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Episode Date: July 26, 2024

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Grava the last program of television in the was the when he passed 15 days of that

I'm told of his fallisimient and the repente starts

the legend that he had falle because the maldition

of Josue Velaske was that he had been because he

had had been his roste because in the last he was he was

he was put to save his alma for the Lucifer Focale

that was the demon that's he was he was there's there was the cobr

and there no there more more remedio and it so so

complemented the maldiction because not so it's quite emos because

the pastor guasso but finally the he did to know

the roste was I was the responsible of the and then

the people started to then the next in the list are you I'm it took a much to work

with Juan Ramon Seins and we we've been to go ahead to doundes and all this and then we

we went and we we're doing the we're there's like for example

in Tasco Guerrero here here's in brugery we we're we're

a pestererer or but feo of car that's but they're not they're not

animals sacrifed They're other things. Ah, they're humans. Yes, they're humans. Saludos and welcome. Amantes of the Unocinole of a new Capituale of MEDEGELMAN,

with Jesus of Nazareth. In this occasion, dear followers, we're going to be a person specialist in some of those things that you're just they're just in a

old school. In this occasion, we're with Cesar Good Rostro. How is this, my name? Hello, NASA. Very good.

Thanks for the invitation. I hope that they like what what I know the not the not the

not the perspective that one that one that one put you know before that to continue

to clarify a part of details. Yes, about the skepticism. I want to say,

I think no he's, no it's, no is the negation of the phenomenon because the

people think ah, come in the eseptic will negate all, no.

It's the suspension of the question of the evidence to have where we

can't get to where we we've got. That is the realer skepticism and that's what

I just just to not just not much is negationism it's the the buskedom to determine

to what the phenomenon and give the final consequences unfortunately for many those who

if we do we we're going to the last the last of the thing that is what is

what is what has been beneficial in many occasions in the the business

such such as things have to have to have to have to have to

have to you can solapar something a through the creencia. So,

and not it's, not for there. So, I'm so I'm so I'm like,

they're also, you know, that's not that's not that's not the thing, but

that's important, the ration, the racosinio in this type of of things, that seems that it's

that it's that's that's, yeah, and, yeah, and, yeah,

I'm, I'd you, you're I'd, I'd, I'd, I'm, the whole school

also. So, it's completely certain. If there's a difference between you and us also we

just we're just we're just in the history. So, and that not is, and that not, because are interiors fantastic. I've got

written, of puras, and of all these things, that me fascin them, but, not all

all this, is, is a very, and at a very more, it's still more,

this, more revelator, more cruel, that's, that's not. So, I'm going to

get to be able to get a lot of some people, but we're going to those investigations you put in the pen-in-the-punned

because there things more real and more more dangerous of all this. I mean, it took to work with

Juan Ramon-Sainz. Yes. And we went to a house enrujada, to do- all this,

no, then, well, we've been, we're going, and we we're doing, and we're there

were in Tasko-Grrero. Here's in Brugeria us saying, if we got a

pesterer, so, but feo no, of the carme that's decompson.

Ah, okay. But no, not they're animals sacrificed. No, man, we're not

we're not other things. Ah, they were humans? Yes, they're

humans. And not they're to sacrifice so, so so that so,

so you know, there's, there no there no there no negotiations with ballazos

or So, yeah, I understand that many companions, so, so, they're in things like, no, with cases enbrujad,

but when you talk really to go to a place where more than the enduhugated, is packed to another thing, because there's

the people, not you know, so, not to be to let's get with, with the evidence,

or nothing more with that you have seen, or you've done, photos. Sure. Yeah,

that, that, And I want to ask you a question before to start. I think your response will be quite interesting

for all. The world supernatural is more real than the world natural. You think is so? Or you have

another perspective? I think it's an oxymoron this. I mean, it's a contradiction. Because me is

asking if the number, the world is more real, then the word, the same

is real. It's supernatural. So, so it's disqualifices a simoron

is a like when said, view an obnirical a object unidentified

real, so it means, you know, you know, you know, and I explained,

and this is this time, all about there, see, and you start you

and you start you, and the phantasm is a subjective of a event.

Well, I so so, I'm so I'm describe, because, because

I'm because I'm here I'm can't, see you hear

and if I'm if I want let's I'm I'm

I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm can't I'm perceive see you

yeah no there there and it and it's in

a but you want you say here here well there

or you know or you see the spectrum that's there's much people

just I said that also it's a many people it's a person who

a old old in the paladar so also also there in the psychphonies also there

people who listen and why not to say again those times that they say or affirm

that they they're they're they're they're so we're that's so is a perception

phantasmogorica a phantasmagos because not is perceived with various of the sense,

more than one, maximum two. This is more interesting then, not, because not there's only only a

type of phantasmas but we're there's we're going to we're going to the video, no? Oh, we're

to show them to show them. But no. So, imagine to go to a house embojada and that in

the place, because not you're to be able the, those, the gendos solores that

there, so, the truth is that you kept, the You can't very short in Inquant to investigation. Much of my

companions say, oh, we're going to investigate, we're going to a camera, yeah, no. In the old school, when

we've been we've got to have done, we'd have done, we'd have more things to make a brucula to see

there's a field electromagnetic that affectar. Because, I don't know if they're not so these camps

affect them even the mind of the human. So, so, so we're we've got

to discard many things. Oh, I think that just go like a carotter

and look there a phantasm or no no, I mean there there

was a certain of the other the only investigator that

has done a book of investigation real that

is Fernando J. Teyes of Guadalajas and know

he's known he's known he's he's been in ex

normal in various capitol is a tipas a

writer and all this. Lastime that his legado not has been more legoes, has continued, and over the other, you know, to actualize because he's to be able to images, cameras of photographia, of negative and, gravations in acetates, well, in

minil and all this, the scinta magnetic. So, I think of the big school. Yes, of the big school. Today, uh, a lot of course it's more easy, because you know, your radionica, how's is the name? Yes.

The, the, that's the world embochated. Exactly. The fact not really, simply you do

a little a little bit selective, those that you just are, oh, so it's me functioned.

When it's true, to find a place you have to have been visited a bit of

the mind selective. Well, but continue for favor, I'm

just getting to the response. Yeah I said I was that I'm going to

ask a different that you the things that you have written have been information

is quite interesting very, very very fertes and I think are things that the people should be able to mention what are

the titles but I said you say that you're saying in one of these about the Virgin of Guadalupe

that was a very years, I'm super fan, me consider Guadlupan I'm

no, I know if you know the independence of Mexico took a paper, the Virgin of Guadalupe, had a paper

importantism in the declaration of independence and all that, from the from the image

of the Virgin of Guadalupe then Moralos that was super Guadalupano he said that when he was to go to

he was going to go to let's a let's get a basitio the borgito there I'm I'm here

me I'm want to come more, more, um, erues or more figures, between them, the first president of Mexico, how's it, he called? Guadalupe Victoria. Yes.

In honor to her, because he was called, Felix, no, I know, so, like, like, like, like, so, like, like, like, is, like, was the name, artistic. Yeah. But the, the, well, for me, the real,

the real independentia, was Augustine de Turbide, that, well, all, he, all, he did the name of the Virgin of Guadalupe, and there we can't see, many,

many, uh, references, during the independence, the book, apart, I have a chapter complete of this, because I think it was worth, but basically it was also recopilar

evidences of the miracles or of what the people think that had been been a miracle or an visitment of the virgin. Because, we know that in other places like Medugori

and others in Europe, well, they're still saying that still even, but the important was the virgin of Guadalupe. I mean, I'm centro about the Virgin of Guadalupe.

So, I found an evidence that me he left perplex because in a restaurant of Polanco

where they were lavando the chas the water form, these figures

that are these called fractals that are figures like like

but this fractal had I don't so the salitas of the

angelito that is there was a particular this apparition because

has have appeared many I know I'm I

have been in in space in spejo, so, and over all

where there's water, no? Yeah. And they say, ah, is that the Virgin of Guadalupe

and we're not going. And is that the people of Mexico is very, very, very,

very, very, very, that's, so, but, there's a other, the

jeffat all, my respect, always will be a place, in my heart,

although I know, I don't create much in the sacred, but in it was a

figure that took a under the indepenance, no so I if Cortez The who has

the He has the He has So, imagine that one, oh,

the same Virgencita that I'm to make the was the was the thing is a little

paradoxical is? Yeah, sure. Fiatate that we part of the reason,

of the conquest, there was some cratism with some of some deuses

that we we're we're in those times. So, and is the

situation so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

it's was the thing, the Virgin of Guadalupe? Yes, it's a technique that

has been used for many years the syncretism and it's also in the santa in the santa

in the santa in the santa here what they're in the seros where she adored to the

virgin of the goddess Kuatluikwe there they do they make the synchetism they're

they're and then the Indians still still think they're they're to do

that's another presentation I'd like to something because the Virgin of Guadalupe if they accepted

because I have put other virgins, the Virgin of Carmel various virgins there were there's there's always

there's there's a there's some detail or various of the other than one is that one is that

not you don't know the child you know a girl she's a characteristic because she characteris

because it has a characterised and this no and then then he and then

there's a one of a series of and when I'm I'm involved more in what is in the Mexicanity, the Mexicanity and all of that, me explicate when we when we're a Kuatliqu, that is a godlico, that is a

god for us, for our perspective, is like a monstrosa with garas of, of, the, of, the, of, all these things, the calaveras in the falda, but they're, they're a significate, and when he gets to the Virgin of Guadalupe, with a vestido, this, different, and a a little, with the look at the hand,

all the all of the all of the thing, all the then I'm then what's what you're

what you think you're that's that's the virgin, is that's like, so how?

Yeah, so I'm a mean, me made that he made you got me, I mean,

he's right, so, he's, they're they're they're because they said, we

know, our people, finally or finally, also, they're a culture, a culture,

a culture, to learn, to be more there, no? Yeah. To not get to

the evident. So, so are things that are fascinated and that I found in the book of the

Virgin of Guadalupe, more than that is true, or if it's a kind of

of things. Dentro of your investigation, there something that you have found

that in the actuality that's saying that is true about the

Virgin of Guadalupe but that you know that you know? Oh, there.

There, there was a publication in the years 80 of a of a

realist no no not was I'm remember of where I'm know the the same

curator or the who will to repair the pictures what's they're well

so are some some those specialists the specialists the

the doctor sol she called yeah he he he was

he he was he he was contracted by the church and that they said,

you know, well, we're to repair it, because it's, he passed this, and so he had the obligation to revivir a little. That's normal.

So, it's normal. So, he explained how had been made made. I mean, the time of Cabrera,

in the century 16, 17, he had made an analysis of how had been made to be made the picture.

So, what were their components? So, so, there was a an antecedent. And I

what I want to get is that it's supposed that in the eyes of the Virgin can see the people that there were. Even there are who are people who are in a mulata. It could be, there are many possibilities.

But this occurs when when this Juan Diego, go and does the first miracle that says to, uh, uh, uh, this, Frank Juan,

what, I don't know, he was like, he was a citadel, no, but it was, Umarragha. Yeah. Sumaraga, when he put the, this, he's, what's called, his, how's it, it appears in these, then there's just as far as,

so it's supposed that in that moment, she plasma, plasma the situation in the eyes, and for that's what kind of something that's very difficult to create, given that finally, never existed that encounter. Frank, this, Sumerragha, never was encountered with Juan Diego,

no, there's no, no, any evidence that has succeeded the same Summraga that explained and all the days, practically envied all his reports to

Spain, no mention in any moment, a Juan Diego much less in a miracle.

There's there's a part where he himself says, why in these times

modernes is more difficult when before it was the war or occurial

these things, now now not. So if if it had occurred a miracle,

the miracle of the the miracle of the religion of he, he would he

said, and it so are so the things are they're,

it's going to down the case of the Virgin of Guadalupe but it's a thing that one's going to be

the limit, so it's the, the way, the law, the thing is, you know, to do the

thing you know, I'm interviewed with the, I'm, I'm, I'm, the father, Jose,

that's, the father Gomita, that's in all the programs of television. Ah,

yes, yeah, and he said, and me send me a call me, a correo, and I'm,

but here we're, I'm, so, and he was very a friend of Juan Ramon Seine I'm like I'm and I'm like I'm sorry

no I don't have time I said oh it's that I don't bring camera right for that's no me not me he's not not he said well

I'm going to I'm going to be to find my part and is when I'm a part different of the investigation of the Virgin of Godap

thanks to the father Jose that thanks to him I'm could look another perspective of other another way of

investigation in the which I did the I'm in the whole I'm going to the image of the

Virgin of Guadalupe not was like a parision so where Juan Diego had the rosas and

then it was a polar no no no no no well the the same picture

functioned as a piece today has been to be under certain

conditions and what you see when you go when you is that not a

personality a replica no more sure is you're The other is a very good resguard. I don't know if you know

you know, you know, that's suffered various, uh, atentados. Yes, yes, yeah. One was, uh, that, that they put them and still are there the crucifixos in the in the, in the

basilica are the crucifixed and they're of bronze. But they're, curiously, no, no, to the painting, no, to the no, to the, no, it was,

exploded, so, They were They've So, it's So, it's So, it's So, it's That's

Well, it's not It's not It's It's quite And it's And the Vydria

For the expansion Sonica. So, for the Expansion to have done to have done to a

a little to a part of Right, has a mancha, also he did you

want to make this acid So, so it's been victim of

between those things and that they have changed and they've changed because

oh, we're going to the same you're going to the reference official to the canonical and the

Nipanmopoga which is the book canonical that's the book how it he said

it's a one of the current and see the actual no has the no has the

that's that's they disappeared and even there even a some a sermon

of Monterey where it explains the the the

father and not only it's a picture that's a picture that's

painted by the Indian Marcos and what's that's, that's, yeah, yeah,

it's called Marcos and Pac Marksipa Pinta the Virgin and well now they're going to

go out of those defensors and I'm saying and what other other other thing

that's the only that's the only that's now so now now.

No, in in here in here some in Puebla there

because he radicable and was the commissioning to paint the... Ah, then it's more

paintures. Yeah, it's more more fresh more, this, more things, more material.

I think that's, analyzing the type of painting, also you can be a count that

that's not? Yes, because, the other the other to the picture that to the

type of infrared-roh and it's there's that there other caps of other things,

even so even so it even you know the firm of them. But obviously you're

not they're not to be not No, no, nor, neither the, you know, this,

yeah, this, yeah, it's other, the, the, but a me he has, he,

has, a, a, a, so, is a world, is what

to me to me this, this, this, this, this, this,

that, that, not, it's been, but, finally, is an entity,

that's, or something, in this case, like, the thing, the,

and then, and, And, I mean, they'll use the Virginita like to not till they're in their house. Because you're a niche of the virginita, where they're, where they're going to do. Yeah, clearly. Very respected.

I think I don't want to mention that, but it's true. It's really. Yes, yeah. They put it like, even, it's pretty much to the memes, where they put things so,

quite, too, they put in an image religious, and you know, and you know, you know, all you can, how can be, the things, no. And is that,

the religion is also a question of fear. Yeah. So, I mean, but how, we're going to do? The, how's it? How do we're going to? And if no? Ah, well, but for that you have to be able to get to the

inferno. So, I mean, to be, let, see, I mean, I'm going to be, I mean, I'm directly to the inferred, but I don't know me consider a bad person. No, he'll say, God, too. Ah, well, is that you're not able to or not robast, no, you know, you're

With this, I mean the values that you have to do not to be able to be. Exactly. I've been quite critical in that type of situations where... And you know, you know, me, I mean, you know, this thing of the good, the mal, and all of that. And that if really, there's,

there's people very mal, very mal, that no has made, you'd imaginearious that a pharaoh could have power omnipotent over all the people, no? I'd say, to this, to, this, to getal the life. To this, this, this,

this, this, this chachsa, to me. You know, you imagine that so you could be a pharaoh. In the book of the Murtos relata that the Murto

will have to a process to crosser a species of a mass that has to see, with other monsters

other creatures of there of the inframund and at final, it will be his his

a vassable and has that that's a balanceed that is that is being

that this doesn't even even the to have, or, yes, to have a ethical,

a moral to be good with the deities. I mean, a good sour to think that

finally the person human always has been used homogenizingizing the bien, no? That is the

good. So, are things quite important, interesting, and that they're to be

to talk to my point of my point to be to say, let's let me

accept Samudio, because I'm saying, Oh, you have You've seen That's written

Have you Have you Have you I've seen a Forcune To interview Even J.J. Vinites

With your I'm That's good? That's That's about The people That's Passed

The Umbral And that They had Manacac To Yeah A Salvador Frisedo

Salvador Frisado To do A Institution In the Tem of the

Omis Don Don Peter Ferris So in this time I guess I said the investigations

of the camp and the people that me see oh it's that no you're not you're not just

not just you're and more with the pandemic but now now now now that now it's

going to have to some some of things but yeah and in Canada infinite

you can't be able so from and then investigating and then and a and a

the people that then then the people who then you know just that you're

just I mean, that's that's merited the investigation. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's

no, it's no, it but, yeah, it's the, yeah, and the one, uh, reference, a pause,

Canal Infinite for the Chavisa was a channel was a channel important, before the podcast, before all the

channels of terror, before all the things of the mystery, channel infinite was a reference,

it was a reference, a reference a question, yeah, uh, we're, uh,

to Mexico, revistas, year zero and those, that's, that's, but when you know

in the infinites from, I'm in a lot, to do you get a all the

fauna paranormal and the and the ovnis. Fortunately, for me me has

been involved in the two in the two times, then I have been

been been a pretty very, and since the first I started

to have a prestige that despontable because being objective not so

easy. The fact is that get to a lot of a realtor omni, commenting

things that evidently not have been existed, that not were possible and then I was

I was about I was a perspective I'd think that I'm done to depository

of an idiom exaterrestre before before Macke Woffer I'm

talking I'm about 25 years I yeah I had a

another interrestre that could confirm with other contact

Because you say, well, to be more faith, talk with another that's the That's the That's not, that's

it's, or that's communicate with you do that, no, I know, never, no,

he's, the other man who said, he's about the people, can't be, there's,

this is, this is the young, Bracamottes, I think she's, she's, because she was

when I had been when I'm when I'm she, she, she, she,

I went, another, that, the same the same , the same, the same, they're the same.

So, so they're like the words. All the syntaxis, all that's all the syntaxis, all that's

invental in that instant. And if you say let's say, let's say, no, no, no.

So, I can't, so, I can't say, to you, and you can't do you

and youka and you're to putr me that's, you know, do me it. Pidemel, Hed.

No, you know. You think, you know, you can't, you? No, If you, you did not get me,

Gilae yucasurupadraca, Zapasigames, Tarfano, see, why? Because this is a phrase that I have taken. And it's a

phrase, Dichia, all revest, if you pass as a reverse, will say a phrase.

This is a phrase for any part of anyita. It's what I said, all the reverse. But I

have I'm done this. And I can I'm able and I can't repeat. I mean, I always

I think for those that you say, for those that you I would you could say charlatan, not start a, a good altitude? I mean, I said of

all, I know how they're in their, umnis, see, how do you know, what they're what they say. The books that are very important the, the,

the, the, to do you want to be doing the things. So, so, between what

I think, the investigation of camp, and the investigation of, the, of the

important, and you're going to the eyes. Yes, and the antecedent. So, so

the, the other than the language of the world I'm not so I'm a superiors

or let's I'm matter the question. Just just to mention it for that you

investigate. Now, let, go, the the other, the

other they're they're in the planet core and is it's

all the story, so, so, so, so, so, it's

deposition, in you can see you, of your public, has this reference, well, we'll know we'll encounter other person that's the

word, it's not good to investigate it. Very, very good to investigate it. When you went to Canal Infinite,

what was the work? They were to be able to do things, what was, what was the labor?

The labor was, illustra, to an event that had occurred, so, so,

there had events that had occurred, it's very difficult to to find an event that that's

that's that they're that they're saying, oh yeah, here's a planation or it's appearing it's very difficult.

So, what we were to retomar evidences or how they'd some people, from the north of the

Republic, to, let's, let's shmen, which are the chamanes of Yucatan, the Mayas.

Yes. copilars from the center where they're in this case

there's one of the one of the legends apaches that I'm

to talk and I know to comment them because a past

that well it's a little a entity very a good

I'm I really because the experience that I'm was

very very very tetric because if me took

to live something in that in this moment result

that well, a great rassos, it's a that the guide, not could get to get to

a cemetery apache, because he was Raramuri. In what area? Ah, the area of Chihuahua.

In the area of Chihuahua, this is the same the time of the other story also very very very

very true, because they in Termin, Venito Juarez for, for disalouououca for the area,

the Indian that's the Indian, so it's a story very fair. me they say I have to

go to barrancas of cobray that are many scabroos and get to an osario

apache there in the osario then the I was I was you know is that I can

why? Why? Because this because if I'm the apaches Spite's

Apaches if they're coming with my spirit Rarramuri so that's all that

I could do you have to to leave solo. So, I came solo and I made some specifications. Recurred that, well, it could appear the Wendigo. The Wendigo appears after that there's a brisita and

a joviznita. And I, always go over here, no? Sure. But, but, but, also, he via for the, for the cups of the arboles, in form of the viento, so, yeah,

oh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it It's like with the jorna. If you're your name, if you listen it's a little, if you listen to

hear your do you, look at least, look, well, and then I've got to go to

go to just, without, um, with, um, with, um,

the, the, um, the, they had to get to get to get a

place, and I, because, car car, a camera grandota and all, but,

but, but yeah, no, no, no, no, didn't, no,

no, final. So, then I went to to look at the Osario, Apache, and he started to get a year. And, and then, even is my book. A-huh. A-case-it-

in the middle of the nada, a-a- a little, you know, you said, well, you said, this quake-quered to go. Sure. Yes, and so. And so sent him to go to end up to end uphirties'n.

Aisoled of all. And, and nothing. And, you know, well, for interviewer, or, well, could be interesting. And, result, that it's a jubistnita.

That jubinita that said that precede the wendigo. And I, well, how will be the wendigo? No, right not. And then, uh,

the repent the wind and it begins. And it's a time. And it's not you can't get more than the 5 of the time because

and this is to do with the paranormal. But it's like to do something that can't you can't. I mean, the temperature

the temperature a temperature a temperature back. And then I was, I mean, I'm regress or what I

do you and it's and I'm and I'm my name but I'm Cesar Cesar

and I'm I'm saying is certain the legend or so how you're going to see that's here

so Cesar and I go to other side better but I'm but I'm but I

think I'm because because I don't want to mocharm and in

that moment it occurred something something something that's a

really and it's a wind he's a little a woman but with querns

of the chibbo no, of venado and apart you you're a heart

and he he's he'll he'll be a wendigo a person like zombie

like he so you're so you don't how you're not how it so it's

not there's a no there's a there's a a legend no and so

it's was no Cesar, saquins, no? That's, it's, it's the wind, no? And, of and then,

I feel one, one, a man, gooseouss at the the head. Ching! Oh, man. So,

a, so, you know, the gusas, I said, like, I said, when,

you're going to these things, it's all, and you start, you know, to get a, to the, even,

until the, you know, so, so, so, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, And I said, no, well, I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to count to three

and I'm going to take the brazo and I'm going to do it. It's an esketeo the most secure is that it's arm. And I was I'm sitting here these stas.

And, but very interradas. I sent them the fingers, not of the deados desencarned. One,

two, and whewla that I'm, that I'm, that was a man, that was a man that was

that had had been in the head Ramona. But the but the of Cesar,

the grito, and that's they're doing those of the production because yeah they had been

too. But how the mind and it's to arm everything and the fear.

It's that you had the history in the head. So, so I don't know

that's I've done that I sure, but well, I'm maybe you let's

I'm but maybe one when is more creient, and he's one more

extreme. Sure, because, you know, and if you see, and it's it's a

thing, it's a man, like a man, I mean, I was not, I'm

got it by the hand-to- I'm, and then then then I like to comment this

because, it's one of the last I think, it's exemplific how we we can't

give us for the imagination. Yes, in reality of the Wendigue that was

a one, a a creature mythological of Apache, of

Capach, from the United from Canada. And it's very interesting. I mean, I like. They say, when we're saying, and it's the way, and it's the

and is the way, and it's it's the lastimosamity and you're and you're, you're in that in that zone. Sure,

that you know, it's not, it doesn't, it's no, it doesn't think to think with a reason. Yeah, even in, in

types of legendas Mexicanas, it, they compared with the, with the gawals, and some other

other characters but the Nagual not because the Nagual no, because the Nagual

still to be to get to get a right. Exactly. This yeah

no, this yeah no. Yeah, no, that's that's not anyone

wanted to do you Wendigo. Yeah, that's that legend of Wandigo when you

when you did you did you another other investigation so like of

many presionants impressive um no so, were like 300

not all they had Exactly, but, but, yes, there's where in Balan

Kanchet, uh, uh, no is, this, this, Ebalam, we were

some angels Mayas. In Yucatan? In Yucatan. In Vajad, nearer, where it passed right the train

Maya, in that city, it's a beautiful, there's a, as a other thing, there's a

case castigated, because there committed some crimines. So the church, the place

to be to be to the like all this way to this way to another

other that castigated the church castigated all the church is castigated

but because there there was a crime there there were a manned

there there where is the one to displeasing where is where

there where are there so you say oh so there's no

there no there no there no there are

cultures different different these this yeah I I had talked to my

friend, Luke Ramirez-Reyes that also I've been the honor of to work with him. Luis Ramirez-Reyes not you

don't you sound much because not was so much. But if you do you know what he's what he did he's other thing.

He, he, and he, he formed those, um, these, um, maratonical

programs of ovnis and phantasmas. Yeah. It was for for initiative of the Liu Ramirez

Reyes, he's, oh, yeah, we're going to do this, and no, and until he was

because the Ramirez Reyes, also was a periodist. So, thanks to him, is there. And was also director of the SIFAC, one of the centers most important

of investigations of the Ombis. As I don't know, not many have to know. So, in Valladolid, me

I was to find those angels of no, impressive because if you see the figures of stucco with

humanoides, with alas. Oh, so, so, in this So, in that moment, I was this, Ayanna Tapia is

an angelologist. No, well, Parianna's like, like, so, like, superfacta. Ateufat. And, well, there's many

doubts, because even in the Bible, the first descriptions of Los Angeles are very different, very ambiguous, with many, with many,

with many eyes, but, well, I think we all right, I think we that allsees the concept of an angel. Sure.

So, and a archangel, a man, a man, and, and, and, at least in the

version no so Occidental Los Angeles are this how

they're when they're they're androbinos Ah, so so so there

here no here is they're that they have they're encumbrated in the

in the temple of Ulki Caleto that's the that was there was a

temple that you yeah not used the entrance ma' and

it because in a species like of a trembleor he's he's goth tantito

and set and it's so there in the region Maya there are many many pyramids

enterradas that still have that I could discover and I would have expected that I

would be that with the Trimaya they could be but I think with

the prises no so can do do you do with the people

that no with the consign yeah because here so in Mexico

in Mexico in the metro discovered many things. Ah, I was

so fascinated of the museum of anthropology. In the museum of there's a little

Ah, yeah, and it's excellent. For if in the city of Mexico,

be it. Then Los Angeles there were at the entry of the infamundo

Maya because it's a ocic of jaguar that's the representative of the

world and there there was that was a pass for you you, you can

you can't pass. Figures of stuco that are very

delicate not they're not they can move but finally

they're a species of angels of mayas so in my books

and the programs can be those are great these

these these really really are angels but but

here the response is simple if you think

if you think that the angels exist and all

and that are part of the day for are

they are are they are so for an anthropologist simply are anthropomorphs

with, with, um, with, um, like what occurred also in, in the first

civilizations, caldeas and all that's, how it's called? Yeah, in Mesopotamia. Yeah. Also,

there are not a lot of angels. Exactly. And are first, still, that,

that's, that's other than, that any, yeah, even, I don't see it's,

well, well, in the, well, in the, the same, but I, that in

some quas there's some some some some some of

some many of but of the seres marinos very similar to the sirenas

in where? I don't I don't think it of the Mediterranean no

saying don't know saying about because if you refer you refer to the

zone of the silence there many many many molus

and many pieces of the part of the part of

Tettis even Cxt pass, ah, pincest, he's this. Trey a mollusco, yeah fossilized, but in yerro.

In yerro. And it's a genial, his mollusco. A me me let's do and all the thing, me he'll be

a good rato. This is this pass, I mean, I mean, I. I don't believe in their contacto, but me

fascinant his stories. And me he's done, and then you don't get to the zone of the silence,

and you vas camillando by the zone of the silence and you, you're pizant caracoles and all of that.

And, of a sudden, the pictures if they're to be with molluskos and with things marinas, those that are there's very

interesting and you have to try the thing of that if she's not it, it's not it's not

it's really, I think, I'm the sound of the silence, I said even to Samudio.

It's like the meca of the investigator paranormal. So, how? One of the

time in the life you to go to go to to be to see, to be it,

The area. Luis Ramirez, for certain, he said that he, to him, to be able to be

the terrestrial in the zone. It was the zone of the silence. Yes. Another

data interesting is that the zone of the silence came to the antenna,

a quete American that casually there and they decide

to and to do it and they're probably they're

on a time to the time to the rest of the

cohet and apart the of that that's the place. So, what had

interesting for the United in the moment? You're talking of the 168,

64, for there's in the Atene and then we're to tell. So,

we're going to say that there's a possibility that there have rest of something of that

cohette? It's supposed to get them completely because the obligation is to get

his gasura, so your gasura and then then then they

were they've Because they say that have seen have seen that's interesting in the

place. I'm of the things that I'm so I'm in the first man, it was that

was a great-som because the producer he'd love to the program

we're around the because Arianna vegana no I'm not not

so one of the scenes had that that the

things that we had to to to be to be most to be those tortugas are most the tortugas

the sortugas the two different in their carasone those who are not in the zone

and the same the same the acanes ah so something there's something there's

so that are different uh... they're they're like they're like mutan mutan

oh mutan then some some of the flowers not do you know much but

to be that. Apart, for a condition, uh, things extra-for-gely a year of a meteoritos. But you know, to come to here to

come to come, like the, the year's like, the jubia, not? Yeah, yeah, a jubia. But here,

no, here with meteoritos. Like, sections. So, it's, so, it's, like the, it's like,

the, chavis, here, yeah, all the, all the, all the new that, all the things

of the things of the area, is a one a very interesting and special because so cennomones

but i think that into the things that have talked about cesar there's an explanation for this class of phenomena look like

the fact that the fact that the impression of that they've got to have a problem because u. had properties

very interesting the the fact is that the contract that are between these nations that they can care

product well of equipment with things radioactive, have the obligation to get all all the obligation to get a

radioactive. Not we'll let us ago in the years 80 when they they were not done

a hospital, they know they were and they they were they're going to for fierro old or this

machinadiate and no man that they're there didn't edifices radioactivos

to the fech so and then to start those has been a problem really

so it's so it's very important to know that if they were on the earth not was because

there was a radioactivity Yeah and it's this is this it's a situation

that I had more or less a notion of what it because also it's the

vehicles that presumably they were they're that they're they're they're

they're to be but I think there there a question of perspective and

there's there many there are many magic they're there's

there's a one in Colima also in the area of the area there's a other than the fact that's

fantastic because the perspective that you have to your eye in a knowledge an this is empiricism

where where you where you can you know the things exactly you know the it's got

to be to the way to the way that's so so if if you're

using this is the empirism the observation not more subjective of the

things. And what you think of the investigations where people were and

put this polvo in the vehicles and that was in the hands of the entities that's

where you go. The case of the manitas that are in the coffres

is very simple. It's basically like a trick of salon. The question

is that you first you're to mix two things or the phenomenon of the

car that's go can't just and the phenomenon well not the

phenomenon but the situation of our hands are much much great a lot well

they're so they do it because fiftate it's the order in that's

the first they're they're they they're that they're

that's that's to be to be put a manita I think you

about the the kids of the the people that were that

was that's that put in talco and there appear in the hands, no? If you'd have put the talco before to

do that effect will do the same because are the things that we're managing with the hand on the cajuela over all.

Or I know I imagine that who no has done more this, more of show obviously

he put to his manotas there. So, so it did with all the bad intention

that that I'd like ask you a question. You said that in

a moment you get to collaborate with Juan Ramon Seins. So, I'm,

I'm think that in some moment you get to be very involved with some of those cases,

at the contact with some situations that have to be with the paranormal. Let me

clarify you some for the public understand for the public understand why why not,

why not, why not, you know, when Ramon me invited much to

the cabin so like we're like we're, and as you and as these people here at a other people who

nobody's so I'm like to talk to me and I know what I'm what I'm yeah, that we're talking

and thence about so I'm a question, sir, and you're what you see the first of the phantasm

and he he said, no, and then I'm here here here and then then the other and then the other

question about and you you're not you're no no, the really is that is that

it's very very dangerous and so has had a The senior was genial. I'd like to be.

I said, I said, I said, a day that's a key to a button, because you need to press the

button for the, for the, to open or to make it, the microphone, no, I said, a day that's never he

passed, never he passed. So, I'm so, I'm just questions technical.

I, I, I was a video, no could do you, not could be not we could take the

the cases of the radio, because the the cases of the radio, they're in the radio. So I

never me involuced with the cases of the radio but this case in particular was just after, well, it was what what was what happened, of his falleimient, and for what he passed, no? I had a program of television with the

Dr. Avel-Cruz, the Lord of Topar, no? Dr. Avel-Cruz, and he had a channel of television, I produced a program and one day he said, Juan Ramon, oh, Juan, go to my program, for that you plattiques, vent to the, the that is a grab-ed and not in-vibu. No, when you want to, you say,

you know, I don't have a job. So, how? No, says, you know, I said that I'm, that I'm, to, to give the

in, in, this, in the radio. And, if, no, don't worry, no,

doesn't, he, he, he, so, so, so he, so,

he's, but he's, well, when, when no, when you don't get, you know,

you know, he's, he's, he's, but, always, you're, that,

the on the on the other the people know like that's very serious but I'm

my my friend, but I'm like I'm a person normal. They're normal.

Normal. That's normal. He'sha his cotorreo and all the old. I'm saying, I'm saying,

I'm coming, grab the ultimate program of television in the that's all the same

so it was so he Juan Ramon then after the program well, he's despise of me

we, we're to do another defusory, when they pass them 15 days of that I'm

told the death of the death of his no, man. It was a good

very hard for me because it was my my my my many years

to work. Right, right, you're now have for 14 years

that you have died. His baby had like six. So,

now had to be maybe almost 20. So, this, for me

was very very lamentable and I think that also the only the only

voice that was more reasonable this thing, yeah. He was a

leader of opinion, but serious. How we're not those we've got with other

charlatansito for a no, that he never invited to the program because he said,

this no this no but you know, but you're my friends, no, because they're being farcantes,

he's not. He had the power. The case is that fall yes, I'm so I'm enter and

the repent and then it starts the legend of that he had fallen

because the maldiction of Josu Velazquez he had extended to him. That Joseph Velasquez he was he was sent back to save

his soul. For Cali, that was the demon that he was he had been he was

there was the cobr. And then there was more remedy and he went. So,

so, he complemented the maldition because not he is a very much because

the pastor Guasso that also that also falle and then there's an

accident that suffered one of the conductors the car photograph. It's the what happens is that

they're like they're like they're like it but I'm the same event. But well, it's there's more

this, of this person. And Josue was had been made and Josue he had no idea.

Nobody knew the rosso of Josue Velasks who had been. Why not had the last program, where

I took the opportunity, no it was so. In that then I dedicated to a, well, like all the

world, but I'm also made a doubt. And in those days, Dros, I think nobody know,

I'm going to know, no, no, that's, they know, part of the big school and the

new. Yeah, I think so, so, Dross has, arm a

program special of the maldation of Josques. So, I put in contact with

Dr. I'm and if and if I'm going to Josue and his rostro

that's quite a not quite because at not not because of not people to know

the people said that that's not that's no it that's but

I'm most I most the case is that the case is to the dros

is he's arm and and the program so the the encounter

so in the program of so so those those

were the those those those were the I those put in contact

and that he's arm one's a favor, others in contra and all this but finally

the he gave to know the rostro was I'm more than the responsible of this had been I

had been so and then the people said then the next in the list of you

and it's yeah there's many years and then it's been no no has passed

nothing there's there people there are people who and I live a Jose with much respect. I'm, I'm a friend,

I want, like, who wants to be a friend, but also I can't think in him because I'm, no, because I'm my friend,

because I'm to think I'm in his role, no? I've got many people in this media that not, that we don't

we don't make enemies to death, as much people think. So, then you think the

question of the pacto that is that is real? Let me about the pacto, Lucifer Gorphocale,

that is a demonio that commands various legions, and that has a power very great and supernatural, supposedly. From there, from the theme of that,

no see, if he was taken exactly, if he's the clavicle of the Red Salomon, which is a book that I've been edited.

I know a that's a little quite, and almost, it's, I'm, because I did it for

the editorial where I'm of the job and then I've done into many things of that for that

if you resolve a in the hypothetical case and this is to talk about I've

discussed with Orgen in the hypothetical case that a demonio could

be to be a so so if you will be to be to be to be

you're not you have better to come to see to do you have been we

about we we're That's, that's they're in a bottle and that's 72 demonies.

How are? How many are you? How do you do you at the same demon at the same time?

To who he's not to be a lot of that's what me refer to, so I'm so I'm

always seen that there's many possibilities of that if were a certain, that he

had made that he has done in one, in other, the truth, being honest, I

know, the state of Juan Ramon, his state physical, he had a infirmative, if he had a mal, physically he had a

heart of the time he was to end up in this and we're that also not only not only was

that was too, he was deprimed. Deprimed. When you you deprimed, when you

deprimed, the thing that when it's a moment in the past the pastor waso, then the

people arm his theories, something that if you ask, and it has passed many times, if you're you're going to

to say, Jose, he never says or affirm, categorically, is a, or like,

the sign of something, but no, it's, not, not firming categorically. Because,

there's another detail. If it were a certain that if it would be confirmed that he committed

two, not one, but, not a little. So, that's very delicate. There's a

aspect precisely in the of the desvivations. It's that so it's very delicate. Pardon.

If not it pronounced it well, but with this, the sacrifice of the of the

little bit, is that is that he he's, in his, in his, how's it in your

relato, that had desvived to the abelite, because not you don't you

you know, you know, your oldita? You know, you know that's the life?

When I think finally, uh, did the policeia that were causes natural. Who

you say that this man not the person, you have been my abuelita fell in the because I'm

the devil outent. That's that's this paranoia, this is chisofrene and that begins to

be demons and all this and assume that all what happens in their is part of all

this. So, who has succeeded with Josue. That's all the part that the people say, is that it's that I'm

sure that has been incerra for having desived a woman. He himself he's if there's that there's

that there's saying if there see that of that the, of that the oldie that's,

ah, look, here's a know, I'm going to investigate it and to say,

of what, to say, of what, of what, of what, the did he, because,

he, he said he, when he He got to the police, it's determined that was a murder natural,

but in the relato, he said that he's a and that's he quit he took a part of the

part of the person. So, I'm to see the part of the policeaco, if it's

that exists. I don't want to get me much, I don't want to make much in this

to investigate because finally, he's my friend, I think that's the story,

for me, when Juan Ramon me he said, oh, how do you how do you is the case of cesas neftalitos and you

think in those things no well well yes the people say that's well I know no no no I've analyzed also with the people because for me no they can't be

not and well I just I'll tell the people why no and in the case of Josue des of the books if really

he really put Salomon the book was written after the life of Salomon no could have been decided

for him he's done by him the the book about the presidents, reels, dukes and

all that cargos that no exist when he he lived he there's there are

there's there various things that not going with this no

I mean if someone want to talk to me of that but

are things I consider that confirm that he have

been the he put to Juan Ramon in

so so then conform the conditions were coincidences

were coincidences how occurred in many the misdictions? The maldiction of Tutankhamun, for example. There are,

no, the maldiction of Tutankamon. The maldiction. He was the manned, he was the he was the

he was going to get to be going to be to do you. Even so the explanation of those cases is the

assogue or how they call it? Yes, when the gases of the metals

precious. Well, yes, but he not was present. In that in that

In the case, this, who who had suffered that effect, Lord Cavernor was the who financed the, the tomb, there was the name, he, he,

he was the story, but what you think? Tell the history, that he not was the first in the but was a

little that was a living out of so. So, so he was first a man,

then Howard Carter, and then Howard Carter, and yeah, Howard Carter he's all the glory

with all the treasure of Tutankhammon that's that's that's a very very penos

that's very penos no, that existan. In Mexico the things of these type

are very very, how I tell you but very precise very durs,

the archaeology in Mexico is very so you say what you're so that's

that also the mummies and those are to come to the monsons for

so because here, if you're gonna get yeah, is that not like

to talk of those because I want to talk about I'm but it's true, is that,

look, lamentablely in the case of Vanuanz, fiatte who's who said,

we're, we're coming to get a manned to get a moffarce but that's

was in the second. No, but no manches. I'm I'm I'm

went to where not me didn't me were my of Johanna, of Osla, of this,

Juan, Juan Antonio Emesco, were there. And we don't let us not get to not as

the band. Johanan, he's got to the Rodolfo Garrydo, go to go to

get to the palero one. So, and in us outside, for what? Because,

because, because, no more that we should be questions, this, the, so,

if questions incomododas. Because there many things that had many of the and you, then I was

disconformed for what they presented that's a little bit of and also for how they're in

the government the government Mexican no is a part of it although it was in the camera

the camera of the people has a salon that's that's that you can

you get so you get those 15 years you know you you know you know

you know but not that so much of them many of many of you

universities for that the people create the university that's the university not just the place the

place of the university just there's to have to consider the things because the fact

the fact that you have to do the investigation as we're what we're what they're presenting and

start to to desglos all not credor I'm sure I'm I'm sure I'm also

I'm but lamentable not. Lamentablelyly not we can't in these cases

Well, my I'm I'm a time to come to talk about you know, I'm a

really a lot of a practice super interesting and I'm I'm a last time that we're no,

no, when you do you do you know, if the public also they're like many times prefer

in the menries, no, the menirals that the reales, no, something,

something, something, something, the truth is the truthes and prefer menirals and so

I think if they're going to you're going to pay again. Much more thanks.

Thank you. Thank you. And you your thank you. Thank you. Thank you to this chapter

of the more than the question of the next year of the next chapter of the Marches. Saludos.

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