Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 17: Women and Strength Training

Episode Date: July 31, 2016

This week we take a look at strength training from the female perspective. Special guests Leah Wensmann and Megan Stone break down what it's like as women in the world of strength. We cover training, arm wrestling, injuries, gross stuff dudes do, and the awful fear of getting "bulky". Give this episode a listen, and give us a 5-star rating on iTunes. Then make your way to our Facebook page and make sure you LIKE the page, and SHARE this post.  Sign up for our email newsletter below and we'll keep you in the loop when we drop some new, awesome stuff! Stay Strong, -M One-armed deadlifts. Not much weight, but at least I'm back in the @massenomics gym! A video posted by Leah Wensmann (@lehawensmann) on May 23, 2016 at 6:45pm PDT Does your wife even lift, bro? Here's Megan during our 2nd workout of the day, working on her set of 5 deadlifts at 245lbs.. she had to break it up, but she still moved the weight. . Big time! Getting ready for her first powerlifting meet, she's gonna represent @crossfitrails and team @massenomics Music by Deftones feat. Maynard James Keenan- "Passenger" #crossfit #powerlifting @marksmellybell @mbslingshot #deadlifts #sbd #doyouevenlift #womenwholift #fitmoms #massenomicsgym #massenomics A video posted by Tyler Stone (@tylereffinstone) on May 28, 2016 at 2:12pm PDT

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So today we have special guests, Megan Stone, that's my wife. Hi guys. And on the other side of me is Leah Wentzman. Is that correct? Yes. I pronounced it right and everything. So same as usual, across the table from me is Tanner. Hey, everybody. And Tommy.

What's up? So we're here to talk to these two ladies about being strong ladies, I suppose, and strength training and how gross dudes are and all that stuff. So Leah, you train, well, let's back up a little bit. Currently right now you're rehabbing an injury. Is that correct? Correct. And will you share with us the story of how you got injured? I would love to. Back in February, we went down to Brentford, USA for an arm wrestling tournament. And I was arm wrestling Tanner's wife, Mary, and it was for the championship round. And my humerus twisted and ended up in three pieces. And so I had a rod and two screws and a wire put in. And then just four weeks ago we had the screws removed.

That sounds awful. I did not know the three pieces part. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So was there at some point though, Tanner, after the smoke had cleared,

were you like, honey? Well, I don't want to arm wrestler, but she, she, she makes it clear every time anyone asks that she would have lost, she was losing and would have lost so oh really yeah so uh so you were winning an arm wrestling match yeah and you

just broke yeah the the bone couldn't handle the muscles were good but and uh i i was right there front and center and i usually like blood or nothing ever makes me queasy really but uh i i could tell that that was you know something bad right away and that i had to even stand outside for a minute for and like drink some ice water because i was kind of feeling a little bit sick from it yeah it was it was awful when i think about it even still i definitely get queasy and kind of lightheaded it's like okay different subject so i'm assuming was that like instant pain it was terrible the beers definitely helped with the pain i'm not gonna lie but it was like i felt faint and nauseous and it was i was missed

drama queen for about an hour until we got to the hospital you're probably all right in that circumstance to be missed drama yeah that's a free pass yeah so was that one i don't know that i've ever seen one of those in person one of those like like horrifying like turn away from the tv injury was it like that where things were just not pointing the right direction and everything no you actually couldn't see anything i actually at first thought i just pulled a muscle because nothing was sticking out i remember grabbing my arm and saying okay there's no bone is sticking out i don't feel anything weird i've just pulled a muscle sincerely bad like this is the most excruciating pain I've ever been in. And so as long as I kept my hand on my arm, it was

better, still not okay. But then as soon as we, um, did x-rays at the hospital, they were like, you don't have to be a doctor to know that you broke your arm. So you'll have surgery tomorrow. Yuck. It was awful. yuck it was awful so what was your training like before that well so it's because it's obviously been different for the last few months because of this but what were you doing before that or so before that i was doing i guess i don't know if you want to call it the massonomics program yeah it's kind of the massonomics program because a bunch of us do it but it's really jackal's gym right we just steal it from them. Yeah. So I was following that and I think I had done, I think I was on my third cycle of that. So just Monday, Wednesday, Friday, deadlift, bench,

squat. So, and what were, do you remember what were some of your, uh, cause you were getting kind of stronger and stronger all the time. So right before that happened, what were some of your uh because you were getting kind of stronger and stronger all the time so right before that happened what were some of your numbers do you remember yeah um on bench I was maxing out at about 150 and then squats were right around 235 I think for a set of five and then um deadlifts was 265 five times and how many months had you really been doing that program or kind of lifting like that really only oh gosh when did we start that last summer is that when everybody started it the fall yeah so would it have been a year or more than not even a year since i've been doing that so so but you made some pretty good progress in that year oh yeah definitely like on your squatting and deadlifting it was some yeah shot up pretty dramatically yeah and then even in my

bench too i mean i benched through high school and college but never really knew that bench was actually an exercise that used more than just your arms and so when i finally learned how to do it correctly i mean my max in college was 95 pounds and to see a 55 pound increase, it's like, this is awesome. Like I actually know how to lift now and do it correctly. But even with squats and deadlifts to have those go up as extreme as they did was awesome. I also had back issues through college. So to be able to lift and not be in pain was awesome. It was great. And that, and that 55 pound increase comes as a, like more than half of your total too. You know what I mean? Like that's a really, really high percentage. You know, if I threw 50 pounds on my bench, it's not kind of when you had started with that program or maybe started training this way more, um, more diligently. Um, do you remember what your squat and, and deadlift were like then? I actually had switched from doing, um, the traditional deadlift to sumo. And so having that transition, cause I noticed that I was having a little bit of back issues, but once I switched

over to sumo deadlifts, that was a lot better. Um, and just kind of getting the pull and using more of your legs more than just your back. That was a big difference. Um, squats, I was starting to reach that limit, but it was trying to figure out how can I change my footwork a little bit, or, you know, just little things to try to better that. But I mean, things are increasing and I was very happy with where it was before. Yeah. And I guess it's important to mention too. I mean, you weren't coming from no experience. You're a collegiate level track athlete. And, uh, so it's not like you're going from no working out ever and then making this much progress. I suppose it's just that in your collegiate lifting, they didn't focus that much on just the strength side of it like what you do there now. What did you compete in in track?

I did mostly the two and the four, a little bit of the 100, but mostly that longer sprint distance, I guess. You know my events with your long legs yes yep so now now megan you come from a bit of a different place it's it's weird for me because i'm married to megan so i'm like i'm like well i fucking know the answer to these questions um maybe you just get the ball rolling. I'll get the ball rolling and you guys have to grill her, okay? Megan, you kind of started training really any sort of training seriously through CrossFit, correct? Yes.

Did you start at the same time as Tyler? Was this a team thing? Yes, yeah. Okay, okay. Which one of the two of you got the ball rolling first on that me so did you have to twist tyler's arm into it yeah he was against all of it he was for a while and then which is funny to think now this is your fault that he's like this now well a friend of ours got us him going into it and then he's he's been really

taken off yeah thanks yeah thanks to. Now everybody on Facebook fucking hates me. So, so anyway, so you started in with CrossFit and you've kind of gotten, um, you know, I'd say out of the people at our gym that train there, you've kind of gotten now reputation as one of the stronger ones or better lifter, especially in the, in the, in the, the power lifts. Um, what, what has that progression been like for you when you started? especially in the power lifts. What has that progression been like for you when you started? Do you remember even what your numbers were when you came in?

Oh, boy, they were very, very low. I was not good at any of them. Were you even familiar with any of the lifts? Had you been through the movements? I bet you – have you even ever held a barbell before you went into CrossFit? No. Or it was that, it's been about a year and a half and that's it. That's all.

Yeah. That's awesome. So what, uh, what are some of your numbers? I mean, you could throw it out for any, you know, maybe there's times on a workout that I don't, they're not relevant to me, but some CrossFitters would know. You've done some one rep max stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. That, that's what I wanted to know.

But, and then maybe there's some other CrossFit stuff that you could throw in there too that people can reference but i'm curious most about you know uh deadlifting and squatting or you're clean and jerk and snatch and stuff like that yeah tell us tell us my bench isn't as awesome as these but it's 125 was i think my one max rep one rep max or one rep. And then my deadlift was 275 and back squat was 225. And what about, did you talk about your snatch? Tell us about that. It was only 105. I'd like to get better at that, but that's a, I like powerlifting more than I can with those Olympics.

So after having about a year and a half of CrossFit now, going into it, was there, I mean, did you have an idea of what you were getting into when you were starting the CrossFit thing? No, not at all. Like I thought I was like, ah, I'll be okay at it. I will always finish last and not anymore. I'm like, no, I gotta, I gotta finish. So was there like in the first like month, two months, like in the beginning, was there

one thing that you like doing a lot more than versus now? Or was there one thing that like has your likes or interests as far as kind of the fitness and that side of it changed over time? cardio I'm really bad at it but there's some lifts that I don't really you know like push presses I'm not really I don't like doing those but I can push through those faster than usual so there's some lifts that I can just do and I think probably like between the two of us you're probably actually much better at you know with say squatting and deadlifting much better at working at the top of your output you know know, like, so her doing say, you know, heavy triples, she's a lot more effective at that. Her, you know, she keeps her shit together. You know, whereas I do that thing where I'm barely, I'm just falling apart and on the brink of getting hurt. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pouting. I was like, screw it. I'm just

doing one set and done. So, um done so um yeah she she's definitely better at at that than i am that's for sure do you guys typically do your uh workouts at the same time yeah yeah usually we usually go to the same class we won't partner is it too competitive then or what's the when they do partner workouts there you can you can kind of pick your partner and everything's kind of scalable. So you could really partner with anybody, but I refuse to partner with my wife because I don't need to get – there's some people you just do not need to hear encouragement when you want to throw up and you just want to quit. And the last thing I need is my wife saying, come on, Tyler, you can do it.

And because then while that's well-meaning, it's going to make you mad. All I think is don't fucking tell me what to do. But, uh, but yeah, so that's kind of, uh, I don't know, a little background to what, to what Megan's been doing the last year. Um, and Leah, had you been training to, to compete or had been planning on competing? I had been hoping to compete in the, um, the state powerlifting meet. I was debating about doing this with it this year, but then it didn't end up working out. And actually it was a good thing I didn't because I broke my arm the week before. So, um, it's kind of a bummer because

I won't be ready to do it this next year either, just because I have a full year of recovery, but eventually after that, I still think it would be cool to do some sort of power lifting meet. Now, what does training look like in this, in this meantime for you, um, with, with recovering from the injury, I suppose you have like injury specific rehab stuff you have to do. Oh yeah. Yeah. But have you tried, are you, are you able to do any sort of heavy work now? Um, in a sense I have figured out, um, how to deadlift with one arm using a strap across my back. I can't do it as heavy as before just because straps fall off your shoulders and that's a lot of weight, but I can still get a good workout in with semi heavyweights. Um, bench, obviously I can't, but, um, mostly just working the lower

body, a lot of legs right now. Um, and it's kind of a bummer because I want to do stuff with my left arm, but not have my right arm. So fall so far behind. And so I've just started to now I can use five or 10 pounds weights. And so just doing curls or bench, like we have that earthquake bar and I absolutely love that. That's great for my shoulder and getting it stronger and everything. So starting a little bit with the upper body stuff, but mostly just trying to work the legs right now. And unfortunately some cardio because you have to lose calories.

That's a, that's the thing I always thought with people who, you know, if they, if you have a bad injury to one arm and say it costs you like, like six months on that arm or whatever, like obviously that arm is going to just be a noodle by the time you're done. Right. So what do you do? Do you just only – when you get healthy again, do you just only train that one arm again to bring that back into the – you know, bring that back up to speed or do you – I always wondered how that worked. up the speed or do you, I always wondered how that worked. Yeah. Me right now. Um, I didn't want to do a lot with the left, even though I will you lose the muscle and everything that I had in both arms, but I figured if I can keep them equal and work on them together, I mean, obviously five pounds right now with the left arm is nothing, but still it's like, well, I'm keeping

things toned, which, but it's, it's better than doing nothing. So just kind of working them together and progressing from there so that eventually we can get back to the heavy stuff. Yeah. I would assume like your doc, your, uh, for your doctor, your physical therapist, whoever you work with, it's, you're really doing a lot. I mean, like when I walk into the gym and you know, we've, you've managed to rig something up where you have a strap across your shoulder in order so you can get back to deadlifting. I mean, it shows that you're willing to probably do whatever you can. Right. And they probably like that.

I'm guessing it makes rehab a lot pretty simple when you're in there doing absolutely anything you can. And it's actually, I've, you know, had to be more specific and clear with my therapist as far as, can I start doing this? You know, can I start doing regular deadlifts? And he says, Oh, just the bar. It's like, Oh, I put 45s on the other day. So oops. But so that kind of stuff just, or I'm, weren't you talking, you mentioned something about skull crushers or you said that story one day. Yeah. I, he was having me do one tricep, uh, workout over my head and I wasn't feeling it as much. So he had

me lay down and basically do a skull crusher. And I said that he's like, what did you call it? I said, a skull crusher. I've never heard that called it before. So that's pretty awesome. I'm gonna have to use that. So it's interesting how I, as an athlete, I think he normally, you know, works with less athletic people on a normal basis. So it's cool to see what he can teach me, but then also kind of what I can teach him in the process too. Yeah, it is kind of interesting. If you go into like a, you know, if you go into a PT, a lot of time they're dealing with people who don't do anything and really don't want to do anything. So that's the only exercise they get is when they roll in there.

A friend of mine hurt his back. And when he first, the first, I think it was a physical therapist he went to. And he hurt his back and he was deadlifting. And actually i don't even know if he heard it deadlifting he had just re-aggravated it when he was deadlifting and and the doctor said well how much were you deadlifting he said well like 450 pounds and he's like you're 34 years old you've got no business trying to deadlift that and it's like well one that's not in like that terribly heavy and uh and two like what am i am i just supposed to not be able to deadlift anything like where's the line you know but so he dropped that guy right away but um what about um what about things that you run into down

at the gym now you had been you'd been aiate athlete, so you're kind of probably were fairly familiar with that atmosphere, I suppose, right? When you say the atmosphere, you're talking about being surrounded by like 30 guys. I think so. Yeah. Yelling, grunty, stinky. Yeah. So that's, that's an interesting thing. So you did decide that you did like the heavy training, correct? And what brings you towards that or what made you end up into massonomics where you end up with a bunch of stinky, yelly, sweaty dudes as opposed to a gym with air conditioning and more space? you know, air conditioning and more space. Well, a lot of it goes for, uh, my boyfriend, Ryan, who was one of the main guys that wanted to start it up. He, before I moved back to town, as I used to live in Sioux Falls, he was into lifting a lot and I knew I wanted to get back into working out. And I really liked the idea. I always liked the way that my legs looked,

but I wanted my arms to get bigger, to be more proportionate. So it was like, okay, well I'll start lifting. And I did a little bit more cardio at the time. And then when this whole idea of massonomics came around, it was like, oh, this sounds pretty awesome. Yeah. I'm going to be the only girl, but these guys are my friends too. I mean, I see them in the gym every day. If I need a spot, they'll be there. Like they're there to cheer you on. And so, and it's kind of nice to have a lot of drama, girly girls running around sometimes. So it's nice to just be with the guys. And when everyone's doing this, I mean, they have so much knowledge that they can give too so it's definitely a very different atmosphere but I honestly couldn't imagine going and working out anywhere else. What would you say

you know our our new gym that we've had now it's a little it's toned down that atmosphere I'd say from what the original one was like the original one being extremely dirty and about as grungy as a gym could get. What were some of your first opinions or things the first couple times you went there? What did you think about that? To the first one? Yeah. It was definitely a shocker at first. I was like, okay, I guess this is what we're going to do. So we'll go all in. But honestly, once you got there and you got going, I was like, this is,

it's like that garage gym feel. And it was, I mean, very different, but it was just like the small, the amount of guys that can be in there at one time, you have to talk to everybody, you know, otherwise it's super awkward. So it just, I don't know it at first it was took some getting used to, but then once we got there, I was like, okay, this is pretty great. This is awesome. Did you ever try to bring any other females down to that original gym to try to work out? Um, well, I brought my mom down once, but that was just to look at it. I don't think she wanted to work out. But she probably wanted to have a talk with you about life choices up to that point exactly what have you done to get here yeah

but other than that well i tried with a couple but it just you know not really the interest there but now with the new place it's definitely pushing more like we have the space you know i think a lot of the problem is so many females think that they have to do cardio you know that's such a big part of it and before we had nothing and so now the fact that we have a bike and a treadmill and some stuff you know and lots of space where you can do things i think that helps that hopefully we'll get more females in they just got to stop selling cardio as the solution right that's just warm up do that get warm yeah and then get the fuck off the treadmill please so megan what about you i mean with going into crossfit there's kind of inherently more girls

around than there was that say our ratty old power lifting gym but it's still uh it's you know it's a it's a intense or hardcore thing where you're gonna be like laying on the ground almost wanting to throw up afterwards and you know it's not like uh uh you're going to lightly jog on the treadmill at a globo gym and make sure your hair is perfect. You know, it's, it's still not like that atmosphere. It's a long ways from that. Yeah. It's, I like to be, I like to get into it. I like to be sweaty. I like to be gross. I like to make sure that I do the, what I can. I like to be stronger with it. It's. Did you like that immediately or did it take any getting used to, to like really, uh, kind of put

it all on, on the line for a workout or could you do that right off the bat? No, I think I did it take any getting used to to like really uh kind of put it all on on the line for a workout or could you do that right off the bat no i think i did it right off the bat i really liked it a lot that's where her and i differ that was a very that was a learned skill for me that i still barely barely have but no she she pretty much can you know she's pretty good at redline and and playing in that space which i'm not a big fan of at all when you like the typical class that you guys go to what is the ratio like guy to girl is about half and half or so you know it's it's probably like i'd say 60 females yeah probably it is the most why you go to that one tyler that's really impressive why they just can't seem to get me away

you know it is interesting though you you know, that's the thing that I notice every, you know, so you see it, Leo, when you're at Massanomics, you know, you're probably the only female or one of the few that are there. But, you know, at least when at our CrossFit gym, it's always interesting to see, you compare what it's like in those two situations versus at like a, at a Globo gym or your regular fitness gym and if i compare just what the women do in those other gyms um you know what you guys do is exceptional and a lot of people don't realize it because they see it all the time but when you're seeing people squatting extremely heavy or doing max effort deadlifts or just really fucking blowing it out with some heavy, heavy weights.

Those are things I don't see in the 5 a.m. classes at the YMCA with the pink rubber weights, you know, and so it's an interesting thing. You know, I didn't realize that anybody went that hard. So, yeah, it's been pretty cool to see. You know, we see, you know, my, my mom now does CrossFit. So she's been, you know, she's there doing snatches and cleaning jerks. How long has she been doing that? A while now, probably like seven, eight months. Yeah, maybe.

Did you guys talk her into it or does she just, uh. I don't, I try not to apply any pressure to anybody. I try not to be that person who's like, you should definitely fucking do CrossFit, you know, cause there's enough, there's enough of those in the world. But I talk about it enough, obviously. So she decided to come down and do it. And she loves it. I mean, she moves better than she has in a really long time, and she's getting a lot stronger.

So, yeah, it's just really cool to see. So we have moms, grandmothers, you know, and, um, people down there just throwing barbells around, which is pretty sweet. But, um, yeah. Okay. I've got kind of a question or I've got to make a point first and then I'll ask a question. So I'll see how, if I can do this quickly, but, uh, in the fitness community or in the fitness world, for those of us that read or look a lot of that up on Instagram or the internet and everything, it's become really common. I think all women know by this point that are into that, that they don't just have to run and eat nothing in order to look good. So for all of us, that's been said and done a hundred times.

And you both know that and any girl that's into this knows that but still in the more general public opinion of women I think um they still think that they don't realize that or they think the opposite is still true that you know if they they want to start dieting or look better that they're going to have to eat nothing and, you know, run on the treadmill for five hours. Um, but, and then I guess to go along with that and then what, what both of you do is pretty much performance-based, you know, you're both basically trying to get stronger, but in the end, you know, it makes you, it gets you that result of looking way better too. So isn't that kind of your opinion that if a woman's goal is to look better, that performance-based strength training is a pretty good way to go?

I would definitely say so. I mean, don't get me wrong. I still like to ride my bike or do sprint workouts every once in a while. Gross. And it's probably fun for you. Oh, yeah, definitely. We live in the early days. So it's important to always do whatever's fun, you know? Yeah, yeah. But for the most part, I mean, yeah, it's, I think things now, um, like you have to get your 10,000 steps in per day. People are like, Oh, I'll just go walk five miles and then I'll be in

shape and look awesome. It's like, don't get me wrong. Like walking is great for you. It's going to keep you healthy. But as far as if you're trying to look better, it's not gonna, I don't know. I don't feel like it's going to get you where you want to be. And so I definitely believe that lifting or I mean, that more in Oh, what's the word I'm looking for? Intense workout that's going to get you there rather than just running on a treadmill for 30 minutes. And Megan, what about like nutritionally? What's that look like for what's it look like for you? And what was it like before? I know you had tried to just do the eating less thing. weighed the most I've ever weighed. Then when we started CrossFit, Tyler started looking up more recipes,

more cooking, and we started portioning out our meals, counting, and just doing the intense lifting. It's gotten so much better. I'm actually eating way more than I've ever eaten and working out harder, yet I'm stronger than I've ever been. So I'm all about the strength with it. And if I might say, it looks better'm all about the strength with it. It's. And if I might say it looks better than she did the day we met. And Ryan would probably, if he was here, he would probably say that he doesn't mind you doing it also. So, um, let's see, what about some, uh, some,

let's run some rapid fire questions your guys' way. Okay. So what is the grossest thing that you've seen dudes do in the gym? Megan? I'd have to say they'd all have to take off their shirts more. Oh, so the grossest thing we do is keep our shirts on? Yeah. Yeah. It's not as pretty as you think. Leah, what about you?

What's the grossest thing that happens down at Massanomics that's a good question um I don't know I'm trying to limit it to just one if you've got more we'll hear when Larry comes in and his work gear and like you can't even see his face because he's covered in stuff and like oh let's just go jump on him it's like Larry I'm not saying you got to take a shower to come but let's clean up a little maybe a wet wipe or something larry is probably not listening to this larry hasn't figured out how to open his computer just yet so but larry comes in and i actually just found this out like a few weeks ago but larry comes in in his work clothes like legitimately works out in jeans a lot of the time. Or boots. He usually will be down to like a white tank top. Yeah.

And the craziest part is he'll be just like, he'll be, it's hard to even say, but like he'll be, it'll be a deadlift day and he'll be repping out like almost five plates while he's wearing a pliers holder and with a cell phone in his pocket and the cell phone in his pocket and the cell phone will be snagging on the bar on the way up every time but it still stays there

and it doesn't it doesn't mess with him he just does it it's functional process to him because i could never pull it off he is a guy that will not make excuses for why he's not able to perform that day like he'll be there in his freaking jeans after working 15 straight hours in the sun yeah he probably ate a sandwich that day you know and then he's dead lifting 500 pounds for reps yeah i think we talked about that last week too some you will just find a way you'll be there if it's important to you and that dude that dude gets there works some long days and doesn't care about changing his pants so that that was a good one though and uh let's see what about uh i don't know i don't know what it's like for for for women just power lifting but i know at the crossfit gym

megan what's it like uh peeing every time you jump rope oh that's awful you think about it you're like no no take a break so we'll take 10 of us girls we'll have to line up and go and then right before the workout itself it starts it's no everyone go take a break so yeah then we have a you're pretty bad about it aren't you you pretty much pee when you jump rope for sure yeah it's awful i try not to i avoid jump roping at all costs jump rope with their legs very, very close together.

I won't even go if there's jump roping. Tanner, is that why you don't jump rope either? Yeah, that's why. What else? What else we got, guys? I'm about, we're about wrapped up. Is there anything else you guys wanted to cover? I got something else.

This is not really rapid fire but something i just thought of how about uh do either of you sell and or use any uh multi-level marketing diet supplements like herbal life or i don't know what they all are. Reps. Yeah, any of that stuff. In order to get fit and be strong, have you needed to have any of that stuff? I don't sell any. I use some. I honestly couldn't tell you what it is,

and I don't use it on a regular basis. It's Ryan's. Okay, so you're saying something that he bought. Right. But it's not like one that one of your friends was trying to sell to you. Oh, no. They're not trying to get you to become a business owner by selling from your home. Right, no.

And I'm not trying to get anyone to rag on it or anything, but I'm just making the point that probably both of you have gotten really fit and really strong without having to use those things. Correct. Yeah. No, never had to use it. Never even. Cause me personally, most of my fitness came from wraps actually. I mean, I'd give at least half of it to credit. That's why I called you the mummy for so long. Yeah. That's why. That's exactly it. But, uh, yeah yeah so you don't need that shit people for real

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