Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 229: Bud Jeffries

Episode Date: August 24, 2020

Bud Jeffries certainly lives an unconventional lifestyle, and there isn't much this man hasn't done.  One podcast isn't really enough to get to his full story, but we hit some of his highlights.  We also try out our new one minute segment for Lift Platinum Club supporting members. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Mastinomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Mastinomics! Mastinomics! website and everything. Massanomics. Welcome back listeners to episode 229 of the Massanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. We got a good show again. We got another guest keeping that running, of course, a cool and Bud Jeffries, longtime friend of the Massanomics podcast. he is we've uh gone back and forth with bud for like this one's kind of a long time coming it actually is i think did we write an article

with him in it way back in the day actually we did that i had to have been probably like four years ago i totally forgot about that yeah until you mentioned that i think that was people that you you're not following you should be yeah yeah i think that that's right And when I was in Florida one year, I was going to try to podcast. I took the equipment even there and was going to try to podcast with him because I was staying not too far from where he was. And a hurricane hit. Yeah, that's right. That is what happened.

I think that year. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Hurricane Irma had other plans. All these memories come back. But more for more on that later but first our sponsors today's show is brought to you by lifting large lifting large to set a new standard for customer service within the strength world they have live website chat support and speedy email responses lifting large

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power lifting records have been and continue to be set and broken on the texas power bar check them out at texaspowerbars.com well all right same sponsor team back at it again we we don't change these often do we no we don't we got good ones and and they we like them and they like us and we just keep it rolling we're on a roll as they say so what do we got in the world to talk about this oh we got we got a few things we've got um what are we gonna something with rogue fitness that we saw today we got a really good sack segment i'm excited about that i i want to keep the anticipation building a little bit here but you've built it up a lot to me i don't know what it is

but i'm very excited you do not as of right now tommy does not know what's in my sack and i'm dying to see what's in there i'm dying to get at it and we are we hinted at this last episode that for some of our uh massonomics podcast supporting members uh the highest tier the platinum lift membership that we're going to start maybe giving them an opportunity to have a voice on the podcast we might get our first taste of uh the platinum club lifestyle yes and uh i guess maybe just more to come on those rules right before we actually do that but that's just an enticing thing for people to sign up for that level. And we get to experience that today a little bit. Yeah.

So that'll be fun for the first time. Hopefully. I mean, we don't know, I guess I don't know. It's going to be the first time. I hope it's fun. And as far as our guests,

I am really excited about, but yeah, we, it's, you know, I could talk about bud for the whole time until we get up to talk about learn something. Yeah,

we are. I'm excited for that. Yeah, definitely. So that's kind of what we, and do we also have a what's in the can segment too i you know we have so much on the list tanner i actually might have forgot about that if you didn't say that right now so let's uh let's crack right into that right away and this is what's in that can so okay you are you are guessing here okay so the sack segment has kind of made a return to the show, really, hasn't it? It has, definitely. Well, it says tall.

Tall and thin, I can tell. Tall boy. Tall, by the way, it doesn't necessarily fill out the old koozie quite the same. Yep, the koozie's a little looser on this hog. Yeah. Ooh, it has a good snap to it. Good pop. First, I smell.

First thought, I like to judge on smell first. I'm getting hints of lemon on my smeller. That's all I'd say about smell. First taste. What are you thinking? What are you thinking here, Tanner? The only thing that it reminds me of when we did the Lemoncello one. So I guess, I don't know what, was Lemoncello in the tall, thin can?

I can't remember. I thought that was in a regular LaCroix can. I'm pretty sure that was a LaCroix. Yeah. So I don't know. I guess I'm guessing this is Lemoncello flavored because it reminds me of Lemoncello. We have an S Pellegrino. Where's the official flavor?

Lemon and Lemon Zest. Lemon and Lemon Zest's the official lemon and lemon and lemon zest not just lemon lemon and lemon zest so this is the first s pellegrino to ever be on the show tanner one thing i'd never had this before one thing that shocked me it's very light on the carbonation yeah it is isn't it it is light on the carbonation which that's interesting because i actually expected more carbonation sparking waters don't have that much going for them if you take away the carbonate like the carbonation is one of the one of the defining factors of it being a sparkling water but so i was i was kind of close on the flavor then i guess i should have just said straight up lemon but it almost

has more of a lemon like that limoncello vibe to me where I thought. I don't know if I like the level of carbonation here. I think we need more carbonation in my sparkling beverages. Well, if it's not carbonated, is it sparkling? Well, it says, well, it doesn't exactly say sparkling. It does say flavored mineral water with natural CO2. It's because it's natural. That could be it. The joke's on me.

This was never meant to be sparkling. this is fancy though right but maybe the s and s pellegrino maybe it stands for sparkling i think it's sand though isn't it or no i have no idea what is pellegrino is that spanish or like uh i assume it's italian okay italian i have it absolutely no that that sounds right i bet you're right gotta be i sound silly saying Spanish. No, gotta be Italian. Yep. Well,

I don't know if I'd rate this one very high. Let me try it again. It just feels a little, it reminds me of a LaCroix that's been out too long and it's now flat. My, my wife doesn't like, I say, I Italian,

like, you know, I don't say, I Italy. Yeah, right. Right. This is an exaggeration. I say it, but Italian.

Yeah, a lot of people make that mistake. I believe the proper way is Italian. You're right, right. Just like the country, Italy. So what are you giving this one? I would maybe give this like two and a half. Maybe. That might even be a tad on the heavy side.

I'll give it my three. The flavor's fine, just the mouthfeel is all off, Tanner. Are these more expensive than? Okay. These are like, I think it came in like an eight pack, and I want to say it's almost a dollar a can. So just based on this one flavor alone that I've had, it's hard to justify the additional price, I think, others right yeah i would say so although other well but also it's it depends on if you're

drinking alone at home then there's no worth to it but if you're out in public with people seeing i mean you're putting out a vibe yeah then you're like oh that guy doesn't isn't just drinking a bubbly like anyone can get a bubbly from yeah it's not your average guy that guy is a man it also looks like it could be alcoholic it kind of does a little bit well yeah that's our trip to flavor town all right tanner have you been watching any tv lately because i've been watching a little bit um i like i said before i'd just been watching star wars i'm working on mandalorian now but the one other thing that i watched a little bit was fear town never heard or fear city fear city it's a documentary on i won't even talk about because i haven't watched it much but documentary on netflix

about the fbi tracking getting catching the mob in new york city in like the early late 70s and early 80s yeah oh like like that sounds good like it was it's like the five the five big families of the mob and um it's basically how the the fbi was having like no success getting to these guys and then you know a series of events they did some things better they created basically like five task force that paralleled each family of the mob and it's like you had to think more like a gangster and then like the creation of the rico law you've heard that before and that i watched the sopranos right i know how this goes right and then utilizing that in order to uh-huh interesting kind of good and like giuliani is in the documentary and stuff too yeah interesting

that's a that i would put that on my list yeah check that out yeah i i just watched on hbo they have uh one of their new original series perry mason quite good i've seen a couple of have you seen it it is really good i enjoyed it a lot yeah um i would recommend you watch the whole thing i watch the whole thing yeah if you're into uh uh into like a 1930s whodunit type thing, it's pretty good. I mean, it's shot amazingly well. I like the 1930s thing too. Like sometimes that's hit and miss for me,

but I really, really like this one. I just, it was a fun show. I loved watching it. The reason I've only watched a little bit of that is because my wife and I started watching it and she lost interest. Oh, really? And then we're in this thing, limbo, where it's's like do you want to watch it with me or can I go

ahead and continue to watching it or like that trick are we just gonna wait so long that I forget completely what I've even seen and have to re-watch the whole thing yeah you ever had that happen before oh yeah I almost feel like now when you have to wait a week between episodes it's almost like I forgot what happened between things right because you get so used to like I'll just keep plowing through but uh the one other one though is hard knocks is on hbo again and i did watch the first i'm saying i'm not watching things but i love hard we talked about hard not i had never watched it until last year last year was the first one i'd ever watched yeah more because i'd like never had hbo didn't we talk about it we did talk about a decent amount and And the new one is with the Rams and the Chargers.

And the LA teams. Obviously, the presence of COVID is strong in this one. Boy, that's all the first episodes. Has it only been the first episode so far? The second one was on last night. I watched that. And the second episode, it's pretty heavily focused on that too, which that's kind of just how things are going to go.

It's a little bit like disappointing as far as watching the show where i'm like oh man and then they're also not playing any pre-season games and that's kind of a big part of that is a big part of the show and then the fact that it's also split between two teams yeah so you kind of end up watching the same montage twice for both and they're all both blue and yellow and i can get confused like i know the difference in the rams and the chargers but i can also but a lot of of the hard knocks a lot of times is about the guys that are like just drafted or like. It's about the no name guys almost on the bubble. Yeah.

And so you do see guys. It's like I have no clue who these people are. And I'm not the world's biggest NFL fan. So they're straight up people that I just don't even know who they are no matter what. But right. Yeah. There's times it's bouncing between. I'm like, I don't know what training camp I'm at this split second.

Yeah. Yeah. You probably know. i'm just drawing a blank right now the one for the rams the the uh d lineman that's really good uh aaron donald donald god that guy is a massive in the second episode they have multiple clips of him with his shirt off like flexing hard okay i haven't seen that yet it's built way different than it's even showing guys it's even showing guys in the same position as him it's like yeah no no no you guys can't play against each other that guy's on a different playing field he kind of is too i mean i didn't follow the nfl much this last year but from what i remember aaron donald kind of is on a different playing field yeah he is a i was gonna he's the one i was gonna bring up that he is a freak he is

a freak he's a freak amongst freaks. Yes. You know, it's kind of the thing. Like that Bosa they showed from the Chargers, the lineman that got cashed in big, like biggest contract on the team, I suppose. Yep. And he must be extremely good also. But even to look at those two in comparison. He's big in a very different way.

Right, right. It's like Aaron Donald is like just physically a freak oh yeah he is yeah he's thick and jacked yeah yeah there's no way around like if a guy like that power lifted you just gotta assume he's gonna destroy every record there is you would think so i don't like if he he never will he has no motivation to never, no incentive, but like as people that are interested in powerlifting strong man, it's like, man, if that guy, like even strong man, like the, I would just assume anything with moving in it, he's just going to kill everyone with just a little training, you know, like if he just, what he there's people like him not

being proficient in those movements, he would probably outside of just being so incredibly natural or strong and gifted. Like there's some things he would struggle at and just being so incredibly natural strong and gifted like there's some things he would struggle at and not know how to do it right like a log clean and press even like a 300 pound log which he could probably do very easily with a little practice might be tricky for him just like the first time picking up having no clue what to do but like you just seems with like six months of training you'd be like well that guy's going to be the best at everything yeah and yeah the fact that's, I don't know, I think he said, what is he, like 6'3", maybe, and probably like a solid 280?

Maybe a solid 280. I was like, that guy's got to be like 300 of muscle. It just seems like it, yeah. Now, that is always the thing, whether you are a football fan or not is the specimens. Like, everyone is a freak, but there's a few specimens that don't make any sense. They are like outliers of outliers. They're sprinkled throughout the teams.

Like, not every team has someone that's that much of like a genetic freak. But, yeah, when you see him, it is very impressive. He is. People like that actually exist. Yeah, for sure. All right, now that we got the Massanomics football talk out of the way. People like that actually exist. Yeah, for sure. Alright, now that we got the Massanomics football talk out of the way. NBA playoffs started too. We don't need to talk

about that. I don't know anything that's going on. LeBron lost. Lakers and the Bucs both lost. Both number one seeds. Number one seeds. I think it's the first time that's happened since like 2003 where both number one seeds got. I wouldn't count them out yet. I don't think so. Although Damian Lillard from the Blazers is pretty. He is really good isn he has really good yeah he's got pretty good uh streaks in them where it's

like yeah it'd be tough to beat that streaks of half court shots what do you do about that that's the one it's like when people complain about the nba it's like i guess they're just too good for the game like when you complain about people shooting like it's like well what do you do when they started this game they didn't envision that people were going to be able to shoot from 40 feet away. With any accuracy at all. Well, yeah, when they started, I mean, there wasn't even a three-point.

You know, nobody could. But yeah, the game's changed, obviously. So I've caught just pieces of some of those, not a ton. Yeah, I don't have television in that way, so I can't really watch it. But I suppose there'd be ways around it if I really wanted to. Yeah, there's always a way. Yeah. I don't have television in that way, so I can't really watch it. But I suppose there'd be ways around it if I really wanted to. Yeah. There's always a way, Tanner.

Yeah. If there's a will, there's a way. That's what they say. There's always a way. What do you think about this? I think we should maybe jump into that. Unless you want to talk about the rogue thing first. We could do this because we've got to do this.

So in case we run out of time, we could always not talk about the rogue thing. So we're checking out Tanner's sack here here and this isn't no ordinary sack this has happened before you need to tell us the story of how the sack got here first ah yes that would probably be best start at the beginning ah the beginning well four and a half years ago tommy and i and tyler decided to start a No, not that far. I got a message today while I was at the gym, actually, from a listener and supporter of Masonomics who happens to work at our local post office. Maybe I won't say his name just in case you're not supposed to message people if you work at the post office, but you know who you are.

If they want us to say their name, they can tell us. right right yes exactly and he messaged me and said hey you've got a package here they sent this to an address that does not have a receptacle for us to deliver it to but i just happened to notice it and notice it said massonomics on it so i thought i'd let you know that you can come get it today otherwise they're going to end up uh return to sender because there's nowhere to deliver it to which which that alone we live in a town of almost 30 000 people and the fact there has to be tons of mail getting returned every day the fact that someone in the post office looks and sees and knows where that's going and knows who to contact about it but is already incredible we he has bought in multiple messes.

I know, yes. He knows who we are. Yes, but still. I'm just saying the fact that anyone would run across a piece of mail that's returning and they know who to get in touch with. Yeah, right, right. That's very funny to me. Yes.

Almost serendipitous, maybe. A little bit. Like this was meant to be on the podcast. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, otherwise this wouldn't be on this episode of the podcast. I'd probably have to wait for weeks to get sent back and return. But the reason this happened, so this is a good point to get out there.

On our website, our address for the gym is listed because we do have people that come to the gym, you know, that go through the gym and get there. Yeah, that is for most people the more important address

that they need is the address for the gym. Right, right. And sometimes people send stuff to that address. This isn't the first time it's happened. So if you are planning, right. And sometimes people send stuff to that address. This isn't the first time it's happened. So if you are planning on sending stuff, don't send it to that address.

Get a hold of us and I'll give you our mailing address. A good address to send to. Right, right. But if you want to come to the gym or stalk our gym, that is where you would go to do that. So that's how we got the package. Now, are you ready to see what's inside of the package? I am ready to see what's in this sack.

Okay, I'll just start by showing you something. Showing me something. Yeah. Is it a bottle of ejaculoid? Is that what it is? No, it's not ejaculoid. I'll start with these hats right here. So.

Okay, okay. Maybe you want to show the. So this will take some explaining probably for a large portion of our audience but this is a package that we received from judd who's so so you're holding a that's a very like it's very it's a bright it's a very bright pink hat snapback hat and this this hat. And this hat looks kind of cool. I kind of like this. I do like the style on that. That style.

I don't know if that's part of their logo or what that is, but that looks cool. So we probably need to explain who Judd Hoos is here. Yes. And this is from, I believe this is all from Chris of Judd Hoos, but it's from all of Judd Hoos, I suppose. But I think Chris is the listener. So Judd Hoos is a, I believe they're a South Dakota band, right?

They are South Dakota, right? Rapid City based, I believe. Okay, Rapid City based. So Western South Dakota. But Judd Hoos is a band that plays at 10 billion street dances across South Dakota every year. And bars. And bars of concerts, like all kind like they i would be curious to know how many they do perform at in a given year a lot a lot right um especially in my younger years i there's i

would use the word countless number of times that my friends and i had been very very drunk while judd hoose is performing in the background Yes. People were probably yelling things at the time. What I would say is I remember the start of a lot of Judd Hughes concerts. I remember the end of maybe none. I think that's a great way to describe it. They used to pull it. I get a little, like I said, I was often drinking quite a bit at the time. We're talking like 21, 22. Right, right. So I get a little confused. But did they not often often drinking quite a bit at the time. We're talking like 21, 22.

Right, right. So I get a little confused, but did they not often play at the local bar? Oh, they did that time. Okay, all the time. Yeah. So I went there, saw them there many times for sure. And I guess that's the zoo bar for what that's worth mentioning. It is the zoo bar.

Yeah. So yeah, saw them a lot of times there too. Wow. And okay, so Chris, I believe is the one that listens is a fan of massonomics listen to the podcast so chris was a fan of massonomics at least followed us on instagram when we posted our billboard saying the note he reached out and said holy cow you guys are in south dakota i didn't know that i didn't know that and he's like, maybe you know my band, Judd Hoos. And I was like, well, yeah.

We've been to it a thousand times. Of course we know that. So that's kind of cool. It is kind of funny. And I completely forgot he mentioned that, you know, this was quite a while ago, he mentioned that he would send something and I think he asked for our t-shirt sizes, maybe even that sort of thing. So we got those hats

there. We got a whole bunch of thing. So we got those hats there. We got a whole bunch of Judd Who's koozies. Oh, yeah, we do. I'll save the best for last. Okay. The hats I did think were more interesting to start with. That is a stack of koozies there. And then we've got some shirts here. So let's see here.

What do we got? I'll hand a couple of these over to you to. Damn, this box. This is like a four-inch deep box, but you keep pulling stuff out of it. I think those are probably all your size. But I'm holding up one of the, they sent us tank tops,

so I suppose that's to be able to show off the gains in the gym. Okay, okay. Judd, whose tank tops? Got the classic T with the logo. Yeah, the tank top. All right. So that, and then the next thing, this, it would be,

I believe this is a CD album. This is a CD. You don't see these too often anymore. No, this is not the best thing. There is one thing left in the box, and it trumps all the Severus stuff by a long shot. Okay, Tanner. The CD is kind of cool. The CD is kind of cool it's kind of cool sock it to me baby let's see what we got here oh some vinyl yes this one's

that and that one is signed so we got a couple of uh albums one of them signed by the members and the record i thought was that is cool it's actually white vinyl ah some good old white yeah but like that thing is real that is really cool that album uh cover with the white vinyl yeah i don't see have you seen a record lately tanner no and that's they kind of are on a comeback you know i think i think records actually outside cds now okay um yeah white they do like cool things with vinyl they make uh all different colors okay like that for like limited runs but very cool i didn't i assumed you had to be like much bigger to get vinyl made just because i i thought it was crazy expensive but maybe i'm sure

it is more but yeah um super cool. But to me, it's, we, we are, uh, something we're, we're working on here and not, not too longterm or more in the short term is we're going to revamp our

podcast studio. You know, if we ever had like an area for cool things that we've received, we might even have to talk about that is when we redo the, we might have to set shelves aside for people to send us stuff to put things on. Cause like, wouldn't this be a signed album cover?

Just because people are like, what is that? Yeah, yeah. Like, what is that? Damn, that is a goodie box. So the album's called Music in the Dark. And the members of Judd Hoos are Chris, Andy, Tyler, Devin, and Shane. But like I said, I think it's Chris that... Because he lifts.

So I did, I did let him know anytime he's in Aberdeen, he's welcome to come to Masonic gym to get his gym on. Yeah. Sweet. Well, thanks a lot guys. This was a,

it was a very, very impressive sack segment. And I'm not saying that lightly because we've been getting a lot of sacks lately. Right. Wow. This is probably a, if you're watching the podcast this is probably a much better visual segment than uh true true true wow but i just did think it was

the the thing that made it really cool was the the actual record yeah that's awesome yeah very cool wow well thanks a lot guys yeah thank you uh if you're not familiar with the jed who's go check them out. Yeah. I would just put you in the right state of mind. Maybe have like 10 beers first. J-U-D-D-H-O-O-S. No idea what that even means.

No. If it's a name or any, I have no clue. I've never had a name, a place, a thing. I think at some point in time, I thought that that was the name of one of the guys I saw singing. But like I said before, I was also really drunk all the time. Don't even know. Wow.

Well, thanks a lot, guys. Yeah. Keeping this train moving. Yes. Should we hear from the Platinum Club for a minute? Yes. Okay. So we're going to, this will be, we'll explain this segment really quick.

We're also going to explain it to the person. to this will be we'll explain this segment really quick we're also going to explain to the person on the website there is the massonomics platinum club podcast supporter level where you pay an ungodly amount of money to say you're a part of that club on a monthly basis yep and we thought it'd be fun if every once in a while we check in with our platinum club members yeah let them you know say what they got to say ask us questions talk to us because i mean they're paying a lot of money we should at least be hearing from these people a little bit right um we they are parts of this podcast they are part of this podcast absolutely so this is what we're going to do we're going to

start every so often having a platinum club member on and it. And we might have the same person on multiple times. There's no rules to that part. No, no. We make the rules. We do make the rules. As of right now, the only rule is that once the person's on the phone, we are going to break down the rules quickly. And the rules are going to be that we are explaining the rules to you.

And then you have 60 seconds. Just like who wants to be a millionaire, once that buzzer goes off, the call's done. It doesn't matter if you're in the middle of a statement or what, but the call is done. So is our caller about ready to go here, Tanner? Yeah, I think so. When they answer, are you going to start and explain the rules? I'm going to explain the rules. I better get my timer ready because I don't want anyone to break the rules on the first one.

That would be just really bad, Tanner. That's true. You know how we get on the rules on segments, too. Okay, okay. And are we good on the switchboard for calling supporter number one? So we're just going to do one today. Should I call right now? Are we ready?

Yeah, let's call. Let's call. All right. We're going to give this little college try. First time ever. This is James. Big James. Hey, what's up, guys?

Hey. Okay, James. We got a very specific set of rules here. Are you listening? All right. What you got? Okay. So you are the first person ever of the Platinum Lift Club to be

featured in the Platinum Lift Club member segment on the podcast. And with that, there's a very specific set of rules. Really, the main thing to keep in mind is you have 60 seconds to talk about whatever you want. You can say whatever you want. You can talk to us about things, but you got 60 seconds. At the end of that 60 seconds, the phone call hangs up. It doesn't matter where you're at in the conversation. It hangs up then. Does that all make sense to you? That makes sense.

I accept. Okay. Your timer starts now. All right. Considering I'm the only person with Apple Pie, LaCroix, Lyft Shorts, and a Platinum Ly a platinum lift club i've spent 30 a month i need to get my 50 cents per second of time anyways i'm not a total specialist i'm a bench specialist stop calling me that anyways it's actually not in my name so miss swim hack it's in her name due to

tax purposes because they're going to charge me a luxury tax i would rather her get it than me yeah you have anything to say? I don't want to happen to stand on the corner and collect money. I just don't tell them that. Jesus, they're going to think that I'm pouring you out. That is not the case. Well, it's between the membership and the lift shorts. It's between the supporting membership and the lift shorts.

Don't open another sponsorship level because I will not be able to afford that. No way. No way. Miss SwimHack was the first comment this week, so congratulations on that. You beat James. She's going down. Going down.

All right, you guys. I guess. That's it. That's it. All right. Can you hear my timer going off? There it is. Yeah, there it is. There we go. So that's it that's it all right can you hear my timer going off uh there yeah there we go there we go so that's it we got to cut them off that was pretty fun yeah that was good might have to check in with someone again next week right right let's we'll we'll work on lining those up and as

for now it works great that his wife was in the background too right so i guess if i don't know if we were i mean obviously you can tell if you listen to this podcast that was james strickland of course uh um mass atomic sponsored lifter and but james also gives the love back to us and he made the comment that he's not because i've been commenting on his post uh total specialist yeah i do like that. He included that. That was good. So for now, we're just opening that up to platinum level,

supporting memberships. Correct. As of right now. So we've got some of those to get through. If we want to try to include all, everyone that wants to, that is. I couldn't tell if my alarm is still going off.

I don't think it is. Okay. Well, that was fun. I look forward to more of those. Yeah. Cause we could even have a, a like the buzzer no yeah right we can do a lot with sound effects right yeah we always we always leave that part you know we keep the production fairly straightforward here yeah it's a streamlined approach it is a very streamlined

oh james said something he goes lol not scripted at all uh amazing okay we probably probably can't talk about a rogue thing this week tanner uh probably not that's right we'll talk about see i'm glad we did aren't you glad we did the sack i am glad we did the sack that was more fun than talking about some big old company yep that doesn't even sponsor a show or anything so Giving them free publicity. Exactly. That's a teaser, though, for next week. Maybe we'll talk about it next week. Should we get to it? Yes.

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because i want to be i gotta i gotta have full focus for this interview tanner locked in for i got to be locked in in we're good to go let's get Bud going here hi guys what's going on is this Mr. Jeffries yes it is. Excellent. Bud, you're live on the podcast with Tanner and Tommy,

and I'll just start off by saying we are both extremely excited to be able to talk with you today. Oh, very cool, man. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Great. Yeah, go ahead, Tommy. We were just talking actually before this, like when was the first time we ran across Bud? And we actually

remembered that i don't even know if you know this or remember but we we wrote an article like four and a half years ago about people you should be following on instagram and you were one of the people we had in our list from way back then yeah and um i think things have came a long way since then i think yeah for sure yeah yeah definitely geez that's four and a half years ago wow yeah i think so yeah so it's it's you a lot of these interviews that we talk with people they're they're really involved in like say one discipline uh yeah it tends to be fairly straightforward because they're a power lifter and we talk about power lifting stuff and maybe there's a few things that branch off of that, but we were trying to think of how do

we describe Bud Jeffries? And you're a, you're a, you're a beast with a lot of different things. And it's hard to, it's hard to, how would you describe yourself if someone isn't familiar with who you are? You know, like every time I do an interview or podcast, I kind of get this question because everybody has the same problem. And in fact, it's kind of like a sales problem for me, because if you look at things from a marketing perspective and all that stuff,

people are like, well, you have to be known for this one thing. Well, I don't do just one thing. No. And it's, and it's kind of difficult to describe.

Like, so if I tell people, if they, I use the moniker strong man, only because strong man covers for most people, not lifter people like us who need a more specific denomination of things, but like normal humans that don't, you know, set stuff on fire and lift 400 pound rock and that kind of thing.

Like, like normal humans, strong man sort of gives them an idea of covering of what going on, what's going on. I would classify myself today more of an old-time strongman, and the things I do are more... I'm like, this is a descriptive term, but I don't mean it like this, because, like, are you, okay,

like, strongman entertainment? Okay, it might be a little more, but, like, that sort of sounds like WWE, which is all, that's not exactly the direction I want to go, that's not what I'm talking about, but that combination of words together is sort of what I'm doing. And over the course of my life, if you want to go. That's not what I'm talking about. But that combination of words together is sort of what I'm doing. So, and over the course of

my life, if you want to talk about that, well, I've done almost every competitive strength discipline you can do. And lots of other athletic things or whatever. So today, if I had to really classify, I guess I'm an old-time strongman, but that gives me the

freedom to really just use pieces from powerlifting and strongman competition and highland games and lots and lots of other disciplines from martial arts things on fire and throw sharp things and shoot stuff and all all while holding something heavy or trying to fight a live tiger or something along that that line uh that's about as close as you can there isn't like a one word you know like one thing that really says well that's about as close as you get to really and and correct me if i'm wrong but i think you could also put on that list. Um, speaker, author, and, um, I, you've also appeared on TV before too, right? Well, okay. Not like as an actor, but yeah, let me say that. Not yet. Not yet. Who knows? I'm not going to rule that out. Although, you know, I don't, but no, I've been, I've been on TV all kinds of lots of different news and interview type things for TV. And, uh, I've been on TV all kind of, lots of different news and interview type things for TV.

And I've spent a long time doing it as a professional speaker. So like I was a, when I say old time strong man, that kind of clarifies, not clarifies, but it gives you the idea. Because, okay, really what people are booking you as today, with the minor, minor exception of two or three things, if you're getting paid to do this, minor exception of two or three things if you're getting paid to do this what they're booking is a speaker who happens to do strongman things not a strongman who can run at people and like you know once in a while people want to you to just show up and do something real physical and wow the crowd and walk off and drop the mic and not say anything but 90% of the time anybody who's booking a live show of in of strength today is looking for you to speak on

a particular topic or something so i so like i spent the last the last years of my career of that thing where i was really pushing it public speaking very hard i did an anti-bullying tour with a school um group and so like in a three-year period i spoke at a thousand different schools in 44 states for like 300,000 kids and each one of those was a strongman performance. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. Like, I'll tell you what, man, it was a shaping time for me as far as learning from strongman stuff.

Like, it really helped me evolve my craft. And it also, like, it gave me a real sense of what people were doing, you know, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. Like, the guys we look at who are the forefathers of the things we're doing today, guys like Arthur Saxon and Sandow and some of the guys who were the early, early real champions or famous physical cultures from the 20s and 30s or even before that, it gave me a real sense of what it was like to live that way. Also, I learned exactly what Bob Seger meant by like that, like, you know, long, lonesome highway east of Omaha. Dude, I know that song intimately, like all that, like when you, after that much time and travel, like that particular thing is nine solid months on the road. So like, dude, hotel rooms all start to look the same after a while. You know what I'm saying that sounds brutal and and see your you're like even more

clarifying this point for us we uh both time and myself have both followed you for a long time and like we I'd maybe speaking for both of us but we didn't even really know that you had done that much uh touring speaking like that like that's just even more that we didn't know about you because there's so much you know you've done so much uh in this field that it's Like that's just even more that we didn't know about you because there's so much, you know, you've done so much, uh, in this field that it's just, it's just hard to even go through it all. Right.

Well, and I'm, and I'll actually, I'm trying to make it even harder because I like, I'm trying to catalog. I think this was something that like Herman Groner was the one, the old time trauma is really known for the wide variety of crazy speech. And he had in the book that parallels that, in the book that chronicles his life,

they catalog hundreds of feats. And that's kind of the direction I'm going with that. I want to see what's possible for the human body to combine strength and all the other possible physical attributes and what can we do all together. And the speaking thing was awesome, man. It taught me exactly how to be super dialed in for a performance and super dialed in for a performance and

super dialed in for a strength feat within seconds and, you know, perform two, three times a day, five days a week. And, uh, it's a whole, there's a learning process of that. So yeah, there's, I mean, when you're, and that was kind of what I'm looking for is I want to, it sounds crazy and I don't mean in like this any way, a grandizing way, but I kind of want to build a legacy of this where I want to have hundreds, if not a thousand fe cataloged before my life of strength is done. And I want to have done, you know, touched as many people

and done as much for people as I can and done as much with the gift I have or done as much with the work I can do as possible. So yeah, when you start adding up, it kind of ends up with a lot of stuff when you look at all the videos and all the training material. Like I've got eight books and like 50 training videos and like uh well well i think in cataloging this i'm one of about five guys i know of living today who's done over a thousand performances that is that is um very very impressive and And so with a, over, you know, over a thousand performances, I mean, you come in contact with probably, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of people over that time, if not a million people,

is there like, is there any moments that really stick out to you as being like, you know, these were the top three moments going through all of that. Oh, wow. Um, well, yeah, that's a tough one one because there's a lot of you know like once in a while when you're because a lot of performance are just for kids you know kids in schools and that kind of thing so once in a while you really get like okay i have a box of letters that kids wrote to me i have a box of letters once in a while kid would write and once

in a while teachers would have their whole class writing letters about the performance as a you know whatever and so once in a while you get some really really touching stuff i got to do some stuff for some kids that was really cool um meet some really amazing kids along the way and do some really you know some really stuff like that also as part of that thing i got to see literally all almost all of lower america like literally see it up close, um, as a performing thing. Well, let's see. Wow. First time or two that I performed with people I really respected was, was kind of a cool thing. Cause that's, uh, um, you know, that's, uh, I'm, I'm actually, I am, that's an, I actually am what I say. I am kind of a thing.

You know what I'm saying? Like that's, uh, um, that's like, it's kind of the first time TV people call you to come do something that's kind of like a, okay, I really am actually doing this. Like I'm saying? Like that's a, that's like, it's kind of the first time TV people call you to come do something that's kind of like, okay, I really am actually doing this. Like I'm not just like some knucklehead in my backyard even though I look like that on Instagram. So I got to perform at the old time barbell and strongman association dinner.

That was kind of a career highlight for strongman performance. Because I got to perform, like I got to do one of the last live performances that slim farman ever did i got to perform on the same day as him uh in front of and that's a room where okay that's like us sitting here talking that's knowledgeable people in strength and strength history that's performing for people who know what they're looking at not the average crowd who who kind of gets it but they don't get it you know yeah that makes sense um that kind of thing um performing with uh well

dennis rogers and slim farman was a big thing um also performing uh looking back on now the times i got to perform with my son was a big uh was a big thing the stuff i got to do with him and watching him kind of grow into the just monster, monster strong man that he was was pretty phenomenal. I got to take him to the University of Texas at Austin

Physical Culture Museum. Yeah, I've been there before. Very cool. Yeah, which is amazing. And so in front of Jan and Terry, Todd, if you don't know who they are, you got to look up the strength history that Terry Todd's the first senior national powerlifting champion ever. Um, and unfortunately he recently passed away, but him and his wife have built literally the museum of physical culture. Like it's miles of books. That's everything from 1500 up.

That's anything to do with strength of any kind is there. And, uh, Noah bent a bunch of steel for them and it's now sitting in the museum which is a real that's really cool kind of a thing that that's pretty cool that's really cool yeah so you have also done if no one's if someone's not familiar with you and they hop on your instagram they're just going to see all types of just crazy stuff of you, uh, picking up stones, throwing weights around, walking with a yoke, doing the splits, shooting a quarter out of the air with air, air with a, with a bow and arrow, um, holding a 400 pound rock and throwing a hatchet at a board. Yeah. Like where do you, is it like every day? So like, I just want to come up with something new to challenge myself

or where does that drive come from? Yeah. Yeah. Do you, do you have a, you know, a power lifter has a program mapped out for say the next eight weeks and they're, they're squatting on Monday, you know, five by five, et cetera, et cetera. Does yours say, uh, uh, Tuesday is quarter out of the sky. Right, right, right. Yeah.

Okay. So it's a, it's a tad less structured than that. Yeah. Okay. So it's a tad less structured than that. But it is more structured than it looks. Okay. Because social media only gives you the little snippets of what's going on. And you got to remember, I'm going to just post the't also post when I fail. I post that occasionally too and that kind of thing because let's be real about things. Some of these things are not easy to do. You only walk up and do it the first time. But there's a lot more structure to it than it looks like. So in the reality of my real programming, I use about a 7 to 10, sometimes 14-day cycle. to 10, sometimes 14 day cycle. Um, but what I try to get within those is something that touches every significant piece of, of what I think human performance is about. Okay. So I, once every seven

to 10 days, I'm going to do some kind of squat, some kind of a pulling movement, some kind of a upper back pulling movement and some kind of upper body pushing movement. Now I tend to pick my favorite stuff, my favorite style of those. And for my money, I don't care what kind of, like if you squat, I don't care what kind of squat you do. That's cool. If you pull, I don't care what kind of pull you do. That's cool. If you row or chin, awesome. If you press, I don't care if it's bench press or like, I have my favorites that pay the bills for me considering the kind of physical performance I want to do. And some things I don't do anymore because of past injuries. Like I constantly get the question, how much do you bench press? I don't bench press anymore only because non bench press. Well, one was a bench, very slight flight, a pet care from,

um, from bench pressing. And then also another one was from a grappling injury. And so if I bench today, I don't intend to compete in powerlifting again, even though I competed for 15 years, I don't intend to compete in thatlifting again, even though I competed for 15 years. I don't intend to compete in that anymore. So I don't barbell bench. I dumbbell bench. And then I do my real heavy overhead. My real heavy upper body work is generally one arm pressing, sometimes two, depending on what I'm doing. And I have a favorite of each of those moves.

I tend to do like Anderson squats. I'll do generally stiff leg deadlifts uh once in a while regular deadlifts or rack pull type stuff um uh or i tend to switch back and forth between lifting stones versus deadlifting because i feel like it's kind of the same uh type of physical training you know what i'm saying or your lower back is getting smoked you know one way or the other so for me as far as far as how I do that, I tend to rotate those back and forth. I tend to do your chest-supported rows or sometimes a lot of one-arm rows. Those are really my favorite upper back.

And I tend to work and throw in an ab movement and throw in some kind of a moving, loaded carry, strong mannish type thing. But here's the thing. When you look at the wide variety of what I'm doing, what I'm trying to do is get the most bang for my buck. So I generally do a warm-up and one to two heavy sets, often for only one to two reps of those types of things. Now, maybe depending on what I'm doing, I may throw in a higher rep set. But within that seven to ten to fourteen to day cycle, I'm going to get one time where I'm going to hit all of those for a reasonably max.

Max for the day, max for the week, whatever. I'm not necessarily trying to push unless I'm just hammering that one lift. I'm going to go into a range where I know I'm in the 90 plus percent range of that on a regular, all the time. So in that way, some of what I do is similar to conjugate training. And for this reason, I don't really like percentages the way that they're normally done. I don't, okay, I don't want like percentages the way that they're normally done. I don't want to live my life that way, and the strong men of the old time couldn't live their life that way.

You couldn't say, all right, I've got to perform this week, but I can only do 5 sets of 5 with 50% to 60% of what I'm doing. So the crowd's going to have to watch me do 60% of my feet versus 100%. You know what I mean? That doesn't pay the bills that way. And also, I don't like the idea of that in real life. Like, one of the changing moments for me was when I was first starting powerlifting and I was doing some geared lifting and, you know, belt and suit and knee wraps and all that stuff.

And one of the first guys I ever lifted weights with, just when I was like 13, 14 years old, said, you know, that's cool and all. He's like, but, like, personally for me, like, if the car falls on my kid, I don't want to have to say, hey, I've got to run in the house and put on a belt and a suit so I can pick it up. You see what I mean? Those things that, you know, I want to be able to go any time of day, any time of night, and be reasonably close to the max of what I can do for strength, for endurance, for accuracy, for creativity, and any kind of strength.

So not just, like I said like maybe a barbell curl, but picking stone or picking something up and carrying it or all of those kinds of strength. I'm going to hammer something in those areas, very heavy for one to two sets once during that time. Now, sometimes I do it like, you know, all on one day, might do the whole body or I might just break it up as I feel like during the day.

I try to get a max heart rate almost every day of the week. So like maybe a short, intense cardio, maybe 5, 10 minutes. Often some of that lifting looks like that. So for instance, I'll do, all right, so one of my favorite really short routines is to pick one heavy lift, start with, say, 25%, and then go to 30 or 40 and then 50 or 60 and then 70 or 80 and then 90% over 4 or 5 sets but between that I'll

punch a heavy bag for like 60 seconds so the whole the whole lifting thing is going to take like 7 minutes total but I want to be at max heart rate so I want to be at like okay I want to squat 700 pounds but I want to do it when I'm already breathing hard already breathing heavy that kind of thing I try to get some short

intense cardio very regularly, three or four days a week. One day a week or one to two, depending, maybe once every two to ten days, twice every ten days I try to get a long cardio session. Sometimes I might go pull a sled either walking for an hour or I might actually sprint off and on, like run, walk, run, walk, run, walk for an hour. Or a lot of times we'll take a

light dumbbell say a 40 or 50 and i'll do a thousand reps over a 30 minute period and i'll switch back and forth between snatches swings presses rows uh curls laterals or whatever and i'm going to do like 110 different exercises and try to do it as non-stop as possible because i want to get that that i want to personally for me I don't think you pay the bills party alive unless you can just stay in a high heart rate for 30 to 60 minutes. Right. I don't think that that's where the real health benefits for me came in as far as,

you know, okay, so I'm not lean. I'll never be lean because I'm too much of a wild man for that. Plus I grew up as a kind of a fat kid. So that, that's like, that's how the cars for me,

I, you know, I gained up over a 16 year period. I went from two 30 to three 85. So I could squat a thousand pounds and then I drop over a 230 to 385 so I could squat 1,000 pounds, and then I dropped over 100 pounds. So I hang out in that 285, 295 area right now. And honest to God, I like cheeseburgers and bourbon too much.

That's just the truth. I can relate to that. But real cardio made a huge difference in how I'm able to train and how I'm able to recover, And I don't really get much sore. And I did that by doing like a thousand reps sets of kettlebell swings and still done for like an hour of those nonstop or as nonstop as possible. And in doing that, it changed my entire perspective on what's possible. The old powerlifter adage was, well, if anything over five reps is cardio and cardio will take away from your strength not if you get good at it it won't not and it'll massively add to your life and the fact that you made it you know probably don't have sleep at you and you will definitely be able to like play with your

kids and like you won't be the guy who can squat 900 pounds and then get you know winded on the way to the mailbox and pull the hamstring putting gas in the car you see what i mean like there's a like there's a durability of of that kind of cardio that makes a huge difference in vitality of life like okay a lot of us are massively muscled and huge lifters and we hit their 40s and we have the same stupid problems that couch potatoes have because we're you know we're super strong but we don't really really take care of ourselves well when you can keep that heart rate at 150 for about an hour you you can talk about, you know, now I feel like doing things and, you know, like the wife has to keep a taser to keep me away from her, that kind of, you

know what I'm saying? That kind of stuff. Yeah. I want to be that guy. I want to be the guy, you know, what I actually want to be the guy who, you know, dies at 90 jumping over Caesar's Palace. It's not a fountain at Caesar's Palace on Harley, but that's a different story. Caesar's Palace.

It's not a fountain at Caesar's Palace. It's on Harley, but that's a different story. So, okay. You did just, you mentioned this quickly there. You have squatted 1,000 pounds, which that's something very few people can say that they've ever done. And with your type of credentials and the type of things you've done,

what do you consider the most difficult strength of feet you've ever performed? Oh, wow. Dude, that's, um, you know, I almost have to classify that in like different, um, different planes of feet. If that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Like some feet are okay. Like how do you classify that?

So that squat took me 16 years to get. So when you look at that from a, you got to stay on task and go back to it regularly and keep hammering that one thing, from 14 years old when I first started powerlifting to 30 years old when I actually did it, it took me 16 years to get from a 225 squat the first day I walked in the gym to 1,000 pounds. So that's one of the most difficult feats as far as the long term of the training of the whole thing um let's see uh i did a i did a walk one time with 300 pound weighted vest um which was really this weird conglomeration of a weighted vest and a bunch of chains wrapped around and tied to that until I got it up to 300 pounds. And yeah, because it's not like they make one.

You know, you can't go to Walmart and buy, I'd like a 300 pound. I was thinking, I didn't know they made those. They did not. They make a junkyard conglomeration of like, literally, it took my son like 20 minutes to wrap me in chain and like tie him on to keep it whatever. But that was one of the most horrible and difficult. Need some strength.

That may be one of the hardest because you can't take it off. So that took me like nearly an hour to get like a mile. I had a mile walk that like, I had to rest against things occasionally and I sat down a few times or whatever to actually get a full mile.

But like you said, the weight is not weight you're holding in your hands. You can't drop it for even a second. It's still on you no matter what. You can't drop it. And even if you sit, even if you sit, it's still on you. You're still breathing against it. It's horrible. Like literally, I like just staggered up to the back steps

of my house and they had to cut the, you know, like we tied, wrapped the chains around and just took little cords and tied them together so they wouldn't fall off so they cut it all off of me and like literally had to lift it off me i couldn't get it off and i lit it like there's a picture of me with a pile of chains laying on my kitchen floor and me laying next to the chain like i'm good like it's that kind of that kind of horrible i mean as far as that kind of thing, um, I don't know, you know, it's hard to say. I, I, uh, recently did a, I think this is, I think this is one of my better feats. One of my couple of really, really better feats and probably pretty hard.

Um, although it, it not, it wasn't as hard as I thought it was definitely hard. Don't get me wrong cardio wise, but it's not as hard as I thought it would be. I pulled a semi truck. Okay. So I, I put a 700 pound yoke on my back and then pick the yoke up and walk while pulling the semi truck and trailer. That's just got to be so awkward. That was pretty rowdy. That was pretty, um, like it's a weird thing in that really what it requires is this ridiculous torso strength.

Right. Um, because you can't really lean. Okay. When you pull a truck like that, you have to lean in. You can't really lean. Now, because it's 300 pounds of me and 700 pounds of that, like the pure mass of the thing will let me keep pulling while I can't lean. It kind of counterbalances.

You see what I mean? But it counterbalances in that there's down pressure and back pressure. So you have to keep your torso stable enough to keep that weight off the ground and not not fall with it that way but you also got to keep your torso tight enough that you can translate all that pressure forward without having to lean which is crazy like you can't lean ears to your toes yeah um yeah and like i can't imagine the accuracy yeah that was pretty that was pretty because i've done a 700 pound yoke i've done a 700 pound yoke and carry and pull the truck before

and i literally can't imagine how you could do them at the same time that's crazy yeah it's uh you know what and that's and that okay so that kind of plays for the question you asked me earlier like do you program this stuff? If you were to really be able to look at my training over the last several years, you would see a consistent buildup toward wilder and wilder and wilder things. Like, okay, so like the shooting the quarter out of an air started with, out of the air with a bow. And I've actually hit a quarter in the air with actually about 15 different things.

actually hit a quarter in the air with actually about 15 different things i've literally i hit it with a knife an axe a bow and arrow uh air pistol uh let's see a uh kettlebell uh a hammer a wrench a chain uh shot put, sporting clay, I'm sure I'm forgetting I'm literally, okay, see what I mean? So what I'm doing is I'll take a particular feet and then once I kind of build on the basis of a particular feet, I'll start adding twists and adding ways

to do it and if I can do it forward, can I do it backward? Okay, so the truck thing started that way, I'm like, I just had this idea can I pull a truck and do the yoke at the same time and then I did it forward, well then the next day I did it backward? Okay. So the truck thing started that way. I'm like, I just had this idea. Can I pull a truck and do that with the yoke at the same time? And then I did it forward. Well, then the next day I did it backward. Walk backward with the yoke, pulling with the truck to see what I mean. And then I experimented with a space where I pulled a truck while carrying a rock.

And I pulled a truck while holding a dumbbell overhead. And then I pulled, see what I mean? If I can pull it forward, can I pull it backward? And if I can do that, can I pull it longer? Or can I pull it and throw something at the same time? Or if I can throw something at something big, can I hit something smaller and smaller and smaller? Or can I hit it from further away?

Or can I hit it while it's moving? Or can I hit, you see what I mean? Like there's a, it's all progression of each of those skills. And then it's all combinations of skills. Like, okay, can I hold this 200 pound log on my shoulder while I throw a burning target in the air and get it with an axe? Yes, I can.

And if I can do that, then where's the next? You see what I mean? It looks bizarre. It looks like I just literally go out and pick some LSD and just make up the craziest thing from day to day. But really, if you were able to look at the entire backlog of things,

and I want to say that because people are going to say, you know, Oh, this guy is just really fruitiously phenomenally gifted. Okay. Yeah. In some ways, but everybody's got gifts and everybody's got drawbacks.

And a lot of the things I do today, I was not good at the first day I walked in the door. So like endurance was horrible for me to do that. Horrible. Horrible. It was the worst thing ever. You know, most 300 pound guys, it's just, it's just most the worst thing ever. You know, most 300 pound guys,

it's just the most horrible thing ever. And because of the car accidents and stuff I had, I just literally like woke up as a fat kid out of body cast as a kid. And like my endurance was just gone, which is horrible. I was pretty strong, but didn't have that. So I had to learn that.

I had learned to run better and I had to learn that flexibility wasn't natural to start with. And accuracy was terrible to start with. And I said that to say, progressive building of these blocks allows you to do some amazing things if you just don't quit like that's one of the big messages i try to get to the average person and also amongst us as well let's turn one of the things i talk about is like we all think we're bad to the bone

i'm pretty tested you know what i'm saying like we all think we're like stupid tough about absolutely everything and like i can lift this therefore i can lift that no not necessarily skipper not you know well and i'll tell you what what taught me some of those lessons okay is like you okay so i did a little fighting i did some martial arts i did some i sort of got in taekwondo as a kid for rehab after a car accident. But later on, I pick it up again in my adult life and in the early days of the UFC. And if you can't tell by now, I'm one of those guys who like see something as a challenge and be like, yep, I got to do that.

And then in my watch, that's the most dangerous thing I ever say is let me ask you a question. And like, that's, if I ask that, that means I've already thought through. I'm about to try this thing. So usually that brings up with something on fire or bleeding or whatever, but it is what it is. So we all think we're tough, okay? And you can be the biggest, baddest, strongest guy on the planet. And if you don't know what you're doing as a fighter, you'll be dangerous for about 60 seconds.

And then you're really, really, really not dangerous at all because you won't know how to protect yourself. You won't know how to relax. You won't know how to, you see what I mean? There are so many things we think we have skill. And one of the reasons you see me do such a wide variety of things is I want to find out what I really, really can do. I don't want to subjectively think, okay, because I can lift this, I can lift that. Because if you've ever done this, okay,

we'll probably all know some guys who are really good stone lifters who aren't great barbell deadlifters, and the really great barbell deadlifters who aren't great stone lifters. And they do play and help each other, but until you try one or the other, you don't know how good you are. The flip side of that is when you know you have a deficiency, it's something you can get much better at it. And you can do some amazing stuff. Like I'm doing stuff today. If you'd asked me 10, 20 years ago, I would have thought nobody,

you know, that's not possible or no, you can't, you know, unless you're just a freak gifted at something, but it really is. If you just learn to train and learn to give yourself time to practice and play with it and have fun with things and,

you know, and your wife doesn't throw you out the back yard on fire. That's what I was going to say. One of my personal favorite things you've ever done is you were doing an extremely heavy yoke walk you might remember the weight of it and it sticks

out to me so much because you're of course wearing the Massonomics blue lift shirt while you're doing it and it was flaming and by the you know it starts off I think maybe you had to make a couple runs because it was an extremely heavy yoke I can't remember how much it was but by the you know it starts off i think maybe you had to make a couple runs that because it was an extremely heavy yoke i can't remember how much it was but by the end of it it took that well your entire yard was flaming yeah yeah the yoke was a thousand pounds but the really hard part is that okay so i had a thousand pounds on the yoke but i was actually dragging at 150 pounds

which is what was just killing me it was murdering like it was it made me take several trips and just for the visual fun of the whole thing i had with the yoke on fire yeah well it also happened to be during a pretty dry moment the whole yard was black dripping off the end of the yoke and by the end of this like when the video is all sped up together and i've gotten like three or four attempts it takes to get the yoke as far as i wanted to go yeah it literally looks like I lit the whole world. Scorched earth. Yeah.

I remember when you filmed that video, Tanner's like, Oh, you got to see this. And like, we're like, well, that's crazy.

Like no weight. And then I just kept like more and more fire. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the fire is like just exponentially gets like stupid. It hurts to be like, geez, it's funny too.

And it just happened to be like it was a perfect storm of like dry grass and like dripping fire off that thing and it took me a second to get because i'd have to hit the yoke and get a few feet and go again hit the yoke get a few feet go again and dragging that tire was just murdering me with that heavy with a yoke that heavy and uh well but it was a great video yeah it was a great video we love it uh we like there's no way we're going to get to everything we wanted to talk to you about we might have to have you on again but there was one other thing i was going to mention you were on did have a scene on america's got talent i don't know if we ever mentioned that when you're that's worth noting we got to say that and then also what the one thing i was wondering is is there a competition that would ever come up that would pique your interest enough to beat like say it was some strongman competition could you ever see yourself doing something like that or do you just not really have interest in that

would you rather um you know you know okay so for me competition is a little bit like you know you've been around somebody who played football for a long time and like they always feel like man i'd like to go back and try one more season kind of a you know what i'm saying uh like occasionally it crosses my mind to do a powerlifting competition or to do a uh strongman competition or whatever but like honest to honest to God, the last few ones I did, I was so wrapped up with life and the other stuff I was doing. Like, okay, I went to the WNTF World Championships on like two weeks notice. And the last strongman I did, I found out about it a week before

and just went and did it. I just didn't. It does, but honestly, I'm so wrapped up in competing against myself and breaking my own and in breaking ground on what's possible. Like I've got ideas of things that are combined and more, a more normal competitive element of what other people do as sport, but like combine them in into multiple things wrapped up in one day. Like, uh, um, I have ideas about like doing a super heavy lift

in a much more conventional way than i normally do it and then adding a marathon to it or adding like a rowing or rowing of 26 miles or riding a bike 100 miles or something like that i mean like something along the lines of that. I have an idea. Nobody's ever done this that I know of is to do 50 feet of strength in one day, which would be pretty crazy. And then I actually have another crazy idea that a really, really nutcase when I'm up, this is the next one I really want to pull off is I want to hold a

motorcycle ramp off. Somebody jumps a motorcycle. That, that one has the uh shock factor to it yeah yeah um for me i i don't know it'd have to be i mean as far as just regular competition competition i don't know plus i honestly don't know that i would want to okay step back and specialize long enough to really you know what i'm saying like to really go um maybe uh you know it's one of those things where you never know really, you know what I'm saying? Like to really go, um, maybe, uh, you know, if that's one of those things where I, you never know. And I, you know, and if something really hammers my interest and I'll, and I,

like I get these ideas in the back of my head and they just won't go away. Well, if that happens, then you'll see me do something or do, um, whatever. I, it probably would be a good thing from business wise for me just because so many of the people who know me today, they always ask me that question. Why don't you compete in college? Why don't you compete strong, man? I was.

I did that. Yeah. I did that already, but it just happened because, it happened before the internet, because, like, you're not old enough to know that there was a time prior to the internet when, like, you know, you couldn't just access information and things had to be, you know what I'm saying?

It wasn't like that. But I'm 46. I was competing at 14 years old. That's 32 years ago. And then competed. And I did the early, early strongman contest. I did one of the first strongman contests in America post to when the original world's strongest man fell apart and moved to Europe. And then when they first started to revive it.

And I was the first state chairman for NASS in Florida. And, you know, so like most of the kids today are like, man, you can compete. I'm like, dude, I did, but it's before, you know, it's back when the hieroglyphics were going on and you had to speak to your neighbors in person and like

you couldn't, you know. Okay, so the America's Got Talent thing, that actually is kind of funny. I think it's funny, anyway. And actually, that's probably a good one. That's a signature feat for me, the feat that got featured on that. But what happened with this, like, America's Got Talent, I actually called my buddy, Dennis Rogers, and Dennis is the most successful professional performing strongman ever.

Like, he's done more appearances than anybody. He's been on TV more than anybody he had. He's the perfect storm of doesn't look like a strongman and can do psychotic stuff. He got famous for old. He was 128 pounds and held back two T-34 military trainer planes at the same time.

He was a world arm wrestling champion. He's just a phenomenal, phenomenal guy. That was his major adult career as a performing strongman. Anyway, they called him, but he was actually trying to get ready to retire. He's like, I don't know what I'm going to do this. And it doesn't pay. It doesn't help me. I've already done.

I'm not going to do anything for me. And like, the reality is, okay, there's been a couple of strongmen on, but you can't win. You can't, I can't, you know, nobody's going to pay. Like, I love our sport, but like, let's be real. Like. We're always going to be a little bit barstool, backyard kind of a... That's just the truth. We're not going to... We're never going to supplant the NFL. It's not going to happen. We're not going to...

Nobody's going to stop watching Celine Dion so they can watch a guy lift a stone. It's not... Well, one of us. Normal people ain't going to turn off mainstream entertainment to hang out with us. But at the time, I was also kind of know, kind of at the end of my, doing some anti-bullying stuff, and it could be good for us. I'm like, I'll give it a shot.

And so they called me in, and it's kind of a formality. Like, if they call you, it's a formality as far as, like, getting past the interview process, but you have to go and just show them. Anyway, so I went and did that, and then I went to the live thing in L.A., and the whole thing is a way different thing than you think it is it's you know you gotta remember this is a tv show not a competition really right right so they're picking and choosing who they want and they're moving things along as they as they want or whatever so i spent three days in la uh did the live show did perform on the live show got four unanimous yes votes, including Simon Cowell.

Oh. And had an entire rapport with him, which was hilarious, actually, on the playback of it, which I wish they had shown back because, okay, so he's the one who actually spoke to me the most during the whole interview process. And, okay, I'm Southern boy. I call everybody, sir. So I answered and said, yes, sir. And this guy, you know, he's like, dude,

don't call me, sir. And like, I can't stop it, dude. You understand? Like I'm not, I'm not calling you, sir, because I particularly respect you. I'm calling you, sir. Because I have 30 years of my mother and father saying you will address everybody as sir. Yes, sir. No, sir. Yes. And Pam, no, man. You know, I'm like, and I'm like, and like, he said, okay, don't call me, sir. I said, yes, sir. And it kind of became this little running joke back and forth. He's like, and I literally explained that to him.

I said, listen, man, you got to understand this. I can't turn off. This is my mother will call me if I didn't say yes, sir. He's like, don't worry, dude. I'll talk to your mom. Just mother will call me if i didn't say yes sir he's like don't worry dude i'll talk to you mom just don't call me but anyway i got four unanimous yeses and got edited out of the show because they reserve okay you gotta remember they they put 50 of the spots for acts that they think actually could go to vegas and then they put 50 of the spots for idiots who don't have any,

who don't know that they shouldn't be there. That's part of the show. That's a big part of their show is booking terrible stuff. Right. So people will laugh at it or so people will, you know, we'll think it's crazy or they'll have something to do. So I didn't get on and I, and so I, and okay, I quit watching the show. Like I watched it, but they don't tell you, they don't even, they don't tell you don't tell anybody what's going on. And so the episode I should have been in, I quit watching the show. Like I watched it, but they don't tell you, they don't even, they don't tell you, don't tell anybody what's going on.

And so the episode I should have been in, I wasn't on, so I just didn't watch the rest of the season. Well, at the very end of the season, I got like six phone calls. It's the finale of the show. And they're like, dude, you're on TV, you're on TV. I'm like, what are you talking about? You're like, you're on America's Got Talent.

What are you talking about? We'll go back and I, we missed it. I wasn't even there. I wasn't home or whatever. And I go back and look it up. And the feat I did is I got four of the judges. I got Nick Cannon and three of the judges, Heidi Klum, Mel B, and Tyler Mandel. I put a bar on my shoulders, and I got all four of them to grab the bar, and I picked all four of them up at the same time and spun around with them.

With their body weights and the bar, it was 600 pounds, and I spun around with them about three or four times and put them down as part of the show. And they pulled off a two-second clip and replayed it a couple of times as part of Nick Cannon's

wildest moments of the year. And the whole thing. Now Mel B just about, Mel B just about busted my eardrum. Because the way I had it set is she was to my left and Heidi Klum

was to my right and then on the outside was Nick Cannon and on the outside was was Allie Mandel because that kind of

balances things puts the guys they're about the same body weight put them on the outside the girl puts them about 10 body weight on the inside and

but when I picked them up and started to spin you know you remember she's a professional vocalist well she's about 6 inches from my ear. Yeah.

And she screamed. And I'm telling you, like, straight up, like, for, like, 30 seconds, could not hear out of my left ear. Because, like, it was insane. It was just, it was a wild experience where, you know, you go and meet all these people. And, like, Heidi Klum was super freaking cool, like there like super north almost normalish like i didn't even and

like i'm not real celebrity-ish so i didn't hardly even like i walked by her and didn't know her and uh but it was cool it was one of those things and uh one of those you know kind of little tv moments that you you know's a bizarre afterthought in the life that I'm living but a fun little thing alright bud we have this game we like to play with every guest that we have on it's called

overrated or underrated and I don't know if you're familiar with it but we've got a small series of topics that we handpick for you and we'll go through them and you just got to decide if they're overrated or underrated and you can elaborate on that as much as you want to or you can just give a straight answer. Whatever you want to do, you answer it however you want to, but you do have to decide overrated or underrated. You don't get to ride the line in

between. So that's where it gets challenging sometimes okay okay so if you're ready here topic number one overrated or underrated and this is for the man that lives an unconventional life an unconventional lifestyle the topic is conventional deadlifts overrated only because only because you need to find the deadlift that fits your body type so i would rather you deadlift like it was kind of like i said before it doesn't really matter so much which press you do if you do if you build up to a big one-arm press or two-arm barbell press or bench press or incline press or dips, you're still going to have a big, powerful upper body. If you do stiff-legged deadlifts or rack pulls or stone lifts or conventional deadlifts or sumo deadlifts, if you get up to a big pull and you do the one that fits your body best,

you're still going to be as muscular as possible. And I have a real issue with people saying, you have to do this lift this way. There are hundreds of body types, and sometimes what they do is they confine people to, you've got to do this lift. If you're not doing this lift, you're doing it the this way. There are hundreds of body types. And sometimes what they do is they confine people to, you got to do this lift. If you're not doing this lift, you're doing it the wrong way. You're evil. You're an infidel. Your taxes are going to go up. Your neighbors are going to hate you. And what they do is they stick people with a movement that actually hurts them when

they could get the same benefit out of a similar movement that worked in a better range of motion or a better leverage for that particular person and get the same muscular benefit in the real world without the damage um for my money for that particular way of looking at it that's overrated all right that's good yeah that all makes sense to me yeah topic number two overrated or underrated training outdoors underrated bizarrely underrated and then you guys knew that i was going to answer that that way i kind of figured that one would be that way yeah that's what i'm hanging through bro that's not even you know uh i love it i absolutely love it i'll tell you why you're breathing better air you're i think we don't spend near enough time as

humans outside we're not free enough to move and And like for me, dude, you know, nobody's going to let me go into Globo gym and light it on fire. I think there's actually science about that as far as like the air and the sunshine and the, um, the grounding, like you see people seem to be training barefoot all the time and they give me crap about it all the time. Cause camera angles always makes it look like I dropped things like next to my toe i really am i'm much much smarter than that i promise i'm i'm an absolute wild man don't get me wrong i will do some reckless things but i'm not stupid

about where i put my feet or where i drop things you know what i'm saying like i'm paying attention um i do think there's legitimate science to that actually though to being barefoot and the grounding i also think you are you're so much better off to react to the elements of heat, cold, wet, dry, uneven ground as far as strengthening the feed and that kind of thing, as far as just general body and livelihood toughness and an actual vital type humanity.

I think we're much better off to train outside, but at least as much as is conveniently possible. Yeah, awesome. Okay, topic number three. This is something that you do, and it's a topic not only because you do it, but it's also become recently much more extremely popular amongst the general population.

So overrated or underrated hatchet throwing? What, hatchet throwing? Yeah, hatchet throwing. Actually, I would probably ride the line on this one but i'm gonna say it's under i'm gonna say it's underrated now i would have ridden the line because i will i think throwing itself is underrated um i think it's a very primal skill and because action hatchet throwing has become popular, it's an easy way for us to reaccess those roots as humans. You know, being able to throw things, being able to shoot things, we wouldn't be alive today. We wouldn't have survived the time period of, you know, actually living with wild animals and that kind of thing or warring tribes if we didn't have that skill.

I think it accesses areas of our brain that we don't do. that skill. I think it accesses areas of our brain that we don't do. And flowing, whether light or heavy, is actually one of the best speed training and accuracy training movements that you can do, which, okay, that's a new neural pathways for most people. That's brain activation. That's muscular activation in a very different way. Plus, it's just freaking fun, dude.

I'm sorry, but, like, you know, like, there's just something manly about, you know, growing your beard, drinking a beer, growing an eye and stuff. It just is. I mean, that's just, and we about, you know, growing your beard, drinking a beer and throwing it out and stuff. It just, it just is. I mean, that's just, and we're lacking in that for sure. So yeah, it's underrated. All right, good. Okay. Your last topic for overrated, underrated. We know you're a Florida man and you do a lot of different athletic feats. It's question questionable whether this particular thing is athletic or not.

It's, it's a little ways down the road from you in Florida, but overrated or underrated, the Daytona 500. Again, I would ride the line on that. I straight word only because I have a close friend who races cars, but he races small track. And that's actually awesome for me personally. Daytona is a little overrated. Um, but now that's living in Florida. Okay. So like, I like, okay. Like Daytona, the city is cool, but it's not, it's not the beach I would choose to hang out at. Um, and I'm not 20. So I'm not looking for, you know, spring break girls and that kind of thing.

Um, the, uh, the race itself spring break girls and that kind of thing. The race itself is awesome, don't get me wrong. But for me, I actually have a really good attention span. Like, I wrote one of my second or third books, I wrote it in one day. And that was a full hammered day. Like, that was what we did that so i actually had a good attention span however cars in a circle for that long a period of time you'll probably have me looking for step a lot in fire so it's not you see what i mean like maybe that one's a little

underrated however car racing itself or racing of any type like that's another thing for me that over the period of life i'm okay i want to be able to lift everything there is to lift do every major movement type um agility endurance type thing i want to be able to throw and accurate at absolutely everything i kind of want to be able to be the guy who could survive anything too so i want to be able to ride anything with air or drive anything with wheels it's going to mean that. Those things actually make a lot of sense to me. And like a small track and like four wheel, like we play around and race four wheels and dirt bikes on my property.

And that's, that's all kinds of fun. But for me, NASCAR is wonderful. That particular thing is a little too long for me. That's a touch overrated. Okay. I think that's a really good answer.

I think that's great. Yep. Uh, bud, that, that kind of brings us, I wouldn't say to the end of everything we want to know because we could probably talk to you for like three more hours here. We,

I don't know if we hardly, we hardly brush the surface on some of the questions we were even going to ask you, but we set it up for a sequel, right? Right. Yes. We, we set it up good for a sequel. And that's what, you know, I don't feel there's a, I'm sure there's a million more questions and I'll probably do something next week. I'll good for a sequel. Oh, yeah, listen, I'd love to come back, and that's what, you know, I'm sure there's a million more questions, and I'll probably do something next week that'll give you a question and you'll be like, oh, God, I love that.

And so we know you've got a website and stuff. I'm just wondering for people that maybe are listening that are new to you or haven't found you before, you're on Instagram website, where would you want people to look you up or find you? Okay, two websites. My personal website is an unconventional life.com. That's with one L. Okay.

So an unconventional instead of two L's for life is one L life.com. That is my basic website. That's kind of my books and videos and all that stuff. And then our chili website, which is really what I care about. You go into, if you don't, even if you hate me for any other reason,

I'd prefer you go there. That you don't, even if you hate me for any other reason, I'd prefer you to go there. That's Noah's army foundation.com. And perhaps I can never remember if that's.com or.org. Cause I've been hitting the head too many times. Okay. Um, so Noah's army foundation. Okay.

You can find that, Google it. That is much more important than even anything else that we do. Um, that's our charity that we do that supports police and fire and is against domestic violence. And we just try to take care of as many people as possible and remember to our son.

As far as finding me, you know what? I hate this crap, okay? Like if you have a company like Massonomics, that's awesome. Like if you're like, if you have,

if you're just some private individual and you call yourself, you have if you're just some private individual and you call yourself you know uh you know vegetable boy the awesome guy or whatever like you have some made-up stupid name i hate that crap i will buy my name so if you want to find me on facebook or find me on instagram or find me on tiktok it's bud jeffries it's my name um and you can find me in all those places and uh love to have you know new people or whatever

and I try to interact as much as as intelligent with the other business and stuff I think to do in life and if you want to find me those are the easiest places

to find any of my products any of my stuff and hopefully in the next year we'll be doing more live stuff and live seminars and and I'll even have

some few a few TV surprises and some other things and hopefully another you know whole year of wild pizza strength and not even have some few, a few TV surprises, um, and some other things. And hopefully another, you know, whole year of wild piece of strength and, uh, you know,

pushing forward, uh, what humans can do and having fun hanging out with dudes like you. Awesome. We're definitely looking forward to that. One rapid fire question is bud, your real name. No,

it's not. You don't have to disclose it. I will just, I don't care. I don that guy yeah i'm not that guy if you got a problem with me i'm easy to find i'm not that you're not going to do anything with me my my actual legitimate my legal name is william okay but i like literally no one on the planet calls me will, not my mother, not any, and not, and has not since I was able to like learn, like literally since I was a baby, they gave me that nickname because I had a grandfather on either side of my

family that went by bud and they started calling me bud. And I literally all through high school, I didn't, I never wrote my legal name. My first bank account didn't have my legal name. That's good. I'm bud. I just, you know, my, my one government name is William's good. So, I'm Bud, I just,

you know, my one government name is William, so that's who I am. Okay. All right. Well, thank you,

William, for being on the show. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Bud. If you realize, if you call me and say that, I'll be like,

who are you? Okay. If you call my mother and ask her, William, she won't, she'll be like, who are you talking to? All right.

Well, we appreciate it. We'll stay in touch. All right, man. Thanks, man. I'll do it again. We'll hang out and do some school stuff. I'll see, but no, I'll do a live feed on the phone. I'll do a live feed on the phone.

We'll figure something out. I'll talk you through it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, bud. All right. Thanks guys. Appreciate it do a live feed on the phone. We'll figure something out. I'll talk you through it. Thanks, bud. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Have a good night. You too. Bud Jeffries. The one and only Bud William Jeffries.

Well, maybe that was the that might have been the biggest revelation of what we learned today. Yeah. Bud is not his real name. Right, right. But man, there is so much, just like what we thought going into it, there's so many things that you could talk to Bud about. It's kind of like the same thing with Donnie Thompson. It's like, oh, it feels like we just scratched the surface

of what's even there. Right, and especially if we were in person and sitting at the same table right now. I mean, the podcast would be five hours long. Yeah. I think that means we're interviewing good people. That's right. And that's how it goes.

Yeah. Well, if I could give that podcast two words, Yeah. I think that means we're interviewing good people. That's right. And that's how it goes. Yeah. Well that, if I gave, if I could give that a podcast, two words, I would just say cool beans. Cool beans. It was definitely cool beans.

It was cool beans. Yeah, it was cool beans. Uh, I suppose we better, better wrap it up. Yeah, this is getting long.

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