Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 239: Joe Sullivan

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

We bring on Joe Sullivan to discuss just about everything besides his training. This episode also has the details for our newest and biggest Massenomics contest.. The Lift Hard Live Easy Contest. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. Welcome back everyone to episode 239 of the Lifting Podcast About Nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. Tommy, my God, do we have a lot of things to talk about today? We do. We don't know how we're going to fit it all in here. That's what she said. She did say that. We already had to cut a few things off the list because we know there's not enough time. Hopefully the things that we have on the list, we will get through.

But we are not doing our duties of living up to the podcast about nothing. No. Have you ever watched The British Office? As long as we have so much stuff to talk about, let me start by actually some lighthearted banter. Before we get to your aunt, that's a cliff note, cliff, no,

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They have new stuff. Just to tease you, there's something different coming up. We're all about those teasers. But we won't get that until the middle of the show, so you better stick around until then. So, Tommy, as I was saying, have you ever watched The British Office? I've seen... Ricky Gervais.

Yeah, I've definitely seen the first episode and maybe just tiny little pieces of some after that. It was like when the office was first coming out, the office wasn't on Netflix, but the British office was. I like that. I want to watch the office. This is the original,

you know? And then you watch, it's like, Oh yeah, British. At least at the time, this was probably, I don't know,

eight years ago. Right. It was my early twenties. It's like, Oh, British humor is something that's very different than what I'm used to. I would say that, that is for sure a thing. It's very different than uh and that's what people

always talk about i'm no expert on it but they always say that the british version of humor is very like what depressing and self-deprecating and yeah for sure almost almost in line with massonomics really that's true i mean if you can't make fun of yourself how do you get away with making fun of other people and then and then just like commenting on the bleakness of life and well with everything going on you know with everything going on especially yeah it's it'll be nice though in uh 2021 in like what are we two and a half months and we can just flip the switch and everything's good again like oh nothing going on this year everything went on last year we got done with all that stuff nothing going on it's not so bad there's nothing going on in 2021 2020 took care of all of it for

us yeah yeah uh have you watched the british office i started i don't know if you're just starting with a question and you had no no no yeah just uh i'm like a comedian that only does the setup part and no punchline. No, I started watching it and I do like it. It's not, it's just, it is just different. And like, I'm not like some people, I picture them being like,

I like the, I don't like the American office as well. I like the British office. That's, you know, I'm like, yeah, shut up.

Like, you know, like I do like the American office probably still better, but the British office is also good. But that's the biggest thing is like yeah shut up like you know like i do like the american office probably still better but the british office is also good but that's the biggest thing is like it's dirty the american offices some episodes certainly are like borderline family appropriate television a lot of british office is like a little bit raunchier and drier and people are just like less Hollywood, like British, usually for American actors, like I'm not the person out there choosing them, but I can just tell like,

obviously like good looking people get preferent, like have a better chance of like being an actor. This is Hollywood. You should look good. Right. Right. Right. With British ones.

I'm like, no, I don't think that matters. The pool's too small. Yeah, yeah, we'll stick it. But it is interesting. It is good. It's just, it's old.

Yeah. You know, that's the other thing. Like the first seasons of the American Office, like, gosh, I forget how old this is. Like the phone that you're using. Aren't the first seasons of the American Office like 2004 or 5-ish? I think so, yeah, that's right.

So this would be close to the end of the 90s, I think. The 90s. That's a long time ago. But it is the awkward moments of The American Office where it's like, man, I feel awkward almost. It's worse than that because Ricky Gervais' character is so on. Michael Scott has some redeeming characteristics eventually where you're like, yeah, I kind of get it.

But like Ricky Gervais is like, no, you're like, no. It's just so much. So that's probably about enough of that. We got so much stuff to talk about. One more quick follow up. Speaking of like awkward moments, I did watch the new Borat. I watched the new Borat.

My wife watched it with me and there was multiple times where she had to do the, I can't, like, like Corinne Dean, like she couldn't watch it. It was too much because they do,

it's the Borat, you know, it's Borat. What do you expect? Yeah, I saw there's some Rudolph Giuliani stuff. Yeah, yeah. Regardless of your political party, you should be able

to be entertained. If you can't be entertained by it, then you're way too deep in a party of some kind. Very very not dissimilar to our silicone cups yes uh but uh i was entertained i thought it was funny i'm gonna walk and so did that just not go in movie theaters no it's just on amazon because movie theaters really aren't a thing anyways so they're like are there a few movies coming out again now maybe i don't know i don't really know i don't pay attention to that.

Not in that scene? Well, we don't really have a movie theater in our town to go to. Do we not have one anymore? I don't even know. I don't even know. Okay. I mean, we have one coming. Yeah, I was going to say. We have a new one coming.

I think supposedly our current one is going to be getting remodeled, but I think it's closed still. So I don't think you could go to a movie right now if you wanted to. But that shows how much we actually care. I know. Yeah. Well, they burned me so actually care. I know. Yeah. Well, they burned me so many times that I just. Fool us twice.

Shame on us. Strike through three. Shame on me. Let's do a can, Tanner, before we get too far into this. I don't know if you could hear on the microphone how thirsty I am. I could almost hear it whistling over there. Okay. There's sand.

Tanner, you need to not look this week, and you're in for a real treat. All right. Rice-a-roni, the San Francisco treat. Okay. Why don't you go ahead and pop that top? Ooh, it's tall and slow. Is this going to cut me?

Nope. You don't have to worry about being cut. Where's the lid, Tanner? Oh. Pop the top was quite the... Nope. You don't have to worry about being cut. Where's the lid? Where's the lid, Tanner? Oh. Oh. What is? Pop the top was quite the. There is no standard top.

There's a foil seal over the top. What's going on here? Is this something? Is this? Somebody didn't send us something again, did they? Nope. This is all me. So is this entire thing going to be open once I open this?

Nope. Okay. Nope. This is just purely decoration. This is. Yeah open this okay no this is just a this is just purely decoration this is uh yeah this is purely decoration this first part boy this could be hard and once you get you might have to look just to get that off yeah yeah i think i'm making progress okay so that's just an extra layer of packaging that's just luxury that is fancy and you know when it comes when it's in the sparkling water game half of the battle is just purely i would maybe even see 80 percent of the battle

that's true it is purely looking being fancy it's the feel of it all yeah i don't want to get any of that foil in my mouth so there is like a weird foil top that i had to get through yep now that you got to the foil top okay he's popped the real top i thought maybe it's going to be one of those like pineapple juice where you have to i didn't think about that until you said it i can see where okay so now i'm going to take a sip are you getting some flavor it tastes like a popsicle to me right away really popsicle yeah i think it tastes like a popsicle because it tastes like cherry to me which i usually i would have it if i were to have a popsicle i go for the red so that's probably the red one so i think it's cherry okay um let me smell this you know for a second i wondered if it had alcohol in it but i don't think it does okay

it's not i will tell you that because that's that's the other caveat sometimes that can really throw me off sometimes i'm like is that booze or you know um i feel like it's deeper than cherry like there's more to it there's a there's a full body yeah let me take one i gotta do one more one more because sometimes on the subsequent sips i pick up more you pick up more and more just beyond the surface yeah notes yeah i think it's cherry i'm just gonna say cherry a cherry sparkling water okay you ready for this yeah it is a s pellegrino dark morello cherry and pomegranate see i could yeah we don't know what it tastes like right i am getting so much better at this than I used to be, though. You are. This one does, to me, have a fairly bold flavor compared to a lot of them.

This is extremely fancy, though. So did you take a look at the cap there that you peeled off? Oh, yeah. So is S. Pellegrino the fanciest? Could we say that? I don't know if this is or Perrier. I don't know what one is fancier. I don't know.

This is pretty fancy yeah there have been a few people like when we share the lacroix and all the sparkling water stuff that they say no s pellet grino is the i feel like this company's been around longer was this expensive relative to i think it was actually on sale at target but i think normally like an eight pack is like six bucks or something okay yeah it's not cheap in comparison it is the most expensive one i think that i that i ran across but i like the flavor yeah i think it's pretty my wife hates this one though really i thought it was pretty good i did have that cherry nailed though we i didn't know that it was morello cherry though i didn't i don't even sure is that a kind of cherry i guess i'll take their word for it and pomegranate yeah pomegranate certainly falls into those that cat

pomegranate is cucumber yeah pomegranate is a stereotypical sparkling you can just dump it in it's like sure i guess yeah that flavor is there be like if you had one what are all the flavors you just i want one sparkling water that's cucumber pomegranate uh watermelon yeah yeah and cherry too yeah but very pretty good how many how many you give it i think um i know what i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give this one 3.5 it's not i'm gonna go i'm gonna go three and a half essentially our two ratings are either whether something's a four or three even though you can go one through five with half point increments we do three and a half or four pretty much yeah without outside of like uh what's that kind of

beverage that i think tastes like crap that it's not a sparkling water kombucha yeah yeah i'm like that is not a three nap give that a pretty bad yeah i think i might give that one a three maybe but i don't really know how people like that. I don't know either. I guess it's not me. It's not my bag, baby. Speaking of bags, is that a good? I think that's a great transition.

That's a good segue. And I'm not talking about the little mall cop thing that you ride around on. Be cooler if you did. What movie is that from? Be a whole lot cooler if you did though. Is that Matthew McConaughey? Yeah, we're going to start doing some Matthew McConaughey quotes. Yeah, because he asked if you got any weed.

Be a lot cooler if you did. Yes, they do. So this is a sack segment segment if you couldn't guess by how early just earlier when i said it was a sack segment yeah this should help there we go now you know it's a sack segment this is a pretty cool one okay we i was thinking today we've had some pretty cool sack segments we have we have gotten a lot of cool stuff the sack segment has been on fire and this is not to disappoint is what else what i'll tell you there okay this i'll tell you who it's from it's our friends at nightmare muscle oh um out of their cali boys so that they don't really know this western northeast south dakota life but it's a different lifestyle out here but i think what they know is that it

gets a little chilly in western northeast south dakota in the wintertime actually just in the fall or even just really just most whenever it wants to i don't know two days ago it was five degrees tomorrow it's going to be 55 degrees yeah and i'm not and not that long ago a couple days ago before that even wasn't it like negative 10 yeah or the feels like temperature isn't like negative 10 so it basically yesterday was zero tomorrow is going to be 55 yeah just a modest 55 degree swing that's all it is today was a transitional day where it's like ah today is kind of the zero to 55 is a much warmer feeling than when it goes from like negative 30 to 20 yeah that one happens to also a 50 degree swing but there it just goes from being like so cold it hurts to like i guess it's cold kind of still i really don't like the

so-called it's hurts like this these this zero-ish wasn't quite there for me it's more like whoa where i open it up and i'm like oh yeah i need a coat today because some days i'm like like today i'm like yeah i don't really need a coat i just no no like it's like 35 degrees like yeah I don't really need a coat but when I walk out of the door at like seven and I'm like oh yeah like and you know how also people talk about you know it's it's not the it's not the dry heat it's that it's that humidity that gets you yeah here it's not even so much the cold it's that wind that gets that is exactly right that wind is killer exactly right but i said i didn't wear a coat today if i would open the sack already i might have oh because what the boys at this is yours i believe here nightmare muscle legit style sent us okay there's also some stickers here i

think that they sent along with. Hella strong. Hella strong. And what are these? Keychains. Okay, so we got a black soft-shell jacket with Massanomics embroidered on the back. Wow. Very cool. Pretty sick.

Very cool. It seems to be a pretty nice jacket. Yeah, this would hold up to a lot of the elements here pretty well, I think, Tanner. Yeah. They said, boys, we just wanted to show some love. We got zippers. Can you hear that? That's zippers.

They did say that maybe one of the sizes was wrong or something, but I tried mine on and it seemed right. And that one looked smaller so maybe that is a little smaller than what well we'll find out yeah yeah well we'll do a fashion show yeah they did say they would uh if that wasn't the right size they'll hook us back up but mine fits great i cheated and tried it on beforehand so wow very cool yeah the and it is a huge massonomics logo embroidered on the back and And I tried it out. And I'll be honest, I'm going to be wearing this jacket. Like, this isn't just a... This is awesome.

Yeah, this is very cool. Yeah. Sweet. This is a jacket that I'm going to be wearing. Got the hood up there. Really protect you from the elements here. Yeah. In western northeast South Dakota.

In the western section. The western portion of northern east. Of northeast South Dakota. Yeah. Wow. Very cool. Thanks a lot, guys. That's... western section portion of the northern region of north east south dakota yeah wow very cool thanks a lot guys that's nightmare muscle boys hooking it up so yeah nightmare muscle on instagram i think it's just at nightmare muscle if you look that up i don't know if it's any different than that i also have a shop you can go on yeah buy some gear and if you um yeah you can buy their gear and they also do they make like if you're their gear and they also do, they make, like if you're hosting meets and doing stuff like that, they make a ton of like banners, big banners and flags.

We have two pretty awesome banners in the gym that they. The enormous ones. If you've ever seen videos or pictures from our gym, we have a huge black one that's like the massonomics plate art, you know, like. It's not the vinyl that everyone puts on. This is like the heavy duty cloth. Like, yeah, it's not cloth, but. It the vinyl that everyone knows on this is like the heavy duty cloth like yeah it's not cloth but it's like it's a fabric yeah yeah yeah but it's like heavy like it's not see-through or anything it's no it's uh it's the real thing the other one is a giant red one that says like massonomics it has you know it's that uh stencil massonomics logo it really

ties the room together and they made both of those and they make a lot of people that have like backdrops for lifting and stuff they make like almost all yeah there's a good chance that if you've seen any meat take place in the past like a year and a half any big meat that they probably did some type of printing for it so i'd say if you're like going to be running a meat or have anything to do with it they'd be good ones to contact too to uh yeah some of that promo stuff yep hooked up so yeah thank you nightmare muscle awesome that was a cool sack segment yeah very cool and i'm just what like i was saying we've gotten a lot of cool things in our sack we have over the last month i like this trend so keep them coming yeah don't

break that streak okay tanner next on our list of things we got to hammer through in about the next 10 minutes yeah do we want to in about the next 10 minutes. Do we want to talk about the, since we're talking about new stuff, do we want to talk about the new thing at the gym? We might have to just briefly talk about that. We will talk about this more probably like next week, maybe two weeks. But yeah, this will be talked about more in a future episode. But we do have to mention. We do have to mention because of what it is. The Massanomics has the most ballinist combo bench rack from go strong in the gym now and it's

uh it's pretty amazing looking like you got to check it out on we have it on our instagram they have it on theirs too um so it's like this is actually what the color is called i would just say it's candy apple red right it's like when you talk about a car being candy apple red it is this color it's like this really deep rich red yeah but it's got the sparkle flake in it too my metallic flake whatever they call it i'm definitely messing up messing up the but that's a technical term description it's like a color you would see on like a classic car or maybe like a boat like they don't make they don't make cars this color no no right right and then it's got the um contrasting white with it but it's not just white it's glow-in-the-dark white because glow-in-the-dark white paint exists i didn't know

that was a thing me either until now and it looks yeah it looks amazing it has the massonomics uh branded nameplate underneath the bench on both sides there's uh there's even an m behind like at the head of the bench too, isn't there? Yeah, there is. Which is crazy. Like underneath where your head would sit. I didn't know that was even a thing. And then there's just like, it's one of those things you just have to like sit there and like analyze every detail of it because there's so much stuff going on.

That is the truth. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean like there's just so many like spots of like craftsmanship and detail. Craftsmanship really is the perfect word for it too. And the Massanomics gym has, I i think a pretty decent collection of of we have some really nice benches yeah from big manufacturers and we have two benches that are both from elite fts and i still think they're incredible benches amazing benches uh up until now i thought they would be the nicest possible bench you could ever get and now looking at them it's like okay functionally they do basically the same thing but damn this other bench is so over engineered and aesthetically

is on a completely different level like it doesn't even feel like it's the same product anymore it doesn't it doesn't it is crazy oh it is so cool we put it together today and and the pack it comes in a crate like i mean like i mean i didn't see in person i just saw the picture you had but multiple uh you know there's multiple different screws and bolts that you had to disassembly and like the packaging that it comes in it comes in packaged in a way like the parts are bolted to the inside of the crate and spots and the packaging is like that yes the packaging is not is like insane, actually. Like I'm going to be keeping that crate.

Like I don't know that I'm going to use it. Like someone in my family is going to be using that as like, because it is like this well-built crate on top of a pallet. Like it works perfectly for storage and stuff like that. Yeah, that's awesome. But my point with there, it's just like all the way from the packaging on up it's just insanely it's different than the any other experiences of i've had with other pieces of equipment like it came a couple days prior and i hadn't even opened up yet and someone

asked me well how can you stand not opening i'm like well it's going to be an experience just opening that like it's not a bar that i just open the cap and i'm like throw away the tube yeah i'm like that's going to take me an hour just to like get it out of there yeah there's like an unboxing that has to take place here actually there will be i i took video of the unboxing in the building i'm planning on doing a uh sped up video of that and see how that we'll see if that came out i didn't really look at the footage where did you put it together at in the gym you did i but i had to take it out i unboxed it at my house and put all the individual pieces in the back of the pickup drove to the gym i was wondering how you did that part yeah because that box wasn't going to be going down the stairs i

see i didn't think so but i and i was like well i don't think you would have like i don't even think you had a way to put the crate in your truck no no it would have required a forklift or a you know something with forks on it yeah so yeah we will talk about we have some stuff planned to talk about it more in in the next couple weeks here but yeah we do just got to give go strong a shout out because yeah we are now this is the first time we've seen one of their benches in person um they are popping up in more and more places but yeah they uh they do live up to the to the the hype for sure. And I did even get to use it today and I set it up and then I got to, even the J cups,

the, what do they call them? Uh, like the return rollers or whatever they are. They are, I get it. I get those now too. Like why people want those and why those are good.

Like those are really sweet. So yeah, we, we will have more coming on that soon, but we just wanted to at least get that much of it out now. Until then, you guys got to hold off. Yeah. But it's freaking sweet.

Yeah, it is. It is like the coolest piece of equipment I have ever seen. Yeah. And Ghost Strong even mentioned it themselves. They said this might be the coolest looking combo that they've ever built. Before we move on, I did forget though. So on their posts and ours, there was quite a few comments. a lot of them along the lines of like oh this is where all that lifts towards money is going things like that which are funny um there is maybe you know who

was i think it was brofress professor stevens uh he said wait you're telling me you just slapped a logo on a bench and charge more it's like oh that is so because that's that is what it is you put a logo on a bench and charge more for it but yeah it's so funny how like that applies to almost everything yeah it's like everyone's doing that that's what people do you put a logo on something and charge more for it like that is how almost yes almost so much of the merchandising world works it all goes back to the lift shorts it does how many degrees of separations things are from lift shorts about one is all yeah it's usually always just that same one is it decorated or does it make money yeah it's related to the left shorts i guess then

can you complain about it it's the left shorts yeah yeah uh do we got to talk about did we talk about last week the person complaining about the right wrong side history well we didn't we brushed on it but it had it's really developed into more since then is the thing you know it's like it was just it was taking shape days i can't even remember what well that's just that ball is rolling downhill really quickly right now and really gaining steam and momentum that you know at this point everyone knows about the wrong side of history and the throwaway culture yes okay yeah we can talk about throwing culture yeah yeah we've gotten numerous videos of people throwing away their stuff yeah to want to buy more are disposable single-use cups because they're not made out of metal or glass but someone did make a funny comment about the

the combo rack too like ah i see you are getting stuff out made out of metal now you're getting away from throwaway culture yeah that's good so yeah that's that has that is obviously taking a life of its own as anyone anyone knows that follows Masonomics. And I don't know if I mentioned this on the podcast the other day too, but someone had a really funny comment to me. I think it was Brandon of PowerBellyGear. I think he said this to me that he's like, being in on Masonomics or following Masonomics and enjoying it

feels like being in on the largest inside joke of my life like that i'm in a in on this inside joke with thousands of other people and i'm like that is what massonomics is oh basically even the funniest part is like you know we kind of are like the two main brains behind it right but even then inside jokes happen outside of our control sometimes yeah they do kind of just like i guess there was an inside joke that i wasn't even in on but i feel like i am now right right that's happening more and more and it's so funny yeah that is really accurate though it's just this inside it actually has thousands of us and then like people come into say the

comments of instagram and you know they don't get it and it's like people go on and on about these inside jokes back and forth and you can tell the other people it. And it's like people go on and on about these inside jokes back and forth and you can tell the other people are like, what is this? What are you guys talking about? I don't quite get what's going on here, but it seems funny. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Like people are like, I don't get it, but I guess it's funny.

Yep. Yeah. Good stuff. Means you're in the right place. Okay. We have to – We got some exciting stuff coming. By the time this is coming out, if you're in the right place okay we have to we got some exciting stuff coming by the time this is coming out if you're an early listener this might be the most exciting part of the whole

podcast and we've had a lot of exciting stuff here so we have more exciting stuff coming but yeah this this could top it but um we should like we need to be it's like uh give me a hell yeah nope no massonomics okay they all make some noises yeah we have a new massonomics contest Nope. Nope. Masonomics. Okay. They all make sense. So we got some noises. Yeah. We have a new Masonomics contest coming, and this is the Lift Hard Live Easy contest.

And we are excited about this one. We've done two Masonomics contests in this style so far. Jefferson Deadlift League and then the stimulus package. Yeah, stimulus package. And so now. And then the, uh, stimulus, the stimulus package. Yeah. Stimulus package. And, uh, so now the,

the third in the series here, the massonomics lift hard, live easy contest. Uh, we are, we go, we are going to be doing a contest where we want you to do a video of you lifting hard and living easy.

Yeah. And it, the, the main rule here is that you have to make a video showing how you do those two things, lift hard and live easy. And it has to be under a minute in length. Yeah. A minute or less. Because we have to be able to fit it on Instagram so we can show it to people. Right. And the Instagram doesn't like the IGTV things near as well. So you got to keep it to a minute somehow. And for your

own good too, more people can see it too. So yeah, you got to keep it under a minute so that it can fit on a single IG post. But yeah, we want to see how you guys are lifting hard, living easy. So do you think they could only, could they show us either just how they lift hard or just how they live easy? Or does it kind of need to be both? I think you got to have a little bit of both. I mean, it's all about the yin and the yang here, Tanner. You got to have the balance.

Just lifting hard. Yeah, that's cool. A lot of people just lift hard. And a lot of people, if they don't lift hard, just live easy. Yeah, right. But we want to see how you do both. Yeah, we have a special breed here of people doing both. And so we need to get that captured.

And what are you going to get for winning this? Ah, that's probably the... And this is where... How do we follow up the medium-sized check? How do you follow up a a very very medium size 500 check the value is not so medium but the check itself was yeah okay i think this prize is this might be our best prize package yet right so for for awarding this this is one single prize you get both you get both these things here for for the lifting hard component you will be receiving

a brand new Texas power bar. Right. Now, that's pretty cool. That is very cool. We've been lifting hard on Texas power bars since almost day one at the Masonic gym. Since like 1980. Yes, since like 1980. Yes.

They are virtually maintenance free. And they are strong as a house. And we're not just saying these things because they're actually true. It is the truth. And we love Texas power bars. It is still my go-to bar in the gym just because they're tried and true and they work great. Yup.

So you get a Texas power bar, but you say, but I also live easy. What do I get for living easy? Cause the Texas power bar fulfills the living hard. Yeah. The, the,

the, the need to live hard, but what says living easy? Nothing says living easier than a 75 gift certificate to applebee's and that is what you will be getting to so after you're done that's not a joke yeah that's not a joke so after you're done i mean it's funny but it's power bar through its paces you can hop in the car go to applebee's with your 75 gift certificate and just, I mean, an apple be 75 bucks goes quite a ways. We did the math on it. We said, how, what, how much does the gift card have to be for at least

you and one other person to go to apple bees and have a sweet living easy night? How, how, how much does it need to be to just leave, live easy as hell for one night? It's like, and you could, you could have a good time at Applebee's for 20 bucks, right? Yes, you could, but I have commercials on TV, but at $20 to live easiest, it's, it's fun and you could you could have a good time at applebee's for 20 bucks right yes you could but i have commercials on tv but at 20 to live easiest it's it's fun to do it with someone else so we figure you want to at least have one other person to not even think about the money right just to be like 75 appetizer yes like tonight we get the appetizer the eight dollar drink like i'll do like four give me a couple yeah yeah so so that's that's where the 75 comes in i think you can live extreme you will live high on the hog as easy as possible for one night at applebee's

and then when you're done with that you can get right back after it with your texas power bar yep god that is a great prize package that is sweet i'm already jealous of whoever wins that one that is kind of the problem our prize packages are getting so good i'm like i kind of want another texas power bar like yeah we don't even have an applebee's in our town but that would be a great reason to leave town to go to applebee's yeah just to live easy closest one's two hours away i'd make small price to pay to live easy very small price to pay so we're not saying we are excluded from possible winning and and i and also keep in mind there will be runners up like we don't really have us i don't know if we have a specific number of but you know we're gonna throw yeah and that

number even if we'd have a specific we never we'd ever do yeah there will be definitely runners up so if you don't if you don't win don't think you're out you'll definitely have some uh some apparel gear things i would guess we'll probably pick about 10 10 other people outside of the grand prize that all get some stuff. Yeah, there usually is a bare minimum of five. Yeah. And it usually inflates to 10. Right, because we're like, yeah, some of these are just so good.

We feel guilty if we don't give them something. They put in too much work to not be rewarded. So fall into that category of us thinking, ah, they did too much for us to not give them something. So I'm kind of expecting a lot out of some of these return uh well some people definitely set the bar and i developed a bit of a reputation so right but if you're so don't feel discouraged though if you haven't won in the past because like i said there is gonna even if you're not going to be the grand prize winner you got a good chance at getting free stuff still and it's just the fun i don't know if you've looked like yeah we have some pretty we do and the coolest part really is just being a part of yes other another inside thing yep you'll get shared yeah um yep you can uh you can uh cement your spot in the uh mass and

the infamous video submission gallery that we have going so yeah yeah uh full details on it though will be on instagram when do we about think it's going to start though like monday we're gonna put out so about when this comes out well yeah what is that november first second that sounds a boot right um second or second yeah and we'll probably run it for two weeks so through like the 13th 14th yeah and then announce it later in the week yeah um yeah full details will be on instagram look at the post as far as tagging us and hashtags and making sure the video's under a minute and all that good stuff. But, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. You pretty much do a video.

Lifting hard, living easy. Keep it under a minute. Tag us. Get the hashtag on there. Probably lift hard, live easy, and we'll get you in the running. And, Tanner, I think I can speak for the both of us when I say I'm very excited to see what's going to come of that. I am too.

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Hello, hello. Joe, you are live on the Massanomics podcast with Tanner and Tommy. We're excited to have you on this week. Hey, I'm excited to be on here. The only reason I was like, to let everybody know, I texted whoever I was talking to, and I'm like, yo, are we going to go or whatever? Because it's like, bro, it's 943 at night. I'm normally winding down at this time. I got Bob's Burgers paused on the TV, just kind of chilling in my recliner right now.

And now we're about to extremely wind you up. Oh, I'm sure. The winding line is going to change in a hurry. What is a day in my life without me getting ungodly pissed off? You thought you were going to make it through one. You're probably actually pretty safe because we almost make a an intentional point of we we so rarely talk about anything serious so you're probably you're probably in for a treat here today i think i mean that's solid too man

yeah uh we did have to uh call in a pinch hitter for you last week nobody listening really knows this but uh we were going to talk to you last week and it ended up not working out for the time and everything. So last minute we called Dan Bell and he took your spot. So he had big shoes to fill, but he did all right. He's a big man to fill those shoes, so I'm pretty sure that was fine. Yeah.

No, that's cool. I love Dan. I wish I knew him better honestly like i every time i speak with them it's like a solid interaction dude is uh funny as fuck solid as fuck well i i i don't think you guys have sworn yet so i'm swearing i'm sorry um you know no you want on yeah yeah okay i don't know okay okay i don't know i was just like wait these guys haven't said anything yet so i don't know if i'm supposed to do this no you're right but i don't know. Okay. Okay. I don't know. I was just like, wait, these guys haven't said anything yet. So I don't know if I was supposed to do this, but I don't want to give away anything too important,

but there's more to come on that specifically in the questions for you later. So that that's great. Awesome. I guess. Um, sweet, but yeah, Dan is a great guy. I wish I knew him better. He's, he's cool. So like, great. That's awesome. No. Yeah. You're, you're kind of wrong there. Once you first meet him, he does seem all right.

Once you get to know him better, he sucks. Oh yeah. So like every other human on the planet. Yeah, I get it. I get it. That's true.

Just like, Oh dude, this person is so great. And then you spend more time with them and it's like, Oh fuck, you have annoying traits too. You were just being cool. Cause we were,

we were new to each other. Now you're just like everyone else. Yeah have annoying traits too. You were just being cool because we were, we were new to each other. Now you're just like everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. No. So you did, you did just compete with Dan then too, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. We, both of us at the showdown. And you hit, he was in a, yeah. You hit a new world record, right? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I got the 822 record for the 220 weight class in sleeves. But I was saying, I love sharing the platform with all those guys, but when you're at a meet, you're really only worried about or really paying attention to the people in your flight. you know because like when you're not actually lifting you're either eating or resting or just doing shit pertaining to your own lifting so i was like i loved competing with dan but i was

like fuck i wish i got to actually see it more you know right right yeah uh you're too much in the zone you got someone's got to go squat that 822 pounds so it doesn't or like or lay down in between flights or eat or whatever you know right right um so you you are now i think has how long have you been running pinnacle performance tell us about that a little bit uh has it like been about a year now about a year year, yeah. A little under a year, like nine, ten months. I don't know. Because, well, the actual date I was brought on as co-owner was like January 25th of 2019. And the only reason I know that is because of a funny story about pertaining to me becoming co-owner of Pinnacle Performance because it was open for like three or four months prior to me being brought on. The other guy, like my, my business partner,

uh, Tim Castle, he opened up the place just kind of as a passion project because he's just, he's, he's an older guy, he's 50 years old. And he just, he was like, I want to fucking do this. So I'm going to do it. He did it. He expected people to just flock to it. Nobody came. And then he basically through like, uh, I, I met him through Janice Finkelman because she was training there and I, like we, I trained with her and, uh, I went over there one time. We just had an interaction and he, uh, just in the short version is he was like well joe knows what he's doing he's managed stuff before he's open stuff before i'm kind of drowning because he only had like 20 members

and he was like do you want to be brought on for this and i was like sure and it was the day after i was i coached at a seminar in toledo ohio which was a week before I was supposed to move to Las Vegas. So it was just kind of like this random string of events that essentially kept me staying in Columbus and put me where I am now, which is an awesome position. It's just like a ridiculous chain of events. Well, I remember what I remember about that is we were going to send you a t-shirt or something in the mail. And I said, is this your same address uh whatever whatever Columbus Ohio he said yeah it is for now but soon I'm moving out out west yeah and then like a week later uh you posted like that you now own a gym in Columbus Ohio and I was like oh he really didn't want that t-shirt did he

he made up the whole roundabout here yeah yeah like he really didn't want us to send that t-shirt did he he made up the whole roundabout here yeah yeah like he really didn't want us to send that t-shirt no it was it was crazy man i had i had my stuff packed like i had stuff in rubbermaid containers because i was i had a truck rented you know i had to i had to get a refund on a u-haul because i was like like a week later, I was like going to Vegas, dropping a bunch of money and buying into a gym out there, you know, but then it just kind of happened here. Yeah. That is crazy.

Yeah. And needed, needed to do to make the place what it is now. And now we're here. So, so how do you, how do you like, uh, having a, uh, I, we don't, don't have to get in the arrangements, but a somewhat equal business partner, does that work out for you? All right. Because Tommy and I actually hate each other. We just put on a good face to the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the thing. Like I really, I eventually just because like Tim, Tim is like speaking more and like, he, like we work well together, but he like was not into the whole power lifting scene.

He is getting more into the power lifting scene. And I'm like, I want this fucking bastard on a podcast at one point. Cause it's hilarious because like you said, we fucking hate each other. There are, there are days where like, I, I, I, I am just like, like Tim, Tim's very stressed out. He has a, an entire other industry that he's a part of, uh, that are, is very, very high stakes and makes a lot of money. Um, and, and it works for a lot of money and like he sells lift shorts too.

Yeah. Yes. It's all about the lift shorts. High stakes, a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. God, Jesus Christ. Um, yes. It's all about the lip shorts. High stakes, a lot of money. Yeah, yeah. God, Jesus Christ. But, but, but, but, but.

Tim gets very stressed out because of the other stuff that he does. Right. Tim does not manage that stress very well. So he will come into the clip and there will be a clip on the ground or come into the gym and there will be a clip on the ground or a barbell on the ground or one of the sanitizer bottles has not been filled and he'll perhaps like chuck it across the room at me or something and it's like yo bro like i'm here for 10 hours a day like maybe you could chill out and like i've been dealing with everybody all day and i was gonna get to that and tim and i will yell at one another and we'll like point fingers in one another's faces and say a variety of things like shit and fucking cunt and like eat a dick and

whatever and then we'll go on a walk and we'll come back and be like okay that's cool it's fine you know because we work really well together too we like did we basically again the too long didn't read version of it is we sued the state of ohio regarding the closures of gyms and we won and that was a really badass thing and i'm gonna fucking be mayor of columbus eventually fuck it i don't know i'm like am i joking does it fucking matter if i'm joking who cares um but uh yeah we work really really well together and he's a great partner and we literally kick a lot of fucking ass and it's great but we fuck gets dead we get pissed at one another because we're really similar people some like in some aspects because i'm an child. He's also an only child. We've both kind of like clawed, clawed and scratched for shit in our lives and also been through like not similar stuff, but like similar enough stuff.

together but then we fucking we don't work really well or we don't work just as hard together like it's just as powerful when we're fucking mad understand yeah i get what you're saying but it's fine it's cool it's hilarious see you mentioned the the arnold and you know i i know you you held an event this uh we had a booth at the Arnold last year we were planning on having one this year obviously then the Arnold got canceled at the last minute or I don't know if cancel is the right word but it kind of canceled semi-canceled yeah the expo was and everything and uh what I'm wondering you as like a Columbus resident what what was the vibe around there for like um business owners you know, you know, people that own restaurants and that, that sort of thing. Like, was it, was it a big deal not having the Arnold and the normal

people that flock in for that in the normal way that it would be? Yeah. Huge deal, huge impact on the city, um, as a whole, like for me personally, it was like, I, as soon as I, I actually reread a post of a friend of mine, um, a girl that was here competing in the wellness division or whatever, she put a post up and was like, I really got to see Joe like panic and be like, guys, business is canceled. I'm supposed to squat in the animal cage. I have 5,000 square feet in this gym. Why don't we just do something here? Oh, fuck. Okay. Let's plan this. Right. So I was, I was like super proactive. Like this could be opportunity to have some fun and do some stuff and make like lemonade out of lemons for my place, but for the restaurants, for the bars, for everything else in Columbus. Like I can't remember the exact number,

but I think the Arnold brings in, it's like approximately like $60 million to the city of Columbus every year. I believe it for sure. And while we ended up making out well, because it made Pinnacle the spot. And it was already becoming the place in Columbus, but that just put it on the map. But not by accident. You acted really quick and did things right.

And from where we were across the country, it was like, damn, that looks so cool. Yeah, yeah. And we personally debated, you know, we had talked to you, I think you and we were talking to Nick at Live Large, of course, and some other people at the same time. And we're talking about it. It's just tough. We're so, you know, it's so far for us.

It's just, you know, whether we should have still actually went or not is tough to say, but it did look awesome from our point of view too. And we've felt kind of sad that we missed out on it still. Yeah, dude, seriously. I know. I remember, I remember I briefly spoke with somebody and then I spoke a bunch with Nick cause he, he was also a huge, a huge, uh, component of this. Um, and he told me like, yeah, they're thinking about it. And then he was like, no, they're not coming. I'm like, oh, damn, you know. They suck. Those guys are the worst.

I don't know. You never wanted them anyways. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's like not like I have any of your flags hung up in my fucking face. Whatever, man. Those do look good up there, though, too. Yeah, no, they really do. It's all the non-powerlifters that walk in and they're like,

whoa, don't curl in the squat rack. Classic. That's so cool. I don't do that, so don't worry about it. That's sweet. We had Alan Thrall on a while back on Tame Strength out in Sacramento. He made the same comment. He's like, yeah, everyone comes in when they check out the gym.

They don't say much, but they'll go, don't curl in me. He made the same comment. He's like, yeah, everyone comes in when they check out the gym. They don't say much, but they'll go, don't curl at me. It's just like one of those breathe a little harder out of your nose. That's what it garners. That's kind of like a good description of massonomics. Yeah.

Neat. That was, yeah, that was the first year we had our booth at the Arnold. We literally watched people do

that. It was like, just walk by, just look once, look away. That is actually the perfect way to describe it.

I like that. I never, that is good. That's our new marketing. Thanks. How many of those do I need to pay my rent? Yeah, could you like spit out a $20 bill when you make that noise or something?

No, so what about for, do you have like any inside scoop on what's going to go on for the Arnold for next year? Like, do you hear people talk about that at all? Do you think there will be an expo? Dude, I don't know. I go back and forth because I can't believe half the shit that's happened this year. So like I I've done predicting shit, you know, that's probably the only safe position is to say I'm not predicting. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I mean, like, I really couldn't tell you because like they can't, they canceled the expo when it was literally just the, the coronavirus was just starting to become a thing. And we have a pretty vocal government currently about the important, like they're everybody. A lot of the people in Ohio are still very, very scared and that's okay. I'm like, I'm, I'm also like,

I have no political opinions whatsoever in 2020 and I will not discuss any, but everybody seems to there, there's a large majority of people that are still very scared, especially in Columbus. So I'm just kind of like, I don't think, I don't know. I don't know. It sucks. Yeah. So I'm like, I just, I, I, I want to see it happen and I'm hopeful that it, that it'll happen, but it's also like, I will not be surprised whatsoever if it doesn't. Well, and don't, don't you think I'll go ahead. I was going to say, and it's one of those things too, where you don't want it to happen

and be like, the Arnold is one 50th, the size that normal is like that kind of the whole point of the Arnold is, is like, man, no, that's not really the Arnold really the article yeah you don't want it to be a shell of what it was right but don't you think they have to make a decision sometime fairly soon like they're not going to wait till like the day before this time and be like yeah we're it's canceled again oh yeah i see if that wasn't a joke that should have been a joke because that's exactly what they did last year because i remember talking to nick about this and it's like, the people were talking about it being canceled. There's like, there's hype or like there's talk about it. And then it gets,

we get through the weekend and then it's like Tuesday and everything starts on like everybody arrives on Wednesday and everything starts on Thursday and they're like, Oh, it's canceled. It's like, what? Okay. We literally had our eight we had our truck packed to the gills we're yeah we were eight hours out from a 24-hour car ride and and like i called uh called tommy and said yeah someone like you better check the news something's going on like i think they're canceling the arnold and he's like no they're not we're like leaving in the morning they're not canceling the arnold today you know it's like yeah it's like no they're not we're like leaving in the morning they're not canceling the

Arnold today you know it's like yeah it's like yeah that that's what happened and at the time it seemed completely insane because things weren't getting like that was one of the first big dominoes and then it's like a week later it's like NBA right I mean it was like everything after that seriously and that's the thing that's like all this shit happened and like i literally i laugh my ass off because my life is so fucking absurd sometimes and i'm not like okay sure i may i'm aggrandizing myself i don't give a fuck i think it's it's just hilarious because like we had this whole thing happen the fucking coronavirus everybody's like oh fuck it yeah this isn't a thing and then all this other shit happens and then it's like oh fuck, fuck it. Yeah, this isn't a thing. And then all this other shit happens. And then it's like, oh, fuck, there's millions.

Like, a lot of people have died. And like, oh, God, it's so horrible. And it's an actual serious thing that's going to go in fucking history books now. And I have a goddamn coronavirus tattoo on the top of my foot. Someone mentioned when I was talking to someone about John Oldham that we're going to talk to you on the podcast today. He mentioned he said something about that. And I didn't realize that you have... So you do have a tattoo then, don't you?

On the top of my foot, on the Corona bottle and the skull and the number 20. That's what I thought. Yeah, okay. There are multiple other people that have this matching tattoo because we're all stupid and it's dumb.

Well, interesting. Yeah, it's like, ah, good news. Yes, interesting. It's like, ah, good news. Yes. Okay. So with you plan, regardless of what happens as far as the big Arnold expo and stuff goes, will pinnacle have something again? Will you host something again? We are planning to, and the, like the, like I want, I want to be like, yes, of course. Absolutely. No shit. It was awesome. We're going to do it and it's going to be awesome again. But the problem with me definitively saying yes is because we were kind of the spearhead to sue the state and win and kind of put ourselves in a legal position to say, fuck you to the, to the government.

Because of that, the health department is kind of up our ass and I am, I would be somewhat hesitant or scared to absolutely have an event the size that we did, the size that we did last year. Because I have had multiple anonymous complaints put in in relation to Pinnacle. And I have had the health department, and I'm air quoting right now, they have randomly showed up to the gym five times. And it's just kind of as if we have a bullseye on our back and that sucks, but I want to do something. We're going through it. It just turns into a big, Hey, look at us guys.

Exactly. And that's the problem, you know? So I had a tentative. Yes. We want to do something. We're going to try to do something. We're going to try to make something fucking work, but I, I really can't give you a good answer on that right now. Other than all that, I mean, four months out,

like no one knows what's going to happen in the world. It's just insanely different at that point in time. Yeah. Where's flying cars might exist by then. I don't know. I was going to say, where's the Q and exist by then i don't know i was gonna say where's the q anon guys and like the fucking alien i was gonna say more will finally materialize on this ufo thing like yeah that that got slipped through there like there was a uf like didn't the pentagon

essentially say that there was uh yeah they confirmed all those videos that got leaked a while ago and they're like yeah we have no idea what these are. And everyone's kind of like, we don't really have time for that right now. It's too long. Sick. It's like, okay, so there's aliens, but that's not that big of a deal right now. Yeah, but grandma has this cough that won't go away.

Right. That was dark. Goddamn. That's 2020 for you with everything going on we just like to say that a lot we just say ah with everything going on you can just kind of

preface anything you say ah with everything going on and people are like yeah we get that yeah with everything going on it's like a free pass for anything you do now Jesus Christ you know I'm going to use that ah with everything going on I don't think it would really be a podcast with Joe Sullivan if we didn't Anything you do now. Jesus Christ. You know I'm going to use that. That's great. With everything going on. I don't think it would really be a podcast with Joe Sullivan if we didn't bring this up.

So, hey, Joe, remember that time you were squatting and the bar bent over your back? That was pretty cool, right? Yeah. Yeah. I do remember it. It's definitely a thing that happened that I don't get tired of having the video chair over and over and over again. And people recognizing me and Kroger asking me if I've bent any barbells lately. It's totally cool.

Uh, you're a world record, record power lifter. And like you're like the thing that went, uh, probably. Yeah. Fucking called it.

I said it. I said this two years ago when this fucking thing blew up initially and it went fucking viral. I was like, I am going to be able to break every fucking world record in the world ever in the history of powerlifting, whatever the fuck. And I'm going to be the stupid fucking bastard that bent a barbell. I broke a fucking all-time world record that no one has ever done before like wasn't that the guy that bent the bar over his back fucking guy that bent the fucking bar god damn it people like novelty yeah uh i know i just i wish i stole the bar from that gym i really do you could have that like mounted in a uh display case at pinn. You could probably even charge admission and people be like,

you got to see the bar. Here it is. Fuck. I missed an opportunity. The only bad thing about that whole scenario is that you weren't wearing a massonomic shirt at the time, because imagine what we could have got out of that. If you were,

I know, I know, I know that that's like 50% of bacon and bar. I know I, you should be getting royalties probably because that shirt, they probably sold, like you said, 50% more of those shirts because of that one. Yeah, I just get butthole pictures from Jordy on occasion. You can't really put a value on that.

I mean, priceless. He is Canadian. Yeah, those guys. Different currency. One other thing, I'm just completely shifting gears around randomly here. Since you manage and actively manage the gym, owner-operator of it, you're also a world-class powerlifter. You lift there in the gym.

Is it ever challenging for you to get in the zone for a workout, a big lift, when you're also like, oh shit, look at that hand sanitizer over there. That needs to be filled. Do you struggle with these little mundane operational things while you're trying to squat 800 pounds? Does that stuff bother you? Can you sectionalize that stuff within your head or within your actual activities that it's not a big deal? Everything is a big deal all the time, forever. Yeah. Yes. The answer to that question is yes. A resounding yes. Um, and I love, I love

it. I love pinnacle. I love being there. I love being there 10 hours a day, every day, seven days a week. I need a day off. Oh, God. But I love it. I love being there. And it's great. But I have I have a very hard time not being like, who the fuck did this? Why is this a thing? Somebody somebody today, somebody today broke a brick of chalk and put it in a J-cup. day, somebody today broke a brick of chalk and put it in a J-cup. So it was like a little mountain of chalk.

It's not funny, but it's so funny because it's so funny. I don't know what they were doing with it. I don't know why it was a thing. And I just got so mad because I'm just so confused.

And somebody left the baby powder. It was, it was laying on its side by the front door. And I know who it was and I don't, I want to text them and be like, what, like put your fucking shit back where you got it. But I also don't want to be an asshole and it's,

it's fine. And then like, I got a phone call right before my top set that I had to take. And I fucking talked about the gym and I'm like, we're here. Like usually 8am to 8pm, you know, and like, I'd love for you to stop by. And it's like, Oh Jesus Christ. And then I squatted 745 pounds and it's fine. It's a day.

I don't know. It's okay. The track. Yeah. I get that too. It's okay. Uh, the check. Yeah, I get that too. Why would anyone do that? I, I,

we, we have massonomics gym and it's kind of like a club gym, but we, we have members, you know, it's not really a huge public thing, but we do have members and there are things, you know,

I'm, I'm more particular than average, you know, like because I do run it. So I do like to put the things away and stuff so i get it that not everyone's on the same like looking at it from the my lens but there are some things occasionally where i'm like come on man like what in the fuck were you doing like like where were you like what like honestly i want to see what happened

like i want to have to put signs in the toilet to like not shit on the side of the toilet like yeah right right yeah yes the poop goes in the toilet it's really just astounding yeah how we're all just a bunch of wild animals yeah yes and it's like i i joke but i don't joke because i like expect people to call me daddy at the gym because I just fucking babysit the fuck out of everybody. And I'm like, hey, remember to put this back. And oh, man, look, there was this one time where a kid was mixing pre-workout up by the front desk and he spilled a quarter of the pre-workout like after it was after it was already like mixed so he's like well see you later yeah like sticky chunky juice whatever

and he's like oh fuck i'm gonna get that yeah and then he just walked away it's just like and it was during the summer and i wasn't wearing shoes. And I walked out of the office and I stepped in sticky, chewy fruit punch. And I got upset. It's just like Superbad when McLovin goes into the gas station to buy beer and he pulls some bottles out of the case and they shatter on the floor. And the seesaw worker goes up and he's like, was this you, man? He's like, no, no. You should really clean

this up. Someone's going to slip. This could be dangerous. The guy just looks and goes, fuck my life. Yeah, pretty much. Joe, are you familiar at all with our underrated, overrated game? That's a segment of our podcast. Dude, I am not on the podcast, though.

Okay. We do it on Instagram, but I don't really understand it. Yeah. Okay. I don't really understand it. You're about to understand it. Okay, great. And full disclosure, I hardly ever listen to podcasts because I swear I have ADD.

Do you listen to ones that you're, like, if you're on someone's podcast, will you listen to that? No. I mean, you lived it. What's the point of hearing it, right? No, I literally, I already heard myself speak these words. Why do I need to hear it again? Yeah. That makes sense.

Okay. I don't know. Okay. So underrated, overrated, what we do, we pick, we, Tommy and I hand select a series of topics that are specific for you and artisanal topics. Yeah. They're artisanal. These ones in particular today are Joe Sullivan topics. And, uh, you have to report back to us after we give you the topic, whether it is overrated or underrated. And, and uh the important thing

to keep in mind there is you have your druthers on uh how long you answer that you know how much you additional information you want to give but you do have to remember that you have to result with an overrated or underrated you can't ride the line because a lot of times you're going to want to ride the fence and that's not an option here an overrated underrated uh tommy what other important rules would we have of the game i mean i think that's really about there's usually about four uh and some of them are serious hard hitters you know this is where we really all of them are serious yeah so do you does that all kind of make sense to you i yes i think it makes sense basically make a decision if you ever get confused on the rules you just ask us yeah we'll go confused on the rules, you can ask us.

We'll clarify that. We'll go back on the rules. There's no stopwatch or anything. You're not on the clock. We do score you. The scoring system doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't mean anything, but it is. Perfect. Just like all the rules in powerlifting.

That's great. And if you notice, we barely talked to you about powerlifting. That's about par for the course of our no yeah i dig this it's been great yeah okay so on to overrated underrated first one we have talked about this a little bit but we didn't hit it this way overrated or underrated the arnold overrated overrated because and then i can definitively say that because while it does have a lot of good qualities, because I love seeing all of the great people that I have met and have just, they have positively impacted my life through powerlifting and the fitness industry, quote unquote, whatever. it's overrated because you also see people in the fitness industry that irritate the fuck out of you and you have to be polite to them.

Or at least I choose to be polite to them because I'm Mr. High road all the time and I hate it, but it's fine. Thanks dad. But yeah, it's, and, and it's just,

it's not that fun after you do it once, like the actual expo, like the, the cage. Great. Yeah. Events yeah events great seeing people at the booze that you're that you're like cool with great but walking around the expo having dudes that are just there for like free samples and nobody that knows how to fucking shower or use a bathroom or talk to humans not on fucking bodybuilding.com forums it makes me want to

shoot my fucking face off yeah so so overrated you did kind of just summarize the entire arnold right yeah yeah that's the whole thing and and and and because i live in columbus and i've lived in columbus for a long time when there's that many more people in the city i just get super fucking angry because i'm like you all need to go home right i don't want you here you're breathing my oxygen get the fuck out this is my city and it is it is and if the traffic gets horrible and it just makes me lose my mind yeah that as a someone that lived there i could totally understand how that kind of ruins especially people i mean you're a power lifter you run a power lifting gym like it means something to you. Imagine just the average people that live there and like, this sucks.

Jesus Christ, yeah. These fucking meatheads. That did just make me think of anything, so we've got to just put pause on the over and under. We meant to ask you about the food joint to see if you know it or not. How do you explain where this is? What's the place right across from the Arnold? It's like that marketplace or whatever it is.

It's like an open air market. Okay. There's one place we always freak out about. I think it's called like Hubert's Polish Kitchen. Have you ever had that one there? I think so, but I don't. I think I've had their pierogi. Yeah, I think I had the pierogi there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah it's damn good we were we were really looking forward to that this year but yeah i just uh you guys gotta go to uh oh fuck fuck what's the name of it holy shit i can't believe i'm blanking i'm so fucking mad at myself it's the pierogi something okay Okay. Is there a Polish culture in Columbus or something? Or is it just coincidence? There's a lot of flat facers here. Yeah. I'm very Polish.

There's a Polish culture here. It's cool. They're a big pierogi town. Cool. Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't either. We thought we just found this one diamond in the rough. We found this one diamond in the rough Polish place that was kick-ass.

There's a lot of really good pierogi spots in Columbus. I wouldn't say dedicated pierogi spots, but there are a lot of good pierogi options. There's a lot of Germanic, like that central

fucking Europe culture in Columbus. Cool. That's good. Well, we've just gone to Hubert's Polish Kitchen every year for like the past five years. Maybe we just need to try going somewhere else. Partly because it's across the street.

Yeah. That's a solid option if they stay spitting great pierogis. Yeah, you know, and I mean, that's a solid option if they stay spitting great pierogies, I don't know. Yeah, I do too. Yeah, the North Market is fun. I just really haven't been there in a long time.

Okay. Well, if next time you're there, stop at Hubert's and tell them the Mastonomics guy sent you, it'll get you 10% off your next meal. I will do that and I'll post it to the blog. Yes, perfect. And we will be doing something in our daily lives and be like, ha, he did it. Yeah, just another little nose breath.

Sweet. They actually did that thing. Okay, so next topic,rated underrated i've seen to preface this one i've seen you post some things that uh you've done a little bit of poetry that sort of thing a little bit of writing of that of some sort am i at least corrective of that so far that you have done a little writing of poetry of your own yeah i mean if you can call it that i don't fucking know man oh no that's fair so overrated or underrated edgar allen poe oh man um i got he see this is where i'm like i want to ride the line because it's just like

yeah right right i guess edgar allen poe overrated because like way too, like, I just immediately think like the hot topic kid. Yeah. He was like, like reads the Raven and is like, this is about me. Yeah.

I, yeah, I heard. And I, that's, I gotta say overrated. Cause it it just it makes me think of the try hard goth dude like the try hard scene guy and like i i had the scene hair in high school and i wore my girlfriend's jeans it was a disaster but it's fine so i mean i i don't i don't know

like i think that's really solid logic on that one is yeah um so next topic overrated underrated um breathing belts or the breath belt i don't know what exactly you call that but i just saw you wearing it here recently what what what do you call that and is it overrated underrated it's the breath belt i mean i don't yeah i don't fucking know like people are asking me how much i like it and i'm like i've literally used it twice i don't know like what Like people are asking me how much I like it. And I'm like, I've literally used it twice. I don't know. Like what exactly is it? Tell us. Well,

it's the reason I got it is because I'm like doing, I'm basically doing all of my training beltless or just with the breath belt, I guess now until like probably fucking may of next year, just because I don't really feel the need to and i am not planning to compete in the until the showdown next year so i'm just kind of like i'm just gonna do all my shit this way because fuck it if i can get an 800 pound squat with like no real belt i should be pretty decent when i put it back on. Um, but I bought this thing because I knew Duffin was a fan of it. He had spoken of it in like a couple of months ago, probably.

And he actually wore one underneath his actual belt when he was working up to, uh, his grand goals thing with the 1000 pound squat for three reps. So he was a big fan of it. It's basically and I whatever and I hate being this guy because I'm like, don't always drink everybody. Don't drink the Kool-Aid of everybody. But like if Dufferin puts his stamp of approval on something, I'm going to I'm going to buy it or investigate it it should be something yeah yes you know so so i was like okay beltless training and then i'm like you know i remember this thing uh fuck it i'm gonna buy one and see what happens and essentially the thought process behind it is like with a normal belt like the lever belt there's no pliability to it. You can,

you can brace your abdomen into it and like expand your, the, the front of your trunk, the back, the sides, and create like proper intra abdominal pressure and all that other shit and just stay as tight as you can. But because of the, the properties of like leather and it's not going to move. If you don't know how to breathe and expand equally, you're, it's basically just going to be used as a crutch. It's why like some people really, really great lifters are still very, very strong without a belt and not like strong lifters, but people that may have like compromised,

like basically like just bracing or their bracing sucks or their torso position sucks or whatever. They may be a lot more often. They're very strong with the belt, but if they take the belt off, they can't really get anywhere near their belted numbers. So I bought this because it's essentially a, just like Donnie Thompson's slingshot could be argued as like a,

or not fuck Jesus. The bow tie from Donnie Thompson. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me. Well, it's probably because it's past my goddamn bedtime, but Donnie Thompson's bow tie could be argued as like a posture correcting device. The breath

belt could basically be described as a torso corrective exercise or a torso corrective piece of equipment or something. It basically just gives you something to push into and it stretches with you. It moves with you.

It's really just like a piece of cloth with Velcro on it. And it just kind of expands and moves as you do. So it's not, it doesn't, it, it's really weird to just, it's hard to describe. It doesn't feel like a normal belt at all.

It feels like it's covering a lot of your abdomen which is weird because it's like a corset essentially but it like you can move so freely in it and push your gut out suck your gut in like brace and expand so much that it moves so much that it really doesn't feel like it's actually giving you any support. But if you had asked me if I like, whether it was like overrated or underrated last week, or like after my first time trying it, because I tried it for a deadlift session and a bench session, deadlift session and bench session, I was like, eh, this is, this is overrated. Like this thing just seems like a fucking weird corset that I'm wearing. I don't really, I don't really feel like it's doing much for me to like proprioceptively get what I'm supposed to be doing with my abdomen. But after squatting today, which I did this

afternoon, I would have to say that the breath belt is underrated because I felt, I, I felt as if I was using my core more than I ever have and like creating more tension than I ever have when I was wearing it during my workout today. And even, even though I haven't really gotten a feel for it, which might tell you that my bracing might not be like as good as it could be on bench or deadlift, but after getting a feel for it today and really feeling like the feedback and the level of tension that I could

create and just kind of how it made everything else on it in relation to my body, like in relation to relation to my torso, like my hips and my shoulders, how it made them feel. I'd say it was underrated. All right. I'd say we definitely learned a lot more about the breath. I did.

Sorry. I'm sorry. I went way into that. Cause we were curious what it actually really even was. So now we kind of, it's a weird fucking, it's a weird fucking thing. And I was just, I went way into that. Because we were curious what it actually really even was. It's a weird fucking thing. And I talked about it a lot at the gym today because everybody was asking me because they're like, what the fuck is that weird waist trainer?

And I'm like, yeah, it makes me look fucking jacked, guys. Like, fuck off. Okay, last topic for overrated, underrated. The F word. Dude, I say fuck so much but well this is a hard game i don't like this game that's that's the beauty that's the bullshit yeah um shit because it's like i do i draw i i i i like i say fuck so much that I feel like I say fuck too much, which is a lot. Because I'll hear myself talk sometimes, and I'll make this very, very good point about how each muscle in the body is going to affect another thing and like or or put something across in a way that is like completely understood by the

client or by my friend or whomever is fucking whoever it is i'm talking to and i'll make this great point and i'll have this great thing but it's just like fucking this and fucking that and i'm like bro you could like record this and sell it if you didn't say fuck so much. Holy shit. So, I don't know. I mean, because I say shit a lot, too. So, overrated or underrated, I don't like this game. I'm going to say overrated, I guess. I guess. I don't like this game. Well, you can't say, Oh, overrated,

I guess. I guess. I don't know. Because like, I can, man, cause I feel like I could like find just as appropriate other swear words. Yeah,

no, I definitely, okay. Now more definitive answer. I had to work that one out in my brain. That's how overrated under work underrated work. Sometimes shut the fuck up. It's almost like it makes sense.

Okay. So because, because in Ireland or in the United Kingdom or whatever, they have their censorship. We were just, we were just talking about that earlier in the episode. Actually. Yeah,

there you go. There you go. So they only censor fuck so they say cock and stuff all the time yeah yeah you know and like it like cock is just as powerful as fuck just because it has like that that hard cut at the end so like you even if you were like rather than being like he's fucking around could be like, he's cocking around, you know? I don't know. There's substitutes here. So I'd say it's overrated.

Good stuff. The official word is in. Yeah, and we just finished tallying the scores as you were going through that last one, and you passed. You passed overrated, underrated. So congratulations, Joe. I didn't know it was a pass-fail. It changes a little bit every time. It's a moving scale.

It's a sliding scale. It's weighted scoring. It's a weighted sliding scale on a curve. Sometimes there's J.D. Power Associates Awards at stake. Not today, unfortunately. You don't get any of those. Sometimes we just give it cool beans. So you do get two cool beans, though.

So there you go. Nice. Excellent. I'm done. There's a lot there. I was going to say, is it like two out of three cool beans and then there's one hot bean? We don't know.

Usually it's like the scale is usually like two cool beans but like zero to five JD Power and Associates if that scale comes out that scale didn't come out today cool beans is usually just straight up you either get two cool beans or you don't JD Power and Associates

is zero to five you can go on half points on you can do half you can do like three and a half JD Power and Associates awards so it's really a ten point scale, but we just get 15. Right, right, right. Yeah. There's a lot of nuances to the scoring. None of it makes sense.

Got it. So that kind of covers what we wanted to talk to you. Is there anything you need, want to pitch as far as sponsors or any of that sort of stuff? No, I mean, sure. I probably should, but whatever. We leave that up to you no like fuck it okay like

I can't get over the JD power god damn it so I am Joe Sullivan Powerlifter on Instagram if anybody needs anything you can DM me I talk to way too many people on the internet all day so So let's just continue. I know how that goes. I also, I also have a website. Please go to my website and email me if you want to hire me for coaching or book a seminar with

myself and Scott Miller. Um, also buy my fucking t-shirts, uh, and they're on the website and if you're ever in columbus hit up pinnacle performance uh we are always there and i have a great group of people there and it's pretty awesome and it's the best damn gym in the state if not the country so it's best gym in my fucking world so yeah um i'm joe sullivan like everybody everybody knows how to get a hold of me and if you don't know like yeah you know it's pretty fucking easy it's pretty easy and just to clear things up though so people should put the chalk in the j cup or not when they when they come please don't do that dude i was so confused i just i just because one of the other members

was like what the fuck is this and i'm like what the fuck is this? And I'm like, what the fuck is what? And then like, I look at it, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that is. Why is this a thing? And it's just, and going back to it, it's like that. My favorite thing is to piss on shit. It's awesome. It's like my favorite thing of all time. Yes. It's so much.

It's so much. I love it. I love it i love it i like i joke because i'm like i've i've never been this stressed out i've never been this pissed off and i've never been this fucking frustrated but i've never been this happy yeah fucking duality bro yeah uh we will we're not sure exactly with Arnold and everything when life will bring us to Columbus next but we'll be

make sure to look you up in Pinnacle next time we're there and for that matter next time you're through Aberdeen South Dakota you're welcome to come to Masonomics gym too so I was gonna say if I need to find a particular cow I will hit you guys up I don't I have no fucking idea what is in Aberdeen

whichever Dakota you said the western edge of northeast South Dakota if that clears things up for you that's way too many words it's all the directions we want all of them well Joe we appreciate having you on that was a blast

we'll catch up with you another time great talk I loved it thanks guys I appreciate it alright bye you heard it first way too many directions Tommy if I had to give that interview just one word you know what I would give it

just one word you're really making would give it oh just one just one word ah you're really making me think harder than i wanted to here um let me just spring it on you i would give it cool beans no space right right just run them together you just run them together right right that one's so good that one is bounce to it it does well that was a cool beans episode we really talked for a while this episode haven't we yeah that was a funny funny conversation i think joe probably enjoyed that don't you think that's a little different than what he said it was cool at the end so that's right yeah anyways you could also tell the gears were turning on jd power and associates he's like what oh wait i never thought i never

thought of ranking something by jd power and associates. He's like, what? Oh wait, I never thought of ranking something by JD power and associates awards on a zero to five point scale with half points being allowed. It's the perfect. Why is it just a one to 10? You can do a half an award. I got it. It's perfect. That's the perfect scoring system.

I did really like that. What'd he say? The extra nose breath yeah yeah that's what we get a lot that is that is massonomics and nose breath yes it is uh what about our stuff we talked a lot so but we do need to probably just bring up our stuff it's biggest one i would say is the podcast supporting membership you could sign up to be that we've had the few grand slam members there's like a bit of a weird thing going on where one of the grand slam members has found a loophole and has actually like figured out to resubscribe for more levels so

it turns out i didn't even know you could do that it turns out we just found out that like let's say you want to be at a 12 level and that doesn exist, you can just sign up for the lift shorts level twice. It'll let you do that. We didn't know that. No. So he now is really like the ultra grand slam, I guess. I don't know. With the apple pie level in there, you can actually do anything you want in dollar increments. It's limitless. Yeah. So do, if you would like to be a friend of the podcast, do please sign up there are some other benefits that go along with that but all of them pale in comparison with being a friend of the podcast i think right that's by far and away i mean then we are all friends with benefits so we can we can say that just all kinds of stuff yeah we are friends with friends with benefits you can

be a friends with benefits member or friends with benefits of the podcast and leave us a five-star review. I'm not going to read any reviews today. We did too much stuff. We do have reviews have been rolling in though. We got a lot of reviews to keep reading here. So that's cool. So thank you for the people that are reading reviews. We're going to be really hot and heavy on that road to 300 soon.

I think. Yeah, I think so too. Like that's going to be right around the corner and it's getting hot and it's getting heavy and it always does pick up even faster at the end you know it does like so that could just catch us completely by surprise if we don't stay on top of it so we are going to stay on top of that i like i like being caught by surprise because we got to do crazy things we have so many damn things going on with mass right now that i'm not even joking that i'm like weeks are flat massonomics weeks are just

flying by because there's like just so many things for us to do is and with everything going on you know everything's going on in 2020 it's exciting for you with everything going on in massonomics it is uh everything going on every day it's whoa that happened it is uh that about good do you think uh and then if you didn't take anything else from this episode uh make sure you uh check out that lift hard live easy contest we want to see all of your guys's creative beautiful original videos uh that you're putting together i wouldn't suggest waiting to be the last i think sometimes people have the strategy yeah i would say that one little insider tip is we did personally give a little preference to some people that did things first the last time because there were some people that definitely

did something and a lot of people followed up with something similar. Right, right. And the similar ones were really funny, but it's like, no, that person did it first. And that's half the battle. The way Massonomics works, we have all these inside jokes. Yeah. So it's like, so say we have 50 inside jokes. Most people like to incorporate some of those in their submission

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