Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 248: Greg Nuckols

Episode Date: January 4, 2021

Greg joins us for this one to discuss training philosophy, baking, podcasting, and Microsoft Excel. We also drink an imported sparkling water and talk about the music world. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! website and everything massonomics recorded live from western north east south dakota this is the massonomics podcast we are the lifting podcast about nothing my name is tanner and my name is tommy tanner you just really rolled those directions off your tongue there you see like put the emphasis in the wrong places so it's like it's like the remix western north western north east south dakota really really making my brain think there uh that's where we're from of course more specifically aberdeen if you're

interested in that sort of thing but we are coming to you for episode 248 we've got a special guest this week of course we've got a few topics before that we're gonna do sack segment uh what's in the can and then like i said greg knuckles is our special guest this episode so that's pretty cool i'm i'm really i'm excited about every guest we get but i am uh i shouldn't even say particularly excited but i am particularly excited about this one i'm not saying i'm playing favorites but uh i really like we've never had a guest that i don't enjoy and i'm not curious and we have guests because we actually want to talk to them and like we're it's a learning and a learning and fun experience for us but with greg i'm particularly interested in talking to him and

several of our guests about half of our guests we have had some interactions with in the past yeah we haven't had a lot of uh at least conversations no with great we've maybe had some interactions but not so much actual conversations right and i really enjoy their podcasts that they put out and stuff so it's pretty cool pretty cool one um what else do we have for this episode we got probably some some pretty important topics to lead off with oh we always do one thing i was wondering did you get anything cool for christmas oh well maybe we should do the ads first. Oh, gosh. Thank God you're paying attention.

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navidad it's those red tortilla chips that get you coming back for more just the green ones too and the green ones yeah i wonder if nachos navidad end after christmas or after new year's that's a good question yeah they got to still have some red and green chips they're trying to phase out. They start to phase them out after Christmas, but they're not really out of stock until after New Year's, probably. Yeah, I think so. That's got to be it.

Did you give anything in particular, Kool? I guess it's more about the giving than the receiving. It is more about the giving. This is my first year being a dad. So now that's what i was gonna ask you about christmas has changed and it's much more exciting seeing like oh my kids get all this cool shit now like yeah yeah yeah that's true that is like it is crazy how quick that changes it's like oh you bought this for my baby that's pretty sweet yeah yeah that's right and that is like such a different

uh way in just how your brain thinks and sees Christmas. For sure. That was for sure the biggest change. But I mean, otherwise, I did get some cool stuff. I got some nice clothes. And we got recently just bought a king-size bed. So we got a really nice set of sheets for the bed and everything. And you went straight up king, not California king.

We actually have had this discussion. We have had this discussion. Okay, did you know? I don't know i think i knew this and understood this well until a lot of people don't get that a queen and a king are the same exact length just a king is wider yep and a king is almost a completely square mattress it's right it's only a few inches and i forget i think it's the width it's only a few inches short okay i've been are a few inches narrow being completely square right but the

california king is where you get the added added length in but it's not as wide i think it's as wide oh someone told me it's not it's you get more length but you sacrifice oh that seems dumb i feel like that's what i heard so i don't know i'm not gonna look okay and i i don't know that that's true either but that that makes no sense to me that's so stupid because we're actually how we're we're uh moving and in the process we're gonna buy a new bed in the in the process and we're going to get a king and then i said well really we should get a california king it's even bigger and someone said yeah but on the california king it's longer but it's actually not as wide as the king i don't know if that's right never bothered to look well tanner are we going to the official i said I said I'm not going to look,

and then the first thing I did was grab my phone. It's an interesting thought if that's the case. I'm like, why? That's insanity. I can't believe they forced you to give up width. Okay, according to this, a queen bed is, I'm assuming these are inches. A queen bed is 80 inches long by 60 inches wide.

Okay, that makes sense. So I usually go width by length so 60 by 80 is the queen size bed a king bed is 76 by 80 by 80 so we still have the standard length of like you said just four inches shy of a square four inches shy of a square the california king now you're right is 72 inches right you're sacrificing four inches of the width. Yeah, so you're using four in the width to gain four in the length. And what is more important to you?

Four more inches of width or four more inches of length? You're what, 6'2", 6'3"? Yeah, yeah. I guess, do your feet hang off the bed? I mean, they have before, but that's because I'm in like an odd position while I'm sleeping. I think I would go with the extra width in this case.

I would go with extra. And we're both tall people, you know, like you said. If you were like 6'8". If you're 6'8", maybe even if you're 6'6", I can see it more. But at me, about 6'3", the length of a bed has never really been an issue for me. No.

And even if my feet do hang off. Right. But it's when you are married and sleep with your spouse the width is where the money's at that's that's what you that's what's been blowing my mind is there's times where the dog hello over there i have i have a dog that's like 85 pounds there's times where he gets into the bed and i don't even know he's in the bed now like it's there's that much room and then occasionally whether it's like early morning and and the baby wakes up and we might bring him into our room there's been times where there's been a baby and a dog and my wife in the

bed and i don't know who or who isn't in the bed it's a it's a but so totally different way of sleeping if california king was just as wide and and just longer i would was like okay we're getting a california king i just want the biggest one yeah but then when someone said that i'm like oh i don't think i want to give up that width for extra i never looked at i never looked at it that close before because that didn't make sense to me it seems does it make sense you already have this width settled on let's just go longer right wow i did not expect to learn something so profound in this podcast right right right so then what about you did you get anything cool for christmas um i think it's the kid thing too and as you know uh my kids are older and like really enjoy opening presents i am most excited

when i know we got them cool stuff i'm like you almost can't wait i'm like like that's like the kid in you isn't like to open your presents it's like oh let's get to these presents because it's like going to be pretty fun and exciting when they open stuff that you know you've tried to kept a secret and they know they're going to be jacked about like last year i got my son uh go-kart yeah and he didn't know anything about it so and we did like the garage unveiling yeah and he didn't know about it so that was so way fun like way more fun than me getting stuff but i did get cool stuff i got big thing is i got uh some new socks and some new underwear and as like uh an adult that an adult that doesn't buy those things for myself myself i got buck naked have you ever had that brand i have not actually i've

heard good things good underwear and then uh i always i like under armor socks you have under armor socks on too and i got some more of those and i like that i did get a record player though and i'm kind of a record guy for that yeah several several records i have i started my collection with like 12 and a lot of a lot of ones i've really like i'm kind of a record guy now yeah that's uh you know they're kind of making a comeback tanner even just in like a week of it so here's my thing on music i've basically never downloaded music and like because when cds when i was young i like cds i like to buy cds i didn't probably didn't buy as much as some people but i enjoyed getting cds and getting the music and open you know having it and reading it and going through so it is the physical media thing

i can tell with this record thing i'm immediately like i like the physical media of music oh so much better where i'm when i have like so when i put the record on and have the the album the record album cover in case and i can look through and read like some of them are you know explaining what their thought process was on making the songs you know some of them just have the lyrics and like just the different art and stuff that goes with them i literally have been sitting there at the table like putting my record on and just sitting there and listening to the full record and i'm like i love this yeah and so yeah you touched on a lot of things there yeah the big one is probably it goes from being a passive thing that happens in the background yeah to something that you're more actively engaged in and i i

we've maybe talked about this on the podcast a long time ago but i was like in the uh i mean the the late what do you say the aughts to the right through the early teens right i bought a shit ton of cds i mean i was buying many many cds every month because i i love music i love keeping up with what's going on i didn't want to pay to download songs through iTunes just because it's like, well, I don't want to pay $10 for an album and just have the, not get any of the cool work and stuff with it. And I would just rip them to my computer anyways and have them,

but you know, buying them, you're fairly involved in it. You put money into it. So you're like, okay, well even if I don't like this, I'm going to listen to it several times now,

you know, since like what? 2014 what 2014 13 i've been on spotify yeah and as great as it is because i can listen to any song in the world whenever i want now there's a thing of like well i listened to it once and it's like yeah it didn't really catch my attention i just never go back to it because there's 10 000 other things to listen to and so i find myself just being so much like i don't i don't spend as much time trying to find new stuff i just i'm way more passive about the whole experience and um so you have a you have a very valid point there tanner and i i never i've never had a spotify membership or whatever and it's weird this it's this mental thing in my head i can't just what does a spotify membership cost like 10 bucks a month or what's the best one cost like where you can listen to whatever the hell you

want yeah i think it's we do we do uh so you can do actually it's not a bad deal yeah a family is 15 bucks a month and that's five people unlimited music for five people so that that i'm that i'm first of all i'd say that's probably a very good deal but in my mind i'm like can't do it because i don't like listening to music off of like I don't I don't want to spend $15 and what I get is like stuff on my phone uh-huh whereas I in the I'm not saying this makes sense it's the process in my head though I'm like I can go spend $30 on a record which is two months of any music you want ever and I can justify it way easier because I'm like yeah but I have this record that I think is cool now.

I know. I know. And it is like a weird mental thing. Yeah. That's what I remember in the late, in the late or like around 2010 being like, Oh, I'll never be a part of a music subscription thing.

I'll just keep paying, you know, my, um, my $100 a month or whatever it is that I pay on CDs because I get to keep those CDs. And now I'm like, Oh, it's such a pain in the ass to get those no device even comes with a cd so i can't even rip

them anymore right so like yeah now but also though a lot of records also come with the download code yeah they almost all everyone i open it falls out and i'm like yeah whatever you have that to put on your computer too so you're not actually out anything there right um the other people i don't know what the science is behind this but people say ah sounds better on a record yeah i don't know if that science if the science supports that or not but i can just anecdotally i don't know if it sounds better but it's just because it's part of the experience i feel like it sounds better where i think it's the analog thing of like yeah the first time you see the first time you see like a record go around and music comes out it's like that makes no goddamn sense like how is a needle on a little piece of something make noise that makes no sense

of grooved vinyl um and it is like even the record player was an experience i uh it was um a crosley is the brand and i had to literally put it together like um like the counterweight on the stylus that has the needle on it like have to balance it and you you want to get like this one it's so many grams per pressure that you want to get actually down onto the vinyl i'm like man this is just so much different like than when you buy a cd player and just like you know it just totally is now you'll start getting into having the right cartridge for the right you know all that stuff and then you're going to be updating your speakers tanner well see i'm never and i don't think i will because i just don't have that refined

about audio like it's that's not the part of it get to the point of diminishing returns there and that's not the part it's more is just the straight up it being a physical media thing and i just i think it's really cool i'm at least for now i'm pretty hooked on it so that's my thing yeah that is a it's a nice it's getting me more into music that i like for the first time in a lot in years where i'm like ah i really like music now all of a sudden are we gonna see a record player in the gym here soon is that what you're getting uh that's probably not the exact perfect environment see that's that's where thing things all still have their places they do uh a. A thing for every place and a place for everything.

But in the right environment, though, I do think a record player is the cat's meow. Yeah. Yep. They can be very cool. Yeah. I 100% agree. That's about it.

In the world of media, Tanner. So two things here. This actually ties back. I now know a couple episodes ago, we made a mention about a chess clock. Yeah. And saying I have no idea what it is. I now know what they are. Okay. Because mention about a chess clock yeah and saying i have no idea what it is i now know what they are okay because of the show queen's gambit on netflix oh okay i

don't i'm not aware of it it's have you do you have netflix at the moment yes yeah it's the one if you're ever going through it's the girl that has like the red hair it's like short red hair anyways it's only like a seven episode series it's pretty good i'm not i have two episodes left uh my wife and i both really liked it so far. She's the orphan that turns into the chess prodigy like in the 60s. I feel like it's not the most original story. No, I don't think so.

I think it's just a guy wrote a book and then they turned it into something. But I would recommend it. I did learn though, if I understand it correctly from the show, is that when you hit the chess clock that you see people playing with, there is usually a time limit. So when you hit it, you're starting your opponent's clock so that, um, you know, there's only so much time starts

running. Yeah. Their time starts running, which does make sense. I never, I obviously don't play hardly any chess, so I didn't understand that concept, but I do now. So, okay. That reminds me, we have a can segment. Oh yeah. Let to that uh so this is a this is a true what's in the can segment where uh i brought it this time so you're gonna have to close your eyes tommy okay and guess what we're dealing with today and when i say it's a true what's in the can segment there is a variable there that is slightly outside of that description but you Is it not in a can? Well, you will have an idea here in short order. Just one second. And this actually requires a special tool.

You can't know what it is right here, but I'm opening the tool right now. And I'm going to use it. Okay. Is it a Capri Sun straw that you're poking through the pouch, Tanner? What's in the Capri Sun packet? Okay. And here is your beverage, Befragino. Oh, okay, so we have a bottle. Yeah, so what I was using was the Massonomics Lift Hard Live Easy bottle opener,

as can be seen on our YouTube feed of this. I opened mine as well. So I'm saying carbonated water of some kind, because I'm getting hit with some very, very faint flavor. Yes. I don't think I'm getting hit with any flavor. So you're saying you got a bottle? I think I have a bottle of carbonated water um it's got to be just yeah it has to be carbonated just plain water of some kind right right yes can

i look yep what do we got here whoa topo chico and this is if you remember from the garrett fear episode this he said his favorite is topo chico oh and we have this often at home yeah wow i've never never seen this so you're basically spot on it's topo chico you did forget that it has minerals in it it's topo chico mineral carbonated water wow straight from mont imported from special for the podcast from Monterey, Mexico. Amazing. Where do you get this at? From my wife. Is where I get it from and beyond that she's the supplier. I'm not sure how things

work. I just open the refrigerator and things are there. Sometimes there's less things and sometimes there's more things. Sometimes there's new things. I don't know if the refrigerator just makes the things or like there's a part of the process that pushes new stuff out all the time there's a part of the process that i'm not 100 well i can tell you mine doesn't work that way but well this is refreshing i will give it that so how do you think it compares to a lacroix pure um i think

so this is gonna sound really like we're really splitting hairs here yeah and it could also be the bottle that this has a flavor no i think to me i think the lacroix feels a tad more uh like crisp or bubbly possibly yeah this i i agree with that i agree with that like yeah i think it has a little bit more of a fizz carbonation that the la croix does yeah how many uh oh i would still get solid well this is this is what it's like do you rate it on a scale because it's you know it's unflavored but yeah yeah it's certainly not a flavor scale there's nothing offensive about this it's it's it's good and refreshing i'd probably give it on a scale because it's unflavored. Yeah, yeah. It's certainly not a flavor scale. There's nothing offensive about this. It's good and refreshing.

I'd probably give it like a three and a half-ish. Yeah. I would. I think if you were having like a mixed drink with something, like this could be a good addition to the party. Yeah. Cool. Yep.

That's good stuff. That is good. Tanner. Oh, did you have? Oh, yeah. We. That's good stuff. That is good. Tanner. Oh, did you have, oh, we have, we also have a sack segment. We got all types of stuff to talk about, because I just remembered something else I was going to discuss this week. Oh, do you want to talk about that first? I can.

I can make it quick. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. I went to the doctor this week, Tanner. Oh. What kind of doctor? The doctor, doctor.

No, I have had, I've had allergies for quite a while now. I think we've even talked about it. Yeah, seasonal allergies, you're saying, or like food allergies. I don't know. Like I didn't really, that was the thing. Like I know, I for sure had seasonal allergies. Like there would be times where I would like get an actual sneezing fits where, you know, you start sneezing and you can just feel the temperature of your body just raising because every sneeze somehow does that weird thing to you but right um so finally

after like me complaining about it and also my wife being in the medical field being like no there's doctors that handle this yeah and it was i would never take the time to set up an appointment on my own but she did set up an appointment with an allergy specialist for me to go and they did the whole thing where they poke you in the back with all the different things to decide 36 different things and run you through the list don't tell me you're allergic to carbonated water i just it's a good thing i took my allergy medicine show is really gonna have to take a turn here not too many major surprises the the um in recent years i've noticed that somehow i became very allergic to cats and that did confirm it that yes i am in fact pretty allergic to cats um uh dust mites are crazy bad for me i guess okay so that's one that I guess you cut down carpet,

dust, things like that. Right. It's just like, okay, you kind of change your lifestyle or you just change your environment to help those things. Luckily I live and work all in the same place.

So I have a lot of control over my environment. So that one's not too bad to handle. And now I can be aware of what that is. Other than that, just a lot of like the grasses and pollens, things like that probably things that most people have you know yeah nothing too nothing too in the process that was like whoa what is this about yeah but the one that was probably the most surprising is they tried to

tell me that i have a minor minor allergy to uh legumes like peanuts and i was like really because i feel like i eat a fair amount of peanut butter and i don't think that that's an issue but i have had some gut issues bothering me off and on for like the past years so are you gonna cut out the so i'm gonna try and just see like all right what so then you know their recommendation is basically to do a diet that eliminates everything it's like well i'm not gonna that that not realistic. I'm not familiar with that. I've seen people, but yeah, but in the short term,

I am going to just slowly reintroduce. Yeah. So that's what I'm going to try in the short term just to like, do like, Hey, all right, let's clean this up and see how good do I feel if I'm making a conscious effort on this.

And then if I start adding some things back in, is it like, okay, yep. If I have a bunch of peanut butter in the morning, does that actually like ruin my day or what's going on here so right one of those things of just slowly learning how your body works tanner you know 31 years in and still finding something new yep no that's interesting but it was one of the things where you leave the doctor in

because like i still can't figure it out it seems like insurance doesn't really cover like nobody knows you pay like just so much money you're just you're just hoping it's all gonna work out so much money and like you you walk away and then it's like oh actually insurance doesn't really cover much of this at all and you're like oh it's like dang what was that what am i paying that every month i did i guess i found out some answers but i did pay a lot of money i'm not sure if it warranted the amount of money I paid to get the answers I get. That seems like a significant portion of doctor's visit ends with you. Even in a year where we have met and exceeded our deductible,

somehow these things don't go into that category. It's just like there's always someone that's going to win in this scenario, and it's not you. It's not us, yeah. That's true. Okay, we do have a sack segment yeah we are burning through the things today tanner yes uh first item in the sack i'll hand you one of those there oh and here is a t-shirt or wait is that a long sleeve t-shirt i didn't

even notice these were long sleeve this is in fact ave t-shirt? I didn't even notice these were long-sleeve t-shirts. This is, in fact, a shirt with sleeves on it. Oh, I didn't even notice that. That changes the game. It does. It changes everything. So these are long-sleeve tees from our good friend Mr. Tom Callis. Yes. Over at Callis Barbell in Illinois.

Working class lifter. Working class class lifter and he's got the uh skull bearded skull with the hard hat on uh-huh do it did i hold that up good enough for the camera i think i think we've got that and the stickers and then i already hung the banner that he sent yeah banner looks great in the gym and i like this is a cool logo yeah i think his if i know right his his tattoo artist designed this for him okay yeah that that'd be believable and he has this tattooed i mean i think i even talked about that recently or something but sweet yeah so that's from big tom we probably should have tom yeah we probably actually kind of like shocking to me now that i think about we haven't had him on yeah uh

we have had tom finn but not tom callous yet so we'll have to we'll have and also his good friend dan bell as well that's true several people in his circle dan was on their the let's get stupid podcast here this like last week and they were they were talking we we come up in conversation we do seem to go up in conversation and they were uh um talking about the silicone pint cups because Huck also has those. And Huck did have those before we had silicone pint cups. Yeah. But I did tell him like after we had tested them out and we're like, oh, yeah, we need these.

I had messaged Finn and said that, yeah, we're stealing that. We're going to have those now, too. It's ours now. So they're laughing about that. And then Huck Finn sells his shirts with you can pay extra to get the Huck Finn cut and they were

saying that we're going to copy them and pay extra to get the South Dakota cut. The Northeast South Dakota cut. I don't know what the exact cut is. I'm not sure. I was trying to decide, are we going to cut off the bottom, or are we just going to cut off one sleeve? We can either do crop tops or a single sleeve.

You can pay more, and we'll cut one sleeve off. So that's our sack segment. Thank you, Tom. Yeah, thank you. You know, I always said, Tanner, we should get a long sleeve. I do like to lift in a long sleeve. It's one of those things where a sweatshirt sometimes is a little too much but a long sleeve is kind of just right right yeah i think maybe we should do that someday but now it's like yeah but it would be too late for right i don't want to come up with a long sleeve

in the summertime right right even now you know we just have so many things in the pipeline we've got a lot of things in the pipeline yeah we were doing some 2021 planning the other day, and 2021's looking pretty good already, guys. With everything that's gone on, 2021 is going to be one hell of a year with everything that went on in 2020. And with everything that's going to be going on in 2021. It is going to be a year, that is for sure. We're calling it right now.

It's going to be pretty uncertain times, but... It's going to be one thing that's certain we're gonna keep this train going yeah that's right um should we hop into ads here yeah i think so then we'll get our guest on the horn after that all right the massonomics podcast is brought to you by spud inc and the cold war puller from russia with love the spudding team has brought you a new way to do an old exercise using our ukrainian deadlift rig tanner i just thought of something i want to talk about uh we'll have to say it for after this is a preview hopefully people aren't listening it's for after um our interview okay i'll have i almost have to write it down um god we'll forget i promise we will forget i'm just okay i just i want to talk about

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and buy one of their legendary bars, visit TexasPowerBars.com. Excellent. Now, is it time for our special guest, Greg Knuckles? I believe it is. All right. Should we get the old audio machine fired up here? We're ringing.

We're ringing. Let's hope we get something we might have to stall tanner have we still ever had someone hello greg is this you yeah how's it going good greg you're uh on the mass nomic massonomics podcast with uh tanner and and Tommy. We're excited to have you on. What's up, Greg? Oh, not too much. Not too much. How are you guys? We're great. Even better now that you're here. And usually when we kick it off, sometimes I like to give a little quick bio for our guests, for anyone that's unfamiliar.

So here's what I put together for you, Greg. Here's a list of everything you've ever accomplished in your life. You are... Oh, God. together for you Greg here's a list of everything you've ever accomplished in your life you are oh god you are the temporary guest host of the stronger by science podcast and that about does it almost there's one other thing and you have been featured in

a massonomics rookie card end of list is that yeah I cannot think of anything else oh i finished uh i finished sixth in a class geography b in fourth grade uh i i'd put that pretty high on my list of accomplishments too i feel like you've been holding out on that one actually wow i would put that first i mean i i don. I don't mean to flex that hard. Greg, what would you put out there as your little couple minute elevator speech or spiel

about what you do in the strength community? Let's see. I lift weights and I describe myself to people who haven't met me as a professional blogger. Uh, and I think that about covers it. You know, the thing about saying that is it's, it's most people have kind of an idea what a blog is. And then if you had the word professional in front of it, they're like, I guess it's ambiguous enough. He must know what he's talking about. I won't ask any more questions. No. So it's funny actually. Um, so when, uh, Eric Trexler came to work with us a couple of years ago, um, he had just finished his PhD and you know, people were expecting him to get a tenure

track faculty job, but I alerted him to the dark side. Uh, and when people, when people asked him what he did, he said he was an assistant blogger, uh, and people got super confused about it. It's like, Oh, that's why you have your PhD. I don't, I don't have to go to school to do that. No follow-up questions. I just don't understand. You didn't have to go to school to do that. No follow-up questions. I just don't understand. You would be pretty surprised at how competitive the assistant blogger job market is these days.

It's very cutthroat. You did bring up a good point, though. We do enjoy one thing you put out through Stronger by Science as your podcast. And we do really enjoy that show that you do with Eric Helms. I will pass that along. I'll gesture to him. I'll say, Eric Helms, I understand you're getting up there in age. Put in your hearing aid. I have something exciting to tell you.

And he'll be tickled pink. Excellent. We figured Eric Helms would like that. No, we do like your podcast. We're going to operate under the assumption that you're not real familiar with the Maths and Economics podcast. We've been around for about 250 episodes. And if someone was familiar with the Stronger by Science podcast and they were interested in getting into ours, with the Stronger by Science podcast and they were interested in getting into ours,

the way I would explain it to them is that, you know what those guys talk about when they're not talking about anything intelligent? You know, for those moments in the show when you're just maybe going off on pure tangents and you're less intelligent portions, that's kind of what this is like only, only that portion.

If you took away all of the... Yeah, we don't have the intelligent part at all. We don't even make an attempt at it. Right. No, that, that sounds perfect. That's a, I think that's slowly what we're morphing into. Um, we, we initially thought like, Oh yeah, we know, we know things we can put out a high quality episode like every week. And then we realized like, Oh, we actually don't know that many things. Let's go every other week. And now we're still going every other week.

But, uh, the, the portion of the show that's just made up of, of bits and goofs and gags, it's just slowly expanding over time. Um, so yeah,

I think actually you guys are the trailblazers and, uh, soon we will have a mathonomics clone podcast. Right, right. Uh, we would be honored. Um, what I would, I would say like, uh, to be a little bit serious about it though, that the, you put out very intellectual information, but in a really digestible way, if that makes sense, that extremely informative, but yet also in a way that I'm not bored listening to it like I might be if I was going through other avenues.

because neither of us listen to any fitness podcasts, mostly because they do tend to, well, I assume most of them are kind of boring just because I've been on enough podcasts and I've been asked the same general set of questions enough times and I'm just like, oh, okay. Don't say any of those questions because we'll get to those questions so you can't use them all right now. Just don't ask me if people should squat high bar or low bar.

I will immediately hang up. Okay. Or we're going from here now. We have a lot of conventional versus sumo deadlift questions in the pipeline now. Oh, God. And you did mention an important fact. You do also lift weights yourself, uh, competed in powerlifting and, and quite strong. And I've noticed in your training now, things seem to be, uh, seem to be getting stronger and going stronger. Uh, got a hell of a squat going. It looks like working on it, man. Um, yeah, I, I set out some goals for myself probably like 10 years ago. Um, and I, I'm just hell bent on taking those off so I can do something else with my training.

Yeah. So what I, we talked about you being strong and being smart. So what I want to know, which one of these better describes you, which, which of these is a better description for Greg Knuckles, the strongest smart guy in strength sports or the smartest strong guy in strength sports? Uh, I don't know really, uh, probably neither. Um, so, I mean, so smart is, I think both of those are, uh, like kind of, kind of like wishy-washy terms. Because I mean, like, how do you define who is a strong person or not? So I mean, like,

and how do you define who is a smart person or not? Like, I'm sure there's, there are, I'm not just sure of this, I am positive of this. There are plenty of people way stronger than me in strength sports. And I haven't met everyone in strength sports, but I know people who are smarter than me and I assume. Uh, and I haven't met everyone in strength sports, but I know people who

are smarter than me and I assume there are a lot more. Uh, so yeah, I would say neither. Um, all right. We'll give you a pass. We'll give you a pass on that one. Uh, talk, talking about the smart, the smart thing, you know, um when i think greg knuckles i think science stuff and charts and confusing things statistics yeah statistics and things that don't involve it just going to the gym and lifting weights um what's something that you think like what's if you could pick one like principle or concept that that um every lifter should understand to make their training time more enjoyable, just better training? Could you narrow it down to one thing, one principle or concept that you think people should understand? I think more than anything, just the value of troubleshooting.

I think more than anything, just the value of troubleshooting. I think a lot of people get way too hung up planning too much on the front end. And they're like, okay, if I consume enough information and synthesize enough, I can come up with the perfect training program that will maximize results and blah, blah, blah. And like, that's not really how it works. blah, blah, blah. And like, that's not really how it works. Uh, so I mean, any source of information you get, uh, is, is generally going to be talking about things that are better or worse on average. And there are many, many ways that everyone differs from the average in some way, shape, or form. Uh, so I think that like ultimately the most valuable thing you can learn is just how to troubleshoot. So come up with a plan that's good enough on the front end and basically be

able to collect feedback and make changes based on that feedback until eventually what you're doing probably doesn't look all that similar to where you started, but you've just made little tweaks over time to make your training more effective for yourself. So I think just the value of being good at troubleshooting probably outweighs just about anything else other than just not being afraid of hard work. So work hard and maybe don't be afraid to change things up once in a while then, huh? Yeah. Don't be afraid to change things up, but also like have a reason for it. So, you know, don't just change things willy-nilly,

but, you know, track your training, see how it's going. If it's going well, don't change anything. If it's not going well, you know, try something else, make notes of how that goes. If it goes pretty well, like keep that in your back pocket. Like, you know, maybe when you plateau and try something else and then you plateau again and you're like, okay, what's something else to try? Like you, you have these ideas in your back pocket that have worked well for you previously. So, you know, just, just iterate and experiment over time and figure out

what works well for you. Hmm. Problem with that. That sounds like a really long game approach and we were hoping to get just really strong right away yeah i wanted like the one quick tip to like add massive mass to my body oh dude up the dose lift the most ah yes there we go that's something we can as written in scripture uh what i've got a a very important supplement question for you how do you pronounce this word? And I'm going to spell it rather than say it and bias you one way or the other. C-R-E-A-T-I-N-E. I say a creatine.

I think it can also be pronounced creatine. I don't think it really matters all that much. I feel like I grew up only ever hearing people say creatine. And like within the last five years, I feel like it's one of those words. And you correct me if this is completely off base that sometimes people want to feel smarter. So they will pronounce words in a different way. And they will. And even though everyone said creatine for a long time, all of a sudden it became that change.

Creatine. Yeah, creatine. What's your take on that? I mean, I don't know. I don't like it. I'm getting old enough that I'm fearful of change. So, I mean, I grew up saying creatine. My grandpappy grew up saying creatine.

In my household, we say Merry Christmas and we say creatine. My grandpappy grew up saying creatine. In my household, we say Merry Christmas and we say creatine. But other people with their alternative lifestyles and alternative pronunciation, they can do what they want. Just don't do it around my kids. Okay. I can take comfort in that answer there. That's fair. I just thought of this as you were explaining that answer. On your podcast, you and Eric Helms have been known for taking pretty hard stances when it comes to marijuana. Oh, God. We are from, the Mastinomics crew is from Western Northeast South Dakota, and our state just recently voted to legalize both medical and recreational marijuana.

Did you really? Yeah, both. Both at the same time. But Western Northeast South Dakota got legal fees before North Carolina? We've had our, there's a lot of people suing the government right now to try and overturn that. We don't want to give the citizens too much. That's what I wondered. So is that your take? I mean, is, is this, would this be the end of our state as we know it?

Oh, a hundred percent. No. So, so actually being serious, one of the things that brings me the most joy with the Stronger by Science podcast is that bit. Because when we do our sarcasm, I feel like we lay it on pretty thick. But every time we have a virulently anti-marijuana bit in the podcast, someone always thinks we're being serious and they leave us a very, very vicious iTunes review. And that's the funniest shit. Like we keep coming back to that bit

because I require the high that I get from those one-star iTunes reviews. It's the best. The thing about it, though, when you guys are being sarcastic and facetious on your show, you have a way of doing it so dry

that, to me, it's hilarious and I love it and I get it, but I can see how if someone just catches you for the first time. Just don't get it. What do I jump into here? Yeah.

Unsubscribe. But that's what makes it great. Yeah. That's why we do it the way we do. And we've, we've started trying to make our sarcasm more and more obvious to see like how far we can push it and someone still take it seriously. And that's in thus far, we still haven't found the limit.

Yeah. So how do you enjoy the podcast? And you guys have been added and consistent for a long time. And, and prior to that stronger by science I guess you could explain mass for a while. I mean, that's been a lot around much longer than say the podcast, as far as I understand it. So how would you compare those two different formats and do you enjoy, do you enjoy the podcast? Uh, now you've been at it for this long. Uh, so doing the podcast is really fun. Um, both of them. So there, there,

there are pros and cons to both. Um, so the, the pro is that doing the podcast and doing math every month forces me to put content out. Um, like I can't just say, you know, I, uh, I haven't really been getting into anything, uh, at writer's block, whatever, like it forces me to get out content every single month. Um, so that's good. The thing I don't like about it is both of those things cut into article writing time. Uh, and that's, I think what I like the most because I can just like really, really dive into a subject and get into the nitty gritty. Um, so yeah, there, there are pros and cons. The actual recording process is really fun. Um, cause I think like most of it is, uh, so we'll, we'll have an outline and basically like there is, you know, a set amount of information we want to cover and we want to get through,

but probably at least two or three times per show. Uh, Eric just tries to see if like he can make me crack up. Uh, and I do the same to him and it's it's funny when it works and it's i think even funnier when it doesn't work so in the in the last episode what are you trying to do so in the last episode eric had a thing he was talking about fish oil i was like oh my god when he brings up epa i'm going to just make like a little remark about like like referencing how libertarians want to abolish the epa um which you know like that's that's not a huge joke but it's like it's like a little reference uh and and when i did it like he he was just 100 fish oil brained at the time. And he just had no idea what he was talking about

or what I was talking about. And I think it made for some good audio content. I don't know. Maybe it didn't. I enjoyed it though. I mean, that's like 50% of podcasting is you got to have fun with what you're talking about. Right. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about, this is switch gears slightly about average to

average, average to savage 2.0. So I, when you brought that out here, you, I don't know if it's still the case. You can correct me or explain this. At the time when I got it, it was just whatever you wanted to pay for it, you could pay for it, which is kind of a cool concept. I think even if maybe you could just pay $1 or $0 even if you wanted to, and you could still get it from you. I did get it then, and I can't remember I paid something fair for it

because I was just interested in it and wanted to read up on it. I haven't actually done it yet myself, but I wanted to get my hands on it and look through it. Really liked it. So we have Mastonomics Gym, which is a small little club, kind of powerlifting strength gym that we have. And a few of our members had, I mean, people are always asking about programming all the time,

and I mentioned Average to Savage 2.0 to a couple of our members had, I mean, people are always asking about programming all the time. And I mentioned average to average, average to Savage 2.0 to a couple of them. I can't really say that right now, but so we've had three people run it consistently for a couple of times through now. One of the guys, he went from a, he just finished, he just finished up his first go at it. And he went from a 370 pound one rep max squat to doing four 10 for a set of three. So he had enormous progress. His bench went from a two 81 rep max to he did a two 85 by two at the end. So he improved there and his deadlift. He added a, I think he had five sets of one at the end so he improved there and his deadlift he added uh i think he had five sets of one at the end and he was like a 10 pound pr that he actually did for five sets of one that day so he made great progress using your program nice i'll take it yeah yeah and we've we've had a couple

others that have really enjoyed it too and for those that don't know about a couple of highlights of the program i would say is the regulation that it builds in. How if you're having a crap day, you don't feel like the whole program has just gone to shambles and you're like, where do I go from here? I didn't hit my prescribed numbers. You can live with yourself and live with that. And also the alternative, if you're doing great, it accounts for that and can progress going forward. So that was just kind of my thoughts I wanted to get out there

on Average to Savage. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, it's... So starting with the pricing thing, when we launched it, it was five bucks, but you could pay more if you wanted to.

We've since bumped it up to 10, but you could pay more if you wanted to. Um, and we, we've since, we've since bumped it up to 10, uh, but you can pay more if you want to. And the reason we priced it so cheap is just, um, like, I don't know, there's a part of me that, uh, so I I'm 29. And so like, it wasn't that long ago that I was like in school and super broke. And back then, uh, like when people would put out training programs, they were like 20, maybe 30 bucks. Uh, and you know, at the time, like on a student budget, that was still like a stretch, but I was like, okay, I can, I can save for a little bit and afford that. Uh, and like, you know, the, the most expensive stuff out there that you'd see was like maybe 50 bucks, give or take. Um, and these days, like when I see

programs, most of them are like starting point is around 50 and I see them up to like 150, 200, uh, which like, so I, I understand just from like an economics perspective, like the fair value of a thing is at least theoretically whatever people are willing to pay for it. So if people are willing to pay those numbers, like who am I to say it's unfair? Right. Like I still remember so vividly a time when, you know, a $70 or much less like an $150 program would just be like a completely insane number to me. And so, you know, like I wanted something that was good that I could put out there that would be affordable to virtually anyone. And the other thing as well is like, so I understand, again, just like from a pure business perspective, generally, you can like maximize sales, like maximize revenue, if you can sell something that's more expensive to like a more affluent audience. But like,

looking at our audience statistics, like we have a lot of people in India and we have a lot of people in Southeast Asia that consume our content. And like they would message me on Instagram and be like, hey, like I want to support you, but like I can't like I just can't afford to subscribe to mass. Like our currency isn't that valuable, like incomes in our country can't support that. like incomes in our country can't support that. And so, I mean, like those people aren't able to afford a 50 to $150 program. Like that's absurd. So, you know, essentially if you're trying to put something out there, you know, not just to make money, but also to help people, if you price it too high, like you're cutting like probably like two thirds of the world's population out of

the potential for like people who could benefit from it. Uh, and so like, you know, on one hand you could say like, okay, that's what like free programs are for and like free content. But you know, generally the free programs out there aren't, uh, you know, they're, they're generally like pretty pre-made cookie cutter stuff. Um, and so, you know, they're, they're generally like pretty pre-made cookie cutter stuff. Um, and so, you know, I, I wanted something out there on the market that was good that anyone could afford. Um, so yeah. And then as far as, as far as all of the auto regulation things in the program go, a lot of that was just, so a lot of that was based on coaching actually.

A lot of that was based on coaching, actually. So the biggest thing is I don't trust myself. There would be so many times where this wouldn't happen for every client every week, but it happened enough that it annoyed me where, you know, basically based on someone's RPE or like based on the number of sets someone completed, like I had these rules in my head where it was like, okay, if someone completes this many sets, I know that like this weight wasn't quite challenging enough for them. So like, I want to bump their training max up. Uh, and then like, you know, I'm just doing client updates and occasionally I would make mistakes. Um, and so like, I, I don't trust myself to do things like that perfectly, but I do trust myself to write really good if-then statements in Excel. And so I, I just, I just wrote all of these like little rules where,

you know, based on what was filled out in the spreadsheet, it would make the appropriate adjustments every time. Uh, and so like I wrote all of those things for, for my clients, like for the, for the spreadsheet, I would send my clients just so like when I was making load updates, I wouldn't fuck anything up. And so since I had all of those little snippets there, I was like, well, okay, like now it's not all that hard to put together like generalized, like generalized auto-regulated programs with a whole bunch of different cool auto-regulation rules that people can, you know, just kind of plug and play with, um, to, to let people have auto-regulated programs where they don't have to think too hard. Cause I think that's, I think that's one of the things that, that, uh, turns

people off of auto-regulation. They're like, okay, like I'm going to the gym to lift. I don't want to have to think that hard. Uh, so basically you can decide on the front end, what kind of flavor of auto regulation you want to go with. And then the spreadsheet will do all of that stuff for you. And you know, you can just go lift and enjoy your workout. I think you did hit on one of the keys there, at least in my experience. Like when I go to the gym, I don't want to think. I want to know like, I just want someone or something to tell me what to do and I just go lift it and don't think about it.

I think having that is really one of the keys to making a program successful for someone. Oh, 100%. I think a lot of people assume that I think about my own training way more than I do. But no, for me, like I write programs where, you know, I don't have to look at my phone. I just have like written down like the exercises i'm doing and some rep goals i'm shooting for uh and that's it um like you know i i don't i don't want to rate my own rpe after every set like i don't want to use a bar speed tracker and like you know make load decisions based on that

and if people do that's perfectly fine uh and in fact it it's probably good. I just don't want to do that. And I feel like most people don't either. Yeah. That's a really high level of commitment once you're getting there. Yeah. And you, you said how you, you're good at the working the Excel,

you know, you, you're, you're able to do the, if then statements in Excel and, and you, you have this all set up now. It's funny at the,

with the people that are running average to savage, savage in the gym. Um, we say, uh, they have a week coming up. They, they performed well on their bench press. So next week it moves up and they've got a 300 for a set of six and they're nervous about it. And I say, well, coach Greg knows what he's doing. You just have to trust coach, coach Greg. So we have this thing where it's Coach Greg. Just because we have this Excel spreadsheet, it's like you're physically coaching them along the way. I'll take it, man. Yeah, the Coach Greg thing is kind of a running bit now.

Oh, man, that's funny. So I have another question. This is a question I had about the program. If I'm going to run it, say I'm going to start the program next week and I'm familiar with reps and reserve and RPE, like you said, there's a few different ways to go about that. typically an AMRAP set and that's how you judge it by the number of reps completed on that AMRAP set. Which one would you generally most strongly recommend to someone for trying the first time? Which of those versions? It's interesting actually because the version that I personally thought when I launched it was

the best version is kind of like the, what I think it's called in the instruction document, like the original version. So in that one, basically, uh, you go in, you know, what weight you're lifting, you know, how many, uh, reps you're doing per set. And there's a RP cutoff, uh, or reps and reserve cutoff. And so basically like, you know, if it says like, ah, do 400 for sets of four, you just do sets of four until you hit the reps in reserve cutoff. So, like, let's say that's three. You know, once a set starts getting pretty hard,

you just ask yourself, like, ah, do I think I could have done four more reps? Probably not. Okay, I have three reps in reserve. I'm done. And I liked that method for a couple reasons. So one of the reasons was kind of theoretical. You know, basically, I think that training volume is really important. And with that method of auto-regulation, your daily volume auto-regulates basically based on your performance day to day. So days that you're not feeling particularly great, you're not performing particularly well, you end up doing fewer sets. And if you do few enough, it bumps your training max down, you know, because that might be an indication that it crept too high.

In days you're feeling really good, you end up doing more sets, completing more volume, getting in more practice with your competition lifts, all good things. And if you get enough, it bumps your training max up because that's an indication that maybe the weight's not quite heavy enough and you need to progress. So I like that just on a theoretical basis. And on a practical basis, all of the methods of auto-regulation that are there in the program bundle are basically things I progress through with my clients. And, and that was like, that has ended up being the version that has produced the most success with the people I've coached. Um, so, you know, I was like, theoretically, this is the best, the best version.

And just practically based on what I've seen with my clients, this is the best version. Uh, but you know, maybe people won't like that because since the number of sets you're doing is a variable, you don't know when you go to the gym. Like, you know, people who maybe only have an hour to lift, you know, maybe your workout is going to be 45 minutes. Maybe it's going to be two hours. Like a lot of people don't like that uncertainty. So I added the other versions in, you know, basically just for people who like that sense of control over how long their sessions are going to be. But I didn't think they were quite as good. Again, based on theoretical reasons, and also just practically what I've seen with my clients. What I was surprised to find out is

actually based on results that have come in, the version where you do a set to failure on all of your like core and auxiliary lifts every single time is actually tending to produce the best results. Um, and so like based on my experience with clients, that general approach worked pretty well for a bit and then just kind of started running people into the ground. Um, but I think it, I think it's generally working pretty well for people because I think that a lot of people just kind of suck with rating RPE or reps and reserves. And I think that there's some degree of path dependency here

because when I got into powerlifting, most people at the time still kind of had like a bodybuilding background. Uh, and, and the ones that didn't like, you know, still, you were generally recommended to do a fair, a fair bit of like, quote unquote, bodybuilding style accessory work for everything. Uh, and also like West side was really big. So, you know, people were doing a lot of one rep maxes and three rep maxes all the time. And so basically like when I learned about RPE, I felt really good about it. Cause like I knew what failure felt like because I had failed a lot. Uh, so, you know, if someone says like, do, do a set and stop two reps shy of failure,

I've done enough sets to failure that I had a really good idea of what two reps shy of failure felt like. And now I think that there's like a new crop of lifters that have come up with like RPE and reps and reserve being kind of dominant ideas floating around in the ether that they haven't really trained to failure enough to use reps and reserve well. And I've seen this with a fair amount of clients um where you know like they they say like okay like i'm uh like most of my

training up to this point i've used rpe or reps and reserve and i'm like okay cool like you like that we'll we'll go with that uh and then like i would ask for videos for, for key sets that they would do. And I'd watch the video and they'd say that it was an RV eight. And I'd look at, look at it and be like, look, unless you just have the most bizarre fatigue curve I've ever seen, you did not have two reps in reserve. Like that was not an RV eight. Uh, and then like the next week I programmed them the same way and say, take a set to failure. And like, you know, maybe they did a triple at eight RV and then on the set to failure, they get like nine.

I'm like, okay, uh, that was not an RV eight. That was an RV four. Um, and so I, I think like, you know, obviously not everyone is like that, but I think that there are a fair number of people who basically stop everything way, way far farther from failure than they realize. Uh, and just like, at least for a time, just having a dose of doing a lot of stuff to failure one can't be that bad unless you just end up way overdoing it. And since there are program deloads, I'm not giving you enough rope to hang yourself too hard if it does end up being too much.

And, I mean, it's hard work. It's getting people accustomed to feeling what failure feels like. And then after that, if they want to go use an RPE or reps and reserve approach, I think they'll then be able to do that a lot more productively because they'll have a better benchmark for what failure feels like. That makes a lot of sense. As an anecdote for the guys at MassAnomics Gym that have been running it, the version they've been enjoying the most is what you said at the end of

your last set where you finish with a max rep set. And the feedback I've heard from most of them is that they don't like judging the RPE. And this just takes that out of the equation for them, you know, because they know how to do a max rep set. And there's, you know, there's not much room for error there. And they just like that part of it. And there's, you know, there's not much, uh, not much room for error there. And they just like that part of it. Yeah. I mean, that, that checks out and, uh, I have no problem with that whatsoever. Well, I'll let them know.

That's what coach Greg said. They got the go ahead. Well, so another thing I'll say about that is, is I think that a lot of people hear that and they hear like, Oh, you're, you're going to failure on multiple lifts every single week. Uh, and they just think like that has to be way, way too much. But the thing is like, it's one set for each exercise. So in practical terms, there's, uh, like 10 core or auxiliary lifts, like there's squat bench deadlift. And then two, uh, like close variation squat movements to close variation bench movements. Uh, one close variant, close variation overhead

press. I forgot overhead press it's in the program too. Uh, I forget about it because I always remove it. I hate it. Uh, and, uh, and one close variation deadlift. So there's 10, like, core lifts you're doing per week. So, like, basically over a training week, you're doing 10 sets to failure and only three for each general movement pattern. So, like, you know, you're going to failure frequently, like, in terms of number of sessions that have failure sets per week. But in terms of the total number of sets to failure you're doing like it's not that many uh and it's also like definitely not that many

on a per movement pattern basis so like it's it's not as tough to recover from as i think a lot of people would assume it would be yeah and i think that is how it plays out in actual practice too kind of supports that from what i've seen i've got one other training related question then we have our overrated underrated game that we have to have you play that will fill you in more on here soon but there was one other training thing i wanted to make sure to ask and it has to do with um in power lifting people will conventionally uh their training there will be a volume block or a hypertrophy block that you start off with and a lot of times the uh the old set rep scheme would be four sets of ten three sets of ten four sets of eight you know something like that

uh of of each particular movement and it seems like what you move more towards rather than four sets of 10 is getting the additional volume through additional sets rather than high rep sets. So maybe you're doing seven or eight sets at, uh, and never doing more than I'm making up a number of five or six reps. Um, what am I generally, is that generally what,

what you move towards and, and what, what is the logic behind that? Well, so there, there is a hypertrophy program in the bundle, uh, and that does have you doing more reps per set and, and being closer to failure every single set. Uh, like I, I do think that that's at least in my opinion, the best practical way to approach hypertrophy training. Um, so the, the earlier blocks of the strength programs, uh, in that bundle, um, they, they do do what you're saying. So, you know, you're, uh, you might be in kind of like the classical hypertrophy range in terms of like intensity.

like the classical hypertrophy range in terms of like intensity. But instead of taking every set within, you know, two or three reps to failure and only doing like three or four sets, you are doing fewer reps per set, but a lot more of them, at least in like the quote unquote original version of the program. And I do that for a couple of reasons. One is, so I, I, I view, so in my opinion, like all powerlifting training, uh, ideally, unless you just absolutely need a 100% pure hypertrophy block, uh, should keep you pretty good at powerlifting. Uh, and so with, with lower rep sets and more of them, basically like all of them

can still be pretty crisp, right? So, you know, if you're doing a set of 10, like the first five will be good. And then like, maybe form will start getting a little bit iffier and you get closer to failure. Um, so like you, you're basically isolating it to just the crisp reps. Um, and then another thing, so like one, you're, you're not doing any, you're not doing much, if any, like low quality practice, it should all be high quality practice. Uh, another thing is I have found when power lifters make too big of a stylistic shift too quickly. So, you know, like, let's say you're doing, um, you're doing a training cycle leading up to a meter leading up to a testing day. And you're, you're just doing a heavy diet of doubles and triples because you're, you're really getting prepared to test your max. And then you're like, okay, uh, I tested it. It went well. It went

poorly. Doesn't really matter. Okay. Like now's off-season time. Let's do some hypertrophy work. I found that when people go from the really heavy, highly specific stuff to something that looks like a bodybuilding program overnight, they tend to get a lot of overuse injuries. a lot of overuse injuries, uh, just because like, it's, it's a huge, huge change in training style. And it's way more, it's a different type of stress than they've been exposed to recently. And it's a lot of it. Um, so I, I find that, uh, you know, sticking with rep ranges that people are a little bit more familiar with tends to cut down on that a little bit. Uh, and, and the last thing is like, I don't necessarily think that that is the ideal way to train for hypertrophy. Uh, but I think it still works. So basically, you know, I'm, I'm looking for a way to keep people in good shape for powerlifting, like with, with training that, that, you know, at any point, if they wanted to hit a heavy single, they'd be within 90, 95% of their best. So they, they're, they're staying

in shape and in practice for powerlifting, but it is still going to cause a non-negligible amount of hypertrophy. Like, I think that basically the method I hit on works pretty well for that. So I, I definitely wouldn't claim that it is the ideal way to train for powerlifting, but based on the constraints I'm working with of trying to keep someone in a relatively well-trained state for the sport of powerlifting, I think it works well enough. Right on. Well, that's way more training than we actually typically talk about on our podcast, but there was just a few things I was really excited to ask you about a lot of good info there yeah oh yeah i came on to bullshit yeah i have quite frankly been surprised and not in a good way so far well we're going to make that a

change for a better time do you think we're ready for overrated underrated i think we're ready the real question is is greg ready well that's the thing That's the thing, Greg. So here's how the game works. It's called Overrated Underrated. You can probably figure out mostly how it goes from there. But even if you can't, you're lucky there are rules that we have in place. These are special Greg Knuckles topics that we've hand-selected today. And you have your druthers, how you choose to answer each one it's not necessarily lightning round

we say the questions come lightning round but the answers don't have to be you have your druthers for how long or how short you want to answer but you do have to land on either overrated or underrated you cannot ride the line between and say that anything is appropriately rated that's probably

the key part here. Is that the highlights, Tommy? I think so. Okay, so are you ready to play? Yeah, this sounds like a game of hot takes, and I'm all about hot takes. And the other, probably, I left out the most important thing to keep in mind,

your entire guest podcast performance rides on the outcome of of of this game i mean if this goes bad we might not publish this right this could ruin it uh i i could not be more ready okay at stake there are uh typically what we award people are jd power and associates awards and cool beans so that's what we got writing on this. Ooh, I live in a better business bureau household. But I can make an exception for old JD this time. Okay, okay, excellent. It sounds like we're all on the same page here then.

So, topic number one of Overrated or Underrated. Overrated or Underrated, the great British baking show. Oh man, uh, that's good. I would say, I would say overrated. Um, so I think that the early seasons were appropriately rated, but it seems like people still love it. They're still very obsessed with it. There was a lot of drama this season.

A fan favorite, Baker people who did make the finals over this fan favorite who they thought didn't deserve it. So like, it's something that people are still very obsessed with and passionate about. And I got to say after Mel and Sue and Mary left, it just doesn't have the same magic. It is, it is way overrated at this point.

Wow. It does have quite the following, though. For anyone that's not, it's on Netflix, first of all, for anyone that hasn't seen it. Greg, you are very into baking, from what I understand. I'm not personally, but I do get caught up in that show. I don't know anything about baking, but it is an intriguing show. I would say, especially compelling television. Yeah.

Yes. Yes, it is. And there's something about the reality television. And I think it's just British people where they're so much nicer than, um, what I associate with a lot of American reality television you know what I think the the secret ingredient is no I want to know there's not there's not a there's not a cash prize you write the only thing you get for winning is the pride of knowing you won.

And these days, it's big enough that you're probably going to get a book deal for a cookbook, and you might make some media appearances. But there's not a million dollars to the winner or something like that. So it's very antithetical to every American conception of a game show or a reality show. But I think it makes for, for much chiller vibes overall. Yeah. That is kind of an interesting concept because that essentially doesn't exist in America where you have a game show with no real prize at the end.

Right. Yeah. I mean, so I think the closest thing was probably whose line. Uh, and I think that's one of the reasons people loved it. Like they were, they were just on there to be entertaining.

Brian and Colin weren't trying to ruin the other one's bit in order to win the prize. It was just good vibes all around. Yeah, I like how you threw in that secret ingredient pun in that too. The secret ingredient. I do what I can. If you were to be judged by Paul Hollywood, is it Paul Hollywood? Is that his name? The steely blue eyed guy? Would you ever feel like punching him in the face if he got a little

over critical of you? Probably not. I don't know uh so here here one thing i learned about paul that has not allowed me to see him the same way since is like in the early in the early seasons they make a big deal about how big and burly he is like two would always call him like you big gorilla you or something like that yeah uh dude like five six five seven you know not to hate not to hate on manlets like manlets are people too um but the thing is like unless you have like serious like fight training i'm not going to be intimidated by you if if you're like five six i'm sorry i'm just not uh so i i think if anything i would i

would have a harder time just taking him seriously like he'd say something mean i'd be like it's it's all right there little guy like yeah i think it works in his favor that a lot of like the some of the others on the show are like five foot even there's been some of the shortest people i've seen in television on this show before no yeah that's what got me that's that's why it took me so long to realize how short he was i i just assumed everyone else on the show was like normal height and so he was probably like yeah 5 10 5 11 but like everyone else like all of the other judges and like hosts there in the early seasons were very very they were very tiny people i think one of the ladies is 4 11 maybe even it's that british nutrition

i think that's one of the hosts that replaced Melan Sue. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Yes. But yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Well, good answer. Overrated or underrated Microsoft Excel. Uh, Oh man. Um, Oh, that's tough.

I would say, I would say the answer to that question is context dependent, but I'm going to come in hot and say overrated. Uh, when I say Excel, it's kind of like when people say Kleenex, but they're just talking about any brand of, of tissue paper that you might blow your nose on. Um, I, I'm actually like a Google sheets, write or die. And there are, there are some functions in Excel that you can't do in Google sheets. Uh, but I, I have to use those so rarely that I just don't care. Um, and like, dude, Excel these days takes up so much fucking RAM.

It's ridiculous. It's a monster of a program. Dude, it acts like it's a fucking video, like a video processing program, which is ridiculous. It's a spreadsheet. Yeah, we get to see white boxes on the screen. Yeah. How does it take up that many computer resources? So like one, it's a resource hog, which is all the reason I need to not use it most of the time.

And two, Microsoft's like online, like their version of Google Drive, basically like where you can share and edit documents collaboratively, fucking sucks. It's terrible. And so, you know, for making programs for clients where like, I want to be able to work in the same sheet as them and not have to email different versions

of a single Excel file back and forth, uh, Google sheets is so much better. So, um, I think, I think Excel definitely has many applications that Google Sheets can't match in some certain context, but for the vast majority of general spreadsheet users and specifically like spreadsheet users in the fitness space, Google Sheets does everything you need to do. And in terms of like the actual joy of using it and sharing it with people, so much better than Excel. So Excel, mad overrated. Would you consider yourself an Excel wizard? Like, do you have to Google like functions and things or do you have all the ones that you need to know down?

So I don't know. I would say I'm an above average Excel user. There are a lot of functions that I actually don't know and don't use that often. So I actually updated the program spreadsheets not that long ago to make them more lightweight by using the H lookup and V lookup functions, which I didn't know about. I just 100% used if-then statements. 100% used if-then statements. I think one of the reasons I like spreadsheets is I like logic

problems, where if I have all of the input somewhere in the spreadsheet, I can use the perfect set of if-then statements to make it do whatever I want to. Dude, I just use a shit ton of if-then statements,

which I know is like a very small fraction of what a good spreadsheet program can do. But like, that's, that's most of my spreadsheet usage if I'm being honest. Yeah. If then statements to the point where you put your cursor in there and start scrolling over, you can like hold down the arrow key and you're like, wow, when do I get to the end of this formula? Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah. Um, all right. That's good. I didn't, I wasn't aware that excel was that large of a program like that it's just microsoft in general just like like word it's a word processor and somehow oh yeah word too jesus christ yeah word won't crash my computer the same way excel will but like if i have three Word documents open, my computer's done. And like, you know, I'm not like a PC gamer. I don't have a top of the line computer, but like, it's okay. It's two years old and it was decent when I bought it new. So like, dude, I remember the golden age of Word processing. The version of Word that came with Windows 95 was perfect. It had all of the important fonts. It had Arial. It had Times New Roman. I don't think it had Helvetica yet. That's

an oversight, but it probably would have gotten it eventually. It had Wingdings. That's what I was getting to. So, you know, if you wanted to send a secret code to someone, you could do it in Wingdings. And like, yeah, all you did was fucking type. That, if you wanted to send a secret code to someone, you could do it in Wingdings. Uh, and like, yeah, all you did was fucking type. That's all you need to do. Uh, if you're trying to do something beyond word processing, you're going to use Microsoft publisher anyways, or not be a loser who uses Microsoft publisher and use Adobe InDesign. So like word should be a lightweight program at this this point, honestly, like I use Google Docs because of course I do.

But if you don't want to use like an online thing, the open office version, like their Word processor, works a million times better than Word does. It does everything you want it to and doesn't just fucking destroy your program or destroy your computer every time you open a new document. So yeah, fuck Microsoft word,

open, open document, good stuff. The Google version, good Microsoft word, fucking terrible. Well, tell me we can probably kiss that Microsoft sponsorship.

Dude, I have dude I have strong opinions about Microsoft Office it's terrible it's so bad yeah I mean you could make an argument that a company that has unlimited resources should be better than that dude so I don't know anything about programming per se not just per se I don't know anything about programming per se,

not just per se. I don't know anything about the per se was good. They have to like their code has to be so massively unoptimized to run so poorly and take so many resources while also not doing that much that other much, much more lightweight programs don't do. Like it's baffling to me how it can suck so bad. Yeah. I don't really get, I've heard the argument like in the defense of Excel, I've heard people say that like, because it's been around

since what the eighties that there's just bugs and functions in it that like businesses rely on to this day to know that it has to work that way so there's just all these legacy things that they can't change because it would just make whole businesses just collapse yeah so i've heard like that's why that does that but like word it's like it's it's i've never heard of people doing like functions and calculations in word it seems like just clean that up because there's all these apps that are doing that now way better than they are yeah it's a word processor that's the one that is just truly completely baffling yeah yeah yeah no that's good okay overrated say underrated for a couple of reasons. One, I don't see that many people doing them, period. So my assumption is that they're good just simply on the, on the, on the back there or on the fact that they're rarely done. And I think they're fine. They are inherently underrated. Um, the other thing I'll say is they doing pin squats connects you to one of the most underrated

strength legacies out there. And that is the strength legacy of Bud. Oh, I was going to say Bud Jeffries. Oh, Bud Jeffriesries also a friend of the we have had bud jeffries on the podcast before yeah oh hell yeah that's awesome yes dude so uh i remember when i was first getting into lifting uh like multiply was still the biggest game in town uh and all of the lifters i trained with in the original crew I trained with, they were all multiply lifters. Um, and like that seemed like a lot of trouble to me. And also like, I was like 14 and my parents didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on gear that I was going to out, outgrow anyways. Uh, so I was like, okay,

I'm doing this raw thing. No one does it. Everyone hates it. Uh, you know, if you're a raw person and you go on power lifting watch or outlaws everyone's gonna shit on you but like whatever like i'm gonna try to make this whole raw lifting thing work um and so like you know all of the big name lifters at the time were competing either multiply for the untested dudes or in single ply for like us apl ipf stuff uh and there there really weren't that many like inspirational raw lifters and then one day on youtube i just happened to come across bud jeffries doing an a thousand pound pin squat uh to like full depth starting from the bottom uh and that was that was at the time the most just mind-bending thing

i had ever seen someone do with a barbell uh and i think that's one of the things that like kept me motivated enough to continue sticking with raw it's like dude this guy's a fucking monster that's the coolest thing i've ever seen uh i want to want to be like Bud Jeffries and I'll never be like Bud Jeffries. There's only one Bud Jeffries. But, uh, but yeah, so simply the fact that probably Bud's most well known feat of strength is a pin squat. Every time you do pin squats, a piece of the soul of Bud Jeffries strength legacy resides in you, and that inherently makes him a very valuable lift. A piece of a Florida squat

rack in the grass is blessed upon yourself. Ah, Bud. Yeah, the Gillinghams do also utilize quite a few pin squats as well. There's another connection there. But yes, Bud, great choice. And I would say say as a note,

that's how you play underrated, overrated. How you analyze that in the first portion of that question is a part that a lot of people miss. You actually, we're not just saying, do I like this or dislike this? You are looking at the- In the public domain, how it's perceived. Right, that is an important part that a lot of people miss.

Okay, that's good. Last topic then, and this one is kind of worth all the marbles, overrated or underrated. it's perceived right that is an important part that a lot of people miss okay that's good uh last topic then and this one is kind of uh worth all the marbles overrated or underrated bill nye the science guy oh oh bill nye hmm this one's hard because i don't know what his normal rating is out there. So, cause I mean, there, there are people to whom Bill Nye is still basically God. Uh, he's, he's, he's an omniscient being that taught them everything they know about science when they were like seven years old uh and continues to not miss every time he says something publicly and there's also like another group of people who now hate him

that's been the one that maybe surprises me is the number of people that like hate bill nye uh yeah i mean i don't know um so yeah i don't know how Bill Nye is rated in the first place. I would say actually, so I would say Bill Nye is underrated for maybe like a slightly uncommon reason. So one of the things that annoys me about, uh, like popular science communicators is that they often come across as like kind of dickish, like overly confident, like below the eating blow hearts. Um, and, and the main person I have in mind right now is Neil deGrasse Tyson. Um, but, but also like Richard Dawkins is that way. Um, I feel like Jordan Peterson is that way. Just people who, who seem to be way too confident about way too many things. And it's just like, dude, if Neil deGrasse Tyson wants to be like way overconfident about astrophysics, dude go for it you're a fucking astrophysicist i'm i'm gonna assume when you say something it's right and you have every right to be as confident

as you want to be uh but like i don't know dude he uh like some of his takes on twitter are far too hot and like far too confident about things that are like way outside the realm that he's actually an expert in. And similar with like the other people I mentioned. And the thing with Bill Nye is I think that like, I think partially because he's not like actually, uh, an expert in any particular field of science, I think he still has like some degree of humility.

His background in engineering, I believe. And he's not really in academia like those other guys, right? Yeah, yeah. And so I remember, this was a couple of years ago at this point, he said something disparaging about philosophy, I'm pretty sure. Like, that's just like dicking around asking

like why we're here and like, you should actually learn science. And some people like put them in its place or they're like, no dude. Like, uh, so, uh, a classic thing is like, if someone's like, ah, like philosophy is pointless, uh, you say like, why? And then whatever they start saying, you can say like, okay, now you're doing philosophy. And then they're like, oh shit. So anyway, like- Mind blown. And also another thing I'll add is like, if you care about science at all, philosophy of science is like a very, very important thing that you should at least have your feet wet in and know a little bit about. So basically, Bill Nye said something fairly ignorant about philosophy, and some people put

him in his place. And the next time he did an interview, he brought that up and he's like, oh yeah, I was completely wrong. I've started reading more philosophy. It's actually good shit. I fucked up. And the thing is, I don't see that level of humility from people who are very, very public intellectuals or science popularizers. And that was a very, very cool move in my book. So I would say Bill Nye is underrated for that reason. That's good. That's some solid logic on the Bill Nye rating. What do you think, Tommy? So that wrapped it up. Do you think heye rating um what do you think tommy did so that

that wrapped it up do you think he passed i think he did i think he did in fact pass okay that's good we usually break it down more after you're off the show so you'll have to listen to see what we really really said about it once you're off the critical review will be coming behind closed doors we do it behind your back because it's awkward otherwise. So you'll have to listen for that. But yeah, Greg, that kind of wraps up what we had. If people want to follow you or Mass or Stronger by Science, where does everyone do all of that at? So if you want to follow the Stronger by Science podcast

that I am occasionally a temporary guest co-host on, you can find that at sbspod.com or the Sharner by Science YouTube channel. If you want to follow me on Facebook, it's just Greg Knuckles. Same thing with Instagram. Same thing with Twitter. Really, I'm probably most active on Instagram these days

as like a personal platform. And if you want to interact with me about something like lifting related, probably the best thing to do is to join the stronger by science community Facebook group. I'm pretty active in there. So yeah, those, those would probably be the main places.

Cool. Awesome. Well, we're pulling for you to get that uh permanent host status at some point in time on the podcast and uh tell mr helms we said hi oh can i make a quick plug yes yeah yeah anything else yeah go ahead yeah so so anyone listening uh hundreds thousands of you blow up eric trexler's inbox on instagram facebook Facebook, uh, email, if you can find it anywhere where you can contact them. I need literally thousands of you to make his inbox

a living hell telling him to make me the permanent co-host on the stronger by time podcast. Uh, so, so please, please do that. Well, everyone, you heard him. That's, that's your job. All right. All right. Awesome. Thanks, Greg.

We appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Greg. Yes. Thanks for having me on. All right. See you later. Yeah.

Great. See you later. See ya. Bye. What do you think, Tommy? Oh, does he get the cool?

I mean, I think we're gonna, he got the cool beans. He got it. Both of them that he earned both of them. He did. I think we're gonna Cool beans Cool beans Cool beans He got the cool beans He got it Both of them He earned both of them He did

He worked for them That was a That was a long That was longer than He usually goes That was Yeah You get him going

I mean he knows his stuff It takes a long time To get all that information out He does He's much much smarter Than us isn't he Just like Hearing that stuff

Makes me realize I know so little about the intricacies of the actual science and the principles behind strength training. Right, right. It is funny how you can realize how little you know. Yeah. I go to the gym and live. And I still think that I know more than a lot of people that I know.

That's a good point, too. That's actually a very solid point too where eons beyond like uh people you see just spin their wheels for for years and decades yeah yeah and then you you talk to people that you're like wow i don't know what i what's going at all on at all do i but no that's cool perspective yeah yeah you gotta have it that's what they call it yeah so you did say mention something about world's strongest man ah it's getting pretty late though maybe that way is that a teaser uh this is an official world's strongest man teaser okay great i bet it's exciting news too very exciting but everyone's gonna have to wait for episode 249

and then also hope that we remember to talk about it yeah i would say one thing uh podcast reviews we are on the road to to 300 and we are at now 280 so we are getting so very close that 300 is getting up there i'm gonna read two really quick first one is the best and it's from malachian crumb it says simply the best podcast about i don't know what in western northeast south dakota very true the next one is from big black steve and big black steve says cool beans type that out with everything going on right now and being able to have the long conversations between sets with uh sorry with everything going on now and not being able to have the long conversations between sets with people at the gym it's great being able to listen to these gym

conversations the best lifting podcast about nothing from central western northeast south dakota listening from ab listening from aberdeen new jersey looking forward to the upcoming episodes on how to get strong stay strong and use my strength when you listen to this show you'll be chuckling through your nose periodically throughout the whole episode 5jd power and associates did you know there's an aberdeen new jersey no isn't there's an aberdeen maryland isn't there um that sounds right well i guess we don't know i guess we don't know enough to disprove him so i'll have to go with it isn't Aberdeen, Maryland. That sounds right. Well,

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probably this week uh if by the time you're talking about that didn't yeah oh well by the time this week comes we have a lot of um oh yeah we have new stuff coming yeah we have new stuff yeah we really did put that off to the very end yeah but and like so it's not going to drop at the beginning it's it's going to come out later this week so be on the lookout later this week it could possibly be the next week one thing we're waiting on it could possibly be the next week but we do have a pretty major restock coming out a lot of things the big the big one that a lot of people want is the uh the kind of fit kind of fat is coming back yeah this will probably be it for that one yeah so uh there's a lot of people signed up for the uh for the in-stock notifications

it'll probably last longer than five hours i get it the last, but I don't know if it'll last a day though. No. And lift shorts are coming back in stock for the first time in quite a while, especially in like Excel and two Excel sizes. Yeah. We have all sizes finally back in decent stock, but they are going to sell fast because of how long we've been out of

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up to be notified by email when we say it's back in stock. Yep. Otherwise, we got some new drinkware coming. Yeah, it's very cool. We've got a new lower body item that I can't probably say too much about at this point in time. But there is a new lower body item coming. And people get pretty excited about our lower body items. Our lower body items have been known to not stay in stock very long. And these do not go past your knees. These ones that are coming in, this lower body item. So items have been known to not stay in stock very long and these do not go past your knees these ones that are coming in this lower body you do the math yeah and it is something we've never done before and it is that is a uh going to be a very limited uh limited

product something similar to what we've done in the past of a limited product where you will there will be certificates of authenticity at stake on this one that's how you know it's the real deal yeah and sign up to become a supporting member of the podcast if you want to yeah massonomics.com slash join yep there's the different levels there a lot of people have been signing up it's been very cool i would say we greatly appreciate everyone that signs up to become a supporting member it's really cool. Each one of those that comes in is very cool. And I'm not going to name drop, but there are very cool people that are supporting members.

Some pretty noteworthy people in that group. Yeah, let's just say you would hear of them. You've heard their names before. If we threw them out there, you'd be surprised. So you can be like them, become a friend of the podcast and sign up up that's about it tommy where do they find you on instagram you can find me at tomahawk underscore d you can find me at tainter underscore baird but just make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics