Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 263: Cailer Woolam

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

Cailer Woolam joins us to discuss going from sacking groceries to winning the Super Bowl for the St. Louis Rams….. oh wait, that was Kurt Warner. We talked to Cailer about deadlift world records and tearing your pec after you run out of gas. The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Yeah. website and everything. Masanomics! Welcome back everyone to episode 263 of the Masanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. We're here back again from western northeast South Dakota. We've got a good one today, Tommy. We've got a good one, like always. Like always. We've got a good guest coming up. We have several things to revisit I've seen on our list.

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You could say that's like a once in a two or three year occasion. Yes, right. Actually, we just did it not that long ago. Right, right. But it's pretty rare. It is pretty rare. Probably like about as rare as a solar eclipse or something like that. They're right. Same thing. I'm no astrologist, but I got to assume the frequency is the same. Oh like about as rare as a solar eclipse or something like that. They're right. Same thing.

I'm no astrologist, but I got to assume the frequency is the same. Oh, it's the same thing. Yeah. We did get a new piece of equipment at Mass Anomics Gym. Oh, we did. We got a few new pieces lately. I don't know if we ever talked. We got the Kabuki open-ended trap bar.

Yeah. Is that the official name? Is it the Kabuki trap bar? I don't know. I think that that's right. I think maybe it's the Kabuki HD trap bar or what's is that the official name the trap is it the kabuki trap bar i was i don't know i think that that's right i think it's the maybe it's the kabuki hd trap bar that sounds even better yeah i think that's what it is if it's not that they should probably call it that and then but more recently we got the rogue rm6 monster rack six post rack in red in massonomics massonomics red it wasn't rogue red it's really weird that they offered that massonomics they offered that and then later i think it's still coming this

week we have a whole bunch of attachments coming for that we've got the monolift attachments other spotter arms uh um just all kinds of stuff yeah some more pulls for holding weights yeah that's that thing looks pretty cool and so this is okay yeah so we are probably um there's probably a fair number of people that listen to this that have trained with or seen or used rogue racks in their life right um yeah yeah we've we've never had a rogue rack no down in the this is our first like um modern day power lifting rack yeah we've never had you know the the three by three steel erector set style racks we haven't had one of those we've had old school we had a cybex one we have one in there that i don't even know what make it is and you know we just have sps or whatever like these these ones that have no interchangeable

parts like that's kind of the beauty of these systems is that there are all these interchangeable parts and also even like between brands most of the stuff is interchangeable it all works and so now that we got it uh you've have you got more than one training session in with it i yeah i guess i did i really have only squatted out of once but i'm just using it for other things and i got to yeah i got to squatting it once and i guess compared to what we're used to for me i was more often than not i used the cybex rack that the one we replaced yeah the one we and um got rid of i mean functionally they do the exact same thing right uh if i was starting a gym and i was budget conscious i would not be worried about getting a rogue rack at all i wouldn't buy this one if you're very very very expensive very expensive. We're talking thousands of dollars

versus less than a thousand dollars. And in that case, if your budget matters, then there's a lot more things you can get for your money. Well, and that's why when we started a gym, we didn't. Yeah, I didn't have that. So I guess what shocked me probably the most is just how big a six post, how tall are these racks? This one's a hundred inch it's the middle this is kind of the standard it's not the shorter it's not the taller yeah so how big a six post hundred inch rack actually is they're monsters yeah it is called the monster it is called the monster but damn that thing people that have a garage gym i now i'm like yeah i get like that is your garage right yeah that that has to be the centerpiece

because after you have that, there's not like a lot of room to mess around. It's just, that's a big piece of machinery. It pretty much fills the eight by eight platform that we have it sitting on. It does. I mean, it takes up the whole thing. So now like if you're gonna do anything off the front,

like you're not gonna have the platform. Yeah, I'm gonna add another four by eight platform off the back of it. Yeah, so that would, the criticism would probably be that it's uh it's big and expensive yeah the pros would be it looks really cool it does look really cool really well built there's no doubt about that yeah yeah the old cybex one it would which again still a great piece and as far as far as lifting concerned, it is concerned. It does everything you need it to,

but that one, it would have some wobble to it when you'd wreck the weight. Sometimes, you know, the, the two and a half or the five way up on the top would fall off. There was just a certain amount of play and everything like this thing. It just,

it's there. Like it doesn't move. I probably wouldn't want, have wanted Dan bell to show up and squat a thousand pounds but he could out of this yes you know i'm pretty confident in that he probably could in the cybex too i would just be a little more hesitant okay thank god just get out of there yeah you get done with this workout you'd be like whoo yeah the bullet on that one yeah exactly um what else about it yeah it's mostly it looks cool oh it was it was an undertaking to put that thing together you know it it comes in a lot of boxes yeah for

a lot of boxes that was that also shocked me i know you said all right yep it's getting delivered you know freight showing up with it and then i walked in the gym i didn't know you guys were putting it together and i saw all these boxes and i'm thinking damn did tanner get a bunch of barbells too and i didn't know about it because the sheer number of boxes is uh shocking yeah and it's a it's a project we used an cordless impact wrench because like if you turned all of the note inch and a half wrench if you wrenched all of those that would be brutal yeah and i know i'm sure that's what a lot of people do but like do a lot of people do that though do you think i think well most i'll i don't know if average people have like cordless impact yeah probably not then especially that is capable

of utilizing inch and a half like it is enormous hardware like i mean you would be better off assuming you live in a town that allows you to you'd be better off going to like home depot and renting according to impact for the day right i i would yeah i would i mean you could you could put it together without it but like it would just suck i mean it took a long time with one with three guys that and also just like figuring out how it all goes together you know that there's like 50 bolts that come with it and when the bolts are an inch diameter and you know right like it's just the box of bolts is heavy and large yeah but no it we didn't really have any hiccups it's just is a process putting that thing something that big together yeah you need people to help you out like it's not something i don't know maybe

there is someone that's done it all alone but now that is i mean i'm sure people have but that is not a one-man job yeah it should not you could you could do it but that would take a while and that would suck i wouldn't even tackle it in one day i don't think if i was doing that i mean i wouldn't even tackle it at all by the time you got done like the your excitement would be so waned like oh yeah this curse over here like this thing i had to pay money for this yeah yeah so i'm excited to see the new attachments and everything when they come in i mean i'm already excited just to lift it all the time because it is really really nice but it does look cool i am excited to see these new attachments and uh you know see what this see what this is all about

i think we'll get some massonomics customization going on it too here you got to you can't get that thing and not get it all no massonomics up the lights the overhead lighting does hit it just right in the perfect spot there where it's yeah you like glow when you're squatting on it you do you do could be our pasty white skin but that's it too there's a certain glow south dakota winter yeah recovering from that remember for, I've been meaning to bring this up since we did episode 260. We said the countries with the fewest listeners,

one of them with one was Cuba. You're not, this will blow your mind. I know who the listener is from Cuba. No. Yes, I do. I know who the listener is from Cuba. It is Mary's listener is yes i do i know who the listener is from cuba it is um mary's uncle's wife i guess mary's my wife my wife's uncle's wife my wife my wife uh my wife's uncle's wife

maida listens to the masonomics podcast has listened to the Mastodonomics podcast before she's Cuban yes so I would bet money that it is her that's the one that she is the download so just really crazy that one of those and I knew the that's really

impressive yeah my wife brought that up to me yeah that's really good we'll have to try and get to the bottom of these other countries. See if we can find the one listener in all these countries and be like, have each, have them all on and be like, thank you for representing your country. Personally.

Thank every one of them. Tanner, we should hop into a beverage here. Cause I'm getting thirsty. What's in the can segment. Let's pretend it will be. It will be. Cause Tommy,

before you bust that out, I have something I have to bust out for for this special for this segment i like and do you know what i'm doing with this i don't know if i know because this is a what's in the can segment correct yep so oh we got the special masonomics blindfold yes these are also available on our website as masonomics og headbands but if you want to as a blindfold, you can go ahead and do that too. Tanner, that is a good-looking blindfold. And I can confirm I cannot see. Okay.

So you're going to have to have a look here. So here it is. And the only reason I said I don't know, I cannot remember if we've done this one before. I'm really flying blind here, though, because I— But you are flying blind, so— This is adding a—it's making podcasting feel harder to me. A whole other level to it. I also can't hear quite the same out of my headphones, which also makes it feel harder to me. A whole other level to it.

I also can't hear quite the same out of my headphones, which also makes it feel a lot different. Do I have my headphones on? Yep, they are on. They are, in fact, on your head. Smell. Almost no noticeable smell. But boy, is it refreshing what do we got tanner what do we got let me take another sip here

boy i gotta take one more sip i I'm not catching much here. Going back for more. Well, it's a sparkling water. I'm trying to decide if it's flavored or not. Okay. I'm leaning towards a pure. I think we had a pure LaCroix one day. But I'm going to feel ashamed of myself if I say pure and it is actually flavored let me take one more i'm gonna say it's pure la croix well tanner okay let's take a look let's take a look see remove that blindfold oh no look at the can looks colored. Tanner, we have ourselves a polar lemon seltzer.

Hmm. Let me, now I have to taste it now that I know what it is. And when you were saying that, I was like, damn, this really isn't flavored very heavily. Oh, yeah. I guess it's, I don't know. With my action, that was a true blind. I couldn't even see the color of the any color of the can out of the because sometimes i you can kind of maybe yeah

i catch it you know i try not to um so that makes it harder because i have no color reference we better keep that going forward right right that's that's a truer test i don't know it's lightly flavored yeah it is it's refreshing but it is lightly flavored. And Polar, usually, we were just saying last week, they have stronger flavors, it feels like. Yeah, I think this is, I can tell, I guess, but it tastes good. Yeah, I'd give it a three and a half, I think. Yeah, I'd give it a three and a half. Just because the flavor is a little bit on the light side.

But one piece of follow-up, Tanner, after the Pete Rubish podcast, Dan Bell said he could hear the sadness in his voice about not having an oven. Yeah. And did he send him a pizzazz? Is that what it was? Yeah, that looked like a pizzazz. So did Dan send him that?

I thought that's what it was, wasn't it? Or that's what it was, wasn't it? I didn't know. I saw he got one. I took that as... Here, maybe it's... i think it was in his story either way it's great that pete got a pizzazz i took it as and i could have read the message wrong but i took it as dan sent him a pizzazz okay but who knows that's even better

we should have sent him a pizzazz we should have been the pizzazz yeah do you have a pizzazz tanner no i we had one that you know in the house i lived in in college yeah i don't also i hardly remember even using it i've never had a pizzazz and i'm not sure if i've ever eaten off a pizzazz oh really yeah i have i have friends that have them i think it uh so i've probably i've probably had another friend's house and not known it but i've never knowingly ate off a pizzazz i think it cooks pizza pretty well and pretty quickly, too. You don't think you really have – there's no preheating. And there is something satisfying about watching it cook in front of you.

Yeah, and it's like – because it cooks as it goes through the thing. Especially as it's getting closer to the end, you're like, ah, it's like crisping it, visually crisping it. It's like Huck Finn and those guys. They're all big oh yeah and i do think they do a you know for as much of a yeah like i think that they're pretty decent i'm gonna have to look into this pizzazz but my thing is it's another small appliance you can fill your kitchen with that stuff you want to. I get, that's a pet peeve of my house is all the small kitchen appliances.

I'm like, yeah. They start to add up. All right, Tanner. We got a lot of follow-up here. So another one. I have someone, let me pull it up. I don't want to miss any names here, Tanner. So in my DMs.

Someone slid in. Someone slid in. Justin Opella today said, as a massonomics fan and a mathematician. That's a, you should put that on Java application. Is this mean median mode? Nope. Oh, okay. Because we do have follow up.

We do have that. I'm leaving that one to you tanner he said i had to dig a little deeper on data following the recent podcast i pulled all the data from the open powerlifting database to see how all the tanners compared to the tom thomas's tommies on average tanners are younger leaner and weaker oh damn it it was good until the the average which of none of that none of which uh like i'm not i'm older this so this is actually better so the average age do you want to know what the average age of a tanner in the database is versus the tom tommy thomas's the average age of a tanner can i guess what it is? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say a little younger than me. So,

but not that much younger than me. So I'm going to say 30, 20.99 years old. So basically 21 years old. Yeah. The average age for the Tommy variations, 35.88. That one kind of surprises me a little bit.

Tommy is old. Yeah. That's the older name. All right right but now the really important thing is who body weight what's the average body weight well i already told you tanner's are leaner do you want to guess oh eight tanner do you want to just hit you well the average age being 21 i i think that brings the average body weight. One 90, one 94. Okay. Versus two Oh six for the Tommy's. Okay. Average bench. We have it all Tanner average bench for the Tanner's.

Oh, in case you're wondering, they're 90 pounders, 21 years old. Uh, two 95. You're way too high. Really?

That's too high. I was kind of trying. Okay. Two 65. Wait, uh uh too high still damn uh go ahead 243 oh wow i should be bringing up the average there versus 315 for the tommies wow that's a big gap there yeah that's 315 it's a good average for the i'm happy to report i'm above that well maybe not at this moment in time but um i've been i i was bringing that all of my you're you're my most recent my most recent meets brought that average yeah yeah so i'm happy to report that part yeah well i'm like there's a like i'm carrying the average you are really you're really bringing that average up tanner

average squat for the tanners what do you got if it's anything like the bench, so I guess I'll say 390. 389.88, which is 390, so I'll go 390. Ding. There you go. Versus the Tommies at 447. That's a pretty good average squat, too. That's a pretty good average squat squat tommies are pretty strong at 315 pretty stout individuals aren't they all right now last one the average deadlift for a tanner more than this it's got to be more than the squat it's got to start with a four i'm gonna say I'm going to say 425 not far off 414

versus the Tommies at 486 that's pretty good too like the Tommy numbers are good so the Tommy average would put you around 448 11 Tommies have like a 1200 total

Tanner's definitely don have like a 1200 total okay yeah tanners definitely don't have to not have a good total we're not putting up a good total we're putting up a 1050 pound total yep that ain't cutting it so thank you justin opella for that follow that is good yeah that is good i'm glad someone took the time to go through those i mean i feel less good about being named tanner like my peers here but you, I feel less good about being named Tanner than my peers here. But you've got to feel pretty good that you're kind of like the king of the Tanners. I must be. Like, I have to be towards the top.

You're elite. 25% of Tanners. You're elite Tanner. Yes. I'm starting to... The Tanner memes are starting to make more and more sense to me, though, after that sampling size. After hearing about all these youngins. So last time I talked about mean, median mode.

Yes. Didn't get it all right. Got to hear about it from a lot of people this week. Yeah, I was wondering if that was going to happen. You know, some of that, though, everyone has to remember, we are live on a podcast when we do it. Oh, yeah. Everyone that writes in has the luxury of checking the old uh google

machine before they say we could sit and look everything up but it's really boring right right to sit and hear us but so when i was describing median just the quick follow-up when i was describing median like trying to explain that that wasn't median that was mode okay so wait what when i was describing you said median when i was describing mode when i was no no when I was describing... Because you said median. When I was describing mode, that's median. Okay. Whatever the middle number in the range is. So if there is seven, the mode would be four, correct? Yeah, if it was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

the mode would be four. It's the middle. Ours was one hour and eight minutes because that was the most middle number of our out of our 260 out of out of 260 episodes that was number 130 right right right you know yep yep so it's the it's the middle of the number line right right yes yes exactly yeah if you plot it out all on a number line yeah find the one right yeah you find the one right and the middle. Yeah, find the one right. And that is mode. That is median.

Oh, that is median. That's median. I was describing that as mode, but that's median. Oh, okay, okay. Mode is whichever number in the data set, exact number appears the most often. Okay, so it's the most common. Yeah. Most common integer.

Which is, and then someone also, I think it must have been big luke got back on that he said that was one hour and three minutes was actually our mode because he went and found it after that okay so not too far yeah right no okay well i'm glad we got that and probably forget again but yeah i guess let's remember median is the middle right mode is and mean is the average you know which we knew that had that part right. It was really, I explained what I thought mode was, and that was median. Okay. Should have been median. And I said, geez, who hired this guy at any job?

Yeah. Oh, shit. Wow. Okay. So what else we got then, Tanner? I think that takes care of most of our... I talked about the Cuban listener that I know. Name drop.

What are we at? We got a few minutes, actually. We crushed it, yeah. That usually never happens. We always never get through everything on the list. This is weird territory. What other stuff we've got going on is we were talking about maybe going to an event here

at some point in time. I don't know that everything's uh in stone and that but we were talking about going to um the showdown meet having a booth at the showdown meet yeah which is set september something yeah september something so that could be cool if that all pans out that would that's that's new exciting massonomics news that would be a lot of fun too yeah uh the uh our last which for us is a pretty close event too what's it only a campus city nine hours away ten hours that is a close event just a short drive yeah where it's like

and we actually talk about it that way we're like oh that's pretty close like if we're gonna do one that would be the one it's like we can leave it's day. It's only a one grueling day drive. Yeah, not bad at all. So that's something that's potentially on the radar for later in the year here. We did have our drop go off, and I'd say the drop went really well. The headband was part of it, of course. The headbands are selling well. The headbands are selling well, and we didn't know.

Like, you never know. We always talk about what we think might be the most popular items in the drop and we thought ah dark side tea i don't know maybe that'll go well with people maybe it won't and people really like that one people loved the dark side like we just did not know what to expect no and there's always ones that surprise you but that one probably surprised us even more than what we thought it would that was a pleasant surprise i would say so i think we're getting a reorder going on those things because yes they were moving yes they are which i've it's what you always don't really know until after as soon as after the fact then you're like oh yeah of course that one's popular yeah well of course that one's not

as popular as i yeah some of the other ones 12 12 hours in you have a pretty good idea what's how things are going to shake out. But yeah, that one was, from the start, a heavy hit here for us. And now we're working on our next three drops. And boy, are things looking good. Like, we talk about it all the time. Yeah. I mean, we talk about it on here a decent amount.

We talk about it with ourselves a lot. We're really excited. Probably maybe the most excited we've ever been for drops is like the next couple months here may june what we we have that planned out pretty well right now and it looks like and we even have really cool we even have most of the merchandise in hand already like yes we're on top of it yeah we're pretty pumped about these next few right here yeah we're gonna be rich filthy stinking rich or at least have a lot of t-shirts yeah that's true one one or the other is going to happen we're either gonna win win right we're either gonna be rich in money or rich in t-shirts that we can't sell yeah i think i think there's no downside in that scenario and we've got those uh deficit deadlift boots on the

way too so so we've had a few posts on Instagram that have got a lot of discussion on them. It's really funny seeing the stupid comments come out. The Mastonomics Army does not disappoint. There's multiple times conflict of interest. I'm part of of massonomics but it's the only account that i have to go back to multiple times a day just to read the comments because the comment section is fire yeah yeah yes it is there's a lot of funny stuff going on in there

there is a lot of funny original stuff that pops up in the comment section yeah it does not disappoint ever also this week um the 50 podcast aired with that we were well actually it was last week now that you're listening to it today i think yeah today for us recording yeah so make sure to check that out if you haven't gotten a lot of really good feedback yeah we were so far on it power lifting unlimited and i really think for anyone that was uh an old a fan of the old power cast and is a fan of massonomics it is pretty fun where you're like ah these guys all together yeah yeah yeah it is fun it's yeah it was a good episode i had to laugh my brother messaged me he goes have you ever seen that movie before and i'm like haha yeah i watched

the whole thing before recorded he's like i'm joking it plays in the gym every day i'm like i didn't know if you meant the whole thing or not like yeah because joking it plays in the gym every day i'm like well i didn't know if you meant the whole thing or not like because with it playing in the like i couldn't have done that episode with just what i take from it playing in the gym because no i couldn't either i had to actually sit down well there's a few parts that i didn't know where the hell they happened in the movie just right you always catch it at a weird time right right yeah you did we did have to actually sit down and watch it yeah but then he's like well yeah of course you've seen it yeah have you ever watched that movie the classic yeah is power unlimited yep well should we keep this train moving yeah i think so okay

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Are we cleared for takeoff, Tanner? We're cleared for takeoff. We're going to 10,000. You are cleared for takeoff. We're going to 10,000. You are clear for takeoff. Hello? Yeah, Big Kaler. You're on the Massanomics podcast with Tanner and Tommy. What's up, Kaler? Hey, guys. Hey, what's happening? How are y'all? Pretty good. We're excited to have you

on here today. Yeah, I'm excited to be on. Thanks for having me. You don't We're excited to have you on here today. Yeah, I'm excited to be on. Thanks for having me. You don't have to lie to us like that. No. We know you're not excited. It was hard to find any excuse to do something else at 9 p.m. On a Wednesday night.

Yeah, y'all got me. I was like, oh my God. That's our thing. We get everyone in a corner where they can't get away and they have to see us. The only out is that you say like yeah I'm usually in bed by then but then you also have to admit that you go to bed at like 8.30pm so yeah yeah

which sometimes sometimes but no I stayed up for you guys you just drank a Mountain Dew right before this just to be yeah no that's cool we're excited to talk to you

the most important thing I wanted to know just going to hit it right off the bat I wanted to find out your full take on the Jefferson deadlift where does the Jefferson deadlift fit into you in the school of deadlifts I'm trying to think okay

it is it has to be this is this is the best lift that is like not a lift you know what i mean yeah this has to be like the best running joke lift i I've ever witnessed on the internet before. There's something to be said about that aspect of it. It's very impressive how long this continues to go on, but yet it still is funny every time I see it. There's not a lot of things that are like that, I guess. We were talking before the show. I don't know if we've seen a video of you doing a really heavy Jefferson deadlift. Have you ever done a Jefferson deadlift?

Yeah. Have you ever pushed the limits on what your Jefferson is? I have not. I've done 500, and it wasn't too hard, but it feels awkward enough to where I'll probably never do it heavy for good reasons. I'd be afraid what would happen if I like did something that I had to like try really hard on or something, you know, is there amount, is there an amount of money that would get you to do it? Definitely.

Yeah. Because, because at this point, at this point, like, fuck it. Like I tore my pack, like, you know, I'll do some things. I'll do some things right now. You know what I mean? So I'll do some things i'll do some things right now you know what i mean so i'll do some things yeah what else i mean you know okay uh we're making a note of that right now uh we have thrown the idea of course there's an amount of money yeah we have we have thrown the idea around before of like putting up like an actual purse of money to get some people like a few people on online because right now we we do keep the official leaderboard.

Who's at the very top? Sean Green, the deadlift machine, has pulled 910 pounds Jefferson deadlift. Oh my gosh. Okay. And the Forsaken Warrior, he was at... I think 840 maybe he did, Steve Johnson. Yeah.

And he did get injured, actually. Yes, he did get hurt attempting to get a deadlift. Yeah. Don't let that scare you, though. Which, I did get hurt attempting to get a new one. Yeah. Don't let that scare you, though. Which, I mean, I think, to be fair, that has, you know, I think that could have happened. Maybe he was just having a bad day, and that could have happened on any other lift he decided to do that day, too. That's true. Anytime you're messing with that amount of weight.

Well, I feel like, yeah, anytime there's more than, like, 600 pounds on a bar, the chance for injury goes way up, right? I suppose it doesn't help when it's the lift that you kind of never do. Like, yeah, let's just try it. Yeah. Especially a lift that just anatomically just makes no sense. You know,

there is just things, things are probably just, you know, you can go wrong. Yes. Um, so we, we were talking before about some of the stuff we were going to ask you and

go over with you. And it seemed like for a while, maybe not quite so much right now, but it seemed like for a while on social media, you're fairly quiet. Is that right? Or was that a by design or just, did you have other stuff going on? That's, you know, you know, it kind of, you just kind of fall out of the habit of doing things sometimes. And I kind of just enjoyed not doing it for a little while.

Yeah. So it was nice to be quiet and kind of like feel like forgotten about at least a little bit you know what I mean like it was just nice to things were quiet for a while and it is I kind of liked it so yeah I know what you mean I never post on social media if massonomics relied on Tommy for posting on social media we we wouldn't be a thing yeah yeah like like it was it was nice to kind of feel like i was just doing things like i used to because like i don't know i don't know it's just like a lot of things like for a lot of reasons it was just like a tough year so it was just nice to kind of rediscover a new reason to love training again and like i used to a long time ago like

because instagram hasn't always been like a thing so you know it was it was easy for it was easy for the posting and whatnot to fall off I guess because I feel like before it was something that I was always putting a lot of effort into it was always something I had to like make myself do so it was really easy for my to get to where I was just like not doing it very often and then kind of just getting to where I wasn't doing it at all and I kind of realized I wasn't doing it at all and I was like you know I think I'm kind of just getting to where I wasn't doing it at all. And I kind of realized I wasn't doing it at all. And I was like, you know, I think I'm kind of wasting this platform. So, yeah, I started posting a little bit more on it again. Were you getting a lot of questions from people like, hey, man, you're still alive?

Yeah. Did you stop listing? And I was like, guys, I don't think you understand. I don't think I just like stopped listing, you know. But, yeah. But there is a feeling out there, though, like, uh, but yeah, yeah. But there is, yeah, there is a feeling out there though. Like if it's not, if someone's not posting on Instagram, like, are they still lifting? It's either, either things are going really bad or they quit lifting. It has to be one.

Yeah. And it's funny because like, you know, I had a certain plan as far as like what I wanted to do to start posting again. Like I wanted to take it in a different direction and kind of do something that I don't do before. Cause I't know it's kind of just boring and uh because training has actually been going really well but you know i was like maybe i'll just not really show that maybe i'll make it seem like it's not you know um and i was just going to kind of post some halfway shitty lifts for me you know lifts that would be halfway believable but i would still just really struggle with them you know maybe maybe i would just work up like you know, lifts that would be halfway believable, but I would still just really struggle with them. You know, maybe, maybe I would just work up like, you know, over like the process of like a month, work up to deadlifting 750 pounds and then just grind the absolute like

shit out of it. But that, but you know, behind the scenes, that's not really what's happening with my training, you know? So I was just going to kind of like go on with this for a little while. Um, but then, then, then I ended up tearing my pack um so then you know uh then i actually did have to stop like suffering real heavy so so yeah i think she did not happen but so you you tore your pec benching i assume then is what's happened no no i was i was pushing my car i'd like ran out of gas like I mean, I had missed my gas calculations by like, like, like when I say 200 feet, I mean like 200 feet, the gas station was like right there.

I had just got to work and the gas station's like right next to work. I was like, I definitely have enough gas to get to work. And then around the corner to the gas station afterward, you know, I was like, it's early. I need to get there now. You know? So, um, but no, I had, I pretty much had enough to get like mostly into my parking space it's sort of on an incline right so i have to push my car that's like a it's a jeep so it's kind of heavy so i'm pushing it into place right and um it kind of starts to roll backwards a little bit um and i was like okay so i have to push on it kind of hard now you know um and so when i go to push on it kind of hard to stop you know? And so when I go to push on it kind of hard to stop it, you know, cause I don't want it to like roll into the street.

That's like whenever my pet just, you know, just tears. And then, so I run and I got pulled the emergency brake on it and then kind of just stop it where it's at. And then, you know, then assess the situation from there. Wow. I see. I, I just, you just always hear torn peck. You just assume benching. Like I had no idea that that's, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I guess I was pushing on it kind of hard and it was first thing in the morning, but like, I don't know. It was just really, really shitty luck because I really hadn't been benching that heavy. I had been doing a lot of volume and stuff. If anything, my overhead presses and and incline i had been doing a lot of like a lot more of and whatnot and then i hadn't benched over four heavier than 450 in a good while um so my pecs didn't feel bad you know i didn't feel like

i had all this wear and tear on them or anything so the fact that it just exploded like that really just i don't know this is really bad luck so I guess the moral of the story is just don't have a job right yeah like if I had just stayed home and done nothing I would have been fine you know yeah that's shitty that does suck though when it just it's like an outside accident

yeah right so I got a ride to and from work for the next three days because I didn't want to deal with my fucking car for I didn't want to look at that mother. You know, so I was really mad about the whole thing. So, um, but I only live half a mile away from like where I have to work anyway. So I was like, yeah, I would just get like a ride from somebody like on, like on their way or something. So is it a, yeah, is it a partial tear?

Do you have to get, did you have to get surgery or, you know, um, it, it's going to need it to kind of be good again but it's kind of hard to like you know go through the process of spending all that money on it right now and whatnot um you know just because it's already not affecting my day-to-day life whatsoever it never really did except for maybe like a week it was kind of hard to like you know i didn't eat with my right hand for a couple days it's kind of hard to change my know i didn't eat with my right hand for a couple days it's kind of hard to change my clothes and stuff but i mean other than that that was just like a couple days and now it like functions completely fine i can pretty much almost deadlift normal and hold a bar on my back and just squat and stuff so and bench a little bit too so it doesn't seem like i don't

know so we'll see but then whenever i flex flex that my pec, it's kind of just in the middle of my chest. Yeah. There's a little bit of a hole right underneath my front belt. So when I do curls, I can see a lot more of my bicep. It's kind of interesting looking. It's just an elaborate

plan to get more ripped arms. I guess, yeah. Playing the long game yeah yeah so well did you uh have a plan of uh something in sight prior to that where you were planning on competing or were you just uh holding off on that for the time being i mean obviously you're holding off on that now but yeah um i was gonna do something i wanted to kind of do something around September. And I mean, I'm still kind of going to, you know, I mean, honestly, by then I'll bench three something at the very least. I don't really care. You know, that could that could be whatever. But I've really just been kind of wanting to the deadlift has, you know, deadlift training has been going really good for a while. And actually, you know, the day before I tore my pack, you know, I'd have like really, really good deadlift while and actually you know the day before i tore my pack you know i'd have like really really good deadlift session and whatnot and um yeah i had like so i had like a lot of momentum going in that direction and and i'm not very far away from being able to pick back up to kind of like where i was on that so i'd like to continue that as soon as i can if i'm able to

i mean even if it's just like squat and deadlift you know yep yeah yeah it is what it is it's just like squat and deadlift, you know? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is. It's overrated anyways. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I did overhead presses today with one 35 and I was able to do like, you know, sets of 10 and like, so I'm already able to do that. Right. Um, so it feels pretty good. Okay. So how about the deadlift? So you still hold the, you, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, you hold the 198 pound biggest deadlift of all time.

Is it 400 kilos? Is that one or? Uh-huh. Yes. Okay. What do you think? Will that, do you see anyone that's going to challenge that soon? Like, are you, are you concerned about that getting broken?

Do you not care? How do you feel about the record? Honestly, I'm still surprised it's still there. It's been there for like five years now almost. Four years and two months or something like that. In powerlifting, that's a really old record these days.

That's true. Especially with Deadlifts. Look at how Deadlifts have been going over the last couple of years this one this one seems to be cursed i have seen this attempted several times like i've seen people get close like a handful of people people that probably most people don't even know about actually the first guy i saw attempt it was in russia he was like some russian guy um i don't think i've ever met him or seen him before i want to say maybe i follow him on instagram now but uh yeah he had got really close to it um he you know he got all the way to the top with it he just fell forward you know he

lost his balance with it um and then you know jeremy avila he tried to break it at one point john hat got really close um yeah you know so i'm just surprised it's still there ashton ruska probably could if he you know wanted to yeah that's what it just feels like there is a there's a handful of guys that could take it at any time it just hasn't yeah yeah it also I also wouldn't have a very hard time doing a meet at 198 because competing at 220 I don't think I've officially ever weighed in more than 216 and that's been like kind of a really good body weight for me you know kind of heavy and whatnot so so 198 you know i can i could figure that out that is just especially for deadlifting you don't really lose a whole lot of strength if you go down um in body weight so that might be would

maybe be incentive for you to do that though if someone got up there well it'll be easier to lose a little bit of body weight now because like i think like i mean it's probably getting my head a little bit but my chest is already feels like i've lost like 10 pounds on it so yeah right right um so so so that right there i'm already close to 98 so that's just like a small little water cut now yeah um and if anything i should have better upper body mobility with holding a bar so i'm really curious to see like how this plays into uh training not like doing a whole lot of chest stuff right yeah yeah i'd like to see how to see what that actually does because because i think i think i think throwing bench into the into your routine i think for a

lot of people it can kind of like it just kind of fucks things up because if you if you look at if you look at bench compared to the other two lifts, this is kind of just like a theory of mine, though. But if you look at the other two lifts, they kind of make sense. They're things that you just do all the time in your day-to-day life. You squat down all the time. You pick stuff up all the time. You squat down all the time.

You don't really ever lay on your back and bench press anything. So I feel like whenever you throw that into a routine with those other two and you're doing it really heavy, things just kind of i don't know i don't know i felt like my elbows were always kind of aching chest always kind of aches because i'm always forcing myself to do kind of an unnatural movement and and do it like you know heavy and stuff where it has like really good um hypertrophy benefits i feel like it kind of at least for me, it seemed to be like a lift that my body just didn't particularly like a whole lot. I do think it's unquestionably the least natural

of those. Yeah, it really is. Like the Greek statues of guys, they did have muscular legs and stuff like that, but, and like maybe some muscular arms and stuff, but not really like they didn't have like defined chests and stuff like that. I don't think like until bent, like the muscular chest wasn't a thing until like much later on, you know,

like that just came about like really recently, relatively speaking to everything else. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's always kind of been like the upper body thing. It's been an overhead press traditionally. Yeah. So, so what about the two 20 record? Are you second right now? Did,

did you, that get chill? I think so. But man, it was at one of those fucking like European meets. I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say it straight up. It's like one of those fucking Europeanan meats who was like who really knows right you know yeah it looked it looked good that last one looked better than another one i had seen um but you know i think it was a dead with only me is that right or well and it was it is it's weir's becky or whatever right is that who has it yeah yeah yeah oh okay okay yeah is he the polish guy right isn't that yeah if mine was like i think mine was 953 maybe he did like 955

with that ship or something yeah uh maybe like a delice only it might have been yes and you know i the whole thing about delice records nowadays is i i'm starting to just kind of hate it you know because there's just so many different things you can do. So I'm, I'm really happy to see that this year in Russia, they didn't use like the big plates to Delaf with. Yeah. Cause they'd get the crazy bar, the really wide plates. And like these bars are locking out with the weights, like inches off the ground. It helps. It helps so much.

I was like, basically I was basically, if I could have controlled controlled it i was basically strong enough to deal with 970 that day and on like a normal like setup like it back back home you know no i was not capable of doing picking up 970 off of the floor so it was quite a difference so the fact that there's records i was really happy to see jamal break um nothing to consider but i was really happy to see Jamal break. Nothing to consider, but I was really happy to see that record go down particularly because it was a record done on those plates. Right. And whereas Jamal did it to what, you know, the normal standard or what most people would consider the standard. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

And then also doing things like using different bars can really help a lot, even if you're using the same place. So the difference between like a Texas deadlift bar in Ohio and a brand new Ohio deadlift bar, or kind of a newer one, like whenever you have like 900 pounds on it, you know, you can, you can really kind of tell a little bit of a difference. At least I really feel like I can, at least to the point to where I won't train on a Texas deadlift bar.

Because, you know, there's always the chance that maybe the meat I do is going to use in Ohio. And if I've trained on a Texas the whole time, I've kind of screwed myself a little bit extra whip on the Texas. Yeah, definitely. I've always found the Texas definitely to be easier. So you'd rather train with the Ohio. And then if you do get to take advantage of the Texas, you just do that at the meet. Definitely. Right okay so so so you know you can i mean people can think what they want about it but i i think there's a difference between a record set on each of those bars as well and i hate nitpicking and things like that that's almost just why i wish

the idea of a delafire just kind of didn't really exist at all because because of things like that it can be manipulated to it can be manipulated in like you know you can i don't know you can just do so many things to kind of make it work to your advantage sneaky things that maybe not everybody realizes you know yeah so how much do you like what's the heaviest deadlift you've done on like a stiff straight bar before and do you ever even go for heavy singles with with with just, no, it's, it's been such a long time because really anytime I get around to training heavy, it's,

it's, you know, getting ready for me. So there's not a lot of reps. Right. I've definitely done like well over eight, both stances. Um,

there's definitely more of a difference with sumo on the deadlift bar versus conventional. Um, I would say it's my best conventional was a nine Oh nine on the deadlift bar versus conventional um i would say it's my best conventional was a 909 on the deadlift bar uh under the same circumstances i would say like or on like a stiff bar i would say it was probably 860 give or take maybe maybe even 870 whereas you can maybe see close to the same difference if not a little bit more with like sumo. If my best sumo was like 950 on the Delos bar, maybe it would be,

I don't know. I've always really believed I could do over 900 sumo on a stiff bar. I mean, I've never tried. I don't know if there's ever really been a good reason to. Yeah, there's not a reason. Yeah.

It just doesn't make sense. You know, it'd be a thing and that's just not a good enough reason to do it for me, I guess. So typically in your training, though, you are using the Ohio deadlift bar? Is that what you said? Yes. Okay. How about the Okie?

Have you ever had an Okie? I've used one before at a friend's gym, but never got too familiar with it. Okay. Okay. So we talked about jamal i can't remember what if he was like about 970 he pulled or whatever but what i'm wondering yeah what what you think about uh a thousand pounds do you think will we see someone do that i know benedict uh magnuson did like 1015 and015, and it wasn't with straps. I don't know if it was really in a powerlifting meet. I think it was a deadlift only meet.

It was also a long time ago. I'm wondering what you think more now about the powerlifters that we're looking at, Uri, Jamal, you, whoever else you want to throw in there. Do you think someone's going to do that relatively soon? Do you think we'll see a thousand pounds? You know, I'm, I'm kind of surprised Jamal hasn't done it yet. Um, like I thought I was going to see that maybe in February or so. Um, cause he's definitely the closest, uh, it, it, you know,

I want to say we're not like any further away away than a year from seeing somebody do it. It seems to be like a tight race between a couple people. Even Chris Weast, he's not super far. Honestly, I'm rooting for him, if anybody. Conventional, let's go let's go yeah yeah yeah yeah his last meet i think he i don't know if it didn't go exactly how he wanted it to but like was he at was he gonna attempt something like close to 970 or did he maybe even yeah i think he did attempt it or something yeah yeah. I don't believe I ever saw the video of the 970 attempt.

I want to say maybe he posted the 876 last warmup or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say he's got a shot at it. Jamal, Jamal,

it seems like the power is there. And then Jamal, it's just like, yeah, it's kind of a grip problem, isn't it? Like, is that his biggest limiting factor?

I think it kind of seems to be at this point. It's that, that kind of seems to be the limiting grip. Well, it's kind of a grip problem, isn't it? Is that his biggest limiting factor, I think? It kind of seems to be at this point, that kind of seems to be the limiting factor. I think once you start delving around 100 pounds, usually the people like, if it fails, it's usually more of a grip thing than an overall strength thing. Like, you know, as far as getting it off the ground and being able to muscle it to the top,

you always kind of see the grip start to fail at this point. What would your advice be on that then? Because it seems like you, like the grip really hasn't struggled. Not even close. No. So I don't know. Yeah. I don't want to brag, but you know, I'm very, I'm very gifted with the structure of my hands. Your hand structure plays a much bigger role than your actual grip strength. As far as, you know, holding a bar, if you can wrap your,

if your hands are a little bit thinner and a little bit longer, you can wrap your fingers around the bar just that much further, get that much more, you know, around your thumb. And it just makes things a million times easier. So how did you, how did you, who introduced you to a hook grip? Um, and how long ago was it? This was, this was, man, this was a long time ago. Um, and how long ago was it? This was, this was, man, this was a long time ago. Um, I want to say like, this was like 2015, 2016 when I first started hood gripping. Um, and I saw, I had seen Vince Urbank. I don't know if you guys remember him. He was a strong man.

I saw Vince Urbank deadlift 906 one time. And at the time it was like the all time American record. And I was like, I was like, man, his, both of his his hands are just or are they both over on the bar i had to like you know zoom in i had to watch a couple times i was like everybody else is now you know like what what how did you have double overhand grip and then i saw george lehman do it and then i want to say george lehman was the first person i actually heard talk about what that was and what he was doing i was like hook grip hook grip i heard i saw that word and then he was doing. I was like, hook grip, hook grip. I heard, I saw that word. And then from there, I like searched on the internet and then I found some like weightlifting

videos. Um, you know, cause that's like where it originated from. So there was lots of, um, weightlifters who had made videos about it and stuff. Um, so then I kind of just, you know, started doing it. I was like, Hey, well, I've seen two people now hold on to 900 plus pounds with both of their hands over on the bar. And that's something that like I have to do because I have felt the difference between deadlifting with a mixed grip versus deadlifting with straps and the straps just feel a lot better because I have both my hands pronated and I, and, and it looks like they're able to do that without any limitations to their grip in the same way they would be able to with a mixed grip. So, so yeah, I was like,

I have to see what that's all about. And so you were basically just self-taught in internet videos then? Yeah, yes. Yeah, and then kind of just started putting my hands on the bar and, you know, figured out which way feels better and, you know, make little corrections from there. Do your thumbs have feeling to this day or is it gone? Well, you know, even if I, like, didn't hook grip for, like grip for like a long time like it still wouldn't hurt if i just loaded up something real heavy and did it yeah um so things like my thumbprint scanner

on my phone is constantly inconsistent uh and especially like if i have just left the gym and the skin on my thumbs is like a little beat up um it's hard to type like you know i have to press extra hard so sometimes i hit like more than two keys when i type so it's pretty annoying but that's that's about it yeah so there's things like that hook grip life yeah what what is your job what do you do for what do you do for work so one of the things i do so i have a little part-time job that i do it's usually from like 7 to 12 monday through friday so like kind of early morning job um it's at a chiropractor's clinic here in town so we have like these really fancy decompression tables and it fixes people's backs

that have bulging and herniated discs it's a surgery alternative it's like a really freaking awesome cool place you know i do these treatments myself and stuff and um so it's like a cool place to work so like i work there um just help out whatnot so i'm not i'm not a doctor so it's just kind of funny that like i work there um there's there is doctors like they're all like who are all really they're all like really smart people so you know i get to like um have like conversations with them all the time and whatnot and get to like learn a bunch of cool stuff so So compared to like the average citizen, I know quite a bit about spines and whatnot. So that's been, that's been cool. And then what else do I do? I coach, I coach people.

So I have like a couple of people that train in person and a few people I coach online. And then right now that's about it. So. And are we right that you used to work in a grocery store like when you were first yeah yeah and you are you familiar with kurt warner at all he was the quarterback yeah you can remember his story yeah you're right you're kind of the kurt warner of powerlifting because kurt went from uh they always say he went from begging groceries to playing in the super bowl and once yeah you kind of went from begging from bagging groceries to the deadlift world record holder. So I like to think of it as the Kurt Warner story of powerlifting.

Well, I had worked my way up to management at the grocery store. I worked there for seven years. That was my first job. That's not as good of a story. We'll just say you were still bagging groceries in the figurative sense. So basically what I'm saying is I was in charge of like at least five other people at any given time in the store

you know so you know I had some responsibility alright even begging groceries is responsibility and I just that doesn't sound as good hey man you really don't want to fuck that up man people get mad ah that's true customer service is

important it's an important life skill to have you know yeah that's true i worked in a grocery store it was my first job ever hell yeah people are assholes it's like man i'm so patient now with stuff you know because because of just all my horrible experiences working there for seven years oh god yeah yeah yeah i never worked at a grocery store i did work at a hardware store for many years though and kind of kind of relatable experience, customer service stuff. Some people can be so mean, too. Yeah, definitely.

I did like the job, though, the logistics of it. Did you get any free groceries? No, hell no. I guess that's really not a thing at any grocery store. I don't think it is. Just ones you steal would be the only ones you would get. Just the ones you Yeah, I guess that's really not a thing in any game. I don't think it is. I don't think anyone does that. Like just ones you steal would be the only ones you would get.

Just the ones you don't get caught with. Right, right, right. All right. Kaler, we've got a little game we like to play with everyone. We call it Overrated Underrated and we've got a special Kaler set of topics just for you. These are real tough ones.

This is very serious and everything rides on this game. Hopefully you do well here. Okay. Overrated or underrated? Linkin Park. I'm going to have to say right now I'm i'm gonna say overrated if you asked me a couple years ago i would maybe give you a different answer so after chester beddington died you

know they definitely blew up a little bit more yeah and maybe i'm tired maybe i'm tired of hearing songs so maybe right now i'm gonna say overrated okay okay i i think i would almost go the opposite i think a few years ago i would have said still overrated i almost feel like they're almost old enough now where it's like some people don't know who they are like oh okay what what's your do you have a favorite lincoln park album or anything like that that's uh you know i've never really liked anything past hybrid theory there's a couple songs in there that i like but then after that i just you know there's not a lot of things i like by them that's kind of a common theme with a lot of people, I think. Definitely.

Hybrid Theory was good. There was like a year ago where I rediscovered the, what was the one they did with Jay-Z? Oh, yes. I mean, some of those go pretty hard. Some of those songs do go pretty hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's some bangers on there.

And what was Meteora? Was that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget where that is in the timeline of i think that was a good album though if i remember right i don't know i you know i've never seen them in a concert before okay yeah like so they're they're pretty cool live yeah yeah all right i'm sure it'd be a really fun concert i know that's yeah lincoln park okay all right next one overrated or under and you're i'll preface this you're from uh

are you born and raised in lubbock have you been in yep okay okay this would be a good one then overrated or underrated bobby knight underrated bob nice man yeah i love man i love my i have i got his autograph on like a dallas cowboy i didn't have anything else i was like i was like i was like nine i think i was like eight or nine years old i was wearing like a d Cowboy hat. I didn't have anything else. I was like, I was like, I was like nine. I think I was like eight or nine years old. I was wearing like a Dallas Cowboy, my Joey Galloway, Dallas Cowboy Jersey and the Dallas Cowboy hat. And we were at a Morton Indians high school basketball game.

And I was like, yeah, that's Bob Knight up there. You know, he was at the game scouting, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah. He, he, he was actually nice. I was kind of scared, you know, because of other,

because of things I had seen on TV. i'm a child you know choking yeah so you got do you still have the hat to this day no oh damn it no that's something you could probably put on ebay for at least like 30 bucks you know yeah gosh dang Gosh, dang it. Texas tech has to be a pretty big deal in Lubbock though. Right. I mean, that is, it is the biggest thing.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. And as Texas tech, are they good at football? Not like recently. Okay.

Okay. No, they, they, we have been horrible ever since my bleach left. Right. Right. Cause it was like a high power offense, high power offense with him, like all the receivers

and like QBs that would just like lead the NCAA. You know, Johnny Manziel. Oh, that was A&M. Oh, there we go. Yeah. Yeah. Graham Harrell, B.J. Simmons. Right, like they would like lead the NCAA in passing yards and stuff,

but then they weren't really like good NFL caliber quarterbacks almost, was it? No, because we would usually allow more passing yards on stuff but then they weren't really like good NFL caliber quarterbacks almost. No because we would usually allow more passing yards on defense than we would get on offense but our defense was equally as unimpressive as our offense was impressive. Yeah it was one of those things.

Still kind of is I guess. Alright good stuff. Overrated or underrated? Okay this one so you did say you're not a doctor, but you are to us and to everyone, you really are Dr. Deadlift. You are the doctor of deadlifts.

And that's just a fact. So, overrated or underrated? We want to look at another doctor here, Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange is a little overrated. Okay, well. Hold on. Hold on. Let me think about this for a second. Let me try to remember

what the general opinion is of him. Is there a general opinion? Yeah. I don't know that I've ever seen it, but he even got his own movie, right? He had one that was his own movie and it was good it was good I'm going to say he's underrated because of what he's actually capable

of doing he's really powerful he is really powerful doing things like controlling time that's a big thing that's a very underrated power he did come in clutch too and uh uh in game two right like he was a part of it all yeah okay and and and i guess i mean

you know since we're talking like superheroes and movies is there really any end to the possibilities of magic and that's basically what his powers are right you know right kind of a wizard kind of a wizard so you know anything is possible right yeah right yeah yeah so like you know he would sit in quite well with harry potter too and whatnot so he's like he's like with those guys all right right yeah it is funny like when you like you try to gauge everyone's powers and like what's actually more important and stuff like that and like after a while it's like yeah i don't really understand even how you compare like what really really strong you're like how you compare. He's really strong.

You're like, actually, I think the guy who's really fast has killed all you, but I'm out. Right, right, right. He can just run around and stab you all real quick and you don't even notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right.

But then the guy that can- If he's running almost the speed of light and then he punches you, that's it, you know? You don't exist ever again. That's worse than what Thanos could ever do with his fucking snap you know yeah right okay that's good that's good conversation on Doctor Strange he kind of seems boring though I haven't seen the Doctor Strange movie all I know is from what I've seen and I'm not an avid Marvel fan I've

just kind of seen some of the big movies and he always seemed a little boring from the little from the bit I saw he has a a good character arc. He goes from being a douchebag to kind of a nice guy. You kind of like him. Yeah, you feel good. It feels good to watch. Good for him. This is the next one to the last one and it's the most important.

We always save the most important for last and almost everything right. Nothing up to this point even matters at all on this one. Overrated or underrated? Handlebar mustaches. I think they're a little overrated. Are you rocking a handlebar right now? Nope.

Has it been a while? It has been a while. I just noticed so many other people having the mustaches and stuff that i just didn't want to do it anymore yeah yeah so that is i get i get i get that way with stuff you know i don't mean to be that way but i can't help it so you kind of set the trend and then uh you did it before it was cool and then you get out of it it's like yeah like i don't even want to do hook group anymore. I'm just kidding. Everyone.

Nelly, he switched to... Everyone was thinking about fades and then he switched to braids. Now everyone's got braids and he's thinking about fades again. Yeah. Same thing.

Big decisions. Overall, I think you did real well on overrated underrated today you definitely passed we're we're proud of you i wasn't aware this was a pass fail thing but i'm glad i passed you didn't want to put too much pressure on right away but we like to just sucker people into it like we lead them into it and then we we hit them with uh the serious part. Yeah. It's work. That's cool. We're excited to have you on.

We've been wanting to do it for a while so it's cool to catch up with you. We hope the peck straightens out here not too long and we look forward to seeing you do some big deadlifts and taking that 220 record back the right way at some point in time here. Yeah, not to say it was really back the right way at some point in time here. Yeah.

And not to say it was really done the wrong way. I don't want to sound that way about it. You know, it was, it was a good list. He's incredibly strong. No, he's taken away anything,

but really it belongs in America though. Right. But let's just, let's just all meet. I'm just saying, let's just all meet up on the same day together and go do it. That's all I'm saying. Right.

Right. You know, that's, you know, I'm willing to do that. No, and you don't have to say it. We'll say it for you.

We'll, we'll put words in your mouth. Yeah. Arranging things, arranging things right now. It's kind of unrealistic. So I'm just, you know,

yeah. Yeah. Especially in an internationally. It's just kind of right. Right. No, no, that's cool.

We appreciate having you on. That's good stuff. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks, Taylor. Yeah. Thank you guys. All. That's good stuff. Thanks, Kaler. Thanks, Kaler. All right, see you later. All right, bye. What do you give him?

Cool beans. Cool beans. Double cool beans. Double cool beans for Mr. Not Mr. Doctor. Can you say Mr. Doctor?

That's doctor to you, Tanner. It's Dr. Mr. Deadlift. Mr. Doctor. Yeah, the doctor is in. i was thinking about when we talked about nelly uh also we never talked about dmx oh we did not talk about dmx yeah you know just coincidentally we're actually not the episode's still going on so we haven't technically missed it yet that's true was that just like on friday or was it saturday it was not long ago but remember just not too many episodes ago we did a dmx reference and we like both did barking into the oh is that what we were i remember we

were barking i couldn't remember we were like yeah and we're like yeah i mean you forget about uh how many how many gym classics he has like his songs have to get played in so many gyms across the country. I liked DM. Oh yeah. Like some rappers I didn't really care for growing up and some I did really like. And I had, I had several D I had, I think probably most of his albums at the,

at the time when I was, my, my earliest connection to DMX. I, Oh, it was, I'm pretty sure it was up in here. So I had a,

I want, when did that song probably come out? Like 98 or 99 ish around there. That's I, so I would have maybe been 10, which meant like getting CDs meant my parents had to buy them for me. And which meant that didn't happen very often. Right.

Right. And, uh, I went to my uncle. He lived, my uncle lived in the cities. He took my brother and i to the mall of america one day because that was like the craziest place in the world and it just so

happened that the day we went there was a skate demo going on with tony hawk there really yeah and so we were so jacked because we love skateboarding and they were throwing out like you know stuff into the crowd and they threw out like a little cd and i got the cd and there was some songs by the only things i remember there was two songs by some 41 which i'd never heard about they actually weren't like anything then and there was up in here by dmx on it yeah and as like a nine or ten year old it was like this is the greatest thing ever because it was hard to listen to music back then you know right if it wasn't on the radio you didn't hear it you were finding on the internet no that's right so yeah that like eight discs or that's that cd with like eight songs on it

two of them being some 41 one of them being uh uh dmx got played a lot yeah what would be some of some 41s uh so actually the one on this was uh makes no difference which was like their but like their big song like probably their biggest one was fat lip oh yeah right and that was a good song yeah right i did see them a few years ago that in concert at uh in minneapolis state at a zombie pub crawl and some 41 played it was a really good time it was like oh i'm like what 14 again like losing my mind it was it was uh they brought the energy yeah that's good uh dmx does still come on on the at come on. All the various iPods have DMX. I think they all have DMX on them. Our eight old iPods all somehow have DMX on them.

Not every one of them has ACDC. I think probably all of them maybe except one. Some of them have extensive ACDC on them. Like a lot of live albums. I think all of them probably. This is Thunderstruck, but nothing hits until like three minutes in the extended intro i think they all probably have metallica yeah but i think they all have dmx on them which is a funny commonality between like all the individuals

taste there they all thought yeah dmx that's necessary yeah i would also say that i i think everyone knows about this, but if you don't, it is worth checking out if you're any type of fan of DMX. DMX, the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer when he sings that. It's kind of a classic.

Right. It's like, oh yeah, DMX, he just has a certain talent in a way of... Yeah, yeah. His voice is just different than everyone else's. X did give it to us, didn't he?

He did give it to him. He did give it to him he did give it to him yep do we have anything else uh special we need to cover today i think that's probably all of it should we talk about our sponsors again oh i don't know why we wouldn't once again i wanted to welcome our newest sponsor fusion sports performance uh their supplements i'm just i'm gonna even go off script on this they i think they kind of got four major supplements that they're that they handle which i kind of like because they kind of have the stuff that i would actually you gotta you gotta be skeptical of the supplement companies that have like 90 supplements right well it's like okay so they sell pre-workouts

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