Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 270: Andy Huang That Huge Asian Guy

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Andy Huang joins us for this one.  We already know he's huge, but we try to find out if he is the strongest Asian as well.   We also discuss some heavy thoughts and try to figure out what's in the can! The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! website, everything. Masanomics. Welcome back, everyone, to episode 270 of the Masanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast South Dakota. My name is Tanner.

And my name is Tommy. Tommy, we got a banger this week. Are we live on Instagram right now, Tanner? Is this Instagram live? This is recorded live, much like the podcast episode. Yeah, it's just as live as the podcast episode. Yeah. So here we are, episode 270. We've got a lot of cool stuff.

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We're three minutes in, and it's just a wreck. I don't know if I can do it now. So this is episode 270. I think a great place to start would be a weathered update. Okay, I was going to say the same thing, Tanner. I like what you're saying there. Was it last week we said there was a possibility of snow in the forecast? That was.

I think that was last week's episode. Maybe as the one before but very recently either way this past weekend it was like 50 degrees yes like and 50 actually might have been pushing it a little like that was the high yeah i think you know it was a it was a very cold rainy day borderline froze it was like got down got down to about 35 degrees you know people are covering their plants bringing their plants inside uh because it was about freezing. I walked down the street. I thought there was all these ghosts, but it was just plants covered in sheets. Yes.

But now, tomorrow, you know what the temperature is going to be tomorrow? Is it 99? Yeah, and the next day, 103. 103 degrees on Saturday. Just that modest 60 degrees, 70 degree temperature swing, right? Insane. It is. Today was hot, actually.

It is. I think it was like 90 degrees today, wasn't it? There's been so many days of like, oh, I have a one-year-old boy. It'd be great to finally let him go play outside and forever. It was too cold. He can't go play outside. It's too cold outside. And in one week, it went from it's too cold outside to-

Too hot. He can't go outside. It's too cold outside it's and in one week it went for it's too cold outside too too hot he can't go outside it's too hot for him now also it's been like 30 mile per hour winds every day well the last couple have been yeah we finally have got yeah but besides that yeah it's always blowing wind yes yes um but no hundred hundred the triple trip didge we're gonna get into not wasting any time getting the summer thing going. No. They said crispy boy summer is here. Crispy boy summer. Mother Nature knew we had the tank tops out. Mother Nature said, crispy boy. Listen, my child.

My son, the crispy boy. I'm bringing summer to you. Yes. So here we are. Do you? Okay. I got to talk sauces with you for a minute here, Tanner. We're getting saucy.

We're about to get saucy. This starts with a gift we received from fellow Masonomics cohort, Jonathan Oldham. I know the guy. When he sent us that care package. I think it was around Christmas time, wasn't it? Yep. And we each got a barbecue sauce and some other items in there. I'm pretty sure we used the barbecue sauce.

And the barbecue sauce that I had, I believe, I'm going off of memory here because I ate it pretty fast. I think it was Dreamland barbecue sauce. I don't remember. And we each had a different one. So the one, like right away, I'm like, ooh, why is this so different than barbecue sauces here? And then I think it's a vinegar one.

You look at the label, yeah, it's a vinegar-based barbecue sauce, which around here isn't very common. And I'm thinking, I really enjoy this. I'm going to go buy some at the late yeah it's a vinegar based barbecue sauce which around here isn't very common and i'm thinking i really enjoy this i'm gonna go buy some at the grocery store so i don't go to wall i didn't go to walmart but i went to the other big one of the other big grocers in town support your local grocer exactly and could not find a single vinegar based barbecue sauce could not find one they did i felt like I looked pretty hard. They weren't there.

And I was telling this to my brother. He's like, yeah, I get what you're saying. You don't really find that flavor around here too often. And so then the other day, he came over and he brought a bottle with him. And it was E&C barbecue sauce. And what does E&C stand for? I like their naming convention here. Eastern North Carolina. Oh, nice.

Was the flavor. So it was Lily's E&'s enc barbecue sauce it was also a vinegar based one and i had it tonight and it was quite delicious so i didn't know if you had a any input on your vinegar versus what the what's the normal like tomato based usually i don't really use i don't really use barbecue sauce all that often so i almost don't have and also i do so little of the cooking anymore yeah it is like i wouldn't even most of the time whatever shows up in front of you is very appreciative of everything that comes to me and uh i know i've mentioned it before it's like i don't know i go to work i go to the gym i play with the kids and i come back and

there's there's more food in the fridge and then there's food on the table. And that's kind of how the, so because of that, although sauces are different, you know, a lot of times sauces go on at the table. What about for you though, for barbecue sauce? Are you picturing it more as something that you're putting on at the table or something you're cooking? I usually put it on at the table. Right, right. Just for the sake of making cleanup easier. Right.

I just don't use barbecue sauce all that often. I kind of like good old-fashioned ketchup on things or even nothing. Yeah. I guess when I think barbecue sauce for me, it's mostly like whenever I'm grilling pork. Yeah. That's kind of like my barbecue sauce go-to. Yeah. I don't think I ever put barbecue sauce on beef of any kind because i don't do like

brisket i don't like brisket i don't make it um we have ribs a lot but whatever is done to them my wife does that like in the preparatory stage yeah like i'm not like putting barbecue sauce at the end but uh like my son uses barbecue sauce a lot of stuff actually his go-to sauce is yum yum sauce i don't know oh is it we've talked about that before i don't but we have talked have you ever bought yum yum i've never bought it but like you have it at what sushi places isn't that actually i use the when we have when we make a dish that's rice and sauce we'll make like um like an encased sausage you know not like a brat but almost like you buy like a large sausage ring and it will like a kielbasa yeah something like that and we'll have that sliced and in rice with

like uh peppers so kind of like a jambalaya yeah that sort of thing that yum yum sauce on that sort of thing is i could see that i could see that yeah delicioso yeah i could see that uh but no i just i don't have a good i don't i have nothing to add to it it's okay well taking like five minutes to say i'll have to talk to jonathan have him send me some more of that barbecue sauce that i got going with this whole thing okay no i still in as far as hot sauces i'm a chalua yeah that's okay the thing is the chalua is a price premium like it's not cheap compared to tapatio right like you can get the same i think a bigger bottle the tapatio for like one dollar it's one

dollar yeah and the chalua is like four or something a bottle and i don't it's not four times better i can tell you that it might be a little better i really like it better do you really like it better oh i don't know i've kind of on a, but it might just be because I'm just, I've been like, well, and I've just been like, I can't say that I've been hit it with a lot of Chilua marketing, but I've just like,

I don't know. I, you know, I just like the Chilua gang. Right. Like I just been like, they've, they've suckered me,

you know, they've like, yeah, they got me, you know, I've been lately the last like year I've been hard on the tapatio but then every once in a while just to break up the monotony i'll go to chalua and then i go right back to tapatio but i have told you before my life hack on chalua sauce you go to your local qdoba they just have

them there's a buy one burrito get a free bottle and i tend to i mean i don't tend to it's what i do is if i go to kidoba i grab my burrito to go you gotta grab some napkins maybe a fork some sauce to go a bottle like i'm like i don't know where does that put the to go back packets in a glass bottle it's like well you get the sauce for free when you're there like i just get one and i use it over like the next 20 burritos that i bring so technically you're using the same amount. Yeah, I am. It's not dishonest, I don't think.

I mean, in theory, it's not. It's maybe not the system as they had pictured it. They're just paying for it up front rather than over time, I guess. They're certainly getting my burrito business, though. I don't think they're losing out. Although it's probably not their preferred method. Yeah, probably not. Life hack, hashtag. Tanner, there is a certain strongman competitor we need to mention,

and that is Travis Ortmeier. Yeah, yeah. One, that he's competing in World's Strongest Man. Yep. And in his, at least in the announcement pick we saw, he had the 8-Bit Strongman tee on that we have,

that I'm wearing actually on camera right now. Yeah. And he looks way more jacked in it than I do. Way more jacked than any of us do. He looks more jacked than most people do.

He does. So that was exciting to see. That's cool. That'd be cool if like on the actual show at some point he would have it on but i feel like they're pretty much on top of the t-shirt yeah they're gonna be wearing who's wearing what there so that probably won't happen but he did have and i have to give him major props for this one of the funniest videos i saw uh related to like strongman strength training yeah and it was him holding up i think was it a tiktok

originally or maybe a real or maybe he just made it for instagram i don't know uh it might have just been instagram but it was tiktokish you know yeah and he's holding up signs and i think it said does the sign say like all people say strong men are so stupid and like you know he's gonna so he has a bunch of pieces of paper and you know each piece of paper he's he's going to flip through them and each one's going to say a message. And so, yeah, the first one says a lot of people think strong men are so stupid and he pulls down the back piece of paper and he's like making a face and it's like, well, I couldn't see you pulled around the wrong piece of paper. And then he pulls down the back piece of paper again and it's like, ah, I get what's going

on here. He's really playing into the stereotype. It was very funny. You should go. You should go look for that. It was laugh out loud worthy. Yeah, I was really impressed. It was a very funny post,

so you should go seek that one out on his Instagram if you haven't seen it because it's good. Also check out the episode where he was a guest on the Massanauts podcast. And yes, you should do that too. 20 some odd episodes. Oh, I think it's maybe even longer than that. At some point in time, he was a guest. Sometime for sure. It was a good episode too. In the past year, yeah. Yeah, that at some point in time he was a guest sometime

for sure in the past year yeah yeah that was a good one he was a guest and it was fun yes um so we've got what we've got a sack segment we've got a heavy thought segment um any preference on what we do next um i think preference wise we should maybe maybe we should read one more ad and then dive into this stuff because we got a can to get to too oh we have a can maybe we should read one more ad and then dive into this stuff. Because we got a can to get to, too, Tanner. Oh, we have a can. Maybe we should do a can first. Maybe we should hop into this can here. Well, we don't want to be parched for our ad reads.

We don't. And Tanner, I do not believe you've had this flavor. So hop on into Flavortown. Protective gear. Yeah, put on your PPE. Personal protective equipment. Yeah, for the crispy boys. just to be osha compliant here that's right we don't want any complaints and snap on into that guy there oh we better wait for you to get suited back up here until i get

to that point yeah yeah you're probably okay okay. We're going in for the first one. Oh. Carried away there. I got to be honest with you. I forgot what the flavor was, but just based off of the smell, I feel like I might. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I already would have got it wrong, Tanner. And I could have looked. It feels like it smells stronger than it tastes. It certainly does. It's refreshing, though. It's good. Oh, God. When was the last time I ever got one right?

Didn't we have lime not that long ago and you got it? You got to be like me, Tanner. Just right off the cuff, just guess it immediately and say you're wrong. Let me try one more here. Oh. Oh. I feel like whenever I don't know, I just say strawberry um i think someone made a meme about that the other day they're like strawberry strawberry is a fruit so it's never a bad

guess i'm gonna say strawberry kiwi well tanner you are wrong okay it is raspberry and the second word i feel like i've heard people say it i say a kai i don't know why that's one in my head and i've also heard people say what that's when i try not to verbalize because i don't know what yeah yeah i say raspberry a kai yeah it does taste like raspberry it does yeah at first i thought it was blueberry when i saw what does it taste like i don't know if anyone's ever actually had it that's one of those ones that they put in at that after the primary flavor yep just to spice it up yeah so i'd maybe give that i'd probably give that three and a half this is an aha it is an aha aha yes tanner you know what else is aha do tell today's show is brought to you by the strength co and you could also say their new

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Ho Apparel. But it's spelled H-E-A-U-X. I had to do a double-click. It is fancy. Hey, guys, thanks for being willing to rep our new little company. Pole fitness isn't exactly powerlifting, but it is a strength sport in its own right. I don't doubt that.

I'm hoping we can blend the two while providing cool clothing for all sizes of women. Maybe one day we can sponsor your podcast. Thanks for always making me laugh, Susan. Big Susan, longtime friend of the Mass Olympics podcast. So it wasn't just the card yeah which is funny so this this case we had a we had a i get a lot of packages at my house between massonomics and everything else like the ups man is not uh no stranger yeah it's funny though that day um

i think this is actually was this no this was ups we had like three or four packages uh-huh he had them all and he set this one like propped this one like nicely on top like and i have to imagine it was not on accident for the missus i don't want to and so my wife did get this and she's like what is that uh because it's got the big uh silhouettes of ladies on poles. But, oh, we got some goods here. Oh, things falling out. Oh, we got stickers with the gold foil. One with, one without, and then

here, I believe it's yours. Okay, damn. Let's get into this. Alright, so we got a t-shirt here. Size large, as I like to wear. How did she know? Oh, baby. Printed on a good tee too.

I always got to, you know, Tanner, when you're in the business, you always got to look and see what people are printing on. So we got the whole apparel tees. The black tee with the gold. These look good. I like them. I like it. I'm holding them up on the camera.

If you're watching the podcast, we're both holding up our whole apparel tees so you can check these out. Yeah, this puts... I feel like you go out in town with this. This is putting out a message. This does put out a certain message, doesn't it? It does.

I like it. Wow. And also, you'd say, I don't know. Is that company from the 70s or is this from today yeah you don't really know you can believe it you could go either way with it i'm actually so stupid when i first read it i didn't even read it in my head as whole apparel i just like did one of those things like i was talking about a kai where i just kind of when i don't really know i don't say that yeah i'll just gloss over that one and then i was like oh wait it's ho yeah you know it's so that's funny at first i thought you're putting me on the spot and i was like

getting trapped like i was gonna say it wrong but wow very cool so yeah check out check out ho apparel um and their official thing here yeah um on facebook ho apparel and on instagram at ho underscore apparel h-e-a-u-x underscore apparel yes so if you're into pole dancing pole dancing fitness or maybe you think someday you want to be into it you know how to get a pole how to use a pole how to dance on it uh no doubt though that that's that's uh that's very hard i like physically demanding i couldn't do it yeah no never never ever um what what else did we what was next here on the list tanner um we did have a um heavy thought segment do you remember our heavy thoughts the new yeah this is new well this well, we've kind of mentioned it once.

Yeah, it's not. It's not new, new. We kind of did it once without knowing it was a segment. I think we kind of did it again. And so this might be the third iteration of Heavy Thoughts. We're just polishing it a little more each time. Yes, right. So I think Heavy Thoughts is becoming a fan favorite.

I think so. And, you know, it's a double entendre because it's heavy is something we talk about lifting weights a lot, but also heavy like, ooh, it's a deep thought. Like, ooh, we're really going beyond skin deep on this one. We're digging in the next level. Past the surface. Right, right. We really are hard thinkers, not just like, ha, big weights.

We lift them. Oh, are these guys philosophers over here? Yes, right. So heavy thoughts. This is an idea I think I talked to you about it in the gym, and I know I have a couple other people. And it's this feeling where I feel like I am always never more than one good day or one bad day away from completely doing a 180 on my outlook on how

my lifting and training is going. It's only ever one day away from just completely flip flipping the script. And in addition to that, I I've had two different thoughts. I wonder what you think. My first reaction is like, that's kind of an immature way of looking at it because you know, you have to see the forest through the trees. You have to, uh, uh, it's the macro that the individual day doesn't matter. And I understand that that's true, but I still get that feeling where I'm like, I had a bad day and it's like, ah, the sky is falling. I will never be able to do this lift again. I don't know why I don't just quit doing it. And why am I even trying?

Or the opposite, where it's like, I'm going to break all of the records. I am going to crush my former self. Yeah, I had one good day here, and the sky's the limit. Look out, world. Yes. So my thought, that's kind of an immature take on it.

My other thought, though though, like conversely, it's kind of something I experienced more as I've gotten older because you, you have these rougher days more often that you're, and you start to think like, and you get more jaded on the process in general. Like when you're new, everything's fresh and you have such a good outlook on you're so young. It's like,

well, yeah, I'm probably, even if I have a bad day, I'm going to feel fine tomorrow. I have infinite time. It doesn't matter. Right. And at a certain age, you're like, oh, wait, yeah, that's my back that hurts. And I don't know if like, it's been hurting.

That's been bothering me every time. I don't know if it's ever going to feel better. So me having this bad day, I'm like, yep, that was it. Yeah. I a hundred percent get what you're saying tanner like for me like it's just been starting probably basically since after the last meet i did like three years ago it's just been a very a road of almost all downs and very few ups like that's how i would describe this road it's been downhill and very few downhill as in bad, like as in, as in not like progress,

like we're like climbing the mountain downhill in this, in this metaphor, climbing the mountain up is progress and going down the mountain is, is a regression. And so in this case, it's been like almost a free fall down the mountains at times. And it hasn't even been until I would say this year where I felt like I'm taking steps up that

mountain again right but even then I'd get just recently I get 11 11 weeks of feeling like progress and then kind of a minor setback it's like damn is was that just a one week thing or is this going to be a two three four week right what's going to happen here and right and that yeah I I know I'm like having, I'm having trouble verbalizing it because it is so frustrating. Yeah. Right. Uh, so you, do you experience that specifically to some degree where you have a good day and you're like, yeah, I really do. Like for me most recently, like squats have been going really, really good and bench. I could actually both. I could literally feel progress every single, single week yeah um i'd been very conservative on my squat so it wasn't as

exciting because i know more is there i'm just really trying to play the longevity thing at the moment right and bench i am pushing it more and like my numbers are coming back fairly fast and so that one's like more exciting every every week because it's like oh i haven't touched i haven't touched any weights like this in over a year so like these do really feel like actual progression is happening here right um but you're definitely in that spot too right now oh i mean yeah like that being said like just right now if i'm i'm looking at this as the larger picture not exactly what's going on for me right now the second because things are actually going great i'm actually in that mode where i've had a lot of days where I'm like boy I'm like just gonna just I'm just gonna crush what I've done before you know I get that thought and that's a you more so get the sky as fall it's

easier to feel like the sky is falling than to feel like it's going great but that's kind of an easy way to paint the picture on both sides is like I have been feeling pretty good and things have been going well. And like my getting ready for this meet is going almost too well. It is like, and I do, that is a thought in my head. Sometimes I'm like,

when is going to be the day that I'm something bad is going to happen here because, Oh, so does my peak end next week? Well, it's like, it's almost like, when am I going to like acutely hurt something

where i'm like i do something and feel a pop yeah you know like i know because i am doing i'm peaking my weights are getting heavier and even up until today i had like this week i had a great squat a great bench and a great deadlift like an all-time pr bench right yeah oh yeah the the heaviest pause bench i've ever done i had the heaviest squat i've ever done in sleeves um my deadlift isn't that you know it wasn't a pr not very close but still like going really good you know just doing good things but i still get that thought of like oh when is that uh when is that thing gonna happen that is supposed to happen here soon because if it doesn't i'm just gonna go ahead have to go ahead and have a good meet i'll just go on yeah what am i supposed to do with this show up and put a meet together right if something doesn't happen soon

i'm it's just gonna go real good all the way to the end uh but i'm not gonna push my luck though like after if i make it through the meet and everything goes really great take your chips and cash no then it's like i double down and go for bigger PRs the next week. No, it's like I am going to back off on the heavy lifts for a while and just kind of do some other stuff. Make your way off with what you got and count it as, which I think is probably the smart thing to do. Yeah, and be like, well, now I can do that again next year, hopefully,

if I want to. Yeah, and that is the thing. When you look at like getting discouraged, like when you don't have a meet coming up, a big, a bad training session can be annoying, but it's not that discouraging because it's like, well, I just had a bad training day. This doesn't mean much in the scheme of things, like not in a season for anything. The more discouraging thing is injury. That's right. And yeah, almost always that is the most discouraging thing is injury that's right and yes almost always that is the most discouraging thing but when you're getting closer to a meet bad training days can be really

discouraging almost almost more so than injuries at times because a lot of times it just feels like it's a mental thing like what's broken in my head now right yeah it's like well now i am discouraged to the point that i don't think i can do any of the things i was planning on doing in the next few weeks leading up to the meet let alone the meet and we should both say like when we say bad training day it's not like just bombing sets no it's just kind of like it's just like why was that so hard I think I almost died today and that's not how today was supposed to be right that's what those are the discouraging days I think that we encounter not uh yeah I was supposed to do five sets and I made it through two like no

that doesn't happen no that doesn't it happens to people but if any you know that if to an injury it's possible for that to happen but that's two separate things whether we're talking injury or just like kind of having a bad day yeah yeah that was my heavy thoughts ideas for the most part it was pretty heavy wasn't it that was pretty heavy tanner yeah good stuff very good stuff what else do we have on the list here we do have a guest today we do have a guest coming up soon should i do i need to read another ad or do we have any other particular uh segments we need well i'll put it this way tanner you can either read podcast reviews now or later. That's your choice. Assuming you even have them ready.

I don't know. Maybe I'll do that later because our guest is ready. So let's hit you with another ad, Tommy. Do you want me to read the ad while you prep the guest, or are you good to go there? Maybe you should read an ad. That's actually a good call. Okay, that way you can get all of your equipment ready over there, Tanner.

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Now we got our guest on the line here, hopefully. Hello. Hey, Andy. You're on the Massonomics Podcast with Tanner and Tommy. How are you doing? What's up, Andy? Good. What's up, guys?

How are you? Good, good. We're excited to get you on here. Did we pull you away from recording your own podcast tonight? We finished like 10 minutes ago, so just in time. You're doing kind of the podcast marathon tonight, then. Yeah, it's not too bad. Back to back.

You're going to get a sore ass. At least with yours, i can walk around okay yeah uh no we're we're excited to get you on here and you know that's kind of one of the things we're curious about talk talking to you you've done a couple uh different podcasts over the years right right now you've got uh yours going with john hack is it two bros one shaker cup yes sir a good name, too, who came up with that. That's a great name. We kind of went through a bunch of names, and we talked to our friends and pulled it and see. But John really liked this one because some people who don't get it,

they're just like, I don't understand it. And then we have to explain it to them, and then they're exposed to the first understand it and then we have to explain it to them and then they're exposed to the first time they have to watch that video and you just get to watch a part of them die right in front of you yeah exactly uh that video that just lives on forever that one video yeah uh and then prior to that you recorded with with brandon allen um in uh the broadcast and then even before that was there had you done something else before that too um not podcast wise i just i mean i've done like been on other people's podcasts but i i was just doing like my own youtube for a while

and doing some some stuff that i think that was earlier. Like, uh, I think early for power lifters doing YouTube, but not early for like the YouTube movement. So Brandon and John are probably very different in a lot of ways. I would think, um, in a lot of ways, uh, what, What's it like for you? You know, you're the common thread between the two shows then. You know, you're the co-host that's been on both. How would you compare or contrast what it's like with Brandon versus what it's like with John?

Yeah, there's definitely a ton of, like, differences and almost polar opposites. mean john's really uh introverted introverted uh so he doesn't talk as well or as much and he's not as you know animated and certainly not as unfiltered as uh as brandon and then you got brandon you know, smoking and drinking, cussing like on the podcast, uh, you know, literally saying anything on his mind. And, um, so it definitely, those are the two most obvious differences. Um, but the, you know, the catalyst is just, you know, just powerlifting and having fun and just,

just talking like before at, at, at dinner, hanging out or, you know, just on the couch talking or in the gym. So, you know, I think I could do that with, you know, just about anybody who's competed at a high level and knows and does coaching and knows the ins and outs of powerlifting. Right. And you guys record in person together now, correct? No, we don't. Because of now correct no we don't like we because of zoom now we don't really need to okay uh in the past we did with with uh brandon we did skype but that quality wasn't the best um but now with zoom it's a lot easier and a lot better quality and um so yeah i mean we john lives probably 20- 25 minutes away from me, but it's just more convenient to not have to do it in person. What's more challenging than between the two?

Would it be, would you say at times reeling in Brandon or trying to keep him from maybe going completely off the rails? Or, you know, John's more subdued, maybe getting him to get outside of his comfort zone more on the podcast? I think definitely it was reeling Brandon in. No, I mean, because John, he still speaks. It just depends on the topic. I mean, he's not that introverted but like we're talking about powerlifting that's easier for him to talk about and and if he knows the guest and uh all these things so it's not that's not really that hard to do and and um you

know he knows what what's going on and uh you know it's a podcast he has to talk um uh whereas brandon you know it could go just in so many directions at any point and he obviously has very strong beliefs and uh especially like things that aren't parlaying related and so when he gets off gets off like on a tangent i kind of have to like reel him back in and that's just kind of like a every more common occurrence for sure. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I think, um, yeah. Talking about other, other stuff you do.

So are, are you, you're an owner of iron rebel now? Is that right? Yes. I'm, I'm a owner. There's three owners and,

uh, I think I've been owner for about a little over a year now. Okay. So, and I've been working there for five years now. So how did that, what did that transition look like? You know, a little over a year now. Okay. And I've been working there for five years now. So how did that, what did that transition look like? You know, so you worked there for several years or were a part of it before you became an owner.

You know, how did that opportunity come or what's that been like now that you are an owner? How does it feel different? Yeah. So before I was, so I was living in Louisiana. I'm originally from California, but I moved out there just for work and just to kind of see the world or see the country, just be somewhere else. And then towards the tail end of when I was there, I started powerlifting, and then I wanted to move back to California. California and at the time I was like a personal trainer and and had you know a great base of clients but to move back I'd have to like start over so I was kind of worried about that but

luckily like parlately took off and then I started coaching more and then I got on with juggernaut as a coach for them too and so I was you know I was building slowly building my way to where i could transition better um and then i also talked to uh ion robo when i was i i reached i got sponsored by them i just talked to him about like hey i want to move back but you know i kind of want more security so you know i don't want to like just move up move out move back without like a better plan and have more income um so they just offered me like a part-time job so i was like okay cool i can just start in the warehouse just doing basic stuff uh while i built up my my coaching with with on my own and with uh juggernaut and then eventually i just um i i while i was there i you know i was able to just provide more more ideas and and um being you know in the

community on on on the streets and in the meets and and just be more of a face for iron rebel they just gave me more uh more responsibility and just more belief in me and then the previous owner i don't you guys know ed koo was yeah i think i i i think i had seen before that him as a previous owner yeah yeah um so without getting into like messy details he he ended up being kicked out as partner and uh shelly the original the creator and and owner uh you know she she's more behind the scenes more of the business side the paperwork and all that stuff so um you know so it was easy transition when she asked me to just become you know an owner and and take on the role that ed had and then just you know add on to it and

just do a a different better job i guess i would i would i consider it um you know and just and so it was just a great transition um you know she knew that obviously i was just you know love being part of iron rebel and helping it grow and um and yeah it's it's my i guess it's my life and i really like you know the community and the sport and help uh grow it and definitely being part of Iron Rebel obviously helps me with a bigger reach and have a direct impact like through our products and you know competing and stuff and being at meets and stuff cool uh yeah Iron Rebel is would you say a bigger portion of your customer base comes from the powerlifting world or the bodybuilding world or just some combination of both? Yeah, it's hard to say the exact percentage because we also have just regular gym goers.

Right, true. We can't quote-unquote call them bodybuilders or powerlifters per se because a lot of people power lift but aren't power lifters so um uh but i would i mean i can at least say that our majority of our uh customers are female or sorry male uh about 80 percent um but we're definitely trying to grow the female side um so like i said i can't it's hard to say because like i am more responsible for the powerlifting world mostly what i see right and we can't really just pull our customers like hey are you powerlifting or whatever but i think the beginnings of it was powerlifting based because of uh we started with gear and that's it's more of like our identity first and foremost. But we're definitely growing to where we're trying to get into different spaces

and different audiences where we're not just bodybuilding. I feel like we're pretty much established in those two communities, so we want to grow outside now. Right on. Makes sense. So your handle on Instagram, uh is it that huge asian guy is that the is that the right handle it is so are you the strongest asian guy well it's it's hard to say because uh do you base it on wilks well either way.

What about just absolute strength? Are you the strongest? Is there anyone that could be considered strong? Yeah, a bigger total or in some other way be considered stronger. Okay, so if we're just powerlifting specific, then I can't think of another Asian asian male that's as big as a bigger total than me then no uh but we're talking like weightlifting then yeah there's there's little chinese boys probably stronger than me but but right uh yeah yeah but no i i think as far as i you know like i can't think of a lot of like uh asian um powerlifters

with a bigger like in the bigger weight classes so you know obviously you know i back when i started um i think like a guy i like followed who's really funny is jordan wong oh yeah yeah absolutely very strong too very strong but as far as the top in like total lifted, I think, you know, you know, if anybody out there hears this, correct me. But if we look at open piloting, I think I definitely think I'm without testing and ancestry on everybody. Yeah, actually, pretty big honor, too, because i don't know what the population numbers are in the world population yeah right right yeah i'm the uh i'm the emperor who's the guy is he like is it like deadlift panda or something like he oh yeah yeah oh is that okay oh yeah um but i'm total i don't know what i i just

only i his deadlifts pop up to me on instagram all the time but i don't really i don't really know his other lifts honestly but yeah his deadlifts definitely the the his strongest lift his other ones aren't aren't anything to really speak about but yeah he's definitely crazy strong and he's i think he's only like 180 pounds yeah um but i think i think too if we go by wilks i i am also still i think stronger than everybody technically so by by absolute strength or by wilks you so it's kind of undisputed at that point yeah i yeah but also i don't know if we're going to take into consideration mixed people, quarter Asian, a tenth. I don't know. We don't want to get into technicalities.

But I am probably the full made in Taiwan, full Chinese. I think I'm the strongest, yes. I think that's a prime award to have. Yeah, you do. And you do have a good, like a very good, catchy Instagram handle that you got, but you could, could also, you know, could also been world's strongest Asian, I think would have been pretty good. If you ever decided to change it. Right. I think that could be a, another good, good option.

How I got that name was like, um,isiana when i was i was still bodybuilding at the time and you know a lot of people would see me in the gyms and and in the like supplement stores and and whatever the whole community uh but they if they didn't know my name and you know they never talked to me i never interested we never met then they would like start referring to me like they'd be like oh you know that huge asian guy yeah he just got around and so like that's that's where the name came from so it's very it fits yeah you know it's like huge asian guy yeah and he's hard to remember so yeah okay that's cool uh uh kind of talking about training and and your your power lifting you know i know you've put up some really big totals uh uh squatted well over 800 deadlifted well over

800 benched over 500 but i think you've done what what and then raw just leaves a 2193 so not quite that 2200 okay um so my best squat raw in just leaves 843 and then best in wraps is 880 oh sorry i didn't do it in competition i've done 887 a couple times in training, but I've done 873. That was at the Kern where everybody got red-lighted because of the judging. The judge on the one side gave everyone red lights. Yes. I've benched 523 in a meet and pulled 848 in a meet. Those are my goals.

Well, so what I was kind of, what I was kind of wondering is something we were just talking about not too long ago. Tommy and I are both like in our mid thirties, we both been powerlifting for several years. You know, we're very intermediate at, at best,

but we still, we, a lot of times like we get to, we, we start to think like, ah, is, does the age catch up with us?

Like, are we able to still, uh, even at our level be as strong as we were at one other point in time? I think you're a few couple of years older than us. Are you like 37 or somewhere in that range? Yeah, I'll be, uh, I'll be 37 in August. I was born in 84. So yeah, I'm definitely, uh, I, I feel what you guys are saying. I think, i think what you're leading to is like so i've i've been lifting consistently like i don't think i've ever taken more than like three or four days off since i was 15 so it was going on over 20 years yeah 20 plus years and and i played football

in high school and a little bit in college but even after college i never stopped like squatting and then and then into bodybuilding i kept squat squatting. So I've been squatting every week for 20-something years. So my joints are probably headed to the point where I'll probably need to back off a lot. So over the past year or two, with the injuries I've had and just kind of the lack of progress, with the injuries I've had and just kind of like the lack of progress I've kind of like accepted the fact that like I'm I'm probably on the down slope of my career not saying I can't make progress but I definitely have to be more careful I think I have to not compete as much anymore uh even two two meets a year might be too much I think I'm gonna just back off and just start doing one

a year and i've implemented to where i don't there's days where i don't power lift specifically quote unquote i've been going to like a commercial la fitness and just doing like bodybuilding because i feel like that's what got me my my initial success uh you know, my first powerlifting meet, I totaled 1868, which, you know, obviously was very elite at the time. That was back in 2017, I believe. But then in two years, I jumped. I added over 230 pounds to my total. my total so i feel like my base with bodybuilding and my muscle uh size and the training i did with all the volume it it really you know gave me a great transition to it but since i've started powerlifting i've just been so like specific with powerlifting even with like volume blocks

quote-unquote but i haven't been able i haven't stopped like directly squatting and deadlifting so i feel like at least i want to try to where i back off completely from powerlifting for longer periods of time uh during my off season and then see how that does and and so far it's been doing well for my injuries and my my uh my joints and stuff so my, uh, my joints and stuff. So I think, uh, I think I, the carrot is just dangling just, just enough to where I'm still, I still have some, some motivation in me and some belief that I can still make progress. I just have to do it a different way than I've been doing it the last four or five years. And I just have to be more patient. Um, so yeah, that's, that's where my mindset is at now. Like I I'm, I'm definitely have to slow down. I don't have a lot of years left, but I still can't compete at this high

level that, you know, the John Hacks are doing. So for you, like mentally, like recognizing that and making that switch, was that hard for you or did you did you accept that fairly easily um some days it's hard because my when i set the when i totaled 2193 i was 30 pounds away from breaking stan records all-time world record at the time yep then and that's a big record that's a big one at the time it was big for me because i stand was like you know what my one of my biggest inspirations doing this and and when i did it i was so close i'm like oh i'm just like one meter away right i really i really rushed it rushed the next meet and i ignored probably like being more patient, doing some more volume blocks and little injuries.

And then just started this cascade where I would get injured and then come back and come back just with enough time to prep, but never not enough time to have an actual off season. And then freaking Larry wheels comes along and, and Dennis Cornelius like has an amazing meat so that raised the bar and so i'm like okay fuck that and i just kept i still kept pushing harder faster push harder faster i just i just like i just need to just it's the one thing in my career that I really wanted to do. And, but with the injuries, like, you know, I tore my adductor right off the current two years ago.

And that was just like a big injury to you. I've never had such a big injury. And so I think at that point I was like, okay, I can't, I can't look at other people anymore. I have to just improve myself or, or so. Yes, I did.

It was an easier transition at that point. Cause I kept getting injured and I was like, okay, I think my body is towards my limit. You know, I can't expect to make the progress. I mean, the first two years in the,

and then based on the previous two years. And then also there's just, there's just freaks like larry who you know even if i did maybe break this record he could just come back and break it too which i have no doubt um so yeah just slowly with maturity and letting my ego go i i know that like you know and then this past year um oh man uh his name's expecting me his instagram name's hulk myers but he he raised the bar again he totaled over 2300 for my so so now the bar is even higher so now i have to like readjust Like, okay, breaking an all-time record is probably not in my cards. And I just have to accept making smaller goals or ones that are more realistic for me. But yeah, I think even after I retire, or quote-unquote retire, that will be one of my biggest regrets is not being able to break a world record.

Yeah. Well, I think you have a really realistic viewpoint on it now, though, too. And it kind of sucks. Like, you know, at the time, you just wanted to push harder, faster, and maybe you weren't all that injured and you were so close to the world record. So you just – in hindsight, it's easy to say, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. I should have backed off, took in more time, come back stronger and healthier. I would have probably hit bigger totals

over that time period of time. But there's always that what if. Right, and at the time, it's almost impossible to think like that when you're that close. You just can't. You're like, no, I'm coming back for the next big one. I can get a little stronger.

Right, right, right. And it's like yeah that last that third deadlift you know it actually moved pretty good i on a good day there's probably 50 you know uh 10 more kilos there like it's just uh it's that's really hard at that point in time especially probably when you're that close to it yeah i was that close to it and just based on my like my trajectory of how fast i was improving, I was like, oh yeah, next to me, no problem. And also another side, I don't know if you guys, sorry about drugs on this. Oh yeah, we had Pete on a few episodes back and he really got into big time on his philosophy and how he's changed things and that sort of thing. Okay.

Yeah. So, I mean, at my peak, I don't, I definitely don't think I was as high as the, you know, some of the stories I've heard about other lifters. But I was pushing it pretty hard and I wasn't feeling great and I was very toxic and I was heavier and I looked a little more red than I should be. and I looked a little more red than I should be. And so I think that also contributed to my injuries, just taking the wrong stuff, stuff that like I can contribute to just making your muscles a little too tight and stuff like that. And,

and just the amounts and stuff like that. So I think I've definitely backed off from that too. And yeah, maybe that's affecting my progress a little bit but i definitely would take the the uh the alternative of being more healthy feeling better than than pushing in the way i felt and you know i think also i was i was you know not healthy mentally at that point too because i was just very focused on my whole life was focused that way and i couldn't you know couldn't let anything outside of powerlifting into my life

so that affected relationships and stuff too and that happened in bodybuilding too so that's kind of like my part of my personality and how i do things and how competitive i am but definitely now i'm way more uh balanced balanced and have a better perspective on like what's more important and how to approach things. Don't they just say up the dose, lift the most? Yeah, there's many. Words of wisdom. Yeah.

Lots of ways to justify it if you want to. Yeah. But then it's like well if that was the case then everybody would just get stronger yeah right exactly I don't think there's any shortage of people that

that is their philosophy yeah that is what they think too yeah no that's cool that's good you know what sorry i just thought about this the other day because so i feel like you know another one of my idols you guys obviously know dan green yeah absolutely and so he's battled like years of injury oh yeah he's been through like some major ups and downs yeah it's like yeah and and and while i but i don't know how old he is exactly

yeah i don't know for sure he might be slightly younger than us or maybe our age but man he's he's on the comeback so like he gives me he gives me hope that's so that's a good point yeah well how old was stan when he broke world record i mean wasn't he about 40 yeah he was in his 40s so so yeah so that like i, that carrot is still there. And I just have to change my philosophies. And there's no reason why I can't make progress. I just have to be more realistic about it. Yeah.

Yeah. You just have to be more like Dan Green is all. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to grow my hair out. Yes. That's good. Just look like you're ready to go to a bodybuilding show at any point in time.

Yeah. Well, and so you switched away from Juggernaut recently, too. You're training with Ryan out of Strong Barbell Club now, is that right? Yeah. You guys are stalkers. No, I'm just kidding kidding no well you're not wrong i was with chad i noticed your underwear looks different today too yeah more silky now uh yeah i was you know i started with chad he's my first coach ever and

obviously he got me to where i to my peaks and and i still work for juggernaut okay you do then okay yeah yeah but it just got to a point where like well also like chad got out of coaching quote unquote for the most part except for making marissa so yeah i know his heart and his mental mentality was just not into coaching as much and after working for them for i think three or four years i already know like how he programs me yeah you know what's next yeah i know what's next i know how i how he peaks me and and also um and i'm not blaming his programming for this but i was just getting injured and stuff a lot more and i needed more like like different accessories different warm-up work mobility work that like he doesn't do which is not not it's it's not a knock on him that's just not his specialty

that's not what he's focused on right um so you know so for a brief moment i went to uh trevor and i was just i was just trying to like find different things and see what I could do to improve my body from not the programming sense, but just different exercises, different ways to warm up and do prehab versus just getting back from injuries. And then a little bit of different programming but um and then you know i was trevor for a while and i learned a lot of stuff from him but his programming was not for me um but i still like i'll still reach out to him if i have questions about coaching another athlete so he's still a great source of uh information and coaching um but then uh ryan and i we just i don't know i think we just clicked um he's very fluid um you know i had a slight little injury weird hip thing that came up a couple months ago and we were able to just navigate navigate that around that and so i think it's like like ryan

does coach me but it's still like a definitely a collaboration um where it's probably like you know 70 30 where he does most of it and it just takes a definitely a collaboration um where it's probably like you know 70 30 where he does most of it and it just takes a lot of thinking out of it for me um but also you know in many ways i john is my training partner i see him every day and he's also you know quote unquote coaching me and but more like from a training partner standpoint and and helping me you know every day to day with with different lifts and being a second eye what does he really know about lifting heavy i don't know i mean it's hard but it's funny too because like sometimes john's like well you got

just uh just do it better do more better like me hey if i wanted to know about always Sunny in Philadelphia, I'd ask you. Yes. Yeah, John definitely is not too arrogant to know he does not great the best

technique, so he'll tell me i don't know i just i kind of just i just do it this way i just work it up it's worked for me so far sometimes people are just so good they don't need to worry about that part of it yeah i'm like oh thanks john i'll be sure to i'll pull harder for the showdown because I had to pull out of the current because of the current and and and the current was just something i do because i mean i i hate raps i don't think i'll ever do raps again um but when it first came out you know it was just such a big spectacle with all the best lifters and the money and all that so i was like i'll throw on raps and just see um but the kern's also uh like only an hour away from me so it's just like more convenience but also you know a big meet and um but i'm

definitely but i'm cursed with the current so the first kern i did was 2018 no 17 i think i don't know either way i i blew out my quad or i tore my quad my opening squat so that's done and then the year after that that was the one where i talked about with the weird judging um so i had a great squat great great knee going in but then after my second deadlift i pulled my hamstring i strained it so i couldn't even do my third deadlift and then and then the most recent one i did was where i blew out my adductor and then this prep i hurt my glute so like i'm just destined to not do the kernel yeah i just stay away i'm gonna stay away stay away from it and just be the handler that I am and just show up and just help people

because I really enjoy that too now. Yeah. When in doubt, it's never a bad idea to pull out. That's what I've always learned. There you go. Andy, we've had a lot of guests on our podcast over the years and we've gotten to have a lot of cool people on it. So I'm wondering with your show, is there anyone –

we've reached out to a lot of people. We've gotten to get a lot of cool people, some we haven't been able to get to. Is there anyone on your wish list that you would like to get as a guest on the show that you haven't been able to up to this point or that you maybe haven't tried yet? Let me think oh well dan green uh yeah he just does he just doesn't do them no i was gonna say that would just be i do remember he was on mark bell's power cast like one of the i feel like it was his episodes early on. He did not say very much though. For me to remember from it. He does. He does have a lot of content with Dave Tate though.

You got a few. I have, I actually remember him doing one with him. That was actually pretty good. He seemed to open up a lot more for that one. It seemed. Yeah. It was really good.

So funny, funny story about Dan. So, um, I visited, do you guys know, uh, the muscle doc, Jordan shallow? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So Jordan was a, is a chiropractor and he was working out of boss bar bill, uh, for a while. And then, um, so I was, I just visited one, one weekend, uh, just staying out with him and lift at boss. Um, and Dan just happened to be there. And so we kind of deadlifted together. Uh, but throughout,

throughout the, the session, like, you know, he didn't speak much. Yeah. Um, but then,

and then like right afterwards, like after deadlifting, we did like some accessories and Dan, like, you know, we talked here and there. So, you know,

I was like, okay, yeah, Dan's just not very talkative or, or, you know, whatever. And, but it just not very talkative or or you know whatever and but it was cool getting to hang out with him and well and then so like after that like jordan jordan and i go eat or whatever and he's like hey man dan really likes you like really how do you

know how do you know he's never talked that much to somebody who worked out here. That was talking a lot? That's funny. Doesn't Dan follow zero people on Instagram? Is following zero people on Instagram a gangster move or is that a dick move? It's definitely a gangster move. It's like those big

celebrities or companies who don't follow anybody dan is a brand yeah but he's still on there he still like responds to our comments so he's still there he just doesn't yeah i don't know how he how he follows other people i think he just like like searches and i don't know what your feet what it looks like when you follow nobody yeah i don't know how that works maybe maybe you care even. You've got to do it the manual way, I guess. Yeah, I don't know how that works. Maybe you care even more because you have to put in the effort to look up people then. Right. Yeah, that's true.

That is pretty boss, I would say. That is the boss. The boss. Andy, we've got this game we like to play with everyone on the show. We call it Overrated or Underrated. So we have a series of special topics for you, and it's just your job to decide whether they're overrated or underrated. You can't ride the line.

You have to come up with a decision, and this part is pretty serious shit. So if you're ready, we'll get into it. All right, let's do it. Okay, good. Okay, overrated or underrated jordan ones underrated are you what's your favorite jordan uh jordan ones okay that's what that's what's your what's your favorite colorway uh i black and red is like my favorite colors so So, uh, the black and red. Yeah. Okay. You gotta pay the price premium though.

If you're a black and red. Yeah, I don't, I don't, okay. I'm not like a crazy collector and I don't resell and all that stuff. And I do wear my shoes. I lift in them.

Uh, but I do have like three or four pairs. I don't touch. Okay. Like, like don't even wear them out or you're just careful. No, I don't.

No, I don't even like wear them out. Like I'm don't. I don't even wear them out. I'll probably resell them. Because you squat and bench. Do you do everything in Jordans? I don't deadlift them. They're just a little too thick, too high up. But on squat,

have you tried others before? I mean, are Jordans obviously, they look cool, but do you also feel like they're the functional good choice for you? Does it feel good for you? They definitely feel good. It's not slowly looks. I started off squatting in heels. It was like the Adidas Powerlift, so not a super high heel.

I've tried Romanellos, but the heel's too high. It really pitches me forward. I can't get an even footing on them. I'm either all the way on my toes or all the way on my heels. So the medium heel helped me. But after blowing out my quad and having a lot of knee issues, the heels just make my knees go past my toes way too much and at the weights i was squatting or am squat or used to squat and uh

it was just too much sheer force and my knees would always be hurting always sore um and i've never had problem with depth so i just decided to like start switching into flats and lo and behold i was still you know able to squat low fine um and then just jordan ones just happened to be um like at the time the reebok lifters weren't being made so i was like okay i want i want like a really solid shoe that's like has a really hard sole um but more important for me like i've tried chucks and vans but my i have a really wide foot they're super skinny especially the toe box is super skinny yeah and they're not very like supportive

so i always like blow out the pinky part so so and then so you know i was just i just wore jordans generally uh casually outside of the gym and then so i started squatting them and it worked and i i will definitely say i'm not the first one to lift in jordans but i'm definitely i think i'm casually outside of the gym. And then, so I started squatting them and it worked. And I, I, I will definitely say I'm not the first one to lift in Jordan's, but I'm definitely, I think I'm the first one to squat in Jordan ones and make it a thing. I know like Russell does it now, but I definitely did it before him. So you learn from the master.

Yeah. I think, I think I'm also another, that's another title. I'm proud of. That's good. Yeah. I have video proof,

so we'll, we'll see all right good stuff overrated or underrated dragon ball z okay i think it's overrated at this point um i think a lot of people just it's hard to say like if they have actually watched the whole series from the beginning or they just watch the newer ones. Um, but I feel like a lot of newer ones do me like Dragon Ball Kai or whatever, whatever.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Versus the original ones were like, you know, you go like 30 episodes between a fight. You have to have so much patience. Um,

and I think it's just like a, you know, a, a, a meme-ish thing now. Yeah, it's just a cool thing to like support or talk about, but I don't think they're fans of it. When I was a kid, so I want to say I was probably in like fourth or fifth grade like when Cartoon Network like Toonami had Dragon Ball Z on every day at like four o'clock and like I would go home from school and I was so jacked to watch it and you just made me remember this now when you said about like 30 episodes between fights do you remember and I could be wrong here maybe you remember but when um when they're fighting frieza and what is he has his his move where he's

going to do like he's going to blow up the planet with that huge ball isn't that what it is yes okay and i think they said like oh it's going to take frieza's going to make the it's it's going to take him five minutes to power up this this energy ball we have to stop him and i remember in my head like five minutes well this will be done in this episode. And it didn't get done that episode. I don't think it got done the next episode or the one after. Like, I think it was, like, five episodes for this five-minute power-up. Like, time meant nothing on that show. No, it didn't.

It was crazy. It's like dog years. It was. It was. Like, time had, like, no perspective on that show. It just, like, it didn't matter. But I'd watch every single one. But it's like, okay, it takes five minutes to power up this thing but you guys can like

instantly like like transport they can teleport to anywhere in the world at any point yeah yeah and then there was also the whole thing of like i remember at that time like the internet wasn't super easy to come by so you didn't exactly know what was going on and like toonami would get caught up like alright they beat Frieza and that's all we have dubbed so it would just start back over at what Raditz or whatever at the very beginning and you're like damn is that the end of the show you didn't

really know anymore and then they'd build all the way back up to Cell so it's like okay in a year or two you can see the Cell saga go on now so yeah those are my frustrations with the show yeah is that your favorite anime or is there something else that's better I go on now. Those are my frustrations with the show. Is that your favorite anime?

Or is there something else that's better? I don't watch a ton of anime. I read a lot. I read a lot of mangas. But Dragon Ball Z is my all-time favorite. Good stuff. Overrated or underrated? The USPA.

I don't know. It's just like saying what I think other people think of it, so it's hard to... I think it's underrated, but I have a different perspective because I work in the same office as them. My business partner, my business partner is married to Steve Dennis and the president. So I know. So like when a lot of like drama goes on and the internet is in the,

in this social media is like going crazy. I, I know the behind the scenes, like the reasons why they don't or do things and so like i guess i'm a little closer to it um and i and i see like what they put into it and the reasoning behind it so i think that's why i think they don't get not that they don't get the credit deserve but i think um i i just see when i see negative stuff i just like i try to like defend them uh as much as or behind the scenes i do but i i try not to like be super vocal about it

on my instagram because like i can't i can't be biased like that um but i definitely think that people should give USPA more of a shot. And I think it's overall a better association compared to the other one, just based on what I've seen and heard. And so, yeah. And you said other one. You have said like other 200 really in there the other bigger competitor yeah yeah but you the the test the natty one yeah doesn't your girlfriend lift single ply she does okay yeah yeah is there a there is there a single ply uspa division uh yeah you can just every full power meet is considered single ply like you can do single ply if you want okay gotcha yeah and then like but that'll and then you know they have nationals too but i think the bigger

meet for the uspa one is the olympia one where you get okay that's that's like the where single ply is like yeah. The main attraction. This last topic for overrated and underrated very important. This one's worth all the marbles. Overrated or underrated? John Hack. We can hear you thinking from here and it's tough because he might hear your answer

so he's gonna hear this we'll make sure to post this clip specifically on Instagram I think he's like if I were to answer this honestly i think he's he's like fairly rated but for the purpose of this i would think i'm gonna say he's underrated okay because i think he's still

not at his limit i don't think he's he's like gonna slow down much in the next year or two i think he's still going up training upwards and i just think that people don't realize like how what he's doing how amazing it is yeah um because like if you're not a power lifter like people at the you know the top of the sport understand it but the rest of the 99 even like the people who just don't even power lift they just follow lifting i just think i don't think they understand like how crazy what he's doing is and and and and even like his whole journey like going from like natural winning ipa ipf worlds and you're just doing it like i quote unquote the right way the way i would like if i had a son i would probably tell him to do it this way it's just you have to like

you have to win things you have to like before taking the next step like don't take steroids before even winning your local contest right yeah like you know what i'm saying yeah and and then you know he he won ipf worlds he could have just stayed there and just dominated for like four five six whatever however many years you want to do it but like where's the fun in that when you're not even like challenging yourself and beating other like top lifters and so he wanted to go head-to-head with the best in the world so he uh you know went untested so and then now what he's doing, he's still making good progress, and just the way he goes about things, and he's not cocky and all that stuff.

I think he's underrated, but obviously I'm more biased. But really, I think he gets you know the the the recognition he deserves but i i still think he uh he's still gonna be uh you know upping upping the bar even more in the next year or two he hasn't reached his final form yet no oh yeah i think he's he's like super saiyan 3 he doesn't even know what super saiyan god is yet yeah and a year of training who knows what that amount of time actually is right yeah good news andy i think you passed overrated underrated you did well yes uh no and that kind of brings us towards the end i mean

people need to follow you on instagram obviously Obviously check out iron rebel, anything else that you want to get out there? Um, listen to two bros, one shaker cup. Yeah. Yeah. Listen to our podcast. Me and John, two bros, one shaker cup. Um, now that COVID is over, John and I will be resuming or not resume. We're going to start doing seminars. Our first seminar actually is going to be really a huge one. We're doing one with Ed Cohn never heard of it yeah so it's gonna be two goats and a panda i think that's what i'm gonna call the seminar i like that yeah it's gonna be in september so

if anybody's in the soCal area or if you're ambitious enough to fly or come out of state, it'll be in September. It'll be the three of us and just doing a seminar. We'll plan on doing more as the country opens up and we'll be

traveling and hopefully coming to a town near you. Other than that yeah follow me on social media uh or instagram that's underscore huge asian underscore guy uh iron rebel and i have a list of all these other supplement or sponsors but we don't need to talk about that it's fine you just find it on my instagram cool it's the longest gotta pay the bills yeah that's that's for like that buys my jordan guys yeah right awesome well thanks andy we appreciate that was good stuff yeah no problem thanks for having mine i'm glad we were able to link up because i i'm usually super busy during the week but uh you know today's my only day off during the week so

glad we were able to to work it out you got to get a few hours of podcasting in yeah i know awesome thanks man thanks a lot andy all right are you guys going to be uh at the showdown or anything yeah uh yes we are I think we're going to have a booth at the show. That's the plan. Yes. So what's that? September? Yeah.

The 24th. Yeah. I think we're going to have a booth there, actually. So we'll probably see you there. Awesome. Cool. Look forward to it. Cool.

All right. See you, man. All right, guys. See you. All right. Good night. What does he get, Tommy? Cool beans. Cool beans. Beans. Cool beans. He earned those beans. those beans and he got the double cool beans he worked for those beans well deserved

they were put him through the ringer on over underrated there's a couple that he really had uh he had to you know you get jordan ones he thinks oh this is easy i got this in the bag yeah then we bust out say we're gonna dial up the hardness level here then we bring in the USPA and he's got some personal connections there so he's got to be careful what he says you're going to have a really personal connection on this next one see what we've got to say about John Hack we dare you to say he's overrated

we've got a fifth question we might add his girlfriend in there even really make it personal that would have been good girlfriend, she's a tad overrated we didn't want to be the ones to tell you but uh no that was that was cool that was other stuff we had going on one thing i wanted to mention was on our site we've got stuff for sale you can go buy it that is a astute observation tanner more specifically what i was going to

mention is tank tops are all still there as of now you can get mostly any of them actually we didn't talk about how the drop went at all did we talk about that last weekend i don't know this is like dragon ball z i don't understand time anymore it was last thursday i believe wasn't it i mean i made an instagram post today it was just a week ago yeah that's insane yeah it's been seven days as of today huh yeah i guess you're right yeah it was the end of it was the end of may tanner it was like we planned all along the end of may hey right okay all right right it's like we had in our calendar yeah um yeah so it did go great right i mean it went really good uh we sold we've shipped out a ton of tank tops a lot of

people would be getting those by now yep so you'll see a lot more bare arms around this time yeah uh not like the furry ones not like bare arms but like exposed arms yeah yeah kind of fit kind of fat was uh was a hot seller that one is only a few I mean only a few quantities left and we're probably out of a few sizes now. We're out of a few sizes. Some of the other ones we could even be out

of some of the sizes. I think you got a good chance at most the sizes yet but not for long. But that's more of a compliment to us and how good we are ordering the correct sizes

than anything. I'll tell you what that is we have a formula that we do have a formula that is like never we have a formula that we do have a formula that is never an adjusting thing and but but the the formula is almost it's almost you know what the one flaw to the formula is in the system is the system's reactive uh it uses uh historical data and past performance is never a

guarantee of future future success like and that is true in investing and also true in ordering sizes of t-shirts yeah but uh to be fair it kind of does work so well there's usually one size that goes way too early and then the rest are good until sometimes it's just completely i'm like how why why that size in this item yeah why yeah and when we're saying that we're talking about the smaller sizes or the biggest size yeah and i swear people know like somehow people know when there's a run going on one size and everyone's like i have to buy a 2xl now everyone else is and they just there's been a few weird times where like 3xls i swear we've sold the first 10 orders were all 3xls and they just wipe out

the three xls like how did that happen yeah yeah like that never happens no that's true um well the other thing about the site i was going to say is we do have a few few sale items if you go to our shop and go to the sale tab we've got a few items on sale there's a few shirts there that are several dollars off uh no discount like a lot of stuff that's like 20 25 off there's a few sweatshirts on there and stuff but anything that's in that sale top tab and i think there's probably well the uh blue ribbon power lifting shirt is in there uh there's a lift fast t in there uh 8-bit highland games t in there a few other good t's that we've got in there and like i said a few sweatshirts really limited quantity on those but a few in there that stuff is probably it's it's for sure not coming back soon it's going

into the vault when it yeah it's for sure not coming back soon questionable if some of it even comes back so if you want any of those things buy those now because it's it's really your chance or you'll be in a situation like numero uno t where people have been begging for it for years and it's like yeah we don't know we don't know what we're doing with that we got a lot of new stuff to come out to that vault right so we don't know so get that stuff uh now really is your chance and not only is it kind of your last chance it's also on sale so it's just a hell of a good deal it practically cost you money to not buy it we're crazy for the some of the prices that we put

on those things they should legitimately lock us up and throw away the key because we are insane i wasn't gonna say it tanner but you are right the prices i mean we are legitimately crazy people for pricing some of those quality t-shirts at those guys run a business what they can't they're crazy uh so that's our site cop on there and buy some stuff sign up to become a supporting member You guys run a business? What? They can't. They're crazy. So that's our site. You can hop on there and buy some stuff. Sign up to become a supporting member of the show. That would be super cool.

We'd love to. Asinomics.com slash join. We always love adding more team members to the family. Yep. When you're here, you're family. Yes. That's always been our motto. And also, while we're at at it tell someone else about the podcast uh there's been a lot of that going on lately there's numbers to prove it and so whoever

is doing that keep doing it yes we appreciate it yeah it's cool seeing the numbers grow uh leave us a five-star review i didn't prepare some to read so we're gonna have to hold on the road to 400 is getting dangerously close we're over 350 tommy so does that hold on. But the road to 400 is getting dangerously close. We're over 350, Tommy. So does that mean we are on the road to the road? I think before we've said, well, I think we're on the road to the road, but I think the actual the road, in the past we've said you've got to get over the 60-70 line. So we're getting pretty damn close to the on-ramp. We're on the road to the road, though.

We are on the road to the road to 400. And that should be obvious to everyone. At this point in time, you should start to get how this works and yes be like ah yes they're on the road to the road i just checked they're at 351 um one other thing if you want to ever check where we're at you can go to massonomicsreviews.com fun name generator on there yeah a massonomics name what your massonomics name would be you can enter your name and it will spit out your massonomics nickname so you're looking forward if you uh if you uh want to reintroduce yourself to the guys at the gym and say hey i'm i've reinvented myself here's my new nickname go on there you can come up with all we need is your name birthdate social security number credit card cbc code expiration

date no really it is crazy how good this thing works so all you have to put in is your name and it actually kicks out your massonomics name every time it's insane how accurate it is too and like just how it always knows it knows it's like this uh is that how skynet is this how skynet starts with the massonomics name generator so i'm pretty sure this is where it's machine learning yeah Yeah. Machines go too far. It's like we don't, we ourselves don't even know. I think it was a deleted scene in Terminator.

I think so. Like this just didn't make the cut they thought it did make for good cinema. Yeah. We know how it went. Because I mean, we don't even know how to run the mass image name generator. We didn't put it there.

Yeah. Come to think of it, it appeared there on its own. Aren't these dots connecting each other? We don't even have really an intern with a say in that. That just appeared on its own. So the machines do have, I think,

intelligence, self-awareness. Where am I? In the future. Okay. Would you like to hear one more ad? I would love to. Today's show was brought to you by Texas Power Bars.

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I'm going to try. Yep. I'm going to give it my damnedest try. It's what Buddy would want. It is what he would want. Yes. To go with his timeline. Yes.

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Mine is the abbreviated version. All right, I'm going to start the timeline over. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights in the late 60s and began powerlifting in the mid-70s. At that time, he was working for Image Barbell, building gym equipment. Around 1976, a local machine shop started making Olympic bars for them calling it the Image Bar.

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Your inflection, all of that was good. Your pacing. But you did commit the cardinal sin of messing up the years. It's kind of like the biggest part of the whole thing. Almost the most disrespectful thing you could ever do. You're not wrong. Messing up the years of the timeline completely fucks up the whole thing. You might as well have just said a different company's name at the end

like he went from 1976 to 1997 what was he doing for those last 20 years he went into hiding for 19 years and developed the perfect bar then image barbell became champion barbell that doesn't make any sense it was the late

90s Hanson and the Spice Girls were on the radio. But he came out of hiding with his bar. He's like, this is the time. The internet will be coming soon. I must come. Quick, someone find me a lathe. I have known issues to get to.

I've been thinking about this for 19 years. This passion and drive and purpose isn't going to find its mission on its own Texas power bars they do have good bars

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One last chance for you to talk about their machined and e-coated plates. Available up to 100 pounds or coming down to 1.25 uh like you said sans the 35 oh that's our show tommy anything else uh i think that's everything that's a good show um you can where do they find you you know my favorite part is when we can review our own performance at the end pretty good pretty damn good yeah damn good show? Pretty damn good. Yeah, damn good show. Hell of a good show. I don't even know if we need to release this. We know it's that good. We don't need to let anyone else hear this. We did it. Where do they find you at, Tom? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D.

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