Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 276: Mike Israetel

Episode Date: July 19, 2021

Mike Israetel joins us to discuss how maximal recoverable volume can be related to self pleasure.  We also talk about organic foods, TED Talks, and who James Spader is. The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! website and everything. Massanomics. Welcome back everyone to episode 276 of the Massanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from Western Northeast, South Dakota. My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy. We've been getting a little more rain lately, Tommy. I'm just just i just want to jump into the weather update right away it's probably good we haven't been giving people enough weather

yeah i know it's just because it would be hot all the time i haven't been putting them out on our instagram story enough lately either it has been raining though yeah my grass is kind of turning green yeah coming back out of it isn't it it is uh and also uh bonus agronomy update the rain is really helping the corn and soybeans. It was actually, we're getting borderline to disastrous conditions for the corn. It's getting into a critical stage in the growth cycle for the corn plant. Pollination will start relatively soon. And had we not gotten any more rain for that um it could

have been real bad where the the corn uh starts to almost not produce an ear and i think even uh already at the stages we've gone through the corn is deciding how many ring how many um rows of ears it's going to put on it yeah how many rows it's going to have on the uh the ear and then now obviously still figuring out how long it's going to have on the uh the ear and then now obviously still figuring out how long it's going to be too but okay i think the corn plant can you uses like during the high growth stages up to like a tenth of inch of rain a day something like that so it needs a lot of rain we definitely didn't have that or no when we were getting no rain and and uh also a drought but the no rain but the part that was killing us was

it was like 100 degrees every day it was it was very very hot intense heat so free agronomy update to go along with your weather update but the the soybean plant can hold off a little longer they say that at least in our geography that um in july corn is made your beans are made in august oh so you need the august the august rains can really kick off your uh okay uh soybean yields well i gotta pay attention to my weather no tanner yes if you're worried about if you've got soybeans i was thinking these next two weeks would be the real deal breakers but now i know i gotta worry about another month if you uh completely threw your crop rotation plan out the window and went straight corn this year august wouldn't be as big of a deal because corn is made in july as they say so by the fourth of july yeah that's actually a very outdated uh euphemism or is that a euphemism

or saying whatever yeah isn't it like if it's not head high by the fourth yeah i mean yeah like knee high by the fourth of july it's like, man, that's a terrible stand. Yeah. Maybe it applies to the grass in your yard, maybe. Right. Right. Should probably read an ad, huh? Yeah.

Yes. Now that we got everyone caught up. But nice to see the rain. Very good. It's like rain. On your wedding day. Is that ironic that ironic i think isn't it no but is rain on your wedding day actually ironic no i don't okay that's one that i feel like people like get wrong i feel like we've had this exact conversation i want to talk about this actually i feel like someone

maybe that's binged on this will know if we've literally had this exact conversation about. We might have. Okay. All right. That's like the example. Read. Okay. No, just go.

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of happening. It happened. What would be like ironic is you're afraid of airplanes. Do you avoid them? One day you're walking down the street, an airplane crashes on you and kills you. That would be ironic, right? That would be more. I do.

There's irony there. Ironic. I think you can make a case for the songs that none of it is ironic. It's just like shitty things. It's just like, you know, the shitty thing could happen and then it did. That's not really ironic.

But I would like for a Masonomics historian to let us know if we've already had this exact conversation before, because I think we might have. It would not surprise me. The one I wonder and and also maybe this takes a linguistics expert to really know the details of this but the 10 000 spoons when all you need is a knife what's that that's in the song oh it is yeah it's like 10 000

spoons when all you need is a knife it's a free ride when you've already paid some good advice that you just didn't take see i don't Some good advice that you just didn't take. See, I don't know if it's good enough at all. Good advice that you just didn't take. That's not ironic. You did the wrong thing. A free ride when you've already paid. I don't think that's ironic.

The one that I always wonder about is 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife. Just because of the number of spoons, it's like, damn, I've got 10,000 spoons. It's excessive. But I still don't know if that's ironic by definition or not. Someone probably knows that. Wow.

It's just be like, why do you have 10,000 spoons? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Well, now that we got to the bottom of irony, Tanner. Yes. And Alanis Morissette. Tanner, did you do some golfing this past week? Did a little golfing, boys. I'm curious how your golfing excursion went. i went to the premier golf uh location probably go to the most exclusive club

yes i did go to and for anyone that's into golfing at sutton bay you might even know about it if you're really into golfing you probably do know about it uh it's a big deal apparently i didn't know that much about it before i went on a business trip otherwise it's not something i would certainly not something i would have short forked out the cash or even been allowed to go. Yeah, actually that's actually true. You know,

I couldn't have actually gone. Uh, it was extremely fancy. It wasn't extremely, there was no doubt about that. No, like, uh,

just exceptionally fancy. Even as far as golf courses go. Uh huh. And, um, it, I golfed, just exceptionally fancy, even as far as golf courses go. And it, I golfed 36 holes. Were you sore from it? No, I just realized that I would have no ambition to go golfing again anytime soon.

I'm like, that is not my hobby. Like I have golf clubs and I've, I probably went golfing 25 times you know something like that maybe even a little more but not uh in the last 10 years i've gone three times probably yep and this is my first time in at least five years going and um i just don't like it that much and it's not really about my skill level even when i hit good shots and actually golfing about nine holes is nine holes is for sure my My max that I would ever want to go most casual people. Nine holes is the limit.

18 holes is straight up. Gets to be extremely on fun for me where I'm like, this sucks. I want to get out of here. This is not fun. Like I'm spending hours out here and I'm like, get me away from here. I would like to do anything else,

but this right now, I was into golfing. Like it was like, you get the whole like five, six, you're like, Oh, we're almost done. Okay. And then you whole like five six you're like oh we're almost

done okay and then you got to nine you're like oh i'm glad that's over yeah and it used to be oh there's nine more well all right i guess i'll just quit having fun the rest of the day and now now 18 it's like all right 18 it's done already like it is definitely one of those things you gotta you gotta get used to yeah it just it's just for sure not the thing for me i don't think it's not that fun for me it's just um it's just not that fun i don't there's days it's not that fun for me either yeah and uh even when i hit good good shots and stuff like on hole one and two yeah it was fun but that's just my biggest thing like after a few i'm like oh i don't care like let's just wrap it up and then like go like, I'm like, Oh, I don't care. Like, let's just wrap it up. And then like, like,

I don't like there's people in front of you that are going slow. There's people in bat behind you that are waiting for you. That will kill a day. Yeah. When the pacing's all messed up. Yeah. I don't like that. And I don't really like,

this was an extreme example, but I don't like how snooty a lot of the people are. And like this course, of course, but I've been on a public golf courses here in aberdeen south dakota that i'm like uh you're not that cool you're here yeah i'm like you're just golfing and you're maybe like a little better than some of the other people here and in the grand scheme you're still probably not that good yeah i'm like no one's really that good that's what i did pick

up on that because i golf with quite a few people that actually golf a lot. I'm like, the difference between you and I is like, I'm hitting a good shot every third time and you're hitting a good shot every other time, you know, like two out of three times. That's where you learn in a hurry. That athleticism like carries across all things because you see some people just don't have it at all. Like some people can hit the ball, but man, it looks uncomfortable and you don't have it right right some people can hit the ball but man it looks uncomfortable and you don't know how yeah it's like i guess just 30 or 40 years of terrible swings are now ingrained into your body so right you can do that because that looks like work doing whatever you're doing over there yeah uh but they're certain like that's a hard game there's no doubt about that too like

you would very technical yeah that's for sure yeah Yeah. But I guess I did like getting to go because it's like, yeah, I got to go on the super fan. It's rated like nationally and like all of golf courses. And I think most of the member, a lot of the members there aren't not, are not from South Dakota. That's makes sense.

You know, I mean, it doesn't make sense, but at the same time it does because yeah, in the middle of South Dakota, there's also not really a market for that but um did you also mention you got some massages tanner did that i didn't end up doing that because i went golfing more okay just because i was curious if you can tell how much i was loving the golf i was like i'll just golf some more i could have the timing was just weird and i'm like i'm gonna be like

borderline late for supper and uh but we were on this resort. The food was exquisite, exquisite. Also like where the portions. Okay. Too. That's usually what you know. It's like you,

do you want quality or portion? No, it was both. It was like, we had like a variety of way that we were, I mean, this place was very fancy. Like there'd be the place you'd go out to eat one meal for supper,

like on a date and you'd be like, well, that was cool. I'm glad we came here. I'm glad we crossed that one off the list. Certainly not coming back here like soon because maybe like next year we'll come here and eat again because I don't want to drop hundreds of dollars on a meal.

And it's like that for every meal and good portions and stuff too. So, and like some of them were served like family style but in a very extremely fancy family style there's a fancy way of doing family style they figured it out yeah impressive yeah so it was cool it was cool very cool but i i did like the golfing just to get to say that i did it there but it's like yeah if i'm talking to someone that's really interesting interested in golf i can say yeah but have you the other thing though like the rough there's no trees there whatsoever the fairway and greens of course very nice also not we know by this point i'm not an avid golfer

but the golf course i'm like it's a golf course like i don't know what makes this one better than any other one uh but the interesting part the rough is all knee-high prairie grass and there's a lot of rattlesnakes there really yes like they killed like a four-foot rattlesnake while we're there and like when we were on the patio and stuff there was a couple bull snakes that came like okay so large bull snakes that came that would like no ruin it for when the balls go in the grass you don't go get them oh because there are rattlesnakes in there that would that would like like almost be a daybreaker and the carts are really nice they all have like digital screens and stuff and like when you're going by certain areas it'll say like caution rattlesnakes like don't go like the rattlesnake

x-scene side yeah yes damn yeah i don't like that they killed a Like the rattlesnake X-ing side. Yeah. Yes. Damn. Yeah. I don't like that. They killed a real big one when we were there too. And I'm like, cause the first round I was going to some people and they're kind of going in the grass in the rough. Also you don't have to hit it on the, so there it's like, I lost a lot of balls because you don't hit it in the fairway.

It's in the rattlesnakes. Yeah. Right. Right. So that one's, and it's not like we're just in the trees where you're like, I'll go grab it quick and kick it out here. You know, like oh no that's in that's the snakes yeah it's in a pile of rattlesnake eggs yeah that's enough about my golf game well we are very educated on that now tanner um

we're in a real in between time as far as ads go we're gonna read an ad right now because i don't want to actually you know what before i read that ad this is not what's in the can but we do need a can because we've been talking so much we got a thirsty it's a very fresh lemony beverage and i do have to say i've had multiple people in like the last two weeks message me some what look like delicious looking cans and ones that i would love to surprise you with Tanner, but we can't get them. I've done some research and I can't seem to round them up. Are they regional? Well,

for the most part, I believe what they're showing me, they all to me look like national brands or brands I'm familiar with, but we just don't always have the biggest. So maybe they can't, we can't, they can't source those essences locally in order to get us those flavors. Maybe there's,

there's an essence shortage. Maybe it's the season. Our season is an in season over here. True. So I might have to start Venmoing some people, some money to get these special deliveries. I had a note in there about Otani. Let's get to that.

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Okay. All right, Tanner, you had some athleticism that we needed to note. Baseball is a sport that I would almost maybe. I believe, Tanner, on this podcast, you've even talked bad about baseball. Yeah, that's what I would say. So that's how you know this is so interesting that i'm even like uh think it's worth mentioning and it is actually interesting this otani i'm sure you're i think most people at this point if you're into actually never heard of him until three days ago okay so he did he's in the home run derby here recently so i've been kind

of following it a little bit this year just because this guy kind of like blows my mind. So anyways, he's a pitcher. I guess you can't really be boxed into that, but he is a pitcher, and he is also leading the league in home runs. And he's like third in RBIs, and I think he's batting like 270-something. And he just did the home run derby, I think, last night. And I think maybe he's got like 13 starts, and he's 4-1, something like that. But a low ERA, too.

So he's pitching really well. You could say he brought the complete package with him. Yeah, he's pitching really well. So I think he plays for the Angels, American League. So I believe when he's not pitching, he's the DH. So that's why he's getting to bat. And I don't actually know what the – if you're into baseball, you'd know this for sure.

But in the American League, if someone's a pitcher and you want them to bat, do you just not have a designated hitter? I never know how that goes and the reason no one would know that or you wouldn't know that unless you're really into baseball is because no one doesn't hasn't come up in like ever since the advent of the designated hitter because the pitcher is never better than whoever you could have at just going in and hitting so that's the crazy thing if you don't know about baseball, that the dude pitches and is good at it and is like one of the big power hitters in baseball that has,

I don't know. I don't know baseball super well. I don't think that's happened since Babe Ruth. I was going to say my, my, it hasn't happened for 100 years. My friend that is a huge baseball fan said, ah,

modern day Babe Ruth. And I said, Oh, Babe Ruth did that. Cause I didn't know that either. Cause I don't pay attention to baseball. Babe Ruth was originally a pitcher. Yeah.

Shows my level of baseball intellect. It's pretty wild. He was in the home run derby last night. He didn't win, but I think he set the record for most balls hit like 500 feet or something. He hit one in warmups that almost like went over the top of the stadium. Like he crushes the ball. And he's not like a huge guy either, is he? I think he's decent sized, but not, you know, he's not,

I don't know what his, you know, he didn't look small, but I think he throws in the 90s, you know, low 90s, which for today's baseball I don't think is super fast, but it's probably fast enough with maybe some good other stuff or control that he can pitch well with it but it's it's pretty insane like it doesn't happen i mean i think it kind of is the first time in 100 years that there's been someone like this and the game is considerably different yeah right right and the sample size isn't very big yet so i said you know it's like

maybe people figure him out and then he's like all of a sudden easy to strike out you know i think when there's some something about baseball when you first come in maybe people don't have the beat on you yet so well that's because he's been around like three years hasn't he but there's been some injury or yeah i think something and i don't know uh a lot but it just stuck out to me as pretty insane because it's it's like it's hard to compare it to a sport like football because football requires so much like uh also just like cardiovascular but it's like if you're one of the best quarterbacks in the league and you're also an uh pro bowl free safety like that wouldn't happen yeah like with the specialization of the sport it's like it is

laughable but i think we don't we don't know baseball as well but i think it's equally as laughable to be like oh yeah he's one of the better pitchers and he's also like the best home run hitter it'd be like what no that doesn't happen yeah yeah they messed up that stat yeah right that's not right so that's our baseball news for the next five years yeah i wasn't aware of this guy until this weekend and uh this has been the first thing in many many years that's made me think i should i should check out a baseball game i agree that is the first thing i can sense like barry bonds that i've thought uh oh baseball that's interesting outside of being like hey we're gonna make a trip to go to the cities and watch the twins play so i can drink a bunch of

beer well i think going to a the baseball is the sideshow though at that yeah right right i think going to baseball stadiums is really fun and cool. Any pro stadiums. Exactly. All right, Tanner, we were recently featured in Western Northeast South Dakota's premier newspaper. Much appraised. Would you say premier and only?

Yes, maybe I would say that part too. You don't have to add that though yeah we'll leave that part out but um the rave reviews are in and people love our article so yeah we uh this is something that the newspaper asked us if we if they wanted if they could do a little article on us and we said hell yeah hells yeah we can do a little article on it you mean sit around and talk about mastodomics we can't do that article on that. You mean sit around and talk about Mastodonomics? We can't do that. And I believe originally it was, oh, we can talk about your podcast. It's like, oh, no, no, no, there's way more to talk about here.

And it was funny because I don't regularly talk to the paper. I don't think you do either, Tanner. Definitely do not. And so we met the reporter at a coffee shop, and he basically set his recorder down and asked us one question. And we probably talked for 35 minutes. He asked us one more question. We probably talked another 30 minutes and he probably asked us three more quick questions.

And then he said, all right, thanks, guys. And at that point, we had talked for an hour and 20 minutes, probably. And the guy asked five questions. And then I'm just thinking in my head head good luck getting all that back on paper and it ended up being a pretty large uh newspaper article i think that was like a full page it felt like that was like oh the first 10 minutes of what we talked about because we talked about so much it's like oh explain masanabe he's like where to start do you want the last year do you want the whole story do you want uh the the way it's evolved like what there's so much

and i think he did you know it's a very hard thing to put into a little newspaper story i would hate to have that job yeah that would would not be a fun thing to try and condense the masonomic story so what was it big trent was that big trend yeah big trent uh and we had a nice big pic couple big pictures in there we had a couple big photos half page photo next to the uh yeah we were in the community business section yeah i liked uh i believe mr chris hornick said why didn't they put you guys next to the investing section but i did say they put us in the lottery section so you know it's all good there but yeah it was fun getting to talk about it i had uh i had a few people compliment me on the article before i actually i we were told it was fun getting to talk about it i had uh i had a few people compliment me on

the article before i actually i we were told it was gonna be on friday yeah and so i didn't know for sure if that would happen i don't know how deadlines get pushed around or whatever but it was friday morning i did not have the paper and i had several people uh either message me or i saw a few people in person that said nice article so i knew it was out there and it's cool let a few people a few more people find out about it. Yeah, it was good. And the best part is we really got to stick it to Aberdeen Magazine.

It is really funny when people still make the memes about that. Like, dude, it's hilarious because people are holding the grudge better than we ever could. And it's the whole people never forget thing, and they won't let it die, which is absolutely hilarious. It's always fun to think what Aberdeen Magazine is thinking

when they get all these tags from these random people on Instagram. Yeah, why are we getting tags? Oh, our social media account's very active all of a sudden. What's going on here? What is this stuff? Yeah, other highlights of the article. The guy did get the story mostly right so he did a pretty good job writing it the part that i really did enjoy was him trying to explain what

a meme was which he probably did actually give the definition of what a meme was i would guess um but if you don't know what a meme is the definition didn't help at all like it's like how i would explain a meme you know like when people have like those dumb pictures on the internet and there's words on them that's like that's what I would say and people would be like yeah I get what you're saying but I also don't get what that is either right right yeah like thinking like the audience the typical audience that's reading the newspaper like oh yeah when you got to assume like the average subscriber is maybe 45 like maybe that's probably. Yeah. Yeah. If not in the fifties. Yeah.

All right. It's a business that has me, me's they're on, they're on Instagram and they have a podcast. They're like, every old person has to assume, well, this isn't a business.

This is all make, but also like, what are those words? You just said, none of those words are actually English. Yeah. They're not in the dictionary. I don't know what they're talking about. This whole's pretend yes but it was cool yeah we're famous now

we're famous tanner also this week uh we were just talking about this before the show the there's been some some activity on the massonomics instagram page that's i've really enjoyed lately and i'm trying to think of where I could really say. Okay, I don't know if we, did we mention this last week, the Snatch and Snacks? I don't think so. I don't think we brought that up.

That's worth mentioning. This one was really good from July 5th. Big Nate. Big Nate put this together, and it's Tanner and Tommy, I want an at Snatch and Snacks commissioned video. The Mastanomics interns say, no, we have at Snatch and Snacks commissioned video at home. And then it's the at Snatch and Snacks commissioned video at home.

And it's Tanner, it's you deadlifting with just cutouts of LaCroix cans over the deadlift bars. And that was absolutely hilarious. That was really good. Major props to Nate on that one. That was really well done. I liked that a lot. Your unpaid salary? Double it.

Triple it. It's going up. And then we were also mentioning the Dom. What did he say his last name? Toretto's. Dom Toretto's family. The strongest things in the world. Julius Maddox's bench press.

Half Thor's deadlift. Dom Toretto's family, the strongest things in the world. Julius Maddox's bench press, Half Thor's deadlift, Dom Toretto's family. And how some people actually kind of sort of took it seriously. Well, that people were getting caught up in the actual numbers. Whether like, no, Half Thor's deadlift isn't the best. Eddie's is the best. And it's like, the third thing on the meme is Dom Toretto's family. We're in imagination land over here and you're worried about the the particulars of whose one kilogram dead difference

deadlift is a little bit better i'm like the that is the epitome of missing the point yes it is but there were some really funny comments in there like yeah you ever wonder why you never see them in a fight at the olive garden because when when you're there, the different units in this room are really bothering you. But it is. And I thought about that when I made it, you know, because Thor's deadlift is listed in kilograms and Julius is listed in pounds. But when people talk about Thor's deadlift, everyone says 501 kilograms. It is 501.

If people are talking, at least in the United States about Julius Maddox bench, they're going to say it in pounds. Like that's just the common, that's just how those records are. Yes. How those records are set. God, I'm just looking back through again.

It is really funny. The number of people that are making a point of discussing the actual records in this meme. Yeah. Yeah. It's so stupid. Yes. Wow.

It's like, that's the thing that's like someone was just like so pent up with anger about records and they were just waiting for the opportunity to discuss them and you gave them that opportunity tanner i'm like um what about the joke part of it the reason that it's it exists like they said not today buddy think again they're worried about the one kilogram deadlift difference in thor and eddie but dom turtle's family now that's fine well we all know that there's nothing to discuss there yeah jenner we're also not quite um nba finals are still going on are your picks staying the same yeah i the bucks won pretty good in game three, right? And they were back at home.

Boy, Giannis is pretty wild. Like, it's pretty insane. Like, he can have the ball on a fast break and get the ball at, like, half court and take, like, two steps and dunk it. That's what I was going to say. How are you at the hoop? The ground he covers, like, once he's at the three-point line, it's like, I think it's one step.

When he's at the three-point line, it's like I think it's one step. When he's at the three-point line, he's a split second from a layup. It's like if he has the ball with momentum at the free throw line, there's no way he doesn't get a layup. It's really weird because your brain watches it. It's like something didn't quite go right there. It takes me like six steps to get to the... Did he dive?

But he didn't dive, so how did he cover that ground? That doesn't make any sense. It's crazy when you watch it. It's like that is why he's a freak though like that's why he's so fast and quick too it's like it just doesn't make sense that that guy can be that quick because i'm like also that's the thing that i love when people complain about the nba oh no one plays defense like what do you play defense on that like what do you do where you're not just gonna that's i don't think anyone can i don't think that do you do where you're not just going to... I don't think anyone can... I don't think that's defendable.

Where you're not going to just want to either just straight up foul every time or just let him blow... Like, what do you do? I don't understand that part. But that's the thing where, like, so he's scoring two points every time he does that, whereas Steph Curry, if he makes, you know, 50% of his three-pointers

and it's worth, you know, 50% more for each field goal. It starts to be like, that's kind of almost the conundrum in the NBA at this point and like why it becomes, I think the analytics point so much to the three-point shot. But just like from a physical, like insane, like it almost doesn't make sense

if you slow it down and watch, you're like, how did it get there? Because I've stepped on a basketball court before. It a lot of portions are off here it takes many steps to go from the three-point line to the to a layup well for the rest of us yes right right for for us normies so this was our sports episode tommy we covered golf i know, and now basketball. Real guy's guy episode. You know what else we're going to cover in this episode? Hopefully some ads. An ad.

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Well, let's do it. Without more further ado, or do we need to talk any other sports? We didn't cover boxing this time. We can discuss the other sports at the end of the episode. We can talk about the McGregor fight at the end of the episode.

There you go. We're kind of missing that, aren't we? I saw a highlight on Instagram, so I'm kind of an expert on that one too. Yeah. Hello? Hey, Mike, you're live on the Masonomics podcast with Tanner and Tommy. What's up, Mike? What's up, guys?

We're excited to get you on here. I'm not sure how familiar you are with Masonomics or not. I'm going to assume you're not all that familiar, so I'll just tell you. We're going to have a few questions for you and probably kind of try to have a little bit of a silly goose time. And our goal is to, at the end of this, maybe you say to yourself, well, those guys asked me a couple of questions that I haven't been asked in a podcast interview before. Well, you know, I really don't like where this is going. I'm not a silly goose. I hate geese. I hate silliness.

I hate the combination. So this is going to be terrible. Good. We got a challenge on our hands. Yes, we got a challenge. How many podcasts would you say that, would you estimate that you've been on as a guest? You know, over 50?

Yeah. That's not appearances. That's actual unique podcasts. Yeah, I think that's all of them, over 50. Yeah. That's not appearances. That's actual unique podcasts. Yeah, I think that's all of them, that means. I did notice, though, that you've been a guest on a lot of podcasts. You're like one of the go-to guys. Like, if you've got a podcast,

you need to get Big Mike on as a guest, I think. You know, and I'm easy. I'm really easy. And I don't just mean podcasts. I mean, in many other ways, fill in the blanks. Utilize that in whatever way you see fit. Oh, yes. Fit is the operative term.

Yes. So with Renaissance Periodization, are you a co-founder? Is that your right title there? Correct. Or one of your titles? Okay how long have you has that been around then i mean you know you were there at the beginning apparently when you found it so that's what my psychiatrist tells me um you know i think we started in like 20 don't quote me hello 2013 i think or something like that so it must be like pushing the eight-year mark at some point. My co-founder, Mr. Nick Shaw, he would know for sure.

But like eight years or something. Okay. And I think we were kind of talking about it earlier, Tommy, and I certainly recognized as one of the premier nutrition coaching outlets in all of the sports that we're familiar with. Is that, that's correct, right? Well, I don't know if that's for you guys to say and me to fake politeness and say, well, that's for you guys to say. But we weren't talking though, and it's like, it feels like if you want nutrition coaching,

there is, I don't know, a million places to look, but Renaissance is one of those names that would actually come to mind as being a brand like if you want nutrition coaching there is i don't know a million places to look but renaissance is one of those names that would actually come to mind as being a brand that you at least recognize in a super crowded space so you guys have done something right there well thanks so much yeah i think uh all those million places i've been on all of their podcasts at least one time right right thank you yeah we are definitely trying to do our best one hurdle that I wonder if you probably don't know any hard statistics on this but of your average consumer or average audience how many of them do you think what percentage

of them know how to spell renaissance you know maybe negative like there are some people who spell it so wrong that it counts again. That's one of those words that I, if I go to type it into my phone, I start typing it knowing that I'm going to be relying on my phone to tell me how to spell it correctly. And that's one of those ones I could not get close enough that like where, where I have to feel the shame of knowing like, wow, I couldn't get close enough for it even to know what i wanted like we don't know what you're saying here's like you know i remember taking uh before i went to grad school i took the the graduate record exam the gre and there you have to do like a it's an all computer based and you have to write an essay

but i think an essay on a technical subject kind of an esoteric technical subject. And there's no spell check. So I was like about to use this one. Like on purpose there's no spell check? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're trying to see how big your intellect balls are. Preparing for the real world with no spell check? Right.

So it's a little bit austere. But I will say that austere is a perfect example of a word i'm perfectly perfectly happy verbalizing and absolutely would never try to write because you would start with oh is there a is there you in there somewhere yeah don't ask me what does it even mean i don't know well that's that's kind of another slightly leads into an another um topic of discussion we had here mike it to us it always seems like it it comes across that you have a very specific um i would say dialect maybe or like cadence of speaking yeah an enunciation of words and like a cadence of uh

the way you speak are you aware of that or is that just something we're making up as we're we're sitting here today you guys are lying we're just a couple a couple of simple midwestern boys over here so yeah so i would say my my i'm very hyper aware of it. And I would say it sort of oscillates between three polarities. One, it's all people I've listened to a whole lot. Economist Brian Kaplan, economist Thomas Sowell, general, I'd say neuroscientist, but he's more than that, Steven Pinker. I would say those are kind of the three core folks that i've listened to so much that i end up auto emulating and some weird combination where sometimes i sound more like one versus the other and then i think like genetically just because i'm a jew i end up just sounding like ben shapiro anyway so if you like you know witches brew all

that shit with a fucking crocodile eye and shit that's like basically me so okay that's quite the that's quite the pool of people though the one that i wrote down one that you didn't mention i'm curious if you uh maybe you wouldn't know the name if i say it but if you looked him up you'd recognize the actor but um oh gosh what is what now why did i just forget you you better you better remember this is gonna be awkward james spader are you familiar with james spader at all he has a very um particular way of talking also and you might not know it but like even once we get off of here look him up and uh you'll recognize him and i don't know yeah i might be getting off to james spader later um you know is he like a 90s actor?

Wasn't he on Frasier? Wasn't that what? Well, and he was on like The Office for a while. I don't know what his like key roles are. Kind of like permanent, like secondary character. Great. You guys are really selling this asshole. Great.

I sound like a secondary guy. Maybe Frasier. The biggest compliment i've ever been rendered i don't know if he was in frazier but i really feel like he could have been in frazier now he's like associated with frazier somehow that's like anyone was like oh he's actually in seinfeld you're like right seinfeld frazier of the 90s that comes about nothing maybe that's what it was honestly maybe it was seinfeld yeah yeah okay so Seinfeld. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so, Mike, you're originally from Moscow, is that right? Yeah.

Could you explain that? Most people we talk to aren't originally from Moscow and you sound very not Moscow. More like you'd be in the 90s. Sitcoms versus Moscow. Well, you see, Moscow is this other city.

And it could surprise you, but there's all kinds of cities, and the world's pretty big. Some people are from other cities. So I was seven years old when my family came to America. And when you come when you're that young, generally you tend to your your accent completely recedes and you you blend in oh i would make you stupid americans think while i always in contact with the kgb you're kind of ruining a little thing i wanted to ask you about oh no i'm sorry okay pretend it insane okay dial it back yeah yeah that's unfortunately that's really the entirety of the story um you know hilariously enough like if i was a little like mini kgb agent like uh we we showed up in like june of 1991 to

america and then communism collapsed like several months after so they're like all right await instructions i like watch the tv and communism collapsed like shit i guess i'm not getting instructions i just lost my job so i just decided I'm not going to be a child spy. I'll be just a regular teenager. Ta-da, sitcom starring Kevin Spader. That's what you want us to believe. It's all lies all the way down, man. Everything is a deception.

Even that, what I just said. Yes, I like that. I do have some real-time follow-up for us though that james spader was in both an episode of fraser and seinfeld so he's really he really did have the 90s if he was in friends wow really like he might be i didn't look that far ahead he actually looks more like ross from friends have you guys ever seen that meme where it's nicholas cage's face superimposed on Ross from France? He actually looks more like Ross than Ross does.

You can't unsee it. No, but I do like that. And you do have an affinity for memes. You post many good memes. There's a lot of accounts that post good memes and stuff. But what I love seeing is people that are in this space that are very intellectual and educated but then also still laughing at a silly meme like i think there's a uh you know there's something to being able to to appreciate both sides of the coin you know i'll tell you guys straight up so first of all i just i have to post shit that i think is really funny

i'm not going to not post it. And also people make such funny shit. I want to give them credit. Like there's this guy and like, I think Vancouver, Canada is like his account is physical means. Why doesn't he have a million followers? And I'm like trying my goddamn best to just give him as many followers as possible because it's fucking hilarious.

I'm sorry. I'm allowed to swear, right? Okay, sweet. That's a bit awkward if you said that really um but uh but like it's not that i'm trying oh i'll post a meme to get more likes i don't give a shit about likes and mostly about memes but like let's find shit that's funny the thing is my friends are all like real huge pieces of

shit so most of the memes that i get sent i cannot post and still have renaissance periodization because there's a company the next day so yeah that physical meat what is it again what's the tag of that physical uh you do repost them quite a bit but yeah they are they are really funny it's it's a really good concept they have yeah physical memes they just post like basically like wanted ads for people randomly that don't exist. It's amazing. It's high level satire. Yeah. It's really good.

Yes, it is really good. We do want to ask you a couple of nutrition questions. We've got a couple of particular things notched out here that we want to talk to you about. But other than that, I was also thinking we were talking about maximal recoverable volume. Oh God. I feel like maybe you're

familiar with the term yeah you know the horse that we used to beat is like decomposed by this point it's just like a smudge in the ground well so we had uh my coach mike t uh mike to sheer on a few weeks ago and of course we had to talk to him about rpe obviously and i had a question for him if if he uses rpe if he ever relates that to things in just his regular life outside of training uh you know like the good example is going to take a shit how was it well you know was it a 10 um you don't want to do a test right that's not good for anyone right and what that's like morpheus morpheus getting interrogated in the first matrix type of shit right what everything is really wet it's like all these people around you your eyes are rolled in the back of your head you're not really sure what's real and what's not you can hear a helicopter there's gunfire in the distance so sunday morning can you use maximal recover

recoverable volume in in a similar way where uh do you ever is that relatable to other things outside of uh training purposes god yes let's just take a a not so controversial example of masturbation you know know, right. Ideally you want to be jacking off all the time, but it turns out your body is made of physical tissues that have to recover. And there's a certain volume after which first a little bit of pain is kind of hot and then it's only pain. And then the doctor really shames you for why are you here with a broken dick?

You know, there's not just an unsatiable spirit in here. There is flesh and bone. The flesh is weak after all. It's like you go to the emergency room and they have to draw you a diagram of like, typically people jack off and they're right here. What you're doing is right above this red

line. Dick MRV. Not a good idea. That's a good example for contrasting the mrv versus the minimum uh minimum effective dose then right oh yeah yeah that's a yo the minimum effective so minimum effective volume of masturbation is really pretty classic we're just gonna assume for the purpose of example like i assume most of your viewers are not getting laid regularly with something adult so no no i'll just say that nonsense so uh you know you're getting a lot of hate mail for this

one but in any case um at some point uh you you know how do i put this best there's a certain amount of jacking off you have to do to just be a part of the world because you know if you haven't hit it in a while so to speak things can be yeah things can get weird yeah it's strange you find things attractive that you don't even understand and you know you're uncomfortable you can't sleep anymore who knows out-of-body experiences all of a sudden you're like, you know, you're like, uh, Morpheus from the matrix, except you're not taking a dump. And kind of relating that back to training.

There seems there, like when I'm at a power lifting meet, this is a joke that comes up. Or when we were talking about training with people, there's a lot of people that have an opinion of whether, uh, holding back your semen can either be beneficial or detrimental to athletic performance in general. Is there any truth

to either of that in either direction? So the research on it I would say is a combination of inconclusive and incredibly poorly conducted. A lot of it is based on self-report which I'd like to get in there and help with some of that research. Let's make sure you're not doing it or make sure you are doing it.

So, you know, nurse-assisted. But in any case, the research is rather inconclusive as far as I've, you know, recreationally taken a look at it every day. But I think that the sum total of the consensus is like you got to do what does a combination of two things. One doesn't make you so irritable and so kind of alert that you lose sleep, literal, actual sleep coming up before a meet. And also something that lets you have a little bit of that shit down there on the tank. You know, if I haven't hit it for a few days, I'm grabbing something that's going to be a barbell. That's fine usually i would prefer it be my own cock but you know a barbell is way way wider and thicker way harder for sure but still it's something for me to grab and plug on

right yeah so but like on a serious note you know yeah if you if you're skipping three days of you know wanking the old pole gets you really really gnarly then fucking do yeah, if you, if you don't skip in three days of, you know, wanking the old pole gets you're really, really gnarly, then fucking do it. But if you like, you know, it's like the Thursday before the Saturday meet and you're like awake at three in the morning, you're like, I'm either jacking off or never going to sleep again. Like it's probably time to hit it. So, uh, even, even I get sometimes, sometimes a little surprised what direction we go with these things, Tanner. Yep. Yeah. I don't know if I'd call this a direction, more like a fract things, Tanner. Yep. Yeah. I don't know if I'd call this

a direction more like a fractal, like an explosion. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Yes. This is probably a too general of a question, but you've maybe been asked something similar before. So you might have a, have a answer for this. We, we have a lot of people that are into powerlifting that listen to us i'd say predominantly uh some strong man that sort of thing is there one nutrition uh mistake or um a super common mistake i guess amongst the power lifting crowd as it relates to nutrition that you see most commonly yeah there's power lifters eating like four and five hundred grams of protein per day because you're basically copying bodybuilders.

And I remember seeing an article on Jesus. This dates my dumb old ass a lot, but it was like Powerlifting USA magazine, which I assume you need a fucking time machine now to go read. But I hope. But there was an article like one of the guys who was programming nutrition for a lot of the top equipped powerlifters, you know, by the way, as you probably remember, we're doing very little volume anyway. And he's like, you know, he's got 250 pound guys eating 450 grams of protein a day. And I'm just like, and he's like, it's for recovery. And I'm like, recovery of what you do three fucking hour, right? Like you're like tendon recovery. There's just like, so I would say if you're a powerlter, especially in under any circumstances, you're eating more than a gram per pound of protein per day. Sure.

You can eat it. It's not unsafe, but like you can make your life a lot more fun by eating more carbohydrates and fats and just stick to a gram per pound, even a bit less of protein. And also you don't have to, you know, like have really,

really interesting shits. There's that whole bathroom thing. Oh, that gets a little easier. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that makes a lot of sense. Okay.

Mike, we're from, we always, we always explain it as Western Northeast, South Dakota. That's where we're located. And we're in the corner of South Dakota, close to Minnesota and close to North Dakota. So Western Northeast, South Dakota. If you go around the compass, start, start at. So western, northeast, South Dakota. If you go around the compass, start at west, go around, end with South Dakota. That's where we're at. We're big. We're on the western edge of the Corn Belt.

Agriculture is very big where we're at. It's the primary industry that almost at least indirectly drives almost everything, at least from our small communities here uh corn and and soybeans are the primary crops along with this is like the anomics part of a podcast right yeah by the way just for record we almost never get to the enomics part we're almost 300 episodes in and we're still trying to get that only yeah just for just for record only if you live in a dog shit place like north dakota do you have to specify where you're like oh but it's a really good part like no it's not

we never used the word good we just said no no we just specify yeah yeah it's not even necessarily uh good it's just a part yeah north dakota doesn't have good and bad. What we're getting to is we've had a discussion earlier about GMO or organic. It's almost a nationwide hot button issue at times. we have states here that operate under commercial agriculture that do not far or that do utilize GMO practices and non-organic practices heavily and rely on that. And it's kind of what makes our industry go around and kind of what I would believe makes it.

So there's enough of these of corn and soybeans to go to the yeah to in the world to go to the next part of the food chain and go down the line but anyways we're just wondering from a nutrition point I don't we don't really know I don't know if you have a have spoken on this much or have a big background in this but just wondering nutritionally is there a reason that people are worried about consuming uh products that are deemed gmo like i mean is there nutritional reasons that people shouldn't be eating those no okay okay that's kind of what i'm yes there is a good sociological reason you want to make sure other people think you're a fucking hoity-toity and you're fucking better than everyone and you're wealthy and pure

and uh like it's just it's nonsense no one has ever arrived at thinking gmos or i was going to say inorganic foods that they mean they lack carbon which is a bit of a stretch you know foods that are not labeled organic right the idea that the bad for health no one's ever arrived to that based purely on literature any kind of inferential understanding it's purely emotive i honestly think humans are just genetically prone to commit the uh argument from nature fallacy or the naturalistic fallacy which is you know natural good artificial bad yeah um this is a thing that's pretty common and it's it's it's kind of like um you know ethnocentrism or xenophobia i think most people are kind of born being like a little bit of like my team's better than the other team and they look different talk different has to be worse

and you know they get sort of like educated out of that living in a normal place like america like you know everyone's cool judge people who they out of that after living in a normal place like America. Like, you know, everyone's cool. Judge people for who they are. And I think the same thing should be done from a perspective of the naturalistic fallacy. It's like actually not true to say the artificial things are bad. Natural things are necessarily good. You have to go claim by claim. And look, natural foods are a lot going for them.

But genetically modified foods are just accelerating in their development to the point where it's just going to be superior in almost every way to natural food i mean if you're really really looking for natural foods you have to go before artificial selection happened in agriculture and like what you would consider a grape today is like some piece of shit thing that starts as a and then it dies two days later yeah so anyone who's against gmos either some combination of hasn't thought it through or is just i would say a perfect example of emoting and confusing that for thinking. So I could be more polite, but I wouldn't be that on your podcast. So yeah,

no, I think that that's interesting. That's kind of, I mean, I'm not an expert in it by any means. I'm the opposite of an expert, but I guess that's always kind of been my feeling on it. I was interested to hear your take on that.

Sure. Sure. And I mean, the research on it is just crystal clear. I remember one time in roughly 2012, the Harvard School of Medicine posted or put out a comprehensive review of the literature. It was, I think, the first of its kind in which they were like, yes, organic food doesn't do anything except it has one reliable thing that it can confer. It's way higher in price.

The only thing for sure it can give you. It's higher in price. Our resource here is land. It's limited. It's finite. If you're choosing to produce something where you can produce a third as much, you're voluntarily saying, let's take this same acre of land and produce one third of the food off of it that we can.

Otherwise, it's super inefficient, right? Super. Worse for the environment. It is worse for the environment. It is because you're putting a lot of the same inputs into it. Three times as much fuel, three times as much everything to get that out. Right. Yeah.

It's, it's really a bad deal all around. It's one of those things. There's, there's, there's a few topics on which the majority of people you poll will be flat out wrong. And there's an almost consensus or total consensus on the experts.

And it just goes completely the other way. Like, so for example, you can pick a general topic like freedom. Yes, most people are like, is freedom good for the economy, for people? And they usually say like, yeah, freedom is great. So everyone is kind of aligned. But there's a couple of scientific topics, sort of in popular science, that the majority opinion in most countries around the world is just batshit fucking crazy and wrong.

Organic foods, GMOs, nuclear power. I mean, I think something like 50 of all americans think that a nuclear reactor meltdown is a nuclear explosion it's just like the batshit crazy ignorance you can also ask people like you know three mile island how did you know how much radiation was released and they're like well you know a shitload it's like it's a barely measurable amount the answer is barely measurable amount and it's the amount you would get like sunning on a fucking you know friday afternoon at the beach and it's like well something, you would get like sunning on a fucking, you know, Friday afternoon at the beach. And it's like, well, something else had to happen. Like, nope, you're just an idiot.

You've never looked this up. And you just, you know, again, emotion instead of logic. There's a couple of issues like that where people just sort of kind of know, quote unquote, deep in their hearts, the opposite of the truth. And thanks educational system, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting.

I can see the parallel with the nuclear power. That is a really good additional example. That one especially is a scary word for people. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. Nuclear is real bad. It's got radiation and three-eyed fish, and I've seen enough Simpsons episodes.

It's bad. That's all I need to know. Yes, yes. Tommy, should we play overrated, underrated? I think so. All right, Mike. I hate this fucking game. Sorry, go on overrated, underrated? I think so. I hate this fucking game. Sorry, go on. You're going to like it today, I think.

Today's different. This is different than all the other times we've done it. What you have to remember with ours is you have your druthers to elaborate as much or as little as you'd like on the answer, but at the end of it, you do have to come up with underrated, overrated. You cannot ride the line

on your answers. These are special Mike Israetel topics, all handpicked for you. Fuck. All right. If you're ready to play, we'll get started. Let's do it. Overrated or underrated? TED Talks. Overrated. Most TED Talks are

bullshit, and most most that's not comprehensive science it's like what sounds cool and i walk around and looking like steve jobs espouse vague vague feel-good generalities and get a million youtube views fuck them ted talks are dumb i've done a ted talk by the way which is like i know all that yeah so what is i've always wondered what is the actual qualifications needed for a TED Talk? Is it literally just like you volunteer and you can do it? Or is there a vetting process? Is there a vetting process?

I am inclined to believe there's some sort of, I wouldn't call it a vetting process. I think it's more like a selection process where I think there's some kind of committee or there's a bunch of regional ones and like a few big more like sort of central ones and i think the at whatever level you're doing a ted talk they kind of i think there's like a committee that sort of reaches out to people and has like kind of like a deck of people they'd want to talk and they may reach out to you and i think there's some ways to contact them to say hey like i'm i have things to say that are cool can i do a ted talk so like the way i got mine was actually one of the one of our co-coaches and one of the folks that helps on the company melissa davis she's a

renaissance prioritization she's actually a phd in neuroscience way more qualified than me to do a ted talk but i think one of her clients was part of this organizational committee situation and she was like hey like you know doing this ted talk thing i don't know how she phrased it exactly i think she might have already knew who i was but she's like you know is dr mike sort of interested and i think mel really pushed for me to be in it she was like yes he's fucking great and he can blab bullshit as much as the next ted talk guy jesus this is terrible that i'm saying this because i'm never getting invited on a fucking ted talk but it's all jokes all jokes everybody right for sure right who the fuck's

listening to us but um but in any case uh you know that was kind of like and then she was like hey do you want to do a ted talk and i'm like yeah of course you know like it's fucking a baller pr and you know to be honest like okay the whole thing ted talks are overrated is at least somewhat a joke like you can get a really really good message out to a pretty like solid number of people so that was an opportunity for me to talk about healthy eating it was really really good message out to a pretty like solid number of people so that was an opportunity for me to talk about healthy eating it was really really super cool i you know i don't think there's like some kind of really crazy vetting process like there's people that give ted talks that i think should be talking to a fucking wall and nothing else because their

message just fucking sucks and it's wrong but you know they get on there and blab their bullshit like if you're really passionate about something and you're remotely intelligent i'm pretty sure there's some chance that you get an up-to-date talk because there's been, like, low-carb people and zealots of various kinds. Especially if you have, like,

a really, um... You know what they like? A lot of these... It's not just Ted. It's just these kind of big talks in general. Someone who's really passionate, data-driven, and quirky.

They have, like, this weird quirky head that offers a place. Yeah, so there's got to be kind of eccentric, like, to be honest. Right, like, there's got to be some kind of little twist like oh did you know that by 2030 we'll all be riding bicycles like oh my god really like here's these cool multi-colored

graphs for your dumb ass bicycles going up and cars going down like brilliant oh that's so true okay is it just me though Or does it feel like for me, it felt like peak Ted talk was like, I don't know, early like 2010s to maybe 2015. Like I feel like I would always see those things popping around. And then now I, I don't know if it's just, everyone's like over them or tired of them. I'm aware that they still happen, but they just like never really pop up in my radar anymore. So, so I'll tell you, there's two hypotheses here.

I can think of at least. One, as TED Talks are under decline. Or two, your personal YouTube algorithm realized that you only really click on softcore anime porn and that's what all shows do now. You know, come to think of it, that is what makes a lot of sense. Interesting. That does make way more sense. Yeah, almost a painful amount of sense.

Other Masonomics viewers also watch the IF. All right, that's real good. Overrated or underrated? The triangle choke. Arm triangle or leg triangle? Leg. Can I say appropriately rated? No, you can't you can't um i god good god

i'll just i don't really mean this i don't mean any shit uh i would say i'm overrated because part of my game is being so thick and wide that i can pass through a triangle choke and it i love it when people try to triangle me unless they're really really technical and really tall and then they just zap my dumb ass and my whole game falls apart so i'll say marginally overrated but if you gave me the right guy i just like the worst player of all time okay that's good uh overrated or underrated the doctor prefix? I can't say how much more overrated it is. It gives you the most undue

expertise, the perception of expertise than anything else. The only way to do it better is to do the doctor one and do the suffix after. Dr. Mike Isertel, PhD. Shut the fuck up. One of those was enough. As a matter of fact, zero of those was enough.

If you want to write a quirky book about like the new only eggs diet you know dr mike isertel phd like okay this is a scam you gotta bookend it with the two with the with the letters right oh yeah all the letters as many letters as possible and i this is a very stupid question i'm sure many people know the answer to this but just thinking about it now like when and who uses the doctor prefix versus the phd at the end like i'm guessing somewhere there's rules to this or not yo fuck if i know man i mean in some context it's important for people to know what you are so for example like if you run a medical office like if you're a dds or whatever which is is like dentist, doctor of dentistry, you know, I don't want to show up to you with a broken leg. You're a doctor, right?

You're like, well, not that kind of doctor. I will say on that note, I've always wanted to be on a plane. Is there a doctor? Yeah. No, no. And I like show up. I run up and they're like, what's wrong with him? I'm like, I don't know, but I'll tell you what, he's not going to be good at sports if he keeps up laying on the ground like this.

What the fuck are you? I'm like i don't know but i'll tell you what he's not going to be good at sports if he keeps up laying on the ground like this what the fuck are you like all the sports physiologists sorry but like hilariously my wife's an actual doctor like you know the kind that can help you with medicine and i've been on a plane with her at least once when that happened and you know she sauntered on over it was like the fucking middle of the night and i was like baby wake up there's like a person dying or whatever and she's like all right so she walks over and i was like oh my god i was a huge fan of the whole moment i was like my wife's doing it and you know i'm fucking completely useless so do you need to be careful though like in today in uh like if you're is your malpractice insurance well right yeah yeah it'll be like someone's gonna be upset at you in the back end like yeah this doctor didn't do what

they're supposed to i'm like i was just the one doctor on the plane trying to help. That's right. You know, I think legally there's some like the Good Samaritan law, although I don't know if that applies in the sky or different nations. You know, if you're on your way to the United States. Yeah, it's pirate law. Yeah, it's pirate law. Yeah, if you're on your way to the UK and then you treat them on the second half of the Atlantic and they fucking die, you could just immediately off the plane,

they just take you straight to jail. Well, I think you have to call parlay and then uh i'm so glad you brought that up because i was just like driving a few days ago and i was thinking about how much i love the john wick pitch like the weird bullshit underworld where they're like well this is a different rule from regular war this is parlay i didn't know what that word means. I just want more of it. I want like a secret society underneath the secret society where like they don't do gold coins anymore. They do like purple coins.

It's crazy shit. It's like every movie is like a deeper wormhole into bullshit. I love it. Yeah. All right. Good stuff. Okay. Last overrated, underrated for you here.

This one's worth all the marbles. Overrated or underrated for you here this is uh this one's worth all the marbles overrated or underrated the russian smile underrated underrated because the russian smile is designed to illustrate one thing one thing only happiness is an illusion that russians are just not buying into happiness is a fake thing americans pretend they have russians know that the world and just life in general is about pain and the most you could muster is no expression at all which is the russian smile i think that's good very well put yeah are you a connoisseur of vodka at all just as long as i'm thinking of stereotypes have at it uh no i'm actually terrible at drinking it's fucking awful i drink like two times a year and i always regret it i always get like five drinks in and I just have a headache and I'm not even

buzzing. I'm like, fuck this. So vodka is like the shit that tastes the least bad and is mixed with the most shit. It was awful. Right. Cause I'm Russian.

Uh, it's just a terrible, but I'm even saying this, but it's true. I'm not a connoisseur of vodka. I can't tell you anything about it. I know nominally, no,

like gray goose is good. And you know, the shit that's made of plastic is bad. As far as my knowledge on vodka is concerned. I think even people that like vodka, I think that's the same level of knowledge they have too. Yeah.

They just drink more of it, more successfully. Good news, Mike. You passed overrated and underrated with flying colors, as a matter of fact. Thank God. This is harder than my TED talk. Yes. At least no one questioned me there.

That's true, I suppose. Well, you had those graphs and everything, I'm guessing. Oh, yes. It just silenced them. Nonsense. Nonsense graph. You did the bike thing. It didn't mean anything for your speech.

I'm using bikes in this graph. I had a bike as a prop. They're like, okay. Why is there a unicycle on there? I can't ride it. I'm not qualified to ride it. Mike, that kind of brings us towards the end of what we were hoping to talk to you about today.

Where do people if they want to pursue RP or anything else that you've got going on where the where does everyone need to find you and everything that you're doing well I think folks in your audience if I may take a take a gander at an assumption here yes I think they really

like that you know we have this picture book lots of softcore anime in it um but on a serious note the youtube channel i think was a good place to start so just try your best to type in renaissance periodization on youtube or just type in my last name which is also fucking impossible to spell jesus christ i don't i don't know how the fuck your viewers are supposed to find me you know everything about me is impossible to spell. But, you know, Mike is on YouTube,

and you'll find the Ransom Spiritization channel or, you know, RP, Ransom Spiritization, anything like that, and we produce a ton of videos. We have a little bit of fun, but it's mostly educational. And I think it's a really good start. And if you like what you see, click through the website, and there's all kinds of goodies on there. I'm on Instagram at RPDRMIKE, and then at RP Strength on Instagram is also a good place to there. I'm like, I'm on Instagram at R P D R M I K E.

And then at RP strength on Instagram is also a good place to go. I mean, that's it. Yeah. You got great content. I'll vouch for you. There's some, uh, there I was working on good mornings a few weeks, uh, months ago. I was just getting so annoyed with my good mornings. I was just like, these just are not ever feeling like how I think they should feel. Like I'm not getting out of it what I believe you're supposed to get out of doing a proper good morning and I you had a great video out there on you know I don't know it's 10 minutes long maybe on good mornings I watched it and I immediately felt a lot a lot better about what I was doing when I was doing good mornings and that's just one example thank you so much my counter to that I usually like when I'm endorsed

I like to counter it to be a piece of shit. Is that he should be doing a good morning with fire plates on each side? Nonsense. You're plenty strong for that. Well, no, no. I was going to take it a little deeper. I think that what you assume a good morning is supposed to feel like maybe that's just what the machines that predict the matrix into your mind want you to think what a good morning feels feels like it might feel like a bench press for all you know that's deep it's a lot deeper though we have this segment called heavy thoughts

and I think we just entered a heavy thoughts segment I would say deep enough to no longer make any sense yes true my point being though there's really good stuff uh um scientific principles of strength training i love that book uh thank you i know you're a big part of that and a lot of good stuff so we really appreciate having you on mike thank you for your

time guys this has been a true pleasure thanks so much for having me all right thanks a lot mike all right take care yeah see you bye. Tommy, what do you give them? Oh, I think we know. Cool beans. Beans. Cool beans. Cool beans. And Tanner, I served those beans up with the max GMO dosage available to them.

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The Strength Co. plates have become the go-to choice for all members at Massonomics gym check out their plates and all their other made in america equipment online at the strengthco.com that's the strengthco.com tanner i you know talking about ted talks kind of put my brain on a little walk down memory lane and i think where i really became disillusioned with ted talks where i'm like i guess they let anyone do these things. Now is when he saw my Gizratel had one. Well, it was right before his, his is what really set me over the edge.

But there was a certain character on YouTube back in the day that was on the beginning of everyone's videos. And his name was Ty Lopez. Which was that the guy with the books? You know, these cars, all my books here uh here in beverly hills in my garage with my lamborghini but you know what's cooler than this and he's just a just the garage is lined with bookshelves which okay no yeah um so it's like

well and then everyone is immediately just skipping through these ads because they make no sense and then i saw that he had a ted talk and i'm like wait this guy has a message we're saying and i remember i got like i don't know was it the books thing he's like you know what's cool this ted talk he doubled down on the thing that he reads um a book every single day and i'm like well that's not physically possible unless this guy's job is literally to read books so i had to dig in like what is it is he a master speed reader yeah right and it's like no he just like skims through chapters and just picks out interesting facts it's like well it's kind of not the point of most books like to skim through and pick things out and i think i was like maybe 10 minutes into that ted talk and i'm like i'm

like 10 minutes in this guy still has said nothing i guess maybe the bar is pretty low for what they allow to be discussed here so for all i know there was some crazy twist ending i never got to it but it was taking a long time to get there it took way too long to get there so that's what uh made me yeah i remember that guy classic i think there's a meme there i think oh taking a clip of him doing that i think there's uh i think there's something there stay tuned for that those ads were everywhere like early 2010s youtube i was just thinking there's a lot of opportunity this kind of falls in that taking older commercials that you've forgotten about but then as soon as you see them you're

like oh my gosh i saw that 10 000 times you know like 90s commercials and stuff like the infomercials that you see on yeah yeah oh yeah we used to there's a few of those we watch or it was just like yeah every night at you know watch the knives guy like yeah 10 20 stainless steel dude the miracle blade we freaking watch those miracle blade commercials so many times when we were in like third grade isn't that weird that we watch we all watch anything it's insane and it's like dad you gotta call him it only you only have two hours to call dad and i'm being like they don't know what i'm calling yes it says right there if you don't call the next two hours the price doubles he's like they don't know what I'm calling. Yes. It says right there. If you don't call the next two hours, the price doubles. He's like,

they don't have a timer. They have no idea what I'm calling. Like, and now it's like, well clearly, but at the time when you're in like third grade, it's like, no,

these knives cut through. This is like the closest thing to a lightsaber. The world has ever produced is the fricking miracle blade. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if those that's still in business. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them are. Something I was thinking about that we should touch on is,

so last week we had on Evan Cardone, and I think most people understood that we like to have a large variety of guests on our show. Yeah, see what's going on with all aspects of the strength world. Right, we did get a couple comments, and I was kind of expecting these comments i'm not not faulting anyone for saying this but i just think it's worth stating our reasons why we're doing what we're doing but you know a couple people on youtube someone said um don't give car door and they said car door which i thought was funny don't give car door a platform anymore like he shouldn't be talking and then someone else said get better guests and you know i mentioned i just politely said why we have these people and i think they got a good

response back from them too but you know it's kind of like we're not the judge and jury i don't think on uh everyone whether they're uh good and good or terrible or anything like that and we're we're here interviewing people we we interview one person every week from uh years ago until what seems like the end of time now like on the pace we're going so we're going to interview a lot of different people and like some people you're are it's going to be a lot of people like as well there's also a lot of people that you probably don't disagree with or that you probably don't agree with or have the same beliefs right and and we're not going to necessarily agree with everything that every one of our guests said. I think we could pick out a whole bunch of guests that have said things that at

the time you and I sit here and we're like, like, we're just going to stay silent and go to the next. Like with that being said, we're not going to get like the grand wizard of the KKK on the air. Right. Right. Like we have to,

right. Like if we do something heinous, right. Like we're not going to have that person on but like if and we're not having cardone experts we know people kind of dislike him well that's like as far as we knew the biggest thing about evan cardone is like people just think he gives really dumb training advice and like he think that's does stupid arguments on the internet and yeah like arguments maybe not in good faith a lot of the time but i think that like maybe there's more there i don't have enough time to like literally dig into every person the aspect

of every person and also like you dig hard enough on like you're gonna find some people that don't like some other people almost no matter what but i i agree with you we're not gonna get purposely uh terrible character people but like you know he's kind of from what we know he falls in that category where i think some people could make the there again i get it i can certainly understand if you're not a fan of his but i could also after talking to him i could see people thinking and maybe he is a little yeah maybe he is a little bit maybe you know i could see someone thinking that too. You know? So, but that's kind of the reason.

And it's, we're wanting to have interesting interviews. And like, he obviously is interesting to a lot of people. So I think it was an interesting person to have on. I agree. Yeah. I totally agree. I did not say that we have a whole bunch like that lined up or anything like that. But if something like that came up again, I mean we're gonna have hundreds of people on here you know like at this point we've probably had a hundred guests you know we're gonna have people that there's probably people

that listen to this like uh that mike guy after his uh gmo spiel i don't like him anymore you know yeah the way he talks so profoundly about GMO. Right. Screw that guy. Right. So that's all I was thinking on that. Yeah. I think that's a,

yeah. And just because we have someone on doesn't mean that we're endorsing every single statement they say either. Like it's, I mean, we definitely agree with a lot of things that we have people on that they say, because if we just hated everything, someone had to say like, we wouldn't have them on. So like, yeah, we do agree with some things of things that we have people on that they say because if we just hated everything someone had to say like we wouldn't have them on so right like yeah we do agree with some things but yeah there's totally been people that we have them on the podcast a lot of people they say

pretty wild stuff tanner you and i don't say anything and the podcast gets done and we go oh baby glad we didn't have to reply to that one glad we didn't go down that road think of some specific examples yeah they really wanted to take us there and we didn't take the bait, so they got to just sit with that. And if you've been a long-time listener, you kind of know what we do. I mean, it's almost humorous to people. If you're a long-time listener, you know when we're sitting here and we kind of maybe give each other a look or we just kind of like there's dead air for a second and then we just completely shift gears. There's probably a thing we do that we don't even know

that we do that makes it somewhat obvious. I think we certainly do the thing where we shift where something's been very serious and we just completely shift gears. We go alright we'll pause let that breathe for a second okay now we're over here. Yes. So then that won't be the last of that

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Have you seen Loki? I haven't. I'm terrible. Actually, you're like the fifth person that's asked me in the last week if I've watched a certain movie. And I just keep thinking, I haven't watched a movie in many, many months. It's the Marvel. Yeah, it's the series or whatever. I've only watched a couple episodes. It's like is the only thing I've watched for a while.

Oh, it's not an actual movie. It's a series? No, it's a series. Oh, it is. It's a series on Disney. I assumed it was a movie when I was seeing this promotion. No, it's a good series from the couple I've watched. And it's funny because it's also about there's some time elements to it from I don't know shit

about shit about shit about it but um it seems pretty good from the little bit I've seen okay okay that's like my goal on tv watching is to watch that show and I'm having a hard time uh getting there but I but there is funny time things and i can see how parallels to the buddy caps story and there i'll go yeah i'm taking the long detour tanner i said this many many episodes ago that i was on succession and i took a very long detour and now i'm back to season two so because i did see season three's coming so i'm like oh there's another season i guess i gotta keep going my thing with those with all like succession, I really liked succession. I get into it and I can watch it and say there's one or two seasons out and I

watch them. I never follow back up. Like when more seasons come out, like it could be the rest of my life before I come back to it. And then even when they do like HBO come out a year, two years later, you forget all of them. So I know.

I don't want to rewatch. Yeah. Or you got to find the YouTube video. Remember remember this find the youtube video that does the hour recap of everything that happened and yeah that is always the hard part yeah i i'm really bad at coming back to like series's end for me whenever whatever whenever point they're at time they're at when i've been whenever my modern day right right and then it's like yeah i'm probably never watching more of this again. Yeah, I was kind of having this sad realization that I've been working on HBO pretty hard for probably the last year or so.

And I'm starting to really feel like, you know, when you look at some of the best TV shows of all time, when you look at the list, you know, it's all subjective, but when you look at the list, HBO has a lot at the top. And even if you go like best HBO shows of all time like there's a lot of shows that are really really good and like for a while I was like there's just this whole world that I have to explore and like I'm just like chopping down that list more and more every day to the point where it's like oh if I say like the best ever like there's not a whole lot left it's getting kind of sad that you watch Deadwood uh so because I I love Deadwood back when it for when it was originally airing

i tried starting that one and my wife goes i think this is just one i just can't do it's really good and so i did watch the first episode horrendous language yeah horrendously vulgar i did watch the first episode and that was one where she's like nope can't do it and um since then i've basically taken an approach where i just watch shows without you now so i'll be i will get and then it's only two yeah it's only like two or they did come out with a movie like 10 years later and i was so stoked when the new movie came out to you because it was at the time when you know kind of my favorite show so that that's when i will get back around to from southwestern south dakota yeah Southwestern South Dakota. That's right. Well, I think that's our media recap.

Yes. We covered sports. We covered media. We covered Mike Israetel and Jackie. Oh, we forgot to cover the UFC, Tanner, and all of our expertise in that. That's true. There was a fight this weekend. Conor McGregor lost, broke his ankle or something. I guess that's it.

Check. He was mad. He said things. He said things to the camera. had an accent yeah really strong accent with that guy isn't there there can be yeah yeah okay i think we'll wrap this one up should we wrap this one up we talked about all our sponsors you could uh also mention to check out our stuff we've got uh our shop massonomics.com sell a whole bunch of shirts like both the ones we're wearing here tom tommy's got the lift fast t on i've got the

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