Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 282: Jon Andersen

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

Big Jon Andersen joined us to discuss his crazy life as a professional wrestler, IFBB pro bodybuilder, and a top level strongman. We talk about hemorrhoids, Honda 3-wheelers, and those wool caps that fold over that nobody really knows the name of. We also introduce our new discord perk for all supporting members of the podcast! The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics we're back again this time for episode 282 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy tanner obviously the great thing about number 282 it plays the same both ways ah yeah whatever that's called like fire truck yeah yeah just like that except not

but everyone was thinking about it yes they were yeah yes they were um tanner i think we had a fun episode here oh i think we've got a lot of good conversation in store i just have a feeling i've got that feeling that we've got a lot of good stuff to cover here and i have a feeling we got something really good to cover here i would say specifically people should really tune in for this next part because there's a few details i want to make sure people are are set clear on and that is tan are you ready yeah i'm excited this episode is brought to you by the strength co now listen there there's a timeline that is being established here so i want you to pay attention grant brogy i want to say i forgot now we we talked is there a certain level of um

um rolling of the tongue I have to do there? I don't want to do him any disservice. Or did we just say no? And you also don't want to do it too much. Yeah, that's right. Okay. I'm already messing it up. I think it was good.

Okay. Grant Brogy was born in the late 80s, nearly two decades after buddy caps began lifting. In the late 90s, Grant's brother Jordan bought him the new Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding by Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Grant's love for weightlifting began. In 2001, Grant joined the local YMCA and began training with weights. In 2009, Grant discovered the book Starting Strength, and in 2012, as a lieutenant in the Marine Corps, he began teaching Marines this method. In 2017, Grant opened his first gym in Costa Mesa, California, and the Strength Co. was born. In 2020, during a major iron shortage,

Grant sought to bring back quality manufacturing of Olympic barbell plates to America. His innovation, adaptation, and can-do attitude brought about the greatest plates made in decades. The plates were accurate, anti-fragile, and instantly became the go-to plates of hundreds of lifters at masonomics gym um you can find out more about uh the strength co and grants his grant story at the strength co uh.com that's the strength co.com wow i feel

really smart that was a good ad i feel yeah i that was good spoiler that was an ad that was nobody actually realized that it's the you know the new form of advertising where you can't tell if you just were just digesting content or if it was actually an ad there you know if it was in a magazine they'd have it down small and say this is an advertisement right right right yeah that's what we just did there that was impressive that's i love that timeline that was a lot of fun can't wait to read that again i'll get that down better next hopefully uh i wonder if we could get like a spud inc timeline and a uh fusion sp timeline can only hope you can only hope damn we have some um i have to ask did you ever get the uh did you ever try the white sauce

i didn't know we were just talking about it tonight, actually, at my house. We might try it pretty soon, but we have not yet. Have you tried it? I did try it, and I was kind of surprised. It was a flavor that I was not. Was it vinegary? Kind of, yeah. Like, kind of, yeah.

Because I had my mom, a bit of a barbecue sauce expert. She looked it over, and she said, I think this is pretty vinegar. And usually, when you think white sauces on meat, you're like, is it ranch? Or is it some type of gravy? And it's definitely neither one of those. It does some weird trick with my brain that the white sauce is not either one of those. I thought it was good.

It was definitely, I would eat it again. It just shocked me getting it because that was so not what I was expecting. What could you compare it to? Is there anything? My wife was almost like, it kind of sort of reminds me of like, sort of like a coleslaw dressing a little bit, but that's still not even really accurate because it is way more like a barbecue sauce. So it's really its own thing.

It does feel like its own thing, yeah. And maybe if it was a different color, I'd be like, no, no, this is just a barbecue sauce. Maybe it is the white thing it's really its own thing it does feel like its own thing yeah okay and maybe if it was a different color i'd be like no no this is just a barbecue sauce maybe it's the white thing messing right that much but uh it was good i'm grateful we got to have it still uh still trying to wrap my head around a little bit though oh well maybe i'll try it here soon and we can uh what'd you have it on i had it on pork okay i don't know if that's the preferred preferred meat for that or not. It does have a chicken on the bottle. It does, but it does say pork on the bottle.

Right, it does. It does. Tanner, this past weekend was a pretty popping weekend for Brown County around these parts. Pretty lit, as the kids say. You could say very lit, maybe even. We had super, super megastar Nelly performing performing live nelly furtado not not that one who's more famous nelly or nelly furtado probably nelly i think that i'm pretty sure no to me for sure i would say nelly furtado did put out some put out some hits though she did she was she had

some things going there for a while but uh nelly was town. And let's just say it got hot in here. It did get hot in here. It was funny. Before we went to this concert, so this is our local county fair, and I don't go to the concert ever because it's a country act. And I don't know anything about country music, so it's like, well, I mean, I can go, and I'll go and talk to people and have beer. I can also do that without spending a lot of money on a ticket

or something I have no idea. I usually don't go, but this was okay. Nelly, I can do that. But before we went, we had a little pre-party. The party before the party. We had a little party before the party. And let's just say it got hot in there. It did also get hot in there,

but I had a little party thing that some of the, my wife's younger sister was there and they're in there like they're mid-20s so they're not like they're way younger than us but she had some of her friends come and i said fellow friends let me show you something here and i let me show you the light i brought them i showed them two cans of bang and they're like yeah bang i'm like no it's bang seltzer like what yeah blowing mind. Like how much caffeine is in it though? I'm like zero. They go, what? And, um, they were actually, they were actually like thinking I had some like witchcraft that I made this bang seltzer. And I'm like, well, what, what's castation to get this out in town? I'm like, did you say it was shipped from

Ohio? And they're like, that's a whole story in itself too. And also, uh, people were, people were like, their minds were blown. But on the topic of that bang i was friend of the podcast scott dodds did send me a picture uh bang does make vape cartridges that seemed real i think right that's what i i told him i'm like ha ha ha i literally cannot tell if this is like a dumb like photoshop meme or if this is real and he said no these exist at the gas station down from my house so that's ridiculous you can get caffeine alcohol and dates from them they really they really have the the market's cornered the complete uh scott said they got they got their vices down yeah they got them all right oh bang bang bang bang bang yeah so and nelly was good uh i i mean i've definitely been to better

concerts but i had i had a good time i had fun it was i didn't think you did a bad job i was in the vicinity but you were in the vicinity i caught up to you afterwards yeah i uh i really couldn't hear it i don't really don't know like i you know like i I really couldn't hear it. I really don't know. Like I'm like hundreds of feet away and I really don't know what was going on in there. Yeah. Also a lot of music. Country grammar and stuff. Things like that.

You know, the classics. I'm really thirsty. Are you really thirsty? Yeah, so let's do a sack segment leading into that. Because it's actually uh it's all related here so it's all connected this is from our good friend big travis over at can you see i was wondering why you had an obsidian box yes from obsidian and he says the first note at the beginning is boys refriger, refrigerate and open on podcast.

So that's where the can segment comes in here. Okay, and then we have this really nice, as far as, you know, we get a few cans in the mail. Yeah. This might be the nicest packaging we've ever got for cans before. And he also sent some other assorted goodies that he had around. So one of them is nose bleach. Oh, yeah.

Of course. I'm not going to sniff that on air then he also sent oh these hour strips oh damn i might have to have a couple of those on air here yeah uh max tuning i don't know if you know who that is i think he runs this company yeah that's what i was wondering i thought i'd seen yeah um that's funny max tuning that was kind of when i first got into fitness youtube i he was a guy get him on the podcast he was a guy kind of when I first got into fitness YouTube I he was a good him on the podcast kind of followed yeah I actually watch a little bit of that and you kind of get burnt out yeah yes that's kind of anyone that vlogs just watch it a little bit and you get over it and then he sent us some of his uh high quality stickers here he's got the

uh you know what that is yep I like these these are magnets what are they oh it's a little and a magnet a little smelling it's like twice the size of this actual smelling that's really cool i like that and then this one a la nasa um i like this one the reefer madness and then the simonia supreme style. And then this one. The Van Damme. Yeah. What is that? Not John Claude Van Damme.

Who is this guy? Blood sport. Why can't I think of his name? What is his name? Damn it, Tanner. That's silly that we couldn't think of that. I bet there's so many people listening right now that know this answer. Oh, they're doing that damn thing that they do where they're like,

those idiots, I totally know more about them than on most things because I'm sitting at home in the comfort of my own house and not recording a podcast. We better just get to the bottom of it. Oh, my God. Tanner, I thought you were going to, Oh yeah. Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Oh yeah. That is the Van Damme. Who am I thinking of? What's the other guy? Patrick Swayze. No, no, no,

no. He, he was also kind of like a, no, no, no, no, no,

no, he was a white guy that kind of tried to be like the whole karate master thing. And he had, I think he was on like a cop show late like in more recent years here what the hell is his name no god i cannot think of his name he looks like dan from street fighter if that makes it easier for anyone i i'm pissed i can't think batista okay there it is yeah all right anyways let's get to this can here uh do we have to close our eyes to drink it or do we just look at the can and take it all into?

What do you think? I don't know. I don't know. Like it's not, maybe it's not as fun when we both don't know what it is though. Maybe we should, can we both try not to look at it? Okay. Okay. I'll just, oh, well, wait a minute.

I got to see. Or do we need to look at it? Oh, I think we might need to look at this. Oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. look at it oh i think we might need to look at this oh whoa whoa whoa okay what in the world okay that other than really cool so this cap is something else okay so we have like what it appears to be i would call this a pounder, like a 16 ounce aluminum can. Yeah. With our obsidian ammonia label wrapped around it.

And like labeled on the top. But it's like a knurled cap on top of this thing, which is really cool. Well, this looks like a tire. Yeah. Oh, a tire. Kind of like a knurling pattern too, you could say. Okay, so do we screw this off? Yeah.

Screw off. screw the frig off oh just pop oh oh oh this is really cool oh look inside oh baby okay so this little cap do you see it says lift hard live easy massonomics with the logo that's insane that's insane and also the fact okay so this look this cap is has to be like 3d printed yeah it has like a knurled pattern you lift the cap up inside there is one perfect little capsule of ammonia inhalant designed to fit into this thing like the very edges of it fit in so perfectly and then around around the outside of the cap it says lift hard live easy massonomics and the massonomics logo is sitting

there wow that is really cool okay and we haven't even got to the can yet Tanner and the way that pops on is just cool yeah that's like it's a like a reusable top essentially at the you know that is amazing all right let's go for this beverage all right let's see what's in the beverage

you know okay sensing alcohol Let's go for this beverage. All right. Let's see what's in the beverage, you know. Okay. Sensing alcohol. Is it like a lemony beer? Yeah. I would guess like a lemon, like maybe even a sour of some kind, right? Right?

Yeah. I don't know. We're never going to know, Are we, I don't know. Is it possible to get this label off? Let's see. I think I got a little, I ain't got it started here. Okay.

I'm getting it started here. Okay. I'm saying, yeah, like a lemon sour of some kind would be my best guess. And this says, Oh, okay. okay.

What we actually have here is, well, Tanner, I can tell you, there is a picture of a lemon on the can. Okay, that makes sense. So we're not completely off. It's making sense so far. You know, Travis, I don't know if he knows this, but his labels are actually quite sticky. They don't come off very easily.

This is really cool, though. Steam Whistle Lemon Shandy. Okay. Wow. Okay, I'm going to spill this thing all over me. I have to try to get the whole thing out. Well, now we know what it is. That's what it is.

Wow. Good stuff. Beer's good. Cap is amazing. This cap is freaking amazing. The cap, I give it a 10. This is amazing. This cap is freaking amazing. The cap, I give it a 10. This might be the coolest cap I've ever seen.

Yep. That is really, really cool. Wow. The beer? I'll give it a three and a half. And then you've always got this ammonia handy for whenever you might need it. It's like the break in case of an emergency. Yeah. So cool.

That is really cool. Okay. I'm going to get going on of an emergency. Yeah. So cool. That is really cool. Okay. I'm going to get going on these sour strips. Yeah. We did have. So. Yeah, we had a drop. Is that what you're going to say?

Yes, exactly. And you're wearing one of the shirts right there, right? Yeah. Massonomics Gym Tee. So this tee, you know, we've been saying we haven't had a tea that really pops no no no we've been popping hard but we haven't had a tea for like that's like represents the gym you know not a lot of people have a gym we got a gym but we didn't have a tea that really like said the gym right so we got the massonomics gym t you got the skull in the left chest big print on the back i

think it looks really good we've had the banner in the gym for a couple months now so it's nice that we finally got this on a t-shirt i love the gym t it's got the aberdeen sd across the rocker on the bottom yeah you can you let really people know like you're a world traveler when you have the massonomics gym t and it says aberdeen sd on it yeah yeah they'll say aberdeen san diego never heard of it no think again that's two cities in a row it is up next though we have the raw power t and this thing has got those it's got those uh speaking of pop it does pop this really does pop this has got those retro the audio's popping too much you can't snap crackle pop this has those retro band vibes for sure band t vibes and we got the massonomics name big up top with the buffalo busting on through and raw power across the

bottom this is just it's a fun shirt yep it's on a red t it looks awesome i'm having fun just looking at it i'm i'm really excited to wear that one around because it looks so damn good and what drop would be complete without something not for your upper body we have the legs out of the massonomics lift shit shorts in maroon what they make that, yeah, those are pretty cool. Yep. It's our classic Lift Shit logo on the Champion mesh shorts that you've all come to know and love. I'll be curious. These, you know, we're not saying that these are like limited edition.

It was one of a hundred or anything like that. No, these don't come with the card. But I don't, we also don't know. We might not keep them in stock forever, but I'll be curious to see how these things actually move. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they're going to sell out in 40 minutes.

That would, that would kind of show. I mean, if they did, I would love it. That'd be great. We won't complain. That would kind of shock me if they did,

but they are pretty cool. They are. And they are great for lifting shit nothing says you lift shit like a piece of apparel that says lift shit on it yes you uh gotta make things obvious for everyone so make sure you get in on those and the other breaking development tanner the people the people oh yeah the people that's right maybe didn't know they wanted it and they got it and that is the massonomics discord now you might be saying i don't i don't know what those words even meant that you guys just said there i would say that and before this some of

you know exactly what we're talking about right away but um discord is basically an app for talking chatting communicating and most people that play video games i believe are probably Discord is basically an app for talking, chatting, communicating. And most people that play video games, I believe, are probably familiar with it. But more brands and companies are starting to use it for kind of like their own little personal chat room. And we decided, you know what? We want a fun place for Masonomics people to just talk Masonomics stuff or whatever is on their mind. massonomic stuff or whatever or whatever's on their mind and so if you are a massonomics podcast supporting member you will get the invite now automatically once you purchase that membership you'll get an invite to join the discord it's members only

and once you're in you'll find a pretty pretty vibrant community in there there is we already have a number of uh users that have adopted it and running with it. As of talking right now, we're a little over 24 hours in and it's been a lot of fun. There's a lot of banter back and forth regarding mostly things Masonomics, but even some other things too. If you're wondering who's in, it's a lot of the people that you see commenting on Instagram. It's been a lot of fun, though. We are also kind of, so it's open to our supporting members. That's how you would get in.

It's also open to the sponsors of our show, which is kind of a fun thing. So it gets you a chance to get in there. And for example, you read the Strength Co-Ad with Grant. You can talk to Grant and tell him what you think about his timeline which is really funny because just today someone suggested that the strength co-ad should have a timeline little did they know it was waiting for them and

we're giving them first dibs on when the exact moment the drop is coming so if you're one of those people that doesn't like missing out well get in there you'll know that they might even have a little sneak peek as to what's coming next and they also get uh a heads up on who the guest is too so yep when we're talking to john later today we uh we had some questions that came from the

from the discord community from the discord community on some really heavy hitting topics that they wanted john to cover so it is a pretty cool thing that you do get in return for your supporting membership now. Yeah. I do think it's pretty cool. It is pretty cool. And we'll also throw this out there. If you do sign up, there is a discount code involved too.

We're not necessarily – don't just do it because there's a discount code. I mean, you could. That kind of sucked. But you could. We can't stop you. No, no. It's just not even worth it. I'm just telling you,. That kind of sucked. But you could. We can't stop you. No, no. It's just not even worth it. I'm just telling you, don't even do it.

It's not worth it just for the discount code. That could be the thing that sets you over the edge, maybe, that you're like, oh, the rest of it sounds okay. I'm like, okay, there's a discount code. But the Discord alone should get you going. That's more valuable than the discount code. As you can imagine, there's fun emojis waiting for you inside there. There's apple pie emojis.

Have you noticed there's been some additional emojis? There's a request for an emoji. It gets added. I think we have apple pies, JD Powers. We've got LaCroix's, some cool beans. Go-to plates. The go-to plates. It's all there.

So the natural reaction to any comment is it's just sitting and waiting yeah yeah be like oh i give that one lift short you know it's a great comment when yeah your comment has four lift shorts on it and two cool beans what a jd power yep that comment is really resonating with people so it's been a lot of fun seeing that in just a matter of a day it's really really growing and getting a life of its own. It's really popping off. It's like an Ellie concert. It's getting hot in there, isn't it?

It's getting hot in here, in the Discord. Tanner, there was a world record bench attempt this past weekend. Sadly, we have to say attempt because it was not yep successful but i didn't actually catch it you did i believe didn't you yeah i saw it on somebody threw it up on youtube there uh big uh julius went for the 800 pounder and he i think he threw out like the first pitch at the cubs game oh did he really something like that i a picture. I'm not positive on that. I think that maybe he did. I'm not positive about that. But he attempted the 800-pound bench. He got it, I would say, two-thirds of the way up.

Oh, really? Something like that. Uh-huh. And couldn't get it two-thirds, you know, 60%, 70% up and couldn't get it. Let me bust me off one of those. Let me see if that's any good. You know, really, sour, chewy candy is not the best on air. It's our Starburst thing.

He did end up taking a break and trying it again. Oh, he did. And the second attempt didn't go as well. And that's really no surprise to anyone. Usually that second attempt is. That's always hard. But I think from what I saw, you know, Julius wasn't making any excuses about it. He just didn't get it.

Yeah, I mean, that's not going to be there every day. Right, right. Well, it's never been there for anyone. Yeah, it's not going to be there any day. Technically hasn't been there ever and on any day. Mm-hmm. The other thing to watch out for now though is this other this guy from i don't know what country and i don't know what name you've probably all seen him now on instagram or like a freaking tank to see if he'll give julius a run for his money you know i suppose now the thing is like which one of them of them is going to, you know, it's.

Do it first. Right. I mean, he's even got to be getting just, he's going to be just close to just tying Julius' record here soon. I would think, I mean, got to do it in competition and everything. Which can be a different animal, but. Mm-hmm. What do you think of the Sour Stripes? I like them.

I'm still always a chocolate first kind of guy. Me too. But I do like these things though. These are, they are. I am very much a chocolate first. There's enough of just like a flavor explosion here that like two of these is like, all right, I'm good. I got two of those. I'm great.

That amount you gave me right there. Was that one thing? That was one. They're kind of long. That was a good amount for me honestly yeah but i say two i mean i could eat like a lot of oh yeah i just feel really shitty that's the thing like i actually do feel not that i'm a health nut in the way i eat but i don't eat a lot of just things that are just straight up like sugar's the main ingredient of them. So I do notice when I eat stuff like that, if I eat too much of it,

I will feel shitty almost within not too many minutes later. I almost have like a just feel like shit for a while from it. But, oh, I'm just living the life right now, Tanner. No one can stop me. Just pounding back the sour strips. Oh, baby. How many JD powers did you give this? I think I i said three and a half three and a half for this i'm typically not uh lemon usually isn't my go-to choice for for beers i'd give it a three yeah it's not it's it would be a one and done

situation for you know someone in the in the discord had mentioned something about bud light seltzers and i forgot to say this actually i had my first ever bud light seltzer like a couple weeks ago it was a peach i don't know if it's peach or peach lemonade it was actually really good i've never i don't even really care for seltzers a whole lot but that one was really good i would drink a lot of those so yeah if you're ever uh if you ever if you ever look at and there's a peach one waiting for you, I recommend it. Don't turn it down. Do not ever. You know what else you shouldn't turn down?

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like august we update it's been 365 days this must be i mean i think sometimes i don't know we don't necessarily update it every year like it's not like it's august we update it's been 365 days this must be i mean i think sometimes i don't know did we go a year and a half this time probably it's been quite a while i think since we've updated it it is originally the top 10 and it's still named that just because it's a good name but there's a few more than 10 on this list at this point we slipped a couple yeah anyone's actually noticed that um it does explain in there just in case people but does anyone read that part honestly no yeah no they would just most people don't even read the article they just see the instagram post and then argue about something that without even reading the article whatsoever yeah um but to run down the list actually just some of the criteria so people know we talk about the knowledge that they're putting

out that's important sometimes uh humor i think in my eyes that's that's important i like something that can get get a laugh out of me uh audio quality is important uh if it sounds like shit it's really hard to listen to it for a long time yeah it's exhausting uh production value that kind of goes along with audio quality but is there also video that goes along with it what else are they doing to improve it for you uh guess is it a show with guests doesn't have to be but if they are is it something that's interesting to the community and then one of the biggest ones to me probably as far as being on this list is just consistency they put out a show once a week once a month they used to do it now it hasn't been four months without it. It's hard to be a fan of anything when it's not there. Exactly.

If you suggest something that should be on the list and they haven't put an episode out for five months, that would be my first response is, well, they're not on the list because they don't meet. That's like almost the most basic criteria to be on this list is it needs to be an actively produced show. And almost all of these are like weekly shows some of them follow a little bit different schedule maybe some are bi-weekly

some kind of approach it with a season approach but you're more than likely probably getting a few a month right and it's even if it's a season thing where you know they're taking take like a two-month break off in the summer or something like that that's like a known rhythm to it and I don't consider them not producing content at that point you know like that's just how their show goes so to get to the list Stronger by Science makes a return

they've been on here before Greg Knuckles and Eric Trexler are the hosts of that show Greg Knuckles has been a guest on our podcast so make sure to check out stronger by science and check out our episode with greg yeah next on the list uh old fan favorite massonomics podcast i was worried we're gonna make the cut this year i was pretty excited to see that of course we're on there again um shameless plug that way biggest reason for us

to be on there so when people come this, we come in the top three, they click on us and see us and say, Hey, I'll listen to these guys. And these are in no particular order other than I wanted, you know, we wanted ours to be relatively high in the list, but not first. So that's why we're second. I mean, we wanted ours to be. Yes. But that looks a little.

Yes. That's a little tacky. So we'll take the number two spot here. Next one on the list, two white lights. This is an addition this year and um we just recently had uh mr fortino yeah mr fortino on our show that was just a few weeks ago that we had him and i think uh they've really taken off with two white lights and it's become a pretty cool podcast very consistent hitting a lot of the go to podcast for us apl lifters absolutely is so make sure to check them out uh long time

returner iron radio maybe possibly one of the longest running podcasts on our list it is the longest running one on our list absolutely i think they're in like their 12th year they're like got us doubled yeah which is wild it doesn't happen by accident no next one returning let's get stupid podcast tom and tom have been continuing to pump out a weekly episode they're very adamant about not missing a week and they have stuck to that they get it to them you know what it's about yeah they'll do it like uh they'll because i think theirs is they release on wednesdays and they'll release uh at.55 p.m. on a Wednesday night if they have to, just to not miss the Wednesday.

Well, it is. You've got to keep the streak alive. Yes. Elite FTS Table Talk with Dave Tate, of course. Dave's also been on our podcast since the last time we talked about this, but he's been on this list before, and everyone knows Dave Tate. Hybrid Unlimited, a return to the list, one of the sponsors of the show, just talked about this but he's been on this list before and everyone knows dave tate

hybrid unlimited a return to the list one of the sponsors of the show just talked about hybrid stephy and hayden um so with matt vincent also been on our podcast before also returning to this list 50 facts with silent mike and jim mcd perennial favorite on the list starting strength radio of course with rip return it to the list i like this picture always a good picture of him him wearing the don't curl in me sure yeah iron culture i think was one that was more recently added and that's with omar esaf esau and eric helms uh they ton of gas pumping out a ton of content very um top notch stuff that they're doing i would say barbend podcast which uh we've been on yeah we would make sure to check out the episode of tommy this year on the barbend podcast do not miss that one and that's the list most fun list yeah a lot of there's a lot you can draw a lot of

lines of correlation i think almost everyone on the list has either been on our show or we've been on theirs or some combination but it's because these are active podcasts in this space that's true it's yeah it's exactly right we've been on iron radio um we do have an open invitation from Dave Tate at tape. If they, the guy that helps him record just mentioned this last month that we have an open invitation that whenever we're in Columbus, we're welcome on the table talk, but we have to get there.

Of course, let's get stupid. I think it would be very fun. That would be a lot of fun to be on that one. It would be really fun to be in person with them to be on that. Matt Vincent, we also have an open invitation to be on the Umso podcast if we get down to St. Louis. We've been on the 50% Facts.

We've been on Starting Strength Radio. We've been on Bar Bend. Iron Culture may be the one on the list that we have not had any crossover with. I'd like to get both Omar and Eric on our show in the future. You could say they're on our list. They are on our list. We'll be checking you guys off next. Old Billy Madison checkoff list.

Boy, am I glad I called that guy. Bingo. That's our list. Tommy, did we have anything else that we needed to run down before we get to our guest here i think the rundowns that's pretty much we ran it all down for the most part we did a lot of running i think i think we have some i think it's time to hear a little message from our guest pretty quick here. Excellent. One note before that. In 2009, Merritt had a dream about supplements. In 2009, September, Fusion Sports Performance was born.

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I think we've got a lot of good stuff to talk about with our guests. I have a feeling we're in for something here, so we better get to it. Okay, cool. I have a feeling we're in for something here, so we better get to it. Okay, cool. What's going down, brother? How you doing?

Big John, this is Tanner and Tommy. We got you on the Mathsonomics podcast. How's it going? What's up, John? What's going down, fellas? Let's fucking go. Let's have some fun. We've been excited to get you on. We've been talking about it all week.

I think you said you saw something on Travis's page there and saw us through there. So we were very excited when you got a hold of us about that. Yeah, absolutely, fellas. The bottom line is, you know, we're all connected. You know, we all love doing the same shit. We all go about doing it different ways. And we all share experiences and we all basically try to help each other get better. And that's what it's all about.

Absolutely. And I don't know, maybe, Tommy, you're the same. I think the first where I came across to you was probably the first time I – I think I knew about you a little bit before that. But the first time I really got into you is when you were on the PowerCast for the first time. And I don't know, it was probably like five or six years ago. Yeah, that's right. I think so. Oh, yeah. power cast for the first time and i don't know it's probably like five or six years ago oh yeah oh yeah we're talking about that would be like 2013 or 14 okay yeah yeah and at the time like yeah i think it was the same thing it's like i kind of knew who you were but on there

it was like wow this guy has got like something going on here he's bringing the energy well you know the thing about it is you know is you know know, that was back when Mark's show was just, it was just literally just getting started, you know? And I mean, it was, it was great. It was just, it was just raw. And, you know, Mark was like, look, let's get on those hops with fun. Let's entertain these people. Because that's the thing, you know, it's great to get some great information, but if you can fucking be entertained and laugh your ass off in the process, now you've got something, you know? Yeah. And that's what it's all about.

You know, telling funny stories, you know, I got zero problem pulling my fucking pants down, so to speak, in front of an audience because, because we all, you know, the bottom line is we all have shit that fucking embarrasses shit out of us. But when you got the fucking balls to land on the table so everybody can see the shit you went through, it helps other people realize they can pull their pants down, too. Because in essence, if we all had balls enough, we'd be walking around fucking butt naked. You know? You wouldn't be fucking covering up anything, you know?

Shit junk would be flopping around in the fucking wind you know what i mean and but but everybody's so everybody's so fucking self-conscious and scared thinking that i mean get drunk don't be wrong fuck i was one of these motherfuckers jesus christ there's a certain point in your life where you start to realize you know what all this shit that happened to me was my fucking biggest blessing. And that's when you start to embrace it. And until somebody helps you see that side of it, you know, you spend a lot of time trying to cover up the shit that, that, you know, at the time, I mean, I went through a lot of things. Like, let me, let me tell you a story. This is one of those things that fucking

haunted me for decades. And then I finally got to the point like, holy shit, this is also one of those things that fucking haunted me for decades and then I finally got to the point like holy shit this is also one of those things that fucking allows me that allowed me to be me and I wouldn't fucking trade it for a minute man I mean Jesus Christ is a fat little boy I would have fucking cut off my left fucking pinky to do any one of the three careers I did let alone all fucking three you know I mean so but you, so I'm a fucking fat little boy. I'm a late fucking bloomer, right? And I'm talking late bloomer. Like I didn't hit fucking pure until I was 17, you know?

And so freshman high school, you know, that's a big fucking year going into the, you're going into the big boys, you know? And fucking A, this is back in the day when football practice, the coach said, hey, everybody takes a shower. Now if a fucking coach said that, the son of a bitch would be in fucking prison. You know? But the coach says, everybody takes a shower. We run extra gassers tomorrow.

And the fucking, you know, the fucking older guys are like, everybody gets in the shower, goddamn it. I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking to myself, you know, the fucking older guys are like, everybody gets in the shower, god damn. And I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking to myself, Jesus Christ, I'm hope I'm not the fucking only one. And what I mean by that, you'll understand here in just a fucking minute. Because in fucking, in eighth grade, I was just one of the few that still didn't have any fucking hair on his cock. Well, god damn it I fucking climbed into the showers as a fucking freshman we're talking a freshman team a jv team and a fucking varsity of 150 some kids I'm the only fucking kid that climbed into a single fucking hair in his cock now talk about it was just we're talking about like just it my skin

was burning because i was so fucking embarrassed yeah right and and then of course you know i was the last one in there because i was scared to death there's no fucking towels so now i'm fucking i got running around with a fucking little hairless fucking dick and I can't even find a towel to cover myself up, you know. And anyway, I mean, literally that that fucking that's experience. It fucking it burned inside me so deeply. I mean, I remember it disappeared for out of my memory bank for years. And then when I got older, I started to realize, you know, holy shit. Yeah, I was a fat little kid.

I fucking, and I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't know fucking bad stories. I wasn't molested. I wasn't, there was no fucking problems. I was just a fucking, I was a glutton for fucking cookies and ice creams all of a sudden. But that kind of shit right there, that's the stuff that fucking, you know, I got picked on. You know, I was scared of my own shadow, but what it came down to was, I had to fucking work my ass off just to keep my head above water.

And so I'm fucking going to school running before practice. I'm doing all these things just trying to be average. Right. And that's the fucking shit right there that made me who i am because the bottom line is you you put me across from another man and i'll fucking outwork his ass that's just the bottom line i may not fucking win but i'll fucking outwork you and that right there is what made me who i am and all the things that you go through all the fucked up shit that happens to you that you think is life fucking altering in a negative way it's life altering in a fucking good way you just don't know it yet so i think that's a good way to look at it yeah that's fuck yeah man and now that i've actually fucking made something for myself i'm so fucking happy to go around and

pull my pants down so to speak so to speak, so everybody can see. So everybody can see. You got hair on your cock now. That's right. Well, actually, to be totally honest, I shave the motherfucker now. That's ironic. From fucking 15 to 49, Jesus Christ, nothing's changed.

I'm just a bit of a fat fucker. Now I'm yoked. I wish that hair would grow all over my cock. That's right. nothing's changed. I'm just a bit of a fat fucker. Now I'm yoked. I wish that hair would grow all over my collar. That's right. Now I've got to use a fucking weed whacker to get all this fucking hair off me. You know? Yeah, that's good. But it's my lady.

She's like, Jesus Christ, let's fucking cut some of that shit down. The tree always looks bigger when you remove the bushes from around the... is like jesus christ you know let's fucking cut some of that shit you know what's the the tree always looks bigger when you remove the bushes from around the oh of course of course you know and let's be honest man there's not a fucking guy on the planet that wishes you didn't have a bigger cock you know yeah well i gotta tell you that i gotta be on that level i've been you know between strong man between fucking wrestling and bodybuilding, I've been in a lot of situations

with naked dudes. You go to get sprayed, spray tan before a IFBB show, you're talking 20, 30 dudes at a world level yoked out of their gourds, walking around butt naked,

possibly a fucking sock on their cock you know you know so but let me tell you i have seen a couple of fucking dudes and i swear to christ it it looks like a fucking baby's arm holding an apple you know it's got a fucking it's got a fucking joint you know it's like it's got a it's like it's like what the fuck what what is that that's not supposed to be attached to a person what happens to that thing when blood flows to it oh jesus christ yo fuck you know it's like holy shit how do you control that thing when it gets upset you know man i mean we're really coming out heavy hitting yeah i didn't think we'd get to like the pants down part until maybe a little bit you gotta listen man it's just like a fucking wrestle

match you've got to come out you've got to do something big to get their attention baby you gotta get you gotta get the attention right up front then you gotta kind of let the crowd cool off a little bit and you fucking get them back up again. You know, that's, that's the way it's got to go. You did touch on it there. And I, for anyone that doesn't, uh, know about you as well as we do, you've been IFBB bodybuilding pro, professional strong man, professional wrestler. And those are the three careers that you all took to the level that, uh, a lot of people try for many years just to get to that level in any one of

those things. You went there and all three, what, what's the order there? What's, what were you into first? And like, what was the succession there? Cause I'm not, yeah, that's a fucking great question, brother. I'll go, I got to tell you a lot of things in my fucking life just kind of happened as they were supposed to, because strong man was my first career because that's a young man's fucking, I, I, at 49, I couldn't be competing at high level.

It's Trump. No fucking way. I mean, there's a few people on the planet like Nick best, you know, right. But, and we're talking about,

you know, we're talking about, you'll see one of these people come along every few hundred years. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. so you almost can't you almost yeah you can't even really count nick into and i know nick well i mean we competed together he was coming in when i was coming out um anyway but uh but bottom line is is that my straw man groups first and i was one of those guys that you know even that even when i was a fucking pathetic little hairless hairless cock motherfucker i still had some fucking decent strength about me i was the

as a junior in high school i was the second guy in my class uh to squat 405 which was pretty fucking good for you know you know and and so you know basically i i was always fairly strong um didn't always look at which is this is where my story kind of developed so i you know as i told you i'm working my ass off and i'm fucking getting strong and i'm getting big but i was one of those guys that think fuck that's a big guy and then you see him lift you're like fuck he is so much stronger than he looks yeah and it was dude it was fucking crazy man my buddies and i you know i was up in college up in portland oregon and we would uh by my junior and senior year it was just so evident

that i was so much stronger than everybody else we would just go into random fucking gyms you know and this has been like fucking 1991 you know and uh you know we put fucking you know four plates on you know i'd fucking knock that off for fucking 30 reps on a squat and people are like what the fuck is going on here yeah there are many people are coming and grabbing the fucking plates like these these are fucking real plates. No shit, you know? And then, you know, because nobody had ever seen anything like that before. Nobody was doing heavy fucking sets for high reps.

Well, you know, in, in my mind, I always, even as a fat little fucker, I, I mean,

granted, if I was accepted, I probably would have had a different outlook, but I was not really accepted. So I was always marching to the beat of my own drummer because I didn't I couldn't go hang out with the fucking crowd. You know what I mean? So I made my way. OK. And I did that with training, too. So I was always the fucking guy. OK, well, shit, man. You know, four or five is such a big number. When I was a junior, I just kept thinking, well, I just want to squat it more.

How many more times can I squat it? So, you know, I had all these like four, I had four plates, five plates, six plates, seven plates. How many times could I squat it? Those were my, my challenges, right? Now granted the six and the seven place didn't come in until later when I was doing straw man. But you know, ultimately I was fucking one of those guys that i was so much stronger than i looked and but keep in mind i look in the mirror i'm still the fucking fat little boy i haven't developed mentally even closer always physically and so finally one of my fucking buddies um he's my training partner for years i was in probably mid to late 20s he was like

dude it fucking pisses me off how strong you are but why are you not doing something with this every time we go to a gym nobody can touch you on any lift why are you not doing something with this and i was like i remember at that, I just started fucking kind of like looking into amateur straw man contests. And I was like, fuck, this is the guy I've been competing with my whole fucking life. He is one of my best friends still. And he's like, look, he goes, I can't do it. You can. Will you go do this, please?

And I'm like, fuck. All right. So I went and did my first straw man contest and uh did no shit you know just showed up and uh they should have thought they thought i was in the wrong spot they're like because even even i always look like a fucking bodybuilder you know i weighed in at like two i was just barely the 275 class but you know fucking with abs you know willie wessels was uh you know, fucking with apps, you know, Willie Wessels was, uh, you know, this was back when Nash was one and Willie was like, dude, the bodybuilding contest is not here. And I'm like, no, I'm here to, anyway. So I won that contest and Willie was like, dude, you never competed before. You need to go get your pro card. So I listened to him, told, took his advice,

went and bought my pro card, you pro card a handful of months later. So now two contests in, I'm pro. Don't know shit, but I was just so fucking strong. I was able to kind of manage. And so then as a pro, I went to my first pro qualifier. Because, I mean, fuck, who doesn't want to go to World's Strongest Man? Jesus Christ. Absolutely.

I mean, I just wanted to get on TV. It was like fucking a, you know, get on TV. So I went, I went to my first pro qualifier and I had to place in the top five to, to, to qualify for pro nationals, which I did. So my fourth ever fucking showman contest, I got fucking Phil Fisser, you know, in the lane and the fucking lane next to me you know i'm like holy shit and you know none of these guys knew who the fuck i was you know i mean they're all very cool but they were just they're basically you know some of the events

i like overhead the truck pulls and the squatting and deadlifts maybe i was fucking just crushing but they knew they're just waiting for me to hang myself on the events i didn't know how to do right and that's exactly what happened i think i placed eighth which still for a fucking fourth ever contest eighth in the fucking eighth in the country was pretty fucking good you know and uh so at that point i didn't go to i didn't make it a world's strongest man but i did did get a lot of travel invites after that. It was almost like an A team and a B team. Top five went to World's Strongest Man, and then the six through ten went to a team competition in the Bahamas. So I went there.

Did well there. Got invited to Hugo Girard's North American Championship end of my first year and i won that motherfucker so my only pro fucking win as a strong man was my rookie fucking season and i was thinking to myself fuck i got this made man i'm fucking good well little did i know it's that's not that fucking easy jesus christ you know i you, you always get those fucking flashes of fucking greatness, but you can't, you don't have, you don't get those every time you show up, you know? So anyway, I mean, I, from that point forward, I mean, I was, I was established, I was still learning. I was traveling a ton. I went to Willie Wessel's place a lot. Um,

I traveled to a lot of, a lot of older pros to them to kind of help me understand how to fucking do this shit. And everybody was really cool. And by that time, we were traveling together. So it was a great fucking great career, man. I can't fucking come here. This is a really interesting little side note that just tells you how bad I wanted it. So it was right at the tail end of my rookie season. I fucking hurt my back training deadlifting. And I didn't realize how severe it was at the time, but I

fucking ruptured a disc. Well, I competed on that fucking disc my whole goddamn career. I ended up rupturing another one right at the tail end of my career and uh so when i go and get surgery they're like yeah you you've got one that's been ruptured it looks like it's been here for five six years and i was like fuck i remember that injury i just didn't know so but the kind of pain that i was in was brutal but i didn't give a shit i was where i wanted to be you're fucking kid you could have put a gun to my head and i wasn't going to stop and uh you know of course unfortunately you start dealing with fucking painkillers and all the shit that comes along with staying at the high level but

fuck man at that point i was trading my fucking soul to stay where i was because you know finally the fucking fat little boy with no hair in his cock fucking made it to the top you know and so anyway so i had a fucking ripping career with stroman i loved every fucking minute strength is my true love but uh and at that point this was also during the dot-com boom i don't know if you guys remember that was just fucking money everywhere startup companies so i was actually making some decent money because i was who had looked you know i had uh an energy drink an energy drink that fucking energy drink never even never even made it to the market but they were all i had to do is wear their t-shirt i was a write-off they paid me three grand a month you know it's like are you fucking kidding me so i mean i had a number of i had a number of sponsors where i was making money. I mean, it wasn't like retirement money, but it was pretty fucking cool.

And I had an agent because I had done some commercials and shit. Like I had – I actually did a Super Bowl commercial. It was 2006 Super Bowl. I was pulling a bus. It was called Sports Heaven ESPN commercial. Anyway, so that kind of shit was coming up so i had an agent and when i when i ended up doing my second ruptured disc i went in to have a look at in there like look we're gonna fix this but if you continue to do what you do you're gonna be

done my agent's like well if you want to continue to make money you're gonna have to stop this so what are we gonna do he goes pro wrestling i'm like what fuck man i was like i was never in a fucking pro wrestling fan i just like watching you know the ultimate warrior was my i loved him because he was just a big yoked up motherfucker i had no clue what they were doing in there i just couldn't wait for him to flex his muscles you know i mean just to give you an idea of how removed i was from a wrestling match and how it worked, I thought when I first started looking into being a pro wrestler, I thought you were a 10 count to be out.

It's a three count. Oh, yeah. Right, right. That's fucking boxing for Christ's sake. Yeah, that's like boxing, right? Yeah. Anyway, so long and short of it is I went to this school where they teach you how to do it um out of like a three-month fucking crash course um my agent made a fucking completely false resume

saying that i knew what i was doing yeah it sounds like an agent that's looking out yeah oh fuck yeah man he wanted to make some money too. Yeah. Send it over to Japan because we knew there's no fucking way I was with as green as I was. I was going to get exposed. So I needed to go to Japan because they call it strong style where they're much more rough in the ring. So it would cover up the fact that I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, you know? Because in American style wrestling, you've got to hit somebody without because in american style wrestling you've got to hit somebody that actually hitting them and you got to make it look like it was real there's a bit of an art to that i wasn't fucking developing this art in three fucking months you know so but what

i could do is understand how to fucking move around in there and fucking knock people down and that's what i learned so i ended up doing you know i'm sure you guys have seen the way that wrestling works you fucking these guys well it's called the indie circuit it's high school gyms you know 30 40 fucking toothless people and fucking seats you know and so i ended up having to do about five of these because i've you know you have to get fucking experience and you have to get had to get footage so i did a handful of those matches my agent gets me a fucking deal in japan my seventh ever wrestling fucking match it was a pay-per-view in fucking kyoto japan i was like fuck here i go again this is the same fucking thing

you know i'm fucking scared to death man it reminded me of showing up to pro nationals, you know, fucking Phil to my left in the fucking land of farmer's walk. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? I was watching this guy on TV last year. Now I'm fucking in the arena right fucking next to him, you know? Well, same thing with fucking wrestling. The difference was I didn't know who the fuck these people were. So I just went out and fucking did my thing knock people down and flex my muscles and it was enough so next thing you know i'm fucking

a pro wrestler and uh it was fucking brutal man i have i mean fuck i remember popping a bicep loose in the middle of a 15 minute match about three three minutes deep. And you can't stop. It's televised. So I basically, I mean, can you imagine doing what you've got to do in there for about 12 fucking minutes when you just, you knew you completely popped your bicep off. No. Yeah. But that's it. But that's the thing. I mean, it's, it's fucking, it's yes, it's predetermined, but the fucking shit is brutal, man. It was fucking, it beat me up, it's predetermined, but the fucking shit is brutal, man. It was fucking, it beat me up, man. God damn.

But, uh, it was pretty killer. I mean, Jesus Christ, to be able to walk out in front of 50,000 fucking people. It's just like, holy shit. Where did the fucking, where did the fucking fat kid with their hair in his cock fucking pull, how did he pull this off? You know? And so, yeah. parents cock fucking pull how did he pull this off you know and so yeah so anyway so i did i i was uh i wrestled for fuck well let me give you a timeline so my last strawman competition was spring of 07 i was in the fucking i was in a match in the early part of 08. So less than a fucking, what, nine months,

I'm fucking switched from high-level strongman to high-level wrestling. It was fucking just like, and keep in mind, the wrestlers were not fucking happy because here's this fucking guy. They're grinding away, trying to get to that main event spot. And all of a sudden, I'm just fucking, this fucking guy just shows up. I mean, I don't fucking speak the language language i don't fucking know what's going on and i'm right in the fucking mix of it you know so i had a lot of fucking beefs with with some wrestlers along the way because they were trying to run me off you know they wanted me to fuck out of there you know so there are plenty of times in the ring where you you still have to carry out your outcome

but it gets fucking rough in there man you know so yeah so basically uh wrestling a fucking i ended up smoothing everything out having a fucking great career um ended up basically starting off with uh it's called igf um then ended up going to New Japan, which was the biggest company over there. Although I was also working for a company called Conseco Mundial in Mexico. So I was, because they were kind of, they were kind of sister companies. So they kind of passed me around like a fucking dirty dish towel, man. I was just, I mean, literally, I'd be in tokyo you know for a couple fucking matches and i get a fucking plan to go to mexico city you know it's like jesus christ you're

fucking flying me across the fucking world for three days and then go back yeah but that's just the way i was then keep in mind i don't i'm sounding like a fucking little bitch here because what is happening you feel real fucking important you know and that's really what it's all about you're you're getting shipped all over the place you're making fucking important you know and that's really what it's all about you're you're getting shipped all over the place you're making fucking money you got merchandise you can't complain and uh so anyway long fucking short man it was a great fucking career and then uh end of 2013 um just like anything else that fucking comes to his course you know a strong man i had an injury i

had to leave you know it was my best choice to leave fucking wrestling they just they just fucking don't renew you and you basically have to fucking walk away with tails between your legs because you don't want to fucking leave who wants to be told they have to leave you know i mean it doesn't make a difference if we're fucking hanging out watching a fucking ball game. If you tell me, hey, John, you got to get out of here. I don't like that. Let alone you tell me I got to get out of here and I don't get all this fucking crazy lifestyle and this big fucking paychecks anymore. That's even worse. You know, so anyway, I went home, you know, definitely had a hard time adjusting. You know, it was a few weeks of just, you know, just a hard time adjusting you know it's a few weeks of just you know

just feeling pretty lost but I knew at the same time the juice was still flowing so you know when I was in strongman I'd do interviews for so man you got the voice to be a wrestler so I'm a fuck I want to became a wrestler well then in wrestling wrestling, everybody's telling me, why do you not do bodybuilding? Well, fuck, so I came home, and I guess it's time to bodybuild. So I did my first ever bodybuilding contest in spring of 14. So, I mean, I didn't take much of a break there. So I got released in December 13. On the stage, late stage relates it was like

the last weekend of uh march so it's pretty pretty quick showed up here's a keep in mind it's a regional you know it's north northern california and uh i was already 42 at the time. So I went into the masters. I went into the open. I just wanted stage time. And, uh, I didn't really know what I was getting into because I, I just,

I didn't spend any time studying bodybuilding. It was just like, okay, this is the next step. I need to get myself in the best shape. I need to pick a contest. And when I win, I could go try to get my pro card.

Keep in mind, I've been sponsored my whole fucking career through both my careers. So I'm, you know, I got all sorts of sweatsuits with my fucking name on it and shit like that. So I come walking into this goddamn bodybuilding contest with an MHP fucking jumpsuit on. With my name under the fucking logo. And everybody thinks I'm the fucking guest poster. I'm like, no, I'm here to compete. I mean, the promoters knew who i knew i was coming to compete but everybody else thought i was the guest poser no this is this you know this this sweat jacket's from fucking

from my strongman crew like what it was even worse at that point you know i mean i'm just talking i'm just talking gibberish to these people anyway once i got on the stage that's when i realized the difference between me and the other guys was just it was just the gap was so big it was like oh my god i mean give me wrong i was still focused and fucking going hard but when the day's over and i start fucking looking back at the pictures I was like holy shit you know because in the moment you're focused on you you're not really looking around and uh but anyway I met uh I won that contest just fucking bam um kind of a funny side note when I went out with the masters you know you're getting guys that are you know their hobby they're fucking hobby bodybuilders

you know I mean guys have just barely got abs you know they they're hobby. They're fucking hobby bodybuilders. You know what I mean? Guys that just barely got abs. You know, they're fucking 42, 43 years old. And, you know, God bless them. But then you got fucking me. I weighed in at like fucking 262, you know. I was just a fucking mammoth. Just fucking, you know, strided glutes, you know. And anyway, so I end up meeting there i end up meeting

uh honey romba because he was a promoter that show and i didn't even know who he was at the time um he's telling me he's like hey man you you got a lot of potential it's your first show you need to do this you need to do that and my buddy that was there with me he goes you know that was i said no because that's honey romba who fucks that he goes, you know who that was? I said, no. He goes, that's Ronnie Romba. I said, who the fuck's that? He goes, that's the fucking, that's the coach, Phil Heath. I said, Phil Heath, Mr. Olympia Phil Heath. He said, yeah. I said, that fucking guy just came to give you some great advice and told you you got potential.

I just wasn't, I didn't know enough about the sport yet to know who the fuck anybody was. And so, then I thought, well, fuck, I guess here guess here we go again so i showed up to the fucking nationals i he what he told me was he said look he goes you got the usas and you got masters nationals and they're a week apart he goes basically what's going to happen is this because you're 42 you can go to masters nationals he goes because this is what's going to happen he goes you're going to get a bunch of guys that go to the usas that don't win that are 35 and they're going to show up at masters nationals so you're going to see half of the super heavyweight class from the usas at the masters nationals he goes you just go you compete in the 35s you compete in the 40s he goes you win either one of those you're pro and then you can compete in the open

he goes you're big enough you got the condition that's just then you're good he goes you win either one of those you're pro and then you can compete in the open he goes you're big enough you got the condition that's just then you're good he goes and you can come and compete in my show at the end of the year it was actually kind of make it because his show is local where i live so he was just trying to get another competitor into a show he was building but anyway so that's exactly what i did so i showed up to fucking nationals wiped out the 35s um and keep in mind I've competed down because I didn't really care about my age bracket I just needed some tough competition because I knew I was going to be competing but it's pros so I wiped out the 35s

and 35 divisions fucking tough I mean you got guys that that are just a skosh off a win in the USA's that are there two weeks later so now I'm fucking pro bodybuilder two fucking contests and uh again I didn't realize I didn't realize what a feat that was you know because I I did Dave Palumbo's podcast the next day he's like do you realize how many people myself included are really pissed off at you because you came into this sport? You came into this sport, and in six months, you turned pro. He goes, myself and lots of other guys spent their lives trying to turn pro, and we couldn't do it. You came in and did it in six months.

And at that point, I realized, holy shit, fucking A. And so I went and did my pro debut. fucking a and so i went did my my pro debut so my third ever bodybuilding contest was my pro debut and i placed i placed fifth so i podiumed in my first fucking pro in my pro third bodybuilding contest i mean some of the guys backstage they were like the europeans they wouldn't believe me they're like oh come on you know you know we haven't seen you before that's because my third show no no they wouldn't believe me you know it was like because it was pretty off it just just seems like a pretty fucking tall tale to tell you know that someone's at a pro bodybuilding contest competing and that's their third show well that was me and so anyway so that

was uh then i became a pro and started competing as a pro. Now, I'll be totally honest, fellas. You know, turning pro my second contest and placing top five in my third ever bodybuilding contest. That's about the peak of my bodybuilding career because those are pretty fucking cool things. You know, I'm 49 now. fucking cool things you know at 40 you know i'm 49 now but along the way you know i'm realistic enough to understand i wasn't going to be taking down phil heese during his pre you're doing during his prime you know i was i'm just i'm a fucking you know here again i'm just a fucking fat kid didn't have any hair in his cock and i fucking find myself doing all this pro thing. So I was happy as hell, you know? And so bodybuilding has been a great thing.

I love it. What really, what I really started to enjoy with bodybuilding is I started to really get so aggressive with understanding the diet. Now it's like my dining practices are fucking crazy. I mean, now when I coach people in my diet, I mean, it's crazy. People in my diet, um, I mean, it's, it's crazy people that, you know, they need to lose weight. Like, I can't believe I'm eating this much. I have this much energy. I'm dropping this much body fat and my bench press is going up

every week. I mean, it's, it's again, going back to the fact that I've always done things my way, my dieting is the same fucking thing. You know, my deep water method, right, it's an organic development of my own nutrition. Now, you go back in the timeline far enough. It was originally developed because I couldn't stop fucking overeating. And I needed to develop a way for me to get fucking strong and not get fucking fat if I overate because I couldn't stop myself from over. I was going to overeat every day, probably three or four times. So how could I manage that and still get what I wanted?

Well, that's where my deep water method came on, came together with just ludicrous amounts of protein because that's what i would eat i mean i started eating fuck i started eating four plus pounds of flesh from the time i was about 21 years old no you know i i sort of got i mean now and now my wife fucking just she just just like you know you have no idea how much you eat. You know, I, I probably eat from a cook standpoint. I probably eat six to seven pounds of flesh a day. Right. We'll do the math on that. Do the math on that from a cooks,

from uncooked, which is the way most people measure. You lose about 30% when you cook. So it's a fucking, a lot of fucking flesh, man. But again, a lot of, but again, it's all developed because it's really was going back to the beginning of our

talk. That's what I was basically solving problems. I was finding ways to get around all of my shortcomings and all the problems that I had developed and all the problems that I had, I had to create methodologies to deal with those. And that's, I mean, again, the fact that I was, you know, would eat till I couldn't fucking breathe. It turned out to be one of my biggest blessings. The fact that I had to do all the extra work turned out to be my biggest

blessing, you know? And so so it's it's pretty fucking cool fellas i gotta tell you i'm i often kind of pinch myself and say you know what and i shit you not if we were sitting at a table and i was 19 years old and my hands were on a fucking cutting board and I meet Cleaver my right fucking hand right if God came down and sat next to me and said listen you cut off one of your fingers you can be a pro bottom miller

there's the first one just like that because I mean at that point I was there was nothing I wouldn't fucking sacrifice holy shit man that was just a test. You didn't really have to do it. Yeah, you dumb fucker. You dumb son of a bitch.

You weren't supposed to do that, God damn it. This was supposed to be a fucking lesson. But instead, God says, okay, you tough little bastard. If you cut off another one, you could be a pro straw man. There goes number two you know i would have literally i would have made the sacrifices necessary to do any one of the three things that i did and just the fact that my path led me to all three i mean jesus christ it mean, I, again, one of you guys said earlier, many people try their whole lives to get to the hot, to the level that I've been in any one thing. And I've done it in three. Now granted that the difference is I've made it to the highest level, but I haven't been the best at the highest level, you know? So I definitely like

to be honest with myself and with people that that you know look at what i've done because there's a difference between being competitive as a pro and being a world champion there's a big fucking difference you know what i mean right so but again i didn't think i was capable of any of it so i'll fucking take it you know so but i'll tell you on that level jesus christ man i've had a lot of fucking drug addiction i've had a lot of fucking a lot of shit that i've had to go through and it keep in mind it was it wasn't like it was like uh you know wasn't like i was one of those guys fucking run around doing cocaine it was you know you're busting your ass and you get hurt and you go get fucking fixed. I've had multiple surgeries and you get fixed and then you got to have the drug to go to your rehab and then go back to, you know, to get

back to fucking work. And a lot of times you get back to work and you realize I, you question, And a lot of times you get back to work and you realize I, you question, even though you could, I questioned if I could perform without it. Because at that point, you're not taking the drug for pain anymore. You're taking the drug to feel normal. Right? Well, you've got to be this fucking personality that's over the top. And you're just fucking quaking inside because you feel like you're going to fucking throw up if you don't take that pill. You know what I mean?

So, you know, it's definitely, you know, there's a lot of, I guess you'd say, the backside, the stuff that you don't see that goes into all of this. And, you know, even like with wrestling especially, you know, you got, everybody sees the shows, they see the t-shirts, they see all this shit. What they don't see is the fucking four or five hour fucking goddamn plane rides and fucking tour bus rides and all the shit you got to do for that 10 minutes in the fucking ring. You know what I mean?

So there's a lot of stuff that goes on, you know, but I mean, here's a perfect example. A lot of guys end up fucking really hurting themselves or die from end up you're getting hurt getting hooked on fucking pills and coming back and this listen to this this is exactly what happens to many guys it happened to me thank god i'm still hard to tell the story so i popped my bicep loose i told you

about that right and uh i had basically i had six exact fucking weeks to get fixed and back in the ring in japan and uh my surgeon was like you're not even about your sling in six weeks yes i am i said you need to fix me in a way that i can get back there so he did some kind of crazy shit to make it extra strong. And it was, I mean, my rehab to get back to the ring was brutal, man. Fucking brutal. And I was taking Oxycontin, which is just straight up devil. I mean, that stuff should not be fucking old. That should not be a medication, you know.

Anyway, so, you know, and then when I come back to work and everybody knows I had an injury and I got a fucking pocket full of fucking Oxycontin, everybody in the fucking tour bus is fucking partying, you know and then when i come back to work and everybody knows i had an injury and i got a fucking pocket full of fucking oxycontin everybody in the fucking tour buses and fucking partying you know it's like oh fuck yeah it's like well everybody you know fuck any we don't we'd all share so it wasn't like you know but anyway so i'm taking and at that point i mean i'll be honest man i was taking like 80 milligram fucking tablets of that shit which is i mean you you give that to a normal person you'd have to fucking call 9-1-1 you know i mean it's just way too much you know but they you know as your tolerance gets higher you take more so i had basically taken my own pain meds on this tour well towards the end of the tour

you know the doctor is kind of looking at everybody seeing okay well shit is is he going to be able to get out there and do his job you know we're fucking coming to the big shows at the tour so when you're basically you're when when you're one match away you're kind of staged up and that's where you see the doctor and uh he's kind of looking at you and figuring out if you need something. Because his job is to make sure you can go do your job. And he's like, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm fucking tired.

Next thing you know, I feel this fucking poke in my goddamn lower glute just below my trunks. Because keep in mind, I'm just fucking wearing a little bikini. His fucking assistant fucking gave me a shot. I'm like, fuck, what was that? He was like he was oh just make sure you can get through the match and i'm thinking myself oh fuck he just gave me a fucking painkiller i'm fucking riding the edge on this fucking 80 milligram and i'm like holy shit so i'm like Adrenaline B-Bottle. Get out there. My music hits. I go out. Boom. You know, I feel fucking great, you know. And then next thing you know, you know, they're doing, they're announcing us and getting ready to go.

And I'm like, holy shit, I'm slowing down here. And it was like, I was like really starting to fucking slow down to the point where I was like, Jesus Christ, I hope I'm going to stay awake. Well, thank God I did. But literally, it was one of those really fucking hard-hitting matches to where it actually helped me because there was a couple of spots where it was moving fast. But I was so fucking, forgive the term, fucking stoned. Everything was moving slow.

Had I not been in that situation where adrenaline was pumping, fuck, who knows if I'd end up, because that happens to a lot of guys. The doctors will give them something. They're already taking their own meds. The doctors don't know it. They just fucking turn their lights out.

They just fucking fall asleep, and they'll wake up. It's fucking scary shit. Yeah. John, you've had no shortage of experiences in your, uh, 49 years. I think we've just scratched.

Yeah. I know. Like, I think like, uh, uh, someday long from now, when you're on your deathbed,

you'll be able to look on it with a pretty good smile on your face. Knowing that you didn't, you didn't really miss out on anything. Here's the best. Here's the best part. You know, the fact that on anything. Well, fellas, here's the best. Got left on the table. Here's the best part. The fact that we want people to listen to this and not be over-the-top offended. We're telling stories that can be told here with you guys. If we were in a different show, we could be going into a whole new set of stories here.

Right, right, right. in a different show we could be going into a whole new set of stories here but which of the you know which of those three and i know there's a lot of different ways to look at it though but uh which of those three careers was is is or was the most challenging for you that's a great fucking question and my answer to that is probably not going to be terribly exciting but it's the fucking truth is basically what it comes down to is what you're seeing is my philosophy of life in these three careers and i live this way in my normal life too i put myself in these positions and and keep in in mind, I, like I said, I do it outside of these three careers where I purposely fucking scare the shit out of myself because you're willing to do things you wouldn't do when you're comfortable. And so each career, because I landed

in them so fucking quickly, I dealt with the same thing. I was scared to death because I wanted to succeed. I was, you know, I was, I was in really, I was in the fastest moving current of each one of these endeavors. So fucking fast. It was all I could do to keep my head above water. And then once you keep your head above water, you're able to do better. And so ultimately, they all had their own challenges. And from my perspective, they all felt the same. Now, let's go from a slightly, let's answer that from a different way so we actually get an answer for you. From the challenging standpoint, I would say wrestling was hands down the, don't get me wrong, fucking Strongman was a fucking beautiful experience.

And there was all sorts of distractions in Strongman. But wrestling was just, it was just a different world, man. It's like, you know, the, you know, there's just so much at your disposal. You know, women, you know, drugs, money, whatever you wanted to do was there. And I think that was probably the hardest thing was to not derail my career because you see it happen all around you. I mean, you got guys that are just, they're at the top.

And then next thing you know, they fucked around with, you know, a drug or some women a little bit too fucking long. And their career is not climbing anymore. And here's the thing. And that's for, which is that sport, sport entertainment. By the time you realize your career is not climbing anymore, it's actually been declining for a while. It's just you've been so fucking blind from the shit you had your, your nose buried in, so to speak. So I think that was probably the hardest because I knew that, you know, I, I didn't have a long time in that, in that career. And I knew that I wanted to milk every bit of it that I could, but it was very, very challenging to not

give in to the things that came along the opportunities that came along with that you know and then i fuck strongman kind of similar to that too because he's strong man when i was in social media wasn't around right so you could fucking go to europe and you could do whatever the fuck you wanted and nobody was going to know about it nobody was going to take a video of you and throw it on uh dude i'm telling you yeah i mean now it's a fucking different world i mean it's such a different world i mean you you would go you could go over to europe for a couple of weeks and you come home and literally what was in europe stayed in europe unless you fucking told somebody because that's just how disconnected it was. Now with social media, that changed the game.

So social media just started to kind of break loose in my, in my wrestling career, which then kind of helped me make the right decisions because, you know, keep in mind all this fucking happened and I've got kids, you know what I mean? And my wife, she's been with me just about the whole time. And I got to tell you, this is a tough fucking bitch because she has gone through.

And I give her all the fucking props. I mean, literally I just spoil the shit out of her now because I look, I think back and I think, God damn, I was such a fucking dick you know in the it was i didn't really knowingly i wasn't knowingly a dick it was just the space that you're in because you're so focused on trying to do what you're doing

and it's really you just it's just ultimate selfishness is what it is you know and uh you know basically she you know like in my wrestling career i'd be gone fucking two three weeks she's taking care of the kids she's taking care of our fucking house our fucking rentals everything running the front everything i come home right and of course she misses me but then i'm just this fucking big beat-up mess that she's got a fucking nurse back to help and fucking send back out on the road, you know? And so she was just working. I mean, just, just when I say working, she doesn't have a job, but she just,

just holding everything together was really fucking tough, you know? And I got to tell you, I'm, I'm really, we have such a killer relationship and I'm very thankful that, that we made it through all of that. And even with like some of the, you know, you know, some of the fucking, you know, painkiller addictions I went through, she had to go through that shit with me. You know, I mean, there's a few times, I mean, so think like this, right? Yeah, we're in fucking Starbucksbucks we drop our kids off at school we're fucking starbucks i take too big of a fucking dose next thing you know i'm like fucking falling asleep head down on the fucking table in the middle of starbucks

it's like come on honey we got to get you in the car well i can barely fucking walk you know it's like that stuff is just fucking not okay. And it's fucking embarrassing. But, you know, it was just little bits and pieces. But she had to deal with shit like that, you know. And so long and short of it is, you know, all of the all three careers were very challenging in their own very different way. But I think the wrestling career was probably the one that just about put the fucking one-two punch on my lady so i think judging her judging her is probably the best way to answer the question i think that's a good answer yeah yeah because when you know when i came alone and started bodybuilding you know i mean granted we went when i came home we went through a lot of shit too because it's like you know i was not used to being home you know and she wasn't used to me being home and it was

like you know we went through a lot of there was a lot of trials and tribulations that so when i finally settled in into bodybuilding and you know then things kind of smoothed out a little bit but yeah i mean it's it's been a fucking wild ride for sure fellas you know john we've got this game we play with each guest uh that was probably a good time to hop into it if it works for you we call it oh fuck yeah bro lay it on me overrated underrated so we've got a special uh john anderson series of topics here where we'll shoot them over to you and you just got to let us know whether they're underrated or overrated.

So you just want me to say are we doing it right now? Like verbally under overrated boom right now? Yep, we'll do it right now. But you can elaborate. Let's go man. You're allowed to elaborate as much or as little as you want on each one. Usually you give us your answer

and let us know why it's your answer. I like it. Let's go. Topic number one. Over you give us your answer and let us know why it's your answer. Okay. I like it. Let's go. All right. Topic number one, overrated or underrated traps. Oh shit.

Well, I mean, this, and for anyone that hasn't seen a picture or doesn't, if you haven't seen John Anderson, go make sure to check them out on Instagram or just google him right now john your traps are ridiculous you gotta set on yeah right well you know the thing about it is is i guess so i'd have to say under or overrated i would say overrated because they they get more attention than they're worth you know and what i mean by that is is it's it's like there you know it's it's a fucking muscle and it gets it's here's the thing everybody and i mean fucking everybody is gonna i shouldn't say

everybody people are always looking for a way to take a shot at somebody right and so my traps is the you know is the first thing that's easy for people to fucking hit because when this whole synthol thing broke fucking loose, that's when everybody, oh, yeah, it's synthol, synthol, synthol, synthol. Well, you look at these fucking synthol freaks, like YouTube synthol freaks, you're talking about a normal fucking guy that weighs 160 pounds that's got a fucking bicep that looks like a fucking watermelon that's synthol now yeah so when you look like if you look at like my videos and you see when i move a muscle with synthol will not actually have a striation or some sort of a movement to it it's just a fucking blob so it always fucking kills me when people get into uh synth all this synth all that blah blah blah so i think it's when i say overrated this is because they've got fucking far more attention than they ever deserve i think that's the fair

answer yeah okay overrated or underrated three wheelers threewheelers interesting i i would say i would say god damn i could split on that but i i would say they're overrated when i say overrated because three-wheelers when my when i think of three-wheelers i think of the good old fucking 1986 fucking honda three-wheelers and i have i have two of them in my fucking house in Mexico and everybody gets all fucking finished. Oh my God. People die on those. People die walking across the fucking street. Shut the fuck up, man.

It's also got one more wheel on it than a motorcycle does. Jesus Christ. I grew up on one of these motherfuckers. The one I grew up on didn't even have any fucking shocks. It was just a big fucking bubble tire. you know people get all fucking bent out of shape about you're gonna fucking die in a three-wheeler jesus christ you could fucking die crossing the street shut the fuck up for what it's worth i love three wheels oh yeah and it's like it's like

oh i think i think of that red honda like that's like the three-wheeler. I got two of them. One of my friends had two of them too. It was the thing. Dude, they're fucking sick, man. When we bought our place in Mexico, I was looking for fucking ATVs to go on the beach because we're on a fucking beach. So I started looking at the local fucking Facebook marketplace. I was like, I can't fucking believe how many three-wheelers are down here.

This is fucking crazy. And then even better, there were like 500 bucks. I was like, Jesus Christ. So I picked up a couple of those motherfuckers right away. Do yours fire? Will they fire up when you go to use them? You know, it depends on how long it's been. Like usually we go there

pretty often uh we're what's been about fuck it's probably been six eight months um no about six months since we've been there because we're moving and getting settled into our our new house so we're having done but when this house is done we'll go back and forth probably monthly oh yeah so when you're when if they've been run in 30 days you just fucking fire right up yeah you know and here's the best thing about it here's the best thing about it they're fucking killer they're i mean we as we just start we love them they're fucking honda so you just i mean they're 200 so they're not big enough for me i can take one of these motherfuckers down on the beach run the fucker hot wide fucking

open it'll get so hot it'll stop running right so i just get off the thing and go get in the water for a little while wait for it to fucking cool off come back and it'll fucking kick fucking second kick it'll start right back up and i'll run it till it fucking till it dies because it got too hot again i mean you can't beat that you know you can't kill it if you tried you know and and just for the record it can't kill me either because i know how to ride it but you can't you gotta love those i mean that you can't go wrong with a fucking 1986 fucking honda three-wheeler, baby. Come on, baby. Amen. Overrated or underrated flat caps?

Flat caps. What do you say flat? I'm not getting a picture in my mind. You might call it something different. I've seen you wearing some before. It's almost like, I don't know if you've ever seen Peaky Blinders, but some people call it like a soft cap. it's a hat you wear on your head and kind of like european looking yeah it doesn't have like a bill that comes out really yeah and a lot of times like

they're made out of wool or whatever and like they're kind of got oh you're talking you're oh yeah yeah yeah okay okay yeah you're talking about yeah i wear those fuckers all the time what do you what do you call that i guess i fuck i don't know i call it we were talking about before this and tanner said the same thing i'm like i don't know what the hell that is and then i'm like yeah i guess it's just like a hat but i don't know what it is it's i don't honestly if i answer this one i want to give it the most fucking props possible so what do we say under or over under i fucking i love that i fucking love those motherfuckers dude i said only fucking problem i got is my goddamn head is so fucking big that i have a hard time finding these fucking things that fit me but yeah no i love those motherfucking things oh yeah you know because here's the thing

they put a little swag on a person they're a little fancier than a baseball cap or you know like my fucking my my father-in-law came to visit a while back and i was like dan all right here's a deal you know we're going somewhere you're gonna have to fucking wear this hat you know and i gave him one you know and he's fucking love it he wore it all the time he's wearing the house you know because once someone puts it on they get that vibe they get that swagger you know and so but yeah no i i think those things i love i love those things you know i take and put a pair of what i like to do is i'll put a pair of my versace fucking sunglasses on with the big fucking metal motherfucking thing on the side you know and then you got one of those fucking caps on you know it's just

it's just like my wife says I look like a porn star yeah it's bad for sure you know what I would say like and John I don't know I don't want to insult you if you've ever worn a you're never you're never never gonna insult me brother don't you worry

I don't know that it would but it's kind of like people that wear a fedora it's kind of what they want to look like but people that wear a fedora always look a little douchey to me where you can wear a cap like you gotta fucking i gotta tell you i've actually i've here's the thing a fedora you gotta fucking be you gotta be a fucking stud to wear a fucking fedora. And I have tried many fucking occasions to find, because if you're going to wear one, you got to pull it down low, and you got to look like a little bit of a low rider to wear that motherfucker. But here's the thing.

I mean, if I had one that I could get down low off of my head, I would probably give it a ride. But I got to tell you you gotta be you gotta have some fucking confidence that you could wear that motherfucker well because the bottom line is i mean jesus christ sometimes you see these motherfuckers wearing the four hours like you just don't know what quite what to say don't do that man yeah it's like it's like you know you it's like what you it's like you go like you see it and you want to say something but you don't do that man yeah it's like it's like you know you it's like what you it's like you go like you see it and you want to say something but you don't even know what to say just it's not good and that's when you realize and that's that's when you realize okay sometimes it's just better not to

say anything because you know but yeah i fucking love those hats, bro. God damn it. I love them. Yes. Overrated or underrated? We know you're a man that appreciates a good cigar. So overrated or underrated Swisher Sweets? I fucking love it. Well, if someone doesn't fucking know cigars, you know then it's because the thing about a swish or sweet is that's a fucking cigar that a fucking high school kid like i smoked those in a fucking

high school because when you didn't know they were fucking they were the best you know i mean so but then once you get a little further down the path and you start to understand what a cigar is then you realize those motherfuckers are so far over it. They shouldn't even be great flavor. They shouldn't even be in existence. You know? I mean, if you can buy a fucking pack of fucking cigars,

like if you can buy like 30 fucking cigars for what I pay for one of mine, that thing should not have been rolled, you know? Or if there's a piece of wood attached to the end of it. There's a wood chip. You know the wood chip. That's sign number one

that it's not a good cigar. That's it. That's good. Great news, John. You passed overrated, underrated's we're excited to let you know that i love it i think that's a cool little section to show yep we always have fun with that one and uh thinking now too there there's something when we we told a couple of our listeners that you're going to be on and someone brought up a really good point uh and we kind of

talked about your your time on the power cost Powercast that first time many years ago. And a really memorable thing that you talked about that they brought up was your hemorrhoid issue that you had talked about at the time. And they wanted to know an update. Like, did you find a miracle? How are things going? And did you find a miracle? How are things going? Did you find a miracle?

The thing with the fucking hemorrhoids is they always fucking come when you least expect it. It's like, God damn it. But basically what I've found is, again, going back to my bodybuilding, I've really been doing a lot with diet, especially since I started coaching diet. I've gotten so good at it so now i basically am able to use flax seeds to keep my fucking dumps to where they're just the consistency i'm looking for you know where i don't have to get in the shower you know when i'm done taking a dump occasionally you know you know it's like you know you know you know it's perfect sometimes when you go yeah when you fucking go and for the like you know you know you know it's perfectly sometimes when you go yeah when you fucking go in for the first wipe and you're like oh god if the second one looks

like the first one there's not going to be a third you know well just recent so yeah and so so basically you know i don't clean from dry paper. That's it. Yeah. This is going to be a fucking shower with the fucking wands going around the corner. Yeah. You know? So ultimately, the hemorrhoid situation, ultimately, I only fucking get them when I'm in that final fucking approach for a bodybuilding show, largely because I got to start pulling uh like because i'll use like uh i big one on using metamucil sugar-free metamucil or flax seeds and once i start i have to start pulling that stuff out which really has more to do with with keeping any sort of minor bloat at the

equation so you're slim in the midsection i swear to christ every time i get the that fiber out of my fucking diet it's not like i'm even there fucking you know having a wrestling match with a turd it just all of a sudden just fucking comes out of nowhere i'm like fuck where's that pain coming from and the problem is it's up in the fucking hole you know it's not easy to get to so like you got to take that you know you get what is it uh preparation h right that's the stuff you use for it we've ever seen when you open that fucking box and there's the tube and then there's like a two inch fucking white cone with fucking holes all around the sides what in the fuck are

you gonna do sticking that thing in your asshole i'm like i will gladly fucking cover my fucking finger with this shit and bury two knuckles in my asshole before i fucking stick that fucking white cone up here you know but yeah the hemorrhoid situation for those of you that are curious to know it's for the most part under control but motherfucker when they do come i hate to say it i gotta go fucking two knuckles two knuckles deep to get a fucking handle you know you say like the flaxseed and stuff you're talking so you're saying you eat it it's not a uh enema that you give it's not a not a you don't use it like ointment oh yeah i eat it yeah yeah yeah i take i take that i take the flaxseeds and i put a little fucking butter in it and I just start fucking rubbing it between my butt cheeks.

Cures it right up. Yeah, a little secret. Yeah, no, I use the flax seeds as a form of helping digestion, but this helps the fucking – nothing jams up coming out. That's a better way to put it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't want anyone to be confused when they were listening here. We'd have all kinds of people jamming flax seeds up their ass. Because when the last time I was on, when Silent Mike was still with Mark,

that's when I was telling him, come on, dude. Let me borrow your finger real quick. Because I just hot off the show. So I think i was actually competing somewhere close to them at the time so i had come and seen them the next day and so i was just nursing a fucking terrible one at the time you know see that's the one when you got one of those and you got to take a dump it's like oh god damn it worst thing in the world you gotta like it's like it's Worst thing in the world. It is honestly one of the worst things in the world. You're getting yourself amped up like you're going to do a fucking set of 50 fucking squats. It's like because you know the kind of pain that you're going to go through,

and you know you can do it, it just fucking hurts. Yeah. But, yeah, so the hemorrhoids. So for those of you out there that were that were wanting to know that i was okay i thank you sincerely thank you and they're just concerned oh i love it no that that's awesome john we uh that's great we really appreciate uh having you i think we learned a lot today. We learned a lot. And I think the biggest thing we learned is we're going to have to have you on again

another time because I do think we probably only just scratched the surface. Oh, yeah. 100% fellas. I was going to say, my thing is this. When I do a show with somebody, if they don't ask to have me come back,

I fucked up. Yeah. You know, because, because the bottom line is there's a lot of shit that we can talk about, but can you deliver the, can you deliver the information in a way that actually makes the fucking host want to have you come back?

So I appreciate the, the, the invite for the second show. I look forward to it, fellas. We'll go, we'll go a little deeper into some crevices that are a little darker

and a little scarier a little bit of deeper water that's it go into some deep dark water that's it so where do people find you on Instagram or if they want to know more about deep water and all that stuff where do people find you on Instagram or if they want to know more about Deepwater and all that stuff, where do people check you out at?

The best place – here's the thing. I'm glad you guys said that. I want to tell everybody who's listening that I'm in a place in my career now where I'm really, really happy fucking giving back. And what I mean by that is I spend a lot of time in my Instagram DMs, just that one, because it's easy to just manage one spot. But I go in there. People come in and ask questions and bullshit. I am there and I'm happy to answer questions and I'm happy to give you advice and inspire. So the best way to get a hold of me is my Instagram account in my DMs.

So my name is spelled a little fucked up. So it's John, J-O-N. And then my last name is Anderson, A-N-D-E-R-S-E-N. So at the John Anderson. And you'll know you're at the right fucking page because you're going to see some big fucking idiot. Most of the fucking posts, he's not wearing a fucking shirt and he's fucking flexing and he's

using all sorts of profanities but somehow some way it actually makes you want to get off the couch and do something so if i looked like you i don't think i'd wear a shirt well i'll tell you fellas i'll tell you now we we just moved into the desert to kind of get away from people. I mean, I love people, but at the same time, I also like to – I'm at that point now where I'm happy to have the isolation when I want it. And it's fucking great out here because it's warm. I don't fucking wear shoes. I don't wear fucking shirts.

It's crazy. I fucking love it. I mean, I have a gym right here in my fucking place. We're on a place. We got, we're on a lake. We got to have a pool put in. I only leave my fucking compound probably once a week. And when I do, I'll put on flip-flops. I don't want, so shirts, highly overrated. Underwear, highly overrated. Socks, no fucking way. Shoes, only if I'm fucking, socks no fucking way shoes only if i'm fucking only if it's raining outside so so yeah i mean literally i'm sitting right here right now i got a fucking pair of mhp fucking

sweatshirt uh sweats uh excuse me uh they're cut off sweatpants and and i'm just fucking chilling i've been wearing this all fucking day i I trained like this. All I got to do is just take off the fucking wet clothes after I train and put a pair of dry ones on. I'm happy. Anyway, fellas, I want to thank you very much. I had a fucking blast on your show. We'll have even a bigger blast the next time through. You guys let me know when you want to rock it.

I'm fucking here. Absolutely. Awesome, John. Thank you. Thanks, John. You got it. Thank you, guys. Have a good one yeah we'll see you big john what do you give uh big john tommy maybe we give him cool beans or maybe we give him flax seeds cool flax seeds um we should probably read an ad right away yeah we better before we forget we better do it to him at advertisement style um speaking of timelines this show was

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I'm not actually wearing anything in the new drop. Well, as of this moment, you technically still do have the new drop on because the new, new ones. As of our moment, but not the moment that people are hearing this. But yeah, you know, we already hyped that up. So make sure you hop on, get that. The two T's, the shorts. Shorts, I mean, come on. Shorts.

Those probably won't last long. We know historically's the shorts um shorts i mean come on shorts those probably won't last long we know historically how the shorts go so um but yeah i am we didn't talk about the old stuff i am wearing some of the old stuff you can also buy that and it's not old it's still pretty new i mean this week it's like a month old at this point it's like 20 some days old and uh i just started wearing the pin-up tee and i'm a fan of the pin-up tee. And it looks good. It's a classic. So make sure you get on the new stuff. And also, you know, the Discord's pretty poppin'. If you were in the Discord, you could have possibly

suggested a question to Ask John. Like, I don't even remember who suggested that now. But there's some fun things happening in there. So sign up to become a supporting member and you can get in on that action too. Excellent. Do we have some podcast reviews or anything um week we we do i'm gonna read one this was a special submission because the way apple podcasts work we can only

see the reviews left within i don't know if i would say either north america or the united states i don't know what the right answer to that. I can't see ones from other world locations. We all know Mathsonomics listeners are worldwide. Right. We don't want them to feel left out. Yeah, someone sent me theirs. This was an England review, and I normally can't see that, but so they DM'd it.

Is there a lot of English slang in it that none of us will understand? Oh, puppy cock. Talking about flat hats and fish and chips. English slang in it. None of us will understand. Oh, puppy cock. Flat hats. Fish and chips. Sorry for offending. Sorry. I don't even have a good. I don't even.

Tea. Tea. Yay. Yum. God. Tea is good. The queen. Do I make you Randy baby Austin Powers quotes

Austin Powers works You can do anything Austin Powers That's how I need to think about it If I ever do Honestly it's not mine Who throws a shoe That's what English people talk like Okay So he sent me mine directly and it's from joe day 007 james bond yes another famous

english man of mystery and prestige the greatest show i tune in every week to listen to this wild podcast about nothing due to this i now work three jobs in the hope that one day I will be able to afford a pair of the infamous Lyft shorts. Until that day, I will be surviving on a steady diet of McDonald's apple pie dipped in McDonald's ice cream. Also, I have started using the word druthers in almost every sentence, which is causing me to look either incredibly smart or incredibly dumb. In England, I assume that that word's just common knowledge.

I'm sure they're just like, ah, druthers! If I have my druthers, I'll order druthers to you! They tip their flat hat and go along and get their tea and strumpets or whatever. Yeah, all the English people were listening to this one like, it's a flat hat! We're all wearing them! You idiots.

You wankers. Keep up the good work, guys. This is from Joe and he signed it as South Ampton, England. I wonder what specifically part of South, if it's like the western corner of... It's actually

that's like the town, I think. Oh, okay. But look, Southampton. It almost seems like there should be an H in there. An extra H and maybe even a space so that it's two words. Oh, yeah. Or is it Southampton? It's English.

I don't know. Southampton. Southampton. That's how you would say it, I guess. Southampton. Okay. English. Can't live with them. Yeah. how you would say it, I guess. Southampton. Okay. English. Can't live with them.

Yeah. So you form your own country. So you break away and make your own country. Start all over. So that was the only one I had prepared today. So that would wrap up our... I'm glad we got to hear from our overseas listeners. Yeah.

That was exciting. would wrap up our i'm glad i'm glad we got to hear from our overseas listeners yeah how exciting do we have uh uh anything from our good friends over at spud inc do we ever tanner um close friends of the podcast over at spud we got a little treat worked up here just uh just hitting the old spud inc button okay on the sputting machine here it's yellow i hope the button today it is today's episode of the massomics podcast is also brought to you by spud ink and the 36 inch skinny but straight bar the 36 inch skinny but straight bar is the big papa version of their popular 21-inch straight bar attachment. The longer bar allows for a wider grip, obviously, hitting the triceps in another fashion,

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You won't do well, but you can get in on it still. You can feel like part of the team. Participation trophies, I think, are maybe being given out. Mostly squat mats have been doing pretty well lately. I guess he's trying to catch up with SwimHack. It's an uphill battle, but he's trying his

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