Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 284: Heather Connor

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

Big Heather joins us for this one to discuss the wild world of IPF/USAPL drama. There’s a lot going on, and it seems like it’s changing daily. We also dig deep into the world of school lunches with her. Bonus: is is GHR or GHD?? The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! Science, everything. Mastanomics. Welcome back, everyone, to episode 284 of the Mastanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast South Dakota.

My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. Tommy, I think we're, this is 284. That's what i said um where's the calculator old calculator let me bust it out so 52 weeks in a year still right last time i checked times 5.5 286 two more episodes and we'll be in the at the five and a half year episode yeah you know 300 are yeah 300 is not very far away either no we're just 16 off of that. So what's that for? Eight, 12, four months.

So what month will we be in there? Towards the end of the year or January. Yeah. So in January we should hit 300. Okay, yeah. Which the numbers start to feel like they don't even matter at all anymore. Like I routinely have to think, okay, is it 200 or 300? Yeah, right yeah right right right

it's just yeah it's all losing all perspective here uh yes uh so we're gonna do the 300 chicken mcnuggets on the episode 300 then i think that's the plan okay um this episode today's episode right here this show is brought to you by Texas Power Bars. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights in the late 60s and began powerlifting in the mid-70s. At that time, he was working for Image Barbell Building Gym Equipment. Around 1976, a local machine shop started making Olympic bars for them, calling it the Image Bar. In 1977, Image Barbell became Champion Barbell. It was then that Buddy started looking at the bars

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you know what exactly the strength uh equipment it's actually funny that we got that i'm excited i was when you said we're getting the rower i was excited because i've never been on a road in my life i've never done it and i'm like i want to know what the motion's about i've seen it in there twice and both times i'm like i'll do that after my workout and literally walk right by it and don't even think about it so it's funny that you say that because I guess that just shows where I place it in my brain. Yeah, we had this old free elliptical that we had received from someone years ago and kicked it back to the curb. The most like chintzy junkie.

Home elliptical you could ever imagine. Yes, a very home. Did someone actually take it then? Got someone to take it. Yeah. You put a free sign on anything. He helped. Didn't have to carry it up the stairs.

You put a free sign on anything in Mason. Didn't have to carry it up the stairs. You put a free sign on anything in Massanomics Gym, and it does not have a chance. That thing also wasn't even hardly heavy because it was so chintzy. So cheaply built. Yeah, so the rower. I got to get on that thing. I got to see what that's about. The new Concept 2 rower.

I mean, that model isn't new, i mean that thing that thing's been around that design has been around for a long time yeah i yeah i mean i i bought my wife one of those like five years ago and i don't think this is any different than that so do they really do anything besides like rowers and i think they have that one machine that's kind of like a pull down skier is that what they call it i think that's the skier that's like all they do though isn't it they have a bike i think too oh they do have a bike yes yes but it's not a uh the arms are uh not uh they're like the airdyne yeah yeah i think the arm there doesn't have swinging arms like the uh what's our rogue one called the echo bike the echo bike yeah uh but so we paired that i kind of like having that to go along with the echo bike because those are kind of two into a pretty legit cardio yeah they're right like we don't need much but like

the few things we have I want them to be you know kind of the good thing echo bike the rower right now there's a basic treadmill there too so I would love if they're just so god awfully expensive I would love one of the uh you know I forget what they're called form yeah true true for whatever those are one of the curved treadmills that's like self-power yes yes there's no motor to those at all is there i don't think so and that's part of the big appeal to me is like the regular treadmills they're always breaking and like uh they're working on those at gyms all the time and that ain't what mass dynamics gym about yeah it's a high maintenance yeah it's a long place yes high maintenance gets the boot uh then we also recently i recently ordered a new uh half rack we're getting a replacement

did you actually order that yep that's ordered but that was like a 30 to 60 day lead time on that one coming in but it'll be the monster 30 to 60 before it ships or i think it's made to order so i don't even know if in, maybe it doesn't ship even until like 60 days. Okay. To be continued on that one. A few months out there. Yeah.

Then other than that, I don't think. What color did you say that one's in? That's black and red. Black and red. Whereas our big rack is kind of red and black. This is the yin to the yang. But that's because you can't even get that one in red.

Yeah. It's the only color way even get that one in red. Yeah, it's the only color way that this particular one comes in. It's like the collegiate monster half rack is what this one is. To replace the older half rack. Yeah, it's like a bigger, faster, stronger half rack. Is that actually what that brand was on that one?

Yeah, it's either BFF. What's the movie? I can't keep that straight. I forever have not that. It's the opposite of the movie. Okay, yeah, I can't keep that straight. I forever have not. It's the opposite of the movie. Okay. Yeah, I can't keep that straight anymore. And so, you know, that was the magazine.

The opposite of the movie was the magazine. That was like a high school, for like high school and college football, that was like a big magazine that they put out. I don't even remember that. Yeah, it had like training and stuff in it that you did. So I'm not sure if the equipment company was tied to the magazine. My guess is it was. I don't remember this from the time,

but I'm guessing you could buy these things like in the back of the magazine. Probably, yeah, the mail order thing. Yeah, I think that that's how that works. That would make sense. Someone will know that. Someone out there knows that. Or maybe it's a completely separate entity and the names were just the same, but I think that my assumption is how that works.

I would imagine if people came into Massanomics Gym and saw all this stuff, they'd see the little half rack tucked in the corner and be like that's obviously the thing that gets used the least here and yeah that is not the case oh no that gets used a lot it gets used it's unusual to go in there and not see yeah on a day when there's more than like two people in there and to not see someone using yeah upgrading that to a quality piece of equipment will help though you know that uh spreads the love a little bit it does it does for sure so that's the gym update that's good uh weather update we don't really have much to report it's just really nice it's been pretty great today was actually warm warmer you know borderline hot but the last couple like yesterday we sat out and ate supper outside and i said if i could control

outside with a thermostat all uh facets of the weather outside right now, this is what it would be like. It was about as perfect. Yeah, it was literally like perfect. Which happens two days a year. Because even if the temperature is good here, usually the winds will just murder you. Yeah, it was just the nice, slight, perfect breeze.

We get like two of those days a year, honestly, where it's that nice. That's kind of what it feels like. Yeah, yeah. So that's the weather update a year, honestly, where it's that nice. Yeah. So that's the weather update. Okay. We're just knocking these things out. The list is getting smaller by the second here. That's right. How about our TikTok update? I think people are going to want to know what's going on in the world of Masonomics TikTok. I think so. I think most of our listeners would probably say they kind of feel like it's a party they're not invited to at the moment. And really nobody has been formally invited uh we have mentioned a couple times that

exists but that's a that's about it um so we had this video we mentioned it last week and i want to get you the live number uh because it's important to have the live number for this recording this recording that's going to come out is not allowed here well it's important for it to be a live number because this recording will come out in like 10 days so oh yeah right right because yeah it should probably inflate then yeah uh so this video that we had on tiktok now has 961 000 views so it looks like she's gonna pass the million views mark and the most impressive about that, the most impressive thing about that million views is it does, or it's just as important as I thought it was. Just,

it doesn't matter. It's not important. It doesn't mean anything. It's like, TikTok is whose line is it anyway, where the points don't matter. And it's like, it's all made up.

If you substitute that, like if a tree falls in the forest, it's like if a video gets a million views on TikTok, does it do anything? And it's like, yeah, we've gained some followers from it or something like some people liked it and everything like that. But like if we have, when we have things that go well on Instagram, it does something for our business.

Oh yeah, you notice it like almost immediately. Right. And this TikTok, we've never, we've never had anything on Instagram get a million views before. Not at all. We've had things get like hundreds of thousands of views, but nothing that's gotten one million views. But this did it, and it doesn't mean anything. Yeah.

It's just insane that that's how those metrics work right like and we don't i mean we've been doing this long enough that like social media metrics like at the end of the day kind of are just vanity they don't that's true they're not like business drivers by any means that's true um i mean we can have a post we can literally have posts that get 100 likes and that post we know is responsible for hundreds of dollars in sales yeah and then you can which we care much about than how many likes we get on Instagram. Which is actually important for the business. Yeah.

But then you can have, like you said, posts on Instagram get tens or even hundreds of thousands of views. And it's hard to like say for sure. Maybe we got some followers. Yeah. It's like, you know, it got shared around. It's probably good. Yeah.

And you think it did some things business-wise, but it can be harder to tell on some of those. Right. Just because really all it does is reach a broader audience where people are like leaving dumb comments is the primary thing you notice. But yeah, the TikTok thing seems to like, almost like not even make a ripple in the mesonomics universe.

And the TikTok audience, especially in the lifting world, is so much more like, I don't know what the words are, maybe immature or unrefined or like inexperienced inexperienced in comparison to the instant like and we're talking huge generalities here too like yeah yes yes yes very jet very generally speaking a lot of us i mean there's there's going to be identical crossover a lot of people that are on instagram are on there's

definitely instagram lifting audiences that we don't speak to at all and like i'm really talking about like the bubble we exist in within instagram that massonomics exists in the um people that are interacted with us regularly or even but even when we have a something go really popular on instagram we draw in these people that aren't followers and i still got to give them credit like a vast majority of them are still like they get it at least to some degree they get it in a hurry right they don't get it right away they figure it out and um yeah there's still usually people that have like spent some time like they've gone to a gym before right they're not like just getting into it have no clue how anything and i guess part of it is because when you do, even when something goes popular on Instagram,

it's mostly going out to people that are still kind of into the thing that we're into. Yeah, a similar audience. Right. And on TikTok, I think it has more of a tendency to get out there to a broader audience that has no points, you know, like legitimate points of reference when it comes to the lifting world.

Yeah. So you'll get a lot more of like just the idiotic things that you just when something weird is hitting the general population like they just they're not used to whatever this culture is here right and it was the video i don't think we said it was the video where the the guys are bending the bar yeah where larry wheels yeah over the you know the house column they're trying to bend that bar right um because yeah and that that video that's been on there for like what 10 days or more probably and that is kind of the weird thing too that it still is getting like a decent amount of views on it it says a week ago yeah okay yeah so that's our tiktok fame wow was it was it last week in a recorder we were

saying like oh it looks like it might get to 500,000 and it didn't do anything. It's doubled against what it's saying. It seems to also be nothing. Yeah, and it's still a giant nothing burger. What do you think? Have you heard people say nothing burger before? I was actually in my mind thinking of that and I'm like,

I don't think I've ever heard that saying, but I'll go with it here. People say nothing burger. A giant nothing burger. I'm not sure if I like it. I don't get to sit in enough meetings saying, but I'll go with it here. People say nothing burger. Do they really? A giant nothing burger. I'm not sure if I like it. I don't get to sit in enough meetings to pick up on like what's the hot jargon to use. People say that's a big nothing burger. In corporate America. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know if I like saying nothing burger. Yeah. I prefer good burger over nothing burger. Welcome to good burger. Home of the good burger. May I take your order? That's a much better burger. Yes.

Kale. Kale loves... Actually, that's... Yeah. Kale loves orange soda. Yeah, Kale loves orange soda. It's been a long time since I've seen that show, too. Yeah.

There's a good documentary. I think it's on Netflix, and it's something about the Orange Years, or it's a Nickelodeon documentary. Oh, really? Maybe it's called The Orangeon documentary really maybe it's called the orange years or maybe that's not what it's called at all one of the two yeah yeah that's why it sounds like that um but anyways it's good it's a good good documentary especially if you

i would say are in you know between 30 and 40 um and if you had like watching nickelodeon we didn't actually when i was growing up until i was maybe 10 we didn't have cable tv but i still was well aware of it because like you go to your friend's house you go to here and there like there's only so much programming like actually for kids at that time not like now where there's a thousand choices right right um and it's actually shocking how few shows they actually did have in the early years when it's like because they really didn't air original stuff at first they were just like slowly building their original stuff um the original they're like the cartoons there was like three original cartoons really yeah probably like

it was rugrats rocko's modern life and doug yeah yeah i believe it's like so those and it's like oh that's or maybe ren and stimpy was an original too that could be it yeah but there was like three or maybe ren and stimpy was original and rocco's modern life came just slightly later than that but i'm doug and rugrats were in there and then i'm not sure which of those or maybe it was four but you know those kind of watched a lot of those shows as a kid though and then slowly after that they started the actors you know like clarissa explains it all yeah uh scripted uh hey dude and are you afraid of the dark yep and i watched uh you know and it is a fun uh trip down memory lane and then like uh guts and oh the big one is Double Dare.

They talk to Mark Summers quite a bit. Legends of the Hidden Temple, too. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Good shows. I have not actually seen any of those shows in a very long time, so it would be funny to.

That's, I would, and, like, if your wife watched any Nickelodeon, too, she would really like it, too. I'm sure. I got to look into that. Just because you're, I'm 20 plus years removed from that stuff now so uh that's one of those things where it's like definitely your mind's not gonna remember things all the way how that is a great nostalgia thing and it's fun they even talked like on all that you know coolio was the yep the intro song yeah and like uh they had keenan talking about how, like, Coolio was in the green room, you know, like, smoking weed.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, it was kind of a weird thing because this was all at Universal Studios. It was, you know, do you remember that? Yeah, they always did have that, like, intro. Yeah, and it was, like, a tourist attraction.

Like, they'd come in and, like, there'd be all these walkthroughs, like, where these people are going and kind of like doing their acting and stuff like that and like there's all these kids and people coming to universal studios and watching all this stuff is like a really weird thing yeah that kind of yeah looking back now that is that is kind of bizarre yeah i mean at that age you're so young you're like whatever any of that means sure yeah right or like um the rugrats theme song oh it wasn't trent resner of course but it was like there was someone that like uh influenced that the rugrats really yeah like the sounds from the rugrats theme song and it like i wish i knew who it was wow because it would be it was someone that definitely i was like really and then what then once they set up, it was kind of like,

I just want to make sure that it wasn't Trent Reznor. I'm just going to do a quick search. Because if it is, that's really interesting, but I don't think so. I mean, he does pop up in some weird places. And you said this is on Netflix or what? I think it's on Netflix. Okay i don't know no okay maybe i'm just there's something to that yeah just adds to the i'll try and watch that it's not but there's just something that was interesting about that song uh the other piece of nostalgia that i got to get to is i saw hbo has like a documentary on woodstock 99 ah and yeah it was like it was

over two hours long and i'm like okay i gotta like block out some time actually to get to that one yeah but uh i wouldn't mind seeing that you know i was only 10 at the time so i didn't really mean a whole lot but it's also like you understood that those were like the cool bands right right right but yeah woodstock with like didn't some people die i don't know if people i would i i wouldn't be surprised if people did i don't know if they did or not, though. I just know it got really crazy. Who was it when they were climbing the stage set and stuff? I don't even know.

I don't know enough about it. I don't. There's something about, I think, where some of the audience members died. Okay, yeah. Maybe it wasn't Woodstock 99, but I think that. No, it wouldn't surprise me,

but I think there's a point when, and I think people were starting to throw mud on stage or something and one of the whoever was on stage i think was kind of like maybe i don't know if they were encouraging but maybe being a little confrontational with the crowd yeah and i think that that kind of is where things started to go downhill yeah i could be totally wrong i haven't watched a documentary and i wasn't there so what do i know what do What do we know? But I'll look into it. Whoa, Tanner, time is slipping away. I know what we do now. Holy. Okay. I know this. This podcast episode is brought to you by the Strength Co. Grant Brogy was born in the late 80s, nearly two decades after buddy calves began lifting. In the late 90s, Grant's brother Jordan bought him the

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strength co.com. Grant really does have a go-to attitude to about them. There is something very go-to about their, their whole thing over there. All right. Sorry. He has a can do attitude. I would say go-to.

He also has a go-to. I would say go-to. I would, I would use that word there, Tanner. I just can't even think anything strength-co without the words go-to. Wanting to go to it. I 100% agree. Can-do, go-to.

We're not going to do a what's in the can, but I do have two cans here. Would you rather go cherry bubbly or pesteque LaCroix? Those are both pretty good. They are both pretty good. Those are both like fours, aren't they? These are these are all these are both fours oh in my book if you have a preference you could go ahead and choose because i don't think i would i've had a lot of these watermelons in the last week so i think i'm gonna pass that one to you and uh get on the the cherry train here and actually i didn't even know i had this cherry in there it's kind of in the back of the fridge so

a sweet treat. I'm going to try not to dump this one on my phone this time. That'd be a good idea. Save a little bit of it for my mouth. We give a shout out to Trey Mitchell won the Shaw Classic, the second annual Shaw Classic. Big Trey was on our show just a few weeks ago here. Maybe it was like 281, 282.

Yeah, 281, just a few weeks ago. Yeah, so go back and check that episode out. Coincidence that we had him on, and then he wins the Shaw Classic? You guys be the judge. Yeah, I think it might be a stretch to say it was a coincidence. I think the Shaw Classic went out over pretty well. It was in Colorado, his second one. They were able to have attendance this year for the first time

and had like 16 competitors. Big Z was back. Big Z got hurt. He withdrew after the first time and had like 16 competitors big z was back uh big z got hurt he withdrew after the first day i'm guessing maybe that'll be his the last of his uh competing with the big ones so shaw got second trey mitchell won like i said and i think uh jf caron got third i think that's right okay it's a did you see any of it at all no you can't really unless you pay he's uh he has kind of his own little thing yeah he has his hands the reins on that and i think they're actually they had some problems that's what i saw he had a post saying they had issues with their little club or whatever it's just funny i one of the guys at the gym big

caden he uh said he had got it and he did have problems with it so I said oh did you get your money back he's like no oh um the wrong way he wasn't upset about it yeah and he said you know Shaw apologized and stuff like that but I guess if it's just part of like if you just Brian Shaw has his monthly supporting thing if that's just included for free right it's like there's nothing to really give you money back on but uh they gave away a hundred thousand dollars and rise like so everyone like the minimum like the 16th place guy got like fifteen hundred dollars the number in cash yeah yeah all 16 that's like his big thing is like that's kind of a surprising amount of cash for an event like that i think brian puts up 50 grand okay and then he brought in another 50 grand then that's less surprising yeah um and i think the i think trey got like 21 000 25 somewhere

in there okay second place got you know uh actually brian so brian got second but he distributed brian got second for 15 grand he gave every one of the competitors an extra thousand dollars right yeah can't take your own money right right it's like cheating that is uh so that's all pretty cool i think that's good stuff for strongman yeah i'd say so anytime there's more big competitions i think that's outside of like right now you have world's strongest man the different arnold events and some giants live at uk stuff like we don't really but i guess over here like right yeah in america there's not a ton of like uh higher profile events like this but yeah so that's cool that tray is very nice so i'm happy to see him happy to see him win uh

definitely talented mannered talented and strong no doubt about that speaking of strong man oh yeah right here in aberdeen south dakota this this very weekend um actually we're recording did we mention we're recording this on a earlier day than normal? This is Monday night. Yeah. God, my brain is straight up scrambled when we do not record on Wednesday night.

Even very rare. So we record on Wednesday night 90% of the time. Every once in a while, we got to bump it to like a Tuesday or Thursday. And when we do that, my entire week is just off because if we do it on Tuesday night, I immediately think that Friday

is like right around the corner when it's not. And if we do it on Thursday, it feels like it's the longest week ever because that's happening. But we're recording this week on a Monday night, which I don't know

if we've actually done this in, actually maybe ever even. I don't know if we've ever recorded on a Monday night. No, that's not a common, we had in 284 episodes, we've probably recorded on a Monday night. You would would assume we have but it can't be more than once or twice if we did no i don't think so um but anyways this weekend so just a couple days ago there was south dakota strongest man that event went on in aberdeen of all places and uh we didn't have any part of

putting it on or anything like that we We were a sponsor for the event. Be hard not to sponsor like a strong man or powerlifting event in Aberdeen. Yeah. Seem a little silly if we're here. So we are one of the main sponsors of the event. And we both went and checked it out and watched it. And it looked fun. Yeah.

It's been a long time since I've seen a, well, powerlifting or strongman event in person. I can't even think of the last time I saw it. Well, I guess I did my powerlifting meet. Yeah, you did yours not that long ago. Yeah, right, right. I wasn't there for that, though. But, yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen a strength event in person. And you always forget, it's a fun atmosphere always.

Yeah. There were some big, strong people that came and lifted, too. There was a couple big dudes there, for sure. It's a fun atmosphere always yeah there's some big strong people there was a couple there was a couple big dudes there for sure it's always fun just seeing a couple uh strong women too that's true there was uh there's a few women that i was uh they started going like damn they are throwing that weight around like it's nothing yeah yeah so that was fun to watch we didn't really you know we didn't weren't so i think some people had asked if we were putting it on or do anything like that no we didn't have anything to do with that part of it we were just uh just enjoyed the show ourselves yeah just got to kick back and be entertained we did uh donate the shirt shirts for the event so everyone wore the uh 8-bit strongman

tee so that was pretty cool to see like all of you know it was fun it was like oh look there's like 25 uh it's always fun seeing people in masonomics right right especially when it's a lot of them in That was pretty cool to see. Like all of us, you know, it was fun. It was like, oh, look, there's like 25. It's always fun seeing people in Masonomics. Right, right. Especially when it's a lot of them in one group together. That is cool. It just feels good. So cool stuff there.

For sure. You know what I wanted to tell you about, Tommy? What? What did you? Do you have some on your mind? Yeah, I wanted to tell you, I Tommy? What? What did you? Do you have something on your mind? Yeah, I wanted to tell you, I was thinking of a little history thing again here. In the early 80s, Marat Shikris was born in a snowstorm in the Soviet Union.

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and their supplements and taste they i wondered if taste was going to be one, but then when he went with timeline, I'm like, oh yeah, timeline. So they really got all three of the things that matter to me when I'm looking for my supplements. So everyone else should get on that too. And from that day forward, I always knew what was in my supplements. That just reminds me of something really funny. I know we have guests waiting but it's

worth mentioning when i was in the army in uh i was in like fort chaffee arkansas and we were there for several weeks for a training thing it was awful terrible place get that part out of the terrible terrible place don't go there sorry if you're from fort chaffee arkansas I don't think anyone's from there. Probably not. We had, I think it was Penthouse Magazines. This was in like 2008. People had nudie magazines. Yeah, the last probably time that those magazines were in the high life.

Or maybe it was Playboy. I don't know what it was, but I think it was Penthouse because it was called Penthouse Forums. It was this thing. It was like write-in letters or stories. It was this thing. It was like write in letters or stories. It was like stories, like almost like weird pornographic stories. It's hard to fill a magazine

with hundreds or thousands of nudie photos. So we have to have like the weird editorial fantasy section. Yeah. And it was, we would take turns reading the story. And we'd all sit around and just roll laughing. I'm know glad you

said like really try and get into it yes that's like that was the classic oh man this is bring back so many memories because this really is it was like when you're uh when you first start going on like road trips with the guy like you're getting your first taste of freedom you know like oh we can go out into the world and we can get a hotel room we can go to bars for like the first time and get in. Yeah. And then you hit the road and someone gets that nudie magazine and it's just a long car ride. And yeah,

you do the same thing. You read those things and it's like, who is writing this shit? Yeah. Yeah. The detail that it goes into, but it's also like, it's like trying to be like a higher level of like,

I don't, I wouldn't say fan. It's like a higher level of like, uh, like colorful writing. Yeah. But at the same time, it's kind. It's like a higher level of like, like colorful writing. But at the same time, it's kind of written by like a third grader. Yes. Okay.

So we would take turns reading them and it was just purely for, for fun. It was just fun. It was funny. You know, Ryan from the gym, not your brother. Yep. Ryan, not your brother. He, Ryan has a like talks like, pretty even very even keel like uh very like matter of factly kind of almost you know like uh usually like mostly one tone and stuff and he read it

it's just so funny the way he would read it they were just it was like the best like he couldn't he couldn't read it and like you not laugh it was just so funny uh that uh like you not laugh it was just so funny uh that uh that is really good there was this one about like it was like a neighbor and he had his neighbor come over and he was cooking and it was it was like oh what's on the menu you know like and he's like oh i'll show you what's on the menu that sort of thing conversation and so he gets to be yeah yeah yeah yes yes and it's a it revolves around like they're making a dinner and it's like this funny thing about what's on the menu and he's like, you know, it's like cock meat sandwiches

are on the menu or whatever it is. But the ending line of the story was like, and from that day forward, she never wondered what was on the menu. Almost like there was a lesson to be learned. Kind of paraphrasing and maybe mixing it up a little bit the ending was like yeah one of them always knew what was on the menu and just the way ryan read it i'll never know like that's burned into my brain from laughing so hard about it that is so good that is like that needs to that needs to come back if people aren't doing that if you've never i don't

think you can do it next time those, those things didn't make magazines. If you go to any place that has a truck stop, there are still nudie magazines. Quite honestly, there's a generation of... People that don't know what that's about. Well, there's a generation of kids, boys, that are going to grow up not like... Accidentally finding a nudie magazine.

Yeah, right. Right. Or having an older... Like having a friend that had an older brother. That kind of naughty friend. Or that had the older brother that had them. Oh yeah,

they're under his bed over there. It's like, whoa. He's got like 10 of these things. It smells like cologne in his room. Who does this guy know? Yep, that was,

that was. But that's not a thing. That's not really going to be a thing. That's not a thing. It's just crazy, disgusting internet stuff. I would say if someone's listening to this and they've never done that before, next time you go on a road trip with the guys,

make sure you pick up a nudie mag because there is, that's in there at some point in all of them, I feel like. The little short novels. Penthouse forums. Okay. And now for our guest. We'll switch gears a little bit here. Just a little.

Enough about nududie Magazine Day. People don't know what Nudie Magazine Day is like. That's true. Hello. Is this Big Heather? Well, yeah. I want to say big. Everyone on the Massanics podcast is big,

no matter what size you are. Nice. So yes, you're on with Tanner and Tommy. What's up, Heather? How's it going? It's going great. We're good. We're excited to get you on here. We've got a lot of stuff to talk to you about. Listen, you know what? You should be excited because my old ass would be asleep right now. But you know what? I went out and got some Mike and Ike's and I'm awake. Mike and Ike's the purple and white ones? No, no, no. That's good and plenty. No, come on. The green one. Those are a lot better. Good and plenty are disgusting.

That's the purple one, isn't it? Yeah, those are awful. I don't know if I've ever actually even had those. Those are such an old person candy. I feel like that's the candy everyone knows is bad so you just don't know if I've ever actually even had those. Those are such an old person candy. I feel like that's the candy everyone knows is bad so you just don't even get them. Mike and Ike's is pretty good though. Yeah, Mike and Ike's are good. Especially when they're like,

I don't know if the word is fresh because it's kind of all whatever it is, but the ones that just, they're not hard. They just have that right amount of chewiness to them. They probably haven't been sitting on the shelf too long. Those are the perfect Mike and Ike's. Yeah, I definitely went and got some Sour patch kids the other day and i'm pretty confident those are probably a year old yeah and i mean i still finished it yeah but probably shouldn't have

it's probably important to point out that tommy and i aren't young cool kids that are normally up this late this is also past our bedtimes too. After this long Labor Day weekend, it's really got our schedules all off too. That's true. I know, we've just been chilling. We were thinking of something funny before we get into asking the other questions and stuff. Do you remember at the Arnold like three or four years ago when we tried to do a little interview with you? I spoke about that today, actually. What do you recall from that?

So how I explained it was I was, I had went to the bathroom and it was right before, um, venture deadlifts and we stormed into the bathroom to interview. No, you know what? That would have been cool too. But I came out and you're like hey do you have a minute for like a quick interview i thought if i'm like yeah like you know i'll do this until like my coach comes out yelling at me and then it's like we do need to make it clear this is mid-competition like people need to understand that yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On the main stage, um, at the Arnold. And so as soon as like,

I speak it into existence, that's when my coach at the time came out and in slow motion, it was like, get backstage. He gave you like, almost like the, the conch side, like get out of here.

This is not happening right now. Well, cause like for me, I'm like, I'm the worst. Like if you say, Hey, can I ask you something? i'm like i'm the worst like if you say hey can i ask you something i'll be like oh yeah go ahead yeah like like i know i'm competing like even at this nationals um i went out into the hallway for god knows what and i saw somebody i was like man what's up they're like heather aren't you competing? I'm like, yeah, why?

Sometimes I just do my own thing. I know we have it somewhere, but the clip is really funny. It's like I'm running the camera. Tanner has the microphone. I think he is like, hey, we're going to talk to Heather here. And yeah, I think as soon as he points the microphone at your face, all of a sudden there's this guy behind you like nope shut it down yeah unforgettable iconic really one of the big things we wanted to ask you about and you're probably going to be able to educate

us quite a bit because i don't know that we even know exactly what's going on but as far as we understand it to to sum it up is that you of of course, won USAPL Nationals again. And how many times does that make that you've won Nationals? Three. Okay. You won, got first place, so you would normally be going to compete at IPF Worlds. You'd be normally going to compete at IPF through the USAPL, but the IPF has disallowed anyone in the USAPL to compete this year at

IPF Nationals. And then, so what the hell's going on? I mean, you know what? You make it sound pretty okay, but in the grand scheme of things. You did deliver that really cut and dry, Tanner. I do got to give you credit there. In the grand scheme of things, it's not just like we, US usapl cannot compete with the ipf for a year like if i choose to do any usa powerlifting competition i as an athlete am banned for

another year from the ips okay um so it you know, there was some big meets that were coming up like in December and we're just left like, huh, what the fuck am I about to do right now? Yeah. I don't want me going here. Yeah. I don't want me going there.

Like, what am I going to do? Just sit around and not be the greatest in the world. That's just not an option. So, so if you did a us apl meet next month or i'd be banned banned for not only could you not compete at ipf worlds this year which you already can't through the us apl you could for the next ipf worlds presumably

correct and that would just keep going forever like if you competed the next year after that, you again couldn't do IPF Worlds? Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, they're trying to – there's allegedly like maybe another U.S. affiliate coming. But I ain't got time to sit around. Like, you know, I'm not competing at Worlds this year. I'm not competing under the Virgin Islands like some people went to, which again, another shit show. Um,

could you explain that too? Cause I don't even understand. You know what? Good. Cause me neither. Well, that seems like, like Sydney,

cause I'm like, I'll just wait for this. There's obviously a ton of stuff happening all the time. And I, I'm just like, I don't have the time of the day to be keeping up. So I'm like, I'll just wait for this to shake out and then get the full rundown at the end.

And I kind of just assumed you were doing that, but I guess I'm learning now. No, because the more I talk about it, the more shady it sounds. So August 31st was the final day for nominations, and that ended at midnight. was the final day for nominations and that ended at midnight um me being like literally the only female competitor on the u.s team that goes to a job to work like most of them are online coaches strength coaches whatever i'm a teacher so it's not like i have my phone on me 24 7 um i mean because i got third graders that just, you know what I got, I got some of mine, I got some of other teachers, like it is chaos in the schools. Um, so I'm just trying to get by mentally. And then, um, I see all this crap, but you know, so final day of

nominations at 7 45 PM, I get a DM sayingm saying like hey you should uh try to join the virgin island team i was like what are you talking about and they're like yeah yeah yeah um yeah we all did that today oh y'all couldn't have let's it's like 7 45 p.m what do you mean yeah so you know i i do my best i reach out to the people i'm supposed to reach out to you um it was one of those all our team is full oh all right why the fuck am i even reaching out at this point what does full mean what does that mean like i don't understand what that means from I guess um word got out to one person and that one person let a few other people know ahead of time like like when you say word got out like that there was kind of this loophole that they could do it is what you're saying yeah yeah yeah and it was

let me take care of my folks before I reach out to outside folks like let me take care of my folks before I reach out to outside folks. Like, let me take care of people that are on my same team as far as personal coach and then let all the other people know second. Um, so a lot of this, I, it wasn't like a, here's an invite kind of thing. Um, because I don't even think it was able to get to that point. You know, I think all these people reached out before they could even really figure out like, Hey, let's try to reach out to these people. So kind of like a, it seemed like a first come first serve basis. But the more like I think about it, the more I'm like, you know what, that doesn't really sound right. And then I get a text message simply saying, because, you know, I was told like, you know what, if somebody before midnight drops out the last day of nominations, I'll let you know that a slot becomes available.

So I checked in the next day, trying to be proactive. And I'm like, hey, did anybody drop out? Like, did anybody decide they didn't want to go to Worlds? And the only response I got in text form was, Heather, you are not selected. I was like, oh, I wasn't. Okay. So there was a selection process, literally. And I want to tune my own horn because I deserve it.

Literally, one of the strongest females in the world was not selected. So I don't understand how that even works. What's the selection criteria? I would say that all seems kind of sketchy, right? It sounds shady. So the thing was, if you had been like, and I said this to somebody yesterday, had you been like, hey, Heather, you weren't selected

because I don't fucking like you, I would have been like, cool, got it. But you didn't tell me anything. You just said you weren't selected. I mean, you could have said that you weren't selected because, um, you know, we only had a few number of slots available and other people got to them before you did. Like there was no explanation, no rhyme or reason. So I was kind of, that kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth. Like, yeah, it's like, Oh, wasn't this the whole issue with the USAPL and the IPF in

the first place? Was it just always felt like there was shady stuff going on and then that it breaks away and then it's just like, well, there's just more of that now. Yeah. Like honestly, like that, that day. So we found out via an Instagram post. Again, I'm a third grade teacher. It's lunchtime.

I finally got this kid to not throw his desk at the wall. And then I find out on an Instagram post that we're banned. Okay. I've had a rough day. I'm not going to look at this. But, you know, I am in the talks of joining a different federation, not even affiliated with the U.S. So we're trying to get all – you know what? Here's another real shady thing, okay? So we can just join teams now? Well, that's what I was going to say. Can you join?

I mean, does it have to be U.S. Virgin Islands? Can't it be like – can it be any country? But wouldn't you have to have like some residence or some proof of like something not just a u.s passport not just saying like hey i want to join so like you know that was also very weird i don't know the ins and outs of their federation so however they choose to do it so you're talking like another IPF affiliate. Yes. So, um, my dad is not from the country. He is from Germany. Yeah. So I have dual citizenship with Ben. Oh, that seems like that'd be an easy one to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So like now we're just going through the documentation

of everything like, and you know, with dual citizenship, when you go and get a passport, because I live in the U S they advise you to only get the U.S. passport to make things easier when you're traveling. So like customs and things don't become an issue when you're trying to get back in the U.S. So I only had a U.S. passport, but I'm in the process of applying for a German passport. So I joined a club over in Germany because you need to be i joined a club over in germany because you need to be affiliated with a club over there um for so you know i'm doing like the ins and outs that i'm supposed to be doing but you know um the the president of the german federation he was like you know this is way more strict than usa powerlifting i'm like look i need fucking

strict because then i have to worry about something just showing up randomly on Instagram yeah have a little structure now but yeah like I'm sitting here I'm going to get all these documents in order and you know because I feel like I mean you're supposed to do that if you're essentially

representing another country I don't know but you know again like if i say it out loud it just sounds real weird i think it actually sounds less weird though when you technically have dual citizenship right like that's honestly to me that makes sense yeah well that makes sense so when it's u.s virgin islands they those people don't need to do any of that. They can just, if you're U.S. citizens, you can just compete for the U.S. Virgin Islands. Then they don't have to go jump through those.

That's the thing. They never even did a competition with them. Right. Yeah. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Come over.

Yeah. I mean, that one is for sure weird. The dual citizenship. I don't think that's bizarre at all because there was a lot of people in the actual Olympics a month ago that live and were born in America or they were born in another country but lived in America their entire lives, but they decided to represent that other country. And I'm like, hey, if that's what you want to do, that's totally fine. That makes sense. And so to me, the dual citizenship thing along those same lines makes perfect sense to do that. Yeah, so that's the process i'm going through like

right now um and like another question that came to me is if the u.s decides to get like another affiliate with the ipf would i leave the german federation to compete with this no because in my eyes i feel like if you know the german federation is doing like all these leaps and bounds to get me part of the federation i'm not going to turn my back on them just like that. People from USA Powerlifting that are now competing with the Virgin Islands already talk about leaving them as soon as Worlds is done. No, no, no. I need y'all to understand. They don't want to be with you.

They wanted to be with you. They would have been with you a long time ago. They need to be with you so they can progress forward. There's a huge difference. So people like that, what's their, so if they do this, get to compete at IPF Worlds for the Virgin Islands and then they're having thoughts of leaving, like what are they going to go to after that? It's just like the hope of that US affiliate coming. So not the usapl yes someone else i

don't understand though like okay if you name it whatever it's the usbpl uh like isn't it turning the same thing like i'm just confused that like why is it don't they have the same problems and you would assume administration is going to be like 70 the same right wouldn't it be that's i don't know see that's some crap i don't even want to deal with right that's why i'm just gonna stay around it's just it's just complicated and um you know it's again like no disrespect to the u.s virgin island team i'm sure they have their own way of quote-unquote selecting people and getting it to where you literally need no documentation just a passport i mean yeah i don't know how it goes i don't i don't run the federation and so and you do this uh you know potentially going on with germany that no matter what you're

not going to get to do ipf worlds this year for that but if you're able to go through it you'd be be able to hopefully do it next year is that the case or could you is there yeah okay yeah so like i like with this federation i'd be able to do like europeans um german nationals and be able to do like Europeans, German nationals, and be able to qualify for 2022 IPF Worlds. So does that mean you have to go to Europe for like a lot of meets then? Does that mean you wouldn't get to do any meets in the United States anymore or isn't it like that? So I would need to know like the ins and outs of that. But as of right now, the only competitions I have in mind

are the ones in Europe. And thankfully they're spaced out to where, you know, I can make trips or whatever. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. any consideration to the idea of competing in a different us federation that's not an ipf affiliate someone that also does drug testing or does uh i mean is the world competition which there isn't in those federations is that what would keep you from doing that um so i mean there is see this is a thing and those are things like i clarified when know, I'm just going about my day, finding out if I compete USA powerlifting,

I'm banned. And so I was like, okay, so what about USPA tested there? You can also be banned from that. And I was like, what do you mean? Like,

it's like, that's what I'm saying. Like some people, I mean, some people in the U S team never even just, they didn't get that 7 45 PM text. I mean, they still to like, so they saw a list of people that switched and even know that until they saw the actual post. They're like, what the fuck?

And I'm like, yeah, girl, like, I don't know. But you know, they're in the same situation. I mean, not like I don't know but you know they're in the same situation I mean not like they don't have dual citizenship so I'm a little different situation than them but they are in the situation to where they don't know what they're supposed to do or I mean they want to compete clearly but you're just at too many risk of what you're choosing to do um so it's it is it is so it's a headache yeah oh it does especially when it's like well at the end of the day all someone's trying to do is like move weight from point a to point b and want to compete against the best doing it yeah like that's all i want yeah that's the thing powerlifting i mean what is powerlifting

without drama there's always a couple too many middlemen in there yeah so do you have do you have a strong opinion on on the usa pl stance and how that all shook out then like do you do you think they took the the right approach with the way they handled it? No, no, I don't because, you know, their drug testing to, to fit what they were supposed to. Well, see, here's the thing.

You say, I will say this with them. They have been doing this for years, for years. And anybody that was like national, international level, we were always tested by WADA. So we were WADA compliant with that. And there's like the stimulation going around that we were always tested by wada so we were wada compliant with that and there's like this

simulation going around that we were not wada compliant no we were tested by wada we had out of meat testing everything like that so i can give them that you know it was just at these local level meets for their reason that third party and i mean these local level meets are huge. I mean, they're bigger than some European, like national, you know, and a lot of failures were happening on the local level. They didn't, you know, the IPF didn't want them testing at local levels, regional states. So essentially like that's given someone a ladder to just, you know, get all the way to nationals to beat someone while essentially cheating and then taking away that opportunity for someone to be where they're supposed to actually be, which is in first place, you know, and that's something you never want. Meanwhile, you got some countries that don't test all year. You got some countries that don't even

test till worlds. So, you know i i see why usa powerlifting put their foot down about it um but i think they they kind of like were shoving the ipf um because there was like an email saying like we're giving them to august 29th to give us a verdict if y'all are going to be able to compete or not. And literally the next day, boom. Oh, y'all ain't competing.

If you want to give us like a timeline, I mean, cause the thing was they were waiting for this one dude, um, who's with the IOC. The IPF was, they were waiting for this man who was doing something with the Paralympics to where he really

wouldn't have been able to get to it till after worlds but I feel like because USA powerlifting kept pushing it it left them like okay well we'll give you this but I think the IPF really just wanted to wait till after worlds but they were kept they just kept getting pushed to it. Um, there was like a lot of, I'm not going to say there, there was hardly any communication going on. Like, I know like myself and a few other lifters were continuously reaching out to like different people in the Federation, like, Hey, like, um, what's going on? Should we book flights? Should we do this? Should we do that?

And they're like, I don't know. So there was like weeks where we were just like, are we going to Worlds? Are we not going to Worlds? You know, there was an NAPF competition, North American powerlifting, that was happening in Florida. And because the IPF did not respond to USA powerlifting quick enough, USA powerlifting was not able to put in nominations for a USA team. So, you know, we had an NAPF competition happening in Florida with no US affiliate. And so that's what we were trying to not happen to, you know, the classic raw. Hey, we, so they, they left that alone, but they just kept pushing for that date of the 29th. Like, Hey, let us know, let us know, let us know.

And okay, well, we'll let you know. And honestly, like, you know, I've been speaking to a few people that are higher up in the IPF. And I really feel that they do hurt for the athletes that were involved because, of course, this has nothing to do with us. Yeah, right. And I know personally that some of them are just doing their best to keep us as involved as we can be. Like I know with me trying to switch over to this German Federation, some people in particular in the IPF had just been telling me like, this is what you need. This is this is who you speak to. Like, we can get you in here. Like, I will agree to this if you have the right documentation

like they're saying like hey we do want you but we got to make sure you're doing it the right way and this is how we can help you with it like they want us to compete but there's just usap on the ipf they just had so much like bitterness towards each other like it just left the athletes in shock i mean it was we were blindsided by that because i mean that we hadn't had no communication this whole time so um it just left us like wondering okay well what's next for us? What do you think the future is of the USAPL then? Obviously, if you compete in there, you can't do IPF events. Will that cause enough people to not compete in there? Or at more so the local level, people that wouldn't have any future competing in IPF events anyways,

will they not care and it'll continue to go on? Or how do you think that plays out? Here's my comment on that. I know it's going to be a rough one for anyone that listens to this podcast. They can take this any way they want to. Probably why I didn't get selected for the Virgin Islands,

because I'm too mouthy. Anyone that really just stays and stuff like that i mean here's my honest i'll just say opinion they never had a chance to get into worlds anyways i mean these are people that were just in stat classes to where the chances of them getting to ipf worlds and having to deal with the ipf was slim to none anyways. So they can keep going around, you know, their merry way, competing, doing great, you know, doing their best. But I mean, when you are going up against people like Taylor Atwood in a stack 74 class or a 93 class, I mean, the chances of you getting to IPF worlds are very slim. Right. So it's,

you know, for those people continue to do your thing. Don't worry about it because honestly it has nothing to do with you at this point. I mean, you can get banned, but it's not like you were going there anyway. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. So, I mean, number 25 on the, uh, you know, top, whatever whatever list like you weren't going so just keep doing your thing keep being great in usa powerlifting or uspa like see i think it makes it okay that i said that just be great just don't care yep i think that's fair yeah i do I do too. I mean, unless you

really do have a shot at being a world competitor, like, I don't know why would you be worked up about this at all? Yeah, exactly. And, you know, um, I knew the chances, like I knew with the time limit, um, with me trying to switch over to the German Federation, I knew the chances of me not being able to compete at Worlds. But I did get that final word like a few hours ago and it didn't upset me because I'd already had it in my head that, OK, I'm not competing at Worlds this year. How can I move forward? You know, I just need to focus on moving forward rather than just dwell in just what's not going to happen. It's just not happening. You know, it's, it was just been another world title put on my belt,

but you know, I'll give it to somebody else this year. They can have fun with it. Yeah. Something else I wanted to ask you about was what, what's your, what's your best deadlifting competition of all time what's the weight on that 424 or 192 and a half kilos okay and that based what's what is it good lift points is that what's now being used or yeah okay i know it's changed a few times is that knows? Is that, aren't you, I mean, that's the strongest deadlift of any weight class,

really, based on whatever point system you use, right? Yeah, so even, yeah, whatever point system, I still have the strongest deadlift in the RFF. So it's over four times body weight deadlift then, isn't it? Yeah, around four and a half. It's pretty crazy. That's really crazy. I'd have to deadlift one million pounds. One million?

Man, you've been eating. She's been taking supplements over here. Is there anyone else that's close to you then like in any anyone else's that's like knocking on the door of that i mean not really i mean you have some folks like in the i mean no no what what about at worlds in your weight class is there anyone from any of the other countries that's like uh really close to competitive with you? Or if you're not able to go this year, but if you're able to go to IPF Worlds and you have a good meet, what's for you a good meet? Is there anyone that can hang with you?

Let me see. I'm about to do the math right now. the math right now so second to me when i was nominated was 83 pounds behind me that was second nominated to me so um this go around no there was no like it would have been um an easier win per se uh but the thing with worlds things the world's what should be noted and i shouldn't say it's an easy win because i essentially do not pick my numbers the thing with the world is um they do exactly like our coaches they choose exactly the numbers that you need to win so you know my current pr is 408 in total but know, if it took me 385 to win, that's what they're going to do. So you can total significantly lower and simply went off body weight, which I have before.

Because, again, they're just doing what's going to seal that win. You get first place and you get 12 points going towards team points. going towards team points um so i i say it's the easy win but in the day like you know it might come down to me just doing an easier pull because i fucked up somewhere on bench like i usually do like what the hell you know what happens on my 30 10s but i'm just over it. But I do think there are some rising lifters who potentially can make my adrenaline get higher at Worlds. But I'm very confident in my ability to do things and i'm very confident in my ability to win so for anybody that is like coming against me it's just it's not gonna happen i'm not gonna let yeah so and i know people can see that it's like oh here she goes being cocky now i'm just very confident in myself i don't like hey girl you're such a fucking loser you don't win with that

generally like i've never said that like i will wake up like man i feel like i'm gonna go deadlift 440 pounds a day right and i'll go do it because why not so you teach third graders then do they, do your kids have any, um, do they understand that you're really strong? Like, do they get that at all? Okay. Yeah, they know. And so like in the classroom, so wherever I go, like Ireland, anywhere, just anywhere, like I take, um, photos and I will make canvas prints of them if like they actually turn out decent and not blurry. photos and I will make canvas prints of them if like they actually turn out decent and not blurry um and the kids are always like hey where did you where was this picture taken and so they're like at the beginning I think them and their parents probably thought I was telling some like fishermen tale like you know I go over here because people think I'm really strong and they

want to see me be really strong they're like're like, what are you talking about? Like I even had a parent at open house go to give me like a bag of like tissues. And he was like, Hey, it's kind of heavy. Do you want me to like carry this for you over here? I'm like, no,

I got it. Thank you. I picture at conferences, like a dad of one of the, one of the kids in your class being like, Oh, my son says you're pretty strong. How much can you bench press?

Like trying to size you up. Has that came up before? Yeah, it has. And then there's this one parent whose kid's in the class during open house, like a course, we're wearing our mask and she's just staring at me. And she was like,

you look very familiar. I was like, I don't know. And she's like, do you lift weights? And I was like, great. Perfect. And, uh, she was like, I follow you on social media. I was like, even worse. Yeah. Do you kind of like to keep the two worlds a little bit separate if possible in some ways yeah because um you know i do tell them like when you know i was still going to sweden i would tell them like hey like i gotta leave for like a week but like i'll come back with like a gold medal and we'll cheer and stuff but um typically it's that's my personal life you have your personal life i ain't gonna bug you about unless you're like in the newspaper for being arrested because

you're a third grader and doing some reckless shit but um you know that's kind of you know if they're the newspaper for doing something real dumb i probably going to hang it in the wall. These are our accomplishments. These are the students. Um, but yeah, I try to keep it separate and there, if their parents choose to ask me, I mean, I've had some parents that knew I was about to compete and they wanted to watch the YouTube. So I just gave it to them. And, um, some of them are very supportive. So, uh, I typically do keep it a little bit private though because it does get pretty chaotic with school and i just i don't want to carry over into powerlifting yeah so i'm assuming you've never had a parent that's also competed in powerlifting then

uh well this one that noticed me she does it was like, she does like equipped and like USPS. So she actually got it. It wasn't just, she just randomly followed you. Okay. Yeah. She, she definitely gets it. And then like one time, like Rogue Fitness posted like one of my videos on their page. I was like, Oh great. Here comes the shit show. But it was like, Oh my gosh. Like I worked at school. school listen i didn't even like you you know you got those people that just oh i know her no you don't yeah right we're not even cool yes um yeah so teaching power left and i try to keep it separate but mention it sometimes yeah okay heather we've got this little game we play with everyone it's called overrated underrated power lift and I try to keep it separate, but mention it sometimes. Yeah. Okay. Heather,

we've got this little game we play with everyone. It's called overrated underrated, and we've got a special, uh, Heather Connor set of topics and it's your job. When we fire each one to you, you decide if it's overrated or underrated and you can elaborate as much as, or as little as you want to, but you just have to remember you cannot ride the line in between. You have to say, come up with an overrated or underrated definitive answer. I got it. Okay, so if you're ready to play, we'll get it kicked off here. Okay.

Overrated or underrated, lifting with your hair down? Underrated. down underrated has that always has that always been like your go-to uh hair position on this like have you always been like god i had like a britney moment i moved back from california my hair was like completely dead from that dry ass heat so i'm like let's cut it off so I did and I was like let's get layers because why not oh my gosh so curly hair layers not my brightest you know thing in my head so when I would always put it up like little strands would just randomly fall down um and that became like super annoying so I just took my hair down just flipped it all back at one time so it just all get out the way and then people were just oh my gosh you're going super safe nope trying to see but thank you i don't know if you

know what tommy looks like but tommy has i also have very long uh curly hair myself yeah but i couldn't i would go crazy if i left with my hair down i can't stand it one bit uh when i'm doing anything to have my hair in my face so it has to be up when I'm doing things. I tell people all the time that try to send me like videos, like mimicking it. I'm like, it's actually just an art to it because people, people think like, Oh, I just put my hair back, but it doesn't work that way. But I do like it when like men put mops on their head. but I do like it when like men put mops on their head like hell yeah

you're doing great we actually it just reminded me of right now we make a bunch of memes all the time and we did one it didn't specifically say your name on it but it was this woman in a foreign country doing this dance where like the dance was literally like her twirling this very long hair

almost like to a Middle Eastern some sort of music. And it was something like girls flipping their hair back before they go to deadlift. And you were probably tagged in it upwards of 50 to 100 times, I would assume. We didn't say your name, but everyone said

Heather Connor, Heather Connor. Yeah, just add me. Yeah. Yeah. Your hair kind of looks similar to the you know yeah they are kind of similar tommy's might be longer i don't know i i would say mine probably is longer i will say yours is blonder though i did get it cut recently so he's longer than i mean i actually i told tanner last week i I had my Masonomics shirt on and I was kind of like upset. I didn't get any compliments.

And then I did realize that the print in the back, you can't even see it because my hair is so long, it covers it. So that was kind of my bad. I mean, I thought about you guys today. I was like, oh, I wonder if they had a huge Labor Day sale. We really didn't. We didn't actually. Yeah, we really didn't.

I see that that's every holiday people as a time to make a sale. We just, we don't do sales very often. Like it's pretty rare for us, so. Sometimes I feel bad. I'm like, oh, should we, are we supposed to use every holiday as an opportunity to? We're not taking advantage of these holidays the way we're supposed to.

Yeah, that's our bad. Okay, Next one. Overrated or underrated? TikTok. You know what? Overrated. Only because I'm not good at it. We're in the same club.

If you think Instagram is toxic with trolls, my goodness yes you know what i bet you they're like 1 billion 13 range 17 year old boys tell me that i just fucking suck okay but i'm not gonna argue with you i probably teach you so um yeah super toxic but you know we all love a good red flag and here i am still doing it so yep yep we're in the same boat i think we kind of talked about it earlier and we did we're uh kind of in the same boat and i just i like good old predictable instagram you know i mean it mean it's kind of crazy when you say Instagram's predictable but that's it kind of is compared to TikTok

it is yeah super toxic super toxic but I do love my cat videos I get so I like the one you did of Big Julius had made a video that was really good.

Yeah, that was very, like what you do if they come to your work and you like are talking to them like a school teacher, like now Julius. You know what? I had a third grader whose mom works at the school walk in while I was doing it. So he just had to watch it happen. I was like, no, this is my time. It's not started yet.

So you're just going to watch me do this that's funny TikTok classes in session overrated or underrated combo racks combo racks? underrated I don't think they're overrated at all

they're so fucking handy and you know I guess because, like, I've, you know, been fortunate enough to train on so many different fracks. You know, I just, I like being able to, well, this is just for me, my squat rack height and my bench rack height are the same. Really? Yes. 4'4". Really? rack height and my bench rack height are the same really yes four four so maybe that's why i think it's underrated because everybody's so damn jealous that they got to put in more work that makes that really convenient actually wow i take the bar and i put it down on bench i'm like

what about i was wondering um with you being smaller than your average lifter like setting up on the bench press i imagine it's all just second nature to you now is it is it any more difficult to figure out your setup on bench press you know it is weird like um i'm fortunate enough to like be very unproportionate as a small person like my arms are like orangutan arms and you know my legs are like stubs but like with my height I sit very comfortable to where I don't have to use blocks underneath my feet um they just like as soon as I'm like I'm in a good position but because of the uh my short torso it does make it a little bit harder to get in a position to where i can really utilize an arch i mean i think i arch for no reason because my

arms are so damn long it wouldn't matter anyways but um yeah i just i think with my height and how my body is proportioned it doesn't make bench that hard to set up on. Whereas like someone who is my size, but very proportionate and their limbs, it, it might be a little bit more difficult for them trying to find that right positioning for them. Yeah.

That makes sense. What about any other, as long as we're talking about it, is there any other equipment areas that people aren't making stuff that like you like as being uh you know again smaller than average like what about like belts for example you wear a four inch thick belt i'm guessing like is that nor does that feel normal to you or does that feel like it's huge or like how does it look it's really huge it It literally covers my torso. And that is the funny part. It's like you wear the same size belt as Blaine Sumner.

And like you guys are like opposite ends of the size spectrum. Yeah. So it just, you know, my lower and my upper torso is pretended at all times. You know, I, it's so so i can't really be so when i first started powerlifting i was given a belt from titan that was like extremely big but i made it work because that's all i could afford and like i remember i drilled holes in it to I mean, this thing almost looped around me twice. That's how big it was. So once I got sponsored by SBD at 2016 Worlds, that's when they gave me the SBD belt.

And that's really all I've known in powerlifting. So my body kind of conformed with it. It felt very natural to it. Um, but it does hurt sometimes, especially when it gets pushed under my ribs. So, um, I mean, I like it, but I could probably definitely use like a 10 millimeter instead of a 13. yeah right right yeah those are interesting things yeah that we don't think about right it'd be like if our belt was like seven inches tall like how that would be feels seems like it'd be like ungodly uncomfortable it does yeah yeah yeah okay that's good all right one. And this one's the most important one. Uh,

your performance is mostly judged on how you do on this last one. So overrated or underrated school lunches. You know what? Just because of pizza dippers, I'm going to say under pizza dippers. So like I usually bring my, bring my lunch to school, but then these kids were just raging over these pizza dippers. I'm like, what the fuck? They're not even probably that good. This only happened two weeks ago. They had pizza dippers, and I was like, let me get some pizza dippers.

School lunch is free right now because of COVID. Whatever. Oh Oh my gosh. It was so, it's like, it's like pizza dippers are just literally bread with cheese stuffed inside with marinara sauce, but it's wrong. So is there, is there any other particular ones besides that, that you're like, for sure not, you're like, you see that on the menu and you're not bringing your lunch that day because you got to have it um nope just pizza dippers pro tip pizza dippers i'm gonna show up to my kids school next when they have pizza dip i haven't heard them say that phrase before i haven't either either. I remember Italian dunkers is something that we had. I imagine it's probably about the same thing.

Oh, you know what? They do have this microwavable Mexican pizza. That's pretty good. And they do have some good breakfast stuff. That's like 500 calories per item, but whatever they're burning off yelling at me anyways so it kind of goes back to the thing that like even bad pizza is always good right so it's like pizza you can't mess that one up too bad you well if if your name is my sister's name. You can mess up any kind of food. Say her name. She knows.

She knows. She's wonderful. Well, great news, Heather. You passed overrated, underrated. We're proud of you. Nice thing. You did a really good job. Only because of pizza dippers.

Pizza dippers saved the day. It was on the fence, and when you came out, we heard pizza dippers yeah yeah that pizza dipper saved the day out of something we're it was on the fence and when he came out that gave the approval yeah it's like stuff cheesy bread at like dominoes or something you got some pizza pizza dippers right nice yeah i can't imagine anyone that doesn't really that would be like oh no i don't like that no no i'm good with not having that i mean honestly if they say that to me i I don't like that. No, I'm good with not having that. I mean, honestly, if they say that to me, I probably don't need them in my life anyway. I feel like that's kind of a general policy. I can understand if you say, no, I'm trying to do some things.

I shouldn't eat that right now. But if you're like, no, I do not like the way that that tastes. I'm like, ugh, really? I really don't like you, so get out. We're in very different places in life right now. I don't think we can meet together on anything knowing that now. All right. Well, we really appreciate having you on, Heather.

That was really cool. I guess we learned a little bit more about the USAPL IPF thing. What I would say I kind of learned is none of it still makes any sense. That's maybe my biggest takeaway. Maybe it even makes less sense than what I thought. Yeah, you just know it's shady now right no that was really cool is there anything

you want to talk about sponsors or like tell anyone if they want to come to your third grade classroom any of that information you want to get out there if you are going to come to my third grade classroom just make sure that you wear a helmet because it gets crazy in there sometimes.

Okay, good. So I appreciate you guys taking me on. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That was great. We appreciate it. That was good stuff.

Y'all have a good night. Okay. Yeah. Good luck with the German team or wherever you compete next. Thank you so much. I'll keep y'all posted. All right, cool. Thank you. Have a good night. Okay. Yeah. Good luck with the German team or wherever you compete next. Thank you so much. I'll keep y'all posted. All right. Cool.

Thank you. Have a good night. Do you think they have cool beans at school lunch? Probably because there's not intended to be cool, but it's like the lunch ladies didn't keep them hot. At some point, these were hot beans, but now you're getting the cool beans.

Those cool beans aren't that cool beans, though, are they? Those are probably the only cool beans that aren't cool beans. Yeah, the unintended cool beans, the incidental cool beans. Yeah, it's got to be intentional. Did you like school lunches? I never had. I'm not a picky eater, so I was never one of those people who was like, oh, school.

I always liked school lunches. I loved school lunches. My issue was always just it was never enough food. Exactly. oh school i always like school i my my loved school my issue was always just it was never enough food that's exactly that wasn't it oh absolutely like i weighed over 200 pounds by the time i was in like sixth grade and they get like four chicken nuggets that was not me i don't know how you i didn't say i don't know how you did that because for me it's actually don't know either like like me, I grew up, my mother made me breakfast every day. Oh, yeah. Until the day I graduated high school.

Me too. And I'm not saying like she made me a bowl of cereal. She made me like omelets and waffles and pancakes and egg bake, like biscuits. She made good shit for breakfast every day. So I'd have a big breakfast. I'd go to school. I'd eat as much school lunch as I possibly could. And then at night, as soon as I got home from whatever I was doing after school or sports practice,

there was another big meal waiting for me there. And I graduated high school weighing 165 pounds. Didn't make any sense. I don't know, but that's how it was. Active lifestyle, good metabolism. I guess. I don't know. Like for me, until I really got into lifting, it was like, whoa, I need to eat like a lot.

I thought I was actually one of those guys like, oh, I can't gain weight. It's not possible. Right, right, right. Then you realize all your perception is a little. Of what a lot is. thought i was actually one of those guys like oh i can't gain weight it's not right right then you realize all your skin your your perception is what a lot yeah it is yeah but it still is like amazing to be thinking back that i could only weigh that much for the amount i did eat at that time it's weird um and but i as far as school lunches you know there's i think everyone has a couple that are like oh i just do not care for that like if you just really like i'm like that just to me is not a like i don't want to

eat that anywhere at school or anywhere else uh not i actually also became a much the older i've gotten the less of a picky eater i have gotten so the few i didn't like then i'm thinking now i'm like oh i don't know that would actually sounds pretty good yeah uh but i love that was my only thing like at our school they did have like loaves of bread and a vat of like 80% fat peanut butter. For us, it was, you got done. And usually there was like maybe a thing of apples or bananas that you could take as much as you want. And there was also just loaves of bread

and single serving cups of peanut butter and jelly. And that was when you would just go crazy. And you'd just be like, all right, I'll also eat five peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. That's what we would do. We'd go and be like, and quite honestly, we would take the bread and whatever we're eating would be a sandwich. Yeah.

When we would have pizza, I would make it in a sandwich. Well, because you would get like one slice of pizza. Was your pizza in rectangles? Yes, we had the rectangle pizza. So you got, when we were older, you get a rectangle and a triangle. Was it? They'd cut it in half. I don't remember that. You'd get one and a triangle was it they cut it in half i don't remember that one and a half i don't remember getting that like that is still disturbingly

low amount of food for i i would assume i mean this is definitely public knowledge so you could probably look but i would guess that they're probably their guidelines are like there has to be at least this many calories in a meal right i would assume so there's got to be something and i i know like it changed it's way different than probably when we were in school i know they're not trying to get you 20 servings of grain in a day right right and like i know michelle obama changed a lot of things and like some of that for the good and some of that i still like doesn't even like some of it what i had seen doesn't pass the sniff test to me of like just like logical like i get the i'd be high level logic behind it but the way it filters down to what people are actually getting like execution this isn't healthy either i'd be curious to get

my brother ryan's take on this yeah because he uh does he ever eat the school i don't know i've never even talked about school lunch before we'll have to talk to him about that dude i my like probably my favorite school lunch there actually there was two that i always loved one turkey a la king did you guys have that oh it would be like mashed potatoes, just smothered in like gravy that had like chunks of turkey in it. Okay. Turkey gravy and potatoes. Like that's the best thing right there.

So turkey a la King was amazing. And I always liked the chili day because chili day was when I was going to say, we had caramel or cinnamon day. Cause we had to like cinnamon roll yep chili cottage cheese carrot wheels carton of milk c day c day was the bomb i love c day just chili dipping a caramel in chili is see i don't remember getting car we always got cinnamon okay yeah i think ours were caramel but either way like yeah that was the bomb it's funny that that i love cheese cheese stick we get a cheese stick with it.

Okay. You'd drop the cheese stick into the chili and tear it up. You know, I guess that's smart. The chili has to have cheese in it. Yeah. That's a good day. I always loved macaroni and cheese day. I don't really remember that.

Yeah. We had, it was much, a lot. And what I loved about it especially is most of the kids hated it because it was very far removed from craft macaroni and cheese. It's like, this is the cheese that gets made when you're making it for hundreds of people. Right, right, right. But I loved it, so nobody else would eat it. And like, do you remember you're not supposed to share your lunch?

No, there was always like you'd wait and be like, okay. And then you butt your tray up to it and it's like you shovel it over. You just know there's like the three guys that are like super picky and don't eat their stuff you're like yep i know i can get half of his those were my favorite kids to go to school with honestly like i'm not even joking like there are some kids that i was halfway friends with because i knew they didn't eat half their lunch i'm like i didn't have very many friends i would like that though that didn't happen i had a couple people that like on certain days and I was not stupid about it. Like I'd be in lunch line with those people because I'm like, I'm sitting by you, dude. And I'm cause it's like the rest of us all knew the people.

So it's like a fight over getting, you know, like who gets to sit by, uh, Johnny because he doesn't eat his, uh, cheeseburger, you know? Yeah. So we both, I mean, your, your school was significantly smaller than mine, but my school by no means was like my graduating class was like 70 some people yeah mine's 26 but we were the biggest class yeah and my class actually at the time was the smallest one in the history so it was yeah i mean they were usually a little bigger than that but um oh so we had for okay for lunch we had two options what did you guys have two options or just one uh you could when i got older they started making

it you could order a big salad uh you either got the lunch or you could order a big salad if you count that they always had they always had the salad bar then there was two options besides that but like my wife is from locally you know where they had like many like so you had two options like it was like two lines two different lines yep so in the moment when they did lunch you got to say that's crazy all right line one is chili and line two is whatever line really something different yeah we had two different and at the beginning of the day they would ask you which one you want so they're not knowing yeah when they took lunch count you had to say what one you're getting son of a gun that would have been sweet yeah like two choices yeah no we

are absolutely like you got that when you went to high school like that was one of the yeah oh in high school we get to pick what we want yeah um but like here i think i'm pretty sure i remember my wife saying, your wife too, I think they had like five or six choices, didn't they? Yeah. And well, and also then they live in, and I guess you lived in a,

I don't know, did you ever get to do open campus? They pretty much, by the time I was a senior, had pretty much squashed that. Everyone always loses that privilege. But I suppose here, like in a town,

like I lived in a town, if you got open campus, maybe you could get something to eat at the gas station. That wasn't even a good gas station. Open campus didn't mean anything. It's like, there's no businesses in the towns that we live at. You know,

it's like, there's a bar. Like we can't, there's not enough time to go sit and eat at the bar. Yeah. You're 40 minutes break. Yeah. Like open campus.

Like, great. I'll go to the post office yeah that was i think i think that we had that sort of off and on when i was like a freshman and then by the time i was a sophomore it was sort of gone and by the time i was a senior like yeah it didn't exist people always lose that privilege i think like in this day and age so they're like the people coming and going from a school is a much tighter thing you you know, than what it was years ago. Back in my day.

Back in the day, yeah. School lunch. Memories, huh? Making me hungry, kind of. Me too, actually. I had a big supper, but I think of some of my favorite, that chili day, sea day. Dude, chili day was good. It was a good thick chili, too.

I like chili, too. I'm assuming every school in the state got the same chili. You would think so, right? I don't think they had the, I don't think the'm assuming every school in the state got the same chili. You would think so, right? I don't think they had the... I don't think the cooks and the... It wasn't their secret recipe. It was their own family recipe that they had. I imagine there's choices.

You know, so your school probably had some different things than my school because it was the lunch lady's jobs to select the menu to a certain degree. So I imagine there's a certain selection. So, like, you could probably have some things that we didn't have and vice versa i'm trying really hard to think of something that wasn't good and i just can't i honestly can't remember enough meals which is kind of insane because it's like you spent basically every day of your life eating lunch in these cafeterias yeah and i can't remember very many of the meals uh you know she talked about the mexican pizza we called it we had a fiestata i think is what it was called i do not

remember that at the time and actually we also had chili crispitos and most of the kids loved chili crispitos they were basically like a taquito oh yeah like they get in the gas and it's funny it wasn't until like after i graduated high school that i realized i love mexican food i believed up until then i believed that i did not like mex food. Because you're being subjected to it. Yeah. And like in hindsight, I would have loved those now. But back then I didn't like them because I didn't like Mexican food. Right.

Because I'm like, no, I don't like Mexican food. So that would have been the things I don't like. But now I'm like, those were probably awesome. Yeah. It's like actually kind of blown my mind that I can't think of what we'd have for lunch that often. Wow. I guess it was kind of insignificant at the time right it's just uh just the that's just like i'm just going with the motion yeah that is putting food in front of me no big deal that's kind of the whole school system thing i actually talked about it i've talked about with like some buddies before where like growing up um i mean by no means were we

ever like oh i don't know what we're not like scraping by for meals you know i'm not gonna go to bed hungry right but like you just kind of took food for granted it's like well yeah someone has to feed me this is the way it is that's like and yeah something even up till where you're like 18 years old that's still the system it's like well it's around someone from time there should be food in front of me and then like it gets to a point like when you go to college like oh like when you just eat like shit and then there comes a point where you're like oh someone's providing food for me and now like even now at this point yeah someone's hooking up a meal it's like oh hell yeah like i don't gotta think about that i don't gotta cook anything like it's all i just show up and just eat yeah that's like life

is good it is funny how you do take it for granted yeah you took it for granted when you're younger and now it's still it's like something it feels like well you've gotten a free meal before but it's still i just i never take it for granted like it's always really really nice when that happens it's like they say there's no such thing as a free lunch these days yeah usually that's used in some really shitty context of trying to prove some political point or something right no such thing as a free lunch these days i like the other common sense isn't so common sense might as well just be they don't think what i think they don't have that's not common sense that is common like that

is the definition of phrase common sense and i was people that don't think what i think have no common sense like oh my god it's the dumbest thing i hate it when i hear people say he doesn't have common sense. Like, oh my God, it's the dumbest thing. I hate it when I hear people say, he doesn't have any common sense. He disagrees with me. That's so stupid. Common sense is not as common as it used to be. Yeah. Or free lunches, right? No such thing as a free lunch these days.

There used to be apparently, but like these days, there's no such thing as a free lunch with everything going on yeah with everything going on of course uh make sure to uh check out our supporting memberships the massonomics discord has just been freaking popping it is popping we say that every week and it gets more popping every week too the stuff that's coming out of the massonomics discord for supporting the real grade a stuff it is and that's not just us selling it it's it's actually no there's stuff every day and i see more people joining today and then new people are showing up in groves too

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comment like monoliths are in there and there's just freaking people are wrapping their knees like that's what's going on basically yeah that's what the discord is like there's a deadlift bar so yeah you know it's good yeah all the special yeah that's what the discord is like there's a deadlift bar so yeah you know it's good yeah all the special strength co plates everywhere oh there is strength plates everywhere there actually is a lot of strength plates in the discord there's a lot of strength code talk in the in the discord oh i forgot i wanted to tell you about hybrid performance method tell me the hybrid strength well i kind of wanted to tell you about something oh were you gonna tell me i wanted to tell you about spud ink well i of wanted to tell you about something too. Oh, were you going to tell me? I wanted to tell you about Spud Inc.

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belt squat belt and then add in that it's not being tested too like it's untested it's almost cheating but you know it's good uh but as that being a sputting product uh that i use a lot i can tell you that's true it is the real deal yeah it is the real deal you're always been a belt squat kind of i'd like it i've always been a fan of it yeah ever since we got it yeah right right yeah there's certain people in the gym you always know that like certain pieces of equipment too everyone has their everyone has their favorites and you don't it doesn't even have to be discussed you just know which ones that people uh certain people stick to certain ones and the belt squat has always been a good one for me yeah for a long time it was for me it was also

the glute ham raise and i kind of backed off that one for a long time i'm a big fan but i actually started i actually when i was talking to you about it the other day i'm like ah you know what i used to love that thing i better get back on that so i had i have been uh now i love that a little more big part of my training always i it's a love hate actually really yeah i mean it it it's hard yeah you know but that's kind of why i like it i guess it's hard but yet doesn't hurt in the wrong ways some of them some things that like the belt squat to me hurts in some ways i don't want it to hurt yeah it just doesn't really like so to me i use the leg press more often honestly just because it uh i can kind of get the training stimulus that i want without uh doing some things that i don't

want but like the glute ham raise or glute ham developer i don't know i don't know i want there to stop being both of those names for it so yeah g GHR and GHD. Is there actually a physical difference between those two things? Somebody tell me. Even if there is, there really isn't. I believe it's kind of the same thing. That's what I feel like. Stop having there be both. Let's pick one.

Let's pick one, and we'll roll with that one from now on. What do you like better, GHR or GHD? I like GHR. I always went GHR. Yeah, Glute Ham Raise. Glute Ham Developer. Let's go with the ghr from not henceforth no one say ghd i i think in in our brain it's always ghr it's ghr that's what it is and we're not we're gonna act like ghd doesn't exist so don't add us with anything ghd yep not allowed i think that could be a post almost. Like a stop calling.

A campaign to remove GHD from all online stores. It's like when Teddy Roosevelt was president and he made all beds a uniform size so that people could sell sheets. Did he really? I don't know if it was Teddy Roosevelt. But that was actually a thing? Because beds were not yeah it wasn't it actually it wasn't twin it wasn't standardized it wasn't standardized and i don't know if it's teddy roosevelt but that's probably i mean that's that part's probably wrong

i think i didn't know i didn't know when no president actually like i maybe it wasn't a president somebody standardized the sizes of beds and everyone agreed on it yeah and the world's a better place for it it seems like it right and just think that's where where we could be living with the ghrs yeah yeah you don't have just a corner of ghds in a gym yeah their corner looks like do we need one of each in the gym would anyone be able to ignore well one would well one would be a ghr and the other one would be a ghd curious now now that we're talking about this, what Rogue actually listed on in their site.

Do you know what they have it under? I can't remember, but I've looked at it recently because I'm even considering. This is pretty beefy too, isn't it? They have a few different ones. They have one that costs $1,300. Oh, man. And I want it because it's so expensive. I believe it's good because it's that expensive.

I'm going to go with Glute Ham as the option i'll let the computer decide okay oh so the first wow the first product is the rogue donkey which is also like a reverse hyper that's a whole other thing two grand for that thing that's a horse of a different color so they have the rogue gh1 ghd is that oh ghd and then is that the abrams one of them's like the abrams or something the next one is the rogue abram ghd 2.0 so they're on the ghd uh and then they have the rogue echo ghd that's the one that just like sits on the boxes yeah they're only they're only ghd they don't have any ghr in this thing oh the abrams is pretty beefy though for 700 yeah yeah see that one's good but did you see the 1300 one 13 oh oh 1400 14 okay oh yeah that one's look at all the adjustments that has

much more robust yeah i think it's safe to say the 600 one is off the table if you're gonna go we're not getting the budget yeah if you're gonna to go like, we already have a budget friendly GHR. Oh yeah. But I don't know just the fact that their GHD makes me, I don't know if I could bring myself to buy one. It's kind of the wrong side of the fence. They're on the wrong side of history on this. I think we can,

we can all agree. You don't think we're the ones that are wrong. Oh no, definitely not us. No, no. For a second. I was wondering if as someone that's kind of used the machine regularly for a few years and then

hasn't touched it again i definitely know what i'm talking about here yes got this uh what one is this called the monster yeah the rogue monster swing arm ghd so the 1400 one this thing weighs 250 pounds like that's a you can figure with the footprint is 34 by 62 like that thing's taking up some space with shipping and tax you can figure you're going to be in for over 1600 bucks on that thing oh easy is that justifiable to anyone i don't know ships in 12 to 16 weeks so it's not shipping fast either it is funny though that one has so looking at their product reviews that one has seven reviews the abrams has to have hundreds the the abrams has 110 okay yeah which is significantly more than anything on this glued ham page yeah i think that's kind of the popular like it's sure that's

the one they use in like the crossfit games here and everything so right i would say that one's probably the standard and this one doesn't say anything about long shipping time so i would assume that means it's probably just ready to go i'm sure they make you know they sell so many of those that they try to have them yeah glute ham raise to be i don't think you've heard the last of the glute ham there's more to this story yep also though that's some the footprint of 44 and a half by 73. That's not a small piece. No, 73. That's 46 feet.

Yeah. Like basically four feet by six. Like that's. Yeah. The one we have is only like two foot wide. The one we have right now is narrow. It is narrow when you're on it. I mean, it also kind of sucks in comparison to these. So that probably part of it yeah i mean it doesn't suck it's just like

not it's just not really it's not top end like a lot of most of our stuff is at this point oh well i'm glad we've discussed that now yes i don't i really don't think it'll be the last of it no no i'd like to hear everyone's feedback so in the youtube comment section let us know is it glute ham developer or glute ham raise ding ding ding ding ding let us know what you think and i'm sure the discord will have some thoughts on this too and if you're uh if you really want your opinion to matter if you don't care about your opinion matting mattering just comment on youtube if you want to matter become a supporting member uh get in the discord that it matters yes and then it when you get validation from everyone else the comments in the discord mean a little bit more

because we know you a little bit more you don't need to understate this tanner might say they're the only ones that do matter that's true that's probably true uh tommy where do they find you on oh tank tops are for sale oh yeah tank tops are on sale yeah they've always been for sale well as long as they're in the store they're technically anything people might not know this anything in our store is for sale yes only some of the things are on sale not many of them them just before versus on the preposition really changes the uh changes the whole scenario but yeah tank tops are on sale and uh at a at a bit of a discount so the weather is still nice people should probably take advantage of that yeah um you know what i remember about prepositions how you know if something's a preposition. Okay. Okay. Tell me if I'm wrong.

You're probably not going to say this one, but with a preposition, can't you, can you take the prepositional phrase and move it either to the front or the back of the sentence and it still should still be the same? That could be true. I don't know that. I don't know that for sure. But my thing was more so like, I remember in a junior high English class, we had like a board of these are all the prepositions, you know, not the full phrase, but the prepositional phrase always starts with the preposition. I believe it always starts or maybe it doesn't. I think it does.

But I also, English was my worst class. I sucked at it. English was probably my worst class too. I did not care for it. But like, I remember, you know, a junior high teacher once saying like that uh you can identify a preposition because it's anywhere that a bird could go what yeah could a bird go on of over it's over one over is probably not of on in yeah oh i've never heard that yeah something like that i don't know if it holds up 100 of the time but it seemed to kind of make sense and i've

something i've hung on to a little bit wow i i mean in my terrible memory that seems like it does kind of make sense so you're right did you have to diagram sentences oh god that was the worst that's insane that that's a thing people have to do so bad yeah that was you don't need to know how to do that no and i don't know what it leads to that you do need to know how to do ah i and i'm not even one of those people that's like oh advanced mathematics is so stupid they should teach the tax code like anyone that says that argument i think is actually no i think english class is very important i'm just not sure if this the sentence diagramming is uh yeah that one's still i yeah i also didn't really like I liked math.

I didn't really like English class. So I look at it from a pretty biased perspective. Yeah, math. I mean, I was I was good at math. I was good at math, but I didn't. It's a fundamental thing that I also wanted to argue with it all. It's like, oh, this is all made up stuff. But also like, hey, it's a lot of good ideas come out of people that are really good at math.

So I'll give it credit there. That old Albert Einstein. Those people know a thing or two about a thing or two, I guess. That's right. Tommy, where do they find you at on Instagram? Math wizard.

We got a lot of things, different things to talk about. Math wizard is my new Instagram handle. At prepositional underscore phrase dot school lunch. You can find me at Tomahawk underscore d uh you can follow me at tanner underscore baird but make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics and stop calling it a ghd see ya