Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 286: Jonnie Candito

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

The wait is over. We finally conned Jonnie Candito into coming on the Massenomics Podcast. Did he live up to the hype?? You be the judge. We talk YouTube, Powerlifting, USAPL, and Kanye West albums. The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! website everything massonomics welcome back everyone to this super special massonomics podcast episode episode 286 the five and a half year anniversary of the massonomics podcast because i just like all the different anniversaries where i'm even I'm like a six-year-old I'm also counting halves now it's at the point where we can make almost every month some type of special number yep we'll have 300 coming soon that's probably the next one then that's just in 14 weeks from now so that'll here be here before we know it won't be short weeks

practically tomorrow yeah practically tomorrow my name's. And my name is Tommy. We are the Lifting Podcast about nothing. We've got another banger set up for this one, a much, much long-awaited podcast guest for this one. Yes, highly anticipated. Now that we know a little bit about this episode, I want to see if you guys know about something else. Do you know what's in your supplements? I was wondering if you were going to ask me.

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do you eat sushi no i mean i've had it before like if if i don't seek it out hard if someone if you're in a group and someone said we're going to a sushi restaurant would you be like no my night's ruined or would you know i would be like all right well i i'm i'm down for you you'd order some yeah yeah i i what i would do is i hope i go with my wife and i say which one of these is like and she'll say the most like yeah like what because i've had some before that i really don't like and i've had some that's okay i don't like fish all that much yeah but i i'm i'm down to try it and i know it's it's one of those things i know is supposed to be good so i'm always willing to like

yeah i know people think this is good so i'm always willing to like yeah i know people think this is good so i'm willing to try it is it me that's the problem yeah right right uh that's kind of where i'm at on i'm always willing to try it but all in all i've never i still am yet to love it what do you think i i like sushi i'm not the person that's oh my you know some people are freak out like it's the greatest thing that ever happened to them. But, um, I, I like it. We had it tonight before we, uh, before we podcast it and Ben bought some from the gas station, you know, it was about, they were going to say, we're going to throw it away or you can have it.

And I said, oh, no, I'm just kidding. Uh, but yeah, I had some sushi tonight and I was thinking, you know, I don't know if I've ever heard Tanner's opinion on sushi. I know how, uh, Masonomics, um,omics athlete extraordinaire James Strickland feels about sushi. He does a lot. He can eat sushi. He can put it down. Funny coincidence. Last time I ate sushi that I remember of

I was in Kansas City. Seriously? Yep. Last time I had sushi I was in Kansas City. Well you go to Kansas City. You go to Kansas City a lot though, right, Tanner? Yeah, that's right. You know, it's like every other. We were just talking about it though.

It's really not that far. It's kind of surprising. Well, it is. That is relative to what we think. For our part of the country, it's not that far. What did we say? It's about eight hours. Yeah, it's an eight hour drive.

It's the only other really places of interest are like far Western South Dakota or I suppose you get to Denver and that's like 12. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But speaking of Kansas city, we are going there. Yeah. Very, by the time you listen to this, we will have already been there even, I guess. Or if you're listening, we're on our way back. Maybe even if you're one of those quick people, that's true. So I'm pretty pumped to go. It's going to be a lot of fun. We've already sort of talked about this, but we, but we did say we's going to be way fun. We've already sort of talked about this. But we did say we were going to talk about it. But now it is getting really close,

so it's starting to feel like, ooh, like that feeling when you're about to go on a little trip. Yeah, tomorrow we've got to be packed because the next morning we're on the road. Hitting the dusty trail. The trailer looks pretty badass, I'll tell you that much. Ooh, yeah. I haven't seen it in person yet.

It's badass. The video looked really good. I'm enjoying parking it in front of my house so people have to drive by and just gaze upon it. Just really turning heads. And they're like, what does that mean now? Yeah, what's going on? I didn't understand it on a billboard. Now I don't understand it on a trailer either.

They took it off a billboard and put it on a trailer. What's going on here? I still don't get it. Yep. It's all about the mass confusion. That's why we're called Massonomics. Yep, it's all about the mass confusion. That's why we're called Massonomics.

So, Tanner, I'm trying to think what order we want to do this in. Well, we got a few. I'll let you pick the next. Okay. Tanner, the next move is yours. Choose wisely. I'll do this one because it's probably fairly quick. The log press world record was broken. This is our big lift segment.

It was Iron baby now, which I don't think that probably surprises anyone. It's 229 kilograms, 505 pounds beating Z's old longstanding record. Several people have been trying to break for a while. So it has been, what was actually, I think it was like five Oh one.

I don't know if it's two 28 or, but it was, it did have a five in front of it. I think so. Okay. I think it was like 501. I don't know if it's 228. But it did have a five in front of it. I think so. Okay. I think so. But Iron Baby now has it at 505 pounds, 229 kilograms, and he's a big man. He's a very large man.

So that was probably long overdue, but now he does have the axle and the log, both of those records. So hard to say anyone's better at overhead pressing than that guy. Ever. Yeah, that's staking your claim there. So that's about all I had on that. Was that a Giants live event in Glasgow, Scotland? Is that like, well, they do some like in the.

They do a lot more in the like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Do you say UK, England, Great Britain? What is the one you say? I have no idea. I think Scotland is also a part of Great Britain and the UK.

Or the UK. Are those interchangeable? No, I feel like Great Britain has to be. But what's the difference between Great Britain and England? We've talked about this. Have we? Numbers of times. And even maybe we've clarified it at times.

We probably have. No matter how many times it's explained, I will never. It doesn't. No, it doesn't stick. I won't really get it. It doesn't stick. It's probably like when people try to be like, oh, are they from North Dakota or South Dakota? It's one of those.

I don't know what the difference is. Right. It's the same thing. What were the other things we're going to talk about? You said you had something. And then we also have some Highland Games discussion. I was going to say, you were being an athlete here recently. I competed in my fifth Highland Games.

That's not something a lot of people can say. No, I did the math on it. I've done, now I'm kind of forgetting. now I'm kind of forgetting it's, I think I've done five Highland games, um, 11 strong man competitions and five powerlifting. You've done 11 strong man. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Cause I did Arthur, the three showdowns. I did the South Dakota state fair, strongest man, six years in a row. I forget about that one.

And then I did one in rapid city and one in two falls. Yep. I, and I remember the rapid one. That was the one you tore Rapid City and one in Sioux Falls. Yep. And I remember the Rapid one. That was the one you tore your hands up, wasn't it? Yes. Okay. Pulling an ambulance in the 100-degree blacktop.

I forget about the Sioux Falls one, and I forget about the State Fair ones. Yeah. Okay. The State Fair I did six years in a row. God, that does not seem like that was that long. Fun fact. Do you know who has won the south coast state fair strongest man competition the most times you no really well not outright oh it's a tie between myself and

you know who else tyler tyler we have both three both won it three times the my so the first year i did it i got second i got beat by a guy that he won the first two years okay the second we only showed up to it the second year so he won the year before that and the year i went so he won twice then i won three in a row and then tyler won three in a row so over the course of that eight years there was only three uh three champions three winners uh that's funny and then i think it went on for one or two more years after we quit doing it and somebody else won but okay let's just do you know was there one this year nope no it's it ended after uh an 11 or 12 year run okay it's over it's a pretty long running

yeah yeah wow yeah i hadn't heard much about it the last uh i don't know if i quit paying attention or if it wasn't popping up yeah okay no but so i did the northeast south dakota celtic fair and highland games at richmond lake and this was the fifth one this was the fifth i did for sure too i'm trying to think if i did three of them and i couldn't tell you for sure. And the last year I did was 2018 and nobody else did it. Nobody else of us did it that year. The year. I probably only did two. I think I probably did it in 2015 and 2016.

If I was to guess, is that far? Cause I did it one. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause I think I did, I did 14, 15,

16, 18 and 21. Wow. Those years. So you're 15 and 16. Cause of the first year, nobody, I didn 18, and 21. Wow. Those years seem so long ago. You were 15 and 16. Okay. Because of the first year, I didn't really do it with anyone.

So anyways, this competition, which you're well-versed on it as well. Yeah. It's a little less formal than your standard competition. It's probably the first thing that'll... Yes. Just some funny takeaways always like there's always these same one-liners that get said every single time like this is the most fun you can have with your clothes on it's like heard that of course yeah like we sit wait for like wait for it yeah

wait for it here it comes okay um and then another anecdote i have from doing these highland games what i've noticed over the years is there's a lot of people that do it that even travel to some of these that don't really lift you know and that's fine i'm not i'm not criticizing them for not lifting but what they do is they don't really lift. And then as someone that doesn't really lift, they'll give out lifting advice. And it's like, you know, we live in a gym.

It's like, cause, cause I'll hear these things like, yeah. And if you want to get better, you know, it's good to maybe start getting in the gym a couple of minutes, a couple of months before you're competing, you know you know do your bench presses and i feel like i remember

someone saying something about push-ups like oh make sure you're getting your push-ups leading up to the competition there's people handing out like 1940s uh training advice at highland games competitions like like yes of course you're better if you're stronger like obviously this is almost as close as you can get to being a direct strength sport I mean it basically is a strength sport though I just kind of laugh at it

I don't get defensive about it or make a scene no but I mean that's a funny thing I've noticed over the years for anyone that spends any amount of time in a gym to hear those comments. Yeah. We got to represent the 8-Bit Highland Games tees this year, myself and Ryan. I heard those went over pretty well.

Yeah, Big Ryan and Big Brian, both from Aberdeen, both were rocking theirs as well. Brian Postal Carrier Brian? Yep. Okay, okay. Our man on the inside. Yep. Got to have that inside guy. And then otherwise, I hit a PR in like every single event.

Did you really? Absolutely no idea why. Actually, I shouldn't say that. All I could dig up was my numbers from 2018. I did better on every event than what I did in 2018. I don't know if those are actually technically my best. I can't imagine they're significantly better or worse than any of your ones before that though.

No, I don't think so. It should be in the ballpark. And I don't know why I would have done better. Um, I did get a few good pointers, but every year someone gives you a couple of pointers. It's hard to implement very much.

Getting the pointers as much different than putting them into action. Exactly. Uh, what, what would happen though is every attempt, almost on everything, I would do better on each subsequent attempt just because that constitutes my practice.

You've got to rep it. That's what we say about like, okay, some of the events you can come in whenever you want. It's like, well, I kind of have to come in early because I need reps. Like the weight over bar is always my best one. You can sit it out as long as you want. But I've got to come in early.

And like when I told the guy, I'm like, this is my practice. That's my best one. You can sit it out as long as you want. I've got to come in early. And like when I told the guy, I'm like, this is my practice. That's my best event though. And after. That's probably is the one that requires just the most actual strength. I think so. Cause it's a 56 pound one armed overhead toss.

It's funny. There's a website. It's like, it's called NASGA, North American Strongman Games Association, I think. And it's like uh it's called nasga north american strongman games association i think and it's hilarious it's like if open power lifting was made in 1999 and for the sport of highland games that doesn't surprise me it is crazy so you can see where you rank for like i could look up my 2018 results and like you can see like where my numbers this year would rank for everyone in 2021 and like in uh my worst events the weights for distance i out of all very technical events yes out of all amateurs that have competed this year like there's about a thousand i think i'd be like

500th on the weights for distance and then maybe my next worst events were like the hammers and i'd be like 300th yep and then after that um i i the the sheath toss is about 150th maybe because i'm pretty decent at that one then the stones this year i did really well on the stones like way better than i have before and that put me about like 100th ish maybe a 100 100 to 150th but the weight over bar i didn't even know this at the time i was really really close to getting the 15 foot one like all three times i just kept like hitting it on the way up i just need to stand a little farther out but i what i don't know yeah right and if i would have got that that's like 25th you know but also the line between the top five and the right oh absolutely there's like feet and

like the even just like the top two or three you know so there's someone but just even say you're in that area is is funny to say and it's funny because it's like we don't ever practice. You know, literally the last time I did any of those things was when I did it in 2018. Yes. And it just makes me think there'd be more people that are. But I do. But again, I think that particular event

does really rely on strength quite a bit. It does. And being tall doesn't hurt you. Yeah, that's a good point too. A guy that's, you know, over six foot is going to probably naturally have a little more success with a guy that's five five yeah for sure even a strong guy that's five five that's gonna be a tough a much tougher event we should i want to continue the conversation tanner but before we go too far we're gonna hear a quick word here oh

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we need to drink any beverages um we should okay okay well all right we're putting we're putting the highland games on a long hiatus i guess it's fine danny we're gonna do come back to it in three years we're gonna do a what's in the can so do you have that blindfold still or not yeah okay i'm gonna need you to suit up over there. Okay. Barney Stinson suit up just like that. All right. Tanner's getting suited. All right.

He has the proper uniform on. All right. This massonomics blindfold can be purchased on massonomics.com. People have been buying those lately, too. It's only $13. It's a steal for a nice blindfold. Okay, Tanner. This is a very special edition because it's a what's in the cup.

Ooh. So this is kind of at the bottom of the cup here. Okay. So you're going to have to do a little tipping before it gets to you. Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, so when you're... It's kind of tough to drink out of a cup blindfolded, but... Hmm.

Oh, I know what it is. I think you know what this is. I know what it is. I think you know what this is. I know what it is. Had I, you know, this not be something we just talked about, I wouldn't know what it is. But I would say this is, if I was to guess right, just judging by the body of it and the overall feel, this feels a lot like the state drink of Rhode Island.

Wow. Coffee milk. You even got the geography right on it. Let me look. It is, in fact, coffee milk. It is coffee milk. Let me take another shot at this now. So, I had to remind myself.

I knew I wanted us to follow up on this. Big Matt sent us this. Was it last weekend we had it? Yeah, last week. And I'm thinking I got to brew up a pot of Big Matt sent us this. Was it last weekend we had it? Yeah, last week. And I'm thinking I got to brew up a pot of coffee before we record at night until I realize, oh no, it's just milk. Milk and the syrup.

The syrup. I like how the first two ingredients are, the first ingredient, high fructose corn syrup. The second ingredient, corn syrup. Corn syrup in there twice. But it kind of tastes like... like milk so it's gonna taste kind of like milk with just a little bit of coffee flavor yeah right yeah i mean and i like milk and i like coffee yeah so you know what would go good with this a nice slice of hot pepperoni

i do like this though it's good i mean i don't know if it's worthy of being a drink for an entire state. It's an oddly specific drink. I actually got a little scared, Tanner. I went up and my boy needs his milk. He needs his bottle at like 6.30 in the morning. He needs that milk. And there was enough for us to do this. Just enough. Yeah, we got to leave the house he has he has one glass of milk waiting for him tomorrow morning and then yeah he's gonna need uh we're gonna need a refill we're gonna need

a refill so i'm gonna have to head out to the cow out back get to milk it so coffee milk i give it the three and a half it's cool beans and uh yeah i'd give it three and a half yeah i give it the three and a half it's cool beans and uh yeah i'd give it three and a half yeah i give it the three and a half uh seal of approval i wouldn't i just like regular milk i guess i don't know that i like the the market for milk additives is somewhat low that i would ever consider what are your options chocolate syrup quick quick powder quick i never i was never a chocolate milk guy that oh i like chocolate i was always just a straight up regular milk i i mean i like regular milk better too yeah for a certain under the certain scenario i do like chocolate milk too what about the psychos that would do

strawberry milk no no i don't know why that's never i know that that was not cool either no i didn't play that game that's vile i wouldn't even want that's never i know that that was not cool either no i didn't play that game that's vile i wouldn't even want that with a slice of pizza there are limits to what be consumed with pizza yes not strawberry milk is that really around anymore i don't know is it yeah it shouldn't be no i can't imagine it is. People had to have figured it out since then. Pretty good, though. Thank you, Big Matt.

If anyone else has any delightful state drinks they'd like to share with us, we'll gladly take them. We'll run the gamut. I wonder what our state drink is. Wouldn't that be funny if it was sparkling water? If it was a Pamplemousse LaCroix. I feel like it's not. It was right under our nose this whole time and we never knew.

Yeah. I suppose someone else already claimed bush light, so it's probably not that. Yeah. Let's see if we can even find. Lord Calvert. Yeah, that might be it. South Dakota State. South Dakota State drink.

Milk. State food, pizza. That kind of surprised me. I figured a different state would have that. Well, I mean, I suppose maybe more than one can claim it. Here, here's a perfect article. The list of U.S. state beverages. Here's a perfect article.

The list of U.S. state beverages. Ohio was first to designate tomato juice. If you have your first pick, that's maybe a bad call to make your first pick on. Yeah, I'd be like, and for the number one pick of the draft, we take tomato juice. This takes the shine off it a little bit.

The most popular choice for state beverage designation is milk yeah with 22 out of 30 entries oh 22 out of 30 entities 28 states and two territories with official okay oh yeah there's okay yeah yeah um rhode island chose coffee flavored milk so yeah i guess yeah yeah okay let's see if we can find anything crazy here. Alabama has whiskey. Nice. Lemonades, milks, orange juice. Maine has moxie. I like a good orange juice. Yeah.

Massachusetts has cranberry juice. Nebraska has, well, milk's the state beverage, but then they have a state soft drink, which is Kool-Aid. I don't know if I'd consider Kool-Aid a soft drink. No, absolutely not. I wouldn't consider it relevant anymore in 2020 i don't know people would have kool-aid south carolina has tea and milk and virginia has george washington's rye whiskey obviously see they're kind of they're looking at ones that have state beverages state hospitality beverages state spirits so those are actually yeah yeah puerto rico has pina coladas that's

pretty cool pina salada i have to say that every time so we say pina coladas that's a power thirst reference like 2005 youtube so tanner we we need to revisit our uh highland games that's enough highland games anyway is that unless you got something else the one thing i was gonna say the last the most memorable part for me for my last highland games was weight for distance i believe i threw the heavyweight farther than i threw the lighter weight that doesn't make a lot of sense it makes makes no sense. I think it was one of those things where the technique really started clicking with me because that could actually make sense.

But it still kind of doesn't make sense because there is a difference there. But I believe there was a little bit of coaching that went on. And I think we did the lightweight first. And then by the time we got to the heavyweight, it started to click a little bit. The heavyweight kind of makes you slow down anyways. And the form has to take over a little more.

I'm pretty sure if I did a Highland Games competition the week after I just did a Highland Games competition all my numbers would just go up like 10% just because it's like oh yeah I know it. Like oh yeah this old thing I'm like an expert at this. Now I did it three times last week. Doubled my reps in a

three year period right now in this week. So that's the Highland Games. And caper toss. I guess I didn't say it. How did that one go? Everyone in my group, whether they're C or B or A class, we all flipped the first one. Then the second one had broken, so we couldn't flip it.

So we had to move to the third one, which is a pretty – nobody ended up flipping it on the entire day. had you get three cracks at it and i had three i picked it up great i felt like really good about it i'm like oh yeah i'm gonna flip like i've would have would would have been super stoked to be the one person to you know because there were some people there that were pretty good too but i i kept thinking i could get it and i had a couple where it it it just would get up there close you know maybe at like 80 degrees or something and i just could not flip it uh yeah it's not but you know easy event no so nobody could flip that one but um it is fun yeah so that's the highland games see you again maybe in a couple years i wouldn't mind getting in on getting in on another one though it is it's it was it's fun it's way too long

sore the next day yeah my uh right trap and like below my trap that's throwing on yeah yes gets really sore uh i always like busting out the kilt and doing the full uh that was a new venue too our different venue for us. And it's pretty cool. Was it nice out there? There's almost less people, I think, because it's farther away, but it's really cool inside the trees.

It's where you got married. We're in that same area, kind of. So it's a cool spot. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. Do we have something else over there? over there do we want to do another can i i'd like to have something to drink so i'd love to do a can

double double beverage segment yeah this this is a submission so i don't know what's in here either we're brown bagging it this is a submission from someone. It came with a card, unopened, as you can see. Maybe you want the honors. I can do the honors. Okay, so we got a very nice peacock envelope here. All right, let's get to the bottom of this. Is it a matching peacock card? It appears to be so.

It is. It is, in fact, a matching peacock card. With gold foil. Rhode Island state bird. With gold foil. Masonomics guys, enclosed is my contribution to what's in the can segment. It's a perfect. Did I ever tell you I'm maybe the world's worst handwriting reader like for real yeah um it's the perfect something from your only oh still the perfect something from

your only girl listener and for this tanner read this i can't read hand and it's good handwriting i'm just enclosed as my contribution to the what's in the can segment it's a perfect selection from your only girl listener and for the season i sent two just in case shipping goes wrong because i can't imagine you'll want to well that's that's thanks for all you do, Big Jess. Awesome. Yeah. So... That was kind of like dumb and dumber trying to read to her.

Yeah, that's a tough one. I'm concerned that she said I can't imagine you'll want to. Okay, so we're not looking yet then, huh? No, we're brown bagging it still. Okay. Ooh, that's a very aromatic... Ooh, that's a very aromatic.

Okay, what is that flavor? Mine doesn't taste like much of anything. It's more the scent, honestly. The very, like, herbally... I'm gonna... Oh, um... Like a potpourri kind of... Wait, actually, let me taste that again that's something on the oh uh it almost tastes gingerbread like gingerbread to me i think you're right i think

you're right yeah it's got like a that spicy kind of ginger yeah it's like that that spice yeah yeah nutmeg is that or i don't know what's what's it gingerbread, but let's see. Oh, it's an ugly. Oh, is it like a pumpkin spice? Oh, it is a pumpkin spice. Right. Of course. So this is a pumpkin spice flavored sparkling water.

Ugly. We've had an uglies before. We have? Okay. With other natural flavors. I don't know what flavor flavor it was but i don't know this isn't terrible i mean i'll probably drink this whole thing but yeah well it's a pretty muted flavor so i can uh this one really is one where it feels like for some reason i'm drinking it and then i'm just getting the smell afterwards yeah that tastes all right i've had way worse stuff on here as a seasonal

beverage i think it works yeah i think it does i could give this a three and a half i yeah i'm on the three to three and a half like i i that's on a seasonal scale though like in the middle of summer i'm probably giving it a two and a half right uh yeah i mean i'm down with the three and a half especially on a seasonal scale ugly pumpkin spice not too shabby i'm actually honestly surprised how good this actually works in my head it seems like it'd be a terrible idea but now that i take another sip i'm you know what i'm getting hints of cherry coke they're gonna say pumpkin pie well they're kind of the same though cherry coke are you noticing that at all yeah yeah okay yep yep there it is that cherry coke just hits different

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Can't hold anything back now, can you? It's do or die, Tanner. Should we back out? The only downside is this means the running gag is over. It's like the end of an era. Yeah. And I hate to lose a running gag. I actually didn't even think of that until right now.

Should we ghost him? We probably should. All right. You know what? The dog even think of that until right now. Should we ghost him? We probably should. You know what? The dog even came out. Bernie's here. He knew how big of an event this was. I guess we'll try Johnny then. What's up? Big Johnny, is that you? Yes, it is.

Excellent. How's it going? Great. You're on the podcast with Tanner and Tommy. What's up, Johnny? How's it going? I thought about starting like an intro to YouTube video just right away. What's up, guys?

Just trying to give you a training issue. Sometimes it just probably comes out as habit. You meet someone on the street and you just fall back to what I know. It just flows. It's a decade of that line flowing. We are very excited to get you on, Johnny. It's been a long time coming. I'm not sure if you're aware of that or not.

This has to be the most long-awaited thing I've done in my life. I don't think this amount of persistence and dedication has ever been put towards anything I've done. I don't know if you've noticed, but some of our followers are pretty pretty passionate about being on the show. Yeah. I have no choice but to respect it after, like after the first year beyond that, then, then it just goes into straight respect. Maybe the first six months kind of annoying. Then after it's like a year and a half, you're like, okay, this is doing that. Tanner said something that right before we had you on that didn't even cross my mind and he said you know once we have this phone call we we lose that ability to to like like running the gag is over not having johnny on the podcast like that's gone

now and that's kind of sad actually yeah that's like hopefully it's not one of those things where the realization is disappointment but i don't we have just the biggest hype ever and it's just like imagine if my like audio quality was so bad you just couldn't even hear me yeah i was like so you have yeah this is my i was gonna say this is my uh i think it's my third podcast ever as far as uh not episodes but as far as podcast channels because i think the only ones I've done is Iron Culture with Omar Yusuf. And then the other one is Two White Lights with Angelo Fortino. So this is the third one. I think the Angelo one was voted podcast of the year for their thing.

I don't know anything about the podcast ecosystem. So I don't even know how to judge episodes. Yeah, we're the final judge so yeah we'll just decide like do you guys get every time i it's i know it's like kind of rude to ask but it's like do you guys get metrics based on that like do you see the back end of like okay that was really good we'll we'll know exactly you know within uh a week after this air you know this will come out uh this upcoming monday and within a week after that air. This will come out this upcoming Monday. And within a week after that, we'll have a really good idea of how well.

We'll usually have a really good idea within the first 48 hours. Right. True. Okay. Good. Yeah. Because everything I do, it's always, as far as YouTube, since it's such immediate feedback, it's always like, okay, so the goal is this and then this.

And then if it's a flop, it's a flop. If not, it's not. But it seems like podcasts are very nonchalant just as a medium. Well, and I think the analytics themselves are imperfect, but you can still compare week to week. You can make the – the numbers themselves might not be perfect, but you can still make the comparisons. There's trend lines that you can follow. So, yeah. Because the one thing I checked for you guys' stuff was just on YouTube. but you can still make the comparison. There's trend lines. Right. So yeah, you, so do you, cause the,

the other one thing I checked for you guys and stuff was just on YouTube. And that was, that that's the only way it makes sense to me. I see the one with John Hag. I'm like, okay, I see what's going on. Right.

Right. Yeah. And a YouTube is such a, the YouTube is such a very small portion of, uh, the, of people that consuming the podcast, the YouTube makes up a really, uh, we do it because it puts it out there and it's probably there are people that find us

that way and there are people that prefer to listen that way but uh yeah yeah definitely the that is the minority on on youtube for us yeah that's interesting you guys have good video quality i respect it thank you yeah we uh tommy's the man on that we've put a little more effort into that over over time here but yeah we're always yeah we've been i think we've been in this setup for about a year and we'll probably do for a little change sometime soon here but yeah try and keep it fresh you guys uploading 4k no you don't upload in 4k i'm gonna i'm gonna leave well you know our problem is our length yeah the thing that's insane is like so right now i'm using a a canon mirrorless camera and you can't even record you know we're recording we do this all in one take

and our average episode is about an hour and a half long and so you can't record over 30 minutes on these on the camera i have so we have to record you an external recorder and then i usually record in higher quality so like the external recorder like video, once I bring it into my computer, it's like almost 200 gigs. The video itself is. Yeah. And then for like my computer to, to make,

and that's just the 10 80 piece of 4k would be four times that. So that'd be an 800 gig file for us, which it just like to export that would just take so long. And yeah, so we just, we just stick with HD. Yeah. That's what's funny is I i actually have um i have recently i have i have like multiple cameras i have like two 4k cameras one 6k camera one 8k camera and what's funny is the 6k raw one it's a panasonic s5 and then with

an external recorder like you're talking about with a black magic raw external recorder and what's funny is the highest quality version for 33 minutes would be one terabyte yeah it's so much it's like all right i'm never using that mode yeah it just it gets to the point where it's just like the files are unwieldy and cumbersome and it's it ends up not being worth it for all to go on YouTube and get super compressed anyways. Like it's, yeah. Yeah. But it is interesting actually on that topic is that is something that I'm really working on is specifically something I'm trying to make a thing. That's not a thing on YouTube fitness at all right now is HDR video. And the reason being, and I think that I really think this is going to be a big

deal obviously like probably a year and a half from now it'd probably be more universal but the thing that i think nobody talks about enough is that most phones can display hdr video like now most people most people watch on their phones on youtube at least it's 40 to 60 percent and every samsung galaxy iphone 11 12 and then now 13 they all can show full hdr and that's what i'm going to focus like that's actually why i got that uh specific combo for that camera is not so much the resolution because realistically i mean i do like 4k personally but it's like one of those things where you know most of your audience isn't going to notice yep but hdr video on youtube i think is going to be that it's going to have the sauce because that that's the thing that especially

if you look at hdr video on even just a samsung galaxy it looks crazy like it's very noticeable yeah and that's i have like no experience in that field because i'm now rocking an iphone that's like three years old so i don't have true hdr and like having actual like good quality HDR monitors are pretty insanely expensive still for the most part so yeah I don't have much uh much uh experience myself with the with the HDR world yeah I'm overdosing on it I'm going nuts like I literally I'm like I the moment I saw like a proper HDR video I'm like okay now I have now I have a, I have a Samsung galaxy phone that displays HDR. I have a laptop that displays HDR. It's a arrow 15 with an OLED display. And then I have an LG C1 48 inch TV as a computer monitor. I'm just like, it's like, I have like literally three different HDR displays. But, um, I think for the most part,

it's just the phones. Like I do think a lot of people have iPhone 11 and 12, really. It's really Apple that drives all of this. Yeah, and they do. Yeah, they're new ones now shooting their Apple ProRes or whatever, which captures HDR2. So yeah, there's a lot going on there. But one thing, so talking about your videos, we were talking before the show. Would you say if someone said fitness YouTube, would you say you're part of fitness YouTube? That's a good question.

I would say yes. I would say yes. Okay. So in that line, when I think of fitness YouTube. Where are you going? Yeah. So a lot of times, and this actually has nothing to do with the question, but a lot of times fitness YouTube, it's more of kind of like a vlog style training logs. You know, pretty, it's, here's what's going on.

I have maybe some voiceovers of me talking and here's what it is it's fairly cut and dry you know what to expect but your videos have a little something a little extra flavor sprinkled on them and beyond just beyond uh thank you just uh video quality like what we're talking i think there's like a little bit of a a different creative element something like there's some sound design going on there's some yeah some actual yeah you guys i feel it feels great i think there's actually you know there's kind of some interesting creative things you've done like what one thing i i've noticed you've done this a few times in videos it always reminded me of i don't know if you ever watch Ren and Stimpy or maybe more commonly SpongeBob SquarePants.

They would sometimes shift to these ultra close-up, ultra detailed. Like the crash zooms. Yeah, and it's like on their eyeball and it's like all bloodshot. And like I've kind of seen, I don't know if I've seen you maybe do that same thing or just things that remind me of that before. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Right. same thing or just things that remind me of that yeah it did yeah right yeah like it's funny because yeah it's exactly like uh what you're saying where i think from my personal perspective and i know

everybody has a different opinion on this i think there is an immense advantage to editing your own videos where you go i have an idea and it's like you can tell i'm the one doing the idea you could just you can feel that like even if like here's actually an idea that i want to do for my next video which i'm going to literally record this tonight is i want it to be now i'll have to see if it if it ends up being just like cringeworthy or ends up working well but i want to record like as if i'm talking about my workout just normally with like no sound it just sounds like just regular and then like it slowly starts to rhyme a little bit and then and then dramatic music comes in and it's like

spoken word like slam that's what i think is fun because like on the surface especially you know if someone's not super familiar with who you are or is a really casual watcher, like they might pop in and be like, OK, yeah, this is kind of your expected fitness YouTube video. But then there's that one thing that goes on with the sound or like that, you know, like it kind of catches you off guard. And then like there's kind of maybe that like fun graphic that comes in and it just adds to that enjoyment level. And so I guess i'm saying i appreciate those things oh yeah thank you you know who i'd say i like the the most as far as inspirations where it's like do you ever have that feeling when you see something where you're like

i know i like this and because you know there's certain things where you kind of culturally learn to like especially i would say musically where there are certain things where you're like this is in my genetics that this is funny like this is just this is what funny is to me and that's how i felt the first time i saw eric andre and i'd say that's what some of my humor is like pretty similar to that where it's like that absurdism you're just like if you had a tv show or you have a video you can do whatever you want yeah like like that to me has always been the main uh focus and yeah it is like because sometimes it is like kind of uh different process wise like i remember there was one time where like what's cool is since you can do whatever you want there's one time where like i had a sound

effect first and then you hear a sound effect and you're like oh i could think of like a graphic that goes with that and like start with the sound effect as opposed to the opposite it's like you can do whatever you want or you can um well there's actually a specific thing that i do that um i don't think i know of youtubers that do it where you basically use animated gifs especially if they have a uniform background and use gifs and then and then usually they're like lower frame rate so you have to you have to double time it and then copy it a lot. And then you can adjust it however you want. And then like, it just has a different flavor because it's like, if you're using something

that's like a green screen, YouTube video or video elements off of, you know, some site that everybody uses, like, uh, um, uh, I'm forgetting the name, but there, you know, there are a handful of sites where you're like, okay. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Where you're like, okay, I get the lens flare is like this lens flare. It's an orange one. And you transition from a low pass hip hop beat to then like, we've seen certain things

that are the same style. Whereas if you just use, if you use like media, that's not necessarily in one spot, you can just do a lot of crazy things. The only downside is it might take forever to find it forever. Like I'm the type to where if I have a sound, like I will, I will see how it sounds at a hundred percent, then at like 50%. And then I just, my biggest flaw is I never just stopped at like 50%, 75% or a hundred.

I go, okay. 77%. All right. How's this out at 82? And I was like that part I probably should. It's like Johnny in the studio, run it back, run it back. Because the worst thing too is like sometimes something will sound like a really good idea and it's like kind of seems good. And then afterwards you look at it and you're like, okay, I did go too far. The rabbit hole can go too deep sometimes. But yeah, overall, I think the best thing creatively, in my opinion, is to do something,

then it sounds good or looks good then overdo it and then peel back like that's almost always what i do yeah that's not a bad approach though let's really take it to the extremes and because you never know if you've done enough until you overdo it and then you go okay then then you bring it back but um yeah it's overall that is really ultimately what i love about youtube and why I think it's such a I think YouTube is such a unique platform where you see on Instagram, at least from my scene, I think Instagram slowly dying as far as the amount of people on it just generally. And I think it is because like there's less room to to do all this, like there's less room to express yourself, to, to do really whatever you want. Like you could do long form video, short form video, whatever you want. Yeah. I, yeah, it certainly doesn't seem to be growing and you know, it doesn't, it doesn't. Yeah.

I think it is. Right. Right. Yeah. I know. You know what I hate is like, I'll lose, I'll lose like 0.7 K followers if I don't post in a month. And I'm just like, why did you leave though? If you're not, if you're not gaining followers, you are losing followers, which is so weird. Like the number of times I'm going through and like pruning my Instagram, like follow list is it's I maybe I've done it a few times ever but like apparently a lot of people do that though well accounts ceasing to exist any longer I suppose yeah a lot of bots yeah yeah um so I I would imagine you know you've been pumping out YouTube videos for probably about a decade um and I you know you evolved over that period of time um do you think now you're to a

point where uh what what's your goal or your mission with that is it is it fewer videos that you're doing more with or you know what's your approach going forward with it well right now is definitely more videos okay actually um because this is an interesting question, too, because there was definitely a time where I was like, OK, I don't know if I I don't know if I want to do like one video a month or one video every one to three months. Like there's definitely a time where there's a time where I didn't upload for like 14 months. for like 14 months um but there was and then there was a time where i was like okay i i think one video every one to three months while focusing on coaching would be the best balance and i mean luckily what's happened since since i basically bought a new laptop which helped a lot with speed it wasn't the only thing but i bought like a handful of things that helped out and just basically it always comes down to just trying certain things.

But this year especially, things have just gone really well to where it actually seems like it'd be more sensible to focus on YouTube even more. And it is always very hard time-wise. It's very hard to predict. But really, my goal is three videos a month, if possible, and to just go super hard on it. And then it's like then when you go hard on it, it depends. Obviously, I don't want to give too much information out, but it depends on what type of deals you do. It definitely can make sense if you go hard on it.

You definitely can say like all right like a thousand dollars to mention this thing and then you can do it like and so really it's like whatever you want whatever you want to make of it and i would say uh more and when i hurt my back it was more like okay i don't know what i want to make videos about and then when i would make a video be like really well edited, but now it's like the opposite to where I have so many ideas that I'm like, I just, I do feel like I need to just get it out. And I'd still want to do those kind of over the top ideas, but I don't want to make it to where it's to the point where I literally can't get it out. Like I have a video

idea for the seven week program release that like I've already put like probably a hundred hours into it, but that was actually during like partially during a time when I wasn't uploading as much, but it's like an astronaut theme thing. And it's just, it's ridiculous, but it's one of those where it can get so ridiculous that you're like, I'll just never finish this if I don't just make some decisions here to just shorten the process. But yeah, so overall I've definitely, it's definitely a conflict. Like it's definitely a conflict to say, okay, I want to get this video out, but then, you know, if you don't, if you don't put that extra sauce on it, it's, it's not that it's bad, but it just feels like it doesn't have to exist. And I hate that. I hate videos that feel like

they don't have to exist. Right. Yeah. Cause I'm sure we've all seen it where you see a vlog where you're like, okay, like, did I really need to watch that yeah yes absolutely um along those lines then do you have what is there one video you've ever made that sticks out to you as your finest your uh uh the masterpiece open opus uh magnus whatever it is that your your finest hour i think probably the powerlifting comeback video my i think it comes down to two videos either the powerlifting comeback video or the red dead redemption video because i had a red dead redemption parody where like that one especially in terms of time put in it was like ridiculous because it like, even the outro was just like the chalk was animated and then the sun was, was a circling while I was like a animated version of me holding my dog.

And it was like, it's just one of those where I took so much. And that's like a fairly long video, isn't it too? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I remember when that popped up, like I just clicked on it, you know, like the time it would have came out and just thinking, okay, I'm going to watch this like training video. And like right away,

I was like, Whoa, something's going on here. Like I'm not, I'm not in, I'm not going into what I thought I was going into. So yeah, those that I, I do remember that one. That was a good video. Yeah. Thank you. And I'm, I'm surprised, you know, that shows it shows you the real deal. But we have been we have both actually been following you for and that is kind of funny to think about like you know i probably ran like one of the sick the uh i don't know if it i think it's the six weeks six weeks yeah in maybe like 2013 and that's probably i didn't run the program then but i that's probably around when i came across you too was like 20 i would assume there and it's like why i mean obviously you were like getting into the algorithm

or you know you were finding you were somehow getting in other places but i don't know how we like it wasn't like tanner and i telling each other about you like but it was just like people knew who you were and that was fairly early on it feels like like do you know why i mean you had to have noticed that too what do you mean well like as far as you just i mean you were just kind of like in the power lifting culture from an early time as far as it was being on the cutting edge you know is that part of it that you were you were uh there at the right time too you know obviously you're putting i would say it's very yeah it was very deliberate like it's very um i mean i think it's it is one of those things where it's so many things yeah but i would definitely say i mean it's kind of the typical conflict of obviously there's to some extent there's like the right time right place and then there's survivorship bias on one

end and then on the other end being the person doing it it definitely feels very like each decision was just the right decision that's what it feels like for by crispate so yeah there's a mix of like there's some of both but like what i would say is it's especially if you look at a lot of youtubers early on it really is a very deliberate hustle like it really is not an accident at all because like i would post i mean i'd post stuff where i'll give a few examples is first of all i had a video against repito that i've since deleted just because like or i made it private because that was a question i had i had yeah we'll come back to that so yeah so so here's the thing it's like what's funny too is like

as i was recording that i literally was getting laughed at in the other room in the library and i'll never forget moments like that where i'm like it's just so funny because it almost as I was recording that, I literally was getting laughed at in the other room in the library. And I'll never forget moments like that where I'm like, it's just so funny because it almost feels like a movie to where you're like, I'm literally getting made fun of for being like kind of loud and like hearing them laugh. And it definitely required a certain risk to where I'm like, I'm going to do this no matter what. So I would record videos throughout college in just different rooms because I had a roommate. So there's definitely a certain point where you just have to make it happen. And then as far as specific traffic, well, it would come down to two things. One is objectively at that point, I was second at nationals relative to my age and weight class.

My bat just helps. And then also what I would do is i would post the forums i would post the reddit forums and uh and t nation i was jc tree chunks on t nation jc tree yeah and i would post i mean i post stuff like and it's it was sincere questions i said can i make the olympics and here's my squad and you just you just get roasted oftentimes not always and uh and i think it was that willingness to just say why can't i make the olympics tell me argue with me and like because i had that attitude i mean that would legitimately posting on forums would get those early videos like three to five thousand views yeah like just immediate and early on like that is was a very

powerful thing when we've talked about with several other people before, like Dave Tate and others, how, how big of a deal forums were at one point in time. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say it was that. And then it was also like, there were a series of decisions where I was like, I just think I, I now I don't want to imply that other people do things wrong, blah, blah, blah. But obviously there are certain things where you can be more deliberate than other people.

Like there are other, like a good example is like when I was in college, I remember I was offered $2,000 to mention something. And I, I would never do that. Even though it would obviously be like a huge deal money wise. It was like, there were certain decisions like that where I knew like, okay, from 2011 to 2014, I'm never going to do any of that. So I never, I mean, I literally never took a sponsorship deal up until like 200,000 subscribers. What was your reasoning then? Cause that had to look like pretty good though. Didn't it? Yeah. But see, I'm not, I don't want to become pretentious,

but I'm really not motivated by that. Okay. Really not. Like I really believe in powerlifting, especially at that time. Believed in it to an extent to where I'm like – and I believed in myself. That like long term, I know I can learn like what I'm learning now where my stuff is different than it was back then. And I've always felt confident in that. So I never felt like it's a fleeting moment that you like get what you can now. i've always kind of had that mindset of like okay nothing is more important than reputation like if you never see me co-sign a test booster ever it will make you view me differently and it should i mean it's just that's true and it just matters in and of itself too like

it's not just to have a good reputation but it's like if you really care about it it's not just to have a good reputation, but it's like, if you really care about it, it's like you, cause I remember back in the day, YouTube was actually filled with BS. Like there really is a sense of like, there's something that needs to be changed. There's no how to squat video. That's correct. I'm going to make the correct one. Like that was always my mindset. And, uh, I think that's ultimately what works the best is that there has to be a clear purpose and you say there is a hole here like that's why i would never be a blogger because i'd never say

there's not enough logs no one's doing this right i must take it on myself yeah exactly and like that's why i've never made like a you know how to squat video again just like for the sake of it because then it's like okay if i think maybe if i like a, you know, how to squat video again, just like for the sake of it. Because then it's like, okay, if I think maybe if I think quality wise, you know, maybe there needs to be an HDR, how to squat video. So maybe if I think there's a need for it, I could, but, uh, yeah, it's like overall that, that sense of there needs to be a lane here. I, and as a viewer, I think it helped me also that I watched a lot of YouTube and I still do.

So it's like, as a viewer, I watched basically every fitness channel and I know what I like and don't like about you. And I'm like, okay, I don't like that or that wasted too much time here. And then it's, I think it's that competitive mindset that really helps. Cause then you go, okay, like who's making better videos than me at that time. And it's like that more of that attitude combined with obviously YouTube growing as a whole. But yeah if youtube you know it's funny i think i told omar they said like there was a time where my channel was uh like basically banned because of i forget why oh yeah they they thought that i click bombed ads because someone must have been clicking on my ads too much and actually removed my channel and the fact that that google that Google reinstated my channel, if they didn't do that,

I don't think I would have done YouTube. Cause I think I would have been like, okay, that's too much work. I do think you missed out on, you could have sold a lot of tribulus tea boosters in the day though. Oh yeah. I forgot to say one big thing too, was the, the mix of bodybuilding content with the parallel thing. Right. Right. It's like, I big thing too, was the, uh, the mix of bodybuilding content with the parallel thing. It's like, I am, cause that was something where like, I knew very specifically, I'm like, I know I don't care about this to the level that a lot of people care. I

mean, when I came up, Ziz was very popular. It was like, it's, it's, how do you manage that? Do you just end up being the out of touch guy? Who's like, why do you like Ziz? He just looks like a guy who does casual drugs. And was some party like it's because to me it's like i don't get that feels this really at all but then you you start to like compromise with the audience and i think that's something a lot of people especially now on youtube don't do is like the moment their views fall off like they don't think, what can I do differently? Is there a meeting in the middle that I should do? Should I switch things up and just see what works? Experiment.

Yeah. So we talked about some of your best videos ever. What I wanted to ask, and you did hit on it, is if ever, how many you've had to go back and remove for any reason? And you brought up uh the rip one has there been others or yeah there was one on stiff like deadlifts that i remember there was one stiff like deadlifts and then one on butt link that i removed and it was like they weren't even that bad like they they got over 100 000 views and they were and i remember the stiff like deadlift one was actually the first one matt ogus saw and uh i really that

was a huge uh he matt ogus was the first person to come on my channel first person uh ever and i was like i'd never forget being in college and it was like it's it's it sounds it's very strange that another man comments on my channel like it literally made like my body feel warm. There's a lot of blood rushing around. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what type of, what type of caveats I have to give to that. But it was like that. I mean, I'm, I'll never forget it. And I, I was just in some dorm room in Northern Michigan university when that happened. And I'm just like, Oh my God, like I really could not believe it. It was like, it was really one of the top, probably top three moment in my entire life because it was, and it was such a positive, like you should make more videos. Like you really could, could do this. And it was like, it was just a really over the top

positive comment. And it was only, what's funny is looking back is on a four or five for 13 rep deadlift. So now it's like like like back in the day that was like oh that's crazy yeah this is quality content yeah yeah but yeah as far as the information goes like that is a great question it is really uh it's a tricky balance i think i think that is something that's helped with the longevity of my channel as well is that i i haven't given too many opinions on things where i'm like really uncertain on or it's really just a hunch like there were there was like i said i think the stiff leg delaf video which you know for the most part i still think was useful but they're just like a few things i said where i'm like eh it's like like i said something about like activation lower part of the hamstrings or something where I'm like, I don't know.

I don't know if I was just making that up. There are certain things you can extrapolate that kind of make sense. But I think for the most part, I don't think I've deleted any other video other than the Ripito and the Stiff Leg. And the Ripito toe one i still am very glad i made it like the rip it one i don't think was wrong information wise and the funny thing is like there have actually been people who uh who disagree with rip it toe now who've fallen out with rip it toe who disagree with me then so they were kind of in rip it toes corner and disagreed with me but then everybody kind of

eventually leaves ripito and then it's like yeah no greg knuckles is right about you want your hips under the bar it's kind of funny i've the whole time like i've been i was kind of against rip it this cute from the beginning but uh that's actually how greg knuckles and i met too like we we talked online at real the time of that video so yeah it's overall it's like i think there are very few things that you end up regretting as long as you update like as long as you're like okay you know like beltless work i think most of us believed beltless work was more effective than we believe now i think that's just like a generally true thing as studies come out showing it doesn't increase activation to not have a belt.

So, like, there are certain things that you can just update, and it's, you know, it's no big deal. I think it really is only if you show poor character in a video. And I've never really just had a video where I'm, like, just wilding out. You're just like, what the hell? you're just like what the hell because i i know dude i know some i know some channels where like like they use the the f word uh towards a particular group not like the f word is in the other effort and it was like one of those where you could tell like man if that video was still around today like that would not be well received if you can tell that they believe yeah like i i think it's always helped that I've always, uh,

had kind of more of the like Catholic school mindset with, with public content. Like I've just, I've never felt like it would be intuitively comfortable to cuss a lot publicly. I've just never, I've never, or that, or that it like gets you something different that I,

or gives you an advantage. I don't know. I also think it's, it's, it's, it's worth more sparing anyways, you know, the less you use it, the more it means when you do. Yeah. Yeah. That's true too. Yeah. That's like, that's why the only time I would cuss on videos is like in a skit or something. And then it's, yeah, then I definitely think it

makes it funnier, but I do know, I totally think it's an advantage long-term. Like I, and that's something that I've always believed too is like you have to think from youtube's perspective i mean look at how the adpocalypse happened and look at i mean just how sponsors think it's like an end of the day it's going to pay off if you have you know clean content and dude i think some people forget just how like i mean and this is someone who i'm uh i admire a lot and i'm cool with i want want to collab with, but like Chris Jones, like literally his logo is two girls on their knees. Like, like,

no, I don't, I don't know if longterm like that. How much does this have for legs to it? Like, yeah. How far can you go with this? I don't know.

Hard to say. Yeah. And it was like, it was kind of that peak, like Hodge twins era where it's really funny. Like the nut busted. I love it, but it's like yeah it comes with risk you you brought up the matt august thing how that was a big deal for you at

the time when you got the comment oh yeah funny thing uh so we've been podcasting for five this is five and a half years this episode is the five and a half year anniversary we haven't missed an episode over those five and a half years every week and uh we started uh putting them on youtube around episode 30 or something so i would say five years ago yeah approximately and we actually had a few comments on some of our early videos that that were in that realm uh namely one of them being from you, Johnny. Really? Yes. We got a couple of comments from you back,

I would say four to five years ago on YouTube. We were probably under 100 episodes, I think, right? Yeah, for sure. And I vividly remember the conversations being like, oh, did you see Johnny commented on the YouTube video? Like, that's crazy. So what I would, what we were wondering is can you remember anything?

Because we most, mostly like to talk about ourselves on the podcast. So can you remember in one of the first instances where you became familiar with massonomics in any way? No. with massonomics in any way no that's the best answer i would have to think about it i i think i would have to honestly see like the thumbnail or title because that's the thing like i was it was it significantly different it was probably significantly different the format now right it was oh yeah because i'm definitely a very visual person so like i really like if i saw the thumbnail or whatever i probably then like immediately picture the video but whenever i

think about you guys i just think about the current setup now right like everything yeah we all look different the room was different it was all there was another there was another person it was significantly different yeah but yeah it is funny though it's like but that connects back to like what i was saying as far as like actually watching youtube and like i'm sure i was really yeah actually into it like i definitely never comment if i'm not even though i do there were some youtubers who would uh who would do that you know who would just comment like everywhere for the sake of it yeah that's a strategy a strategy, I suppose. Yeah, exactly. And it was like an explicit strategy. Dude, I see, that's where, again, I know this might be survivorship bias, but like, I do think

people can feel when you're real. Like I do, I just think people can sense that like, okay, you're not just commenting just for the sake of it. Um, the fun is to make is when you, when you go on someone you know if we can jump in on your uh say instagram post or your youtube and have like the perfect funny comment that just like blows up and in likes in the comment section like that's one that's more rewarding than coming up with like good original stuff like when we have a post of our own that does really well like i always love that feeling it's, they're, they, they all get it too. Yeah.

Yeah, dude, that is, yeah, that's the cool, like even, even, uh,

on my recent Instagram post, like Ed Cohn commented and there always is just something so cool about the fact that it's like so many different people interacting where you go like Ed Cohn and I would never be talking. You know what's funny is how this is the weirdest thing is i actually had a very weird moment with uh ed initially is dude his twitter i i thought for sure was a bot like i thought for sure and i think it i think there was some bot action going on like very very early on so this is what like before you posted videos and stuff and i swear i think i made some like

cheeky kind of like negative comment in reply because like every every tweet was like linking to something so i was like okay i thought this was a bot and then it replied seriously like that's really bad is aware yeah like whoa because it's yeah it's so interesting how i think we've seen older generations as well like kind of it's kind of like breaking through the fourth wall where it's like it used to be okay if you're a It's so interesting how I think we've seen older generations as well. It's kind of like breaking through the fourth wall where it's like it used to be, okay, if you're a very successful powerlifter or bodybuilder, you talk through a magazine and then you kind of give corny advice on how you should train really hard. Yeah, you don't have a real personality and you're hidden behind five layers. Right, kind of like the Joe Weider thing where like, he kind of like manufactures, you know, to some extent Arnold. And it's like, it, it becomes this facade. Whereas I think what's so cool now is it's all broken down. And then I think you do see a lot of the, the smarter lifters tend to last much longer. And a lot of the guys, like, I'll never forget when I saw Dave Tate say, um, what he thinks about Greg Knuckles. And he's like, I think he's great. Like he, he writes about a lot of, or he was subscribed to mass, uh, the journal. And he's like, he, he informs me on stuff I didn't know.

And I was just like, just that attitude alone goes so far because there's so many in the past, especially with Ripa though, in particular, there was like this attitude that like in 30 years, you'll understand Ripa toes. Right. I remember I got that comment a lot. It's like, no, I don't think so it's it's so fun and you probably experienced this this even to a greater extent but when you've been a long around in the space long enough like especially with the podcast we've we've gotten to have you know say everyone we're talking about

dave greg rip you we've had all of you on the podcast before so every time we talk about one of these people we can actually draw from like a personal experience and it just it makes it that much yeah we've we had rip on our podcast and uh we were actually on his podcast even too so i mean you could say we were on it we might not have participated much but we were on it yeah yeah see that i you know i will say that's another important thing as far as online content is also it's like there's definitely part of me that likes almost everybody who posts videos. And I'll agree with them on certain things. Like I like that Ripita was very – I don't know where you guys stand on this, but where he was very outspoken as far as the transgender rules as it pertains to the female division. And like,

that's where Ripa tone, I completely agree on. And yeah, I made a video basically defending the USAPL at the time. And it's one of those things where I would say from what I've sensed, most people agree with the USAPL on that. and it was just, it's funny because then someone said like,

yeah, like you and Ripa toe are the two ones like willing to say something on this and i do find that cool where it's like rip it and i may have totally different temperaments on on almost everything else like totally different attitudes but yeah yeah and i and i don't mind at all like and maybe his reasoning is a little bit more you know cut and dry whereas you know maybe maybe i would find my argument slightly more convincing but then today it's like it doesn't even matter. Because sometimes it's a matter of what type of character does someone have? And I do think Repito seems like a high character guy.

And then it's just, okay, is he open-minded? Maybe not as much. Yes, I would say absolutely not. Tanner, you let that one go for a second. I was trying to think, thinking in my head of what I would describe and that's a good way like absolutely not open-minded definitely not no but he's still a good guy and that's yeah like i will he's very nice all day working with yeah on on people who think louis was a better influence of ripito i think are dead wrong like i think ripito did exactly the most important thing which is the basics to as many people as possible.

And at the end of the day, Ripito and I both have the same goal in that. I think both of us, we would rather see more people squat with a bar than anything else, than having a world championship team or seeing a study on heeled shoes versus flat shoes for the 5,000th time, which shows there's no meaningful difference in activation in the quads. Like how many times have we seen that? Like we've had enough of that with like an 11-person study. I think that –

Yeah, go ahead. Well, I just think that part of the – there's a little bit of a – what happens with Rip is that they really do want – their main goal is to teach just the basics to the beginners. Like that's where they really excel at. And like a lot of people will take what they're doing and like apply it to other things that they're not necessarily really trying to apply it to. Yeah. They're like almost projecting their right of it on other. Right.

And that's where it gets like where it really gets out of whack then too, because it's not really ideal for a lot of other situations. But I think that's part of the part of you know and then there is like the zero open mindedness part of it you know and that all plays into it but in the olympic weightlifting thing like that's yeah that's one early on where i was like uh rip it to the same like he says everybody should low bar squat and yeah what he recently said about lasha that like or uh i forget was it about lasha i think yes it was uh that technique doesn't you know it's just strength yeah technique doesn't matter for the snatch it's just like okay that's

just stop why are you even talking about this so i do think uh yeah there are problems there but yeah like i said it's to me it's it's the character and i do think i mean every now and then i'll talk to people who post online like it's very very rare but every now and then you do see some people who are slightly low character wise and it's like it just stands out very much and they almost never last because it's like it's just you just can't be like that but it's like i i mean i've really talked to people where it's like they've collabed with um like omar omar had them on the channel. And then they complained to me that Omar uploaded again too soon. And I was like, what? And it got like 50,000 views, but he wanted him to let it sit.

I'm like, damn, that's entitled. Right, yeah, absolutely. Calling the shots on someone else's channel. Right. Some people do have that attitude. And I think that's what's helped me early on. When Omar wanted to collab, Omar helped me out a ton early on big time and it was definitely one of those things where it's like when to me when someone helps me it's like there's an obligation to to provide your value and then to also not be weird about it and i just

think so many people are weird about like so many people you kind of mention them and then to also not be weird about it. And I just think so many people are weird about it. Like so many people, you kind of mentioned them and then they like become, they gravitate to you too much and then they end up resenting you because then they're gravitating too much. Like it's a weird push and pull. It's like they start to expect something out of you. It's like, no, we're all doing our own thing. Like we'll just do our thing and then don't,

anything that happens is great, but don't expect extra special stuff on top of that. Right, and then a big thing too is like, especially don't expect extra special stuff on top of that. Right. And then, and then a big thing too, is like, especially with YouTube, in my experience, YouTube's a smaller world than people think. So it's like, I mean, it is weird to think with YouTube fitness, like how many people really is it who are in the power lifting world? Like kind of both.

Well, especially once you start looking at the power lifting side too, like it really narrows it down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why I always think, and I know this is a, this is definitely an ego thing, Once you start looking at the powerlifting side too, it really narrows it down. That's why I always think, and I know this is definitely an ego thing, but part of me wishes I could restart now and build back up just to prove I could do it again. At the end of the day, you have Calgary Barbell, myself, Alan Thrall, Omar, Dabbleson, powerlifting. And then it's like, how many after that?

Russell, for sure. And then what? The strongmen have certainly found their place in it. But if you're Brian Shaw, you're coming from a different platform. From a point of celebrity. Right, exactly. Almost more than strength, even. Right. Yeah, I mean, I think powerlifting could go pretty far.

I think powerlifting could get to that point eventually, especially if certain sponsors line up. I think the only issue with powerlifting is there's a lack of clarity as far as tested versus untested and weight classes. I think strongman's big advantage is who's the strongest man who does strongman? Brian Shaw's the strongest man who does strongman. Okay, strongman, that's it. Just immediately they get that. It's as simple as possible. Whereas, yeah, piloting's a little bit weird.

But again, it's like, I think one of the main things that's always stood out to me is I hate it when people say, just because things are the way they are, that it has to be that way. And it's like, a great example is Dan Bell. It's like Dan Bell was not,

he didn't have, I think, even more than like 35,000 followers, uh, when we did our, our long form interview. And it's like, you just know, I think that I may be low balling them. I'm not sure. I think that's probably in the right ballpark. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I remember even considering putting a graphic up of like, even relative to Andre Milanochev, like Dan Bell had way less followers. And it's one of those things where it's like well then our video together that we've done uh like a month and a half two months ago like it has 115 000 views something like that it's just like of course it does because he's the strongest guy on the planet like of course it would and i think some people get complacent and they go, well, they rationalize why someone's not popular. Like, well, it's because, you know, maybe people don't want to see a guy that big or a guy in untested side. It's like, no, I think they would.

that's like, I've always had the attitude that there are millions of people who Google bench press. There are millions of people who Google squat. If you can reach those people, I don't care what Federation it is, how it has to happen. Those people can be reached and they're not even close to being saturated. So that's why I think anybody could start a channel today and be successful because literally there's a potential audience of millions. yeah i agree with that yeah for sure johnny we've got this uh little game called overrated underrated that we like to play with every guest and we've got a special johnny candido set of topics for you uh we'll fire them off and all you have to do is uh let us know if either one of each one is overrated or underrated you can elaborate as much or as little as you want to, but you can't ride the line. You have to

definitively come up with an overrated or underrated on each one. If you're ready to play, we'll shoot them all to you. I'm ready. Number one, overrated or underrated, Kanye West. Oh, man. It's so wrong

to say underrated because he has fans that would die for him. I'm wrong to say underrated because he has stans that would die for him. But I'm going to say underrated because I'm not going to call him overrated. So did we see where you recently, did you go to one of the Donda events? Yes. Yeah, I went to the Chicago one, the one that he actually releases albums on. Dude, I had tickets to the second one as well, and i just didn't make the trip to atlanta okay so you must obviously be a i mean you you have to say you're a kanye fan then for sure right for sure oh yeah so like what was it like going to that dude it was crazy it was it really was as good

as uh i imagined like the the nice part too is what's funny is like i'm so uh i overthought it so much i literally bought tickets initially they were like mid-level and then ticket prices were going down and then i bought like a super close ticket i'm like okay so i had two tickets but what's funny is on that super close one it was so loud it was like okay this is going to cause brain damage so luckily i was able to go up where uh you know a handful of people were smoking blunts beyond what i expected i will say but but overall it was ridiculous and it was to me a guy like kanye is so inspiring because it is like we're talking about earlier as far as creativity and just being able to do whatever you want it's like the way the smoke's going the

way the cars are going around circle like a ritual the, the way Kim Kardashian's out in a wedding dress. Like I was actually on, I was actually on the same side as when Kim Kardashian came out. It's like fairly close and you just see it. It's just like, it was just so over the top. It was like some crazy ritualistic thing. And then him being on fire.'s awesome he really does have free reign to literally do almost whatever he wants in the world it's kind of yeah like that's in that and and with my uh athletic aesthetic intro i have a smoke machine and that's something that dude a smoke machine is totally worth it but we've actually talked about that several times here i kind of wonder about those fire machines though too but you know where they have like it shoots

up about a three or four foot flame behind you oh yeah there's like the ones they use in russian meat sometimes right yeah yeah yeah it's like those little flamethrower yeah yeah yeah and that's see that's my attitude when it comes to practice like dude there's so many things you could do like there's so many things as far as r lighting, as far as smoke like that, just lighting in general. Do you guys remember when 9 for 9 Media was a thing? Yeah, absolutely. Are they not a thing anymore?

They have an Instagram account that I don't think is posted in like four years. I have not seen photos from them in a long time. Do you like him? Well, I just thought, I guess I never knew who was behind it. Okay, he fucking sucks. okay yeah we didn't know i was gonna say at least someone putting photos out there though of me it's like there wasn't no it no it made me it was it was beyond bad like it was it was beyond bad it was where it was i mean i've never wanted to fight someone until

okay it was like to that point i mean really i really wanted to fight someone until then. It was like to that point. I mean, really, I really wanted to fight him because it was like I paid like $200 for video package and photo package. And dude, I could not emphasize how bad the video was. I mean, it was so bad. I saw it. And I was just like, okay, I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah.

It's like where you open it, you just immediately get heated. Well, I'm like, no, this is a joke. This is, this isn't real. I mean, I really thought it was a joke and it was like it was a video from a tripod that didn't move the entire time and then the it was so overexposed that like my shoes were just blue like streak we're just like dude are you kidding and then i rolled the bar back for my deadlift for it was uh at the nationals wide depth at 694 and totaled like uh i forget what i told like 1660 something like that and uh to get top 10 it was like really it was my best nationals yeah by far and i rolled

the bar back and because it's just on a tripod it was like i was just tiny in the shot and just like god i just i just couldn't believe it but um yeah i think that the we could talk about that too the usapl kind of has to figure out figure out how to make media not a monopoly because at that point there's no incentive to even make good content and i think that was the problem and overall now that i know more about photography and cameras uh compared to then i do see their stuff and i'm like even the photos were like out of focus just like like every now and then like one or two was good but it was like you really just see there's so much of an advantage to being close so did they just fold up shop then or what uh they don't exist anymore do they i don't think

so yeah because i mean it was interesting that did you see how it unfolded where they had a post about how uh the transgender rule it was so weird it was like they posted agreeing with the usapl about the transgender rule but they did it in an over-the-top way that featured like a bunch of old single-ply women they featured like a bunch of bettys saying like no we want to keep the division how it should be and they just went a little too hard and then that violated usap apl's like political rules or something and then they they suspended them and i don't think they're coming back oh i've not kept up with them that's a name i kind of forgot until you even said um one more quick one on the kanye

west thing uh what is what is johnny candido's number one kanye west album album yeah i would say my beautiful dark twisted fantasy for sure for sure that's that's just even though anthony fantano gave it a six was it a six or a seven they gave it a six oh okay i can never remember it was a six or seven that's a meme like that the six is the meme i do i think he may have done a redux he did a he did another review of it and i think he still gave it a six or a seven but maybe he gave it a seven he gave donda seven though didn't he yeah okay and he gave uh drake's a three so i big w for a gun i won't well i won't really i won't disagree with the drake one too hard but yeah the i don't know yeah to me no beautiful my beautiful dark twisted fantasy yep that's the number one i i go with that

all day yeah it's definitely tighter and that's the thing it's with that all day. Yeah, it's definitely tighter. And that's the thing. It's like, that's what I, and it's always good when someone just makes it to where there's no filler. Like every, I think he said he had power. I think it was power where he had it like remastered something like absurd, like something like, like I think he had like 12 different people do the mastering, not like 12 different times. It was like 12 different people entirely. So I get it.

Perfect. Yeah. It was just like, I think he's spent like 5 000 hours on it some some like nutty thing to be like that doesn't make any sense well he's probably got unlimited budget so yeah overrated or underrated tights oh underrated easy yeah you know what like i think i think the most underrated is wearing bright colored clothing in general specifically because you're selling if you're a power lifter on some level you're selling human movement so to me like that actually is explicitly why i wear bright colors because i've always thought like the whole point is people are watching human movement and it's like why on earth would you wear black because you're you're selling human movement to me it's just not to be like if you made that's a good take on it yeah yeah it's like if you made a basketball black or something

it'd be just harder to see it's like make it camouflage not a lot of black sports balls are there yeah i don't think so no that's a good tip yeah that was really the orange the orange was really a signature look for a while it felt like yeah yeah see these are the things like especially coming up where it's like you explicitly think about it like and especially if you notice that views are correlated to certain things you're like okay like i i'll give a great example is um is you know what's funny is the lowest views my, my channel's ever gotten probably on a video by video basis after 2014. Like when we say I'm established, right? Then after that, the lowest views per video was when I had my best total ever was at the Arnold when I told 1675 leading up to

that, I'll never forget. I got, it's hard for me to say this without saying to get titled but i'll never forget getting like 13 000 views in a day and just being like damn like i just can't believe this this is disgusting but um and then what's funny is then after that i'm like i'm like okay i actually lost a slight amount of subscribers the day of competing like i remember checking my phone just just being like, I don't think that ever happened up until then, even during the super long break. I'm like, damn.

Because at the end of the day, my audience obviously cares about my competitions on some level, but not all the way to where if you overdo it, they want to see informative videos too. They want to see creative editing. But what's funny is that then after that i took like a little bit of uh time off to like figure things out and obviously i was very happy about the total regardless you know not everything's for views um but then that was within i was right

the next video was when i was bald and like that like when i do stuff like that it's not it's not totally a gimmick but it is very on purpose that i'm like okay i just know i know now now's the time and they got a hundred thousand views and what's up we're back and using pamplates though honestly that is a huge one that's one where i've noticed a very clear relationship both in my channel and other channels where i see someone go from pound plates to kilos and you it really tanks the traveling yeah it's crazy yeah 675 looks a lot a lot different if you're using a deep dish plate versus uh yeah even like even a 495 squat like just five plates on there just looks massive and then you can do that every week so well i can yeah depends yeah it's uh yeah stuff like that's so underrated like because even when i delifted

i delifted uh leading into arnold 650 for four at rp eight and a half and so you're saying potential 650 for six maybe which is like just by far the best set i've ever done in my life and even on instagram because that was with kilo plates and in a kind of an unesthetic gym with like brick wall i mean it was literally like bottom five posts like are you kidding yeah like bottom five all time wow and then i squat you know in in the driveway it's like boom automatically comes back back to life with the pound plates okay overrated or underrated the long jump oh damn you did some research on that i'm gonna say underrated i i think track athletes in general are so underrated uh yeah i i just believe i believe try like especially long jumpers and 100 meter sprinters

it can do things that especially if you see a long jumper on a basketball court like so many of those guys can jump like from the free throw line it's just unreal whereas nba players like yeah there's a handful that can do it like uh do you guys know james white i don't i don't think so he's a he big throwback. Yeah, he's a very niche guy. He's literally just a dunker who was like a 6'8 dunker, but he's like one of those guys who supposedly could touch the top of the backboard. So there are some guys like that who are natural jumpers, but then they're not great players.

And it's like I feel like track and field has so many of those guys, though, who can just do crazy things. And then, obviously, they're just not good basketball players, so they don't do that. But, yeah, I definitely think track athletes are some of the most impressive in the world. And I think Usain Bolt's, like, the best athlete of all time, personally. What was your best, your farthest jump? 21 feet, exactly. Well, it was technically 6.39 meters which like technically it's funny that

technically i say i've deadlifted 700 pounds and long jump 21 feet and both of them i technically dealt at 699.999 and then in long jump 6.39 meters is technically 20 feet 11 inches point nine something oh my god yeah did you do any other events did you run the 100 or anything else like that then yeah not not so not so great yeah no that's good like i was always i really i really was like the stereotypical powerlifter where i had a really good start just trash like endurance just so bad i mean i i think i had the worst endurance of any non-fat person I know to make that technical statement. But, um, yeah, like I really, it's, I think it really coincides with pouting though, is that even with long jump, even among long jumpers who jumped 21 feet, I mean, I was

probably one of the slowest ones. And then of vertical leap from a standstill, I probably had like one of the highest if not like i bet there was not a long jumper who jumps 21 feet who had a higher two foot vertical than i did like it was like pure power off of that and it helped a ton for a long jump like don't get me wrong like it definitely i think powerlifting helps tremendously for sports i mean transform me otherwise it would have been you know long jumping like 1910 right but it's just one of those things where you can see some people are gifted when it comes to how they move on that top speed i just never had that like tendon strength fluidity all right that's good all right this

is your last overrated underrated topic johnny and uh it kind of all comes down to this one so big pressure here on this last one. Overrated or underrated? The Candido six-week strength program. It's got to be underrated. I never call it overrated. That's one of the big things too. I've always believed in it. And I think that one of the things I thought about early on is I've always thought that

it seems like people only speak with confidence when they're selling you something on YouTube. Otherwise, a lot of the guys who are science guys, they obviously sound unsure because at the end of the day, there is a lot of uncertainty. There's some realistic uncertainty there. But a lot of them really hedge their statements. If you see a video by someone giving advice who's a respected source, I thought about saying names, but I just don't want to come across as insulting. There's some people where they just kind of sound soft. They sound doughy. It's like they up talk. I think maybe you should squat wider. More of that kind of tone. And to me, it's always,

what if you sold something that's just free and good and you sold it with 100% of your heart? Like as if you're going to be a millionaire, if enough people do this and that's the attitude, like I've always taken. So, um, yeah,

I would say the results speak for themselves. Thousands of people that probably, probably like a six figure people. That's what I wanted to ask. If you had any estimate of, uh, how many people have ran. I wish's what I wanted to ask if you had any estimate of how many people have ran it. Yeah I wish I had that tracked for my friends because I've asked that before

and they definitely think somewhere in the like 100 to 500,000 people I would imagine have done it I bet. Somewhere. I don't think that's crazy either but it is I mean you couldn't have, did you think that that would ever be the case when you made that program that there'd be like even tens of thousands that would ever run it? That's a good question.

I mean, I don't know. I probably think yes. I really think I felt like, because I remember I started making it when in my dorm room, which is funny. I started making the six-week program on a piece of paper like old school style, not just on a phone or laptop. And I do remember feeling passionate about, because I would, I would always look at it relative to the competition and I go, okay, five, three, one is like the only thing that's similar. And I feel like it's better than five, three, one. So why wouldn't it have the same audience? Like that really is. But that's always been my attitude. It's like, why not? is if i can see that the next best thing is not that great

i can do better than that and i should get exactly its spot if not more and um yeah then that's like it always bothers me when people say that oh you know programming is basically the same thing or like oh it's it's not that important. You know, the specifics just matter, getting people into lifting. And it's like, I've always felt the opposite where it's like, there's so much that can be done. If you just do a certain thing, if you do a few things differently, and then you multiply that by like a hundred thousand people doing it, it could just have such a strong effect. Like I know of people personally, a lot of people personally who've've done the six-week program, then they build their strength up.

And one person told me it was like he used the six-week program as a tryout almost, because then Joey Flex accepted him after he's at a certain strength level. And then he's the guy who, did you see there was recently a 66-kilogram lifter? I think he was 66 or 74 who pulled like 300 kilos beltless hook grip oh in the usapl yeah and he so he set like a junior uh junior world record unofficially i think and he's like on his way to setting just an all-time world record i would say and he's like 19 years old and he's the one who told me that so he ran like the six-week program at 16 then like joey flex accepts him at like 17 or 18 and then boom like world record level it's like to me stuff like that is just so

awesome to hear because it's like that's what it's all about where if he if he did west side and that maybe joey flex wouldn't have accepted him because he would not have he'd be like all right your box squat's strong. There's no direction here. You're not making the cut. Great news, Johnny. The results are in. You passed overrated, underrated. All right. And that's the most important thing here.

Do I get a sticker? You actually get cool beans. We usually hand out a couple cool beans at the end for everyone that passes. Are you guys going to be at the next Nationals? Do you guys have a booth ever or something? We're headed to Kansas City this weekend for the showdown meet. We go to the Arnold and set up a booth there. Where is Nationals?

I don't know. That's the big thing. We live in western northeast South Dakota, so almost everything is a 20-hour drive for us to set up a booth. Just to get to Ohio is like when we come from the Arnold. It takes two days. Yeah. You'd think South Dakota is Midwest, Ohio is Midwest.

Yeah, it's not that far. It's like a 20-some-hour drive for us to get there. How long is it to Texas? Same. 20 probably. Midwest yeah it's not that far it's like a 20 some hour drive for us to get there so how long is it to Texas well yeah well I think isn't it isn't Texas the thing is to the north part of Texas it's 10 hours and then it's another 10 to the south part is that that's probably not far off of that yeah yeah so we we have a jaunt to get anywhere all right and well I'm gonna be in I'm gonna be in Fort Worth Texas in uh November 6th so I'm gonna be in i'm gonna be in fort worth texas in uh november 6th so i'm gonna be officially back in texas uh permanently oh you're moving there okay yeah yeah for fort worth

dallas area okay um i'll probably i think i'll probably be in there permanently i'll see it uh it'll depend on a few things but uh yeah overall i i love texas i think texas especially powerlifting wise has like the best culture you're not gonna go to wichita falls though and move uh when you're in texas yeah i'd love to i really would love to to collaborate with her but that would be awesome that would be really cool hilarious i think if they would brain isn't working right i think they would i think there's possibilities there and i think they would i think be open to it you know he's uh the group around him i think recognizes opportunities with that sort of thing too so yeah yeah and and you know what's funny is uh i forget what i was gonna say about

yeah my my mind just went completely blank like i just had something very specific ready um oh yeah it was the uh the bench rules video uh starting strength shared that like they shared My mind just went completely blank. Like I just had something very specific ready. Oh yeah. It was the, the bench rules video. Starting strength. Yeah. That like they shared it and they totally agree. And they did obviously like imply they've been saying it.

And it's like, okay, shut up. It's like, Oh, when you said something like, Oh, when a popular YouTuber says what you've been saying,

it's like, all right, I get the sass, but overall, definitely totally. They liked it yeah yeah yeah uh we and we're not we're not gonna have time because it would honestly be another hour conversation at least to talk to you about the all the usapl ipf stuff um yeah you know what's funny i'll just say very sure that's what i want to just get your short i'm on the usapl side okay yes even though i hate the usapl the usapl is not hate but it's probably too strong word but the usapl is like personally insulted me like they literally implied i'm selfish for my video

against nationals and the way they did lifetime memberships like they've said like it's not just about one person's gain like unlike and then like implied that I'm about my own personal gain only. Right. I think the thing is, is like when, sometimes when you make videos, this was a big theme of like my whole life is sometimes when you make videos, people think it's more personal than it is. Yeah. Like I remember even making a video on like training frequency.

And then I remember Joey Flex, uh, just innocently said like, Oh, did, was this about someone that set you off? Or I think I know who you're talking about. I was just like, I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm talking about training frequency. What do you mean? This is like, this is not something where it's like, if I felt some like deep with someone, I just talked to them. I don't, everything doesn't need to be read into so much. Yeah. And I think the USAPL, you know you know i not a lot of people but i think some people thought that i was mad at the usapl for the lifetime memberships because i wasn't going to get in and i was not going anyways like literally the moment it was

announced that there were going to be really a lot of covid restrictions i remember telling my friends in a group chat they're like oh yeah i don't think it'd be worth it for me to go then. Because it's not a big show if it's not nationals to that level. And it was only after that, but then the lifetime membership was a totally different animal. And one that I just completely disagreed with. But even now, like the lifetime membership, when did they introduce that? A year, two years ago? The value of that has drastically changed already. True, true, yeah.

Yeah, and the way they presented it, they said, we're a nonprofit to me, and we're not about someone's personal gain and blah, blah, blah. And that really did set me off to where it's like, you're saying you're a nonprofit, so that makes you altruistic? That's just not, that's not how nonprofits work at all.

At all, I mean, the NFL was a nonprofit up until 2014. While Goodell's making $50 million a year. It doesn't mean anything. The next meet that you compete in, will it be a USAPL meet or would it be something else? No, USPA. But I will say I agree. The reason why I do not side with the IPF

is their drug testing really is pathetic. And I've talked to some high-level guys behind the scenes now after it happened, and they really believe in the IOC dream. And I'm just like, man, I don't know how you still believe in that. I wish that would go away. So we can just move on already, right? And a significant percentage of olympians are broke anyways like i don't i don't think the dream is as romantic as people think right even with it being almost certainly never going to happen and take away the fact that it's not going to happen yeah like for sure not going

to happen i think there's a better chance weightlifting weightlifting and maybe even wrestling could get removed then powerlifting added like i saw the olympics just added break dancing like that that is the way they're going to move because i don't think trend helps your break dancing so i don't know watch them still be like juiced up on like super physiological levels of adderall and stuff where you're like, God damn. Yes. Anything is possible. But yeah, I just don't see how anything other than Sheffield makes sense. I think it all comes down to how powerful is SPD into Sheffield actually happen and do drug tested lifters actually make like $50,000 or whatever the prize money is for

winning. I think that's the only way. But I think the USAPL to me sounds far more realistic that we're going to make it scalable in gradients. And that's how it has to happen. It has to be a concept that has some return on investment and gradually builds. It's just like anything. It's just like what we talked about YouTube, where it's like, you can't go into it thinking

I'm just going to drop a bomb and make a huge thing. To me, it makes far more sense to go, okay, does this have a backing? Okay, let's milk this a little bit more. Is this the way to go? No. Okay, let's not do that as much. To me, USAPL just seems smarter with it, even though they seem kind of unethical. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's good. It's good to get your take a little bit on that. But like I said, we probably could spend an actual hour grilling you on some of the finer details there, but that's good. Yeah, maybe I need to come on again.

I mean, hopefully it's not going to take another five and a half years. Maybe it should, Tanner. Give us some more material. That's true. I could build a thing up. You know, I am still a little sad about losing that as something we can run with. But, you know, could you say something bad about us in one of your videos or something like that? Or just leave us a snarky comment that we could get people excited about? I have exactly what you need. What you need is you need Russ to come onto your thing and say he feels disrespected again about my profile picture. Was he upset at you at all or was he actually

upset he said on king of the lifts i feel disrespected like utterly disrespected by candida's uh display or something like that but you owned up to it when he won right i mean you said you changed it to russ one i think that that's uh yeah and i in the way he posted it i thought he would find fun but yeah he did not answer dms or anything after that like really i thought that was all kind of sort of a joke thing because no it was on my end right i don't give a fuck i think it's an internal battle yeah We need to somehow get in on that. Yeah.

Okay. We need to, we can, yeah, we can just make something up that I said, Oh, we do that all the time. Candido said,

yeah, that would do it. It is funny. Like, cause that connects to like what I was saying as far as like as unintended people assuming you're saying something for an unintentional reason. It's like I am going to speak on the IPF-USAPL thing, and I am going to say IPF Worlds, in my opinion, is going to be far lamer than usual. And then I have to make sure that that doesn't come across as personal if Russ does see it as serious. It really has nothing to do with it.

But it's funny because I could see how maybe he would think that that's what I would be doing it for. like personal you know if russ does see it as serious it really has nothing to do with it but it's like funny because i could see how maybe he would think that that's what i would be doing it for and it would make sense from his perspective but like i really do think that's totally separate and i overall i have immense respect for people who you know obviously influence the sport in a great way and have and they have a lot of power you know being the the top dog but i just don't know why you know if he takes it that personally it's a little cringy to me but it's whatever but you know who of all people who can be upset is sean because i did gas it up and then you know yeah thanks yeah you did run the hike train for him there. Yeah, that's one where I'm like, okay, yeah. Is there irony that the

hamstring was actually the downfall? Yeah. Man, it's crazy. I remember even after, there are some people implying he faked it. Stuff like that. Dude, it's just crazy. It's crazy when people assume stuff like that.

I have literally seen people assume dude, it's just crazy. It's crazy when people assume stuff like that, where, dude, I have literally seen people assume, actually, he's a really interesting connection. Do you guys remember Josh Hancock? Oh, yeah. You know what's funny? He was Canadian, right? Yeah, yeah. Can you remember when Brett Gibbs had that coaching together?

Was it the gold medal coaching? Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. Yeah, what's a really ironic twist is actually the CEO of my main sponsor of Jack Factory knows Josh Hancock. was it the gold medal coaching oh okay okay yeah what's a really ironic twist is actually the the ceo of my main sponsor of jack factory knows josh hancock and he like he even texted me he's like oh yeah you you and josh hancock collabed right and so weird that like the ceo of a company that you're sponsored chris bumstead at the time our connection is josh hancock who he collabed you

know obviously like five years ago and it just it I think it does go to show that you're treating everybody with, you know, with the utmost respect and just collaborating with people who are talented, you know, like Josh at that time probably had 5,000 subscribers, right. Or less. And it's like amazing how that stuff can go such a long way. Um, but yeah. Oh, yeah. What I was going to say is that what's crazy is he hurt his back, and he was suicidal, he said, at some point. And honestly, when he said it initially, I didn't fully get it. But then when you do hurt your back, snap up enough, I get it. Not that I would ever think that way fully. And even if I thought that way, I probably wouldn't even say it out loud.

It definitely is a different level. It's like really say that on video about a back injury. But it, it's one of those things where when that happened, there were a lot of people who I know who were like, I think he said all that and did all that because he was cycling on and then he would have got caught. So he faked an injury. I'm like,

what you guys think he would lie about a back injury that's like crippling him for a year and a half and now he's fine i've heard but it's like it is amazing the types of negative assumptions people have of you and uh yeah actually okay i want to give one more example this stuff just like comes to mind this is a this is a great example of like why reputation is so important though, is like, I remember when I moved down a weight class, I think I was too honest for people to like be ready for it. As I said, it's cause John hacks way better than me. So I'm moving down a weight class. Like, yeah, I'm not going to be close to John hack.

And it's like looking back, Aaron's like, well, duh. Yeah. And now they're like duh but before dude i've had some people are like bro what happened you were neck and neck with uh gibson hack and i'm like i was not literally not true not even close um but what's funny is when that happened i will never forget it because it was like one of those moments where you could choose evil or choose good where there was someone saying how like afraid I was about how like this is like a pussy move or something like that. And like you're afraid of competition and you're moving down a weight class because you're scared of John Hack. And that's like not to be respected.

And I'll never forget seeing his profile picture. And it's just this super fat kid with like a 295 deadlift i just remember thinking like dude like i could just roast the shit out of you right now like you are so much fatter than me so much weaker than me and talk it to me this way and it was one of those moments where if i did that if you roast someone at all like that you know it's going the insults are going to apply to more people than that person true and it's like and i don't insult you know fat people for being fat so it's one of those things where it's but in the moment you can totally imagine how if it was just man-to-man regularly in person like maybe i would i don't i don't know well they wouldn't have made the comment in the first place in that

situation yeah they would have said right they would have said oh johnny candino so cool to meet you yeah yeah but i have seen YouTubers do that, where they do roast the hell out of someone who's a troll. And I do think that's a bad move. I think it negatively affects those guys. Because if you start roasting, I mean, basically anything you make fun of someone for is going to apply to other people. And then it's going to make you look bad. It's just unprofessional. But's amazing how how many youtubers did that like would would go back and get personal with people who are personal to them i think you just you just can't do that

it's kind of a losing battle that is it really is right it makes it it's like lane norton where he's like always mad well i was kind of thinking i was kind of thinking of him as you were saying that you know it's just like, bro, calm down. If you stop talking about being mad, you'll have less people mad at you. Yeah, and now people know that they have that on you now forever, that I can make a negative comment and you're probably going to reply. So, okay, I know how to get to you whenever I want. Exactly.

I mean, I think that is the main thing. It's like to build things up correctly, it's like people respond to the attention you give. And if you give a lot of drama attention, if you complain about a lot of things, then they're going to complain about you. That's likely where it's like, if you help people, it is amazing how I think since my channel is a little bit more informative, um, I've had so many people help me in very interesting ways and very, and like really ready to, to either assist or someone has a gym in Chicago. Actually, I got a free session in from someone who has a gym in Chicago who manages it. He's 16 years old. And he said he started the six week program at the

same time he got off drugs. And so he must've been addicted to like, uh, casual drugs, like not, not performance enhancement drugs drugs but he must have had a drug addiction problem which i didn't want to i didn't ask him that much more about but it's like amazing how when you give a little in a way that i would never expect that would happen to where you help a 14 to 15 year old with a drug problem get into healthier lifestyle like that to me is the biggest honor that's probably the biggest compliment i've ever heard in my life and then he's able to really show off his gym and has great bars and everything let me live for free like those types of moments are uh amazing that's something i'm super grateful for yeah

if you're ever in uh western northeast south dakota we'll we'll let you live for free at massanomics gym too so yeah that'd be awesome. It really is. Uh, yeah, it's, it's just awesome. How proud thing is, uh, it's like a big community,

but a small community at the same time. Yeah. We're especially in person where it's like the amount of people actually go to power thing gyms and actually train hard. It's pretty small. True. Yeah, true.

It is. Yeah. Especially the training hard part. Yes. Yes. Like, have you guys ever done that where you go to a powerlifting gym and you're like, damn, you have kilo plates and you're just not even working hard? Why don't you just go to a normal gym? Taking this all for granted, yeah.

Yeah. To me, that stuff is surprising because i i definitely i think that's something where i've had kind of um have you guys ever seen like the iq bell curve meme where it's like initially you think something simple and then like that middle iq person crowd like thinks the opposite and then and then once you're smart enough then you realize that you again don't you know you don't know right isn't that the yeah or the simple answer ends up being the best explanation just because we don't know those middle explanations. Right. Like they're not really certain. And I think that's exactly

how I feel about just working hard and powerlifting. Like it's initially you're just like, yeah, I'm stronger than people because I just work harder. And then you realize like, oh, no, they're like leverage differences, what belt you use, genetics, and all that. And then as you go later on, you realize like, no, it's just the people that work hard for literally

that are like in the single digits for every city. True. Johnny, I think this is a really good episode. Is there anything we didn't cover that you feel like you want to get out there at all while you have the captive massonomics audience? I got one more Johnny Candido question.

Will Johnny be caught on an airplane anytime soon? No, no, no, no. Oh, man. You know what's funny is you say that. Right now I may end up being in a situation where I don't go somewhere. Specifically do that. I was going to have to drive four whole days.

It would be two days there, two days back. And I might just not go because the flight yeah, the flight is not an option. Yeah. That, yeah, no way. But, um, yeah, I'm thinking if there's anything, you know, it's funny. Okay. You are, I may do, I may do, I'll say this on you. I may actually do a bodybuilding competition.

I think I will. Okay. Just to see what happened because i want to see on a local level show there's not many people who live for 17 years i would imagine i hope uh and i just want to see what happens i just want to see like or do i just get completely embarrassed so what would your body weight be at where you compete in bodybuilding how does that you know how do you think that would shake out? That's a great question.

I definitely would not do the optimal route, for sure. That's something where I'm going to make the explicit decision that I'm not going to lower my testosterone and get erectile dysfunction for a plastic trophy. I don't know if you guys ever saw Alberto Nunez at

Nationals. There was one time he did Nationals at the same two-week period they did a bodybuilding show. And that man looked like he was halfway in the grave. Like he was walking out of squat and he looked so – and he basically said, he's like, yeah, I feel horrible. And it didn't go well. So I never want to get to a point to where you lose gains at a point where you might not get it back. I mean you really might not get it back if you go hardcore striated glutes. So I'm thinking – I think 169.

I think 169 for like a local level show. I could say 169. I think I would be pretty lean because right now I'm definitely getting like noticeably leaner at 182 instead of 189. Cause right now I'm definitely getting like noticeably leaner at 182 instead of 189. And then I think as I get to like one, I think one 75 is like right at that red line for walk around weight. And then one 69, like dieting down and just, just be living that lifestyle of just eating a chicken and rice, whatever they do. That's all you do.

Chicken and rice and workout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's that's all you do chicken and rice and work out yeah yeah yeah i i think i don't know if uh the lower body to upper body ratio be a problem at that time i mean the pull-ups are working the chin-ups yeah they're doing their thing so yeah we'll see on that but i definitely want to actually do a competition because it's another one of those things where you're like when you just want to see what happens like i'm'm just so, I'm so curious for myself. I feel like I'd just make for a good video because it'd just be such a,

it'd be such an interesting thing to see happen just one time. And then after that, it's like, okay, I'm done. It'd be interesting to see how the YouTube audience reacts to those because there are probably some interesting videos that go along with it. Yeah, and that's exactly connecting to like our whole theme here is that it's like, it's a matter of gradual experimentation. And it is ironic that I start out with bodybuilding being the easy money go-to and then knowing I'm going to convert people with power thing. And then bodybuilding becomes the experimental, like fun thing.

Right. It's like the IQ curve. You just went through that again. And, and yeah, and it's, and it's similar to the chin up you just went through that again yeah and and yeah and it's and it's similar to the chin-up thing where i'm actually gonna have like a guy on my channel who's a russian he was in the russian military when we talked it was like actively serving and i'm like wow he's very responsive and he knows that the six-week program i'm like all right that's pretty awesome and he his chin-up max is literally like two 30 pounds, maybe two 40. Yeah.

We're talking, I mean, he's arguably the best in the world. I believe a legitimate 100 kilo plus chin up with super strict, like Russian standard form, like just all the way down, all the way up, pause at the top referee,

everything. So, yeah, I think that just experimenting with things like that with really because i would love to get my chin up to like 175 or something like that where you go even if you're not familiar with powerlifting you just go wow that's that's interesting that's impressive and so i think that the bodybuilding the jumping the power thing that's the key really because then you have so many pools to to kind of to reach from and then the HDR.

And you say, maybe, maybe I'll make an HDR video and I'll spend like, I literally bought like a $250 software DaVinci resolve studio, which is the only one where you can really master HDR properly. And it's just funny how it's like, I've got to do all this and maybe i upload it and people just don't give a fuck yeah it's possible it's it's 100 possible but it's 100 worth it to find out yep we'll be watching johnny make sure it's not an old iphone i did actually think about having an unlisted video for people without i've without

the nicer ones people with sdr and then just have it like be like some broke broke boy edition and then just like some fart sound it's just a regular sdr video yeah no we really appreciate uh you coming on here um sad that this uh that saga i guess is coming to an end but we would we'd love to be able to get you again on uh on again so what you imagined i think it's everything and more yeah that's i'd say the same thing yes yeah it was uh it was great to be on it's my uh third, like I said, third podcast I've ever been on out of all did. But when talking to guys like Angelo, it's funny how those guys really don't know who Josh Hancock is, don't know of the channel before maybe 2016. Even a lot of people find out about the channel like 2019, 2020,

to a level that's surprising. It's like, wow. It's always proving yourself again and again. Right. You start to be under the assumption that everyone's been around for like, yeah. I mean, if you were going to find this,

you'd find it by now. Yeah. Right. It's like, yeah, people are growing up. Right. Well,

I'll tell you what's interesting. It's analytically that shows that is I checked before the subscribers and then, you know, usually just shows net subscribers. But if you look at beyond net and you look at how many actually are subscribing and unsubscribing it's interesting that there'll be days where it's like okay maybe you gain like 100 subscribers or or whatever it is and even if it's just 100 subscribers it's really like 200

people unsubscribing and 300 people subscribing like it's way more of a turnover than i would think yeah instagram's like that too it's weird yeah and I think that's yeah that's ultimately is the coolest thing is that it's like yeah it I've had people who kind of imply that like oh if I just started early on you know I'd be killing it too and it's like if you look at a lot of YouTubers from 2012 to 2013 a lot of them are not killing it now like it's an advantage in some ways but in some ways it can be a disadvantage if you just don't have that many layers to peel back. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, yeah, there's so many. Actually, do you remember? This will be the last thing I say. Tangential. But this is how much of it to YouTube. I will check Mike Chang's channel now. It's like it's so funny. It's like a guy like that who was the superstar

of 2012. He still does post. And it's like, dude, he's just gone down some psychedelic route and just some weird hippie thing. And it'll be like, literally it'll get like 700 views or something or less. And I'm just like, damn, it's just me here watching him

deadlift. There's nobody else. I will comment every now and then. Like, what's up? What's up, Mike? Yeah. That's funny. No.

Well, you're doing good work. Keep on keeping on. Keep me and Johnny. Yep. Yeah, thank you. And maybe we'll meet in person. And if we don't, what's the timetable? What's the acceptable timetable for hype for the next one,

for the next podcast? Oh, no. You're getting Russ on, right? You're getting Russ on. Yeah, if we can build up some, you know, we can probably shorten it if we can artificially inflate, like, some extra beef in there. It would really help us out if you would say something bad about us

in a public forum. You're bad about you guys? Yeah, those guys really sucked you know yeah how do you see what what would be the worst insult for a podcast just like because podcasts are so they're so uh i don't i don't know if uh what's the right word is ubiquitous the right word they're so like kind of yeah um also it's hard it's probably a little like with us in particular it might be hard to pierce our veil of uh of really dissing us because we we spend a decent amount of time kind of it's kind of making jokes at ourselves that like it's like whole

what is the m&m eight mile style yeah what is somebody gonna say that we haven't already said about ourselves so maybe complimenting you would be a little helpful. The old reverse side. We don't know how to handle that. They're so impactful, they can't even embrace it. Yeah, very impactful. That's actually funny. Good stuff. Thanks, Johnny. we appreciate it though seriously yeah thank you for having me on and uh make sure to make sure to is there a like button on podcasts

oh there's a subscribe button yeah subscribe yes smash that subscribe button subscribe to for more massonomics yes perfect all right awesome awesome alright peace out thank you for having me bye well Tommy cool beans cool beans made it official on the cool beans

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could have kept going for a long time oh Oh my God. That is a two. Yeah. That's shocking. Yeah. This might be our longest one ever. I guess that's why I'm so tired. Yeah. But that was well worth it.

I am a little sad that the ride's over, but what's the old saying? Don't be sad that it's over. Be happy that you did it or something like that. Yeah. I hate to see you go, but I love to watch you leave. Is that honky tonk?

Badonkadonk. Maybe that's Trace Adkins or something. Some mix of that. Yeah. Good episode, Tommy. What else do we need to part people with here on this one? Impactful. Yeah.

That left, that's going to leave an impact with people. People head on over to massonomics.com uh one you can buy your stuff that's pretty cool but you can also go to massonomics.com slash join and get in on the fire discord which keeps blowing up it really is we're not just saying this as an advertising thing although it works great as an advertising thing yeah there's more people coming into the discord like every day yeah and it's just getting better and better it is i kind of look for it's like a i didn't really realize it at the time but i'm basically signed up for another social network because my feed is full of new stuff well the problem is if you go too long without checking it you almost can't even

get back to where things are and then if you don't go back then you don't know what it is people are talking about yeah that can happen but not we don't go back, then you don't know what it is people are talking about. Yeah, that can happen. But we don't want to say we're introducing more stress into people's lives. No, it's all good. It's all fun. But there's a lot happening there. There's just some really fire Mastinomics stuff.

If you're a Mastinomics fan, if you really enjoy the podcast, you listen almost every week, you're doing yourself a disservice by not getting in on that. And I honestly believe that yeah you uh you'll you'll enter the chat with big whatever your name is and you'll be greeted with open arms yes and like literally there's usually a welcome it's kind of like you entered a cult

and if you say oh we've been waiting for you here's your spot we've saved it it is a funny thing that uh we talked about with johnny there how you kind of forget that some people are just getting along for the ride more recently that's true with us too and even with these supporting members i kind of take for granted like these common names i see that have really vocal about supporting us have been in the discord i kind of assume they've always been listening and then when they talk like specifically this week there's a lot of conversation about when old episodes and stuff like like yeah i didn't start till episode 120 or like uh like big eddie real real good supporter of the podcast he said yeah i jumped in on the daniel mckim episode and i'm like what i thought you've always been like that was just like i feel

like we just did that episode it's my brain goes both ways on this because it's so insane to me to think that someone has been following us since day one. Like that is why also nobody was following on day one. Or I should say it's insane to me that someone would have listened to every episode. Like that is insane. But it also is crazy to me to be like, Oh yeah,

no, I hopped in a hundred episodes ago. Like it's like well but what about everything before that you don't know what we're talking about here right but the show has changed a lot and yeah it's a it's a living breathing thing so i'm just i'm just happy anyone's along for the ride that's true we don't know why they are but we're happy that they're there but there's a few of them um i did have one surprise overrated underrated for you that i wanted to get out okay um overrated or underrated the song clint eastwood by the gorillas this

is and how did you why did you feel like you why does it sound like you you aren't surprised i asked you that well because this this the gorillas have popped into my life fairly recently because I don't know why for the first time ever on my Spotify, like ever in my life, probably a week or two ago, I listened to the gorillas for probably like five hours in one day. Well, I didn't know that.

And then, yeah, you definitely didn't know because I didn't tell anyone. And it's also funny because while on the way to podcasts, I told you not to come to my house right on time because we were out for dinner while we were driving. Were you listening to the radio?

I was listening to the radio. What were you listening to? Like local radio? Yeah. Okay. And they said a Paramore song was playing, which is kind of funny because that's kind of a throwback song. And then they said,

coming up next, we have a throwback with the Gorillas and something else. I'm like, you just played Paramore. You already played the throwbackback so this is a conversation i'm having in my head it was the girl so i'm hearing the gorillas again and then uh you to bring them up it's kind of funny well it's it's because i heard that okay so that timing makes sense yeah and then and as when it popped out i'm like that always was an interesting song it's a good it it's a banger though it's a good song.

I think, so what was it? Was it the song? So you could say the Gorillaz. I honestly don't know enough of the Gorillaz discography. I was saying the song. Yeah, I still think that song's under, I think now there's probably a lot of people that don't know what that song is. Right, right.

Because it kind of, I mean, it was definitely a popular song. It was in the top 40. I like that laughing that's in. Yeah, the way they loop that in and sample that whole thing yeah it's good but and it's it's got a good baseline to it and it's kind of funky and it's cool and it's kind of like it's kind of got that like like undercover like keeping it cool like lowdown vibe to it but it's a it's an underrated song and i i do think there's probably a fair amount of people that one nowadays have probably like

younger people probably never heard it or if they have have no idea who it's by right yeah i saw it pop up and i'm like oh i feel like this is something i knew existed and enjoyed and completely forgot of his of its existence and here it is back yeah i think they were on i could have swore maybe the reason that they even popped into my life again was because they're on like a commercial. Okay. You got the cool, got the cool shoe shirt. However that one goes, it's like, oh yeah, it's kind of a fun song too. That seems like it's on a lot of commercials for some reason.

It's just like, yeah, this is a cool, funky background song, I guess. That reminds me of like women's lady razors. In my mind, I was thinking, yeah, that was on like women's lady razors. In my mind, I was thinking, yeah, that was on a women's commercial. So probably wasn't, but that's just how it comes to mind.

Yeah. Like a pink chick razor. Yeah. Ah, the gorillas. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even say underrated on the gorillas.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that's about going to wrap us up for this two hour and 15 minute episode. Baby. Tommy,

where do they, you can find us in Kansas city. actually this doesn't apply to this you can find us on the way back from kansas city right now as you're listening to this yeah uh tommy where do they find you can find me at tomahawk underscore d you can follow me at tanner underscore bear just make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics see ya At Mastinomics. See ya.