Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 301: Anthony Fuhrman

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

Big Anthony AKA La Flama Blanca joined us for this one to talk everything in the world of weight class strongman! We also get into the time he put The Rock in his place, and try to get him to talk crap about anyone possible! The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. Here we are for episode 301 of the Massanomics podcast. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. It's the good old lifting podcast about nothing. Good news for everyone.

After 300, we decided not to pack it up and call it it quits we're back some intense debate yeah so i had to come back for at least one more we are kind on that episode 300 hangover that was that big three hour three hours mega cast i would have never guessed yeah we did it didn't know we had it in us and now every subsequent episode has to be slightly longer than the last so a once in a 300 episode type of event and we did it it was good it was real good you know what else is good ads ads got real something interesting in this ad this episode is brought to you by fusion sports performance supplements do you know what's in your supplements if you use fusion sports, you always will.

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It's good stuff. We've got a guest this episode, Tommy. We're going back to our more traditional format. We're not going to call like eight or nine or ten people this week. We're just going to go with the one guest. Just kick it old school again. Yeah, we're just going to go. Here's the format.

Witty banter, guest, witty banter, over. It's a tried and true formula. Why change it now, right? No reason to, no reason to is ride this out to the end ride the lightning that's right uh tanner i was thinking the other day about different you know you know me when i get thinking you never know where it's gonna go now hear me out uh it's in the gym and there's a marketing technique that i feel like i'm curious if it's i think it's probably nationwide um nationwide is on your side not insurance though okay um but you're referring to literally more that yeah i'm not sure if this is a lost art or if it's still a thing i forgot it was a thing until you uh showed it to me

but that is the lost art of using nudie calendars as a form of marketing specifically it's usually like people in the automotive industry uh guys that run shops typically yep is who that fits and when i say nudie calendar you're talking about like the little ones that are the dashboard yeah they go on your dashboard also the funny thing is that originally those were made to stick to a dashboard so we're talking to calendar that's what probably three inches wide by six inches tall about yeah see so the reason we have that we have one in the gym and it's because uh in my my day job I have a customer that I work with. He runs a truck. They do truck sale, tractor trailer, not pickups, but actual.

It's an important point of distinction. A truck conventionally around here is actually a semi. Yeah. Not like a pickup. A pickup is a pickup. A truck is a tractor trailer part of of a semi truck so he runs a truck they repair them and sell them and he usually brings me in one every year and you know with my kids and stuff it's not the perfect thing for my dashboard but it does make good uh decoration

at the gym and it was funny because okay so yeah this nudie this little miniature nudie calendar is like on the bulletin board yeah and like you would just put it there and i flipped through it quick and i'm like god this thing is going to be so dirty over the like the next one like you're just gonna see the most disgusting fingerprints all over this thing and who knows what else yeah exactly um it's funny those dashboard calendars they conventionally i think of them in two ways either the nudie one where it's just top it's topless women or it's the one it's usually either green or red and like local insurance companies usually give them out so they're branded a little bit and they show like the phases of the moon on them that's how they usually go like i'll uh they'd have to show you

a picture and i'd be surprised if you hadn't seen it before that's probably something that's way back in my childhood yeah like most farm vehicles always have them in there for whatever reason but my wife actually always has one of those on her dash in her vehicle really yeah yeah a calendar right there and when i think not the nudie one but the phases of the i can remember being younger and driving around in like a friend's dad who would probably have like a 98 silverado yeah and this thing is actually stuck to the dash and yes and it's so funny to think about that now that that is a thing that people would stick a sticker like you you don't do that in a new vehicle right like actually stick something to the dash like that yeah i think people do it in their farm vehicles still happen all in their farm vehicles but it is funny it's like oh no i needed a calendar that bad and there was no way for me

to know the only way to solve this problem was to actually stick something to the dash yeah lost marketing tech um and it is funny though like new trucks are extremely expensive and people you don't see a still like do you do you know like a top of the top of the line here's our agronomy segment for this someone who said i want an agronomy segment there's not really much to talk about agronomy wise this time of year is a little slow yeah uh but here this fits and it fits what we're talking here uh a top of the line we'll say john deere combine you know new model combine like combine they're like over a million aren they? Yeah, the top of the line new ones. And by top of the line, I mean the largest horsepower ones

and the newest model ones are now over $1 million. Yeah. And same with the self-propelled sprayers, like a self-propelled John Deere sprayer. The top of the line, someone is, they're posting a, I think that's a floater or a fertilizer spreader or it's got a tank or something. I can't tell,

but a top of the line row crop sprayer is also pushing like close to, and that's just one piece of equipment. It's so crazy. It's just funny. You think of like a, if you go buy a new car for 50,000, like, ah,

this is like a prized. And it's just like nothing. Yeah, it really is. I mean, it is an income generating tool. You uh and it's just like nothing yeah it really is i mean it is an income generating tool you know it's not uh just a pov at that point but yeah wow that was that is big nick so that would be our actual resident and we're talking about our discord discord discord community it's a very active community here going on. And we have last week we referred to Big Jeff.

Big Jeff, are you the financial planner again? Just to double check. So this week, Big Nick is our actual Yes, he is. For the second week in a row, he is confirmed. Big Nick is our resident agronomist. So I pose as knowing something about

agronomy. Big Nick actually is our resident agronomist. So I pose as knowing something about agronomy. Big Nick actually is our resident agronomist. Actually knows something about something. So that's our agronomy segment. All right. Well, I'm glad we got to the bottom of all that. Yeah. What was the original thing? Nudie calendars.

Yeah. So I guess be on the lookout for a Mastodonics nudie calendar in 2023. And what's funny about that, though, like what we didn't even get a chance to say is like is that even are those like like what are you it's very limited realms you could exist in where that's even somewhat appropriate to have yeah where your customer base is gonna be like uh what am i supposed to like this yeah yeah yeah there's not many businesses where you're where the majority of your audience that would fit with correctly.

What do we want to talk about next, Tanner? You have some things on the list here. I guess on the topic of marketing, we have a little something coming. You know, we did hit the road to 300 pod. 300. We hit 300 podcasts, but the bigger thing was the 400. Oh, yeah. God.

400. All these numbers. I'm getting mixed around in my head here. Yeah. 300 podcasts. 400 five-star reviews. Yeah. You know, when those things start crossing paths, you know, we got something big coming. The week when this episode comes live to everyone, when you're catching this in your ears i would just say stay tuned that week which is at the

time of recording that we're talking about next week um we've but there's gonna be by the time you're listening to this it's right now we could say this much as far as the teaser goes it's big it's gonna be big it's big it's gonna be real big better look out that's probably all we can say for now but it is gonna be big yep real big yes it is okay now that we got that one covered yeah we've got uh speaking of other local massonomics things we we've got a big important thing coming up this weekend on Saturday. I did also extend the invite to all of our supporting members, but we're having our Mastinomics gym party. I would say annual, although we haven't had it for a couple of years. That's what I was trying to do the math on.

When was the last time? Because the last time I remember, I think I was coming back from Hawaii and it was like the day I got back. And that was like four years ago, but I didn't think it'd been that long. Yeah. I bet we had it. Uh, so the gym is six years old and we, we had it three years in a row. Yep. So it would have been one year into it, two years into it, three years into it. So we skipped four years into it and five years into it. So we've only skipped two years. Yeah. We skipped two years. Yeah. So it hasn't been, so I guess, yeah, the last one would have been like three years ago though yeah right well so we're the massonomics gym party's coming back it's back party cast 3.0 right i don't think we'll be

recording a podcast from there but you never know uh yeah i don't think we'll do that either one of the massonomics podcast episodes that goes down in folklore forever. The party cast. Yeah. Someday maybe we'll do it just as a homage to the original. It would be funny. I don't know if it would be worth publishing. Every year the Massonomics Gym Party has been in a different location. Yeah, it has. Yeah, this year it's coming into my garage. Going full circle.

It's going to be a garage, yep. Back to the headquarters. Yep. People put important topics of interest every year from the gym party have been the menu. You know, we've gone. For most people, that's actually the number one focus. We've gone catered Arby's. Oh, yeah.

I forgot about that. Yeah. Which is interesting. You know, a little note. Best kept secret. Arby's can cater things. Yeah. You just purchased their roast beef by the pound

uh what were some of the other main courses you know it's kind of cheese was of course yeah yeah what's the name of the mac and cheese the cheeto mac and cheese yeah um what else did we have why can't i remember any of this i think the prior prior years you know we had like just like pulled pork with a lot of big john's Old West barbecue and dipping sauce. Yeah. And this year we're going Jimmy's Pizza, a local western northeast South Dakota pizza favorite. Yeah. Let the good times roll.

So stay tuned. Maybe there'll be some pictures or some pictures or video. Pictures or something. Yeah. Maybe we'll get all tuned, turned up and I'll be doing a lot. Instagram lives. Yeah. Pictures or something. Yeah, maybe we'll get all turned up, and I'll be doing Instagram lives. Yeah, sending out wish you were here postcards. Yeah.

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Maybe we should save that. Actually, you're right. We should save that. Yep, yep. Great, great point. Put the pause on Yeah. Maybe we should save that. Actually, you're right. We should save that. Yep. Yep. Great point. We're going to put the pause on that one. We should save that. Are you thirsty over there, Tony?

My throat's so dry. I can't really talk. This is a what's in the can segment. So I can't look. Yeah, I don't have anything to properly. I have brought my own eyelids to cover this. So you grab yours there. I'll grab mine.

There's the tab. This is the first time I've had this. Can I dig right in? Yep. Did you say that just to throw me off? You can go balls deep. Did you say that just to throw me off, Tanner?

You've actually had this a lot. I don't think I've ever had this one before. Pamplemousse. That hits. That's got a real crispy crack, doesn't it? It does have a crispy crack and... Mm. It tastes very cherry to me, right?

I don't know. I can't tell you that because my eyes are open. It's got to be the cherry cola, right? because my eyes are open it's got to be it's got to be the cherry cola right i'm going with cherry cola if not it's cherry something cherry of some sort can i look yeah let's look oh dr ugly you fell into the cherry cola trap i thought it was I thought for sure I was getting a trick played on me there. So my disease has passed on to you. It's contagious.

Yeah. Okay, I can get the Dr. Ugly now. Cherry cola is... The cola was in the same ballpark. Dr. Ugly, okay. So what do you think?. Dr. Ugly. Okay. Yeah. So what do you think? Not bad.

Pretty good. Yeah. Certainly, I get the flavor of the Dr. Pepper. I could not tell you the last time I had a Dr. Pepper. It's weird that I even know what it tastes like.

It's been a very long time since I've had one. Very long time. What is the flavor of Dr. Pepper described as? 23 flavors. Right. Right.

Isn't that what it is? What would you describe it as? I don't know, actually. It's weird. What do you describe the cola as if you don't call it cola? Exactly. Like, what do you describe it as? Cola flavor, right?

Right, right. So it really just isn't unique enough that it's. I don't know. Because, yeah, Dr. Pepper is definitely cola adjacent, you know? Right, right. That's good, though. Pepper is definitely cola adjacent. Right, right. That's good, though. It is good. So this was part of my Christmas present I got.

I got a case of Dr. Ugly, and I hadn't had it before, but it is good. It's weird. It tastes like you're drinking a soda pop. It kind of does. I think maybe the cherry is a tad stronger than cola, because I think with cherry you can hone in on that fruit flavor a little more. They can pump it up with that but um how many i think i'd probably give it probably a four i'm going with four on this i think i could drink a lot of those ugly and yeah i think they know their stuff at all yeah they really do um tanner do you want to play a little game uh is this a sick saw type do you want to

tanner do you want to play a game i can't even remember the voice if it's like a because is it like that little puppet thing talking or is it like the big guy i don't even remember anymore i'm not sure as long as it's not that yeah as long as it's not that kind As long as it's not that kind of game. Okay, Tanner, this is a new game. Are you ready for it? Yeah, new game. New game.

So we did a lot of flashbacks last week. We did a lot of flashbacks. It got me inspired to introduce some new thrills to this show. So this game is called Tanner Explains the Midwest. So what is this? In this game, Tommy, who is I, Tanner, will ask a series of questions. Tommy, who is I, Tanner. Will ask a series of questions related to the culture of the Midwest and South Dakota.

Your job is to provide the correct answer to these questions. What if I don't provide the correct answer? Then you'll be buzzed out and you will lose. Are these things like every Midwesterner knows? And if you don't, you're not really from the Midwest? I think you do. I look through these and I think for the most part, you're going to know the answers to these.

So there's a variety of questions here. So I have a few, a few. We'll see how you do the first time. You know, we might have to adjust some rules and parameters as we learn. It's a flu. The rules are fluid and living. The rules are a living, breathing thing so they can move around.

So, okay, you ready for the first question? Yes. When is the proper time to use the phrase? Well, it's about that time. It's time to go. I mean, there's really never a wrong time because it's almost always time to go. But it's when it's time to go you know i mean there's really never a wrong time because it's almost always time to go but it's uh when it's time to leave it usually uh it's time to go home i feel like if there's an action that accompanies this phrase it's like slapping the top of your

knees well well it's about that time and everyone just knows like you have instantly clear out the room right every time yeah absolutely like that's just like bred into everyone that as soon as you hear that phrase you just bust apart well about that time okay you're one for one translate this phrase saturday was crazy pounders were only two dollars and we were top shelf at the zoo so saturday was crazy so we went out saturday night uh pounders were only two dollars so 16 ounce beers were on sale in what variety was the 16 16 ounce canned beers were on sale what was the last part uh we went top shelf at the zoo we were dancing at the most popular nightclub on the second story stage in western northeast South Dakota

on the second story stage area. You passed in flying colors, Tanner. That was a perfect translation. Yes, yes. It's like going from Latin to English on that. Okay. Next question on Tanner Explains the Midwest. Are people from West River weird?

Yes. So West River means west of the Missouri River. South Dakota is divided in half by the Missouri River, and everyone that lives in the state calls it West River and East River. It's essentially almost two different states. People that aren't from the state oftentimes don't know what someone means exactly when they say West River and East River, but anyone that lives here knows and is also very passionately supportive of the side of the river. You almost might as well think of it as two different states.

It really is. It's almost more two different states yeah it really is it's more it's almost more two different states than south dakota north dakota is like i hear more people advocate for their side of the river than i do oh for versus and even with that the east side of north dakota is way more similar to the east side of south dakota exactly then yeah like it can almost be east and west dakota with the two sides. They'd be way more similar. Right, it would be. Yeah, and that's just a running thing forever. If you're from South Dakota, you're kind of like,

West River, guys. And then the people from the West River are like, those East River dipshits. That is correct. Yeah. All right, you nailed that one too. Okay, Tanner, this will be the last question. you could say it's for all the marbles tanner explains the midwest so we have another translation here okay last night we went out for supper i ordered a red beer with olives and a

pickle my wife ordered a pop we shared an order of chiseling with an extra side of ranch. So there's a lot there. I don't know. Just say it one more time. Okay, I'll take it section by section. Last night we went out for supper. So we went out to eat last night at a restaurant for the final meal of the day. Okay.

I ordered a red beer with olives and a pickle. I got a glass of beer and a can of tomato juice the bartender may have put the tomato juice in the glass for me even depending on the location and uh garnished with a sliced pickle and a long and and olives yeah my wife ordered green olives My wife ordered a pop. My wife got a soda of some variety. Pop not being significantly one kind. Could have been maybe a cola, probably on iced rocks. We shared an order of chiswick with an extra side of ranch. We had them cube up steak bits and put

them in the deep fat fryer maybe with some light uh minimal light breading uh salted and then we had a significantly large side of ranch to dip them in and we ate them with toothpicks. And life was good. All right. Well, Tanner, I'm happy to report you did pass the first ever segment of Tanner Explains the Midwest. I like that game. I have a pretty deep catalog, so you can count on that one coming back. That's a good one. I think that's a new fan favorite.

There's a lot of volume there. We have a lot to cover. Good. I like that one. You fan favorite there's a lot of volume there we have a lot to cover good I like that one you know what else I like what what do you like I like hybrid performance method oh me too yeah they're your solution for strength should have known

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when you started visit hybridperformancemethod.com make sure to follow them on all the social media and everything i would point out uh big dutch matt supporter of the podcast long-time supporter and listener of the podcast big dutch matt you mentioned he's been uh rolling on the hybrid program i think the hybrid powerlifting programming, for over two years now, continuously. And he mentioned he's loving it, made strength gains in the process. That's Big Matt.

And I think Big Matt would agree with us. When you go get your membership, you use discount code MASS, and it'll save you 5% off for the entire life of that membership. So imagine he's got two years of five percent off under his belt pencils out to be a whole lot of savings a whole lot of savings we've got some other topics we're going to talk to talk about today a few other things uh but do you think we should get our guest on the on the about that time yeah i think it's

about okay yeah we can go out there or do we want one other quick thing how about one other really quick thing okay you got a quick thing yeah one quick thing i put this down as two spaces and i thought this would be a very uh massonomics podcast type of topic so is this a quick thing yeah well maybe it's not maybe should this be a click hanger click what is two spaces about we will not talk about the discord won't get to figure it out it's good yes because we're supporting the supporting members oh let's do that let's do supporting the supporting members quick so the just so our supporting members can hear that so uh number one supporting our supporting members big grant brogy squat pr squat pr 505 pounds i believe that what is what yeah

505 505 five hondo club he's been hitting some big benches too has he but i think he was like 375 oh there's something like that yeah but the real nice looking five crossing the 500 club and squad always feels pretty damn good absolutely that's that's a milestone you need the hondo marks on any of them oh yeah actually yeah you're right there's two things it's hondo marks or another plate marks yeah so after sometimes one is better than the other depending right what's better to hit 495 on something or 500 on something 500 for sure okay yeah but that is that's actually probably the closest one to being like it almost doesn't matter because they're both so good that's the that is the one where it's that close right 405 and 400 though are also that are the

same way though aren't they it's just inverted of which one's higher i suppose yeah i suppose that would be the other the one yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so congrats to, and I should say, supporting our supporting members is the segment where we shout out some of our supporting members who support the podcast, so we give a little support back to them. Yes, and what was the other one now? The other one is Big Ryan, supporting member,

is appearing on the new season of righteous gemstones so for anyone that's familiar with the show righteous gemstones on hbo on hbo and i'm pretty sure what's the premise a little bit of i just gemstone don't know completely i i believe it is a family and their last name is gemstones and they're like televangelists so that makes them the righteous gemstones i think that's what the premise is. I, I read it really quickly on HBO a while ago. I could remember that wrong,

but I think that's what it is. So I haven't seen it yet either, but now I have incentive to watch it. And then one of our supporting members is in there. Um, yeah, different big Ryan. There's another big Ryan that was,

yeah, different big Ryan. This is big Ryan J maybe. And so anyways, he's, he's in the God Squad. So if you're familiar with the show or you're going to watch the season, watch out for him. He's in the God Squad. The God Squad is the group of muscular dudes following Adam Devine's character around.

I would like to see. Yes. And also, where does he does he live? Is this like a Hollywood thing? Like, where does he live that this is happening? And also, where does he live? Is this like a Hollywood thing? Like, where does he live that this is happening?

That is a good question. But oddly, I would know the answer to that. You do? I would have that relatively handy, actually. Oh, are you going to share his address? No, I'm not, but I'm just curious for my own. What state we're talking about? Yeah, let's see here. Can we play a little jeopardy music?

I'm assuming you're going to our orders and typing in big Ryan. And then there's a big pops up the whole list of big Ryan's. Do, do, do, do. No, that's not relevant.

Okay. No, I found it, but I won't shout them out where it is, but it wouldn't be a Hollywood. It's not Hollywood, California. No.

Okay. Well, we'll be on the lookout for that. Yes. So that's Cool Beans. Now we'll tease the two spaces thing. We'll talk about that after our guests and we'll get to our guests now,

but we'll say goodbye to our supporting members. Bye Discord. Until next time. Au revoir. Discord out. All right. so should we try and get big anthony on the horn get to work here

now that those discord guys are gone we can finally have some fun big anthony is this you yes it is excellent you're live on the massonomics podcast with tanner and tommy what's up anthony hey what's going on guys we are excited to get you this week um no emergencies we assume then this time yo you won't believe it uh i actually i think i i think i have covid

so are you serious then are you did you just get sick all of a sudden or just get tested or oh so monday night i came down pretty bad with a i started getting like real stuffy and like a headache um and yesterday i didn't get out of bed i was down um today it's a lot better i got to get tested tomorrow so okay wow so yeah we were we were saying you know we talked about a little bit a couple weeks ago but in case uh some people listening today didn't catch that episode why don't you tell everyone what happened when we tried to do this episode a couple weeks ago you know uh like like bros do sometimes sometimes bros drop things on their feet and this bro dropped something on his foot and he cracked his toe so was it a 45 pound plate it was an attachment viking press attachment okay okay so it was

it was fairly heavy it was it was so the bad part was uh it actually ended up getting infected too because it got so swollen i couldn't clean it for a while oh yeah and we're talking we are talking about your foot right yeah my right my right pinky toe um actually last week i was in the er because i finally i was like hey this don't feel like a broken toe anymore like yeah um and i went back in and like oh yeah you got like a you must have cracked the skin open because you got a crazy infection so they gave me antibiotics. And that day, the day after, I pulled 820 out of the mammoth bar. We saw that, actually.

We were just looking at that. So how did it feel from that pull then? Because, I mean, that's a lot of pressure going through your foot, obviously. Yeah. So I kept my shoes on for a reason for that pull, and I didn't take them off after. I went that way. Yeah, yeah. Worth it. Yeah, it was a lifetime PR of any off the floor,

so it can't be bad. How do you feel about the Mammoth Bar? Do you have much experience with that? Did you like it after that? What do you think? It's rough, specifically for me, because I've always been very fast off the floor. I'm the kind of guy where I can get almost any weight to my knees, right?

And then the lockout's my problem. Perfect for strongman. So for the Mammoth, it gave me some problems just because when you pull so fast, you get that oscillation, and it does mess with you a little bit. Yeah, and I guess we probably glossed over this a little bit, but what would be your little bit of, you know, your elevator speech about kind of who you are or what you do? You know, we know you're a top level sub super heavyweight, you know, sub heavyweight strongman competitor.

And you also have a number of other things, cool things going on that we want to talk to you about. But what would be your highlights to give someone? I mean, you know know coming up i came up uh pretty pretty decent in the the the weight class straw man game the 105 kilo uh i got to travel the world i won a couple world titles and i got to compete up and heavyweight at some arnold pros as a heavyweight against some of the big names which was really fun um and then my knee kind of gave way because i've been i'm still in the army uh 15 years in so anybody that's been in the service at 15 years knows your knees and back take a pounding and despite what we do

on strength training right right um so then i kind of stepped back and i had to reevaluate everything and that's when i you know i started the strength and collective in this clash pro series that we're running that uh i mean it's we've been way more successful than i ever could have hoped so i'm i guess that's that's what i am now a promoter i guess but you're still obviously training pretty seriously too you know i mean pulling pulling your eight so what's what's um what what's your like do you have uh competition goals or anything on the horizon as far as that goes or how do you look at that i mean basically you know lifting lifting heavy and it's something it's tough to give up especially you know early

on when you retire i'm doing air quotes you can't see it but we could feel it i could feel it here yeah so you know i was lifting heavy and then i was like you know i'm throwing the american deadlift championships in my class show in april and i was like let's make a run at the 105 record what is the 105 record it is 415 kilos so that's uh like 917 so that's big yes and my goal is to do it without a suit okay do you feel like you perform better without a suit or is that just an added thing? Um, no, I think the suit helps,

but it's just kind of like a feather in the cap. Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, feather in the cap thing. Like obviously I don't, we'll see where I'm at close to the show.

Um, but you know, realistically the suit doesn't get to give me much as some guys, because as I said, I'm very strong off the floor anyways. Um, so I lose the kind of benefit of the suit I'm very strong off the floor anyways. So I lose the kind of benefit of the suit once you get to the knees. Right. So you said you're

an army guy. Then I was in the army myself certainly not for 15 years. Lucky man. Are you going to go for 20 then? Or what's your... No, I'm actually in the process of being medically retired because of my stupid knee

so i'm very excited this is very good stuff are do you uh once you're done with the army all together will i mean will you will your main focus be promoting strongman and that sort of thing or you have anything else that you're gonna uh do career-wise then too um you know not entirely sure i mean i kind of want to put i want to pour myself 100 into what we're doing with the promoting strongman also there's the strengthly collective the website that we have a training platform that has you know all them coaches from like we got everyone from john hack to laura phelps you know um and then all this nick best and you know we have great great great, great athletes, right? Coaches. So I'm kind of want to pull myself into that.

And then also I'm going to open a gym in Nashville. Okay. So a lot going on still. Yeah. No kidding. So yeah, the strength collective, I feel like that's a thing that, you know, has ran across, I think probably most people's radar quite a bit if you're pay attention to powerlifting or strength sports at all. Can you explain that like to someone that if they haven't attention to power lifting or strength sports at all can you explain that like to someone that if they haven't heard of it like what it is and what you got going

on with it yeah um it's it's actually a pretty simple story you know i i back in i think it was may of 2020 i released a like an ebook called the strengthly it was like strengthly 1.0 is what i called it um because for weight class drama specifically you know it's not enough to be strong you have to be athletic because you will get beat on a lot of the movie events if you're not like an athlete you don't move like an athlete so I was kind of like an ebook explaining all that

and then it did way better than I ever imagined you know I have a modest following on Instagram I know it's not you know it's nothing special but the response was just amazing. And my buddy, excuse me, my buddy who was retired from the Army, and I started training him like a year before he got out, and he got in really good shape.

He was like, hey, man, you changed my life. I was like, oh, well, I love you too. Because he was just a big old fat 20 you know, 20, 20 year E7. You know what I mean? And yeah, he lost weight, got in shape again. And he was like, wow, anybody can do this. I'm like, I know that's the point. And he was like, Hey, so I have like connections to like help get a website.

So I built, do you know anybody? I was like, do I? So I just started reaching out to everyone I'd come across. And I built, I built this site on taking care of the coaches that we have, like their people, because there's so many predatory businesses and strength sports where they use people for minimal pay or whatever, right? is a revenue sharing agreement where they get a certain percentage of every member a certain dollar amount of every member on the site plus they get a very high level percentage of people sign up through them so they're guaranteed income even if you know it's a month where people don't sign up because i'm just as an athlete i got tired of getting abused used and abused so i didn't want to be that guy and as it grew man it's just we started giving back and we kind of our mission turned into

defend the athletes you know we're here for the yet we're here for the community the collective you know it really struck home that as a collective we can grow and become better right and so basically like when people sign up they have access to a variety of coaches right that that's the yes so right now if you sign up you have access access to a variety of coaches, right? That's the... Yes. So right now, if you sign up, you have access. I think we have, right now, we're at 21 coaches and over 50 programs. You have access to one monthly fee. Okay.

Yeah, that's a new and novel take to the way that a lot of places handle programming and coaching in that right now. Yeah. And the cool thing is there's a lot of full programs, but there's a lot you can piece together. For example, John Hack is a deadlift only program you can pair with andy huang's bench program um there's you know casey romero deadlift program you can pair with kevin oak squat program you know like you can really take from these the best in their fields and find what you like best because they all program differently that's the beauty of it yeah but what does really john hack actually know about that? Oh,

exactly. Yeah. That is fucking bad. I don't know. He just walks up and does what he wants. He just walks up and lifts it up. Like what's to learn from that guy? Like,

that's my main goal. That's like, that's why I want to pull that overnight without a suit, just so I can try to keep up with some dude that weighs 40 pounds less than me. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty. I'm still a suit just so I can try to keep up with some dude that weighs 40 pounds less than me yeah yeah that's pretty I'm still gonna use straps yeah no that's cool I I do think that that's interesting do you think that that has a lot of room to scale then too that uh you know

the opportunity there for the for it to even be a lot bigger than what it is today yeah I think we we haven't even scratched the surface and that's due to the fact you know I don't know if you're familiar with lean startup concept like the book and all that stuff we I mean we haven't even scratched the surface, and that's due to the fact, you know, I don't know if you're familiar with lean startup concept, like the book and all that stuff. I mean, we started this very lean. Yep. So the website, it's kind of like looking at a potato right now. Is that the Toyota's, the case in lean? Like they're real similar to that sort of model? Am I thinking the right wavelength i think that's

more like a lean manufacturing okay yeah yeah that's a general concept startups like yeah lean startups like it's for when that big wave of like startup companies happen in 2010s and there's a bunch of people that failed succeeded right right people that succeeded wrote books about how to do it without investing your dad's money yep yep. Essentially. Makes sense to me. Yeah, we're all about that. Yes, exactly. I agree with that model in many, many ways. Yeah, I mean, I'm just like I tell everyone,

even my family, they see me post all the time, like, wow, you're doing well. I'm like, I'm just a soldier. Like, hold on now. Make it till you make it. That's what I'm doing. Actually, there is a lot of truth and merit to that. There is, too. And I think, you know, Tommy and I were just talking you make it that's what i'm doing actually there's a lot of there is a lot of truth and merit there

there is too and i think uh you know tommy and i were just talking about this concept earlier this week where you know some people that want to go out and try these different paths i mean you with the strength lead and your your promotion and everything you know some people if they envision if they have this idea and they want to pursue it, they have to go whole hog on that and quit everything else that they're doing. And you know, the burn, burn the ships mentality. And I just,

I don't think in a lot of cases that that's necessary. You can still, um, there's a lot that can be done even with, uh, you know, kind of juggling a few things at once when you're trying to get things up. You can just work 60 hours a week,

and you can find out in a hurry if your idea has any legs or not. Right. Yeah, I think, you know, I'm not a big fan of that whole burn the ship thing because even, all right, let's say it works initially. Let's say you quit everything and focus on one thing. Eventually, you're going to have to take on something else. Then what are you going to do?

Are you going to burn down what you started to do? Do a new thing? You just run out of time. Burn more ships. We need more ships. We need more ships. We need stuff to burn. You have to be able to multitask. That's how you,

like you can't succeed without it. You can't, you can't do it. And you find out how much you really care. I think in that way, you know, the, the,

the burning the candle from a few different sides way, you really find out how much you care about something because if it's not important to you, you're not going to make it when it, when it's eight, eight PM and it's like, yeah, I've just finished my day job and my other like in between stuff.

And now I really need to work on, you know, that massonomic stuff that I need to do. Like if you don't like it, you're not going to want to do it. You know, like you're going to find out quick if you don't like it, you're not going to want to do it.

And if you don't want to do it, then you're not going to want to do it as your know, like you're going to find out quick if you don't like it, you're not going to want to do it. And if you don't want to do it, then you're not going to want to do it as your primary thing either, I think at a certain point. Exactly. It's easy to do something when it's your only option. I'm in the Army, believe me, I know. Right, right.

No, that's cool. That's good stuff. How about you talk, you referred to it as weight class strong man i think that makes i that's a good uh good term for it so basically not the uh what people that that are a little less familiar with it the sport they know about brian shaw and uh right you know the half the 400 pound dudes that you're that compete at world's strongest man in the arnold every year and everything like that but um there's way more people that compete in weight class strong man in the world there are the 20 guys 25 guys that compete in um you know the world's strongest man contenders every year yeah i feel confident that 90 of the strongman fans and community

aren't heavyweight strong man. Right. Right. Well, statistically they can't be. Right. Right. Yeah. And it's like, you know,

I'm trying to rebrand it and repackage it because you know, this is, these are the people who need, who should be served because they are the consumers. And you can only do fake boxing matches so long before people get tired. Yeah. That's, I think that's true. Eventually

you're going to have to fight, so we'll bring in the fight too. But I mean, do you even have to fight really though? I don't know. We're not sure yet if you do have to. We'll see. Let's schedule another one for a year from today. Well, don't want to do it too soon. Maybe two years from today.

Do you realize there's kids that have been conceived and born since they know? Now they're starting. They're like walking. They're going to be in kindergarten soon. Yeah. So do you picture a world where, you know, weight class strong man is, you know, I don't know if it's I don't know what the goal is but where it gets to be close

to as popular as the super heavyweight strongman those top guys I think you could take it over eventually I think it has the potential to be something that's much more watchable and seemingly attainable and that's really the key.

When you grow up, everybody can kick a soccer ball. Everyone can try to throw a football and baseball. You know, you get into it because you can do it. Nobody can get into pulling an airplane. No one's like, but if it's like, oh, he's just pulling a car or, you know, it's different. That guy weighs 200 pounds, not 400.

It gets people interested at an earlier age because they're not immediately turned off. Everyone likes to say, oh, Straw Man's a circus show. It's like, okay, it hasn't been a circus show since 1908. It's not. That's not what it is. It's a sport. Treat it as such

and that's how you generate fans and revenue. And they're just stuck in this old, the olden ways of just, look at these giant men. You know, like, oh, wow. Like, I've seen the great Kali and WWE. I don't need to see this. I do like that you said more seemingly attainable, though, because as some guys that do some you know

dabble in some strength sports but I think with that like the good point there is like John Heck is a great example of like most people like hey yeah like to me you know on TV or when you see him it's like that's a guy that I feel like I can relate to he's around 200 pounds I feel like I know people like that

and then you see how much he lifts and you're like what that's possible right but that just increases yeah and i think that makes it more relatable like in a way that like people are more interested whereas like when you're just talking 400 pounds and they're lifting a yoke that's 1500 pounds like those numbers don't mean anything anymore like it's all just like made up why is he lifting more he's 400 pounds yeah yep so it's all just like made up. Why is he lifting more? He's 400 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, you know, and I think,

I think really just treating it as a sport, not a shit, like it does need to be entertaining, but I think you could be entertaining as a sport enough. My, in my opinion, I think so. I mean, just the fact that like the CrossFit games can be as big as it is,

I think proves that, yeah, there's an audience for things like there was over 2.2 million people that watched them roll a marathon a few years ago. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen rowing lately, but it is exhilarating. An entire marathon. Especially when it's on a stationary piece of equipment.

They'll put the concept two through its... It's because those 2.2 million people have been on our rover. Right. That's what we need to do we need to put this in the hands of the masses to get the masses involved and interested it looks like dave castro is available do you have room to get him to help you uh promote anything now so um about that i do not i saw him deadlift once i don't know if you saw that video no no i haven't either you haven't seen every deadlift for five minutes straight no on one lift it took him like seriously it legitimately took him a minute 45 to do one deadlift like you is that much of a grinder

yeah it was like 375 pounds you have not seen this no no like this is like this is classic like crossfit bashing era okay oh okay i have to do some my knowledge of dave castros when i hear the name i'm like he's a crossfit guy and that's like the extent of like everything that i know about him honestly dude other than i think he just got fired i think he got fired like this week right i think yeah i'm pretty sure he got fired because um he's still friends with Glassman and Glassman was like an open racist. Yeah, like every white successful man

tends to be a little racist, right? He was really racist. You can't just be openly racist. He wasn't even putting on a confront. Yeah, like racist and sexist. I faced a little tension. I didn't actually know what was going on. Is that what it was? It was a racist thing?

He had to get the hell out of there because he was such a bad look. I honestly don't even remember now. We probably talked about it on the podcast. I think he got caught up in the George Floyd thing. Oh, okay. Yeah, that sounds familiar. That's right. I forgot about that, that you're right i forgot about that that you're right yep but then like even beyond that they said like culturally you know he probably oh like that was

just the thing that people finally latched on to i'll put it this way he was a gymnast coach from the late 90s so yeah yeah gymnasts don't exactly have the best resume. We've all seen the documentaries. So we, you know, I've, we've both competed in, you know, amateur strong man before, and I've done some strong, I've done several strong man events, compete in local ones and done like USS strong man. And we live in South Dakota. So we're pretty, you know, it's geographic geographically. We're limited, especially rapid city. Well, yeah. So I've competed in rapid city before we live in Western Northeast, South Dakota. Geographically, we're limited. Rapid City?

I've competed in Rapid City before. We live in western northeast South Dakota. It's the opposite corner of the state. Kelsey Horton, is she in the strength elite? She is. I met her on the Titan Games. We've been good friends ever since. We've gone out there.

She's with the USPA there. We've gone and done powerlifting meets out there in Rapid City as well. I've been out there like they also, you know, she's with the USPA there and we've gone and done a powerlifting meets out there in rapid city as well, but I've done been out there for strong man's too. And so I guess what I'm getting at is we know a little bit about it, but when it comes to the inner workings of like the weight class, strong man and stuff and like the, the different governing bodies and everything,

I feel like we're a little out of touch with it, but we kind of pick up on some of the stuff that's going on. And so it seems like sometimes there's a lot of drama. And I feel like you're probably well aware and pretty entrenched. Get your finger on the pulse there. Yeah, I'm a magnet. All right, what do you want to know? And this really comes from a position where we really don't know,

but we kind of know there's something going on. So not really just digging, but just pretty curious, I guess. What's the deal with Strongman Corporation? I think was recently Rob Kearney was going to be an owner of that. And I think you were pissed. I'm just being honest. I'm pretty sure you were pissed about something because I kind of follow along,

but I really don't know what was going on, so what was going on? All right, hold on. I've got to put my business owner hat on. No, we don't like that hat. Yeah, we don't like those hats. We don't like those hats. Without breaking it,

it all stems from his business partner, the Rod guy. I was supposed to go into business with them. We got cut out at the last minute and then they, I'm air quoting again, straw man core. Um,

so I was a little salty. So they, they, so you were going to do something with them outside of strong man core and then that didn't happen. So then they went to go buy strong man core. I was going to some of them outside of strong man core and I was going to be involved with straw man core with them.

Okay. Um, you know, whatever. Again, this was never in writing this was all you know conversations um so i was a little pissy and you know rob was a good friend so i was you know what i mean so i was like oh what the hell that came out of nowhere um and then it all fucking fell apart and

we called it so so what felt why so they didn't end up buying Strongman Corp. Is that right? There was never any money. Don't you have to have money to buy something or not? You would think. But I do got to say his partner was very good at talking. I'll give him that much. Yeah, that can get you quite a ways. Like, have you ever seen those movies from the 1800s?

Like a period movie where there's like a guy with a stand and he's selling you a cure for your decrepit balls. That's his partner. Oh, he probably watched The Wolf of Wall Street and they said, sell me this pen.

And then it was game over. Exactly. And to Strongman Corp's credit, Dion caught wind of it and got rid of him too so okay so she sniffed she smelled it she was like am i in the landfill or what's going on there okay so are you buddies with those guys anymore then or not so much so i do i feel i feel like rob got taken advantage of so okay you know um and we were really good friends before that and it's it did confuse me when it happens and now I get I can't I get What happened, you know, it's tough when someone comes in promising you a life that you never dreamed of, right?

It's it's I mean, I'm not gonna say like I'm fully okay with it, but I get it. I'll put it that way. Yeah So yeah, me and Robert pool. I think we had a friendship strong enough to withstand that, so that's nice. Is there a fair amount of money to be had at the top of the couple of big organizations?

Fuck no. Okay. So you can make a living if you do it right. And that sort of thing. But well, if you do it right now, if you don't do it right,

you can make a living as has been exhibited. Right. Right. Sure. I see what you do do it. Right. Everybody gets a place at the table. You know,

that's been my motto place. I'm a huge fan of the, that movie from the nineties, the program, you ever say a movie? Yeah. Donnie Thompson was one of the, one of the linemen in the program i don't know if you're familiar with donnie thompson at all oh was he the was he was he the center yeah he's the center yeah yeah get

a little doggy oh yeah yeah well latimer you know yep my motto for my business is I started it. And, you know, I do think there's a place at the table for everyone. And I think the best way for me to succeed is to have everyone succeed. Yep. And that's contrary to the way strength sports usually runs. So instead of burning the ships, we have a tide that raises them all. Like, let's build more ships. Let's go like and then we'll burn every one of those fuckers down just you you know because so you were involved in that at one point in time you thought maybe you were uh gonna have a stake in that too do you uh do you

do something parallel to that that you think you can do a better job of then that becomes more significant than yeah i think i could do a better job of then that becomes more significant than yeah i think i could do a better job at everything that one of these um but the thing is i don't want to run an amateur organization i don't have an interest in that i don't want to say i don't have an interest i just bandwidth right because that's a lot of people i want to provide an outlet for people that really want to be there in you know the programming side is for the people that are getting into the sport because you know coaches when you get to a certain level you do need to coach like an actual coach but the entry level a pro a good program in itself can do wonders for

the entry level person and so that's the training side but on the competition side i want to give these athletes that have been underserved, undervalued, forgotten, thrown to cast aside since I've been in the sport, I want to give them, if not a ways to make a living, a ways to make more than they lose. The 64-kilo woman in our sport does just as much work as the world's strongest man, and they get nothing. A lot of times these women they're mothers it's everything like they don't these you know they they're not dudes that can

just pass their kids off to the wives you know they're the mothers and they put so much work and effort in they they mess with their hormones and i'm not i'm not just talking about pds i'm talking about just by cutting weight and you know you know that can really mess with everything too and they it's it's a thankless and they don't get anything for it and i want to change that i want them to be respected i want them the world to see what they can do and i want them to just eat come to the table and eat yeah that's cool so we talked about rob kearney is there anyone else that uh we could dig up any dirt on listen rob rob was a victim.

All right, I want to get that clear. I can't dig into it too much, but Rob was a victim. That's the main reason we talked almost right after it happened. No, we've got you on record that you said it was all his fault. Just kidding. Who do you want dirt on what about this duane the rock johnson is he just the worst of the worst oh fun story about him i i was i pulled a boston bm man on him before that was even existed um they came in uh we were in the little hut or whatever and they're like hey dj's coming because all the cast called dj because he wanted to be called the rock and i was like this fucking guy yeah he knows he's the rock like don't worry so like hey make sure you start

clapping and i'm like he's not in here like yeah but they want you clapping when he comes in i was like what the you know just start clapping we all want that we don't get that like like the rock was a childhood idol if he just would have walked in i would have probably lost my yeah it's like you didn't need to be prompted to be excited for the rock yeah so then i gave him a good old slow clap you know i'm just like fucking people you know he's hollywood suck ups like and uh so he came in and he like came up and shook all her hands and oh i squeezed the shit out of his hand and looked him right in the eyes and i'm way stronger than the rock ever was that's true so yeah that was my that was my moment just like if you meet dwayne the rock johnson

squeeze his hand till you hear a crack be a man so so what was it like doing like the titan games and all that it was surreal it was a different experience it was it was an actual competition like they didn't tell us shit until we got there um we did they had we had like a week of like filming and doing all like the the bean roll footage and all that and they kept trying to be just they kept trying to get me to like cry about my deployments and i was yes okay i'm glad you brought that up okay yes yeah we were we were placing our bets. Because we didn't, outside of catching some highlights on social media, I didn't watch the show on TV. I watched it, but it's been,

what year was that? That was 2019. That was the first episode ever. Okay, so I did watch it, but it's been a few years, and I wasn't as aware of you as I am now. So I wasn't as excited for you to being on it as I would be today, basically.

How dare you? But before we started, we're like, okay, they always got to give someone an angle. They probably gave him the soldier angle. Is that what they did? Was that your angle? No, they tried. And I just, they were like, I remember they were like, so you're in Afghanistan. I was like, yeah, a couple of times.

Like, did anyone die? I was like, everyone died. It's not, what do you think is going on over there? Like, okay, what about your dad? I was like, he's a couple times. Did anyone die? I was like, everyone died. It's not a family. There's a lot of things going on over there. Like, okay, what about your dad? I was like, he's pretty cool as a mechanic. Real nice guy. Never yelled at me. Real nice guy.

I'm like, middle class family. Why do you like to win? I was like, because I like to win. I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't giving up. Then they kind of egg kept egging me on now then they started stroking my ego so i turned into the cocky guy ah that's what they got me

it's okay i relished it i didn't mind that part okay uh what about that they were trying to get me like man how'd you feel about your sergeant dying i was like everyone's sergeant died but yeah yeah how do you interact during the surge what do you expect um what about that because you did the event your preliminary event i think was the one where you like you're hooked up to a harness you know like where you would be on a truck pull kind of but it hooked up to like a high pulley and you're pulling this weight through these platforms yeah you did that one right yeah so that one i was actually one of the last to go that night and everyone was struggling beforehand. I was like, oh shit.

Cause they involved running. And I was like, of course they give me the one event that was like moving. Yeah. So I was, I didn't think I was going to do well. And then I just destroyed it. And I was like, okay. Was it like not, I mean, did you not feel that much? Like, could you compare it to a truck pull or like, how was that?

Like, what do you compare that event to? I can't because I'm terrible at truck pulls and i was great at that so okay okay that goes out the window people were saying he's good at that because of truck pulls i'm like you haven't seen any truck pull so so do you think just be like because you are bigger and stronger than like everyone on the show i mean i was the head i was the heaviest one there and that was absolutely i had way too much strength that show looking back I should have probably cut 20 pounds from filming right right because like a lot of that stuff's pretty you know there's quite a bit

of agility like that final what's the final thing that you do like where you're crawling over those rolling you know it's almost looks like a little bit of American Ninja Warrior esque stuff in there yeah like I wish they would have told us something on that because like I because when they said I made it they're like all right you have two months and I was like okay and they would have told us something on that. Because when they said I made it, they were like, alright, you have two

months. And I was like, okay. And they didn't tell us what we were going to do. And I was like, I guess I'll train the way that got me on the show. So I just kept doing my shit. But I was like, man, I should have lost weight because that hurt me real bad. I could not breathe at the end of that thing. Yeah.

That's interesting. So did they ever talk like, they should do like, you know how real world road rules has like the challenge. 10,000. They should be. Oh, I would love that. Except I would show up like super fat and then I'm going to win. I'm like the years haven't been kind to me because of the show.

It ruined my life. Yeah. Come in with a real story. I'll give a story. It's funny you said that, though, too, because I remember hearing Hayden Bowe say, because he auditioned or something for the show, too, and they really wanted to find an angle

on him, essentially. His grandfather had recently died and they were trying to get him to dig into that. It was kind of the same, like what you were saying, he's like, yeah, he was like 85 and he was at the end of his life. It wasn't like, it wasn't tragedy that struck our family. It was

you know. That's just life. Yeah. I'll never forget. They asked me like, was your mom into drugs? I was like, well, she's born in the 60s, so she probably did some of that. Like, damn it. We got nothing on this guy. Why do you like winning?

Are you trying to prove something? I was like, I'm trying to prove that I like winning. I don't know. Why do you produce shows? What, uh, could you tell us about your alter ego? La flama Blanca.

Yeah. Yeah. That was born actually before the show a little bit. Um, I was, I was living in spicy Tampa Bay, Florida. Uh,

um, when I got there, I was just some honky white guy from Pennsylvania. Turns out I love Latin culture. Um, I'm just all the food. I love the, the salsa music,

all that, all that shit. Like, I don't know. It was just awesome. But I was a super white guy. So like, I got made fun of all the time. Um, cause'm just all the food. I love the salsa music, all that, all that shit. Like, I don't know. It was just awesome. But I was a super white guy. So like, I got made fun of all the time. Um, cause like I went, I went to like salsa clubs and I'm just, I stuck out like a sore

thumb. Yeah. Um, cause I also don't have rhythm. So that's fun to try the salsa. Um, but yeah, you know, just Latin culture and, and, uh, also a big Kenny powers fan. Ah, yes. And, uh, yeah, I was like, Hey man, he ain't doing nothing with that name. I mean, let me go and grab that.

And yeah, I was just like, yeah, let's follow the blog. Let's go. And it helped me when I competed because when I competed, I was very – I'm not very aggressive. I like to have fun, and I'm very confident. And that was kind of my character. Again, I grew up a huge. I like to have fun and I'm very confident. And that was kind of my character. Again, I grew up a huge WWF fan,

WWE fan, so it's kind of ingrained in my personality to have a stage presence, I guess. Just because that's what I grew up. I grew up idolizing Rick Rude and Macho Man and Ric Flair, right? So that's kind of what I turned into when I competed. It worked out pretty well. I was able to kind of do things that I normally would have been nervous about, you know?

Yeah, that's cool. Did you see that they're at the Arnold Pro this year that they're doing like a max squat event and not deadlifting this year? Here's my theory. You want to hear it? Yeah. Rogue owns the elephant bar. And I think Rogue is going to keep doing their own straw man show and they're like, Arnold, you can't use our stuff

no more. That's what I think happened. The wheel of pain and everything. Do you think Rogue won't... Do you think they won't be wearing Rogue shirts and stuff up there? I think they probably will this year and maybe the next, but I think Rogue is really...

They're going to plant their flag. I think they can and should because they're going to hang on to the top like certain pieces of equipment they're you know like the elephant bar and the wheel of pain they're not going to allow that for the arnold yeah i think they're going to become the premier uh strawman competition here the next few years interesting i didn't know like when i saw that because i think it was that just today that was announced it was not too long ago that and i just didn't know if they're like okay yeah we've done kind of the same three events for like six straight years like we have to change it up but but yeah that argument makes sense to me too though yeah that's my conspiracy theory i don't wear that hat often but that's what it is so you think um i mean world's strongest man is still

going to be world's strongest man i suppose because they have the title but aside from that you think rogue could be the bigger the rogue invitation could be the bigger event than the arnold yeah i think it will because the athletes are going to go they're going to go to want to go to that more world's strongest man's great for the few people that still care about the title more than the experience but by and far these guys get treated way better basically every other show except World's Strongest Man. They get treated well, but it's a pain in the ass to compete in that show. It's not fun.

Right. Okay. No, that's cool. We've got this little game we like to play with everyone that we have on. It's called Overrated Underrated, and we've got a special Anthony Furman set of topics that we handpicked just for you. What we're going to do is read off the topics. We've got a special Anthony Furman set of topics that we handpicked just for you. So

what we're going to do is read off the topics. We've got a few of them here and it's your job to decide if each one is underrated or overrated. You can elaborate as much or as little as you want on that. But you just have to remember you can't ride the line. You have to definitively come up with an answer of whether it's overrated or underrated.

Alright. Let's do this. Overrated or underrated, Cardi B? Underrated. She is going to create an entirely new genre of music still going to

produce from her voice. I'm telling you, it's still coming. Because of her, we have Megan Thee Stallion. I love Megan Thee Stallion. Cardi B to thank for that that she's already producing another genre so i i can i can buy that i think it's for a lot of people it's really popular just to hate on her and i think a lot of people don't want to admit that they're hating on her because she's a woman rapping like i think a lot of people can't just admit that that's what their problem is with it the same people that watch bill cosby for years made fun of her because she drugged one guy.

I'm just saying. Come on. That was probably a fair point. So you said underrated for sure, no doubt. Oh, no doubt underrated, yeah. Is Nicki Minaj so relevant in any way or not really? She's kind of been quiet lately. She hasn't done a whole lot.

She had a baby like a year or two ago. Yeah, she was five years too early, I think. If she could have not aged and then also came out with hit singles five years later, she would be on par with Cardi right now. She was in an era that she got lost with the lady gaga's and the katie perry's you know to me a very very uneducated they have a similar sound to me dude but i think i think nikki minaj is still like i think if people said name women rappers i think nikki minaj is gonna get brought up every time i just i just think her career i just i don't think she's put out a lot alone yeah i just think she's been

on a break from putting out work. She definitely had some flow to her. She was a pioneer. She definitely, like I said, she planted her flag and said, this is what I am. Come get it, which was awesome. But I think she got lost in the shuffle, personally. Okay. That's good.

I learned something today, definitely. We talked about them here. Overrated or underrated? The Rock. Okay. That's good. I learned something today, definitely. We talked about him here. Overrated or underrated? The Rock. I don't know if you're contractually obligated any longer to say one way or the other. All right. I'll tell you this. He is underrated as a human being.

I think he's a fantastic human being, and I think he's very sincere, and I think he does a lot of great things, and I think he's a fantastic human being and I think he's very sincere and I think he does a lot of great things and I think he has a very genuine heart, which is hard to find with someone that is literally the biggest star on the planet. I think he's overrated as an actor.

Is there a rock movie that's good? Hold on. Walking Tall was badass. That was badass like our the fast and the furious movie's good with him in it oh i haven't seen anyone pass me a long time since i watched any of those like i just like the meme going around right now that like these are all different movies at the rocks in and it's all him like in a khaki colored shirt in the jungle because like that's his character in like every movie somehow no pain again he was good at painting game

that was that was that was good oh that's the what is that the Miami in the gym thing yeah the muscle heads of mine with Mark Wahlberg I like that just for the gym tie and honestly if nothing else like we don't get that many great yeah we don't get that many movies

that cross over into the like the gym culture genre in a little bit, so it's got to get some points just for that. Yeah, he was a Jesus-freak cokehead. Yeah. It was pretty good. What is it, Ballers? Oh, yeah, on HBO. I haven't seen Ballers. It's pretty decent. I heard someone describe it as

the entourage of Miami in sports and it's that to a T. They just made that show only in The Rock is the main guy and they're in Miami. I don't like when people do that push shit on me because then I won't watch it. I still haven't watched Breaking Bad

because everyone ruined it for me if I tell me I had to watch it. I will not. But now it's almost been so. If I tell me I had to watch it, I will not. But now it's almost been so long that you almost could go back to watch it. Now. I mean, maybe someday same with walking dead. I haven't seen walking dead because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. I don't think I'd start walking dead because the way I,

the little bit that I've ever paid attention, they're like, they're like 12 seasons in of just people running from zombies. I don't know where that plot can still go at this point. Dude, it should be over fairly quick one way or the other.'s what i think everyone's like why is this show still on like it yeah is that show still i think it is still on i believe it is yeah they're doing now and all types of crazy shit yeah um breaking bad is good though it is good yeah well see i'm

starting to watch it that's another year year I'm not going to watch it. Yeah, just tacked on another year for you not watching it. You really should watch Breaking Bad. Okay. But was there any weird things when you did the Titan Games of it's like, yeah, you can't say this or post that or anything really weird

that stuck out to you or not really? They were very, they didn't feed as much. That pissed me off. That's weird. It seems like there's unlimited food all the time. We were at this hotel in Little Saigon in LA.

The only place you can go to walk to eat was a Vietnamese market. I was just like, oh, okay, I guess I'll just have some liquor because i don't know what any of this stuff is so i got way too drunk during the filming of that many times how long was the film like how long were you on set there i was there for 12 days oh okay um yeah most of the time were you doing nothing or like i mean like you only were physically in the competition for so long you know

during the filming of all like the promo shoots like they would take us to the place and like we'd be there for nine hours in a room and they'd put on the fucking view for nine hours I don't even know what channel plays the view for nine hours but they had it on was there any other contestants that you really didn't like at all?

Okay. So there probably was. There was a few that I didn't jive with. Yeah. There would have to be. You're stuck with all these strangers for that long. And it's like, surprisingly,

I made a lot of good friends out of that. Like I couldn believe how much i enjoyed being around like to this day i probably keep in close contact with at least five of them including the guy that beat me i was just gonna ask what about the guy that beat you did you yeah so we had some fun we had some fun back and forth leading up because we both we were both viewed as like the the two yep and then they put us together and it was like oh well you guys just fucked the show up you know because we you know we went to get at each other the first round but uh so did the guy that beat you go on to win it or he did yeah yeah right okay which to be fair i don't know if i would have beat anyone in that fucking off school course yeah right okay it was Yeah, right. Okay. It was tough. All right, that's good. So overrated or underrated? Strongman Corp.

Overrated. Okay. And that's coming from Anthony Furman's Strongman Corp professional athlete. Right from the source. Yeah, that's nothing to do with anything, but me as an athlete for that organization for years. Yep. All right.

That's all I'm going to go. Okay, that's good. This is the last one, and traditionally in overrated and underrated, the last one is worth all the marbles. So everything comes down to your response on this last one and really your performance on the entire show rides on this so no pressure overrated or underrated for loco oh it's severely underrated listen when they they changed the formula there's the air quotes again yeah everyone

stopped drinking it like it got away i'll tell you what that is the perfect pre-game and mid-game you don't end the game with it do you do you find is there a flavor for loco that you would say is palatable black i don't know that black for loco black is good for local gold anything's not named that for an actual flavor yeah okay yeah my brother had like a gold kick for a while they thought that was kind of the the-to. I love gold! You know what else is good? I found a nice little if you're worried about your hydration, I do two parts Four Loko, one part

well, you can do Gatorade but, you know, Pedialyte. Pedialyte was my go-to. Tastes really good. Okay, what were the competitors to Four Loko? What are the other you know, there's like Juice like it's spelled like J-O-O-S-E. Did you ever have that? No, I didn't even get into Four Loko until I was already 30 years old.

Actually, it's been a while since I've even seen one, now that I think about it. Oh, they're still in every gas station. Yeah, for a while when those things first came out, it felt like they were everywhere. The seltzers have like just taken the market over. Yeah, they kind of have, actually. Hard seltzers. I drink, yeah, it makes you pee a lot, the seltzers. Yeah. So 4Loco is

for sure underrated, though? Yeah, I mean, people, you know, you don't know what you got until it's gone, and people are letting it go. They don't care. It's going to go away, and you're going to ruin it forever. People got rid of Surge, and now they want it back 10 years later right so like they're gonna do the same thing for loco and i'll be pissed at them yeah what was the thing that they had to get what was the the deciding factor on for loco that was bad about what was their caffeine in the original

formula is that what it was yeah i think there's like caffeine and nicotine just all the caffeine and nicotine. It was the perfect drink. Yeah. Just everything. DMA. It was a Jack three D. The original Jack three D. Just made by the same company. Yeah. It got you hooked on the pre-workout. Yeah.

Good news. The results are in. It looks like you passed overrated underrated. All right. That's good. That's good. That's good. I was worried there at the straw maker question. Got a little touchy there, but it turns out you did.

You got to take a step back sometimes and say, is it worth it? All right. Well, that's good. You passed the overall performance on the show real good. We give you passing marks on everything. Oh, right. That's what I'm talking about. Did you give my friend Jackson passing marks back in the day when he did this? Yeah.

That's been actually quite a while since we've had... And see, we were... Where were you guys at? You were going to be in the same place as him, and we were going to kind of have you both on the show that night, if I remember. That's probably been a couple years. I think it was Gromit yeah yeah okay i remember yeah that was a while ago now yeah yes yeah he's the one that helped me he helped me get this class thing off the ground

man he was very instrumental all this um unfortunately he had to take a step back because his work pulled him away okay um but yeah man i i i don't want to say this like it's it's kind of selfish, but like, I hope his work allows him someday to come back. You know what I mean? Like he has a great job and it's doing great for him, but like he really did help me get this off the ground and he

deserves all the credit with me, you know? So like, I really hope you can come back and we can, you know, continue our journey together. Yeah. You know,

you could sit him down and introduce him to a little concept called burning the ships. And then he'd have all types of time on his hand. I'm going to I'm going to say I'm going to I'm going to paint that. I'm going to go to a wine night and get drunk and paint that. A wine painting. Just like everyone paints the same thing. It's supposed to be like a sunset and yours is a ship on fire.

I'm going to send that to him. Perfect. No, that was real cool. We appreciate having you on. Do you want to shout stuff out, tell people where to find things, that sort of thing? Yeah. There's Anthony Furman Strong on IG,

the Strengthly Collective. Clash SPS is our new site dedicated to the actual pro series. We're calling it the Clash ProPS is our new site dedicated to the actual pro series. We're calling it the Clash Pro Series now because it's a whole series of weight class straw man pro shows that we're throwing. You can Google me.

Find me on Google. It's so pretentious. Google me. Google it. You'll find me. If you Google me, it'll show everything. Okay, you'll find me. If you Google me, it'll show everything. Okay, cool beans. I appreciate you guys. This was fun.

This was actually one of the better podcasts I've done. Hey, that's what we always hope that people are going to say. The people that don't say that at the end, we never talk to them again. Good. Maybe I knew that. I did research. I saw you at a whole lot of times. Okay.

No, we appreciate it. Good stuff. Good luck with everything you got going on in the future too. You guys too. Thank you very much. If you need anything, let me know. Thanks, Anthony. See you. He got those cool beans. We kept them cold for him, didn't we?

Those weren't on the ships when they're on fire. Those were not on the ships. They got thrown off early so they could chill in the ocean. Okay, Tommy. First things first. Now that we're an hour and 20 minutes in, first things first. We can get to the first thing. Today's show was brought to you by Texas Power Bars. Enough

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Very good stuff. Our friends at Texas Power Bars. I did have a couple other things I wanted to get on. Well, you had a cliffhanger, too. Yeah, we had the cliffhanger. Also, we've got a sack segment still. Oh, so three hours what do you want first to get off the edge of this cliff or just you just hit me with it all right let's do the sack segment here i kind of want to end on that just keep keep everyone hanging on that cliff for now we got an enormous

sack that's a tasty looking sack yeah from our from our good, good friends at Kind of Fit, Kind of Fat. Looks like it's dipped in sprinkles and frosting. If you want to find out more about Kind of Fit, Kind of Fat, you can Google them, or we've had them on the Massanomics podcast before. Everything comes full circle with the Massanomics podcast. Just Google Massanomics podcast, Kind of Fit, Kind of Fat. Go give that episode a listen.

They've sent us goodie bags before, and i don't think they disappointed here again uh oh yeah this is a big bag too it's a very big bag there's just things in here and stuff i'm bottom to that thing i think all my size stuff is on top here. Okay. Yep. Holy. All right. I'm guessing that. Jeez.

It doesn't end. That's a particularly cool one. Yeah, that's a very cool one. That's a cool one. Still digging. That's a cool one. That's a deep sack. That's a cool one.

That's a cool one, too. Wow. Okay. So we've got a bunch of stuff one two three four t's and what is this a pair of shorts in here i think we've got shorts in there damn sweet i'm pumped for this sack yeah that's a good stuff deep sack full of great stuff inside of it. Absolutely. Tommy's pulling out some shorts.

I've got a tee right here. This is what I would call their competition tee. It's got the logo curved around the neck, and then logos on each side of the arm there. This one right here is jumping out at me just because of this color. This green. I love a green like this. Sweet this sweet we got the ice cream cone on it awesome oh man i have the names on some of these too oh i put this in the wrong bag because

this one says comp t this is not comp t i already looked at the comp ti. This is good stuff, man. They really hooked it up here. They did. I've got the gold-blooded one right here, too. Which one are you holding up? I like that one. Yeah, I do. That's a good... Kind of a classic.

Yeah. You know, in the Masonomics terms, this would almost be a going-out shirt, almost. That is kind of a going-out shirt. You know, it's the single-colored... Fits the vibe. That's a good one. I've got the gold-blooded one right here. Oh right here that's cool i've never seen that one before classic uh pink frosting

donut yeah this is the same one you just opened this this is probably my favorite one yeah i gotta take a look at this uh when this one you could say this one really pops oh yeah there's some popping going on there got the bowl of ramen with the plates and the bars in it classic kind of fit kind of fat style love it i think the shorts are probably the i'm also very pumped for the shorts yeah i like me a good pair of shorts as everyone if you've been a fan of masslamics for long you know we have a thing for shorts you know that we don't mess around when it comes to shorts oh so thank you kind Kind of Fit, Kind of Fat. Yeah, thank you.

This is awesome. Check them out. Like Anthony Furman would say, just Google them. Just Google it. Check them out on Instagram. Got a presence there, obviously. What I would say is check out the podcast. We had Alex on, and why is the, you probably remember. dean yeah yeah yeah i thought it was dean but then

i thought that wasn't right and then i'm like it is big dean and big alex big dean and big alex so check that out i'd say it's episode i have no idea two something it's definitely it's in the 200 genre definitely two something i'd say like two 35 what's your guess oh boy should we see if we can get closer okay you're saying 235 maybe that's too early see i was gonna go closer like no no no no okay here's my guess here's my guess don't tell me yet i'm gonna say two um what'd you say 235 yeah i'm gonna say about 240 241 that's gonna be my guess maybe even 245 245 is that your final answer yep 246 yep you know how i knew no because i like how seem surprised no and this is a sign we released the t-shirt with him about a year ago and a year was 52 weeks i'm like that was about

52 weeks ago we just did episode 300 because we did line it up with that yeah the savvy businessman as we were yep you know it helps a lot when you know how many weeks are in a year really narrow down the possible numbers 50 of them give or take depending on if it's leap year roughly 50 depending on the old leap year okay so do you want to hear about the cliffhanger i'd love to two spaces you said two spaces are we talking about the arnold booth i thought this was a booth for the arnold we were discussing no what we're talking about here is typing so when when I, this is an interesting thing. When I grew up. This is an interesting thing because I have a lot of strong opinions on this.

And when I grew up typing, we were taught literally by all teachers that at the end, and this comes from typewriters because of the way that mechanical spacing worked on actual typewriters. Whereas word processors, I guess I haven't explained it. I'm talking about at the end of a sentence, at the end of a period, we were taught that you give two spaces, and that was actually deemed accurate by, you know, I mean, not that spellcheck is the final say-so, but that was accurate for a long period of time. They recently changed that now. That now is an error by spellcheck is the the final say so but that was accurate for a long period of time they recently

changed that now that now is an error see i thought that that changed a long time ago that just no because i just read an article on it that they just that spellcheck like like in microsoft word it changed or yeah okay like in microsoft word that just changed now that they now recognize that as an error if you use two spaces yeah and that's how it should be because uh the way it was always explained to me is that or i guess when i looked on it because i don't remember ever learning that but a lot of people didn't get so okay i don't think we ever learned it that way and if we did i didn't that didn't connect and i've done that for habit for i mean i actually can't not do it because that is how i was taught and i like literally can't not do like if i'm typing a if i'm just typing a couple things I

cannot do but if I'm like really getting into the zone of typing I can't not it's always a I hit doubles yeah and the way that I when I did like research on it so the thing a lot of people so with fonts there was a thing where they were monospaced where all characters were the same way yeah like that's what the type the typewriter was monospace they had and you think about it that yeah so it was was literally a type. So an I takes up the same amount of space as an M. And a space I believe was also set to take up the same amount of space as those two. So to give

the end of a sentence more of a visual break, you do a period, two spaces, and then a capital so that it was clear where the sentence ended. Because the monospace on its own obviously wasn't enough and you can look on your computer i don't use any monospace fonts for anything but you'll find them when you look through your computer and you'll just look for a typewriter font or your monospace

or something usually it says monospace in the name and you'll see like they're all the or you can open up like a text editor and usually like text editors like plain text they're all monospace and you can see like it might be harder. But even then they might know in those, they might just make more space for an end of a sentence too. But this is the thing. Like I never understood it because it looks wonky to me. Like there's all the time when I'm designing stuff. A lot of times you have walls of text and it always looks so goofy. Like I can pick it out in a second when I see a double space.

Because it looks so bizarre because to me in my brain, it's all right. We're reaching the end of a sentence. At the end of a sentence, we need a period to signify that this sentence is done. We need a space to break that word apart. And then we have a capital letter to signify the start of another sentence. Do we really need a fourth thing in there to signify like an extra space to signify that this sentence is new? It's like, no, we already did two things. We put a period. We did three things.

We put a period, a space, and a capital letter. We don't need that other thing to make it even more signified there. Yeah, I think growing up it was actually even that was something you could get dinged on if we weren't double spacing. See, that was not the case for me.

That was... And it's funny because i did a little research on this like within the last year when i and it's has switched i think pretty universally is true now don't do that but they all agree that like at a certain point in time it even post typewriter there was a period of time where it was still that was like the taught method yeah even though it wasn't needed anymore because the monospace thing had gone away There was a period of time where it was still, that was like the taught method. Yeah. Even though it wasn't needed anymore because of the monospace thing had gone away, but people were still doing it and teaching it that way.

Yeah. And that is also like goes to show like, well, is it a testament to kind of like how far like word processing and like typography and things have come? Like the fact that an I takes up significantly less space than an M now. Yeah. Like there, yeah, there's, there's's uh fonts that have variable widths in them so like it takes care of a lot of those problems the other thing i didn't i never looked this up but i thought about when i was thinking about this conversation what about uh when typing an address after you type

the two letters for the state abbreviation between the two letters of the state abbreviation and the zip code how many spaces are there one i was always taught that there's you space twice what yeah see okay so this is another thing of like things that people do wrong a lot of times people i see it a lot so i see double spacing a lot but the other thing i see a lot of people give me is two dashes two dashes is not a thing like what do you like dash dash like if they're putting a like they want a long hyphen so they're putting like two dashes consecutively i've never done that that's not a thing a lot of people do that um and so there's a thing like there's just your standard dash so like are you saying a hyphenated word or

like or more like like when they're even separating like a thought and like people use a dash okay not uncommon to see people do two of them together like that's not a thing but there is a thing called an m dash and an n dash so there's a dash which is the shortest one or hyphen yeah there's an n dash which is typically for any given like font the width of an n and then there's an m dash which is a dash that's the width of an m that's like the longest one sure and there are correct times to use all those i don't know when uh yeah i don't get enough into it and i don't know like anyone that's actually uh would ever know the answer on that to to call it out so um yeah there are little things like that uh i was gonna look up the zip code thing and see if that was a well a lot of okay so another thing that people don't realize like

with addresses and stuff is that the post office their machines do not read punctuation like did you know that no they do not read punctuation so like when you're doing when you're putting things in whether you put a period or a comma it does not matter one bit like those machines are not made to read punctuation see well the post office says one space between city and state two spaces between state and zip code so when you're typing it on the computer like that's what you're supposed to do yeah but like okay i don't get it either so what are you typing well that's what the post you know usps says but i you know i'm gonna what provides this service when you google something it's google and then it's it's them just scraping websites

it'll show like it's just them trying to pull the best guess from a website like stuff in there is wrong all the time right that's what i wonder where this came so this is just google do it like doing like taking their best guess at what so it's just pulling that exact same thing that was up there though yeah because it's the same address yeah yeah the same url so that's what but i don't get so like would this be like if you're typing like a shipping label is that what they're trying to say yeah like or if you're uh yeah typing up up an address that's going to go on an envelope. Or a lot of times in letters, I have to, at work, have the address on the top of the letter because it goes in a window envelope. Oh, okay, okay.

Yeah, see, I don't have to do that. Right, right, yeah. I'm trying to think of the last time I had to type an address that actually was used by the post office and i honestly yeah it comes up a lot like in my office because we use utilize window envelopes a lot so it's always in a word document that's not my yeah so two space so don't use two spaces after a period don't do it quit doing it and you're already using a period of space and a capital letter but according to this you are supposed to use two spaces after the state abbreviation do you think that actually won't send your letter if you didn't i would think

absolutely not i don't even know what the reason is for that like i don't know maybe it makes the machine easier to read for the machine when it goes through i would assume it's also an antiquated thing that's not you know probably because i think you're supposed to have handwritten things go through the yeah handwritten anything i think well because i actually used to work for a company that did like massive mailings like that was part of like their business model yep and so they had a whole mail room that all these people did to specialize in like getting mailings set up i'm pretty sure like you're even supposed to have like all of your abbreviations like avenue and street and all that stuff supposed to be in all caps. I think as far as like things being optimized for the post office,

there's all types of weird things, but yeah, I mean, even this seems conflicted. That's like, if I scroll down more, yeah, like I don't,

I don't know what the, but from what I did read on the, the sentences, there was a time when it was probably conflicted, but now I just don't think it even is. i think everyone would say don't do that well actually internet the internet most websites don't even let you like the way html code is is hitting two spaces it doesn't recognize two blank spaces it'll just do you race the second one out like now with like more advancement in like online editors like they'll start to recognize almost anything you

put in but for years and years and years like you could put 10 spaces editors like they'll start to recognize almost anything you put in but for years and years and years like you could put 10 spaces and it's only going to recognize one of them yeah this topic felt like something that people could have a strong opinion about it so if you do have a strong opinion uh go to our watch this on youtube and please comment in the comment section on youtube do you use two spaces at the end of a period don't do it do not do it and question one b do you use two spaces at the in your uh prior to your zip when you're when you're getting addresses ready for your window and yes and that's all i had on the cliffhanger okay i hope people hung on to the cliff i'm glad we got to the bottom of that one.

That's all I had for today. Oh, I went snowboarding this past weekend, Tanner. Oh, I didn't know that you did. You shred the gnar like Sean White. Is he still the best snowboarder? He's still good. I think he does. I think he's trying to be in the Winter Olympics, I'm pretty sure.

And that's going on now? No, I think it starts in February, like a month, I think um nothing like wait until the end of winter that's right well i don't even where's it at this year china or something is it is it like beijing no beijing it doesn't have it's somewhere i think you're right i think it's somewhere in china yeah um but i went snowboarding and out west river not in china not in though. And, you know, the weather can be somewhat unpredictable there, maybe even more so than Western North East South Dakota. Yeah. So they didn't have much for snow at all. They'd been making some snow.

Yeah, it's not quite the same. No, it's not. It's just kind of like these weird ice crystals. Those that really shred the gnar know that the fake snow is not quite the same. It's not as good. And we went like a couple days before new year's thinking like oh we'll beat the rush and it was a 30 degree day no we didn't beat the rush we were the rush and when there's not many runs open there's that many

people i have my own stuff so like i can walk in and like get my ticket and just be on my way right get the lift ticket the the extended family i was with and my wife they had to get lift tickets and get rentals it took them over an hour to get through all those lines to get like out to go skiing oh yeah it was well over an hour like i went down many runs hung out for a while and came back i'm like whoa you guys aren't done yet like this is crazy so you know just the way these things go when you have people that aren't, that don't do a lot. They don't shred as much. No,

they don't shred as much. No, like you take it a little easier. And so you're at a different pace, which is fine. It's just fine. Like I had a good, good enough time.

It's more of the conditions. Weren't that nice anyways, because when you have all these people falling down the mountain, it just turns into massive ice sheets. Yeah. But anyways, so we're kind of winding down our day. We only had about,

I think we probably rode for two, two and a half hours. Nothing too crazy. Felt pretty good though. It was my first time going in like three years, which since I started snowboarding, it's the longest I ever got in my life without snowboarding.

And all right, last run of the day, we're going down and I'm going like way to the edge of the thing, like just staying out of the way, minding my business. And I'm making like a turn right on the very, very edge,

like to the point, if I go a couple more feet, I'm going to like fall kind of off an edge and fall down a little bit. Yeah. So I'm making this big swooping turnover on the edge out of everyone's way. And all of a sudden I hear, and I'm just like flying through the air. I'm flying through the air and I hit the ground and all of my,

like my hat and everything's flying up. The yard sales in full effect. And I'm like, what? And I hear, Oh my God. Like my wife and her sister, some guy just totally out of control,

like barely down the mountain and hit me so hard between the shoulder. I have no idea how that's right. You were going, you were going. So what I was doing, I was making like a toe side turn. So I was facing like up towards the shoulder. I have no idea how that's right. So you were going, you were going. So what I was doing, I was making like a toe side turn. So I was facing like up towards the mountain. Okay.

So that was making my turn, but then I was straightening back out. And right when I was straightening out, I heard this, like, I just heard this, like just disaster coming. And I like sit up and I look,

cause I've slid down quite a ways. And I just look up and there's this fairly big guy. That just laying there and I'm like dude did you say something yeah and my wife and her sister were more into the what the fuck is wrong with you like like yelling at this guy because he was so out of control didn't see a thing or snowboarding and I'm sure he was embarrassed do you think he was I would guess probably in his 20s okay he's bigger than me he's a big guy yeah didn't say a single thing just laid there I'm sure he was embarrassed. How old do you think he was? I would guess probably in his twenties. Okay. He was bigger than me. He's a big guy. Yeah. Didn't say a single thing,

just laid there. I'm sure he was embarrassed. And I'm like, I'm not going to just sit here and argue with ski slopes. Like what's that going to do? So I got up, I ride in and like, I think the adrenaline was kind of going for a second.

And then when I finally calmed down, I'm like, okay. Like I got nailed between my shoulders, like hard. Like that's, if you told me that was like the only spot I got hit. Like, I don't, okay. Like I got nailed between my shoulders, like hard. Like that's, if you told me that was like the only spot I got hit. Like, I don't know if his, his head hit me between the shoulder blades or what. Yeah.

Um, and I'm like, I think I'm okay though. I think I'm fine. And as the day went on, it was very weird. Both of my triceps had like this intense, like pain in them. I don't know if it was a nerve thing or what the next day was still there a little bit too yeah after that it was gone i was 100 fine like i wasn't sore or anything the next day i thought i was going to be in trouble but it was just like this weird burn in both of my triceps and that was it so it feel like if someone came and speared you from behind when

you're not expecting actually when i first got hit like i i sat up and then i laid down because i'm like i think i got whiplash like i got hit so hard and yeah when i kind of got my wits about me i realized i think i'm okay i think i am and it really took like 10 minutes to go by for me to really process uh what happened but yeah i guess i got maybe kind of lucky on that one yeah it's uh my one note on uh the slopes is it's funny when I was little people generally didn't wear helmets I don't really even actually wear a helmet and now everyone wears a helmet that was actually another comment I I made was so I used to I lived in a place in Minnesota where I could go snowboarding like I'd go snowboarding like four days a week it was yeah we'd go every day yeah

you'd hit big jumps and you'd hit railings and boxes and all these, anyone wearing helmets or some people did. Yeah. It like, it wasn't weird to see someone wearing a helmet, but I never thought twice of it. Like I, I never wore a helmet and just going just the other day with my, with the family that I went with and that dude running into me.

I'm like, I actually, I said, if I go again, I'm pretty sure I will buy a helmet because I think more it's when you get older, you realize how like fragile life is and how not invincible you are and how it's not even totally up to you. Like accidents in the world, accidents in the world, car accidents, motorcycle, things like that. It's not anything you did. It's what someone else, it's someone else's negligence. You didn't even see it coming. A hundred percent. Like there

was nothing I could have done different. Like, and that wasn't even like, you didn't even see it coming a hundred percent like there was nothing i could have done different like yeah and that wasn't even like i wasn't even like slowing down to wait for anyone i was just going down the mountain and some guy was totally out of control and that's one of those things like yeah if you're on the edge and i go flying and you hit your head on a rock or you hit a tree like you don't even have to hit that hard you hit just right and your life's done like and for you start looking at a helmet being like 80 bucks or whatever it is right it's like oh i think that that would be something what percentage of the people do you think were wearing helmets uh over the weekend not a ton because there were so many people that had rental like yeah we're using rental equipment right um i don't know really really rough guess maybe 30 percent okay last time i

went i felt like i just thought that everyone was wearing a helmet and maybe it just stuck out to me so much because when i was like a kid going i don't remember helmets even existing yeah like i honestly don't i'd be like people wear helmets as far as like style and that was the other thing like i honestly i don't even think twice like someone i could have five people around me with helmets on i wouldn't even think twice about like in my head it's the other thing. Like I honestly, I don't even think twice. Like someone, I could have five people around me with helmets on. I wouldn't even think twice. But like in my head, it's the same as a hat.

Like I don't, my brain doesn't even like pay attention. Yeah. But you don't want to buy hats. You don't. That's real. You don't buy hats. Yeah.

So that's why you don't buy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. So that's skiing and snowboarding. Skiing.

Still. Terry Peak, Black Hills place for fun. Uh huh. That's what I always say. It was the place. Place to get railroaded. So do you think he was somebody that didn't know how to ski? Oh, yeah, 100%.

Yeah, you don't get like that out of... The runway run was so... It was one of the beginner runs, and it's so wide. There's an enormous amount of room. Yeah. I can see how other runs... And it was like a green hill like it's we were just literally taking it to go into the lodge it's the easiest one right

there so much right out the well it's not the one right out it but it matches out to that one like it's there was so much room there's like not icy conditions it was just there's no reason that should ever happen i could see like in other runs where there's a lot of ice it's much steeper there's more people packed into smaller areas like things can get out of control but just the amount of room the total lack of a slope like the fact that a guy can like run into me that hard see you know what the problem was he french fried when he should have he was definitely doing way too much french fry like you dude pizza a little bit pizza pizza pizza with those french fries man that's what i should have told him dude how about a little pizza with those next time that situation comes up easy on the french fries frenchie are you a delivery man because i don't know where

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