Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 304: Remembering Bud Jeffries

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

This is a special epiosde for Big Bud Jeffries, who passed away last week.  We replayed our interview with him from August of 2020.  He was undoubtedly one of a kind. Rest in power Big Bud. The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 304 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about near finn recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy we've got a lot of good stuff, Tommy. I know I've said it about 303 times now, but 304. Put another one on the list. Yeah, another one.

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power bar yeah and then there is a discord crew there is actually a dakota power bar and we didn't know that and did you see the company you know it's that prx yeah they're in fargo right yeah i believe so they're the ones with the fold-up gym rack. Yeah, whatever that thing is. Whatever that thing. I don't know if we have no interactions with them ever of any kind. We don't, actually. I don't want to pimp them too much. And we don't even cross paths with them either is kind of the funny thing about it.

I'm not sure if they're Team Masonomics or not. As of right now, they're not. We don't want to give them too much free publicity, I don't think. Because they, and everyone knows, they were on Shark Tank, right? Were they on Shark Tank? I think they were on Shark Tank. And so if you're on Shark Tank, it's your job to reach down. It's not our job to extend the olive branch, right?

Well, if Mark Cuban helped them out. If the cubes extends down to you, then you extend down to us. That's the way it works. We don't reach up. You got to reach down. So's we can't even if we wanted to we couldn't it's against the rules that's true so we have to wait until they make the first move here yep are you rocking the classic lift shirt i am i went with the og this uh first of all this shirt is very old this is actually my second lift shirt my first one was very old. I know when you got that shirt. It was at the Arnold, wasn't it? The last time.

So, two? 2019. 2019. That's three years ago. That's like a decade ago, it feels like. Yeah. I did, because I remember that. You both busted out new ones.

Because I remember that. I'm like, yeah, it's already. You know, both of our shirts right now have been worn a lot. Because that was when Masonomics had like two shirts. So, it's like, if you want to wear a Masononomic shirt your choices were almost og or lift shirt yeah maybe bench heavy was uh well i think a bench heavy was just coming around right wasn't it um big lou even mentioned that's really the weekend true before it was the lift shirt it was the weekend warrior yep it was it was the weekend warrior shirt that's what we went with for a long time but

the sometimes these things get a life of their own. And in this case, the life of its own was the Lyft shirt. Yeah. Who would have thought? Just keep it simple. Call it the Lyft shirt. I see the Discord's having streaming issues. Well, Discord was having issues altogether today.

Discord was down for quite a while. Was it actually? Yeah. Okay. I saw someone talk about that. I didn't know if that was the case or not but yeah um i didn't know if maybe my wi-fi is. We will not let that die. No, no. Well, what do we got first on the list, Tanner?

There was something I was thinking about. Okay. Do share. Please tell. This came up in the comments of some post. It was like maybe even a month ago at this point in time. I don't know what the comments was. Someone said something about a dream or a recurring dream or something like that.

Anyways, it reminded me of a recurring dream i have and i just i bring have a recurring dream yeah oh okay and i'm bringing it up because multiple people either commented like replied to my comment there and said they have the same recurring dream or dm'd me and said that's funny you say that i actually have that same thing okay when did you talk about this I have it was just in the comments section on Instagram oh something like a month ago people people related yes yes so that's why I'm bringing it up because I would have expected I was the only you know all right I want that it's so rare that nobody else would have ever had it but I just are you falling or is someone chasing you neither okay but it's not completely off of that path

it's um so i played high school sports like football basketball track and all that stuff and is it you can't get ready on time and everything well it's not far off of that it's okay because i've had that dream once in a while my dream is always that uh it's a road basketball game and i forgot my road jersey or brong brought the wrong jersey or didn't bring it at all and i'll wake up like terrified every time that like like that i don't have my green okay it's kind of funny that you say this because like you said not exactly the same but probably a week or two ago i had a dream where and i don't even it's been so long since i've had a dream like this but i had a dream where

i was getting i was getting ready for a high school for a football game. We're getting ready. And I was in the locker room and like, I didn't have my stuff and like, I couldn't get my stuff on, but then like I had it, but it was like, it wasn't the right stuff.

And like, everyone was getting ready to go. And I, so it's kind of along those same lines, which is really weird because that was like a week or two ago that I had that. It seemed, I think big Lewis.

Yeah. Maybe big Lou was one of the guys, even at the time that said he had that recurring dream. it's you know i'm 35 now so it was at minimum 18 years ago that this is even a relevant thing to me and i'll wake up and it'll sometimes it's you know so vivid it takes me and it takes me a while to be like okay i'm 35 like that's not a thing yeah and even if it was a thing, then they'd be like, ah, here's the 4X jersey you can wear. Right.

It wasn't a, you know, there was always a resolution to it. And I don't really ever recall, I don't even know if that ever happened to me. Like, I remember like sometimes it was like, oh, mom, can you bring my jersey? I forgot to bring it this morning and drop it off at the school or,

you know, that sort of thing a few times. But I mean, I'll have that dream a few times a year really yeah wow yeah i don't know what that says maybe we need like would have to do a deeper dive into the psychology of that but interesting yeah and there's a couple i think big lou is one of the guys that mentioned it and then there was a couple people that even dm'd that said like they said that's crazy i have that same dream yeah that is wow yeah big lou said he had a powerlifting dream where he forgot his singlet ah not what you want no i had usually not a team or a coach there to bring you the backup singlet in that case no we may just made a meme about that oh because it was oh yeah the airplane leaving and yeah it's like like yep i've got everything for sure i triple checked and it's

like yep forgot my singlet one sock and you know my underwear yep always got to be that one thing yeah that's interesting on the dream thing i i don't know i outside of like what i just said i do remember when i was watching The Sopranos and we were really going through those multiple episodes per day. I'd kind of get these dreams at night where almost like cops were coming after me. Kind of almost this weird paranoia thing, which wasn't fun.

But as soon as I got done watching The Sopranos, that went away. And that only happened towards the end when we were pushing five, six episodes a day on the weekends. You know when you'd have kids and you could just watch TV all day, every day? Yeah. Not anymore though. Yeah.

It's odd. Tanner, I do have kind of a little bit of follow-up on something. Very coincidentally, I like to frequently go on Reddit. I'm one of those people that I think there's a fair number of them. You don't really go on Reddit, do you? No, but it is, if I understand correctly, it's like the front page of the internet. I'm one of those people that I think there's a fair number of them. You don't really go on Reddit, do you? No, but it is, if I understand correctly, it's like the front page of the internet. It is like the front page of the internet. And I...

I don't go on it. I go on it... I've tried. I've actually tried to get into it. I probably go on it twice a day, every single day. Okay. I do not have an account. I'm one of those people that never has an account and I don't want an account and I

have no desire to leave comments on anything. Is Reddit growing? I think it is. They're supposedly going to go public pretty soon here. But so on the front page, which the front page is the top 25, I think it's 25 most popular posts. The front page of the front page.

It is the front page of the front page. This was right here. I took a screenshot and you can go ahead and read this. This was one of the top posts the other day. You can go ahead and just try to read it yeah you can read it aloud it's a it's a picture of a guy it's an old black and white photo of a guy horace hart in 1895 horace was the inventor of the oxford comma and looks like the type of man to have the swagger to start an argument the last decades do you or do you not use the oxford comma and then there was all types of fun banter about the oxford comma in there but i thought that was

pretty funny that we were just talking about the oxford comma and then i see it on the uh yeah someone someone sent me a meet us i've we've been sent the meme a few times over the last couple days uh where it's uh all right all you people 37 and older you can you're you're free now you can stop using two spaces after your periods like that was for the typewriter era and then on every one of those it's a whole uh whole debate yeah and then like people take there's the picture right there big nick has the picture pulled up yeah that's what we're just looking at i don't have have any good really alternative grammar follow-up, like any new grammar discussions for us to get into this time in particular.

We covered most of the ones that I had. We've covered everything that is related to grammar in the world. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of assumed that by the time we touched the Oxford Con, we had gone to the deep corners of the grammar world. By the time we touched the Oxford Con, we had gotten to the deep corners of the grammar room. So the lift evil drop we had this last, was that, that wasn't just a week ago, was it?

Or was it? Well, I guess we, we, we had just, when we had Frank on last week, we had just dropped. Oh yeah. That's what it was. Okay. God. Cause all of a sudden you had me double guessing myself there yeah we had frank on on friday and we dropped on thursday so so we have we did kind

of talk about it last week on the podcast but a little more follow-up on that there's if you wear a size medium lift uh size medium of our short there's still a couple of those around a few more sold today so there's not many there's just a couple of those race and we did uh also release the uh race hell lift heavy t then too and they're some of those around too it's been a good seller yeah stock's pretty good on sizing the numbers are working out good on those where it's getting down there but there's still sizes yeah um so you can go check both of those out but then the bigger more topical news right now is drink spotters are back baby it's back they're back and safer than ever safer bigger and better than ever and we say bigger and better they're the same size and just as good as always but you get what we're saying they're no different than the first they're

actually literally no different but they are bigger and better yeah um so they're back and we do have both the five eights and the one inch uh pinhole sizing of course they fit the they're made to fit a three by three rack but they will actually there's some discussion in the discord about it today they will fit a two by three rack they'll fit a two by two rack there's a few uh big jen on there shared her picture of the two by two rack and it looks it is not uh does not rack and it looks, it is not a, does not look abnormal. It looks like it might be just as safe as a three by three.

I think it's still, especially when your alternative option is not having a drink spotter. I would for sure go with the drink spotter. It's like, okay, you know, your option is no seatbelt, the,

the three point seatbelt or just the lap belt. The lap belt is still better than nothing. Yeah. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. Yeah. There you go. I think, I think they had the drink spotter in mind when they came up with that quote. Do not let perfection be the enemy of good.

So, yeah, those are back in stock. And the demand is, there was some pent-up demand for those things. There was. They're kind of, they're speeding off now. They still are the same 12-gauge stainless steel that you've come to know and love made in america made in america you know the rest probably safety is no accident you've probably seen in the comment section by now yeah should we segue that into a sex segment i think now's the That was the time, yeah. Okay. M. Night Shyamalan twist ending.

It's not a sack segment. It's a box. I was going to say, this is a very odd-looking sack. Yes, and here is the letter for the sack segment. Should I read it? Yeah. I have the honor. So this is from Big Andrew.

He's the one that packs packs up and ships out to our all of our 12 gauge stainless steel drink spotters to us and that's not all that big andrew has oh he he says i'm no agro finance wizard or adobe illustrator god but enjoy some goodies from my day job andrew question for. Do you or do not, do you not pop the bubble wrap? You know, when I was a kid, I loved to. Now, I don't really think twice about it.

I don't really because... These are the big ones, though. These are the big bubbles. I typically reuse these. Yeah. For drinks, for drinks butter shipments. You have an interest in not popping them. So, here you go.

This is actually your half of the shipment, first of all. Whoa, for real yes yes damn okay so we have little Dutch boy bakery wow holy and this

first one is the this is like the assortment pack of cookies yeah it's actually fancy assorted cookies yeah that's a whole okay so yeah that one has all types of varieties then we have danish nut crescents and i don't know what those are i don't either i'm getting very excited i do i love me some sweets i'm a kind of a sweet i don't care you know much for like fruity like candy like skittles and stuff

like that sounds good but i don't really care for it i do not like cookies and chocolate and stuff like that oh man i'm all about that snickerdoodle cookies and is is there like do you notice anything about this that seems like it's a walmart package i would sure say that yeah so they must they must white label cookies for uh wal. Okay. So, so you know, those are going to be good. When did this, and also when did this become the Walmart logo? I think that happened and I never even knew,

but I knew the whole thing. Cause growing up, I only subliminally know that that's. Well, do you remember? If you told me to draw like to the Walmart logo, I wasn't looking at this right now. I'd be like,

Oh, I don't know what that, what the hell is it? You just say wall, wall dash mark. Do you remember what it was when we were growing up? The smiley face. It was just the yellow smiley.

Because he was dropping prices always. But this is some... It's crazy the way that this branding works. Yeah, subconsciously know that. Because everyone knows that. Yeah, I know. But yet, I think a lot of people, maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of people will be asking,

what is the Walmart logo you got? That's actually a really good, even someone like me who has more of an interest in this than most people, I think if you said draw the Walmart logo, it would actually take me, I'd have to sit and think about it for a while. Right.

But if you saw that, you could flash that in front of me and I'd know it. Yeah. And then finally, we have the pecan shortbread cookies. All right. Pecan, pecan, pecan. I say pecan. I don't know.

I think it's a thing. It depends on what part of the country you're from. What was the last one you say? I definitely don't say that. Pecan, pecan, pecan. Yeah, I don't say pecan. I don't know if anyone says that. I might just be stretching for something. I think people, so pecan or pecan pecan pecan yeah i don't say pecan i don't know if anyone says that i might just be stretching i think people so pecan or pecan is that the question then pecan or pecan i would say pecan

really i would say pecan pecan i actually don't know pecan i'm just thinking about it pecan pie okay pecan pecan yeah see there's a map it depends on what part of the country you're from is what version of it you use. So who says pecan? The graph is too damn small. Because that doesn't sound completely abnormal to me. Deep South, according to the Discord, is pecan. Okay. Or maybe that's pecan.

I'm not quite sure. Or maybe it's pecan't. I'm not quite sure the phonics of how they do this. God, I kind of want to rip into one of these right now. Yeah, you should bust something out there. What should we... had oh yeah so i have i have the same okay assortment i don't know if maybe you had like no i tore into these and you're gonna tell me what one to go with no um yeah let's freaking get it going okay i gotta put some stuff so the long and short of it is big andrew's making all kinds of cookies over there freaking cookie monster um

who's your favorite sesame street character that's assuming i watched enough sesame street to have a actual knowledge but you know the main character yeah um i don't know i don't know like their quirks now that i'm a little older of what's going on with who uh big bird's kind of a classic right i think big bird is overrated is he yeah i gotta go with chocolate right away here let me try one of those isn't chocolate that is chocolate. Mm-hmm. Chocolat. I'm going to get another one before I'm done here. Well, thank you, Big Andrew.

This is delightful. This is good. And he knows by now, but the drink spotters obviously safely arrived in Western Realty. We got them. So now the next hour, people are just going to listen to us eat cookies on air we're not leaving until that box do you need one more or not i gotta try these guys out i'll try that one oh yeah gonna be working on these for the next several weeks you know what i would say about like that chocolate one it's uh quite a bit better than what I thought it would have been

even just by looking at it. Now that I've eaten one, I'm like, oh yeah, I could eat. I could mow down those if I had no self-restraint. Oh, yeah. Would you agree with that? Oh, I could 100% just. Same with this. This chocolate chip one is also very good you know when you're a

kid and it's like the holidays and there's so many just sweets around and you can just go nuts on them and it doesn't really affect you now that's like the one time where i usually just i'm like screw it i'll eat everything that's here you know all the bars and cakes and candies and cookies and all that and now after like you hit that hard like an hour or two later you actually do feel shitty like that did not used to happen when you were younger now you do feel like something like you almost are on an actual hangover it does not take very much i like i like the way that they taste but there is something about sweets that i will feel shitty oh like these two these two, Little Cookies I ate is fine.

But if I ate like six of them in like 30 minutes, I'd feel like shit. Yeah. Like I don't know why that is. It's a fine line. I think you get older, your body just struggles processing that stuff a little more. But you should read an ad, Tanner. While you're reading an ad, you can take your time. I'm going to go get the can because we have a What's in the Can coming up.

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He said this is going to be a particularly interesting can segment. So I don't know what to expect yet. Your all guesses is just as good as mine at this point. And while we wait for him, I'm going to tell you guys about one more thing. Going to tell you about Texas power bars. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights in the late 60s. He began power lifting in the mid 70s. At that time, he was working for Image Barbell building gym equipment. Around 1976, a local machine shop started making Olympic bars

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Okay. I need you to – do you have your blindfold over there, Tanner? Oh, yes. I need you to put on the official what's in the can. I was going to freak out not knowing what to say, so I was like, oh, I'll lean on another ad here. The old, when in doubt, read an ad. All right, Tanner has the official blindfold on and now we're gonna do what's in the can all right i wonder what's in the can so i want you to know this is a special segment of what's in the can

tanner okay um i'm gonna allow you to take a sip but there if you need to ask a clue there is also a clue to support this what's in the can okay if you're not 100 certain on the flavor right away you can revert to your clue it's a very thin can it is a thin can so oh it's got a crispy crack so it's a very thin i don't know if it's normal height maybe but it's got a crispy crack. So it's a very thin, I don't know if it's normal height maybe, but it's very thin. So I can take a sip here first. You can take a sip. I've got all that cookie in my mouth still. That certainly has a flavor to it, doesn't it?

There is some flavor there. Wow. The first thing that comes to my mind is this like bubble gummy flavor but i feel like i've said that about something else that we've had on the show before and it wasn't really bubble gum yeah so do i get a hint do you want the clue i would take a clue i'm gonna going to prep the clue. This is a physical real life clue. And I'm still not going to be able to see it though. There's still no vision involved. Okay.

Vision like the superhero from Marvel. Yes. So I need you to reach your hand down grab that and then put it in your mouth here

let's do this grab right there and take a bite of that and this will be your clue well I know what that is i know exactly what that is specifically so we're eating again yeah there's no mistaking what this is actually this is good because i kind of a lighter supper tonight so but i'm i'm not I mean, I'm saying I know exactly what this is. Um,

it's unmistakable. If you're from Western Northeast, South Dakota, it's a slice of, uh, pepperoni pizza from that's a pizza for pizza. That's a real pizza. You call that.

So that's a, that's a pizza. That's a well done. And I already know that that's right. Like, so now if we're having pizza what beverage do you have to have with pizza well it would usually be milk right is this milk is it coke what is it coconut milk is that what this beverage is called let me just let me have

a sip of this is that what coconut milk tastes like? I thought it was bubble gummy. Maybe you need to... I guess I'm going to say it's coconut milk then based on that clue. Okay. Then let's go ahead and take a look here. Oh, what is that? I don't even know what this is called. Milk is?

Milkis? Milkies? Milkies, I would say. Milkies banana carbonated drink and it's got a like a chinese uh writing on it too doesn't it yep no caffeine no preservatives no corn syrup made in korea ingredients ready for the ingredient list yeah water cane sugar, carbon dioxide, powdered skim milk, citric acid banana flavor. Pretty amazing, huh? Where did that come from?

So this would be compliments of Masonomics fan and supporter Big Megan, who is also sent over. I always forget her Instagram handle. Flames to Stardust? start yes there you go yeah yeah flames to stardust yeah so she sent this over um she said a little backstory when i went to korea these drinks were actually pretty popular and were always available in vending machines i only got to try the regular version of this drink when i was there so i guess you can call these the lift shorts of drinks i hope you guys have some bagel bites, pizza, something like that on hand to enjoy.

Okay. So to really get down to the brass tacks of this beverage, let me take a sip of this. Now that you know what you're working with. I don't know that that tastes like banana. I guess maybe a little bit. Maybe like very artificial banana flavor. Yeah, I guess if I had one of those little banana-shaped, banana candy, hard candy. It's like candy banana. Yeah.

Like candy banana is way different than actual banana. Right. And I'm curious what the regular version, like is there a straight-up just milk, unflavored version of this? with the regular version. Like, is there a straight up just milk, unflavored version of this?

Yeah, and it's funny because it's fake milk, which is just essentially water and sugar. And this, you know, there's 31 grams of sugar in this thing. So there is a fair amount of sugar in a eight ounce can. Like, that's a lot. Do you think it tastes good it just tastes very artificial yeah it does it just tastes sugary yeah uh it's an intense flavor i could definitely drink a whole one of these um i don't i think i'd feel a little more guilty about it than i would you know just hitting uh hitting some carbonated water.

I'll tell you what tastes good. This here pizza? Yeah. So I was delaying Tanner. I had to put it in the microwave to warm it up. I couldn't just bring us down cold. Are you a cold pizza guy? I warmed it up.

Yeah, I don't. I mean, I'll definitely eat it, but I'm a warm pizza guy for sure. I'm a leftover pizza guy for sure i'm a leftover pizza guy oh but i like to warm it up first sometimes it doesn't need to be super hot when it's rewarmed though just like but not but just a little warmth rather than cold yeah so we got cookies beverages pizza we're living high on the hog over here. Freaking podcast. Yeah. I was going to see what else we had on our list here today. Should I get into supporting our supporting members?

Mm-hmm. As long as our supporting members are still on. The real challenge is you have to put that pizza down. Yeah, I might have to take one more bite just to... I don't want to put the pizza down. We got this active community we want the world to know about. And boy, is this community getting active, online and off. That's a good segue to what we're going to talk about here.

end off that leads that's a good segue to what we're going to talk about here so this is uh supporting our supporting members it's this relatively new segment we've had it for a few weeks now though where we take a chance to uh tyler big tyler has a good point you know we could say that support our supporting members it was was your birthday. You're getting old now, Tanner. There was a very important supporting member that had a birthday. It was me. Oh, submasters, though. I am submasters officially now. So South Dakota, 275 submasters, people that weigh in between 275 and 308 pounds.

And are between the ages of 35 and 39. Look out, nothing's safe. I'm coming for you. The other zero of you that exist. Like literally there could be like almost nobody actively competing in that specific class for the state of South Dakota. It wouldn't be odd to say,

think that there's not one, probably a surprisingly small number of people. Yeah. But the one, and more about this segment we do, you know, it's our supporting members. A lot of the people,

we also call them our discord crew. Not all the supporting members are on discord, but a lot of them are. And it's been fun. We've been seeing a lot of them are and it's been fun we've been seeing a lot of new people pop in over the last few weeks uh several people a lot sign up that haven't been a part of it before getting in on the discord crew a couple they got uh new supporting members said this is their first live podcast to listen to as big johnny said it and i think big sam they both said this is their first one. So shout out to Big Johnny and Big Sam

for their first live podcast. That's one of the perks you get of becoming a supporting member is you get to listen to the podcast live through the Discord community. There's also discount code out there for supporting members. You get your name said on the podcast.

You might get your name said on the podcast. So that's where supporting our supporting members comes into play here and specifically who we wanted to shout out this time besides just me. Actually, that was it. It was just me. That's all I. Shut it down. I wanted to use this opportunity to talk more about us.

But we were going to highlight Big Nate and Big Eddie. They had a meetup this last week at big nate's house and these are if you've been around the supporting member community for a while you know big nate and big eddie they've both been on the podcast actually at this point and they had a special meetup in big nate's at big nate's house in his garage gym and they put together a video like uh those guys tend to do and it did not disappoint um they brought up at least a couple other supporting members it was very funny big jeff and uh it was a diss track on big big mostly squat bs math of course so uh they didn't disappoint but shout out to them for just doing that cool

stuff uh getting together with other people in the massonomics community it's really cool for us to see it is really crazy and really fun for us to see that too it's very exciting because it feels like all of your friends are becoming friends but also i've never met these people before the one issue we might have though is are the inmates starting to run the asylum i'm concerned that the inmates are starting to run the asylum here and that we have no that is cause for concern i never thought about that yeah who's calling the shots around are they in do you would you say are the inmates in fact running the asylum it's starting to feel like that yeah i'm have a growing sense of paranoia all of a sudden yeah yes so shout out to those guys thank you and thanks for being supporting members one other

quick note big nick um did say that he traded in his malibu for a chevy traverse so congratulations i suppose yeah although we are going out for the malibu yeah we are kind of a malibu podcast a buick we're a buick podcast and a malibu podcast um so our r.i.p malibu but i just i think it's a positive still that the Malibu is getting to go to a new home and like you know bring a shine to someone else it never really dies it just goes on until

eventually it actually does die but even when it dies it never really dies so most people don't realize it just goes forever that pizza was delightful Tanner I spot i bet you're pretty jealous just watching you eat that while you're talking yeah i was like and now i have some banana milk to wash it down with banana milk sounds so gross you also notice how do you suppose you milk bananas well do you notice this drink is a very

odd like whitish yellow color there's not a lot of drinks besides milk that are white and this is one of them i guess we never gave it a rating either did we yeah big megan's probably dying to know what our rating is i'd probably give it a three like it's i don't think it tastes bad it's just so sugary um i would never buy one of these no i wouldn't buy one either drinks i guess really yeah i wouldn't buy one either but definitely had worse things no it doesn't taste bad i'd probably pick it over a coconut la croix my thing is i just don't really want something with you i'm not like yeah let me get how many calories can i get through this eight ounce beverage well in this case it's only 130 so those are rookie numbers i gotta pump those up

it's all just sugar calories yeah we gotta get them in somehow well is that it? Do we go? Are we going to get on to the next part of this? Yeah, I think we'll. So so this is kind of a special episode to what we're doing, something we've literally never done before. Yeah, we we're going to. Now get into the interview in this week, we're not calling someone today we're going to replay

our interview from episode 229 which is back in August of 2020 when we got to interview Big Bud Jeffries and Big Bud passed away this last week don't really necessarily know all the details of what exactly the situation was it sounded like his wife had said he was working out and um he passed out you know fell over they tried to resuscitate him and they couldn't and um big bud is someone that you know he's like one of the first people that we well a few things we started talking about him on the podcast oh really early on you know really early on. He was one of the, yeah. One of the first people that we felt like, like check out this guy on Instagram. Look what this guy's doing.

Yeah. Actually, I think he was in our article, uh, people under 10,000 follows that you should follow. And I think he was just over 10,000. Like when we, and that was,

but we knew enough of him at the time to like put him on other people's radar. Right. Cause he was doing some interesting stuff. True. And then in 2016, maybe 2017, we sent him a Lyft shirt and probably some other things. I don't remember what. But he did several things wearing our stuff. But yeah, that most recognizable or infamous one is where he's...

We talk about it on this episode, too. You'll hear it. I'm pretty positive we talked about it. I think we did. He's doing the flaming yoke carry where he's like dragging a tire and then he does the splits after and his whole yard is literally on fire he has all the grass on fire and he did if i remember right he said it was like one of the toughest things he had ever done before yes he did say that and i don't remember what the weight on the yoke was it like 1400 or something like that over a thousand

pounds and then on top of that he was pulling the pulling the tire which was tied behind him too and yeah i believe on the on the interview we have with him he said that was one of the hardest physical feats he ever did yeah and when we first saw that video it was like oh my god because no one really had massonomic stuff then right and to see someone that we kind of looked up to and thought had cool videos, one wearing our shirt, and then the fact that he went through this whole elaborate setup and he went through this whole thing to do this video, it meant so much to us at the time. We were just so jacked for it. Yep, yep. There was one time when I was in Florida. I was hoping to meet up this was probably like

2017 or 2018 even when i was in florida and i was had been working on arranging i was going to go do a podcast with him in person with the uh zoom and it just didn't happen to work out i can't remember if he was you know because i was at the hurricane time too though that's what it was actually i think it was hurricane irma and we got evacuated and so I wasn't able to, which, bummer, obviously, but didn't get to. But, you know, we've kept in contact with Bud quite a bit over the last several years, and obviously a huge bummer that he passed away. It sucks.

And we were just talking about it at the gym. Just the number of things that he does, you're just like, yep, not going to try that one because it's just so crazy. Like it doesn't make any sense, half the stuff. And I say it doesn't make any sense. Like if we were just to randomly go out one day, we would just be destroyed doing the stuff he was doing. His body had built up this work capacity and this like resistance to unusual exercises that I don't think many people ever, ever will be able to do again.

No, that's true. So, yeah, I guess I think it's a great interview with Bud and unfortunately we won't get the chance to interview again, of course, but I'm glad we get to,

I'm glad we had this one with them at least. Yeah. And if this is your first time hearing about Bud taking the interview and definitely course but I'm glad we get to I'm glad we had this one with him at least yeah and if this is your first time hearing about Bud taking the interview and definitely go on to Instagram his page has a pretty amazing back catalog of feats and achievements when you go through

so rest RIP big Bud yeah and without further ado here's the interview hi guys what's going on And without further ado, here's the interview. Hi, guys. What's going on? Ah, is this Mr. Jeffries? Yes, it is.

Excellent. Bud, you're live on the podcast with Tanner and Tommy, and I'll just start off by saying we are both extremely excited to be able to talk with you today. Oh, very cool, man. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. today. Oh, very cool, man. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Great. Yeah, go ahead, Tommy. We were just talking, actually, before this, like when was the first time

we ran across Bud? And we actually remembered that, I don't even know if you know this or remember, but we wrote an article like four and a half years ago about people you should be following on Instagram, and you were one of the people we had in our list from way back then. And, um, I think things have came a long ways since then, I think. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Geez. That's four and a half years ago. Wow.

I think so. Yeah. So it's, it's you, a lot of these interviews that we talk with people, they're, they're really involved in like, say, one discipline. Yeah, it tends to be fairly straightforward because they're a power lifter and we talk about power lifting stuff. And maybe there's a few things that branch off of that. But we were trying to think of how do we describe Bud Jeffries? And you're a beast with a lot of different things. And it's hard to, it's hard to, how would you describe yourself if someone isn't familiar with who you are? You know, like every time I do an interview or podcast, I kind of get this question because everybody has the same problem. And in fact, it's kind of like a sales problem for me,

because if you look at things from a marketing perspective and all that stuff, people are like, well, you have to be known for this one thing. Well, I don't do just one thing. And it's, and it's kind of difficult to describe like so if i tell people if they i use the moniker strongman only because strongman covers for most people not lifter people like us who need a more specific denomination of things but like normal humans that don't you know set stuff on fire and lift 400 pound rock and back. Like, like normal humans, strong man sort of gives them an idea of covering of what going on, what's going on. I would classify myself today more of an old time strong man.

And the things I do are more, I'm like, this is a descriptive term, but I don't mean it like this because like, okay, like strong man entertainment. Okay. it might be a little more but like that sort of sounds like wwe which is all that doesn't that's not exactly the direction i want to go that's not what i'm talking about but but those that combination of words together is sort of what i'm doing so i and over the course of my life if you want to talk about that well i've done every almost every competitive strength discipline you can do. And lots of other athletic things or whatever. So today, if I had to really classify, I guess I'm an old-time strongman,

but that gives me the freedom to really just use pieces from polo lifting and strongman competition and highland games and lots and lots of other disciplines from martial arts to a lot of accuracy-based and, like, crazy stuff. And so because I'm making it entertaining and more, you know, accessible to the normal human, I tend to light things on fire and throw sharp things and shoot stuff all while holding something heavy

or trying to fight a live tiger or something along that line. That's about as close as you can – there isn't, like, one word. You know what I'm saying? There's, like, one thing that really says. Well, that's about as close as you can, there isn't like a one word, you know, it's like one thing that really says, well, that's about as close as you can get to really. And, and correct me if I'm wrong,

but I think you could also put on that list, um, speaker, author, and, um, I, you've also appeared on TV before too,

right? Well, okay. Not like as an actor, but yeah, that's, let me say that. Not yet. Not yet. Who knows? Who knows? I'm not going to rule that out. Although, you know, I don't, well okay not like as an actor but yeah that's let me say that not yet not yet who knows who

knows i'm not going to rule that out although you know i don't but no i've been on tv all kind of lots of different news and interview type things for tv and i've spent a long time doing it as a professional speaker so like i was a when i say old time strong man that kind of clarifies not not clarifies but it gives you the idea because, okay, really what people are booking you as today with a minor, minor exception of two or three things, if you're getting paid to do this, what they're booking is a speaker who happens to do strong man things, not a strong man who can run at people. And like, you know,

once in a while people want you to just show up and do something real physical and wow the crowd and walk off and drop the mic and not say anything. But 90% of the time, anybody who's booking a live show of strength today is looking for you to speak on a particular topic or something. So I spent the last years of my career of that thing where I was really pushing it public speaking very hard. I did an anti-bullying tour with a school um group and so like in a three-year period i spoke at a thousand different schools in 44 states for like 300,000 kids and each one of those was a strongman performance yeah yeah it was crazy like i i'll tell you what man it was a shaping uh time for me as far as learning from strongman stuff

like it really helped me evolve my craft. And it also, I think it gave me a real sense of what people were doing, you know, 50 years ago, a hundred years ago, like the guys we look at who are the forefathers of the things we're doing today, guys like all your Saxon and,

and, um, Sandow and some of the guys who were the early, early real champions or famous physical cultures from the twenties and thirties, or even before that, um, it gave me a real sense of what it was like to live that way also i learned exactly what bob seger meant by

like that like you know long lonesome highway east of omaha crap like i learned dude i know that song intimately like all that like when after that much time and travel like that particular thing is nine solid months on the road. So like, dude, hotel rooms all start to look the same after a while. You know what I'm saying? That sounds brutal. And see, you're like even more clarifying this point for us. We both time and myself have both followed you for a long time.

And like we, I may be speaking for both of us, but we didn't even really know that you had done that much uh touring speaking like that like that's just even more that we didn't know about you because there's so much you know you've done so much uh in this field that it's just it's just hard to even go through it all right well and i'm and i'll actually i'm trying to make it even harder because i'm trying to catalog i think this is something that like herman garner was the one old time trauma is really known for the wide variety of crazy feats and he had in the book that parallels that chronology that chronicles his life they catalog hundreds of feats and that's kind of the direction i'm going i want to see you know like what's possible for the human body to combine strength and all the other possible physical attributes

and what can we do all together. And, you know, and the speaking thing was awesome, man. It taught me exactly how to be like super dialed in for a performance and super dialed in for a strength feat within seconds and, you know, perform two, three times a day,

five days a week. And it's a whole, there's a learning process of that. So yeah, there's, I mean, when you really, and that was kind of what I'm looking for is I want to, it sounds crazy and I don't mean in like this any way aggrandizing way, but I kind of want to build a legacy of this where like, I want to have hundreds, you know, done as much with the gift I have or done as much with the work I can do as possible. So yeah, that when you start adding up, it kind of ends up with a lot of stuff when you look at like all the videos and all the training material, like I've got eight books and like 50 training

videos and like, uh, well, well, I'm, I think in cataloging this, I'm one of about five guys I know of living today who's done over a thousand performances. That is very, very impressive. And so with over a thousand performances, I mean, you come in contact with probably, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of people over that time, if not a million people. Is there any moments that really stick out to you as being like, you know, these were the top three moments going through all of that? Oh, wow. Um, really, really putting you on the spot here.

Yeah. That's a tough one. Cause there's a lot of, you know, like once in a while when you're, cause a lot of performance I do is for kids, you know, kids in schools and that kind of thing. So once in a while you really get like, okay, I have a box of letters that kids wrote to me. I have a box of letters. Once in a while, a kid would write, and once in a while, teachers would have their whole class

writing letters about the performance or whatever. And so once in a while, you get some really, really touching stuff. I got to do some stuff for some kids. That was really cool. Meet some really amazing kids along the way and do some really stuff like that. Also, as part of that thing, I got to see literally almost all of lower America, like literally see it up close as a performing thing.

Well, let's see. Wow. First time or two that I performed with people I really respected was, was kind of a cool thing. Cause that's, you know, that's I'm, I'm actually, I am, that's an, I actually am what I say. I am kind of a cool thing. Cause that's, uh, um, you know, that's, uh, I'm, I'm actually, I am, that's an, I actually am what I say. I am kind of a thing. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, uh, um, that's like, it's kind of the first time TV people call you to come do something that's kind of like a, okay, I really am actually doing this. Like I'm, I'm not just like some knucklehead in my backyard. It doesn't look like that on Instagram. Um, um, uh, so I got to perform at the Old Time Barbell

and Strongman Association dinner. That was kind of a career highlight for Strongman performance. Because I got to do one of the last live performances that Slim Farman ever did. I got to perform on the same day as him. And that's a room where, okay, that's like us sitting here talking.

That's knowledgeable people in strength and strength history. That's performing for people who know what they're looking at, not the average crowd who kind of gets it, but they don't get it. Yeah, that makes sense. That kind of thing. Performing with, well, Dennis Rogers and Slim Farman was a big thing. Also performing, looking back on now, the times I got to perform with my son was a big thing. The stuff I got to do with him and watching him kind of grow into the just monster, monster strong man that he was, was pretty phenomenal. I got to take him to the University of Texas at Austin Physical Culture Museum.

Yeah, I've been there before. Very cool. Yeah, which is amazing. And so in front of Jan and Terry, Todd, if you don't know who they are, you've got to look up the strength history. Terry Todd was the first senior national powerlifting champion ever. And unfortunately, he recently passed away. But him and his wife have built literally the museum of physical culture. Like it's miles of books. That's everything 1500s up that's anything to do with strength of any kind

is there and uh no event a bunch of steel for them and it's now sitting in the museum which is a real that's really cool kind of a thing that that's pretty cool that's pretty cool. That's really cool. Yeah. So you have also done, if no one's, if someone's not familiar with you and they hop on your Instagram, they're just going to see all types of just crazy stuff of you, uh, picking up stones, throwing weights around, walking with a yoke, doing the splits, shooting a quarter out of the air with air, air with a, with a bow and arrow, holding a 400-pound rock and throwing a hatchet at a board. Yeah, like where do you,

is it like every day, so like I just want to come up with something new to challenge myself, or where does that drive come from? Yeah, do you have, you know, a power lifter has a program mapped out for say the next eight weeks, and they're squatting on Monday,

you know, five by five, et cetera, et cetera. Does yours say Tuesday is- Hit quarter out of sky right right right okay so it's a it's a tad less structured than that yeah but it is more structured than it looks okay because you know social media only gives you the little snippets of what's going on and you got to remember i'm going to just post the most interesting stuff that I do. I'm not going to put, you know, now that doesn't mean I don't also post when I fail. I post that occasionally too. And that kind of thing, because let's be real about things. You know, some of these things are not easy to do. You don't walk up and do it the first time. Um, but there's a lot more structure to it than it looks like. So in the reality of my real programming,

I use about a seven to 10, sometimes 14 day cycle. But what I try to get within those is something that touches every significant piece of what I think human performance is about. Okay. So once every seven to 10 days, I'm going to do some kind of squat, some kind of a pulling movement, some kind of a upper back pulling movement and some kind of upper body pushing movement. Now I tend to pick my favorite stuff, my favorite style of those. And for my money, I don't care what kind of, like if you squat, I don't care what kind of squat you do. That's cool. If you pull, I don't care what kind of pull you do. That's cool. If you row or chin, awesome. If you press, I don't care if it's bench press. I have my favorites that pay the bills for me,

considering the kind of physical performance I want to do and some things I don't do anymore because of past injuries. I constantly get the question, how much do you bench press? I don't bench press anymore, only because non-bench press, well, one was a very slight flight, a pec tear from bench pressing. And then also another one was from a grappling injury. And so if I bench today, I don't intend to compete in powerlifting again, even though I competed for 15 years. I don't intend to compete in that anymore, so I don't barbell bench.

I dumbbell bench. And then I do my real heavy upper body work is generally one-arm pressing, sometimes two, depending on what I'm doing. And I have a favorite of each of those moves. I tend to do Anderson squats. I'll do generally stiff-leg deadlifts, once in a while regular deadlifts or rack pull type stuff. Or I tend to switch back and forth between lifting stones versus deadlifting because I feel like it's kind of the same uh type of physical point you know what i'm saying or your lower back is getting smoked you know one way or the other so for me as far as how i do that i tend to rotate those back and forth i tend to do your you know so i chest supported rows or sometimes a lot of

one-arm rows those are really my favorite upper back um and i tend to work and throw in an ab movement and throw in some kind of a moving, loaded carry, strong manage type thing. But here's the thing. When you look at the wide variety of what I'm doing,

what I'm trying to do is get the most bang for my buck. So I generally do a warm up and one to two heavy sets often for the only one to two reps

of those types of things. Now maybe, depending on what I'm doing, I may throw in a higher rep set. But within that seven to 10 to 14 to day cycle, I'm going to get one time where I'm going to hit all of those for a reasonably max, max for the day, max for the week, whatever. Now I'm not necessarily trying to push unless I'm just hammering that one lift. Um, I'm going to go

into a range where I know I'm in the 90 plus percent range of that on a regular all the time. where I know I'm in the 90 plus percent range of that on a regular all the time. So in that way, some of what I do is similar to conjugate training. And for this reason, I don't really like percentages the way that they're normally done. I don't, okay, I don't want to live my life that way. And the strong men of the old time couldn't live their life that way. You couldn't say, all right, I got to perform this week, but I can only do 50. I can only do five sets of five with% to 60% of what I'm doing.

So the crowd's going to have to watch me do 60% of my feet versus 100%. You see what I mean? That doesn't pay the bills that way. And also, I don't like the idea of that in real life. One of the changing moments for me was when I was first starting powerlifting and I was doing some geared lifting and belt and suit and knee wraps and all that stuff. And one of the first guys i ever lifted weights with just like when i was like 13 14 years old said you know that's cool and all he's like but like personally for me like if the car falls on my kid i don't want to have to say hey i got

to run in the house and put on a belt and a suit and pick it up but you see what i mean like those things that you know i want to be able to go anytime of day anytime of night and be reasonably close to the max of what i can do for strength, for endurance, for accuracy, for creativity, for any kind of strength. So not just, like I said, maybe a barbell curl, but picking stone or picking something up and carrying it or all of those kinds of strengths. I'm going to hammer something in those areas, very heavy for one to two sets once during that time. Now, sometimes I do it like, you know, all on one day, might do the whole body, or I might just break it up as I feel like during the day. I try to get a max heart rate almost every day of the week. So like maybe a short, intense cardio, maybe five, 10 minutes.

Often some of that lifting looks like that. So for instance, I'll do, some of that lifting looks like that. So for instance, I'll do, all right, so one of my favorite really short routines is to pick one heavy lift, start with say 25%, then go to 30 or 40 and then 50 or 60 and then 70 or 80 and then 90% over a four or five sets.

But between that, I'll punch a heavy bag for like 60 seconds. So the whole lifting thing is going to take like seven minutes total. You see what I mean? But I want to be at max heart rate. So I want to be at like, okay, I want to squat 700 pounds, but I want to do it when I'm already breathing hard,

already breathing heavy, that kind of thing. Um, I try to get some, some short intense cardio, very regular, very regularly, three or four days a week,

one to one day a week or one to two, depending, maybe once every two to 10 days, uh, twice every 10 days, I try to get a long cardio session. Now, sometimes that,

uh, like I might, I might go pull a sled, either walking for an hour, or I might actually sprint off and on, like run, walk, run, walk, run, walk for an hour. Um, or a lot of times we'll take a light dumbbell, say a 40 or 50, and I'll do a thousand reps over a 30 minute period. And I'll switch back and forth between snatches, swings, presses, rows, uh, curls, laterals, or whatever. And I'm wondering, I to do like 110 different exercises and try to do it as nonstop as possible.

Because I want to get that, I want to, personally for me, I don't think you pay the bills party a lot unless you can sustain a high heart rate for 30 to 60 minutes. Right. I don't think that, that's where the real health benefits for me came in as far as, you know, okay, so I'm not lean, I'll never be lean because I'm too much of a wild man for that. Plus I grew up as a kind of a fat kid. So that's like, that's how the cars for me came in as far as you know okay so i'm not lean i'll never be lean because i'm too much of a wild man for that plus i grew up as a kind of a fat kid so that that's like that's out of the cards for me i you know i gained up over a 16 year period i went from 230 to 385

so i could squat a thousand pounds and i drop over 100 pounds and so i hang out in that 285 295 area right now um and and honest to god i like cheeseburgers and bourbon too much to ever eat that's just the truth but real cardio made a huge difference in how I'm able to train and how I'm able to recover and I don't really get much sore and I did that by doing like a thousand reps sets of kettlebell swings and still went for like an hour

of those non-stop or as non-stop as possible and in doing that it changed my entire perspective on what's possible like you know the old power lifter adage was well if anything over five reps is cardio and you know you if cardio will take away from your strength not if you get good at it it won't not and it'll massively add to your life and the fact that you made it you know probably won't have sleep at you and you will definitely be able to like play with your kids and like you won't be the guy who could squat 900 pounds and then get, you know, winded on the way to the mailbox

and pull the hamstring putting gas in the car. You see what I mean? Like, there's a durability of that kind of cardio that makes a huge difference in vitality of life. Like, okay, a lot of us are massively muscled and huge lifters, and we hit our 40s and we have the same stupid problems that couch potatoes have because we're, you know, we're super strong, but we don't really, really take care of ourselves.

Well, when you can keep that heart rate at 150 for about an hour, you, you, you can talk about, you know, now, now I feel like doing things and, you know, you know, like the wife has to keep a tager and keep me away from her. You know what I'm saying? That kind of stuff. I want to be that guy. I want to be the guy, you know, what I actually want to be the guy who, you know, died at 90 jumping over Caesar's palace.

It's not a fountain at Caesar's palace on Harley, but that's a different story. So, okay. You, you did just, uh, you mentioned this quickly there. You have squatted a thousand pounds, which that's something very few people can say that they've ever done. And with someone with, with your type of credentials and the type of things you've done, what, what do you consider the most difficult strength of feet you've ever performed?

Oh, wow. Dude, that's, you know, I almost have to classify that in like different, different veins of feet. If that makes sense, you know what I'm saying? Like some feet are okay. Like how do you classify that? like different um different planes of feet if that makes sense you know what

i'm saying like some feet are okay like how do you classify that so that squat took me 16 years to get so when you look at that from you got to stay on task and go back to it regularly and keep hammering that one thing from 14 years old when i first started powerlifting to 30 years old when i actually did it took me 16 years to get from a 225 squat the first day I walked in the gym to a thousand pounds. Um, so that, that's one of the most difficult feats as far as the longterm of the training of the whole thing. Um, let's see. I did a walk one time with 300-pound weighted vest, which was really this weird conglomeration of a weighted vest and a bunch of chains wrapped around and tied to that until I got it up to 300 pounds. Yeah, because it's not like they make one. You can't go to Walmart and buy, I'd like a 300-pound.

I was thinking, I didn't know they made those yeah they did not they make a junkyard conglomeration of like literally it took my son like 20 minutes to wrap me in chain and like tie him on to keep it whatever but that was one of the most horrible and difficult needs some strength maybe one of the hardest because you can't take it off so that took me like nearly an hour to get like a mile oh i get a mile walk that like i had to rest against things occasionally and i sat down a few times or whatever to actually get a full mile but like you said the weight is not it's not weight you're holding in your hands you can't drop it for even a second it's still on you no matter what even if you sit even if you sit it's still on you're still breathing against it like literally i i like just staggered up to the back steps of my house and they had to cut them

though like we tied wrapped the chains around and just took little cords and tied them together so they wouldn't fall off so they cut it all off of me and like literally had to lift it off me i couldn't get it off and i lit it like there's a picture of me with a pile of chains laying on my kitchen floor and me laying next to the chain like i'm good like it's that kind of that kind of horrible i mean as far as that kind of thing um i don't know you know it's hard to say i i uh recently did i i think this is i think this is one of my better feats one of my couple are really really better feats and probably pretty hard um although it not it wasn't as hard as i thought it was definitely hard don't get me wrong cardio wise but it's not

as hard as i thought it would be i i pulled a semi truck okay so i put a 700 pound yoke on my back and then picked the yoke up and walked while pulling the semi truck and trailer yep that's just gotta be so awkward that was pretty rowdy. That was pretty, like, it's a weird thing in that really what it requires is this ridiculous torso strength. Right. Because you can't really lean. Okay, when you pull a truck like that, you have to lean in. You can't really lean. Now, because it's 300 pounds of me and 700 pounds of that, like, the pure mass of the thing will let me keep pulling while i don't i can't lean it kind

of counterbalances you see what i mean like but it counterbalances in that like there's down pressure and back pressure so you have to keep your torso stable enough to keep that weight off the ground and not not fall with it that way but you also got to keep your torso tight enough that you can translate all that pressure forward without having to lean, which is crazy. Like you can't lean your toes. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. That was, that was pretty I've done a 700 pound yoke and carry and pull the truck before and i literally can't imagine how you could do them at the same time that's crazy yeah it's uh you know what and that's and that okay so that kind of plays for the question you asked me earlier like do you program this stuff if you were to really

be able to look at my training over the last several years you would see a consistent build up toward wilder and wilder and wilder things like um okay so like the shooting the quarter out of an air started with out of the air with a bow and i've actually hit a quarter in the air with actually about 15 different things i've literally i've hitbell uh a hammer a wrench a chain uh shot put uh sporting clay uh i'm sure i'm forgetting for i'm literally okay see what i mean like so what i'm doing is i'll take a particular feet and then once i kind of build on the basis of a particular feat, I'll start adding twists and adding ways to do it, and if I can do it forward, can I do it backward?

Okay, so the truck thing started that way. I'm like, I just had this idea. Can I pull a truck and do the end with the yoke at the same time, and then I did it forward? Well, then the next day I did it backward. Walk backward with the yoke, pull in with the truck, just so you see what I mean, and then I experimented with a space where I pulled a truck while carrying a rock, and I pulled the truck while carrying a rock and I pulled the truck while holding the

dumbbell overhead. And, um, uh, and then I pulled, see what I mean? I pulled it. If I can pull it forward, can I pull it backward? And if I can do that, can I pull it longer? Or can I, can I pull it and throw something at the same time? Or if I can throw something at something big, can I hit something smaller and smaller and smaller? Or can I hit it from further away? Or can I hit it while it's moving? Or can I hit, you see what I what I mean like there's a it's all progression of each of those skills and then it's all combinations of skills like okay can I hold this 200 pound log on my shoulder while I throw a burning target in the air and hit it with an axe yes I can and I and if I can do that then where's the next you know what I mean like it is it's it looks bizarre it looks like I just literally go out and like take some LSD and like just make up the craziest thing from day to day.

But really, if you were able to look at the entire backlog of things, and I want to say that because people are going to say, you know, oh, this guy is just really freakishly phenomenally gifted. Okay. Yeah, in some ways. But everybody's got gifts and everybody's got drawbacks. And a lot of the things I do today, I was not good at the first day I walked in the door. So, like, endurance was horrible for me to develop. Horrible, horrible. It was the worst thing ever.

You know, most 300-pound guys, it's just the most horrible thing ever. And because of the car accidents and stuff I had, I just literally, like, woke up as a fat kid out of body cast as a kid. And, like, my endurance was just gone, which is horrible. I was pretty strong, but I didn't't have that so i had to learn that i had learned to run better and i had to learn the flexibility wasn't natural to start with and accuracy was terrible to start with and i said that to say progressive building of these blocks allows you to do some amazing things if you just don't quit like that's one of the big messages i try to give to the average person and also amongst us as well let's turn one of the big messages I try to give to the average person. And also amongst us,

let's say one of the things I talk about is we all think we're bad to the bone. I'm pretty tested. You know what I'm saying? We all think we're stupid tough about absolutely everything and I can lift this, therefore I can lift that. No, not necessarily, Skipper.

And I'll tell you what taught me some of those lessons okay is like you okay so i did a little fighting i did some martial arts i did some i just sort of got in taekwondo as a kid for rehab after car accident but later on i pick it up again in my adult life and in the early days of the ufc and and if you can't tell by now i'm one of those guys who like see something as a challenge and be like yep i gotta do that and then in my watch that's the most dangerous thing I ever say is let me ask you a question. Like that's, if I ask that, that means I've already thought through.

I'm about to try this thing. So usually that brings up with something on fire or bleeding or whatever, but it is what it is. So I, we all think we're tough. Okay. And you can be the biggest, baddest, strongest guy on the planet. And if you don't know what you're doing as a fighter, you'll be dangerous for about 60 seconds. And then you're really, really, really not dangerous at all because you won't know how to protect yourself.

You won't know how to relax. You won't know how to—see what I mean? There are so many things we think we have skill. And one of the reasons you see me do such a wide variety of things is I want to find out what I really, really can do. I don't want to subjectively think, okay, can lift this i can lift that because if you've ever done this okay we'll probably all know some guys who are really good stone lifters who aren't great barbell deadlifters and same and the really great barbell deadlifters who aren't great stone lifters yep and they do play and help each other but until you try one or the other you may not

you don't know that you see what i, you don't know how good you are. The flip side of that is you can, when you know you have a deficiency, it's something you can get much better at it. And you can do some amazing stuff with it. Like I'm doing stuff today. If you'd asked me 10, 20 years ago, I would have thought nobody, you know, that's not possible or you can't, you know, unless you're just a freak gifted at something.

But it really is. If you just learn to train and learn to give yourself time to practice and play with it and have fun with things and you know and your wife doesn't throw you out the back yard on fire that's what i was going to say one of my personal favorite things you've ever done is you you were doing an extremely heavy yoke walk you might remember the weight of it and it sticks out to me so much because you're of course wearing the massonomics blue lift shirt while you're doing it and it was flaming and by the you know it starts off i think maybe you had to make a couple runs that because it was an extremely heavy yoke i can't remember how much it was but by the end of it it just got well your entire yard

was flaming yeah yeah the yoke was a thousand pounds but the really hard part is that okay so i had a thousand pounds on the yoke but i was actually dragging at 150 pound tires right that's what it was yes which is what was just killing me it was murdering like it was it made me take several trips and just for the visual fun of the whole thing i had with the yoke on fire yeah well it also happened to be during a pretty dry moment. The whole yard was black. Dripping off the end of the yoke. And by the end of this, like when the video is all sped up together and I've gotten like three or four attempts it takes to get the yoke as far as I wanted to go.

Yeah, it literally looks like I lit the whole world. I'm like, oh, the yard's black. The scorched earth. Yeah, I remember when you filmed that video, Tanner's like, oh, you got to see this. And like, we're like, oh, that's crazy. Like, no, wait. And then it just kept like more and more fire. Yeah.

Yeah. Cause the fire is like just exponentially gets like stupid. It hurts to be like, geez, what did he do? And it just happened to be like, it was a perfect storm of like dry grass and like dripping fire off that thing. And it took me a second to get, cause I'd have to hit the yoke and get a few feet and just go again, hit the yoke and get a few feet and go go again hit the yoke and get a few feet and go again and dragging that tire was just murdering me with a yoke that heavy

and well it was a great video yeah it was a great video we love it like there's no way we're going to get to everything we wanted to talk to you about we might have to have you on again but there was one other thing I was going to mention you were on did

have a scene on america's got cat got talent i don't know if we ever mentioned that when you're that's worth noting we got to say that and then also what the one thing i was wondering is is there a competition that would ever come up that would pique your interest enough to beat like say it was some strongman competition could you ever see yourself doing something like that or do you just not really have interest in that would you rather um you know you know okay so for me competition is a little bit like you know you've been around somebody who played football for a long time and like they always feel like man i'd like to go back and try one more season kind of a you know what i'm saying like occasionally it crosses

my mind to do a powerlifting competition or to do a strongman competition or whatever but like honest to god the last few ones I did I was so wrapped up with life and the other stuff I was doing like okay I went to the WNTF world championships on like two weeks notice

and the last strongman I did I found out about it a week before and just went and did it i just didn't um i i it does it does it but honestly i'm so wrapped up in competing against myself and breaking my own and and in breaking ground on what's possible like i've got ideas of things that are combined and more, a more normal competitive element of what other people do as sports, but like combine them in into multiple things wrapped up in one day. Like, um,

I have ideas about like doing a super heavy lift and in a much more conventional way than I normally do it. And then adding a marathon to it or adding like a, a rowing or rowing of 26 miles or riding a bike 100 miles or something like that. I mean, like something along the lines of that. I have an idea. Nobody's ever done this that I know of. It should be 50 feet of strength in one day, which would be pretty crazy.

And then I actually have another crazy idea that a really, really nutcase when I'm up, this is the next one I really want to pull off is I want to hold a motorcycle ramp off. Somebody jumps a motorcycle. That, that one has the shock factor to it. Yeah. Yeah.

For me, I don't know. It has to be, I mean, as far as just regular competition competition, I don't know. Plus I honestly don't know. It'd have to be, I mean, as far as just regular competition, competition, I don't know. Plus, I honestly don't know that I would want to, okay, step back and specialize long enough to really, you know what I'm saying? Like, to really go, maybe.

You know, that's one of those things where you never know. And, you know, if something really hammers my interest and I'll, like, I get these ideas in the back of my head and they just won't go away. Well, if that happens, then you'll see me do something or do, um, whatever. I, it probably would be a good thing from business wise for me, just because so many of the people who know me today, they always ask me that question. Why don't you compete in power? Why don't you compete strong, man? Um, I did that already, but it's just happened because it happened before the internet, because

like, you're not old enough to know prior to the internet when like, you know, you couldn't just access information and things had to get, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like that. But I got, you know, I'm 46. I was competing at 14 years old. That's 32 years ago. And then competed. And I did the early, early strongman contest.

I did one of the first strongman contests in America post to when the original world's strongest man fell apart and moved to Europe and then when they first started to revive it and when I like I was the first state chairman for NASS in Florida and you know so like most of the kids today are like man you should compete I'm like dude I did but it's before you know it's back when the hieroglyphics were going on and you have to like speak to your neighbors in person and like you could you know um okay so the america's got talent thing that actually is kind of funny um i think it's funny anyway but and actually that's probably a good one that's a signature feat for me the feat that got featured on on that um but what happened was this like

america's got talent should call my buddy, Dennis Rogers, and Dennis is the most successful professional performing strongman ever. Like, he's done more appearances than anybody,

he's been on TV more than anybody he had. He's the perfect storm of, like, doesn't look like a strongman and can do psychotic stuff. Like, he got famous for holding,

he was 128 pounds and held back, like, two T-34 military trainer planes at the same time. He was a world arm wrestling champion. He's just a phenomenal, phenomenal guy. And that was his major adult career as a performing strongman. And anyway, they called him, but he was actually trying to get ready to retire.

He's like, I don't know if I'm going to do this. And it doesn't pay. It doesn't help me. I've already done. It's not going to do anything for me. And the reality is, okay, there's been a couple of strong men on, but you can't win. You can't, I can't, you know, nobody's going to pay. Like I love our sport, but like, let's be real.

Like we're always going to be a little bit barstool backyard kind of a, that's just the truth. We're not going to, you know, we're never going to supplant the NFL. It's not going to happen. We're not going to, but we're going to stop watching Celine Dion so we can watch a guy lift a stone. It's not, well, one of us, but normal people ain't going to turn off, you know, mainstream entertainment to hang out with us. But at the time I was also doing, you know,

kind of at the end of my doing some anti-bullying stuff and it could be good for us. I'm like, I'll give it a shot. And so they called me in and, and it's kind of a formality. If like, if they call you, it's a formality as far as like getting past the interview process, but you have to go and just show them anyway. So I went and did that. And then they went to the live thing in LA and the whole thing is a way different thing than you think it is. It's, it's, you know,

you got to remember this is a TV show, not a competition really. Right. So they're picking and choosing who they want and they're moving things along as they, as they want or whatever. So I spent three days in L.A., did the live show, did perform on the live show, got four unanimous yes votes, including Simon Cowell. Oh, and had a whole and had an entire. Yeah. And had an entire rapport with him, which was hilarious, actually, on the on the on the playback of it which i wish they had shown back because okay so he's the one who actually spoke to me the most during the whole interview process and um and i i spoke and okay i'm southern boy i call everybody sir so i answered and said yes sir

and this guy you know he's like dude don't call me sir and like i can't stop it dude you understand like i'm not i'm not calling you, sir, because I particularly respect you. I'm calling you, sir, because I have 30 years of my mother and father saying, you will address everybody as sir, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. You know, I'm like, and I'm like, and like, he said, okay, don't call me, sir. I said, yes, sir. And it kind of became this little running joke back and forth. He's like, and I literally explained that to him i said listen man you gotta understand this

is something i can't turn off this is my mother will call me if i didn't say yes sir he's like don't worry dude i'll talk to your mom just don't call me but anyway i got four unanimous yeses and got edited out of the show because they reserve okay you gotta remember they they put 50 of the show because they reserve. Okay. Yeah. Remember they, they put 50% of the spots for acts that they think actually could go to Vegas.

And then they put 50% of the spots for idiots who don't have any, who don't know that they shouldn't be there. Right. That's part of the show. Yeah. That's a big part of their show is booking terrible stuff. Right. So people will laugh at it or so people will,

you know, we'll think it's crazy or they'll have something to do. So I didn't get on. And I, and so I, and okay, I quit watching the show. Like I watched it,

but they don't tell you, they don't even, they don't tell you, don't tell anybody what's going on. And so the episode I should have been in, I wasn't on. So I just didn't watch the rest of the season. Well,

at the very end of the season, I got like six phone calls. It's the finale of the show. And they're like, dude, you're on show. You're on TV. I'm like, what are you talking about? You're like, you're on a movie. What are you talking about? We'll go back and I,

we missed it. I wouldn't even know. I go back and look it up. And the feet I did is I got four of the judges. I got Nick cannon and three of the judges, Heidi Klum, Mel B and, and, um, um, Allen Mandel. I put a bar on my shoulders, and I got all four of them to grab the bar, and I picked all four of them up at the same time and spun around with them. So with their body weights and the bar,

it was 600 pounds, and I spun around with them about three or four times and put them down as part of the show. And they pulled off a two-second clip and replayed it a couple of times as part of Nick Cannon's wildest moments of the year. And the whole thing. Now, Mel B just about busted my eardrum.

Because the way I had it set is she was to my left and Heidi Klum was to my right. And then on the outside was Nick Cannon and on the outside was Allie Mandel because that kind of balances things. The guys are about the same body weight, put them on the outside. The girl puts are about the same body weight put them on the outside the girl puts in about 10 body weight on the inside and but when I picked him up and started to spin you know you remember she's a professional vocalist well she's

about six inches from my ear yeah and she screamed and I'm telling you like like straight up like for like 30 seconds could not hear out of my left ear. Because, like, it was insane. It was just a wild experience where, you know, you go and meet all these people. And, like, Heidi Klum was super freaking cool. Like, super almost normal-ish. Like, I didn't even. And, like, I'm not real celebrity-ish. So, I didn't hardly even.

Like, I walked by her and didn't even know her. But it was cool. It was one of those things. real celebrity-ish, so I didn't hardly even, like, I walked by her and didn't even know her. And, but it was cool. It was one of those things and one of those, you know, kind of little TV moments that you, you know, is a bizarre afterthought in the life that I'm living. But, uh,

a fun little thing, so. All right, Bud, we have this game we like to play with every guest that we have on. It's called overrated or underrated. And I don't know if you're familiar with it, but we've got a small series of topics that we handpick for you. And we'll go through them. And you just got to decide if they're overrated or underrated. And you can elaborate on that as much as you want to.

Or you can just give a straight answer. Whatever you want to do, you answer it however you want to, but you do have to decide overrated or underrated. You don't get to ride the line in between. So that's where it gets challenging sometimes. Okay. Okay. So if you're ready here, topic number one, overrated or underrated, and this is for the man that lives an unconventional life, an unconventional lifestyle. The topic is conventional deadlifts. Overrated. Only because you need to find the deadlift

that fits your body type. So I would rather you deadlift, like it was kind of like I said before, it doesn't really matter so much which press you do. If you do, if you build up to a big one-arm press or two-arm barbell press or bench press or incline press or dips, you're still going to have a big, powerful upper body. If you do stiff-legged deadlifts or rack pulls or stone lifts or conventional deadlifts or sumo deadlifts, if you get up to a big pull and you do the one that fits your body best, you're still going to be as muscular as possible.

If you get up to a big pull and you do the one that fits your body best, you're still going to be as muscular as possible. And I have a real issue with people saying, you have to do this lift this way. There are hundreds of body types. And sometimes what they do is they confine people to, you've got to do this lift. If you're not doing this lift, you're doing it the wrong way. You're evil. You're an infidel. Your taxes are going to go up.

Your neighbors are going to hate you. And what they do is just take people with a movement that actually hurts them when they could get the same benefit out of a similar movement that worked in a better range of motion or a better leverage for that particular person and get the same muscular benefit in the real world without the damage. For my money, for that particular way of looking at it, that's overrated. All right. That's good. Yeah. That all makes sense to me. Yeah. damage. For my money, for that particular way of looking at it, that's overrated. All right. That's good. Yeah. That all makes sense to me. Yeah. Topic number two, overrated or underrated training outdoors. Underrated. Bizarrely underrated. And then you guys knew that. I was going to answer that. I kind of figured that one would be that way.

Yeah, that's well hanging fruit, bro. That's not even, you know, I love it. I absolutely love it. I'll tell you why. You're breathing better air. I think we don't spend near enough time as humans outside. We're not free enough to move. And, like, for me, dude, you know, nobody's going to let me go into Globo Gym and light it on fire while I throw stuff in. I think there's actually science about that as far as like the air and the sunshine and the, the grounding,

like you see people seem to be training barefoot all the time. And they give me crap about it all the time. Cause camera angles always makes it look like I dropped things like next to my toe. I'm much, much smarter than that. I promise. I'm an absolute wild man.

Don't get me wrong. I will do some reckless things, but I'm not stupid about where I put my feet or where I drop things. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm paying attention. I do think there's legitimate science to that, actually, though, to being barefoot and the grounding. I also think you're so much better off to react to the elements of heat, cold, wet, dry, uneven ground, as far as strengthening the feet and that kind of thing, as far as just general body and livelihood toughness

and, like, an actual vital type humanity. i think we're much better off to train outside but at least as much as is you know conveniently possible yeah awesome okay topic number three this is something that you do and and we it's a topic because not only because that you do it but it's also become recently much more extremely popular amongst the general population. So overrated or underrated hatchet throwing? Hatchet throwing? Yeah, hatchet throwing. I would actually probably ride the line on this one, but I'm going to say it's underrated.

Now, I would have rid written the line because I think throwing itself is underrated. I think it's a very primal skill, and because action hatchet throwing has become popular, it's an easy way for us to reaccess those roots as humans. You know, being able to throw things, being able to shoot things, we wouldn't be alive today. We wouldn't have survived the time period of, you know, actually living with wild animals and that kind of thing, or warring tribes if we didn't be alive today. We wouldn't have survived the time period of actually living with wild animals and that kind of thing or warring tribes if we didn't have that skill. I think it affects areas of our brain that we don't do. And flowing, whether light or heavy, is actually one of the best speed training and accuracy training movements that you can do,

which, okay, that's numeral pathways for most people. That's brain activation. That's muscular activation in a very different way. Um, plus it's just freaking fun, dude. I'm sorry, but like, you know, like there's just something manly about, you know, growing your beard, drinking a beer and throwing it out and stuff. It just, it just is. I mean, that's just, and we're lacking in that for sure. So yeah, it's underrated. All right. Good. Okay. Your last topic for overrated, underrated.

We know you're a Florida man and you do a lot of different athletic feats it's question questionable whether this particular thing is uh athletic or not it's it's a little ways down the road from you in florida but overrated or underrated the daytona 500 um again i would ride the line i straight would only because like i don't like i have a close friend who races cars but he races small track and that's actually awesome for me personally daytona is a little overrated um but now that's living in florida okay so like i, I like, okay. Like Daytona, the city is cool, but it's not, it's not the beach. I would choose to hang out at. Um, and I'm not 20.

So I'm not looking for, you know, spring break girls and that kind of thing. Um, the, uh, the race itself is awesome. Don't get me wrong. Um, uh, but for me, I, okay. I actually have a really good attention span like I wrote one of my second or third books I wrote it in one day and that was a full hammered day like that was

what we did so I actually have a good attention span however cars in a circle for that long a period of time will probably have me looking for step to light and fire so it's not you see what I mean? Maybe that one's a little underrated. However, car racing itself or racing of any type, like that's another thing for me that

over the period of life, I'm okay. I want to be able to lift everything there is to lift, do every major movement type, agility, endurance type thing. I want to be able to throw and accurate at absolutely everything. I kind of want to be able to be the guy who could survive anything, too. So I want to be able to ride anything with air or drive anything with wheels. You know what I mean? Those things actually make a lot of sense to me.

And small track and four-wheeler, we play around and race four-wheeler and dirt bikes on my property. That's all kinds of fun. But for me, NASCAR is wonderful. That particular thing is a little too long. So for me, that's a touch of fun. But for me, NASCAR is wonderful. That particular thing is a little too long. So for me, that's a touch overrated. Okay.

I think that's a really good answer. I think that's great. Yep. Bud, that kind of brings us, I wouldn't say to the end of everything we want to know, because we could probably talk to you for like three more hours here. I don't know if we hardly,

we hardly brush the surface on some of the questions we were even going to ask you but we set it up for a sequel right right yes we said we set it up good for a sequel come back and that's what you know i'm sure there's a i'm sure there's a million more questions and i'll probably do something next week i'll give you a question you'll be like oh and and so so i we know you you've got a website and stuff just wondering for for people that maybe are listening that are new to you or haven't found you before, you're on Instagram website, where would you want people to look you up or find you? Okay, two websites. My personal website is an unconventionallife.com. That's with one L.

Okay, so an unconventional instead of two L's for life is onelife.com. That is my basic website. That's got my books and videos and all that stuff. And then our showy website, which is really what I care about you going through, even if you hate me for any other reason, I'd prefer you go there. That's NoahsArmyFoundation.com. And perhaps I can never remember if that's.com or.org because I've been hitting the head too many times. So Noahs Army Foundation army foundation okay you can

find that google it that is much more important to me than anything else that we do um that's our charity that we do that supports police and fire and uh domestic against domestic violence and we just try to take care of as many people as possible and remember to our son um as far as finding me you know what? I hate this crap, okay? If you have a company like Massonomics, that's awesome. If you're just some private individual

and you call yourself Vegetable Boy, the awesome guy, or whatever, you have some made-up, stupid name, I hate that crap. I go by my name. So if you want to find me on Facebook, want to find me on Instagram, want to find me on TikTok, it's Bud Jeffries. It up stupid name. I hate that crap. I go by my name. So if you want to find me on Facebook or find me on Instagram or find me on TikTok,

it's Bud Jeffries. It's my name. Um, and you can find me in all those places and, uh, love to have, you know, new people or whatever.

And I try to interact as much as, as intelligent with the other business and stuff I think to do in life. And, um, if you want to find me, those are the easiest places to find any of my products, any of my stuff. And hopefully in the next year we'll be

doing more live stuff and live seminars and I might even have a few TV surprises and some other things and hopefully another whole year of wild beats of strength and pushing forward what humans can do

and having fun hanging out with dudes like you Awesome, we're definitely looking forward to that. One rapid fire question. Is Bud your real name? No, it's not. You don't have to disclose it. I will. I don't care. I'm not that guy.

I'm not that guy. If you've got a problem with me, I'm easy to find. I'm not that guy. You're not going to do anything with me. My actual legitimate legal name is William. Okay. But literally, no one on the planet calls me William. Not my mother. Not any.

And not, and has not since I was able to like learn, like literally since I was a baby. They gave me that nickname because I had a grandfather on either side of my family that went by Bud. And they started calling me Bud. And I literally, all through high school, I didn't, I never wrote my legal name. My first bank account didn't have my legal name. That's good. I just, you know, my, my one government name is William.

All right. Well, thank you, William, for being on the show. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. If you call me and say that, I'd be like, who are you? If you call my mother and ask her, William, she won't, she'll be like, who are you talking to? All right. Well, we appreciate it. We'll stay in touch. All right, man. Thanks. When you want to do it again. We'll hang out and do some school stuff. I'll do a live feed.

I don't know how it would translate on the phone. I'll do a live feed on the phone. We'll figure something out. I'll talk you through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks, bud. All right. Thanks, guys.

Appreciate it. Have a good night. You too. Bud Jeffries. The one and only Bud William Jeffries. Well, maybe that was the that might have been the biggest revelation of what we learned today yeah but it's not his real name right right but man there is so much just like what we thought going yeah there's so many things

that you could uh it's kind of like it's kind of like the same thing with like donnie thompson it's like oh it feels like we just scratched the surface of what's even there right and especially if like we were in person and sitting at the same table right now, I mean, the podcast would be five hours long. Yeah. I think that means we're interviewing good people.

That's right. And that's how it goes. Yeah. Well that, if I gave, if I could give that a podcast two words, I would just say cool beans. Cool beans.

It was definitely cool beans. It was cool beans. Yeah, it was cool beans. All beans. It was definitely cool beans. It was cool beans. Yeah, it was cool beans. All right. Well, hopefully everyone enjoyed that interview with Bud. Learned something new. Got to see the impact he had on, actually, I think, countless people's lives, right?

Yeah, for sure. You know, talking about the seminars and all that stuff that he did, too. And you just listened to it in the episode. But, yeah, a lot of people so tanner i should probably read an ad huh yeah i think i think it's time to do it to a mad style this week this week's episode of the massonomics podcast is brought to you by the strength co the strength co and grant brogy over at the Strength Co. to be specific. Grant was born in the late 80s. So we know how the story goes. You know, you're a boy, you're born, you grow up, you get into Arnold Schwarzenegger, you want to get strong, stay strong, use your

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would you like to play a game yes is it stratego uh yahtzee it's risk this so we're gonna be on here for like 12 more hours people just listening to us roll dice is have you ever played settlers of katan i have played it a few times yes we have it and i've never played it and i don't know really what it is but is that a long game too um i heard it's fun. It's been several years. I think you can get a game done in less than an hour, I think. Is it Risk-ish? See, it's been so long since I played a game of Risk, like elementary school. And I'm sure being that young,

I probably wasn't playing it completely right either. But I've never actually finished a game of Risk either. I mean, I think there's parts to it like that. Risk is all about, you know, the countries on the and yeah you get so many soldiers in each country and you battle like there is kind of like a map to settlers of katan like yeah i don't know it's honestly been probably four or five years since i played it and i didn't play it much i had some roommates that were really into playing it so yeah i thought i remember i just always struggled a little bit with board games i shouldn't say i struggled just like you didn't if i'm trying to captivate you i'm trying to party i don't really want to sit and play a board game i

want to do party stuff what about the what about party games you know what about uh like the card games card like drinking party games those are a perfect fit yeah um or like like where you grab i don't know people don't have ice trays anymore but you'd have an ice tray i think it's called moose and there's something about like you had to like you're bouncing quarters into the ice tray or just quarters as a yeah that was always fun yeah there's a lot of drinking games that were just really fun and what was quarters was it like if you got doubled up if both quarters got to you yeah like both cups got to you before you could clear one right then yeah that's right that one we did a lot of, uh, uh, liar's dice. We played a lot of that.

And also there was one we call it the bowl game. I've played the bowl game at your house before. That one was one of the, there's not a lot of games that get people's attention and put them in suspense like the bowl game. Yeah. You should explain that actually. So you would, you just basically, what you do is it's like all the good drinking games. drinking games you know you're at a table you need to be sitting at a table with like eight to ten people yeah and all those eight to ten people are there to drink and so there's a uh a bowl you

put in the middle of the table typically just like a a regular like household cereal bowl you know your soup bowl something pretty standard like that and everyone pours a little bit of their beverage in the bowl in covid times this game might have a little bit of a different flair to it but i'll still explain everybody pours a little bit of their covet so yeah so uh what you would do is everyone would pour a little bit of their drink now if everyone's drinking light beers that's not a big deal but when some usually not everyone's always drinking this yeah there's there's someone that has got a schmear now yeah they got and someone's got a little mixy of some kind. There's a few different things. So now listen,

you have this, this cornucopia of beer and liquor happening in this bowl. Yeah. And depending on how crazy people want to be, it could be full to very different levels. It depends. You know, it's a dangerous game because it could be you,

the one having to drink it. So yeah. And that is the thing is that this bowl is going to get drank by by someone before the before the game's over or when the game is over so what happens is everyone puts their finger on the bowl so if there's if there's eight of us the starting number is eight yeah so i'm gonna count down from three three two one so someone is like it or well so you start with the one person starts the game yeah so everyone starts with their finger on the bowl and you count down from three so i say three two one and then right away i say a number okay and so as soon as i say one everyone at the same time has the option to take their finger off or leave it on yes it's totally up to you what you want to do and all i'm going to do is after i say one

i'm going to say a number that i think is going to be the number of fingers left on the ball so if i go right if i have my finger on the ball and I go three, two, one, five, and everyone pulls their fingers away and there's only one finger left, I stay on. But if I say three, two, one, six, and there's six fingers left, I get out, I'm done. I get to just sit and watch everyone else play. So now because I'm out, there's seven people left. So now there's seven fingers on the bowl and the next person goes three two one and they say their number whatever they think there's gonna be for fingers and you keep going around and around and around i believe some people call the game fingers um we learned it in minnesota is where is where i learned it but uh and i think maybe that's i don't know it seems to be more popular there but we called it the bowl game and

we had a lot of fun times playing that game together. Yeah. It is kind of a dirt, dirty, nasty little game. It is a dirty nest. Really? All the games kind of are most tricky games are.

Yeah. They kind of are. So she went, yeah, you're talking about around these quarters that fall over the, all over. And then, you know,

and things are falling on the floor. Actually beer pong, the classic one for, yeah, people quit playing that a lot that way a long time ago. I feel like, Oh yeah. Like I always, that's how I always played it is the dirt like yeah people started putting water in the cups didn't they but at that point it's not a it's not it really takes away from

the drinking aspect that's what made that the drinking game is you had to drink how what was ever in that cup yep because when you leave it and i get it it is really gross when you go to some of these house parties right and these balls are on the ground and then people are putting their fingers just the ball would go on the ground that in your cup and you got to drink it and people are putting their fingers in the cups and all that right so then it switches to water and then everyone just has their beer it's like oh drink but now it's like the honor system it is because there it is a much different game when you have this cup in your hand. You're like, you have to down this. And then, oh, wait, they just made another one.

Now you have to drink that one, too. Oh, they just made another one. Now you have, like, these three cups. And if you're playing with water in the cups, you're like, oh, yeah, here, I'll take a little drink. I just took a big drink on that one. And it's like, okay, yeah, it is. And there's definitely people that are playing it to drink. But a lot of people are just playing it because they want to play a game.

And, like, the drinking is not what they're there for. it to drink but a lot of people are just playing it because they want to play a game and like the drinking is yeah it depends on those games um how much you really want to drink and how much you want another classic one is tippy cup right cup is also like the ultimate we'd always do uh we'd play a lot of survivor tippy cup where you know it'd be like let's say you have a table with like a line of five people on each side yep and you know everyone goes once well if the team loses they have to vote someone off their team but they still have to match the number of cups that the other team has so like if one two let's say let's say if you start with five and five and the other team loses two well now they only have three people but they still have to drink five cups so that's where that tipping cup is a nasty game for the whatever the dwelling

is that you're being played by the end of tippy cup there's beer everywhere i feel like didn't we play it like the first mass yeah and it is it's the quickest way to make anything smell like it's the dirtiest old bar yeah because the amount of uh beer getting spilled or liquor getting spilled on the floor is is crazy it's funny that i'm on season enough that even just to like i'm like oh yeah beer pong i've just haven't even played beer pong. There used to be beer. There was beer pong tournaments.

It was really big for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Beer pong was a very big, like when I was in college, I think was prime beer pong. I think so too. But everyone played with beer in their cup, in the cups when I, like there was not, not until the very end where people starting to use water. I remember that switching over.

That's not really beer pong. I remember feeling like I saw that transition happen while I was in college. Yeah. From being, from like the time I entered college to the time I was like graduating, but still had friends in college, it had made a complete switch. I don't know if there was a party I went to for like four years where people weren't playing beer pong. Oh, no way.

Like that was what you went to a party and like in the basement, like, and it's not for some reason it was like 80% of the time is in someone's basement. They had always a table for beer pong. Kevin, I don't, you know, Kevin, remember, I don't know if you ever saw a picture of his beer pong table that his house had, but they had, they were big Keystone guys. Okay. So they, they drank enough Keystone to, they built a table, but it had like a, you know, they could set cans in it right so

they laid the cans down flat so one way you'd play the mountains were facing you this way and then the other way because they put plexiglass over the top of it and they painted the keystone mountains on the side like it was a pretty legit looking table yeah uh but some of them had the recessed holes where you could actually like set the cups in. Set the cup, yeah. Yeah. Oh, college drinking days. Yeah. Because if you made it in the same cup, did you have to send them back?

Yeah, if you made two in the same cup. Or if you just both made them. Wouldn't that be worth three? Yeah, if you both made them, then you got the balls back. But didn't you, if you both made them in the same cup, wasn't it worth three cups? Something like that. It's crazy that it's been this long since I played that. I can't remember how that goes.

Usually pretty drunk at the time. Yeah. There's always like the one guy that knows all the rules, so you don't really know about it. But we are going to play a game ourselves, though, Tanner. That's where this all started. Yeah.

And that game is Tanner Explains the Midwest. All right. Do you remember how to play this, Tanner? You have to use your wit and cunning to answer these questions. And my general midwestern your general midwestern knowledge it gets put to the test here uh first question tanner explain the phrase knee high by the fourth of july i am very well equipped to explain knee

high by the fourth of july knee high by the 4th of July is referring to corn. So great segue. This is also doubles as an agronomy segment here. Perfect. Talking about the height of the corn being up to your knees by the 4th of July which is actually a very antiquated saying. Like very antiquated. By the 4th of July

corn will be head high at this point in time. Or more even. Yeah. With the advances of, uh, seed technology, farming technology in general, like if your corn is only knee high by 4th of July, at least around here, that would be a very poor stand of corn generally. Like you're probably in trouble. Yeah. I mean, you're going to be collecting crop insurance likely at that point, if that's all that you've got, or maybe, maybe it was wet and you had to plant very late and you know, maybe there's hope but it's um not what you want i'll say that at least uh but that that was a marker at one point in time but it also in our area it

would be wouldn't be uncommon for 50 years ago for someone to raise like 50 bushel corn and that be considered good and now people will raise over 200 bushel corn so four times better oh it has changed that much yeah yeah it's literally four you know your yields are four x and also like corn the technology for farming corn has gotten a lot better but also just like the need for uh the market i'd say the market for cash sale sell corn being sold as a grain for cash that's not what the people were doing here 50 years ago they were only growing off corn oh that they needed for feed yeah right they weren't people weren't selling corn to grain elevators here 50 years ago okay like people were selling barley and wheat and i don't even like i don't know when soybeans really got popularized here but like it was like small grains so that

all has changed yeah so people didn't even really care about like it wasn't even a thing because you weren't selling corn like you are now like interesting yeah so that has completely changed but yeah uh i would say corn production is four to five times better than it was i'm saying 50 years ago that might like 60 years ago yeah so that's knee-high by the fourth of july okay very good very good what does the phrase a horse a piece mean a horse a piece also known as i also like to say six a one and half a dozen of the other is the it's the other version yeah uh horse a piece means yeah either one they're interchangeable it could be either way either or it's a horse a piece i i use it's a horse a piece

there's certain things i've started that i started using just because i thought they were funny and silly and i did it so much that that I now actually just use it. You're like, wait, what? Did I do that ironically? Or do I actually just talk that way? No, I just say that right now. I'll even do that with like wash. I'll say wash so much just to be stupid.

In our house, we do that all the time. And I think, yep, my child is going to grow up and think the proper way to say wash is wash. Because it's just such a stupid word. Where does that letter come from? I don't know that i grew up with you know no one in my immediate family or anything but i there was people that said warsh and i'm saying it ironically there was i always remember i can think of several people growing up their parents said warsh i never understood why i still don't understand why they did that i don't know where that comes from but yeah we do that same

thing we say we're on a wash of clothes we all the time and it makes no sense yeah gotta keep that language fun right yeah that is not a horse a piece you should horse is not it's a different animal yeah it's a different word that's been throwing a letter in a word that does not exist all right next question what is a hot dish oh a hot dish is uh is i don't know if it's casserole would be an interchangeable word for a hot dish or not. My follow-up question was going to be, and when do you use the term casserole? Okay. I don't use the term casserole for anything. I really don't use the term casserole.

Here's what I'm going to describe a hot dish as. It is a meal like a lunch or suppertime meal and a lot of times to me hot dish has a meat in it like ground beef would be the most common thing in a hot dish and then like noodles a lot of times yeah like it's kind of like a form of meat and noodles and it's hot and it's kind of can be kind of sloppy it doesn't have to be runny sloppy but it's kind of like a form of meat and noodles and it's hot and it's kind of can be kind of sloppy it doesn't have to be runny sloppy but it's kind of like you could when you put it on a if you have it on like a scoop in a less spatula or like a kind of a ladley spatula you could make it do it yeah it'd do like that like goulash goulash is interesting in itself because goulash if you're from the

czech republic has a is not what we consider goulash goulash in the traditional locally is like a hot dish of like hamburger and noodles and like i would agree that goulash is a hot dish but also like no but goulash is goulash so like it's a hot dish that has its own name right right um to me the classic hot tater tot hot dish, right? Hot dish, yeah, which is ground beef with green beans, corn. And tater tots. Yeah, and usually like cream of mushroom soup. That's kind of what makes the slop of it.

It's like the easiest thing to make. So damn good. It's so damn good. Do you put ketchup on a tater tot hot dish? I do not. I like ketchup on tater tot hot dish. Really, you do? Oh, yeah.

My roommate in college would eat it on peanut butter sandwiches. And he thought that that was how you were supposed to eat it. Like in between a sandwich? When we made tater tot hot dish, he would get a loaf of bread and peanut butter, and he would smear the peanut butter on the bread, and then he would take the tater tot hot dish and put it on, fold it like a sandwich, and eat it. And that was how he ate his hot dish.

I mean, I'm not saying that that would be bad. I wouldn't do it probably, but like, that's probably tastes fine. It doesn't really make sense though. No, it's already a hot, see the thing about, so what a hot dish is, more to this, it's like prison food. It's all mixed for you all.

Well, right. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm going to say. Like it is a meal in itself. It is an all encompassing meal. You don't. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm going to say. Like, it is a meal in itself. It is an all-encompassing meal. You don't really have to have a side with hot dish. Nope. Because it is the meal all in one.

It's actually kind of almost like what KFC was doing with their famous bowls. The famous bowls. It's kind of almost the fast food version of that. Yeah. Those were pretty good. It's like we just mixed it all together for you. And it's like a lot of people have ground beef around. Actually, you know, hamburger helper is kind of almost like the quick version.

Yeah, that's a hot dish for sure uh tater tots kind of the i mean it said especially the way that that it's named you know everyone says tater tot hot dish um but goulash is funny though like where i think real goulash is like stew is it yeah it's like it's not ground beef it's like chunks of like be you know like beef roll kind of problem what looks like chunks of like b you know like beef roll kind of probably what looks like tough beef and then you know like it looks like stew to me i think and i like ray i like our hot our uh goulash which is more like noodles a can of tomato sauce of some kind i actually love goulash to be more specific it's when my mom makes goulash that is probably my favorite meal it's in my top uh are we talking

like noodles tomato sauce hamburger corn green beans is that um no she doesn't put not she doesn't put green beans and uh in the goulash so did i miss any ingredients or was it no i think that's just a bit yeah wow see my wife likes to do with green beans she's okay and i'm pretty so so on it see and that's getting more hot that is making that's getting that's what turns something into a hot dish i think you throw a couple of those vegetables in their hot dish yeah okay so yeah for sure the hot dish is tater tot hot dish like that is yeah i want to the quintessential hot dish i gotta think that that's pretty well known in all parts of the country yeah i don't know how regional that is at all it just feels like that's too good of a thing to to be regional but yeah the one time

when i do think of like casserole would be like a like a chicken or a tuna casserole like i feel like you get chicken or tuna involved all of a sudden you're in the casserole line now well do you think casserole is sometimes not served hot? Is it? I mean, like, could something be a casserole and be cold? Oh, people do kind of almost like a salad type casserole thing. Right, because that's a distinction. Green bean casserole is actually the classic there.

Right, right. But that's warm, but that is on the side, green bean casserole. Right. I think casserole is a little, just in speaking of generalities, I think it could be a little less hearty sometimes. Yeah, it's probably a little lighter on the meat typically. Right, that's what I think, like lighter on the meat. And you mentioned, well, it could have tuna in it or chicken, lighter meats.

Yeah. And whereas hot dish, a lot of times I'm thinking beef. It almost has to be beef to be a hot dish. Right. Casserole. But I do think a casserole could be served cold and obviously in the name a hot dish could never it wouldn't be allowed that's not a hot dish it's not hot

well I'm glad we got to the bottom of that I feel like we really got something figured out there okay last question you could say this is for all the marbles Tanner I'm familiar with that concept what is the menards bag sale and why should i care ah yes the menards bag sale yeah if you're not midwestern you don't really know about menards other than maybe you've heard about us talk about it a few times it is uh

our midwestern version of lowes or home depot and it's funny because we do actually have lowe's at home depot we do we just don't have those in western northeast south dakota no but even like i don't know so maybe you have a feeling i don't really have a feel for what this is like when you like sioux falls has all three i think yep what do you like what do you think is the which of them does the most business in sioux falls like see i don't i don't know i don't know the answer either yeah but i i still i wouldn't be shocked if it's menards because menards has like this midwest like i think they're out of wisconsin aren't they yeah yeah it's eau claire wisconsin yeah i know as a

former employee. Acting like you don't know over here. You know, we're signing my checks for quite a few years. I was getting hundreds of dollars a month from them. Literally hundreds. I could do a whole episode just telling funny stories of the things I would do while I'm being paid by Menards. And they'd say, say oh tell us more uh the bag sale though is the the classic old uh brown paper grocery bag they have those like those that they don't even have those at walmart i don't i think those don't exist quick in paper as an option many, many years ago.

I think at our more local grocery stores, you can request to have paper. They still always put meat in paper. It's a little more insulated. All that insulation from the paper versus the plastic. Paper must be more expensive. I think it's way more expensive, yeah. But isn't it better like like environmentally it's got to be better right it's more recyclable

and probably i'm in a plastic bag i'm sure right you would think where are all those plastic bags in the ocean but like isn't it gonna get full i think that's the problem right now isn't it going to get full? I think that's the problem right now, isn't it? But like specifically those plastic bags. Imagine like the amount of those. God. I didn't realize when we went to Hawaii, they don't allow plastic bags there. We went, so this was what, three or four years ago now, I went for my honeymoon. We went to Walmart, stocked up on groceries. And they're like, yeah, we don't have bags.

So I didn't have anything to put them in. So there was some people there that had boxes that gave us boxes which hey yeah that their uh their livelihood depends way more on the ocean being good than ours to be um just frank i'm not the most like environmentally conscious person it's not like at the top of my mind but if they said uh we're gonna get rid of those plastic bags i'd be pretty understanding of that oh god yeah i'd be like yeah we probably should get rid of those yeah the more you think about it's like just these single use bags yeah they get used for like a total of five minutes and then they're straight in the garbage again yeah yeah uh but so the bag sale at menards they use the the classic brown uh paper bag and anything you can fit in the bag

is a certain percentage off i i'm for some reason i'm thinking it's 11 but they always have the 11 rebate yeah when my when i'm just brainwashed that everything from them is 11 when i brought up my research here uh all the bags that i was seeing had 15 okay 15 yeah and it makes sense that it has to be better than the 11 because Cause people that don't know Martinards also has a rebate that goes on basically three, at least 50% of the days of the year where it's 11% off anything in the form of a rebate. Yes.

In the form. So you have to mail in the rebate and you get the in-store credit rebate check back. And just to like show how ingrained that is in people. I typically, I live in a newer house so fortunately i don't have to do much for home improvement projects so my menards money i spend at menards on a monthly basis is pretty low when i go in and spend fifty dollars i'm not worried about filling out a rebate form for five dollars but my dad on the other hand who always has projects and lots going on, if we ever go to Menards together, oh, the rebates, I just photocopied off a big stack of those.

I have the forms ready to go whenever I need to. I can just pop it. It's like, yeah. My wife is a nosehound for the rebates. Actually, she has a whole scheme where she like collects them from everyone else like in gets their family and gets them all and like she submits them all and sometimes we'll have like hundreds of dollars of uh these rebates especially you got projects going on it can add up in a hurry yeah but we fit she fills them out on all like even if it's

one dollar and 69 cent rebate she'll fill it out because she's sending them all together but it's $1.69 rebate, she'll fill it out because she's sending them all together. But it's like, yeah, it doesn't, the postage of all the transaction doesn't even like add, like the postage that both parties are paying is probably more than what the rebate is at that. And the other funny thing is there's no online option. It's print only. You have to.

But they don't want to make it easy. No, they don't, yeah. But you have to print out this form or get the form manually write in the blanks and it's like the only thing in modern day modern day commerce where you have to fill out a physical form they gotta have a decent number of employees there that are just like in processing those things you would think because that's got to be done by hand to an extent extent yeah i would sure think so um that 11 rebate though is like it it runs almost all the time at least like half the year whatever so we so people won't buy stuff unless it's going on and that's what i didn't get because so we redid this bar down in my basement here and we bought

we bought cabinets we didn't even need very many cabinets but we got these cabinets from menards and the first time we went in to look it was we did all this stuff and they they gave us this piece of paper and it said oh 11 rebate ends like this saturday and so it's like the stressful thing in our life because we need to go there i gotta get it today yeah and it's like no we're just too busy we can't get in there can't make it happen so we're like oh fuck it whatever okay yeah won't get the rebate go in two weeks later it's on again it's on again and it ended that saturday again i'm like i think just every saturday it just renews itself because the course of redoing this little bar i stopped in several times over the course of a couple months and every single time i went in the rebate was going on and the receipt always said it was ending in a week but

that's why it'll go on for two weeks and then be off for a week. It just creates the urgency that you're like, oh, it's coming off on Saturday. I got to go. And then it's like, yeah, it's only off for a week. And then it's back on for two more. But that is a more recent marketing or whatever you want to call what it is that they're doing. Like in 2005, 2010, they did that literally like once or twice a year so that was like a big deal

okay what can they do it and apparently they got like punch drunk off of this 11 rebate sales that it just turned into like that's their new pricing structure it is and it wasn't their pricing structure then because that was just like a once or twice a year thing yeah because now there's it's unusual to go into the store there's not the banner on the front that says 11 rebate on everything in the store it's also funny like that's a pretty big corporation it's obviously not lowes or home depot lowes or home depot they don't do like i i'm not sure they don't have like bag sales or these 11 rebate like that that has way more of a small town hardware store feel to those

and that's probably what they're trying to yeah and i don't know if we made it clear enough the bag sale is you get a brown bag yeah 15 off anything you fit in the bag you get 15 right off right but the trick is and i think this came up in the discord a while ago if you find the right cashier stuff that's even bigger than what would fit in the bag they would still be like yeah because it it's all going on yeah right right i'll scan it in 50 percent off sounds good ah okay um do you ever see the show supermarket sweeps or supermarket i've never i remember it being like back in the day yeah yeah yeah they have versions of it like today still oh okay i didn't know there was i remember versions yeah i do remember it uh then where it being like back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They have versions of it like today still. Oh, okay.

I didn't know there was no versions. Yeah. I do remember it then where it was like, Oh, these people are going crazy in this grocery store. They'd always go like, cause you, the idea was like,

I don't know if there was a game show through it, but at the end, like the final part of the game show is you ran through the grocery store and got as high a dollar amount as you possibly could into your grocery cart and back to the checkout in time. God, nowadays that'd be so easy. You just go to the meat section. Well, and they'd be loading up these 10 pounds.

They'd be filling the carts. It was always the same five products that people would go for, and part of it was the meat section. And then there was was i can't remember the other thing did they have like a printer toner section where people would just unload box no but that would be the that would be the thing wouldn't it yeah but they would always be like these frozen hams or whatever they'd always be over there getting gotta have those hams yeah okay supermarket sweeps well i'm happy to report Tanner, that you did pass another week of Tanner Explains the Midwest.

Excellent. I think I'm batting 1,000 on that. You might be batting 1,000. Oh, that reminds me. Is that the end of that game? That is the end of that game. That reminds me of this. I am not a big baseball fan.

I much prefer the sports of basketball and football over baseball. But having been a relatively avid sports fan for a you know in my growing up in my teens in my 20s i much less so now but i was very aware of baseball and i've been to several baseball games and stuff like that so they just had the hall of fame voting and this was barry bond's last chance to get voted in you know you can only be on the ticket for so long and they didn't vote him in when he's so what is you only get so many years on the ballot okay but you can say wasn't there still like technically another way he get in there is some other thing others yeah whatever maybe it's uncommon that that even happens i don't really know also roger clemens was in the same boat i

saw that too yes and to me i have two two ideas on this one thing it's not that big of a deal it's just the like it's just a thing it's like but in the sport of baseball the hall of fame that's like i don't support hall of fame out of all yeah the thing is that's throwing me off is i don't really care about baseball so it's easy for me to say it doesn't matter but to me it is i feel like to me personally it's a bit of a travesty that barry bonds is not in the hall of fame because like it is a museum about the sport of baseball and it's like you're gonna not put in this guy that has hit more home runs like the because they still recognize all those records don't they i don't know see i don't know i'm not

sure to know and i don't even like I just think it's a idiot. It's idiotic for it like to even say that he's not in the Hall of Fame. I'm like, that is so stupid. It's purely just because that is steroid. Yeah, it is, I guess. But if there's still, I guess my question is like, are they recognizing his records still? If they're recognizing his records, then they're like, okay, we want these numbers, but we don't want to talk about. Well, and also they call it the steroid era there's i guarantee like how

many people are in there that were like weren't the people that got in trouble right there's there's also guys in the baseball hall of fame that played in the 90s like right right and you know i just think it kind of is what it is at this point that's what was going you know granted there was not everyone was doing it but there were so many doing it it was kind of and it's just you're not recognizing that part of the history of baseball in a museum about baseball yeah i'm sure that it's just kind of ridiculous there's probably some baseball people listening to this right now and like god these guys are so bad at explaining this but that's true i 100 do get what you're saying well and i guess also i follow i'm into sports where recreational drug use is like common in 50 of the people are honest about yeah right right so to me like that's not as big of a mental

hurdle for me to be like oh my god it's not i'm not like so righteous that i'm like he took some what i um what the clear and the yeah what was it again what were they doing ah well i can't remember did they try to say he was like taking hgh2 wasn't that part of the thing i think so i don't know it was the clear that was the thing wasn't it yeah it was like the clear and the something like the this and the that the clear and i don't know what that even was or like there's a drug name that i that seemed to be really common and then I can't. Trend, definitely.

It wasn't any that I really hear people talking about in strength sports even. But also the other thing about that is too is presumably Barry Bonds was already had a Hall of Fame career before. I mean, I don't know who knows what day he started taking PEDs, but he had like a hall of fame career before he even did that. Right.

You know, it wasn't, he was a nobody. And then he took steroids and all of a sudden he became this all-star baseball player. Yeah. Um, so I guess my uneducated opinion on my very, very subjective opinion is that it seems

like it's silly if he's not in the hall of fame. Yeah. I, I also, to be fair, I don't really like baseball. I really don't care about, I like to go to live to be completely fair. I like to go to live baseball games. That's kind of, that's fun. That's a fun experience. But that's, that's like, I like to leave the house and do fun stuff.

I like to leave the house and do stuff.. I like to leave the house and do stuff. It's like, you just described most normal people. Right. Right. Kind of along those lines, Tanner, did you watch any football this past weekend?

I, going back to what I was saying, I don't really watch much sports. I did. My son is very into football. So because of that, we caught like a little bit of all the games, except for the, I didn't see the Bengals.

Oh, OK. One. But it may be the wildest weekend of football that I've ever seen. And I'm sure everyone's saying that. I haven't talked to anyone about it. And I think that that's kind of the consensus. I haven't talked to anyone about this either. But I am a casual sports fan in the way that like, you know, during the regular season, I kind of sort of pay attention to where people are sitting.

I don't, I don't invest hardly any of my time in it. I don't care much, but like playoffs are always fun to watch because that's when you really see what people are made of. Like, that's when you really see people at their peak performance doing crazy stuff and like stepping up to the plate.

And so I get excited around playoff time to watch things happen. And I had probably the most fun I've ever had in my life watching football this past weekend. It was really, it up to the plate and so i get excited around playoff time to watch things happen and i had probably the most fun i've ever had in my life watching football this past weekend like it was really i didn't have any team i'm a vikings fan so i don't have any teams in a fight and i don't care what happens any of the games i can just purely watch as a fan and i was very entertained this whole weekend and that chiefs bills game was absolutely insane like that wasn't that was the most That was the cornerstone game. That was one where you really do,

and I get that that's the rules, but that is one where you just really get into like, I feel like the system cheated all of us. We want more, and it's like, nope. We're putting an end to this. Nope, it's over. Yeah. I probably had, if it wasn't for my son,

I probably wouldn't have watched any of them. But because he's into it, it makes it way more exciting for me and makes it more fun for me. And I've always been a Buccaneers fan. But like I said, I kind of quit. It's not really fair for me to any longer say that because I don't really pay enough attention. But he's a Buccaneers fan, you know, because I kind of,

or I was or am, although I do not, to be fair, I don't pay attention. But so we watched all of that game and that was really disappointing. Like that caught myself getting back into my old habits where I actually do get into it. And then I'm, when that game over, I literally said,

I'm like, this is why I don't watch this anymore because now I'm mad. Like now I'm pissed off. And like, why am I like, I don't want to do like, I, why am I even invested in this? Why does it even matter to me, you know? So we were a little disappointed about that, but that was also a very good game.

I did like some of the memes I saw on that, though, because the Rams do kind of have, like, almost like an all-star roster of players that they picked up over these last couple years and it's like uh you know it'll be uh obj uh cup the receiver yeah matt stafford which meant whatever but aaron donald and uh you know all these other guys and like all this to beat a 44 year old man it's kind of funny it is like I'm not saying it's exactly like that's not their intention in building that team and everything, but it is kind of funny. Yeah.

But that was, I agree. That was a crazy weekend of football. Yeah. That was the craziest. I've like, if you're, I feel like if you're a fan of sport,

you have to recognize that there was some pretty impressive performances that happened this weekend and entertaining performances at that. Yeah. Part of it, though, like the end of that Bucks-Rams game and then like the Bills-Chiefs game, the flip side of the coin is like, it seems like the defenses are really bad. Well, it's kind of. You know, like if you don't think about it that way because you see the amazing offensive place, but I'm like, man, these defensive players, they're going to pay a lot. You know,

like why are the, everyone getting these like 40 yard plays with two seconds left. And part of me, like my brain says, it's kind of like the NBA thing where it's like, I don't think the defenses are that bad. It's just the offenses are just that. Yeah.

So damn good. And the rules also kind of go in the favor of offensive players. And that's true. The defense. So you do have kind of like two strikes against you there. Right, that is true. But you do have a point. I guess the other side of that would be like the 49ers-Packers game

where it was like, well, that was like a lackluster game. Like it was close, but that wasn't really an exciting game. Yeah, it's kind of funny. The measure of a good game is based on good offense, not on good defense. It's way more fun to watch. Maybe this is the common man's take, but it defense way more fun to watch maybe maybe this is the common man's take but it's way more fun to

watch a game with a lot of like offensive action then right oh it's a defensive stalemate at 7-7 in the fourth quarter yep or 6-6 because we got field goal are we yeah just field goals going on like just run play after run play for a gain of two and a loss of one and they're just grinding it out old school

football it's like yeah fun yeah old reliable here so that's our that's most in-depth sports taken month that was quite a bit of that yeah wow okay well we always do our super bowl bets you know tanner so we have that coming up soon we do actually trying to no we can we can still call that next week can't we okay um yeah yeah yeah yeah and there's a break between the super bowl anyways right right i think so i think yeah because do they do they still play the pro bowl before the super bowl yeah pretty sure right okay i think so i thought i saw the pro bowl comes up the pro bowl is a joke yeah out of all of all they could just get rid of that i think out of all the sports that is the one that oh that is the all-star game but because of the nature of

football is such a violent sport you know you can't like you can't play a half-assed you shouldn't play a half-assed football game i don't think you know you can play a half-assed basketball game is it the nba or is it the baseball i guess i think the baseball one's more meaningful to baseball yeah people but to me it's the nba all-? I think the baseball one's more meaningful to baseball people, but to me it's the NBA All-Star game. Yeah, that one's more, I feel like the more exciting one because the score's always 160 to 180. Yeah, but the guys literally don't play defense and stuff,

so I don't like that. What I like is if they get a year where it's actually a close game and then some of the top dogs actually are taking ownership and it turns into a good game in like the last 10 minutes. It usually is the last quarter. If it's close at all, then that's right. It turns into a game and you'll get a few,

a few possessions of actual real basketball happening. The slam dunk contest, I think is, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's done.

Yeah. I mean, it's just, there's nothing left. Yeah. Like there's, it's, it's just all,

there's nothing left there to do. It feels like it's just kind of marketing nothing left. Yeah. Like there's, it's, it's just all, there's nothing left there to do. Now it feels like it's just kind of marketing hype around. Yeah. Not, not any, not much for substance. Yeah. Like there, there'll be a year where like the guy that wins it is really good, but the other people in it aren't doing much. And none of the, and I get why and stuff, but you know, it's always, it's mostly filled with up and comers that you don't really care about.

Right. Second, second and third. And there was a point in time when that wasn't just the case. I mean, when Michael Jordan was doing it, he wasn't a seasoned veteran, but when it was like Michael Jordan and Dominique Wilkins and stuff,

you were getting like, these are also like a couple of the best guys in the NBA at the time too. And that doesn't really happen. Yes, that part has changed for sure. So that, now that is sports now now we got sports covered you know what sports reminds me of what spud ink wow you too huh i thought maybe it was just it reminds me of spud from spud ink like i i remember because remember you know because spud speaking of the dunk contest well he was named his

nickname came from spud web yeah he was former slam dunk contest so that really does remind me of spud inc because that's actually where spud's nickname came from would have never guessed that if we not had spud on the podcast to ask him about that i know we just had it as an over-under topic thinking we were being silly yeah and he's like no that's that's where my nickname came from it's a very real thing i'm just pulling up their ad here tanner okay are you ready for this everyone wants to know what product what is it gonna be if you said bow tie you're wrong it's not bow tie this week it's the safety rack strap set okay safety rack straps that tell me more you say that's exactly what i say the safety rack strap It's the Safety Rack Strap Set. Okay. Safety Rack Strap Set. Tell me more, you say.

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and cool beans and cool beans you can check out the spud ink safety rack strap set online at spud-ink-straps.com good stuff spud ink good job spud ink do we have anything else we need to touch on today we mentioned the drink spotters are back

in action so grab a drink spotter buy one of those if you already have one buy a second one yeah with there's guys out there that have 10 so you can have that's true uh with the um supply chain issues you never know like we don't know when the next when we'll get more again so you know at some point in time these will run out and we could have a leg was almost three months yeah you don't want to be caught waiting almost three months again don't get caught with your pants down like that again with this supply chain your pants could be down a long time you just be down there with pants on the looking like a fool with your pants on the ground do you know that song yeah what is that pants on your pants on the ground is that what it's like pants on the ground pants on the ground looking like a fool

with your pants on the ground it was like uh i wonder if that was from like one of those uh talent talent shows like um oh like gangnam Style almost. Yeah. Because didn't Gangnam Style come from? I don't know. I think that's just like a Korean pop song. Okay. So he wasn't on. No.

What's the song? Or what's the show that I'm thinking of? The reality show. It had like Simon Cowell on it. Oh, American Idol? Yeah. Or like American's Got Talent or like that sort of thing. Yeah. Maybe like America's Got got talent that's the show i think pants on the ground guy was on america's

that's like i something i remember like it's in my brain as being a thing but i don't know what or why okay get pants on the ground good track banger get a drink spotter we still got some race hell lift heavy teas maybe a very limited supply of lift evil shorts our most popular teas we got pretty good supply of right now so if you want a lift tea a bench heavy tea nice rack um lift shit dark side tea don't curl in me tea 8-bit power lifting 8-bit strong man really mostly all those we have some the gym tea raw power just thinking we got decent supply of most things right now yeah um locked and loaded we're locked and loaded we're working on some other new exciting stuff too that we can't tell you about yet some other other garments this is some of the most exciting things i've ever been excited for yeah we could have uh massonomics you know just

depending on the lead time on stuff we don't really know exactly yet but like a month like february could be pretty interesting with some of the unique things that are coming assuming the arnold happens the next two months are going to be pretty historic yeah in the massonomics history book yeah the ups delivery driver after like after this week is not going to yeah he is not especially with how to be historic in his how icy and cold it's been and then the sheer volume of of uh boxes that he that they've been bringing in into our doorstep is they're gonna expect a tip i think here's a tip don't come back around here here's a tip don't work for ups you don't like it so much yeah that's that's always a classic thing to say like oh they're

gonna hate they hate this guy or they hate me and stuff but i'm like yeah do they is it just they're are they like they probably have way worse people well and also aren't they like isn't it the jet like this literally is the job like that is what the job is like what if nobody had any packages what would they do i guess be unemployed yeah so that wouldn't work out very well no don't try try telling the people that that work in the united states postal office though they feel otherwise yes yes yes they do uh do we have any reviews tanner yeah we should do it to him on some reviews probably and also the spotify number has been jumping again yeah well that was over 160 now like we mentioned something what a week or two ago is that like 125 or 130 maybe even 140 i don't know and all of a sudden it's in the 60s 160s what

yeah so i think we i mean after seeing that it's not uh crazy to think that we could crack the 200 in a reasonable and just remember that i told tanner the over under for the years 300 and he told me no so if we crack 200 here within like the next month i'm gonna start looking kind of silly yeah we want tanner to look very silly so i'll be looking like a fool with my pants on the ground spotify it's the easiest review you can ever do you just go go to it. Go to the podcast. It's like the strength coplates. You go to it.

Click five and just rate it. And if you don't use Spotify as your normal podcast player, like a lot of people, if you go to it, it's going to say you need to listen to it. All you got to do is click on it, like let five seconds of an episode go by, and then you can leave your review. That's all you got to do. Yep. Little hack there for you. Okay. I do have a couple of... Now now these are apple podcast five-star reviews so just spotify

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