Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 327: John Haack

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Haack is Baack for this one! We talked with big John about what goes into a good gym outfit (including bucket hats), the new mid engine Corvette, and we finally find out how he first got into lifting. We also announce the Drink Spotter Trick Shot Contest that starts now! Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics here we are for episode 327 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy tommy what do you think we got for him this big July episode, July 2022, hitting him with here this week? I'm curious. I was just along for the ride. I thought you were taking this one.

Oh, crap. I thought you had something. I thought I was like the live audience tonight. Oh. Well, this is going to be awkward. Oh, okay. Just kidding. We've got so many fun topics to talk about this week.

It's crazy. Something cool we're going to go through. We've got a new contest announcement. Pretty exciting new contest. We've at this point become I think pretty well known for our various Silly Goose contests that we've had over the years. And we've got

another one that's coming. We'll get into those details. We've got a sack segment. We've got a can that you brought. We've got an exciting guest, Mr. John Hack, this week. One of the very few two-time guests. Yep, one of the very, very few two-time full featured guests, isn't it? Who is really on that list?

In the call-in era, for sure. Probably the only two-time call-in special guest. We've had multiple people on the show for brief phone calls. Yeah, Repeat Anomics had multiple people on the show for brief phone calls yeah repeat anomics will catch us on the yeah you know we've had other brad knights will probably take the award for or my brother for i was gonna say uh fly and ryan even guessed he was a guest host for a period of time even you know like like three episodes yeah right maybe even four maybe because he we didn't treat him as a guest when he was on at a certain point not really no he was just

another host wasn't he? Yeah, I kind of forgot about that, actually. In the gym, too, on top of that. Remember, those are some interesting episodes. I'm curious what we even talked about then. We'll never know. There's no way of ever knowing. No.

Nobody will ever. Luckily, there is a catalog. You can go back and listen to all of it. All you need is about like five, I don't know, 600 hours of listening time. Roughly, yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's all you got to do.

But we won't make you sit through that today. Today we're going to talk about some new stuff. And one of the first, newest, most exciting things. First, we can't get ahead of ourselves here. exciting things. First, we can't get ahead of ourselves here. I, in the spirit of that, I want to tell you about spud-ink-straps.com. Big announcement here for Spud Inc.

It's their 20th anniversary sale. It's a 20 day long sales event. We're already in the midst of it. It ends July 20th, so there's still plenty of time to get in on the big Spud Inc. 20th anniversary sale. They're very proud to celebrate the 20th year in business at Spud Inc. It's been fun to come up with innovative new solutions to help improve and build the lifting community.

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of these deals in my humble opinion i wasn't going to say it but you said it so is imho in my humble opinion or in my honest opinion that's a good question i in my head i've never second guessed what i what do you say then, though? But now that you've told me to think about it, I can't say it now. I feel like I've seen both. Yeah, I think it's humble. I think humble. I think I'd go with humble.

So you're saying humble. Yeah. That's not what most people say in my humble opinion. The phrase isn't typically in my honest opinion, right? I think in my humble opinion makes more sense. I think that's what it is, yeah. In my honest opinion feels a little unnecessary to say. I mean, both of them aren't really.

Because people just say, oh, honest, being honest. Yeah. So it's in my humble opinion. I think that's what it is, yeah. Okay. Today's show is also brought to you by Texas Power Bars. Buddy Capps first started lifting weights in the late 60s and began powerlifting in the mid-70s.

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It's not. Okay. We gamed the system, though. Did you? You were inverted, so they couldn't catch you? I was inverted. You pulled an invert. No, we just did it for short periods of time so i'm like yeah we're gonna create some noise here but it's like um what's that style it's like guerrilla warfare we'll just go out and hit

them a little bit and then we're gonna retreat back and they're like oh where did it come from so that's what we were doing throughout the day and throughout the night because i kind of like my backyard is kind of out of time yeah there's like none not you know it's a field behind it um so that's what we were doing is like i'm like yeah we'll shoot like four or five off then we'll stop and like in an hour later we'll go do it again so no none of the name basically just the real reason just so none of the neighbors are getting started at 10 o'clock at night and it went till six in the morning god no i was in I was in bed. On the 4th of July. I had to work the next day, so I wasn't staying up.

Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The 4th was on Monday. I was in bed by nine before it was dark. And also the thing around here in the upper Midwest is it doesn't get dark until like four fireworks until like after 10 o'clock. Yeah, for sure. You know, it's still, you're shooting it into a lit up sky if you're launching it before 10 o'clock for sure you know it's still you're shooting into a lit up sky if you're launching them before 10 o'clock at night so on the fourth i mean we were shooting fireworks more

on the third you know the night two nights prior because i was you know i could party those nights they weren't school nights get after it yeah how about you well i made a little trip to uh minnesota and what region of minnesota it would be i think people well people i think believe call it central minnesota possibly actually i think the proper term would probably be southern north central minnesota i think would probably be the proper term would be alexandria minnesota okay but uh you know you're in you're getting to what people consider the northern part but it's still it's the southern southern edge of the northern part and it is central minnesota yeah um and we just we have is it central central i mean is it really central it's pretty damn central yeah yeah it's about as central as you get there okay

and we just kind of chilled we didn't launch any fireworks we didn't have that going for us but we're on the lakes we got to do some fun lake things and then uh really cool thing we've talked about how we'd like to do a little biking on this podcast before yeah and they had something i was not aware it was the central lakes i believe the name is the central lakes state trail and it's a 55 mile bike trail and it was an old railroad track back in the day and then like 15 years ago they uh took the i mean the railroad track wasn't in use but they turned into a bike trail and it is a really cool bike trail i haven't been on many bike trails in my day but you're like in thick woods and then you're kind of out in open prairie and then you're back

in the woods and then you're another town and you're going over bridges it was it was really really cool you don't really have to stop for traffic hardly ever we don't really have that here do we no that does not exist here like i just took off one day and i went five miles and i was in another town i'm like this town came out of nowhere this is pretty cool and you don't i mean there's people but you traffic is not an issue like right people keep to their side and so i had a lot of fun on that um otherwise yeah uh again i wore Masonomic stuff, hoping someone would see me. Anything? Still no call-outs. Oof.

Disappointing. A boy can dream, though, can't he? Yeah. I mean, don't stop trying. Yeah. Oh, I can. The first time you don't wear something, that's when someone would have been there that would have loved to have mentioned it. It would be.

Oh, okay. I got to ask you, too. You said you did watch all of boardwalk empire right yeah it's been a while though it's been a while so i finished that show like several years it was really good i really liked it yeah it was it was very well done um come to find out that i don't know much about the early parts of organized crime in america and the mafia didn't realize that lots of those characters in that show are real characters. Was Al Capone was in there.

Yeah. And I knew Al Capone was real. Right. And I'm just, I remember he was the only one I didn't know, like Meyer Lansky or Charlie Luciano or even like, like a lot of the names were like, I didn't know those were the guys that started like a lot of the modern day

mafia in America. And so that was uh i guess if you're familiar with those their story then maybe some of this plays out a little different because up until the last episode i'm like what could happen here what could happen here but if you know the fate of these guys you know exactly what's going to happen to some of the characters isn't it funny funny how old organized crime is like romanticized? But it's like, ah, like this is very, it's almost like has an element of like sophisticated. That's what's funny. Like we were watching the show, my wife and I,

and of course, you know, at one point, the prohibition agents are coming in and trying to catch him. And she's like, no, I don't want him to. And you kind of got to remind yourself, well, actually those are the good guys. Steve buscemi is the bad guy here he's breaking every law because then if you think it in modern terms if someone's like ah it's the you know it's like if you're in new york city and like the mob you know they have this drug thing going on you're like well those are the bad guys obviously but when you watch these old shows it's like ah they're

gunning him down yeah yeah yeah he got rid of his competition gunned him down perfect and they're like well actually no that's kind of a lose-lose for everyone yeah but uh so it was it was a very good show and after i got done with it i was shocked how much i was reading was real people that did real things so then it leads you down the wikipedia rabbit hole and that you know that can go on way too long so i eventually had to had to stop that one but i believe we were on the road another podcast recommendation i had this ancient list of i believe someone else recommended this one way back in the day and it was son of a hitman have you heard of this one no no so the premise of this is, do you know anything about Woody Harrelson's dad? No.

Supposedly he was a hitman. Okay. And some people even say he had possible ties to the JFK assassination and all this stuff. Some people say he murdered three people. Some think maybe more than 20. Okay. Woody Harrelson as seen in Cheers. Yes, actually. Exactly. okay um woody harrelson as seen in cheers yes actually exactly i forgot about that until they

actually used it they almost used that same line in the podcast because they said this this interview with uh barbara walters from the 90s everyone's one of everyone's favorite bartenders from cheers yeah wow i actually forgot that was a thing but then it was funny because they also bring up in this podcast that this guy may have ties to Meyer Lansky, who was just in Boardwalk Inferno. I'm like, man, we're spanning decades and people. And a few months ago, you could have said that name and it would have meant nothing to me.

And now it's all good. Now that you're well-versed on the organized crime. Now I'm well-versed in organized crime. Did you see the big winner from this weekend, though? Oh, I did. Joey Chestnut. I did see that, yes. Yeah, big win. He we like undefeated we're

talking about needing to make predictions and yeah we forgot well it's kind of a lock though i think they said he won his 15th time maybe damn he's got to have something from a genetics like anatomy standpoint that's helping him right i guess so right i think he did like 60 some this year 60 60 some uh well the all-time record is more than that though isn't it i think so because do you remember kobayashi yeah yeah and wasn't didn't they say with him his stomach actually sat lower or something like that and that's what gave him do you remember back in the day there was mtv had a true life do you remember that show? I remember the show, True Life. True Life, I Want To, whatever. It was kind of a documentary type thing.

I think there was one like I Took Steroids or something like that. Yes, I think the guy had tiny calves and he was really paranoid about that. Oh, I think he got calf implants actually. I think one of the guys did. Yeah, but there was a competitive eating one and Kobayashi was on it

and they followed him in Japan. And he actually trained really hard. He'd go to the gym and work out hard but i believe he mentioned one of his things was that his stomach and whether there's any truth to it or not but i think he mentioned that his stomach sits lower so he can fill it up higher that makes sense i mean i mean it seems like it could be a thing hey he was a champion eater so who might argue with that that's true uh how many hot dogs do you think you could eat in like a sitting? Like actually just eat. Even if you speed eat or whatever.

I don't think I could do it competition. I think I would gag. Like I think it gross, the watery bun thing. That's so gross. How many, like in any way do you think you could get down in like 30 minutes or what? You know,

and just like it. I think, okay. 30 minutes is the time limit? Yeah. Because I think much longer. You don't need much. You're just going to be like.

I just had to make sure it wasn't like eight minutes because I would. No, I want the time not really. Just like how many could you really eat in a sitting? Maybe 10, maybe. 10 feels like a lot to me. I don't know if I could do a lot i'm thinking more than five but less than myself more than five i know for sure more than five yeah um the thing with hot dogs i because there's a big variety in hot dog true meatiness yeah if you know what i'm saying

oh and and i don't know what the uh standard nathan ballpark frank is like right that's what it is or if it's just the nathan frank whatever they call them i'm not really sure what that brand is is bringing to the table as far as their package goes you know because like an oscar meyer wiener those things are not very big no but you gotta eat the bun along with it i know but also the bun how much bun are they bringing that's because some are i don't like the bun to be i prefer a small bun ratio on those oh i do not want i don't want bun in x like if if i buy a hot dog and the bun goes beyond the thing i'll like rip off yeah oh yeah i don't want and i would say more of a brat guy all the time oh there's way more substance absolutely my wife thinks hot dogs are want and i would say more of a brat guy all the time oh there's way more

substance absolutely my wife thinks hot dogs are good and i think she's crazy but not that they're bad but i forgot brats are hot dogs i'm always picking the brat and i'm just this weekend grilling up some hot dogs then and it went on the bun and i'm thinking that this is a regular hot dog bun and there's way too much bun there. So I don't know. I have to see what the ratios are. Four is sure more than five. Ten probably is like the absolute limit.

I'd probably be closer to seven or eight is probably actually where I'd be. That's honestly where I think I'd be about. I mean, I would get sick of it for sure. But I think you could do more than me, though. I know you can eat more than me. It'd be mentally. I'm just not sure. I think you could do more than me though. You could like, I know you can eat more than me. It'd be mentally. Yeah. I just not sure.

I'm not the, my problem is I'm not, I can't push through the too far with a hot dog because I don't like it that much. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, once I get kind of full, I'm going to be like,

oof, you know, I just can't eat much. Is eight hot dogs and buns really that much more than like eating a large pizza? Is it that much more food? You know, it doesn't seem like it can't be that much more than eating a large pizza. Is it that much more food? It can't be that much more bread, really. Pizza is all bread. So probably ate more than that.

Speaking of pizza, I would just need a big glass of milk to help me out. That's for sure. You show up to the competition with a milk glass for dunking. He's really flipping the game on his head here. Not only is he eating uh 60 hot dogs and buns he's drinking a gallon of milk in the process trying to get still on the go mad i can't let a little hot dog eating contest get me off go mad can't lose these games what's the appropriate condiment on a just a hot plain old hot dog? Ketchup and mustard.

If you're at a baseball game, you get a little relish on there, too. It's funny. I like pickles. I like pickles on my burger and stuff. And I like pickles. Relish, like, I do not. Really? Relish is just like chopped up pickles, right?

I think so. I don't know. There's something about it that I just don't like. It just doesn't please me in that way but uh i like what did you say ketchup and mustard though oh yeah ketchup mustard always and a lot of people for brats are mustard only i'm still ketchup and mustard and brats i agree i don't need that much of any of the condiments though i don't want i don't need my wiener just soaked in condiments not like a fair amount on there you know lubes the gullet yeah helps everything go down i like just uh i just i want to taste the meat not the heat doesn't apply but

said at the end kind of does though how about sauerkraut is sauerkraut ever i hate sauerkraut there is no every once in a while is the most might be the most repulsive no every once in a while like just a couple times a year i'm in the grocery store i'm like you know what i need to get a kielbasa i need to fry that thing up in a pan with the big jar of sauerkraut on it and just eat it until the sauerkraut grosses me out and then i'm good for like another six months sauerkraut i think is the most disgusting food that exists when when i went to school kindergarten through 12 i went to the same school and we had the same basic rotation of food for those 13 years and you know like yeah they went to sneak a little

sauerkraut yeah like brought sauerkraut day was was a day and i was not picky about the school like i liked almost all the school lunches when it was the sauerkraut day i almost couldn't stand to go into the cafeteria and i'm not like i got sick like just walking in there and i don't know that i can recall ever even trying it but there was just something like it was just the smell like i could never get it just absolutely repulsive i think you're kind of missing out there's not too bad there's nothing about it that looks good it's specific there's a specific flavor there but it's really not that bad i would gag just even think if i was like started to put a fork full up to my mouth i think i would gag you get a you get a brat with kind of like some dijon mustard and a little sauerkraut on there

that thing's ready to go oof well let's let's cleanse your palate here yeah boy all this sauerkraut talk really has me disgusted we got a lacroix here this isn't a hope it's not sauerkraut flavor this is a trap i set you up for refreshing that's good that's real good oh yeah okay should we talk about this contest yeah i think we better talk about the big contest and we get to our we we got a little time uh we could we're not a huge rush so we can we can go take it take this contest uh it's fair due and uh we hinted at this for everyone that's been tuning in live. They know this is coming. We've got our big contest coming up.

We've got our prizes selected. We've got the contest figured out. We've got the time frame figured out. So I guess here we go, right? It's that time. It is that time. The Discord's pop up. So do we want to start with the grand prize before we even say anything? Or do we want to start with the contest? Maybe we should say anything? Or do we want to start with the contest?

Maybe we should say what the contest is and then reveal the grand prize. Because we have a grand prize. Well, first we'll reveal the runner-up prize. Okay. And then the grand prize last. You know, you've got to say the best for last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is the formal announcement.

Are you ready? This is the formal announcement. So we can say right away, this contest begins. Submissions can begin on July 11th, Monday. That's the day that this episode officially airs. And we're going to take submissions for one week. So you'll have through the 11th through the 18th to get your submissions in for this contest. And this contest is the Drink Spotter Trick Shot Contest.

Correct. What is a drink spotter trick shot somewhat self-explanatory but it is going to be a contest for whoever has the best drink spotter trick shot videos so there could be a lot of things there it could be you know as simple as flipping a bottle into a drink spotter from across the room some long distances some heights some crazy things it could be maybe there's a cup in there and you throw a ball in yep that's been done so maybe you add a few extra bounces maybe there's a flipping bottle and a bouncy thing happening at the same time maybe you're lifting in the midst of it and somehow you get a trick shot into the yeah there's a lot of levels you could take with this thing um but i think

we're going to see some pretty cool things obviously um one barrier to entry is you probably kind of need a drink spotter if you don't have one drink spotter really helps for the drink spot i mean if you don't have one and you really want to get involved you get creative and uh think of some ideas but it's going to be tough to tough to do. Yeah, we're hoping to see a drink spotter involved at some point. Exactly. And so in order to submit, the submission's going to be through Instagram, a video through Instagram. And what do you need to do?

You need to tag us. Yep, make sure to tag Massanomics, at Massanomics, and then use hashtag drink spotter trick shot. Drink spotter trick shot. Pretty simple. And those should all pop in. Do make sure to use that hashtag, though, because that's how we can kind of curate the submissions

when it comes down to time to selecting winners and everything. We can more easily see everyone's submission if you use DrinkSpotterTrickshot as the hashtag on there. And do make sure to tag us, too. All right. Should I start the Frequently Asked Questions section now? Yeah. Is there any Frequently Asked Questions?

Can I enter more than one video yes i think the answer is yes right i agree you want to see as many as possible um you can only win once can i win more than once no okay we're gonna roll with your best submission you can do more than one submission because maybe you're unsure of which one we're gonna like the best because we don't know for sure what's going to be the best. You know, we don't know. Obviously, we don't know what's going to be the best. It could change as the contest goes. Yeah. Yes.

Extra points for. Okay. Next question. Extra points for multiple drink spotters? Possibly. It definitely doesn't hurt you. It can't hurt. Does not hurt you.

Wearing any other, you know, any other you know massonomics uh show massonomics apparel showing up in the video isn't required doesn't hurt um any other massonomics references that make it into the video somehow you know maybe you instead of a bottle flip you go with a bit of a throwback reference and you flip a hot mcdon pie. Oh, I like that. That'd be good. That'd be good. Apple pie doesn't carry the same weight it used to around here, I don't think. But if you've been around a while, you know all about the McDonald's apple pie.

Good point there. Could you incorporate a LaCroix? Sure. Not a bad idea. That on its own might not be enough. Could you incorporate a pair of collectible shorts? Possibly. Pretty good idea there.

Another question here. Are you going to verify that someone has it won more than once when we announce winners? We can't confirm that at all. Past performance may be an indicator of future. There may be two winners that we don't notice. Same person might win twice. We add live in those cases.

We figure that out on the fly. We're just freestyling that. So can't guarantee anything there. Who is the mole this time? I don't know. We don't even know. We don't. That's how deep.

Yeah. That's how deep this runs is. We don't even know the mole for sure. Should we show what some of the runner up? so if you're not a grand prize winner we have some runner-up prizes and the runners up are going to be getting what i'm holding right here and this is a heavy heavy listen you can hear it it's made from polymetal poly Polymetal. This is the real deal. And this is the caution. Please keep drinks spotted in this area sign.

And it has pilot holes drilled into it for easy mounting on any wall. And those will be given to the runner-ups, the caution. Please keep drinks spotted in this area sign. And this is a thick... Yeah, this is what you actually make a sign out of. Right. It is bright yellow. It has a... It looks like an official caution sign.

Yeah, it has the big yellow caution letters on a black box. And then there is a little icon drawing of a stick man slipping inside of a rack with a drink spilled on the floor because he did not keep his drink spotted. So we'll be giving away a few of those to the runner-ups. These will also be available for sale on the site as of Monday. We'll put those out Monday to go along with this contest. If you want to get one of those. OSHA compliant.

I don't know how this couldn't be OSHA compliant. It's bright yellow and it's it does have uh pilot holes in all four corners and it's 14 inches wide by 10 inches tall so be on the lookout for those do we want to go to the grand prize now tanner i suppose we should uh everyone's wondering the the big question is if if i'm gonna put why someone frequently this is also faq why would i put so much time into this contest why would i care about doing that what could i possibly win that's of any consequence of any like real value to me and we thought we've got just the thing don't we have got just the thing in fact we need to suit up uh to an extent before we even show this next item you don't tommy need to put on a blindfold but i do have something else for you to

put on for this uh so we're giving this the white glove treatment as in i literally am putting on white gloves right now so am i because we cannot handle this grand prize with our bear you know sometimes the finer things in life, you have to protect the investment. Someone asked if these are golf gloves. No. These are the white gloves for the white glove treatment. Yes.

Okay. Okay, so you have yours. My greasy, dirty, grimy hands are protected. Okay. And here we go. Do we have any music? Oh, yeah. Let me get something on here.

We have the crowds going wild. Woo-hoo! All right. Okay. And this is the world's first 24-carat goldated drink spotter yes and damn this thing looks good and it is not painted gold no this is actually 24 karat gold plated drink spotter yeah i didn't see this tanner you've had this for a little bit i didn't see this until right before we recorded this and this baby shines.

This looks good. Yes. I kind of thought it would look maybe like gold spray paint. But no, it looks like gold. I love gold! It looks really good. And it's completely coated. Yeah, the pin is coated.

And luckily for you, we do have uh depending on if you're a one inch drink spotter one inch rack person or a five eighths inch rack person we have you covered either way you will be able to win one of those whichever whichever it is you you use uh so you won't you know it's we're displaying the 5.8 version here, but we could also have this in the 1-inch version if that's what the winner wants. And I don't know if this comes across on video. And also, if you're just listening to the podcast, you listen on audio only,

shoot over to YouTube and check this out or shoot over to our Instagram page. We'll probably have showed this off. In some ways, the lights hit this. It just looks like I'm holding a gold bar from certain angles here. And we'll even include, the winner will also get a pair of white gloves just so you don't have to get your greasy paws on it. There's more white gloves where that came from.

We got the big bag of white gloves. Amazing. Wow. more white gloves where that came from we got the big bag of white gloves amazing wow no you not used white gloves yeah they actually get their own fresh white gloves this thing really turned out it's better than what i i really didn't know if i knew what to expect pictures it's like yeah it's gold but in person and what shines it really does look like as shiny as a gold ring and i'll be honest this is not going to be something you want i don't know it's up to the winner of course i don't know if this is something you want to put on your rack this is more of a display piece it's more of a conversation piece really if you worked in an office and you had this thing

in your uh office cubicle people are really going to wonder what the hell that's about. Yes. Yes. Very cool. So submissions to the contest, you can start submitting them on the 11th. We will not take, your submission will be null and void

if you're listening to this live and you submit prior to the 11th. So you must wait until then, but you have time to, if you're listening live, if you're on our Discord crew, you're getting the early jump on this to start letting the creative juices flow

a little faster than other people. I'm excited to see what's going to come of this. This is a very worthy grand prize, I think. Yeah. This has a cash value in excess of... Boy, it would be hard to even put a cash value on this. This is worth hundreds of dollars. I mean, you know, with everything going on right now, the prices of exotic metals have to be through the roof.

I haven't been watching, but I'd imagine. This has a retail value of, I would say, upwards of $250. I don't think that's unreasonable one bit. I'm excited about that. It's amazing. We've had this for a little while and we've been waiting to uh bust it out for this occasion so yeah the gold coating goes in every letter perfectly yep it's good stuff

incredible it is incredible so that is and that hashtag again is what? Drink spotter trick shot. Yeah. And we'll have a post about it too on Monday. Right. So people know. And we'll start sharing those obviously once they come in. It's going to be good. But please, please, as with anything and especially a contest like this,

safety first, people. Be safe out there. Keep your drink spotted. Keep your drink. We do not want a lost time incident for someone slipping on a spilt beverage. Safety is no accident. No, especially not in the drink spot or trick shot challenge. Can't be having that.

Safety first. All right. We better put this back in its locked briefcase. Get the armored truck here. No, don't drop it! No! Can you imagine? I'd cry.

Can we wear the gloves the rest of the episode? They're not terrible, are they? Tanner's miming over here. He's stuck in a drink spotter. Oh, he's got a rope. Got a big ass rope. That doesn't make for very good audio content. Alright, the next 30 minutes

we're going to be doing some of our mime work. We've been practicing over here. Oh, I probably can't. Can you use your phone through this? That's not going to work. That's going to be a problem. How can I tell what's on our Oh, I probably can't. Can you use your phone through this? Oh, no. That's not going to work.

That's going to be a problem. How can I tell what's on our itinerary if I can't get to my phone? Let's see. We had a few other. Do we want to do sack segment before? Maybe we'll do the sack segment. We do have a sack segment. Let's save that for after. Okay.

Our guests. Okay. Can add a couple other topics. Maybe we could save those for later as well. Do we have any supporting members? Yeah, we can't go without a supporting our supporting members segment, of course. First thing in there,

we wanted to congratulate Big Mini. He did his Twitch Rivals meet. So he just did an actual meet here. Didn't he do like two meets in about two weeks or so? Yeah, so the second one was the Twitch Rivals meet, and he did a 546 squat, 375 bench, and a 639 deadlift. Nice. That's real good.

And then the other thing is I wanted to, with June closing, I just wanted to shout out some of the more recent people that have joined up as we've done before. Roll call, you could say. Yeah, right. So thank you for supporting Christos. Christos, thank you for being a supporting member. That's Big Christos. Christos, thank you for being a supporting member. That's Big Christos.

Actually, I forgot the prefix. Big Matt, our 17th Big Matt, thank you for joining up. Big Jesse, thank you for becoming a supporting member. Big Jesse. Big Benjamin, welcome to the supporting member

family. Welcome. Big Benjamin. Welcome to the supporting member family. Welcome. Big Lee. Hello. Thank you for joining our supporting team. Big Jacob. Thank you for supporting. Big Justin. Thank you for joining the team. Big Matt. Oh my. What?

Two Big Matt. Two Matts in that period of time. Yeah. Big Matt. And then more recently, uh, big Ashley. I believe that's a woman getting some women. Yeah. We like that.

Uh, the old, uh, chocolate chips in the cookie there. And then, uh, big Ethan, thank you for joining the supporting membership family.

Great stuff. So that is our supporting our supporting member segment. If you don't know what that was, we were talking about every week. It's a relatively new segment to the podcast where we shout out some of our supporting members that they've chosen to support us. So we like to support a few of them back each week via that segment. And if you would be interested in finding out more about a supporting

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you holding the excel box tenor yeah that's funny uh and you can um get just like what they're doing you get to watch the podcast live and chat you know chat with them about stuff so that's kind of cool too so thank you supporting members. All right, should we get our guest on? One thing first. I want to tell you about something else real quick. Okay, okay. Probably our Discord crew would benefit from hearing this as well. I think so. This is The Strength Company.

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Now should we get our guest on the phone? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Should we say bye to the Discord? Yeah, see you suckers. Bye Discord. All right. Should we do it too?

See if we can find Big John. Turn your phone on right now. Yep. Got to crank this thing up. All right. Should we do it too? See if we can find Big John. Got your phone. Turn your phone on right now. Yep. The old got to crank this thing up. Battery just doesn't last. Were phones ever like this?

I don't know if they ever had a hand crank. Like maybe steam powered or something. Okay. oh hello big john is that you it is what's up oh excellent you're live on the mass comics podcast with tanner and tommy what's up john how's it going really good good now. Oh, now it is. So first things first, could you tell us kind of how you got your start into lifting? You know, that's a really loaded question. I don't think anyone's ever actually asked you that. We come out with the hard questions right away. To really get to the root of that, I think we have to go all the way back to the beginning

and start with the signing of the, I think we have to go all the way back to the beginning and start with the signing of the magnet card at 1215. And, you know, I think we can, how much time do you guys have? We've got all the time in the world to find out how you got your start into lifting.

But now we're not going to ask you that. Do you ever, do you kind of get sick of like answering that kind of question? but now we're not going to ask you that. What did it, do you ever, do you kind of get sick of like answering that kind of question? Yeah. I remember you guys were saying that, uh, you thought,

um, I was like totally not into the first, uh, first time I was on this. It was because it's because like every time I do a podcast, it's always like the same question. So then when I like, I was on it the first time I was very like surprised like oh this is actually a really fun podcast to be on

you know i think our thing is we like to get people like we like to talk to people that lift you know that are into power lifting that are into strength sports and stuff like that but then it's kind of more fun to talk to them about other stuff not lifting right it's like oh they all they do is put lifting online talk about lifting like you kind of know about the lifting side of things you don't know about the other stuff they got going on yeah for sure i 100 agree with that it's a lot more fun yeah we were talking um or just before we started recording earlier today about uh when we were in kansas for, let's see, that was a showdown meet, right? Yeah. And you lifted there.

And we were out at one of the bars. What was the name of that bar? We talked about it. Chicken and a Pickle? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were there and we had to bring up. Oh, we had all.

At this point, it was getting pretty late it'd been a long day you know we had all consumed some drinks and we're having a good time and yeah that was pretty yeah i think i think it was it was probably getting about one o'clock and i think we cornered you and we're like oh john remember when on the podcast we were talking about that one guy from the making a murderer documentary and you're like, Brendan Dassey? And then you're like, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, we got you to do the

Brendan Dassey impersonation. I almost I was going to answer the phone when you called. In the Brendan Dassey. No one's going to remember that. That was 2019 or whatever.

Any real fan will remember. Yeah. Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah, so did you get a new whip over there, it looked like? I did. I got a Corvette upgraded. So how are you liking that?

I'm loving it. I just got it past 500 miles, so it's broken in i can open it up nice did you have did i did i see did you have a core or a camaro before that yeah i had a camaro so does this feel like a big upgrade from that yeah so um i've been i'm the c8 and then one of my friends had it for a while. And I was kind of like, ah, the horsepower is around the same. Is it really that big of an upgrade? And then he let me drive it, and I was blown away by it.

I mean, even from an acceleration power standpoint, it's way different? Yeah, because with the Camaro or a Mustang, it's a front engine so like you kind of have to ease into accelerating but with the corvette basically just takes off with all the weights in the back okay yeah so you just okay yeah yeah yeah how'd you just how how did you uh decide color i actually went for the like to look at a silver one and then they had the red one but so the silver was a 1lt it was a 2022 but the uh red one was a 3lt and it was about 10k more but it had a better sound system and a bunch of other features uh and I thought it looked better so I ended up getting that one yeah red is kind of the classic Corvette color is it yeah it's the Corvette color

for sure so yeah very happy with it so is anyone giving you like heat for like having a Corvette like saying it's an old man's car or anything I did get a few comments that were like wow early for your midlife crisis I don't know that that's the case on

the new C8 Corvette I don't think it is I mean we've talked we've talked about the C8 Corvette quite a bit, like Tommy and I have back and forth, and they've really turned that into a... I mean, it's a supercar. It has a way more exotic feel. Right, right. Yeah, I mean, definitely.

It does feel a little like cheap man's Ferrari, but I don't give a shit. Well does feel like a little, like, cheap man's Ferrari, but I don't give a shit. Well, compared to a Ferrari, it is cheap, so it's... Exactly. So was it hard to find one? I mean, is there, like, good availability on those, or is it tough to track it down? No, it was actually very easy. So Andy was looking at getting a new car, and he was talking about his trading value on his.

So I just decided to look at the trading value on my Camaro and it was $27,000 and I paid $32,000 for it. That was way more than I thought I was going to get. Within eight hours of me seeing that, I had the

Corvette. This is a quick decision then. Yeah. Impulse bought a $100,000 car. That's how you should do it. Is that your daily driving car then? Is that what you drive to work and stuff?

No, I have a Chevy Silverado. Classic. You're really keeping the Midwest vibe alive out there with a Silverado and a Corvette. I know, right? Gotta represent out here. There's probably a lot less Silverados

driving around there than there is in Wisconsin and South Dakota where it's every other vehicle on the road. There's a lot more Teslas and Beezos out here. What are they trying to do? Save the environment or something? Ugh. What's it ever done for me

that's right no that's cool that's I guess the running joke everyone is like oh spending those power lifting winnings I saw that comment like seven times on their post I know right oh you're not wrong yeah I think yeah the I know, right? I'm like, oh, you're not wrong.

I think, yeah, the hybrid basically was the down payment. Yeah. We had a funny question. This came up on a podcast several months ago. I think it was a question someone submitted to us. It was a very odd question that we analyzed at the time and now we made note of it and we figured we had to ask you when you had you on the show. The question was

that we got submitted was who would win in a jumping contest between John Hack and Jessica Bittner? I think I would. I've never seen her jump but I think I would. I've never seen her jump. I think just like assuming like biology, I could jump.

I don't know. Maybe she is a freak athlete, so maybe I'm wrong. So what we were talking about, so the question was just a jumping contest. So there's a lot of different jumping competitions. So it could be a standing high jump, you know, just a standing vertical test. I think you'd probably be hard to beat in that one, I'm guessing. I mean, do you feel like you have a decent vertical? I think I'm like around 30 inches or something like that.

So that's probably going to be tough. But then maybe it's like a track official long jump or triple jump. Have you ever done either of those before? I did long jump in middle school. So you're probably pretty good there too. But there could also be a standing broad

jump. So I don't know. Yeah. It might be hard for her to win, though. I don't know. So we did, like, the Gym Olympics thing for a little bit, and we did a 100-meter dash, and I literally, like, pulled my hamstring. So maybe I will pull my hammy on the first jumping thing and then scratch the rest of them well

that's because maybe it is I suppose if it's like a decathlon of jumping events and longevity is part of it then too that's I guess what I'm picturing now when someone says a jumping competition you gotta test all right there's a running tag whoever wins like the most out of the five or six events yeah yeah like I feel like I think if it's like a two-legged jump, I would win, but I have really bad balance. I think she would win a one-legged jump or something of that sort. It could be worth playing it out to really find out for sure.

You know what? Hey, you've heard it here first. I challenge Jess Bednar to a choppy competition. I want to see this go down now. I think the world wants to see that go down. Alright. You figure out the events and we'll make it happen. What if we all have to go to Canada to do it though?

Would you still be in? I am supposed to go there in August. This just keeps getting better i know uh it's in uh edmonton which is probably like right north of you guys yeah and she's in saskatoon i believe i think that's kind of north just like north of montana right right uh so what are you going there for? You're not lifting there or something, are you? No, they're bringing me out for, they're doing a big meet there. So the company's bringing me out to do a meet and greet there.

Did you go to North Dakota recently for a meet? Yes. Oh, yeah. Was Ed at that one too? Who was it? No, I guess they like, I think that gym, they run two meets a year and I went to the other one.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So what'd you, how was a North? I mean, you're no stranger to, did Andy go with go to,

or was it just you or? Uh, yeah. Andy went to, uh, how'd he like North Dakota? I don't think he like hated it. I think like Joe and,

um, Brianni did not care for it that much what time of year did you go was that like February it was pretty chilly yeah Dickinson's out there too yeah there was not much to do I thought okay I thought this was hilarious

but it's also pretty bad their high school team is their mascot is the Midgets. They're like the dwarves. It just blows my mind. That's still insane. Yeah, I'm like, it's 2022. How are you guys getting away with this? And I think they told me that they got sued for it

by some group. They ended up winning, so they get to keep the name The Door. I'm surprised they're hanging on to it that hard. It's just a high school. Maybe we should change this up. This may be a bad look. It's a cooler name you could come up with anyway. That's the worst mascot.

They must be the people competing in that 114 pound weight class that we were talking about the other week. Could be. Oh. Yeah. We wanted to ask you about so everyone's got like a lot of people have like a particular gym fit. You know a particular

look when they're in the gym. Yeah. And we think you have a a particular gym fit you know a particular look when they're in the gym yeah and we think you have a very particular uh you're kind of like a style icon right i do like to think of myself as the like the gucci of powerlifting well how would you describe like if you're going to the gym we we kind of have an idea in our heads of what you're usually wearing. How would you explain your typical lifting attire? Like a vibrant top or bottom. One of them is like a brighter color, and then the bottom is usually like a gray or black track pants,

and then some Jordans and a hat. You've kind of usually always got the hat and your top a lot of the times is a tank top. More often than not, it's a 100%. I'll rock a tank top in the middle of

winter in Wisconsin. So that is like your go-to all the time is a tank top? Pretty much, yeah. Has it always been that way? Or did you wait until you got more jacked? It was cutoffs in high school. And then I remember my first time wearing a tank top to the gym. I felt like the biggest tool.

And now it's all I wear. They've kind of gone full circle. I was so self-conscious that day. I was such a douche with this thing. And now I just don't. And I am still a douche. Actually, I think more tools would turn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if it really is. At Tinktime, it feels like it's gotten a lot more socially acceptable in the last five years or so. I'll agree with that. I think so, too. Yeah, and then you usually always wear a hat, too. Yeah, got that

receiving hairline. LeBron James. Yeah. When are you competing next do you know do you have a meet picked out in the future yeah three and a half weeks out from American Pro so what is the American Pro then like where

where is that and who's competing that one is in Virginia okay I don't know Who's competing? That one is in Virginia. Okay. Ellington? I don't know. It's a pretty good roster, but I think the top sleeve guys are myself and Zach Myers.

I can't remember who else is on the list. And then the reps are going to be Chad Penson, Blake Lehu. I don't know where that could be. I don't want to look at that. So is there a decent cash prize at this one? I think it's okay. I don't think it's like hybrid or Not enough for another down payment

on another Corvette. No, no. Might have to settle for some cosmetics on it or something. Maybe a wrap or something. I'm excited for it because did you guys watch the Virginia Pro

and the USAPL? Is it the same dude running it or same dude running it or same people running it that run that? I believe so. Everyone says they put on a really good meet with that, I think, is from what I've heard before.

That is what I've heard, too, and I saw the videos for it and that was what kind of drew me into it because I was like, oh, I want to... Is that with all the video boards and everything behind you? Yes. Yeah, that does look like a really cool lifting environment.

Yeah, I think it'll be nice to feel like a professional athlete or something. Have it actually be a production. That's... Well, I'm wondering with the big meets again it it kind of goes in waves where it seems like oh yeah everyone's really getting their shit together and like we're

heading towards these big meets where all the big uh biggest lifters are coming to the same ones and then like a couple of them will fade you know a couple of the meets or directors or whatever it doesn't work out like it's planned and then guy that was running it, now a different guy runs it and it's the same meet but it's a different name and it's kind of lost all the whatever's built up. I think it's because you don't make

money, you lose a ton of money on it so it's not sustainable. And then it's a lot of work too so you get burned out to lose money. Well right, it's a lot of work, too. So just you get burned out to lose money. Well, right. It's like the showdown meet in Kansas City. Like from our perspective, it was cool.

It was cool having a booth there. And there was a lot of big lifters there. You know, like there was a lot of people that were worth watching. And I don't know. Maybe I don't know what your take is. It seemed like it ran smoothly and stuff. But still at the same time, there's not that many people there. Like we go to a local meet and there's just about that many people there

spectating. Like there's no way that like, there's not a way to, for the, for that to pay out for them to be able to pay out decent prizes to the winners and still bring money in. For sure. And I think like,

that's kind of what I like about USAPL Nationals where they have the prime time session a lot of people complain about them having like a thousand lifters signed up well Nationals is really just the prime time and then everyone else becomes a spectator for that

they get to compete, like you're going to compete at Nationals which is cool but it really just brings in more people into the venue to watch the top guys. And I think that plays really well into growing a sport. Yeah, for sure. Do you, talking about the USAPL, and obviously that's where you lifted prior to going untested,

you know, obviously that's where you lifted prior to going on tested. And, you know, it's, you can't say that you didn't make the right choice because you've gone on tested and you've been, you know, like basically the bet, you know, if there's every meet you go to, there's a real good chance that you're going to be the money winner and the overall winner of it. Like, is there any part of you though, that for, I don't know, not money reasons, but just whatever other reasons that you're like,

I wonder what it would have been like if I would have just stayed there. Is there any part of you that's interested in that? I mean, yeah, I've honored that every once in a while, but I've never regretted my decision. The only thing that would make me regret it is if Palo Alto United did get into the Olympics. I'm still within a competitive age. Yeah. I could see that. We probably don't have to worry about that.

Yeah, that's the thing. And then I remember like, oh, that's not going to happen. Yeah, I don't have to worry about that. I don't feel bad. Back to reality. Were you on the Two white lights podcast here not too long ago yes okay what do you think I mean I know there's a lot of reasons and things that would probably stick out but what do you think is the the most apparent thing that makes us better than them.

And you only have to say like one or two or three. Yeah, we don't need a huge list. You're taller. That's quite a bit taller, yeah. Can't even debate that one. Well, Steve's pretty tall. Yeah, yeah, for relative to shorter people, he's fairly tall.

Plus, you were on Workaholics. Right. Claimed a fan there. You have a much more extensive IMBD profile. My Wikipedia page is pretty extensive. Yeah.

We're rolling with it. I like the over under more than fuck mary kill as well i think um fuck mary kill is not bad but i think over under has more like uh it's more class has a little more classic staying power sometimes you like a little more room for discussion in it too right i I agree. Actually, well, I'll say Fuck, Marry, Kill, Bill Murray, Bill Gates, and Bill Clinton was like my opener on Twitter for a while.

The Bills. That's a good one. There's a lot of things to consider there, too. Former president, one of the richest men in the world, on the other hand, one of the funniest guys ever. I would marry Bill Murray. He'd have

a lifetime full of laughs. He probably seems the most wholesome out of all those guys. He has enough money. I feel like Bill Gates' money is almost too much. Now we're weird. We can't even be like normal people. And I mean, we kind of know Bill Clinton's experience

in the bedroom, so. That's exactly what I'm like, hey, join some elite group right there. Get the fuck in. That's, that's. I think we all just solved that one together. Yeah, that's not bad. That makes sense. We're all on the same page here.

Yeah. So talking about podcasts, too, did you and Andy retire the podcast? Are you on a break or just decide where you're at with it? Yeah, basically retired at this point. I was never really big into it, and I kind of got bored with it. So maybe in the future we'll do it. But again, probably a different format. We'll see, though.

So you just want to be excited about it in order to do it, I suppose, then, whatever way it's going to be, just that you think it's fun. Yeah, exactly. I felt like it was just to be just that you think it's fun. Yeah, exactly. I felt like it was just more work at that point. Yeah. I wasn't enjoying myself. See, you just have that mentality

for like 100 and some episodes and then eventually you just break through it. Yeah, this is by the 327th episode. We don't know anything else but doing this by now. I couldn't wake up on a Wednesday and not do this. Yep, it's part of you. Oh, shit. Do I really want to end up like you guys?

That is what you've got to ask yourself. Nobody would like that. That's not good for anyone. There's a lot of downsides and no upsides just like you could be like very mediocre strength levels instead of being like one of the strongest guys in the world you could be like super like intermediate for your entire life uh but it's not bad then like no one like expects much out of you that way yeah you know you don't your expectations laurie it's a lot harder to let people down because if you go have a real bad meet, everyone's like,

oh, what's wrong? What happened to John? I knew he couldn't keep it up much longer. But with us, it's bound to happen to him. That's what you expect. Yeah. I remember at the high group, I was watching the live stream. In the warm-up groups, i was just kind of bored and like i think i missed like one lift and everyone's like he's washed up i was just like

like chill man it's like that happens you know in powerlifting right this is a sport it's not just automatic every time like things can change and go wrong. There's a lot of experts out there, though. If you do need help, you know that there's a lot of people that you can go to. You're pretty active on social media and stuff like that, and you've got a big following. Do you check most of your messages and that sort of thing? Yeah, most of them.

Do you get a lot of DMs? Yeah. Like hundreds a day or how many roughly? In my other box, it's probably like... If I post a meme, then I'll get a lot. But if it's just a normal day, maybe like 10. Okay. So you're not getting like absolutely like flooded with these things. Yeah,

no, but I see most of them. Do you get many of the dudes like hitting on you sort of thing? Like we've had people that talk about that quite a lot, but a lot of times it's the bigger, you know, Dan Bell has had some funny stories and that sort of thing. Yeah.

I found that I've always like, I feel like I'm kind of in that I'm not big enough to be in the bear category. We actually had this discussion with my gay friends. I'm an otter. Okay, so that's a specific category.

What does that entail? I think it's a little bit bigger than a twink, but not right up there. Okay. Otter. So it's like, I don't, I don't know what all goes into it. Did you ever see the South park with the otters? Kill the tabulators. I will eat your entrails off my belly. They eat on tables when they have perfectly good bellies.

Science damage. Were you at the Arnold this year? No, I wasn't. That's right. You photoshopped a picture with you with Arnold. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

That's why I was confused. Couldn't tell if you and Arnold were really just chilling or not. I wish. It'd be pretty fun, wouldn't it? Just to actually hang out with him, go out and eat with him and see what it's like when he's not in front of a bunch of people. Yeah, he's probably one of the guys. If someone's like, you can train with anyone,

I think I'd maybe pick Arnold. Oh, it'd be really fun. That's true. Yeah, we've talked about that question before and we've asked like Jim McD and Silent Mike and had them answered on their podcast before too and is that who you'd go if you could try what

what about this like they don't have to be a lifter and they don't be living or dead if you could train with anyone at all would you go with Arnold or does anyone else come to your mind I think with anyone at all would you go with arnold or does anyone else come to your mind off the top of my head i think arnold is a pretty decent choice though yeah so i think then you're going to like a get a good workout like if i'm lifting with uh like albert einstein right hey i'm gonna feel stupid as shit b he's probably gonna be doing like walking with dumbbells or something on the treadmill yeah if you're doing like whatever antique lifting thing like it's

like a swing in a club or something like that yeah i was thinking shaquille o'neal would be an interesting one for me because he is so big like part of it i want to see what can you do in the gym here like let's let's uh load up a deadlift and like can you dead in the gym here? Let's load up a deadlift. Can you deadlift 500? Also, when you bench, how high do your arms actually go? There's a video of him and Charles Barkley doing a bench off.

They used fake weights for Charles Barkley. It was really funny, actually. Shag is just like, how are you? Yeah. Probably ESPN or something. Yeah. Okay, so speaking of overrated, underrated,

we do have, of course, we prepared this special John Hack version of overrated, underrated for you. Perfect. Hit me with them. Do we need to run down the rules again for you quick i mean it's been it's been two three years since you've done this so you might be a little rusty i can't i can't ride the line exactly and actually you kind of just nailed the number one rule okay yeah

got him oh okay mr smarty pants remembers the rules over here. I remember. I'm a savant. That's a rule savant. When it comes to Masonomics rules. You can remember our one rule. Lifting and remembering Masonomics rules. Okay. Overrated or underrated

costume parties? Underrated. I think every party should be a costume party. And you've had a pretty good collection of costumes over the years, it seems like. Yeah, we have had... I actually just moved out of that house, and we're really bummed because that was the party house.

Do you have a favorite costume that you've had? One that you felt like you really nailed the look i think uh i think my runescape character one was pretty good i was pretty proud that one was um i'd wanted to do that costume for a while and finally it was like my choice to pick the theme for the party did anyone else play runescape or were you kind of like did you have to explain it to everyone? Yeah, basically. There's a couple girls there that I didn't really know and they're like, what are you?

I was like, you won't get it. I'm just going to leave my own party. I'll see myself out. Did you play a lot of RuneScape? Yeah, I actually maxed at the hybrid. Oh, so you still even play kind of recently?

Yeah, I don't anymore. I've taken a break from it. Did you start playing when you were young? Yeah, I played one in middle school. I got really into it, and then I quit. And then my roommate in college, he was, uh, taking like a gap year between undergrad and med school.

And the way his job worked was he would work a third shift, but like a nine hour shift. He would, he's, he would have like seven hours of downtime. So he just started playing with his game. And then he convinced me to start playing and it's been an addiction ever since.

Damn. That's I, I think I probably played a little bit in elementary school. Um, I don't know if I ever have 10 hours in my entire life. I had a few friends that got into it, but I don't have hardly any time on that. So you said you're kind of taking a break from it. Are you doing, doing anything? Yeah. I had a few friends that got into it, but I don't have hardly any time on that. So you said

you're kind of taking a break from it. Are you doing anything? You mean you're playing anything different now? No, not really. I kind of quit when I started making the training app. I haven't done too... I mostly just watch YouTube videos and like Hulu and stuff.

I don't know if you should be letting work get in the way of RuneScape. Well, during quarantine, I was working from home and it's pretty easy to play RuneScape and do other stuff. So it worked out very well for me. Yes.

Okay. Overrated or underrated Andy Huang underrated I would tend to agree we like Andy we've had him on the podcast before and he's a pretty fun guy yeah I think he gets

a bad rap he says he's huge but honestly he's only like 5 10 but like i get that you're trying to compensate but but deep down he's a great guy so he has a huge heart but he is probably rated pretty i think most people like andy right though like to be fair so he's rated pretty decently i think right yeah i think he's rated like a b but he's right okay that's a good uh there we go that's actually pretty good that's a really good uh is he is he lifting in the same meet as you then too? Yeah, he's doing that one and the USGA Pro. Okay.

He's looking pretty strong too, it looked like. Yeah, he's having a good prep. I think he had a little rough last weekend. A couple workouts, but back on track now. How's yours going? I guess we didn't really ask. Are you feeling good going into it? As good as you could be?

I'm feeling decent. Squat's been going really well but bench has not been the best. Deadlift is kind of right on par. It's right in the middle. I'm probably more focused on the USPA

Pro than this one. so when and where is the uspa pro then that is in that's basically the showdown okay oh so is what where's where is it in kansas city again then still yeah it's in the same venue okay and is that in like was that like september last year like Like 25th. Okay. So we have to decide if we go to that then or not, I guess. So is JP Price putting that on then still? Yes.

Okay. But it's not the showdown. It's a little different. That one dude that was kind of running the showdown is not doing that anymore, I take it? Correct. Okay. I don't remember. I just remember talking to him. Is it in the same location?

In that same building? I believe so. That building isn't bad. It's not bad. It's not great. I do not like the lighting for filming lifts. I think all the videos with all that backlighting.

Yeah, it's just a number of windows. Yeah. none of the videos of people like people posted look great i feel like yeah there was you know there's so many windows along in the morning too like when people were squatting yeah in the morning when all that light's coming in it's it's hard to see yeah so so in this virginia meet that you're doing what deadlift bar are you guys using we are using the kabuki bar so do you i i know i've seen when that first kind of came out you must have been at one and you pulled a big deadlift on that do you like that i just see people talking about it do you like that bar or what's your take on it uh i like it i know

so i i personally had the cerakote one and i I pulled on, I think, like a bare steel or something. And the bare steel is definitely better. That's what's in the meat. Like the Cerakote one, I have some grip issues with it, and it just feels a little bit off. But it takes some time to get used to. Okay. What about, like, the, you know, it wasn't Deathgrip Derek.

I saw he like maybe partially tore his hammy or something. I don't know if he was, but it almost looked like maybe he was blaming part of it on the bar. He's like, first time I've ever used this bar. Because he also shits on the squat bar. Okay. Which I disagree with. I think that's the best squat bar in my opinion. Okay. The Kab the squat bar. Okay. Which I disagree with. I think that's the best squat bar, in my opinion.

Okay. The Kabuki squat bar? Yeah. Okay. Sometimes he probably likes to just have an axe grind, I think. That could be. Yeah. Okay.

You like the bare steel version, but overall you're cool with using the Kabuki bar. Is that your preferred choice then if you had your choice for deadlift bar? Yeah, I would say so. It's kind of... It doesn't matter too much

as long as I know what bar I'm using so I can train with it. I'm happy with the Biggie bar. I know a lot of people were not as pleased with it. No, that makes sense. Overrated or underrated Star Wars? The whole Star Wars greater universe. I think we've seen you dress up as something in Star Wars before. Yeah. that's tough I will say

I personally love it but I'm gonna go with overrated that's kind of where we're at I think too it's hard to say because it is so I think it's very hit or miss there's starting to be so much of it now that it's hard to say it's because it is so i think it's very hit or miss yeah well there's

starting to be so much of it now that it's hard to it's almost saturated you know so did you watch obi-wan yeah i enjoyed it obi-wan i thought was good and i'm assuming you watch mandalorian yeah i think mandalorian is one of the best like star wars things i agree bobo was like yeah okay that was love it didn't hate it. Didn't hate it. It wasn't that. You know when it got good is when they turned it into Mandalorian Part 2 and all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is awesome again.

It's just Mandalorian now. Yeah, the first few. I feel like they didn't play off as him being like a Tusken Raider stuff very well. I feel like they could have dove into that a little bit more. Yeah.

Obi-Wan, I did... I was a little concerned after Boba Fett, but Obi-Wan now I think was pretty damn good. Plus, Vader was in it. I was going to say, the Vader fight against Reba was probably one of my favorite scenes

yeah the old Star Wars are very good for their own reasons but they can't compete with like the shit that was going on but it's weird with Vader it's like this dude's like so injured

that at times it almost seems like he walks like a statue, but then get him fighting and it's like, I can do whatever the hell I want to. I feel like his movement is... It scales to whatever he needs to do.

That makes sense, actually. Yeah. I'll also put Rogue One as one of my favorite Star Wars movies. I feel like it's very diverse. People either really like it or really

dislike it. A lot of people like it out of the... There's the last trilogy and that was Rogue One somewhat there's the last trilogy and then that was Rogue One somewhat separate from the last trilogy kind of too. Is that right? Yeah. A lot of people like it better than actually the

movies in the last trilogy, don't they? Yeah, I did not care for the... I liked New Hope. I thought it was good, but I don't know. I feel like I don't like any of the characters other than the original. Who's the bad guy in the

recent trilogy? I do like Kylo Ren. He's pretty good. Adam Driver. He was pretty good. I'll agree with that. He was definitely the best actor. I feel like...

What's his name that played Moon Knight? I can't think of it. I don't know either. He's a really good actor, but I feel like that character just kind of sucked. I know other people have talked about this, so I'm not the first person saying it, but the whole

in Obi-Wan, the whole age of people and like the timeline where like Obi-Wan and like Luke's aunt and uncle and stuff, they looked all pretty young still. Yeah, in like eight years they're supposed to be. Yeah, then all of a sudden like from the original movies, those people were oldish. You know, they looked like elderly people. It doesn't make much sense there.

I think Tatooine really ages you. You try to live in a desert with three moons or three suns? Yeah. And no sunscreen? You age quick. It's not great for your skin. No. Okay.

Okay, last overrated, underrated topic, and this one's kind of worth all the marbles, so everything comes down to this one. Overrated or underrated bucket hats? Underrated. What do you have? How many bucket hats do you have, do you think? I think I have five right now.

I think I got rid of a few when I moved. There was a couple that I was kind of like, I don't really wear these ones. I have a small head, so I need a smaller bucket hat and a few of them. Just the brim's too big. We're going to look at it right. Yeah, we've looked into making bucket hats before. It's hard to find like sourcing a good the

right bucket hat yeah yeah not as easy as you'd think you know the last time you and i think was it the last time you and andy did a meet together you guys both had the the full adidas track suits on yep with the bucket hats too do you guys have something planned for this next meet? We do. Is it under wraps for now? Yes. It's kind of playing into all the USAPL guys wearing suits. That's sort of the trend right now. I'll say we originally were going to do the dumb and dumber.

Yeah. Oh, damn. That's good. That's good. But we just, they don't not, they do not make that in Andy's size. Yeah. Right.

It's a very specific. That's a really fricking good idea though. Like if that's great. That was our, that was our way in plans. Yeah. I think whatever you do, just the idea of like kind of poking at the poking,

having a little fun with the idea of them wearing, you know, their, their suits and stuff, I think is a great idea. That's really good. That's genius. The dumb and dumber orange and blue suit though would have been like the

perfect one. But I bet. Yeah. There's he yeah, Andy's not fitting into one of those blue... I need smaller friends. Which one of you would have been who would have been who though?

Does the Jim Carrey wear the orange suit? I think Jim Carrey... Yeah, he had the orange suit. I think I look better in blue and he looks better in orange. I think Jim Carrey. Yeah, he had the orange suit. Yeah. Lloyd Christmas. I think I look better in blue and he looks better in orange. I think he's probably that. Samsonite, we're way off. Good news though, it looks like you

passed overrated, underrated. I passed? Yeah, we'll get to air this episode. Perfect. Do I get another pair of shorts for that oh mate actually that's a good point you did a great job because we did a so we got a bunch of people together for our when we came out with our lift shorts three and did it did a video and we kind of we tried to give everyone a little bit of direction you know everyone you know is you ben pollock uh jessica bittner jonathan oldham a bunch of people from our discord community uh james strickland uh i don't you know we had yeah there was a lot i can't remember all grant from the strike a whole bunch of people got in on it and everyone had a different we kind of told everyone the same thing

but everyone had their different spin on it and you did really well like you put some yeah usage was great there you put some time into that it felt like uh yeah i had like there i had like three or four uh like ideas and i i finally narrowed it down to that one what was what did it say like expensive shorts monthly or something wasn't that with the uh i think it was like fancy shorts esquire like quarterly or something like that yeah but don't go around advertising to people that we gave you a pair of shorts for that well i was gonna i was gonna say that honestly the way i got the corvette was i walked in and i don't know i brought my uh i was wearing the shorts. And they were like, wow, this guy has money.

He doesn't need financing, does he? And then they saw the Camaro. We still be paying in cash. Yeah. They saw the Camaro and they're like, man, Camaro kind of shit. But to be honest, those shorts, we'll give you $3 for the Camaro. But those shorts. They're worth the $30K. We'll trade straight up the Corvette.

Actually, with the shorts and the Camaro, I got $3 back. I'm wondering who really came out ahead there, though. They now have the shorts. Those are never going down in value. I'm just picturing the dealership passing the shorts around.

Smelling them. The sisterhood of the traveling shorts. I think you guys should make a short film. A short film. Yeah, a short film. There's never too many puns about the shorts. No, they write themselves. No, you did a good job. That was really fun.

When everyone was coming in, I was sending them to Tommy and when he sent that I'm like, this is great. You got to check this out. I think we actually made you the closing video on that because we got to end with this one. I like to have fun

sometimes. Don't advertise the free shorts thing to people. We have a reputation to uphold. You can cut that part out. Clear all this up. You do pump out some pretty good memes, though, from time to time. So we always enjoy that. Oh, thank you.

I don't work that hard on them but it feels good like when you don't work that hard and it goes over you're like those are the best ones killing it usually when you work the hardest they do the worst that's to see uh i've had people be like why don't you just like become a full-on or like make a full need page i was like i can't do that i need to i just i'll either like see uh like gif or like a um a scene where i'm kind of like oh i'll save that and then like later at a certain point i'll just kind of have a spur of the moment idea to like oh that'll work let's go with that i do that all the time that is how a lot of them are it's like you just see something like this is funny this could be something and you

just kind of let it happen and that's when you get the really good ones exactly yeah like I can't you can't force it that's true it's tough when you force them that does not pan out well I've had a few of them like that yeah people know it's uh it's not a good feeling

when you think you have a funny one though and then people like it doesn't just fall flat I will agree wrong with you guys come on people when you think you have a funny one though and then people like it doesn't just fall flat i will agree what's wrong with you guys like i'm funny come on people you gotta find like kind of like a sweet spot where it's like it's not too like niche but like yep i don't know like sometimes like you can go too broad and then just like yeah if you're just like if you're just like oh sumo is dumb or you know like then it's like yeah you can't go like too generic

right yep it is finding that sweet spot because then you make it too specific and then everyone in the comments is like explain explain someone explain this to me yeah it's an art and we're all the artists uh is my paper my canvas And we're all the artists.

Mammatic is my paintbrush. My canvas. So you mentioned it briefly there, like what do you and Andy have going on? What did you come out with here recently? Like explain it to us. Yeah, so we dropped the Proven proven strength training app it's a baby we have like 90 programs on it right now like beginner intermediate advanced multiple days yeah it's great so it's what proven strength is that what you is that what like if you go to the app store or whatever,

is that what you search? So we have like a, the easiest would be just to like click on, go to like either one of our profiles and click on the link tree because to do a little workaround of paying the app store, you have to like download it externally

and then once you like sign up through that, then you can download it from the app store. Yeah, because how much would the app store take yep you have to like download it externally and then once you like sign up through that then you can download it in the app store yeah because how much would the app store take from you if you went through that it's like one it takes like one third damn yeah brick yeah so what we're all for sticking it to the man instead of it being like 50 a month it's only 2929.99. Right, right. So you're passing the savings on. People almost can't afford not to take advantage of that. Exactly.

Think of how much money you're saving by doing the app versus one-on-one coaching. In like 10 years' time, you could afford some mathematics shorts. Yeah, a down payment. That would for sure be a down payment on a pair of shorts. That just makes financial sense. It'd be stupid not to.

Okay, sweet. So we'll have people check that out. Anything else we need to tell everyone? No. I don't think I have anything else. Do you have anything else you need to tell anyone? We just want to tell people, uh, make sure to check out, uh, follow our friend John Hack on Instagram.

Go look out for his memes. Yeah, no, that's cool. We'll be, uh, we'll be rooting for you next meet and hopefully we run into you again. Who knows? Maybe Kansas city, maybe in Ohio next year at the Arnold. I'm sure we'll see you somewhere and we'll have a good Brendan Dassey laugh wherever it's at.

Dickinson or Edmonton so we can do our jumping competition. We'll get Jessica on the horn after this and get the logistics all nailed down on that. Perfect, perfect. Could you close out with maybe a Brendan Dassey voice?

Oh, I don't watch the shows a lot. I try to think, oh, I don't know. I don't know if I can. Alright, guys, I gotta leave. I gotta watch WWE. Put the smackdown on.

Alright, see you, John. Thanks. Thanks, Alright. See you, John. Thanks. Thanks, John. See you guys. Thank you. Bye-bye. when we brought it up in like 2019. Yeah, then it was old. Now in 2022, there's probably people listening that have never watched. Definitely people that have never even heard of Making a Murderer. They're like, who the hell are you even talking about? That's true.

Isn't that weird? Is Making a Murderer like 10 years old or is it not that old? It was right when, this is how I remember it. It was right when the first gym opened. So what was that, 2015? Because you had a picture of Ross working out and you said Making an Arm Murderer when he was doing doing dips or something yeah that's why i always remember it

because i hadn't seen it yet then yeah and uh big big ross making an arm murderer that's uh i'm making myself laugh with my old joke from uh seven years ago man that was so funny i knew what i was doing but that is the thing netflix a lot of their shows are kind of a flash in the pan you know they get like tiger king take over the country a little bit for just uh for maybe a month at the most yeah and then they're just gone like the world moves on or hunger uh not hunger games but you know the show like what was that movie with the games it was in dubbed because oh yes uh see i can't even remember the name game yes yeah scooty game yeah i could not remember the name of that and there was like

a year ago everyone like that was the couldn't that broke like every streaming record they had yeah and then tiger king too like those are some of the heavy hitters but they do just kind of disappear they do yeah i bet there's people that are like what's making like i've just said three shows and i've only heard like one or two of those yeah yeah making a murder was one of the early ones of those uh it was really yeah like blew up the cold case thing or not even cold case just the even like the streaming uh but even just like streaming online binge watching shows through like a streaming provider, like a new show binging that they just put all to streaming right away that you can just,

because that wasn't coming out like weekly or anything. No, that's how Netflix is always. Netflix has always dumped the whole thing out once. But yeah, that really felt like to me, that was the big first murder mystery one that really, really got people's attention. Yeah. Then just shit gets overplayed, just like everything ever,

and then all of a sudden you don't like that stuff anymore. It does get kind of weird when you just start to get immune to just, oh yeah, just bad things happen to people all the time. Okay. I guess it just happens everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Okay, what did we have i knew there was something oh we have a sack segment we got to get to that for sure um first before that before that or after that should we do sack segment next i just i had also something really

important i wanted to tell everyone about um the'll do the sack segment. Okay, we'll do the sack segment first. Okay. People want to know what's in this sack. Yeah, there's a sack. I want to know what's in this sack. So first I'm going to hand you that right there. And I'm not even sure. Utes, the crab chip, potato chips with Chesapeake Bay crab seasoning.

So this is a special package from Big Briscoe. And I've already read this. I think with what's here, I think he's all right with me reading the note. It's always questionable if people want their notes read or not. How from the heart and private it is. Right. Because some are pretty. And like if they want to share in the pictures, the intimate pictures they send us to.

The physical dick pics that they send along with it. I love tuning into your podcast during my long commute to work. Here's an Old Bay care package. Old Bay is a sacred thing here in Maryland, and I love getting other people to try it who may have never had it. It goes great on chicken, popcorn, French fries, blue raspberry-flavored pre-workout, eggs, and the hot sauce is great for chicken wings if you like those.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks for making lifting lighthearted and fun. It's a good note. It's a really good note for Big Briscoe. So we got to crack into these right now then? So just the quick story on that. Oh, we got more? Yeah, let me give you so here is old bay hot sauce i feel like i've just seen this before that's what i saw consciously

i don't think this really exists around here but i think this is one of those it's like when you see all the pizzerias and they have that yellow uh can of the tomatoes and it's like you're right you just it's part of that's what your brain associates with things um old bit so we each got one of those awesome and then i think this is kind of the the oh the really centerpiece of this year is in here the old bay seasoning yeah and um i'm curious to try this i'm most interested in trying this. And like you said, this is a big deal in Maryland. Are you going to give it the sniff test? Oh, it's sealed up.

I don't really... Yeah. That's the hassle of breaking the seal off. I am excited to... There was also a second bag of chips, but the box came... The box, you know, this was in a white USPS box, and the outside had gotten very greasy, the outside of the box. The other bag of chips had, like, broken open inside of there.

And the grease from the chips had soaked, like, all the way through the cardboard. So you haven't had a chip yet then? No, no. Well, I feel like we should have one. Yeah, and I only really want probably, like, one or two to try anyway, so you can keep the rest around and your wife can test them out. So these are the crab chip. You know what else is big in Maryland, Tanner?

No. The wire. Oh, of course. Baltimore. Yeah, yeah. It's a city in Maryland. The wire. Is that that new show on...

That new show from 2002 on HBO. All right, so what do we got here exactly? So I know what I'm, is this crab flavored? It's the crab chip potato chip with Chesapeake Bay crab seasoning. So it's just, it's good.

I could eat a whole bag of these for sure, but it's just like a chip with like kind of seafood seasoning on it. Yeah. I like chips. I do like chips, so. I do not almost ever eat chips i don't either no i don't really tortilla chips i can pound tortilla chips but um i do find these good

they're just like really salty yeah a little extra just a little different flavor right i like that though a little bit of zing like just the slightest bit of zing on there. It's got me pretty hopeful for this hot sauce and this seasoning in here. I'm more curious about these just because I'm not that much of a chip guy. I'm more curious about these little numbers. No, I'm good on the chips. That was Big Briscoe? Yeah, Big Briscoe.

Is that right? Thank you, Big Briscoe. I'm big brisco i'm just gonna verify for this yep big brisco didn't want to say it wrong okay so that's super cool beans then another thing i wanted to talk to you and i wanted to talk i really i've been meaning to have this conversation with you for a while tommy um well well what i wanted to talk to you about this is really important are you sitting down for this um yeah uh let me sit down actually i've been standing up for the last hour and a half in the corner behind you okay now you can sit down like it's like it felt a little awkward but i wasn say anything. It's like that time when we were having,

Ryan was having his bachelor party at Chris's house, and after like 30 minutes of Ryan sitting behind you and you talking to him, like looking over your shoulder, you're like, you know, I'm actually just talking to you, and you're behind me. You guys are like having a conversation. And he was like sitting directly behind me. You were both facing the same direction with him behind you, and that's it, guys.

That's right. And after a while, I'm like, you know what? This isn't a comfortable. This isn't a comfortable. Maybe it's easier if I'm not looking away from you while we're talking. It has been a little awkward that you've been standing over my corner. Yeah, I'm going to have one last chip and sit down now, Tanner. Okay.

So what I really wanted to talk to you, I've been meaning to talk to you about this, is the Juggernaut AI training app. I actually wanted to talk to you about this, too. talk to you about this is uh the juggernaut ai training app i actually wanted to talk to you about this too okay good we're on the same page here then we both actually did want to talk to you about this so now you're not just being sarcastic like i've been for the last five minutes no i'm actually leaving the corner to come sit down and talk to you about this because i want to talk about it too uh no we've both been uh using the juggernaut ai app for quite some time and we're

we're on concurrent weeks right now even where are we both on week 13 of uh our juggernaut ai training and um um it's been going well for me like my training's been going great i've actually been really enjoying my training you know um been hitting some decent numbers relative to where i've been at at where i've been at in training lately and uh i no doubt part of that is because of the juggernaut uh ai app that we've been using yeah i like i don't want to use hyperbole when i like talk about this but i would say that the juggernaut app is the best thing that's happened to my training in like the last four years like easily like that i have had just a really tough time i mean i've had like some injuries so i've had like a hard time like stringing together like uh yeah just stringing

together any type of anything more than just a couple of good workouts. Right. It's just like always was just like one step forward, four steps back. Yeah. Yeah. And then when you're not making any momentum, it's like, well, where the hell do you even start to?

And I mean, not that, uh, I don't, part of it was luck, I guess just juggernaut. I, it hit at the right time and things were going good,

but I also put in really low conservative numbers. And for 13 straight weeks it's just gone up and up and up and up and up and um like today i did my top set so i'm in strength block here yep and uh finally hitting sets of four after doing sets of eight and six and yeah oh it feels good to get back to sets of four but yeah my top set for squat this today was uh i did my first set of four at 355 which it's nothing i mean i've squatted way more than that relative to your best but i've talked about that before it's not you can't yeah when you're at different points in training you can't get stuck on comparing yourself to maybe your best yes and that that's and that takes a long time

to get out of because like yeah i've squatted 550 pounds before and so it's like well 355 or 350 is like nothing but i'm doing it and it's feeling like a six and a half seven rpe yeah and i'm feeling and you haven't done that much in it's been years it's been years just because everything always feels shitty and it feels good like i'm getting done with the workouts feeling fresh i feel like i actually worked my muscles and i'm not in pain yep and uh yeah like i left my i my top set was like 350 and my other my back off sets were 330 and every one of them felt so easy like yeah and it wasn't that many months ago where squatting in the threes again comfortably seemed impossible it didn't seem doable even so i could already like i can just feel this momentum coming and i'm excited now to go back in the gym and like my bench is moving really good again like my bench

is like i can start to see like i could see by the end of the year getting close to as good as my bench has ever been i think that that is within reach yeah uh you know bigger numbers just take bigger time like with squat and deadlift like it just takes longer to get to those right that makes sense um yeah i'm just it's i'm excited and hopeful and feeling good about the gym and the app is nice as a log to reference the history of your lifts i'm just i'm just pumped for lifting right now yep and that's thanks to juggernaut ai so and i would say that's not a paid ad i mean it is a paid ad but i'm also saying those things because i do believe you're really saying that i mean all of that is and i'm you know i'm here i'm i'm also half the party's getting paid out of this so we're also i'm also extremely biased myself but i can vouch that you're just you know that that's true what you're saying is a true thing that

you're you're saying and i another thing i couldn't even believe like part of this isn't just the app it's like eating too but my wife showed me a picture the other day i need to just post this of me holding my son when he was born he was born like two years ago right just over two years ago and i'm like oh who is that skinny guy because that was right when covid was like at its peak of scariness and we had a newborn baby come in so i wasn't really going to the gym like that was probably the least i had been lifting in like the last 10 years yeah and i probably at most weighed 190 pounds probably right around 190 and i in my head i look so skinny and small and then i'm i'm looking at a picture myself now and i'm like damn i'm actually kind of feeling big again for the first time in a long time yeah not big really but compared to then, I feel like I am big. So all good things. Yeah.

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there is some things on there i didn't know if you wanted to hold off on those or not i suppose we could wait okay okay i guess i'll have to show up next week and find out there's a bit of tiktok something on there i don't know what that's about i barely know what it's about to be honest i was hoping i could bring it up and you'd know more about it than i do. Maybe once you get into the details, maybe I know more. I mean, do we want to have a 10, 15-minute conversation about that? We're only an hour 45 in. It's only 10, 20 p.m. All right.

Should we talk about it then? Sure. We've read all of our ads. We had our guests on. This is practically bonus material. We did our sack. I would say, again, before we forget, make sure to get involved in the Drink Spotter contest, especially if you have a Drink Spotter.

Yeah, get in on that. You know, the great thing about this contest is you don't have to know your way around making memes. You don't have to do any on-screen acting. You don't even have to hardly see your face on there. You don't even have to show your face in it. So this is a really easy one to get involved in if you don't like to be the limelight. You don't like to put your acting skills on display So this is a really easy one to get involved in. If you're,

if you don't like to be the limelight, you don't like to put your acting skills on display. Right. This is the one to do. Yeah, for sure. But I guess what I just had written down was a tick tock security. And so, I mean,

this isn't a new, new thing. I've just, it's been, I've seen it more in the limelight just as of recent again you know the issues with how the app can steal your private data yeah and how it's you know at its core was a Chinese owned company and how you know maybe not only can they see all their debt your data but they're really maybe pushing the envelope on some stuff that some

other companies aren't doing even like going above and beyond on some of like facial recognition oh sure to like like what exactly all are they doing and like this is also kind of maybe like a tinfoil hat i don't know actually i don't know is this is that a tinfoil hat conspiracy thing or is it a legitimate concern that we should be concerned about i don't actually know the answer to that. What do you think? It's tricky. Like, I mean, because you don't want to be like the old person that's like, oh, kids these days.

Right. Because at one point it's, oh, kids and their damn colored televisions, and then kids and their video games. The internet. Kids and their vulgar music. Yeah, kids and the internet. Kids and in their video games and the internet kids the internet kids in their vulgar music and then kids on the internet kids in their violent video games like it's like okay like every generation just complains about kids these days you do almost wonder though like i mean we're talking about a medium that is made to like made to be like as addictive as possible to the extreme to the point where i mean we're talking most of the stuff goes for like seconds

you know yeah and it's like it has to catch your attention in seconds and if it can't then it gets passed up so you know like movies no movies designed to catch your attention in seconds a lot of movies don't catch your attention till an hour in you know right right uh so i mean there's one that standpoint of just yeah just this whole attention span thing and i don't work with kids or anything but people do complain and say that yeah kids attention spans are like getting shot like they can't pay attention to anything now because they're starting to be conditioned to like just boom boom boom boom boom boom next thing go go go and i can see that logic but is that just a case

of people being like yeah i don't know like that's a i think that's kind of maybe i could see how that one could be more of a boogeyman thing right seems like you could conduct some experiments and like actually get to the bottom of that one but um then looking at the what's actually going on right that's what i'm really wondering about like i am curious because like the way phones work you can't just do i guess maybe it's a little different on an android phone but like apple does have some pretty tight security things in are they doing something that's coming in through some back door that we don't know about maybe but it also seems crazy that apple wouldn't know about it either right and if apple doesn't know about it

or if the apple found it like i would imagine they're going to do whatever they can to stop it. I mean, Apple, like what did they tank like 8 billion off of Facebook's market price just because of their ads. So like, they're not afraid to say no to people. But at the same time,

like Apple does most of their manufacturing in China. So they don't want to upset China either. Like there's some complications there. I don't know. Like the facial, I guess the facial tracking they could just be scanning all their own stuff and seeing it well um what uh you know and i've seen this of course and people talk about it and it's the china and element adds something else to it yeah

because that's like well are they really doing anything that facebook's not doing it's like i don't know probably not but it's also like, Oh, Zuckerberg harvesting and ruining all my stuff. He'll he's American. Right, right, right. At least he's destroying us from the inside. He's not an outside force.

Right. Yeah. But I thought it was interesting. You know, I work at a fairly, a multi-billion dollar company. Our head of IT in a meeting had basically said... Oh yeah, don't put these on your phone.

Yeah, be careful about having this on your phone or your kids even having this on their phone and not because of the issue of is this form of media? But just the security issues. Because I think Congress was grilling what they're taking here you know just didn't they security issues because i think the like congress was uh grilling whatever you know like the i don't know grilling i don't know who they were grilling like if it was like part of the tiktok ownership or whatever the america you know like us like answer yeah something like about like these security issues that they're like particularly concerned about but i'm also like about like these security issues that they're like particularly concerned about.

But I'm also like, yeah, do these congressmen actually know? Oh, they don't know. Right. They're like, right. I mean, they're probably no less about it than I do. They're notoriously bad about anything. Obviously, politicians are the worst in general. But then to expect them to know anything technical, like how a computer works is just beyond like

their skill set. But I think maybe as of late, that was there was more conversation about it. about it yeah and i did i did see some headlines popping up of but it was more just the headlines of oh yep they're harvesting all this data from american people and then also their algorithm can be used to push you know push the direction for how they want a whole nation to be influenced which i don't i don't discredit that one for a second like yeah if they i mean the same thing facebook and instagram can do and i mean we don't discredit that one for a second. Like, yeah, if they, I mean the same thing Facebook and Instagram can do. And I mean, we don't really complain about the algorithm that much other than like,

Hey, show more massonomics. Well, that's what I was gonna say. I complained about our posts not getting it. Yeah. Like that's the extent of our complaint about the algorithm. But yeah,

I mean, that's a really easy way to influence it. Like, and people want to say, Oh, I'm not influenced. It's like, yeah.

Until like they find one thing that really gets your attention and then they bombard you with that all the time and now whether it's something you find polarizing or just women dancing naked in front of the camera it's like yeah they're entering your psyche whether you know it or not whether you don't you don't want to admit it but they are having a play in it um yeah i think it's uh but i think where people are holding up though is maybe potential legislation on them is if something starts to happen to them, well, then Facebook's going to be like, well, then that's just going to come down to us and that's going to hurt our ad revenue. Right.

And Google's going to be like, well, our entire business model is built around ad revenue and that could potentially hurt us. And Apple is kind of in a different boat because they still make a lot of their money from hardware, but also like those apps need to be existing and going. Five of the biggest corporations in the world that are like, yeah, we don't really like that. Can we not do that? So like, OK, then, yeah, maybe we just won't do anything. And I feel like, yeah, I mean, the government's incapable of getting anything done anyways.

Like that's not a however you stand. I think everyone would agree with that statement. It's bipartisan. Nothing can happen. So I think that's what's going to happen is nothing can happen. I mean, we could literally find out that China knows everything about you. And they'd be like, well, yeah, but maybe I don't know if we can do anything about this.

Well, and I don't know that this is the right line of thinking, but sometimes I think, what if they do know everything like even if they know everything about it maybe like sometimes i'm like this probably isn't the right line of thinking but it's a thought i have sometimes i'm like well so what like that's certainly some something someone would say i mean it is you just say like oh but once you know enough like doesn't it make it really easy to pull the levers to start to do what yeah do things that influence a lot of really dumb people whether they think they're being

influenced or not um yeah i think that's probably the bigger problem because yeah how much privacy do people really have now like i don't know it seems like if they wanted to know something about you specifically like it's just funny when you watch like the first 48 what does the cop do when they got to solve the mystery first thing they do is start looking up everyone on facebook it's like yeah no one's no one's secretive anymore you can find people so easy it's right and you can know everything about them and who they're associated with and who their friends are and unless you're one of those rare people that's never had a social media account or online presence at all which is becoming harder and harder to do so i mean i don't think it's good that major corporations know everything about you and all your details but it seems to be that the

world we're in right now you don't really have that as an option to opt out true that's kind of true it is like you don't really you don. Not if you want to participate in. Modern day society. Exactly. Yeah. Like, yeah, you don't want. Take measures to. Yeah. But if you like, yeah, if you don't want to watch, if you don't want to have Netflix subscriptions

and have any social media and have any online accounts. Yeah. You're probably fairly hard to track, but also you're living in 1995. Yeah. Not that there's anything wrong with 1995, but when the rest of the world's living in 1995. Yeah. Not that there's anything wrong with 1995, but when the rest of the world's living in 2022, like you're kind of... 95 did have some good movies and music.

No, and I'm not debating that at all. Like, yeah, there's some merits to that. And I think a lot of people would love to live there, but that's not the world we live in. And also, yeah, try to partake in the modern world without a smartphone. Well, and that's what I think. Even people that think that they're like no i'm not participating in that that stuff i think you're probably not everyone some people probably are pretty off the

grid but like most of the people they're still actually even if they're taking some measures they're still doing quite a bit of stuff that is popping up on those yes whether and whether it's it could just be whether you think you're off the grid oh i don't have accounts anywhere like what about your bank you know but also your isp knows all the websites you're going to and they sell that information to people like they might anonymize it somehow but you're okay maybe you're hiding it behind a vpn but even the to that there's extents that they can figure that stuff out so yeah um yeah i think people are kind of living in a bubble if they think they're i think they're being secretive in any way really in this day and age you got to go to some crazy lengths to to just stop that but

back to tiktok though yeah it's probably bad probably pretty bad yeah yeah it seems like maybe that's it seems like yeah it's bad, but nobody's really going to do anything. I don't think that. Well, and the other like Instagram, I've heard I've seen and heard things, people saying that they think the Instagram algorithm is trying to change to just be more like TikTok to to change to be less of. Here's what you follow. Here's what you should look at. And more of. Oh, no.

Here's what we want to show you. Here's what I want to show you. And like my feet to show you and like my feed i have to do you have it in your feed i always pop up where um it'll just like every third pulse turns into a recommended thing like it's not your feet because you uh yeah because you watched this one reel yeah or because you follow something yeah yeah and it's like oh no i got tagged in that reel so i went to go see it like i didn't intentionally watch that right but now you think i want to see this so and then it'll make like every third post about that and you have to hit the little button in the corner like don't show me recommendations and then give it two weeks and then they're somehow back and and then they're

that's not even in their posts they mix those and then they have the the sideways slider of like different reels are showing you so yeah even your instagram feed is getting overtaken with the tiktoks and then, you know, shorts on YouTube and it's, they're all just trying to do that same,

that same thing. And speaking of, you know, old man, get off my lawn. I wish Instagram was just the old chronological. I liked Instagram

when it was the old, yeah, but that doesn't, you know, remember when you, I know you, you'd be like be like yep i caught up because i saw that earlier well i think it would literally display a thing went to do a

little thing okay am i imagining that or was that i don't know i don't remember that i almost feel like there's a check mark like you're all caught up i almost feel like it would actually say but i know i remember that feeling be like oh i didn't check instagram since you know this morning and now it's three i'm gonna check and like you scroll through and you're like oh i just literally saw all the posts because that's people i followed in but yeah and that's exactly i 100 i mean i don't think it's i 100 get why they do it because oh you don't check instagram for two hours you go on swipe through and in 30 seconds you get to the end you're like well i've seen it all yeah or now it's like you could go on check it you go on

again and you're oh new post and you're like really. Where now, it's like you could go on, check it, you go on again, and you're, oh, new post? And then you're like, really? This is new? Oh, it's from three days ago, but you decided I should see it now to keep me coming back. Yep, that's what they do to keep people on that thing all day long. Sneaky bastards. Yep.

It's kind of crazy how our whole major chunks of our actual economy are based around just showing ads to people all the time. Yes. Like, major sections of the actual economy are based around just showing ads to people all the time. Yes. Like major sections of the economy start to fall down and people can't see ads. And we're even in on the system. I know. It's a crazy thing. It is a crazy thing.

We're very active participants. I mean, we're like in the most old school way of it. Like we're participating in that. This is essentially over the air radio with ads. I mean, this is like what they've been doing since what the 1900s right um but we even have paid in paid social media i know like the fact that whole people's um you know stock portfolio and well-being is tied to how successfully tech companies can show advertisements to people and when they don't

like you actually your well- wellbeing can suffer because of that. And it's funny. Um, there was, uh, like just yesterday or two days ago, there was an Instagram outage that was just affecting DMS. That's what you're saying.

I didn't even know about that. And it, I looked it up and it was, you know, globally affecting some people's DMS where it went from like the afternoon of uh what is maybe monday afternoon until it went like i would say 24 hour span or a little bit more where i didn't get no dms came into the mass dynamics page and i couldn't send any out if i went to send some it wasn't showing as sent and there's maybe like a 30 hour period and then all of a sudden they've the bug

got fixed and i had like 24 you know all of a sudden my you know i had like 24 dms that showed up but it's just funny like how much of our business because we have customer um customers with um just customer service questions ask hitting us up daily about sizing, maybe returns, availability of products. That stuff happens all the time through Instagram DMs, like multiple a day. So if that's not working for a day, we all of a sudden

can't... It kind of messes up business. Yeah, and then we have athletes we work with that we're commuting with, people that we're lining up for podcast guests that we're commuting commuting with um people that we're lining up for podcast guests that we're talking with on there all the time that a lot of those people like it's our primary way to communicate with them and it's just another one of those realizations where it's like we at times rely so heavily on this thing that we really have

no control of whatsoever well and we've we've done you know we've done a decent job like we've talked about this like trying to hedge our bets where yeah if instagram were to just crash and burn yeah we have a we have a decent email list yeah we have a discord very active community very active community i mean those are i guess our two biggest things to like hedge against that right but uh there's some people that uh if instagram were to go away like all right you might as well just and we have this podcast. Yeah, we have this actually.

Yes. Yes. You know, like, which is a, that's actually the biggest one. It's not necessarily the great two way communication device, but as far as like existing from a marketing touch that doesn't exist in social media. Right.

Yeah. There's a lot of people though that just life would, you might as well just throw the key in the ocean and all right, business is done here. And, and it would be huge for like, it'd be major if that happened yeah that would suck too but it would be very bad there's a lot of people that would be i mean that would be the end right then like you wouldn't even you wouldn't even have a fighting chance it's just it's done yeah so that was our what was that segment state of social media 2022 a little bit of cyber security uh global

global economy political uh all wrapped into one and i guess the final point is just don't go on twitter right oh we didn't even have to say that i still get shocked that that many people that that tweets make the news headlines that it still shocks me that like isn't it kind of funny that it's over all these years it's never even like between the couple of us it's never like piqued our interest enough to like really be involved in it over all these years it's just it's all it is is just people like trying to have these dumb hot takes to like try and go viral like there are some genuinely like funny stuff yeah people do some funny things but it seems like so much of it now especially

is like just politics of people trying to have their political hot take yeah and get put on the news like whether it's politicians or personalities and like man it is just it feels like just the lowest effort dumbest stuff and then like people pick it up and run with it. You know what my favorite tweets are? The fake Mastodonomics tweets on Mastodonomics Instagram. I do like those a lot. Yeah. But are they real, though?

Maybe they're coming, they're real, but they're coming from an unknown account. We'll let you guys be the judges on, guys and girls be the judges on that. Those are the only tweets I like. Yeah, that's for sure. Make sure to check us out on all the social media. We'll let you guys be the judges on guys and girls. Those are the only tweets I like. Yeah, that's for sure. Oh, make sure to check us out on all the social media. Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. We do have TikTok. Get on it.

No, we don't have Twitter. So we used to, but we got into a thing and it was just easier to delete it than to even continue to have it. We had too many political hot takes, so we had to delete our Twitter. YouTube also. Yes. We didn't talk about YouTube that much, but subscribe on YouTube. We put the podcast out there in full video every week. You know, I don't want to commit us to anything, but I was reminded of something today that we have to do, Tanner.

We need a 2023... 2022 gym tour update. And there has been a lot to update. Yeah, there's a lot to talk about. And last year, I think it came out in about June or July-ish. And it was actually recorded in January or February. So it's been close to 18 months since we recorded a tour video. The thing about Mass Anomics Gym is there's always new stuff coming. So I'm always like, oh, maybe we should wait a little bit.

Just wait for that one more thing. Yeah, but then there's just always the next one more thing. So you just got to do it. So that came out. We published that like a year ago. I think it was last June-ish. But we had recorded it like six months prior to that. So we have like a year and a half of change.

The gym looks much different. It is. We didn't have any of the racks then, I don't think. Did we? No. That's crazy. None of the racks that we have like a year and a half of change. The gym looks much different. It is. We didn't have any of the racks then, I don't think. Did we? No. That's crazy. None of the racks that we have. Three rogue racks.

We had just got the ghost combo rack. That was the cool thing. We just got that. It's still the cool thing, but we've got a lot of new stuff since then. Yes. A lot of new stuff. We should do that sometime. Uh-huh.

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