Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 336: Live Large Collab & Flyin Ryan

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

Tanner is out of the studio so Tommy takes on TWO guests. Big Kevin from Live Large joins us to discuss the new Live Large x Massenomics tee collab, having babies and a little overrated/underrated. Flyin Ryan makes his return to the show and we talk lifting, chili dogs and put together a bodybuilding tier list. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics welcome everyone to episode 336 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nerfing i'm to tommy defay and next to me is my brother, Ryan DeFay. We have the same last name, if you can believe that much. Wow. I had to put on my best Tanner impression there. I had to run through all of his jokes and all of his things for the intro. For a second, I was looking at you like thinking, okay, slide it down. Ryan will take it. But no, that's not how it goes. Today's different. Tanner is not here as we just covered. Ryan's filling in

for him. We had some last second change of plans so we switched it up ryan showed up and uh we got some fun stuff planned tonight i'd like to think and i think this is true that i um am i the the alternate host that is hosted the most times um we talked about this. Yeah. I think technically. Yes. Yeah. You've been technicalities. Yeah. You've been on the most.

And then, um, yeah, for sure. You're the most outside of, uh, Tanner and I. So outside of the people that,

yeah, uh, someone did the math, I believe it was big Matt did the math. And this is episode 336. But it is 260 episodes in the making because what's up with Flying Ryan D episode 76? That's when that one came on. That's the last time I was on.

Well, I don't know if that was the last time you were on, but that was the episode that had your name in the title. So here we are 260 episodes later. That's only like five. Oh, it's almost five years to the even right yeah two times five it's gonna be about 260 right what year was that from um i don't know hmm that was probably when it was mr effenstein was still oh yeah for sure yeah oddly enough he almost ran into me did he like like with a vehicle? With a car, yeah.

It was an accident. Well, it was almost an accident. An accident waiting to happen. Well, before we get to that, though, we got a lot of stuff to cover, but we got some ads to read. And the first ad we're going to talk about. This is my favorite part. This is from the fine folks at Spud Inc. And the Spud Inc. grips and ribs deadlift straps

oh repeatonomics said you're on 115 we'll get to that um the grips and ribs deadlift strap is another addition to the many styles of deadlift straps spud ink carries always inspired by performance and quality first the grips and ribs are no different the bar side is a thick cotton for maximum grab and bite old school style when pulling the other side is ribbed for your pleasure not what you are thinking but meaning hand comfort with more surface for the fingers and hands to secure to the straps are an inch and a half wide by 24 inches long in this new age world these deadlift straps create a new level so you'll be comfy and safe when pulling them big weights so basically it's like a deadlift strap but like they said one side

of the of the strap has a little different material so let me catch a glimpse of these warlocks i'm not really sure there you go see there's like they're kind of like a double ply one side's one type of material the other side's a different type of material. I like it. I'm interested. Okay. Okay. I do love deadlift straps. So if you're interested in getting yourself a pair of grips and ribs deadlift straps for your pleasure, go to spud-ink-straps.com. And today's episode is also brought to you by Juggernaut AI.

Ryan and I are both users of Juggernaut AI. I am a user and an abuser. User and abuser. I'm a late night schmuser. I am, let's see, 22 weeks deep in it and freaking setting PRs every single week here. You got to be probably 20 weeks deep. Carry the two. Yeah, week 20. Delo yeah so reload oh that reminds me uh you ever do this what i'm still active oh i forget to fill it out sometimes but juggernaut

uh they are the real deal for training like we were just saying i'm super far into it. Ryan is too. We're both seeing incredible gains. It is going awesome. They have a really nice app. It works with you, not against you. Gets you stronger, all that good stuff. We're actually going to talk about it more in a second here. So I won't make the ad part too long because it just turns into a bigger ad. The important part is if you're interested in signing up for Juggernaut AI, go to their website, juggernautai.com, I believe.

You can Google it, but sign up there. And then when you sign up, make sure you use code MASSANOMICS. When you check out, that'll save you 10% every month on your subscription. And when you put pencil to paper, can't afford not to do that one. So thank you, Juggernaut AI. So we're going to lead right into that, Ryan. My training is going great. I hit another bench. Juggernautai.com, not.gov, right?

Yeah, not.gov. I'm pretty sure not.org either. Yeah. I hit, I'm not even to my RP 10 week and i hit uh my bench 290 for a set of three today top set and i'm getting close to all time prs right there on bench like it's getting it's going great and squat actually just the other day uh 395 for a top set of three and so four plates is just around the corner which that seemed like miles away not that long ago so it's going good for me you recently had some pretty banging deadlift sets i saw yeah and that's you know going into the juggernaut ai program that's like

what a lot of people say it's like oh it really gets your deadlift uh improving and i guess i've always had like favorable deadlift or like deadlifting so when i heard that i was like oh i really want to try but uh bench as well i would say because i'm just so inconsistent with bench um and to have a really consistent program um with bench it has been has been great like the because i've it does a really great job of programming i mean that's obviously what the whole point of it is yeah um but i've had like i don't know what it is with bench it just it just always seems to just eventually just go in the shitter um but yeah like 275 i think i want i was trying to do like a set of four at rp10 and i was like i honestly don't know if i've ever even done this like more than once like struggling very difficult like a lot and i tried to do it for four and

i got it for three which again i don't even know if i've ever done it for two times it's like okay well at least this is you know the actual prs the proof is in the pudding yeah the proof is in the juggernaut ai yeah so we talked yeah we talked about the ad but yeah this is just us kind of talking about our training actually and it is going really good you had and you had a crazy deadlift set the other day you finally found like a top end on your deadlift yeah a very very very long time of going for that yeah 655 for three which yeah that okay did you get that was did you get the third and you missed the fourth or well no so three well 655 was the was the three rep okay And you got it past your knees though, right? The third one? Well, no, no, no. I did all three.

Oh, you did? Six. I tried to do 635 for four. Oh, okay. Okay. My lower back is kind of not being so agreeable right now. So I kind of will chalk it up to that. Yeah.

All right. so i kind of will chalk it up to that but um all right but yeah very good trackable progress across the board squat like what was it three weeks ago 495 for three and that oh you did that felt really great um i did wear knee sleeves though so i don't know if that counts that's practically cheating cheating. That's like WPO pretty much. Yeah. Multiply. It's practically multiply. But no, I think the thing that I like, the two things that I didn't really even think about going into it

were how basically everything you do from, you know, your heaviest sets of squat to your lateral dumbbell raises, as long as you are keeping track and you are putting in the information like it's all going to be there so if you are like man i i've didn't done dumbbell lateral raises for two months i don't really want to do them anymore i'm kind of sick of them and you swap them out and then you know a training block goes by and you're like i really like those but i couldn't tell you what the hell I did for sets or reps. Yep.

You just go back and look and it's, it's all there. Cause even, you know, pen and paper, uh, programs, a lot of that stuff just kind of like, ah, just do a set of 10, we'll call it good or whatever. And yeah, it's hard to keep track of. It gets easy to skip and all that. And the second thing that I think is really great that gets overlooked are deloads and with the juggernaut program you do a deload they're in there is every fourth week right yeah every fourth week yep um which deloads underrated yeah massively they're good stuff so we've done a lot of sets and reps talking on this podcast already.

Well, that's why people listen, don't they? I think it is. They wanted to catch some of those. For lifting in our opinions on lifting. We got those. And you know, this episode, sometimes people say Tanner and I sound a lot alike. They're probably going to really think that it's almost the same person talking to themselves on this one.

So it'll really send them for a trip. I'm the guy with the diet soda. We're going to go on to some of the more hard-hitting things right now. And I did give the Discord a heads up that we were having, that Tanner was booted for the night and you were taking his place. A hostile takeover. There were a few questions that came in. And I think maybe the most important one,

people were just asking for a chili dog update. Oh, okay. So this is actually really funny and i i if anybody knows me i usually just take something and just run with it and just run it into the ground i love it that's that's awesome um so mason masonomics as it were yep he had this can of hot dog chili that he's just been ranting and raving about for months now and saying like it's like the chili is actually branded with the idea that it's going for on hot dogs yeah okay he like that's a thing no i didn't know that was yeah like okay like it when they came over for they him and caden came over it's a package deal you get both of them caden came over for

my bachelor party uh mason was like oh i had this gift for you but but i forgot it at home and he wouldn't tell me what it was and then he ended up telling me like a month later oh it's this canned chili for hot dogs for chili dogs oh it's so good and i think i saw him probably five or six more times and every time oh i was i meant to bring it but i forgot like one time we're at larry's house and larry's backyard it's like i had the chili and then i forgot it and then today i go to the gym uh this afternoon and what's in my locker the can't the can hot dog chili so have you had it yet i opened it right on the spot just the whole thing no it sat home in the cupboard uh and this stems from for people that aren't totally familiar there was what about a month or two ago yeah it was how many chili dogs

oh you made chili dogs for a party yeah we had my wife uh it was her birthday a few months ago and like any wife she wants a chili dog yeah well i'm just a moron and i always make like wait yeah my wife that's the one but i just always make like way too much food usually and she's like oh i'm gonna make um tacos and um what what else should we make i'm like um i really want to make chili dogs like any traditional mexican restaurant you get the tacos and you get the chili i was just fiending for some for some chili dogs and if i'm like i want something or i want to make it like i'm going to make it so i was like i really want to make homemade chili for chili dogs. You know, like a very thin, like just a meaty sauce.

There's no beans. This is hot dog chili here. Yeah. Is that the traditional hot dog chili mix? There's no beans? Oh, it's just meat, baby. Is it though? Is that like what the expectation is?

Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if beans were supposed to be in a traditional chili dog. It's like a condiment. It's not supposed to be like a meat sauce. It's not supposed to be like, okay. Oh, okay. It's not supposed to be a meat sauce. It's not supposed to compete with the dog. No,

the dog is the star of the show. Okay. It's all sauce. It's like the supporting act. Right. Right. But the best boy grip. Exactly.

But, um, yeah, I made like, I don't know, 30 dogs, too many or something like that. Like,

like you didn't make 30 dogs. You made 30 additional on top of what was consumed. Yeah. So the, like the weekend's over and I'm like, I have like so many, so many dogs that need to get eaten so much, you know, hot dog chili. So every day on my lunch break, I would eat like four, five chili dogs. And then I got to the end of the week and I was like, I think I can get hit at even 20 here. And then the last day there was only three left and it put me at, at 19. And I kind of felt like it was all for nothing. I was

like, even 20 would have been like i only ate 19 chili dogs yeah i kind of wasted my time not having 20 to consume that is something i like to share with people though i do remember you said like oh you want a lot of engagement on social media eat 19 chili dogs yeah it brings really really brings people out of the woodwork for comments a little talking head segment on you know stance on chili dogs. People love it. Yeah. Engagement. It is good stuff.

We're going to pop into a can here. You get to be the... Because we have a... It's not a full guest. We're kind of doing something different. We have an announcement to make. That's one part of the show tonight. We have a special announcement.

She's having a baby. But before we get there, we do have to crack into a can. So I'm going to need you to put on Tanner's official blindfold. This is negligee. Yeah, because this is an official What's in the Can segment.

This goes over my eyes, right? Yep. Just flip it on over there. Okay, Ryan is applying the blindfold. I am prepping the can. The can is prepped. The blindfold is on. I'm handing it to you now.

Here you go. Oh, it's one of those cans of chili. It's a chili can. Did you hear the can opener running? Okay. Go ahead and open it up. Get that whiff. I really hope it's a monster energy drink.

I didn't tell you, but it's... It doesn't smell like chili. It doesn't smell like much. I've never... I'll give you a clue. I've never had this. I'm not sure I could. You can taste it.

You know how they say when one of your senses is taken away, it heightens the other. All the others are heightened to an incredible level. I feel like I can't smell anything. Maybe it's the opposite. Yours will all get dulled even more. It's like a chain reaction. It's only as strong as the weakest chain, the the weakest link do you have any idea what that flavor is

i feel more confident guessing the style of beverage okay because i feel like it's not a i feel like it's not a fizzy water i feel like it's a some type of like soda that's not a soda okay not sure what that is do you have any brands that that produce that that you know of uh no just like kombucha okay is it like is it like apricot or something apricot i don't know is it Is it like apricot or something? Apricot? I don't know.

Is it? Or peach, maybe? I don't know. I don't. I could maybe see where you're coming from with that. I don't think that's a terrible guess. I'm not going to say if you're right or wrong yet until you put your official vote in. I'm going to say if you're right or wrong yet until you put your official vote in i'm going to say peach peach apricot peach apricot we're combining both of them do you have any idea

on the brand we're talking here it's a tall can it's a tall boy one of's a tall boy. One of them pounders. Is it a 16-ouncer? 15 or 14? I think it's 16 unless they did something goofy here. Oh, I know what it is. It's a mango liquid death. Well, take a look. Is it? Take a look.

It is a liquid death. Bury it alive. Okay. Bury it alive as in B-E-R-R-Y. So I'm assuming the flavor has to be something berry here what do they get on the flavor list see they put agave nectar in their stuff is like where their passion fruit flavor berry flavor citric acid hibiscus flavors hiding in there too and natural black cherry um that's kind of like peach apricot it's not like it's not like the worst guess like you're kind of in the ballpark but

i don't know if i would pick berry when i taste this thing no maybe chili dog like i don't mind the flavor but they're good they are good these are good i don't i don't mind the flavor we someone sent us the lime one a couple weeks ago and i thought the lime was better than this but lime is just i think easier to get right it's just oh lime is unmistakable yeah um mango is good i haven't had that one yet but as soon as i started i was really racking my brain with the tall cans and i'm like ah liquid death yeah so what is it anybody's guess it is so what's uh what's the ranking you would apply to this thing what is it zero to five jd power and associates awards oh you can go by half points too um 3.5 3.5 i think that's what i do too i think i'd do a 3.5 3.5 I think that's what I do too

I think I'd do a 3.5 on that the mango is a little bit better though yeah it's fine what I would say is good about these or better if you're in the market for this is there is some sugar in these

so the flavor is a little more prominent than a LaCroix well oh yeah there's three grams of sugar that's it that's enough though do you know how much a gram of sugar looks like it's like a solid cube right it's like a giant cube yeah a lego block no it's like one of those cubes though isn't it i don't know is that one of those cubes a gram i think so i just we're gonna say i just always remember you see the pictures of like this how many grams of I don't know. Is one of those cubes a gram? I think so. We're going to say it is. I just always remember you'd see the pictures of how many grams of sugar in a Mountain Dew. It's like a pyramid.

First of all, who set all these up? How am I not chewing that bottle when I drink it? It's pretty impressive. I guess I don't really drink Mountain Dew anymore. As a kid, how was that a liquid and not something you'd chew the whole way down? That's half the fun. The science behind it. We've got to keep this train moving because um this is a special announcement but we have a collaboration coming out next week um the discord is on right now i think we're gonna

keep them on for this announcement and they'll just be along for the ride see what happens here so i gotta spin up the old phone machine. Get our guests prepared. Here we go. Calling the guest what's up hello is this big kevin this is big kevin speaking kevin you are live on the podcast with tommy and my brother, Ryan. What's up, Ryan?

Hey, hey, how's it going, Kevin? Do you have the same luscious locks as your brother? The exact same. They're actually, we kind of have different spectrums of the hair game going. Ryan's got like really thick, dark hair, but he keeps his relatively short compared to mine. Relatively. Relatively. But actually, also um we also might

sound exactly the same when you're talking to us so if you get confused you have a free pass for that sorry it's all good so kevin um i didn't give uh anyone we have the discord listening in on us too i didn't give them any any heads up as to who we're talking to. So we're talking to Kevin McHugh with Live Large. What's up guys? And Kevin, we have a special announcement. We're going to get to the announcement, but before we get to the announcement, we have a very important thing to talk about. And that is, how's dad life going? Man, dad life is great. My son was born basically like Labor Day. And so he's three months old now. And we're kind of now just getting into the routine of daily life. Just being like boring old parents. It's a lot though, but we're really, we're really now working on daily schedules and trying to give my wife a break. So she kind of keeps her sanity because it's hard.

A lot of it just falls on the mom to do a lot of stuff. So I really try and pull my weight in other areas, but I love it, man. It's the first few weeks were kind of rough because, um, the babies are basically just a blob. They just kind of poop. They kind of poop and cry and you don't really have a connection. Yeah. Yeah. And they're just like, they need mom.

And you're just like, I'm just the useless guy over here that does nothing. Right. Yeah. I can change your diaper and that's about it. And then, okay, here's mom,

here's your boob. Yep. But now, now he actually looks at me and he coos and he knows who I am. And I think that's the coolest thing you know for me that's worth it recognition right absolutely it's the best i don't know if you know how he was born but he was born in the back seat of our car okay i thought i thought i saw yeah i don't know if that was you or anna that had a post saying something about that but

yeah that was anna posted it but the day he was born, I told Anna, I said, hey, we should probably let our boss know that we have the baby. And she's like, yeah. So we told him he was born and whatever. And Nick's like, if you guys need anything at all, let me know. I was like, well, we're going to need a fucking detail. Because for people that don't know,

your baby was actually born in the car, right? Correct, yeah. They don't typically do that, right? It's in the hospital. This wasn't like an automobile hospital either, was it? No, Volkswagen Atlas, man. That's my plug, Volkswagen Atlas. It's great for giving birth in.

Yeah, no, we labored at home, and that was the plan. We had a doula, and it was great, and everything was going as planned. But his position, he was in a posterior position, so we had to get him to spin. He said to the Atlas. The Atlas will spin him right around. Well, to make a long story short, our doulalas methods were so good that he basically dropped when we were in our bedroom and so it was like her second round of water gushing if you will i'm like fuck we gotta go i'm like panic mode we gotta go we gotta go and um i got the car was all

packed you know so i pulled the car up in the front and i come inside dude she's like hunched over the counter having a contraction screaming but also cutting a slice of cake at the same time i'm like what the fuck are you doing she's like well she's like well they're not going to feed me at the hospital i need to eat something there's a lot going on i'm like i'm like get in the car we had to pull over the car like a block down the street because she thought it was happening right then and there so our doula gets in the car with us and i was going like 95 down the highway man it was it was you know labor day and sorry memorial day and um it was gonna be like one of those oj simpson things like okay you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna try and pull me over and i'm not

stopping i was going like 95 and i was like i don't give a fuck and at one point they were screaming like you gotta slow down like you're gonna make it happen faster so he yeah he crowned as we pulled into the parking lot and they're like we're gonna just do it right here mate yeah he was born in the back seat it's crazy yeah that's a that's i've heard of a decent number of birth stories lately a lot of people my age having kids, but I haven't known anyone having a baby in a car yet. So you guys get that award for sure. Well, and that's why, you know, a lot of people, I felt kind of weird for a little while because a lot of people were like, how's dad life? And it took me a while to kind of get over the whole traumatic birth experience. I had to get over that.

And I was explaining this to somebody the other day. I was like, in a traditional hospital setting, like there's doctors,'s nurses you're you're hooked up and they're they're giving you updates okay hey in an hour we're probably going to start you know this is going to happen and it wasn't like that at all it's just like here's your fucking baby like so it was crazy yeah that's well congratulations kevin that is that is awesome you. You just had a baby as well, right? Yeah, like two weeks ago, had our second kid. So, yeah, life has been pretty hectic over here. I get it, man.

I get it. Yeah. It is weird. You do forget how much of the early stuff, or you just forget the early stuff in general. You move on, and then you have another kid. You're like, damn, we used to do this? Really? It gets kind of, you to reset hit the reset button well yeah and when we started registering

for show i'm like what is this what is all this shit that's 100 like my wife is all these things and i'm like i i don't think anyone needs these things and she's like no trust me you do and yeah she was and then and then you fucking need it yeah yeah everything man do you have that booger do you have a booger sucker uh yeah well just the one you suck yourself or the one you squeeze the the one you put in your mouth oh yeah the baby or whatever yeah i don't do that but my wife does and it's absolutely disgusting it's yeah like yeah i didn't believe that was a thing either but uh yeah that gets put to use a lot so yeah all right well we probably don't want to bore everyone with baby talk the whole time yeah we do have an important announcement and that announcement is that there is a massonomics live large collaboration tea not just one but two collaboration teas coming out the week you're

hearing this we actually have the discord hearing so they're getting a little heads up listening in right now. But this episode typically drops on a Monday, which would be the 12th. The t-shirt will be dropping on the night of the 13th. Correct, Kevin? That is correct. Okay, good. I'm glad you're fact-checking me here.

I actually had to pull out my calendar to just don't forget it. I had to look before this. I'm like, oh oh there's a lot of details i could get wrong here but uh we have been i can't even tell like how long we've been talking with nick about the idea of doing some collaboration like way too long and i'm i'm i want to say i'm glad that we settled on the collab teas and not the original idea oh yeah we there was a we won't say any of the original ideas in case we ever come back to it but we there was some pretty wild ideas being floated

around in the beginning um we i guess we went somewhat conventional we went the t-shirt route here but um i think they turned out pretty awesome and oh yeah uh we'll just say the theme is uh uh the party never dies is the is the theme of the te. And we won't give too much away so people can actually check them out when they come out. But we did our take on it. You guys did your take on it. And I think they're both I think they're both like pretty like look pretty kick ass. I'm excited for both of them. Yeah, I saw yours first and I was actually really excited.

You guys did a good job of just kind of capturing both brands specifically. You look at it and you're like, this is both Live Large and Masonomics. Yeah. We have kind of a history over here of trying to capture brands. A bit of a track record. We're good for us. But no, we got ours done. And shortly after, you guys came out with yours.

And I'm like, damn, they took the idea and totally put the Live Large twist on it, too. So yeah, we've had these. They've been done for a little while now, and I'm pretty excited to get these things out there. I think people are going to really like them. And so we'll have, for people that haven't been through this or are curious about where to get them, we'll have ours on our website that people can get. You guys will be releasing your version on your website

at the same time that people can get. We'll also send out some emails so people can find out where to find the other one. But I think it's going to be a really cool, really cool, fun, fun item for us to have out there. Well, I'm big on the very limited run exclusive type stuff. I mean, we only printed 100 of these and they turned out great. And it's one of those things where we still get messages all the time. Like, Oh, are you guys going to bring back this one shirt? Or when are you going to restock this? It's like, no, this is a one-time thing. So this massonomic shirt, you're only getting this one chance at it. If we sell out, I mean, we might do a restock, but it's one shot at the first run we'll just say that

we get we get messages from shirts we released like three years ago it's like yeah i don't think we're bringing those back oh god yeah and well and then the other one is the second like you've had a shirt forever and you're like okay finally we sold out of that shirt you'll get an you'll get an email from someone like the next day like oh i want that shirt you're like really like we've had that in stock for a year straight and now you want it the day it's gone? That tends to be how that goes. But yeah, so I guess people need to make sure be on the lookout for their emails.

Make sure you sign up for the Live Large list too so you can be on the lookout for all that good stuff and all the drops you guys have coming out too in the future here. But anything else? Well, not to cut you off, but what I really like about it is because i started talking to some people out here and i said that we're doing a collab with you guys and people are like what's massonomics yeah and i feel like i feel like did you like body slam them right there on the spot

i'm like you don't have a drink spotter? Oh, they don't care about safety. But I think it would be the same for you guys. I mean, you guys definitely have customers or followers that might not know who we are. So it's a great way to kind of bring brand awareness to both of our companies. Oh, and yes, for sure. And that's what we've, you know, we've done this with some other brands in the past. And that is like, you get amazed. You'd think like powerlifting isn't that big and live large has

been around it feels like forever and you know mass and obviously we've been around a little while not as long as you guys and um but you just feel like both of us have been around that if you kind of pay attention at all you should know of both brands but there's a hundred percent like you guys have a good chunk of customers that for sure have never bought anything from us and possibly never heard of us and we definitely have customers that have never bought anything from us and possibly never heard of us. And we definitely have customers that have never bought anything from you and possibly never heard of you too. So it is a really cool way for us to, uh, uh, get to introduce, introduce our, uh, our customers, our, our supporters to each other. And, you know, speaking on behalf of Nick, I mean, I don't think we've never done a collab

with any other company and he thinks so highly of both you guys and just you guys as a brand. And I mean, still jokes about the first time he ever met you guys at the Arnold, I guess just showed up and didn't really know what the hell you guys were doing. Yeah. We're just like, uh, Nick, let us interview you. And he was probably like, uh, okay, whatever weirdos. And, but that's who he is. He'll share, he'll share his knowledge with anybody. I mean, that's the kind of guy he is, but he'd said a while ago, he's like,

if we're going to collab with anybody, mass economics would be the guys to do it with. So I'm glad, I'm glad it worked out. I think people are going to be stoked for both designs. I hope people buy both because you know, if you had to decide, I would just grab both.

Yeah. They got, they got to get on it. Yeah, totally. For sure. Um, how is,

how is live large things going? Are you guys staying pretty busy over there? Live Large is going well, man. Picking up a lot of events. Obviously, now that we're a little bit more settled at home, I'm able to hit the road and do some more in-person events. I was just in Pittsburgh last weekend. I'm going to Pittsburgh again this weekend.

How far of a drive is Pittsburgh for you? From Cleveland, it's like two hours. We're basically, we're two hours to everything. Yeah. It's, we're kind of smack down the middle.

So Pittsburgh, Columbus, Detroit, Cincinnati's like three hours. So there's a lot of stuff nearby and getting back home to Chicago is a very easy drive for me too it's only five hours it's not bad yeah yeah okay that's right Chicago okay I could not remember I thought maybe you were for some I didn't think you lived in Ohio but I I didn't know if I was

getting someone mixed up but it was Chicago okay no Nick Nick convinced me to quit my job and move out to Ohio and uh run Large. That's how it all happened. Very persuasive. Were you running a different powerlifting apparel company before this? No, I was actually working. I was working in a special ed classroom. Oh, actually, yeah. Ryan was a teacher for two years too.

I was in the education circuit for about five years. Yeah, I worked in special ed for about 10 years. And Nick had conveniently kind of hit me up right at my breaking point or when i was starting to get kind of burnt out you just had one breaking point and that's i had i had i mean i had multiple uh i i worked in chicago public schools and it's just it's rough i love the kids but it's tough it's it's tough it's it's hard it's hard dealing with parents it's always it's always your fault and it's kind of like a revolving door you know you don't you don't always get you always don't get you don't really get credit for

for what you do or the hard work you put in and i mean there's days i get in my car i get in the car i'm like not cry but you're just so emotionally drained from dealing with what you do or the hard work you put in. And I mean, there's days I get in my car, I get in the car and like not cry, but you're just so emotionally drained from dealing with what you're doing with in the classroom, you know? And then you got to do it all over again the next day. Yeah. And I'm sitting here, I'm like, fuck, like, and we want to have kids. How the hell am I going to do this all day? And then come home to my own child. Oh yeah. That was, it genuinely freaked me out. It did.

Cause I would give these kids my all man man, and then I'd come home. There's no way. So, yeah, we live in Cleveland now. Which, I don't know, it's worse. It might be worse. Do you feel like living in Cleveland? I mean, it's still the Midwest. Do you feel like it's a whole different vibe than Chicago?

I don't think Cleveland is the Midwest. Okay, that's i just assumed that you lived in ohio that you would say ohio is the midwest because that's always a point of contention especially in our discord is a lot of people don't believe ohio is the midwest it's weird i i think ohio is in a world of its own man everyone in ohio if you're from ohio you fucking love ohio you can give a fuck about anything else. There's something in the water. I think being from Illinois, I think the Midwest is Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan. Just maybe more centrally located. But hey, you know what?

If this is the Midwest, it's the same type of people. It's the same beliefs out here. I mean, people still think trump is president right now where we live which is cool i guess yeah there's a lot of stuff going on yeah it's um it took us a while to get i mean i i used to work in a very diverse neighborhood in chicago and you know i was the minority and then the time we live in here I like everyone's white I'm like fuck like this is very different from where I'm from on its head yeah but if you want diversity it's like oh just go to Cleveland go to the east side you're good so and it's there it is all right Kevin we got uh we got a little game we play with everyone that

we have a phone call with, and that little game is called Overrated Underrated. Are you familiar with this game? Oh, I'm familiar with this game. Okay, okay. So we have a special set of hand-picked Kevin topics, and it's your job to decide if they're overrated or underrated. The most important thing is you cannot ride the line.

You have to decide. Okay. That'll make sense? That sense i'm ready okay first thing overrated underrated seven string guitars underrated underrated and it looks like you're a bit of a guitar guy yourself i am a guitar guy you can say i i i think they're underrated i think when metalcore and death metal and heavy metal was really getting big in the early 2000s i think people looked at the seven string it's just a way of oh it's kind of cheating it's just an extra low note but it's on a technical level. Cause I recently got a seven string, I think last year. And it's just a whole nother, it's learning a whole new instrument because it's,

it plays completely different than anything else. I definitely think they're underrated and musically I've, some of the coolest songs I've ever heard have been written on seven string guitars. So is, I mean, are there chords that you actually use like all like is it totally or do different chords exist totally like with the seven string guitar how's that go i mean so i'm not my dad is my dad builds guitars my dad is like the music god in my eyes so but i i'm not musically trained so like i can't read music none of that everything of that, everything I've ever learned, I've learned by ear. Or when I was growing up, I, you know, I'd see my dad like, Hey, what, you know, what, what chord is this? And he'd show me,

I'd go back to my room and play it. Um, so I don't have that like background, but basically if you know how regular six string guitar works, if you're playing a power chord, right. If I'm talking to anybody who knows power power chords if you just go up one more string you can play the exact same chords but if you're going to play like a g chord you wouldn't be able to do that you the tuning is different okay um you can drop tune it's i don't know i i kind of just pick the shit up and play it okay hey no that's yeah we were looking through instagram man you uh got a lot you really weigh on that well covid covid happened and i was bored as fuck and i wasn't training and i had some guitars here and i just i have an amp back home my parents i just i never brought it back out here when we brought back out when we moved and i was like i'm gonna just buy an amp

and i'll start playing again i bought some recording software and i just started because i used to do that years ago i was in bands and it kind of reignited my passion. So now I kind of just do it for fun, but now it's, it's hard with the baby. It's finding time. It's like, do I want to go to the gym? Do I want to work on live large shit? Or do I want to play guitar? I, I, you know, I, the time is hard, you know? Yeah. I do got, I had something just come full circle for me right before we recorded this episode we were we were digging back to your feed and i saw the video of you oh my god the shirt on singing the tiger came like i remember that video totally because i thought it was so

awesome and i never knew who did it because i didn't i had never met you yet so it came full circle where i finally had this revelation of of who did that I saw that night because my wife works with Nick at the pizza shop she's she does a lot of like the higher end stuff with him and the pizza shop was blowing up during COVID so she was there working a Friday or Saturday night and I was home alone I think I had three four second coats just chilling watching TV and Tiger King was blown up and I picked up the guitar I was like I'm gonna just tonight and i was home alone i think i had three four second cokes just chilling watching tv and tiger king was blown up and i picked up the guitar i was like i'm gonna just fuck it i'm gonna just record myself playing this because covid early covid was very weird you didn't know if the world was ending or not yeah that was

awesome so i was like i was like i have no i have no shame if this is if this is how we're going out cool this i'll be remembered and yeah just having to be wearing your shirt that night yeah classic thing led to another as they say that was good stuff yeah that's actually one of my favorite shirts you guys made that the curls take the curls is up there for you yeah it is pretty anytime you can make a yellow shirt you know you guys have a couple yellow shirts like yeah but it's good i've wanted to use that color yellow that you guys use, but Nick loves the yellow tee we use, so we're going to stick with that one. Damn, Nick.

But the one we use only goes to 3X. You guys, I was able to do that in 4X, which I was like, this is a cool color. I've got to support the big guys. I can't be a 4x and not advocate for the other big dudes yeah that's kind of a basically a deal breaker if something if something can't go to 4x and a t-shirt and it's true it sucks when you can't do i mean i know sometimes that is just the way it is but it always sucks when that's the case right okay next on the list overrated underrated mark henry oh man he's underrated i had so much respect for that dude when i found out that i was able to

break his drug tested squat record and what was that record for so to to make it super obvious here don't quote me on the date it was mid to early 90s he squatted 953 pounds he had the record for the heaviest drug tested squat with knee wraps so me coming up in the in the sport i always competed drug free and i actually just talked to dan bell about this the other day like i even, even though I competed drug free, I wanted to be on the platform with the freaks of the sport. It didn't matter. I would rather lose to Dan Bell than beat, you know, a bunch of random kids at a fully tested local powerlifting meet. So I happened to just start looking at some meets that offered drug testing. Cause I was like, I could do this. I could break this record, record you know and that could be like my legacy or that that's how I could kind of you know make my name in the sport and it was for me I knew I was never going to be a Dan Bell

or a John Hack or whatever you know it just I wanted to do that for me so So I attempted it once and I got called on depth and I signed up for a meet a month later and it was actually like a Westside barbell meet. I out-squatted I think everyone there but one dude. That's awesome. And they're all like Louis Simmons multi-ply guys. Louis actually invited me to Westside after

that and I was like, how much can you bench? And I was like, dude, my bench fucking sucks, man. Thank you, but no thanks um and it was cool and i actually reached out to mark henry like twice and i got no response and it's fine but i it was more so that record had been sitting there for over 20 years and i with the sport now records get broken weekly right or month it's and you gotta send these local events oh new state record new whatever and this i had so much respect for because it hadn't been touched in 20 years so me being the one to be able to break this i wanted at least if i have ever had that opportunity to like shake this dude's hand and be like, Hey, thank you for giving me this,

this ball to chase, if you will, because no one has been able to touch this. Yeah. And then this dude, Pat, him and I were going head to head. He actually broke it a year later.

So former all-time world record holder. Well, still, I think people forget, like if you, I think, well, how old are you,

Kevin? I just turned 33. Okay. I'm 33 too i like for me when i think of mark henry i think of like wwe days like sexual chocolate yeah i used to i used to watch that you know growing up and i think that's what a lot of people have in their mind at least around our age probably remember him from that and they don't realize how much of just an absolute freak athlete he actually was uh between powerlifting and weightlifting and there's that clip of him online like dunking a basketball like like the guy was so talented it's crazy yeah and for me it was like i mean imagine you're the guy that took ed cohen's record like my respect for him was on that level like you are not just a regular lifter this dude has accomplished so much like the name it's a household name so i mean i had friends i had friends i didn't talk

to in high school hit me up after i did they They're like, yo, dude, I used to fucking, I used to have this dude's action figure. Yeah, beat that action figure. That's awesome. Yeah, so, hey, you know what? If Mark Henry's listening, hey, I got nothing but respect for you, and I'd love to shake your hand one day. Well, maybe at the Arnold. It seems kind of true. Did he emcee at the Arnold for the Strongman last year?

Do you know? I don't know. Because he always used to. He wasn't at the Arnold this year, I don't think. All right. Well, maybe one of these years. And this was a goofy Arnold anyway. Yeah, true. Side note with that whole squad record,

because I know Nick's going to listen to this. Nick made a bet with me years ago that I would never be able to squat a thousand pounds drug free. So after I broke Mark's record, I was like, OK, fuck you, Nick. I'm going to do this. And then COVID happened. So I was like, fuck. And we were training my buddy's garage. And I'm like, there's no way I'm going to be able to prep for this

because any meet I sign up for is just going to get canceled. So, yeah. So it's still out there. It can still happen. It's still out there. Maybe one day I can get on the horse again, but, you know. I so badly wanted to just be like, all right, Nick, pay me. Okay, so, yeah, we just need to get that, that date picked out and then you can make

it happen. Yeah, I do. I'm so 500 pounds is like heavy as dog shit right now. But the thing you have, you're a dad now. So you have the, the dad strength coming in soon. Like you'll be, it'll all be turning around for you pretty soon. Well, and, and full circle. Cause I'll go to the gym every now and then there's like a gym right down the street from

my house and some kids will come up to me like, oh, fuck, dude. I benched four or five, and they're like, dude, that's fucking crazy. I'm like, man, this ain't shit. I used it, and now I'm the guy like, I used to. Yeah, yeah. I might as well get the new balance while I'm at it. Yep, living the life. All right, next up, overrated, underrated, running 5Ks.

Dude, that's overrated, man. What do you mean? I mean, I'm not going to disagree with you, but it looked like you went through a bit of a running phase here recently. I did. I did. So full transparency,, from the power lifting, setting that record to COVID. I, cause I competed around the three 83 90 and I've always kind of had like body dysmorphia. I've always kind of been self-conscious and I wasn't, I wouldn't say like I was like hitting a bottle when COVID happened, but I just kind of

didn't give a shit. You know, I was like, whatever, I'm going to eat and drink, whatever. I got to a point where I was like, I want to lose weight. And my wife and I at the time were also trying to get pregnant and it was taking us a little bit. And I got to a point where I'm like, I would hate for a doctor to be like, yes, son, the reason you're not getting pregnant is you're almost 400 pounds. yeah so i was like i'm gonna just because i like competing i'm competitive and powerlifting was a very me versus me thing and it's the same kind of mentality it's like when you're loading the bar okay it's just one more plate so running it's like oh it's dude it's just you know one more minute it's or

it's one more quarter mile so it's that the same kind of mental mental game you play with yourself and my wife did iron man so she her and i are both in that you know competitive mindset and i told her i was like hey i want to try and do this will you run with me she's like yeah sure the first time i did it we were in new hampshire because her mom had a house out there and we're running on this trail she's walking as fast as i'm running and i'm like this is a fucking joke dude so it was it was slightly humiliating i think my first mile i did when we started running was like 19 minutes and i just said fuck it i'm gonna get i'm gonna get good at it yeah so then i started i was like just like powerful thing i'm like. I'm like, Hey,

I'm going to just do it like week by week and just see where I can go. And I got to a point, I think I got to like a 10, 20 mile and I signed up for a 5k. I did like a virtual 5k and it was, it was a Chris, it was a Chris Farley themed 5k. So it was down by the river. It was like a down by the river 5k. And you got this cool, like Chris Farley themed 5k. So it was down by the river. It was like the down by the river 5k. And you've got this cool,

like Chris Farley metal. But it wasn't the same type of competitive, you know, being around other people. So we did, we did a turkey trot last year and I think that's enough 5ks for me. You've done everything you need to accomplish there. Hey,

you did show some good improvement though. That's for sure. Yeah. And it, but it's, it's more so with, with that and with powerlifting and with her doing Ironman and now being a father, my biggest thing now is I don't, I don't, I don't expect my son to be a powerlifter. I don't want him to be a power. I want him to be able to do whatever the hell he wants to be. But I also, at the end of the day, want them to know that anything you set your mind to, you can do it. So something like squatting 900 pounds seems like an impossible feat, but Hey, you can do whatever you set your mind to. I did this. Your mom did this. No matter what you can do it. Yep. So I think that's cool. And that that's a cool thing being a dad to kind of set that example yep for sure for sure shout out to all the dads out there dad's making it happen

uh all right last one last one under this is for all the marbles over it's gonna be ohio pie pizza no no not this time over that is i should have thought i should have called you ahead, Kevin. I'm going to just answer this one right now. Being from Chicago, I think it's underrated. I think Nick's Pizza is underrated. When we moved out here, everyone's like, you're moving out to Ohio for pizza? It's in a league of its own.

I'm a Chicago deep dish or pub style guy, but it's, yeah, it's some of the best, some of the best pizza I've ever had. And if you guys ever make it out here, we, Nick will feed you like, no, I know. Like I, that's like my biggest complaint about the Arnold is that we can never get to where Ohio style pizza actually is.

So I can't like actually get to have it. Like I, we got to figure something out one of these times. I'm'm sure i'm sure next year we can figure something out where we just have someone or like his dad come drive it down because but you know it's still not the same it's still the same as getting it fresh in the shop you know like that's true but he's got he's got the delivery bags true yeah yeah okay but uh all right let's do with this last for all the marbles here overrated or underrated? MySpace. Oh, fuck. I was actually trying to log into my MySpace the other day. Can you still get into it? Does it still exist?

Does the pyrochasm page still exist? Oh, my God. You guys do your research. That's literally what I was trying to do. No, nothing works. Because I was trying to see what the it just no nothing works because i was trying to see like what the old music sounded like and that you can't find it and i can't log into my own i'm yeah my it's a tough one man is it overrated i think myspace was underrated

that makes sense to me you know i like my looking in hindsight myspace is so much cooler than fucking facebook yeah i mean on myspace you would go to a band's page and their song would play whether you like it or not right they correct instagram doesn't have that facebook doesn't know and and you got somehow you were like 13 years old and you figured out how to do coding yeah you would change the background you didn't add some stupid music video into the into the page and and then your top eight you know you had to have your friend but then there was random hot girls you didn't even fucking know but you just wanted people to know that you were friends with them i remember i remember i remember i think

i mean that was the only time i've ever been like the DM guy. I just randomly messaged a girl like, yeah, you're really hot. Really? Oh, I'm just, I do in my space so hard right now. Yeah. Um, I, the only reason I was, it's funny you guys brought it up cause I was trying to look through it the other day just to see what my pictures used to look like. Cause I don't have a lot of those old photos and it's probably for the better but so myspace underrated i i totally agree it's i think there's a good number of people that

have never even experienced it before the young myspace was just in my opinion, MySpace, aside from it being kind of what Facebook has kind of become, it was so good for music. That is what I really enjoyed about MySpace. Yeah. That's where I found so many of the bands. A lot of the bands that I still listen to today I found on MySpace. Really? Yeah, that's awesome. The last band that I was actually in the only

reason i made it into that band was because in parentheses next to their name was like needs a bass player and i'm like fuck i can i play guitar i can i can play bass yeah it's basically basically like craigslist at that point it is safer yeah that and that was actually a goopy situation because the dude who I talked to, his family owned like a GNC franchise. So when I went to audition, he gave me the address and it was literally GNC. And I was like, Hey, dude, am I at the right spot? He's like, Yeah, come around back. I'm like, I'm at GNC. He's like, Yeah, I know. They had their practice space in the back of a GNC. And I walked in and never met these guys and they're all really cool. They were all geeked out on spike energy. I don't know if you guys had that. Yeah. Well, wasn't that like,

was, did that have like alcohol in it too or not? Or is that no energy drink? Maybe it was like Miller sparks. I think that's what you're thinking. Yeah. It was just, it was literally Miller sparks. Oh, I think that's what you're thinking. Yeah. It was just, it was literally just called spike.

It was in a, it was in a black or red can. Is it one of those that they only sold at GNC? Pretty much. I think they had a vitamin shot for a minute. It was literally, it was like a red line competitor. It was basically like math in a can.

So I was like, yeah, sure. I'll fucking try it. Dude, my hands were shaking and I'm like trying to play their songs. Like, Oh my God, I'm blowing it.

You show up and they drug you and take advantage of you. Yeah. Well, Kevin, good news is you did pass overrated, underrated. Oh, shit. The pressure's off. Congratulations. You can relax. Oh, yeah.

Thanks. Do I get a prize? Yeah, we'll air the episode and release the shirt next week i guess it'll be the price oh yeah yeah we didn't tell you we didn't tell you if you did really bad for over eight under right we just weren't going to release the shirt so it was going to be there was a lot riding on that actually be like i promise we we collabed with these guys. They said they did. Just silence on our end. Nothing's there. Yeah. You guys sent us a season assist.

No, we did not want this shirt. We don't know any of those guys. We did not give them permission. This is all wrong. But no, that is not true. We did give you guys permission. You gave us permission. We both made amazing shirts.

People need to look out for, what did we say, Tuesday, September 13th? Yep, 8 p.m. Eastern. 7 p.m. Western. What is that? One hour back. 7 p.m. Western, Northeast South Dakota time. The drop will be happening. Make sure you buy ours.

And also make sure you head on over to LiveLarge large fitness.com and buy theirs as well. Did I miss anything in that pitch there, Kevin? You can elaborate and add to that as much as you want. No, I don't, I don't think you did. Um, not to cause confusion or frustration for any customers, but you, you, we'd love to sell them both together, but it's kind of getting you guys both on, on both of our pages. So if if you want our shirt you got to buy it on ours and but i'll have a link i will have a link for your tea on our page so it will if you're looking for it you can find it you're going to just have to pay separately on mass economics yeah it's called that's called the price of doing business there oh yeah all right well uh thanks a lot kevin

um tell nick we said hello oh also tanner was listening in the discord he said he said tell big kevin hello so tanner did say hi as well tell him i say hey and i'm actually gonna need some beard advice from him because out of nowhere he has just like this gigantic i'll tell you his advice this is tanner's advice don't ever cut it or touch it ever that that's his secret right there that's what everyone that's what everyone says but I mean yeah between like him and Dan Bell like some of these people with these beards like Dan's usually pretty Dan's maybe it's like a meat day thing but his looks like manicure like uh shaped like shaped and trimmed to perfection he's but have you ever seen have you ever, have you ever seen Dan Bell when his beard is basically up to his eyebrows?

Well, I think it's always basically up to his eyebrows. Does it not meet day? Doesn't he have to cut it down? So it's not in his eyebrows. Yeah. So you can see, yeah,

that's hard to, hard to respond to calls when you can't see him. So, or he just grows it out. It's like his way of putting the face paint on, like when you're a football player. Yeah. Yeah. Or he just grows it out. It's like his way of putting the face paint on when you're a football player.

All right, guys. Well, hey, thank you for having me on the show. And I look forward to hearing this. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks a lot, Kevin. Was there anything else? Yeah, we said the drop. Also tell people go to Live Large Fitness if you haven't been there uh i think that's everything yeah i mean i i would just keep an eye on our page we we release a new item every single week we actually have a really cool um kind of like outdoor uh national park kind of camping themed release coming out we're really excited about you guys just had was it like did i see like duck camo kind of is that the style i'm actually wearing it right now i actually gotta take it off because i'm sweating in my apartment right now. But I like those. Yeah. They're,

they're sweet. They turn out great. But yeah, I mean just new stuff every week. So be on the lookout. Awesome. All right. Well,

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That's the thing. Last one before Warzone is over. Has there been any major upsets yet? Well, FIFA. FIFA kill. Familiar with him, of course, right? He won the solo yolo so there's uh 40 teams of three players so it's a trios format they do five matches and you're you're placed on

your placing and your total kills per team so the highest you know trio out of out of the 40 people they win a hundred thousand dollars each and then they have a solo yolo that they do at the end where it's just everybody against everybody and the winner of that gets a hundred thousand dollars damn and mr fifa kills got the he won that, which, interestingly enough, he actually broke the kill world record. I think it was yesterday. No, this was like yesterday or two days ago. 60 kills in a game.

Yeah, damn. That's a lot. Is this a 100-player match? That was on the big map, so it's probably like 150. Oh, they do go that high? See, I'm so out of the scene. I don't even know where to go to. This is a big scene.

Joe did do so well, though. His team got 15th place. The movement king, he couldn't pull through. The movement king is way out of it. Yeah, next time. We'll get him next time. Okay. Oh, we have a little game we're going to play.

But actually, before we get to this game we're going to play, we do have to do a little segment called Supporting Our Supporting Members. Let's do it. This is one of the fastest growing segments on the entire show. And it's just a little way for us to give back to people that support us, hence the title Supporting Our Supporting Members. If you'd like to maybe get your name into the ring for a shot at being on this you can hover to the massonomics.com join and sign up to

become a supporting member um there's uh levels of support for for every um financial situation so um yeah sign up over there It comes with lots of benefits. You can be on the Discord. In this case, the Discord gets to listen to this entire episode live because I'm not cutting them off. Tanner's not here to stop me. So I'm not going to turn this one off.

We're going to keep it going. I feel them all in the room with us right now. Their presence is felt. It's like they're just breathing down my neck. But you can also, you'll also get a discount code and you'll get the heads up on some early drops, early memes, all that good stuff.

You'll be the first to know about it. So this week in supporting our supporting members, first up, I guess if I wasn't talking so much and I actually pulled this up, we'd be better off. Here we go. Okay, first one, Big Mo recently went on a little adventure he went on a mount a night climb of mount fuji mount fuji heard of it believe that's in japan yeah right yep and he took a pretty amazing picture he said once he got to the top uh everyone was taking pictures with their

country's flags or taking pictures with celebratory drinks. He said, seeing as that he got there last minute and he didn't have anything prepared. He went into his wallet and he brought out, he busted out his massonomic supporting member card. So here he has a picture. That's better than Mount Fuji holding his massonomic supporting member card.

That's how it's done. That's how you do it. People. I can't say for sure, but I'm going to guess he's probably the first person to take a picture with a supporting member card on top of mount fuji no i can't say for sure people have probably done that before this is the first one to document it and tell us so um good job big mo thing next up we have uhechek.S. He had a second powerlifting meet. He had meet PRs for squat with 402 and bench at 330.

Pretty good numbers there. Bench, especially at 330. That beats my best bench ever in a meet. It's good stuff there. Same for me. So congrats, Nemechek.S. He also had a 402 deadlift there you go and next on the list we have big eric yinzer from pittsburgh he did a pretty good job of using the strength that pennsylvania's

strongest lifters uspa meet um he made his opener squat at 245 kilos he got his third bench at 220 kilos that's a really good bench and which was a 10 kilo pr and a master state record and we're all about those master records and he also got his third deadlift of 272 kilos or 600.8 pounds for a 12 kilo pr and a master state record in the same age weight bracket. Yeah. Big Eric. Strong dude. Set and masters PRs.

What more could you ask for? That's great stuff. Very impressive. And last up on the supporting our supporting members. We got to give props to big Jonathan. He is now officially a daddy. You could say daddy is. You could say daddy really is home now he's home

so i from what i've gathered they had a a good happy healthy baby and everything went great it looked like did they have it in the at the hospital or in the car i think i think they went with the hospital but i don't know maybe or was it a car it could have just been a car that looked like a hospital too i don't ask car bed yeah it's hard to tell i don't really know so yeah jonathan had the family pr it's a great it's maybe the most impressive pr of the wall on his way to a million dollar family you could say he's halfway there he's halfway there he's at a five hundred thousand dollar family it's pretty impressive yeah yeah uh all right i think we've gotten through supporting our supporting members we've gotten some other things all right we're gonna play a little game ryan and this is a game we kind of put together yeah and so the game

is going to be called should we call it the bodybuilding tier list is that what we're we're actually just brainstorming it right now obviously hip yeah so we call it the bodybuilding tier list i think that's a fair name for it so people if if you spend some time on the internet you've probably ran across these you'll see people make it on youtube people make tier lists there's a there's a variety of ways they do it but typically on the left hand side going down of look at the screen like it's a chart the top left you'll have like an s ranking and then below it an a a b a c a d maybe even an f so you have this whole ranking or worse yeah or worse and you'll get some categories of items and you'll place them where they belong obviously the best things go in the s category the worst things go in the f category if that's how that ranking

set up and you place them where they go so we to, in the name of this being an audio format and it's less visual, we don't want to have like 10 rankings. It gets a little harder to keep track of. So we're going to simplify it a little bit. We're going to have a being that just like school is the best grade. F's the worst grade. People I think can follow along with that pretty good. And what do we hold back?

If you don't do your, you will be held back. And what are we ranking? We are ranking something we know a lot your homework. You will be held back. And what are we ranking? We are ranking. Something we know a lot about. Something we are experts on. And our opinions are highly valued. So if you don't like it.

That's our perceptions on like 90s bodybuilding. Yeah, I would say I was going to say bodybuilding gear, but that would be confusing. Yeah. That's not gear. That is confusing. It is just like bodybuilding culture, I would say. Whether it's say whether it's apparel fit swag yeah just kind of the whole lifestyle equipment yeah just the whole lifestyle so uh we have a list of things uh some of them we've talked about together some of them we came with our own and we're going to apply our ranking to these and and give our

logic behind where these fall in certain rankings the The people have been asking for this, you could say. Big Keith wants to know if I forgot to give Kevin cool beans. I did not forget to give him his cool beans. He did, in fact, get a double serving. Coolest of the beans. Okay, first up on the bodybuilding tier list, Zubas. Where do you think Zubas falls in the bodybuilding tier list? building tier list i would say that zubaz is a solid b now this can completely fluctuate and depending on your answer like if you gave it an f we have to meet in the middle i'm i'm not i i was

gonna the no i was debating between a b and a c in my head. Okay. Because I can't give too many things an A because that A is the best. So, yeah. But Zubas have kind of, I feel like, held on over the course of time. Like, they've stuck around pretty good. Not even. But not like, they're not like super popular. Like, you're not going to go into any gym in America and see them. No.

So, they kind of do. Jackals gym, maybe. Maybe there, yeah. They still kind of do have that underrated component to them. They do. And they do still sort of like have that 80s 90s vibe going too yeah so i i think they're a pretty solid b i would say b is fair b is fair okay well that was pretty simple for the first one agree on that one all right i'm writing these down all right zubaz b um all right next on the list kind of a bodybuilding classic even to this day and that would i shouldn't even say classic bodybuilding essential

spray tans where does spray tans fit spray tans um to the dungeon i i'm i want to say F tier. I was going to go down low on those two. I guess I've never seen a bodybuilder pose on stage like super white. So I could see how maybe when you're super white with a spotlight on you, you look even whiter.

That's a good point. I don't think I've ever seen that either. To the point where you're like reflecting light, you know? Yeah. So I think they could serve their purpose. But also, it seems like one of the, I don't know, least desirable, less exciting parts of the entire sport industry culture. Yeah. So I think I'll go with D on spray tans.

That's fair. Yeah, D is fair. It's not the worst thing in the world. Okay. Okay. Spray tans are getting the D. That D. Next up, bodybuilding tier list.

Let's go oversized suits. And when we say oversized suits, we're talking, I don't even know if that's the correct term for this. I think it's just a suit that an average bodybuilder would have to fit into. But it's more that 90s cut. If you go early 2000s if you google ronnie coleman suit or bodybuilders and suits you'll see some pictures and they're freaking amazing because i think back then maybe the suit well the pants were definitely wider like baggier

then than they are now and also they do like the double-breasted thing like ronnie coleman has some where they're double-breasted with the pinstripes. Yeah, that's what I'm just looking at. Same picture. Double-breasted with the pinstripes. I think that's what that's called, double-breasted. I don't know. I don't know.

It's not like your typical business suit that he has on, but I think they're also longer back then, too, and they'd keep them a lot wider in the body. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, the tailoring was a whole different vibe then for how they would tailor suits then compared to now but they kind of look like uh one of those villains from like a villain from like a batman animated tv show yeah like a lex or uh lex luger yeah something like that it's lex luther i think it's lex luther

wrestler yeah uh so where did the suits fall in oh yeah see they got some oh yeah the discord's got the yeah i a top of the a tier you think so of a tier you think you think the suits belong in a tier 100 it's like they are pretty iconic like that that does belong to a certain period in time like none other. Yeah. Yeah. A tier. A tier. Okay.

No other way. You're going strong A tier on that? I guess I'll go with that for now. Okay. Strong A tier on the 90s bodybuilding suits. Next up on the list. Swords as trophies a sword award you know i don't i never really understood the sword the sword is a trophy thing i wonder how that even started i think because it's like

a badass weapon you know okay why not give him a Well, because I'm sure there's at least a few more steps you got to go through. A gun's probably also slightly more expensive than a sword. I don't know. That's probably... Symbolically, I think a sword represents more of the warrior spirit over time. So I can see where that comes from.

You've gotten to war with it. But it still is a bizarre like so i don't know i have people had trophies as like battle axes and maces are those also trophies or is the sword the only what if this what if the trophy was a bow staff like uh you you have one here is your bow stuff like wow this is some kind of pretty obscure weaponry that i'm winning but sure i guess some shurikens yeah yeah like a satchel full of throwing stars yeah nobody's lining up to win the contest where you get throwing knives uh sword sword as a prize right yeah sword as a prize, right? Yeah, sword as a prize. Yeah, not as like the movie saving weapon. I like it.

I changed my mind. I'm going to give it a B. A B? It's ridiculous, and I think that's why it's good. It makes no sense. Yeah, I was floating between a B and a C, but I'll go with B. Okay. You struck first.

I'll go B. B minus. Okay. Next on the list. Lifting. between a b and a c but i'll go with b okay you struck first i'll go b b minus okay uh next on the list lifting i should say working out in work boots oh that's that's i don't think you see that one much anymore and that feels to me like a very 90s early 2000s bodybuilding thing right yeah the only time i see it now is like if larry gets off of well yeah that's a different that's not the same but he's not also a lot of these guys though when they're what they see the pictures they're wearing briefs or shorts while they're working

out in work boots like larry is actually has a work that's just the circumstance clothing he's actually straight from the job site he He has the whole work costume on. Yeah. Yeah. The boots, like, I can't think of, like, the actual brand. I can only think of, like, Luggs, which that's not like. Yeah, remember those? No, that's not quite right. Like a khaki or like a yellow. Oh, kind of like a timberland style timberland timberland

that's what i'm thinking of but also a lot of the animal pictures have guys wearing work boots um yeah yeah like this whole vibe kind of too yeah you know it's something about wearing posing trunks and work boots together. I think it's kind of the same thing as the sword. It's like, does this have to do with anything? But it still kind of works. I got to go B tier on this one. Here, this Ronnie Coleman picture. That one's pretty.

Yeah, Ronnie Coleman with sunglasses. But he's kind of always the exception to the rule. He has small trunks on, like posing trunks. And that's it besides sunglasses and work boots. It's just a very odd collection of apparel to pick out to go work out in. He can pull it off, so he's always the exception. I think I got to go C tier on it. Maybe even D tier to me.

I don't know. It doesn't really make sense. I think there was like a very short window in time and just a very specific, not much more than like a handful of guys in the world that can ever pull it off at any one time, I think. I mean, we work out with one of them. We lived with one of them. But outside of that, there's only a very small group of guys. So what was your first

thought on it i wanted to say b but now that you i'm talking it down so maybe we gotta go c meet in the middle c minus okay work boots are c all right next on the list we got fanny packs oh this might be controversial but i straight to the dungeon with fanny packs. Really? Yeah. Those are ones that have like, almost everything on this list stood out and maybe even gotten more popular over time. Especially if you're saying cross body. Well, that's a different,

I, I come up with a different category. Or is it how they're worn is what they're, I'm saying like fanny packs around the waist actually not the bastardized version no no not this modernized version i'm saying i'm saying the original 80s yeah i mean i could see like you know you're at gold's gym okay where's my syringe you know my things i need okay they're in my fanny pack you know yeah all my wearing it as uh like it has a purpose right oh it's very functional like the sword that's just like it's the most one of the

most functional fashion items you could ever have yeah you know maybe well this is probably before people eat gummy bears in their intro intro workout for the intra calories fuel but they probably had some kind of snacks in there when people eat in the 80s cracker jacks yeah i don't think they had maybe like a metrics bar or something before sour candies were invented probably i don't think sour flavor existed you would have given the average 80s person a sour candy they would have just had a stroke yeah all they did was like suck on pennies for fun. Cough drops. Cough drops and pennies. All that existed then.

The fanny pack is a little more functional, I guess, than some of these other things, especially to the average bodybuilder type that might be kind of forgetful and maybe they need to keep their belongings close to them. So I'm going to say a C tier. Okay. I'll go with that too. I'll go with a C.

Okay. Did you have any to add to this list? Oh, yeah. Okay. This is probably heresy to most people, but gloves. Like lifting gloves, you're saying, right? Yeah. most people but gloves like lifting gloves you're saying right yeah it's in the i'd say in the context of 90s bodybuilders early 2000s bodybuilders like maybe from a visual standpoint

it falls into like a like a c-tier as part of the uniform. I mean like actually working out, it's like an F tier all day, every day. Oh yeah. Like, but as part of the costume of being a bodybuilder in the nineties and like, oh yeah, like I'm going to the gym.

I got my boots, my posing trunks, my sunglasses on, my fanny pack. And I have these workout gloves just to complete the look of like, whoa, this guy only puts things on his outer extremities like the closer you get to the body the less clothes there are it's like socks for your hands yeah it

is socks for your hands so in that context i could give it a b or a c i think yeah i think a c is fair for the gloves yeah i'm not really sure why or like you know bodybuilding is all about the look right especially when you're on stage you don't want okay we don't want to have all these blemishes on our bodies we don't want to have all these scars but it's like what are you doing to where your hands are going to be you know destroyed from not oh i think it's more i think it's more the general aesthetic. The look in the gym of the gloves. So no, a fighter wears gloves, so it's a tough one. That's true.

Fighters also get swords. They do. Yeah. Functionality-wise, nothing. But aesthetic-wise, C. Yeah, C. Okay. Yeah, C.

C. Do you have one more? Yeah, I have one more. Last one then. Sleeveless, cut off, hooded sweatshirts. Like, all right. It's confusing because now someone did that. It'd be like, it takes a very specific person to pull it off, you know? Oh, yeah.

Then I think that's one of the cooler looks that they had because it's kind of a contradictory item to have on. Yeah. I think I'd give that a solid B tier from the perspective of 90s bodybuilding. Yeah, and I think that's been a common you know thread going through all of these is some of the more outrageous ones really serve zero functionality but well i guess it keeps your core warm maybe in your head but it also shows off your arms if you want because hoods are kind of annoying to have when you're in the oh like squatting with a hooded sweatshirt on benching with a hooded sweatshirt like? Benching with a hooded sweatshirt? Like really deadlifting is the only thing that's even convenient.

Yeah. Where it's not an inconvenience to have it on. Yeah, just a little. But I guess if you want to keep a piece of apparel with it on, you decide to cut the sleeves off too. I feel like The Rock does that every now and then. Yeah, I think that is kind of his look. That does kind of fit his look.

Yeah. That's sort of his swag though, kind of like. It is. How old is he like 50 i think so but i picture him wearing a just in my head the rock when he's working out has a sleeveless hoodie on or a sleeveless zip-up vest and he has his terramano tequila with a bottle of tequila next to him and 70 pieces of he's also like while he's watching a movie on his macbook pro yeah well he's doing that

yeah and he has a pile of pancakes a foot tall but then he also has like a t-shirt on underneath his thing and then he also has shorts on and then leggings on underneath the shorts too but then he's it's all under but then he's also taking a selfie video like

haha what's up lunatics we're getting after it I haven't slept in two days and I'm going back for more like it's something like that yeah like ah too much man too much so that's that's what I picture when I think of the rock and like it all seems

like whoa how did this camera get in my hand but you also feel like at the same time someone wrote that script for him and he's just reciting a script that could be true it all feels like like organic but at the same time totally rehearsed but like off the cuff but at the same time very intentional that's no well that's the it's the give and take of his whole persona that's the diversity yet you can cultivate when you're a pro wrestler you have that i know you have that deep within you, that ability to, you know, dance between reality. And I do feel like the thing about the rock though, is he's always like on brand all the

time is that you never really get like, ah, like even when he's like trying to be like, I'm just a dude. It's like, oh no, no. Like there's some story behind something at all times, you know, like it never feels like he, even when he's trying to be just a dude he's never just a dude right and maybe when you get that big that's just the way the world works you can never be that way but i don't know yeah no he's he's always on he is always on always on slightly off just like ifc just like that he's kind of like i mean he really

is like a ryan seacrest like i actually don't even know anymore uh like you guys both just seem like you're like this uh showbiz robot at all times like you're just uh the machine that's doing the thing that you're supposed to do 24 hours a day non-stop you know i'm a huge ryan seacrest fan so i was gonna say you have been following his career since the beginning just know you know i'm just i know. I really got my pulse on the ride. Seacrest. Seacrest. All right. Well, I think that does conclude.

With that being said. The bodybuilding tier list. Bodybuilding tier list out. That was fun. Yeah. Talking through some of the bodybuilding highlights of the style game i hope we didn't offend anyone with our controversial viewpoints i don't think so probably not only only people that think very highly uh spray tans are gonna be offended yeah we just alienated the whole uh

discord i think yeah that would be the that would actually the discard is very just we do have a channel in there called spray tans and stuff no i'm just making that oh i'm on it i don't even know what the channels are uh why don't you go ahead and read that yeah keep yourself busy read this for me go practice falling down the whole thing yeah no no no No, no, no, no, no, no. The bottom. Oh, this is a good one. Yeah. All right.

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I know. You weren't really gotcha, really gotcha off guard. Okay. You know the rules. We don't need to go through those again. Overrated or underrated, propane grills. That's Bear Grill's brother, in case you didn't know. Propane?

He's the older one, right? Yeah. Propane and his's brother, in case you didn't know. Propane? He's the older one, right? Yeah. Propane and his younger brother, Bear. He was on public access before Bear came along. He started naked. Ruined everything. Propane grills. Underrated, 100%.

They are... They're just so convenient. That's what I think people... I was on the charcoal train last summer. But it's so damn time consuming. Like, sometimes... Geez, why don't I get my covered wagon out while I light up my charcoal grill?

I get it. Like, if someone says charcoal tastes better, sure, I won't argue with that. I'm not going to, like, say it, like, propane tastes shitty. But if you really think it tastes better, I'll side with that. But it also takes way longer oh god i've had so many just stupid things it's like oh i'm gonna try to make um

make uh ribs on a charcoal grill okay let's set up this snake pattern to get all the charcoal to burn and then it's like eight hours later i'm like i don't even know if these things are cooked at all but yeah charcoal is fine but but propane propane underrated propane is good okay propane propane okay uh propane riding that train uh overrated underrated anthony bourdain mr bourdain oh absolutely underrated um you know now like especially with youtube i think people forget like how terrible cooking shows are like if you okay like what do you mean like modern ones or just any cooking show most modern cooking shows because i take that back most modern food shows so i and you know we grew up together you remember this right so i've always been like a food network

fanatic not much recently but you know like especially when I was a kid, you know, Iron Chef. Yeah. Like the original ones. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a good that's that's a very good point. Important distinction. Yes.

Very important distinction. So now shows, which is funny that I'd say Iron Chef as it was, it was a good show. But now all shows on Food food network it's we have to turn this into a competition well and not just every single like an overly dramatic weird game show there there's only five seconds left it's like do we need to create this false sense of urgency with everything like can you just make the food and like have a personality and like can't anything just be about like if it is a competition just making something really good without 30 artificial constraints always yeah it's just trying to trying to gamify you know something that's that's yeah that doesn't need to be gamified and i guess the point i'm trying to make is you know now you know

you have a lot a lot of these personalities whether it's action bronson or you know maddie matheson or um his name escapes me he had the pizza show on oh vice yeah i just watched it like a week ago i cannot remember what his name is um but it's okay you know these people care about food you know whether they're actually chefs or they were or whatever and then they go someplace and they meet someone and it's kind of more about the experience and it's about you know okay this person started this restaurant and uh they're doing this with their life and whatever and to me that's just way more interesting and i guess the point i'm trying to make this restaurant every day for 50 years yeah it's just it just makes for better television i guess um in my. And I think somebody that did that for a really long time was Anthony Bourdain.

You know, no reservations, that kind of thing. So, yeah, 100% underrated. Okay. By all means. Next up, overrated or underrated amd graphics cards oh oh i'm i love that you you asked me this so i am a pc gamer and i have not been for all that long but i will die on this hill because i mean who's going to debate what's better, a $1,500 computer or a $300 console? I mean, there's no comparison here. But NVIDIA graphics cards, they're good, but they are very overpriced.

Now, AMD, what's a comparison to make here? If NVIDIA is like Nike, maybe AMD is like, I i don't know what's not as good as nike i don't want to offend anyone i don't i wasn't quite sure where you'd go with that one um maybe a car comparison is easier to make because there's a lot more um i don't know i don't know anything about cars but anyways nvidia is is here and and to a lot of people amd is like down a tier below they're a notch below yeah but a lot of people they like nvidia just because they're they're a shill you know they don't they couldn't even tell you the difference of what the features are or or if you were to sit somebody down and say okay we're gonna have you play this game on an amd graphics card and then nvidia

i honestly don't think they could tell the difference but you know cost to performance i think amd is is the way to go plus i kind of like things that are just sort of like just like a little under what people are really into and i think amd does they do that it's they do what nvidia does it's cheaper it's not nvidia they don't their ray tracing isn't as good but honestly ray tracing isn't a selling point for anything yeah but okay so but to be fair their reputation has recently changed that wasn't it because they were lagging behind for quite a while weren't they yeah and i mean i think that's what a lot of people did they got that they got that reputational cruft stuck on them driver Driver support. People, oh, you do not want an AMD graphics card.

The drivers, it'll crash. You'll get blue screen. You'll never be able to use that thing. I've never had that problem. And of course, that's totally anecdotal. But I don't know. I think a lot of people just want to hate on stuff. And especially PC people really like to say,

you know, this is what's good. And oh, you're using that? No. But I would say AMD. Underrated. Price, performance, everything. Underrated. All right.

Last one for all the marvels. Overrated or underrated? Tanner Baird. Ooh. marvels overrated or underrated tanner baird i feel like you're only asking me this because i'm because i'm replacing him is that why because there's been a hostile takeover he's tied up tanner baird oh 100 underrated. 100%. I guess I'm not really sure how to expand on that. It's your brothers. You can elaborate as much or as little as you want.

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, without being too sentimental or weird, I would probably say like lifting and all that. Like, I don't really know if I would be, you know, still lifting now, uh, had it not been for like meeting him or, you know, you, you two being very close. So, um, yeah, it's very strange that, you know, you meet, like, one person. It's like, yeah, maybe my life would be, you know, very different had I not somehow become friends with that guy that was at the YMCA that I would, like, say hello to every once in a while. Oh, yeah, totally.

Because, yeah, I mean, geez, what was that was that like 2014 or something like that and around maybe maybe even earlier maybe yeah so to you know think if you're like in the basement you know you're at the massonomics gym and you look around and you see all the cool equipment and you see all the people that are there and it's like damn this could have not happened so easily. And I, maybe if I'm lucky, would be lifting at a different gym. But would I be lifting with any of these people? I don't know. Maybe not.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Kind of makes you kind of makes a guy think, you know, do some thinking like, oh, damn, would I have even met Larry the Legend then? Like, how the hell does this all work out? I don't know. I'd like to think me and Larry, we would have been friends anyways. We would have ended up living by each other anyways.

Yeah. All right. That's all good. I agree. So for the second time in one episode. Overrated or underrated was passed. You did survive. Thank you.

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