Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 338: Jacob Ross

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Big Jacob Ross joins us for this one to talk about his experiences training NBA and NFL players. We also get into his South Dakota roots, and those funny jump training shoes from the 90’s. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! site everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 338 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing and we're back in black i was gonna say the the lifting podcast of black tees black shorts and left chest imprints and black socks black socks wow and black headphones and black microphones it was one of those nights when you pulled up tonight i thought did we just wear the same thing again but we have enough clothes that have so we wore different uh completely different items different black black tea

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and that'll save you 10% for the lifetime of that membership. It works out to being about $30 per month with our discount code that we use. Which, depending on the month, is about a dollar a day. That's true. February is slightly more expensive, but every time else it is about a dollar a day. That's true.

February's, it's slightly more expensive. That's true. But every time else, it's about a dollar a day. So for the price of a small cup of McDonald's coffee, I actually don't know what a cup of coffee would cost for McDonald's. Probably more than that. I was going to say, I'm surprised you actually know what that costs. No, I have no idea. God, what is a dollar still?

Is there a double cheeseburger or a chicken sandwich a there uh for the price of double cheeseburger for the price of four quarters a day yes there you go um i don't even think those are a dollar i don't know is there a dollar menu at mcdonald's at all i actually i don't know for a while everyone had to have a dollar menu like oh that was the thing that's how you you had to compete with a dollar i don't know they have like a cheap menu but it a dollar? I'm not sure it is anymore. Yeah. Because their other stuff's pretty damn expensive now. I used to like to get two double cheeseburgers and two big chickens.

So that was $4. Do you remember around here when they used to have, I don't know if they did it in Aberdeen. I remember it being in Brookings where. Yeah, the temperature. Yes. The first one was whatever the price was. Yeah. The second quarter pounder was the price.

Oh, it was the temperature. The temperature at noon the day prior. Yes. Which works out great because a lot of times around here it's zero degrees so that one was always free wasn't it i think that was how you got the second one free when if it was below zero at noon the prior day almost that probably sounds like a made-up thing and also at the zoo bar in town when on defense night um however many points the Northern State Wolves held the opposing team to, that's how many cents the drinks cost from like seven to nine. Did they do that a long time? I don't remember that at all.

Yeah, you know, I don't know. It was only for like an hour or two, too. And it was defense night. So if you held them to 50 points, then drinks were 50 cents. That's pretty good. I mean, two for once is always good, too. But yeah. Okay, defense night. if they if you held them to 50 points then you drinks for 50 cents that's pretty good i mean two for once is always good too but yeah okay defense night defense site but a lot of times then it was um like into roadie cups yeah they always give you the cheap yeah but still it's so damn cheap well it's like yeah and i'm sure there's minimal alcohol in there besides but

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discount code 10 off yeah you almost can't afford not to do it you cannot uh we got a lot of stuff to cover today i did actually want to bring something back that we haven't done in a long time and that's podcast reviews oh we haven't read any podcast reviews for a really long time so i went up and dug back up where we were at in the prior went into the into the mailbox yes yes and i finally found some and i we probably haven't read reviews in months that's i think it's a great way to start off the show then right and this is a great reminder head over to apple podcast and leave us a five-star review too we're on the road to the road to 500 i was just thinking it might be cool to get to 500 and if we don't talk about it we're

never going to get there i know and when we get to 500 you know what that means big things then right yeah that's right 500 is a special one this one is from gunner 310 i like podcasts i like podcasts i like this podcast i like other podcasts too this is a good podcast that i like podcasts i was on a podcast once not this podcast podcast, but a different podcast, but I still like this podcast. Next one's from I Want Lift Shorts. Title, From Western Northeast South Dakota with Love. It's always been about the things I love the most. Nothing.

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They shouldn't be more than that. That seems like the item that should be. Yeah. If anything should be a dollar, it's that next one is from lindy royd my favorite podcast there's nothing like starting the day off with a fresh massonomics podcast the guests are always awesome and i really enjoy over under seemed like a pretty sincere podcast review right there so next one is from emily joe underscore life coach that sounds like a woman's name kind of uh that's i'm confused by it this is the last one for the day too so

wives won't mind it oh my husband is all into powerlifting strong man we listen to mass every time we road trip normally i have to sit through some pretty dry podcasts but since he's starting turning on massonomics i don't actually feel the desire to burst my own eardrums they're pretty funny entertaining and their content isn't dry the guests they have are interesting to listen to and the overrated underrated is actually fun to listen to gosh there's some real substance in some of those reviews it was kind of got all angles of the review spectrum there. Yeah. It was good stuff.

I kind of missed those things. Yeah. That's kind of a callback. Yeah. So get out there and leave us a review. We're on that road to the road to 500, and we're not going to get onto the road to 500 unless you leave us a review or another review.

I've always said use someone else's phone, do whatever takes make it happen yeah now we did have a topic in here that's been sitting in here for a number of weeks it has i'm very curious yeah um i think you've let on that i shouldn't be very interested or this right this is much smaller than what i think it might be but i'm just curious what this what this item is and the topic that's been in there is primary lifts order and on multiple occasions i've forgotten what that was even supposed to be about that's how you know it's a good item i know when even you for you put it in you still can't remember the topic uh i wrote it down because it was a topic amongst in the massonomics discord weeks ago you know there was some discussion on it one day about um not starting your training with the primary lift

basically like if you're going into the gym you know if there if is there a purpose to go and not squat first or not deadlift first or not bench press first. Right. That sort of thing. That was kind of the question in the discussion that we had. And first of all, I think there's almost a, you know, you could almost justify just about anything with training. Yeah,

I think you could, you know, there's like maybe I would maybe say like saving your primary lifts till like after you've been there an hour and that might not be the best case. But outside of that, I don't know if there really is a true best case. Right. And I think more often than not, it makes sense for your primary lifts to be early on in the training. I'm just excited.

That's the lift I'm most excited about. That's kind of why I'm there. That's what I want to do. Yeah. Yeah. that's what I want to do. Yeah. Yeah.

I did have a couple examples where in the past or even currently, I don't necessarily have the primary lift as my first lift. And one of those things would be when we all ran the Jackals program, programming for a long time, I always literally, you know, because the Jackals program was a template that a bunch of us used and it was a, you know, because the Jackals program was a template that a bunch of us used,

and it was this printed one-page document, and the literal interpretation of it is on the deadlift day, you do front squats. Front squats are listed before the deadlift. A lot of people in our gym did the deadlift and then the front squats. I think more people did that than not. Yeah, I did the deadlift first still. I think most people did that, but I always did the front squats first, and I actually really liked it.

I continued to do it that way because I liked it, and in time, I eventually switched from front squats to safety squat, but I always did those before deadlift, and I always, particularly on deadlift, I liked the feeling, because the front squats are also only ever two sets in jacks. Ah, that's right, yes. It's only ever two sets yeah it's either two sets of five or two

sets of three don't need a ton of warm-up you're not a ton of working if the front squats were four sets of eight at a high percentage you know i wouldn't have liked it so well but i liked the two sets of five or two sets of three because by the time that i went to the deadlift i was like throw the plates on like i'm gonna pull like like i don't need one plate even really i mean i'll do it for maybe a couple just and like get the plates on let's get going right away and that's that is a good point because out of all the lifts i feel like deadlift is the one that's the hardest to like get going for for yeah i mean it's my least favorite lift yeah it's just it never feels great i that's something to

consider i liked it for that person and it is the literal interpretation of that program it is you're right um but there was a lot of things that we didn't like the hang clean we did not do hang yeah actually you'd have to go back to the old old gym to the last time to see for so to see someone doing jackals and doing the hang cleans i think the original gym that we probably didn't there's maybe some accessories in there that we didn't follow exactly either but i can't even i think we like what's the main deadlift secondary lift like we had a lot of people doing like rdls is rdl or stiff legged deadlifts is that what it is that what it calls for or was that

a massonomics interpretation of that you know what i'm pretty sure i haven't saved my phone here but yeah i bet i could find it right now um let's see yep here we go okay i think i've changed this okay i think i see that's the problem is i think we kind of bastardize it yeah yeah um and we'd all kind of bastardize it in our own ways which is funny because at the end of the day then it does just become a, it is like 10 different programs. Yeah. It's not just one. So this has, it says hang clean front squat, deadlift, bent rows, lat pull sit-ups.

Yeah. That's the order here. And I did not always have bent over rows in there because they're not a favorite of mine. Yeah. But like on the squat day is there a what's the second movement i have squat day i have heavy squat light bench shoulder press leg extension curls what about on the bench day what's like arm curls triceps front but like i

remember you would always do like stiff legged deadlifts oh yeah i did you're right uh no i do rdls right rdls i i okay it's coming back to me now i added those in because i'm like i'm so bad at deadlifting i have to be doing something when would you do that then after deadlifts no no or after squat i do it on squat day yeah yep i do it on squat day but we had a lot we had a lot of people that did uh deadlift variation after the squat yep yep that's what I did. Because then sometimes I'd also do deficits. Yes, that's what I was going to say.

People were either doing deficits or RDLs. I kind of forgot about that. I kind of forgot about the deficits because there was a little time in my life where I did do those. So that's, getting back to my point, that's a good example of flipping the script on order that I liked. Yeah.

The other example I would give, this is late, a little less in the true spirit of that, but on a bench day, I do like doing some sort of pulling back exercise prior as part of my warmup. I consider it more of a warmup, but maybe be maybe slightly beyond warm-up like maybe somewhere in between warm-up and an actual exercise almost

almost closer like the winning warm-up type of thing or whatever but but just very specifically in the sense of uh like a lat pull down prior to actually benching right yeah right yeah i could see that too and i always like that i've just made my shoulders feel better yeah um and i i even as a part of my warm-up now i kind of involve that in some way or another and that that was my second example of that. But those are kind of iffy examples. You know, it's not truly necessarily like, yeah, before I squat, I'm going to go, like, I don't know, hit, like, these three exercises of 3x10s and 4x8s and that sort of thing. Because I think, i don't know unless

unless it's an injury thing i think maybe sometimes people um overestimate maybe the amount of warm-up they need i i've been rethinking that in my life because squats i'm just starting to think maybe i do way too much squatting not as far as weight goes but just reps before i actually get to my working sets yeah and i've tried backing that down because I'd always do the bar for like, yeah, then I do 95, one 35, one,

like if you're, so the other day you did four or five for a set of three. So I, what was your exact warmup? So I intentionally backed it down, intentionally backed it down. And this is what I did. So I do,

I mean, I do a bunch of like air squats. This is warmup, you know, like goblet squats, but then i usually do the bar for eight to ten i'll do then 95 pounds for about eight i'll do 135 for usually about eight i'll do 185 for about six 225 for like five and then this is when i really so when i this is where i backed it down i went less 225 for four i did 275 for two 315 for two 365 for one and then 405 for my triple yeah and i'm like i still think maybe that's too much but the the lighter ones i that's not taxing at all it purely i just think of it as

like move you're warming up like i don't even think of it as an actual exercise under 225 right right right doing eight reps at 135 is not changing my warmup at all. But I also did ride my, I mean, I rode on my bicycle like two and a half miles to the gym too at a pretty aggressive pace. So I'm getting kind of a lot of warmup. Did you do like bird dog? And then I do the juggernaut warmup too.

Yeah, yeah. So I'm probably getting more than what's optimal there. I do similar, but I do less, I think. I guess if I was going to do 405 for my working weight, I would do the bar for five. Maybe I do a few more than five, six, seven, eight. Then 135 for five, 185 for five, 225 for three. And that's where I need to change.

I think I really need to change once I hit 225 is just be at like three or less. Yeah, and that's where I like to be. Then I'd do 275 for three again. Then I'd probably hit 315 for a double and 365 for probably just a single. Maybe two if I just feel like. Yeah, the one before my top set is always a single no matter what. Yeah, I just like doing a lot of squats to get me like ready to squat it's well that's a lot of people's theory too like there's no better warm-up for a squat than squatting too which makes you know you can

I can wrap my head around that also yeah and it always feels by the time I get to the working set it always feels good like I've never I never feel like oh I'm tired from doing too many exercise it's more like it just takes so damn long to go through all of those you know i would never really judge what someone else is doing in term of warm-ups if someone can do it with almost like no warm-up i bet yeah that's maybe what i would do then larry yeah it's the perfect example right like uh deadlifts it's easier to just take big crazy jumps you know it's not as big of a deal but uh just like larry can come in and i feel like he'll put a plate on for squat do that a few times two plates three plates and then he's doing working sets like yeah he didn't do the bar he didn't do air

squats he didn't do anything he's done like eight reps total and now he's into his working sets right he's different though larry legend does just hit differently i think or everyone in the discord upset that we're talking so much about training um maybe it might be that or maybe that i squat oh wait my warm-up no wait we're literally talking about you know the buzzwords sets and sets and reps yeah yeah well we can switch i got a can here yeah let's get back to our roots okay um this isn't a what's in the can because we've had this one like five times there still is a chance you would maybe not get it tanner but we won't do a full what's in the can for this

thing all right you know who i don't mind uh as a singer meatloaf i don't really like meat okay um let me think no you're not gonna guess well it could be anyone i mean i could yeah i could guess it it could be anyone um uh stevie nicks oh that's actually true okay okay uh that's very true um i like fleetwood mac is uh rumors. I think is a sick album. It slaps me. We play that at our house. Like that's hits the turntable really frequently.

I saw big Keith and discord mentioned Judd. Who's yes. I would have also accepted Judd. Who's none of this is where I was going, but it's a Fleetwood Mac. It just reminded me because Chevy had like a commercial for EVs and it was playing fleetwood mac what's it everywhere whatever that song is yeah yeah and i'm like thinking i'm like god who is the song by it seems so modern and then when it finally i kind of got out of my daydream and look at the screen you can see fleetwood mac i'm like it sounds pretty damn modern for being a song probably

from like the early 70s like that song's like 50 years old and it holds up pretty like do people kind of make fun of Stevie Nicks or I don't know if it's Stevie Nicks or I don't know I think sometimes maybe people rag on Fleetwood Mac okay a little I think Fleetwood Mac is good like you know they kind of had a the band had a different direction before the stevie nicks days no like it was a very much more of like a kind of a heavy blues rock okay and see i don't think there was and when i say fleetwood mac is good i you're talking like rumors yeah yeah it's really good album that's like the depth of my uh it's a classic every every track on that album is good yeah you could find someone that says i don't know what Fleetwood Mac it is.

I've never heard of them. And you could play that. And they'd probably know half the words of one of those songs. But no, I was going to say Billie Eilish, I don't mind. Which would maybe be surprising to some people. I actually don't mind Billie Eilish either. Now, at this point with her, because she's been around for, what, four or five years,

point with her because she's been around for what four or five years um the i think she gets i think she has more um talent and more range than what she lets on to because everything's kind of always in sort of this hush sort of whispery thing yeah and i think she has a lot more range than what she shows uh and the closest she got to that for me was on her newest album what was that a year ago um i can't remember what the hell the song is called it was like the last one from the album and she kind of goes into full-on like rock mode towards the end and i'm like oh like this is cool like you're letting loose and this is good i'd love to see more of this but um yeah i think she's very talented and i don't mind her oh and like uh i've seen her on some things like maybe it's hot ones or a few you know i don't know maybe saturday, and like I've seen her on some things like maybe it's Hot Ones or a few,

you know, I don't know, maybe Saturday Night Live or something like that. And I just, in every thing I saw, I remember thinking like, oh, this person doesn't, you know, this person seems not that bad. Yeah. You know, like I don't get that vibe

from a lot of people that are. Especially when you consider that what she, well, now is she 19 maybe? I don't know. She handles the, i think she handles the fame and everything that comes with it fairly well for how young i mean that could change any day but um yeah i think you'd have a hard time justifying hate on her one other thing of note uh the detroit lions were on hard knocks this. Did you watch any of that at all?

I didn't. I wanted to. It's good. Hard Knocks is always good. Having a baby, like, that kind of busy for a minute for me. Because, yeah, I always do enjoy it. This is probably the first year in four years I haven't watched a single episode of it.

And Eminem was there one day at practice. Oh, really? You know, Detroit, of course. And it just made, you know, it really highlighted how there is levels to stardom and stuff, too. How, like, I don't know if he hardly knew any of the guys at all. Like, knew their name whatsoever. Right.

And they were all, like, freaking out. You know, like, their top players were like. I'm sure to this day still, like, when it's time to get pumped up pre-game there's still probably eminem songs going on in every nfl locker room yes because like every dude on that field was like holy shit eminem's here yeah like and wanted to go up and talk to him you know like who's the quarterback jared goff yep was like holy shit it's em you know like yeah like uh jared goff's like pretty a former number one round draft pick. But I don't know if Eminem,

I suppose he knows who Jared Goff is, but barely is what I took from it. Yeah, that's cool. So just an interesting note on the levels to... And the Lions got a win too. Are they one and one? Yeah, the whole NFC North is one and one. It is. And football update, Coak Heft and the Buccaneers are 2-one? Yeah, the whole NFC North is one-on-one. It is.

And football update. Coe Keeft and the Buccaneers are 2-0. Yes, they are. Coe Keeft got some good playing time again this last game. I didn't catch their game at all, so I didn't. That's good to hear, though. Yeah, they played the Saints. More like the Aints, if you ask me.

We did have some people shared some nice fantasy football stories in the discord i'm not sure oh yeah yeah yeah um i did take take pleasure in reading some of how's your fantasy football team doing um i did pretty amazing this week i had to look because my team scored like 168 points and i'm like i think that's pretty good for a week and i believe that is we can finally check that uh primary list order thing it's gone we've done it i i does that mean we've read we've done everything ever on our list here no there's a wedding story that's still in there still lingering around but that might have to wait yeah can't rush some of these no um i mean then the podcast would be done we covered everything then that's true we would

never have anything else to talk about here again should i do uh supporting our supporting members yet or do we want to wait on that oh i think i think now's a great time okay and i haven't done this done it this way in a while this certain particular type of supporting our supporting members so um i want to shout out several supporting members uh some of the more recent additions to the club so big adrian gluck thank you for supporting big nathaniel's and yeah good some good content yeah just pumping out good content on uh glucks gym big nathaniel stevenson uh thanks for joining the crew big nate mo mo strength yes thanks for having mo strength and thanks for being in the crew big christopher morgan thank you for joining the Massonomics Discord crew.

Big Michael Giacone. I don't know if I'm saying that right. Thank you for supporting. I'm going to assume that's definitely right. Yeah, that's got to be. Big Tom Ryan. Thank you for having a name I can pronounce. You're like, oh, his name is just Tommy and his brother's name.

Wait, is this a practical joke? Tom Ryan? I don't know about that one. Big Brody Weinmeister. Thank you. These beverages are five ways. Thank you.

Big Colton. Thanks for supporting. Big Kurt Locker. Thank you for supporting. Big Ethan. I usually don't read the last names. I don't know why I started reading the last names. You're really giving some people some real shout outs. Yeah, that's some real shout outs. I feel like that's not

anonymous enough. I'm going to stick to the first names on the rest of these. Big Ethan. North Dakota guy, but recently transplanted out of North Dakota to Vermont we won't hold that against you though so still thank you for supporting Big Liz that sounds

like a woman that's interesting thank you for supporting and another big Kurt we had a Curtis and a Kurt wow thank you for supporting yeah that's too too many curts if you ask me we'll let them sort that one out yeah so thank you for to our supporting members

thank you did uh we want to do it do a little something to them this is a little something time yeah okay oh i uh this is also interesting update i've been doing some pretty sick yo-yo tricks at home oh have you you don't want to do it oh yo-yos in like they i feel like i was in grade school golden age yeah when i was probably in like fourth or fifth grade yeah yeah that to me they were banging then i think that's just cyclical uh are they coming back again yeah Yeah, because Jack and a bunch of his friends, you can't get the yo-yo out of... He's in fifth grade. Maybe it is just a fifth grade thing.

That could be. I haven't kept up with fifth grade. He is constantly, to my wife's sheer annoyance, never not flinging his yo-yo around. And I probably haven't yo-yoed uh since probably like fifth sixth grade and i couldn't have ever described how to do it but the first time i did it and try it i could do the cat's cradle again really yeah that's pretty good like uh i kind of always struggle with that one because if you start bouncing it around all weird, it gets away from you.

Like, I had to have, because I was like, I was in shock because I'm like, I couldn't even remember that I knew how to do it. I just like, it was just. It just popped right into your hand. Yeah. Oh, God. You're a machine on that thing. Whoa.

I know. And I like, I was like, had to try it multiple times because I was like, do I still know how to do that? I'm like. You make that look so easy. And I, it's. No one will see that video besides me. It is like one of those crazy bike riding things though or something where i'm like i don't even know how to say how i did that i just like that one long enough to have

that quick yeah to that yeah that's yeah okay but um which is i guess doing the trick is cool or whatever but the shocking part to me i was like how do i know how to do that your hands go i was like that is crazy what else can i do then you went out could i do cartwheels someone quick get me a piano wow that's pretty impressive uh i'm i can almost guarantee you i can't have i can't do that after seeing that but i don't think i could learn it now it's a secret power that you just get a yo-yo in someone's hand and they start doing things. Oh, yeah. Caps cradle, of course.

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This is the next generation of American Iron. Only available from the Strength Company. I'll show you smooth but easy to grip yeah uh we just got some new strength co plates this week i saw that what do we get uh three more pairs of fives another pair of tens another pair of 35s where the are these just to round out yeah just rounding out sets now after i have those i realize we need one more set of fives and two more sets of 25s and then are both both racks matching they're already matching but i just want that to have what looks to be like a more full sets to me like they're already how many 25s are on each one right now there's four on each two on

each side of each rack and you say we need how many more i would like to get two more sets so that there's three on each side okay i just feel like that peg is looking a little empty it does it does and that's why i want another you know so i want four more 25s one for each side of each rack right for no there is no time that they need to get used it's just that many it just i 100 yeah that's all it is and then i mean that's 90 of all gyms and then now each one has two sets of two and a halves three sets of fives three sets of tens just the two sets of 25s where i want three sets and then six sets of uh 45s and they each now have one set of 35s all right so i So I want, I need one more set of fives to actually make it a full three sets on each

and then two more sets of 25s to make it a full three sets on each. Then I will feel better about that for now. No, it serves, literally that is purely for the way it looks. Well, yeah. It's kind of like preserving the 25s on the inside. That's true.

They'll probably never have to come off of there. They really don't because even if someone's dead lifting and pulls, they'll find a way to come off of there. They really don't because even if someone's deadlifting and pulls they'll find a way to come off of there. There will be a day where those two will be missing somehow. Yeah, somehow they'll actually be gone way over on another. When I say there'll be a day, it will be within three days of them being on that rack.

But in theory, it seems like they should never have to be there. Oh, should we kick off the Discord? Yeah, let's get them out of here. See you, Discord. All right, they're gone. All right, should we get Big Jacob on the horn?

Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Let's hope. Good evening, good evening. How's it going? Big Jacob, is that you? That's me, that's me. How's it going, guys? Good, you're live on the Massanomics Podcast with Tanner and Tommy. What's up, Jacob? Yes, yes, the TNT show.

Yeah, the real TNT show. Yeah, you know, those other guys are recording their podcast tonight they're probably pissed that i'm doing you're like jacob we wanted you tonight what could you possibly have going on and you're like oh just some family stuff you wouldn't you wouldn't understand yeah no yeah you know i just say some sd stuff yeah you know they don't they don't know the lingo they They'd be like, they still think we're in North Dakota. A new thing that we started doing. Could you give us your life story in like two minutes so that anyone that's listening that's not familiar with you

knows a little bit about you? I will do my best. Sometimes we restrict it to 10 words, but we'll give you a few more than that. Oh, 10 words would be very tough. Very tough. Because I've lived a unique life thus far. We'll just put it that way. All right. So here we go. Born in Pittsburgh, Texas, raised on a farm, started lifting when I was 14. My dad was a big lifter, kind of didn't compete, but power lifted, bodybuilded, and worked shift work his whole life. So like he would always, nights, days, cycle back and forth. He would always lift before he came home.

So like that was just kind of my example growing up. Played football, basketball track, had some college scholarship offers, had seven concussions, couldn't play. Went to TCU, wasn't going to train at all. I was going to do a PhD in neuroscience. Ended up getting a call from a friend of mine who was a coach on the Bears. Knew a guy who owned a private gym in Chicago who's like, you can come up and train professional athletes. So it was like my, gosh, second or third flight of my life when I came to Chicago. I was like 21, 22. And yeah, I took the job and then I've been here ever since. So I used to run that gym, trained a few pro bowlers for the NFL. I trained Luol Deng, who's a two-time all-star.

I had Olympic medalist in bobsled. I had someone in, I think, pretty much every Division I national championship, even, like, lacrosse and rowing. And then I went to work more with luol towards the end of his career um ended up getting close with the barbell brigade crew um met tom because i was wearing a tom callous because i was wearing a barbell brigade shirt at church then we started he was like he was like i know those people i was like, I know those people. I was like, Oh, I know them too. And, uh, it was so random anyway. And I didn't realize that Tom lived literally like 15, 20 minutes from me.

He was so close and I knew who he was. I just never actually met him. Anyway, we started training together. Um, and then, yeah, he went, he left half his body in Miami after one of those meets. And, uh, that's kind of where we started our smart strength our online training and that somewhat gets us to today somewhat pretty good you did really good on that because you almost you almost answer like half of our questions right yeah i don't really know what we're gonna do we're kind of scrambling nice talking to you perfect well we just talked about south dakota i mean that's what the fans want, yeah, you said you grew up on a farm.

What kind of farm can mean a lot of different things? Like what was the farm like you grew up on? Sure. So during my time, we were just doing cattle. And then we had like maybe two or three acres for crops. But that was just for us. Like we didn't really sell it. The total land was like 90 to 100 acres, something like that.

But now back in the day, they used to like I'm talking along like 150 years ago, they used to grow sugar cane because we have a creek that runs through it and it had a mill and they could make syrup. And then at some point it switched to watermelons. And then by the time I came along, it was cows. some point it switched to watermelons and then by the time I came along it was cows so mostly mostly cows and uh you know my grandpa ran it and it was uh at that point it was more so just kind of keeping the family legacy than it was uh trying to really make a lot of money off of it yeah that's cool um you have South Dakota ties of some kind too, don't you? I do. I do actually. You tipped me off on this a little bit and I was so curious about it that that's like the number one thing we got to get to is what are,

what are your South Dakota ties? Sometimes that's kind of rare. Well, well, first of all, like y'all's accents, I just, I appreciate because it reminds me of my family. And like, I just, so my dad was an army brat and his dad, so my grandfather, tried to join the Navy during World War II, but he was like 15. So they wouldn't let him. And he walked down the street, joined the army, they let him join. So he served until they kicked him out. So 35 years. And they ended up in south dakota that was

his last place he was he was the army recruiter and um so my dad um went to gayville high school he played for the raiders played football um and then they ended up i think um some of my family ended up in yankton and then i still have family in pier um one of my cousins ended up in Yankton. And then I still have family in Pierre. One of my cousins, I remember I went to South Dakota as a kid because he was running the state track meet. And so I went up to watch him run in the state track meet. And actually, that cousin's the one who still lives in South Dakota. He lives in Pierre. And I was just there this summer.

I was in Black Hills. I was in Deadwood. I was in Leed. I was in Pierre. It was awesome. I had such a good time so you even yeah oh yeah i drove uh not the highway the like two like the two-lane road that literally you can just go straight for like three hours and you go from from lead to appear like direct it's amazing

does it say the two-lane highway or the the one-way road that just goes for hours that that's like every road in south yeah i was gonna say you're just describing all of them kind of like that distance you traveled uh from lead to pier like if you kept going that general direction for that distance again then you'd get to us pretty much so well that's that was my mistake i went down to the highway to come back home i I should have just kept on going straight. Yeah, you were halfway there. You guys had to keep going. That is interesting, though, that you have that connection.

And were you on a motorcycle trip or something like that? I was. I was. I got a group of guys at church. We picked somewhere every year to ride. And so we said, let's do Black Hills, but before the rally. We weren't going to go during the rally and do all that we went before the rally i would recommend not doing the rally for sure that's a yeah yeah it was amazing though i mean you can tell how much south dakota loves

motorcyclists because the roads are like perfect you know everything's well marked i mean it's really really it's some of the best riding i've ever done it was amazing yeah it's cool the riding in the black hills is like the coolest experience ever on a motorcycle i think it's really, it's some of the best riding I've ever done. It was amazing. Yeah, it's cool. The riding in the Black Hells is like the coolest experience ever on a motorcycle, I think. It's, you know, it's tough to be rivaled by much. No, I mean, you can do everything there. I mean, you know, you have like needles and you have just some of the just normal roads. And I mean, I would say like in terms of like technical like riding i think uh tail the dragon in tennessee it's probably still my favorite because it's it's such a technical ride but it's not relaxing yeah i don't you don't want to die like you don't want to fall off the side of the mountain to die

everything in south dakota was like super relaxing to me it was it was awesome i really enjoyed it and then we got stuck by the uh the buffalo out there too which was pretty cool uh would that be like a custer state park or something like that or yeah like that like wild game trail or whatever that kind of cuts through there yeah we got stuck on that and they were like you know everybody's telling us like don't have your motorcycles like they'll attack you so we were all going like super slow it was fun. Tommy, do you know where Gayville is, or have you heard of that before? I've heard of it. I don't know if I've hardly heard of that before.

I think it's kind of south of Sioux Falls. Is it close to Yankton? Yes, it is close to Yankton. Yeah. There's just enough small towns around that it's hard to keep track of all of them. I would like to do as much South Dakota geography in this episode as possible. of all of them. I would like to do as much South Dakota geography in this episode as possible.

Well, Gayville, I've never been to Gayville, but my dad told me I think they played seven-man football. So it's a pretty small town. They did used to have seven-man football in South Dakota. They don't anymore. Like, I grew up playing nine-man football at my high school.

Half of the state plays nine-man football, and half of the state plays nine-man football and half of the state plays 11-man football. So wait, who do you drop out in nine-man football? The two offensive tackles. So you have center guard, guard, then depending on your formation, possibly one tight end or two tight ends. You're called guards if you play that first offensive lineman next to the center and then there there isn't offensive tackles and on defense you either

play a four two so a four man front two linebackers and uh two corners and a safety or you play a three three so three uh down linemen three lineers, and then three defensive backs. And it's a trap. Yeah, and they used to play on 90-yard fields. Those don't really exist anymore, so it's all 100-yard fields. So if you have the fastest team, you're hard to beat in nine-man football because

there's that many less people on the field, and if you get the corner, it's hard to beat speed in nine-man football. No, I mean, that's, uh, it's hard to, it's hard to, uh, yeah, it's hard to beat speed in nine men football. Yeah, no, I mean, that's what, that's what I was about to say. Like if you're running a four or two and you've got some like super athletic defensive ends, I mean, they're going to be up in the quarterback's face, like almost instantly. Right. And with all the stuff you can do it, but, but to the same point that you don't have the coverage and you can,

if you got some good receivers, you can just lay it out there and be gone. That's incredible, actually. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's a different game a little bit. So I played nine-man. But coming up, we did play against some exhibition games against 11-man teams. And what you do in that case is whoever's on offense, if you're the 11-man team, when you're on offense, you play with 11.

The other team plays with 11 on defense. And if you're the 9-man team, then you both play 9-man when you're on offense. It's kind of interesting. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, Texas is obviously the opposite, right? My town had 3,000 people in it. We were the only school in the entire county. And our stadium had 2, 000 people that would come on

fridays like you know like yeah like two-thirds of the of the town and surrounding community community would come to watch high school football i mean it's just incredible yeah our thing was there barely was bleachers even what everyone people have probably seen this before i don't know how common it is but they line the field is lined with vehicle everyone parks facing the field on like just just off the field you know just you know there's the team stand on each opposing sideline of course but then it's a complete 360 degree circle of vehicles facing the field and a lot of times pickups back up to it yeah or you just sit in the car and watch the game like right i went to a school that was big enough that didn't have that,

but I 100% know exactly what you're talking about because we would go play at some schools that that is how it was there. That's incredible. I mean, I'm surprised. If the team's good, then people would not give up their spots, and they would just leave their vehicle parked in the spot all week long to not lose their football spot.

That's incredible. That's incredible. Phenomenal. Actually. Like, I wonder if anybody ever parked like a tractor. I remember people bringing like RVs, like park,

you know, kind of like, like when you're like 30 or 40 and you're watching like your kids and your kids, friends and stuff, it's just like a party, you know they're on the field right yeah well i mean what else are you gonna do right like i mean that's that that's it like that's what it's all about that's awesome that's true you talked about your dad how he was you know real into lifting as you grew up uh which

that's that's that's really cool have you ever seen the music video or heard it? It's a Bob couch, pump iron at all. And, or maybe you've come across on Instagram. If not, you need to check it out after this. Uh,

it's pretty classic. And it just, as you talked about it, it kind of, your dad, dad maybe reminded me of Bob couch in the music video. I will have to check it out. I don't know it off the top of my head.

I'm sure I've seen it. Like you probably have crossed it it's a classic it just reminds me of the uh it reminds me of the pumping iron song from the documentary you know the we're pumping iron yeah yeah the song is different than that one but that's also a good song yeah yeah i mean that's i'm surprised that hasn't made it back into some like instagram reels or something yeah classic song well the two of the us massomics and you will both have to take that on and get that uh get that out there to people more well i'm just like i'm just glad to meet you guys because i've heard so much about you you know tom and tom are always talking smack about you guys and how terrible you are and how you know all that and so like it's just

fun for me because uh you know anytime there's this many people in my life that like intersect with somebody it's like i can't wait to meet them like i'm always looking forward to it so this is great well and also i think maybe before i even uh saw you through tom and tom and smart strength official and all that i'd seen you maybe on um with silent mike and jim mcd on their podcast possibly right yeah so i did uh i did the power cast back in when it was a power cast 2015 or 16 um charlie zamora actually was the one who like really pushed for me to get on there mark mark didn't know me and he was like dude this guy's trained all these pro bowlers and this and that. You got to have him on. And I was in LA a lot with Lewal at the time.

And so I drove up to Sacramento and I did that. And then I did 50% facts. I came back. I was in California again a lot back then. And so, yeah, I was on there with Jim and Mike. And I still talk to them somewhat frequently. It's like a lot of close friends who live far away. You would love to talk to them somewhat frequently. Like I would love, it's like a lot of, you know, like close friends who live far away, like you would love to talk to them more. Um, but obviously the last couple

of years have been difficult for everybody in terms of moving around and seeing people you want to see. But yeah, I love those guys so much. Um, yeah, it's, I've been fortunate to like meet, I think a lot of the good guys in the fitness industry. Um, you know, there's obviously the other side for every industry. It doesn't matter what it is i've been kind of fortunate i think to fall into the the good guys category so to speak yeah i think you have too yeah you mentioned except for tom and tom yeah except for those dirt bags those little pieces of shit over there they're always copying our good ideas and uh our cups yeah we came yeah i don't know if you're aware we had come out with these uh silicone silly pints silicone pint glasses and i don't know maybe

we had them out for like a month or so something like that and then wouldn't you know those guys come out with them shortly thereafter i'm pretty sure that's how it went i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that we had silent mike on our. They have him on the next week. Yep. So we lined up with this podcast episode with you months ago, and then all of a sudden you start being on their podcast all the time. You know, look, everybody's taking the Apple approach. You guys are not.

The Apple approach is, let's not invent it. Let's just come out and market it so it's sexier and better right yeah so you guys just you just need to hire somebody on your marketing team you know like get it out there a little sexier a little sooner and so everyone can stop stealing your ideas yeah so we maybe just need to hire somebody the first step is someone they don't even have to be good at anything uh so you talked about luau dang i'm surprised yeah i would have guessed that he was more than a two-time nba all-star actually i just i i feel like did he get snubbed some years in there yeah so so i would say that you are a uh real fan then uh because if you remember that era of basketball when the Bulls were,

I think by all accounts, a championship contender until Derrick Rose got hurt. For sure. You know, Lewal had the task of like guarding the best person every night. So Kobe in his prime and LeBron in his prime and Dwyane Wade in his prime and like everybody in their best, like that was Lewal's job. But he also scored enough to be an all-star. And this is back when, you know, threes weren't really a thing unless you were a specialist. So Lou didn't really take threes.

And he led the league in minutes. So he's starting the best player. He's putting in enough baskets from twos, right, to actually be at an all-star level. And he's playing 42 to 44 minutes a game. And back then, they used to play four games in five nights. You know, like it wasn't like it is now where, like, there's only, like, three back-to-backs a whole year. They would freaking play four games in five nights. You know, like it wasn't like it is now where like there's only like three back to backs a whole year. They would freaking play four games in five days. I mean, it's incredible.

And so, yeah, like there was a couple of years there, I think, where his stats and the team was good enough that he easily could have been selected. There was just a lot of good threes at that time, to be honest. And Lewall's thing is like he's such a quiet guy. He never was like in quiet guy. He never was like in the media. He was never talking about himself. And I think to some extent that was probably a detriment because people overlooked him. You know, if you look him up on the Chicago Bulls stats, he's like second, third or fourth in every category. It's like Jordan, Kippen, and then either him or Bob Love. And so like, he's one of the best players of all time for one of the

greatest, you know, organizations of all time, and people don't even recognize that. Again, I just think it's because he was just, hey, I'm going to do my work, and it's what made coaches and GMs love him, but it's not as good for your brand at the end of the day. That makes sense. So it was Derrick Rose, him, Joakim Noah,

So it was Derek Rose, him, Joakim Noah, and who else? It was like Carlos Boozer or someone on that team? Yeah, he was there for a year or two, wasn't he? He was. They did have a really good team, though, too. Kirk Heinrich was there. Ben Gordon was there. They had the bench mob for a while. Richard Hamilton played there towards the end of his career.

They really had a good squad. It's just when Derek got hurt, it just all fell apart. I was actually just in Senegal with Derek, Joe Kim, and Lou, which is kind of interesting. All these years later, we were in Senegal together, so that was pretty cool yeah uh did did luau did he what was his route to the nba did he play college basketball in the united states where did he yeah so so we could do a whole uh podcast on luau if you guys want to do a special episode um but i will try to give you i will try to give you his life story in two minutes so he was born in south sudan and a lot of people um you know

just make them make the mistake because they just don't know of saying that he's sudanese well sudan used to be one country they had a civil war for a long time and they and they fought for their independence so now it's sudan and in south sudan they're separate countries so he was born in south sudan um and then he had to flee when he was five because his dad worked in the government and because of the war that was going on they were trying to assassinate people in the government so they fled to egypt he was a refugee in egypt for five years uh manu bowl who's you know everybody i think knows manu bowl one of the tallest players of all time he was south sudanese he came in the summer to like teach the kids in the camp

how to play basketball because everybody played soccer right and so his brothers learned to play basketball and from a newt and they taught luke then they got political asylum in the uk so he went to the uk at like age probably 10 i think 9 or 10 around there and that's where he really started playing he was actually a really good soccer player he He got one of those offers from a Premier League team, like the youth development offer, where they give you a pretty good amount of cash, but you have to drop out of school and join the academy. And his dad was like, no, we did not literally move

halfway around the world so that you can drop out of school. Pick a sport where you can stay in school. And so he's like, okay. So he started playing basketball. And then he went from there to Blair Academy in New Jersey, which he played with Charlie Villanueva and Royal Ivy, who both played in the NBA. Royal Ivy is still a coach for the Brooklyn Nets right now.

And then he went to Duke for one year. Okay, I was wondering if he went to Duke. I couldn't remember that now for sure. He was one of the first one and dones at Duke. And actually when he committed there, Coach Krzyzewski would not let you be a one and done. You could only commit, he would only take you if you were committed for three to four years.

So Lewald went there fully intending on staying for his whole college career. Then pulled a fast one on him. He's like, ha ha, I got you Coach K. You know, they went to the final four. And Lew led the team and and everything and and he has agents calling him saying you're going to be a top you know probably three to five round draft pick and you're going to make 10 million dollars right away and it was like you know look like we literally walked like we literally walked out of our country like to save ourselves like i'm

not turning that down and actually coach k at the time i actually like banned him from the facilities it was like a big deal really wouldn't let him he was doing his nba draft workout stuff like somewhat like playing like uh pick up in like this like a duke recreation gym because he was so mad at him that he had like supposedly hoodwinked him right at this point they're cool like they're very good friends at this point but but back then he was like really upset. That does seem like part of the problem with college sports, though, too. If you have this guy that grew up with little opportunity, now he has the chance to make millions of dollars,

and then the coach is blacklisting you because of that. I'll put a stop to that. I'm like, I don't know. That doesn't sit very well with me me i don't think well it's like a lot of things i think you know there's this this idea of like transitioning from the age of like there's this like morals and and character and all these things that that that we put a high presence on in sports but when you get to a high enough level those things realistically are thrown to the side for the economics of it. Right. And so it's it was it's an interesting thing that used to it doesn't really happen anymore. But it used to like, you know, they kind of throw this moral high ground character high ground on you. And it's like, well, wait a second. How much money are you guys bringing in?

I'm not getting, you know, like how many decisions are you making about money? Not necessarily about my education. Like, by the way, if I i couldn't play you wouldn't be giving me stuff for free so the economics are really the underlying thing there and there's also like this thing that people seem to think that like if you all of a sudden are taking money in any way that you're just like morally corrupt it's like you can't have both here like it's one or the other well and why are you going to college? Because you can get a job and make money. Right.

Like, goodness gracious. Like, I don't know of any degree that's going to give you a $10 million contract when you're 18. Out the gate on year one. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why. I mean, to be honest, if you don't take that and you're in college, you probably aren't smart enough to be in college. Yeah. You should probably get the heck out of there. Right. again it's all changed now like guys get it now and actually yeah i don't know if you saw this they just came out saying that they're

re-examining the one and done rule where they're going to allow kids to go straight straight straight to pros from high school again which i think they should do in my opinion i think it should be allowed yeah i don't have a problem with that either. I don't know what maturing do you do by going to a college for one year when you have no intention of sticking around any longer than that.

To be honest, it's not even a year. You honestly go to class for one semester of class. That's it. Because if you're any good, you're playing in the tournament in March, and then you're dropping out of school as soon as it's done so you can prepare for the draft. It's one semester of classes.

It's just ridiculous. If you want to make that decision, go for it. Yeah, I'm sure the NCAA has their greasy hands of not wanting that to go. Our farming system will dry up? No. You mean the mafia? Right. Yeah, exactly.

I've never seen an organization that does so little make so much money. I mean, it's really incredible. It's the same thing as like FIFA, like all that stuff. Like these quote-unquote governing bodies, they have all these rules and regulations. They act like it's really important for them to be there but it's like wait a second if you weren't here would we still play yeah i mean and like back in the day i get it but at this point with the tv deals and the media deals and every university has their own complete departments for all that stuff i mean it just it's becoming less and less, I think,

or more and more apparent that they're not necessary, and I think that's what's scary for the NCAA and why they're trying to adjust so quickly and change some of these things so they can at least hold on to the lower D1s and D2s and D3s. Yeah, that makes sense. A few weeks ago, we had Silent Mike on the show, actually, and something that came up we were talking about uh you know how freaky some high level top sport athletes are uh you know

we're we're into power lifting strong man the strength sports and stuff like that and there's some seriously strong strong people men and women that have uh uh taken it seriously and like done some really impressive stuff but we were talking about genetically how some of these people that were so gifted that they decided to play these sports like basketball or football professionally because there's so much money there like from your experience you know you've worked with NBA players NFL players that sort of thing like how freaky are some of these top level guys that you've been around and seen some of the stuff that they do yeah yeah i mean it's a it's a great question and then i'll

just say for for any listeners who are still sticking around and and i i've i've done strong man and power lifting and i've done one bodybuilding meet so i'm i'm not dan bell or tom callous or or hug them but i'm at least done some of it in the arena um so i understand somewhat what it takes to prep it and go through it but um you know i would say like i've trained guys like there's this guy bruce gaston um that i used to train i trained him in high school and i trained him in college and i trained him he was a couple years in the pros, you know, Bruce would come in to the gym and bench, you know, I don't know, five, 10, five 20 and not have not having not benched in maybe two or three months. Like just, and, and he didn't even understand that that was a deal. Like he just, that's what I do.

Right. And like, it's just what I do. Right. And like, it's just what I do. And like, uh, this one guy, Landon Cox, who was a wide receiver, he was, he would walk around about two 15, probably four to 5% body fat, his diet for breakfast. And if he ends up ever listening to this one day, he'll laugh because I make fun of him all the time. His diet for breakfast was, um, orange juice and Skittles. That's what he would eat for breakfast. And one day I'm training like the lineman the nfl lineman group right we're doing fat bar floor preps like like max effort heavy because i kind of did a modified conjugate style for those guys and um he comes in he's making fun of him like why are you

guys lifting such white like lightweight like we talk about this like 415 on a fat bar to a floor press and like landing gets down there cold weighing 215 goes all the way down elbows on the floor pods it and just pops it back up like no problem i mean you you have guys like that and again on a regular basis at that level who have some sort of very unique physical attribute or skill about them that you just it just blows your mind i mean devin hester was one of the most athletic people i've ever seen um you, you know, if any old, old NFL fans remember how he would return kicks. I mean, the guy, he could just do some stuff in the gym. It was crazy, but there's a guy named Brandon McGowan. If you, again, if you really know your, your NFL history, he was a safety for the Patriots

and the bears, but he used to take, like, we had like one of those kind of big, you know, taller tractor tires, like it would be on the back rim of the tractor. And he used to flip it, do a front dive through the tire, roll on the ground, turn around and pop up and catch it before it hit the ground. Like that was just like, like fun for him, right? Like just something to do. Um, and Asia Evans actually, so she, she's the person I trained. Uh, she, she was a track star at university of Illinois. And then I trained her for, um, for the bobsled because at that time they were recruiting heavily on track and she was like, you know, I want to keep doing something. And I think I have a chance to this bobsled stuff. So they all get cool. Like, I don't know anything about bobsled,

but like, let's figure it out together. Um, and you know, Asia, um, I've seen her box squat, like no belt, no knee sleeves, no anything like four Oh five for reps. And she went to the, they have like a combine and I don't do a lot of Olympic lifting with my athletes. Um, and she power cleaned, I think two 65 and we hadn't even cleaned once in like a year. Like, I mean, she's just blowing people away. Um, you know, any, even my wife even my wife my wife uh used to compete in

figure she got six at the olympia a couple times back in the day and she almost out squatted one of my uh one of my basketball guys last summer just cold like you know we have three kids now and like she still works out but like not like that like she just came in the gym and did like i was like 245 for like nine reps on squat like cold i mean like it it's funny like within fitness like there's this like stratosphere of like people and and sometimes i have to stop and like kind of like self pat myself on the back like jacob it's okay like uh what was it uh feel handy like you're good enough you're smart enough you know like i'm decently strong

and like, I'm decently big and you know, Oh shoot. I mean, two Christmases ago, uh, Dan, Dan Bell was up here. Right. And I had, I had met Dan. I had never lifted with them ever. And you know, we go to Tom's and I got there early. So, cause I had to do trap bar deadlift that day. I'm like, well, I know Dan's going to use all of Tom's plate. So let me get there early and like get my deadlift stuff. So I did, I got there early. I did like 805 for five or 805 for three, which I think is pretty good for a trap bar deadlift. And you know, Dan comes in and Dan was like so excited for me. Like he was really like,

genuinely just so hyped. He reminded me a lot of Brian Shaw. Like Brian Shaw is like so genuinely just excited for anything reminded me a lot of uh brian shaw like brian shaw is like so genuinely just excited for anything you have to say you could say i had vanilla ice cream and brian shaw's oh my gosh that's amazing and um you know dan was just so fired up for me and then you know watching dan squat i think he squatted 10 40 that day for sure a single i think he was trying to double it and he went he went for the second rep and we had to take it because he's like I got a little bit out of the group um but like just seeing that in person just like oh my gosh and I've been blessed to see things like that multiple times throughout my life in different ways and jumping and running and sprinting and throwing

and all these like really really cool things that most people never get to witness and so like I feel very blessed to like see that and again it just realigns my idea of like what's strong or what's athletic for sure so you've seen some beasts yeah those are some impressive stories yeah yeah uh switching gears for a second can you rank these three rosses from best to worst. Okay. These are in no particular order to you. Bob Ross, the painter, of course.

Jim Ross, who is the WWE announcer, the guy that wears a cowboy hat and had a very southern accent. Okay. The one that didn't have the crowd on right yes yes and then ross from friends oh my gosh well i never i never watched friends so that's got to be the worst i think that's pretty fair actually i'm in alignment yeah friends is

not good i don't think so yeah i i tried, well, see, growing up, I only had three channels. I had ABC and BC and Fox because that's all our 40 foot antenna got. And so if it wasn't on those three channels and it wasn't something that my Southern Baptist upbringing deemed appropriate to watch, I was not allowed to watch it. So I never saw Friends growing up. And like one time as an adult, I don't know, on Netflix or something, I was like, let me just see what this is about. Like, no, it was terrible. I'll turn it off quickly. So, yeah, on Netflix or something. I was like, let me just see what this is about. No, it was terrible. I'll turn it off quickly. So yeah, he's worse.

I would say Jim Ross would have to be second because Bob Ross is clearly number one because there's a picture of my son whose hair is super, super curly and we had combed it out and I put it right next to a picture of Bob Ross

and it almost looks identical with the hair it's incredible so bob ross has to be number one because he might be my cousin i was gonna eat no particular relation that you're aware of though no no no not at all not at all but i will i will repost that i'll find it reposted because it's actually really really fun i think okay that's good uh bob ross was a drill sergeant too in a pro oh yeah that's right yeah interesting fact that seems odd and what did he really like squirrels he would often pull out his baby squirrels on on the set of uh he did yeah oh he'd bring his like baby squirrels and stuff like that wow didn't know that part interesting character now now let, let me ask you guys a question real quick.

Who's the most interesting person ever out of South Dakota? Or maybe your top three, if you had to rank them. I'm just curious. Well, interesting, I'm not sure. Adam Vinatieri. Okay. I mean, he pops up on the list sometimes. Mike Miller, you'd be aware of him for sure, the basketball player.

pops on the list sometimes mike miller you'd be aware of him for sure the basketball player um politically there's probably a few people that uh uh i don't know which uh lawrence welk where was he from oh yeah that's like grenville isn't it yeah lawrence welk are you familiar with lawrence welk at all no i'm not they do uh they do like a parody of him on SNL or they used to. He had like He was like the polka king. Yeah, and he had a show on like maybe PBS or something like that. Yeah, for like a really long time. Yeah, for like decades.

What's his name? I'm trying to think of who would be him on that show. Yeah, I don't remember. Brock Lesnar. just down the road from us, actually. Tatiana, you're kind of nailing this so far.

There's got to be someone better than all of those that I'm missing. I feel like it's not wow. None of those are really a wow. That's the best ever i mean well okay like let me give you comparison so pittsburgh texas yeah no h no h on the end of it because we don't do sign letters well down there okay uh so we just we just locked that bad boy right off of there so um we're famous for i would say three things and this is all confirmable uh via the

interwebs if you want to get on there and look it up. So number one, we were first in flight in America. It was not those stupid Wright brothers and with their license plates in North Carolina. It was Pittsburgh, Texas, the Ezekiel airship. Google it. But basically...

Was it really a man-powered? It was. Is there any asterisks to this we need to know? Right, right. So here's the story. Quickly. Was it a man-powered? It was. Is there any asterisks to this? Right, right. So here's the story. Quickly, here's the story. So there was a preacher who said that he had an angel come to him in the middle of the night and give him this passage in Ezekiel that inspired him to build a flying machine, right?

So he built it, and he flew it over, I don't know, like three or four pastures basically. So like he was in the air for like, I don't know, 60 seconds or something. And he was like, this is awesome. I'm going to go show the world. So we can't prove that, but he was invited to the world's fair in Chicago. He did put his plane on a train to go to the world fair. And that train did wreck on the way, destroying his plane. So that is confirmed, and he was never able to rebuild it before the Wright brothers flew. So there's a museum in Pittsburgh with a model of the Ezekiel Airship hanging up in the sky.

Are you sure it wasn't one of those comical flight things from old black and white video where they all go off the ramp and all go immediately down into the water? Like they have like flapping bird wings and stuff like that i think it's very possible like yeah very possible three pastures so so so that's one uh number two carol shelby is actually from a town called leesburg which is is is literally like i don't know like two miles from pittsburgh like if you live in Leesburg you should tell people you're from Pittsburgh it's like one of those towns um so he actually had a farm not far from from where I where I grew up uh for a long time as

well until he passed away obviously that's a pretty cool one and then uh the last one is um we had uh we were the second largest chicken producer in the nation, Pilgrim's Pride Chicken. And this guy named Bo Pilgrim started it. And he actually dressed and looked like a pilgrim, like the hat and everything. And then he had a chicken named Henrietta. So there was a statue that they built outside of this freezer plant. And again, you can look this up. Bo Pilgrim's head was made to like, I don't know, like 20, 30 times larger than it was in real life.

It looked like like hole 18 of a putt putt golf course. And they painted it like they painted it. It wasn't like bronze or like painted it. It looked and then underneath it, it was him and Henrietta as a gold statue. And then he had what they call Cluckingham Palace. It's like this baller MTV crib house in freaking Pittsburgh, Texas. I mean, it's insane

that this even exists anywhere, much less in Pittsburgh, Texas. If the fans want a deep dive, look up those three things. It'll be interesting. I feel like you have a speech with those ones. I thought of three more things. I don't think any of them are quite as exciting the guy who wrote The Wizard of Oz

oh that's a big thing he lived in Aberdeen for a while that's noteworthy if we're going to talk business the Super 8 hotel chain was started in Aberdeen as well that's a big deal too

it is a big deal there's still a lot of people riding pretty high started in Aberdeen as well. That's a big deal too. Oh, it is a big deal. It is around here. There's still a lot of people riding pretty high from how that shook out. Did you have one more? I guess you could say we're probably the pheasant country capital of the world here too. Yeah, the pheasant capital.

So that actually starts in about a month here. Although it is the Chinese ringneck pheasant. It is. I didn't know that for a long time. Well, it just shows how humble you guys are because you didn't mention Masonomics. Oh, that's true. World famous

Masonomics. That's true. That's in my top three. It's like Black Hills, Masonomics, and Mount Rushmore. For a lot of people pretty deep into the lifting community, if you say South Dakota and they're aware of Massanomics, Massanomics is going to be

on their list. That's probably what they would say. Say what you know about South Dakota. The Massanomics guys were there. I think it would be safe to say that no one in the lifting community would know anything about South Dakota if it wasn't for Massanomics. You guys are doing important work.

That's for sure. We have this little game we play with every guest. It's called Overrated Underrated. We do have a special handpick set of Jacob Ross topics for Overrated Underrated. Love it. Are you familiar with the rules

of the game at all? Let's go over them just to make sure I don't break any rules. I don't want to be a rule breaker. We'll fire each one off of you. It's not necessarily a rapid-fire game, but we will fire them to you. You have your druthers to elaborate as much or as little in response to each one as you'd like. The main thing you have to remember is you can't ride the line. You have to ultimately decide if either one is overrated or underrated no love it no line writing love it i'm not a line writer it's why i don't eat tomatoes and is it a fruit is it a

vegetable i don't know so i don't eat them just avoid the dilemma it's good i don't want that indecisiveness in my life i mean like a court according to something, apparently sure it's a fruit, but like we know that that's still a vegetable, like fruit tastes good. And that's a tomato. That's a vegetable.

Okay. Look, I've never been to a super eight with a complimentary breakfast that has tomatoes out. So it's not a fruit. Exactly.

That's right. Nobody's, nobody's eating that as a fruit. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay.

Overrated or underrated World Cup basketball. It is underrated because outside of the U.S., it is the biggest thing in basketball. People care way more about that than they do the NBA finals. Way more about that. Because it's the only way that their countries touch basketball in any sort of elite level way. And all the best NBA players come back and play for their teams. Luka Doncic was just playing.

Jokic was just playing. Giannis was just playing. It's only in the U.S. that we really just don't care because we have the NBA finals. But everywhere else in the world, it's an extremely the u.s uh that we really just don't care because we have the nba finals but everywhere else in the world it's an extremely extremely big deal so i would say that the world cup is underrated for basketball yeah do you know right now do they have like any are there rules pretty much in alignment with nba or is there any major differences right now no there's some major differences so um like a quick download so like one of my jobs that I do now is is I am the strength coach for the South Sudan international basketball team that Luol basically started and funded because South Sudan is such a young country. They don't really have the infrastructure to support that. So Luol's like, I'm going to do it. And we went from last place in the world to one of the top two teams in Africa right now, where one went away from making the World Cup. And the national team flew back after this last window to South Sudan. And there was literally thousands of people waiting at the airport to greet them. That's

how big of a deal it is. So in terms of the rules, FIBA has a few different rules. One thing is they have an unsportsmanlike foul. That basically means if you foul somebody and it's not a basketball play, it's an automatic tech. So possession foul. That basically means if you foul somebody and it's not a basketball play, it's an automatic tech. So possession plus two shots. And if you get another one, you get kicked out of the game. So, you know, like those take fouls, like, you know, they just grab somebody.

You cannot do that at all, ever. It has to be a basketball play. So if you're going to take a foul, you have to actually try to steal the basketball. You can't just grab somebody's jersey. You can't do that. Hack a shack. No.

Where they just like off the tip of the ball, be like, gotcha shack. Nope. Nope. Can't do it. And then the other thing that's interesting in FIBA is as soon as a ball touches the rim, it's live. So there is no like in the cylinder, you can't disturb it kind of stuff. So like on a free throw, if it hits the front of the rim and you're tall enough you can swipe that sucker right out of there as long as it hit the rim hit the rim before you touched it that's interesting huh those are probably the two biggest ones that we have to

kind of coach guys on is the paint a funny shape still or is it a regular rectangle i mean i've seen that um okay in africa it's in africa It's normal. Like it seems to be like a European thing. But I think they're trying to standardize it because they're understanding slowly but surely that like the more standardized basketball is towards the NBA, the more NBA guys are willing to play. And the more it the fans in the US, especially, which is obviously the largest TV market, they really understand the game and they're more willing to watch it so they're trying to get the rules closer and closer and closer but um so i haven't seen that in a while but yeah that is a weird key they do sometimes yeah super strange is there do they put together a u is there a u.s team in like normal world cup play or do they not like even feel the team or what do they do no no they're they play um because you have to you have to qualify um and the u.s always shows

up um if you remember uh i remember like i used to get slam magazine right because there wasn't i i didn't have internet in my house until i was like 18 so i used to get slam magazine i remember stefan marbury was on the cover of slam yes yes and like i remember seeing this big picture in the magazine of Vince Carter jumping over this seven-foot Lithuanian guy dunking on him. It was arguably the sickest dunk of all time, actually. Yes.

If I'm not wrong, that was World Cup. It wasn't the Olympics. I think it was World Cup. Look that up. Anyone that likes really awesome things, look at that dunk of Vince Carter. He is one of the wildest dunks that there is. I mean, he literally clears a seven-footer. I mean, it is incredible.

He bagged him on the way up. Yeah, like no show dunk, just in a game, just straight up normal. I mean, it's crazy. But yeah, so I mean, the U.S. will field a team at the World Cup. They have a team that plays, but it's like basically like college level guys. OK. And maybe a couple of like lower level pro guys. And then like for the World Cup or like the Olympics, like that's when the big guns show up.

So like, you know, Damian Lillard will roll in or LeBron will roll in. Like that's just the way the U.S. does it because they don't those guys don't have to play because the U.S S is traditionally so good that they just kind of automatically qualify without putting their best players out. Um, that, that's changing by the way. Um, but the thing about North America is their, their pool is pretty easy. They play Canada who actually has a pretty good team. They play Mexico, they play Puerto Rico, um, and some of the like central American countries. So it's not super hard for them to get out of that pool. In Africa, there's 54 countries roughly, and only five teams go out of 54. So it's very difficult for us to qualify.

For the U.S., it's a little bit easier of a route because it's just such a basketball culture and the teams that they have to play to get there. That makes sense. So World Cup basketball is good and underrated. It is. basketball culture and the teams that they have to play to get there. That makes sense. Yeah. So world cup basketball is good and underrated. It is. I mean,

I don't know if, uh, I'm sure you guys saw some of the highlights just from the European championships, which is world cup qualifying basketball, by the way. Um, I mean, there's some really good basketball and at the actual world cup,

I mean, it's the 32 best teams. And so if you say like, okay, in the NBA, you can sign players, right. You can't do that in the world cup., it's the 32 best teams. And so if you say like, okay, in the NBA, you can sign players, right? You can't do that in the World Cup. So it's kind of, in my opinion, a really fun way to watch this. If you like

college basketball style where you're not quite sure who's going to win, that's the way the World Cup is because you're going to have Luka, who's obviously the best player on his team, going up against Giannis. It's like, who's going to win? I don't know. There's no secondary probably against yannis and like all of his brothers right exactly but like some teams it is you look at them you're

like i actually know several people on this team and like this is you know it is kind of wild um how much of a presence europe does are just not even europe but all other countries do have in the nba yeah mean, we just played a part of our World Cup qualifier. We played Congo and Jonathan Kaminga, who plays on the Warriors, played for Congo. Gorgie Jang, who's played 10 years in the NBA, he's on the Spurs right now.

He played for Senegal. I mean, even in our small pool, there was a couple of NBA guys. So it's becoming more and more normal, I think, for guys to go play for their teams which just brings makes basketball better yeah for sure okay overrated or underrated horned frogs oh my gosh underrated are you kidding me first of all it's the only mascot in the world that's a horned frog the only one there's no there's a million bears there's a million lions and there's

a million pirates and captains and you know whatever oh my like there's only one horned frog and a lot of people don't know their self-defense mechanism because they're about the size of like the palm of your hand roughly is when they feel like they're about to get attacked they start pulling blood in the tear duct of their eye and start pressurizing it into the point that it gets so much pressure that it shoots blood out of the corner of their eye up to 10 feet away and scares off predators it is super gnarly like look that up on national geographic it is crazy and another interesting fact about the horned frogs tcu uh adopted that mascot because originally they were actually uh the college started in waco

not far from Baylor. And when they went to break ground, they actually hit a den of horned frogs and it came out of the ground. So like, oh, okay, that's our mascot. And then bam, stuck ever since. That's cool. Yeah.

So underrated for sure. Look up that, if you just type in horned frog blood, it pops up right away. It's like a National Geographic video. He's like fighting off a coyote. It's pretty crazy. So like if you go home will you encounter a horned frog uh so pittsburgh is northeast corner so we're like an hour i said we're always something we're

an hour from everywhere we're an hour from louisiana arkansas and oklahoma because i can get to any of those borders in like an hour drive so we're piney woods region so i won't see them where i grew up but like dallas fort worth which is like two and a half, three hours from me, going 80 miles an hour like South Dakota, like everything's 80 to 90 miles an hour, that's the border of like the desert, right? So you're going from like grasslands to desert. So like that area, and as you keep going west, like absolutely you will see them. And technically they're lizards, but horned lizard doesn't sound cool,

so horned frog it is it is yeah that makes sense yeah okay overrated or underrated jump training like are we talking about like the jump shoes like from the 90s just uh more generally speaking i guess because you know because i have a pair of those in my gym right now like that i had when i was 14 years old i still have them strength souls i wanted those really bad they were always like black and red right and in that like yeah it's like a huge disc it looks like on the on the toe kind of yes i i will take a a picture. I will actually do some exercises in them. You should post a deadlift wearing those. Could you perform a deadlift wearing those?

It would be really difficult. It would be really difficult, at least if you stay off your heels because you're elevated like three or four inches in the air. They're pretty crazy. Is there merit to those things or are they just like a gimmick? I would say that the thing about jump training, that's so

interesting to me, and I've thought about this a lot, and I still don't think I have all the answers is I had a couple of good kids in high school, um, who ended up playing at like Notre Dame and Ohio state respectively. And both of those kids on like the Vertec, um, they had like 42 to 44 inch verticals in high school. So if, if vertical jump is a measurement of power, um, those kids were like crazy powerful, but they were only like 170 pounds and they weren't super strong. Right. And then you take

a guy like, you know, Dan Bell, who does a jump after, you know, every heavy deadlift and, you know, I love Dan to death, but he's getting like 12 inch vertical or something right right so so you know so like if i could squat a thousand pounds for three or exactly yeah so he mean he's he is literally the definition of power and power lifting so if i take dan i start training him for a jump program i'm not getting him to a 44 40 inch five inch vert and vice versa if i take those guys and train them to do a thousand pound squat, it's not, it's just not happening. It's not the cards for them. So I'm not sure to this day, how much like quote unquote jump training helps. I think it's like anything. I think you can modify. I think you can push a needle over a little bit. I don't know that you can completely change it. Um, I've done a lot of my jump training in contrast methods. So we super

set like a box squat or a deadlift or whatever the case may be with a jump. I like that idea of like potentiation. So you're getting this kind of heavier, you know, dual leg movement going right into a jump. So your body kind of overfires on the jump and it thinks it's about the deadlift or squat again. I've seen that work really well. I used to do a lot of NFL combine training. And so I, you know, we have to get those guys basically turn them into track stars in like six weeks. Um, and I've seen that work really well, but I've never taken someone who's been like a terrible jumper and made them an incredible jumper.

It's like, maybe you had six inches, eight inches, couple of times, 10, couple of times, but it's pretty rare. It seems to be somewhat of like a genetically predisposition thing. And I'm not sure how much, you know, that's really modified. Now, maybe if everybody had shrink-soled shoes, they'd all be jumping out of the gym. I don't know. But I think also, too, a lot of it is like the principle of specificity, right? Like if you don't jump a lot in your day-to-day life, you're probably not going to get better at jumping.

It's almost like you have to play a sport or be involved in something where you're jumping outside of your training to really get good at it. It's just like sprinting. Like if you only would just sprint in the gym a couple of times a week, you're not going to be a world-class sprinter. So yeah, it's actually a really interesting question. Interesting question. So I have to, I cannot walk the line. I have to say overrated or underrated on jump training.

I'm going to say that as it's done mostly, I'm going to say it's overrated. Okay, I think that's fair. You used your druthers well to come up with that. Last one is worth all the marbles. This is an important one, possibly probably the most controversial

that we've had. Overrated or underrated? The Let's Get Stupid podcast. It is for sure 100% underrated. Come on. Where else are you going to learn to be an alpha? Where else are you going to hear about not hug not you know buying the proper lawnmower for his humongous farm you know where else you get hit about tom callous's deville uh exploit

i mean if that's not premium grade a content in 2022 i don't know what is i'm surprised that hbo hasn't called them up and said we're developing a whole series out of this because that is compelling information you need to know. Hey, to be fair, I actually really enjoy the Let's Get Stupid. We like to make jokes about it and they like to poke fun at us, which we like. It's always funny.

But I really like the Let's Get Stupid podcast. It's a little bit probably what people experience when they listen to us each week. I just like to catch you just hanging out like what do they got going on the funny thing for me is like i think a lot of what they talk about is foreign topics for a bunch of people but it's not that like different from what you could go to a bar in town here and hear people saying the exact same things yes well you know like for me when i'm traveling uh like where i'm in africa right i actually listen to let's get like i can't wait for it to come out because i it makes me feel

connected to like being back home right like what's just what's going on in the world um so like i i actually what i enjoy about it uh is the fact that it's it's just like you said it's a normal conversation i think um we all get tired of having these platforms where people are basically trying to persuade you to a certain direction whether that's to believe something or to buy something or to do something it's always there's always an outcome oriented like thing for whatever it is and on that podcast there is no outcome it's just like you know i guess we're not enjoy it for the day. You know, Dan Bell laughs and that tells him it's been an hour and three minutes or whatever it is. And that's kind of the end of it. And so, you know, every time they ask me to come on, like I enjoy it.

And I just, you know, I'd be to be all all fair and lovey dovey. Like, I do love those guys. You know, Tom has become one of my best friends and they're just good, normal people like you guys. best friends and um they're just good normal people like you guys i mean i i am going to become an avid masonomic listener because um something that that i'm i don't know that if it's like a soapbox that i get on but like i really like to meet people before i get like super connected involved with them i don't know why that is i've just always been that way and so uh now that i've like really had a nice long conversation with you guys, I'm going to be a Bathnomic supporter. I'm ready.

Ready to join. That's how we get more listeners. Just one week at a time, we get one person at a time. 52 people a year. If we can just keep doing that for like 30 more years, we're really going to have something. So yeah, next time when you are on there make sure to throw some things out about how we

said we invented the silly pint cup first and oh I will what else what else have they stolen so much stuff from us I can't really like the Dakota cut shirt yeah yeah we came out with the Dakota cut shirt so they came up with the

Karen cut shirt the Dakota cut shirt, so they came up with the Karen cut shirt. The Karen cut. That's right. That's right. Yeah, the Dakota cut is just cutting off one sleeve, correct? Is that what we said that is? I think so. You just cut one sleeve off.

We're still not sure what we invented. Maybe it's also a midriff. Yeah, it's one of those two. Well, I think, I mean, I don't know about as much about South Dakota, you know, leisure wear, but like in Texas, like you see a lot of those guys who the neck of their shirt is randomly cut. Not in a nice way. It's just randomly torn or cut.

Like, oh, yeah, okay. That's almost like an 80s, 90s bodybuilder move, too. Almost kind of that same thing. I feel like that's more of a sweatshirt thing around here. People take their hoodies and like to cut a V into them. Yeah, that's true. Well, you got to show off those chess games, you know? That's right.

That's right. That's exactly right. You got to show them off for sure. So where would people check out Smart Strength Official and anything else that you would want them to check out? Yeah. So, you know, we didn't get into it too much. No. There's a lot of things that I'm involved in.

The biggest thing I'm involved in is actually at this point in my life is nonprofit work. So I work with Lewals Foundation and I work for, it's partnered with a nonprofit called Matter that I work for that's based out of Minnesota. And basically my job is, yeah, no, it's right there. And, um, basically my job is, yeah, no, it's right, right there. Um, you know, basically my job is to, um, help partner, uh, with, uh, pro athletes with philanthropic projects. So there's a lot of pro athletes who want to do good in the world. They don't necessarily have a team of, of experts around them. And so our job is like, Hey, if you want to get something done and we have expertise in

it, then we try to partner up and figure it out and help. And so the Walls Foundation is a big part of that. And, you know, I always tell people this. Like, why don't why don't you like go be a stream coach for an NBA team or something like that? It's like, well, those are terrible jobs. You know, anybody who does that and loves it. Like, I don't know that person. I don't.

I know a lot of people who've done it and they've been burned or they've been fired. They've been burnt out or some combination of that. And it's a very, very difficult job. I'd say like strength and conditioning jobs for teams are only good if you're like at Alabama or Oregon or somewhere where you have like a legacy and you know you're not going anywhere. But usually, you know, you're like first on the chopping block. Like if they change regimes, you're gone.

And it has nothing to do with how good you are. It has nothing to do with your effort and your intensity. It just has everything to do with the politics of the situation. So and then, you know, I've never seen somebody like really enjoy the 60-year-old strength coach at your local gym. Like that just doesn't happen either. So, you know, so strength like in terms of training is like a long-term career. I think it's a difficult thing to do. It's just doesn't happen either. Um, so, you know, so strength, like in terms of training is like a long-term career. I think, I think it's a difficult thing to do just time-wise. I mean, to, to really do it, like when I used to run that gym in Chicago, when I used to train all

those, uh, incredible athletes, I'd never trade that time. I don't regret that time, but you know, I was up at, um, three 30, three 15 in the morning for about seven years. And I would work until eight or nine at night. And you can't sustain that as a human being. And you certainly can't sustain that as a family. So to really do it right, I think that's what it took back then. So I just had no desire to do that. But, you know, smart strength came along because Tom and I, like I said, we met, he saw that Barbara Gray shirt I had on at church. And, you know, we along because Tom and I, like I said, we met, he saw that Barbara grade shirt I had on a church and, um, you know, we started training together and he kind of got beat up and, um, you know, I'm not a physical therapist, but I've had to put a lot of athletes back together. Cause there's this really big gray area between like, Oh, you're cleared from physical therapy, but are

you cleared to play on an NFL football field? You know what I mean? Like those are different things. And there's no, there's no degree or certification for that. It's just experience and trying to work with your athlete to figure it out. And I've done that a lot. So Tom and I, and then COVID hit, and a lot of people would ask Tom for training. That's me for training. And it's like, eh, but what if we do it together? And what if we do it online? So that's where SmartStream came from is can we bring access to like some incredible coaches, you know, basically through an app and deliver that um so that's a way that i stay really connected with training and obviously like my own training

i try to still pick i just did a strongman this summer i don't know if you guys saw it but we all were uh jean shorts and we drove a 65 fleet fleetwood cadillac limo down there um we all won our weight divisions um which was awesome. We got hatchets. Super cool. Ah. Weaponry has trophies. That's trophies. A sword award. You know, and I think I might do a powerlifting meet into December. And, you know, I still train very hard for me.

It's just to do it as a job, it's difficult. And I'm not ruling out training some here and there. But anyway, that's kind of like a long version of like why, if you look at my social media, it seems like I'm all over the place because I'm in Africa three or four months of the year, basically. And then when I'm home, I work from home, but I have to travel some and I'm kind of all over the place. So to say all that, to say jacob.w.ross at Instagram, that's the easiest.

That's really the only place that I actually consistently post anything. And then Smart Strength Official, it's just at Smart Strength Official if you want to learn more about our training and what we do there. But yeah, that's pretty much it. I'm a simple guy, and I try to post stuff. I feel old. How old are you guys? I'm just curious if you don't mind answering. Tommy You know, I feel old. How old are you guys? I'm just curious. If you don't mind answering.

Tommy's 33 and I'm 35. Where are you at? No, I'm 36. So we're the same era. So like, you know, with Tom, I think Tom's 29, maybe 28. Other Tom is a little older than us, right? He's like 40. Yeah, he just turned 40. um and so sometimes like when i'm

talking to tom callis um i got feel old because it's like instagram when it hit was like 2010 2011 and like like so for me like that's my generation of like social media as a professional person like you're like actually posting things and at one point I went through an archive, I think like 3000 videos that I'd posted because I just, people kept asking me for stuff and I'm like, it's on there. Like, I can't find it. I'm like, oh my gosh. And so like at this point in terms of like posting social media, I really struggle with like, what's helpful to post, you know, what's actually doing some good in the world to post, you know? And then I see people post stuff all the time and it's like, oh man posted that like nine years ago but like nobody owns uh exercises right uh so it's i'm not like jealous or anything it's just like oh i remember those days you don't need like i just feel old so

yeah i don't know if i'm a good follow but hopefully it's not a waste of time you know i try to post helpful stuff on there from time to time and funny stuff from time to time. Oh, I'll end with this. There's this really funny video of me and Luol's brother. If you go up to you back, he's seven foot. Yeah. We love this. We're just watching it beforehand. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean people, it's, it's, it's almost reached a million accounts. It's by far the most popular thing I've ever posted. Not even close in terms of comparison and people can not understand it.

And if you look in the comments it's hilarious like the comments going back and forth and it's just it's just anyway it's interesting interesting video so uh i would close on next time you go to church wear a masonomic shirt and you'll be shocked at the kind of people you'll meet then yes yes yes no no you guys are going to see an order come through real soon. Real soon. Trust me, trust me. Well, we appreciate you getting on here.

This was a lot of fun. No, I mean, honestly, thanks for having me. I really, really have a lot of respect for you guys. You have this ability to get a lot of people that I would say that I'm good friends with and I care a lot about who I think are great people. You know, you had this ability to, to, to kind of connect with them and rope them all together. And that just speaks a lot about you guys. And so I didn't even hesitate when you guys reached out. I'm like, yes, this is amazing. And correct me if I'm wrong. I'll end on a joke. I don't think a cowboy cam's ever been on here,

right? He hasn't yet. So you can all hold that up. Tom, Tom, and you all have been, and he has not. No Cowboy Cam. So you can lord that one over him. Perfect. How many times has Dan Bell been on y'all's podcast? Three, maybe. He was our first ever in

person. Well, no, he wasn't our first ever in person. One of our first ever in person. The first time we had him on was like five or six years ago. Yeah. I mean, we've had him call in a few times too. He's for sure been on at least three in some capacity. Maybe four or five even. Okay, so my goal

on the Let's Get Stupid podcast is just to be on more than Dan Bell, and I think I'm winning that right now. So over the next few years, I'm going to have to come back. Just to beat Dan on every one of them. Just give me 10 seconds. Just so I can count it and I can beat Dan. That's a noble pursuit.

Perfect. Alright, thanks Jacob. This is good. Thanks Jacob. Yeah, I appreciate you guys and we'll be talking soon. Sounds good. See ya. See ya. Alright, bye. Oh, I think he's gonna appreciate those cool beans you gave him the double cool beans double serving piping cold twice the beans twice

the beans twice as cold one bean times two follow me on this math here. Mr. Bean. Yeah, that was good. That was. That was a lot of fun. He definitely has a lot of different perspectives on the strength training world. He does. He's done some different things than what a lot of people we talk to do. It's always cool to hear from someone

that has seen strength and training from some different angles. Especially since he's also participated in powerlifting and strongman himself. He really gets our world. But also how it relates to the world of someone that doesn't really care about how much they squat. They just want to be able to play in the NBA for five more years.

To just be the best. Yeah. Or as good as possible. Well, that's good stuff. Yeah. You know what else is good stuff buying t-shirts from massonomics.com and shorts and uh tommy's wearing the race hell lift heavy t classic i'm wearing the massonomics gym t both of these are available tommy's wearing

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Ski-do. When I used to listen to the radio a lot, like 20 years ago, that brought me back instantly, which is amazing because I could have never told you that. But you saying it, I actually thought of this the other day. Do you ever remember? We would laugh about these so much. There'd be ads on the radio for country hearth bread.

Country hearth bread. The toast of the Dakotas. Yes, I remember. country hearth bread country hearth bread the toast of the dakotas yes i remember country hearth well i was like the guy the toast of the dakotas there was these long pauses i always remember there was one it sounded like the guy kind of had an irish accent because he was talking about like the the fresh cracked grain like the bread or something like what the hell where's this voice coming from but country hearth uh the toast of the dakotas is that made here somewhere no yeah that's the that was always i don't remember that being the slogan why was there so much brand advertising on the radio like a certain kind of bread i'm like i just buy what's

in the store i don't you guys do what do you guys get for bread? Do you know? Dude, we get that freaking Country Hearth 12 grain. It's so damn good. Yeah. It's so good. We get stuff. What's the wrapping look like? Is it greenish on it? No, it's like maroonish kind of.

Okay. And it's not like a regular loaf of bread is like long. This is slightly shorter. Yeah, we get the shorter. We have like the same thing. I don't know if that's the brand we get or not or whatever, but it's like that too. And it is way better.

It's like a way denser piece of bread. Yes, that's my biggest thing with it is because when you get- It feels like you're eating something. Yes, because you go back to regular bread and you're like, this is just air holding things together. That's what we get also. Oh, the other day, Leah goes,

dude, when was the last time you think you bought white bread? I do. I couldn't even tell you. Straight up white bread? It looks funny, actually, to me when you look at it. You're like, that's not food. That's barely food. I assumed you would have the same response,

but I didn't know if you're like, oh, no, we love it for peanut butter sandwiches or something. I do think the kids would probably prefer when I make a grilled cheese if we just had some good old regular white bread. But sometimes we do get just – sometimes we also get just regular wheat bread. Yeah. You know, it kind of basically looks just – Even that still feels almost like a –

Right. Like there's not enough there. No, it feels just like the white bread, but it looks a little better because it's at least not stark white. Like it doesn't glow in the dark. Why did somebody bleach this? What reasoning made this happen? Yeah.

I'm trying to think if there's any other radio ads. Oh, there used to be just so many of the Dollar Loan Center ads back in the day. Yeah, that's true. Oh, and they ran the parody game hard. Yeah, that's true. We used to enjoy those because they were so ridiculous all the time. Are, that's true. Oh, and they ran the parody game hard. Yeah, that's true. We used to enjoy those because they were so ridiculous all the time. Are those illegal in South Dakota now?

Well, when they made it so that they couldn't have like a 60% loan rate, then they decided, no, we're going to leave the states. Yeah, those things shouldn't exist. Those are not helping anyone. 60% is predatory? Yeah.

What happened to the free market around here? Okay. Don't be broke, Aberen dollar loan center they'd always lead in with like don't be broke aberdeen i'm like how are you helping me not be there was one yeah we're gonna walk down to the dollar loan center and then we'll get some money and there was like a we're not gonna take it but it was something something to i can't even remember there was so many of them though i always remember don't be broke aberdeen i'm like that's you don't be broke today but tomorrow you what you're saying is the opposite of true yeah it's good stuff and of course you know taco john's is always a perennial a perennial radio favorite.

Yeah, that's true. Radio and television, they kind of cornered the market on advertising. They have. They've really upped their TV game lately. Yeah. I like when you listen to the radio and like an ad that you thought was only like a strictly television ad that doesn't even seem like it's the right format for radio. It's kind of like someone just plugged in their phone.

They're like, find the YouTube ad and they plug it in they said i'm like that works for the right that doesn't really work on the like you're like playing the audio of a visual commercial there's like sound effects going on you're like i have to see what the sound effects i don't know what's going on here yeah radio is weird it's very you know like uh just broadcast radio is i think it's in a really weird spot right now i would say right now it's very weird because it's so yeah i don't i just don't even listen to it it's so many ads on it like you just you get hit with ads everywhere but if you we've talked about this probably 50 times on here you can get to a lot of places in this town in about five minutes yeah and it's not unusual to get in your car have the radio on get to your destination never hear and you didn't hear a thing besides ads yeah

that's why i can't do it i listen to it quite a bit i know you keep up on it yeah i listen to it quite a bit and i don't know why other than number one my vehicle is old enough that it's not convenient to play something that's like on my phone. Like my vehicle does not have Bluetooth or like or even the correct like. Yeah, that's what a lot of times for me, because it is just podcast now, you know, I just leave it my phone speaker playing all the time. I do that, too. I thought people would make fun. Like I was going to say, if I either listen to my radio, it actually works really good. I mean, just put it speaker down in the cup in the cup holder the cup holder is the is awesome acoustic it is it's the microphone it's the amplifier yeah and um when i listen to podcasts

in the vehicle that's that's how i do it yeah i have i mean i'll plug it in um if i'm gonna be there for more than a few minutes but yeah if i'm just like driving to the gym quick right and i'm basically anywhere in aberdeen yeah and i'm gonna let's just listen to a podcast a good chunk of the time i don't bother to actually plug my phone in so that's going right you know what's annoying like the when you call someone and like because their phone bluetooth to their car they're either getting in or out of their car and it's always like and like it comes up a lot yeah that does happen a number of times right it happens really frequently and how people like too frequently how are people so often just

getting in or out of their car i know um that happens with my dad all the time i don't know it's it's always and then it's like going between that and with his job he'll have to wear a bluetooth headset and it's like going between the vehicle audio yeah the bluetooth headset in the vehicle like leave it it's it's always a mess it seems like the bluetooth in the vehicle technology well isn't that good yet like is that mastered now or no i don't know it seems like there's a lot of problems i think it's more of a Bluetooth problem than anything. Yeah, it's just something about... You know what I mean, though?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Just like things knowing what has the priority here, what should be sharing what, and yeah. I think it's a bigger problem. A new protocol would have to be developed to handle that more intelligently, I believe. Right, right. That makes sense. Like, to the point more intelligently, I believe. Right, right. That makes sense.

Like to the point where we're not utilizing Bluetooth. Right, yeah. So like allegedly people always are, the rumors have been with newer versions of AirPods, whenever that may be, is that it might eventually leave Bluetooth behind and maybe go to something that's more of like a Wi-Fi variant in some way. Okay. Because it can be a little more intelligent there. The problem would be like energy usage is significantly higher there. wi-fi variant in some way just because it can be a little more intelligent there the the the

problem would be like energy usage is significantly higher there but just figuring out what that might be um there's different things right the more you know now you know now you know it all bluetooth kind of sucks sometimes though it does it's good it's it's some things it's nice for but it is a lot of things it's pretty good for a lot of things not so much so um i have an ad on the floor back there tanner oh that i gotta get to do it go go gadget arms i know do you do we have one other one or is that the last one i think we what we have left is texas power bars and swiss link oh god so i got both of them and they're both back there, and they're both back there? I hope they're both back there. Okay. I got to go get them.

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But now we will air it. It's safe. Do we have anything else we needed to hit on this week? It's probably everything. Buying our stuff. We still have a few Live Large tees in a few sizes and the Pursuit of Strength tee, which was in our most recent drop so check those out both bangers i would say yeah they're both bangers and mash i was just gonna say that

what is bangers is it like beans and toast or something like that oh british didn't we just figure this out not that long ago bang Bangers and mash? Is mash potatoes? Also known as sausage and mash. It's a British dish consisting of sausages served with mashed potatoes. Okay. There goes me just thinking everything British is beans. Might as well be. Sausage and mashed potatoes.

I mean, I'd eat that. Yeah, it wouldn't be like the first thing I'd pick up of a menu but i would eat it wouldn't be the last thing wouldn't be the first but well this is i guess i didn't have to make it yep sausage and potatoes okay yeah we can do that all right all right uh tommy where do they find you you can find me at tomahawk underscore d you can find me at tanner underscore baird but nobody cares about that just make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics see ya