Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 339: Bonica Brown

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

Bonica Brown joins us for this one to talk about Pokemon Go, PB&J sandwiches, and competing in the World Games. We also made her pick a favorite between raw and single ply powerlifting. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! Good morning Vietnam Have you ever seen that movie? We've done this before And I can't remember what did I say it was I was wrong on it

Well it's obviously Michael Scott from The Office It's Robin Williams Yeah I know it's Robin Williamsael scott from the office yeah um it's robin williams yeah i know it's robin williams was it deer hunter i think it's good morning vietnam okay yes i did the same thing i said what movie is it yeah yeah i think that's the you know like when you know what something's supposed to be and then you don't know it anyways and you're like an idiot yep yep totally been there all right welcome back everyone for episode 339 of the mass dynamics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy episode 339 tommy you know what that means take three times three it makes nine it's an equation the mark of the devil that's right actually it means last week episode 338

was our six and a half year podcast anniversary 6.5 years that one felt kind of special yeah we got done with it yeah yeah if they had an aura around it we didn't really know what it was glowing that's what it was it was uh all right 6.5 it's only half half a year to plan to what we're going to do for our seven-year anniversary. It's kind of amazing that I can never remember what month even the anniversary is in. I think it's like March-ish. Is it? I don't know.

So about Arnold-ish time? Yeah, I think so. Well, what is it? Does that make sense? End of August. End of September. No. October, November, December, January, February, March.

Yeah. End of March-ish. There you go. Okay. So that'll hit us at our seven and you know what happens then oh it's lucky number seven yeah lucky number seven more like was that uh was josh hartnett in that movie was that who that was i don't remember that part that he was one of those guys that i could be convinced that josh hartnett was in that movie

he was in a lot of movies, and then he kind of disappeared. 30 Days of Night, do you remember that one? The vampire one in Alaska? That was pretty cool. No, that also sounds like a movie to me. What was it like? What's his IMDB best top of the list? Wasn't he in a lot of chick flicks? Yeah, that's what I feel like.

You got me curious now. I've never even seen the movie swim fan but was he i haven't seen see that to me sounds exactly like a movie he would be in okay pearl harbor black hawk down lucky number 11 the faculty i remember that one i do remember that um 40 days and 40 nights is not the one where he has to go like not have sex for 40 days or something never saw that one not to be confused with 41st dates with adam sandler and drew barrymore yep not that one um wicker park halloween h2o the 20 year 20 year 1998 that's crazy uh have you seen black hawk down i haven't actually no no. Black Hawk Down is really good. It's a really good movie.

I believe it. I'm kind of just hearing that. I haven't thought about it for a while, but I think it's a little underrated. I would like to watch Black Hawk Down again. Yeah, the answer actually should probably be whenever you ask me if I've seen a movie, I'm just starting to think that I haven't seen any movies actually in my life.

I'm bad at that. I haven't seen very many Josh Hartnett movies. I've seen about as many Josh Hartnett movies as you have Tom Cruise movies or episodes of The Wire yeah if anyone wants a The Wire update I've still watched no episodes but I have started to watch

the new Game of Thrones that's the one thing I'm kind of watching right now are you multiple episodes in? yeah okay before we because yeah get distracted on that yeah um that's a teaser talking more about movies and tv shows but we have to stop that teaser because we got a special announcement what yeah like is this hot off the press kind of special announcement very hot off the press and this tantal? This is very hot off the press. Ooh. And this is important, and it's from our friends at Swiss Link.

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Someone get that British chemical soup for Halloween. And say you're in Chernobyl or something. Yeah. Yeah. It'll work. Very good. Okay. Want to hear from something else here?

I do. Let's hear. I thought you'd never ask. Do you want to hear something with your ears? Mm-hmm. That's the best kind of hearing in my experience. Let's see if I can get this to work right

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member so check out that review and go buy yourself some strength co plates someone did ask us uh in the discord what are we planning on being for halloween last year we were uh had a little wayne's wayne's world going on here right here and have we done anything else in prior years we haven't that's not to say we couldn't this year it's kind of tradition now it is you do it once it is tradition we've dressed up like in suits and stuff before. Actually, it's funny. So you made the post about two white lights. Yeah.

And then the next swipe was us in our suits. And I had to be like, is that real? I don't even know for sure. And I had to think for a minute. Yeah, we did do that one time. We actually had those on. Was that for like our six-year anniversary or five-year anniversary or something like that? Well, was it for that

or was it when we took photos for the billboard or was that a different night? That was separate from that. I know because I'm wearing a different color tie for that. Okay, so is that what it was then? I think we did, because in the picture you're pouring champagne. Okay, yeah, it was a special occasion.

But would that have been the five-year? Yeah, it would have been because if it was six-year, that would have just been six months ago and we'd be remembering it better that makes more sense because in my head i'm thinking i do not remember tanner having a red tie on that billboard that i didn't really stuck out as me yeah okay that's just funny that i can't even remember why we had suits on though i keep that red tie because it makes me feel really presidential when i wear that one now i kind of when i was younger i would have never thought of it but now

if i see someone in a red tie like that, I kind of think like, why do you have this? Like, this doesn't make sense. You're not a politician. Why is this on? Like, I expect a politician to be wearing that tie, not like a regular old person, you know?

So comment on this YouTube podcast video or pop in the Discord and let us know what, who should we be for Halloween this year for our Halloween podcast episode. Let us know um what who should we be for halloween this year for for our halloween podcast episode let us know and uh we'll see if we can make it happen last year's will be tough to beat i think it was pretty like it was fairly effortless yeah right right well we'll think of something yeah so i have i'm not going to give any spoiler alerts on the new um house of dragons yeah so how many

episodes are you in though? Um, I think I'm, uh, I think there's like five out or six out and I've watched like four or five of them. Okay. So you're, you're mostly caught up and I like it, but like game of Thrones is just really good. I don't, I just, I guess I'm a sucker for it. I don't even know.

I just think it's, uh, I just, I just really like game of Thrones. I think it's as good as it gets. It is. I really liked it too and i i marathoned the entire last thing um i think i watched all of them in about two and a half three months yeah so i had this super condensed version of what that show is and when you're going through it that fast you're just like what's next what's next yeah and it was just it's like so good and then it got done you're kind of like oh fast, you're just like, what's next? What's next? And it was just, it's like so good. And then it got done. You're kind of like, oh man, it's done. And then at that point I knew there was this, this uproar online about what things people

were angry about. And once I started looking into it, cause I didn't ever take the time, you know, when you're just banging things like the episodes out, you don't have time to like read into theories and figure out what people might be thinking might happen, all that. You just onto the next one. And then once you go back and look at what people were thinking and the ways it turned and what like all the loose ends i understood all of the resentment and the anger people had i was very entertained the whole time but i do get why people had all these ill feelings at the end of the show

i'm curious how this one will play out see and some people are really into it because they know stories like that are even like outside of like those the main books because like there's these additional writings and stuff and they know all the pieces of that and to be fair i don't give a shit about any of that i just like the shit television like entertain me yes like i need an hour of escape exactly so that's why i like it and um well we said we're gonna watch it we're just we hate waiting um to weeks a week to week yeah you'd rather like have the whole season come out and or or that's why i like it and um well we said we're gonna watch it we're just we hate waiting um to weeks a week to week yeah you'd rather like have the whole season come out and or or be only

like within one or two of it being done that right and have two weeks and it probably works out about right yeah so that's well we'll do that pretty soon here yeah uh so good stuff I did have a couple notes in things to bring up. The first one is I want to mention Aaron Judge. Do you know about him? Didn't he break his home run? I think he's at 60 or 61 now. Yeah, so I think it's right out there of breaking the AL record, American League record.

And we talk very little about baseball. We do. Of all the sports we do occasionally talk about baseball, maybe the least. And I don't like baseball very much. That's been documented. Yeah. I don't really like it that much.

For both personal reasons. The one thing about baseball that is pretty interesting to me is guys hitting dingers and like breaking home run records kind of the best part of the game right for sure the best part of the game like when uh sosa and mcguire were in the home run race like that was really cool and then when bonds was doing it again you know a few years later that was really cool and uh aaron judge though this goes back to our discussion about just some pro athletes being just free do you know what how big aaron judge is he like six five or something six seven damn 285 yeah a guy that big

if you are athletic the sweet the speed you gotta be able to get on a bat has to just be insane right i would think so i don't know that much about baseball, but that is a huge man. Just the size you have between the length of your leverages and the weight you can put behind it. You've got to think the end of that bat is going crazy. Yes, yes. I mean, the stats seem to prove it too. Right, it does. I think actually as we speak, he's in a little slump

maybe because the pressure's on here. So he's been struggling to... The temperature's getting turned up. Yeah, but anyways, I just thought, seeing his height and weight just really makes you think like, oh yeah, like some people out there, they are just complete freaks.

Yeah. And he's probably one of them. That is very impressive. Yeah. Did we talk about with Jacob Ross, the Jalen Hurts squat? Did that come up on that or not? I think we did talk about that. Or did we talk about with jacob ross the jalen hurts squat is that did that come up on that or not i think we did talk about that or did we talk about that with somebody else that's what i

remember was that in the gym or was that with him god it really sucks that you can't can't remember where these came up i can't remember i think maybe it did then yeah i do think we talked about because he's just wearing like a pair of you know whatever shoes he was wearing when he was doing it too okay then we don't need to spend a bunch of time covering that again okay another note i had i just listed the rock as the title do you know what this is well for so i think i do now but i spent like two days like what has the rock done that tanner is caught up on and then i thought maybe he watched the rock the movie with sean connery is that what that one was no that's not it and then and then i thought maybe he watched the rock the movie with sean connery is that what that one was no that's not it and then and then because it was oh yeah no yeah that's yeah not that movie

because it was still in my mind i was riding my bike home from the gym yesterday and right when i got in my garage for some reason i'm thinking of the rock again and i thought of is it that damn rock that the vehicles are hitting it's that rock and uh in between uh out front of Qdoba just across the road from Menards here in uh western I did not know this was a thing yeah it's quite the thing isn't it it's quite the thing I didn't it's amazing I didn't know this kind of shocking right yeah I was trying I think I was trying to explain this to my wife and she didn't believe me she didn't understand what I was getting at here last week there was two or three vehicles in the week there was multiple vehicles that got hung up within one i thought those pictures were

over the course of like a decade no no like i think all those pictures are over the course of like a year or two that's amazing yes okay so we should explain what's going on here is yeah so there's um the entrance to our kidoba parking lot there is a piece of the landscaping that like juts out a little bit farther in that uh yeah it's just kind of like when they do those islands yeah parking lot yeah there's it's more it's a peninsula yeah yeah there you go it's a peninsula yeah and there's a lot of times there's a tree and some rocks and and um they put this rock that's like i don't know looks to be maybe about four foot long you know a couple feet wide or something like that fairly flat and then is it maybe a couple feet and a half two feet tall yeah

maybe like 18 20 inches tall something like that and it keeps getting ramped up on like not just ran over but people keep running up on it and getting high centered like to the point there's that wheels aren't touching the ground yeah so there's a facebook group for it now and everything is actually yeah and that's how i found got all the pictures compiled in one place because this facebook group uh uh that somebody pointed out to me and i'm like this is crazy i have to take all these and make a little uh because it is actually crazy like multiple vehicles a week will run up onto this thing and get high centered and they have to have a tow truck.

Like the cops, some of the pictures, there's a fire truck in the background. There's a cop in the background. Some of them, there's just the wrecker in the background like to get, and like a lot of them, people will say they'll hang around and watch and like they'll pull them off and the people just drive away.

You know, it didn't really hurt anything. But it's just funny they're stuck on there and can't get off. And they have to have a tow truck come and pull them off. Okay, I just, I got to watch this video again. Like this. And if you want to see what we're talking about, we posted an Instagram reel. Yeah, three days ago so september 25th ish there's one um it is pretty amazing like all these people have are taking the corner super

aggressively actually there's not even rocks in this one it's it's grass so you'd have to drive over a grass curb or a curb and grass to hit this yes it is some of these they're ramped up there so far though um quick shout out uh to big alex supporting member this is a quick early supporting our supporting member segment he just bought a drink spotter as we speak so and i saw him on there earlier so shout out to big alex supporting our supporting members yeah this rock is amazing though yes now now that i know it exists it's something to watch out for menards and kidoba that'll do that to a person i guess that's like you think people are all too they're thinking about all the big money they're gonna save at menards right then they're gonna just lose it on tow trucks. Yeah. It's crazy, though.

I just don't know what's going on. It's almost a sick trick that they're putting that, because the rock serves as a bit of a ramp, the way it's positioned in the face. It gets you up there, and then you take it off the edge, and at that point, you're gone. That has to feel like quite the ride. If you're going fast enough to not be able to realize

you're going up that rock and stop in time and for it to go like yeah and to like you got to think you hit something bad when that goes right you definitely smell what the rock is cooking there um so yeah that's the rock segment a little bit different than what someone might've thought if we were talking about the rocks. Just a little, not that much, but a little, there was a big power lifting meet this last weekend.

And I guess it was actually, let's get something to drink. Oh, don't, you don't have to tell me twice. It's the same flavor as last week. So hello. I,

why ruin a good thing? I give it a four. Should we just, this will just be our segment every week we'll just see how long we can have the same yeah i can i could i could think of worse segments what a watermelon lime aha yep it's still good yeah it's good it's real good it's real good um no there was a big big power lifting meet it was uh pro raw last year we went to it in kansas city it was called what the showdown yeah and that changed we don't really know the politics behind all that but it did change to whatever it's called

now we weren't able to make it this year as part of it being changed we will not be invited back so they specifically we made way too much of a ruckus last year they said you guys are off the list do not even come within 100 yards of this place like uh you guys are also banned from chicken and a pickle and hawaiian bros wasn't chicken and pickle the place is that what it was called yeah it was it was. That was it. Yeah, and Hawaiian Bros. Yeah, they said just don't. Actually, now that we think of it, don't come anywhere near anywhere in Kansas City. So he said, okay, I guess we'll stay home. Yeah, so he didn't go this year.

But a lot of big lifting going on. A lot of the big names were there again, it looked like. And, of course, John Hack, I think, broke more world records, and he benched 600 pounds it's stupid uh joe sullivan broke his squat record in that weight class 220 whatever that is jamal browner pulled over a thousand and broke the 242 total record or i think that's right yeah he. He broke the total record. And deadlift record.

And deadlift record, of course. Right? Yeah, because of Dan's 275, I think. That's what I thought. Yeah. Anyone else? Any other big lifts? It's not on open powerlifting yet, so we didn't get to run down the total list. And did they do, was there a women's day?

Like, did they do a two-day thing again? Men first day, women the second day? I didn't see anything. I do you know did they do was there a women's day on like did they do a two-day thing again men first day women the second day i didn't see i don't know if they did that or not i didn't see anything of a woman maybe i don't follow the right accounts but last year and we were there but i also saw lots of videos of women lifting i didn't see any of that this year yeah and the women's lifting day was a big day though too because um tomorrow yeah she broke the dead like that was like one of the coolest moments of both days is when she was up there dead lifting

but it probably was not as fun without us can you imagine I gotta think that everyone had a much less good time like this means pretty good but you know what it's missing the mass guys those two guys with that booth.

What were their names? I'm not sure. And I can't remember what the booth was called either. But, but those guys, it was those guys. They really made this. Those ones. Yep. That was us.

Speaking of actually, I know what i want to do first review time podcast review time something we brought back here last where we read a few podcast reviews each week so this year this week it's from apple podcast again of course but these are some canadian reviews i don't get to have access to these, but somebody sent them to me. Our neighbors to the south sent them up to us. Yeah, our neighbors to the south sent them up our way. First one, the best podcast, Vaughn Western, Northeast South Dakota. And this is from Fake Natty. Oh, this is in a foreign language.

That one, I'm not going to. Okay. So that one, you just use your imagination. I thought that counts there. Next one is from two 42 pound dream. Daycare does not approve. My two year old daughter and I listened to the podcast every morning on our drive to daycare.

I've started to get complaints from her teachers that she keeps referring to everyone as big attempting to lift all the furniture and organizing a strong man showdown with the other toddlers going somewhere. Yeah. That really is mean something when she's organizing a strong man showdown. She must listenlers going somewhere yeah that really means something when she's organizing a strongman showdown she must listen to the classics too yeah the deep cuts yeah this one's from d swole it says frostback funny and educational podcast put up by two normal dudes that enjoy lifting which is tight and something you can relate to the let's get stupid podcast is my number one but these guys are a close number

six oh okay jk jk jk they're top two for sure alpha i don't know about us being number two to those guys over in uh aren't they from iowa it's i it's something that's maybe it's indiana let's start always saying they're from the wrong state. Like they say us, we're from North Dakota. Iowa, Indiana, Idaho. One of those with an I. Those city slickers. This one's from pizzalover585858.

I'm now an expert on cooled beans, piping hot LaCroixs, and expensive lift shorts. Easily a top 10 podcast to come out of western northeast South Dakota. Obviously, soccer made simple is number one. Well, there, you got to admit when you're beat. Yes. Yeah, we were beat there. This one's from Zach Wave.

Came to hear John Hack, but stayed for the two guys talking about LaCroix for 30 minutes beforehand and been back every week since. Came to hear John Hack, but stayed for the two guys talking about LaCroix for 30 minutes beforehand. And been back every week since. Easily top five lifting podcasts to come out of Western North, East South Dakota. Maybe even top four, but I don't want to get too political. God, we're really getting ranked high by everyone. Rankings are out. Okay, and this is the last one.

I saved the best for last. Our best Canadian review. Some of you may have seen this one already. This one's from Greg. And he says, crap, avoid. One out of five stars. Self-indulgent 20 minutes wasted at the top of the show, waiting for the guest who is infinitely more interesting

that the two nobody hosts. Audio quality is poor. Best to avoid. There are many better podcasts that are worth nobody hosts. Audio quality is poor. Best to avoid, there are many better podcasts that are worth your time. This is just interest filler. Well, there's a lot of subjective things there, but I don't think you can say our audio quality is poor. Don't think that was kind of my joke.

I'm not going to say we have world-class audio quality, but there's a good chance if you listen to 10 podcasts, our quality is just as good as the top three. What does it mean, this is just interest filler? It's filling interest for people? Yeah. What are podcasts? Does he mean like, I don't know, it's just our self-interest?

Like self-serving? I don't know. It's just our self-interest, like self-serving. I don't know. Also, why wouldn't it be also? It's our podcast. Our podcast. Yeah, we're not reporters here. Right. We're not putting out a project for you to review what we did.

We're just talking about what we want to talk about. Yeah. I always like that, the people that are like, oh, I just wanted the guests. Why did these guys talk for 20 minutes beforehand? Well, it's like like it's not uh who the hell's talking to the right buddy it's like this isn't mike israel's podcast or john hack's podcast or uh jacob ross podcast this is if we never talked you'd be like yeah like i just don't i don't understand what the expectation here no one no one talks to John. He doesn't say anything.

His podcast sucked. But then we talk and it ruins the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, you can't win them all. I do appreciate that review, though. Those always provide really good content and get a lot of interesting feedback from people. So that is a throwback segment called Instagram slash YouTube slash Canadian Review of the week oh yeah yeah uh i forgot

about instagram comment of the week that's been a long time on that one yeah so that's a little throwback there we also have uh supporting our supporting members segment so this is a relatively new relatively newer segment to the podcast uh most people are probably starting to become a little bit more familiar with it but we have these supporting members that choose to monetarily support the podcast each month and uh to give back to them a little bit we have the supporting our supporting member segment uh so this week got a few people that did some stuff and we always like to recognize when some people do some cool stuff so big sarah competed in her second jujitsu competition and won a bronze

medal awesome yeah so that's cool beans big ben got third in his strongman competition that was his second ever strongman and he won the sandbag load medley in his class nice so well done big ben and then uh last certainly not least um big eddie's wife um let me get this right big big steph Right. Big Steph at the New Holland City Fair entered quilted items in nine categories. She won four first places, four second places, and one non-finisher. Wow.

That's an impressive podium percentage there. She totaled up the prize winnings. Zero entry fees. She spent over $1,500 in fabric, in fabric thread and other supplies and she won 37 all right so it might be worse returns than power looking even yes yes maybe even worse than power did you really like the money yeah yeah that's what that was a great way of looking at it yeah spent over 1500 uh uh but won 37 dollars that's amazing i to be i mean to be honest if you said she won like thousands of dollars i was gonna be totally shocked yeah yeah yeah the 37 is that's good yes and speaking of scarves head over to spud-ink-straps.com

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Bonica Brown that we've got on with us. And Bonica, how's it going? This is Tanner. And this is Tommy. Hi, Tanner and Tommy. I'm doing alright. Can you hear me okay? Oh yeah, it's awesome. Okay's awesome yeah good excellent i don't think we've talked to you really probably since uh power lifting meet like in sioux falls probably four years yeah i mean other than like stuff on the internet but like in person or over the phone probably not it's been a long time yeah like in person it was jonah leo's meet like five million years Yeah. And every time we go to the Arnold, we always miss each other.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like you got stuff to do when you're there usually. I try not to. I was going to go to the one. I was going to be a spectator, but I'm like, eh, screw it. I don't want to spend all the money right now. I got the, well, had the Sheffield to worry about, but then COVID happened. Yes. So are you doing what what is so what was the last meet you did i know you had worlds in the world game

and some stuff like that what was the last one or what what what is your order because you kind of just do the top tier meets as um if you do those you're kind of stay busy with those so what what ones have you done and which ones are coming up for you then so this year i did the parlor latin america nationals that was in april and then i did the ipf raw worlds in june and then the ipf world games in july and this year it'll be um equip worlds which is november and then it's up in the air if the sheffield people have to do nationals or not so i'm mentally prepared have to do that and then the sheffield so that's what i got on my plate as of now so you're saying like sheffield if you have to do another meet for that to technically qualify for it or something is that right no i already qualified for the sheffield it's just um for us

that have like go to sheffield like the nationals is like three or four weeks prior and it's like we don't unlike me well i always do back-to-back competitions all the time and i'm like i'm mentally prepared i'm ready for it to go back to back again but we'll see like because i didn't have to do the equip nationals for piloting america because of world games and then also raw worlds was one week prior and like traveling back and so so if you're able to get out of it yeah so if you all skipped that nationals because you have the sheffield coming up in a few weeks which is you know maybe more important or a bigger deal for most of you, would technically you not be able to qualify for Worlds that next time around if you didn't do Nationals?

Would that be the problem then? So they're trying to find a medium ground of how to qualify for Worlds. So we don't know what the verdict is yet. But it's just easier. it's just just go go to national but it'll suck for like keiko and chance mitchell you know the ones that have to go like head-to-head or delaney you know and jesus and ray like it's a bloodbath for them right and this is this is an america only problem right uh like they're we're the only ones with our nationals like right before the sheffield aren't we i pete spence is the one to answer that question he's the one that studies

like all the countries yeah big pete is the spd guy right yeah but like he did share with me like a long time ago showing of like when other countries do their nationals. And it honestly, it makes sense to do it in October. Just do it October like a whole bunch of other countries do. Okay. Well, I suppose there's still some figuring that out and like powerlifting America is relatively new. And like there's probably that could change and there is some fine tuning going on with some of that probably still. Yeah. Or just have it in January some of that probably still. Yeah.

Or just have it in January. I don't know. Yeah. Just have it in January. It makes sense to me. Yeah. So how many IPF gold medals do you have? How many times have you won?

11. So do you know what are the 11? So it's like there's a decent number of single ply and raw in there then right uh yes but i didn't know it's gonna be quiz on this i'm really bad knowing my own stat hold on i really am um so at least raw it's 14 15 16 18, 19 and 22 so that's 7 and so equipped I at least did 18, 19

21 no did I there's 11 in there somehow there's several of both so it's fairly even there's more raw than equipped i'd have to write it down that's hard yeah so did you how like how did you when you got into lifting uh powerlifting competing were you raw originally before ever single play um no so when i learned

lifting and whatnot is when i was a kid and the only thing around back then was equipped lifting right that was the only thing so what raw became popular like 2012 2013 something like that but I wasn't lifting at that time that was during my five-year break of absolutely no lifting so I was totally out of touch with power lifting and everything in general so what was your timeline there that you like when had you started and originally competed and then when was your five-year break and why did you take a break so officially like usapl and everything was 2003 to 2008 yeah i was a kid i was only 15 i was a baby so 2003 to 2008 and then 2008 to 2013 i didn't do any lifting and it was just you know met a guy life work you know work all the time go to school and you know I was just like basically like in hindsight is just I was just like imposed I guess that you know I didn't need to do power lifting or whatever. Waste of time. But then in 2013,

I'm like, I want my competitive lifestyle back. I wanted to lift again. And it was just a fire just coming back in my heart and made me happy. And I'm like, I don't want to let it go ever again. And so I've been back since 2013. And just taken all of the medals since then yeah I do my best so if you could only uh going forward only do one either raw or or single ply which one would you pick you know that's too hard I don't know because I have goals in both that I want to do.

Is there one you enjoy doing more than the other? Like raw is easier to train because I don't have to worry about equipment or making sure there's people around to help me put it on. But I like doing a quit because you can do more weight and push your body to the maximum. How much can I put on my back and chest and pull off the ground like it's different and challenging you know and right well so it's hard for everyone's benefit so they they understand too like uh what are your what are your best raw numbers and then what are your best equip numbers in comparison uh okay what did i do i did 608 pounds raw squat my bench i don't remember i think i've done whatever what i really i didn't

do that much i think it was only 152.5 or 153 or something it's about like that 330 yeah three little yeah 33 40 yep oh yeah that's that's tiny yeah um and then um my raw deadlift like i did a 550 like years ago but honestly like i don't post it like other lifters do like their injuries so i've had lots of downs and like injuries and whatnot that affected my deadlift and so i haven't been able to improve it. And well, then I got injured from an athletic trainer before competition. So I got screwed there. Um,

but five 50 for now, but I can, I can demolish it. Um, and equipped. I did seven 11 recently on squat. I've done four 85, um, but it was really easy but i know i can do more and deadlift the equipped deadlift it's it's non-existent like so it's the same basically

as you're wrong like do you think or so for us and like becky holcomb can contest this so when it comes to us and equipped we're always always screwed over. And like one competition, our full power was done in an hour and 45 minutes. So when it comes to deadlifts, you're just dead. I'm tired. I'm like, I'm done. So like you can't truly max. I have not. And there's been

competitions. I'm like, F it. I'm going raw. I don't want to put the suit on because I'm tired. Is there just one flight? How many people are in this competition? So like the IPF and they don't want to put the suit on is there just one one flight how many people are in this competition so like the ipf and they don't care um and i'll i don't care it's on recording like so this is what happens in a competition especially for me i get screwed over so once i rack the squat they start the 20 minute clock they start the 20 minute clock for the break so i don't even get 20 minutes but all the other lifters do and and so i'm waddling off the platform because you're the

last squatter yep yeah the last freaking squatter so so like you're waddling trying to get to the warm-up room and go go go hurry up and bench like honestly the bench is already set up and i'm still in my squat suit and i do my first warm-up in my squat suit well i just put my feet on the bench in a bench you know and this is equipped so yeah you said you got to get a squat suit off and you got to get a bench shirt on yeah exactly so and then like so then you heard then a book 20 minutes has gone by it's not even 20 i get like 17 18 17 and so then when it comes to deadlifts, same thing. I'm towards the end. I may not be last, but second to last, whatever.

Still, rack, that 20-minute clock starts. You don't have time. It sucks. They don't wait. So like USAPL, we wait for the platform to set up. Then the 20 minutes. So you might get an extra five or so. Nope. Not IPF.

That does feel too fast. Like that feels like there should be more time. I feel like it's not possible to say that in powerlifting, but that maybe does seem too fast. It is, especially if we're equipped. And so people ask, what's my PR? And I look like, I don't know. I have not had the opportunity to truly push myself on it because of so many

different scenarios. You can say excuses. I don't care, but it's like, dude, you're not in my shoes feeling how I feel and how it's so fast paced, you know? And like people in training wonder why I try to go fast. I'm like, you don't get it. You don't get it. I don't have time. Even if someone said like, Oh no, I'm going to go to the gym and max out today. I'm going to do all three lifts and I got to do it an hour and a half you'd be like that's not ideal that's seriously so like that was Czech Republic for us you know and so I like I lifted raw dead lift I'm like I don't care I'm raw I'm done or like I did try in fin uh no sweden um but like so there was only five of us in that flight so the spotters and loaders don't care and they're loading everything super fast

and then we supposedly get a two minute break because there's not enough people to make it seven but i'm like dude you're loading the weights in like 10 seconds and then it's the next lifter up so like your attempts are literally four or five minutes apart yeah like i should have passed my second that's what i did on squat so that competition i passed my i did my opener passed my second and went for the hell mary for the world record on third on squat and i should have done that on deadlift because maybe i would have had a PR that day. I've done five 75 for a double in training before done that. Yeah. Just give you a, give yourself a longer break, but like an artist.

Yeah. So, but world games, I don't know. They took away that deadlift. So that was whatever. Okay. So that was, that's of course on our, on our list. Something I know I'm bracing for impact. And just to be honest, we don't know exactly what the scenario was,

but we just know there was a lot of controversy around it. So just explain what happened. We understand it better, too. If I cry, don't get mad at me, but I can cry. It hurts. better too well if i cry don't get mad at me but i can cry it hurts like no one will ever feel the pain that i feel what the ipf did to me and like they actually screwed me over the past three competitions on deadlifts that i've done with ipf 2019 dubai and with becky they red lighted us for supposed pitching one is the bars resettling and that's in the rule book that's okay we get red lighted for it and they don't

care they don't care and then in South Africa I got my third deadlift taken away and then the world games I'm like so IPF just doesn't like me in my opinion in the world games was it a reviewed lift or something like that

nope there was no there was no replay. Okay. Um, so I went out there and, and honestly, like I had an injury, have whatever. And my body, like, this is what makes me cry. I was like, my body was there for me. I was like in pain, like going to the competition, I was hurting. And then that day I woke up and it was like, it's game on. And like, so I didn't fail, but the IPF failed me. Um, but I went out there and I did the deadlift and it was easy. So easy. Like I knew I had it.

I knew I had it. And, um, um, our opinion, my opinion, I don't care. Let the world know. Um, the, we think, I think the jury, there's a certain person on the jury was trying to influence the referees that I was, I was a bad lip and, you know, they didn't like my second one, which looks the same like the third and supposedly I'm not locked out and I'm like that's lockout but okay and so the head referee just gave the jury what they needed to finish me off do not let me win and they just took that red light and this one jury member who does not like Americans and had a personal vendetta against me from like two days prior, which I will say, uh,

well, I'll explain that story in a second. So they had a personal vendetta against me and I just don't think they wanted me to win. And, um, so it hurts. So in that case, is it a jury member? Like,. And, um, so it hurts. So in that case, is it a jury member?

Like, do they get to overrule one of the lights center? How does that actually work? Like what? So you, if you get one red light, um, well, I was told that supposedly there was a protest, but I don't know how it was a protest, but I don't know how true that is, but the jury can just step in and without a protest they can just step in if there's one red light and so i was told that raw worlds it was the same thing the jury was never involved enough at previous competitions so they're going to go

really hardcore at raw worlds which they did they took away so many lifts at raw worlds and they're getting over involved you know right taking away lifts that are good and like the ones that are bad i'm like really jury you're okay um but and so when it comes to a five-man jury only three of them have to agree and so it was three to two so two people said it was a good lift okay three said no but they did not but ipf did not consult with the three referees on the platform they did not consult those referees um gaston i'm just in shock staring and the whole crowd booed when no the crowd booed so loudly you have no idea how it was so loud and Gaston called all referees to the stage any referee that was in that audience in the audience on the side in the

auditorium to the stage and it was like a debate for like 15 minutes and James Townsend who's the team coach he filled out a formal protest where you could slap down like a hundred euro or whatever and fill out a protest. Right. You know, but there was no video to review, which is bullshit. You know, that's, there was, I can't believe it. Every other competition, but the biggest competition, you don't have video to replay, nothing to look at. And so I'm like, I wonder if this was on purpose. It's on purpose to not have video replay. Like I couldn't believe it. And it's things like that, that makes you feel like, how can you like, those are the things that make it hard to take it seriously when they start talking about like Olympics and stuff like that, isn't it? Oh, I would do whatever it

takes to not go to Olympics now. I don't care. I don't care. But, um, and it was just they did but like i said they didn't even talk to the referees the other two referees at least said it was a good lift which are the side referees where it matters where you can truly see lockout right so and oh that's the video that went viral that's from the side so do you think that, uh, you know, the ones, do they have it out against team USA or do you think it was more personal or like, uh, what do you think, uh, what's the reasoning for it? USA and personal. So the referee that I know that doesn't like me and the one that said to go

home and assess your deadlifts and do better to my face at the, at the banquet. Oh yeah. The person said that to my face and in front of myifts and do better to my face at the at the banquet oh yeah the person said that to my face and in front of my coach and we just gawked and we were just in awe like you're you're like we just couldn't believe it like that was said to me um but a couple days so you know when you go to a competition there's a train that said that to you though is that yes don't you be like you're like a jury maybe you need to like rethink your where you align into this whole equation oh yeah and what's funny is the referee that said that to me was actually the referee the head referee for my coach during

like when my coach was lifting when he was lifting and and then what's funny is like his deadlifts were overturned and they're like look at the jury took away the calls. You said we're good. How do you feel? And then like you did that to my athlete and you think that's okay. And, you know, it's like it was a double edged sword there, you know? Yeah. But, you know, in a competition, how there's a training room that's supposed to be accessible to lifters at all times. Yep.

I was denied access and a couple other people. I'm not I'm not kidding um so this training room i'm like why can't we train this is supposed to be accessible when the venue is open i should be able to go in there and train oh it's being held for an interview i'm like i don't care i that interview can be somewhere else and the referee just like oh well you americans you can just i don't know what he said like Like, you can do whatever you want. You walk around like you rule the place. I'm like, I just have balls to say something.

We get to have access to that room. And I'm being denied access, and so is he, and so is he. And then I think that person down there wants to train, too. And I want to train so I can watch Taylor and Kimmy lift, you know? And so I had to wait 40 minutes for this interview to be done and so i think that referee held that against me and was conveniently on my jury yeah okay all right well now we know the story yeah politics is normal yeah i guess yep it's it's against me like they just didn't want me i i won you know yep but they but that head referee

just gave the jury what they wanted with the whisper in their ear and ran with it so you're not gonna like go out to eat with them next time you're around or anything like that you don't think oh i don't want to be around any of the referees no when i go to equip worlds like i'm i'm not going to be anywhere in sight i will only show up when i have to that seems fair uh on a different note we you know everyone's been talking about the ipf bench rule changes lately and uh for most people you know like we talk about it but we don't compete in the ipf uh most people we lift with don't actually compete in the ipf but you actually do uh you don't think you i don't think you've ever had an extreme bench

arch so maybe it doesn't matter to you but maybe it's some of the people you're competing with it affects but just wondered what your thoughts on it are like if it's a big deal or maybe maybe you don't think it is i'm not really sure what uh people actually competing in there think of it well you know to me like i think my bench is fine i think i'm fine with it like my arch is just you know i i can't even go totally flat back anyway i have partial lordosis i swear i don't know um but when i saw that instagram story i didn't even have to watch the competition i'm like dude gaston doesn't like the one inch archers i mean the one inch bencher is like duh it's common sense the raw lifters killing it like you know and that's what happened a lot of rules that have been made it's because of raw lifting

it's just people are blinded by it and i've been in the sport for so long i'm like equip lifters don't do this it's raw that's where it's coming from so it affects everybody but when you go to a gym and a person benches it's full range of motion you know yeah and i'm fine with the rule happening i you know people shame me okay i'm sorry but that's a bench a true bench to me is full range of motion you know have stroke your arms move your arms yeah what arnold arnold and all these other bodybuilders and stuff they do that you know they did that to me that's a true bench bench. So, but the judging thing, yeah, but the judging thing, like I didn't read the rules because for me, why the IPF treats me, I have to go beyond it. So like a fellow teammate messaged me and I just told her, I'm like, dude, make sure your elbows break the bench or, or, you know, go beyond the bench.

She's like, but that's,'s like but that's you know that's not she's going for the bare minimum like this is the ips and me i have to go beyond the bare minimum i have to i have to dip i have to go like sink it i have to be motionless longer i have to hold it at the top longer i'm like i have to go to the extreme so you can't just do the bare minimum you have to go beyond so that's how i put it just just have your elbows you know get down there then it's no question you're not living any benefit of the doubt well that's good no to ask you a question in just a different way than i asked you a question before that you didn't really answer um no no what meant what was a bigger deal to you squatting over 600 raw or squatting over 700 equipped doing 600 raw because equipped i want

a bigger number okay i'm not there yet gotcha so i'm so 700 equipped is more of a stepping stone to where you think you'll get that then uh i can squat 700 easier multiple times than 600 multiple times okay like that's the harder barrier in my opinion and like walk out and sink it you know no question on depth and shit you know like that's a squat to me and so like when i went to raw worlds like yeah i yeah, I know it wasn't a PR, but I'm like, I fricking did 600 again. I'm happy with that. I'm happy.

You know? So for me, you know, that's our like equip 700. I've done it multiple times in the gym. So that cake, you know, now it's like, you need to go for the bigger, I guess it was a big deal. I finally did hit it because I wanted to for so long. And then I finally did it. But now I'm hungry for more.

No, that makes sense. You're out of Omaha, right? Yes, I live in Omaha, Nebraska. But I'm originally from Battle Creek, Michigan. Okay. Okay. Do you ever see Lou Nutter down there in Omaha? Yeah, he works at my gym

you guys knew that we just wanted to talk about him do you keep him in line usually then or I don't know I think he got butt hurt that I was trying to give him advice on his deadlifts a long time ago I would take advice from you.

I think he got mad. He's going to give me shit for saying that. I'm like, sorry, Luke. I could tell you got mad at me that I was brutally honest one time. And then there was a long time you weren't at Omaha barbell deadlifting when I was there. So I do notice patterns. So what is the best gym to train at in Omaha it's honestly Omaha Barbell like there are other gyms but like our culture and community of people it's great like I've been to other gyms and OBB it's just it's family you know there's always people there willing to help and it's just family like honest and we got a lot plenty of great equipment like we keep getting more equipment

brett who's a gym owner he keeps getting stuff you know and like he expanded it like whatever shop was next door he was able to get that you know acquire it and made it a power lifting area like he's always thinking on making it a better gym. He's going to get some strongman stuff in KC sometime, and I need to bug him again. I'm like, yo, when are we road tripping? We're going to get some, okay, I don't know what they're called, the fingle-fingle finger thingy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fingle thingy. Yes, yes. Nobody actually knows exactly what it is, but that's close enough. That's that. Everyone knows, yeah. And then I think we're going to get a Conan's wheel. Okay.

I hope I'm right. Really big pieces of strong. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, he's getting stuff. No Omaha barbell looks really sweet. I'd like to get the chance to check it out sometime. We've had the opportunity to lift in powerlifting meets with some of those

guys before and all really good. A lot of fun like it would for sure be a good crew to lift around i think why don't you lift up the eddie cone meet it's a yeah yeah yeah that's true i know for it i think that uh that's become a pretty cool deal too hasn't it it is and eddie is the head referee and then like you know he'll critique you it's like if it was a good lift or a bad lifting like he'll even help you call numbers sometimes um so will you like do you like help ref at that then too or like what do you what no i don't get to ref that okay can you not like is it

is it uh because of the federation or something like that like are you not allowed to do that uh well i can help at it because it's technically a non-station beat so i can do other stuff okay but the stupid ipf on water rule like i can't i can't even help it i can't even announce at us apl meets now at us apl even because of yeah i can't even announce they purposely wrote the rule of saying that a speaker or slash announcer is like an official role of a competition. And so they, I, like I said, they are against me every which way possible. I swear.

It's pretty amazing how it almost feels like it's just rules just for the sake of rules. Yeah. And so I'm like, I can't even like, so like Colorado, like Rachel loves having me out there to announce. And I had to tell her, I'm like, i can't even like so like colorado um like rachel loves having me out there to announce and i had to tell her i'm like i can't and which breaks so many lifters hearts you know because they love it how i how i just announced and talked during the competition and encourage and help and and then now i can't do it the same thing with like quitting up in wisconsin i can't help him you know it sucks yeah that's lame i i wonder uh like at that meet in two falls did you do some reffing did you do some judging there or something when we were yeah yeah yeah but that was before the split of any

kind so yeah that was yes right that was well before the split yeah I've been a state referee since 2007. We've got this little game we like to play with every guest that we have on called Overrated Underrated. We've put together a very special set of topics that are just handpicked for you. We'll fire them off at you. It's just your job to decide if each one's overrated or underrated. And you can elaborate on that as much as you want to. It's totally up to you.

But you just have to remember that you can't ride the line. You have to come up ultimately with either overrated or underrated for each one. Okay. I think I'm ready. I'm scared. These are pretty intense so oh gosh number one overrated or underrated skyrim well i think it's underrated i love the freaking game i don't care what people think

because you can like save at any time and like you can pick different characters you can go different routes and do different things i love the freaking game and the 10-year anniversary edition there's a lot more shit to it and it's fun it's a big game like do you have do you have a lot of hours invested in it oh i haven't been able to play because i've just been so busy with training i was gonna play tonight even like after this um because i have time um oh shoot i at least on one character easily i've done like 300 definitely it's a minimum one character but i like to take my time and look through stuff yeah but so you've put some time in though like you're not oh yeah yeah you're going for you oh no i got multiple characters i'm on like character six or

seven okay like the hard part is picking a name so i mean so you must have been playing like for quite a few years now though right um ever since it came out oh you have been okay but granted i'm not like a gamer who gets to play every single day but at least like you could save at any point any point that's the biggest thing i love about it and then like i can actually figure out if i haven't played it for like six months i can figure out exactly what i'm doing and just keep going like i played yesterday okay is there any other you have any other commonly played games or is that your, your go-to? Well, I just got a switch, so I'm going to get my own, um, let's go Pikachu and get Skyrim

for it. Just got to have Skyrim available at all times. Yeah. But I got the switch. I know I want to get like theio car and like whatever other cute shit that i can get for it like yeah yeah so i haven't dwelled into it yet i just got it okay all right good on skyrim overrated or underrated the world games you know what i i don't know. Man, shoot. It's hard to pick crap.

I need a better angle. World games in general, like, it is a big deal. But, like, being treated like crap, I want to say overrated. Like I said, no one will ever understand the pain. Like you win and then you're stripped of it. And you know, like that was the hardest thing ever actually. And Oh, just a fun fact. Um, I do not have the metal. I, once, once I got off that podium, I took it off and I went to the warm-up room and i said i didn't come here for second place and i threw it and the trophy i threw it on the ground so nobody knows where those are at now oh i didn't know where it's at somebody else has it a usa person has it and i said don't

you dare ship it to me it will be returned to sender i threw it i didn't go there for second place well especially when you win the first one it kind of feels like a really bad consolation prize so no i don't even have it so were you saying overrated then yeah okay okay overrated or underrated orange sauce orange sauce yeah like what like on chinese food yeah yeah i just i saw something that uh you were meal prepping and you had like uh like a big orange sauce uh as part of it so i wondered if that was a go-to there's multiple orange sauces like i mixed sriracha with mayo or you get the yum yum sauce or the actual orange sauce. That's why I was confused. Yeah, like the actual orange sauce.

Yes. And also, where do you rank it in comparison to those others? To yum yum and sriracha. What's like the tier list of those? Well, I finally found some stinking sriracha because there's a shortage or whatever okay i finally found some and i have this huge thing of mayo

and i can't wait to post it i'm so happy so i'm gonna mix my mayo and sriracha finally um but i like my mayo and sriracha mix and then orange sauce like you know whatever and then um yum yum i don't care about buying the yum yum anymore you don't like him i thought yum yum is not too bad well there's this okay i know this is yum it's still orange that you can buy at walmart it's called yum yum sauce you can use for seafood and chicken or whatever yeah but i just like mixing the mayo and sriracha more. Yeah, sriracha and mayo. What do you like to put it on?

Chicken. I just mainly eat lots of chicken. Okay. So sriracha and mayo, a lot of people do that combo, right? That's pretty common. I've never done that before. So I only did it because you can buy the mayo already like that in a bottle. And it's like, why can't I just make my own?

And you can make it spicier or not so spicy. It's like for a while they made like as a gimmick, it was like peanut butter and jelly in one jar. It is. It's called goober. That's so lame. There you go. I don't know if i need that together in one jar yeah i want to control the ratio yeah i want like i want to do that myself yeah it is

there's stripes of it so do you have to keep that in the refrigerator then i assume right no okay that concerns me then though too if you eat it fast enough you don't have to but it's fine with not refrigerated. Jelly's fine, but I want like 10 times as much peanut butter as jelly. I agree with that. That's what I struggle with there. Yeah, I agree with that. Not 50-50.

Yeah. But it's good for like if you're on a trip, though. You know, like just have that one jar, a short weekend trip or something. Oh, you mean you don't bring a big glass jar of jelly with you everywhere you go i'm the only one it's just easier and you just slap and just put your knife in there and slap it on the bread it's faster is it only grape jelly then i feel like it's just grape jelly is your only choice that's the common one but there is strawberry just that the stores sell it i don't think grape jelly is but even close to the best flavor of jelly that i would think it's the best flavor of jelly i would

rather go with strawberry than grape for sure i don't really like grape jelly i'm like i gotta have the purple i'm like yeah it shouldn't even be called grape it's just purple jelly nothing about it is like a grape but grapes are made that's how you make jelly you gotta take them off the vine and you gotta smush them and you add lots of sugar But grapes are made. That's how you make jelly. You're from grapes. You got to take them off the vine and you got to smush them and you add lots of sugar and you use the cheesecloth to wring it out. I like jam better than jelly.

I guess part of it. Tanner's kind of a hipster. Yeah, I'd rather have a jam or actually to get really crazy strawberry preserves. Oh, God. You bougie with your

jelly jam preserve. Bougie. Yeah, he's all like muddily in the bottom of drinks over here. Yeah, but goobers, that's what that's called i do remember that now then yeah i ate it when i was sick with covid well i had it because i did a trip and i bought that and then

when i had covid i had no appetite i could still taste but i just had like my stomach did not want to take in anything but i force fed myself at least one goober sandwich i'm like well at least those calories i lost like 12 pounds like, well, at least it was calories. I lost like 12 pounds. That was great weight loss program. Okay, okay, okay. So, all right, since we're talking like peanut butter and jelly, do you guys remember Uncrustables at all?

Oh, yeah. Those still are around. Oh, they still make those. Yeah, I know, I know. Kid gets those, yeah. When my brother, when they were in college, they had a deep fat fryer and they loved to deep fat fry the Uncrustables.

That might not be bad. Not too bad. Also not the best habit to be in either. Yeah. I know my power lifting moms like, you know, in Lincoln, there's one that always has those for snacks. I've never had one before. It's different.

Also like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't that hard to make. My wife bought some for my boy a couple months ago, and I'm like, you know you take the bread out, you put it like it's done. You're almost not saving any steps here. But you can hold it in your hand like a pasty.

That's true. So what brand of peanut butter do you go with oh i'm not picky because i always just put it in a shake and blend it up yeah but jeff if i had to be a brand bitch is jeff okay choosy moms choose jeff i know that yeah so je so Jeff. But I can have anyone. It's just going to get blended up. I'm not even sure if there's even a difference between Skippy and Jeff.

The price. Which one's more expensive? I think Jeff's usually the most expensive one, isn't it? I usually just go for whatever one has the best deal on it. Yup. And it gets blended up. okay all right overrated or underrated pokemon go oh it's underrated people like that game people still play that game dude

it's like the freaking number one or two top grossing frickin' game. Okay? Go to Mall of America like I did on coincidence, and there's hundreds of people in that mall playing the game. Or even downtown Omaha. There's people walking around. Now G. Leahy is open. There's going to be packed with Pogo players. So I've never played it before.

I've never played it either, and I always think it's like died out, and then I'll be listening to a podcast, and they'll be talking about how this week we were playing Pokemon Go. Like, is it making like a, does it go in waves? Like, is it in more of a resurgence right now or something or? No, it's, it's always making money. They're always banking. And like people spend, I did spend a little, not like, I don't spend a ton on it, but like buy coins here and there. But no, they just had the world

championship of pvp player versus player battle in london of a couple weeks ago three four weeks ago they had a tournament world championship tournament and actually a player that's like in our discord who lives in indiana he was actually did he go there i don't know i think no no he was at a different one. No, he was regionals. There's even regionals like across the United States. Like there was one in Minneapolis, one in Columbus, Ohio. I think there's some in Indianapolis or Florida or Texas, out west somewhere.

Like there's regional PVP battlers. And like I'm part of a whole bunch of discords all over the states. And there's active people on there all the time would you rather win one more ipf world championship or win one pokemon go pvp world championship power lifting i'm not a pvp i collect the shit that is good for pvp and i just make my neighbor play my account when he's bored i'm like here you go i got the stuff to battle with you can do it okay i don't do it but there's the game is better now than when it started though so like are there like some of the pokemon like when you talk about going to the mall of america like is it

are there some you can only get at the mall of amer America or is it just a fun place to play it there? It's a fun place to play, but there's always events. There's always like, so community day, community day is a three hour event. So you try to get as many shinies as you can, or it could be like an X, like an XP event or a Stardust event, um, or there's GoFest. So when I was up there for Rammstein um the same day was the the final day of like go fest so there was one in june and then this one in august and so mall of america there's lots of spawns because you want places with lots of spawns and pokey stops and gyms and

mall of america is a breeding ground for it so you want to go to a dense place or like here in omaha are you saying you went to rammstein concert in the cities yeah there was yeah i knew there so you went to yeah how was it i knew that there was freaking amazing yeah yeah i got that was my second time seeing them i got to see them i think it was 2011 i think it was dallas is is where I got to see them the first time. I didn't know they were still around right now.

Yeah, well, the concert was supposed to be 2020 and then postponed to 2021 and then postponed to this year. Okay, isn't... Yeah. Maybe you know this. Wasn't the lead singer

like an Olympic swimmer or something for Germany? I have no idea. Okay, I don't study people like that like to you multiple times yeah i never look i don't know the answer to that either still okay i just like their music seriously if you want a show and like pyro and stuff they still do all the flames and yes i i need to post my little videos and pictures i just haven't done that because i took so many and i want to look at them and take my time but like i picked the best seats i don't care what

people say i love where i pick their seats because i knew it i knew it was going to be a good spot because of my experience in 2011 that i faintly remembered and so like i didn't want to be in a fire zone on the floor with sweaty bodies and standing and i want to be in the bowl so i'm like in the lower bowl but we're in the middle and i'm like i know they're going to have a stage in the middle of this the arena i knew they would and we were right right in front of that middle stage like yes and then like the main stage was to our left and you could still feel the heat yeah stage and we actually had pyro and fires in front of us by that middle stage you know and so when i loved it when you're saying all this you know what i picture i picture you in that scene from the movie triple x with vin diesel and

and there's flame everywhere so i just picture you in a vin diesel movie yeah but they didn't play that song believe it or Yeah, but they didn't play that song. Believe it or not, Firefly, they didn't play that one. Really? They didn't? Oh, why would they not play that song? I don't know. They played other ones. Did they play DuHost?

Of course. Is that like the last song that they come out or like? It wasn't the last one that they played. Okay. I basically did videos like almost of all the songs that they were doing. Yeah. I just need to post them what one other thing about pokemon before we completely get off pokemon is the three of us are all uh similar-ish ages i think like did you grow up oh playing pokemon at all or yeah okay like like are you talking like red and blue like and like pokemon yellow oh for me red and blue i

played those things so many times like but that was where pokemon that was my pokemon experience was like the first 151 pokemon and then outside of that like i i just the world the pokemon world moved on without i've never played i i i do not even to this day i don't know what pokemon really means oh my god you play it like i've never owned a pokemon would you do this we, to this day, I don't know what Pokemon really means. Oh my God. I've never owned a Pokemon card before. Would you do this? We'd go to our friend's house and you'd have the cable

and we'd trade them with each other. And all that. Oh yeah. And then there was the hack. Do you need to borrow my Game Boy? Oh, I could pound through some of those games. Oh, I loved it. But like, what are you saying?

Was it a card game that you were playing? No, I'm talking on the Game Boy, the cartridges. okay play and then you'd collect the pokemon and you could collect the pokemon and then there was like it was almost like a usb cable you could connect your two game boys and you could trade pokemon with each other so would you do the cards though then i actually had i mean i bought the cards too as a kid like i had a holographic the cards are a game themselves yeah the cards are a game but you weren't playing, the cards are a game too. But you weren't playing that. I did collect those. Yeah, I collected some, but my parents weren't going to buy me tons of...

They just wouldn't buy me tons of cards. So I was like, okay, you get the cards once in a while, but all right, here's the Game Boy game, and this will keep you busy for months on end. Okay. Yeah, the cards, you need quite a few hundred, and that was a lot of money. Because you need to make decks and decks.

Yeah, and also as a lot of money and okay because you need to make decks and decks yeah and also like as like a fifth like grader ish i don't i just didn't have the time to like learn the card game like that wasn't as interesting to me as playing the game boy like game boy was always way cooler okay well yeah what game boy was it was game boy advance wasn't it no game boy color that's a game boy color that's a game boy game boy color was the same shape as game boy it was the purplish clear one that was the one i had that's the one i yeah i had that i still have it because game boy advanced was a way different thing yeah that one was like sideways yeah game boy color sideways and then they made the game boy but then the game boy events sp which is the square one which i still have i got all three still, and I got the DS Lite.

Didn't Sega make something? Sega Genesis? Well, Game Gear was like their Game Boy. It required like 12 AA batteries. I don't think it ever caught on very well. I never heard of that, but I do have my Sega Genesis still.

Sega Genesis was not as good as Nintendo. Not quite. but it has sonic yeah they did have sonic though that's about yeah that's that's i don't know i got some barbie game i could play i think i remember playing road rash the motorcycle game i remember killer instinct it was a fighting game um there was some other ones but okay so we've got shakfu obviously well obviously yes um there's one overrated underrated topic left and we usually always save the best the best for last and usually the last one is uh like how you do on this last one decides

your performance of like the entire podcast so oh no yeah a lot rides on this so overrated or underrated Sioux Falls South Dakota I don't know anything about Sioux Falls you've been there we've been there with you before I don't know anything about it wait you know what here we go you still have to answer it's underrated because i think why the hell does mitchell south dakota have the freaking cabela's why does sioux falls not have the cabela's why the little podunk corn palace whatever the that is i thought you're gonna say why does mitchell have the corn palace yeah yeah what's the fucking corn palace i didn't know what that is but why does mitchell south dakota have the

cabela's did you know that makes no sense did you know that the i like corn kid came to the corn palace here like earlier this last month and he's like oh my god south dakota's official like corn representative from south dakota no no i think they like flew him into the corn palace made him an honorary member of south dakota for the okay oh my gosh no so I'll say underrated because it doesn't have a Cabela's Mitchell has the Cabela's no sense so you've been to Mitchell before too yeah that was because that's oh he's not gonna hear this oh that's where I went on a date and like that's where we met and I'm, where the hell is Mitchell South Dakota? I had to Google map it.

And I'm like, this little town has the Cabela's? Why couldn't we go to Sioux Falls? You never know. That guy might be a big fan of the Massonomics podcast. Like a 50% chance. No. He's not a powerlifter. He listens to country music all the time

and no he doesn't yeah I like country music a little bit okay so I say underrated Sioux Falls underrated, Mitchell overrated yeah

any other South Dakota towns that you would either under overrate uh i don't know that wait isn't that wall wall drug or whatever wall yep wall is a south dakota what's so special about that place nothing they're experts okay that's overrated wall drug is overrated for sure if anything's overrated it's definitely wall drug there we go i just had to think about it i had to make sure it wasn't that's a good call that one yep good good idea there uh it would have been really funny actually if you're like you know what that place is really underrated i'd be like what i don't know wasn't this other place like aberdeen or something

now that's underrated yeah that one is underrated now that's the hot spot kind of the cultural hub of the entire that should have the corn palette that's true with a cabela's inside of it oh my gosh no if you have a freaking cabela's i'm still gonna be like it needs to be in sioux falls it's a bigger city yeah uh good news it looks like you passed overrated, underrated. Yay! Something to celebrate. A fun fact about Cabela's though.

The one I think in Nashville or Tennessee or whatever, it has one of the largest pyramids in the world. Is that the Bass Pro Shop or is that the Cabela's? Aren't they kind of the same thing? We got a Bass Pro and Cabela's. Didn't Bass Pro Shops

buy Cabela's? That could be. I don't know for sure. I think they did because I always thought it seemed so backwards. To me, Cabela's seemed like a way bigger name than Bass Pro Shops, but I guess people don't wear Cabela's hats ironically like they do Bass Pro Shops. That's a good point.

That is a good point. Don't buy a task. Yeah, that's a good point that is a good point i'm glad i passed yay yeah that's a big deal so that means we will air this episode we're not just gonna dump it now okay did i do good i behave myself yep you you passed uh so even if we're not going to rob you of uh you passing actually this we have to send this to the massonomics jury quick there may be something's changing we're not sure yeah wait are they the three blind mice it's 200 angry gentlemen well i'm gonna have my team of 300 yeah my army of 300 i should say yeah uh no so this was really fun we have we uh really

glad we got you on it was well overdue is there anything um what say again what's your next competition so we can make sure to be watching and cheering and everyone else can be too um i'm gonna go to equip worlds in november and where's that where's that at in denmark okay yeah that is cool over there okay well we'll be cheering you for you for them that's not that far around the corner actually and what about like uh sponsors or anything like that is there any of that stuff you want to get out i think you're probably sponsored by sbd i'm guessing yeah that's correct yep and like appleton coffee um with steve um but we've got some appleton coffee mugs that he sent us one time that are pretty pretty awesome mugs i love it it's like lightweight

and like i like i love it i got one too. Quest Nutrition. Not like the Quest Bars, but like the OG Quest Nutrition by Sherman out of Atlanta, Georgia. He helps me out with supplements and whatnot. That's what I have for sponsors and whatnot.

All right. Perfect. This was awesome. I'm glad we got you on. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy this episode. Or they'll be like, oh, I'm going to get shamed. I'm going to get negative comments. Like, oh my gosh, she said that. No, the only negative comments we get are about us. And they say, why do those two guys talk so much?

We just wanted to hear more Bonica. At least you guys say my name right, so you get brownie points for that. We usually try to make sure that we do that beforehand so it's one of our special to be fair like we kind of like to have these little rivalries with other podcasts and um the guys at two white lights say your name wrong a lot i've noticed over the years you know what and i i don't i'll get shamed for this and they will like the um oh no they'll forever say my name wrong well i know angelo he has does take pride and say my name right but the other guy steve i i don't know okay his name is p2 okay steve steve okay steve steve um so somebody pointed it out to me again, like a couple months ago that he said my name wrong.

And so I made an Instagram story and his response was because basically because I blast him on social media and not private message him that he says my name wrong. That's why he keeps saying it wrong. That's the bottom line. That's what it equals to. I'm dead serious i'm like so i can't you have so in the end in the end of the day i'm like he gets to have a podcast event out but my way to vent out is my stories on social media so i'm like it's you know well i have to secretly send messages to so i said so i sent a dm i'm like please don't say my name please don't mention me in any more

podcasts i don't care i said that i'm like don't mention me i don't but then i get the response but you're a well-known lifter of achievements and blah blah blah i'm like but you say my name wrong it's disrespectful yeah no i flat out said that so i don't know whatever i i just think it's really rude and like people should call them out in front of pound it more because that it's just rude to not say somebody's name right you know well we're and it's not made up we don't know but that's what truly happened like a few months ago because i say it on. Just another check mark for the Mastanomics column. Yes, exactly.

Well, awesome. Thanks for coming on. We can let you get back to... Let's see. You didn't say you're going to play Pokemon Go, right? What did you say? I could drive around downtown. Well, there's a new pokemon out

there's a new event i do need to collect some so i can get a lucky you know do lucky trades gotta catch them all as they say exactly yeah so it's a toss-up skyrim or because i don't have to work until 8 a.m tomorrow and that's sick so i don't know i'd go to bed. I'm already counting down the hours. There's no debate there. Awesome. This was a lot of fun. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me.

Have a great night. You too. See ya. Bye. Give her the double cool beans cool beans beans cool beans give her the double cool beans a full double serving and cool beans bonica loved lived up to the height yeah she's maybe she's gonna have her cool beans with some uh grape goobers jelly covered in goober goober sauce goobers yeah i forgot about that that's what that's called isn't there kind of like little guys like on the isn't there like little illustrations of like a kind of like a grape

guy on the jar i gotta like a goober i guess right you know um in one of my business classes it was a group project thing like if uh anyone's gone to like business school a lot of your classes especially the more um yep here it is oh i want to see this like a kind of a little illustration of a little okay of a like a little grape that's way too much jelly in the ratio though like i was picked like as we talked about it i'm like maybe the jelly is just a sliver per like that's would be a way the ratio would be way off yep that for me. That ain't right. But a group project. They're always trying to get you to pitch ideas.

Yeah, they're always pitching ideas, especially for the less analytic business classes and the more marketing, especially marketing. More free thinking. Right, that sort of stuff. And one of the ones, this was not my idea, but I was also like, I wasn't the wheels turning. Right, that sort of stuff. And one of the ones I've, this was not my idea, but I was also like, I wasn't the idea man.

So I'm like, I'm not going to shoot down. If someone else has something we can at least roll with here, I'm all for it. So was this part of your group or was this a different group? This is part of my group. So our concept was a peanut butter sticks,

like how butter comes in a stick okay and it's for and there's a woman in my group where this is her idea because peanut butter is commonly used for baking purposes and then you just like a stick of butter you cut it off and measure the tablespoon amounts so that the peanut butter would come in sticks like that and then you cut it and measure and she was pretty sold that this was a good idea. And to me, I have no background. I'm not a baker myself. And I thought...

Yeah, I'm not either. But I could wrap my head around the thought that they could appear in a stick like that. It seems weird, but also probably a lot of new ideas seem weird before they're a thing too. Seems like really specific packaging for one. Yeah.

And I do remember the professor did not like the idea like shitting on it but it but it was well just like peanut butter stay in a stick like because i feel like that is one of the things butter has going for it is if you don't leave it in the stick it still stays in that shape it doesn't turn into like a blob on your counter i suppose there's things you could do in the process to make it slightly more because the problem is we don't have enough preservatives you know the problem with peanut butter it's too pure but what bothered me what i will forever remember with this professor shooting down and granted i also thought it maybe wasn't that good of an idea but my thought is i don't bake so yeah i'm not sure maybe there

is some merit and i'm not the one asking a bunch of kids to come up with some crazy ideas and he like he was also not a baker and i just thought really like how are you shooting yeah like how are you shooting like i feel like you're uh too narrow-minded on this granted i think he's right it was not a good idea but i just kind of wondered like if he had the right yeah if he was really the expert right right to be able to shoot it down he was really the mark cuban shark tank and the i don't think it really generally mattered if the idea itself was good or not it was more than everything that was built around that yeah but uh one other thing that i'm thinking of this is a good story for the podcast

as far as business school I love these a lot of people because I didn't go to business school and you know who else didn't go to business school Michael Jordan didn't go yeah what is that on Michael Scott

he goes to Ryan's class a lot of people didn't go to business school Kobe Bryant just professional athletes like pro basketball players there's this simulation and that at the university that I went to this was undergraduate it's common that everyone this is like a capstone course had to go do this simulation uh it was a computer online program whereas shoe company where you're selling shoes like you're competing against uh you know the nikes the rebox the adidas and you have the shoe company and

it's uh you get to position your shoe company in the market however you want to you know do you want to be a low cost leader do you want to be a high cost and and it goes down to things as far as like selecting on your marketing budget you know are you choosing to have high level pro athletes like you have so much money to work with and this is a week over week over week simulation so you go to class and like they put you up on the board of where you're positioned at in relation to everyone else in your class because you're competing against oh you are everyone else in your class at this point in, was one of the variables as an option, was the checkbox exist for going viral? Was that an option?

No, actually a way to, yeah, social media marketing wasn't even a thing. What might be the biggest part of the marketing picture didn't exist. Didn't exist whatsoever. Yeah, wouldn't that have blown their minds to be like, yep, we just broke the game. We're not doing any of this shit. We've got to write this damn program all over again we're gonna send our shoes to a bunch of uh you know people that it's gonna be this really oddly addictive program run by uh the chinese government and if we can get some people on there to push our

shoes it's gonna be the next big thing um and so this was like a four person group and, um, the team that you're in, we had a lot of responsibilities to do like that. Just the simulation wasn't our only, only, uh, thing that we were partnered on for this class, but the simulation was a huge part of the class and a huge part of the grade. But so our theory, you know, I was with a pretty, uh, I was in a pretty good group of guys that I was all, all kinds of buddies with, you know, I wasn't necessarily hadn't been weren't my closest of buddies, but it was people I've been adjacent to for a long time. And we kind of, you know, maybe at a few parties together, I kind of know these guys.

Yeah. We're on the same page. We want to get shit done without, you know, we don't want to put, we, our goal is not to be the ones that put the most out man hours into this project. We want to do as good as possible, but yet like do as little as possible. The least investment. Yeah, exactly. So we, we're dividing up things and saying, all right, you're going to be the simulation

guy. We're not going to sit here and the four of us aren't going to meet on this. Like it is on you to lead us, lead us in the simulation. You know, like say I wrote, you know, there's probably a big paper that we did and maybe I, that was mine. You were the paper guy. Yeah, right, right. And so the simulation guy who's on the football team

and he said, I'll be the simulation guy because there's a service online specific to this program. Because many schools use this or used to use this. Oh, okay. So this wasn't like a one-off bespoke program for... No. No, this was a widely used business. There might be people listening to this that actually use this too.

And it's been too long for me to remember the name of it or anything like that. But there's a service you could pay that kind of told you that game that gave to make that yes that that uh instead of it wasn't in the true spirit of the simulation it actually was gaming it like that was just almost like cheat codes and shortcuts of like now do exactly this this and this in week two and you will be the high performer no matter what like it's just like it kind of like uh that's what seems kind of dumb because like those things they're just rewarding you based off of well predicted outcome i guess like right yeah not how that works anymore like

right you don't just do a b and c and now you have a profitable company exactly maybe back then that could have worked that way but it doesn't feel like that's necessarily how things go anymore true and it is way different now than it would have been you know like almost 15 years ago when i was yeah is that right yeah what the hell yeah um but we can't we gamed it and and you could, I use the word game. Somebody could probably use the word cheated, but I wouldn't specifically. I think Statue of Limitations is long enough

that cheating couldn't nip anyone in the bud at this point in time, but it was a paid service in order to allow us to game the system and that paid service and we had the best we kicked everyone else's asses and he put almost no time and uh he said it was fairly expensive oh really but that was his contribution he was like this is gonna cost me no time but i'm going to foot the and we were all in agreeance like all right you can't argue with yeah he's so he's like i'll foot the bill on uh this paid service you're like i'm

like once removed from this so i'm clean exactly that's that was also my thought i'm like even though like you know your brain you think of that's how you justify it in reality that's not uh we might be in the same we might might be weaving the same tangled web, but I'm not touching this. Yes, I'm one spot removed from it. So that was my story. I'm curious what type of other wacky shenanigans they do in business schools. I've got. I'll maybe save some.

We won't do a whole episode here. But I'm just curious because things have changed. I get a lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it has not changed at all. Like it's right. Okay. You have to know how to do the number. Yeah.

Well, and at the basics, you know, like, uh, conceptually things, concepts, ideas haven't changed.

It's more so like the exact application of things. Yeah. The execution. Right. That might go now is, is it's just, it's just way different. It's like way different mediums. And it like changes so fast. That's why I'm curious how that part go now is it's just it's just way different it's like way different

mediums and it like changes so fast that's why i'm curious how that part of it ever gets discussed but that is actually the way more the marketing than right business specifically right yeah that would be specifically marketing probably you know not not something the bean counters want to get involved with that's right that's right and for anyone that was wondering uh you went to one of canada's top business schools and got really good grades, right? Is that from the office? Oh, that's Nathan for you.

Yeah, that's Nathan for you. Canada's top business schools and got really good grades. It's all like C's. Right, right. My son even picks up. He always laughed at that part of it because he could see the report and be like, why is that really good grades?

No, i went to the university of south dakota uh the u as we call it as most people in the country yeah the u that was my business school update that's pretty good anything else we had to hit people with? I did want to talk to everyone a little bit about Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI is what Tommy and I have been both using for our training. I wasn't at the gym today. That must have been yesterday that we were at the gym together. We were both hitting up some Juggernaut AI. And we've been loving it, both making progress,

both kind of getting through a cycle right now you know like or I think you just said you're just starting your peaking block. I just entered the peak. And I'm getting towards the end of my peaking block and making progress and a lot of the people that we've witnessed in the gym that have got on and have been making really good progress as well and part of it is I think sometimes people are averse to really having a set program and sticking with something for a long time and a great thing about juggernaut is once you get going on it it's it builds a lot of momentum in the way that once you get started and rolling on it you kind of want to continue rolling on it i think like that's a feeling that i have that

like once i get it's building on itself it's learning more about you as it's going and you're learning more about it and the app as you go juggernaut is makes the perfect case for the bigger time investment you give something i'm not saying like time directly in the gym but like a time investment of six months or more yeah the more you get rewarded like yes there is something, like I've, as someone that's done eight-week programs for almost their entire lifting life. Yeah, just stacked back to back. Just stacked, 12-week programs, eight-week programs, even 16-week programs.

When you do something that's looking at the even bigger picture, you can really get rewarded because you can really build those foundational blocks that really set you up towards the end. Absolutely. And the best part about all of that, you can use discount code MASSANOMICS to save you 10%.

But when you get signed up, what you need to do is go in your browser. Don't go through the App Store. Go through your browser and go to juggernautai.app and then sign up with this discount code Monomics uh with the code it just will not let you use a discount code through the app you have only these discount codes on the internet so if it's allowing you to use a discount code that means you went to the right place yeah uh it'll cost you about 30 bucks a month cannot go wrong i feel like there's no like long-term contract if you really decided it's not for you you could get out of it i think the first month's

even free i think when you put pencil to paper pen to you, you could get out of it. I think the first month's even free, I think. When you put pencil to paper, pen to paper, whatever you like to put to paper. Whatever utensil you use to make markers. Do you ever like to have a marker board in your workspace? You know, I actually, at previous jobs, maybe thought marker boards might have been the answer. I get it. I think if everyone works somewhere long enough they get at some point management of one level or another gets caught up in the whole

uh kaizen uh lean manufacturing Toyota way of doing things and so does marker where does marker board fit in um i can see the value of it in the what what part of that is the signing part where you make things super obvious because if people can't see it they don't know what's there right i get that part of it um for me working alone organizationally you know it all has to be digital it has to be like everything's digital um if i can't have it at my fingertips within like a moment's notice it might as well not exist because yeah that's how i am but i can see the value in certain scenarios for a very small team of one person there's like me there's almost no value in it that's uh i've never i've never had a marker board in my office or anything like that and used it in that way but i just recently just this week talking to the supply people and

said dig me up a marker board i need one because I've been working on this big project and it's a team project, you know, a small team project. And we keep like rehashing some of the same things. And I want just a visual of like, where I can put like, here's our top four to-dos that need to get done. Here's when each four of those need to get done by. And then where I can, and once those four are done, it's just going to be the next fourth like there's like almost like going to be a

never-ending things to tackle on this so i want to be able to keep like oh refreshing what the the toyota way there you know because if you don't have any problems then you know what they say then you have a problem so oh the the most success i ever had with them or the way it worked best for me i did the the can band board style where it's like you have like multiple columns and then what i would do is you'd put like for the way we used it the way i did it was we had a waiting to start in progress and done column and then we just put sticky notes on them gotcha so when we had like multiple like somewhat bigger projects all happening at the same time with multiple people and also other people from other departments would want to know where they were at too it made it really easy like nope the board's here here's those 30 kind of like

mid-tier projects right and you can see on the list where yours is at if it's happening if it's about to happen when it's going to happen and or if it's done if you haven't been paying attention they can just look there and know that actually worked kind of good for us but then you get a little bit of even the sense of completion thing like when people make the checklist oh that is huge yeah oh yeah marking things off a checklist it doesn't get much better than that yeah like oh yeah i did that yep the progress is just i'm unstoppable a lot of days at work i on a sticky note i'll make like my like at some point in time they i just make a very ad hoc checklist for the day where i'm like

these are four things i really like i gotta get these things done today and i'll make the checklist even though i'm not gonna forget any of them yeah i just like to be able to like scribble that and then i'm like all right i know i can get these three done pretty quick i'm just gonna get these ones done real quick and then scribble them off there yeah that's i mean we have asana for our we do yeah we but that's that's kind of a whole different beast though that's almost a checklist on steroids yeah that's kind of just like a living brainstorm uh list yeah more than anything right right right but there is when it comes to releases that is where it releases like if we didn't have that it would be really really hard to keep track of

releases true because we get everything we have our headings for each month and what needs to happen if we had to reinvent the wheel every time we wanted to go back to that it'd be like now what were we talking about like when we last talked about this like two months ago yeah because that actually does happen where we're like oh i think we had this in there. We go pull up the card for that one. And oh yeah, we actually had whole lists of things we wanted to do. Like it's almost done already. Right, right.

You just forget because so many things happen. Well, and sometimes that's the idea process or like maybe like the creative process. You know, you just need to write something down that day because the rest of it hasn't hit you yet. And then by the time you revisit it, you're like,

yeah, that's a good idea. I think there is something major to it when it comes to like creative and more abstract things is you figure out what it is and what needs to happen you put it in your brain and then you just like close the door and leave and let's just let that stew in the back without even really thinking about it much and then maybe when you come back to it later you're like you do or because it's been sitting in the back of your mind you'll be like whatever driving home one day and it just, you're like, ah, you do. Or because it's been sitting in the back of your mind, you'll be like, whatever driving home one day. And it just hits you because you kind of are, it's just sort of low process back there.

And then something will stick once in a while. So that is the way to do that. Yeah. That's free advice. Yeah. Unless you're a supporting member, you don't pay. Don't get that in business school.

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