Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 340: Gabriel Pena

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

Big Gabriel Pena joins us for this one to talk about 1,000+ pound deadlifts, drone racing, and exploring the cosmos. Will Gabe be the first man to deadlift on the moon?? Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! site everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 340 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from the heart of the midwest western northeast south dakota my name's tanner and my name is tommy it's like the heart if it was up even higher, like more in your throat. Yes, and it even meant more than the heart normally does. Than a regular heart. There's more Midwest controversial talk on Instagram today.

That really gets people going on that, doesn't it? It does get people going. There's a lot of opinions specifically on Ohio. And they're pretty polarized, and there's not a whole opinions specifically on ohio and uh it's they're pretty polarized and there's not a whole lot that are like yeah whatever it's usually a very strong response one way or another it um i think it highlights uh the how ohio specifically is like this maybe yeah is like this with this one little slice of oddity right there really makes you think, doesn't it?

Does make a guy think. And you know what episode 340 means. We did the impossible. Yep. We got to read another Spud Inc. ad. So head on over to spud-inc-straps.com and check out their Spud Inc. bands. You know, we're talking the bands you've gotten gotten the

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Pulley sled in the cart. See what all you can fit in that cart. And thank you, Spud Inc. And as long as we're talking about thanking people, thank you, Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI is the app that Tommy and I and i both use for our training programming we both have for several months now you could almost say it's become the go-to app of lifters at massonomics gym that's true and they there was just an update this week did you see that there was an update

i haven't uh messed around with it really but i didn't know the update um i haven't looked too closely that i actually just updated it today the big thing i see for there's like a warm-up feature i and what i'm saying not your warm-up before you start lifting but if you're going for like a heavy single or a heavy set you can uh if you choose to it can tell you there's actually our conversation just a week or two ago talking about what you do for squat sets leading up to it well i can tell you like uh just gonna say not optimal yeah no but it'll give you a plan for leading up to that and i don't know if that particular feature for me is the most important thing because i feel fairly

comfortable about what i do but i've also been you know doing it for like 15 years so i feel like i know what i need to do reverse the momentum all right right but if maybe you had been doing it a little less long and you want a little bit of guidance on how to warm up now that's an added feature my bigger point there there is continuing to be more features added to the app all the time all the time yeah and otherwise uh it's just uh principle-based training uh phasic that helps you hopefully get stronger over a period of time you can go straight power lifting that's what we use but there's a power building option i'm much less familiar with that but the power lifting option is what we use and what a lot of people in our uh mass atomic supporting community use that we hear back from yep so check them out make sure to go to the website though when you sign up through your browser and go to juggernautai.app

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Do it! There was exciting news this week. Breaking news. Breaking news. Yeah, MASSANOMICS podcast faithful listener, Big Co-K co keeft caught his first nfl pass yep this last week did you see the catch i saw the catch yeah it was a really good catch it was a really good catch that wasn't just like a softball that was no and it worked for that it was funny i saw co someone made a funny meme about it. And, you know, Happy Gilmore.

You've seen Happy Gilmore, I hope. Yeah. I have seen Happy Gilmore. When he goes, uh-oh, Happy learned how to putt. Yeah, I saw that too. That's a joke with Ko. Like, oh, if this guy can catch. People are in trouble here.

Right. I think it was a 19-yard reception. It's pretty stoked on that i'm uh seeing touchdowns in the future here yep that's that's gonna be the next big milestone is when he catches that first tutty pass so congrats on the catch though yeah great stuff that's a big i mean i'll say he's caught a pass and then in an nfl they lost but it wasn't ko's fault i would well they didn't get any touchdown passes to him. He needs more balls thrown his way.

All he does is catch them. It's like shooting 100% over there. Yes. So congratulations to Coe. We do have a big fan-submitted sack and can segment this week. I noticed you had another topic in here, though, too. What did I have? Oh, so this is actually um this podcast we did a lot of talking not related to the podcast beforehand which means

that i am totally not prepared in any way but uh let me let me get this let me get this little uh point brought up here okay so have you do you know at this point i wrote monster do you know what that's about at all or what are they right bang okay well i gave Okay, so do you know what this... I wrote monster. Do you know what that's about at all? Or was I right? Bang. Okay, well, I gave half this away. Do you know what this is about then? Bang and monster? Yeah.

That's exactly what it's about. If the frickin' internet would work, I could tell you. All right, here's the headline. Monster Energy wins $293 million false advertising verdict against rival Bang. That's a lot of money. Okay, so Bang was doing some false advertising bangs super creatine advertising was misleading the jury found so um basically monster was suing

bang that they were falsely advertising the ingredients and you could argue the health benefits of their drink and uh they their their problem was with bangs super and i didn't even know this other thing bangs super creatine did not contain any actual creatine which doesn't that seem like maybe don't do that part like right yeah um so monster sued. Because I think monster also puts creatine. I think on their pants it says creatine. Okay.

And then you have bang arrival coming out and they have super creatine. But then according monsters allegations were that you're advertising this as super creatine when there's actually no creatine in it. Yep. And apparently, uh, that seems to be the case it's interesting to me so like so there's so monster can claim damages to them i mean i i get that bang shouldn't have been false advertising but why does monster get 300 million dollars yeah so this says the jury awarded monster nearly 272 million for false advertising 18 million on claims that bang interfered with its contracts with retailers for prominent shelf

space okay okay so that well that's 18 million uh and three million on claims that bang stole trade secrets from former monster employees it recruited it is also crazy that there's not just a way that people can like just dump this drink in the thing and know exactly what it's made of. There's trade secrets and monsters still. Right. Uh, and it said monster previously won $175 million award from an arbitrator in a related trademark case, which a California,

uh, Hmm. I'm not sure what that 175 million is about. That might be the bigger thing. Okay. Uh, according to the lawsuit, bang advertised it its super creatine

as being 20 times more effective at reaching the brain than other forms of creatine. And it said its energy drink can reverse

mental retardation. What? It's a very odd claim. And help cure disorders like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. That's probably taken too far.

Yeah, I would say. Monster said super creatine does not contain any real creatine or provide any health benefits. Hmm. So did you also notice a big Jeff from the mass dynamics discord community this week was commenting on how, um,

what's the evil water. Oh, liquid death, liquid death. Yeah. Liquid death well we did we talk about on the podcast or was it just you know we did talk about it on the podcast but then he had some facts about how they actually have grown maybe grown faster than like oh yes that they're the biggest like non-alcoholic beverage company right going faster than any yeah yeah yeah that is pretty insane their speed of growth like how it exceeds like what monster was doing or bang or you know any of these other ones that's still i get it where we are in the the heart of the upper midwest here you know true and so we tend to be sheltered from trends but it still is kind of hard to come by

liquid death around here true i've i've only seen it in a very small display in one of our grocery stores. I don't think I've seen it in Target. I don't really go to Walmart, so maybe it's at Walmart. Yeah, and as I think about it, I'm not sure where I would see it because I don't go into grocery stores and I don't go into gas stations. Almost never. Your car just magically fills itself up well i just go i just pay at the pump um so i yeah and you know if i'm not leaving town i'm not like i'm never

like oh i'm gonna stop in the gas station and grab something to drink because i'm like i'll be home in three minutes uh-huh yeah i it's like i we see bang everywhere like rain like when those things got big we saw i feel like we were on rain, like when those things got big, we saw, I felt like we were on that way. We saw those things come in and now I've started to see those ghost energy drinks around too. Yeah. Uh,

but I still liquid death is still hard to come by, which is kind of crazy because they have, uh, blowing up market share apparently. And then I did see the comment too. It is very funny that, you know, we were talking about your

business school experience yeah and if you would have pitched that in business school how you probably would have gotten laughed out the door they would have been like yeah you're barely flavored canned water like 15 years ago wouldn't people have been like yeah so we're like okay what's your idea we're gonna have a healthy alternative to soda they're like oh what is it like diet soda it's like no it's just naturally flavored water they're like what will it taste like so it'll be similar in taste of soda no it'll be significantly weaker like to the point where people will not like it it's so weak and then they would say why would anyone like that that's a terrible idea wouldn't that absolutely have been the conversation i don't know how it couldn't be. How could people think that that was a good idea at the time? And now it's doing what it does.

Yeah. That is pretty amazing. Yeah. How the turntables turn, they say. Yes. All this talk has made me want to get to this special hand sack segment that we've got to. Need a little excitement. Snap into a slim

gym. So this is a special fan submission. Do I need to cover my eyes? No, I don't think so because first there is this. Oh, whoa. Back our way. It's our old postcard. The Grassonomics postcard. Have you seen one of those for a while? It's been a long time.

All the way back to western northeast South Dakota. It's pretty amazing. Should I read it right now? Yeah, I think it's... Okay, it says okay to read, which is the first tip. That's how you know it's okay to read. Greetings from City of Ontario. Enclosed are three items. Cans, guess and rate.

Candy, Canadian only. Big reveal, gifts for everyone to distribute as you see fit. Okay. So I didn't come prepared with this open. Okay, then it says can wrapper designed by Oren, three years. And then in quotes, we have big check Joey. So is this, the can has a disguise on it. That's how I read that, yes that yes okay so we can look at

the yep what's on there all right yep reading the art here i have a number one i have a t on here but that could be a t for tanner or t for tommy yeah that's it does get confusing has some nice it could almost be a lacroix pattern you know with the abstract brush. So do we do the can first? Because there are other things. I think we do the can first. Okay. All right. Ready for this?

Yeah. Here we go. Oh, mine says mass on it. It's got kitty cats. I got puzzle pieces. Mine says Wednesday, I guess. Hmm. Got a crispy crack to it

it's got gotta be lime something right yeah kind of just feels like uh Is it just lime? Kind of feels like there's something at the end there. It's pretty good. What would you rate it? Or do we need to know what it is first before we rate it? I think we always know what it is before we rate it. So what do we think? I mean, it's like a lime sparkling water.

Yeah. And this is from Canada. Our neighbors to the south. Right. Sap Sucker the Lime One. Organic sparkling tree water. What in the name? Tree water?

We've had maple water before. Sustainably harvest from Canadian maple trees. Of course it was. So maybe that's where it's just a slightly different lime than normal. Okay. Interesting. What was the other? Oh, but it's got sugar in it.

Oh, we do got some calories. Well well it comes from a maple tree there's probably organic maple water organic natural flavor the citric acid i think the citric acid because it kind of almost a little bit remind me of the liquid death aftertaste with the lime and i think that's what that citric acid actually does in there is it gives it a little more so it's pretty good um it actually does in there. It gives it a little more. So it's pretty good. I'm somewhere between a three and a half and a four. Me too.

Just because this one isn't on the same plane. It's playing a different game because there's calories involved all of a sudden. Kind of like Liquid Death and other ones we've had. I'm giving it a three and a half to me. I think I got to do the same.

I still would drink one of these any day of the week, but it is just a slightly different formula. Okay. And then we've got some special candies in here oh hell yeah i don't know if we're good we have to open every every candy but we gotta we gotta eat and every one of these on air people want to hear it all right so should i read the lineup here yeah we have a nestle coffee crisp definitely don't know what those are well we have smarties but these don't look like our smarties no are these some those those are that's definitely not what smarties are uh this is a kit kat but

these are candy coated milk the package is different the kit kat package is different the logo is a little different and then a nestle aero and i don't know what that is either e a e r o uh hmm should we should we dive into one of these yeah uh i feel like i kind of a kit kat formula is probably the same right i don't know maybe that's the trick i'll take a look at the old coffee crisp here this one seems the most like it would be an old person thing yeah it is Coffee Crisp and the label's the least exciting too. I'll try the Kit Kat and see if it'll tell you if it's any different. Hmm. So.

The Coffee Crisp, as a kid, this would be a candy that I'd be very disappointed in because it's not that sweet. Like it's totally acceptable now. And I, and I would eat it. But as a kid, if I got this, I'd have been like,

kind of like if he gave me a Heath bar as a kid, I wouldn't have been that excited for it. Um, but then, yeah, just your, your traditional, like wafer crisp type candy.

The Kit Kat definitely tasted like a Kit Kat. Okay, so no surprise there. No. All right, then I got to find out what the hell this arrow thing's about. These just look like, oh, they're big. Big balls. Little double ball action. Hmm.

Is it caramel filled? No, it's like puffed like i'll try it it kind of looks like it's supposed to be like puffed rice but it's not it's soft on the inside but it's just two it's two balls melted together it's an odd it's an odd shape and then we have this third package it's in a burlap sack i wonder if we have to do a three-legged sack race with this there's a good chance this is a setup from the start i'm also diving into these smarties because our smarties are like powdered sugared pressed pellets when these are it looks kind of like an m&m and it basically is m&m yeah hey siri can you play massonomics our three-year-old son today in the car after screaming for 20 minutes

oh look at these here this was the special surprise portion of the package. Take a little gander at that. Oh, sweet. You have the wolf pack. Mm-hmm. And so what we've got here is some stickers. The crew, you know, our... Our Discord crew.

Our Discord crew, C-R-U. What is the two double dots over there? The umlaut. Umlaut. And then Lift Hard, Live Easy. So there's both the traditional crew. Ah, the black and white and the red and black. Sweet.

All right. This will go in my locker at the gym for sure so there is many extras in here so maybe in our next uh next release all crew members when they order or something we'll get a few pop those in there yeah i have to just exclusively send those to the supporting members so awesome well thanks big thanks, Big Joey. Big Joey. Hooking it up. All the way from Canada. Did the package go through Carol's stream? Do you know?

I don't think it did. Really? Bypassed it. He'll know. I don't know if he's listening. Is he listening live right now? I think he is right there. He probably knows if it did or not.

But I don't think it did. Yeah, the stickers are pretty sweet. We'll pop a few of those around the gym, and then some other lucky crew members are going to get their hands on those. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, what the hell else do we got here? So I do have, as long as we're talking about the discord crew i have some supporting our supporting members so we have this segment it's a relatively new

segment of the podcast where every week we like to give back to those that choose to give to us these people are our supporting members they go on our site sign up uh it's a recurring monthly thing and they get in on our discord where they can listen to the podcast live early every week which they're doing right now uh they get a discount code they get early access to drops they get early uh tip-offs on what's dropping and most of they just get to you know kind of virtually hang out uh with a bunch of people that are into the same sort of stuff. You know, talk shop, make memes with each other. For sure.

It's mostly fun, fun stuff. Mostly. It's all fun. It's all fun. It's not all fun and games around here. Just kidding. It is. First one is Big Kevin.

Big Kevin had a meet this last weekend. Kevin. Big Kevin had a meet this last weekend. He hit a 446 squat PR, a 265 bench, a 507 deadlift, and hit a 1218 meet total. Sweet. And

he met Big Kevin from Live Large. Oh, yeah. So that's what you call a win-win. That's the... Big Kevin's like the little cherry on the top, right? That was the Kevin sandwich right there then. Then Big Colton, somebody take out Big Colton if you're listening, competed in his first strongman competition,

and he competed in the novice class, and I think it sounded like he said he had a lot of fun. So I always say it takes some balls just to eat just to compete especially to do your first one but you've never never done it before maybe it's scary for some people so it's cool to just uh get out there and compete then big justin speaking of another first computer did his first power lifting meet and he had a 402 squat, a two 48 bench and a four 57 deadlift. And the deadlift. Now listen to this was a sub masters state record.

Oh yeah. That's what it's all about. It's sub masters life. There ain't no resent. The only records I care about are sub masters records. As a matter of fact, other ones don't matter. Anyone can lift a lot when they're young and healthy.

It's the Submasters records. That is where it's at. Yes, absolutely. Then we also had a few podcast reviews that I wanted to hit up. We're back to reading podcast reviews. For years, I've had this goal on the podcast that we'll actually get caught up on these that i don't have like a backlog of them and then we forget about them for six months and then the backlog so like right now we're in december of 2021 it's just but chipping away yep first one is from big alex of wisconsin and he says not bad i've been listening

to these guys for a little over a year now and I'm discovering more and more on how okay these guys really are. With them helping me understanding how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use my strength as well as busting my pocket with all these necessary items I keep buying. This is one podcast that I can definitely say deserves two cool beans. Sincerely

Big Alex. Next one's from Big John's Favorite Athlete. Where are the time stamps? would love to give these guys six stars because they are the best lifting podcast about nothing however they refuse to add time stamps so they will have to settle for this five star review that's true no time stamps i guess i'll settle this next one was the longest review i've ever seen so i'm not going to read it all because it is it just goes and yes yeah it's like uh so i kind of thought they'd cut you off after no i guess not and it's from nate nate d great and i'm just going to read how much would fit onto one page of my thing here uh and it's become an independent massonomics uh and then i don't

know but you'll get the feel of it a surefire way to flourish is being your own boss and massonomics uh and then i don't know but you'll get the feel of it a surefire way to flourish is being your own boss and massonomics can help you do it our podcast model was built to empower our advocates and we're here to offer the support you need to become one for as little as free you can listen to the massonomics podcast that has the potential to transform your life career family and lifestyle why? The world is changing. Work habits are reshaping. Podcasts are growing. And wellness has become a hot topic.

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person this sounds very very this sounds like it belongs at a linkedin profile that just goes on and on and on wow that's maybe like a third a fourth of the whole review these might have to update my linkedin profile here yeah five stars though so please you could also leave us a review on apple podcasts we'd love to have you leave one um what do you need to know about leaving a review it's not that hard it's kind of a pain in the ass but it's not that hard yeah you just open up the thing and push the review button and go and type something and then we read it on here and like and then like two years from now we'll read your review you wait patiently and in two years we'll say oh yeah we were doing that and then you'll maybe get lucky yeah and we'll get caught up to yours eventually yep that's all there is to it

or you can just go to spotify and hit the five star button too you don't have to do an or you can do both there we'd like both of those yeah uh should we hit them with a little ad? Do you think they're ready for it? They're probably as ready as they're ever going to be. All right. Well, strap on in. We got a little history lesson. Today's show is brought to you by Texas Power Bars.

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Thank you, Barefoot Shoes. Should we get our guest on the line or try? Let's try it. Should we get our Discord off the line? Oh, actually, that's an even better point. Can't let those sorry sons of guns stick on there any longer. Stick around for even a moment longer. Okay, they're gone. All right.

Enough of those gals anyways. Now we can have some fun. Finally. Now we can let loose. Are you calling yet? I am right now. please leave your message you know it's been it's been at least a month since someone's been having a lot of long calls lately we have been where they uh we're just low on the priority list well picking up the phone i'm i'm quite confident that we will get uh big gabe in this one also i'm curious if he goes prefers gabe

or gabriel because i've seen some of both maybe he doesn't really prefer i was i was wondering the same thing yeah we'll find out. Do you know? I've known some Gabes. I'm not sure. Oh, people that go by Gabe. I don't know if I've ever known anyone that goes by Gabriel, though. I can't. The only Gabe I can think of is Gabe from The Office.

Yeah. The Slender Man. Yep. Yep. Mr. Sabre himself. He said he'll be ready in just a couple minutes. But we don't want to rush him. No.

Well, it's blue shirt night in America, Tanner. Did you see that? I did. You're rocking the band tee. It's band. Do not adjust your screens. That's what it really looks like. And I'm wearing a Mass mass dynamics gmt in blue although i don't think there's really hardly any of these left but

you could get this t in black still one of my favorite to date from our live large collab those are very down there the the sizing's worked out decent that there's still a few sizes left there's hardly any inventory left but there is a chance if you checked it out there might you might be able to grab one in your size and then the pursuit of strength tee from our last release is available also and then of course we've got the drink spotter both one inch always five eighths inch pin sizes always you know even with everything going on it's still there even with everything going on lift shorts one there's good supply of right now lift shorts two which is uh i don't know if this has been discussed but it's kind of they're kind

of phased out at least temporarily do we even have any of those i think there's two pairs of like one size maybe they're mediums okay i'm wearing the lift shorts yeah you are but they are kind of phased out right now i would say yeah they might get retired and we do have most sizes of our lift shorts three available um lift jorts we haven't officially said anything but it sounds like we might might just be restocking those sooner than later we're working on something there and i don't know maybe we probably weren't the first to market on uh lifting related jorts but we kind of like what we got yeah we're also not going to claim that we were the first to no we don't really claim to be the first we don't really

actually claim much honestly no sometimes we don't have to make claims no but really the more claims you make like usually you're wrong whenever you make a claim are you familiar with the with the old uh old saying speak softly and carry a big stick yeah we made that saying that's how i know it we were the first to use that saying actually i know we were the first claiming that i think we were it was the thing is when we were giving a speech one time yeah maybe it was the first podcast we made that saying, maybe that's back in like 2016.

Yeah. Now it's pretty popular. So, um, so not naming any names, but we have had our, uh, collaborative Jorts with born primitive.

You know, we came out with those earlier this year. Yeah. And born primitive came out with them years long before that years before that the uh company that we're collaborating with on those uh has had those along for around for a long time but here's our guest okay let's get him on big gabriel is that you that's me how are you doing excellent uh this Uh, this is Tanner and Tommy's right here. What's up,

Gabriel? Who else is here? Tommy. Hey, Tommy, what's going on, man? Just ready for this podcast.

Yeah. Uh, yeah, it has been a long time in the makes, hasn't it? Yeah. We're excited to get you on. And first of all,

do you prefer Gabriel or Gabe? Because we've kind of seen some of both before out there. Oh, it doesn't matter which either. I, I, Gabe is easy. Gabe works for me. Gabe it is. No, we are excited to get you on. We've been looking forward to it for a while.

You've been out there competing and really over the last few years you've kind of gotten your hat in the ring and a lot of these biggest strongman shows that are out there. You know, you've been out there lifting for longer than that, obviously, but it seems like over the last couple of years, you've really been, you know,

getting your chance at the very top, highest level now. Yeah, I've always had my eyes set on the very top. So it feels really good to finally have those goals actualized in a way and really be gunning for that ultimate goal of becoming the world's strongest man. That's the second ultimate goal. Number one was to get on the Mastodonomics podcast, we're assuming. Yes, of course.

Yeah. Of course. But that should have been known already. Yeah. And other tidbits about you've done some really impressive, obviously you're a very all-around impressive strongman, but you've done some really cool stuff specifically with the deadlift and some deadlift variations over the last several years.

Yeah, deadlift is my jam. Any bar, any height, you give it to me and I'm going to take it for a spin. It's my favorite of all lifts. Yeah, and then we want to talk more about all that. And then also, you know, you have been a gym owner owner, I think just recently going through a transition there, right? Yeah. I'm actually closing down my gym that I've owned for the past eight years. And I'm going to be, uh, moving on to something a little bit more personal, something that allows me, uh, the focus that I need to really

actualize the big goals that I have in mind for myself.. I'm armed with a lot of good memories, but it's time to take that next step. You are a Texas Titan, Gabe. What part of Texas are you in? Where's the gym? I live in Edinburgh, Texas. It's in the Rio Grande Valley. We're about as far south as you can go. You can ride your bike to the Mexican border if you wanted to. Okay, cool. as far south as you can go you can ride your bike to the mixed in border if you wanted to okay cool okay so we do uh we're in south dakota so a little bit farther north than you okay if you really wanted a little bit if you really wanted to you could ride your bike to the north dakota it would kind of be a long bike ride but if you're really into biking you can do that it's doable

yeah yeah i don't think that fits my cardio regimen. Especially you wouldn't want to do it in like, I don't know, December. Like seven months of the year. If you pick the perfect week in June, you could ride your bike to the Canadian border. You'd maybe get lucky and the wind would be behind you too. It seems like a very narrow window of opportunity. Yes. So we do own a gym here. We have for about six or seven years, but it, you know, I always like preface that,

that it is kind of like just a club gym sort of thing. It's not never really, um, it's not like a financial profit center for us or our business. You know, it, it works out, it pays for itself and it's pretty low, low maintenance, relatively speaking. And, um, so it's not necessarily an apples to apples when we talk to a lot of other people on here that own gyms and it's more a part of their their life but um what uh what uh did kind of lead to your your change there to move away from that and taking your next steps of what you're doing now yeah well i i took the gym over from some really great

people back in 2015 and it was before my ownership of a CrossFit gym. So it was a class setting, you know, very, you know, six to eight classes throughout the day, group training sessions. When I took it over, I brought a little more strongman flavor to it. And then COVID hit in 2020. And with those lockdowns, the whole class training dynamic kind of fizzled out. And that was a lot of the essence of what, you know, kept the lifeblood pumping in the gym from a financial standpoint. So it started to become very stressful to try to hold on to something that wasn't necessarily

there anymore and had to work really hard outside of the gym and my other job as an online coach just to keep it afloat. And that was fine and everything, you know, I needed a training spot. online coach just to keep it afloat and that was fine and everything you know i needed a training spot my my athletes needed a training spot so i was okay doing it for a little while but this year i had a lot of opportunities you know knocking on my door whether it was world's strongest man the shaw classic giants live i really wanted to hanker down and focus on them to the full extent of my ability and some of the stresses and trying to keep alphaFit afloat were kind of hindering my ability to do so. And that was kind of where I wanted to draw the line in the sand. Like I didn't originally set out down this path to become a coach or a gym owner. I set out down this path to become the

world's strongest man. So when it starts taking away from that ultimate goal, that's where I got to really keep the important things in focus. And that led me to wanting to close down and I know it's a good move I'm already feeling a little bit of the relief that I wanted to be feeling but I'm still right in the initial phase of physically moving it out so there's a lot of manual labor at play right now and it looks cool we're following along on Instagram and everything where you're just like even beginning to clear space in your uh your I assume it's like the backyard of the home that you live at in this backyard of my house yeah and that's uh to me that's like some exciting uh opportunity of what that could look like and what you know that could shape into and like just the possibilities there oh absolutely I'm hearing it as a blank canvas you. I've got all these ideas in my head,

and there's quite a few different ideas too, but I like having that blank template to kind of see the vision come to real life. Yeah, and you know, you've been out, seen like on Brian Shaw's YouTube channel, for example, that you've been out there training with him, and has some of that, or being around him, like some of that, has that inspired you to kind of move towards what you're

doing now too? Like, does that, is that part of it at all or not really? Absolutely. It definitely played a big role on, you know, getting to train with Brian and it being a very closed door setting, you know, there weren't distractions of other people people it was just the workload that we both had all the times i trained with him we were you know in prep for world's strongest man and so it was like that kind of shared vision of what we're aiming for it was we were very calibrated very focused and the work was just ideal it was totally optimal and that that could only happen in an environment where it's truly about you. And I think that really kind of inspired me in a way that I wanted to realign my focus more to myself. And I'm glad I found that because, you know, I think of a lot of the other guys I compete against, you know, Brian being one of them or, you know, Alexey Novikov on the other side of the world. I mean, the guy who wins the championship is going to be the one who got to make the most out of their training. And that's what I want to be able to do is make every training session count

100%. Yeah, for sure. That makes sense. And just thinking here for anyone that's maybe listening and isn't as familiar with you as, as maybe we are to put it in perspective of how strong you are. Um, what, uh, are even just looking specifically at the deadlift what are a few of your most favorite uh deadlift lifts that you've had either you know in training or in competition well let's see my uh the big one was pulling a thousand pounds for the first time in contest and that was at last year's world deadlift championships in manchester for giants live i pulled a thousand pounds from a full arena filled with thousands of people and it was just one of the most electrifying experiences of my life and then later on last year in october i got

the 18 inch axle deadlift world record at a static monsters contest and that was 1100 pounds or 500 kilograms and i think to this day, those two are my top two favorite deadlifts. I had a really fun time at the Shaw Classic this last August. Alexey Novikov and I got to go head-to-head for the Hummer Tire deadlift world record, and all the other

guys dropped off at about 1,100 pounds. Alexey and I both went on to 1,150 and then attempted the world record at 1,210. I got to my knees, but I couldn't quite lock it out50 and then attempted the world record at 12.10. I got to my knees, but I couldn't quite lock it out, and then Novikov pulled it. But going head-to-head with him, to kind of feel what that world record was

and to hear the eruption of the crowd, that was another really fond memory of a deadlift that I didn't quite finish, but it's up there in my top three. Had you gotten the opportunity to practice at all? Does the Hummer tire deadlift, does it feel, uh, noticeably different to some of the other variations that you've practiced with or like, did it throw you off or did you feel comfortable with that right away? It's such a unique bar. And a lot of my, my deadlifting ability, I credit to my, uh, training so many various different types of deadlift. So I tried to prep in the best way that I could. I bought some deadlift bar extensions from Madewell Strength that made my bar a little

bit longer. It made it effective to train, but that Hummer Tire deadlift bar, Brian is one of the only ones with that specific bar. It's maybe like 1.5 inches. So think of not quite an axle, but much thicker than a barbell. You grab it and you wouldn't think it would bend, but when you start putting four tires on each side, that bar really starts to flex. And when you have all that mass pulling on it, there's just so many dynamics at play. Like you'll get that bar wanting to come off the ground and it feels glued to it. But once that tire breaks free, the thing starts wobbling back and forth. And I know my words don't really do justice to the experience of pulling it, but it is such a unique bar that I feel unless you had that exact specific bar

that Brian is one of the only ones that has, you're going to have to train a very different amount of deadlifts to kind of replicate that feeling from all angles. But the only two times I've ever pulled on that bar is in the Shaw Classic, both this recent one and in 2021 well is there is there any other competitions that have that anymore or is the shot classic the only place doing it i think it might be just the shot classic at this point and i want to say that brian is throwing it in there as an homage to when like the arnold classic would

feature right the the hummer tire deluxe i have a really cool memory in my mind of Zydrunas Zivica pulling the world record at the time. I think I even had that as my best top background for quite a while in my up and coming in the strongman career. And now you got to compete with him. Yeah and that was a profound feeling of himself. I mean, the guy is

arguably one of the greatest of all times and he, you know, sharing warm up spaces spaces having conversations with him that world's strongest man just to be a fellow competitor among him that was a really cool experience i'm forever going to cherish yeah that's really cool you talked about you know you and uh alexa were the last two left in the hummer tire deadlift um you know i guess you two have probably got to be like in the shot classic for example had to have been two of the lighter people there right i i what definitely what what do you weigh uh

typically like at a show date like something like that i'll typically fluctuate between 310 and 320 very rarely will i go in above 320 um 320 pounds i just feel like every pound that I pushed past 320, I started really feeling a loss in quality of life, like harder to tie my shoes, heavy breathing, sleep apnea. I just feel like my comfort zone is between three 10 and three 20. Yeah, I can believe that. Um, it's just interesting. It's an interesting thought that, uh, cause I assume Alexei's – I don't know if he's similar weight or if he's 300 or what he comes in at, but at least on that day, the two best deadlifters out of all the giants there

were not that much over 300. So I don't know. It's just an interesting thought to me. I agree. I never liked to succumb to what other people people say that you need to have mass to move mass. And of course that's true to an extent, but I think there's a lot more valuable things out there, like being comfortable in the movements that you do and not struggling just to get

down into a barbell position, things like that. So I never want to be that guy who's like i need to add all this weight to my body for the sake of pushing these big numbers i'm pretty sure i can do it without that extra weight but it's just about finding that happy goldilocks zone if you will yep the just right zone yeah and for me that's that's 310 320 okay i love it okay that's cool you've got uh titan talk which is, your podcast and I've haven't listened to all of them. I listened to some of them and I do think it's really interesting. Um, specifically, you know, you've got, I don't really know what your background is,

but you've got like an interest in some, uh, pretty specific topics, including, uh, some pretty specific topics, including space, NASA programs, stuff like that. What is your background prior to Strongman or work-wise or anything like that prior to maybe you taking Strongman as seriously as you are now? Or has that, in most of your adult life, has that been your main thing? Well, so throughout all my childhood and, of course, early education, I was always a science nerd. And even through college, I went to school with an interest in getting a major in biology and a minor in chemistry.

I really love the sciences, especially the living sciences. And even more so, I love space. I never went to school for anything space-related, but the subject has always fascinated me immensely. And just kind of like that level of unknown out there, that's just bigger than we could ever imagine. But a lot of my background in science and my coursework in college kind of paved the way for my deeper understanding of the anatomy and physiology at play, especially in the realm of strength training and how to add strength to my body.

So that passion for science really came to be invaluable in that pursuit. But fast forward to now, especially with Titan Talk, a lot of my inspiration for my podcast as well, I always love listening to Star Talk by Neil deGrasse Tyson. It's one of my favorite podcasts. And that kind of played off that name a little bit. You can see it in the name titan talk but i i really love the way uh neil degrasse tyson kind of kindled the idea of just getting people to talk about space or learning some more um less than commonly known facts about it and my thought was like i have a microphone some people are listening if i can even just spark that conversation then then we might not be having phrases leave our mouths like we haven't been to the moon in 50 years,

so to speak. So I like talking about it. I like getting people talking about it. And I'm just a nerd for it. And my passion for being a nerd has really driven me upwards through a lot of my strength career. And I will never lose an appreciation for that. Are you a movie watcher much at all by chance? I am a movie watcher, yeah. What do you have in mind? We've got a little game for you.

Oh gosh, what did I get into? We want you to rank these four space movies from worst to best and I'll list them to you in no particular order. Maybe you haven't seen them all. There's a good chance you've seen most of them though. Armageddon,

Gravity, Apollo 13, and Martian. From worst to best. Let's see. I'm going to have to say armageddon apollo 13 gravity and martian okay was that the order that you listed them in you that was right you switched uh apollo 13 and gravity i think okay gotcha gotcha well yeah i would put the martian first just because i feel like it's

it's the most recent and most applicable to our current pursuits but all pretty good movies i uh yeah that's that's the word i'm gonna put them in okay that's good was the martian i mean um it's been a little while since i've seen it uh and you obviously probably are much more into it than i am but was it fairly because it was that took place in the future or was i can't remember what the it took place in the near future yeah like is that somewhere we could be to not that like do you feel like it was scientifically relatively accurate for what we could be in the near future i do i feel like the science was sound and a lot of those concepts in there where they really painted the picture of some of the the

real struggles that we would face in establishing some sort of colony or presence there on mars so i think it's really cool to kind of talk about those things too because within the next decade i mean there's plans to have humanity return tomorrow. So a lot of those things like Matt Damon planting potatoes in his own feces just to get them to grow. I mean, that's things that might have to happen, but very real solutions to problems up there. And who hasn't been there

before? Yeah, right. Rock bottom. Yeah. Okay. How about Star Wars or Star Trek oh Star Wars I know there's going to be some heated ones out there but yeah my wife and I are big Star Wars people

to me I don't see how it's even a debate that Star Wars is so much better to me than Star Trek but I know that I'm not a Trekkie so I guess it's not fair for me to down talk them yeah kind of viewing the world through our own lens right but I uh I think the empire of Disney is really triggering to a lot of new growth for Star Wars now too it's pretty cool for fans to latch on to ever uh an ever-growing supply of new stuff well then they can just make stuff with such good production. It's just endless.

Yeah. Like unlimited potential, right? It's literally a world of, uh, unlimited potential that they can keep tapping into. I know. And it's,

it's got all of us fans just munching at the bits. Do you watch all of the, um, you know, the 10 episode shows or whatever, you know, the, I haven't watched any of the like real new ones.

The last one I finished was the Mandalorian, but yeah, uh, whenever I get a chance to start cranking away at it. And I guess whenever I renew a Disney plus membership, I'll check them out. Uh, you know,

all these streaming services, they pile up. It gets crazy. Like you, you could have seven of them and it wouldn't be, you could have seven and you might be average. Yeah. It gets out of control sometimes.

What really gets me is if I go to... We have some version of Hulu, but there's multiple levels to these things and I'm like, I don't know, I want to watch Happy Gilmore for example. I go and it's like, oh yeah, it's on Hulu. It's like, no, you need the ultra hulu

i have a version of hulu i pay like 70 bucks a month for it and i still regularly click the thing and it goes you're not allowed that on your version of hulu i'm like i don't think there's a bigger version so guys this used to be so much simpler did it not yeah can we go back to only netflix yeah but hey you know it's the universe at our fingertips right that's true it is the on-demand lifestyle yep so titan talk where do you um do you have goals for that or a vision for that uh i don't i thought maybe you have uh about 20 episodes out or something like that that i saw. And what do you see? Do you like to have guests on?

Or I saw, I listened to a couple of solo episodes. Yeah. So I'm kind of using this first season of Titan talk to find my bearings and, and really, you know, through experience, seeing what directions I want to take. And it's been a great experience so far.

My initial inspiration to get this podcast started was appearing on brian show's podcast his shot string podcast and getting to uh kind of get that feedback from listeners and know that my voice was received in so many places and appreciated it it was a very enjoyable medium for me to get out there more enjoyable than like you know short choppy reels or YouTube videos. I really, really enjoyed it, but I like having guests on. My goal is to have really fascinating guests continuously through the show, whether they're from the realm of strength, the realm of space, or any interesting things in between. I like to say powerful talks with people using their strength to

influence the world around them in a positive way. So I love having guests on, but I've also found that people enjoy my solo episodes too. And that's kind of a very personal way for me to share no unbiased or no filtered insight other than just myself. And I think the fans really enjoy that. So I'm kind of just getting my feelers out there with this first season, seeing what's received.

Well, it's not seeing how I like to get things together. I don't have any sort of production team. So it's like literally just me, all the editing, all the recording. And it's been a nice learning experience along the way, but the difference from episode one to episode 12,

where I'm at right now is I like to think I've learned a lot and I've got some pretty big plans for capping off this season and starting off the next one in 2022 or 2023 we can speak from experience um this is our 340th episode and uh if we go back and listen to some of the first ones it feels like wow if we go back and even listen a couple years ago yeah it's a it's a bit cringy. Yeah, it just really evolves over a period of time. I like all those other older ones existing, and it's just that way you can literally watch and see the changes over time. But even like you said, you do get surprised

what resonates with people, like something that you think isn't much, and people latch onto that and like it. And you don't know about that until you do it and put it out there. Exactly, and that's why I was not, I didn't want to keep putting it off. You know, I wanted to dive in,

just immerse myself in the learning process. And it's been really fun, but definitely those first episodes were a bit rocky. But I think the fans like to kind of be able to go back to that as well and see the growth from A to B and all the miles traveled. Yeah, yeah for sure i was thinking one other thing about the deadlift that i was meant to ask and forgot about um we had talked about this with i think uh someone else recently i don't know if it's bobby thompson or who it was but uh you being a particularly proficient or particularly good at

deadlifting um kind of wondering where you think your ceiling could really be on that. And there's a couple of ways to approach that thought too, I think, because you are also balancing being as good of a strong man as you can possibly be. And sometimes maybe deadlifting the most amount of weight possible isn't always perfectly in line with being the best strong man possible. So just wondering, A, if you think that that's correct or maybe you don't see them in opposition to each other at all.

And B, where could you get your deadlift in a perfect scenario? How high do you think you could see that going? Right. So for point A, I really feel like it's hard to find that balance, but I don't think it's impossible. For a strongman there's this kind of like a mantra like you big backs when shows you need your back strength for everything and if you are training yourself to have an ultimate level deadlift that's going to play

well into your strongman uh strengths as well the challenge that i found for myself personally is in the pursuit of also trying to be a well-rounded strongman comes the potential for consequences of injury from all those other lifts. Like if I'm training log press or circus dumbbell or a car squat, for example, if anything negative comes out of those, well, then it's going to hinder my deadlift performance and my progress too. So I don't think it's impossible, but I do think it's a very fine line that has to be walked. And when we're talking about going for things like a deadlift world record, which to answer point B, that's where I fully intend on taking it. But when we talk about that pursuit, there is this level of uncharted territory where like no one's done this before. So there's not like this blueprint to follow on how you walk that line effectively at being a good strongman and a good deadlifter or a great strongman and a great deadlifter. But

I do fully intend to take my deadlifting ability to the very top and the very top being the world record. It may not be this next year or the year after, but I'm going to give it my all in that pursuit. And I don't see any reason why I can't. I think with what I've done so far, that has just reaffirmed every notion in my mind that I have what it takes to be one of the best deadlifters of all time. I think I've already written my name in the pages of history books in a couple of ways, but I want the big one.

I want the big ultimate barbell deadlift for record. It doesn't get much better than that. It doesn't. And, uh, it's, it's, you know,

that, that is right up there with winning world strongest man. I can't say I want one more than the other. They really do seem to be on a level platform. So with that amount of balance, I'm going to really try to walk that line effectively. And I think I'm armed with a lot of experience from just these last two recent years and balancing my strongman pursuits and trying to train for world record attempt deadlifts

yeah for sure okay we've got we've already played one game we've got a second game for you all right uh this week this one we've we don't always make everyone rate their favorite uh space movies but we do play this one with everyone so this is overrated underrated and we have a special Gabe Pena set of topics that we hand picked for you got me excited

so we'll fire these over to you and it's just your job to determine if each one's overrated or underrated and you have your druthers to elaborate as much or as little on each one as you'd like to. You just have to remember that you can't ride the line.

You do ultimately have to decide if each one's overrated or underrated. Got it. The rules are not that complicated. The trick is in the topics here. Overrated or underrated, um,

drone racing. Ooh, drone racing is so underrated. I love it. I got hooked on it and I've only been, I haven't even officially done a drone race yet, but I put a lot of time in a fly simulator and I'm just waiting to be on leash into the drone racing realm.

I feel like I need a little bit more practice, maybe a a drone racing sponsor but it's definitely underrated and i love it so do you okay so when you say you've done like are you talking like on the computer you have a simulator that you do yeah i have a simulator on the computer that i plug in my drone controller too and it uh it simulates the racing so i don't have the consequence of crashing a thousand plus dollar aircraft yeah but uh yeah a lot of practice hours that makes i didn't know you could actually like plug the controller in and like simulate that makes sense that that does make oh it's so cool and then for a lot of these drones like the last thing you want to do is just unbox it and take it straight to the sky it's like these things you need to practice this fly simulator you're going to have a real bad return

on your investment. So like what are some of the speeds, like the top speed you'll see out of some of the racing drones? I have one drone right now that's pretty high power and that can get up to about 105 miles an hour. But some of these drones, yeah, yeah. Some of these drones and the racing things, they can get even

closer to the 200 mile an hour. Oh, really? It's insane, man man the first time i unleashed that that powerful drone that i have i mean taking it that fast it's it doesn't feel fair to have that level of power at your fingertips sometimes but it's exhilarating i loved it yeah i feel like the world of drones is something that even when i was in high school if you had told me like this exists now i'd be like no that's made up that's not possible right and it's pretty crazy what see what they've done, especially over the last several years. The little kid in me just goes nuts. Like I could never have thought that we would have this level of access to the skies, you know,

but it's great. And what is there? What are the regulations like at a certain at a certain level of drone? Do you have to have like, I don't know you know like faa uh right yeah so all all drones you know most most of them if they're above 250 grams which is not a lot of weight you have to be registered with the faa so i actually have a license that i had to get i had to take uh some tests to pass it. And I have to carry that license with me whenever I'm operating my drone. And if I wanted to operate it commercially and actually make any sort of money off of it, I need to have another license, which I plan on getting in the

coming months. But I think there's another level of requirement if your drone gets above 55 pounds. So if it's between 250, 250 grams and 55 pounds, you if it's between 250 grams and 55 pounds, you're set with a basic clearance and certification, but anything over that is some serious weight. And that's what it is. If you have something going 200 miles an hour and it weighs 55 pounds, that can cause some serious destruction.

Yeah, for sure. Legitimately. That's like an airplane. Right. Yeah. So that's why you got to have these licenses and stuff. Yeah, that makes sense. I work in like production agriculture and drones are starting to slowly become like have more real life.

You know, it's been like for like 10 years, it's been like on the fringe of having real uses. And it's starting to finally get to the point where they're actually figuring out uses where they can do like spot spraying in fields um but i mean the they're huge they're like our aircrafts now it's not like uh you know this is it's just it's starting to be shocking to me like how big these actually are and um there should be probably some regulation and there's no one in it right yeah i know it's just it's kind of wild yeah it's we're in the future it's really cool yeah yeah okay that is cool okay overrated or underrated the shaw classic the shaw classic is underrated it is severely paving the way for what strongman events should be

every at every turn the athlete is treated like they come first the fans love it and feed off the energy i mean i i hope everyone gets to at some point experience what it's like to be in that arena at the shaw classic because it just does that's that has been the most fun competition I've done to date. I'll stand behind that statement. Let me ask you this. Where does it rank in all the competitions now? I guess the big ones being World's Strongest Man, the Arnold Shaw Classic, Giants Live, and the Rogue Invitational. I guess those five.

I mean, you would put it in the group with those five then, I'm assuming. Absolutely. I would consider it in the realm of the top competitions in the world. I feel like there's going to be a point and each competition is different in a way. I mean, World's Strongest Man is the

ultimate title, right? But it's also an elaborate TV show. Out of the almost two weeks that we're there, we're only competing for four to five days. There's only a few hours each day. There's a lot of waiting time and media time in between versus the Shaw Classic, Giants Live. They're both, they're all very quick. They hit hard and they hit fast. But I would rank it among the top level contests. And I think at some point, I think because unless World's Strongest Man can get on the whole live streaming realm

and not have to make their fans wait so long to see the experience, I think the Shaw Classic is going to top it out. I really do. Yeah, that would be... But the cool thing about rogue is that uh you know they they play such a heavy role at the arnold and of course the rogue invitational is rogue has grown the sport of strongman so so well and they have a lot of money at their disposal too and to be able to put that level of financial commitment into the contest that also really

really pays it forward with growing it in a way that is conducive to the athletes coming back and really wanting to be there for sure and um your performance you know we talked about the shaw classic that you did very well second place on the deadlift i think you also had a really good stone run yeah i loved that was my best stone run to date i want to say i think i was one of only four or five guys on the roster to finish it okay and then maybe did you battle some uh lower body injury that hurt you maybe a little bit on like the leg press event and some of the yeah yeah so i think it was uh three weeks prior to the shock classic

i had popped a hip adductor. And we had a car leg press that we were all training for. The thing is that a lot of us, unless we have a big gym with big equipment at our disposal, we didn't necessarily have leg presses to train on. So I think until I got the events for the Shock Classic, the last time I had trained leg press was about six or seven years ago. So when you go into training like 200 or 2000 pounds on a leg press and you haven't done it in a while, there's kind of like that adaptation curve, like being ready for the sheer load.

And I don't think my hips were ready for it. So three weeks out of the Shaw, I popped a muscle in my leg and that really slowed me down on some things, you know, and I was ultimately unable to leg press the car. It was just, I mean, it's a car, it was an SUV, no less. So all the guys who did do it,

I got to talk to them after and, you know, really hear their testimonials to it. They said it was the heaviest thing they've ever done. So definitely something you want to have all of your hip muscles attached for. It would help. Yeah.

It can't hurt. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. But man, that looks so cool though. It was such a cool looking event. It did really look cool. Okay.

Overrated or underrated long hair for men? Who? And not to influence your decision here, but Tommy has the longest hair out of the three of us. It's fairly long. Yeah, and I also kind of have long hair myself, so you're talking to a couple fellow long-haired gentlemen. Yeah, so we are the brotherhood of long locks. But I'm still going to have to say overrated.

I'm getting to a point in my life where the comfort aspect is, it's really started to, uh, dwarf the, uh, how cool it looks in deadlift pictures aspect. That's about the only thing it has going for it right now. I haven't gotten to the point where I'm chopping it up off yet,

but it is going to come in the future. So I am going to say long hair is overrated. It's just comfort and functionality, at least a texas boy is not there it it is the maintenance thing though like there's a lot of extra steps with oh don't get me wrong it gives me hair and that's there's there's work that goes into it it gives me such a deep appreciation for the individuals both men and women who put a lot of time into caring for their hair, because that is some work. It really is. Yeah. Just keeping it not tangled.

You know something that like, so I'm about three years into, you know, not having a haircut and something that it's getting to a point now that I keep, it's starting to notice it more and more is just my sleeping at night that like, Oh, I have to have it like, Oh, like mine. Yeah. Mine. I have to lay down and I have to hold it up and get it back because mine goes all the way under my back so if i move it it pulls my head back i'm stuck

on my hair yeah that's the most awful way to wake up when you're getting clothes lined by your own hair yeah yeah yeah i know that struggle but i've gotten to the point too where especially during the summer when it's hot like i have to sleep with my hair in a ponytail and then if i'm tossing and turning that hair tie is ripping off like hair from the sides of my head and i've got all these different lengths hair now that i look like a crazy scientist sometimes it's just getting to that point guys i mean i'm gonna have to say farewell but i think i kind of put like a little joke out on my instagram the other day that's saying that i cut it off and i just put a picture of some chopped hair on the floor. It is amazing how many

messages I got in that short amount of time of people who were just freaking out. The internet is going to have much more of a problem with me cutting my hair than I am. People do latch onto it as it being like a signature thing though. And then they do really feel like it's a part of, you know, a part of who you are and what you do going forward i know and i'm like how dare you have the audacity to tell me that my strength is linked to my hair it's not even alive it's dead skin cells guys come on uh hair is another we've said this a lot of times before when i have short hair i don't i don't really notice these hairs falling out of my head when When your hair becomes two foot long, you notice all these strands of hair laying around on things.

Hair is something that's really nice when it's clean and on your head. The second it's not on your head, it's gross. It gets so gross. That one strand of hair, the second it's no longer attached, is like, oh, this is suddenly disgusting. Yeah, or at the bottom of the shower. It's like, how did all this come off my head and i still have no missing spots how am i not totally bald like at the end of every

the struggle is real yeah okay overrated or underrated let's see here deadlift suits deadlift suits are overrated i i get the appeal that it increases the spectacle and the most weight that you can lift. And that's really unfathomable numbers and the only way you're going to get it compared to raw lifting is by putting on this uh exoskeleton of a suit but it takes away from the purity of the lift i think it's just so cool to know that the body lifts the weight on its own without having this constrictive force around you and maybe it's the whole going down to the bar and not just being able to bend over and strap in or pull and kind of having to hold your breath and really go through the cinching and the scooting. I don't know.

I think it just kind of complicates things and takes away from the purity of the lift. So I'm going to say overrated, but that doesn't take away from me using them when they're allowed, because if the other guys get to use it as an advantage and I'm going to use it too. And that being said, the ultimate deadlift record is going to be a suited pool. So I can't neglect it. Yup.

Absolutely. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but you're going to, yeah. Yeah. It'd be, it'd be tough to stand by while everyone else is using it and say, no,

I'm above that. You know, like I'm not using it and I know i'm above that you know like i'm not using it i know i'm a competitor i'm also going to use that yeah and the truth at the end of the day also is that the suit doesn't lift the weight by itself it's nothing without the body underneath so there is that but i will say uh especially for all those lifters out there who are too spoiled by their suits and want to train with it every damn session it's overrated yeah let's get back to the raw lifting okay last topic here we we wanted to go space related for sure and all right i love it what was your suggestion on this one you had uh

what the hell did i say now was it the oh i well i know well are we going with mine or yeah oh i thought yours was good okay mine, mine was the new telescope. The James Webb. James Webb, there you go. Yeah, so over under James Webb. It's so underrated. I mean, this $10 billion camera that we now have in the skies is taking pictures of parts of the universe that we couldn't previously see.

And it seems kind of like, well can this camera like be that important but when you think of trying to figure out the the unanswered questions out there like how did we get here how did the universe begin we kind of have to look as far back in time as we can and you think of all these distant stars and galaxies the light that we're seeing is light that they produced X amounts of light years ago. Like the furthest we can go back, what is that? I think it's like 14 billion years or something. The most faintest stars that we can see are from that very beginning point in time. And if we have an instrument that can kind of image these things that we couldn't previously see with the Hubble or any of the other telescopes,

we might find some answers there. We might be able to find planets that could house us. We might be able to find more answers to the mysteries of black holes. We might be able to find how to interdimensionally travel. I think having capable instruments out there to peer into the distances that were previously unknown is invaluable. And that's what the James Webb is doing. And I'm really geeking out all these images that they keep releasing and i love that it's instantly in the public domain too but have you guys gone to check out any of these pictures i've just seen some of the bigger ones that pop up in the news and i mean they are super impressive for

sure yeah and i mean i encourage you to look at some of the ones that the telescope is taking of even the planets in our own solar system, like new looks of Jupiter and Neptune that the telescope runs on infrared imaging. So it's not like what our eyes see. It's light've seen before or things that we haven't seen at all. And it's truly fascinating. I think that there's so many unanswered things out there. The more tools we have at our disposal to kind of seek out these answers is just how we advance as a species. What do you say if someone says, I don't believe man ever landed on the moon, that that was done in a studio? That's a conspiracy theory. Oh, I'm,

you know, I'm still trying to develop the communication skills to rationalize with that because right now my immediate response is just like, ha ha, you're not, you're not worth my time. Let me move on. That's a response in itself though.

Yeah, that's I guess so, but it's not the one that encourages the person to, to kind of see the light. So I need to kind of do a little bit more character development for myself on that. Maybe work on my patience a bit. Yeah. It's when, when will man be like, will man be on the moon in a year or how much longer is it going to be then

until that happens? Do you think. It's set to happen next year. I mean, the first phase of us getting back to the moon was Artemis I. And it was supposed to launch three weeks ago. And then it was supposed to relaunch again last week. But then the hurricane hit. So if that rocket can ever go up, that'll be the first phase of establishing a longer presence there on the moon. And then at some point in spring or summer next year we'll have people actually in the rocket going to land on the moon so it's going to happen again but i think it's crazy that here

we are in 2022 looking back and it's been 50 whole years since we last had a man on the moon and for our nearest cosmic neighbor to be sitting there without any anyone on it for this long i feel like it's a it's a tragedy in a lot of ways but i'm optimistic about the future it is do you think people would be up there exploiting resources by now or something exactly you know yeah i'm surprised they haven't polluting yeah what's also kind of crazy is that how russia and china have started to have more of an interest in the moon and that's all it took for the u.s to start pumping up their efforts more is like we can't do it on our own initiative but when we know that there's going to be a power struggle

with our enemies all right now we're that's the only motivating factor for everyone is that i we don't want someone else to do it yeah well, well, that's what got us there in the first place, right? Yeah. So I'm excited that we're going to go back, and I'm optimistic that these rockets will take off. But we're in a really, really cool time right now to where the possibilities of space exploration, not just for astronauts, but civilians in the future too,

all that is being paved right now, and it's incredible. So let's say it's 10 years from now, and space travels, whatever that may be, going into orbit or going to the moon, whatever that might be, it's somewhat affordable. You're offered the opportunity to go for free. Are you taking it? 100%. Okay. I've already made it very clear that if anyone out there wants me to lift in space for the name of science please

I will jump on that opportunity in a heartbeat but yeah what's the moon how much could you lift how much could you deadlift on the moon oh man I've always wanted this exact number but I haven't done the calculation

I know it's I know it's going i i know it's going to be somewhere around like the 10 000 that's what i was going to say it'd be like 10 000 pounds i think right yeah yeah that'd be a ton like i don't know what the bar is that you get to even really load that kind of weight i don't know either but i know uh it'd be pretty cool snatching my current max with ease or curling it for no less. The problematic part, I think, is getting the 10,000, like rocketing the 10,000 extra pounds of payload to the moon. That's the expensive part.

Just to do the deadlift. They're going to have to make like the 10,000 pounds. A bar of moon rocks. Yeah, they're going to have to be the part of the vessel or something like that. But let's not forget, the hardest part about deadlifting on the moon is going to be doing be the part of the, the, uh, vessel or something. Yeah. Something like that. But let's not forget the hardest part about that. Lifting on the moon is going to be doing it in a space suit. I can, I know how hard it is to get it down to the barn and deadlift suit,

but a space suit. Well, I think, uh, I think we have a project for NASA in the works there and I'm their guy, but that's going to blow hitting a golf ball out of the water. You know, deadlift on the moon is going to look way cooler than hitting a golf ball out of the water you know dead left on the moon is gonna look way cooler than hitting a golf ball oh man it would be so cool if like somehow the the moon surface just

cracked beneath me as i did it i've got this epic picture in my mind yeah uh that's exciting stuff yeah i wanted to say a name and see if you know who this is or not. Jack Horkheimer. Jack Horkheimer. I don't think I'm familiar. Okay, Jack Horkheimer is, Tommy and I were showing Tommy before we called you tonight. I wasn't familiar with the name either.

Please, sometime when you get the chance, look up Jack Horkheimer Stargazer on YouTube. And this goes for anyone listening. If you're interested in, in, uh, anything space, uh, cosmos related,

it was, uh, I think a PBS broadcasted show in like, I don't know how many years it ran. I would say like eighties, maybe early nineties. And it's definitely, I think it's actually good informative content, but it is so budget. And, uh, just, it's definitely I think it's actually good informative content but it

is so budget and just it's like it's very of the era PBS it's absolutely what memes are made of like it's it's I think you would probably enjoy it though so check out Jack Horkheimer Stargazer

and I'm gonna have to check it out yeah you really think I'll be able to last the whole thing? I think you'll probably straight up like it. To tell you the honest truth. I think you'll be like, this is really cheesy. It just has a lot of 80s space special effects going on. Right, right. And he walks out around the rings of Saturn or something like that.

It's funny. But I think you'll probably actually like it, to tell you the truth. I'll check it out. I'll check it out. I definitely enjoyed the Cosmos series that was put out a couple years ago. I feel like everyone should watch that

just for knowing our place in the universe, but that's their initiative. And what about, we've talked about this actually with other people on the podcast, but the thought of, are you fairly certain that somewhere out there there is life existing outside of what we know on planet Earth? There has to be.

Right. from a probability standpoint to know that those very rare circumstances happened here on earth to allow life to exist it just has to be able to replicate itself elsewhere and whether it's the same forces that you know triggered us happening here or different forces but it's it seems to be an infinitely expanding place and in this crazy expanse there has to be life out there too. So I know it's out there. It's just how far do we have to look? Because our ability to look far is still very limited. But we have been pumping a lot of noise out there into the universe for quite a long time. Especially since the Industrial Revolution, Earth has been making noise.

So I'm optimistic that at some point, some sort of interdimensional or intergalactic traveler is going to hear that noise and we'll get some more answers down that front. Hopefully they won't be here to eradicate us. Or we'll just find like, we'll be like looking at the telescope and see like, oh man, is that guy lifting weights on some tiny little planet? Their technique is awful. Like,

oh my God, they pull sumo there? We have to save them. They're a lost cause. Yeah, they probably saw us doing that, and that's why they haven't made contact with us. They think the sumo convention are the same lift. They haven't hit that realization yet they're still allowing that to go on

how ancient and that's how we missed our shot at learning how to travel through space pulling sumo I like that idea you work with you're sponsored by Barefoot Shoes, I think, right? Yeah, I'm one of Barefoot Shoes athletes. I love their products.

They're also a sponsor of this very podcast. Hey, that's awesome. Yeah. I was unaware. Yeah, so we're wearers and users of Barefoot Shoes ourselves, of course. We're wearers and users of barefoot shoes ourselves, of course. Man, I tell you, the first time I put on barefoot shoes, it was very life-changing in a lot of ways. I got very wide feet, and finding shoes has always been such a terrible endeavor.

But when I put them on, it's like the heavens opened up and the angels sang. I actually wound up reaching out to barefoot, telling them, like, I love your product. I've pulled some great lifts in them already it just feels like something i want to get behind how can i do that and that's that's how it all began so we're jealous though you have those yeah you got those limited green ones we have black ones and uh you know those green ones aren't available anymore those are pretty sweet yeah i love them they're my favorite pair of barefoots right now but i learned very early on, I think, with those crimson ones that they released, that if they ever have any special colors coming out, even if you have to wait six months, you get them. Because when you do, they're going to be the apple of everyone's eye.

Yeah, yeah. That's good advice. And then you also, Depth of the Fortis Honor is another company that you work with. And we're buddies with them as well. That's awesome. Yeah, Depth and Jared and hannah they're great people that run it and some of the sickest designs out there i know that every time they're putting out a new drop it's like all right how many more shirts can i add to my uh yeah to my wardrobe but man cool stuff and great people and i love how ready they are to help grow the sports, whether it's strongman or powerlifting.

They're always out there and getting their name out in contests and helping athletes get to contests. I'm real proud to have them in my corner. So I'm glad to know you guys are friends with them too. Yeah, we don't care what everyone else says. They're all right. Yeah, they are. Good people.

No, we do. They're awesome. Was there anything else specifically that you wanted to get out there They are good people. Yeah. Uh, no, we do. They're, they're awesome. So, uh, was there anything else specifically that you wanted to get out there or anything like that? Uh, any other,

you know, sponsors or anything upcoming in particular that people should, uh, tune into or where they find you at? Oh, well, I did have to ask you, you know,

I, being a super heavyweight strong man, I've, I've had always such a struggle with feeling comfortable in shorts okay you know they they are they're always so tight around the quads i needed to know if the lift shorts and their incredible price tag would actually fit my quads you know can the lift shorts fit a super heavyweight strongman so you know about the lift shorts obviously which is great that's uh first of all you know how expensive they are so um you may

it's an investment man that's why i gotta figure out these things like so what what what would you say so the lift shorts one the original lift shorts they're gonna fit you yep they're they're they're a baggy fit yeah loose fit those are are going to fit even quad. You could deadlift 1,000 pounds in those all day. No problem. No, I could. The problem would literally be. That's a guarantee. Yeah.

The problem, honestly, is just affording them, of course. It's like the fit is going to be okay on the prices. What I'd be more curious about is our jorts, which we released a few months ago that sold out. We don't have them back yet, but I'm wondering how the jorts would fit. Because the jorts are really stretchy. Yeah, they're tight, but they're very, very stretchy. So, yeah, that would be a good question.

That would be a good test. I can't remember the last time. Yeah, I mean, I'm up for the test. I don't know when I ever was last in a pair of jorts. I think that's something that the possibility just kind of extinguished once i started doing squats yeah we're gonna we're gonna find we'll find out once we get more we'll make sure that uh that we'll extend you a significant line of credit for you to be able to do some research yeah yeah i appreciate that

because i don't know if i'd be able to do it any other way without that generosity. No, many have tried selling children, selling organs, second, third mortgages. College tuition. Selling their body for science, a number of different things. Yeah, well, that's why we've got to make sure that this investment is worth it. Yes, yes. And a significant return yeah yeah exactly uh yeah lift shorts very expensive we did really appreciate this i think

this is a lot of fun um we probably could have talked much more about the space part of it as i think that that's pretty interesting and exciting stuff well hey i made my uh i will leave that opportunity open for another day this was a lot of fun I really enjoyed the chat awesome we appreciate it thanks Gabe thanks Gabe hey good luck with everything else you got coming up too I appreciate it big things on the horizon so everyone stay tuned

alright thank you guys thanks see ya bye cool beans cool beans cool beans you gave him the cool space deserve those ice cool spacey beans they're chilled from being in space from the vacuum of space is what's what's the temperature like on the moon um gave what i think it's i think they say it's similar to January in western northeast South Dakota, I believe is what they say.

That's a good question. How cold? I suppose it depends on if you're on the dark side of the moon. Right. If you're on the Pink Floyd side of the moon or the other side of the moon. Right. I'm going to find this out right now. Okay.

Moon temperature. I wonder how much colder is it than western northeast South Dakota in January. Okay. Here we go. Because it gets pretty cold. Moon temperature. I wonder how much colder is it than western northeast South Dakota in January. Okay, here we go. Because it gets pretty cold. Moon temperature range. Daytime temperatures near the lunar equator reach a boiling 250 degrees. Oh, wow. While nighttime temperatures get to a chilly negative 208.

The moon's poles are even colder. Okay. And that's coming straight from NASA. And those were Fahrenheit. Those were Fahrenheitheit yes if you wanted celsius that'd be 120 celsius to negative 130 celsius okay that helps because now i really don't understand okay i was gonna say if that's still not clear i also have uh i'm assuming the k is kelvin i can give you that too if that that would, yes. Yeah. 400 Kelvin to 140 Kelvin. If,

if that helps. So this is a stupid question that some people would just be like, that's a stupid question, but why is it more extreme in both directions? I think it's because they don't have an atmosphere, isn't it? Okay. There's nothing to insulate it.

Right. That makes sense. Isn't it like why the same reason, you know, deserts get 120 degrees in the day. And then at nighttime there. Okay. Actually,

no, that doesn't make any sense. There's atmosphere in the desert, but, but there's no but there's no anything to insulate anything right that makes sense but that maybe that i think that maybe the atmosphere actually it's got to be that's got to be a big part of it yeah yeah it's not how most things in space are there's like no atmosphere and that's why there's so many extremes ah science yeah that's why we were slowly working on punching that hole in the atmosphere to get some more extreme. Get a little more of that

in here. Things are too normal. We need to get a hole going. That reminds me, I was going to go get a couple of rattle cans and just... You only did two this week. You're a little behind on your quota. Putting those VOCs into the air

or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. Putting those, what's it? VOCs into the air or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. I just, I just like to shoot them off. I just go at home and just shoot them up in there. Yeah. Preferably my bedroom before I go to sleep. Like,

yeah. Ah, now I'm tired. Hurt in the ozone. We're all doing, putting me to bed. It's good stuff. It is good stuff uh was there anything else we needed to cover today do you think um well we don't have a drop next week so nothing to talk about there it's funny i just popped open uh um a notification here, and it was on my LinkedIn,

and it was from Big Ryan of Barefoot Shoes, co-founder of Barefoot Shoes. Nice. And he said, I heard you were talking about me. Well, he said something about my wife. Seriously? Yeah. I mean, he didn't say, he didn't spell it, but he capitalized wife.

So I feel like that's the thing. That's M-A-H. Yeah, no, he didn't write it that way, but I just kind of feel like it. Yeah, he's getting at something there. Yeah, I just also can't not read my wife that way anymore. It's hard to. It's not so much the original Borat

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them credit there okay blanket game looks on point uh let's do a little quick math before we end this episode okay the moon's gravitation are 2.2 we already know don't get us with your special voodoo tricks again we already know about your... The moon's gravitational force is only about 16.6% of Earth's gravity, which means a person would weigh six times less on the moon than they do on Earth. A 100-pound person on Earth would only weigh about 16.6 pounds on the moon.

So with that logic, we're just going to say... A 1,000-pound deadlift would only be 160 pounds. Right, right. So we'll just say Gabe can deadlift 1,000 pounds, which we know that he can. So he would have to deadlift like 16,000, wouldn't he? If we divided that by 0.166, I think 6,000, right? Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, sorry sorry yeah so 6025 yep to round up

so assuming it's a 45 pound bar that would leave uh 5980 pounds of plates that he needs so divided that by 45 that would require 133 plates 45 45-pound plates. Divided by two, that's 66 plates on each side of the bar. Oh, that's a nice even number. So Grant would just need to, or what if he did 100-pound plates? So that was basically about 6,000 minus the 45-pound bar divided what's left by 100. That would only be 60 100-pound plates, 30 on each side of the bar. Perfect.

Yeah. It would look great. Imagine that, a bar with 30 hundreds on each side uh be ridiculous it'd be cool though that's that's what we're gonna need a bigger bar that's like the part in the movie they say that jaws we're gonna need a bigger boat that's it right I don't know. I've actually never seen all of Jaws before. Really? Nope. We said this before we started recording

tonight. I kind of feel like I've watched a fair number of movies of my day. Actually, as the weeks go by, I don't think I've seen any movies, actually. As the weeks go by, the days get longer, but the months get shorter. And the movies i've seen get less and less and you also said you haven't seen apollo 13 i've never seen apollo 13 and i didn't

see uh i haven't seen the martian either i'm less surprised you haven't seen the martian but i would if you would have said you hadn't seen armageddon oh when armageddon came out when i was in like fourth grade yeah that was the craziest movie i'd ever seen in my life and i probably haven't seen it since then so i'm curious how that holds up at all. My favorite part of Armageddon is when the big black guy, I can't remember that actor's name. Bing Rames, right? Yeah, I think he's dead now, isn't he?

I think. Or maybe not. I don't know for sure. Anyways, at the beginning of the movie, when they find him, he is riding a motorcycle through Kadoka, South Dakota. Yeah, that's where Zane's from, so Zane always talks about that.

Yeah, Kadoka, South Dakota, and I always loved that always loved that part like yeah and he's jet he that guy is big i want to know that there's no way he benched under 500 pounds like that guy oh he is huge see that's one of those things i haven't seen him in so long that's one of those what'd you say his name is i think it's ving rames isn't it i Maybe I'm wrong because I haven't seen it in a long time, but I think that that guy is actually really big. Ving Rhames, here we go. Because wasn't he the guy in Pulp Fiction too? That was Samuel L. Jackson.

No, with the briefcase. Yeah, none of these pictures, they're all just headshots here, but a few of them he does look pretty big i think he maybe 500 maybe i'm not accurate but i remember at times thinking that he's got to be able to bench a lot here thing rames armageddon here we go yeah i mean he looks pretty jack there yeah doesn Yeah. Doesn't he? Yeah. Like that looks like a guy that could throw some weight on a bench. Yeah. To me. Oh.

Yeah. When he's got his work coveralls on. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So you have seen Armageddon. Oh, yeah. Did you see that Avatar is back in theaters?

I did see that. Have back in theaters? I did see that. Have you seen Avatar? I have. I have not seen that since it was new. I've only seen it in the theaters. Is that 20 years ago? Is that right? Is that actually how long it was?

Is that the reason I didn't actually look at what the... I bet it is, right? That'd be like 2002? It has to be, yeah. No, no, no. Oh, no, no. Or is it 10 years? I think...

No, wasn't Avatar like 2007-ish? Maybe it's 15 years then. Let's see. Let's see. Avatar. No, not re-released. 2009. 2009, okay.

Yeah. So actually that years thing doesn't really... We're due to cash out're like now we just would like the money yeah we're due to cash out on this we're not waiting for 20 years it's been just long enough uh but what why is that a thing because like that's not the only like why haven't hasn't titanic been brought back to the i didn't i didn't actually know why why avatar was coming back i had no idea is it do you think that that's a trend of things that will start that people are so much you know because that certainly is a thing of people just

like things just get recycled and it seems like the recycling becomes more and more um like people lean on the recycling like like there's no nothing new it's what some a criticism someone would say you know i think maybe the exception and I, I don't, I didn't get to experience it this way, but every, there was a lot of people I remember at the time saying that avatar was like the craziest IMAX 3d movie experience ever.

Yeah. Like the craziest theater experience I got to watch in a shitty theater. So I don't know what that was like. And if it really is that crazy of an experience, I could see why maybe bringing it back to the theater for a limited run might make sense that that if that is the reasoning that's a good point but i don't know i i never got to experience that so i don't know how that holds as we're talking about it now i'm more so thinking that they're just that this is just gonna be any like people are like yeah we're we don't even make anything new let's just

cash in on this like it's just like don't even make anything new let's just cash in on this like it's just like a second release of this thing that's completely already and that we do that is the thing it's so much of movies are like that now it's hard to even be excited about it and not that other mediums don't do that too but i guess maybe that is why i just watch more tv shows because it feels like they have a little more leeway to try and do different things yeah i don't know maybe they don't have you seen tommy boy yeah it'd be really weird if you had i think i've seen mostly the chris farley movie yeah okay did you ever have you seen beverly hills ninja yeah i have seen that not for a really long time i love that one i would have

to watch that even to like i I don't really remember that movie. It was on TV not that long ago and I was trying to get my wife to watch it and I was laughing too hard. She's like, okay, you're having way too much fun at this. My wife would not like, I don't know that my wife would like Tommy Boy. And that's a good, that's, Tommy Boy is Chris Farley's best movie, isn't it?

Probably. I don't know what else I'm not sure well it's always confusing between Tommy Boy and Black Sheep Tommy Boy is better than Black Sheep I think it's like is more iconic than Black Sheep isn't it I think it is

is there anything we're missing in there though as far as his movie work goes top three that show up on Google Is there anything we're missing in there, though, as far as his movie where it goes? Well, top three that show up on Google. Tommy Boy, Beverly Hills Ninja, Black Sheep. Yeah. And he was in The Coneheads, too. You can't forget that.

And he was in Billy Madison. Yeah, Billy Madison. Almost Heroes. Do you ever see that one? No. I don't know if they're actually with Lewis and Clark, but they're explorers going west, trying to get to California. And he's in that.

I've only seen that one like once. It's a period piece. Yeah, he was in Wayne's World. I'm always a huge Wayne's World guy. That's pretty much all of his movies though. At least for what shows up on the top. Yeah. Imagine what more hits he could have pumped out.

God, I know. Would have been endless. He's just peaking with, just starting to hit his peak with Tommy Boy. It's a damn shame. Yep. Well, on that note. Well, okay, I guess we should go now. Tommy, where do they find you at?

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