Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 341: GOAT Powerlifter Draft with 2 White Lights

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

Angelo Fortino & Steve DeNovi of 2 White Lights joined us for this one to conduct a mock draft. The four of us took turns selecting our top picks for best male powerlifters of all time. We each ended with a “team” of five. Listen along and see who you think ended up with the best draft! Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. Here we are everyone for episode 341 of the Massanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from Western Northeast South Dakota. My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy. Episode episode 341 you know what that means another day at the office it is and i just wanted you to be clear here tanner um i i see the the storage space left we only have five hours and 25 minutes left so we cannot go over the five hour and 25 minute mark on this podcast we'll have to rush through so i'll have to make sure once this one's done to clear it off

so we can go unlimited again there'll be a couple topics maybe here we're not going to hit. Yeah, let's just run out of time. There's just not enough. Yeah. So this might be a little shorter than when people are used to. It might be just a little bit. But anyways, I mean, it is another day at the office. So, you know.

Just another day. Another day, another dollar at the office. That's what I always tell them. 341, we have a special. 341, we have a special. This episode is a greatest of all time power lifter mock draft that we'll be doing with ourselves, of course, and then also the fellas from Two White Lights, Big Steve and Big Angelo.

We'll have a snake draft, either four or five rounds, and everything is at stake here. Who can assemble the greatest team of greatest power. There's a lot at stake. I think the losing team has to quit podcasting is what I heard. Okay. It's like, it's like we're podcasting for pinks over here.

It's like the fast and the furious podcast. If we win, we get their podcast. We get to take over their feed. We live our lives an hour to two hours at a time on 90 to 120 minutes at a time that's what we do you never even had your microphone that reminds me i wanted you all to hear a little something.

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It'd be really weird if it was. I'd be like, okay, that's crazy. It turns out that when the last time you saw Armageddon was in fifth grade. Oh, that's a good call. Okay, yes. Yes, that's crazy. Turns out that when the last time you saw Armageddon was in fifth grade. Oh, that's a good call. Okay. Yes. That's a good point. You don't remember the actors very well in that movie.

And we're also learning about my experience with movies in general. So we'll get more to that. The actor that we were referring to is not Ving Rhames. It was Michael Clark Duncan. Is that his name? I don't even remember his name yeah it's something like that i'm very bad with remembering actors names and i know it was i know it was in the discord yeah michael clark duncan michael clark duncan yeah so we okay we got that one very and also michael clark duncan was huge yes yes that's why i was that's what was throwing me off i'm like i guess vinger Ames was kind of big,

but what am I remembering? Michael Clark Duncan was jacked, and it is said that he could bench press 600 pounds, and I tend to believe it. Oh, for sure. At least in the ballpark. Maybe that's... What I said on the podcast last time,

he's for sure benching over 500. There's no way that here's a picture of him with the rock his arms are bigger than the rocks oh he's enormous yeah like he and he was a uh before becoming an actor he was a bodyguard for a lot of uh i think big famous actors for a long time i believe it he is jack in there oh he's huge be like try and tell me that guy doesn't bench if he doesn't i don't know who or why people do yeah holy but we did kind of have that wrong didn't yeah but i feel better about after figuring that out i'm like okay that's why i was confused

like because being rams wasn't that quite i was like yeah that guy's not benching 500 pounds like i was thinking in my head but yep Michael Clarke Duncan, big guy. Yes, he is. About as big as any actor. What actors do you think are much... What actors that have made it to that level? I mean, he's not an A-list actor, I suppose, or wasn't. But he's in a lot of big movies.

As far as just pure strength goes, you're saying? Yeah, who would be stronger than than him i don't know because a lot of people at that level it's more aesthetics than yeah and i'm not talking about like thor being uh right yeah i don't know that either the mountain in game of thrones or eddie making some i mean you might say the rock is really strong but he's also not doing like maximal lifts and if he is you don't see it would be touching what i don't think michael clark duncan uh could have done yeah i don't know who would be in that who else would be in that territory but again i'm a bad person to ask so yeah you haven't really seen

many movies but i'm show me an actor a actor where acting is that you know where they really kind of made it that's stronger than him maybe they're out there but i'd like to see it i'd love to see that yeah uh i'd have something else to play this is my follow-up okay so turn the volume up here i think i think you'll uh this will be this will be fun you remember how i was talking about the shoe strategy game in business school oh yeah yeah i was this just really quick yeah for people that yeah went to one of south dakota's top business schools and got and got really good grades yes and um true statements and part of your class was that everyone in the class had to form groups and run or decide as a group how to best run this fictional shoe company yeah

so you know how i built this the podcast with guy ross yeah oh yeah uh really good podcast i'm sure we've talked about it before i was listening to that this week wouldn't you know the guest on there uh the guy that started wire cutter i'm guessing you've oh yeah uh brian lamb i think is his name okay there's been times where i had the when i discovered the wire cutter yeah website i spent way too much time i'm like oh everyone's figured out the best version of everything of the everyday boring settled for me yep i'll just read all of these i'll buy all of the stuff and i got way too into it for way too long and now i don't go on that website anymore it's funny this guy too he was at gizmo when they broke that when they got the leaked iphone 4 or gizmodo

yeah gizmodo yeah yeah whatever yeah i do i do remember that when the leaked iphone 4 and like steve jobs called him and was like hey i want that back because it got left on a bar in san francisco yeah by like somebody that had it for an engineer. So the guy that started Wirecutter. Used to work for Gizmodo. Gotcha. And he was the guy that broke that, basically. And they had...

This is way off the rails, but I just want to... They, at Gizmodo, they had pre-planned all these scenarios of things that could happen and what they would do, how they would react if they could happen. And months before finding that iPhone 4, they had played out the scenario of what if they got a leaked iPhone in their hands? What could they legally do with it and what could they do with it?

So they had already gone through their attorneys and already knew what they could and couldn't get away with like so just by chance that it actually happened that's so they could act on it immediately instead of like waiting around to like be like oh can we really do this or is steve jobs actually gonna like lower the hammer on us and crush us to dust that is and so steve jobs called and he was like no i don't have to do that you know because they knew covered this yeah right right wow interesting but so they interviewed this guy he went to business school and he goes you know the only class i ever liked was this uh strat where with the strategy game it's called the business strategy game.

He didn't say that, but I looked it up after this. I'm like, oh, everyone does do this activity then. It wasn't just an us thing. I'm remembering that right. It's common across business schools. He talks about it a little bit. I just pulled the snippet of him. I was just like, this is so funny that just date. I haven't talked about this thing

for 20 years. Now it's happening yeah yeah so here's like 30 seconds of that and then i ended up in business school but the only class i enjoyed was the strategy game and it was like this rudimentary networked thing where it's like you're in the sneaker industry and you like choose which factories and what pricing and the quantity you want to produce. And I think I beat like a couple hundred kids at that. Got super aggressive on pricing. I basically was like cutthroat business person, long-term thinking right away.

And I would like undercut them by like two pennies and like win that week. And I just kept winning, winning, winning. It was like a business school class on strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's very funny hearing the way their conversation is about that versus ours right right but if you would take away the same idea from either our conversation

was that last week or two weeks ago whatever it was it might have been a month ago yeah yeah but i just when i heard that i almost like spit out my breakfast i'm like they're talking about that and this episode like just came out and i'm like're talking about that. And this episode just came out. And I'm like, huh. What about? That is really funny. I just, that was just one of those moments. I'm like, what of all like the things in the world?

What a coincidence. Wow. How I built this is good though. It is a good show. Very good. Sometimes I get away from it and I got to remember to go back. I've actually, you know what? You know what other show I've enjoyed lately

that you recommended many, many, probably years ago at this point? I've liked Planet Money a little bit. Oh, Planet Money's good. Because it's not necessarily, I thought at first when you recommended it, it was more of like a financial type podcast. It's more of like an economics.

Economics played out in the world around us. You pull one string over here, what does it do to someone in japan like no it's not like investing no it's just it's more the economy than anything but not the economy in the way they talk about in the news it's just hey someone did something over here and it affected them over here and then this happened over here some crazy stories it is too you know like how um like geese farmers it like just like this craziest stuff. And then like how you just,

and they're also like 20 to 30 minute episodes. So they're fast. Yeah. But if you need a reminder that we're all connected in ways that you wouldn't guess that show does a good job of showing that. What's the can action that we, Oh, we're just going with it with a classic here.

Okay. Is it an aha? okay is it an aha it is not an aha it's a polar oh that's how you know it's cold crispy crack on there oh yeah that's good yep still good

still good that's good so I've got this fun little game. This is a new segment. Never before heard on the Massanomics podcast. Would you say it's one of the fastest growing, newest segments? To be determined after this week's episode. To be determined.

The name of the game, what I wrote in Asana to throw Tommy off the trail is, has he seen it? Real name of the game is, has he seen it? Real name of the game is has Tommy seen it? Okay. Glad my assumption wasn't totally wrong. This comes from our supporting members Discord crew have really been running with

the fact that Tommy hasn't seen any movies. Yeah, apparently I've seen zero movies. This has come up seems like within the last six months this has come up on the don't just like within the last six months it was come up on the podcast a lot if there was one day the flipping of the switch was when we started talking about tom cruise movies and i'm like i've seen like two yeah and that guy's been in a few movies in his day yeah um i was just gonna say about movies oh okay how many if i if i had to ask you how many

movies have you seen in the last year like you sat many movies have you seen in the last year? Like you sat down and watched a movie in the last year. How many do you think you'd say? Like in the last 12 months? Last 12 months, yeah. I would say... Whether it's in a movie theater, at your house, whatever. Like 20.

Really? 20. Really? I'm just thinking like sometimes maybe more than one a month so that okay that puts things into perspective because i was thinking of this to myself today and my guess i was gonna say maybe five that was that was my guess so i'm losing a lot of ground in the time see my thing is i watch movies with my kids you know yeah like uh yeah i can't do that like at least once a month probably you know i can't do that i'm good at watching yeah like uh yeah i can't do that like at least once a month probably

you know i can't do that i'm good at watching tv shows i think i can give myself credit there i have watched i think you've probably seen more more maybe more series especially of the hbo catalog i feel like i've done a pretty good job there but yeah movies i'm not uh i i'm bad and actually if i had i was started to guess if i if I think I've seen five movies in the last year, I was like, well, how many have I seen in the last two years? Maybe 10, maybe. So my numbers aren't too good. They're not too good.

Those are rookie numbers. We've got to bring those numbers up. So this week in Has Tommy Seen It? We have seven movies here. Seven, oh my God. First of all, Tommy, out of these seven, before before knowing anything else there is a theme to these seven but out of these seven just just seven random movies how many would you guess you've seen three okay three so under 50 okay now now knowing has tommy seen it 1990 is the date the date that all seven of these movies came out okay okay it's the year that uh i

would have been one years old then so yeah but i was probably watching a lot of movies and and i uh i hand-picked these seven special okay uh i i picked the not the seven like highest grossing movies of 1990 but seven popular yeah like seven that all stood out to me as like... Being noteworthy. Yeah, yeah. Worth watching. At least noteworthy. Okay. You know. Well, even noteworthies tend to be worth watching. Right, right.

You know. And so it's 1990. If I say 1990, do you still think three out of seven? It might be two. I'll stick with three, but it's probably going to be two. So the first one in Has Tommy Seen It from 1990, Edward Scissorhands. I've never actually seen all of Edward Scissorhands. I do remember as a kid, our neighbors like two doors down.

I was probably like four or five at the time. They had Edward Scissorhands, and it terrified me. This freaking white-ass Johnny Depp with his scissor hands freaked me out so i never i couldn't watch the movie it was too scary um and i for sure i have never sat and watched the whole thing so yeah i have not seen big name johnny depp in that one who's who's that uh i can't remember he's a pirate now is what he's known for. But who made Edward Scissorhands? Burton, right? Yeah, yeah. Yes, right.

Nightmare Before Christmas. So what's that? So the answer's kind of or? Well, see, I don't count that. Like, if you say that. You haven't really seen it. Yeah, if you say that, like things like that. I've seen so many movies because in college I had,

it was like the thing in college then, you know, everyone had DVDs and they were always playing. But I, so we're saying no. No, I'd say no, I have not seen it. I could not tell you what the plot is. I couldn't tell you why the hell he has these scissor hands. I don't know what is going on there. Okay, I have seen Edward Scissorhands.

Next one, has Tommy seen it? From 1990, Arachnophobia. No, no, I have not. Who's in that even? I'm not sure. That's the least known of this list but i just react that movie stood out to me not as something i've seen but just like that people know about that movie i'm assuming that spiders yeah people no i've not seen that one

that's a no okay all for two pretty woman oh i've actually not seen Pretty Woman. Really? I've seen chunks of it. You don't know who's in Pretty Woman. Richard Greer and what's her name? Can't think of her name. Julia Roberts. Julia Roberts. There you go. So that's a no on Pretty Woman.

No, I've not seen it. I thought that between Edward Scissorhands and Pretty Woman, we might be at two yeses from here. I could, I mean, for the most part, know the entire plot, and I've seen parts of it. I feel like that's a movie that was on TV all the time growing up, but I never sat down and watched it. Okay.

I've seen that probably a few times. Okay. Has Tommy seen it? 1990. Goodfellas. I have seen Goodfellas. I've seen Goodfellas multiple times. Goodfellas, very, very good. That's why they call it Goodfellas. Yeah, Goodfellas goodfellas multiple times good very very good yeah uh

that's why they call it goodfellas goodfellas goodfellas is great that is one that everyone should see for sure it's coming from a movie expert like me and uh what's his what's um actor scorsese ray ray leota yeah yeah and it isn't what's his name in it that's meet the fuckers uh oh robert de niro yeah robert de niro's in it isn't he i think so and uh uh what's um that's ray leota right there in the meme right that yeah in the meme uh yeah yes lots of people i already know the answer to this one joe pescici. That's what I wanted to say. Big David said, there it is. This is a Tom Cruise. There is a 1990 Tom Cruise movie.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Right in the sweet spot for Tom Cruise, really, here in 1990. Has Tommy seen it? I already know the answer. Days of Thunder. No, I don't. Is that the racing one?

Yeah. I do need to watch that. I got to watch that. No. That's like, is it a NASCARCAR or is it just like an oval track? NASCAR. It is NASCAR, actually. Okay.

Yeah, I got to watch that. It's very 1990 NASCAR. It doesn't feel, it's very dirty. Like, they're always just absolutely filthy. I'm like, how are you? It doesn't have all the glamour and bits of modern day racing. No, no, no. Second to last one here. In 1990 tommy seen it dances with wolves

i have not seen dance with wolves it's a classic it's filmed in south dakota yes kevin costner has uh also left his mark in in in west river western south dakota he he has restaurants and bars he's invested in out there um i mean it was big for south dakota and i have not seen it to be fair i've never watched all of it i keep thinking about watching it yeah um i'd love to see it i just never one of the a boy that was in my class that they had horses a lot of horses and and their horses were used in dances and fools. Oh, really? Interesting fact. Yeah. Okay, last one. 1990.

This would get me to two, which is not enough. I'm at one. I'm one for six right now. Yes. And you've done a pretty good job not picking obscure movies. No, no. The theme of this is not going to be, you know, it's going to be the only one I think that's a little off the rails

is arachnophobia. But I think it's good to throw in only one I think that's a little off the rails is arachnophobia. But I think it's good to throw in a couple that are, because maybe you have seen them. I think you've had very fair picks so far. 1990, last one. This involves a friend of the podcast, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Has Tommy seen it? Total recall. I have actually.

And the only reason I've seen this because there's a lot of arnold movies i have not seen a lot jingle all the way i've actually seen jingle all the way a lot too uh the only reason i've seen total recall i've never seen twins only reason i've seen total recall is because the last job that i actually worked for a company for Christmas. One of, you know, everyone there knew I was a guy that lifted. I got someone as like a secret Santa type gift. You know, you do that whole thing. Someone got me total recall on DVD. I'm like, well, if they got it for me, I better watch it.

It's a good movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So two out of seven. Two out of seven. Not very good. I really thought once we started going there, I was only going to have the one. I would guess those playing along at home.

A lot of you may, maybe outscored two out of seven, depending on how young, how old you are though. If you're, if you're 20, you maybe haven't seen many of those movies. Which of those movies would you have watched by now?

Dances with wolves is pretty big. I feel like Edward scissors. Yeah yeah that was kind of a cult classic right right yes i like how i'm saying how people should have seen that movie when i haven't seen it um i would think a lot of people have seen at least three or four of those yeah out of the best fit my favorite out of the list is days of thunder although a lot of people think that's one of uh tom cruise's shittier movies i believe but i just like it i don't know yeah that's i'm going days of thunder okay i'm going good fellas yeah yeah it's one of the few you've seen either that or total recall is like so that's uh has tommy seen it well now i think

we can officially say it's one of the fastest growing segments on the podcast now that we've got one under our belt here that was fun though i like that gives me uh something next week in 1991 hey you already know you already know the pattern and we that means we only have like 20 years left and then we're done we can always go older oh i thought that i thought the rules were once it was set. No, they move forward. I figured 90 was a good building point though.

It is older than that. I'm like, that gets a little too old for us. Almost. I think I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I think, what do you think your best year is going to be? I think I'm going to do pretty good at 1999.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 1999. I had like fight club powers. And I think awesome powers powers the matrix american beauty there was seven uh office space like 1999 was good huge for movies yeah huge for movies that you've seen i think just actually movies in general i think a lot of people would say that

was one of the best years for movies ever yeah sister act is that a 90 have you seen sister act i have not no i have uh one or two i'm not sure the difference i've probably seen them both let's see i was going to uh hit you with a couple podcast reviews. That's the thing we're doing again. If you haven't picked up on it. Yes, let's do it. First one is from Bubba925, and he just says, first comment. Not sure if that's true on the podcast reviews, but good try.

Next one is from D. Surakos. I don't know what that is. Okay. If you're not taking your mom's phone to leave another review, do you even listen to the Massanomics podcast? No. No, that's just good. That's good advice.

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You don't know it exists, but once you get it inside of you, it leaves you wanting more. Great podcast. I learned so much about nothing. Good reviews right there. right there rave reviews and then we picture any one of those on a billboard yeah and uh i know that has tommy seen it was a brand new segment but this next one is just a relatively new segment to the podcast that's supporting our supporting members all right yep yep so for anyone that doesn't know

we have the supporting membership option for our podcast you can go on our site sign up for it there's different levels that you can sign up for and a lot of different perks that go along with those levels, like being able to join our Discord community, where we call those our Discord crew, where we came up with that Discord crew. We patented that. CRU has been in the works for quite a while.

Yeah, so come say, I don don't know a year and a half yes maybe two years now yeah so we we invented that uh you get to listen live to the show like the crew is right now uh there's a discount code in there that you can use uh what else time we randomly send stuff out sometimes like randomly send little membership cards uh you get to listen to the first half hour of the podcast live you get we live stream it uh first look at uh new drops and you know just some insight as to what we're planning with that sort of stuff but really really the real gift is just joining a community an active community of like minded individuals in the massonomics discord and i do not use the word active lightly it is

active community so that's well said if you think you got some time on your hands and you're tired of instagram comments move on over to discord it's a whole nother level there's levels to this thing and then uh each week on the show we like to give back to these people a little bit so first one is for big ethan it's actually big ethan 2 in the discord he competed in his fifth power lifting meet he went eight for nine which is an awesome day he squatted 639 a huge squat he said that's a lifetime pr yeah 424 bench big bench that's a 22 pound meet pr and a 672 deadlift for a 1735 total at 3a there's some big lifts right there moving the 1700 yes you're pushing. That's also a big lift segment. It is.

Okay, this next one is a good one. This is our only other supporting member topic for this week. This goes back to July 17th. I won't tell you what year, but this goes back to July 17th. Big Toby Spees had an unassisted triple play in his Pee Wee game. He caught a line drive at shortstop for the first out, tagged the runner going to third

for the second out, and stepped on third to double off the runner going home for the third out. This is the rarest play in baseball. In Major League history, this play has only been accomplished a very few times. Toby will be in second grade when he starts school this fall. So we were a little behind on this you know toby's an adult now but uh still wanted to give toby a shout out yeah anyone in the

discord if you could find toby on there and tag him and let him know he just got shouted out for an unassisted triple play the rarest play in baseball they say that is pretty remarkable actually it is quite a crazy crazy a lot of things got to go just right yeah i don't know if it's even something uh to even process you know it almost just have to be reactive you can't even be thinking about those things that are as they're going at all right unassisted triple play i saw it pop up in the discord and for some reason i was thinking it was a triple like he hit a triple i didn't get the triple play part of it yeah got three people out to get to third base from also there's so much so

much so many circumstances have to be yes like no one can be out there has to be the you know at least two runners on the bases those runners have to be relatively close to you yes yes yeah the ball has to yeah go to the right spot. So we'll even support our supporting members for things that happened decades ago. There's no expiration date on achievements? No. You know what else there's no expiration date on? What?

Juggernaut AI. No, there ain't. Well, technically, if you forget to renew your credit card yeah it would explain besides that as long as your funds are good it goes forever that doesn't go as good with what i with my transition there it's just saying kind of a stickler for the details it's just how i am yeah you can uh sign up for uh juggernaut ai it's uh the training app and programming that we both use you go to the web browser and sign up it's important that you go to web browser and not through uh the app on your phone because when

you go to the web browser that's where you can use our discount code that is massonomics and that will save you 10 on the lifetime of your membership for the uh programming for the app the lifetime of your membership for the lifetime of the membership, right? Exactly. Yes. That's as long as it doesn't expire, your credit card numbers. And like I said, it's the training we use. It's a principle-based training. And we were just telling Big Matt at the gym about it the other day. Yeah, we were giving a real sales pitch. Yeah, we were giving them the rundown.

And it's kind of easy to sell when people start asking you things about it. And they go, really? Yeah, yeah. You thought of that, huh? Yeah yeah but what about when this happens to me and this like well yeah yeah so what a lot of what we were talking about is uh kind of how it customizes to each individual over time and the longer you do it the more it customizes to you and um also all the information you're inputting besides just the sets and reps you're performing. You know, everything that you're putting in there that's helping determine your weights and sets and all the feedback that you're giving it. So we would encourage you to get signed up.

We would encourage you to use our discount code. Juggernaut got me to bench over 300 pounds again for the first time in years. That was just today? And I've known for a little bit. I've had this in me because i did 300 for a triple a couple weeks ago right so if you do 300 for a double you get it for a double you know you got more than that but right i play by the rules i'm following the program i was not going off program today i had 305 it felt great felt great there's more there so moved like a snack i'm i can see all time i can see all-time gym PRs within reach again. Those felt like those were just light years away, and now I can almost see them again.

They're coming. So it's got to keep grinding. At least in part thanks to the juggernaut AI. At least in part. Thanks in all to it. It's stupid how the first time to get to 300 takes like years right it takes like years right and now all of a sudden i've had six good good months of benching and i'm back at past 300 like how does that work at all at a lighter body weight nonetheless too yes i know it does not make any

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It was the Goldilocks zone. Yep. That's what Texas power bars get you. Now, do we want to –'re going to get get into our goat power lifter draft do you want to we uh i did see big old scants did remind us that the rock did strike again in town and i got to see it oh my god for the first time that is insane yeah yeah i cannot believe that and i i saw it on the facebook page has like 5 000 followers now so people are posting about it all the time and uh the second like it must have been within minutes it happened there was like

three or four people that posted it on there so i'm like i think this is just happening right now so i was leaving work it's like a block from yeah i drove by and i'm like yeah there it is that's amazing yeah i was actually had left work was going a different way and circled around real quick i'm like i gotta see if that's there right now. There's like three cop cars there. It's like, they must have to come like once a week to get, get people off the rock. It sure seems like it does.

Yeah. Yeah. You think they'd put some reflectors and paint on that thing or something? It is a funny thing. Because at this point, that's, I mean, it does cost the city money to be always time.

Yeah. Just assuming time is worth, I mean, call the ambulance. Someone's on the rock again like do they just use it as a lecturing point like be like you are obviously on your phone like what else is the reason you drove over the grass median and over a rock and now you are high centered on the rock your vehicle can't touch the wheels don't touch the ground because you're so high on this rock yeah it is always like the same it seems like it that it's the same

mid-size suv yes like how many traverse chevy traverses can get stuck on this rock yeah like chevy when they come up with the new traverse need to come film the commercial there it's like now with more rock climbing ability than ever before yeah i don't think that's what and they wrote that ad campaign yeah who is that that sings uh i don't know who is that mcdonald or something uh let's find out right now i know i can't I'm embarrassed that I can't think of that it is Bob Seger ah yes Bob Seger yeah let me some night Samsonite

way off now do we want to kick the discord crew off or let them stay on for the powerlifter draft I don't know do they want to stay on for a little bit oh we could let's just let them on we just like yeah we'll just randomly pull them off when they least expect it get them real comfortable and then yank it out from underneath of them. All right, we got to call both of them.

So we have to call one of them first. This will be a first for the MathSomics podcast. Merging calls. We'll try Steve here first because he popped up. And what do I press then when I do the... There should be... The add call button should light up once it's on. Oh, right. Makes sense.

Well, if one doesn't answer, I guess we'll get the other. It's going to make it really easy to just only have to call one of them. It's going to speed this draft up. Hi, this is Steve. That was... Was was an actual answer? He said, oh.

I was like, oh. I thought you hung up on him for a second because of your reaction. I thought it was his voicemail. It was, right? I think so. Just the fact that you said, oh. Yeah. Well, then I just had a...

That'd be a weird way to answer the phone. Yeah, right. Right. We'll try Angelo first then. Mr. 14-0? Yeah. Maybe this is their way of punking it. Sticking it to the van.

Hello? Can you hear me? Ah, Big Angelo, is that you? Yes, big angelo is that you yes it is how are you boys we're doing well glad to have you on here long time no talk yeah am I the first second appearance that you've ever had

no you're not the first damn it I'm fucking leaving it's not the first it's'm fucking leaving. It's not the first. It's not an extremely long list, though. It's still prestigious. And then when you say people that have podcasts that have been on twice, it's an even smaller list. That's true.

Okay, getting into elite company. Very elite, exclusive company. We're going to try to add Steve to the call now, okay? Okay. If you don't want to add him, it's okay. You can't see us, what we're doing here, so you'll just have to take our word for it.

This was a trap. Steve's already on the line. We just wanted to see what you would say about him when he's not here. He knows that I'm not very fond of him. Okay. We'll be right back, maybe. Okay. five of them okay we'll be right back maybe okay all right tanner's clicking the button all right we're calling steve hopefully he answers this time hello big steve is that you

yep sorry i'm trying to get my headphones to work and it was on my computer and it wasn't Hello? Big Steve, is that you? Yep. Sorry, I'm trying to get my headphones to work and it was on my computer and it wasn't working. I'll just talk to my regular phone. Yes, it's me. I'm here. You sound crystal clear. Whatever you're doing, it's working well. We're going to merge in Angelo back in,

but before we do, is there anything you want to say bad about him? We called him first and he kind of was shit-talking you, so this would be your chance where he can't respond to whatever you want to say bad about him before we because we called him first and he kind of was shit talking you so this would be your chance where he can't respond to whatever you want to say oh i was gonna i was gonna say pretend like i'm not here and prank him like like i never even showed up and you just had him you just had him on just like waste of time but we did tell him that we're actually trying to trick him with that he's been waiting the whole time we better bring him on then here he comes alright we have now I believe we have Big Angelo and Big Steve

together on the Massanomics podcast that's giving a lot of credit to someone who's like 5'6 everyone's big here no matter what size you are that's a badge of honor just by being in the show. Steve is 6'6", 125 pounds, and he's talking about my height. That's great.

No, we're excited to get – we've got the full Two White Lights cast on. It's a little Massanomics Two White Lights mashup right here that we've got going on. We had to call off our banners it sounds like i thought there was gonna be a podcast for this is just banners or yeah this is just a temporary truce you know it goes back on after the show's over okay that's good uh well a funny story when you made that meme i'm like okay we got to think of something and then we were actually fighting a war well funny story when you made that meme I'm like okay we gotta think of something and then we were actually fighting a war with what we said on 2iLights

with a bunch of people so we had to like act we couldn't fight a two front war so our fake little our fun fake little thing didn't take precedent yeah we had to actually we actually had to like put the, off the fires of angry people.

Oh, real actually angry people. Okay. Well, I guess we got to try harder next time. Um, so what we're doing and Steve, are you kind of the rules man on the,

uh, drafts that you guys have done on two white lights in the past yeah and basically the rules man on everything angela just shows up and i tell him what to do uh so what we're gonna do here and you can jump in anytime if i'm saying something wrong but our thought on this draft it's going to be uh we're ripping this off from two white lights but we thought the fairest way if we're going to rip something off from two white lights is we just have the two white lights guys on to also do it. So then you can't really complain about it.

None of your listeners can complain about it because they're like, well, we involved you. Yeah, you're participating, so you endorse it by default. By default, yeah, exactly. I like it. So this is going to be a greatest power lifter of all time draft. We'll do it a snake draft format, and we're going to limit this to a male only for the sake of it opens the

door for us to be able to do a female only one in the future with you guys again, as a followup to this. So this will be male only. And the idea is we're each picking, uh, uh, there's four of us.

We're going around a snake draft and we're each picking lifters that we considered to be the greatest of all time and probably our justification of how we think that there could be a number of different reasons why you think someone is in that caliber. And then at the end of it, how did you guys determine who really won then? Was it an Instagram story poll type of thing? Yeah, we did a fan vote, but it's usually pretty rigged. He just goes based off of

clout and has no actual merit to it. I assume it sounds like you didn't win. I don't think I won that one. I forget who won that one. I know the one after is ruined because... Based on the clout, I forget who won that one. I know the one after is ruined because... If it was based on the clout, I would have won. But actually, Joey Shepard won that one

and he was the guest we bought on. So... I got a solid team. I don't know. The second one we did was because of the Weez vote. Yeah, Sean Mills ruined our vote on the second one we did was because of the Weez vote. Yeah, Sean

Mills ruined our vote on the second one by completely strewing the vote and everything. I even got John Hack to share mine when we did the GOAT one and I couldn't even get a win out of it. That's bad. That's tough.

With the hack share that you still can't make it happen. Rules question though, are we talking anything? Untested, tested, That's tough with the hack share that you still can't make it happen. Yeah. So rules question, though. Are we talking anything? Untested, tested, raw, multiply, single fly, anything? We're going to put them all together. All men of powerlifting from any era, from any weight class, from any federation. We'll throw them all together and i think it'll make for maybe some interesting it'll be interesting maybe how you two pick versus how we pick or you know all of us

individually i think there there'd be some different thought process into it for those some of those reasons you guys and for anyone that doesn't know um i'm not uh you guys certainly are most involved in the drug uh tested world of USAPL and IPF, but your knowledge certainly isn't limited to that. But that's kind of the background that you both come from. Is that fair to say? That's decently fair to say. I did wonder, did you need me to share my draft board with you? I know usually you guys don't really talk about powerlifting, so I didn't know your full knowledge on actual powerlifters. Did you need my draft board

so you actually have a decent list of more than just Dan Green? If you could just text me those so I have some. We only put them in an order. If you could order those too and give me some notes, then we'd be really good. Okay, perfect. I'll send those over real quick

so that you guys sound like you are on par with us. Are we saying Dan Green's off the table then? Because he was pretty high on my list. I got a quick question, though. Is it Mathonomics team versus 2Y Lights team? No, we'll do

individual teams just so that way we're team? No, we'll do individual teams just so that way we're getting... Otherwise, we'd only end up with... We'll shoot for five rounds here if we can make it. If we only get through four and we take way too much time, we'll go with that. But we'll shoot for four or five rounds of four separate teams.

Yeah, that works because I don't want to be on Angelo's team because he drafted someone last time that he thought won a world championship that never did that probably didn't help my team out when I picked Sam Calhoun and she went on her story and was like I should not be considered one of the best podcasters

of all time that hurt my team yeah that was some team chemistry problems right there with Sam Calhoun wanting off the team. Yeah, that was some team chemistry problems right there with Sam Calhoun wanting off the team. I love you, Sam. Thanks. One part I didn't prepare is the order

here. Let's see. I need each of you three to pick a number between one through five right now. Tommy, you go ahead and go first. One through five? Yeah, just go through one through five. Okay, I'll say three. Tommy, you're the first pick.

So you get first. Now, Angelo and Steve, this isn't the proper way to do this, but for the sake of time, I've got a different number, one through five. Steve, you pick a number, one through five. Two. It is two, so you're going second.

Angelo, do you want to go third or fourth since you're the guest? I'll give you choice on this one. Sweet, fourth. The order is Tommy, Steve, Tanner, Angelo. That is our order. Got it.

Tommy, if you are... The floor is mine. Yeah, the floor is yours. Unless you guys think there's anything else we need to cover on that, but I think the rules are fairly established here. Yeah, I think we're good to go. Okay, we're good.

Do we need some effects to bring this in? Yeah, do we have some? Oh, the crowd is going wild. Yeah, they're excited. Okay, okay, here we go. First pick of the draft. So I think you guys made it pretty easy by letting me get the first pick like that. So first pick, I don't think this is very controversial.

I'm going to go with ed cone and it feels like there's not even really a whole lot you need to say to validate that or to to make an argument for that uh i mean he's pretty unanimously pretty unanimous voting if people would say he's the best of all time um you know likes to have a 2400 pound total the time five ipf world championships a squad of 961 bench 584 deadlift 901 um does back in the days when they had their rising bar too so it was a whole it was a whole different world there he was the first one to do a lot of the things uh i gotta go ed this is name too after all right the name like i mean the name

it's people know it so i gotta go Ed Cohen in my first pick. Obviously, I'm going to get the second pick. I wouldn't pick Ed first. I think Ed's very deserving of a top two pick. You mentioned one thing. There's a big caveat there. Five IPF World titles, but he got popped and got picked out. He did. You could say that's when he got really good, though.

You could say that's when he got really good though. Yeah. Well, it's going to be the same order because I had the second pick in Mars 2 and I'm going to pick I can just say it now, I guess, because then it'll create a nice little debate between the two. But I'm going to go John Hack. I don't think there's any question there. And I think the difference

I mean, you're going old school versus new school. I mean, Ed Cohen, I think you didn't mention it, but I think the single most impressive thing I ever heard about him is the fact that, uh, one of his most famous world record deadlifts was back when they used to do

like the weightlifting rules where it wasn't like, uh, everyone does their attempt and they come back around. It's that he had to do three attempts in a row, which is insanity. Obviously, he was way above his time. I don't know. I mean, maybe it's the USA PL Natty elitist in me, but there is a little bit of an asterisk there for the fact that he did go into IPF competition

and get popped and get that revoked. Yeah, I think that's a very fair argument um also john hack was like number two on my list yeah he's number two i assumed i assumed i was not going to get him um i i yeah it'd be really really hard to not put john hack in the very very top so i yeah i totally get that logic yeah Yeah. So, yeah, obviously I chose John hack, um, for the same reason someone would choose Ed Cohn. I mean, he's breaking every single record imaginable. Um, I mean, I think the differentiator for me, if I had the first pick, I'd take hack for the reason that, um, I, I, I do believe he did it clean on the IPS side.

Um, he had arguably one of the greatest head-to-head battles in history against brett gibbs and one of the biggest episodes of all time um and then went over to the untested side and then just rewrote all the record books all the way from 181 up to 220 honestly i think he's just going to keep going i mean i see him obviously he's just now going into the 220 class um he's i assume i don't know if it's his goal but i could see him eventually going 242 and taking those records and so it's kind of one of those things that i think maybe i would argue if we look back in 20 years i think it's going to be a little bit easier of a debate and i think we're going to say john hack um as the overriding greatest of all time at least from our knowledge

right now but it's it's kind of weird to call him the greatest of all time for the fact that like he's still going like there's still more to come and relatively young still too. I think that's the other thing that's like, okay, like how crazy will this get? Assuming he can stay healthy. Well, that's,

I mean, I mean, both him and Ed, probably everyone we talked about on there. One of the biggest caveats is they stayed healthy. Like you're not going to be on the greatest of all time list. That's one of John and Ed's greatest strengths is not only were they really, really strong,

they stayed healthy consistently. One thing I would point out that you'd say is in favor of Ed between the two, because they're my number one and two also. So I get what you're saying about Ed getting popped on it on the IPF side. But like maybe he's a victim of the era by a little bit too, because like what percentage of those IPF lifters at that point in time were clean? Like I don't know what the answer to that is, but it seems like it was a little bit different point in time when that was more the norm, not saying it's right or wrong but like it just seemed like much more common in that era that was like oh it's like a silent agreement right

yeah we're kind of all yeah right yeah that is very true i have heard that i'm not as knowledgeable since only any of us around there but i definitely heard from people that that was kind of the situation back then that it was kind of like uh it's it's it's drug tested but not drug free where versus now right versus now it very for the most part it actually is pretty darn drug free right you're right okay so i'm next up at number three and i'm gonna take someone i listened to your episode on this and i i can't remember the exact order of everyone but i'm gonna take someone that I think is being taken quite a bit higher than what they were taking in your draft.

Maybe I'm wrong, but anyways, I'm going with Dan Bell. Highest ever total in wraps. Highest ever total in sleeves. And he's not a flash in the pan by any means. He's competed in I'm not sure how many meets at this point in time, And he's not a flash in the pan by any means. He's competed in I'm not sure how many meets at this point in time, but the fact that he has lifted more than any other lifter ever in both wraps and sleeves from a total, obviously not a dots or a coefficient perspective,

but just straight up total. And to me, that is a little bit of the name of the game in powerlifting. I'm going Dan Bell at number three. Yeah, I was hoping he would maybe fall to me again because I remember on, well, we did the draft. He fell onto my team and I was quite happy about that. Granted, it was third round, so I think picking male and female,

that probably would bump him down on two white lights. But I think it's a solid pick, especially when he goes super heavy. He is the strongest guy. And hopefully he finally likes me. He confessed to me that he didn't like me for a number of years. I'm like, what the fuck did I do? confessed to me that he didn't like me for a number of years. I'm like, what the fuck did I do? I was just sitting here

with a Chicago accent just making podcasts. He said, hey, you're that 14-year-old powerlifter. Yeah, it's like, I fucking hate teenagers. I'm like, all right. I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast.

Yeah, he just probably looked at you and was probably like, I hate everyone who's just smaller than me. Maybe that was it. I don't know. But I was hoping I could get some brownie points and just pick him again. But yeah, solid pick. Yeah, like you said, being the strongest guy, you know, wrapped and raw, like he goes into both categories. But I guess, I mean, for me, I get to kind of play my USAPL IPF elitist card here.

Just go Taylor Atwood again. Taylor Atwood would be my pick for going 1-1 again. And he has the most unprecedented total unprecedented total 74 kilos going 838 it's the greatest performance of all time but it's just not based on that performance alone he was doing things that thought were impossible you know two years two years ago in 2019 even totaling 790 people were putting him in GOAT category as far as powerlifters go. And he's just sandbagging meets now

and having the highest dots and whatever, good lift points on the men's side in the IPF. And when you take into account, if he goes into dots too, Taylor Atwood would be just, I think would he have a 600 dots steve or very close to it

taylor yeah he's gone over 600 dots he was the first usa pl or i drug tested lifter to go over 600 uh leah just joined him as the second person ever yeah so he's i think the tested goat right now. Um, and like that, that for me, like kind of takes the, uh, uh, a solid number one overall pick, but then I get the rollover effect too. And I get to get Ray Williams as my second raise.

Maybe who, that's why, that's why I love that. That's why I love the fourth. I love, I love getting last. Cause then I just get two solid graphics there, but Ray Williamsiams i mean depending on the year you're talking about greatest power lifter of all time to certain people and i think a lot of recency bias has kind of knocked him down

a little bit recently but he's a legend some of his accomplishments in power lifting are still held to this day it's like insane prestige, which is hard sport to do it in. But, you know, like even though he hasn't been the Ray that I grew up watching or like I got to support watching people just still know Ray of what he's done in the past IPF world

thousand pound squat what he does meant to the sport as well. So yeah, I got Taylor. I, Ray Williams, kind of rounding out the USAPL IPF elitist label. Well, I wouldn't. Staying true to your roots. I'd argue that's not even USAPL IPF elitist

because Taylor Atwood has the highest total tested or untested, regardless, by like 80 pounds. Yeah. That's crazy. He did that on a stiff bar in strict standards and it's 80 pounds more than anyone else and then ray same thing yeah to our way yeah to our way yeah and then ray you can basically say the same thing the only person that's beat him is dan bell and you could argue that 30 pounds is maybe a deadlift bar difference to an extent when you're deadlifting

800 plus pounds so like both of them like they aren't like they aren't even just like great for drug tested they're just great all time yeah i think that's true i would agree with very high on my list i'm disappointed okay so i'm the next pick coming back for my number two pick and the person i want to take next i i'm just trying to decide if i could who i think is next to me, but I do not think in either of Steve's next two picks he is going to take him. I have some slight concern that Tommy might take him in either of his two, but maybe not. But I'm going to take him anyways just because I don't – to make a point, I am going to take Dave Hoff.

The biggest powerlifting total ever, 3,103 pounds. biggest powerlifting total ever 3,103 pounds. He's been competing for 20 years, has complete competed in 60 plus meets. And I believe, I mean, obviously he competes in equipment, but has the highest dots number that's out there is I'm not positive on that last fact,

but I think that might be the case. And I would say for the two white lights guys benefit or anyone that's listening from that camp we're not huge multi-ply guys over here uh we've had a number of multi-ply guys on as guests and everything we don't worn equipment no never have but i just think uh it's not my favorite style of power lifting for sure i you know it's not i it's not what I enjoy watching the most by any means. I would also that Dave out of the multi-ply guys, his squats always look pretty good to me from what I've seen out of his, like relative to some other stuff. I know it's a

running joke out there, but Dave's in particular, like he hits some pretty good squats from what I've seen. And I just think that the biggest total of, uh, any power lifter ever over 3000 pounds. Like that's, that's why I'm going with the big Dave. I think when we did our two, I liked episode. That was like the person we were getting DM the most about just not,

not having them on any of our teams. And that was probably just true to the multi-play stigma on the two white lights. You know, like if you're a USAPL IPF elitist, like you're not going to take a whole lot of multi-play. But I mean, he is definitely in the conversation of greatest powerlifters of all time, especially within the era that he competed in.

Right. And yeah, it is a weird thing because, like I said, we don't necessarily, like that's not our particular cup of tea, but I can just wrap my head around the reasons. That's where I come up with it at. Well, we did say one thing interesting there. I'm sorry to cut you off there but uh he said like with the the his you know squat being legit and i would agree with

multi-ply squat like that was some of the one of the guys that i'm like yeah he has a solid lift but i think with that big record he had he just completely dropped his deadlift at the top and they gifted it to him yeah that was and that stuff in general does seem to be more likely to happen in a multi-ply meet than obviously in the time too right right yeah my only my only caveat my only caveat there with dave being that high is he definitely has the highest total ever it's i when we did our draft i did draft laura phelps because she i mean just far and above is the greatest female multi-ply lifter ever but i feel like she was dominant during the

era that multi-ply was popular my only issue i mean this is this is this is being a little picky is that dave was kind of after and uh this i love competition i love direct head-to-head competition he never really had anyone pushing him, which maybe you could argue that was actually even more impressive that he wasn't really having anyone pushing him. He still did what he did. But I think if you go back, there are some multi-ply lifters that I might credit a bit in the fact that they were actually going

direct head-to-head against the other best lifters in the world when multi-ply was kind of like the standard. Yeah, I think that's a good point. That brings up the thing. It'd be awesome to see Dave compete in wraps or sleeves once. I don't think that's something that would ever happen, but it would be really cool

to see where he does shake out against those ones. But yeah, that's a good point. Also, quick shout-out here. I'm on open powerlifting I just searched Dave Hoff 19 years old Texas 324 dots so shout out to him

on powerlifting that's the first Dave Hoff that I get other Dave Hoff yeah other Dave Hoff when you see Dave Hoff on you're like holy shit and then you look, you know, a team lifter. Okay. So now we're back to Big Steve.

All right. Well, I'm just going to end up drafting my same team again, I guess, because I'm going Sergey Fedeshenko, which there might be a lot of people listening to this that have no idea what that name is. And it sounds crazy, but, I's, he's probably, I mean, we talked about some to our life. I would take him over Taylor Atwood.

He's the greatest IPF lifter in history. Um, I don't even know how many IPF titles he has because he's gotten, he basically wins every single year in the 59 kilo class in the single ply and the raw division he's won the world games i think multiple times he's won best lifter overall multiple times in both single ply and and raw i mean he's he's the most single he's the most dominant lifter in ipf ever and you could argue and he's a 59 kilo lifter which i think is valid i mean the fact of the matter is the lower the weight classes you get you get to a point where it's just not competitive but the thing is is his totals are comparative to people up a weight class and he wins by 60 to 70 kilos every single

time it's not even close like he's just in a league of his own completely and if you're if you're taking like coefficient score like i said he's one best overall lifter at IPF world on the single ply side and the raw side, um, regardless of weight class, just using coefficient score. So, um, yeah, I mean, and then doing it forever. What since 2002. So he's been going since 2002 until still going today. Yeah. What weight class is he? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well, Angela, what were you going to say about that? Yeah, the messonomics boys. I'm like, they kind of made an argument that they shouldn't exist. Right.

Because what weight class is he? 56 kilos. I usually would agree. He's the one outlier, in my opinion. Otherwise, I would completely agree there. But he's just the outlier in the fact that the dude has a 1478 total weighing 128 pounds. Most people agreed with that statement that we put out. The only flack we took

from people was girlfriends of guys that lift in those classes and guys that lift in those classes. It was a very small group. There's only 10 of them that exist. Literally and figuratively. It was a really small group. What's going to really happen to you if you insult a 59 kilo male?

It's not a whole lot. Shoe fly. On top of that, Steve, I love the second contradiction. Yeah, I know know it's coming so yeah he did he did get popped and it seemingly kind of got covered up yeah uh how convenient and i mean he's from russia what i mean yeah well it's crazy though he's 59, apparently taking some performance-sensing drugs and still 59 kilos.

Yeah, geez. That's impressive. He is really short, though. When you look at the squat stand, it is on the very bottom. It's like, is somebody coming to bench for us here? I know. I think our bench is probably higher. I think it's probably higher when we bench. Yeah.

All right. Get it going. Get it going get it going just more 59 kilo hate uh my turn yep you got double double i'm i'm actually going to keep us in russia while we're at it here and say andre milanichev okay and this guy if you want to talk longevity he's not competing anymore. But if you look in open powerlifting, his first meet is all the way back in 98. His last one is in 2019. Still placed first in that very first one. He probably has, I don't know, 40 or 50. 60 plus meets.

60 plus. Okay. I didn't count them all because there's so many here. Where Tanner and I were talking about this, where guys that are in the untested side where it's a little different is when you go the tested route, you can always say like winning a national title is a big deal, especially in America. You have quality competition. Winning a world title is always a big deal because it's the world. The untested side, they don't do that good a job at getting all the biggest names together so having big meats to your name

is a little tougher to do but you could say he is he won like the heaviest meat ever two times in a row big dogs one and big dogs two he won both of those and big dogs one he had a total of 2500 he might have been the first guy was he the first guy to break 2500 first ever to break 2500 okay which i think that's a huge barrier right there. Um, yeah, his, his biggest totals, uh, with raps being 25, 13. I mean, the guy is kind of a, a, a living legend of powerlifting. We got to be with him in the animal cage a few years ago, right in front of him, take some pictures. I don't think talk to him a little bit. He doesn't speak English very well, but, uh, kind of a he he what from what we

could tell he seemed like a really nice guy yeah very uh like the like the gentle giant yes yes but no doubt ridiculous longevity ridiculous competition resume and i think he started ipf also too you know if you know a lot of these people yeah actually it is start then make that transition in 98 world juniors ipf he is one guy too where you know towards the end of his career if you're to talk physiques he he does look somewhat unassuming yeah if you find footage of him from back in the day he looked he is jacked he's huge i always wondered too because i don't know how true this was but i heard that like in russia they get paid for each world record so he would just kind of sandbag it and only break it by like

two and a half kilos each time so he kept it getting, I don't know how true that is, but I always felt like he never fully unleashed his potential. Like I always wondered, I always wondered what he could have done because he kind of, unfortunately like kind of sputtered out before I really feel like he put together like the, I wonder how that would compare to like what Dan Bell is doing. Cause I always felt like Andre left so much in the tank that I always

wondered if he went all out, what would that total event? Yeah. And I think he kind of got the injury bug towards the end there where he just couldn't quite get over the hump. So we would have had to have their primes, Dan and Andre's primes perfectly lined up to really push those two, which would have been the,

you know, which would have been the ultimate test to see. So what, what do you got next coming back? So this is first pick of round three. First pick of round three. I was really hoping there'd be some more surprises because it's actually shook out almost exactly how I expected so far.

I'm really torn on this one. I'm going to go Donnie Thompson, Mr. 3K. Tanner, you kind of one-upped me with Dave Hoff being that he did sort of, I mean, he does have the higher total. But again, Donnie Thompson. So being the first to do it, I do think is a huge barrier there. Also with Donnie, if we're talking powerlifting, he's had a, outside of just strictly competing,

he's had a ton of contributions to powerlifting in general, which I think does help contribute to him being one of the greatest power lifters of all time. So I'm going to go Donnie Thompson on this one. He does give us some shit sometimes, and I'm not sure in what vein it's always it, like what position he's coming from, but I won't,

we guess I won't hold that against him too much. What do you guys think of that one would be the more interesting take? I think I won't hold that against them too much. What do you guys think of that one? It would be the more interesting take. I think... I'm not against Dave Hoff since he has destroyed every record ever, but going a second multi-ply lifter in top three is...

I think you're... Yeah, I don't know. I can't go there. Give them their one little take, but that was about it. I don't know. I mean, there's some multi-fly lifters I might have above him there. But, you know, I mean, I don't want to like, you know, give up the draft potentially for other people.

I'm just, I don't know. Again, I guess with just like the one raw he meets it raw meat he did was a 512 stops so you know I get that like information of my disposal and it doesn't make me feel good when the five twelve that one the five twelve dollars is the raw total and no mean to brag here but his deadlift was slightly above mine. So it just kind of like that

goes along with it. I mean still a massive total on there but we're going based on formulas and so I mean that's the legend but I don't know as far as multi-players go there was two guys that I might have picked above

him, potentially. Just in that division alone. But I mean, yeah, you're not going to see a whole lot of equipment on my draft board anyway. Okay. All right. So Big Steve, back to you. All right. I'm picking a guy that I really

regretted not taking in the two white lights draft, and some old-timers really gave me flack on it because, honestly, I think he could be taken top three, and there is zero kickback, if you really know about him, is Mike Bridges. Anyone want to say they actually know who Mike Bridges is? I wonder if we've done a lifting legends post on

Mike Bridges. Mike Bridges. Yeah, so Mike Bridges, I had heard about him, and it wasn't until I got a little more information, I'm like, okay, if we do this draft, I cannot not draft Mike Bridges, because he honestly could probably go top three.

From what I understand, if you grew up in the era of him like he was egg cone two like he was one a and one b with egg cone it's just for some reason ed i think probably because he he stayed a little bit more involved kind of retained the goat title um people from that time swear that mike bridges could easily out total taylor atwood and russ or he right now if he wanted to. Um, I mean,

if you're going back, I mean, he was back in the eighties back when it was single ply, but it was back when like supposedly single ply was just like the nice Titan singlets. Now he totaled, uh, mid 1800s at one 65 and he totaled 2,100 at one 81.

And this is also on crap equipment on those little squat squat rack stands all that kind of stuff um and i think he only lost like one time one meet ever like only like one time ever did he ever not finish first in a meet there's something crazy like that like i if you if you talk to someone who was because he only computed ipf and us uspf i think in usap which the the those were all the the ipf federations he never did any of the untested side uh but the fact that he seemingly was completely drug free and doing those numbers at that time is absolutely insane and honestly i think if there was a little bit more background on him, he probably would be going top three

in the GOAT status. People just don't know about him. I think that's a solid pick there. That's good. As far as some of those OGs, too. Background to me for my third pick. I'm stuck between two guys and I'm just trying to think if Angelo is going to pick

either of them. Angelo, could you tell me the two guys you're thinking about picking next? I'm thinking of Jero Dionio and who else here?

Evan Cardone. And my friend Evan Cardone. Those are my two guys. The Cardore. If you want to take those, I'll fight you for it. Do you know that we've had Evan Cardone on the podcast as a guest in the past? I heard.

There's no fucking way I'm listening to the podcast there's no way I'm listening to that but I heard like oh correct me if I'm wrong you tried to get him to talk about Garrett and he just wouldn't do it yeah we kind of were goading him into things the whole time and he he uh actually forgot about that yeah that's been a while the only thing I remember the thing that stuck out the most to me was he had a signature scent, a cologne. He was pitching his cologne. Yeah, he was pitching his cologne, and that blew my mind.

Was it vodka-scented? You know the biggest thing, not to shit on him too much, but I felt kind of bad because he was so deeply concerned with the number of followers that he had on instagram to a level that i haven't really like it and like so genuinely concerned that i hadn't really i could just hear it in his voice and like the way he was talking very specific with like yeah numbers and i was just like that is an unhealthy level of like

and i get it to people people use this to make money and you know, we're, we're guilty of the same thing, but like it just felt like personal and I don't know. I didn't, it didn't feel, I didn't feel good about the way he felt. We can move on.

We can move on. Okay. So I'm going to go with, okay, I'm going to go to fill out my roster right now. I've got Dan Bell, biggest total ever at Raw and in Wraps. I've got Dave Hoff, biggest total ever in Multiplie. So I'm going to go Blaine Sumner, biggest ever single-ply total.

That's my justification. I just want all the biggest totals of all time on my list, and the next one to knock off would be Blaine. And he was actually next on my list. So I thought I, on that lead up, I make sense, but I thought you were just going to go all D's and go Dan green.

I thought you were just going to make sure to have the big D team. Not yet. I still, he's still on there, but no, I'm going Blaine Sumner, the vanilla gorilla. Yeah.

That's a good pick. That was one that we, we didn't draft on the two white lights. How did he not get drafted? Yeah, I was looking to redeem my... I mean, somehow you saw through my ploy here and you didn't believe Daryl Pagano and Evan Cardon being picked there. But yeah, that was legit going to be my next pick.

Great pick. I mean, again, with me, it would have been great to have Ray Williams and Blaine Sumner on my team. That would have just been also just like Taylor Atwood, Ray Williams, Blaine Sumner, just the USA, all-American USAPL powerhouse. Like, it's Team America right there.

When I think of three men competing in the USAPL, it's like those three guys. Especially because of how absolute badass Blaine Sumner was at IPF Worlds, where he was just talking shit to the Russian lifters and bringing a flag on the platform when he wasn't supposed to.

Yeah, and cover his face in chalk because there's only so many forms of expression he could get away with. It's like most American moments. That one's top five for me. It's right up there with Storming the Beach in Normandy. Just like that. Blame Sumner.

Just all like the dream team. And then Blame... Yeah. It's a miracle on ice. Blame Sumner is up there as well. Yeah, excellent pick. I'm going to go old school on this one.

Kind of piggybacking off Steve. Gene Bell would be my next pick. Gene Bell, very similar to Mike Bridges, like competing since the 70s and the numbers he was putting up at like 181 pounds was ridiculous and we don't know like well i mean we do have an idea it was pretty much raw and he was doing

things that we really we really can't fathom like right now it's it's it actually insane to like see his career um like if you just go into open powerlifting it's just awesome like i love doing that let's go into open powerlifting and checking out these old school powerlifters like you know the years they competed and the numbers they were putting up and trying to equate it to like what it would mean now and what would happen if like you were able to give them um like the same equipment and the same type of training because everything's under like single ply but it's it's raw lifting it just is um absolute legend also uh it's like he turned into my best friend at nationals because he wanted to get a cigar with me and he messaged me about getting cigars a lot and i'm like this is amazing i didn't know this would happen that

me and dean bell would be sharing cigar on a balcony in daytona and him messaged me about getting cigars a lot and I'm like, this is amazing. I didn't know this would happen. That means Gene Bell will be sharing cigar on a balcony in Daytona and him just messaging me like, hey, the next time you're in Texas, get a cigar. I'm like, this is cool. As well as he's still more jacked than everyone. Oh, yeah.

At 60 years old, I wish I could do half the stuff he's doing. Apparently, there's stories of him just overhead pressing insane numbers and benching insane numbers at TSS. Currently. Currently at his age. And he looks just amazing. Yep.

Yeah, I think he's in his 60s. Well into his 60s. It's ridiculous. His longevity in his career, uh, for my next pick, God, it would have been so good to have Blaine Sumner.

Uh, you know, I'm going to go Bill Kazmaier. Oh, good, good choice. You know, I just picked him.

I picked him. I picked Bill Kazmaier. There's a person who I potentially would have picked over him, but I won't get, uh, you know, too deep into it. But Bill Kazmaier, again, absolute legend in the sport crossover success as well. Um, no, I don't, do you guys know he's in the WCW? He was a wrestler. He was a professional wrestler. Like I don't think I knew that. I, I didn't, I mean, he wasn't quite like, he wasn't like the big superstar thing,

but still like he was on WCW, like, and that was his gimmick, his world's strongest man, kind of like before the Mark Henry thing happened. But I mean, just a complex and powerlifting and strong and as well, a just an absolute unit of a man and definitely I think in the GOAT conversation. Yeah, he did also in the WCW, he challenged the champ Lex Luger multiple

times and he played college football at Wisconsin and tried out for the Green Bay Packers in 1981. Yeah, this unit, you know, unit of a man and also top five powerlifting name right yeah that's why i named my dog after him he's one oh he's a one-name guy and you know who you're talking about he'd probably be i mean the fact of the matter is strong name i think he would

be the great i think him and zadrunas zavikas are the two strongest human beings to ever walk this planet but they made more money doing strongman so why do power lifting right um they probably chose the right thing to do i mean i have another person who i think is up there with them but uh it might it might be picked in the draft if if you want to pick piss me off you could pick this person because i think i know you i think you know me well enough to know who i'm thinking about i don't know but i know who I'm thinking about. I don't know, but I know who I'm picking next that Tanner doesn't pick. I'm up right now for my fourth

round back around. I'm going to go Uri Belkin. That's who I was going to take. I think he's a good... In the fourth round, I think I would have had him maybe slightly higher in my own personal list. He should have gone higher than two multi-ply lifters. So I'm going to Uri Belkin.

I think of men raw with wraps, second highest dots of all time, I believe. And he competed. He also used to compete tested, drug tested. Maybe who knows about drug free, but, you know, he made those transitions of doing both, which a lot of these really good guys that we've mentioned have. And, you know, he's pretty iconic in the sport of powerlifting. You know, I'm not sure how many meets he competed and how long his run was, but there was certainly a point in time here where it seemed like every big meet, if Yuri was coming, he was going to win it.

I mean, I honestly, I, I, I was looking through people and I was like, I don't know why I didn't take him round three. Cause I think he could have gone in the first round. Like,

I mean, if hack didn't exist, Yuri, I mean, it's almost like hack kind of made Yuri made Yuri seem not as goat-esque. If it wasn't for John Hack, I think Yuri could very arguably be the goat of this generation and

would have been the second pick. Yep. I think so too. Big Steve, back to you. Well, now I've got to think because that was my pick. I'm debating now between a couple people. I don't know if I'm going to do I stick to Natty elitism or do I branch out? Because I basically I guess I'm going to be Natty elitist because I was really mad that I didn't take this person the last time.

person uh the last time and if we do an instagram vote i am for sure losing like there's no way i'm winning with sergey fetish uh fetishenko mike bridges and now yaroslav olik i don't know who that is he's arguably the greatest uh most accomplished single ply lifter of all time okay okay that's probably why i don't know. We're talking 30 years of world championships or something crazy like that. Let me pull it up. Yaroslav Oleg. He's not at 120 pounds, is he? No, no.

He's 75 kilos. 163. 74 kilos. He's been competing since 1993 and he's still his last world championship was in 74 kilo. He's been competing since 1993, and he's still, his last world championship was in 2018. I believe he's won the world games before.

Yeah, he's definitely won the world games. One, two, three. We're talking, he won the world games in 2009, and he won the world games in 2017. If you go to Jaroslaw Olek's open powerlifting, it's probably the most insane open powerlifting thing you've ever seen. You just keep scrolling.

And it's just all first, first, first, first, first, first, first, first, first, every single time. Well, that sounds like a solid pick. I would like this to be put to a poll though yeah yeah the funny thing is

we got like a lot of USAPL single ply lifters mad at us and kind of like none of their lifters were mentioned on it it's funny because the same exact thing is going to happen with this we didn't mention enough of them we just kind of stuck to the names because the same exact thing is going to happen with this. We didn't mention enough of them.

We just kind of stuck to the names. Right. Okay, so we're back to Tommy for your final two. Yeah, final two. This is getting tougher. All the obvious, the most obvious ones are gone now. I think so. I was really hoping maybe a few more would fall through the cracks here. I think I'm going to kind of end with two wild cards here.

And the first one I'm going to go with is Zahir Khodroyev. I did have Zahir on my list of ones to consider. Kill, I think, kill. I mean, presence alone on social media was, he had it going on for a couple years, though. He had the whole image thing down. He was also, before Uri popped up, like, what, in the late teens there? He had the best coefficient score.

He had the best coefficient of all men for several years. So, really impressive performance. I mean, his best total ever, 24.52. And that was at, what was his body weight on that uh i'm kidding if i'm trying to look at my lifting here like 308 yeah right in that area um so yeah i mean just crazy strong he did feel like he was one of those guys that sort of popped up and disappeared pretty fast yeah yeah that, I think that's the biggest thing he has going against him, but man, when he was around, well,

that is a lot. It's bad too. Like that's the biggest thing I had going against him. It was like being high, high, high water and getting every, every call. It comes with the territory there.

Yeah. What's your, yeah. It's like team high squat. What's it? What's the, what's, what's your team? squat. What's your team? Who do you have so far? Tommy?

So first I had Ed Cohn, and then I had Donnie Thompson, and then now I have Zaheer. I'm going big weights here, guys. You need to draft Ahmet Sapir next, and then you really got it. That's a name I haven't heard in a while. I kind of forgot about him. All right. Final one.

Final entry in the draft. So this is somewhat in the same vein as Kaz, and I'm going to take the approach of not only was this person incredibly strong, but they maybe are one of the most well-rounded strength athletes of all time. And I'm going to go Mikhail Koklyaev on this one. Impressive powerlifting background, but he had a crazy carryover between strongman, Olympic lifting, and powerlifting altogether.

He had some some big achievements in all all three there so i'm gonna go misha on my final pick yep and he's a fun guy and he's a cool guy yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean that was kind of like bill is that he it's like you wonder what would have happened if he had i mean if he had only done power lifting yeah i mean we've probably talking about him higher up. If you're strong enough, maybe you can do things that actually make you money versus just powerlifting. McHale, highest super total of all time.

Yes. Did you say that? No, I didn't. Highest super total of all time, which would be weightlifting and powerlifting together. He beat Mark Henry, second highest of all time. I was about to say, we're done with the draft officially, correct? No, we got to go around.

Tommy just did his fifth. Okay, never mind. All right. Well, it's going to me. I don't think I'm going to take him, but I know exactly who Angelo has been talking about and who I think Angelo is just like, his hand is in his pants and he can't stop thinking about it. but I know exactly who Angelo has been talking about and who I think Angelo is just like, he is just, his hand is in his pants and he can't stop thinking about it.

So I'm not going to take Mark Henry, but Tanner, if you want to take him, Angelo will cry on air and it will be the best soundbite possible to promote this, promote this podcast. So, ah,

gosh, I'm debating. I've got, I've got three three people i'll say all three out loud don reinhout stan efforting or christoph where's vicky my issue with christoph is i don't think he was natural i don't think he ever was uh that didn't, but Sergey... We know for a fact that he... Alright, I'm going Stan Efferding. I know. It's a good pick. Because he still

had... If you go back and you go on Open Powerlifting, if you go search by Dots or Wilks, almost all of them now are going to be within the last three or four years because the standards raised so much. Stan is one of the few that still is mixed in that top 50 that you can go back 10 years, as well as maybe it's just nostalgia.

But I think a lot of us are sitting here right now because of Stan Efferty. Him and Dan Green were the ones that really, I feel like, started the Raw revolution because we saw these massively jacked dudes lifting a lot of weights and making it look cool like oh you don't have to be this fat slob um you can actually look really good and be really really strong and it's tough to say between dan and dan and uh stan it's hard to say those two words back and back i i just feel like stan has a little bit of a a lasting memory in the sense of like maybe maybe it's it's it's prediction but he he did power thing for a time did what he wanted to and left i feel like if he stuck around there could have been more um and that's where i feel like i i could see him even though accomplishing more if he had

wanted to kind of like bill could have done more m Mikhail Kuklaev could have done more. I really think Stan could have done even more too if he really wanted to, but he went back to bodybuilding and he went more into his businesses. But if I'm looking at lasting effect as well as the fact that his totals still stand as some of the greatest ever, Stan Everding. I think Stan's a good choice. And I like your comparison of Dan Green. I put those two right next to each other on my list.

Same here. And I wrote something beside everyone. And with with those two i just said game changer because like yeah there's weights lifted are one thing but it's like the bigger picture to those two guys both is just like how they shaped the sport in the period of time that they became what they were and the way that they looked was just so important to that and i think that that's a good choice i don't know how dan and stan are like in the same, it'd be tough for me to pick one over the other because I think they're so similar in that way.

Yeah, if we did gym lifts, Dan would win. Dan is the all-time gym lift man. It's just, it's been so unfortunate not to see that always transfer to the platform, which, uh, that's part of power lifting though. Again, that's another reason I go with Stan is Stan is a, he, that makes sense. I don't want to say Dan green wasn't a game day performer. He had some amazing meats, but, uh,

wouldn't he always do like 25 pound weight cuts though? And didn't that always kind of kill him? I don't remember. Yeah. i don't even think i think back then at that point when i was watching uh jim mcdonald's super training youtube channel i didn't know what weight cuts were i just saw them lifting heavy weights yeah that's fair okay so my last pick i want uh an old school guy in mind and i've got two that i like uh First of all, the one I'm not going to pick is Kirk Karwalski, Captain Kirk. The one that I am going to pick is Larry

Pacifico. And Larry won nine straight IPF World Championships. He won a total of 102 powerlifting meets. He set 54 world records. I mean, obviously he's re-breaking a lot of his own records. And a fun additional tidbit, in 1964,

he won New York High School Athlete of the Year. So I'm going Larry Pacifico as my final pick and kind of my old school. That's a good closer. Yeah. But 102, he won 102 meets. That doesn't even make sense. That's a lot.

Yes, that's crazy. Well, you said a name. It's amazing. If Angelo doesn't now draft Kurt Kowalski, I'm going to be upset that no one drafted Kurt Kowalski though because that would be someone left off this list that I would be very disappointed but I can understand Larry Pacifico

too. I mean, actually, there's two people. I mean, there's Kirk Kowalski and also Eric Lillibridge. Yeah, he'd be the next one I have on my list. That's kind of like who I'm going back and forth on right now is Lillibridge and Kowalski. I guess I'll have to say Mark Henry, which is a damn shame because Mark Henry, I think, is the best crossover athlete

in train sports history and also when you take into account his professional wrestling success. He's in the zone his entire life. But, ooh, I gotta make a decision here. Eric Littlebridge or Kurt Kowalski? I'm gonna go Eric Littlebridge just based on

familiarity. I would be a phony if I was going to say Kirk. Being honest, like, I knew of Kirk, like, when I started to get more involved in powerlifting. But Eric Lillibridge was someone, like, I just started, like, when I first started powerlifting, there was very little names I knew. The Lillibridges were them. someone like i just started like when i first started powerlifting there was very little names i knew the little bridges were um possibly because i'm from illinois and you know they were at they're actually at my all of them were at my first meet which is kind of insane um but uh like he was the guy at the time and he was considered i think the best at the time, and you take it to compliment his numbers. Definitely a GOAT status. So, yeah.

That's my final pick. I like that one. I think that's a good one to round it out. Can we throw some honorable mentions out there? Yeah, I was going to say, everyone should probably at least pick at least one of their honorable mentions that they feel like should... Oh, let's do a couple. Let's throw a couple. We don't have to go in depth, but I think we should just throw a couple. Yeah, Mark Henry for sure for me.

Mark Henry thrown in there. That's a good honorable mention. I had, I mean, or go ahead. Go ahead, Steve. Well, I was going to say, obviously Kirk.

That was, he could easily have gone the first couple rounds and that wouldn't be reach at all. Don Reinhout is one of those people that you could say just well-rounded strength athlete i mean he had i think he had the highest total raw of all time it lasted until like the late 2010s like i think andre was the one to finally

beat him like it lasted from the 70s all the way to like 2016 or something crazy like that i believe i might be wrong on that but it was something insane like that. Like he, he held the raw world record total for like 30 plus years. Uh, and also world's strongest man. Yeah. I think that's good.

What do you got Tommy? So longevity killed the argument against this one is longevity, but Jesse Norris, I think could make it. I thought about him, but there's the lack of longevity. That is what hurts that one. The fact is, I agree with that, and he never actually did that good in an actual meet.

All of his best meets, it was at a local Idaho meet, and it was at Reebok Record Breakers. Every single time he went to an actual like USAPL Nationals, he would total like 150 pounds less. I think we said on Two White Lights, one of the episodes is like the best

the best like peak in powerlifting, the best prime. Like there was no one better for like a two year span. Oh yeah, it was insane for a little bit there who who else you got anyone besides on on your uh honorable mention list uh so i would put this one more in the legend status as far as the the aura around the guy and that'd be constantine constance to tobs or however you say that last name okay the guy had like the physique

that was like evil super villain look. He has that video. Does he have that video where he does? It's like 60 strict pull-ups or something like that. It's something insane. It doesn't make any sense. And he was one of the first guys that you would see videos of. What was the deadlift?

Did he have like a 900? Like 903. He was like one of the first guys that actually you saw had a video doing that. Yeah. And this is my, you know, he didn't, you know, he didn't wear a belt. You know, he'd say had a video doing that. Yeah. And this is my, you know, he didn't, you know,

he didn't wear a belt, you know, he'd say, this is my belt. Yeah. He had that whole thing too. Yeah. I think that's good.

I, um, you know, we do have the reputation of making fun of the little guys in there, but I did have precious McKenzie, the one 23 world record holder total since 1979. Really? Yeah. Like he has held that record for that long

which that means something to me that long and then what about I don't know him that well but is it Hideki Inaba nobody took him right I don't know that much also another smaller guy but I think he's got a whole bunch of meats to his belt and I just don't know enough about his background then the last one that i would throw in there

not specifically to any exact individual accomplishments but chuck vogelpoel i think just has like a yeah a mystique around him that one yeah that was my list i mean the mystique is if he had ever actually like peaked and tapered into a meet, he probably would have been the greatest multi-ply lifter ever. And I think that's true. Of his supposed gym lifts, the supposed gym lifts, which I don't see why they would lie about the supposed gym lifts. Like he just never really like tried to do good at a meet in the sense of like what we do now. Like he just would just be an idiot in the the gym and just show up in the meet and never be his strongest.

Yeah. Anyone else that anyone has that they feel like they have to mention? Lamar Gantz. Yeah, that was a guy I was thinking of. For a guy who's kind of creeping up in the

status who, I don't know if he would be top five, but I don't know who knows what's going to happen in five years, is Blakely Hugh. Blakely Hugh can legit get into some GOAT status because of what he's done on the IPF side. Oh, Angelo? Steve, are you still? Yeah, I'm still here.

I mean, you can only expect so much from Angelo's iPhone 6. It lasted an hour. I mean, that was really stretching the hope there. We did pretty good for quite a while there. Yeah. Anyone else that you had, Steve, in the honorable mention, or did we hit most of them? I think we hit most of them. I mean, I could go on for a while i've got a whole list but i think those i mentioned all the ones that i think that i feel like could have easily been drafted the rest are

i mean i i can't i i think we we had a pretty good list other than that so i i think the biggest one is kirk i i feel like i'm almost semi regretting the the the Stan nostalgia pick over Kirk's actual accolades, but I'll stick by Stan's nostalgia because of the fact of what he did for the sport. I think that does kind of play into the GOAT status because we think a lot back to NFL or NBA players, and a lot of the people we remember aren't only the best, but also the people that change the game the most. Okay, that's good. Do you think we need to recap like real quickly everyone's team then or do we i mean is that for the people to listen and

know do we want to make some do we uh do we want to just make some graphics that we post i've got yeah i don't know if you guys wrote it down i actually in my little spreadsheet i i have it all tracked i can share that with you okay um but if we want to just make some graphics and we can just share it that's easy for people to be able to pull it up while they listen as well as they can vote for my team and choose me as the winner. Yeah. Should we try and get Angelo

back quick to wrap it up? Angelo, you're not there, are you? Yeah, I'm over here. He's been talking this whole time. He still hasn't taken a breath yet. He's still talking this whole time. He still hasn't taken a breath yet. He's still talking about Mark Henry. Steve, hang on for just a second.

I'm going to try him here quick. Okay. Okay. Please leave your message for 630. That phone's really dead i guess um he actually actually yeah i'm still here he actually was having phone issues today i forgot about that i make fun of his iphone 6 all the time but he actually was legitimately having phone issues today so he might just be gone okay well that's all right i guess yeah we can yeah we can uh we can wrap up without him I suppose anyways there was although

there was one thing I was saving for the end that would really be a lot more fun if it was both of you guys on so that's tough for me right now I could I was going to try to push a couple of his buttons in a fun way and it's unfortunate that maybe I'll still do it anyways for the sake

of people listening and that he's not here to defend himself or maybe that's even a better time. Yeah, that's even better. So, you know, everyone was on the table for greatest of all time. You know, none of the four of us on this show did get picked, but I did do, Steve, I know you're kind of a stats guy. You look up the numbers. I did up, add up the massonomics podcast, open powerlifting totals and put them against the two white lights podcast, powerlifting totals. And, um, by a very pretty narrow margin in just strictly total of pounds between the best meats of each of the four of us, the Mass Dynamics podcast did. Did we? We edged it out very closely. And I'm speaking only in terms of total,

no coefficient scoring. How much did you win by? How much did you win by? It was small. It was like 50 pounds or less. I honestly don't remember. I did it a few days ago, but it was not significant.

It was close. Just hanging on. Well, we still got time, and I can promise you, we're going to work incredibly, incredibly hard for Angelo to add 50 pounds to the total. And also I would

make sure to point out that coefficient scoring is not allowed in this particular comparison. Got it. No Wilks in the podcast jungle? No. There's no Wilks in the podcast jungle no there's no wilks in the podcast jungle and among other things there is cpaps in the podcast jungle and all you can eat buffets all right well this was really good we uh i think this was a lot of fun i think people will enjoy

this yeah we'll have to hook up with you and get those lists out so we can put some graphics. This will come out next week. And we'll see who everyone thinks has the best GOAT powerlifting team. Sounds good. Hey, one other thing. We'll just let you play this. We do kind of, by law on our show, have to play overrated, underrated. And we'll do a relatively quick version. And I was going to make you two answer these at the same time almost like a couple's thing and uh see if you had the same

answers or not but we'll just do it with uh just you steve so this is an overrated underrated that's specific to this particular episode here and have you heard the show before have you did you listen yeah yeah so you're maybe familiar with the rules here that, uh, you, uh, have to decide if each one's over underrated, you have your druthers to elaborate as much as little as you would like. And you just ultimately have to know you can't ride the line. You have to come up with a overrated or underrated for each one. Got it. So over under the term goat, completely overrated because we literally just talked about what 20 20 people being the greatest of all time and the greatest of all time is a single is a singular thing it's it's the only the only thing we joke about it lately on our on uh our story is the only thing worse

than goat right now is called is saying i'm him that that's worse than goat goat is still more goat is still more overrated because it's overused and I'm him's new but yeah it's way overrated I'm him is way worse I think I agree yeah that's not don't say that okay overrated or underrated

Tom Brady underrated there's someone that maybe is deserving of that particular title. It's rare when someone actually gets it. I can't go overrated because there's no way you can overrate someone who's won seven Super Bowls in an era where winning one is unreal. He's underrated in the sense that he's

so far beyond anyone ever in in football like it's not even thinking back on it it's not even feasible like that someone could win seven super bowls over a 20 something year span in the modern day age it doesn't really make sense especially when he runs like a 5 4 40 yeah yes the game of skill overrated or underrated ed cone i'm gonna i'm gonna say overrated i'm gonna say it's gonna ruffle some feathers yeah i'm saying that because i mean i do think i i would i mean i think he's top three greatest powerhouses of all time but i think he's overrated in the sense of that. The fact of like,

it's just to become kind of the thing just to call him the goat versus like actually having like analytical data of comparing it. And like, it's just like, Oh, Ed Cohn's the goat. And you ask like a lot of power lifters to explain why. And like,

Oh, I just been told he was. So that's my reason for saying overrated. I think a lot of power, if this couldn't even explain to you why he's the GOAT. They just say it because they think they're supposed to. I think there's something there. Okay. So the Mass Anomics podcast is well represented here.

The Two White Lights podcast has been well represented here. So obviously overrated or underrated, King of the Lifts podcast. Yeah, we're about to go overrated. Overrated simply because their USAPL preview show, they just read off the qualifying totals and basically ranked it off of that. I'll call it overrated simply for the fact that that

was one of the worst preview shows I've ever heard in my life. It's fun. We can get two podcasts against one. I'm going to team up on them. Angelo's now texting, did I get kicked or did the

call fail? We need to just band together and say he got kicked because we decided it was over for him. Don't say the call failed. Say that it was time for him to go. Nah, he didn't miss much here. You handled overrated and underrated very well, even in his

absence. I don't even know if you need him for two white lights anymore. I don't either. Honestly, it's, it's been something where I, I mean, Steve, after we actually literally talked about on the pot,

we recorded, this is my third podcast today. FYI, that's gotta be some kind of record. We did two white lights as well. And then I was on another one for some business podcast. But we talked about that. We might just need to start a singular Steve after dark,

50 minute segment where I just do a solo, solo talk where you talk like gently and closely into the microphone. Yeah. Just, just some smooth talking. Maybe that's our Patreon subscription. Um, what,

uh, what should anyone know? You know, where, where do people check out two white lights or, uh, where do, uh, how about people getting to your coaching or white lights or, uh, where do, uh,

how about people getting to your coaching or anything else that you guys, or anything else that maybe Angela would say if he was still here too? Um, well, first is to describe since you probably guys have never really dug into this. Um, there are three white lights and power lifting from one from each judge and you need to get at least two for a good lift.

Um, so that's why we're two white lights. We teeter on the side of good. But yeah, just search two white lights. You'll find podcasts and everything, and we've got, I think it's on Apple, Spotify, all that kind of stuff. So if you love Masonomics, you'll love two white lights.

If you love two white lights, you'll love Masonomics. We have fun with it versus just being bland and boring. But yeah, we appreciate it. We love having this little banter back and forth and this is this an hour of uh civility and and tolerance of you guys was good but i mean once i hang up the phone it's back to back to work yeah yeah that's right what about your what about your coaching uh you can find pr's performance um i i probably actually won't probably take on new athletes for a year so i'm not here to i i am i'm full not particularly relevant well it's like a tease

thing yeah yeah it's like yeah it's like a tease like they can't have you want if you want me you can't have me but i like that i still put out a lot of free stuff um just because that's how i'm able to reach a broader audience so and then angelo if you want to see him sumo deadlift, he posts that like six times a week for a clickbait. So you can go to 14opower on Instagram. He rips a 700-pound deload deadlift and throws his belt across the room, that poor belt. Yeah.

And then he occasionally posts bench just for Mental Health Awareness Week to say that he's doing okay. Okay. Well, that's good stuff. This is a good episode. We appreciate you coming on. This is fun.

Y'all, thank you for having us. Now, come up with some more good ideas, and we'll steal those from you, too. Perfect. That's how it works. All right. Thanks, Steve. All right.

See you. See you. Cool beans. Cool beans. See ya. See ya. One cool beans for Angelo. One cool beans for Steve. They split them. They have to share those. We're not double helping there. They got to share.

Let me give you the quick rundown since he sent it to you just so you can hear it. Tommy, your team. Ed Cohn, Andre Milanochev, Donnie Thompson, Zaheer, and Mikhail. You have a lot of foreign people.. You have a lot of foreign people. I do have a lot of foreign people. A lot of hard names. That was actually part of me deciding. I almost didn't want to pick some of those because I'm like,

how do I say their names? Well, I'd like to get more American people in the mix, like get more of the home team going, but it just didn't play out that way. John Hack, Sergey Fedochinko, Mike Bridges, Jaroslaw Olech. I was honest. I don't know who that is. And Stan Efferding, the Rhino.

I had Dan Bell, Dave Hoff, Blaine Sumner, Uri Belkin, and Larry Pacifico. And Angelo had Taylor Atwood, Ray Williams, Gene Bell, Kaz, and Eric Lillibridge. That's where we're at. We'll put those on Instagram, and we'll allow everyone to vote to see who they came up with the best team. It is really funny how those lists do skew certain ways. They do.

It actually went just about how I thought it would. They do skew certain ways. My top three were all really big, 400-pound guys. I still always, at the end of the day, I mean, there's multiple ways to look at it i still just i always get more excited and i'm more impressed by the biggest lifts yeah always i i put so much more weight into my decision on big movers than lighter guys yep that's just always what's impressed me more i i think we've not right or wrong but that's kind of the same way you're right right and that's not a secret if you've listened to this podcast long enough too

um i'm just looking back through the list of all okay yeah yeah it is is that uh would you vote for yourself um if i didn't vote for me if i don't vote for me i'd vote for if i don't vote for me i'd vote for you i would not vote for steve's no i would not he's got sergey mike bridges no one knows who no one knows who that is most people don't know who sergey is yeah and then the people that do are gonna say well he's or whatever yeah people are gonna say he's competed against like yeah 10 people and then i would not vote for his uh angelo i do like taylor atwood and ray williams those are those were both in my top 10 i think kaz is a good choice i had

him like just outside of my top 10 i think he was kind of more my honorable mention group gene bell was not on my list not in mine either eric lillibridge was low on my list yeah i mean he was in that honorable mention category for me too depending on how things shook out uh what about my top four where did you have these dan bell dave hoff blaine sumner and yuri belkin were any of those like so low on your list here here's my top four my top four was ed cohen john hack dan bell and ray williams yeah what i had for my top four yeah yeah and all of those those are you know dan bell ray williams john hack like the best in their weight class in

their right i mean yeah it's it's an interesting uh it's a fun thing to do it is meaningless yeah but it is interesting to see how people differ in their opinion you get this big list and i'm like oh man there's enough people here that you know i have like 15 names i'll have multiple choices and like the first round goes through it's like oh yeah that was five of them right actually taylor atwood was in my top five but then the next round goes through it's all right there was the other five there's my top 10 they're gone just like that taylor atwood also not in my top five where did you have taylor atwood on your list i had him floating down towards the bottom because i figured if i was lucky i'd be able to pick him

like fourth or fifth i had i did have him one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Ninth. Yeah, he was just. But whereas those two guys would have him in, I think, in their top four, you know, for sure. Well, Steve had him as number one, didn't he? No, Angelo took him as his pick number four. Taylor Atwood?

Yeah. Steve took John Hack. It went Ed Cohn, John Hack. Then I took Dan Bell. Taylor was around that late. Yeah, the fourth overall pick. Oh, fourth overall. Yes, his first round.

Right. Yeah, that's what I thought. But I think he would be in both of their personal top four. Yeah, I'm sure. And like neither of ours. Yeah. And yeah, it is also those guys because they do have that usap l preference yep uh the importance they put on

like world titles and national titles yes when like i said that doesn't exist in the untested side so it is just it is just more kind of what you've done on your best day really is is yep yep and that is a different way of looking you've done on your best day really is. Yep. Yep. And that is a different way of looking at powerlifting. Yes. Your best total versus maybe your best performance on meet day, you know? Right. Right.

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