Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 344: Alan Thrall

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

Big Alan Thrall is back and better than ever! We talk to him about running, cutting his hair, Marine life, and of course… Pontiac Fieros. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics oh welcome back everyone for episode 344 of the massonomics podcast my favorite podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy some weather we've been having tommy huh it's been nice hasn't it on what what some might call unseasonably nice it's really nice it's like in this just about 70 every day it was uh after work today i was playing outside with the kids and it was 70 degrees basically no wind it's november which never happens either

no yeah uh we will get hit we will get hit well i think it sounds like we're in for a change are we pretty soon there's some cold fronts coming through i think we're gonna oh boy i'm not saying nothing crazy but uh just getting back more to in line with some 50s and some 40s i see here okay yeah you can't have it all can you no but uh i mean it was like motorcycle weather here in november oh i know you could have been on the lake with a boat i feel like i've seen more convertibles in the last like two days than i did all summer well because everyone gets that feeling oh i gotta take advantage of this one like uh part of it is you get to say like hey i rode my motorcycle in january or in uh november

hey i took out the convertible out in november and then a month from now you say oh hard to believe i was just on my motorcycle a month ago when there's like three feet of snow yeah negative 10 yeah yeah we haven't even sniffed anything close to snow at this point but what what makes that nice is that uh we get far enough in the year and all of a sudden it's like well it's december like go ahead and snow now like we're like we've already made it. I know. Yeah. That is the thing. But then also, and also it's May.

It just hits you so hard. Yeah. And then April's come in and it's still shitty. That that's where it gets tough. But yeah, as of right now, we're, we're doing pretty good.

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Yeah. Getting high on your supply. Robert's Rules. Do you know about Robert's Rules? Mm-mm. I think it's Robert's Rules. That's how you speak in a meeting like that. It's like, do I have emotion?

So move. Oh, that's what that's like do i have emotion so move oh that's what that's called that stuff is called robert's rules i'm pretty sure anyway someone listening probably practices that stuff but i think that's robert's rules like that would be uh uh would we like to sell lift short uh it's been decided we'd probably like to sell lift shorts for way more than they're worth do i have emotion and you would say have a motion? And you would say so moved. Oh, really? That's what you say? You'd say so moved, I believe,

and then I would say second. And sometimes there's an actual vote necessary, but most times there's not. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes there's a roll call vote needed if it's something that's possibly going to be a divided room. They'll actually do a roll call vote needed if it's uh something that's possibly going to be a significant a divided room they'll actually do a roll call vote otherwise it'll just be uh um all in favor say i all opposed same sign i think something like that yeah that's what robert's rules is i don't really know it but

i was in fbla future business leaders of america naturally and uh graduated from one of Canada's top yeah no that was a high school thing oh yeah in high school yeah I graduated from Canada's one of Canada's top uh high school uh business yeah yeah business experience yeah selling fake shoes and yeah yeah everything but I'll go back goes back to high school, FBLA. Curious if anyone listening out there is a FBLA. Have you heard of FBLA before? I have heard of that, yes. It's somewhat popular in South Dakota.

That's what I thought, yeah. And there's certain schools where it's just like, I suppose it's the same for 4-H. That wasn't big in our school. FBLA was big. Was FFA big in your school? No, it actually like there was other certain was ffa big in your school no it actually didn't exist at the time really yeah it does now but uh wow see where i grew up

ffa the dairy well we also lived in a town with an enormous cheese factory right there was like national champion like dairy teams that would come right like from the entire country which i guess yeah and i kind of just assumed like everyone in the state had this FFA push. No, actually, this is just hitting me now. The irony isn't the word, but just kind of how this is relevant here. In FBLA as a senior, you go to state. You have a state competition. And then if you win state, you make it to nationals.

So me and my group of two others, you make it to nationals so uh me and my group of two others we made it to nationals when we were seniors for our business plan uh project which it's funny our business plan you know what it was selling shoes no it wasn't selling shoes it was a screen printing business really yeah it was a t-shirt screen printing business. Really? Yeah, it was a t-shirt screen printing business. And most cases, for most people, this was almost like a fictitious business plan. But in our school, part of one of our business classes, you actually ran a screen printing business for real.

So we did a business plan on a real business. So it gave us like this kind of like a real business that we were also running. Yeah, it gave us like a leg up on everyone else that was kind of like making stuff up and uh i do but i'm just that it was a t-shirt screen printing business is kind of uh oh that is that kind of funny yeah do you feel like you knew much about t-shirt screen printing then god no apparently i mean i probably more than a lot of other high schoolers about their but do you feel like even compared to now like it's a whole different level oh it's way different yeah

deep details of screen printing and to be honest I was never actually the one like running because when you ask me that I kind of think about actually running like the doing

the actual screen printing process no guys I'll handle the micro influencers let me take care of that part I'll get the Instagram it's only 2006 what the hell are you talking

about man it's yeah they're like it's it's 2004 we don't even know what Facebook is yet Facebook doesn't come It's only 2006. What the hell are you talking about, man? Yeah, they're like, it's 2004. We don't even know what Facebook is yet. Facebook doesn't count for a few years, dumbass. Wow, so it kind of goes full circle almost then. Yeah, the social media influencing was getting on MSN Messenger and messaging all your friends like, hey, buy our t-shirts.

Yeah, a real grassroots effort there but uh back to juggernaut ai you had your testing day uh this weekend this past saturday and so it was my first ever mock meet i've never done a in the gym mock meet yeah i've never done even a a test all three lifts in one day that's not just done at the gym before yeah or at a powerlifting or anywhere yeah i've the only time i've ever tested all three in one day was at a powerlifting meet yep and so i was very curious how that was going to go um training my first so what was it 20 is juggernaut is it 26 weeks by default is that i don't know if it's always this i mean if you let it go as long yeah i think it's about 26 about half a year i think and i don't know if it's different depending on if you you know you start with a bridge block yeah that will change it probably just adds to it but i think if you

just tell let me do powerlifting i have no date i think it wants to go around about 26 weeks yeah and which at the time what was that april ish 20 half a year six months that seems so far away i can't even think of things that were that far it's like the amount of things that could happen in my life in this time you know could have a baby which we did yeah a lot can go on but uh anyways the the time goes on training happens i was feeling really great for a while right when i was getting to the peak started to not feel the best with just the new baby had a minor back tweak starting to really get stressed that maybe I was gonna get off track but

it all came back together at the end you just gotta kind of as dumb as it sounds you gotta trust the process you do classic you got it you got to and so we arrive at test day and the one thing I was really interested in well obviously i want to know how strong i'm going to be but the speed at running because you when you do a powerlifting meet it's like an all-day thing yeah it's out of your control it's out of your control you're just going with the flow you're at the mercy and this uh i have a wife and kids so it's kind of also out of my control i'm not going to be at the gym for eight hours that's not going to fly i'm not going to be there for five hours i kind of wanted to do it almost as fast as i could well it's out

of your control in the other direction. And a meet usually meets basically always too slow. Yeah. Like compared to what you want to do, you know, nine times out of 10 from our experience at least. Yeah. So I got there and I think from the time I took my first attempt and I stuck to three attempts and everything. I didn't want to go for it. Just, there's not enough energy and time. So I did took three attempts and everything. I didn't want to go for it. Just there's not enough energy and time. Yeah. So I did took three attempts and everything from the time I took my first attempt squat to the time I took my last attempt deadlift. I believe it was about two hours. Exactly.

Yeah. I was going to say it's probably two hours. Wouldn't be hard to do it much faster. Yeah. I was going to say if I had to say that is a touch on the fast end. Right. For what I'm used to. Right.

And so I guess we'll talk more about that. But starting squats was the thing i was most excited on squats always been my favorite lift and it's been going good it's been going good i do feel like i'm getting stronger there and i i still hadn't really felt like i ever found a true even on the rp 10 days i just felt like i could never quite get there like it was still always like an eight and a half or a nine is about all the closer i could ever get even when i even when i felt like i was taking big jumps so i had the last time i don't know if it was three weeks ago into the peak when you're when you're kind of supposed to go for a heavy single yeah i had what at my in my mind at the time seemed like the absolute limit and i believe that was 440 or 445 yep and it was like easier than your warm-up before that well so like a month ago whatever i did that 445 like i picked that number thinking that would

be a true rp10 and i did it and i was like damn that was still not a 10 right so then you get closer to this and you're thinking god is the number 450 is it 460 where's it at and uh i ended up going with 455 and i still think i undercut it by at least 10 pounds that's what i was gonna say that definitely wasn't like actually i think it was chad at the gym maybe we even had this conversation sometimes what's tricky is um with the rating of rpe you'll say well something wasn't really, maybe it, it wasn't, didn't feel like an eight and you wouldn't call it a nine, but you know,

it's not really a 10 because you know, you could have done, I could have done it for three reps, but you're saying, I know I could have done one rep with more weight than that. Like, okay, I'm not going to do four 55 again.

Right. But at the same time, I could have done more than that. That is where RP gets really right. Right. Right. And there's people that know way more about it that could probably say what's right there but yeah it did feel good to get done with that one like in my head it felt pretty fast it felt it felt faster than my second attempt it almost

faster my third because you're just more your first attempt you're kind of almost like not turning it on yet you know it's like okay we're still kind of going through the motions and also until you get to a training day you'd never are a testing day that like really turning it on is something yeah that you don't get very often so once you like really get in the zone you get everything like you get the wrist straps as tight as you can the belt as tight as you can you get the chalk ammonia i almost never use ammonia just because i'm always just like all right i don't need to get like major stimulation for everything dead girl turned up turned up to 31 if you go to mass and i was jimmy you know what turned up to 31 there's a sign it says 30 is the limit yeah but you go nope we're going to 31 today you do all those 31 and bust the knob

you do all those things and you're in a different mind space all of a sudden you know and you take that third attempt and you think damn it that was easier than the second attempt and so it did feel really good to walk away look at the video and then watch the video and be like that looked even faster than i thought so that that was like it was almost if i could have if the day would have ended there i'd be like oh that was fine for me that was good yeah um but i i do feel pretty confident after looking at that that i did 455 it felt good the the real max is probably closer to 465 probably between 465 and 475 yeah which is really good because i had to go back and look at open powerlifting because i can't remember these numbers

i'm weighing like 205 right now the last time i weighed this much when i did a meet my best squat on that day was like 440 and i'm like sweet body weight yours yeah right this is a win-win here there's there's nothing to lose like this is this is all good what was your what were your first two i think i think i did um in that meet or yeah in this test or in the test so i did and this is the other thing i followed what juggernaut had and it was also a little more aggressive than i feel like what i typically call in a meet not that i know what the hell i'm doing in a meet at all but i believe the first attempt was 425 i think when it was like 420 or 425 440 445 right and that's where i'm up by like five pounds so it made like a 20 pound jump and then for the third attempt i wanted to do about a 10 pound jump

but i bumped it five more to, to, to four 55. Yeah. Um, so yeah, all in all, I think it covered about 35, 40 pounds, which I always feel like I do closer to like a 10 or a, uh, yeah, like a closer to like a 10% gain on that, which would be, well, I guess about 45 pounds. Yeah. That would be in that case. You think 10% from, uh, from rep one to rep three from a temple.

I feel like that's usually where I'm at about, you know, and not that that's right, but I know like when I squatted 545, like my opener I think was 500. It does make sense to talk about it. It does, I think, when you say that, make sense to talk about it in terms of percentage. You know, percentage change because then someone, if they're squatting 6, right? Oh, because pounds can be so far off. Yeah, but if you talk about a someone that squats 700 pounds well maybe they gain 10 percent between their two but for them it's and

even like when i think about bench like when i was taking around 330 on my third attempt in bench in a meet my opener was right around 300 my second attempt was kind of in that 315 320 range and then third attempt was about 330 deadlift i mean deadlift kind of did the same thing too. And maybe that's just, I don't know. I don't know if that's right or not, but so anyway, squat gets done.

I feel great. I'm excited. And after that, honestly, like the rest of the day, it's hard to get that excited about because that was the lift I was most excited for. Right.

Bench. I went into that one. I, I'd done three or five multiple times. And for me, the bench, the on on bench the line between like looking pretty fast and and not moving it is a very fine line and doing 305 multiple times i knew i had that that was my second attempt and it was just going to be all right is it 310 or is it

315 and i'm like i'm pretty sure i can get 310 clean 315 will be a battle uh but it's 315 on the bar it's 315 you got to you can't yeah you can't not like take the extra even plate there yeah so I put uh 310 is like the most annoying way oh it is it sucks it sucks so I put 315 on I was just doing touch and go I'm in the gym I don't I'm not I'm not pausing anything here um and I'm also not like I'm doing big bounces either. But touch and go, it was like halfway up and it just stopped. And I kept pushing. I hadn't had to really grind any reps out.

Like that's kind of a thing that I haven't addressed much lately. And then I felt my butt coming up a little bit. And then I could feel the bar moving. And I'm like, well, what's going on? I don't think I've ever lifted my butt off the bench ever like that. It's just never been something I've done. Yeah. And then I remember my head thinking,

all right, butt down, butt down. And then it felt like it stopped again. My butt came up and started moving. So it wasn't, it went to been a clean lip and not that my butt, my butt wasn't coming up by like six inches.

We're talking like, if you wouldn't have said that, I don't think I would have even noticed. Yeah. If anything, it came up maybe an inch. Right. And that'd be it.

But I just, it's not a feeling I've ever felt before. So in my head, it felt like I was standing off the bench. But I got 315 again, so it's nice to know I'm back in that club. That's a good one to get, too. It's always a good milestone to be back in there. Build three wheels. It is.

And then the last one, and this is the least exciting. I almost at this point was like, do I even need to do this? Because I've just been doing trap bar. Did you feel tired at all? A little. It was more my enthusiasm was running out because trap bar deadlift didn't, I got my squat PR or I got my squat number. I was back at three plates.

I'm like, there's nothing I can do here. That's going to get me excited. Cause I've been doing trap bar deadlift this whole time. Right. Just cause it felt the best on my back and my other things are moving. And those are the only ones that I really care about those other ones. I don't care about deadlift that much.

And so I'm like, okay, I'll go max out in trap bar deadlift yeah and a couple weeks ago i had done 485 480 or 45 whatever it is and it was really easy and so i'm like that will be my second attempt my third one will go 500 or 505 you know that's number great number to be out there yeah and so second attempt 45 it was the first time i've ever since i've been doing trap bar deadlift or ever had to actually think about breaking it off the floor like it felt slow but then once it goes it's fast and then third uh someone asked about the trap bar we have the kabuki uh kabuki trap bar is the kind that you're using yes it is the kabuki one. 60, 66 pound bar. Yep, yep. And.

30 kilo bar. Third attempt at this point, I had to start getting the show on the road. Third attempt, I get the 500 on. Did you use ammonia for it? I did use ammonia. I used ammonia for all three of my third attempts. Nose bleach, obsidian ammonia.

They know what's up. Just hits. It does just hit a little different. And I started going and i just it wasn't there it wasn't there and at that point i was tired like i i did after like as soon as that was done and like all the adrenaline's done and you just stop for a second you go damn i'm actually pretty tired right now a lot's happened in the last two hours yeah um so i guess in my mock meet i went eight for nine my gym meet gym lifts eight for

nine i was happy with that it was if i would have missed my third attempt squat missed my third attempt bench and i went six for nine on the day i think i would have walked away feeling a little bit yeah but squat pr good bench number deadlift fine enough whatever i was really happy with it so yeah that is a good day so that's like juggernaut strikes again yeah 26 weeks of juggernaut i can say i was very excited i did walk away from that feeling like i'm i'm justified even more now and that juggernaut is the right thing and it got me that i left the gym i laid on the couch and i already started building my next program because i was so excited for it I was asking about the bridge block and all that yep so I'm actually gonna be going on vacation in like a day and a half here so I'm just gonna delay North Dakota here you come

going 50 miles north uh this is so I'm delaying starting my bridge block by about a week but I will be starting that and I'm excited to kind of mix it up do a little different training um but it's no walk in the park from what you say god no oh just if you're looking for a walk in the park on the bridge block you'd be sorely disappointed although in the wrong place you do start to adapt to it pretty quickly well i talked to jack chat about that and he said that's uh this is just conditioning work capacity i'll get built up i guess so quick i guess so and especially this isn't chad talking this is me and my uh uneducated opinion it's just like maybe you're when you're so inefficient at something it's easy to make progress in it quickly right right like when you're like just starting from

like i used to these 60 second rest periods so i do that for a week or two and all of a sudden like i am making progress on this way faster than it's those newbie gains right and like some of the cardiovascular stuff i think just is you can make that progress on that a lot faster than muscular strength yeah you know obviously so i do think and maybe it's part of its mental too or you just get used to like, oh, not feeling, I'm just going to do my next set. Not feeling absolutely a hundred percent going into, or like completely arrested going into every set. Right, right.

So, but it's fun. I like it because it is a change of pace for a while. And then now I'm, you know, in my fifth week of it, I've got one more week left and I'm excited to get out of it too. So it's just like, makes me want to do the next thing yes and that's what i like too is the phases there's never ever a point well there might be a point where you feel like you've been doing something a long time but it always is moving on to the next thing yeah i mean as long as you like squatting benched and deadlifting like you have to like those three if you don't like those three you're going to be

in trouble but as long as you like those three there's at least like you like at least two of all three and you tolerate the third in most people's cases that's true that's my case too i mean most people that's kind of true yeah very few people like all three yeah it's just like i like these two and i guess i have the game you play you gotta do the third one yeah yeah yeah so that's my in-depth uh review 26 weeks later of Juggernaut. I'm signing up for another 26 weeks. That's good. It is a little scary though to see once you put a six week bridge block in. Actually, it puts you out at 32 weeks. So the testing date is

now July of 2023. What? That's way too far away. A little sneeze there. I are you familiar with this got a little game here I'm guessing you're somewhat familiar with it I do like little games

oh I do got a can if we need something to drink I do want you to put a blindfold on I'm going to give you a hint and say we have had this before but it has been a little while it's been a little while. It's been a hot minute. Okay.

Would you say the blindfold enhances the sexiness? That's what it does. Oh, I can feel the sparkling water in the air with the touch of my fingers. Give this. Oh, that's a mildly crispy crack. Not getting much. I just smell my hand. I think you'll come around on this.

Ooh. That's not fruity. Where am I at here? That's not fruity at all. What are we dealing with here? Oh, yeah. This is not, and I'm not cheating here. I haven't seen anything, but you don't have hold over uglies, do you?

I don't know. Do I? Is this a holdover ugly? Do I? Because what it tastes like to me is the ugly birthday cake flavor, I think. Or what it tastes like to me is cream soda. But what I remember about the ugly birthday cake is like two times at least calling it cream soda and then finding out it's ugly birthday cake. My guess is ugly birthday cake.

Oh, you got it. The fridge was almost completely empty, except there was like three or four of those in there. And I thought that's pretty old. But let's be real. It's water. It shouldn't expire. Right. So I forgot how this tasted because the last time i had one of these was on the podcast i remember not really liking it that much but having it now my first thing was this is cream soda that's and i don't remember i now that you say it it's coming back to me but i don't really

remember saying that at the time i like this one i always liked this one i love uglies and this is like we could have probably sold the second hand on the internet because you can't buy ugly anymore saying that at the time i like this one i always liked this one i love uglies and this is like we could have probably sold the second hand on the internet because you can't buy ugly anymore defunct and my personal stock ran out a little while ago so yep i still got still got just a couple left back in my day you could just go on the internet and buy some uglies not anymore let's put you to bed grandma all right we've got two things we've got uh the rogue strongman competition was uh this last weekend also not just your mock meet but also the rogue oh that was this weekend too yeah and i did uh so rogue like had full streams of it all day

long and it's like crossfit competition strongman competition going back and forth and i didn't watch any of it live what i would do is watch the next day i'd skim through the strongman stuff and uh the notes of interest that i wrote down here novacob one i saw that it's the first time he's ever beat martin's lysis in a competition really actually because of the way it's lined up with the them competing and just injuries and things like that that's that actually kind of surprises me a little bit yep trey mitchell got second okay uh mitch hooper got third and lisey's got fourth the defending champ of that competition lisey's got fourth that's all one thing but what i would also mention the other ukrainian other than novakov competing here was,

I think his name is Pavlo. Someone can tell me what his name is. Pavlo, some last name that I can't pronounce. This guy, I would wager a lot of you haven't seen him before. Maybe some of you have. Tommy, I'm guessing you haven't seen him before. I don't think I have. If someone on the Discord could post a picture of

pablo the most ridiculous looking strong man i've ever seen really yes he won the deadlift event like uh martinez and trey and a bunch of them came out and knocked out like eight or nine reps of this 900 pound deadlift and he came out and did 12 and that that was the first event. And I was like, oh, my God. Who is this? Yeah, he's pretty broad. He's very wide. Absolutely ridiculous. I don't. Shirts do not sit right on him.

And he's one of those guys where I wouldn't use the word like really like he's not like cut. He's just so freaking like he has that like gigantic farm boy look kind of you know yeah and he especially when you see him in comparison to all these other enormous uh guys god yeah he looks like an absolute freak amongst freaks yeah he's he is really big uh big uh bobby thompson came out and did well in uh quite a few events i think he ended up in uh sixth place is where he was at uh he had a good uh some good events in there some that i think you'd say he probably didn't perform as good as he wanted to in a couple of them but he looked good though there he is with brian shahaf yes that's what i had on here too

yeah yeah and bobby was wearing aomics shirt. He's definitely out angling Brian in that picture without a doubt. Big Bobby's wearing the Masonomics shirt and he did tell me that Rogue didn't like that. Sticking it to the man. Well, we like that. They're like, ah,

those assholes came out with a rack-mounted beverage holder before we could. The other thing I would note is they did have a few, put out a few really cool apparatuses. One was, the coolest was the Roga Coaster, which was a arm-over-arm pull where you were sitting, they were sitting behind the apparatus,

and I assume the rope went up on a pulley and came back to a, what looked like a single car roller coaster up an enormous like up a roller coaster really that they built and at the end it had like two rogue sandbags big heavy sandbags sitting inside of it and when you got to the top of the roller coaster the event stopped once the sandbags fell out at the top and that's how you had to complete it. Like, cause people, people are getting so tired at the end. They're like barely creeping in the bags.

They're like, just hanging on. Yeah. So that was ridiculous. That setup that they had was super cool. And then the deadlift thing that they had was ridiculous. Like, was that okay?

Did I see? It was a giant platform kind of, you know, a 12 foot high platform with like barrels underneath that you're picking up so like when they're dead lifting they don't even really see it like you only see it when you're looking at it from the so were they like going up levels then or how was that working or was it just no you were just you walked up this big stairway and up there then you deadlifted the bar like stuck up from way down below was this giant thing

you were picking up and it was quite up. And it was quite the spectacle. Yeah, it was quite the spectacle, I'd say. And Thor was there, and he broke his weight over bar record. So Andy talked about how he might be back. How he didn't really like boxing that well, and he just loves strength sports, and he has been training a little bit more. And didn't he? Did I see? Is he doing a powerlifting meet?

Wasn't that mentioned? Yes, that is what he's going to do, yeah. So I wouldn't be surprised if we see him back in Strongman again at some point, kind of based on what he said. Yeah. And he is up a little bit in weight. He was really lean for a while there. Yeah, and I think he said he was like 145, which is still like 330. Yeah.

And now I think he said he's 160 maybe. Okay. Which is like... So the kilos are adding up. He's probably over 350 right now. Just got to get him up to four in those mid-fours. He'll be making a run at it again. Yeah. So it was a run at it again. Yeah.

So it was a cool event, though. It seems like Rogue was doing some pretty sweet stuff with their setup and the infield commentators and the interviewers. They were definitely putting effort in. Laws was one of the main commentators, and then they brought in Brian Shaw because he wasn't competing,

and then Jerry Pritchett and several others. And a bunch of. And then Jerry Pritchett and, uh, several others. And a bunch of people keep saying Jerry Pritchett, like a mystery, mysterious R at the end of his last name, Jerry Pritchett. Is there an R in it? I don't think there is,

but several people said that. So is that how you say his last name? Because I've always said Pritchett. Cause I think that that's how it looks like it's spelled, but there is no R at the end. It's Jerry. Multiple people said Pritchett because I think that that's how it looks like it's spelled but there is no R at the end it's Jerry multiple people said Pritchett and I'm like did somebody just say that wrong and everyone that's what they think I think yeah it's one of those things yeah someone said it and everyone got it in their head that's how you say it interesting yeah I don't see I'm looking at it

here I just see one R. It's a second letter. So that settles it. It is Jerry Pritchett, just so everyone knows. Okay, so that was the Rogue Strongman in a nutshell. Now, the moment everyone's been waiting for. Has he seen it? 1993 edition. This is a relatively new, fast-growing segment of the massonomics podcast

we say relatively new um if people haven't been listening we started with movies from the year 1900 and we're up to 1993 now year by year we pick seven movies every every week and 1993 was a hard one i had to nick some off of the list. Because there were just some heavy hitters this year? Actually, I've got eight right now. We're just going to do eight even. Because I had like 11 originally. So there's just so many. Yeah, there was so many that I'm like,

I kind of just like all of these. Okay, eight. So I have to pick a number that I've seen off of eight? Yeah. And here's what else I would say. I think you'll do pretty well on this one. Then I'm going to go. Do I want to go five?'m gonna go five let me see if i think you'll be i'm just gonna take your word for it i'm gonna go

five one of these i think you'll be or close it's close yeah you might be at four too low two's too low yeah that'd be just be four force just seems like I'm playing too conservative. Okay. So I'm going to say five. 1993, Tommy, have you seen it? Tombstone. Ah. This is one of those that I've never sat and watched the entire thing. I've seen decent chunks of it multiple times, but I can't in good faith say that I've actually watched all of Tombstone. So that's a no.

No, I have not seen Tombstone. Okay. I thought that might be a no. Next, have you seen it? Coneheads. Yes. It's been a long time, but when I was a kid, Coneheads was pretty awesome. Okay.

Yeah. I was unsure of that one. Yep. This next one, I'm pretty sure you've seen it. Coneheads. One package of chewing gum. Yeah. Have you seen it?

Dazed and confused. Oh, yeah. Of course, that's a yes. Yes. Often talked about on the Mass. Who hasn't seen that movie, right? The thing I like about that movie is it keeps getting older, but we stay the same age.

So that was 93. The whole joke is that that movie was made closer to 1970 because is it 76 or 77 yeah year like that movie was made closer to that than we are to that night to 1993 yeah right what 30 years ago right getting old so you're two for three this is like an unprecedented yeah i've actually probably out of and not even intentionally but probably out of every movie we've ever mentioned on the show so far i've probably seen days and confused the most and it was twice it's still not that many times but yeah have you seen it mrs doubtfire i have it's um it's been a really long time that's robin williams yeah like i feel like when you're a kid it was on a lot like between

friends houses and maybe tv or something um i always even when i was a little kid i just thought it was kind of creepy and weird that this guy was dressing like this grandma it yeah i it's i honestly probably haven't seen that movie since i was in like third grade but uh but that's yeah i have seen it three out of four i have seen it i had a feeling 93 was when 93 is a good year for movies i will tell you that there there's some we're not even going to talk about today that i could have eased that are much better than other ones that have been on the prior years list have you seen it sandlot oh yeah so you're four out of five sandlot i feel like is one of those movies that they make you watch before christmas break in school you know they got to show you a movie so they pick what that but even even outside of that it's kids playing

baseball i i used to assume you've seen all these, but I've trained myself now not to assume. To not think anything, yeah. So have you seen it? I think you've seen this one too, Son-in-Law. Oh, yeah. I've seen Son-in-Law a million times too. Okay, it kind of works. You're picking comedies.

I think if you picked more comedies, I would say yes to it. And it's not that, it's just 93, there were so many good, like I'm like, all of these so far, I can't, I was had the feeling I can't not pick that because how can we cover this year and like not talk? How could we not talk about hit on days and confused Sandlot,

son-in-law. I would have never guessed those are all from the same year though. That actually surprises me. So you're five for six. I've seen when I, the first time I saw son-in-law, I thought it was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. I was probably like eight at the time. That was hilarious. It still is really funny. It've seen, when I, the first time I saw Son-in-Law, I thought it was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. I was probably like eight at the time.

I thought it was hilarious. It still is really funny. It's so, don't they go, isn't it Vermillion, South Dakota? Isn't that where they go to? Is that right?

There you think, go to South Dakota. I can't remember where they say they, I mean, obviously the movie wasn't filmed in South Dakota. Right. Yeah, Son-in-Law's great.

It's, it's, it's, I saw Pauly Shore do stand up one time in Watertown. And it was really funny because he's not very good at stand-up. His opener was significantly better than him, but it was hilarious. He's like, God, your guys' town is just so brown and dirty.

He goes, you guys should be on Extreme Makeover Town Edition, and he just kept ripping on the town, which is very funny. Yeah, for a while people were like, yeah. I think the crowd doesn't care for this, but I found it funny. Yeah. Second to last one. Right now you're five for six. Have you seen it?

Rookie of the Year. I have not seen Rookie of the Year. Rookie of the Year is good. It's a baseball one, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to spoil the plot for you. What one is that one?

He trips on a baseball. Oh, is that his arm he gets thrown? Oh. Why did I think that one? He trips on a baseball. Oh, is that his arm he gets thrown? Why did I think that was? That's a Disney movie, isn't it, or not? I don't know that for sure. That's another one I have seen parts of. Henry Rone Gardner, is that? Rone Gardner.

And he never gets his. Yeah, I had a buddy that would do that all the time. I've seen parts of that movie. I've never actually seen it. Because sports movies, that's kind of the thing. Well, there's a theme here for these last ones then. Because right now you're five of seven. Last one.

Have you seen it? Rudy. I've never seen Rudy. No, no, no. Five for eight. I called it. That's pretty good. Yeah, you're going to get me on sports movies.

I have a really hard time. Now I'd be more open to them, but when I was a kid, I thought sports movies were so cheesy and sucked and so lame and boring, so I would never watch them. I mean, they still kind of are cheesy and sort of lame,

and you sort of know what's going to happen for the most part, but I have more of a tolerance for that. Rudy is a sports movie, of course, but it's more of a... I mean, it's like a less of a sport. I mean, I don't know. I don't even know what I'm saying there, but it's good. Oh, I have no doubt that it's good.

It does all revolve around football, I guess, but to me it is a little bit... It's not... They're not playing in the... Right, it's not like extended scenes of these long right right it's more about like him and uh i don't know i don't really know how to explain that but it just seems different than some of them yeah it's uh definitely a movie i'll add to the short list we made this week yeah five for eight new world record so was there do we have any honorable mentions for movies that you thought could have made the cut? What's the one?

It's not called Walking Tall. It's where the guy walks. Bill Stantz said The Firm, Tom Cruise. I have not seen the movie, but I have read the book. The Firm. Was Pelican Brief? Did I notice that one from 93 also? It's the same guy, isn't it?

The same guy wrote both those books, I believe. Is that James Patterson or something like that? No, is it? I don't know. What the hell is the guy's name? But yeah, okay,

so what were some other ones though? Oh, what's the walking one? Anyone listening where like the guy walks across the town? Is it David Baldacci? Is that his name that wrote those ones? The walking guy, what's? Fall's falling down that's what it is yeah i assumed you hadn't seen that anyway so i didn't put it even put on i don't even think i've heard of that scant said john grisham john grisham there you go

samsonite falling down is a good movie but i just't. I was 100% sure you hadn't seen it, so I didn't even get it on there. Army of Darkness in 93, huh? So that's 93. Stay tuned next week for 1994. Oh, I can't wait. We did have a couple supporting our supporting members. And I'm just messaging our guests quick.

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That was fun. That, that would almost be overload. That's a lot of people. Going to something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That would be cool.

It would, oh, it would be very, very cool. But between all of the, I'm just thinking my brain, between all the socializing and also the learning and everything and the sheer number of people around, it'd be a lot to take in. For sure.

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big keith asked about the aberdeen meet we that's we basically have to make a decision on that in like the next couple weeks it's been tabled as of now yes it is tabled at the moment but we are going to make a decision i mean we have to. There's just not enough time. So we will have an answer there somewhat soon. We will circle back. We'll circle back on that one. We're going to put a pin in that one. We'll circle back.

Yes, we do have a quorum. All right, should we kick off the Discord and call our guest Big Alan? Yep, let's do it. All right. We'll put a pin in that. Bye, Discord. We'll put a pin in the Discord. They've been pinned. We'll circle back to them.. By Discord. We'll put a pin in the Discord. They've been pinned.

We'll circle back to them. But for now, we'll circle to Alan. Hello. Big Alan, is that you? It is me. Oh, you're live on the Massonomomics podcast with Tanner and Tommy what's up Allen what's up man hey long time no talk yeah how you guys been we're good do you know what the number episode number was last time I think we talked to Allen back in 2020 I don't know what

the episode number was about 100 episodes ago or something like that yeah so um that i thought it was number one well number one in our hearts but not number one in actual numeric order damn yeah so you sound a little bit different than last time we talked to you is something is anything different about you uh my voice is deeper or higher what i don't know it sounds like you have less hair or something like that. Yes. Yeah. There's no filter between me and the phone. It's just,

yeah. Yep. It's just, that's it. It's just a hundred percent. Alan. No, uh,

you did get a big haircut though. Like, yes. Uh, for most people that wouldn't be exciting news if they get a haircut, but when you don't get a haircut or a beard cut for that long, it kind of is big news when you do it. Yeah, it was pretty wild. It was a big step, but I was ready to do it. Was it just you woke up one day and decided

it was time, or was there some things that took place that led up to that? Yeah, so I had always told myself that I wasn't going to cut the hair or the beard. It was a package deal, I, uh, I had, I had always told myself that I didn't, I wasn't going to cut the hair or the beard. It was a package deal too. So if I cut one, I was going to cut the other, but I just said, I'm not going to do it until I know that I want to do it. Um, and I just kind of reached that point and I said, you know what? Uh, I wasn't doing it for anyone else. I just said, it's time to cut my hair. But the, one of the influences was, uh, my recent, most recent kid, my daughter. Um, and then my son too, uh, I've got a daughter who's seven months old and a son who's almost four. And, uh, he's at the age now where he wants to

wrestle and jump on my back and he wants to ride on my shoulders and then my daughter just grabs onto my beard uh way more than my son did when he was that age and it was just the daily uh multiple times throughout the day where i just get my hair ripped out or my beard pulled on uh to where i had to stop what i was doing to like check like don't just rip my hair out did he just rip my hair out and uh my son was was learning how to swim earlier this year and so he's swimming and i'm kind of like you know spotting him underwater and his feet and his hands are getting tangled in my hair underwater and i'm like drowning getting pulled down and uh so that we know it's just dad yeah right that's what it felt like but i was like man this is uh this

is getting old and uh and then i yeah i just kind of decided i think it's it's time and if if anything it'll it'll all grow back uh but that was that was kind of what pushed me to to want to cut it how long how long had it been since your last haircut nine years so my last haircut was March 20th, 2013, the day that I got out, the night before I got out of the Marine Corps. And so 2023 would have been 10 years, which would have been cool. But I don't know if that would have been a good celebration of like, hey, it's been 10 years. Now it's gone. So I figure nine years, you know. So yeah, nine years I had it.

That is pretty good. How long has it been since you've gotten a haircut? I don't have any significant dates to remember it, actually. But years, many years. It's been, well, it's been at least six. And I mean, I had long hair before that even. So I mean, I haven't had short hair in like 13 years. I'm on almost three years, no haircut too.

So we can relate a little bit. Not nine years, but goals. Hashtag goals. Well, honestly, I think after probably four, maybe five years, I don't think it grew at all. It was just, you know, like it got to my mid-back, my beard got to my nipples, and then both of them just kind of stopped growing past that.

Well, yeah stopped just like split yeah mine still does it definitely slows down but at like the longest spots it does it does still grow a little bit yeah but yeah i've actually done some some research about how to maximize hair growth and a little bit of it is genetics. Like I don't think that I have the genetics to grow my hair to my feet, but some people do. But it also, one of the number one suggestions I found was to keep it in hair preserving hairstyles

or preserving hairstyles. So something like braids or if you were to have cornrows or even if you think about dreadlocks, which are just mashed together hair that just continues to grow, that'll encourage your hair to continue growing. But I wasn't going to do any of that. There you go. Do you feel tamed at all in any way?

Yeah, a little bit. So definitely, yeah. This is a funny question, and I mean, I kind of probably know your answer. Some people might have thought, like, did you have any concern that it'd be bad for business? Yes, people have honestly asked that, like seriously asked that. Right, right. No, not at all. I don't know anyone who gets so upset that they cancel their gym membership or something.

It's not the guy I knew and respected. Yeah, right. Throw it all out the window. You honestly let us down. You have no integrity. This whole time, we thought you were one of us. Yeah, right. One of us.

Yeah, right? I was a little bit worried about having to explain myself to everyone in my day-to-day. Like, oh, Alan cut his hair. What did you do it for? And then just walking through the gym like, hey, yes, I cut my hair. I didn't really want a huge reaction from anyone. And thankfully, there wasn't any. It was like, whoa, you cut your hair.

Hey, it looks good, dude. And then people just kind of carried on yeah and i and i liked that but i yeah i didn't want i didn't want to have to tell everyone why i did it like every person i ran into at the gym mainly um well we just made you all at once tell a whole bunch of people why you did it so we got yeah just got it out of the way to a whole bunch um yeah i'm fine with telling I'm fine with telling the story, but it was more like in person, running into everyone, having to tell them why I did it. We had Danny Grigsby on the podcast a while back. I'm sure you know who he is.

He's got the big deadlift, and he's a Marine, and he is a member of the world famous Body Bearers, and I hadn't realized it. Were you also? Was that your job at one point in time yeah yeah okay really i when we had you before and i never i didn't know i mean i knew you're in the marine corps but i didn't know that you did that um how many people okay is that how many people get that job because

it's weird that we've had two guys on the podcast that have that job now not many there's at any at any point there's like 12 to maybe 15 marines that's what i thought wow so that is very i suppose part of the reason that we've come across a couple though is because the nature of that job in the you know it's having the strength standards and that we you know participate in a little community or niche where you find above yeah it is still a very small number yeah it is kind of odd yeah yes but it was it was just as wild for me to find out that he was a body bearer um because i had seen the his world record posted a handful of times and then uh i follow the world famous body bearer instagram page and they they reposted it and said like, uh, you know, something, you know, good news for

the section. And, uh, and I had to click through like this guy's a body bear. So I, it was surprised me too. Um, but yeah, the, when I was in, it was a lot more about just being big and jacked, uh, and more like bodybuilding stuff. Powerlifting wasn't very popular. So to see a world record powerlifter in the body bear section was really cool yeah and that is so yeah it is rare yeah that that that's uh a really

unique uh a unique position that you held there too and he talked about what the strength you know they have i i'm curious if this was the same when you were in it or not he said they had very specific strength standards that you had to hit, much different than the typical PT test standards, which they also still have to do. But they had specific barbell lifts, which it was all 20-rep sets. I may be misremembering some of this a little bit, but I think you had to bench 225 for 20 and, and like squat three 15 for 20.

I, I maybe exaggerate. Those are, those are the, those are all to get a perfect score on the strength test. The minimums are, are 10 reps. So it's 10 reps,

two 25 bench, three 15 squat, uh, 115 pound barbell curl and 135 pound behind the neck seated military press i don't know if they still do behind the neck but i know they still do the yeah he said yeah um still even 10 to 20 on those like that's not your average uh slouch isn't hitting those numbers yeah yeah the standards are pretty high i think that they do they do have exceptions if they are doing any recruiting they do go to platoons and boot camp so you have these recruits in boot camp and they if if you look big enough

they'll kind of pull you aside and have you take a strength test and they will be a little bit more lenient but if you're a marine in the marine corps and you have time to train and eat and all that you're not under the stress of being in bootcamp. Yeah. 10, 10 is the minimum. Okay. That, so how were you, how would that process, it was something you sought out when you were in the Marine Corps? Was it something that found you in a way? So before having that job, I was a, I was presidential security at Camp David and while you're in the, yeah. And so while I was a, I was presidential security at Camp David. And while you're in the, yeah. And so while I was there, um, I, I was, uh, I was into, to powerlifting and strongman. I had done a couple strongman competitions at the time. I was, uh, two, I was my heaviest that I've ever been. I was

up to two 55, uh, body weight. Um, and I, uh, anyways, there was a, there's a course like a school called corporal's course, which is a couple of weeks long. And I had attended that and there's a bunch of other Marines from different sections who would go there. And the leader, he's called the guide of the, the body bear section. He was there, uh, at the school with me. And, uh, he just approached me. I think he heard me talking about like lifting weights or something like that. Uh, and he, he saw that I was a bigger guy just compared to other Marines. Um, and so he talked to me about the body bear section and he said, do you know who we are? And I did. Uh, and he said, do you think you could pass a strength test? And he told me what the strength test was. And I said, yes.

And so he said, all right, well, meet me at the gym at lunch. So we had an hour for lunch that day. And we went down there. And in my camis, I did the strength test and passed. And he was like, do you want to be a body bearer? And so I did that for the rest of my time. Once he asks if you want to be a body bearer, you have to go through body bearer school, which is really difficult. It's called CDS. So anyways, you go through that. And if you graduate,

then you get to be a body bearer. At the time, was it the best feeling in the world that when you're obviously someone that lifts and someone comes up to you and says, you look pretty big. Do you want to come do this strength test with me to do this special job that you have to be big and strong to do? And you're like, yes, I've actually been just waiting for so long for someone to ask me something like this. Yes. And I did actually want to be a bodybuilder, but I just didn't know how to go about it. I didn't know you could just try out. So when he asked me, I was like, I've been waiting for you to ask me. Um, but yeah, if you, if you are a bigger guy who lifts weights, you do, you do stand out quite a bit in the military because everyone is, you know, very stereotypical. Yeah. Runner, um, skinny calisthenics, pushups, pull-ups. Um,

and then there's heightened weight standards also. So. So my maximum weight standard at the time was 203 pounds for my height, six feet tall. And I was 255. So I'm pushing 52 pounds over the weight limit. So anyways, you just stand out. You had to get your neck measured every time. At least I was in the Army and you had to get taped every, when you're not meeting height and weight standard,

then you have to get taped. And if your neck measurement is big enough then you can still pass or that's what our system was like i don't know if yeah so it's a it's a difference between your the size of your neck and your waist so if you have a 40 inch waist and a pencil neck you're in trouble right but yeah if you have a 40 inch waist and a 20 inch neck uh you're you're good you know so i guess it's their way of measuring whether or not you're big boned. Or if you have sleep apnea, you're good to go. You pass the standard, you also most certainly have horrendous sleep apnea right now.

Yeah, even the taping, the weight standard would frustrate me because I, I was, they have levels in the, the physical fitness test of first class would be the best PFT you're in the higher echelon. Um, and I would maintain a first class PFT and I was stronger than other Marines, but there'd be, there'd be Marines who were not very physically fit, not strong at all at all um but they were within high weight standards and they'd always get the green light you know so i was always the one hassled which was frustrating but you know anyways so were you at uh camp david with president barack obama then yes i was that's pretty cool yep it was uh 2000 maybe 2010 to 2012 yeah is when i was at camp david yeah

you had like really cool jobs in the marine corps yeah absolutely yeah i did and i'm uh i'm really yeah grateful that i got the both those opportunities um i know a lot of marines that had different you know uh a different situation uh my brother was in he was a marine before me and he went like right after 2000 2001 so he was in the battle for illusion all that i just had a far different experience than i did um so i got to do yeah uh not typical marine grunt stuff but still really cool uh honorable jobs yeah yeah that's awesome okay um so one other follow-up question on the marine who who is the would dan greeksby be the strongest marine that you've ever been aware of or is there anyone else uh through your time you know obviously you were very into lifting the whole time and you're probably aware of any strong marines that were around um do you remember any stories of anyone that was particularly strong as a marine

or anything else like that other than dan i would say dan is i mean by powerlifting standards yeah definitely the strongest deadlift um there were guys in my section and like I said, they weren't really into powerlifting. A lot of it was just being big and strong. Um, but there were, uh, there was one guy in particular, um, name, his last name was Hill. And, uh, he would, uh, he would like power clean, just toss around three 50, power clean, just toss around 350, not in a weightlifter. Just muscle power clean 350

for reps. There were guys in the section who were benching not powerlifters, but just muscling 405 benches for 5 plus reps. Doing 315 for 30 reps on bench press.

We kind of get jaded by it because we see what the doing 315 for 30 reps on bench press. And like, we kind of get jaded by it because we see what the best powerlifters do. Right. But to like, not, not experienced that. And at the time I didn't, I just,

I knew what I could do. And I didn't, you know, I didn't know what powerlifters were doing. But just to see these dudes who like, you know, I'm trying to bench press 315 for a couple of reps and they're doing it for 20, 30 reps is just wild. But a whole bunch of guys.

But I would say my buddy, Paul, who I got into strongman with in the bodybearer section, he was one of the only guy. He was the only guy that actually did strongman with me. guy that actually did strongman with me um i would say he was the strongest uh body bearer or the strongest pallbearer i should say so when you were on a casket with him and he was in the middle of the casket which is the heaviest part uh he was he was by far the strongest it was always good to have him on your team so but it's not something that's measurable you can't say like you know he shoulder pressed this much weight um but i can say that uh having him is it's called a tugger um having him on the casket you knew that he was going to be carrying a lot of the weight so he was something about his grip and his arm strength he could carry a casket a long ways okay right and you kind of have come now more as of recent a little bit full circle on that where

uh you've lost i don't know like 40 or 50 pounds maybe and you're running quite a little bit quite a bit more than you were and um if you looked the way you look now when you're in the marine corps do you even though you know you're probably in better shape and your strength isn't much different would you have got noticed to be on the world famous body bearers? Do you think at a lighter body weight? No, unless they were, they were really needing some, some bodies to, to fill in, um, because the body bear section has, you know, if you have like, if you have 12 people in the section and four of them are getting out in a couple months like they're they're trying to find someone to fill in so maybe in that situation but no

because and i know this because they came the body bear section came to my boot camp platoon when i was in boot camp and uh they have you it's like an it's like an, it's like an auction, like for like livestock or something. Like you're standing there in your little skeevy underwears and the, they walk around and look at the Marines and they kind of like, look at you and like slap you on the shoulder. Like, Oh, this guy looks like he'd be good. And, uh, and so they, they did that to my platoon and they walked right past me in my underwear. So they they wouldn't have picked me but i was like 100 i mean i went into boot camp 180 pounds and i got down to 165 pounds of boot camp um but so i so i wasn't noticed when i was small but when i was 255 they were like oh this is a big this is a big guy

let's see if he's strong enough yeah um so i think now no i don't think i would have been noticed but uh and you are doing quite a bit more running now. We've, you know, watched the videos and stuff. What is, uh, what was your original motivation in, into getting back into more running? I've liked running ever since I can remember. Um, and, and like now, you know, obviously powerlifters will, uh, kind of mark their strength is how much I can squat bench and deadlift. But previously, you know, before I got seriously into powerlifting and strongman, my, my measure of like my athletic

ability was, was more about running how fast I could run or how far. And so I always have liked running, but you know, when I got into competing in strongman and when I really got bit by the iron bug and I wanted to gain weight and get stronger and there's nothing wrong with that. And I wouldn't changed any of it. But I just like quickly realized, Hey, running's not going to help this. Um, so I stopped doing it. Um, and I just stopped for a long time. I kind of just had, for whatever reason, an itch, uh, this year to start running again, um, and just start easy. Um, but I actually enjoy running. I'm not doing it for any reason other than I do like it. Um, and it's my preferred

method of doing any cardio. Um, so I'm trying to kind of be my own experiment and balance it to see how much running I can get away with while still, you know, uh, maintaining my body weight and still being somewhat strong. Um, so that was kind of the motivation. I've just always liked it. And I just wanted to just recently got back into it. So do you feel like, have you been able to stay what you would consider strong, you know, relatively strong while, because I mean, you're doing significant running, like you're, yeah, you're not like doing a 5k once every six months. Right. Yeah. I have, uh, I have noticed, I mean, admittedly when I did start running, I, uh, was still going to the gym just as much, maybe even more, uh, just as often, but I just wasn't stressing about pushing the weights or putting a whole bunch of intensity in the sessions.

It was kind of just lifting weights cause it was good for me. So it's hard to say when, you know, in the past year, people have asked how much is running affected my strength. I don't really know. I know that my strength isn't like an all-time high, but I think that's more because I'm not putting huge emphasis on pushing my numbers. But with that said, I have been deadlifting quite a bit and I've got like some deadlift and running goals and I'm actually going to test it this week. So I'm going to go for a big deadlift tomorrow. And then, uh, I'm going to go for a, I'm going to test my mile time, which is not a long run, but I'm going to test my mile time the next day on Friday. Um, so yeah, I have been putting more effort recently into deadlifts just to kind of prove to myself that I can improve both simultaneously.

So do you, you got to have some kind of numbers in mind. Do you want to share what those are? Are those secret? Yeah. So, so what I'm trying to do, uh, just as, uh, just strictly for fun, uh, I had said a while ago, I think it'd be cool to deadlift 600 pounds and run a six minute mile on the same day. Just because we seem to like to like have numbers like be the same. I don't know. But, uh, but yeah, so I'm, what I'm going to do is I'm going to test my deadlift tomorrow

and then I'm going to see if I can run that same deadlift the next day, uh, for my mile. So for example, if I can pull five 50, then I, and then run a five 50 mile. I know I can't, I can't get 600 for in a six minute mile right now. Um, but it's also kind of this play on, I just, I'm putting more pressure on myself to deadlift more because then that gives me some leeway for my run. So I don't have to run as fast, but if I shut the bed on deadlift then i'm gonna have to pick it up on the mile um so anyways i've been doing that lately and i'm gonna actually test it this week so a six and six would be pretty impressive that's gonna be a very small group of people because a 600 deadlift is not um you know that's not people

people aren't you know doing that well usually if I associate someone doing that, I just assume that them and running have departed ways a long time ago. Yes. Yeah. So now that I've been running, I've just been, uh, uh, finding more guys who are into running and lifting. Um, and, uh, it's kind of opened my mind to like, you know, what people are capable of. There's this guy called named, uh, Adam Clink and he's, he is, or was a CrossFitter,

but he was, I don't know about the first, but, uh, he, he, he squatted 500 pounds and ran a five minute mile on the same day. Um, and he actually wrote a program kind of what he was doing and that's what i've been following but i'm doing deadlifts instead um and then there's another guy uh marcus hunt i believe his name but he he just recently did he deadlifted 715 benched 360 and then ran a marathon all in the same day and so i just yeah so I see this kind of stuff and I'm like, maybe running doesn't kill my gains as much as I thought it would. Anyway, and I don't know if these guys are elite runners

who get into lifting and then their running kind of decays and their lifting improves or if they were previously powerlifters who start running and their lifting starts to go down but but the running improves and we just kind of see like where they're at. I don't know, but, um, it's, it's kind of cool. It's fascinating to me to see like what, what other people can do. And it kind of opens my eyes to maybe what I can do. Um, and it is nice to have more goals, you know, rather than I was just so focused on squad bench deadlift. Now I can, you know, try and get my deadlift to line up with my mile time. Cause it really means nothing other than I just like setting goals for myself.

So, yeah. So what one for you, what goal would you say is the more challenging one, pushing the deadlift or, or the, the fast mile? Well, right now I know I can run faster than a six minute mile. So it'd be the 600 pound deadlift. But I think that, but yeah, I can, uh, if that was something that I really do want to push, I can, now that I have, I already have the six minute mile in the bag, I can put more effort into, into dead training, the deadlift.

Um, but yeah, so that's kind of what I'm doing. All right. You know, you don't strike me as someone that's particularly worried about the perception of maybe what other people think. But do you notice, are you getting a comment like, your longtime lifting followers, they feel betrayed that you're out there running? Touch your hair, you're running. Who the hell is this guy? Yeah, so I know that because running is somewhat new for me i've been trying not to post like exclusively running uh because i yeah people would just kind of check out to say like all right this guy's just a runner now um so i do try to still post just as much lifting even though maybe

running is more exciting for me now just because it's new but there there is definitely while i don't really care what people think there is i definitely trying not to just post exclusively running content, just to kind of mix both of them. But with that said, I do like to just post on YouTube and on Instagram really what my current interests are. And if that's blending, lifting, and running, that's kind of what my YouTube videos are going to be about. Yeah, that makes sense. Neither of us are particularly big runners. I think that's kind of what my youtube videos are going to be about so yeah that makes sense um neither of us are particularly big runners i think that's safe to say i do i have i have been running my like i run like i do a mile run session like once a week and i don't particularly push it i just do it for i don't know i don't even know exactly like i think i'm going to be in a little

bit better shape or whatever. That is the perception out there, I think, a lot of times. You can't be running if you really want to be lifting. That's the old perception, I think, that people have. Yeah. I find that with running, you can do it at a much, much lower intensity and still reap the benefits and get actually see some improvement more so than lifting. Like, I mean, if you're like lifting 20% of your max all the time, like it's probably not going to do much, but you can certainly run at like a very low heart rate, a very easy intensity, uh, and actually reap the benefits of running, uh, and get a lot better lift. Runners will talk about like 80% of your, your running should be in zone two, which is like pretty low heart rate. Um, so it

doesn't have to be high intensity. And I think that a lot of people make that mistake of it's, you know, they're the type that goes really hard and pushes in the gym, uh, lifting big weights and lifting heavy. And then they try to do that same thing for running. Like I got to sprint my ass off or sprint more, you know, run really fast or do a lot of runs, go run 10 miles and really push myself. Cause I watched, you know, David Goggins videos and it just, it's just way too much too soon. So yeah, running, you can get away with just really low intensity runs and you'll actually get better. So what about like all the, like, um, I don't know,

running technique guys say someone else may, you know, if someone else is a lifter and now they're running and they like big into like these different uh there again something i don't actually know about so maybe it's authentic and important or maybe it's not that important like how important is like honing your technique if you're getting into running or should you just be running a little bit you know like to me i just did it yeah i'm like i don't know make sure your arms aren't crossing sideways and your legs aren't going in the wrong direction like i never thought I need to overthink that that much. Yeah, I definitely don't think you need to. And, and like, there's a, there's an old lady in my, who lives in my neighborhood and I

see her running. I feel like I see her like whenever I'm outside, like leaving at like 6am, I see her running. So like, I feel like she's running whenever I see her. I don't know like she's running whenever i see her i don't know if she's running more than that or if i just see her anyway she's running like multiple days a week uh and she goes slow and she's a an old lady like i'd say in her 70s she's hunched over her arms are like swinging side to side uh she's like kind of on her toes like really choppy steps and i just like kind of laughed at myself thinking if like i was to approach her and like, excuse me, ma'am, you need to fix your running technique before you hurt yourself or like you're wasting your time or your technique. You know, it's just

like, I'm just like, you're good for her. Like she's out moving and she's getting her heart rate up. She's probably healthier for it, you know? So it's just's just uh she's not on social media being told that she's you know doomed because she has bad running technique you know so yeah i think i don't think it's that important there are certainly like you know tips to be a little bit more efficient and if performance is your thing like if you're like i really want to run a faster mile then i'm sure there's some things that you could clean up you know or some warm-up drills that you could do to reinforce better running technique but no i don't think it's like you know harmful or injurious to to not have a great running technique um right so yeah i mean lifting lifting is the same way

there are a lot of people at untamed strength with what what you know we might call like pretty bad technique but they're strong as hell and they're making a lot of progress and they're not getting injured like so i think your body just kind of adapts to what it's used to and if you're lifting with this technique your body's used to lifting with that technique and same with running uh one other one other running thing. What's this magic, uh, invisible stick that you use to shoot your videos? Yeah, it's called, um, I don't even know what the camera is called. It's a 360. It's a 360 camera. Um, I don't know what the name of it is, but it's a, it's a selfie stick and then it's

got a 360 camera on the end. And I guess just the way that the, the camera is built or the, the stick, it just blocks out the, the, the, um, handle. So you can't see it. Um, so I am carrying a selfie stick, but it, uh, yeah, the camera just blocks it out. So it looks invisible. It's pretty cool. It is really cool.

It looks awesome. You can see my hand and a fist because I'm holding it. And then if I'm running, that hand's not like swinging very much. But yeah, it's pretty cool. And it's a 360 camera at all times. So I don't have to, as I'm running, I don't have to aim the lens anywhere. You just run with it. And then all of the editing is done post-production. as I'm running, I don't have to aim the lens anywhere. You just run with it. And if, and then all of the editing is done post post production. So if you, so if I was running and I wanted to,

you know, zoom, you know, turn the camera around to, to look at whatever I'm seeing, I can at any point. Um, or if I was running in the woods and a bear runs by at, you know, at whatever two minute mark, um, I can just flip the camera around by at you know at whatever two minute mark um i can just flip the camera around afterwards you know after it was recorded and see the bear and then come back to me so it's pretty cool to move around i don't have to move the camera at all um so yeah it's a cool cool piece of technology it seems like one of those things like 10 years ago you've been like no i don't think that's real like and now it's just like so low-key it just it exists and people like okay yeah whatever i guess that's the thing yeah yeah and i i had when i originally saw it uh it was used for like extreme sports like i saw snowboarders

using it and stuff uh and i'm like dang is that like a mini drone like yeah but yeah it's a little it's a little selfie stick camera huh do you see many bears there in sacramento no but i've been uh camping in tahoe a couple times and if you do you will get it on your selfie stick still yes there were bear sightings not while i was running unfortunately but yeah alan we've no bears in sacramento we've've got well the third street barbell it's a good goody bear I think they have that bear in Sacramento oh yeah yeah right good company yeah good company

we've got this little game we like to play with every guest we actually played this with you a few years ago so I know for a fact you're familiar with it it's called overrated or underrated and we've got a specific special set of Alan Thrall topics for you and it's uh called overrated or underrated and we've got a specific uh special set of alan thrall topics for you and it's your job to decide if each one's overrated or underrated

and you just got to remember you can't ride the line you have to uh definitively answer on either side of the fence there i love it this is my favorite segment of the whole show it is kind of what people tune in for the rest of it is the rest of it's basically crap. And you just get to this. Okay. So overrated or underrated Disneyland? Oh, man. Overrated. So that if people hear this, they stop going.

So it's not so damn busy. But I will say it is very fun to go with kids with your kids um not just because they could do it well i mean if you're like yeah if you're like going with your friend and you're taking their kids no but your kids it is pretty cool um for them to experience it all um but yeah i mean going as an adult and yeah but I'm going to say overrated. What do you spend in a day in Disneyland? Isn't that something people talk about? They're like, oh, it's so expensive.

Maybe I'm thinking Disney World. I still don't 100% know the difference in the two. Yeah. Man, I don't even know. It's like going to a ball game, like a baseball game or a football game. Um, when you, it's like, yeah, can I have a hot dog? And it's like, Oh, 1375 and a beer is $11. It's all, it's all like that.

Um, I spent $9 and 75 cents on a water and, uh, yeah, stuck without one uh but yeah it's just uh crazy and then i asked him i said uh is there like a water fountain where i can just like get some water yeah uh for free you know and he was like he's like yeah there's like three water fountains here but i don't know where they are this guy worked there too he's like you're gonna have to ask around i'm like all right it's folklore that we've yeah and i did i did find one and there was no water it wouldn't work so just a problem yeah conspiracy disney conspiracy so were the lines insane uh yes but they have so everything and this wasn't my doing, this was my wife and all the other people we were with, but everything is so like automated online. Like you have to have an app for all this, unless you want to wait in line, like, you know, old school, but it's all like, you have this thing called lightning lane, which is fast pass. And so you can book your lightning lane.

Like I want to go on indiana jones lightning lane and they'll tell you they'll book it so they'll say you can go between 4 30 and 5 30 p.m that's your lightning lane window uh and then so you can kind of line up your day like that um and they have like you can pay more through the app to get these features but yeah so it's you have it lined up like okay we're gonna go to california venture and do the Spider-Man ride between 1230 and one 30. And then we have to get over to this ride to do that. Um, so they have these fast passes, but there's still a little bit of a line. Um, thankfully because I was with my kids and, uh, their cousins, my, my, my, uh, nieces, they were younger,

so it was a lot of the smaller rides. So it didn't take too long. You didn't get scared then either, probably. Yes, I was okay, thankfully. Okay. All right. Overrated or underrated motorless treadmills? I think we've seen you on a an assault uh runner we have a we have a true form

runner i think is what what we've got so yeah i'm gonna say underrated uh i always thought that it was silly and i have used them before just like uh when i was at other gyms for like seminars and whatnot i'd see one and kind of jump on it and always say, oh, this is too weird. I wouldn't like running like this. But it is very nice for if you're doing any interval work. So if you're doing run slow, run fast, there are some people who come to Untamed Strength and do a little bit more CrossFit circuit workouts. So they'll do five squats and then run 400 meters. And there's not really

anywhere to run here. And they're going to run around the gym. So it's nice just to hop on the, the motorless treadmill and just go right away and not have to get on a treadmill and like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, press it up to 11 miles an hour. And then also when you're running that fast and you want to slow down, you have to hit down or like pull the emergency red tab for it to stop. Um, so it, the start and stop is very nice. Um, it does take, it does take probably five or 10 minutes to get used to it because if you're running and you kind of space out and like run and you take like a half a step forward and you catch the front of that, that treadmill, it like shoots you um shoots your feet back so you do have to pay attention uh but yeah i'm gonna say underrated

i like it a lot it's it's funny uh to me that because we're you know we're all so used to a traditional treadmill where it's a belt that where you're beep beep beep selecting how fast you go that like the thing that seems normal is running on this machine that you're selecting I want to go this fast and then the belt spins exactly that fast and you just keep up with it where it seems a lot more natural to me the thought of like

no here's just a belt and you run on it you run however fast you know it does make way more sense yeah it's like you will run however fast your legs move you yeah it was you know the hamsters had it right yeah right yeah right however fast you move your feet is how fast it's gonna go it is weird though that i think that that's the seems less natural at this point in time but yeah i don't know maybe it was the machine thing like they you know but even then you're moving the machine i don't know yeah

so it is strange now that i think about it yeah it's very weird to have a motor on a belt and that's what you think is normal if you're going to go for a run inside yeah okay well i think also because the the the motorless treadmills have to have that curve right right so i don't think, originally, they were like, let's make this flat thing that goes around. How are we going to get it to move? Okay, let's put a motor on it. Yeah, because what you're saying is really true, though, too.

Or if you, as you're getting used to it, you're like, I want to go faster, but I feel like I'm not going faster. And then you're like, oh, I need to be, my strides need to be hitting farther to the front of this. So it's actually catching, catching the, the slope and like running around because sometimes like, as you're getting used to it,

you're like, I want to move more and I can't. And it's this weird, like stuck. Yep. Yeah. Or if you start drifting back too far and you hit the back of it. Yes.

You have to be aware of where you're running. Definitely. Okay. Overrated or underrated trt overrated and i just yeah i feel like i can't say much on the topic because i'm not a licensed physician right right but yeah just talking especially uh i'm sure you guys get it you know talk to a lot of a lot of men too just being owning a gym um but yeah i just hear a lot about it in the gym and it's just so frustrating um just how much how much weight people put on it that's become the you know that's has become the much more popular phrase, like within the last few years though, too.

And also like not even just that, but I feel like the, it's like become the, well, you know, I'm starting to get in my upper thirties. Like I just, that's kind of what you got to do to stick around. I feel like that's becoming more, maybe it is more, I don't know. It just comes up way more. Yeah. And yeah, it's like, should you go on TRT? A lot of just real vague symptoms of like, I mean, do you get tired during

the day? Yeah, I do. Are you not as strong as you once were? Yeah. Are you getting a little fluffy? Yes, I am. It's just like every person in their 30s and 40s.

Do you want to be stronger, more muscular, less body fat? It's just like every person in their thirties and forties. Yeah. Do you want to be stronger, more muscular, less body fat? Of course. Do you have a pulse? Do you drink water? Yeah.

Yeah. Right. And it's, it's yeah, just so there's just so much marketing and money involved and selling it that it's just preying on, on these guys. So maybe it was simpler just when everyone, say 15 years ago,

all the lifters and stuff, when it was just either like, nope, I'm not taking steroids, or yep, I'm going to take a whole bunch of steroids, and I'm just calling it steroids. I'm not calling it, you know, I'm not. There's no such thing as a little bit of steroids. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, like TRT.

This little bit amount is just good for me, you know, like, yeah. Yeah. This little bit amount is just good for me. Yep. Overrated, definitely. Last one, and we usually save the best for last. Overrated or underrated Pontiac Fierros?

I don't know anything about cars. I like the last person you talked to about cars uh and i didn't even know i didn't even know that's what it was when i got it it's just like oh this looks like a pretty cool little sports car like something from the 80s uh but yeah uh there were like one of the gym members was like yeah i had I had that car when I was a teenager. And then when I posted it, that's like the first comment. Everyone was like, Pontiac Hero, awesome. I was like, it is? So when you got it, did you? So I got to give an answer.

Apparently, they're underrated. I guess they're awesome, but I didn't know. At the time, though, did you know the engine was in the back, or was that a surprise, too? That was a surprise too. I had been looking for a car that was like within the 250 to $500 range. Um, and I had, I was having no luck. Like there were, there were people on Facebook marketplace, mainly not so much on Craigslist, but Facebook marketplace that had cars that were just totally picked apart.

Uh, and I would, and they were like charging ridiculous, like thousands of dollars, a couple thousand dollars for it. And I'm like, what would I do with this? Like,

it's just a frame of an old, um, but, uh, I can't remember the, uh, the exact conversation, but like paraphrasing,

this guy was like, uh, I asked him, Hey, is this, uh, you know, are you still selling this? And he was like, he was like uh i asked him hey is this uh you know are you still selling this and he was like he was like yeah yeah make me an offer and i had offered him 500 bucks for this old beater car that had it was completely hollowed out inside it had no engine the the tires were completely deflated yeah uh and he was offended by my offer. Like, what do you want?

He was like, he was like, he called me, I'm not going to say the word, but he called me a name. And then, uh, and he was like, uh, he was like, go waste someone else's time. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, like when you just said, you just said, give me an offer. I said $500. You're going to say he was excited. Yeah. Like, he's like, no idiot. I would have taken half that

yeah right um but yeah well so that that was i bought that pontiac for 500 bucks and that was the first offer and the guy was like done and i'm like damn i should have offered lower you're supposed to counter this so yeah i think it was asking a bunch of people a bunch of guys online for their old beater cars and uh, and they were accusing me of lowballing them. So then I finally got this guy who would have taken my lowball offer, but I was afraid to scare him away. So I'm like, 500? He's like, yep, sounds good. What would it give you for 100?

Yeah, for anyone that doesn't know, that's been listening and like, what is this car he's talking about? You're dedicated at Untamed Strength, dedicated car deadlift car like it sits on the car deadlift frame 24 7 right yep so you if you want to do some car deadlifts you get this set up and ready to go convenient i feel like nobody has that yeah that's that's a rarity i think yeah they're the only uh maybe maybe brute strength gym uh in virginia they have they have pretty much everything you would ever need for strongman so they might um there was actually uh titan titan gym uh not tit Titan fitness company, but Titan, uh, your old friend, Titan gym over in, I think they're in like Massachusetts. Um, but anyways, they had, they had something that I used to do that.

He has a, a barbell with a car tires on it, truck tires on it, and then you can just load plates onto it. So it was, that would sit on the car deadlift frame. And so you had this axle with tires and it felt like a car deadlift. So when you pick it up, the wheels kind of shift back. When you set it down, the wheels shift forward a little bit, so you have that little bit of rock that you get from a car deadlift. And that's what I had previously.

We've done that. And it works really well. We have a car deadlift frame down in our basement, Jim, and we do that exact. If someone wants to take the time to set it up, that's what we do is use the axle with the deadlift tires. Just, I wanted to do it and you kind of need a crew to hey will you back my car up while i like hold the frame down um and uh and then sometimes people would would be training for this competition at midnight uh that's a 24-hour exercise gym so people who come in here at midnight it's not really like a one person thing to back up your car onto a frame. Cause the frame moves and you can't see the frame on the ground or trying to back up.

So I was like, man, it'd be nice to have a car on a frame. You can deadlift it at two in the morning. If you're here training, um, at any time. And,

uh, and it just looks cool. Uh, but it's, yeah. So that's, uh, that's what the,

that's what the Pontiac Vero is. It's from, so I found one online and bought it, bought a gym car. And it is covered in stickers that you've accumulated. Yes. And after several months of having the stickers on the car, as a little side note,

I've learned a lot about stickers. That some are very cheap and some are like quality decals. Like after just like a week of being on there, it's just a piece of dried paper that like floats away in the wind. And then there are decals there that are just stuck on there that are never, yeah, they're going to peel the paint off if I take them off. So it's like a mixture of like really clean looking decals

and then just like, or even like it's been rained on now. And they're just white stickers. All the ink in the sticker is gone. So yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then some that are like, they're just bleeding onto the car, like the ink. So yeah, I think with stickers, you get what you pay for. So if you're paying for some premium decals, they're probably going to last longer than the paper the paper stickers the favorite i noticed

on there i'm pretty sure i saw this from a video the other day i had to zoom in on it brandon campbell a friend of ours you know his his uh tagline bar don't lie i'm pretty sure i saw a sticker on there that says car don't lie and i thought i like i had to triple look at that and i got such a laugh out of that yeah he made that and sent it to jimmy so yeah custom made yeah it's been pretty cool seeing uh what what people have sent so the car don't lie is definitely probably that's the tops you know all the stickers we're gonna we're gonna actually now that i think about it we're gonna brainstorm and maybe we can come up with a completely original sticker for it.

I'd like to outdo Car Don't Lie because that's really good. Something that specifically incorporates the Fiero. I love it. That'd be awesome. There's been some people who, a lot of times it's like, hey, this is my

company. If you could shout us out on instagram it'd be really cool to put the sticker on the car um but there are there are some people who send in an envelope it's just a picture of their face like it's a sticker of their face and there's no context no instagram tag no i like, all right, they're going on the car. Or just companies like there was one that was like he's a tax advisor or something.

Any and every form of marketing, they're going to take it. Yeah, just totally random stickers on that car, but it's cool good news it looks like you passed overrated underrated for a second time now actually so congratulations two and oh awesome awesome very happy one other thing i was going to ask since we're talking about it you know you literally now have a car on a dedicated deadlift platform on tame strength

looks like it's grown it's enormous now and like you have so much equipment and like recently i think i saw you post that you got a uh what i would call like the car yoke uh replica basically like where it's like the car yoke walk straps and you have like a frame for that to simulate that i'm like are you do you feel like you're nearing like final form completion like are you struggling to think of anything or do you do you think that that's that that point exists because we have a gym too and i kind of sometimes think about that but it's like there's always a never-ending list but it seems like you kind of got almost everything. Yeah, I have surpassed what my dream vision was of what I wanted on Tame Strength to be

probably a few years ago. Honestly, it was good enough. I was happy. But at this point, there's not a ton more equipment that I want or need right now. It's more of kind of just duplicating what I already have. So instead of having one log, I want five logs.

And now that I have five logs, I want 10 logs. Um, and it's nice to have, uh, for a strongman stuff, it's nice to have a huge variety. Um, and I like having a little bit more unique stuff so that it's not just, you know, all Rogue Fitness stuff. I have a bunch of Rogue Fitness and I like Rogue Fitness, but anyone can get that. But it's cool to have like this big, crazy yoke or frame that was made by someone you know, or this company that doesn't sell a lot of equipment. made by someone you know, um, or this company that doesn't sell a lot of equipment.

Um, so it's more like I want more frames and more circus dumbbells and more logs, um, one to accommodate more people, because if it's a busy training day on a Saturday and everyone's training for strongman competitions, it's helpful to have more than one circus dumbbell, uh, because a bunch of people might be training it. So just kind of adding more depth to the equipment is my goal right now. Um, as well as there are, uh, quite a few members of the gym now who are very competitive going to, uh, do really well and even win or one of the, one of the women play second at nationals, going to the Arnold, going to OSG. So they're going to these big competitions that have certain equipment that they use. So it's nice to be able to accommodate them and say, hey, we're using the same frame or yoke that they're using at nationals or whatever. So having those options, I think, is the goal now.

I just like acquiring more of the same stuff as well as filling in the gaps. It's funny that when I first started out, having this bare bones gym with really like, what we might call hardcore equipment or having a cool squat rack or a power bar was very unique because people are coming from commercial gyms. So they want this hardcore stuff. They want an Atlas stone because they've never seen one. But now that all these, you know, all the members and all these people have access to Atlas stones

and sandbags and cool hardcore equipment, they want more of the commercial stuff back. You know, I want those, I want that, that hamstring machine because I like doing accessories with it. Or it'd be nice to have a treadmill to warm up on. So it's like we,

we get all of the stuff that they didn't have and now they want the stuff that they used to have. So it's just kind of like filling in everything. And eventually, I'm going to be pressured

into getting a gym pool, which might go on the top of the gym. I don't know. Yeah, so i have noticed that yeah right so yeah people who train in commercial gyms really want the unique strength equipment and then people who have been in these warehouse gyms for the last five years are like it'd be cool to have a nice smith machine for accessories you know so yeah yeah that's true i think that's funny that's a

that's a good point okay yeah well that's really good we appreciate it alan i believe everyone can find you at on tame strength on instagram and youtube is there is that right and is there anywhere else people should be checking you out at that's it just on time strength and youtube the gym if you're listening and you're in the area, Northern California area, uh, the gym is, uh,

untamed strength. It's in Sacramento and the website's train untamed.com. Excellent. We appreciate it. It's a lot of fun. We're thankful that, uh, you came back on again.

Absolutely. Thanks for the invite. And I'd like to do a third time. Yeah. We'll, we'll get ahold of you in like a 2024, 2025, about a hundred weeks. Does. Thanks for the invite. And I'd like to do it a third time. Yeah, we'll get a hold of you in 2024, 2025. About 100 weeks. Does that work for you?

Sounds good. All right. Thanks, Alan. All right. See you guys. Cool beans! Cool beans! Cool beans! You got the cool beans? You gave him the double serving, didn't you? Double serving. He's been on twice now. Oh, yeah. That's why he got the cool beans give him the give him the double serving double serving every week i'm not

twice now oh yeah so that's why normally people don't get that you know every week i'm gonna try to act more surprised that you give them the double double serving really i'm just feeling generous today all right well i guess he deserved him yeah alan's a lot of fun he is he is he's a lot of fun. He is. He is. He's a good guest always. Yeah. Plenty to say. Interesting takes on things. Yeah. Experienced a lot. Yeah. I seriously thought you were just like throwing a random guess out there that he did the body

bear. I mean, did you? I think I knew someone somewhere. I think maybe Grant from the strength co told me that one time and like digging back. Yeah. Because Grant also did that. Because Grant, also a Marine. Yes.

We've had quite the list of Marines on the podcast before. We have. Just a weird coincidence, I guess. Tanner, I'm going to tell you about a little story here. All right. That story is from our friends at Texas Power Bars. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights in the late 60s and began power lifting in the mid-70s.

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ground today didn't we we did actually and you know we never even talked about all our new drop from not that long ago you know we had i'm wearing the we're getting really good at waiting until the end of the podcast yeah it's just a test to see if people tuned in i'm wearing the never gonna stop t i like this t it is a nice t i've been wearing this one for days i had it on the other day i've had the sweatshirt i'm never gonna stop wearing it i never i'm never gonna stop you're talking about the mixed sweatshirt. Yep. The hoodie.

Our no vowels hoodie. A lot of people running with good no vowel jokes. Love that hoodie. That hoodie's been hitting a lot of final destinations this week, and I've heard nothing but good reviews back on that. Yeah, a lot of really good feedback. A lot of people saying, this is my favorite blend of hoodie yet. Yep.

Which is nice because we felt the same way. Yeah, yeah. So that is, I finally were justified on that. And then people have been getting the socks. I'm not wearing the socks right now. I'm not wearing the socks. I've worn them so much they're all dirty. But I have seen a lot of good feedback on the socks as well.

And I do really like the socks. I've been continuing to those and then and then there's the mug last and least the mug um people overall i guess pretty decent reviews about the mug uh which is surprising i think it's we're just setting the bar solo yeah yeah last and of course least, the mug. I really enjoyed Big Jeff's meme about the mug today. Do not put it in the dishwasher. So the thing about the mug, it will last longer if you don't put it in the dishwasher. Some people have put it in the dishwasher. Against better judgment. Against the rule.

Against what we suggest. Better judgment. We now know who lives recklessly in the group here. I assume you haven't seen it. Is it gremlins? What do you not put in the lot let up stay up after midnight or whatever? I could see how that'd be. I haven't seen gremlins, but I could see how that'd be a gremlins thing. It's like you don't put the Masonomics mug in the dishwasher

because stuff will happen and you don't want to find that out. Some people say nothing happens. But we're saying stuff could happen. I've actually sent one of mine to the... Actually, I shouldn't say that. I should say my wife put some to the dishwasher. My wife.

Okay. That just reminded me. Did you see what I tagged you in? I wanted to the... Actually, I shouldn't say that. I should say my wife put some to the dishwasher. My wife. Okay. That just reminded me. Did you see what I tagged you in? I wanted to tell you this the other day, and I didn't know if you actually saw it. My knife. Yeah. Yes.

A lot of people tagged Mastodonics in that. It's so dumb. I got to pull it up here. It was really good. What if Michael Myers finally spoke, and his first words were, my knife, in a Borat voice. It's just so stupid. I like that uh it was a good timely halloween joke too yeah i wish we would have came up with that

instagram we would have gotten literally tens if not hundreds of likes on instagram instagram uh went had a little wacky uh thing the day. Oh, yeah. They were deleting everyone. We went down, like, almost, at one point, almost a thousand followers and then they all magically came back.

Like, later that day. Yeah, a lot of people we knew got their accounts. Their account was just gone. Yeah. That would suck.

That would suck if that happened to the Masanomics account. I'd be pretty concerned about that. I would let them destroy my personal account 50 times over before that would really hurt that that would suck i was a little worried that that would you know losing i never thought about it from that perspective yeah losing a thousand followers it's like well i don't know it is really a vanity metric at that point unless we're going to be

unless it's going to double in size or something, then that's probably helpful. Can you imagine trying to start an account from scratch in these days with everything going on? It is. They might as well, when you go sign up for an Instagram account, they might as well just have a box that says,

are you sure you even want to do this? Right. Are you sure this is even worth your time? Like, oh, you're a business trying to use this program? I agree that I think this is worth my time, but really, like, they should make you're a business trying to make trying to use this program that i think this is worth my time but really like they should make you check a box but are you sure because no we're not we're gonna make sure even if people choose to follow you we are going to make sure they do not see what you have even if you pay us money we will also make sure people do not see it

yeah and we talk a lot of this about the stuff behind the scenes, but there's a lot of odd, you know, I don't even know. We won't get into it on the podcast today because I can probably talk for just an hour about this, but like what Instagram chooses to, I don't know, promotes the right word, but even just like get in front of. Present. Yeah, yeah. And like we've always been kind of roll with the punches with, but even just like get in front of. Present. Yeah, yeah. And like we've always been kind of roll with the punches with Instagram.

Like, ah, we get it. It's a faceless machine that you're just kind of fighting against. At their mercy, yeah. But man, whatever settings they have dialed in on that machine right now are almost like against what you even want. Almost against what anyone wants right now. And we're not even just referring to our account. our account we're also you know from talking to others and also like monitoring some of what you see on other people's it's pretty wild like how

how little engagement they allow some accounts to have right right it's shocking actually that this many people can say oh i have i have signed up to follow this account. And Instagram says, no, okay. Well, we will show this to 0.01% of the people. Yeah, and why can't, I know we've said this amongst each other at least, you know, obviously TikTok has become very popular, like maybe the most widely used app. I believe it is. That there is.

But why can't there be a social media app that focuses on picture like why why did instagram also have to be tiktok i think it's just why does youtube have to be tiktok you know with their shorts and then why does facebook have to be like i'm and i guess obviously like not to create somebody somewhere knows what they're doing but i'm like maybe maybe but my thing is why isn't there a demand for a social media platform where pictures are maybe like the primary i think on the people side of things there is that demand but i don't know if on the business wall street side of things that that fits that doesn't yeah business case yeah i mean it has to be like i don't see them doing it for any other reason other than they think it's going to make them more money yeah more higher returns yeah why are they

going to like pivot the whole way people expect this after work unless they think it's going to make them more money like it wouldn't make any other sense isn't facebook doing absolutely horrible right now though maybe they should be listening take a look at that well it's because they're trying so hard on this metaverse thing which is hilarious how bad it's failing um yeah we were mentioning this the other day let's just just since we're on the topic let's just look really quickly here so they're high yeah and i i say facebook i know the meta yeah yeah whatever i don't know that that's still i mean everyone still knows they're not fooling anyone um the other high for their stock was like 380, 390-ish.

And that was how long ago? That peak was in September of last year. Just over a year ago. Yeah, just over a year ago. And so from September, I'm sorry. Yeah, September 20. Yes, yes. Just over a year ago.

And now, so they've gone from about 390 a share to they are now trading as of today 90 a share yeah so less than if less it's cut less than basically 75 they're down um i was actually watching a video on this it was today uh talking about like how bad of a failure this metaverse thing is and just how no one uses it and how just they're not getting anything right on it um and i'm not to say like i don't i i think vr is cool and i think like vr and ar has tons of possibilities but it does seem like facebook is going about it in the worst way because they can't get anyone excited about right but like it like mark Mark Zuckerberg's money,

you know, his wealth, he was one of the 10 richest guys in the world. His wealth is so tied directly to the stock price that this is like destroying his net wealth. Yeah, he's gone from being one of the 10 richest guys, whether it's in America or the world. I mean, the number kind of is irrelevant, but like he's not in that group anymore.

Like he's no longer in there because the stock is tanking so hard and investors aren't showing any confidence in his vision that he has for this metaverse thing that's not panning out at all so be interesting to see what happens in the next i mean facebook is going to still make tons of money off of that ad thing like they always got that but um and i'm sure old zucks will be fine but uh yeah he doesn't like it yeah i think they're laying off quite a few people too and twitter's got weird stuff going on too doesn't it they do there's all kinds of weird oh my god we're actually our conversation ended in like

that's a really weird like right now the time we live in this second is a really weird time for social media it is it's like's like, I think the weirdest, it was kind of like there, there was like this period from like, I don't know, 2012 to like 2018 where you kind of knew what was going on, what to expect at what social media platform. Yeah. And it kind of felt like positive.

Like it felt like you could get in and you could make content and you could be a part of engagements and you could be a part of the community and you could get followers and make connections. And now it almost feels like all social media is not only like hostile to the users, but like hostile to the world in general. Like it all feels like it's this negative, like energy pool of just,

yeah, just the worst. Everything at Twitter right now, aren't they talking about like that they're forcing like that people are having to work like 80 hours that's what the reports are like there's the reports but they're gonna downsize the workforce like yeah there's talks of like mass firings and 80 hour work weeks and hit this deadline or you won't work here but then there's also you get reports at the same time of elon saying no no no none of that's true none of that's true and i'm like okay my thought all that shows again is there's something messed up happening there yeah and my thought was like i the one little thing i read it didn't talk about this but i'm like i was talking about wanting to

downsize the workforce and then that makes yeah make them work 80 hours a week because then you don't have to fire people it's going to be survival of the fittest and you just like well why would you even decide to work there if you're like a software engineer why do you say yeah you would just this is where i decide to work but then i suppose it would just take care of it it's like well we don't have to fire you because everyone you know like you just lost 75 at a certain point though like and i i don't work in the tech world but places do develop reputations you would think at certain point like people are just like forbidden fruit like no you just think like

okay you have that reputation i'm not going to go there no matter how much you pay me right i'm not going to go there yeah they're tainted but i guess at some point if they get enough money um you know people do anything for money so i don't know yeah social media it's like sell overpriced shorts that's right. But it is. We were just saying it. It's just social media is in such a weird spot right now. It's like everything's kind of trying to be TikTok, but also not be TikTok, but also everyone

hates it, but they use it at the same time. And they may not have these evil geniuses. I use both of those terms in very relative meanings, but you have these, I don't know, egomaniacs, I should say, running your companies that are essentially deciding what the rest of us get to read and see on a daily basis. It's all so bizarre.

It's kind of messed up. It kind of just feels like there's too many, I don't know. I don't know. It's weird, man. Twitter in general is still a weird place to be. And also, yeah, who uses Twitter? That's actually the biggest question.

Who the hell is using Twitter? God. And I know there'll be a few people listening, they're like, oh, it's my favorite one. Oh, I get so many, I get so much, stay up on all the news that's happening on there. Yeah, there's also news websites

that do the exact same thing. Well, and I guess, yeah, and I guess if I Google something, the Twitter hits are one of the things that come up, but that's how I check it. I Google it and the popular tweets will come up in a Google search. I don't need the app, really. No, you don't.

I know. There was one time where I thought Twitter was kind of fun and exciting, and now it just seems to be like that's where politicians go to try and make. Right. Give their hot takes to like try to prove how relevant they need to be. And also that's where celebrities go to say really dumb things to ruin their careers. Like. Yeah.

Is Twitter good for anyone at this point anymore? We had a. There was at one point in time there was a massomics twitter there was but it went uh went extinct it had to go bye-bye there is a tiktok there is and i'll go in streaks of trying to use that until it and then i'll get like nope there's not value here and then i'll be like oh probably should do it back on the horse i'll be like nope but uh i think the biggest problem of why massonomics tiktok at least for now won't take off is because even if i'm posting on it i'm not using the app and i

think you need to be really like very in tune yeah you with the trends right i do think you need to be really like very in tune. Yeah. You, I trends, right. I do think you need to be using the app to some degree. If you really want to try to get the app to work for you, you got to know what dance moves hit the hardest to what song. Yes. Yes. Where it's like on Instagram, if all we ever did was just go on and throw our post on that on there, you can just be like your own little unique voice in the world where the

whole, I guess I don't use Tik TOK. So maybe what the hell do I know? But from the outside looking in Tik TOK is just a fricking trend. Like you got to go with the flow. You got to go, you got to chase what the algorithm wants harder there than anywhere. Don't you?

Yeah, I think so. In a one other bit of news in, in gaming news, I do have a Nintendo Switch now. You do? Yes. Jack has it.

Yep. My son. So you're officially a gamer family now. We're big gamers. Have you been playing it much at all? I saw there was some Excitebike on it the other day. Yeah. I actually loved Excitebike.

That was one I always enjoyed a lot. Excitebike was one of my favorites. This, along with all the games i have this nostalgia for these and then you're like oh they are so and i know people say this even and it is true but they are so underwhelming yes but i'm like like to the point of i'm like well how did i think this was fun yeah let me explain how did i do this for more than five minutes because right now i can't do it for more than five minutes let me explain to you what we did for fun when we were kids you know jack was like so you just hold down the button and i was like yeah but you can't

overheat so you have to also let go of the button so i'm like all i'm doing in this game yeah is like uh all you do in this game is like a button. And it looks like that. And it sounds like that. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Or, well, but after we got done riding our bikes for 12 straight hours, we had to do something different. It's true. And we'd already watched Billy Madison 30 times.

So we played excited. So we were like, excite bike was the next thing. Yeah. Well, I've also played tech mobile. And, uh, there again, I'm like, Oh, I don't know. I never liked the sports games when I was a kid. I never, and a lot of people did. I never liked those, though.

Yeah, and so he's not so much about the old ones, but we did get them just because, I don't know, it's a thing you can get. There's Nintendo 64 games on there, too. I haven't looked into that. Some of those could be fun. But then also it doesn't have, like, I want it to have Goldene I, or a double Oh seven.

Yep. You know, and I wanted to have like NFL blitz and like a 10 80 snowboarding. And it like, that doesn't have like, well, I think the libraries may be expanding and that's probably part of what they do is in that,

in that same vein though, of like some of this stuff sucks so bad. Mario of any kind still holds up. So good. Oh, like Mario one andio 3 are both still really good games we did bust those out a little bit and i'm like uh i think mario 3 is the best nintendo game and yes yeah like super mario world is still amazing too yeah those games the hold up

super mario is really good too i still like i like super mario i like so you're talking about super nintendo mario super nintendo yeah um i really like that mario also but i still i think i like mario 3 better than on that's probably the one i've played the most would be three yeah um like the final level when you're on like that pirate ship and stuff is just yeah with all the fire going yeah if you don't get nervous when that's going on you don't have a pulse if you don't get a little sweaty and like um that's that's a good game but uh so he has um whatever games but then i always liked uh 2k and he has nba we got nba 2k for it and um i'm shocked newest one yeah and i'm shocked at how good it looks on a on a handheld thing yeah and i'm like what probably looks better because it's an

oled screen yeah and i was just like uh but i do like how you can like play it off the tv or on the screen and stuff like that so there's some cool functionality of video games that didn't exist uh back when i still played video games yeah they also have this new feature now where they basically turn children into gambling addicts i don't know if you're aware yeah no we're that's not a society we have determined now we're okay yeah yeah we have pretty strict rules on it at least as of now with it being new of like uh uh they do have good uh nintendo at least has features in there like where i can control ah like some parental stuff in there that you can only spend 500 this month on or basically you can't spend any like that's

actually that actually is just a rule that i've set in place i'm like you're not allowed to spend any money in a game yeah like like I am pretty wholeheartedly against that. I know that that's a boomer take, I'm sure. But I'm like, no, we'll buy games. We'll buy it if you want to play them. Yeah, you are not buying. Yes, I will not do that. Maybe you convince me if it's a shooting game

that the only way you can get this gun is to do it. I'm like, maybe you could occasionally convince me on that. It will not be for the... We're not going to pay money to get these pixels to light up in a different pattern. Right, right. It's big business, though. And I'm a gamer now, so I'm just another cog in the whole gaming machine.

Yep, that's how the world gaming machine. Yep. That's how the world works now. Yep. That's your gamer. Start watching some Game of Thrones. Are you done with Game of Thrones yet? Or whatever the hell the new one's called? Yeah.

You did watch all of it? Yeah. It's still on our to-do list. All I'd say, I won't spoil anything for that, but I liked it. Okay. But I am not a fantasy, like Lord of the Rings is good.

It doesn't excite me that much. You know, like these shows are good. They don't excite me that much. However, Game of Thrones is so good. The original Game of Thrones television. Not to so drama and just crank it up 20 levels i am actually now re-watching yeah game of thrones it doesn't it doesn't matter if you're a fantasy person or not and i am not it's just like i'm not drama that's what i always say like it's but what the the new one lacks that the original one what the original one what makes it so good to me is following so many different storylines and the moving around that you're like oh thank

god we're back to these people i've been i can't wait to find out what's going on with them like and you couldn't it's very very hard to say especially in like the first two seasons like this is the main this is the main character like you couldn't really say that there's like seven different like you get done with an episode you're like okay i think this guy is the main, this is the main character. Like you couldn't really say that. There's like seven different main. You get done with an episode and you're like, okay, I think this guy's the main character. And then you don't hear from him for two hours,

three hours. That I, that's what I love about shows. Like the wire is kind of the same way. It is. It's more of the, um, ah,

there's a, there's a term. I still haven't seen the wire. I know. I'll probably watch game of Thrones a third time before I see the wire. Well, I'm, I'm 300 hours deep in game of Thrones.

I still haven't had time to get to the wire. But it's more of, they're all just, I think what makes those shows so good is you can see how they're all just like a cog in the wheel. Whereas in a lot of the other, they're like one gear on the cog. One tooth on the cog. Where as in a lot of other shows,

you know who the cog is like yeah and then the world revolves around them where it's like no no you're just one little piece and if whether you're here tomorrow or a year from now or three years from now on the show it doesn't matter like it's going to keep moving right that's what makes us so good right i agree everyone seems so fragile at any given point the new one uh there is really good dragon action so people are going to like the dragon action, of course. But I don't know. I never relied on the dragon action to make the show good for me.

No, like it's cool and it's like it's a badass, but it kind of always felt like a gimmick to me. I'm like, no, no. Like, yeah, this is entertaining, but I want to know what the hell these people are going to do. What's going on here? And I did rewatch. I made it to the scene where Half half thorn game with oh okay yeah

the original one it's fun it's actually really fun watching because it's been because i watched those in real time when they came out so it's been a long ass time since i've seen these so i'm like oh my god this is like i'm getting to re-watch it all over again i'm like so excited for 10 years from now when i get to re-watch it again and like, this is like new again. But Half-Thor seems like half the person he is. It's funny, there was two or three people that played that character before he comes on

in season four. Because he's more covered, isn't he? Not right away in season four, but then he gets zombified or whatever, and then he's always really covered. But in the first two or three seasons it's not half thor it's a completely different actor okay you know like they have right now yeah not only is it one completely like in season one it's one guy in season two it's a guy and then eventually in season three or four it becomes half thor

and then when he talks it's not his voice even so i'm like what was he even doing he was just standing there looking like a body double yeah yeah on the screen yeah because i'm like it's it's so weird you know having like you know listen that guy you know stood stood there next to him and interviewed him before he like you know his voice and then you watched it on tv and at the first time i watched it i wouldn't have necessarily known that i'm like oh what is his voice it's like off putting to me that it's so wrong you know they already forgot about I can't even really picture

remember what his voice was like yeah that's but what I was going to say the scene where he crushes his skull is so good that I was like so I'm like that is horrific and I really like it that's it. Tommy, where do they, is there anything else that we kind of cover?

I'm going on vacation. We'll talk about that when I get back. Okay. Yeah. That'll be more exciting to talk about the vacation. On the other side of it. Versus. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that when I get back. North Dakota is really nice this time of year. Hope I can beat that cold front. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that when I get back. North Dakota is really nice this time of year. Hope I can beat that cold front. Yeah. Yeah.

And where in the meantime, where do they find you? You'll post vacation. If you want to keep up on some vacation pics, you can follow me. Do you think you'll post any vacation? I'm pretty sure I will post at least one. Okay.

Maybe one care. What? Maybe one carousel of, uh, maybe, maybe some live videos. I'm more of a live art. Sorry.

Stories. I'm more of a story guy when it comes to vacations yeah i'll probably have some of those i'll probably have at least a picture though stories are good yeah so capture good kid things in the stories and yeah yeah all that all right you can find me at tomahawk underscore d you can follow me at tanner underscore bear no vacation for me so nothing to check out but uh check out massonomics it's like massonomics is on a forever vacation. That's at Mastanomics.

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