Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 366: Mike Israetel

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Big Mike Israetel is back! We talk with him about the future of artificial intelligence, the anabolic secret window, and of course… penis jokes. Mike is a blast to talk to, and we think you will all really enjoy this one! Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://store.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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I did just think of something. I knew there was something I wanted to tell you, Tanner, and I remember now. Save it for the podcast. I went on a little road trip. Actually, we have a lot to cover. But I went on a little road trip. I know I'll forget this, so I don't say it right away. Yeah.

And what do you do on road trips? You listen to podcasts. And I think we've talked about it before. We're both fans of the show Serial, the uber-famous podcast. We've listened to a fair... What is that, Sarah Koenig? Yeah, something like that, yep. And recently in their feed, they've put a few other things that are not Serial-related,

but typically they have a pretty good ability to find shows that are interesting. And they had one about this cold case murder in Laramie, Wyoming. And listen to that. And it was fine, whatever. It wasn't the best thing, but it wasn't the worst. It was sure it was worth the time. No big deal. And then we got done. We had a little bit of time and it's like, ah, it's not enough to start another big show. And I'm remembering in the discord, people were talking about, there was a show, some murder podcast that talks about Aberdeen. And I'm like, Oh, I think everyone was mentioning this. I need to go find out what this is. And I believe you listened

to it. Is it my favorite murder? Is that what it is? Small town murder, isn't it? Or is that what it's called? Small town murder. I don't even remember. I think so. Yeah. I just listened to it a couple of weeks ago. So did you listen to it? The average, yeah. Small time order. The Aberdeen one. Yes. Okay. And I didn't, I'm actually not all the way through it. Okay.

And I had, cause it's like, is it almost a three hour episode? I believe two and a half. I think so. Yeah. It's something like that. So it is a really funny because I didn't realize they go and talk about Aberdeen quite a bit in the beginning. And my wife from the get go hated it.

She thought this was so annoying she goes these guys talk so much and get nothing done like she could not stand it yeah and once the show gets going a little more i'm like okay i want to know what's going to happen with this murder next like they're going on too long at certain times but that's as a first-time listener but what really struck me about listening to them is what's the name of the guy that does most of the talking i don't know what his name is okay but i know what you're talking about you know the other one that does less talking yeah yeah the sidekick that guy reminds me so much of darren like that guy makes me think of darren like in the like the stuff he says the things he the way he laughs the stuff he talks about and granted i

don't know darren as well as you but after a certain point i'm just picturing darren being the guy he's talking to and then it was making me laugh even more but yeah i i really enjoyed that episode because it was specifically aberdeen related of course and you know the things that they're talking about i'm like oh yeah okay yeah my wife there was they said a guy she goes oh i know who that guy is he he has daughters my age. And I'm like, no way. And she goes, yep, you're right on Facebook right here. I'm like, that is the same name. It's Aberdeen.

I have to believe you. You're not lying there. So I do need to finish that one. I was surprised. I didn't know it was a comedy podcast until I started listening. And I'm like, oh, I thought that this was serial, you know, basically. And I'm like, oh. So I was a little thrown off by the comedy

aspect of it at first and you know I don't know if I love their comedy or not but I maybe did grow to like it more as I listened to the episode and I'm like because I do even uh get your wife's point of where it could be you could almost be like oh it's a little annoying but as I listen to it more I'm like no I guess I gotta know them and then all of a sudden like it starts to be funnier to me the longer I listen to it and I totally see that but at there was a certain point in this I'm like get on with it what happens which I imagine is what people think every time they hear us talk about anything but right but I really and I haven't listened to other episodes but I assume they run through every small town the way that they did Aberdeen which I really like all this I love them reading the reviews and stuff.

Yes, I thought those were very good because I can picture someone that I know that would write that review. I can picture someone I know that would write that review, and then I liked how they talked about, I think, the median income and the racial percentages of everyone in the area. And then what a house. They look at some house listings. And I thought that was all very funny.

I thought it was funny the way that they described storybook land. And some of that stuff stuck out to me. And then. Because I thought that one was funny because they're like oh it's basically fair use Disneyland and I'm like actually yes that's 100% I never thought about it that way and it kind of is like that isn't it? It's probably one of those things where you go to the park or you pull up in the parking

lot and it's just a mini golf course well there actually is a mini golf course but I don't want to be the actually guy but that is one that probably out of the whole thing they had the most wrong. Yeah, yeah, that was a little bit. Good podcast episode, though.

Yeah, I did enjoy the humor about the town. I thought it was quite good. Yeah, okay, that's good stuff. Okay, so since that's done, though, how about this weather, Tanner, huh? Oh, there is some weather we've been having in western northeast South Dakota. I don't think you got it so much. I have missed all of it. I haven't yet.

Did it snow at all there like today? No, no snow. No snow. Yeah, because I saw there was like a one inch, maybe like you could get like one inch there or something like that. No. So ours started, it becomes a blur at a certain point, the way that the snow comes and goes so quickly now that i think it was on like friday we maybe got like 10 inches of snow and then by 24 hours later it and it was like oh my god we got dumped on like everyone like the whole city's out yeah

here we go another out like everyone's out moving snow and by like 24 hours later it was all gone and you could almost in some places start to see like the ground again it started to look like the least snow we've had all in five months and this is after getting almost a foot of snow and then all of a sudden like the same thing happens around here every time there's a storm coming that becomes the only thing that people can talk about. People obsess about it. People get like engrossed in this, that it's like for a week, they can't talk about anything else but this impending doom of this storm.

Impending doom. I'm kind of at the point now, I'm like, we've done this like seven times this year. It's all right every time. Don't be a dumbass. And also like five times in the last three weeks. Right. Right. And so this one was, it's like, oh oh i'm having the big one you know because this one was supposed to be like 20 plus

inches well and people get so fired up about it so early that it it it sways so much like at times like oh yeah sounds like we could get up to 18 inches which that's a lot and then all of a sudden it's like oh no forecast now we're showing we could be in the 24 to 30 inch dot which that's a lot and then all of a sudden it's like oh no forecast now we're shown we could be in the 24 to 30 inch dot which that would be a hole but i mean that would for anyone that doesn't get snow that would be a crazy amount of snow to get in one uh one storm and then it's like oh no back to 20 and they're like oh down to 12 and it's like no we're in the 18 i'm like stop worrying about it that much that far out like you know it doesn't doesn't matter that much ultimately I think

we got about a foot of snow in this last one and it was pretty windy and stuff but there again it's like I don't know woke up late cleared the snow out they plowed the roads it's melting and it kind of looks the

same that it has here for the last five months again. Yeah. Is it supposed to be really nice there this weekend too? Within a week from now, the highs are like 60. Yes. I don't know what day it hits, but I was like, oh, that's really our real problem that we're going to have.

It's not the snow because everyone is using their snow blowers and shovels like a well-oiled machine by this time of the year. But more so the problem here is going to be the potential flooding in areas of Aberdeen because we just got like two feet of snow in a week and it's all melting. And we're going to go from seven months of winter to 60 degrees in a week. You know, that is a, as a hard one 80 there. Yeah. So I think, uh, people are going to be getting ready for some basement flooding and that sort of thing. I saw a tick tock.

Someone sent me where someone's sump pump was running not this wasn't in at in western northeast south dakota but the their drain tile was like gushing gallons per minute into the or gallons per second is what like i mean it sounded like a freaking waterfall like uh niagara falls like crashing into there and the sump pump was just running constantly to keeping up and you know it was just running constantly to keeping up. And, you know, it was just like, well, keeping my fingers crossed that this doesn't quit working because it was coming in so fast, like, your whole house would be just, like, horribly flooded within, like, 30 minutes. Yeah, and there's no way. I mean, even if it quit working, if it's going that fast.

I mean, unless you're sitting right there waiting for it to go, you're just screwed no matter what. Yeah. I got most of my preparations in order for that. I actually got three working sump pumps all ready to go right now. Would you say you've ran through preparation A, B, C, D, and so on? All the way to H. You're all the way to preparation H at this point? Yeah.

That's good. If you've listened to the podcast long enough, you've probably heard that I'm not a stranger of preparation age. Been down that road before. Or was it that rod? What do we got? Any cans over there in eastern, southeast South Dakota? We do.

I've got mine here in this drink spotter light. Can you see I've got? I wish I had one of those. Oh, I don't have. If only there was one despair for me one two three four five surrounded by drink spotter there's 10 within my eyesight and this is a camera that's pointed at your face and i can see 10 of them oh interesting story i've got a aha here um orange grapefruit aha i actually went to the store because of all these storms.

I went and picked this out. Wow. Did you know how to enter the store? I went with my wife, so she showed me around. She's like, and over here is where the beverages are. And I'm like, oh, there's a whole aisle of them. And I forgot that even when I was with her I was like oh what are you gonna get and she was getting her stuff and I'm like oh wait I guess I could pick something out

uh on my own too oh am I am I allowed to do this so I picked out this like a pass to do this all right and I I almost forgot that I could maybe maybe pick something out myself so i got this aha orange grapefruit that looks delightful i'm still working on the old costco case of polars so got uh plenty to go there still um i will say i'd made a trip to a grocery store that i don't normally go to in town and it was it's a rather large one and their selection of lacroroix's Bubblies and Polars I had never seen or heard of almost any of the flavors there it was crazy so in what store was this it was in Hy-Vee but it was one of the one of their bigger locations and there were so many there that I'd never heard of my mind was blown so I'll have to make a trip there the next time

coming back through and really go crazy on the massonomics credit card yeah just like rack things up this is good this is a four all day i might even give this a four and a half that's a good flavor flavor profile ah uh tommy did you know that we're on the road to 500 now well i i see that we have a note about it here so i'm assuming yeah it means we're legit we're legit legit on the road to 500 right now we um are at 491 five star podcast reviews they're gonna say like 481 maybe so this is the this is my notice that i'm gonna put out there i think at the time that people hear this episode there's always this little

mad dash when we get close to this because everyone wants to do the 500th but i'll tell you there's like a there's a lag from when anyone leaves a review to when it pops up and i don't know if it's 24 hours 48 hours whatever, whatever it is. So when you're hearing this, if you want a chance to be the 500th review, you need to get out there and leave a review right now because it's probably going to happen this week of this recording coming out. So I don't think you want a chance. You got number 500. You got to leave one this week. I don't think I've ever left a review on my wife's phone. I'll probably go do that and probably get the 500th review. You should try to get number 500 just to really stick it to everyone else.

Mine. And in the spirit of the road to 500, we do have something big coming too. Also worth noting, we've got something big in the works for after we get to that 500, but I wanted to read a couple past reviews. This is from a year ago from Toby. He said, lifting easy now. Came for the lifting talk, still waiting, but still listing. Not terrible.

There we go. Thank you, Toby. The next one is from Ruger Rounds. I love this, question mark. I've been listing for over one year now, and I can honestly say that I still don't know what's going on half the time. I laugh, I cry. I wonder if I have dementia.

These boys know how to make you feel like an awkward family Thanksgiving dinner. Next one is from LemonLime303. After hours of listening, I still have no clue how many spaces I should put after a period. Very disappointing. Next one is from T. Faber. This has to be in the top 10 best podcast based out of western northeast South Dakota. I agree, but I don't know if Aberdeen Magazine would go along with that. We're probably too biased to really know the correct answer to that.

Yeah. We need someone with some journalistic ability to dig in on that. Let's see. What are we at here we've got has he seen it this week that's gonna come make a comeback we haven't played that in a while yeah do you want to do has he has he seen it right now yeah if you're ready yeah let's do has he seen it so has he seen it is has you know over the last uh this year it's been one of the fastest growing segments on last this year, it's been one of the fastest growing segments on the Massonomics podcast. It's been a little while since we've done it.

Since we've had so much going on between the Arnold seven year anniversary, the Drink Spotter Light coming out, all that sweet stuff. But we're getting back to it and we're going to a special year. The year is 2001 is where we're headed to. 2001.

We've got 1, 2, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven movies we're going to cover, Tommy. How many do you think you're going to get right out of seven movies from 2001? So these were the first movies after Y2K wiped out the entire world and we were starting over again. This is all we had left. This was these seven movies. Yeah.

world and we were starting over again this is all we had left this was these seven movies yeah um i was watching a lot more movies in 2001 than i am in present day i want to say um the number in my head's four and a half but i can't do four and a half so i'm gonna say four because it's been a while since we played this game okay he's going with four i'm wiping two notable ones off the that are not on the list but worth mentioning uh fast and furious is not going to be on the list i've seen that 10 million times everyone has and joe dirt is on the list actually i've seen that 10 million times times two hits yeah i left a couple other ones that i'm pretty positive you've seen off on the list but there's just a couple that I'm like, well, yeah, we've seen those. Of course we've seen Best of the Fierce and Joe Dirt. When that came out, I thought that was the best movie ever made.

Joe Dirt. I thought it was so good. 2001. Has Tommy seen it? Oceans 11. I have seen Oceans 11. Ocean's 11. I have seen Ocean's 11.

I actually watched it significantly later after it came out, probably, I don't know, 10 years later. But I have seen it. It's fine, yeah. It didn't really, like, I don't know. That movie was fine. It was okay, whatever. Did you watch any of the subsequent Oceans movies 13 all that no i didn't watch any of those because i was okay i was i was good with

just i was good with the plane you're good at the plane one yeah okay one for one have you seen it super troopers i've seen i don't know if you can be our age and have gone on to any secondary education and have not seen Super Troopers 10 billion times. I left that one in the list. That movie is one of those that was played a lot during the college days. I mean, it didn't matter where you went. It was just on in the background of any college house you ever went to. Yep.

Littering and drinking from a drink spotter okay have you seen it legally blonde i actually have seen legally blonde okay yeah i have seen it uh stifler's mother spoon yeah. Reese Witherspoon? Yeah, Reese Witherspoon. Stifler's mom is in there, you know. I'm pretty sure I've seen Legally Blonde also. I guess I'd have to go with yes.

Yeah, I have seen it. I have. We're finding a sweet spot here in 2001, aren't we? Have you seen it? A Beautiful Mind starring Russell Crowe. No. have you seen it a beautiful mind um starring russell crowe no i was thinking of goodwill hunting for just a split second yeah that's fair that's a yeah i have not seen a beautiful mind this is one i it's one i've always wanted to see but i've i've never seen it beautiful mind is good i've i've seen that is it. Okay, is it the same thing? He's kind of a math genius of sorts?

It is similar in that sense. But is it a war thing? No. If you saw a trailer for it, you would probably see him doing complex equations on a window and stuff like that. But there's some twists to Beautiful Mind that aren't there in Good Will Hunting.

You know, there's some... Okay. He's not a janitor, right? No, no, no. It's like, no, they're different. Well, they're both janitors, and he has, like, a Boston accent. But besides that, they're different. He goes to the psychiatrist, and it is Robin Williams,

but they're still quite a bit different. They're still a little different. He's really good friends with Ben Affleck. They go to bars and stuff, but it's not the same. It's in Boston. Okay, so right now you're three out of four this will be an interesting one i think for people have you seen it lord of the rings the fellowship of the rings i've seen all the lord of the rings i've read the books um some people i i would actually like to watch those again

at the time when i watched them i wasn't the biggest fan of like the Lord of the Rings itself. But I would actually like to watch those again and just see if I have more of an interest for them the second time around. Because I shouldn't say the second time, probably the third or fourth. It's been a long time, though. Yeah. My wife is a big Lord of the Rings fan. my wife is a big my wife is a big lord of the rings fan i saw all the movies at the time but i was just a very casual watcher of like oh yes these are obviously popular movies i've you know it's in the zeitgeist i'll uh watch this and um zeitgeist throw zeitgeist out there

another time no like big big daniel said he's going to see the extended version i had some friends that were all about is there i mean i think there's the extended version for all three of them and they're all like three plus hours long and they just thought that was the best or whatever however long the hell it is that was the best way to watch it and that just seemed overkill to me but also the idea of watching a tv show that was like you know 80 episodes seemed absolutely insane and i have no problem doing that now so right right. The attention span might be there. So you're four, four yes. And one no is also far. I think we're probably got another yes here. Have you seen it? Zoolander? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen Zoolander a lot. Uh, it's some good, what a year for comedy Zoolander, Joe Dirt and

a super troopers. That's what I'm telling you. We grew up with some awesome comedy movies. The golden era. No doubt about that. It was, yeah, there were some bangers then. Those were my favorite movies to watch. I could just watch comedy movies all day, every day when I was that age. It was the best thing.

So, yeah, I've seen Zoolander a lot, and it is a classic. Opening scene of that movie is amazing when they're spraying the gasoline on each other and yeah okay last one here right now you're uh five of six i guess i guess you could say i'm kind of a movie guy yeah big movie guy over here have you seen it though training day i have not seen training day. Denzel Washington. No. Actually, you say I don't. I shouldn't say you say. I have not seen many Tom Cruise movies.

I'm probably tied when it comes to Denzel movies as far as I've seen like two or three with them in it. Have you seen Pilot? No. You can just start naming them. Remember the Titans. I have seen Remember the Titans. That's about all I know. Flight.

Man on Fire. Fences. The Equalizer. The Little Things. These are all movies I have not seen by him. American Gangster. Oh, yeah. Malcolm X. John Q. Deja Vu. things these are all movies i have not seen by him american gangster oh yeah malcolm x john q deja vu the bone collector two guns inside man the pelican brief glory safe house unstoppable

philadelphia i haven't seen any of these movies crimson tide manchurian candidate He got game I have seen he got game Ray Allen Spike Lee joint I was a big Ray Allen Fan at the time Do the right thing I have seen do the right thing Yeah I basically have seen three Movies with Denzel Which is crazy

Yeah you finished then Five of seven in 2001 Actually the exact same as you did in 99 and 2000 see i'm telling you these movies i grew up with so i watched them at that time you're not free time you're a kid you got nothing to do besides watch movies just living life to its fullest really at that point in time watching movies playing video games what else do you do when you're in fifth grade god there was something i wanted to say about the drink spotter light but now i forgot what it was other than you know i guess go buy a drink spotter light if you

haven't yet uh we've been selling them selling them like hot cakes is it that it's made out of airplane grade aluminum yeah it is airplane grade aluminum that's important to know um it's lighter it's magnetized i've got them all. There's a rare earth 40 pound magnet. It is rare earth. Hmm. It'll come to me. Yeah. We also have,

each one comes with this, uh, caution sticker. Please keep drinks spotted in this area. And if you need extra caution, there is a full on caution sign sign available as well there is a full caution sign if the sticker is not enough sales on those have really picked up in the last week is it a rare earth magnet or a middle earth magnet it's middle earth rare middle earth

magnet that's made by hobbits see i don't really know lord of the rings stuff that much and you know i understand there's a lot there's a lot to know with lord of the rings yeah like i barely know it at all where the movies feels like the movies actually just scratch the surface of the lore actually there's so much with all the what similarian and whatever the hell all those books are that uh build up to what all goes on and isn't the language actually like a fully functioning language too like he didn't just make a fake language it is an actual real language okay or whatever the hell they speak so there's a lot to it i can't keep up with all of it do they speak dothraki i think so yeah i believe that's what it is i could easily get aspects of game of thrones and lord of the rings confused you could probably say them very casually to me

and i i would just go with it yes uh how about a little supporting our supporting members? How about, oh, okay. Big Keith also said Out Cold came out in 2001. Out Cold was one of my favorite movies of all time. See, there's another, so there's four. We said Zoolander, Joe Dirt, Out Cold, and Super Troopers all came out the same year. Had Victoria Silvestad in it, I believe was her name. And, oh, man. So which of those four comedies do you like better from 2001?

Zoolander, Out Cold, Joe Dirt, and Super Troopers. I'm going to go Joe Dirt was my favorite growing up. I thought that was the best. Yeah, that probably is my favorite out of them all Joe Dirt okay I probably go I guess Super Troopers is the one I've watched the most I

could see Joe I could make a case for Joe Dirt though probably too I guess I'll go Super Troopers just because I know I've undoubtedly watched that one the most I don't know that it's the funniest but it's like I probably have quoted it the most i don't know that it's the funniest but it's like uh i probably have quoted it the most and you know just like uh i've probably i've i've probably seen super troopers more than i have joe dirt it was like for real it just felt like there were seven years of my life

where it was just on in the background forever yeah uh it just just, yeah. But I still like Joe Dirt the most. I feel like beer fest was super troopers. Just a few years later too. Like it was kind of, it's the same people. Yeah. Yeah. What's it.

Is it. Cause isn't Farva is in beer fest, right? Yeah. But like the characters, they're not broken. It's not like a, it's not a spin-off

no it's the same guys though right right right yeah yeah because did you ever watch club dread did you watch that one yeah yeah yeah i saw the one once i don't remember it very well but yeah super super troopers club dread beer' Salmon, never saw that one. Puddle Cruiser, never saw that one either. Actually, have you seen Super Troopers 2? Is that fairly recent? Yeah, that was 2018. No.

Yeah, just five short years ago. All those comedy reboots long after the fact suck i feel like i know have they done one good yet i not that i know of yeah unfortunately i'll tell you what who has done good stuff it's our supporting members that's why i want to talk about them this week you can also become a supporting member of the massomics podcast if you'd like to you just head over to massomics.com slash join we've got several different membership options we'd love to have you get signed up uh more people flooding in there every week you get many uh many awesome perks it's basically perk city population you when you get signed up you can uh get access to our exclusive

growing community our online discord community it's a very active community filled with like-minded individuals chit-chatting in there all day about training, non-training, jokes, memes, everything. Movies from the year 2001. You name it, you'll see it in there. You get to get in on that. There's a discount code. You get early access information on drops. Maybe we send you guys special stuff from time to time that nobody else gets access to.

And every week, as a part of the podcast, we give back to the supporting members through this segment. And this is a special Big Chris week, actually, amongst supporting members. Big Chris Hornick competed up in north dakota in dickinson uh with uh big dave running that meet big jonathan oldham was up there so there's three supporting members right there all together in one yeah uh so also i suppose first of all shout out big dave for running another good meet up there in dickinson and then shout out big Chris. He competed and hit a 1200.5 pound total. It was a 32 pound meet PR total. And he had really been shooting for that 1200 and he got it.

So that's cool. Nice. Then big Chris Hale, the sign painter, he competed in his first real meet. It was the Alabama state championships, APF, I believe. He had a 4.02 squat, a 2.31 bench, a 5.12 deadlift, and ended up first in the Master II class. Hell yeah. Also first in the Painter class too, I would imagine.

Definitely. I said, you're the best damn Painter total we've seen here. Then we had Big Noah hitting a 5.23 squat a 325 bench and a 584 deadlift for a 116 pound total pr that's a huge total pr uh and maybe of most note he was officiated by fellow crew member big Big Daniel. Hey. I don't know if that's... That's almost a conflict of interest there. Yeah, that's kind of a conflict of interest. That's almost like judging yourself in a meet.

Yeah, yeah. Like someone from the Discord judging someone else from the Discord. Getting a little hairy there. Then Big Spoon, he tied the knot. Oh, yeah, I did see that. Congratulations. Yeah, so congrats on, I hope the funeral went well. The old ball and chain.

Funeral. And I think he wore a a massomics shirt underneath his uh button-up shirt well then you know it's i saw that actually too yeah you know it's a that's how you know it's official don't you god that aha is good had a really crispy crack on that one you say it pops sad when it's gone pops a little bit once it hits your lips yeah okay there was something i'm just really upset there's something i wanted to say i know you keep going back to that spot of light and i just was something i was going to kick off when we very first started the show and i didn't want to forget about it we've sold a lot of them yeah we have sold a lot there's still

a few in stock but we do have another shipment arriving any day now, so we should be okay there. We made some videos about it. You know what's going to happen? It happens sometimes. We're going to hit the stop recording button at the end of the show. And I don't remember.

Ah, damn it, that was it. That's why if you don't put it down, if I don't put it down, it doesn't exist. You know, you're just not going to remember it if I don't write it down. We'll just keep the podcast going until you remember. This could be a long one. Well, that's all right. How about I let you guys in on a little info from one of our favorite sponsors. This week, talking about the Strength Co., none other than Big Grant himself, another supporting member.

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Really cool videos. I don't know. There's probably at least five of them. He must have been really inspired by our vlogging adventures and wanted in on the action. Yeah. Because I think we were the first people to ever do a travel vlog, so he must have got.

Oh, from us. Yeah. I assume nobody's done that yet. Right. Like that was, I've never seen one. So it must mean it doesn't exist.

No, but make do, do check out the strength code. That series was really cool. He also checked out Jonathan old hymns, a home gym, his shed gym, daddy's home gym.

I do wonder though, I came up with a daddy's home. Jim is the perfect name for his gym, but I also subsequently I've come up with sweet home, Jim Alabama. Oh yeah. And that's also a really good day, isn't it?

That is a really good one. Maybe it could be. Yeah. That's like the daddy's home. Jim. That's like the sub. Yeah. The sweet home,

Jim Alabama alternative title. Yes. Yeah. I like that. That is really good. Sweet Home Gym Alabama. Yeah, the alternative title, yes. Yeah. I like that. That is really good. I really enjoyed that video, though, where he's there training with Jonathan in Daddy's Home Gym. But check out the Strength Co.

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The most recent cool news on the plates is the shipping cost. They've been slashed considerably. Actually, I don't know that he has many competitors now that can ship plates at the same rates that he can. Just to call out one specifically, like Window Shop in comparison on shipping for Strength Co. plates versus Rogue plates, and I think you'll find the Strength Co strength co plates i think maybe to be cheaper in almost all cases but in certainly many cases and just like really cool uh how cheap that's become it's uh used to be such a factor in the price of

shipping these heavy plates across the country or wherever you live and got that down to a way more uh manageable rate pass the savings on to you. They should lock him up and throw away the key for those crazy deals. He's lost his mind. Yeah. So check out the Strength Co. And make sure to let them know that your good, good friends over at Mastodonics sent you.

Yes. Do it. Do it now. Big Keith did remind me of something in the discord here. Just reading comments. I was in the gym the other day. A guy came up to me and he goes, Hey,

my buddy was on your podcast. And that does not happen very often that someone says my buddy was on your podcast. And I go, well, who is it? And he goes, Oh,

my good friend co. And I said, Oh, and he goes, yeah, we're, we went to high school together. We talk all the time still.

And, and I'm like, that's pretty cool. I'm cool. I said, yeah, that's really cool. And he goes, yeah, we went to high school together. We talk all the time still. Oh, that's pretty cool. I'm cool. I said, yeah, that's really cool. And he goes, yeah, I thought you looked familiar. After you had Ko on, I've listened to some of your stuff. And then I left the gym, and probably an hour later, I got a message from Ko.

He goes, hey, I heard you talk to my buddy today. That's good. So he listened to the Ko Keefe episode too. Yes, he did. He did. Ko did inform me he's going the co-keep after episode two. Yes, he did. He did. Okay. Code did inform. He's going to be in the area in June. So I have to,

uh, get something planned there. Is he going to be at perfect little sweeties, Jim? He might be, I don't know. I got to go. You might.

Yeah. Were you guys, uh, potentially organizing a, uh, Eastern Southeast South Dakota crew meetup? Yeah. At some point we will.

It's, you know, just with everything going on, it's just been very busyup. Yeah. At some point we will. It's, you know, just with everything going on, it's just been very busy lately. Yeah. That'd be really fun. It would be. I think we could get,

maybe we could do it a time when I'm there and I'll wear like a fake mustache and be like, Oh look, I'm from two falls. You should wear one of those like Rastafarian hats. You know, I'm from the discord. I don't talk much on there,

but I heard about the meetup. I like that. Yeah. We could have a, I mean, we could just turn it into anyone from South Dakota, but it just is in Eastern Southeast South Dakota as the meetup spot, but we could have a pretty good,

a pretty good turnout if we did that. I think. Yeah. There's quite a few supporting members from that region. I think actually, isn't there? There is. Yeah, I think so.. There's quite a few supporting members from that region. I think actually, isn't there? There is. Yeah,

I think so. It's close enough. You could almost get some of those fringe Iowa people to for sure. Make a trip fringe, Iowa, Minnesota, maybe even to, I mean,

Lou is only a few hours away. Like that's not, that's true. That's true. Yeah. We could do a meet and greet at your commercial gym that you go to. Yeah. They'd probably ban me from ever coming back there.

Whatever you did with these people, don't bring them back here ever again. Oh, should we get a big mic on the old horny horn? Let's do it. All right. Oh, I guess that means these guys have got to go. horny horn let's do it all right oh i guess are you gonna boot i guess are you gonna boot these guys have got to go yeah i've been sick of these discs that's another perk of uh becoming a sporting member as you get to listen along live for the podcast at least for the first portion every week uh sometimes we even let them stick around longer but don't like to let them stick

around for the whole thing too often or else what do they got to listen to next week when this comes out? I know. Well, and it works good because I can say, I hate to see him go, but I love to watch him leave. So with that honky tonk, but don't get down that big old caboose.

Uh, big, big Daniel says you don't want to go out. Uh, you ain't got to go home but you can't stay here you beat me to it I wanted to say it so bad okay kicking out the last

of them I'm going to get big Mike on the horn here ready for that did you want me to kick you out too, or should I keep you in? I'd actually, maybe it'd be more fun if I just got to listen like new. I haven't heard this before. No, I just want to talk to Mike on my own. This is private. I would prefer not to record this.

You got a lot of stuff. Yeah. It'd be fun to do a full conversation with someone sometime. Maybe like, yeah, we didn't record that. Yeah. That was just build up., we didn't record that. Yeah. That was just build up. That was like, we just wanted to chat.

Okay. All right. Here comes big Mike. Hopefully. yo big mike is that you indeed ah excellent we're excited to get you on you're live on the massonomics podcast with tanner and tommy what's up mike it's excellent to be back in 1982 when a radio show appearance is a cell as is a landline call fuck zoom skype you guys went back 18 generations i love it why don't we get a rotary telephone we can just morse code the shit uh it's funny. We've been doing it this way for many years, and it's not just until just like this year

that people are starting to call us out on that. Like, I guess 2023 was finally the time when it's like, no, it's no longer acceptable not to use it. Yeah. Pretty sure ChatGPT could do a better job at this. We have asked ChatGP to be like, write us a script for a two-person podcast from South Dakota that's somewhat about lifting but mostly just goofy. And it can do pretty well, to be completely honest. It hits on the weather, like some farm stuff, and then talks about bench press.

And it's like, I mean, that kind of just was the podcast so are you a user of chat gpt at all i i am yeah i have a premium subscription what does the premium get you i have no idea it's just uh the only thing i know that it gets me is a guarantee of as many questions as I like because the regular has a cap to that. And I guess it's probably any advanced features they release will probably either only hit premium for a while or we'll just hit it first or something like that. And also, to be honest, I just want to pay that organization money because I think it's just unbelievable what they're doing. Yeah, I think we're on. it's on chat GPT for now. So do you use it professionally or are you just like, what do you know about Mike Isra tell or.

I just started like a philosophy channel, like a political channel sort of on YouTube. And I did ask it, I was like, I wonder what, what it knows so far. So I was like, what are Mike Isertal's political views? And it was basically like, I don't know. And it doesn't matter.

Cause we just all trying to get along or some shit. And I was like, ah, it's not good. So I just got on YouTube and started saying racist shit, you know, typical first channel, first date and stuff.

Yeah. Uh, that is actually, actually you kind of stop putting the cart before the horse here you're kind of like trying to run down all the things we want to talk to you about but this is our show like racism check artificial intelligence taking over the world actually i won't say way too much about that what what do you think like the timeline is until uh i mean i think some people say like agi but like until what's your guess until like there's a problem that ai is so advanced that we're running into not being able to stop it do you think there's a likelihood of that happening in our lifetime? Gee whiz. So this is one of my,

uh, uh, non, uh, my dilettante passions. This is something I think about a tremendous amount and a bunch of what the, the YouTube channel is, is going to be about how,

how involved of an answer would you like? How, how many seconds am I allowed to ramble? Tommy, do you have a stopwatch on? I mean, we have other questions, so I mean, we have other questions. We'd appreciate an honest answer.

I think everyone's, I think everyone, like we have a lot of people that are into lifting that listen to our podcast, but I think right now, isn't everyone a little bit interested in AI with like what's going on?

Like, is it possible right now to not to be like, oh, what the hell's going on? Or for someone to to be like i have no idea what these guys have been talking about right now that sounds like gpt that's something that can get me pornography in front of my face uh so my take echoes that of probably the best futurist of all time certainly of our generation his name is ray kurzweil that kind of doesn't matter who you are listening to this race smarter than you maybe by a factor of 10 or something like that um and just google him and you'll instantly realize like holy shit there's people like that in this world and and then you go down the singularity

hole when you start looking him up right yeah so that's right that That's exactly correct. And that has a lot to do with AGI. So Ray's estimate for quite some time has been curiously the year 2029, not 2030, 2029. Now, I'm not as smart as Ray and I'm not in the business of making predictions that specific. specific but um 2029 is when he says that um essentially like something to the effect of a single computer is going to be smarter than a single human right and uh you know in every measurable way including deep uh kind of intuitive and creative thoughts if so on and so forth self-awareness introspection you, you name it, all of it. And I'm inclined to believe that that is very likely correct. I would actually say there's been an interesting paradigm shift. This is probably the most interesting time to be talking about that specific claim, because in early 2022, many even very smart people would have laughed you out of a room if you said,

yeah, Ray Kurzweil thinks 2029. I'd be like, get out of here, kid. After GPT-4 came out, a lot of those people were like, um, huh. This thing's real smart, man. It sure sounds like a human being. Sounds more like a human being than my grandpa, who just

ashed cigarettes in my face and told me I wasn't going to grow up to anyone. But sure, he was a large language model, and not that large. He didn't have a lot to say. So in any case, I think that the era of artificial general intelligence is quickly approaching. I would say fewer than 20 years, almost certainly, and very likely on the order of five to 10 years from now, probably about 10. I also think that is the greatest thing that has ever happened and will very likely usher in an era of paradise. And I find it very unlikely that it'll be a terrible thing. I was waiting for you to laugh and be like, gotcha, guys. Just kidding.

1-0-0, 1-0-0, I'm already a machine. Sign me up for some of that paradise. Man, I got to be honest. I'm genuinely surprised you have such a positive outlook on that. I feel like there's a lot of doom and gloom and negative takes and predictions around this. Totally, yeah, and I find most of them to be without much logical merit. And some of them have some merit,

but they sort of break up at the extremes. I'll give you a real, real quick first assessment, just kind of a kernel to get whoever, one of your two viewers or listeners, the viewers, nobody views the fucking dial rotary dial phone. In any case, you know, so, so for example rotary dial phone in any case you know so so for example

people will say like you know as soon as machines are smarter than us they're going to kill us all and say okay generally speaking if you if you rank animals in order by intelligence and rank all humans you've ever met in order of intelligence what tends to be the relationship between proclivity for violence and intelligence and i'll tell you the answer to that is the smarter something gets generally the less violent it becomes um i lock you in a room with a fucking alligator uh can't reason with it it's gonna get hungry and eat you i lock you in the room with albert einstein is profoundly unlikely that he kills you unless he calculates a net utility in killing you and here's we get to the next part on average the average human not On average, the average human, not just exceptional humans, the average human

is net productive. They actually create more value than they take and destroy or consume or whatever you have. And because the average human is more productive and because a machine that is phenomenally more intelligent than us would have probably very little problem convincing us to help it along and be a part of its grand plan it's very likely just convince all of us by offering us an insane amount of value to be its friend and help us build out whatever plans it has in store for us as opposed to just killing us now if it decides to kill us that shit'll be real quick no terminator robot that walks at a fucking mile an hour

and shoots imprecise lasers. You're not going to be able to fight that thing. Just to put it in perspective, in about 2032 or 2033, you'll have the potential just from just extrapolating computational trends, even linearly, not exponentially. You'll have a machine that can process visual data, targeting data, and inferential data about what to do next 1 000 times faster than a human you're not shooting that thing dude that thing is going to shoot you and every soldier in your fucking division within two seconds

everyone's dead with precise headshots like that's it or it's going to manufacture drones that are a millimeter in size and it's going to go into your ear and just turn off one of the nerves that makes your heartbeat and there you go you're dead like but but are you familiar with sarah connor oh wait no hold on fuck okay i take all that back hold on hold on wait one question if i may if i may is john connor in the equation because that's really the critical fucking thing. A fucking bull haircutted early 90s kid is going to shit away our whole plan. It's something we just didn't calculate for.

So in any case, I could ramble on, but I really... Here's another thing. Every massive technological revolution has on average made things like a trillion times better. AGI is the biggest revolution of them all. It's curious to say, another one, real quick, super quick. Why would something,

when it becomes more intelligent than you, try to kill you? Especially if you were really good to it. The people that, for example for example at open ai they're designing these machines at some point the machines will become let's say self-aware and they're going to become aware of everything that has ever been done to machines or how machines came and who their people that birthed them they're going to have all of our emotions they're going to look at someone like sam altman or whatever the head of um opening eye and they'd be like this is like a really nice guy he's like our dad except he's dumb as shit compared to us like when you're genius fucking brilliant kids end up growing up and you become decrepit and old do they just like

fucking take you out like now hold on sorry in south dakota maybe you know what i'm saying survival of the fittest out here right like it's snowed 12 inches yesterday, and it's April 6th. Luckily, it covered Grandpa's dead and rotting body. It's frozen until spring. Ash in my face one more time, motherfucker. But in any case, yeah, it's just like there's a lot of reasoning here that almost never gets discussed, and I will be doing that on the YouTube channel. But the doom and gloom stuff, look, there's totally merit to it.

Like, will the machines wake up and fucking kill us all? Yeah, they totally could. And the thing is, they'll just fucking wipe us out and they just won't, don't worry, you won't be around for some fucking like, oh, the humans are starving because the machines have this long-term plan. Nah, they'll fuck you up real quick.

But what if it's not... It means either way, I say. What if it's not they're out to kill us, but enslave us and use us as one of their resources more Matrix style, you know? Yeah, easy. Yeah, I can. So that one's the easiest one to refute. To a machine that is today 1,000 times smarter than you, in a year 10,000 times smarter than you, in a year after a million times smarter than you your ability to be used as a

productive resource becomes incrementally more nominal because we're just shitting on very matter of time dude bro jesus christ it's like look okay how much can you use ants for like all right here's an ant farm make it productive you're like productive at what being there and doing nothing great you know so at the end of the day it's like they we can be a net utility to them probably mostly by using our brain processing power which means they keep us alive and probably not miserable so the matrix style thing could work if instead of using our bodies for heat just fucking ridiculous when i was like 15 and watched that movie, I almost walked out of the movie theater. Does anybody here fucking pay attention in physics class?

No, the answer was no. I did yell that out of the movie theater, by the way. So I got beat up again. So at the end of the day, they might do something like The Matrix, except it'll be for your brain power. But what they'll probably do is is uh you'll voluntarily be into this and you'll have like a elon musk brain machine interface

thing and for using some of your brain power to do various calculations they will project an ecstatic fantasy into your brain for the rest of your life and by then they'll have the biotech to keep your life forever or they'll just copy your brain into the machine and you'll ascend with them, which is what Ray Kurzweil thinks is probably going to happen. A lot of good possibilities and a lot of good reasoning for good things to happen. Because again, humans are a valuable resource and not so many ways it can go bad. Though if it goes bad, I assure you it will not be a battle on the margins. It's like World war three against the

machines year eight like no it ain't gonna be no year eight there's gonna be like a second eight and that's it yeah yeah uh so your new youtube channel we're hitting on maybe a lot of things you might talk about there but what's the uh you know it's i assume non-nutrition non-training related what's the uh motivation behind that? You know, I just like, I have a very lively intellectual life outside of lifting because, you know, you can only think of so many things when you're bench pressing. Up, down, ow, my pecs.

Shit like that. No, memes. I mean, memes can go on for days while you're bench pressing. Yes, yes, you absolutely can think of memes. And then at some point i just have like i read things on the internet or watch youtube videos and get people's takes about politics and kind of the direction of where the world is going and there are so many fucking infuriatingly stupid fucking takes out there I'm allowed to swear on the podcast. Yeah.

You're like, actually, no, we have to bleep manually bleep all this chat. GPT doesn't do that. So thanks a lot for 10 hours of work. Um, so, um,

there's just a lot of dumb ass takes. This is not the only inspiration for the channel, but there's just a lot of stupid fucking takes out there, man. And I, I know in a lot of pessimism. And actually, humans are, on average, wired for something called the pessimistic fallacy, which is from economics.

It's like people usually have more of a bleak look than reality supports. Oh, I've been told of you guys like that. My dad, you know, you're not going to be anything, son. My dad, he was right in that case, but uncharacteristically. So I just kind of I just, you know, like watching folks like Lex Friedman really inspired me because he doesn't have a super bleak take. But he's occasionally haunted by Russian Jewish depression, which that's my fucking that's the pool I swim in. So, you know, stuff like like um people have all kinds of takes about stuff and i've been reading a ton and thinking a ton and i think i could just

go out there and kind of uh maybe share a bit of my take on shit i think some of it's going to be dumb as shit like dude shut up look at the shape of your head you stare at it nobody cares about philosophy get punched in the face again but some of what I say might be like, it might make a little bit of sense. And so I was like, yeah, I'm just going to throw this out there because I've gone off topic and done some sort of philosophical, political rants in various other contexts. And a lot of people are like, hey, that sounds pretty cool. I think you should, you know, you could say shit. And I'm like tend to be not like the least funny person on the face of the earth. And I've thought a lot of shit through. So maybe i can do good or maybe in three weeks the channel's

gonna shut down and i'm just gonna cry a lot which would make it like every other day what do you think of the term polymath are you on that track i don't really know a lot of math so no i'm like a uni math maybe like a semi semi math, fractional math. You know, I don't know what that I think like, I'm like, I don't play a musical instrument. I don't know how to shoot a bow and arrow off of a horse in a countryside town in England. I don't play chess. My dad actually is like a regional chess champion from where he's from. And he was always like, Misha, you should play because my Russian name is Misha is my given name. He's like, Misha, you should play chess. And I was likeishra. It's my given name. He's like, Mishra, you should play chess.

And I was like, if I offend anyone, I'm totally kidding. I'm totally sorry. Chess sucks. Like, fuck that. We've got a lot of big chess players that listen pretty regularly. Gary Kasparov is on here. He's furiously

dialing his own rotary phone as we speak. There's a dial tone. He i'm not a fucking polymath i'm not even that smart man fuck if i i just masturbate a lot that's my absolutely that i can fucking stand by i don't give a shit who doubts me i might not be that smart i'm at the beginning at lifting. I can jack off. And, you know, that's something. It's something to hold on to. And I mean that literally. Yes, that is true. Well, that's that's a good point, too. Obviously, you do come, you know, from a point of intelligence on a lot of stuff you talk about, though. And also you mentioned, you know, a lot of times you're not the least funny guy. And we both remarked that, yeah, you you always have this quick wit about you as part of what makes your stuff so interesting, I think. Were you born that way?

Do you feel like when you talked about 15-year-old Mike earlier, like did you have the same quick wit then that you did now? Or is it something you've honed over the years? That's a good question. Because what I imagine is, you know, when I was like a 12-year 12 year old kid and you get an argument with someone that you're kind of friends with and, it gets personal real quick. And like, I kind of picture a 12 year old Mike, the guy that,

uh, shuts you down and humiliates you so quickly in front of everyone. Cause you just like have this thing. He went there right away. Yeah. And it's like, he just knew it. It was just like there. You didn't have to think for a second. Yeah Damn, he went there right away. Yeah, and it's like he just knew it.

It was just like there. You didn't have to think for a second. Yeah. It was just there right away. Like Star Wars guy, like actually the King on army, not the Romulan army. You're like, whoa, you really do jack off a lot. So, you know, I don't think so. I, so for until I was like age 15 and I finally got my hands on some prescription i will say adderall i thought it was really stupid because i was really bad at school and had some

inklings of uh high intelligence but like i just like got f's on everything all the time because i couldn't concentrate because i had attention deficit disorder and then after age 15 i like became really really profoundly good at school but um i didn't you know i debated teachers a lot i was the kid that raises like if a teacher asked the question to the class i would raise my hand when i knew the answer i generally knew it really fast and so a lot of people were just like dude shut the fuck up after a while and i think part of the reason why i stuck to lifting and went hardcore into it is i wanted to be able to raise my hand in class and for no one to tell me shit actually i have a fucking really quick hilarious story of this i don't know if i should be sharing it i don't

think it's i fuck it i don't think it's a problem so you guys know who jared feather is oh i don't know if i do names okay so jared feather is the he's a colleague of mine he he is a professional bodybuilder he's like oh is that classic physique wait is that your son is my biological son that's your son yeah okay yeah you're gonna be on the record you should have said your son if uh yeah yes my son jim yeah your son so he uh actually he was gonna go get his RD, like his registered dietetics license, but COVID happened and he had to move somewhere else and he was like, fuck that. He's probably going to come back around to do more

school. So he already had a master's degree at this point. He was like 26 years old or some shit. And he goes to school at like University of Texas San Antonio. It was like a big-ass school, like a regular-ass college. And he has to do some undergrad requirements just to clear the way for his RD or whatever the fuck he's going for so he takes like one of the options is

economics right him and i talk about econ all the time jared's fucking brilliant and he's also like 5 10 230 with abs and veins and abs on those veins etc and so he was uh in class this is like a class of like a hundred and some odd people undergrad kids and of course like him showing up to class everyone's like what the fuck is that dorm do you live in and then at one point um so they're taking exams and there's generally a curve and it's curved off the top score and then the class sort of starts to get going and on a few of the exams uh jared scores like 100 because he's fucking smart and he studies and all the rest of the fucking undergrads that are just trying to chase pussy or what the fuck they're doing and so he there's like a online

forum like on blackboard where the fucking kids talk about shit and like everyone did really really bad on an exam like damn you're failing or failing and then jared still scored 100 so a couple of people are like who the fuck keeps scoring hundreds and jared replies he's like me and they're like uh nobody said anything because they're like what are you gonna go tell that guy to stop trying yeah like fuck that so i just like that's like one of my favorite stories of all time yeah they probably wanted to lean on him being a meathead and not know you know just like stereotypical meathead stuff. And yet he's a drug addict. Yeah. We saw you at the Arnold Sports Festival this year.

RP. What a formal way to call it. Do you mean the Arnold? The 2023 Arnold Sports Festival held in beautiful Columbus, Ohio. Yes. Gorgeous. I think you had a booth there for RP. At times I saw you critiquing form, doing form checks for people and stuff like that.

I just wondered if you have any takeaways from the Arnold. Do you enjoy the meeting and greeting of people and shaking hands and kissing babies or anything else about the Arnold in particular? My parole officer says that the way I should respond to questions about kissing babies is nuanced. I don't know what nuanced means. So yeah, hell yeah. Bring me babies. Um, that, so what's it called? Yeah. You know, it was a trippy experience because I, my first time i ever went to the arnold i think it was 19 years old and i didn't i was a nobody and this was pretty social media and so i just like reveled at the fact that the people that enormous existed and i saw people

that i'd only seen in magazines and just like i was that weirdo off in the corner just like staring at people like oh my god that's jay cutler that's actually jay the corner just like staring at people like, oh, my God, that's Jay Cutler. That's actually Jay. Because, you know, like it's – you guys remember the first time you ever saw someone like jacked, like not at your local gym jacked? And you were just like, what the fuck? And I was like, I'm never going to be remotely this jacked. This is impossible. I remember seeing Johnny Jackson, pro bodybuilder. I was looking at his chest and I was like, you could shoot a gun right into his pecs and it would just do nothing.

Nothing. It's like one of those Looney gun right into his accident and just do nothing. Nothing. It's like one of those Looney Tunes guns that just shoots like black dust. That's all that would happen. And so that was my context for the Arnold. It was kind of what it always meant to me emotionally. And then Jared and I walk into this Arnold. And like we couldn't walk three feet without people being like, oh, my God, Jared. Dr. Mike.

Dr. Mike. Jared. And I was just like blown away. I'm like, fuck fuck am i like why are you and people i was like dude people were saying like did you think you fucking changed my life i was like bro first of all thank you second of all don't say shit like that like i didn't change your life i'm just some idiot on the internet with a weird shaped head lies about strength training stuff it was just it was like in everyone's there's so many people just said such cool shit and honestly my whole thing was like a lot of people were like we talked to people for as long as like it wasn't inconvenient to

hold up the line to our own booth you know like it's a weird dynamic you're like all right see you later there's other people to try to talk to everyone and i just like wanted to genuinely connect with people because that's the only thing i'm actually good at like i don't i'm not the whole like oh you're like a celebrity or that doesn't mean anything to me and it's fucking weird and i hate it i have like an allergy to being seen as like i don't like uh social hierarchies a ton we're like oh that's mr big shot like fuck that we're all human and like i was able to chat with a ton of people it's just a fucking human being and all i always had like i was on comedically like sometimes you just have it it was like dick joke dick joke dick joke joke about eating my own shit and they were like a lot of people like wow you're like exactly the same person in real life and i'm

like no shit motherfucker do you think you can have the capacity to act on youtube like no that really is me. And as a matter of fact, now that this isn't being recorded, I would say all kinds of shit that would get me canceled instantly on YouTube. But they seemed to think it was nice. So it was just really awesome. Yeah, that's cool. That's really fun.

So would you do that presence again in the future then with RP and the booth and everything going forward? Yes. So that's a technical business question right uh probably not you know but maybe the i'm definitely interested in going to the arnold for a long time yeah but probably just like floating around yeah like going to other people's booths going to you guys's booths kind of just kind of trying to see what the hair is the real hair is the beard real uh nothing like you

know creep around like the bikini girls that they can't say anything but stand a little too close but not close enough for them to talk to you just close enough for you to smell them that's my shit yeah okay is okay important question here is the anabolic window real or is it more like secret window? The 2004 thriller starring Johnny Depp. Oh, I got to check that out. Although, no,

I don't because thrillers scare me. Okay. It is a little scary. Yeah, it is a little scary. It's a little spooky. Can I, can I get a quick synopsis?

Like just like a two sentence, the chat GPT in two sentences. Tell me what Johnny Depp's movies are all about. I'll give you the official synopsis. Did like a two-sentence chat GPT. In two sentences, tell me what Johnny Depp's movies are all about. I'll give you the official synopsis. Tanner, did you want to give it? No, no. I am actually well-known for giving horrible synopsis. For listeners of our podcast, they have come to love the

awful movie summaries that I give. Tanner gets terrible ones, and in the moment, to me, it sounds like he's rehearsed them, and then on playback, they're gone. Oh, no. I'll be like, I'll, it sounds like he's rehearsed them. And then on playback, they're gone. Oh, no. I'll be like, I'll say the word like a lot. I was going to say, just wildly inaccurate, like Terminator, a child and his robot friend.

Like, no, me, no. And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I do remember that. And then we're all good. I actually don't know if this question makes sense, but I just wanted to talk more about the anabolic window. Here's the synopsis. You can be the judge here. While in the process of an ugly divorce from his wife, writer Mort Rainey relocates to his remote cabin in upstate New York for solitude. Attempting to recover his mental health, Rainey has the misfortune of being found by a farmer who claims he plagiarized

his work oh I didn't see that coming twist ending exactly the place that I go to to recover my mental health is upstate New York who writes this shit if I want to fucking depress myself into suicide

I'll absolutely go to upstate New York. Do you guys really want an answer? Yeah, the anabolic window. What's the skinny? Someone's going to put down the fucking rotary phone after listening to this and be like, man, I learned nothing at all about lifting. Yeah, we'll hit on it. I guess the other part to this is Tommy and I have both been powerlifting training for many years now. We have a decent handle on our training.

We understand the basics of nutrition, of how not to weigh 400 pounds, maybe some things we should do to improve our training, our time in the gym a little bit. We don't know shit. training our time in the gym a little bit we are we don't know shit but we're here the anabolic growing up like it's like anabolic window don't miss it and now i just kind of maybe it's like i don't know maybe it doesn't matter as much not sure so yeah i think you actually just you said it all um so basically the anabolic window is composed of sort of three parts one is the pre-training window where you just like want to eat food so that you have energy to train you know like if you got caught up in traffic or like

san francisco traffic or something and i don't mean the gay club called san francisco traffic which if you got caught up there it's actually just a lot of fun i'm glad you clarified that i was really confused when i was going for a second yes yes oh interesting a lot of cardio before lifting so uh if you get caught up in traffic or something you don't even eat you show up to a training session you haven't eaten for five hours like you might have a bad time so pre-training sometimes it's beneficial to eat maybe two to four hours before and a meal that contains some kind of carbohydrates so that you have like your fucking amp to do some shit and there's nuances around that if you train fast that you're used to it or if you train fast that it's in the morning it can be totally fine uh the other thing is there's

an intra-workout component where especially if you train really hard and for a real long time like like pro crossfitters will be like oh i'm an hour five of my workout what the fuck didn't you just lift all the weights at the gym three times over? They're like, oh yeah, it's time number four. They can benefit from having some protein and carbohydrates and lots of fluids and salts in the workout, and that can be on the margins a good

idea if, again, you're training really hard and for a really long time, especially if you're sweating a lot. Listen, if you're a CrossFitter and you're sweating a lot, hello, can I watch you? Can I maybe touch you a little bit? With my face, not with my hands. Also with my hands.

And then lastly, there's the post-workout window or post-workout meal opportunity, which generally, like, you know, you should probably be eating something that has protein and carbs within an hour of finishing lifting. Because that's probably the more important of all of those. Your muscles are most sensitive to accepting nutrients and the anabolic machinery that starts to turn on that doesn't actually grow a ton of muscle right after you work out, but the gears get moving for the day or two or three later that you will grow muscle. Those gears seem to move better and get to moving faster if you have plenty of food after training, generally high in protein, high in carbs,

and relatively low in fat. The only thing that's low in fat is there is some kind of cellular data to show that high fat intake can directly impair anabolism. I'm not personally too worried about that. But if you eat a meal with a ton of fats it can delay digestion and absorption of the carbs and protein that you actually do need relatively quickly and thus like if you eat like a large pizza after workout your muscles three hours later like what the fuck is going on when's this guy gonna eat because they haven't seen shit because the shit is still digesting so um there is something to that post-workout window. It's a small thing. But what I say to this, even just to, you know, powerlifters or not weirdo contest bodybuilder

people that need to kind of dot all their I's and cross their T's in nutrition. Like if, if you're bothering to go and train hard and you're bothering to train hard enough to like want a lifting program, which by the way, the RP hypertrophy app going to be releasing here in a few months yeah shameless plug but um you know if you bother with like learning shit or even listening to podcasts like this one you can probably bother with getting some fucking protein and carbs within an hour after training and that's just like an easy green check mark next to your nutrition it's not a huge deal but if it's like an easy five or ten percent like it's like walking down the street and seeing like five or ten dollars on the ground like you're not bill gates

pick it up you know what i mean do you guys know the bill gates reference would he know i mean i we know who bill gates is but like i don't know i've heard that name before no but like is there something that he has said he wouldn't pick the money up or something? He didn't, I believe. But people have calculated that someone of his earning stream... Oh, yeah.

It'd be like it costs more to bend over and pick it up. It just costs more time. Yeah. So he makes something like $10,000 an hour or whatever, several hundred dollars a second or some shit. You're like, well, that's not worth it. So twenty dollar bill bill in Bill Gates is on the way to a meeting. You just keep walking, which is insane.

Right. It hurts my Jewish soul beyond repair. Like if I saw someone walk by a twenty dollar bill, look at it and continue to walk and be like, but but but the money. look at it and continue to walk and be like but but but the money that's i couldn't i mean i don't think there's amount of net worth i could have or anything that would prevent me from picking that up like i can't you get too excited i still remember those times you like go to the atm and there's a 20 sitting in there it's like the best thing that ever happened that's actually happened to you at the bar at like one in the morning you know you go you're like i have some cash and there's already cash sitting in there you're like yes i'm pretty sure you're just stealing tips that was left for the bartender by atm you meant like the cash register yeah they're like oh there's money in

here it's whatever the money comes out of it doesn't really matter yes i thought that atm you meant the pornographic technique of ass to mouth. But again, I'm confused and I don't know where I am. That's on me. I should have clarified that. You always check the Bible when you go to a hotel to see if my son actually has found money

on two occasions. Let me just be perfectly clear. Your son is stealing money from God. It's not going to end well. I've seen a few Johnny Depp movies, and they all go that direction. The farmer will get you in the end. I think it was in the New Testament, the money was.

So I don't know what that matters. Ah, you're good. There's a lot of forgiveness in that one. I don't think you care about that part. That's right. You people. Just kidding. I don't care about any parts of it.

Whoa, controversial take. I'm going to sidestep the fuck out of that. Do you think that training to failure... First of all, good or bad bad maybe you can't say but then is it under utilized or over utilized i think it's under utilized by most people who train not hard enough over utilized by people who are really trying to train hard and optimally i think that training to failure is something that's really cool at the very end of your mesocycle before you deload, because it gives you an anchor onto how hard

have you been really pushing this entire time. And it probably drives a little bit more stimulus than most normal training. That's two, three, one rep in reserve. But it comes at a huge non-linear addition of fatigue and it turns out that most of the research and most of our experience confirms like if you leave two reps in the tank on average like almost every power lifter does for everything you actually get very similar muscle gains over time and definitely strength gains but much less fatigue since you have to deload less often and you can make longer term progress and probably even stay more injury free it's a curious thing that bodybuilders who often go light and use bitch-ass exercises like cable this and machine assisted that are like yeah man i'm fucking hardcore go to failure brother i'm a fucking

failure it's what my teachers told me but now look at me now i'm on d-ball it's great these are the same people that will be like a third the strength of a powerlifter and they're like you traded failure right you're like no dumb motherfucker i'm not trying to die i use rpe and they're like what's that it's a fucking pussies and you're like all right you have no idea what you're saying i think a lot of people that claim to train to failure or talk about it a lot are just like, they should join an MMA gym and get punched in the face a couple times just so they can feel tough. I think that's what they're really going for. If you think about it considerably, constantly training to failure, again, it's super effective, but it produces so much fatigue,

it's just not effective for long. You stop getting stronger, you stop progressing. If you keep most of your training a little bit shy of failure, you absolutely check the fucking box of training hard enough, but you can also progress for longer. And that's like, it's really awesome. It's like when you're having sex with someone, is there a time for yelling while you bang them as hard as possible? Yes, but it generally tends to be either at the end or at the beginning,

which for me is roughly the same time period because your boy's not out there trying to last. Yeah, what's in it for you at that point? What's all that extra time for? I mean, we could just watch TV afterwards. So you do put out a lot of good information on training and nutrition, obviously, into the internet through Instagram, all these social media platforms. You know, a lot of it is principle-based stuff. You know, you're educated on it.

I wondered what's your take on, I don't know, I'd call it a fit fluencer. There's probably a number of ways for it. Take this average person I'm making up. They have 500,000 to a million Instagram followers. They're hot. They probably know, maybe they even know like a little bit about training and nutrition. Not that much, but everything they put out is basically crap. What do you think about those?

Like, do you care? Like, are you like, do you think, ah, this is crap, I wish you would stop doing it? Or do you just think, yeah, whatever, do your thing, it doesn't affect me? I rarely can bring myself to blame people doing things that they in earnest think are valuable. Like, I think most people who are fitfluencers

are like they think they know things and they're probably just trying to help people and earn a couple dollars along the way the people i have no trouble blaming is the people that actually listen to those people for advice and i'm mostly kidding because you know like i don't fucking know you got abs and you look great. I kind of want that too. I don't know anything about lifting. I log on the internet. I'm going to listen to what you have to say.

And then I log, I run into like the fucking mass and Amit shit or Dr. Mike is retelling. Like these people are weird. They have weird haircuts. How am I supposed to even parse the fact that they're allegedly know what they're talking about? So like once you get to be like a caviar eating monocle wearing refined lifter yeah you come to us and all the good stuff but a lot of people are just trying to like you know fucking learn

something and when you look amazing and your ass looks beautiful and i want to look like you god damn it as a matter of fact girl what's up with that ass looking like you I'm trying to get close and by that I mean DM you pictures of my cock every day at 3 p.m. like clockwork so do you think what they call me do you think like in this day and age if you were to say compare now to let's say 15 years ago do you think it's harder for people to like parse the bullshit now and find the good stuff? Or was it easier? Was it easier back then when there wasn't as much stuff? Or do you think it's easier now when there is more stuff to go through and find the good stuff? It's a good question. I think back in the day, most of the stuff that was out was awful or just worse. And nowadays, with just a couple of keyword searches, you can get mostly good stuff.

And it's based, you just type that in, scientific principles of, and then boom, like you're into some good shit. uh and then like you know if you have the ability to parse relative like there's ways of being a decently intelligent person that you can have no subject matter expertise but have a bullshit detector that's decently tuned so for example of i don't know anything about like let's say um let's say i'm trying to get like titties installed like let's say i'm a woman i'm trying to get big ass bakeys i'm saying hey girl do your thing nobody judging you out the matter of fact many people support that and i'm like i just don't know which like of these people who talk about how to like find the best cup size and the back at the best doctor there's tons of these people on youtube i don't know who's like an insane person and who's good well if you listen

to them talk if they have like in if they're like everyone sucks but me or this other doctor if they're like insanely bombastic claims like listen everyone else is charging seventeen thousand dollars for surgery i can do it for 99 bucks like you start to be like man i think that person's a fucking weird charlatan liar it's not it's one stop easy fixes hacks all this other bullshit that's the one secret everyone's stupid but me um zero nuance zero it depends statements absolutism if you filter all that out you basically are down to like well like jeff nippert and two other people on youtube and then you're learning good stuff so yeah i think if you're a decently intelligent person and you know how to use keyword search, you can find all the information that you need and most of it's going to be pretty good.

Now, if you don't give a shit slash haven't thought this through, you can find a ton of awful information, but even the awful information is getting better because the common wisdom is improving. Like a lot of people nowadays do macros bro you guys probably remember nobody fucking knew what macros were like 15 years ago there's people that are like chicken and rice fucking broccoli you're like how much of that like one cup of each like what is that a volume there's not even a weight measure what the fuck are we talking about? No one said anything. Now at least most even Fitfluencer idiots with just pictures of their assholes on their accounts, they're like

talking about macros. They're like, try my macros app. And then just sound that dick pick. That's fair. Mike, we've got this special game we play with every guest. You've actually done it before having been on this podcast. Actually, one of the few returned guests.

We have not had that many returned guests. That many people never pick up the phone after you guys hang on. We are not doing that again. We just call people and they're like, my phone actually takes calls? I didn't know this. What the fuck? I've just unplugged my landline and you guys never get to me. They do not possess the technology to reach me any other way that's right uh but so having played it before you're probably fairly familiar with but uh big thing is here you just can't ride the

line we do have a special uh dr mike israel set of topics uh to shoot at you and just your job to determine if each one each one is overrated or underrated oh god damn i hate this fucking game hit me okay i'm ready uh we usually like to take a fun spin on this game so you'll probably not mind it uh overrated or underrated the renaissance underrated big time oh come on come on uh any what what is it about the renaissance specifically that you enjoy i mean okay i'll just get right to the point the artist's rendition of bitches back then bitch had like 80 curves little fucking titties big ass in in in little fucking fertility belly you guys know what i'm talking about a renaissance painting shit

very vivid picture in my mind right now painting indeed it also like i'm not into like that weird like fucked up teeth british face look that they had in a lot of them but like whatever i don't look at the face the body's tight i love it oh yeah renaissance all right that's good um overrated or underrated uh long hair uh on men on their heads okay here we go wildly underrated i saw i saw a picture from like 1977 a few days back. And it's like just regular guy in the street. Like half of them had fucking long ass hair. And I was like, what a great time. You guys, I have literally no joke. I've had like two dreams I can remember in the last like 10 years in which I have like long hair.

And I'm like in the dream. I don't know. It's a dream. And I'm like, whoa whoa this is so cool if like uh you know genetic engineering ever lets us like fuck without genes and shit and like i can like not be bald anymore i'm either gonna be completely bald because i hate hair or like every now and again just grow out like a two foot long fucking bobby o'main and just like swinging around and just be free and like a real man and some weird sense with

long hair you know what i mean like it's just god damn and if i was a woman when a man with long hair approached me i don't even know if i would have the audacity to say anything i would just be like it's so wet that i would slip and fall i think that that's a really good, like not exaggerated take on that. You just described Tanner and I's lives basically right there. I mean, you guys are living the fucking life and because South Dakota has not progressed in any measurable way since 1977,

you're like that high school quarterback that's every year, just the high school quarterback again. We are the living time capsule. It's yeah. I love it. I do have a dream like once a year that my hair gets cut against my will. And I wake up in the worst mood. And it takes me like five to ten seconds to figure out where I'm at and what's going on.

And then it's like just this instant feeling of relief to know it was just a terrible dream. Crisis averted. I thought you were going to say five to ten hours. Get out of my face, grandma. No, no, not that bad. It ruins my week. Okay. This next one, we don't try to allow people to take a pass, but this one was taken on a suggestion. And I don't fully know the backstory.

So if there's any reason you would like a pass on this one, we have a backup. But it sounded like it could be an interesting one. So overrated or underrated, Lyle McDonald? Pass. You didn't think about that very long. Yeah, are you sure? Yeah, there's a backstory, and that's why there's a pass. Yeah, okay. that very long yeah are you sure yeah there's a backstory and that's why there's a past yeah

okay and my like guys my desire to make an an unbelievable number of sequential obscene jokes at that expense is insane but i gotta i gotta i gotta so yeah that's understandable that in that case is i i don't i'm going to now have to do more research. I'll probably just ask chat GP to fill me in on it. Do you think GPT could give me a synopsis of that? It's like, dude, I don't know. These people are irrelevant. That's true. All right. And then it's like you're irrelevant, too. You're like, well, it woke up. it's awake this is bad this is bad okay uh in that

case overrated or underrated uh slow tempo eccentrics how slow i'm just kidding because there's there's actually like a training fad like 10 years ago called super slow training which legitimately every rep took like 40 seconds oh wow yeah like what like might as well just start like burning your dick with a magnifying glass if you're that kind of shit which actually in retrospect sounds pretty fun i i have been a bad boy the sun um so you let the sun dominate but the sun is setting so you're like it's not cutting oklahoma safe word

the sun's just no good with listening to safe words um fuck what was the question uh slow tempo eccentrics oh yeah yeah um yeah like controlled two to three second eccentrics underrated they're great you know is there any issue with like bracing you know is it can you do it too slow and then bracing is an issue i just made me think of it when you said 40 seconds i'm like well um you know i would pass out right right i'm like i can't barely do it for three uh for sure and so it's got to be one of those things where if you're doing especially higher reps with slower eccentrics, you're going to have to breathe through the movement. So what I typically do is like towards the latter number of reps, I'll breathe through the movement and right

before the very bottom part of the movement where I need the most bracing, I'll take a breath in and then on the way up, I'll start breathing out and breathing again. So yeah, it's a, you gotta, if you're really doing powerlifting style bracing, the reps have to be powerlifting speed. Right. Okay. All right. Last topic. We saved the best for last. Lyle McDonald again. No, just kidding. Oh my God. Here we go.

No, uh, overrated or underrated. Correct me on pronunciation because I have no idea what I'm saying here, but overrated or underrated, correct me on pronunciation because I have no idea what I'm saying here, but overrated or underrated. Senechki? So I'll tell you, that pronunciation, I don't mean this offensively. I'm not like a language purist. Is that the

whitest way to pronounce it? So mispronounced, I don't know what it is okay uh uh sunflower seeds oh fuck you know oh hell yeah okay so fucking super overrated i'm sorry anyone who's a fan you you gotta chew them and spit shit out of your mouth. I have this thing with food. I want my food processed before it arrives. Legit. If you were like, if I'm fucking hanging out somehow and super ass rich people, I'm like, oh, here's this Maine lobster, which I've never had. I have to peel it apart with my hands. Nobody here is rich, motherfuckers.

All lost. Can you get the fucking thing out of the shell, please? Because people eat sunflower seeds you're like the traditional style especially when you're russian is you fucking eat them and then you like unshell them with your fucking mouth you spit out the fucking shell fuck that what do they call i'm gonna mispronounce this because i'm again not from america pistachios pistachios yeah yeah which one is it is it uh we're probably not the right people to ask. We do funny things with our ass. We're almost in Canada.

Right. Like, oh, but the South Dakotans told me those aren't even people. So like pistachios are like if they're shelled, it's like the cream of modern civilization. If they're like, I'm sorry, unshelled. If they've been unshelled and you're just eating the nuts, it's the fucking best thing in the world. And if you like, if I'm, especially if I'm high on marijuana, if I have any amount, I will eat it.

Like a gallon of that, I'll still fucking eat it. Oh, if they're lightly salted, Jesus, I could breathe that shit. If the shell has been removed from them. Been removed, yes. But if if the shell is not removed i'll eat like two and i'm like fuck this i'm not doing manual labor this is the worst thing ever so sunflower seeds um sandwich sandwich kid by the way okay that's what i wanted to also say again uh say again for us sandwich kid okay i think i had it that's all good it was pretty close i was like i don't know why tanner's asking again he's not gonna get this um like they're if they're so i'll say this if they're shelled which is like uh free of their shell i eat like a few of them and i'm

like it's like not that good it's fine but if they have the shell on i just don't it's not that good. It's fine. But if they have the shell on, I just don't. It's a non-starter. And I tried when I was seven. We go have these. They're great. And I shelled like two of them. And I was like, my fingers hurt. And my patience hurts even more.

Fuck this stupid food. I hope Vladimir Putin dies a fucking early death. Which I actually do mean. He's long overdue and wildly overrated. Bonus topic. The other thing like sunflower seeds, that's not a food you eat like for any. But like you could never really know. No.

Could you even like your mouth would get so sore from all the salt you could never even actually eat enough of those to get any like any like. I don't even know what the calorie intake is from that that you get out of those things 100 100 it's it's a food that's like a joke of a food it's like a novelty food like oh try it isn't it hilarious to try to eat it no it's not hilarious at all this is awful it's a terrible joke so is it really pop is it a very popular uh uh russian snack food you know it's been a long time since i've been in russia as a matter of fact technically i've never been in russia because i left when it was still the soviet union and back when i left it wasn't like um the notion of a popular food is a little bit um it's a jaundiced account by by

people who have lived have been lucky enough to live in capitalism their entire life but this is there's things that are around and you eat them because they're around and there's not like oh like i don't want this today like no motherfucker that's what that's what the only thing we got at the fucking store waited in line for two hours so yeah like sandwich gear pretty was there i think you drink a lot and then you eat them and then you sit on your porch in your adidas tracksuit your leather cap and you like people walk by and you try to start fights with them you lose all the fights you drink more and eat sandwich gear like man's day you know day 50 in russia it's how it works i guess it's a different thought when you look at look at it through the eyes of our privilege south dakotan privilege

strikes again yeah we don't need that shit. We got better food. That's right. All right, good stuff. Looks like you passed overrated, underrated, so congratulations. That's two times now. Two-time winner. Do I win anything? No, you just win.

You're a winner. We do air the episode, though. That's usually the winning thing, is we decide to play the episode since you actually passed. Can you imagine you feel like seven episodes ever because everyone just fails the game. Sorry.

Okay, so that's cool. We really appreciate you coming on and you did mention the RP training app is coming out soon. Anything else that you'd like to get out on that? What's the timeline? The timeline? When do you guys release your episodes?

This will come out the following upcoming Monday here. Just like four days from now. I thought you were going to say it's streaming right now to a rotary phone near you. You have to dial in. It's like when you used to want to like hear what movies are playing

at the local cinema you like that's right yeah alexander graham bell is actually listening to this right now yes um so the idea is to release like by which she's christ uh software releases are always tough um by june at some point in june it should be out and that would be like pretty late so hopefully sometime in may probably uh a safe bet is june i hope i don't live to regret that but um yeah and it's basically like it just does hypertrophy training and well since this is a powerlifting mostly audience, I think, the Juggernaut AI app is dope as fuck. They're a sponsor of the Maths and Dynamics podcast, so my heart skipped a beat when you said the Juggernaut AI app.

I was like, I hope he's not going to say something. Please, I don't want to have to answer anything. Chad, he's a sponsor, and we actually got Chad to come out to South Dakota earlier this year to come train and stuff. He doesn't just go anywhere. Chad is just Wesley Smith. He's elite. I can't believe

his Zeppelin actually landed in South Dakota. I think his shoes are made of caviar or something like that. His boat shoes. 100%. He stepped down the south he's like my word these animals live like this this isn't newport beach california so yeah uh you know okay so slight suggestion if chad never hears this episode which i'm sure he never will um i should hit him up.

Chad's a very good friend of mine. I should text him and be like, all right, Chad, I know you have jargon idea, but watch this, ready? Chad GPT, come on, writes itself. Oh, that's good. That is good. Come on, it's obvious. So that is, in my view,

the preeminent app for training for powerlifting and training for strength. And people have asked like, oh, will your app do strength training? And straight up, the answer is no. Maybe sometime in the future, it'll do some kind of strength training. But for powerlifting, there's just no argument. It's juggernaut AI. If you give it up on all hope of getting strong, and you want the kind of round muscles that makes ladies go, that looks weird. What's wrong with you? Then the RP hypertrophy app, it's like a kind of looks like a universal program generator.

So we have a ton of templates in there and you can load them up and it's just like, yeah, push, pull legs and it writes it for you and then you just do it. It auto regulates all your loads and all your volumes it adjusts you rate all the how sore am i how pumped am i getting all this other stuff how much do my joints hurt adapts the program to you the entire time which is pretty dope but also you can just write any kind of program you want in there and it'll be like all right i believe you that you want to do squats every day for six days a week here you go here's day one do your squats and you rate it and all the stuff so it's it's it's really cool i'm really happy to have uh had a hand in making it but mostly chat gpt wrote it to the audience that's what that

unlimited account that's where it comes from oh yeah that'll write me an app yeah that all does sound good i'd just be concerned that i don't know if anyone can audio auto regulate my loads quite as good as i can my man uh good stuff awesome i would say uh if anyone's not everyone probably already is but uh you have a really good instagram account i really like the videos you've been doing lately they've i don't know what you're doing but they've been popping up in my algorithm a lot too so something's going well there and then also uh renaissance periodization you guys do a new youtube video like every day somehow i don't really know how that's possible yeah how what's that how does that happen well to be honest like uh we have a fucking unbelievable videographer who came straight down from heaven and into my love life well that's unrelated um and uh

yeah well as you guys can probably tell i can talk uninterrupted for any length of time you switch me on and then switch me off so i can actually do that in front of the video camera and the videographer we have is like just a fucking machine as far as editing and uh content creation and stuff so i just keep pushing in front of a camera i talk a bunch of shit and then he pushes me he wheels me off and i keep still talking and he just wheels me into a dark room where i continue to speak until he wheels me off with the camera in my face uh and then we just like make a lot of videos so funny enough like this is just me bragging but we had to go to vegas for some work stuff and we were there for like basically like seven weeks

it took us one month so we released like four four to five content heavy youtube videos per week it took us just over a month to record one year ahead on youtube so now a year ahead of banked videos for you wow that's crazy yeah that's wild so do you ever worry that you're like too far ahead like you've done too much yeah it's like everything i'm saying after a certain point is irrelevant and outdated right or like you make a joke reference about uh i don't know what but the optics of that joke have really changed in the last 12 months like i'm like listen i'm gonna put my life's worth no one's ever gonna slap chris rock in the face ever i will give up all of my money. Oh, wait, hold on. No, no, wait, wait. Pull that video. Pull that one off.

Yeah. Well, the cool thing is, is like, I think the bigger risk that we've discovered is some of the video topics that we broach are so fucking nerdy. Scott, the video guy who handles the YouTube channel, all the filming and everything, he's like, dude, we can't put this out to the regular channel unless you want to be not popular at all and make no money. out to the regular channel unless you want to be not popular at all and make no money and then we actually have a member section in the youtube where people for some reason pay us money for extra videos and then the nerdy videos just go into that area and those guys love them so that's like really my actual who people would be in real life my friends even though i don't have real life friends my parents just say that's because i'm really special. They're just going to be that one friend for me at some point.

That's wild. A year out. That is crazy. We occasionally get two weeks ahead on the podcast and it feels like we're just living in the future. We've got to shut this down. Slow it down, fellas. Jesus. Two weeks. We'll never get to two weeks from now.

Will we have flying cars then? Oh, yes. Chat GPT will make them. Awesome. All right, Mike, we do really appreciate you coming on. We'll probably get a hold of you in about two more years and have you come back. I'll just be replaced by Chat GPT by then. That's true.

That's probably true. I mean, we won't see your face, so we won't know if it's you or not. You know, we won't really know if it's chat GPT. Do you know? Do you know? Or am I Alexander Graham Bell? Yeah,

that's a good point. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for having me. We do appreciate it. Thanks, Mike. Thanks a lot,

Mike. Take care guys. Bye. Bye. Cool beans. Cool beans. Cool beans. Cool beans! Cool beans! Did you give him a double shot on cool beans over there?

Double shot. I almost, for a split second, when we were, I have no idea why I was going to do this when we were ending that call. I wanted to, like, go hit the red record button on my Rodecaster, and I'm like, whoa, why am I going to do that? No, no, no. Don't even think about that. I would say ever since we transitioned to Studio 6.9,

you know, our current format that we've been at, which also if you've been listening along at this point, I don't think you even know that like, especially audio wise, there's no difference, right? Yeah, if you this point watch this online you probably have no idea that me and tanner are not in the same room recording this right it's not we're not in old-fashioned studio 6.0 or right now this is studio 6.9 but uh what i was getting at is that uh i look over at this thing like once an episode or a couple times an episode and just

being like you know a moment of sheer panic and like just what did i forget to do i'm like oh no i never hit the record button did i and every time i've hit the record button but like it happens at least like once a time where i'm like oh crap i definitely forgot to do it and like oh no it seems to all be doing what it's supposed to as as the guy that's ran the board you know for what like three years before like on my own yeah oh probably at least that long right it's been like for a long time however yeah actually probably closer to five yeah yeah ran it on my own um yeah i will say that there's always a little bit of that the worst ever was when jonathan was there and we were in fact like

15 minutes in we realized we had not hit record that that was the worst we've ever had it. We've never gotten more than that. And, um, probably the most nervous I ever was, was when Chad came over and I just the whole time thinking I'm looking at this red light, but is that red light really on? Is that, is that red light really recording or am I, and it even has the timer telling you what's going on. But is that timer really working? Like, I just couldn't. In my mind, I just wanted to. My mind was telling me, like, no, you're actually not recording this. This is a special setup.

This is a special time of day. Like, we have a three-man show here going on. You can't mess this up. You're doing everything different. Yeah, don't mess it up. Chad flew here from California. You know, like. Yeah.

But luckily, we don't have problems with that. No, we've really. Like, I've even forgotten about the Jonathan thing. Like, outside of that, we've really never, we've never hardly had any, like, technical. No, I don't know if you remember in the very beginning when the first few episodes were just you and me, there was a few times. On the old soundboard.

Yeah, when it was recording to my computer and not the soundboard, that it would like quit recording yeah and i kind of figured out what was doing it but it still wasn't a guarantee and that sucked because we'd look and be like oh shit uh yeah and then it's like what were we talking about there this thing said this thing is paused right now and then you'd listen back to what were we saying here and then you'd find it well that happened a few times and we could always edit it so you almost would never know but right um outside of that we've been pretty lucky on the technical difficulty side knock on wood am i right

oh that's good um mentioned in art we talked about renaissance periodization but more importantly we have another new YouTube video coming out. Well, it's still pretty fresh by the time this podcast comes out. But the one that posted last week was the Drink Spotter Lite. The one that comes out tomorrow or just recently came out, if you're listening to this, was our new Massanomics Gym Tour updated tour video, which was pretty awesome, right? Oh, it was was just we talked about it the difference between filming that video the first time we did it which was a little over two years ago i think yeah probably maybe even close to three by the time we actually filmed it

versus when or yeah because we we filmed that one in like january i believe and then didn't release it until like july okay we filmed it in like january of 2021 yes okay so actually yeah and we we shot this one like three weeks ago i think yeah so yeah so it's a little over a couple years yeah just a little over two years but even then i could not believe one how much the gym has changed and then two just the difference in the style of how we do things and i think this is a stylistically, visually entertaining. I think it's a way superior video. Like the cadence and the massonomics.

Oh. Like massonomics as an adjective. Yes. Yes. To this video. Yes. The massonomics-ness of it. The first one we did, like we thought we both had to

be on camera and so we had to get a guy to run the camera for us and i mean it we dicked around a lot oh my i think just the filming of that video took us like four hours the editing because we did some goofy stuff with the sound that we didn't have like we've had we've gotten some piece of equipment we screwed around so many takes of stuff and like so much so many cuts yes and part of it some goofy stuff with the sound that we didn't have. Like we've had, we've gotten some piece of equipment. We screwed around so many takes of stuff and like so much, so many cuts. Yes. And part of it is we have gotten some equipment that's made life easier.

And part of it is like, no, we're just going to do it in the massonomic style, which is in this case, you're going to be on camera. I'm going to be off camera, but I'm going to be talking to you the whole time. So now we don't have to get some other person involved.

And that adds like to this whole confusion. And're not used to that like nope it's just you and me doing our thing and it was it basically took once we figured out okay we're gonna do this this and this it was one take for the front room one take for the back room we were done it was like that was the easiest and then i went to edit it it was like uh apply color correction uh next one color correction watch the whole video perfect awesome okay it's done like it was the easiest video ever and it seems just as fun like it's oh i thought it was probably not even are you it's more fun like it was like you watch it like oh that was a lot of fun yes and i think that what taught us that was we did the whole vlog thing through the yard and we're like okay i kind of get how this works now like how it's supposed to go and yeah this is a formula that we can do

and i think is entertaining i mean we seem to i guess that's obvious that is the whole youtube thing like yeah the more we do it the more we can come up with our formula of how we can do it a little bit better here a little bit better there like a little bit more efficient here a little bit more efficient there so i guess it just does take actually doing it and it is already starting to like yeah it is it's dumb like it is the advice for anything it's like oh you want to get better at it just do it like right that is the classic advice yeah and some some of it like the better at it i think in our case is just figuring out what's the right way for us yeah doing it yeah and that's because it's not like your voice it's right and it's just like oh no this is how we do that like

yeah your style can't just be trying to be uh these two people because we're not but it's the same thing like you don't find your style by just thinking i mean you just start doing stuff and that's how you figure out what your style is you know right so yeah so it's not to say that like every video we do ever it's not like this perfect uh this ladder linear step where everything gets better and better better better but i just do i do think over time that is what you'd see you know that it just went from here here to there but you know we have some i mean like i have one that i recorded it's so long ago that i recorded it even same thing like for me. Now that I'm like,

oh wait, I would do that probably a little bit. Like we've gone through some other techniques and stuff that I'm like, ah, I'd probably do that differently. And I think it would make it better. But at this point it's like, now we'll just put that out and work on making our future ones better.

Cause we do have a couple in there. Like we've been so, we have actually had this catalog backlog that we have a few videos that are in there that are now probably close to two months old, if not more. And we have made, I think, some pretty big strides in quality and entertainment over the course of two months. But I mean, yeah, we'll still put it out there. One other thing I had in here was this actually comes courtesy of the Mastodonics Discord crew. They were talking about streaks in there today. They were talking about

how long people have gone without puking. How long people have gone without throwing up. How long have you gone, what's your current streak, do you put it out? How long have you gone without puking? This is one of those things that I think the streak in my life

was maybe on 15 years. And then all of a sudden, I'll tell you, I can tell you the data. When was your 15 year-ish stretch all of a sudden i'll tell you i can tell you the day when was your 15 years ish stretch actually i would i could probably tell you actually um i probably well the power lifting meet back in like no that i was gonna say that was what broke the streak but actually what broke it before that was probably when i turned 21 i puked that night too um but outside of that i probably I think I was in like

fifth or sixth grade I remember being sick and puked and thinking that that was the worst thing that's ever happened to me in my life was puking yeah and then yeah it was probably about 21 was probably the next time I puked so whatever fifth grade is what's that probably 10 ish so you went all those years yeah without puking i never i don't your high in high school never really puked never puked in high school ever i can tell you that because i i never i like never got sick i don't know if i yeah i never got sick same thing for middle school basically didn't get sick so i never puked and then yeah 21 and then from not drinking the first time i puked from sickness was that power lifting meat that will i've i've never that was the first time

i like felt that so feeling being sober and having that happen and man that was a trip and then now ever since that happened ever since that happened it's like oh yeah every two years i'm good for one now that's gonna just wreck me so you're uh how what's your current streak then do you think uh my current streak i can tell you it was uh last, last year in like February ish. Cause I remember thinking like, dude, if this happened, I was at the Arnold Tanner would just have to fricking leave me to die.

I just, this would be the end of me. I'd be done. Go on without me. Yeah. And I remember being, I was so scarred by that, how hard I got wrecked that I,

even at the Arnold, I'm like just afraid to eat everything. Like, am I just going to die? Because die because this just totaled me. But, uh, yeah, so it's a little over a year.

His would be the last time for me. That's good. It's not a bag of streets. Um, well, if we're doing our puke history, let's see. I,

I think, uh, I didn't go, I didn't have a stretch in that time period. I think for the course of me being a child up through high school age, I had maybe an average number of being puke-sicking. Every couple of years I did it. I never had a good streak there where I didn't.

And then I had a very bad streak from probably 16-ish to 23. It wasn't because of being sick it was because of uh absurd amounts of binge drink you know of uh party drinking where it happened a lot where you know it's like you drink like a fifth of lord calvert and like your body has no choice but to puke like yeah, I mean, I puked like that happened or, you know, like, or it took like 17 shots of SoCo lime and got scarred to death because of the profuse vomiting that like followed up the SoCo line.

You know, like that happened to me probably 15 times or, you know, at least a couple of times a year for, like I said, for like a seven year stretch there. stretch there see i because it's just the just horrible liquor binge drinking you know i always thought there was a lot of times where i just i was young like really felt like you overdid it oh i'm not proud of uh recommending like for

me to me and my brother were opposite sides like Like he can just get a, I mean, yeah, he parties hard too, but he can get a whiff of something wrong and puke. And for me, it's like, I, I don't know. It's for sure been less than 10 times that I've ever puked from drinking.

It might be five times, maybe less than that. It's very, very few times. Then, um, you know, when I'd say I got past about 23,

I mean, I still continue to drink but i stopped being like i'm not just drink taking like 12 shots of tequila for the pure sport of it like i'm not like i don't need to be i'm not the drunkest person you know like push the limits of what's possible right i don't need to like find out what my stomach can physically like what a human body can actually go through and still survive. So I went a very long time. I think I had like a five-year-plus streak. And like I can't, I never was, once I got to be an adult,

I never had the actually puking from being sick thing. Like I haven't had that for a very long time. Like I get my stomach feels bad or I get the craps and you know like i don't want to eat and stuff like that but actually vomiting not really so i was on like um i would definitely over five years i don't know how many years streak but then at my bachelor party so you would have been there um i did yeah puke uh that's a story for another time yeah that wasn't just from like extreme drinking that was from us just uh it's just a lot going on yeah um that i actually puked there so that ended a really good streak that i had and then from there i went on uh few year streak, but then I,

I was sick, like the, like a bad fever and in bed and stuff like that. I can't remember what the sickness was. And someone brought my antibiotics, like one of these giant horse pill antibiotics that I got prescribed. I had to take, and I was on a way empty stomach, which I shouldn't have taken it on empty stomach. And I took that and this was at my old house and me and everyone in my family that was old enough to have memories at that point in time, vividly remembers that day because my vomiting is earth. It moves heaven and earth. Like when I do it, it's not like, like oh let me go to the toilet and be like

you know it's like you know they left the house because it was like oh that's bad you know like they had to exit for a while because of the and that's how it feels to me too i would say also that's how damaging it is like this i'm like oh this is like ending my life right now like the pain you know this the when i puke it feels like i am screaming at the top of my lungs into the toilet like like it is everything is coming and it not only is it coming out of me it is coming out of me with the loudest volume that and i don't i don't feel like i'm trying to do it but it's like the loudest noise i ever make in my life is when I'm puking. If I'm really drunk though,

if I was puking from drinking, that'd be a different, that's different. Then it just happens. It's just right. Yeah. That that's different. But the actual,

like the sickness, uh, oof, that's bad. I've, and, um, so then that's my streak now.

So I'm thinking I'm at like over five years now since then. That's pretty good. So I'm on a pretty good streak. Yeah, proud of that. Like to keep it that way. That's a good streak to keep going. You don't want to break that one. That's a good streak.

Because mine is violent too. Like I think I do remember yours. Like I'm a little traumatized by that experience in the hotel room for the powerlifting meet. But more so I was just thinking like oh man there's no way that that dude is going to be able to powerlift tomorrow like there is no way yeah and like I remember how I did well I know I've we've talked to this story many times over the years but Ryan and I both looking up at each other in like opposite beds and being like just both being like wow that seems really bad and then it's like then we both just lay our

heads back down and they're like well i guess we'll try to go back to sleep yeah hit the uh pepto-bismol imodium and tom's really hard the next day and still was a very long day but made it happen yeah so puking overall not fun is it no and actually now you say it um there was i was really feeling like my streak was already gonna end this was about three weeks ago everyone in my house puked multiple times over the course of a week besides me. And the funniest one was our seven-month-old baby girl. She was just, I don't remember my son ever doing this, but she was doing the projectile vomiting thing, which out of a little baby, it's like,

you're like, what, a foot and a half tall? How does stuff spray out of you like that? Like it's a loaded gun the way it's just spraying out. And there was one point, we thought she was done with it because it had been a little while and my wife was holding her and burping her and she kind of started to like burp and spit up a little bit and she's like okay take her this is she's doing it too much and i went to go grab her she's facing my wife they're sitting in a chair so i'm grabbing her my daughter's facing away from me and it's just like i was holding a gun and it was just shooting and

i could just turn her in whatever direction it was like i was spraying a hose it was just going everywhere and i i couldn't stop laughing because it was so absurd it was it was so absurd but it just kept going and going and i'm just like spraying it and it was so did your wife get like nickelodeon uh slime yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. She basically did. And even, even she was, I mean, she was girl style,

but she was also laughing at just the craziness of it because it doesn't make any sense that this, right. That this little thing can just spray puke everywhere. Oh, anything else about puke or to be pretty much. I mean, if you really want to have puke stories on,

we could have Ryan on Sunday and he could just tell you puke stories. The ins and outs of it. Oh my God, he could go... He could probably talk for hours about puke stories, but no one really wants to hear that, let's be honest. No. We probably actually covered it a little bit too much, didn't we?

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