Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 367: Kaizen DIY Gym with Kyle Divine

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

Big Kyle of Kaizen DIY Gym joins us for this one to talk about DIY gym projects, woodworking, trolls, and Apple Geniuses. Also, don’t forget to get a new drink spotter! Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://store.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

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We've got a sack segment. We're bringing back a very cool sack segment this week. We're going to talk about big, giant, lift hard, live easy, meet news, big changes, huge changes. Don't want to miss that. No, we're going to talk about supporting our supporting members. We're going to have a special guest, big Kyle of Ka kaisen diy gym play overrated underrated with him maybe a little shenanigans a little silly goose time in between all of that stuff before in the middle and after

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That's hot. It's a hot day when, what, nine days ago it was like 40 or 30? Yeah, and it was like 58 degrees here today. So it's like 30-some degrees difference. Well, you guys got to let snow on the ground to cool the air. Oh, I'm it's very good thing that it's not 89 degrees here. Actually,

it's doing exactly what we would want it to do in order to not have a, like, Oh, just taking its time a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If it would be a,

it would be bad news if it was 90 degrees here today. Yeah. It almost doesn't feel like I'm living in the same town anymore because when it goes from 30 degrees to 90 in a matter of a week and a half you lose i mean the weather totally changes you lose all of the snow like it's just your whole life feels different it's it's really odd yeah we don't have very much uh i think by like a couple more well even now it's almost getting to where it's just the piles you know it's the piles and the big drifts uh which is a welcome sight like see all this grass that i haven't seen yet i mean it's it's still brown but like i like literally

literally seeing it as just a nice nice sight yep ours is literally grass turning green already it's crazy yeah fast it's changing well 90 degrees will do that it will it will absolutely it is crazy that i think also i had heard maybe parts of uh southwestern south dakota were like 96 degrees today maybe even so much and i'm like that is like 40 degrees warmer than what it's like in this corner of the state right right that is a why i wonder what the record is for the for the most drastically different temperatures in in the same state at the same time yeah yeah south dakota is probably up there as a candidate i don't know there's probably like yeah what do you figure like states with extreme deserts or extreme mountains

yeah like i think california has to have some pretty crazy swings. Yeah, for sure. And also they go so far north to south. Right, yes, yes. But not counting that. California would be a front runner though, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah. And possibly, oh boy.

Yeah, they probably are. I don't think Arizona has that big of a swing. And like Hawaii, you know, they have mountains with snow. Like you said, though, it'd be mountain versus, or like, what about like Nevada, where there's like, you know, the hottest of deserts versus. Yeah, I just don't know like what their mountain, like their mountain caps are like. How cold do those get, you know? Right.

But a 40 degree temperature difference is pretty significant for not that or sioux falls to aberdeen not uh significant elevation 200 miles yeah 200 miles and yeah basically i would assume the same elevation yeah yeah yeah um so that's the weather another another week another weather update yeah and you um well wait maybe we should talk about this uh uh our big meat meat uh yes we probably should our big meat news maybe we should just not beat around the bush on this one as much as we like to keep people waiting we probably do need to get right to the point on this one yeah and that's that's a big announcement. We need like a big announcement button. I don't think I have one of those anymore.

Maybe. There. There's the crowd cheering. There we go. What do I got? Who the fuck said that? That's pretty much the same thing. A little full metal jacket.

No, there actually is meat. We're just not going to make puns all day about our big meat that we're packing with us. We actually do have big meat news. The news is the meat is moving, right? It is moving. And not date-wise. So before everyone that's coming to the meat is going to freak out at first when they hear that they're saying what what do you mean moving i made plans yeah well it's not going to negative negatively affect anyone's plans so

that's uh that's the positive and uh the only reason it's moving this is all positively related stuff. It's moving locations. What we ran into is... The demand was too high. Yeah, we knew that the meat would probably do well. We had hoped we weren't going to go into it thinking that it was going to be a failure, but the demand of vendors, spectators... Participants. Yeah, we didn't anticipate how high it was going to be. The demand of vendors, spectators, participants.

Yeah, we didn't anticipate how high it was going to be, and we started really looking at the space and visualizing what that was going to look like, and we just knew it just wasn't going to work. I mean, we could have forced a square peg into a round hole in that instance and made it work we could have but we would have been that we would have just the event basically would have been closed to the public like no one would have been able to come watch besides your plus one right and it would have been very tight at that even yeah so we're moving the location uh and for anyone that made hotel accommodations at the American where it was going to be, no big deal. We're not moving to a different hotel, so you would still need a hotel.

So I don't really, you're not out anything. You still probably got to sleep somewhere. So where the event is getting moved to, though, is the Odie Event Center in western northeast South Dakota. Is it the event center? Odie Ice Arenaota or what are you the event center od ice arena maybe call it od ice arena and basically it is our uh minor league uh hockey hockey teams facility obviously the ice is not going to be there but uh we're moving there because we're going to have a lot more space um we're going to be able to do some cooler things with the vendors we'll be able to start announcing vendors here coming up there will be multiple uh vendors that people

will probably be pretty excited about uh we have the opportunity now we're going to have locker rooms available yes lifters will have access to lifter only locker rooms which lifter only locker rooms tons of room to use bathrooms spread out and not worry about that od is odde yeah people asking in the discord yeah and uh also as far as location wise in western northeast south dakota it's not really relevant everything's close yeah it's maybe i don't know maybe a mile or so from the from the hotel yeah it would be a 10 minute drive i would say almost at most from the hotel i think 10 would be pushing it i think it'd be yeah because it's all edge edge of town too so it's easy to get there yeah um and what else is a perk of it we we're gonna have a beer vendor set

up right there as a part of the facility that's gonna going to be cool. It's going to allow us to utilize Dave's pyrotechnics because now we have plenty of space for that stuff. So flamethrowers will be able to be in full force. We've already got the food vendor coming in. It's going to be a food truck that's also going to be set up

inside there too. And probably the biggest thing is now we have bleacher seating available yeah like we plan on we're gonna do everything we can to see if we can get a couple hundred people to come watch this thing and um that just would not have been possible at the old setup and here we'll have tons of chairs put out we'll have bleacher seating available so you could very well be uh lifting in front of hundreds of people if everything goes according to plan.

Yeah. Big Keith in the Discord said, now I don't need to stay at the American. So what is the nicest hotel in Aberdeen? Tommy, what's the nicest hotel in Aberdeen? If you're... If the nicest hotel in the Aberdeen, I'd probably be...

Well, I mean, you... It's the Hampt. What are those two attached to I'd say either those two or the Fairfield just because they're the newest and those are respectable brands so Hampton Fairfield or is it a Holiday Inn Express

I think it's Holiday Inn Express those three are all pretty new those would be very nice if you want closer to the event center and you're changing the Best Western is probably the closest. Yeah, that would be the closest. It's still, I mean, still. But there again, they're all.

I mean, you're talking taking a five-minute car ride and turning it into a three-minute car ride. I mean, that's all you're doing here. But yeah, any of those you're going to be fine with. Other actually cool tidbit of information for Masonomics historians. This is located on the Brown County Fairgrounds. This would be just right inside from where we

hosted the original 2016, 2017, and 2018 Masonomics Strongman Showdown. So we're actually kind of going back to our roots here. Home sweet home. It's the yard right out in front of the arena is where the the strongman always was so it is where yeah we've just moved on into the building yeah uh

people asked about the after party so the plan is going to be uh rough itinerary at this point is we're going to have the meat of course wrap that up we're going to have the meat, of course, wrap that up. We're going to have the food and beer there, but we're going to have a certain shutdown time. We don't know exactly what that time is in the relatively early evening. Give everyone a small gap in between to get freshened up from the meat, and then we're going to have official re-meet-up time. You guessed it. At a certain local watering hole.

Yes, that's animal themed in name and we may be working out some details there as well but yeah there's a good chance if you consider 60 some lifters and a lot of people have someone with them 100 of us going to a bar we could pretty much take it over so yeah so we do we're kind of getting all those wheels in motion. We've been working on this event location change for a little while now. We knew it was probably going to happen, but I finalized the handshake deal here just earlier this week, so it's official.

You had them put it in the old vice? Yeah, I said, all right, we've talked about this here. Now we just need to spit in our hands and then toss one right in the old vice people are looking up reviews of the zoo bar um i do think is there any negative to the move at all like i just you know i mean we only see the glass half full so of course there's no negatives i mean that's who knows it's uh it's gonna be better it's gonna be tons of room for people to warm up spread out i mean have your private lifting area like there'll be no shortage of

bathrooms those are all things that i always view is very important when i'm lifting like the bathroom setup is going to be very good, actually. As far as lifters are concerned, between the locker room and the bathroom setup, that's a good call out. I think it's going to be no bathroom lines at this meet. So that'll be nice for the people lifting. And it should be, as far as the spectacle of it all,

it should be a much better place for all that. And then, like we said we do have some vendors we'll get that announced but as of right now i think what do we got four vendors five vendors maybe county economics yeah yeah it does look like it and be some uh cool ones what like you said we'll continue to announce those but i guess i don't know how have we announced officially that we are bringing in a special spotting and loading crew too that's oh no that hasn't been announced either that was all wrapped up into this where we started bringing in this crew and then really thinking about the numbers and we're like man we're bringing in so many people even that are just helping out with

this like there's not gonna be people there's not gonna be room left for people to spectate at the old location so we are bringing in the closest thing to professional spotters and loaders that you can get. Yeah, it's the crew out of Minneapolis-St. Paul. They are brought in every year to spot and load at the Arnold and some of the big USAPL events, really the biggest events that USAPL puts on, and we're bringing in that crew. There's a whole bunch of them coming. They're going to be staying here and several of them are actually supporting members.

They're in the crew. Um, so that'll be cool to just be more, more people around to get in on the shenanigans and they're just really good at what they do. So, uh, it'll be kind of a high level white glove,

uh, spotting and loading treatment. Yes, you'll have people that really know what they're doing. It helps the meat run way faster. Just everything goes smoother. So that's going to make life a lot better for everyone. Yes. Okay, what do we got?

Oh, man. This time, just this time's a ticking today. We got so much good stuff to talk about. Maybe we'll wait on the SAC segment for a little bit here. I did want to hit on supporting our supporting members. I think that that's, you know, we can't not. Important, you could say. Yeah, we can't not do supporting our supporting members, right?

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Okay. We can get our guest on the horn here. Do we want to let everyone stay on for a little bit more or kick them off? Maybe we'll keep them on for a little bit since we kind of short-changed them this week. Yeah. We had to move some things around. Kids, am I right? Can't live with them? For a little bit since we kind of shortchanged them this week. Slightly different schedule this week. Yeah. We had to move some things around, you know. Kids, am I right?

Can't live with them. That's it. You know the saying. You know the saying. Okay. Let's get Big Kyle on the horn then. We'll let everyone stay on. A little bonus time. Somebody asked if we lost a big deposit at the america and i was negotiating

that today i was trying to sweet talk him into saying i said you know i know this is actually kind of what a deposit's for but in this case it was our money i know i made a reservation i would like to cancel that reservation and then i would like the money back that I committed to this. For this specific reason. Did you say, do you have any idea who the hell I am? I tried to kill him with kindness. Go with that approach, knowing that we're in the position of being in the wrong of sorts. Just be like,

maybe if we're so nice to them, they can't help but to like, want to be nice back. These guys are so nice. The least I could do is give them their money back. We'll get big Kyle on the horn. Oh, Kyle's already in Zoom. He's breaking the's breaking big kyle is that you yeah hey i was afraid i missed your call did you guys just call we just called right now oh sweet i was listening i was listening to your episode today where you were like freaking out about not getting the recording.

Like, you know, not recording. I was in my basement. Here we go. You're going to call any minute now. And I'm like, shit, it's late. Anyway, glad I didn't miss your call. What's up, dudes? No, you didn't miss the call, and we didn't forget to record. When you started mentioning that,

I just did a little double, triple check on all my lights. I had to do the same thing. They seem to be the right color. All right. Big Kyle, we're excited to get you on. You're live with Tanner and Tommy, of course. Excellent. Good to hear your guys' voices again.

I would introduce you by your proper title, which I believe correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it is a guy on Instagram called Kaizen. Correct. Is that what you go by? Is a guy on Instagram called Kaizen? That is my formal nomenclature. Yes. A guy on Instagram called Kaizen. Yep. And for anyone that doesn't know, that was Garage Gym

Reviews dubbed you with that in credit of a recent video that they gave you. And sometimes, you know, nicknames are so catchy, they just stick. You don't get to pick them. Right. Yeah, you know, whatever. I was, like, honored to be on the list. I didn't want to, like, nitpick it. So, you know, it's close enough.

I mean. It's not wrongick it. It's close enough. It's not wrong. It's not wrong. I don't know what the word I would describe the way that I thought that that was. To me, you're more than just a guy on Instagram named Kaizen, I guess. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. Kaizen's not my name. Can't be shortchanging you. I guess. I appreciate that. Yeah. I appreciate that. You're also on YouTube. Kaizen's not my name. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can't be shortchanging you. And also, yeah, Kaizen isn't your name. Kaizen, though, as long as we're talking about it.

Tommy, are you familiar with Kaizen? Oh, boy. Kaizen, what's it? 5S, Toyota culture. Right. Good stuff. Right. Yeah, man.

Don't even get me started so i think kaizen uh the basic is what like continuous improvement is that kind of what kaizen means or what does it mean to you yeah yeah from my understanding yeah that is uh that's that's what it's me that that's what it means that's what it's always meant to me. And my family, like my wife and my children. My wife. Yeah, they are Japanese. And so that is kind of a double entendre for me. Okay. Yeah, man.

I mean, I'm not Japanese, but I'm sort of Japanese through marriage. So it counts both ways. Have you been to Japan? I have not. Apparently we have, we have family out there, but, uh, haven't been able to make it out yet. That'd be a really cool trip someday. For sure. Yeah. Where would you rather go? If you could only pick one, uh, Japan or Western Northeast, South Dakota. Well, hit me with the hard questions right away. I know, man.

So don't offend anybody in Japan. From Japan. Yeah. But obviously I would, I was born in the Midwest. I want to stay in the Midwest. I'll die in the Midwest. Kyle,

some of our first exposure to you you know what i would say some of our first exposure to you was yeah yeah for sure man my uh my diy drink spotter bro yeah so explain uh uh explain the diy drink spotter you had you caught the attention of all of us with that one yeah so um god i was like about a year and a half ago i'd say and um i was just starting to sort of get my bearings on youtube and instagram and like i just i i'm always like looking for things to build a lot of people like send me ideas and i'm i'm also looking at like you know what are things that exist that i could conceivably do in my garage and like there was all this buzz about the drink spotter and uh and i looked at it and i was like man i could probably knock that out so i did a really like shitty version with cheap pine and like you could see the screws.

I mean, I just threw it together really quick, but I posted it and I think you guys reposted it and said something to the effect of like knockoffs are coming out of the woodwork. Which is funny, right? Right. Yeah. I was like, hell yeah, I made it like pun intended yeah yeah so then like enough i got enough like uh you know positive recognition or positive reinforcement for that that i was like well if i'm gonna do it i should do it right so i went back through and I remade it. I did it with like nice wood and I did, you know, finer woodworking with it. Mine is made out of maple with some oak dowels and

nice finish, nice clear finish. It looks really good. I still have it in my gym. It is my secondary drink spotter though, because after I got one from you guys at the arnold year before last that's been my primary drink spotter yeah the what the second the nice one you made is a really nice wooden drink spotter though too like it was uh very well crafted above and beyond drink spotter um the uh i'm holding the original drink spotter. I've got one right here. You know, part of our criticism on that was just the price. And I mean, it's, it's made of stainless steel. It's laser cut. It's, um, it's just not that cheap. We're not making a ton of money on it. It's just, we're selling it at what we have to, uh, to be able to make money.

But part of the criticism, you know, or, or a comment that someone might've made on when, cause your video went pretty popular when you made that really nice one like it was a well-done video it was super cool and uh you know someone would have said maybe oh i'll take that over that overpriced one any day you know that might have been a comment and i'm like right yeah that that thing he made isn't cheap either you know like that's like uh like um that was just my comment, my thought on that in return. Right. That's also not cheap. So it wasn't, it wasn't cheap and it takes a lot of time, especially like expertise.

Right. Yeah. You got to have the tools. You have to have, you know, a garage or a workshop. So it's not necessarily accessible to anyone or everyone but i mean the one that i made like you guys liked it and you complimented me on it which was really nice and then at some point you were like hey we'd like to have one of those and i remember commenting back oh yeah i'll totally make you one. And I totally dropped the ball on that.

Like, I'm apologizing now because it's way too much work. Like, I'd rather just go buy you guys one. I don't want to make another one. Shit, man. I kind of forgot about that until now. Now I feel pissed all over again. Yeah, this will just be a gotcha thing. But, yeah.

Well, you got me but you do have a i mean we'll get into some of what you do but you do you uh have a lot of cool diy gym uh videos tutorials you know showing off what you've done but you have a background in woodworking right because you you do just like the drink spotter is a perfect example. You know, you did a pretty rudimentary one at first where, you know, a lot of people could do that, but you also have like a high level of skill too, where you can do some pretty, pretty, uh, uh, fine woodworking jobs too, when you want to. Right. I appreciate you saying that. Um, I would, I would still consider myself an amateur.

Like, I'm not doing cabinetry or, like, chairs or anything super complicated. Like, I can do a fancy small thing, but when it gets, you know, to, like, big stuff, I just, I'm, like, too intimidated to even try. So I would say I'm, like, in, uh, intermediate level as far as woodworking goes. That's why like 90% of the things that I make and post tutorials about, it's all like I'm using two by fours and two by sixes and just screwing shit together and throwing stain on it. Like I try to keep it simple for me, but also simple for like, you know, anybody who's interested

in building it. Like if it's overly complicated, they're probably not going to do it. That's sort of my excuse to keep it simple. That makes sense. What's your favorite? Do you have a personal favorite DIY project that you've done in the gym? Yeah. So in the gym, my favorite DIY that I've ever made is a cable belt squat.

And it's basically like, it's pretty similar. Like it's a DIY version of what like a rogue rhino is. Definitely not as nice, but definitely like a fraction of the price as well. So I basically. They don't give the rogue rhino away. Right. Yeah. That one costs, it's over two grand.

I think now you guys just got one. So it's like 2,500 bucks, maybe even almost or something. Yeah. So mine, I basically took a Titan wall mounted pulley tower. I got it on Craig's list for 150 bucks. And then I built a platform for it and then just sort of like connected the cables to the platform so all in mine might have been 200 250 bucks but it works like a charm and because it's i made it to my specifications it's small so it doesn't have a

huge footprint and like in my basement gym, that's kind of like, you know, that's a big deal. The more space something takes up, you know, the more important it has to be. And so it takes up a small amount of space. It pretty much only serves that one function, but I love just being able to like walk up to it, clip in and start belt squatting. You said basement gym, huh? So your, your home gym is a basement gym. There's, we have a lot of, in our, uh, mass dynamics discord community. We have a lot, there's a lot of discourse, a lot of back and forth on basement dwellers versus a garage dwellers.

And, uh, so you're a basement guy. Hell yeah, dude. Basement gym for life. I wouldn't do a garage gym unless I lived in a place that didn't have a basement. But as long as I have a basement, I will have a gym in a basement. It's so much better. I mean, I'm going to catch a lot of flack for that. But I mean, the main the main tenants are you can control the climate. That's huge, especially like you guys are a lot farther north than me. I'm in Indiana, but it still gets super cold in the wintertime and super hot in the summer. So being in a place that's climate controlled, that's the biggest perk.

But, I mean, in addition to that, like, you know, they're always having to, like, blow the dust and the leaves out of the gym. Like, it gets real messy. They've got to move equipment so cars can park in there. Like, ah, that's for the birds, man. I leave my shit set up in my basement, and it's always ready for me. And, you know, the climate's perfect. I don't know, man. The only downside is moving stuff down to the basement. And like, there's

some equipment that I just can't buy or won't mess with because I can't get it down my stairs. But aside from that, like, it's pretty perfect. What's been the hardest thing for you to move into the basement? Power racks. I have a, I have, so I have a rep Omni six post power rack. a rep omni six post power rack and that was a beast. And everything I do by myself, like I have a 15 year old son, but he doesn't have any interest in helping me. So I generally tend to do all this stuff by myself. So that was rough. I have a functional trainer in my basement. That was pretty difficult to get down. The other stuff hasn't been too bad. There was a GHD I bought on the used marketplace one time. Was it a GHD or a GHR? It was a GHB.

That's what it was. Okay, okay. It was a GHB. So anyway, I bought it That's what it was. Okay. Okay. It was a GHB. Yeah. So anyway, I bought it. I brought it home. I took it apart. I loaded it like I have to go through my garage to get to my basement,

and it was too wide to fit down my stairwell, and I couldn't get it into my basement, and I had to take it back outside, assemble it, take pictures of it, and sell it because I couldn't get it down. So that was a bummer. That was probably the biggest bummer. But everything else is sort of like now I have a good gauge of like whether or not I'll be able to get it down. And so like I can't mess with those like non-motorized treadmills, squat max.

I can't get a squat max down to my basement or I don't think I have enough clearance. Uh, but aside from that, I mean, I can, I can get, I got a decent amount of stuff in my basement. You said you have an outdoor rack too, don't you? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I live in Indiana. Okay. So did it get covered in snow and stuff? Did it, I live in Indiana. Okay. So did it get covered in snow and stuff? How did it weather the winter?

Yeah. So that was part of the planning. I used cedar. So cedar is naturally rot resistant. Smells good, too. It does. It smells really good. And I used rough sawn cedar, so it's not sanded or milled on the sides.

It's rough. so it looks beautiful and uh it's you know it's made to handle the weather so that's sort of part of the plan like i built the outdoor power rack i had a bunch of naysayers telling me you know it's going to fall apart in a year or whatever like i'm just i'm just going to let it sit and see what happens and you know periodically use it do you know drop tests on it and stuff to see how it holds. But, I mean, it's been one winter now, and it looks fine. It's still solid, and I don't know. I think it'll last at least until I move. Yeah, so you mentioned your favorite DIY project has been the belt squat that you set up.

What would you say the internet's favorite DIY project of yours has been? What have you seen? What stuff that you've done has the following or the algorithm liked the best and the people liked the best? So that's kind of a couple different questions like what has the algorithm liked the most in terms of like instagram and youtube the algorithm really likes a story and so like when i made when i've made products and i essentially kind of try to tell it like a rags to riches story like i i had a wooden thing and i sent it to this company and they liked it and they wanted to make it and now it's an actual product like that storyline plays really

well with like you know the american dream you know people identify with that so even if they're not in the the weightlifting or home gym community like those do really well in the algorithm um the actually to be honest the thing that has done the most, it's gotten like 20 million views between all the social platforms, is just me cleaning a weight plate, oddly enough. Basically. In your washing machine? Yeah, in the dishwasher with some very specific weight cleaning dishwashing soap and

i have a gopro mounted inside so it's pretty sick but uh no it's actually so like i i've been posting weight cleaning videos and nothing really happened nobody really cared but i started getting all these comments like oh now it weighs a pound less because you clean a pound of rust off. And some people were like, no, it's a 40 pound plate instead of a 45. I was like, this is so dumb. I'm going to make a video where I weigh it while it's rusty. And then I weigh it after it's cleaned. That video has gotten over 20 million views. And I've tried to replicate it with other videos that have done okay, but nothing has popped like that one. That was crazy.

You caught lightning in a bottle, so to speak, huh? Yeah. What's funny is it has very little to do with building DIY equipment, so I feel like all of the subscribers or the followers that I get from that may be disappointed by like my regular content, but I don't know. What are you going to do? I try,

I try to make followup videos and they don't pop off as hard. And so it's like, whatever, just keep doing my thing. I feel fortunate to have, you know, uh, gotten that kind of love from the algorithm in the first place.

Well, you've really grown your following pretty significantly over a relatively short amount of time too, haven't you? You know, but YouTube, Instagram, everything else that you use,

like it seems like it's gotten a lot of traction and people really enjoy it. It's, I, I feel like super stoked about that. Um, yeah, I,

I think part of it is just sort of posting the right stuff at the right time. And like that particular video, I wasn't making it thinking like, yeah, I'm going to get, God, I think on YouTube, I think it probably gained me like 15,000 new subscribers just from one 45 second video. So that wasn't my goal you always hope that something like that will happen but um yeah i feel like i've just been sort of fortunate so i went to school i graduated from university or from college with a degree in radio television and film and that was like 20 years ago, and I never used the degree, but I always sort of like hung on to the foundations of storytelling and, you know, getting good shots and good lighting and good sound and everything.

So when I started making YouTube videos and Instagram videos, I was applying all these foundations to the videos I was making. So I feel like that's probably helped me more than, um, I mean, it's, it's probably been, you know, part, part of it has been that part of it has been the algorithm. Part of it has been, I've just been extremely lucky. And, uh, the end result is, yeah, it's, it's been going pretty well. I'm pretty happy about it. Yeah, it's been going really well.

That's cool. It's kind of almost like cheating though. It's like a power lifter that's on steroids. You've had this hidden power. Yeah, like you have this actual education in some of that where I don't think that that's fair. Well, if it makes you feel any better.

So I graduated from college in 2005, and then I started my YouTube channel in 2021. And so for that, whatever that was, that was a very large chunk of time. Nothing changed really in that long time. Yeah, no, technology, a very large chunk of time. Nothing changed really in that. Yeah. No, the technology, the internet, nothing changed there. And for all we know, you were just working behind the scenes that entire time. For the whole time I was like paying my student loan bills, just thinking like, God damn it.

Like why didn't I study business or why didn't I study, you know, in computer engineering or something like something that would actually have a future. And, and, you know, in computer engineering or something like something that would actually have a future. And, and, you know, I've been like bitter about it for most of my adult life. And then finally, you know, the world changed enough to where like, I can actually make videos and people want to watch them. And I'm like, I feel vindicated. It's like, ah, finally, them and I'm like I feel vindicated it's like finally what are you know now my parents are proud of me and yeah yeah so I mean prior to prior to doing all this I was woodworking and I was doing I was just like selling small uh decorative stuff on Etsy and Amazon. And I was on Instagram, but I wasn't doing like tutorials or anything. So it really, it wasn't going anywhere. I think I had like 1500 followers on Instagram when I started

doing the Kaizen stuff instead when I pivoted. And then once I started doing that, it started growing pretty quickly. And I realized like, I think this is my true calling. Like this is what I've been waiting around almost 20 years to do. And it's all sort of clicked together. When you were selling on Etsy and stuff, were you selling a handcrafted live, laugh, love signs? No. Did you sell any live, laugh, love signs?

I sold some corny shit, but I didn't sell Live, Laugh, Love, man. I would never. Oh, man. That hurts. That hurts. Just checking. No, I did all sorts of stuff. The thing that popped off in that time in that time was like bracelet displays and necklace displays,

like jewelry displays that stores could use in their stores to display jewelry, which is totally not like something I'm passionate about. But it was sort of this the thing where I was like I saw an opportunity in the market. I am a creative person, so I can come up with some designs, and people like them. And so it was going well, but I was getting pretty burned out just on the customer service aspect of Etsy and Amazon. And I felt like I was working really, really hard

and getting paid nothing. Amazon takes so much money from what you sell on there. Um, that I was getting really burned out on it. Right. Yeah. I mean, there was one year that I did a hundred thousand in revenue,

like on my own, like a hundred thousand in sales and 30,000 of that went to Amazon. It was just fucking crazy dude yeah that's a lot yeah uh you do a i like this thing you'll do like um you even brought it up here you know the troll comments are like a hater comment almost maybe you'll get a comment on something that just says like you someone builds this elaborate uh wooden leg press and it's like hey just go to a just go to a commercial gym or what you know like stuff like that i like it when you take those videos and you you kind of use those comments and then you're not like necessarily throwing it back

in their face even but it's just like uh hey here's maybe why someone wouldn't do that or like here's why this makes sense for that person. And I just liked those videos because I always like, we have a history of liking to use a troll comments to our advantage whenever possible too. And I think that's a fun way to do it. But what are some of the troll comments that you get frequently or something that stick out to you? So I always,

always get comments about my body like i'm not big enough i'm not strong enough i'd be interested in watching this video if you were a bigger dude or if you're buff or if your body was better just you know like you have a lot of equipment and you're a tiny guy like okay bro i get it like bro, I get it. Like, it takes a while. I've been working out for four years. I'm pretty proud of that. I didn't start until I was in my late 30s. You know, making progress.

Rome wasn't built in a day either, was it? Right. Yeah, I did a video about that because it's like, God damn, shut up. I know. But I basically, I made the analogy that like, God damn, shut up. I know. But I basically, I made the analogy that like, you know, just because someone buys equipment, they don't automatically get all puffed up and huge.

Just like if you buy a really nice guitar, it doesn't make you a virtuoso. Like it takes years and years of training and practice before you start to see results. And so like expecting immediate results is probably a big reason why a lot of people get burned out. Like they're, you know, three months in, six months in, this is really hard and I'm not seeing anything. And all I see on Instagram are these people that tell me it's so easy and it's not. I'm just going to go, you know, sit on my couch and eat ice cream or whatever like i feel like there's a bigger message there and it's not like it's a personal attack to me but

it's more like i really want to be in a place where i'm encouraging people and you know it's giving them a realistic expectation and so i don't know that that one i try not to let it bother me because it happens so often but god damn man it's like every day um let's see another one i hear of is that uh like uh uh people are always always saying like why would you build equipment when you can just go to a gym like you know that the one that you were referencing is uh is a pretty frequent comment and it's like surprisingly and i think most most people would be surprised by this but my instagram account my followers only 35 of them are from the u.s the rest of the people are from different parts of the world, and like South America, Central America, India, Africa, those are places that don't have the

ability to just like order gym equipment into their house, and they also don't have local gyms that they go to. So my account is like a reference for them, for people who are interested in getting healthy and getting fit fit and they don't have access to these things. They can conceivably build their own and I'm going to help them do it. But you know, like we're in our bubbles. It's,

it's kind of hard to see outside of that sometimes. Oh yeah. Everyone has to be in the same situation as me. You're telling me there's a world outside of South Dakota? What? I don't believe that. Right. I don't believe that for a second. Okay.

Are you all geared up and ready for Home Gym Con? I am not. I have no idea. Well, actually, I did talk to Jake today, so I have some sort of idea on what I'm doing. I don't know if I'm going to have like a DIY booth or if I'm just like cruising around. I'm going to bring some DIYs. I'm going to bring some of the stuff that I've made or collaborated on and just kind of like show up and see what happens.

I don't know. Jake is so busy with everything that I've sort of just like taken a backseat and I'm like, you have a lot of other fires to put out before you need to worry about like where the DIY stuff goes. So like I get it. We'll just figure it out. So I'm going to cruise out on Friday with like a handful of things and just sort of see what happens, but I'm excited.

It's going to be a lot of fun. This is now, this is just spitballing idea here that take from what you want, but you know, DIY, you bring a variety of power saws you know table saw miter saw planers let everyone try try stuff out at your booth you know like have them yeah have them uh give them a little crash course have them put push some uh push some small boards through the table saw yeah pilot two by four4s, just anything could happen. With a bunch of slow-mo cameras just all around the table saw

so we can see the limbs cut off in slow-mo, that would just be amazing. I mean, that shit would pop off in the algorithm for sure. Oh, man. Some of these insurance might not like it. That goes good the next year you bring a welder

and you just keep up in it. Yeah, somebody's insurance might not like it that goes good the next year you bring a welder and you just keep upping it yeah the tools just keep getting crazier every year and the injuries oh man what's the most dangerous piece of woodworking equipment

like in existence oh just that you I don't know in your opinion something that you use or have used that you just think, yeah, that's dangerous. So the radial arm saw, I don't know if you guys know what that is. I remember a little shop class radial arm saw we had. Yeah, so those are sketchy because the blade is never covered up.

It's never tucked away. It's just out all the time and it slides back and forth so yeah a lot of injuries on the radial arm so i honestly use my table saw sparingly because i'm so afraid of chopping off a finger um so i would put the table saw up there unless you have like a few grand for a saw stop which is the kind that like stops if you put your finger on the blade or you know it's it's got a safety mechanism built in so you don't cut off limbs but aside from that table saws are sketchy as hell man yeah uh a true story in shop class in high school i've probably talked about this on the podcast before have i i don't think

you have you told me at the end of this year and i'd never heard this story before i um it was me and my good friend uh and we were we were cutting some stuff on the table saw he was pushing something through and i was uh uh catching it on the back side for him as a really small boards like we're using the table saw for something that you probably should use something else for it honestly right but do you think he was using a pusher stick even um if that's the right terminology but sure he uh chopped off two of his fingers like one of them was more like he shaved off the tip you know there wasn't necessarily like a piece somewhere else but the one there was legitimately a piece of finger on the floor that we had to get and uh it was horrific to you know

it was like uh it was quite a horrifying experience the worst thing that could ever happen i've never seen someone as white in the face as he was at that point in time where and like uh you know in high school when you're kind of like goofing around with your buddies and joking around it really was quite the buzzkill for a quite a period of time there i am deathly afraid of that happening like i think i think part of making sure that i'm being safe is like the fear that constant fear in the back of my head is what like keeps me paying attention and i just i honestly like i have a nice table saw but i avoid using it unless like i absolutely have to if there's another way for me to do this particular cut and it will be just as accurate i will do it with something other than the table saw because

it just freaks me out the other ones aren't so bad like i've had i've gotten plenty of like nicks and scrapes and cuts and smash fingers and all that. Like I'm good with all that. I don't want to lose a part of my finger. It is so true. And that, that specific incident has, cause I do quite a bit of a home, you know, DIY home remodeling projects, you know know use a miter saw all the time and skill saws and stuff like that and i never do anything without thinking of that and you know like of double thinking of the safety uh issue or like uh even just like on a skill saw adjusting the blade so it doesn't need to be deeper than you know so it's not excessively deep on something i'm cutting just to like reduce the um because

yeah that would be that would suck dude so my wife works in the emergency room and she uh she comes across people cutting off limbs all the time that's like you know her bread and butter and one of the things that she hears most often is that like, and it'll be like an old dude who's been woodworking for like 20 years, 30 years, whatever. And he just like got complacent and forgot. And, you know, there it goes. And it will happen that fast and that easily. And so like, that's another big reason why it's always just like, I have to pay attention. It's very important. Like everything I'm doing could have lifelong consequences. Um, and you know, so hearing stories from her sort of like keeps that fresh in my mind.

Yeah. But when you're old, you've gotten your, your use out of your fingers. You've had your fun, Yeah, but when you're old, you've gotten your use out of your fingers. You've had your fun, right? That's true, man. Anything over 50, you're basically on borrowed time anyway. Yeah, I guess you could lose a finger too. Do you really need 10 of them? Nah, that's overkill, man.

Have you been? Oh, go ahead. No, you go ahead ahead it's your podcast uh speaking of podcast you've done a little podcasting of your own also correct right yes sir i host the do you even lit bro podcast aptly named because that's what people fucking ask me the most out of every other question. Now, did you actually secretly go to podcast school as well in 2005? And we don't know about that. Yes, dude.

So what's crazy is before podcasts were a thing, they didn't even know. They were just like, there might be this thing called podcasts that are popular in 10 years so you know took some classes and studied up real good and that was part of my degree so my degree was actually in radio television and film so it actually it covered everything covered radio radio shit so that that sort of has some crossover and then you know television and film so i would say technically i got a little bit of training on it but it has been quite the learning curve man i mean i'm sure you guys can relate but i started so matt and i started the podcast with like these

these huge ambitions right yes yes forgraf, right? Yes, yes. For the listeners at home, Matthew Pendergraf and I started this podcast. Jake had us on his podcast a handful of times and then was like, would you guys be interested in doing your own? Matt and I were like, hell yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun. We had these grandiose ideas. We were going to do some fake ads and it was going to be like sketch comedy and just hilarious and we ended up probably spending 40 hours on the first episode and then had like 20 listeners and we're like heartbroken like what how did this happen this was so good we put so much

time into it and sort of have been dialing it back ever since Matt dialed it back so much he's no longer doing the podcast so it's just me now but we I don't know if you guys are familiar with nice like mike on instagram but uh he's another diy guy and he's been on the garage zoom experiment podcast a bunch super awesome dude right now he's filling in in that uh that co-host or uh you know whatever or whatever, that position of secondary host. And then if things go well and we dive, then he's gonna be filling in permanently. So it's a good trajectory,

but man, it has been quite the learning curve. Yeah. Yeah, content in general, Tanner and I talk about it all the time. It's, I mean, there is a lot of different ways and approaches, but it all the time. I mean, there is a lot of different ways and approaches, but it feels like you're better off just quantity over quality, and then you can kind of see what sticks,

and then decide to start pumping more time into it once you know something's working, rather than make that enormous investment and then just hope for the best. Yeah, yeah. And being a new medium that I wasn't on, like it, it's, it's only natural that it's going to take a while to build up that audience. I just had the assumption that there would be a lot more carryover from my YouTube following and Instagram following that,

like, I thought it would pick up a lot faster and it really hasn't like it's it's it's a grind so um yeah I'm in it for the long haul though I think it's really fun and I think it's it's interesting to show a different side that's like less polished and more conversational like the conversation we're having. I think it's a lot more interesting. So I think there's a lot of potential for it. It's actually funny. That's a good point, how siloed the different things can be. You know, we definitely have experienced that before where it's like, you know, YouTube for us.

We've got great traction on the podcast, good traction on Instagram, and we hadn't really worked on our YouTube presence that much until up and recently. But it's not automatic. It's not like, hey, you have these people in these other areas, they're just going to come right on over. They'll all just funnel right over. Right.

It does not work that way at all. Yeah. It's like you actually have to put time and energy into each one and that like to grow on just one of them takes a lot of time and energy and so like the idea that you have to put that much time and energy into each one to grow them each individually it's just like it's crazy but it's a biatch right yeah there's in the venn diagram of places people find your content there's not a whole lot of overlap like you would think there would be more but there's not yep true that uh we've got this special game we like to play with every guest that we have on

it's called overrated underrated oh i can't wait. We have a very special set of topics for the guy from Instagram named Kaizen or something. Cool. That was great. Appreciate it. That we handpicked for you. Now, you actually find we did a little bit more research than just referring you to as that. So we do have a special set of topics that are just for you. So we'll fire them off to you. It's your job just to decide if each one is overrated or underrated. You have your druthers to elaborate

on each one as much as little or as little as you'd like. Most important thing to remember is you can't ride the line. You have to ultimately decide if each one is overrated or underrated. Fair enough. I can do that. Okay. So topic number one, overrated or underrated American traditional tattoos. Oh man. Underrated bro. Like it's, it's a classic for a reason.

Thick lines, solid color. They're, they're put in the skin and they last decades. That's why tattoos that were done back in the 40s and 50s are still legible today because it was done in American traditional style. I have other styles tattooed on my body as well, but American traditional, in my opinion, is like one of the top ways to do tattoo art. Have they gone through a bit of a resurgence in the last several years here? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it's largely due to social media, like everything that's gotten a resurgence.

And it seems like there are just a bunch of amazing tattooers that are just coming up right now that are learning the American traditional style that are just like crushing it so hard. So I moved to Indianapolis about four years ago. And when I moved to Indian Indianapolis COVID hit and I was super bored and so I just started looking up tattooers and I started getting tattooed like once a month and there were so many really amazing American traditional tattoo artists here that like I was able to go to somebody different almost every month and get tattooed by like just these amazing tattooers. And then I'm looking around and like on Instagram, they're just like they're everywhere.

And there are small cities and big cities. It's pretty amazing. So, yeah, definitely underrated in my opinion. Would you say, I don't know if this is correct or not. This is just something I'm saying right now and you tell me because you'll have a better opinion american traditional there's obviously a look of each individual tattoo you know i know what that look is uh of american traditional but is part of american traditional also that the collection of tattoos there's no need for them to be uh closely related to each other in any way.

And it doesn't need to be, whereas a different style of tattoo where it's all like very connected. And I mean, is that, do you know what I'm saying there? Is that accurate or not? So what's cool about American traditional is that you can have a bunch of different pieces that aren't related to each other and they can make a sleeve and then you fill in the gaps with like dots and stars which is like a pretty traditional American traditional tattoo sleeve or leg sleeve or whatever but um you can also like tattooers can also design an american traditional tattoo sleeve that's all one concept so it can go either way whereas like i mean other tattoo styles you can still

sort of like piecework them together to make a sleeve out of a bunch of random stuff but the dots and stars and like the style of american traditional really ties everything in well together where that's not necessarily the case for other stuff japanese classical japanese is i would say it's right up there because they do have like common themes and so you can have a bunch of random like japanese style pieces on a limb and then it can get tied together with like waves or smoke or whatever. But yeah, like some of the newer stuff like the it just it really depends on on the tattoo style, I guess. But I would say no, Tanner. Yeah, that was incorrect.

OK, that's good. That's good. That's educational. What percentage of your body would you say is tattooed? Ooh. I would say, does my face count? I think your face counts because a lot of people, that's not uncommon to have face tattoos, so I think that that counts. a lot of people, you know, that's not uncommon to have face tattoos. So I think that that counts. I would say about 75%. Okay.

So I don't have my right leg tattooed top to bottom. I'm saving that. It will eventually be tattooed. I don't have my face. I don't have my butt cheeks. I don't have my armpits. And I don't have my neck. But I think aside from that...

You're practically a blank canvas. Obviously, yeah. Obviously not my genitalia either. But yeah, aside from that, yeah, I'm pretty well covered. Like both arms, legs, front, like my chest, my belly, my back, my left leg almost entirely would would you go neck face like would you creep it up there no no i'll be so a big reason why i've slowed down is because i'm running out of space but i don't want to stop getting tattooed like ever so i really need to space out like these next few areas that i have i need to make them last for the next 20 or 30 years because it i don't know man it's it's it's

fun it's nice it's like it's exciting to have like interesting pieces of artwork. I go through phases where I get like really into getting tattooed for like two years and then I'll stop for a couple years and then I'll go back to it. So each time I sort of like binge tattoo, the tattoos that I get are all sort of things that were going on during that part of my life or like, you know, are sort of a reflection of what was happening. So it's really interesting and I want to be able to carry on that tradition into my, you know, 50s, 60s, 70s, as long as I have on this planet. Absolutely. Okay.

Overrated or underrated Apple geniuses. Oh, oh man. You guys did some homework didn't you that's that's wild you looked at my linkedin linkedin for the win linkedin for the win so i don't know what's going on at apple now it's been quite a few years since I left. At the time, it was like the top of the food chain. So like when I started at Apple, a genius, I was, oh man, 15 and 16. And then I quit in 16. So like the way it goes at the Apple retail store, like geniuses are like the top of the food chain. Like managers are technically higher, but managers, nobody likes them. Everybody likes the geniuses cause they're like so smart and everything.

So everybody's goal is to become a genius. So you start at the very, very bottom and you slowly work your way up. So I worked my way up and I got to the point of being a genius and I went to training in Cupertino, California. It was super amazing. They paid for the whole trip. Awesome. I get back and being a genius fucking sucks.

It's like the worst job in the store. Everybody's pissed off like people are coming in with cracked computers or i dropped my computer in the lake and why can't you fix it i need all my pictures like it's the worst it's the worst job everybody's in a bad mood all the geniuses are in a bad mood there's like a room where the geniuses like hang out and fix computers and they're just like hanging out bitching the whole time it was awful it was truly awful like i got to that point and i don't even know if i did it for two full years before i quit yeah so uh that's really funny to hear because so i have been using apple computers since 2007 and i use one currently all day every day i i do consider myself a bit of an apple guy i have

all types of apple and mac products and everything and my only experience ever at like getting help at an apple store actually was and i don't know if you have any experience with this the butterfly keyboard oh yeah and i'm aware that whole traumatic issue that's my only experience ever and they're like yeah this is about all we can do and they switched out some keys and it helped for a little bit but in i'm closing in on what 18 years of using an apple keyboard 17 or 17 years of using apple products and that's my only like apple genius experience ever so it is funny to hear that there is that whole other side of just like the everyman coming in wanting their pictures off of their broken computer dude it's crazy. So for a short amount of time,

I worked in Beverly Hills at the Beverly Hills Apple Store with the most entitled people ever. I saw a female customer spit in the face of a male employee. Yes, crazy, just crazy. People get wild when it's their computer because it's like oh this is my life this is all my pictures this is everything it's so important and like it's life or death to them to you it's like oh fucking another person like forgot to pack up their shit i know they they don't have it and they're mad at me because i can't get it but oh man it was just it was a

really stressful job and you have to like be able to take people yelling at you a lot and like you're not allowed to be mad back or like be defensive or whatever you just got to be like i'm sorry man that totally sucks like hopefully we can fix it but we might not be able to and and uh yeah it was just rough dude um i enjoyed my other time at apple like before i became a genius i had a great time once i became a genius it was like oh man that's the worst i had to get out of there okay uh so i didn't answer your question um In terms of underrated, overrated, like if, you know, what they are, they're really helpful. And the role is important. Like as a consumer, I like to know that there's a place that I can take my thing and an actual human being is going to be able to help me or walk me through it or whatever.

So like for that aspect, it's really important. I would say it's underrated. But being a genius, way overrated, man. I would not recommend it. You used your druthers well there. Yeah. Overrated or underrated? Dovetail joints.

Ooh, way overrated, man. I would never. I have never. I will never. Too much work, man. Way too much work. I'm sure I'm going to catch some shit from the woodworking community.

So, like, I'm ready for it. But, man, it's just like, it looks pretty, and I totally appreciate people who do things for the sake of aesthetics but like i would never take the time to do that way too much work is that like the main point of them is that they are a very uh attractive looking joint i mean is that the they're also very secure so there are if you glue them there are a lot of glue connection points um even without glue they're super super uh strong joints but man i mean i'll take a butt

joint any day you know what i'm saying yeah yeah right mean, if I really want a stronger joint, I'll do a lap joint. But, yeah, I never do dovetail. Mark my words, never. Never. All right, last one here, and we usually save the best for last, so buckle in, overrated or underrated, Trader Joe's. Oh, man. Man, your team over there, your research team is killing me, man.

Full staff. So good. So good. I have an interesting story about Trader Joe's where I almost died while I was working for them. We heard the parking lots can be dangerous at Trader Joe's. Yeah, yeah. So it's, oh man, it's, I hate to, I don't want to ride the line, but as a non-Trader Joe's employee, I love it.

It's great. I love shopping there. Some of my favorite foods, they have really good protein bars. If you guys have ever had the Bear Bell bars, they are so delicious and so moderately priced. Very, very good. As an employee, I worked there for a good probably like seven or eight years and ended my tenure nearly dying while i was working um i was unloading a delivery truck in the parking lot and uh like the way trader joe's are situated or at least how they were before this happened is that the the loading truck or the the delivery truck would park in the parking lot and you would load through the

back door there wasn't like a separate loading dock and i was unloading pallets and there was a car pulling out didn't see me and just like struck me from behind so i essentially got uh smashed between the pallet jack and the car um almost died could very well have died i i happened to survive and uh trader joe's changed their loading policy after that to now they don't have deliveries during store hours and that's worldwide and that is because of me ladies and gentlemen because uh because i almost died. Yeah, that was pretty traumatic, dude. I still have. I'm technically 40% disabled for life because of that because it damaged my small intestine.

I had some scar tissue form inside of my small intestine that had to be cut out. The first surgery didn't take, and I had bowel leakage and almost died from that. and I had bowel leakage and almost died from that. Then I had another surgery. All in all, I had 19 inches of small intestine removed. My digestion is just screwed for the rest of my life. And I mean, I count my lucky stars. I wasn't paralyzed. I very well could have gotten my back broken through that experience. But yeah, as an employee, I would say it was an overrated experience.

And as a customer, I love it, man. And that, listeners, is why you always stay safe and use a drink spotter. Damn right. Drink spotter would have saved my ass in that situation, man. It's kind of crazy that they changed corporate-wide policy permanently. You know, that shows something was serious, like that they were doing something that they needed

to make a correction there. So we don't have to get too deep in the weeds about it, but there was a whole lawsuit and all that stuff, and the store manager at the time told the attorneys or whatever in his deposition that he knew it was a dangerous situation, and he had actually reported it to corporate that this this is a is an untenable situation like somebody's going to get hurt because there's a truck parked here blocking traffic and cars are having to go around the truck like somebody's going to get hurt and he he made this report like months before this happened to me.

So, you know, they knew it was a thing. They knew it could possibly happen. They didn't want to change their operation hours or delivery hours to happen like outside of store hours to avoid this until after I got hurt. And then it was like, oh, yeah, we'll fix it. No problem. And it was like, Oh yeah, we'll fix it. No problem. And it was like immediately changed. And now trucks are only coming to deliver before the store opens or after the store closes. So there's no like customer traffic through the parking lot while that's happening. It's also why they're changing the name of the store to Trader Kyle's.

Damn right, man. Part of that royalty. No, man. Good news, it looks like you passed over under, which is what you want to do. Yes, that's what I wanted. Thanks, man. That's exciting. Update your resume to include that on it now.

Update your LinkedIn profile. Put that on my LinkedIn. Yep, passed over overrated underrated no awesome we this was really good I think people are going to really enjoy this episode you've got a lot of cool things going we're going to keep following along good

luck at home gym con we hope for the best for you and everyone else there and be safe too when you're giving everyone all those power tools safety first uh i would also say you know the new drink spotter light uh does adhere to metal metallic surfaces with a rare earth magnet so you just try and make a rare earth magnet out of wood kyle just try it damn it damn it yeah man i thought I had it up until I heard that.

Shit. Awesome. No, we do really appreciate you coming on. This is a lot of fun. All right. Yeah, thank you, fellas, for inviting me, and it was good to see you at the Arnold. I look forward to seeing you again sometime in the near future, wherever that may be. Yeah, and where does everyone find YouTube, Instagram, podcast?

What's the handles on everything? Okay, yeah. The handles on everything is KaizenDIYGym, and that is spelled K-A-I-Z-E-N-D-I-Y-G-Y-M. There you go. Awesome. Thanks, Kyle. Thanks, Kyle. All right. Thanks, guys. See you. There you go. Awesome. Thanks, Kyle. Thanks, Kyle.

Thanks, guys. See you later. Bye. Trader Joe's Cool Beans. Just for Kyle. Trader Kyle's, am I right? Man man that's a wild story that's crazy that is kyle's got a we didn't you know one thing we didn't even touch on just for the sake of time but kyle also toured with a band for many years he was a songwriter a backup singer uh and what the hell yeah so that was another thing we didn't even get a man of

10 000 talents that's what i like the most interesting man uh is kyle from kaizen diy gym he's been around the block he's seen a thing or two hasn't he yeah does he like 70 years old how has he done all these things everyone making fun of him online for not being fit but turns out he's actually 90 like you try and look like that when you're 90 you you try and look that good then when you've lived an entire life and a half keep your tattoos looking that fresh yeah been on there for damn near a century yeah damn uh good stuff from Big Kyle. We've got a sack segment. I think we should talk about our sack segment.

This is going to be a fun one this week. Let's tear this thing open. Yeah. Let's rip on into this thing. Speaking of supporting members, this is actually a sack courtesy of a Masonomics supporting member. I've got a shirt here for you that I'll have to get to you, but it's from Big Bremmy. Ah, nice. And it's Bremmy Strong, I think is his IG handle.

And it's gym equipment made in America. Bremmy Strong. Not just strong. It's Breremi Strong. I like it. So he sent us each a tee here that we've got. I'll get you one of those. Sent us some of his metallic stickers.

Very nice. Which it pops with the metallic. But that's all just a precursor to the. There's more? But wait, there's more. I, in this case, definitively saved the best and the heaviest for last. There's two of these in this box right here, but this is just one of them. This is the custom-made Bremmy Strong Sandwich J-Hooks with one-inch pin hardware.

So this will fit on all of our rogue racks at the gym. This is the sandwich J-cup style, his custom ones, a very thick sandwich J-cup. That is beefy. There's basically like three of these plastic pieces. I don't know if that's U-H-A-M-W-V, whatever all the syllables or all the consonants are that go into that. But it's also got that protective plastic lining on all, I guess,

I'm not holding it up, showing it to adjust this, all sizes. Yeah, all sides. But the coolest part to me is the custom part, which is this metal laser cut Massanomics logo on the side of it. I haven't used these at the gym. I saved opening these just for tonight yeah so we'll get this at the get these put up at the gym and maybe i think we'll even do i'll even get together a little youtube video on these right yeah that is beefy

i'm i'm impressed this is heavy yeah it's like a 15 pound 10 i mean it's i believe it yeah i'm excited to get these uh get these on there and start trying on my people are going to love this you know we've got a lot of custom mass stuff in there and these are going to look pretty sweet and we've got a lot of we're getting to have a few variety of j cups so we have good comparison of uh you know actually you got the ghost ones these ones the the rogue ones. The several rogue pairs and stuff. So we got some comparison to see how we like it.

But they look awesome. Yeah. Obviously. Yes, they do. And they seem to be very well made. So we'll get those tried out. But I was excited about getting those, of course, from Big Remy Strong. So check them out.

And that's a big big andy uh supporting member and he's uh you know one man show pumping out stuff on his own check it out see if he's got some stuff he might be interested in uh good dude we recommend him so that was our sack segment. What do we got? A update on the crew cast. Is there anything there? Well,

have we talked? Well, yeah. Okay. I have not been able to pay much attention to the discord like the last week or so. Is there something actually going on with that? No,

I haven't kept up here. They've got a meeting. I think tomorrow night. Okay. And meeting like a, this is like a brainstorming meeting or is this a recorded? No, it's think, tomorrow night. Okay. And meeting like a brainstorming meeting, or is this a recorded episode? No, it's not a recording session. Okay.

There's been no recording yet of the crew cast, you know, by crew, for crew, but they are working on it. So if you're listening to this and you're a supporting member and you haven't been following along, hop on the Discord. There's a special thread on there. It's crew cast crew cast is a special thread where they're all talking and uh i'm sure they the ones that are kind of leading the charge would love love to have more involved in that and then uh i was gonna ask you we didn't talk about it last time oh okay actually are you gonna talk about this thing that's written here yeah okay before we do that because i will forget you were recently at a concert too

and i gotta ask you that that's true you actually made it it was debate as to whether you're going to make it or not and then i see a snapchat of you there yeah and uh um we can talk about this because kyle said the secret word. Uh, what did he say? Uh, God, he said something that reminded me of the red hot chili peppers when he was talking there. And now I can't remember what song title he used.

Oh, did he say Californication? That was it. No. Um, I got to think here for a second. Uh, what was it? Oh tissue oh yeah there you go he said scar tissue and it made me think of it too yeah he said he said the magic word scar tissue yeah um

so yeah i went to fargo sunny uh fargo north dakota didn't know if we're gonna make it because that was right funny a week ago just a week ago. Just a week ago now it was a horrible blizzard and now it's sunny and nice and everything's back to normal kind of, but I didn't know if we're going to make it. Kind of were able to make it at the last minute. Literally like we got pulled into Fargo

and it was time to go to, it was at the Fargo Dome. The Fargo Dome normally holds about 20,000. It's where the NDSU Bison play for anyone that doesn't know you're saying 20 000 for football for football yeah but it was full of chairs on the floor and we got there for the first opener which was king princess wasn't very was not my cup of tea was not uh nothing to nothing to write home about. And we were on the floor. So there's tons of seating on the floor, you know, chairs on the floor also. And I'm like,

damn, if this thing filled up, there's going to be like 30,000 people in here. But when we were at that, we got there for the opener and I'm like, oh, we're going to have tons of room to spread out. Thank God too, because these chairs are so close together like you know i need a we can move up even and get into a better spot and you know we'll be we'll be great and then uh the next uh was the strokes oh really open and they were good yeah um the strokes were like yeah the top of those uh they were one of the best of those bands in like the early aughts or the early, whenever that was, I thought I love the strokes are so good.

They were good. And as the strokes were going, I'm like, okay, we're filling up a little bit in here. And then we went to go, you know, get some brewskis or go to the bathroom,

that sort of thing. And there's a long layover between the, between the two as they're uh as the chili peppers are getting getting ready getting their stage ready and um we're over in the bathroom area and uh what's his name the guitar player i can't think of the guitar player john frusciante or flea no not flea uh john frusciante yeah uh and he plays just like the little riff of under the bridge you know like he plays that and that's apparently like the five minute warning because then everyone like runs back to their chair you know like it's still

pitch dark up there but you just hear uh-huh hear that and everyone goes nuts and by the time we got back there there i don't think there was an open place to sit in the entire building i was gonna be shocked if you said there was i was gonna be shocked if you said there was any open spots in there oh god i've would i didn't realize how many people were going to be there and the way the seating this floor seating works you and i if there was five of us in succession. Yeah, no one can see. Yeah. Well, you can't even stand. Oh, really?

Because they were that close? Well, you and I couldn't both stand directly facing forward. Like, we would be, like, one of us has to choose to stand in front of the other or behind the other. Or everyone has to stand at a 45-degree angle. Yeah. Because literally the chairs are so close together and like i that was the part that i did not like i'm like i physically like not even saying like i'm huge or something like that like just normal if you're 200 pounds like a row of five 200 pound people could not stand there like without literally being on top of each other

yeah i get what you're saying yeah and when there's a lot of people you you know like you're you know we're in a group of two is me and my wife so then we're surrounded by other people and stuff i just i don't like how tight it is they need to give you like six more inches between chairs it's like i'm not even saying a lot. That's losing money right there. I know. Yeah. And obviously that's the, that's the thing on it.

But like, there was a guy behind me that was at least 300 pounds. And I'm like, that guy's miserable. I can see he's wedged in here and these people the whole time. But the concert was awesome. And also like the production that they put into it like the lighting and the the screens and stuff that they had set up was pretty wild i was like yeah that's uh it was pretty trippy actually even where i was like yeah that's that's pretty crazy um i'm not like a diehard red hot chili peppers fan but i like the red hot chili peppers oh for for me they they used to be my favorite band i love

them so much for a long time because they're just it's just fun music like it's fun music right like it always has like so much of it has like this funk vibe and funk is always awesome john frusciante is this incredible guitar player i was obsessed with him for a long time i think he's uh underrated that was like my takeaway um uh kitas that's uhis, he's the worst part of the band. Oh, I think that's common knowledge. Yeah, Flea is also awesome. Yeah, Flea is incredibly talented. Did he ever play the trumpet or anything while you guys were doing that?

Yeah, what did he play? Maybe it was the trumpet. Yeah, because he can play a few different instruments too. It might have been the saxophone or something. Or maybe that's what it was, yeah. Yeah, I don't remember but uh he is awesome too and the drummer's whatever the drummer's name is he was really good also smith yeah um it was i've it was awesome uh also the other problem they have they played they didn't play enough of the old you know

like what i were they playing some of their newer ones? Yeah, like two mini in a row. And I'm like, all right. How about a little bit? Yeah. Like, let's reel it back in here to the stuff that I want to, you know, like. They didn't play Under the Bridge. Oh, really?

Right. Which I'm like, damn, how do we not? And they didn't play Scar Tissue. And there's a few songs like that. I mean, they played a whole bunch of songs they did know, but they just have a big library. Yeah, I thought I saw, not from you, but I did see enough people that I know that were at the concert.

I think they did California Cation. They brought out this big white guitar for that, didn't they? Yeah, and they opened with Can't Stop stop or uh yeah uh which is good and oh they played it was it was really cool like the production of it was awesome though but listening to all the songs in succession the biggest thing i notice is uh it's anthony right yep he has no range of anything like it's all like his stuff is like, uh, you know,

it's like, it's like this punchy way of singing where he's like, I don't ever want to. Yeah. And he just like, after a while, I'm like, he's in there.

Yeah. I was like, that's, he only works in red. I don't know what he could do outside of like, yeah, he has to be the red hot chili peppers. And it's awesome in that way, but I'm just like, there's, it's like, he only works as that. Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense.

No, it does. It does. That's what, yeah. There's just so many memes that have existed forever about just how the lyrics don't make any goddamn sense. And it's just that was another revelation i had so at times i'm like god i do not know these lyrics like i think i do because i'm like i can mumble this but i don't know the words he's saying in that exact time i'm like i don't know what that actual word is that he's saying yeah i mean some of them just

don't make any sense so like it's just it's like out there but uh yeah musically they're all really fun to listen to that's for sure oh yeah it was awesome so i i give it a a it was it was cool it was a lot of fun i saw them at bonnaroo in i'd be 2011 or 12 and the unfortunate part was that was when John for Shantae was not in the band at that time. So I did not get to see him, which is unfortunate because I would love to see him someday. But what got us going on that is you were at a live event here, like the week before, or I don't know, it was even just like a few days before I was,

I'm not really sure. It would have been recently like a week and a couple days ago. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I went to, I saw Chris D'Elia, the comedian, live in Minneapolis. And what made it a little more exciting was that he was also recording his special there that night. So there was like tons of cameras around. I've never, I haven't been to very many comedy shows in the first place.

And I've definitely never been to one where they're filming a special. So it is impressive to see the production that's going on behind the scenes with everything. That's the part I thought was really cool is that they're shooting the special too. Because like, yeah, that's half of what I would want to see. I'd want to be like, oh, where are they all? Oh, yeah. There was, I mean, there was cameras like in every corner. They had the big crane camera coming down from the balcony.

That was always like going up and down. They had guys in the steady cams going up and down the aisles at different parts in the show. They'd have a guy in the steady cam coming around behind him on the stage. Like there was, and there's, you always got people like running like cards and batteries and stuff to, to all the camera operators.

So I mean, it was kind of cool just from sort of kind of being in a world where you we do video and audio stuff just to see some of that but um yeah he's i haven't kept up with him as close in the last couple years but i used to listen to his podcast like every single week and my wife still does she she loves listening to his podcast and it is one of those things where uh yeah after you listen to a guy long enough and you see him in person like that's the guy that's really him he's really a real person wow so uh it was it was uh kind of cool to see that and we also got the you know

kind of that behind the curtain peek of the guy comes out he's like all right he's filming his special here he could have picked any city in amer, but he picked here. So make it known that you guys appreciate him. You got to go crazy, you know, like hyping it up as, as much as I can. And I got that side of it. And then there was, at one point it was really odd. And I don't know if it was on purpose, like part of a bit or what, but he started doing a joke and he's going on and on and you know telling the story and he gets done you think he's done and then he kind of like stops for a while and pauses then he starts laughing he's like yeah i messed that whole thing up so i'll just have to tell that one again and it's like oh yeah that's kind of weird because he's they do two filmings you know they they we went

to the early show so they do two shows so that they have multiple footage to work with. But that's where it's like, we all know that. We all know you're going to tell the same jokes again. So are you being serious? And then so he kind of goes on and doesn't address it. And then it's maybe 10 more minutes into the thing. He goes back to that joke, that story. And at first it's hilarious because like, oh, he's telling the same thing again. Like, this is really, really funny.

And then it was a longer story. Then you're you're like well we've kind of already heard this like what's so he really was like yeah so he really was and like then it did take some different turns and go some different ways but uh that was that was probably the most unusual part of that whole thing yeah and that's just because it was for the special too i'm assuming yeah i mean because otherwise people had their laughs and everything, but yeah, I guess there was some other stuff that needed to be said. Otherwise. Yeah.

It was downtown Minneapolis. It was in a very old, I think it was the state theater, which for a massive theater that probably holds a few thousand people, only like five bartenders, only like five people selling beer and the whole thing. So getting a beer was damn near impossible which makes okay no sense to me i was gonna ask that because also the fargo dome you'd think could be well equipped for this size of a audience but apparently not

with everyone on the floor like that because the floor bar areas in between like you could not get a beer like i mean the line it wasn't a line it was like a mass of a thousand people in line and like also to go to the bathroom it was like you pretty well better plan on pissing your pants so that must be the floor because i i've only been to one show there and i went to bruno mars and that was probably, six years ago. And our whole thing was, I've probably talked about this on the podcast long time ago, but if you're looking at the stage, we were in the very, very back left corner. Like you basically couldn't be farther away than us up as far back in a far way as possible. And it was Bruno Mars. Camila Cabela was the opener and like, she's kind of getting done. And and for whatever reason one of the security usher

people goes hey do you guys want better seats there's some room up front and we go yeah and they moved us up all the way to it would be just it was directly right of the stage like in like bleacher area actually yeah and so we were i mean we were even with the stage we were probably like i don't know 10 rows back maybe. And there I thought it was so awesome because if I had to get a beer, I could run and get a beer and be back in probably 30 seconds. Same thing, the bathroom, the longest part was going to the bathroom. Like you could go, the concourse was empty over there. You had so much room, but I guess the floor thing. I think it's the floor because there's so many people on the floor and like, there's only so

like, there's like an area in each corner maybe or like just each back corner. And I think it's just like, it's too many people, you know, it just is too many people. And this Fargo Dome is older too. So I'm sure like it's probably like newer venues are probably made with that in mind a little bit.

I'm sure that probably wasn't the case there, but interesting. So that was our, you know, what have Tanner and Tommy been? Have you ever seen Red Hot Chili Peppers, the Live at Slane Castle concert? No, I know of that, but no, I not really know. You should, if you're a fan, if anyone's a fan of Red Hot Chili Peppers and you've not seen that,

just Google it, Live at Slane Castle. They play at this, I think it's in England or Irelandireland they play at this castle and it is so cool like it's that was them and probably like early 2000s like danny california or uh yeah that whole album wasn't out a stadium arcadia there that album wasn't out yet so it was all everything before that like when they were just like non-stop hits and they just play in front of this massive massive crowd with a castle in the background that's that's a really good concert you should check that out if uh okay you're a red hot chili peppers fan like i did there um okay i've also been reading a couple books but i'll save that for another time

we'll get to that another you say your reading is kind of your thing i'm a big reading guy right at this given if you ask me at this specific moment in time i have also i'll say this there's three books i'm trying to get through damn three yeah three books oh my gosh going on my reading list yeah doesn't just start one book he starts three books yeah three books that I'm working on right now. And I'll just save more of my book reports for when I get done with some of it. All right. I did want to let everyone know to make sure to head over to Spud Inc.

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