Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 388: Getting a Freaky Pump

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

Tommy tells us about his new gym! We got a chance to dive into some real sets and reps talk this week. We also managed to bring up Dumb & Dumber, Austin Powers, Costco chicken bake, and so much more! Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on your first order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASS for a free pair of AWEsome wraps! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Swiss Link Use code MASS to save 15%! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. Welcome everyone. Episode 388 of the Massanomics podcast recorded live from South Dakota, a couple of different places in South Dakota. We are formerly the world's strongest podcast. Much more recently, we are the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy.

Tommy, isn't that what we were? The world's strongest podcast? We were for a while. Is that what we said? Yeah. For a couple hundred episodes, we claimed, made that title. Yeah. I think, you know, I thought of that today because I saw some podcast Instagram page out there or something that, I think it was Deadliest Lift Mark Rosenberg was on and I think it was world's strongest podcast and I'm like that

sounds familiar and I'm like that's a good name why isn't someone use that and I'm like wait a second we did we used to say that for a couple hundred episodes I want to google that now what comes up uh oh the actual podcast called that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. World's Strongest Podcast. We did it first, like everything. Yeah. And Simpsons probably did it before us also, to be fair. No, no, we're first. Simpsons did it. But I guess, to be fair, we relinquished that name.

And I guess it's the five-year podcast rule of when you give up a catchy name of a podcast, then it becomes free. It's that loophole in the copyright thing where after you give up a name in podcasting for so long, then it's free game. Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that. There's always a gotcha, isn't there? Yeah, there's a lot of specific rules in this podcast game, and old,

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if you're playing along on YouTube. And speaking of Ersonomics, at some point in time in this episode, we will get to our winners. We just finished up our 50,000 subscriber mega blowout sale extravaganza, where we had 50% off a bunch of items in our store. And everyone that purchased during the sale got entered to win some build fast formula supplements, some obsidian ammonia, a pair of ergonomic shoes. And we have selected the winners. There was a lot of people that got in on it, but we the winners winners uh random number generated earlier today out of everyone that ordered over that time so we'll be

able to announce those this episode do we want to do it this episode or should we wait like a couple weeks to announce the winner that's you know a good cliffhanger everyone likes a little suspense yeah we could uh we could we could keep people keep, right? We'll see. We'll see how it plays out. You don't want to say too much. Tanner, I don't know if you can tell on the camera, but in person, I look like the crying Michael Jordan meme because my eyes are so insanely red.

Is it allergies? That's what I've come to the conclusion. It's allergies. I just, since the time I was about 25 every year, my allergies get worse and worse. And now they're at the point where like the last three days, it's feels like if you wear sunglasses and someone sprays water all over them and you're like, Oh, this is annoying. Like there's water bubbles. That's just how I have been for the last three days. And then you look at a computer screen and it just makes you go insane,

but just got to power through. There's no, options right well you don't have to look at a computer screen very often yeah luckily i've only been looking at one like nine hours a day lately so it makes life really really easy my mind you know how you say you get yours get worse every year mine get worse every year mine didn't start till i was like 30 and they get worse i went like 30 years and i was always like i i know I've said this and I always say, I know I've said this before on the podcast, but I always used to think people were making it up. I'd be like, come on, you bunch of pussies.

Like, what are you talking? Like, it's not that bad. And anymore, like this year, it's been like a month nonstop of just. It is, it's terrible. And I think like the fires, I think are probably doing something with it the smoke in the air that's that I can't imagine that's helping but you're totally right

every year it's just I thought as soon as soon as I get sneezing under control I think I'm good like nope now your eyes have problems yeah I've never never had that in my life before thanks uh tanner i got some uh exciting new gym announcements i was very curious what that topic was i somebody's anytime there's a topic that says new gym gym i assume there's not a new jim in your life it's more of a g it is it is a gym so what's that all about well. It is a GYM. So what's that all about? Well, so there is a little bit of a context here. I do know that I do not go to the best gym in Sioux Falls. I know there are better gyms without a doubt. I know that, but the reason I go to the one I go to is because like I was saying, time is the most valuable asset in my life. And I cannot understate that. Like my time is maxed out every single day and anything I can do to save. Are you taking your talents to perfect little sweeties gym? I still haven't.

I don't know if I've got a formal invite either. I think that's like an invitational thing. I haven't got that yet. I'd love to go someday. But, um, when I did, so I go to a gym, it's literally two blocks from my house. So it's super fast. Big Colton goes there. Yes. Big Colton goes there. But when I ran into big Colton at the grocery store the other day, while I was talking to you on the phone, I caught back up with him and talked a little more. And he had mentioned that the gym I go to when you remember it, they have like five locations or whatever it is. He goes to a one, he goes to one that's a couple of miles away. And he had mentioned they have a safety squat bar there and if there's one thing

i've really wanted the last six months it's been a safety squat bar and i thought oh and i also grayson crew member grayson also goes to this one is that oh that's the one grayson goes to yes because that one seemed way better than the one you go to. Yes. The one that Grayson goes to. Yes. And so I went the other day and damn, I've been going to the wrong one this whole time, man. It's yeah, it was way better. They had a safe safety squat bar that can leave a lot open when someone says

their gym has a safety squat bar. You know, there are a lot of levels to that pleasantly enough. They have the elite FDS safety squat bar. They have the gold standard sitting there right which was awesome the first problem was what do you do for collars and immediately i realized that oh there's no i'm just used to that was it the pro locks is that what they're called the spinning ones what we use is the problem and i can't find them i can't find

anything that fits on there so i go ask the people the one person had no idea what i was even talking about the other guy goes oh they're here somewhere and it's the old spring clip style ones oh does that bar come with those or not i don't think so okay so he's like oh yeah it's the ones that oh no it doesn't come with collars no no okay yeah so it came with like the spring they're really shitty spring clippy ones he could only find one of them though and i'm like well i guess i'll just squat really evenly so that we don't have a problem here but that was amazing i for the first time in my life i've never seen a knurled axle bar before and they had one of those there which surprised me and what brand is it it was the one i have the one that has a little strength like japanese logo what what brand is

that ah the tattoo on my leg yes the one on your leg straight shot there you go i'm like hey tanner's tanner's legs on that bar is what i thought one of my mini tattoos that i have is on that bar yeah i think that's strength strength shot so they had one of those which i was i i've never really cared much for axle bars but seeing that for a second i thought maybe i'll use the axle bar to do my overhead press today i didn't do it but i thought about it I normally don't even think about it so so will you go there all the time well and I'm not done yet then they also have

they also have a I actually don't I gotta I gotta have a confession here forgive me father for IS and well they have a hack squat machine which I was kind of excited about because I've never actually used one before. I'm confused, though.

Is there like two types of hack squat machines? Are they both? Because one, you know, you put your back more on the pad and you move up and down. And the other one, your back's not on the pad. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I really think hack squat machines are like snowflakes. Oh, it is like that. Okay.

No, I do think that there's just such a variety of hack squat machines that like so many different angles and the way they're built that like they are all so different. Yeah, well, some you're facing in towards the machine, some you're facing away. And that's why I didn't know ever for sure if there was a finer way to label these than just hack squat but uh anyways they had a hack squat machine they just had some good oh it's i've

never used them before it's the one where you have your back on it and you face out you know and uh i i didn't that wasn't on my list for that day i'm gonna do it tomorrow but i did just have to do a couple reps of it empty. And I thought, Oh, okay. I can see how this could really do something here. Yeah. Cause I think depending for different people, you know, different ones of them, they can either feel like really good or really shitty too. I think, you know, I think it just all depends on the machine and the person and the combination of the two yeah so anyway i did and then they have a huge turf area not that i really care that much about it but it does look really cool um so anyways i

left there thinking ah i've been going to the wrong one this whole time and uh i'm gonna move here in like to a different part of sioux falls in like a month and a half and so i'll never go to that one ever again but i do have it for the next month and a half i guess so you'll never go to the one you're going to this new one you won't go to anymore no ever again. But I do have it for the next month and a half, I guess. So you'll never go to the one you're going to, this new one you won't go to anymore? No, because once I move, it'll be 25 minutes away, which again is like I'm not. So do you know which one you are,

what are you going to go to? I think I'm going to go to the one that our old buddy Austin Benson goes to. So is it the same in the same? No, it's actually a totally different gym. Okay, okay. It'll be, yeah, it's a totally different gym and it's up closer to where I'll be.

It'll be like a five minute drive. alex in the discord said you talking about going to this new gym is like the sheltered kids telling stories about their field trip downtown to the museum i get to go to a gym with this safety squat bar well after you know you get used to this stuff you have it at massonomics you take it as you take it as a standard and then you go to a gym that has nothing and you think man i've just been so i went from having i went from being on top of the world and having everything to having nothing to now kind of having a taste of good stuff again we're like just getting a safety squat bar is like oh you're right yeah oh yeah before a year ago this would have been like why is this even a topic on this podcast tommy's a safety squat bar wow real cool and that's how that's how far i've fallen that now that's exciting to me again uh one takeaway i have

from everything you said there if there's one lift i can't i really can't do without collars it is squat i can i always bench without collars oh yeah i never bench with collars never bench with collars um actually i think there's a fair reason why you don't do that don't bench with collars. Never bench with collars. Actually, I think there's a fair reason why you don't do that. Don't bench with collars. But deadlift, I could go either way. Like, I usually use collars just to keep the bar tight. Yeah, I do too. But, like, I could certainly deadlift without collars.

But squat is the one that always makes me a little nervous because you're almost not even aware if it's sliding. Yeah, and I should say I would never actually do – I would never do just a regular squat without collars. I never would. Uh, and what I did here is I actually put the shitty ones on. So unless you move it out perfectly, you know, if things are at an angle at all, they do catch like, it's not like it doesn't do anything. So I should say on the one side, I did have the shitty collar on that kind of did something, but, uh uh yeah well it wasn't a problem luckily

so you but you've only got this gym for a little just be a little while longer that you get there a little bit are they gonna let you out of your contract yeah i'm just month to month so okay they did say i'll have to go to the top of a mountain and sign a document before they'll let me leave the contract though so i'm just planning on when I'm going to do that. Okay. Well, that's good gym update. That's good gym news. Yeah.

And also in this gym, it was the first time since I moved here that I've seen anyone ever squat over 350 for reps. So I'm like, all right, already strong people go to this one too. That's getting serious. Yeah, right, right. That's getting serious. I'm still at the same old gym.

Oh, really? I thought for sure maybe you'd have something new for me getting serious. I'm still at the same old gym. Oh, really? You had nothing? I thought for sure maybe you'd have something new for me. No, kind of stuck at the same old gym. I did get some equipment. Sergeant Ryan made of Minneapolis. Sergeant Ryan messaged me. He happened to say, hey, I'm in the cities for the Huskers-Gophers football game.

Is there anything you're having to try to get for equipment? I said, as a matter of fact, there is, there's a couple of things I can, you could pick up. So I got the pair of hundred pound York roundhead dumbbells, which is a great score to get that one off the list. And then had like, were they actually in Minneapolis? Is that, yeah, the guy was actually there. Okay. But yeah, I didn't know if it was the guy was meeting you there. No, I'd been talking with the guy and I'm like, well, if I,

if I happen to get a way to get this, like we'll get it done, you know, I'll, I'll be a buyer if I can. And then like half a week later, Ryan said, Hey, I'm here. Awesome. Can we get, yeah, that was like five more pairs of milled York 25s just because Just because the way that the York 25s are, I've always wanted a few more just to not in the practical sense of that they'll ever even get used. They just fill out the rack a lot. Like there was space on the racks. It's like a feng shui interior design thing.

Everything has to be balanced. It is. We have way more 25s than you know then we'll ever get used at one point in time now but i like the way it looks better is that an ancient artifact or did you just buy it from target it doesn't matter it looks good right that is exactly right um and along those lines too a new youtube video came out this week where you broke down the price, the pricing behind everything in the gym. Yeah.

It wasn't really a gym tour. It was more of just a gym. Inventory. Gym valuation inventory guide. Yeah. So I think if you're anyone, anyone that's interested in gym equipment type stuff, you'll probably find that interesting. And or maybe not.

Maybe you think it sucks. But either way, give it a give it a watch and find out for yourself. I can't I can't tell, that is a good question. I was really trying to come at it from the mind of someone that just isn't really in that world. And would they think, God, that's all you get for $86,000? Or would they think, wow, that's a lot of stuff for $86,000. I can't quite decide. I actually don't know.

I don't either. I'm not sure what people would think. Yeah, I don't know what the perception of that would be either way. I don't know. I don't either. I'm not sure what people would think. Yeah. I don't know what the perception of that would be either way. I, I don't know. I will say, what do you think people would be towards? Or maybe it's just like,

yeah, that seems about right. Honestly, the way you broke it down though, I could see how people might think that it doesn't seem like enough because when you go, Oh, we have like 14,000 pounds worth of weight or whatever the number is.

You don't actually really know, even me going to the gym, I don't know how many plates that is, but then when you see it all, you're like, wow, okay, this is a lot of plates. But just saying that number, tell someone to guess, is that 50 weight plates?

Is that 100 weight plates? Is that 500 weight plates? I think some people would have the hard time wrapping their head around it. And then the other big one is when you're like, here's 30 some bars. Yeah. Like you don't actually get how many bars, 30 bars is until you go into that gym.

Like most commercial gyms don't have, yeah, most commercial gyms don't have that many bars, you know, gyms with hundreds, if not thousands of members don't have that many bars. Right. And then the other one is the racks. You're like, oh, okay. These racks add up to like eight grand. It's like, yeah, again, hard to capture that, you oh okay these racks add up to like eight grand and it's like yeah again hard to capture that you know these racks so it is it did make it seem like oh yeah that's a quick and

easy to do shopping list to put together but when you also get in the gym and really look around you realize how much shit is actually in there there is a lot of stuff in there and that didn't even that didn't even put a value on the old ipods. Right. Priceless. Priceless. But maybe the most valuable thing was the friends that we made along the way. I don't even think that's a maybe. I think that's the real case there. It's a funny thing to say, but maybe it's also true, too. Mm-hmm. Okay.

What? When do we want to? to well let's wait to announce the winners until maybe after our guests here the what about the deadlift championship should we talk about that we can do that but I'm getting thirsty oh even a better choice good call on that one

what are you drinking over there a fresh crispy cool lemon LaCroix. Nice choice. I've got the Hop Water from Big Bob. He sent us the Hop Water. I've got another one here.

And I just noticed this time when he sent us the package, he sent us his name tag from the Friday night of the Leveezy Classic. Hello, my name is Big Bob. Classic Bob. Yeah. If that isn't Bob for you, if that doesn't just scream Classic Bob, I don't know what does. Lemon.

It's great, man. I'm excited to try this again. Let's see what we got. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah. It's funny. I do think these are good, but I just could never see myself like purchasing this still. I don't know why.

I don't know why I feel that way. I know what you mean. I think I had that preconceived notion about sparkling water not that long ago. And look where we're at now. That's true. This kind of feels like I'm drinking a brewski i get it i guess you know i don't know hop water may be the biggest thing that like plays tricks on my mind that we've ever done and what's in the can that is just like the the oddest thing

but pretty tasty a real treatest thing, but pretty tasty. A real treat for the senses. Yeah, pretty tasty nonetheless. So the deadlift championships, they went on, and it was just really one event of a part of the Bigger Strongman event. This was over in Europe somewhere, one of those European countries. They're all kind of the same to me. Like Australia or one of those other European countries. Singapore all kind of the same to me like australia or one of those

other european countries singapore i think is a country uh um deadlift championships were a part of it so some people doing the deadlift were just doing the deadlift and you know not the full strongman event of note um big jamal browner was doing the deadlift event that was of particular interest for a lot of people because he had to go you know no sumo allowed only conventional and what did he pull was it 430 or 435 something like that that he got successfully oh i got it right here 950 ish pounds if only i knew someone that could do easy mental math 430 yeah what's 860 plus 86 you tell me that'd be uh like nine yeah ish yeah give or take yeah so pretty big deadlift there but what

did he end up with fifth yep they'll put him in fifth nobody broke any world records in the men's side you know there's no 500 kilogram deadlifts everyone talks about that all the time and i don't think anyone biggest was 470 gram hicks oh only 470 that's only like a thousand loser yeah uh but of most biggest note i think uh this week is that lucy underdown i think is her name i haven't been following her prior to this, but she deadlifted a new all-time female record. The most any females deadlifted, 700 pounds. We think it was like 700 even.

That record is just not safe. Man, that thing is getting beat up. Yeah, seven Hondoo. Wasn't it not that long ago? What did Tamara, what did she do was it like six four and then granted that's in a power lifting meet and this is in strong men with straps and whatever but still the most amount of weight that any woman has deadlifted um in any capacity yeah man that 800 800 just it's 100 pounds away but it's still just probably

right around the corner the way things are going. There's always next year for 800. Should we do a little supporting our sporting members? We've got a whole bunch of stuff to talk about here. We actually, I haven't even told you about this yet. We have a very interesting sack segment that we can get to. It's just hot off the press just today, so we've got a sack segment we're going to be able to get to soon that we'll probably be both. I think everyone will be excited about this sack segment.

It'll be a pretty fun one. So we'll get to that also, but maybe we should do supporting our supporting members first. Supporting our supporting members is a segment we do each week on the podcast. We have these supporting members that choose to support us, which first of all, we want to give back to all of you because it means a lot having everyone choose to become supporting members. We love, love seeing that. It's a big part of what helps keep the podcast going and growing, I would say, is getting, retaining and continuing to get more new supporting

members. So please, if you have any interest in supporting log onto our site, massonomics.com slash join, you can get signed up there. There's several different levels you can sign up at LaCroix levels. Or should I say LaCroix level? Maybe it's one of those.

Lift shorts levels. Several different levels, even a pierogi level in there. Different levels. And we try to give back to you. When you do, we give like a few times a year, we send out like these special gifts that only the supporting members get.

And you get access to our online Discord community, which is a community full of like-minded individuals that are very active. And there's discount code that you get exclusive as a supporting member. Some various other things. It's like Perk City when you become one. And then each week, as a little added bonus, we like to give back with this segment

and shout out some people that we saw do cool stuff that deserve shouting out. So the first one is Big Melissa was the guest this week on Unpaid and Underrated. Go make sure to give her a listen. She was also the winner. You may recognize her from such things as winning the hardest lifter at the 2023 Lift Hard Live Easy Classic. Then Murlock Jones took first place at his county fair strongman contest, which you said it was probably inaccurately named

because the events included a beer chug for time, tire, horseshoes, and a foot race. What? For real? That's what he said, but he did take first. Well, hey, I'm glad he showed up. Yeah, Jake the Snake. But it was actually called the county's... Yeah, he said strongest man, I think, or strongman contest or something about strongman. Maybe it was more of like a test of your willpower than anything.

Yeah. I don't know. Huh. I don't know. But he took first, so that's all that matters. Yep. That's all we care about. Big Jake the Snake welcomed.

He expanded the crew by one more member. He set a family PR, a new South Dakota-born chocolate chip added to the crew. So congrats, Big Jake, of course. And then last one I would mention is just a new supporting member that signed up. It would be Big Trond. I just want to shout out Big Trond. I put this in the Discord this week also, but Big Trond was like my first influence in the gym ever

from when I was in probably junior high and high school. And now look what he's done. This is all his fault. Now he is – things have really become full circle that he has become a supporting member here. But he was a senior when I was a freshman. And, you know, some people could be dicks in that situation. A lot of people are, to be honest.

Right, right. And he was obviously never like that and really supporting. And we had like a crew of linemen that all did lifting together. And some of my first introduction, not that I was necessarily lifting all that hard at that point in time, but it was getting me doing a little bit something and getting me started on the path that eventually leads to us sitting here tonight. He's listening live now even.

Oh, great. I shouldn't have said anything nice about it if I would have only been listening to this. I don't like to say nice things about people if they're going to hear it. Exactly. Someone posted a dumb and... So that wraps up supporting our supporting members for this week.

So please become a supporting member if you're so interested. I see the dumb and dumber meme. I did introduce Jack. I had Jack. We watched Dumb and Dumber. He saw it for the first time. Oh, really?

He liked it. He liked it. I was a little wondered if he would be, you know, just like not think it's funny. That's a crazy thought because I can't ever. There's so many movies growing up that I couldn't ever say the first time I watched it. Because there's some that were just kind of always on, it felt like, you know. Right. Like Dumb and Dumber.

Dumb and Dumber. I could never tell you the first time I actually watched that movie. I could tell you the first time I watched Austin Powers. I couldn't tell you the first time I watched Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber. I hadn't seen it for a little while. Dumb and Dumber was perennially perennially on like tbs or tnt like always all the time yes um you know what i this is just like a complete like tiny little portion of it that i just

what i thought was so cheesy at the very beginning of it like the graphic the title that they put oh yeah where they say dumb and where it says dumb and dumber, I'm like, that looks awful. And you forget about it because you don't catch the beginning. Yeah, you don't catch the beginning very often, so you forget that that was even in there. That's like the most budgety-looking thing I've ever seen. It's almost like the Mark Bell slingshot where they stretch it out like a rubber band.

You could probably make a better-looking thing in iMovie now for free you know and they actually pay someone money to do that yeah dumb and dumber will hold up forever though yeah I think so I know we've talked about that before also but I don't think that's a hot take but as we found out last time there were very active crew members in here that had not in fact seen dumb and dumber yeah that's insane to me that's crazy i want to know and i think we got a few of those people to chalk that off the list you know big kevin notably kevin is the one that sticks out in my mind saying that he hadn't seen it now so it's mature either which also blows my mind yeah here again i ask has anyone not seen dumb and dumber anyone listening to this have you not seen dumb and dumber before and if so please pause the show what do you think would be worse though assuming you're around our age

not seen having not seen dumb and dumber or having not seen Austin powers, which is the bigger miss. Do you think? I think if you're around our age, I think it's even crazier to me. If you haven't, I think it's even crazier to me. If you haven't seen Austin powers, I think so too, because those movies were coming out while we were growing up you know i just don't i can't imagine if you how you could have not seen and there there was like three of them and they were all good dumb and dumber there was only one good one yeah like austin powers existed for like 10 years there like where it was so popular i just i don't know i can't imagine what about anchorman is that even is that in the same ballpark or i would say it's in the same ball that came over there in high school that's like when you go to movies you know people rag on me for not knowing movies for the most part the movies i haven't seen her from the 80s i feel like i still can't hang out with friends and not have someone make like quote an anchorman line i feel like we can't interview guests on this show and not have anchorman come up you know um i do think you have a fair point though i think you're right that austin powers

it would be more egregious to have not seen austin powers i'd be like how how did you do that that's just impressive that you made it through unless you're like yeah my religion we are not allowed to watch or my parents didn't let me watch that stuff. And then by the time I was allowed to, I had just moved on. Big Keith said he's never seen Anchorman. I don't believe him. He claims he's seen everything we watch, but that he hasn't seen Anchorman? I don't even get how that's possible. No.

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so he never watched movies like that after. And I would say Napoleon Dynamite is 10,000 leagues away from Anchorman, in my opinion. First of all, never watched movies like that. What are we talking here, comedies? They're not the same type of movie at all. I also don't think it holds a candle in very many ways. I actually, I don't think Napoleon Dynamite's a bad movie.

It just suffered from its own success where it got probably a little too overrated. Right. I don't know if it holds up as well either. Maybe it holds up even better. Maybe it does. Maybe it's like the Nickelback effect. Well, Tanner, our time's getting close here. No guest on the horn yet, though?

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so congratulations guys and girls that won yeah better keep this list honestly i'm gonna throw it away but yeah for your for record keeping legally you know oh that's true in case the auditors want to right want to look into anything the way things were going i'm kind of surprised there's any t-shirts on the shelves behind you even tanner the shelves in here are way more empty i could almost if i didn't want to mess if i wanted to mess with things i would show you the shelves to my side here and they are the emptiest that they've looked since like i've moved into this house i think got to restock yeah um that's kind of wild it's kind of it actually is wild there's very few hats around the t-shirt piles are just like there's bare shelves

and there's almost never bare shelves because I'm always squeezing and pushing and you know are these guys going out of business? What's going on here? With deals this crazy they should probably lock us up and throw away the key.

That'd be the safe thing to do. Well I don't think our guest is joining us tonight tanner no guest in the horn there no guest on the horn i'll send one more message here just in case uh something got lost in the time zone transition yeah well let's just talk about other stuff then and if if if you happen to notice that she pops on we'll shift gears to that. But otherwise, I think we got plenty of other stuff to talk about here anyway. Oh, do we?

Does this mean we can hop right into it? Yeah, let's just, now that we've been recording for 43 minutes, can we dive right in? We have all the housekeeping done? Yes, we finally got our housekeeping done. Yes, we finally got our housekeeping done. Not to get too political, which is usually how I like to start most segments on this podcast. When the podcast is really starting.

That's how you know it's starting, when Tanner says that. This isn't really political at all, I don't think. Actually, everything's political if you think about it hard enough, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. And some people don't even think about it that hard, and they make it political. Yeah, I was going to say, it's not even, yeah, it's just what someone's intentions are as to how political something can be.

No, but this podcast, I think this episode comes out on nine 11. Oh, September 11th. So do you remember, do you remember where you were at when you found out about nine 11? I do. I remember. That'd be something if you're about our age, like that's like the, the thing you say, you were at when you found out about 9-11? I do. I remember. That would be something if you're about our age, like that's like the thing you say, where were you when? And if you're in our generation, that would be the question, right?

Mm-hmm. I think we've maybe even talked about this on the podcast before. We probably have. We've talked about everything. Walking the halls before school started in seventh grade, you know, you get there, you're kind of talking with your friends. before school started in seventh grade, you know, you get there,

you're kind of talking with your friends. And I remember one of my friends told me that, Oh, Mr. So-and-so said an airplane hit the world trade center. And I remember thinking, okay, a little tiny air,

even in my, even in my brain, what are you in seventh grade? What are you at? 12, 13. I remember thinking, Oh,

a little airplane ran into a building. What does that matter? Like that doesn't mean anything. And then like 10 minutes later, you're like, oh, shit. Like, this is a really big deal, actually. Yeah. So, in what grade were you in? That was seventh. Okay.

Okay. I, how many, what year did you graduate from? 2007. Okay. So, does that mean I was in ninth grade then? That's right. Well, no, you're only, did you graduate in 2006? Five.

Oh, you did. Oh, see, that's what I can never keep straight is the age difference between us. Cause you're like a little, I don't know. Yeah. So you would have been. My birthday's in January. What month's your birthday? March.

March. Okay. Are you 35 or 36? What's that? Are you 35 or 36 what's that are you 35 or 36 i'm 36 oh okay yeah see that's what i can never do 34 yeah i'm 34 i always think you're a year older than me that's why i can never keep it straight i almost can't even keep track of how i legitimately can't can't keep track well of how old i am let alone 33 was a very hard age for me to remember how old I was I always wanted to think I was 32 and then I even when I would say 33 my wife would always say oh you're 32 and that would really mess me up 34 for whatever reason I can remember 34 I don't know why okay

so school had just started for us that year yeah yeah that makes sense okay yeah we had just started school yeah I was screwing around in the bathroom we were skipping out i think it was like a little walk period was the thing we had and there's like me and two other two other uh my buddies we were dicking around in the bath like just like i don't actually even remember what we were doing just like not doing what we were supposed to be doing and like the principal came in and we're and you know he was uh you know kind of a hard ass and we're like oh shit like we're in trouble now because we were supposed to be somewhere else. And he was just like, yeah, you guys better get to your classroom. And he wasn't like...

Having any fun or angriness about it? No, it was most surprising that he wasn't angry about it. And we were like, oh, we assumed there was a real ass chewing coming here. And he was like, oh, you better just get there right away. And we're like, Oh, okay. And we got there and then we found out what was going on.

But I re that's the part that always will stick out in my mind of how we didn't get yelled at in a scenario where I just thought this, uh, you know, epic, um, ass chewing was coming and we didn't get it. And I was like,

that's, that's how I knew something serious was going on because there wasn't ass chewing to go along with that. Yeah. Yeah, it was a crazy day. I do remember. But I remember, like, even the rest of the school, they'd have the TV on. And at times, it was really intense.

I think, actually, they even turned it off a couple times because they'd have people calling in from, like, live on the scene of stuff happening. And it was, it wasn't, I think even the news was a little different back then too. Well, obviously the news was different,

but just the whole thing. I remember that being different. And then, uh, yeah, that's the rest of the day going home. And, you know,

obviously that's all anyone talks about then for the rest of what the next several months it was. Yeah. It was weird though. As like, uh, you know uh middle of the year like how isolated we are from that stuff even then still where it's just kind of like well i know this is serious but like also what um what's going on with the football game tomorrow night you know it's just like it's just kind of like well i'm just a kid and yeah you're

just a kid and like i was in seventh grade kid. And like, I was in seventh grade. So even then, like seventh, like you obviously know what's bad. But then at the same time, it's a part of the country I've never been to. These places aren't basically even real to me.

You know, the internet didn't hardly even exist then. Like you were just so far removed. The world was so much less connected. You were so far removed from everything that it really, and then being that age, you're just sheltered from it The world was so much less connected. You were so far removed from everything that it really, and then being that age, you're just sheltered from it in a way that you wouldn't be

if that happened nowadays. It's kind of nice to be able to be sheltered from it. I actually think about this. People always talk about, you know, if you could go back in any time, like where would you go? I think for real to go back to the 90s would just be nuts like nothing nothing is a secret anymore you know any subculture or anything that's on the fringe that you you know whether it's music or art or whatever that is you can just look it up on

youtube and find out all about that you know lifting, like the gym used to be kind of this fringe culture that was like, Whoa, what's this all about? And now you can just go on YouTube and find out everything you need to know about what everyone takes for steroids and all that. Like there's no, there's no mystique and mystery behind anything anymore. In the nineties, the world was like changing and there was some technology, but things were still like mysterious, you know? And like, you didn't know about things. Like there was cultures happening in places that the only way to really know is you had to go there. And I think it'd be really sweet to go back to the nineties.

If you go back in time and just like people had cell phones, you could call people, but that was it. You know, they didn't like run people's lives. People like, can you imagine going to a concert in the nineties? How crazy that would be compared to now where yes,

still concerts are still fun, but the dream of the 90s is alive and well in Portland maybe that's where I need to be all along I don't know if that's where we want to be or not yeah that's true about I guess anything like 90s or older is some of that's true yeah but I think some you go back farther and like things are like two i don't know you go back in the 70s and like people don't even know what's going on anymore they're so i honestly i don't know how people even got any work done in the 70s what do you send letters and just wait for a response five days later like i don't know what had this what went on in the offices without computers that's the part that always blows my mind like how did

they get anything done you know it was probably so easy to slack off back in those days you weren't under the surveillance of 20 000 automated systems watching you god well i'm like crime how could you what was on people's desks like there's no computer how bad of a criminal did you have to be to not get away with crimes before like dna and that and when dna and like every 24 hour surveillance and exist how did you get caught for anything just wasn't me can't prove it like oh you got us yeah we can't okay yeah i think about like not having the computers and just in the work capacity i'm like you would just have to like imagine all the stuff that's on your computer if that all has to be in a physical uh physical representation somewhere,

I'm like, we just need filing cabinets everywhere. Oh, my God, yes. Like to try and be like, oh, bust it out. Let me get the pen and paper out on everything. I don't even know. Do you do a manual spreadsheet? What? How does that even work?

I don't even get it. You know? It's the things that, I just think about some of the simple things in our business that would literally just be a full day project. Like they're right. They're probably 30 minute things a day that we attend to. Now I'd assume in the sixties or seventies,

this will just be a full-time employee every day. Maybe on some of this, you know, on like data analyzation and stuff like that. They're just like, Oh fuck it. We're not doing that stuff. We're just not like, nobody's doing that. Like that like of course look how much money's in the bank account

i don't know if it's a positive number i guess we're good this month i feel like it couldn't have been like that but uh it makes you wonder it was probably like that in a lot more places than what you think right well it's still like that in places as is yeah true true yeah Well, it's still like that in places as is. Yeah, true, true. Okay, but okay, along those lines though. So we did end up having some giggles there. But on that line of, you know, going back to being more serious here for a second of things in our lives that were just crazy. You know, you knew where you were when it happened or this signified a major change,

a major shift in our lives. For sure. 9-11 was huge, changed so much. COVID, wherever you fall in that spectrum of it, you can't deny that it didn't change things. That absolutely did. That was one of the biggest things in our lives. What else do you think is something else in that line of this, this things were different before and after this point i would go back to that like end of 2014 beginning of 2015 there was really big things starting to form right at that part and this actually is something that's particularly local to us where if you look like uh yeah take like the there's some northeast some rumblings going on in a local YMCA.

Yeah, there's something really starting to build there at that point that I think everyone's life has just been changed drastically since that. Well, if you're listening to this, kind of, yes. If you're in the Discord, then yes, yes. That actually does pertain to you. Now, people talk about Oklahoma Cindyy bombing that's not an event like that for me i think maybe i'm just slightly too young for that to matter yeah was that in the was that in the early 90s or late 80s i think that that i don't know i'm making up 1991 i don't know

if that's right or wrong uh columbine shooting was something that certainly was big but also like maybe started to change it because that was was like, I'm no doubt. That wasn't the first school shooting ever, but that was the first one that I just like, just remember well, like the things that were going on and everything. And then the OJ Simpson trial is something like, it didn't change shit.

Do you remember that actually being on TV though? Yeah. Oh yeah. I do remember that. Yeah, I do. Do you remember that actually being on TV though? Oh yeah, I do remember that. I do remember that. I remember being seeing... It's funny, it was so in mainstream that even me as

a seven-year-old was even aware of it. That tells me how much it was in permeated all of culture because the seven-year-old like was aware that kind of like what was going on like the basics of it at least right right like i should i remember i've had no business even knowing what's going on see and i remember being a little kid and knowing the name and knowing that there was this court thing and not knowing a thing out i didn't i didn't understand he played football i didn't understand there was

a murder i didn't get any of that, but I did remember the name, but that one still, I was just a little too young for that one to click with me. If you ask about anything else that comes to me, I got to say this one's harder to put. Like, this is the line when this happened for us, but it's got to be like the iPhone too. Like how that one's just harder to put like a strong,

because there was the announcement date, but then for it to trickle into everyone's hands you know it literally wasn't even available locally here until like the iphone 3 had come out almost like you couldn't get from like a local provider because it was at&t only for like the first three years and at&t didn't exist in south dakota right it's so insane so it's not like when the iPhone, like at least for me personally, it didn't have an effect until by like the iPhone 4S was like the first iPhone that I remember a lot of people having.

That was the first smartphone I had even. But I remember the first iPhone I saw in person was when I was in college. One of our instructors, he said at times, he's like, all right, we're going to work on this for 10 minutes and whipped out an iPhone. I'm like, damn, people actually have those things. That was so crazy that someone actually had an iphone uh all the android users out there are not gonna like that no they are not go back to sending us an angry sms green bubble message green like why did you think so green you loser like oh just let me whatsapp you then i'll show you what's up i'm good uh big alex mentioned what year did you introduce me to middle class fancy that would have been on

the way to the arnold in 2019 19 yes i bet it would have been 2019 yeah well other this predates our life but was it 1979 that buddy cap set out with uh right things for the better you could say that we are another line on that timeline you know we'll just think had buddy caps not set out on a mission of his own would we even be here like that's like the butter it is the butterfly effect yeah yeah if buddy never knurled that bar, would we even be here today? Like, what if he had never stopped working for Image Barbell? Would we all be right now like, be like, oh, we just got the newest 29mm Image Barbell.

No, it's not even a 29mm. It's like, we got the newest 40mm Image Barbell with their smooth, hilly knurling on it. The whole world just never. It's like, oh, it's like I love the knurling. It's the smoothest one out there. It's so smooth and decorative. It's just purely aesthetic.

It doesn't have any functionality. Like the world has never actually figured out how to make an actual barbell. Did you ever watch the butterfly effect? I actually have not seen to make an actual barbell. Did you ever watch The Butterfly Effect? I actually have not seen that one, no. Have you seen it? Was that like Ashton Kutcher, wasn't it? Okay, that is Ashton Kutcher. Yeah, I've seen it.

That's an old, like, that's a, I saw that a long time ago. Like, what year did that movie come out? Were we in, I wonder, was I like in high school when The Butter was i like in high school i was gonna say early 2000s yeah i'm gonna look here butterfly effect have you has tommy seen it is movie question everyone butterfly effect movie 2004 yep yeah um yeah i've seen it i've seen it not since 2004, though, I would say. We've got a sack segment, I think. Unless we had any other memorable points in the timeline history. Memorable things in our life.

No, I think that's every memorable thing that's ever happened to me, honestly. Yeah, I guess that's not the right way of phrasing it. Like the cultural shift moments. Yeah yeah that's probably the majority i mean the the one to me still is 9-11 though like that's the one that everyone would uh but it's funny we have gym members now who are born after 9-11 i know it's so crazy that's crazy i'm like you wait you weren't born yet that doesn't compute it yeah it's, it's hard to believe. Okay, this sack segment just came in the mail today, hot off the press.

I had no idea what this was, but Big Big Daniel, someone could take Big Big Daniel, let's listen along in Discord if they want to. Big Big Daniel, he had told me he had ordered something that's listening along in Discord if they want to. Big, big Daniel. He had told me he had ordered something and had it sent here. It was on the way. Didn't tell me what it was. He's like, I think you'll like this.

It's pretty cool. So I had no idea. And I saw this box today. My wife had texted me and said, oh, you got something here today. I don't know what it is, but it looks interesting. So I get home and check it out and I think everyone's going to get a kick out of this. Oh, what could

it be? What could it be? I almost don't want to show you the box that it comes in because the box would probably give it away. So I maybe will keep the box a little discreet and just get one of the individual there's two things in this box in the sack segment it's really a box a twofer yeah it's a twofer okay so i'll show you the first one here i think

you're gonna like everyone's gonna like this this is from big big daniel uh that's big big daniel from virginia i believe virginia yeah big big daniel out of virginia here we go oh wow okay put that more in the center of the screen just for people watching on YouTube when that time comes. Wow. So what's the brand on that? What's it say? They're Funko.

Funko what though? And here's the box. It's a Funko. Funko Pop Yourself? Pop Yourself. box it's a it's a funko and this is pop yourself pop yourself so it's a little one of those little figurines like big head figurines of uh one of the people collective like star wars yeah it says tommy it's a it's a guy with a really large head with long blonde hair holding some dumbbells and let's see the yeah yeah i got my sunglasses on are the names backwards when you look at that or does no come across

well for for me there's yeah they should show correctly for both yeah um okay yeah tanner you have a beard so obviously it looks like you you got black sunglasses on does it have we both have black shirts and red shorts yeah i have like a bun i have my hair in like oh do you have long hair yeah yeah it has like a long bun hair yep that is awesome i got long like shoulder length hair that's great i love it those are amazing uh it's really funny we're both holding the dumbbells. Yeah, that's good. They've got our name. Our name is printed on the packaging,

so everyone knows which one's Tommy and which one's Tanner. I didn't know you could do custom ones. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know. What do we do with these? I don't know. I guess I could send you you,

and you could go on your shelf behind there, and I could put me behind me over here. At some point, maybe that's what needs to happen. Yeah. I don't know what else you'd do with them. I mean, no one. I can't be given away. I need that in my possession.

No, no, right. But it's almost a shame not to keep them together. I know, I know. It's where they're funniest together. Yes. Because otherwise people just sit and they're like, oh, you bought one of yourself. Oh, you have a figurine of yourself.

Like you creepy weirdo. But when they're together, you're like, oh, it's like a podcast thing. I get it. Maybe I need to just get a picture of Big Big Daniel to put on it and be like, no, this guy bought it for me. See, that's why he's on here. I promise.

It's this buddy of ours and he got it for us. I didn't buy it myself. This type of thing ain't my bag, baby. Austin Powers reference coming in clutch. So those are good, the Tanner and Tommy figurines. That's awesome. That's really impressive. So thank you to Big Big Daniel.

This was a very fun idea. Christmas came early this year. It did. Hopefully we can see him in person at the arnold again and thank him in six months yes yes that's funny i knew that that would be did you have any idea did you had you guessed that it was going to be no i had tiny figurines i thought you're gonna have some food item or something that was going to make me laugh, but no, that was really good. Yeah.

You know what? I've been watching a little bit of on the fitness YouTube. Oh, which you actually do know. I actually did want, I'm glad you brought this up. I actually, I'm assuming I was going to talk about it because I,

I wanted to talk about this too. Yeah. You've been watching some Sam. We don't even know Sam Sulik. Is that how you say his last name? Sam Sulik. Yeah. I've been watching some Sam. We don't even know Sam Sulik. Is that how you say his last name? Sam Sulik. Yeah. I've been watching big Sam Sulik.

He is taking YouTube literally by fitness YouTube or just even YouTube by storm at this point is what's going on. And I didn't realize you said he's gaining something like 50,000 subscribers a week. Oh yeah. Like it went from like he gained a hundred thousand and maybe like the last week actually. Damn. Um, it went from, like, he gained $100,000 in maybe, like, the last week, actually. Damn. What is he at now? He's at $858,000.

I think it was, like, $818,000, like, two days ago. Yeah, I thought when I was watching. Like, $20,000, $30,000 a day. For people that don't know, that equals a lot of money. For making a YouTube video, you know? Yeah. Um, and have you ever seen a Sam Sulik YouTube video? Uh, yes. So my first actual introduction to him, I was not familiar with him until I watched one of Mike, Dr. Mike's basically reaction videos to him working out. And I thought it was entertaining and actually

my takeaway from it was like oh this guy isn't a dumbass which a lot of the people are you know that mike watches videos of so then that's what actually made the name stick in my head and then you brought it up that oh yeah some of the guys we talked about at the gym and we like watching his stuff and then i thought okay i better go watch one of these and i made it through like half of one yesterday. They're surprisingly long videos. All of them, just looking here. Oh, they're all like 30, 35, 35, 36 minutes. These are long videos.

Oh, yeah. All of them are like, it's basically like a daily TV show is what Sam's Hulu Q is. And he has a video like every single day. And are they, so are they all basically the same format? Him talking about going to the gym? Oh, they're all exactly the same the gym? What his plan is. And then him just talking through his workout. It's him in the car on the way to the gym, him at the gym, him in the car on the way home from the gym. They're everyone I've seen is follows that exact format with maybe just like very minor differences. And it is all of that. And you might think the way I'm saying that,

I'm like, oh, it sucks. It's all the same thing. I'm like, no, I don't know. It's entertaining. That's what it is. And how old is he? Like 21 or something? He's 21 years old.

Okay. So he's a young guy. If you have no idea, he is. He's a young guy. He's jacked. He's really strong. He's jacked out of his gourd. He's big.

He doesn't look like, he doesn't have like that that slim bodybuilder waist he's just like really actually if i had to say he's more in line with like when i think back to dan green in the early 20 teens you know when you're like damn this guy has a crazy physique he's not trying to be super lean and aesthetic like a bodybuilder. He's just jacked and strong like a power lifter. That's what it makes you think of. But for anyone that's been following along with Sam Su, he's off the bulk and he's on the cut now. That's how his videos are even titled.

It's like bulk day 200, bulk day 201, bulk day 220. Now he's on like fall cut day nine. So he's on the cut. So he's going to get some freaky, freaky looking. I just had to look. What's funny about it is the way he talks though. Yeah. Like his videos are all like the central theme of every video is like going to the gym to get a freaky sick pump.

Like that's the way he talks he's like he's any but he doesn't talk but he's not like hyping anything up he's just pretty deadpan and even the whole time it does really make me think of people we go to the gym with a lot you know it does it feels like it could just be someone that's at massonomics gym that's taking things to a level that the rest of us aren't it absolutely does and he takes it serious but not too serious in that way. It's funny to me. I don't know if he's intentionally.

I don't know that he's intentionally trying to be funny, but he's aware that it's funny the way he talks because every time after his lift, he does this mirror pose thing where he shows you the pump. He's going to the gym essentially just to show you the pump from the gym. He's like, oh, yeah i the pump's almost here like i can he's like it's not quite and i was watching it thinking he's really serious at first i'm like really yeah and then finally i get done it's like oh yep now the pump's here on this one right and and he'll then when he's showing you the pump he

always has some commentary and like he has these genuine reactions where, like, he'll do a tricep workout and then he'll start showing us the pump. And he'll be like, holy shit. He's like, that is a freaky pump. I get a kick out of it. I don't know. Like, he seems almost like a little bit mature beyond his years of 21 in a way. A little more self-aware than most 21-year-olds are.

Right. Big time. And just very comfortable in his own skin. Do you know where he's actually at? Where he's located? I think he's Ohio somewhere. Okay. Of course.

Right. Yeah. It's entertaining though. I don't know. It's really authentic, I feel like. Oh, it's not though i don't know it's uh it's all it's pretty really authentic i feel like oh it's not doing anything fancy that's almost the maybe the most amazing part of it is in this day and age of how youtube is now it's the most straightforward just the camera set down there's no fancy editing no fancy sound no fancy i mean it's just here it is it's happening either like it or you don't

the very opposite of massonomics fashion it feels like he's not trying to sell you anything you know he's just uh um just wants to show you a real freaky ass pump and it's crazy i had to look you know what his oldest video is a year old or seven months seven months ago right so he's gonna be in in a week he you know in two weeks he's gonna have a million subscribers on youtube he's already has you know how hard some people like even like gold and so even people that look as freaky if not freakier than him how hard they try to do what he's doing right now. This is unrelated, but this is actually a thing that is just mind-blowing to how hard some people try. There is a group of guys that have the world's most insane car collection called the Triple F Collection.

And they're trying so hard to pump their youtube up these guys probably have over a hundred million dollars worth of cars maybe even over two or three hundred million dollars worth of cars they have so they have like every car that exists i don't know they have probably 50 cars all just the most insane things they have a whole team of people pumping out videos craziest shooting and editing all that stuff and they've been at this a while you know how many subscribers they have 300,000 370,000 subscribers right I mean they've probably pumped I don't know I wouldn't be surprised if they pump tens of millions of dollars into their YouTube channel then you have this guy that I'm assuming just has his iPhone talking to it and he will have a million subscribers here shortly. That is crazy. Yeah. It's a, it's kind of like catching lightning in a bottle or something. And I also do think,

you know, you said the reference, like it's, oh, it's just like anybody in the gym that we go and hang out with and lift with. It is like that. And it also, it also is nostalgic to me that it reminds me of YouTube fitness from like 15 years ago, you know, 10, 15 years ago when I started, when YouTube fitness stuff kind of started and I was into it at that time. And I'm like, oh yeah, it was before people find out all the, you know, figured out all these formulas of how to like maximize. Yeah. It was more of just people. It kind of actually reminds me a lot of George Lehman's videos back in the day where it's just, here's just me on my journey doing whatever. I'm not trying to do anything fancy. Let's see where this goes. And you just

follow along with what happens. He's not meeting up with people. He's not doing collaborations. He's not doing anything crazy. It's just, it is what it is. Which is fun. I mean, and he does have a freaky physique and he gets a freaky pump, but it's not really that, you know, there's a ton of people that you know there's a ton of freaky looking bodybuilders out there honestly like it so it's not that um it's just the combination of all of it i guess yeah i think it is it has to be because i mean as insane as his physique is there's a lot of people that have physiques like this. The other thing I described or somebody, I think this is what I said.

Well, he's like a gym bro, but he's also not a complete dumbass. You know what I mean? Like Dr. Mike talks about him and he's like, yeah, some of this is just kind of moving weight. And, you know, he's like, but he kind of, you know, he's on the right track for most of it. I'm like, yeah, it seems like he knows what he's doing and he's kind of a gym bro you know some of it i'm like oh i'm not sure like that's probably not science and stuff like that but it's like it doesn't have to be yeah it doesn't always sometimes you just want the freaky pump you know exactly however you get there it's just more about a freaky ass pump um yeah i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna actually see where

that goes like does it run out of steam at some point in time here or i'm gonna i'm gonna help the cause i'm i just hit subscribe right now so uh i just bumped that number up one more for him you're welcome sam should see if we get him on the podcast maybe i've already reached out uh no to know i assume i'm sure a lot of people are reaching out at the moment. Yeah, of course I reached out, but, yeah, we'll see. We'll probably almost have to get somebody that's in the inner circle. That knows somebody. Because he's probably getting way too many messages right now

to ever have ours be seen in any way. But I would love to have him on the podcast. I think it'd be great to talk to. I think it'd be super fun. Oh yeah. Yes, that would be great. I'd be very excited for that one. Yeah. It'd be nice if like just a couple of his subscribers could

like get lost on the way to his channel and subscribe to the Mathonomics YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah. It's just like so many subscribers are like falling off of his channel and subscribe to the mass YouTube channel. Yeah. Just like, it's just like so many subscribers are like falling off of his channel and landing on ours. They're like, Oh,

how did I get here? Let us all hit the subscribe button at this point in time. We'll have to go somewhere else. Yeah. The, the subscribe bucket is full. They get dumped on the massonomics instead. Yeah.

Just getting a freaky ass pump. Nothing wrong with a freaky ass pump. That's i always say no there's not what do we got sports and books this week what's going on we haven't we haven't talked sports and books for a while some just a couple things here uh we'll do the sport we'll lead with the sports did you watch actually nfl's on tonight tanner did you watch actually NFL's on a night Tanner? Did you watch any college football this past weekend? Uh, no short answer is no. I want, well,

Oh, okay. The short answer is no. What's the long answer. I'm just wondering if I, I didn't turn on a TV to watch any college football. I'm wondering if I actually saw anything about it, uh,

because I don't have K, you know, I don't have like normal tv that you watch the only thing i picked up on was uh primetime yeah and sanders the big upset uh at colorado they beat tstcu um and how people maybe doubted that he you know what what he could or couldn't do with that program or i mean, obviously, I think his recruiting is probably above average, and I'm sure that's going to be helping him out. Yeah, so this is where I was very curious.

Like, how does this play out? And we don't really talk about football much on this show, and this isn't a football segment, and I'm not going to give an educated take here at all. But just from someone that has, like, kind of just been paying attention from the way distance one was like does this whole because this is very much an experiment you know for sure to have this guy come in and basically didn't he i believe he came in and cut

like 73 players you know he just brought in he just started with a new team he basically told everyone you're gone which i remember the first time I heard that thinking like, I get it maybe at a higher level. It is a weird balance in college because like, well, this is college. These are students. They're students first and foremost, aren't they? Right. Not athletes.

So you're doing that. I mean, that's a pretty drastic move. I don't know if something like that's really ever been done to basically cut 70-some people and bring all new people in. I hadn't thought about it. It's a particularly interesting thought, though, that these are students. Yeah, that's where it was weird to me that there's a lot of them. How many of them here?

You know, D1, don't you at D1 basically all get scholarships? So they're getting scholarships to go to school here and then be like, nah, you're done, you're not on the team. You don't have a scholarship. I would assume a lot of those just don't go to school anymore, which if you are like most people in school to get a degree, it kind of fucked up your whole plan there, you know? So there was some, without a doubt, some collateral damage there. But so he goes on. All right, you're making crazy moves. You got to hope you're backing it up.

And of course, because of who he is, he's going to attract a ton of attention too and then i didn't realize that they were like 22 point underdogs that was what the line was at in vegas it was something like that uh so heavily not favored and then they come in and they win the damn game that is crazy and the takeaway i don't know if you caught any of this but kind of the one of the standout players was Travis Hunter did you see that this guy he played both sides of the ball did you see that no what position does he play he plays receiver and defensive back he had interceptions he had multiple touchdown catches the whole way through this guy was like the real deal and he played both sides of the ball I did not know that existed in college football at d at the d1 level i didn't think people did that it hardly

does i don't think it realistically hardly does although that is something i've always you know i can't coming from a small school you know the good players play both ways yeah yeah in high school yeah that's what high school happened yeah but i, and I get, like, as the sport goes on and on, it becomes more specialized, and obviously it becomes more specialized. But I'm like, but really, if someone is the best athlete on the field, isn't your team still better off,

even if they're a little more tired, if they're on both sides of the ball? Like, the best players are the, you know, like, in football, if you are an outstanding athlete you can do a lot of stuff even like if maybe your your technical proficiency at a specific position legs a little bit your exceptional athleticism can just make up for so much like if you're a if you're a defensive back and you're the fastest most agile player on the football field yeah you kind of got to know what you what what your responsibilities are but also you can just make up a lot of ground because you're the fucking king out you know you're the

best well so okay i had to look here at a stat line i don't think he had i don't think he had a touchdown but he did play receiver two um he did have an interception though and then he had another one where his hands were like on the ball. I just, at this level, you think though, it is still so fast and everyone's so good that even if you're a little tired, you're a step behind, you're just done. You know, that it seems like at the end of a game, you've played twice as much as the other guy. Wouldn't you think that would slow you down? Apparently not this guy though.

I don't know. I would still contend that if you're that, like, if apparently not this guy though i don't know i would still contend that if you're that like if you are like just a level above i'm like you're still getting breaks like but like football is uh right just yeah right you do your sprints and you're right right i mean and like that's a way over simplification and it's easy for uh lazy old fat me to say that like it's like oh there's a view sprint so then you get a breather and stuff like that but i'm like we are talking about like the best athletes in the world at the best age to be an athlete possible like some of them i feel like can probably recover from that and still yeah if he's still but like him at 90 might actually be better than the you

know next man up at 100 then yeah the whatever guy they have that was a walk-on and made the team across from him. Right. That's always been a thought to me at higher-level football that I think, but I get it. It becomes so specialized. And they do play such a long season, too. You've got to think that that fatigue adds up

by the time you're at your 12th, 13th game of the season. And increased injury risk. Yes. You're just on the field yeah just your durability yeah you by the time the season's done you've played two seasons and everyone else has played one so now all of a sudden i am i am i think everyone's just curious how this is gonna go oh i i believe well in that game you know deon sanders his son is the quarterback he set like multiple all-time Colorado records in his first game.

So already they're crushing records. And this is one that for the school from a business standpoint, God, the amount of money they probably made just off of one game of this. It's probably the best business move ever, you know. Everyone's always talking about, oh, you need the right guy in place. And it's like, well, and then everyone just hires like the same random ass coach from somewhere that was the offensive coordinator for this D2 school over here.

And now he's, but like, yeah, they took a big swing. Most times big swings don't play out, but as of right now, this one is. So it's, it's very interesting to see how that goes. Big, big Tron coming in again. He said the new NCAA rule allowed players to retire from football and maintain a scholarship at the school after a coaching change doesn't count towards the the team's 85 scholarship limit so in theory i suppose those kids could still it sounds like go to school which that's good yeah but i'm sure a lot of them still feel i want to play football though well right like and i'll buy a lot of them probably

every single one of them because you don't become a D1 college football player by kind of liking to play college football. I'm kind of a fan of football. I'll go try and play D1. Right, right. Yeah, that's all I really saw of college football. The pros start tonight. Only thing I've been paying attention to is hard knocks.

I've said it before, but that's my favorite. And you did watch this year's then? I watched the first two or three episodes but i've just been busy and haven't caught up with it since then uh that's what i've been watching that and that la laker show on hbo i every time i open up hbo yeah i see that pop up and it's very tempting i haven't started yet i had my sports life yes yes that i i do want to watch that one uh i probably won't watch hard knocks because now at this point i feel like oh it's already it's already old news it doesn't even matter right but uh i did watch the the final season of how to with john wilson i got that finished i've seen some of that too the new season yeah

yeah the new one my only takeaway from hard knocks Knocks is Aaron Rodgers is a character. You know, he's well-liked by his other players, it seems. They're like, yeah, this guy is legit. He gets along well with his teammates. How could you not like him on your team, though, unless he's a gigantic asshole? It seems like, all right, we've got one of the best guys ever playing with me.

Why would I not like this? Right. And like that is. If things go good good it's going to make us all look really good you know and he has that type of talent where that's possible for it for it it's possible for it to be all the receivers have to be like all right record year coming up big paycheck following that yes it'd be like nobody knew me they're gonna know me now uh what about books you know it's not sports and books without books uh i did not have much to report on the books side of things i was hoping you would have an update for us there i have been slowly chipping away at atlas shrugged yeah when you say slowly like how many pages are

we talking no i mean i'm really slowly chipping away i mean i haven't i haven't picked it up in over a week now so it's like about once every 10 days i get some time where i'm like oh i could actually read right now and i'll maybe get through 10 to 30 pages or something like that uh so at this rate it'll take me a lifetime to finish atlas shrugged but i'm guessing at some point in time i'll get like this i have this dream in my mind that i'll get all this extra time where i'm like now i have the time to release it down and and get through a lot of this I too have that dream Tanner and I also call it a dream yes yeah so I think I've maybe read uh um not I'm not yet to 300 pages in Atlas Shrugged so I'm not yet a third I may be a 25% done with the book which that alone is like reading a book or two.

Yeah. You're chipping away. Yeah. Someday. I can't wait for the day that I have to come on their podcast. If we continue the podcast going long enough that I can come back and say, you know what? I finished it. You're going to say, you know what?

Not only did I finish Atlas Shrugged, I watched all of the wire too. Just had so much time on my hands. I wonder the over-under would be finish reading Atlas Shrugged first or start The Wire first. Like, will I finish Atlas Shrugged before I start The Wire? Yeah, that's kind of the whole thing of that's two trains leave the station at different times. When do they intersect?

Right, right. It's a math equation what would you guess would i be more likely to finish atlas shrugged in its entirety or start the wire well with your current momentum i think you'll probably finish atlas shrugged before you start the wire i had to bet that's where i place my bet right now i gotta think so too but it's like uh by saying that by no means do i think it's a certainty that i'm gonna finish atlas shrugged anytime soon no that's how that's how uh that's how low i am on starting the wire start the wire and also starting the wire starting the wire is is just the start of the battle you

actually have to start the first 10 episodes before you can really start the wire in my opinion yeah so you have to get 10 hours deep first. I cannot make that. I can't do that kind of show right now where I need to. That's why I like How To With John Wilson. I can literally just watch one episode. And it's 30 minutes. It's so easy.

You forget how easy just 30 minutes of a show is to knock out. Yes. Yes. I agree. I'll warn you. A real interesting interview to end the show on uh john wilson for like the last episode yeah really really one that catches you by surprise i'll say like in a good way or not um i mean

uh i guess that's up to you to decide. Just so it catches you off guard. We start, my wife and I started to watch one episode one night while we were eating supper, but it was like one, it was a really gross one. It was so gross that we can't. Or something's in his ear.

Was that? That's what it was. Yeah. Same thing. I sat down with a bowl of ice cream, like cookie dough ice cream. And while I'm doing that, he's pulling chunks was. Yeah. Same thing. I sat down with a bowl of ice cream, like cookie dough ice cream. And while I'm doing that, he's pulling chunks of like crap on his ear. And I thought, oh, this is making this very not appetizing.

I did watch the, how to work. Was it how to work out? Yeah. Yeah. I forgot that was one. Yes. How to work out. Yeah.

I had to watch that one first. Cause I was like, well, I got to see this. Did he actually, you know, cause he does this thing where he ends up not even covering the thing that yeah it's it's just like a start your own adventure and that's like the starting point to go on an adventure that makes no sense so i can't remember now did it was there even much about work no there's very little about it i'm trying to think how that one even ended he did get a gym membership though and was going to the gym and got like in better shape i think he would yeah that was what he did but then i think it was one of those things where he reverts back to some bad habit but i cannot remember how that one ended now i honestly can't remember how any of them end

because from where they start to where they end it's not related at all no it's really not that's kind of the show isn't it yeah it's 100 the show that's kind of this show there's a% the show. That's kind of this show. It's a lot this show. That all reminds me. I would encourage everyone to check out Juggernaut Training Systems. They're the leader in strength. They've helped thousands of athletes from beginners to world champions maximize their results and reach their goals. They deliver principle-based coaching through cutting-edge technology to help you get the best results of your life.

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visit TexasPowerBars.com. Thanks, buddy. What? So you talked about going to the gym and using the safety squat bar and stuff. Oh, I actually forgot to say one thing about that. I've never used Elite Fts safety squat bar where the padding was so mashed out that it was actually causing physical i was doing hard sets and i

couldn't think about anything how hard the weight was because it was hurting my shoulder so bad so i actually had to flip the bar over use it upside down 100 fine then after that apparently no one uses the other side you think it's been used that much it must be the one in the massonomics gym has never in my life ever felt anything like that oh no it doesn't do that at all i've been using the safety squat bar in my training right now yeah i've never had almost as good as the day it was brand new i would say i've never had that feeling ever uh and and it wasn't just me i mean i had like uh i don't even know what those are it's like those little pressure bruises you have where the skin turns all red and kind of blistery around it.

When I got home from the gym, I had both shoulders all covered in these red marks from that bar sitting on them. Hmm. That must. I mean, I think I also could not get to squat bar is like those. Those handles thread all the way on and off, don't they? Yep. I could not get to squat bar is like those, those handles thread all the way on and off. Don't they? Yep. I could not get them to thread to tight.

You know, normally you can keep threading it to get it to tight. I could never get that to happen. Maybe it's a, maybe it's a stripped or something in there. Possibly. Yeah. They obviously,

I guess they, I don't, I don't know that we take particularly careful care of our safety squat bar at mass dynamics gym, but we apparently take better care of it than they do there with theirs. How are you liking the safety squat bars, though? Is it doing good for your squat? That's the first time I've used one since I was using it at

Massanomics gym back in probably the last time I used it would have been April ish of 2022. So it's been over a year, man. It's been a while. It has been a while. I don't know if there is a squat accessory that just makes me feel like I, I seriously feel like I'm doing a leg press when I do it. I don't even, my back's not even one part of the equation at all. I just stand up. a squat accessory that just makes me feel like i i seriously feel like i'm doing a leg press when i do it i don't even my back's not even one part of the equation at all i just stand up i stand down i squat down i stand up and it just feels like my legs are getting the craziest pump getting that freaky pump just a freaky pump of my legs they are so freaking sore today from it um and on top of that i have been just having these lingering back issues where

to get around it. I know that when it happens, I just have to back off. It's so hard for me to do this, but I just have to back off on just barbell back squats. I just have to take a step back from those, which is fine. There's tons of ways you can get leg exercises in. And so, because I didn't have a safety squat bar, I was going to front squats and it's been years since I've done front squats. And those were actually feeling pretty decent, but, and I can do, I can get into position with my elbows up. That's not a problem for me. What is the limiting factor? Honestly, when I'm in a hypertrophy block on juggernaut doing front squats is sets of eight, like oxygen actually becomes the limiting factor breathing breathing becomes the limiting factor that's uh you know they are hard they're a challenge but

at the end i feel more depleted from not being able to breathe than i do uh from like a muscle thing where now when i go to the safety squat bar i'm like damn eight these were amazing i feel like i got a great workout in i feel good i didn't feel like i was dying the whole time so it's like dying in a bad wrong yeah in a way that's limiting me before my muscles are you know right right um so i i loved it i it's actually got me very excited to hit the gym some more that and the hack squat machine just to get because before the only basically there was only so many variations that you could try to make well yeah it's like okay you can do a goblets you can do like all

right what what way can i do a squat that's not loading my back you know if because if i don't want to load my spine every single workout right what can i do there's no belt squat there's no belt squat there's no then i guess safety squat bars a lot of it but just like is there anything different and it's like well yeah you can do goblet squat but at a certain time a certain point the limiting factor is how much weight you're holding yeah it's not right i don't need i'm not trying to load a 150 pound dumbbell in front of me that's still the limiting factor is holding the damn thing not my legs right right whereas safety squat bar just feels great on my back and i can hit it hard and i'm excited for this hack squat too because i can't for me with my back issues um leg press isn't good for me because once the bar gets or

once you lower it all the way to your chest the the bottom part for me personally maybe you're different but the bottom of your back does round a little bit you know to get it's pretty hard to not do that yeah unless you're gonna like really take out the range of motion which then it kind of to me defeats the point of the leg press so um yeah i think hack squat i can i can still safely hit depth get some range and still work my legs as another accessory there so rom feeling kind of excited about things right now. I'd say things are really looking up. Things are really turning around for this guy. So, does that, like when you do the safety squat bar, like does it feel pretty good on your back then?

I don't even feel it at all. I literally feel like I didn't even work out. My back feels like it didn't work out yesterday. My legs, this is the sorest they've been in like six months. My legs are screaming today. That's what you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it screaming. What you want. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, it is. That's a good sign. I saw you repping out some high bar squats here. Was that yesterday, a couple days ago? I've only been doing high bar. I've only been doing high bar beltless squats for like six months now. Basically, just as a way to lower the load. Yep.

To give my hip a chance to be less fucked up and it is finally do you think i would almost say worked but i'll just say working so yes so that's actually the the caveat with all of my stuff too is the asterisk says working but not not has worked it's right right because there's always like you're always one day away from it like oh god yeah uh okay so do you feel like high bar actually is better on your hip than squatting low bar i don't know that what i know is the weight is less okay so i don't know if it's just because the weight is less although i'm finally getting to weights where I'm like, I'm moving weight causing me to work. Yeah. You know, like where it's not just like, uh, is my hip going to allow this, you know, like it's going to get into working weights where I'm like this, like I did a three 20 for my five by five and for like a high bar beltless,

like it's enough that when I get done like that should be you know like challenge me some bit in some way you know it's like not nothing i can't like you know i don't squat over three plates even you know when i've you know if i've squatted 600 before i don't squat over three plates and like not think about it right like it's enough weight that it requires me to make sure yeah you're thinking about all right my form's got to be dialed in i got to be doing things correctly you're not just doing like dumb rep work. Right. Right. Where like, it's not like where I could with 185, like I can do any technique and make it, you know, make it look good with 185 pounds because it's not like enough of a load, but it's getting to this, the load there where it's, uh, I'm, I'm very optimistic about it right now also that I feel like I'm on the cusp of being able to make some real progress.

And the bigger part that makes it okay and good is all along my deadlift has just been like coming back just so much better because my hip's not hurting me so I can just deadlift like normal. So I'm like by the step back and the squat, which was also negatively affecting my deadlift like normal so i'm like by the step back and the squat which was also negatively affecting my deadlift because of my hip because the deadlift does not hurt my hip near like the squat does but when my hip was extremely aggravated it did the deadlift would then also

additionally aggravated and now that my hip i've let give it time to do whatever it needs to do to not be in like a level eight pain, you know, that now I can deadlift and it just, and it feels like deadlifting. I've said that before on here. It just feels like whatever deadlifting should feel like. So I'm also additionally encouraged by going in and being able to deadlift. And I did like five plates for sets of six the other day. That's the first time I've had five plates on in a long time. Really? Is it? Yeah. And I wouldn't say it felt easy, but it also didn't feel hard. You know, it just felt like, and you didn't feel beat up the day. I mean, that's actually almost, I actually feel is how do you feel the day or two after I, I feel good in the way, like,

ah, God, I'm getting to these loads that then like afterwards i feel yeah i feel like sore and tired and but not fatigued but no but not injured and not just like oh my hip that turns into the most important metric is do i feel oh i'll take all the soreness and miserableness of getting up out of the chair if it means oh yeah things feel like they're going in the right direction so i'm encouraged you know that i could uh get where i'm you know on lower reps where i'm back up pulling like 600 pounds and it might not even hurt and then where i'm like oh if i can on squat what i'm gonna do because this is working i feel like it's working i'm not gonna just like abandon ship now and be like, all right, low bar, throw the belt on. Let's like grind some reps right here.

What I'm going to do is just still continue to really slowly nurse the squat with variations. Like that's how I like to do it though. It's like what you're talking about with the safety squat bar. It's what I'm doing with, you know, high bar belt. Take high bar as far as you can. There's no con to that right yeah right i mean the con would be you could have potentially trained harder under low bar but you're you're not really leaving anything out there right uh what i what i milestone in my mind where i get these

like sets of five ish up over three plates on my high bar then i'm like oh i gotta get to there and now i'm like oh okay i did that and it actually felt really good so now i'm like well i need to get that to like 335 that's my new thing now i'm like get that to 335 then i feel like i'm in somewhere but if i get that then i'm just gonna i'm gonna keep pushing that a little bit before i do anything as long as it's still feeling good i'm just gonna take those small victories, especially if I can continue to progress my deadlift along the way. I use the variations. Like my alternative squat day, I'm doing a safety squat bar tempo, which there again, because it just greatly reduces the load.

It does. And I can really just work on my my it gives me a chance it's kind of like technique work in a way uh because it forces me to think about my position in the slow eccentric and slow concentric and it and maybe the most important for me it like drastically reduces the load so i get extra work in without very much extra load yep yep that makes sense how's your bench in this whole equation? My bench on an unrelated note is the one not shining star right now. I have a shoulder issue right now, which I haven't had for a long time. And this is not similar to my shoulder issues that I've had, like going back five, six,

seven years ago. Okay. So that was, that's actually really good. Okay. You keep talking, but that did remind me of something. Yeah, that lingering shoulder issue that I had for years was like in my AC joint. I picked the scabs so long that it got debilitating for me

that I just couldn't bench, and I went away for over a year and kind of got that good enough that I could find ways to be able to work around this. This, honest to God around this this honest to god and this is like hashtag masters or hashtag submasters I'd really been working on my dead hang pull-ups and for like months I'd been progressing my dead hang pull-ups and I'm pretty convinced that I did something on these fucking dead hang pull-ups that my one shoulder it's not in that ac joint it's like

something deep in my shoulder and it's like in my rear and side delt and everything and it's where it's just like this ache that it's it's hard to even bench because the there's this deep ache that'll radiate down my humerus out of my shoulder that it just uh so i'm i got rid of the pull-ups i that's what i think I did it doing. Cause I was, I was really trying to focus on these really full range of motion pull-ups. They're hard. It's really hard to do that with a significant hang at the bottom. And I think it was from like, um, I don't know why once you go into gear, right.

And I don't know why, you know, you know you in my mind i thought i was doing something to you know make me make myself stronger in some weak spots in a very low risk way right right but i think that that's what it what it ultimately was so i'm cut those out which sucks because i do actually i've always liked pull-ups not that i excel at them, but I just always thought they were, um, I just, I just, I don't know. I like to try to get better at them is one of the things that was always a fun thing to be good at is pull-ups. And that's when I, when I first started juggernaut actually, even for the first, probably four or five months, I ran juggernaut last year for my like lat exercise. I was always doing pull-ups.

And there was a couple days, I've never had shoulder pain from the gym ever in my life. It's never been a thing for me. There was a couple days where doing pull-ups hurt one of my shoulders. And I'm like, what the hell's going on here? I don't even know what this feeling is. And then I cut that out and I did lat pull-downs and never looked back.

Well, then I just started doing pull-ups again like three weeks ago. So we'll see, maybe I'm playing with fire right now yeah i mean i would not normally caution people against from pull-ups because i think pull-ups are a great uh exercise to have in the toolkit and i i am a fan of them but i don't know it might just become that those are out of my rotation it's like i used to love dips a long time ago. I've started doing those again and I love doing dips now. Yeah. I think dips are, I love weighted dips, uh, going back like 10 years ago. Like that was one of my favorite, um, bench press accessory movements, you know, like as a

secondary movement or a secondary day I do could do heavy as i love to do heavy as shit dips and i thought they were fun and i thought you know you got a freaky pump out of it and uh there's fun ways to load them and i i thought they were really beneficial but i just got to a point where that's where like my ac shoulder issue is just like well those had to go because that was like that yeah yeah that was a very i didn't realize it might be dumb, but I didn't realize how you can really take until I saw Dr. Mike have videos of how you can really take a dip super deep and sit there for like a half a second, even once I started doing that, I'm like, Whoa, this is a whole nother level of dips that I didn't know existed. And that's,

uh, that's the way I've been going with them lately. Yeah. I, I dips would be another one that I think that's a great, if you can do good dips, like I think that that's, that's a win. Yeah. Oh, I was going to tell you. So you're talking about how like a different thing in your, in your shoulder hurt after the old one being gone for me, having lingering back pain for the last five years. For me, the problem always was it was flexions, like flexion intolerance. So that even to the point of even hinging, even hinging hurt. That's why I didn't do traditional straight bar deadlifts for so long. Like last year, actually, most of the year, I just did trap bar deadlifts because everything else felt good if I wasn't doing that. And I'm like, I'll take everything else feeling good if it means I got to do trap bar. Well, now things have changed where I can hinge, hinging feels super comfortable. I can even do deadlift exercise. I can bend down, touch my toes.

But for me, the, the pain it's in like, like my SI joint is where it hurts. Yeah. But I know it still is a back. It's not an SI thing. It's still a back thing because I can even take, I can have my belt on tight and just stand there. And like, if I'm like, if I'm going to brace, like let's say before I, before I deadlift and like I'm standing upright and brace,

I can brace and it will hurt in my SI joint in my butt. And I'm like, that's a, that's a back thing, right? There's something going on there that just, that's not flexion. No,

that's not even flexion, but it's not also, it's also not compression because I can load up my back and the compression part doesn't right there's just something weird and screwy going on in there but i guess my big takeaway is the thing that hurt before isn't really the thing that hurts now now this is a different thing that hurts yeah we're changing what happened yeah that is absolutely what happens it's like whack-a-mole you know you finally get one and then a new one pops up that is it goes. I'm in a weird spot now with my bench, too, where I'm like, I'm still able to limp along with it, but I should be smart enough at this point

to know, well, when I limp with it for the fifth straight week, when do I have to say, it's time to stop limping with that, and I have to address the problem and maybe not barbell bench, you know, and maybe just even one week isn't enough. Maybe I need to give it a four week break and do something alternative, which that's usually my best medicine for. Oh, it is. It is. You know, I just find an alternative for a moderate period of time and then slowly incorporate it back. That's what I find the best success with. Yes. For me, bench is probably the

one. I mean, it is absolutely the one that's going the best out of all of them. I, I, I don't know. I guess I could still for sure bench over 300. I'm just curious how close it would be to three 15 right now, which is weird that that's hung on but i the point that you had there is really good though is like it's finding that thing that's like you're on ramp that takes you back into lifting and that's just that is the hard thing though is like knowing what that is and knowing that that there's something you can reliably go to because it does change like oh this used to be my safe spot where if everything's shit i can still go to this one and know that it's going to be okay for me and i can get actual, get some work in. And while I'm getting the work

in for a few weeks, the other things are recovering and coming back. And that honestly has been for me really hard to find what that is because well, one, but my available equipment has changed, but I do think the safety squat bar is the thing that uh it's gonna be my on-ramp back well and i guess yeah something i take for granted or a perk of like being at a place like massonomics gym is there is a you know every option is available like there's no equipment limitation and also if there is and i want to see and that's what if i was at massonomics so long ago i would have been on the belt squat safety squat bar train for, I would just be like, all right, loading is going to, I'm going to ride this for four months and see what

it's like at the end of that. I wouldn't even need to, I can ride this for a month and I'll have a very good answer. I'll have a very good feeling if I'm on the right path where then it, for me, it'd been turned into this, oh, let's try front squats. And then, um, I don't know how many like variations of step ups and lunges and things like that can i do which yeah i can get a good pump but at the same time you're not a freaky ass pump you can get a freaky ass pump but you're not really moving much weight either though is the thing right so yeah that's a lot of sets and reps tuck this week isn't it

yeah it's almost like it's all just trial and error isn't it it is it is uh should we finish this episode up with a little overrated underrated yeah let's do it i just made up a little bit as we went right here so we'll uh some of these will be recurring themes wait so were these handcrafted for me or these are handcrafted for you okay yep but i did it uh as we were recording. You might not have even known it. I'm a wily old vet at this point. But also not a whole lot of originality in my topics here. It's mostly all stuff we've talked about. But this will actually be forcing you to not ride the line on these topics

and decide specific overrated, underrated, because you know about the not riding the line but the getting your druthers and everything. Yep. One horse, two asses. Yes. decide specific overrated underrated because you know about the not riding the line but getting your druthers and everything yep one horse two asses yes only one ass here so overrated or underrated uh dips exercise overrated or underrated i think dips are underrated if you would ask me actually if you would ask me a few years ago i probably would have said overrated but now that i'm because that was especially when i really cheated the range of motion and like, oh, I could do a million of these. They don't do anything.

If you really go deep with them, hit that full range of motion and even slow them down a little, they can get surprisingly hard. And you do feel good after doing them. So I think dips are underrated. I'm a big push-ups guy too. Are you? I've been doing push-ups very consistently now because especially with my uh wonky shoulder thing i found a lot of push-up variation that don't really affect it and part of it's the light load but then uh i can do different variations like deep i like to put

my hands up on uh um like say like a box on each side or what i what i kind of use oh where you get depth is i use the uh thick 45 pound bumpers yep put my hand on there so I get an extra stretch and then I'll do and exactly what you're saying actually I do a deep stretch and hold and then I do just really controlled reps with deep stretches and holds and I just uh I just am a fan of the freaky ass pump honestly it does it that's and you don't have to hold it for 10 seconds like even just a slight pause is enough to do it and the other variation i've tried a couple times now that uh big cory at the gym showed me he was doing is the safety spotter arms on our half rack i take one of the thick bands put around oh i did see you had a video

and i just hold the band and it's actually once i got done i'm like oh this actually in a lot of ways this feels kind of like doing the earthquake bar like it's that same stimulus where i'm just like because i have to stay so steady otherwise it's just going to get crazy immediately and uh so dips sort of like push-ups i would say i'm just stealing the question and answering it in my own way, I guess. But just conversation. Overrated or underrated? The Costco chicken bake. We talked about it last week.

But we didn't really put it in the context of overrated or underrated. I still think it's probably underrated. I really want to go back and have another one. It's very high on my list. I was going to go on Labor Day but costco is closed on labor day so i couldn't couldn't uh see what that's all about or refresh my senses on it i think it's underrated that's what i'm going with right now i'm going to get another one i'll have to report back on on my my findings here now that i really understand the macro profile of it well but do we really understand? That actually is the question.

I'm excited. We're going to have to talk to Dr. Mike about the Costco chicken bake and really drill into the specifics of that when we're there. Maybe we can, if there's a Costco nearby, maybe that's a video idea with Dr. Mike. We analyze the Costco chicken bake from a nutritional perspective. Yeah. It could be really good. Something to think about. Overrated or underrated?

I know it's a little early in the game to tell. There's a lot of time for this to develop, but overrated or underrated, Sam Sulik. He's just kind of like a 21-year year old kid that has a million youtube i mean probably pretty underrated right now i think the numbers indicate that he's underrated if there's that many people still going to see what's going on here uh i'm gonna be doing some more research on him this week so uh okay yeah we'll follow up next yeah we'll follow up but i'll say underrated right now from the little bit i know i was thinking about doing a youtube video on it i think we do i think we

gotta do the rise of sam sulik uh does he ever let on to his personal life like at all he goes to college um but do you ever like get a feeling for like oh he likes to do this in his spare time or anything like that no i think he just lifts he gets a freaky ass pump okay that's what i was wondering like do you ever hear oh he likes to play video games or he talks about doing this or this i haven't really picked up on any of that it's mostly been about the freaky ass pump and eat it and his nutrition okay and um maybe i'll just the slightest bit about going to school like i don't know what he goes to school for college for. That is the priority of things in life,

right? Right. Right. For yeah. Number one, the pump. Yep. Number two,

the nutrition to help you get the pump. Then three, maybe school. Yeah. Maybe if necessary. All right. Last topic, overrated or underrated.

Uh, this is worth all the marbles overrated or underrated. This is worth all the marbles. Overrated or underrated? The all-go-no-show tee. A-G-N-S. So underrated. People were just coming around to how criminally underrated this shirt was while the sale was going on. So you could say it was finally getting some of its due,

but it's still underrated. It's still a, that was really a mass dynamic sleeper shirt. If there ever was one, wasn't it? I, we, there wasn't a bigger sleeper shirt we've ever had than that one.

That is the biggest. Is that what you would say? It was the biggest sleeper. Doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. There's, we've never,

what I'd say, we've never had a shirt that sold so slowly than to make such a rapid uh short-term turnaround towards the end of its life towards that yeah so if that's not a sleeper shirt i don't know what is it's like that shirt was like that musician that just was never never could never could make it and then at the end of its life it finally had that smash hit. Then it dies and gets famous. It was just starting to get some momentum and then it died

and it was gone. I do think if you're in size maybe like large and smaller you could still get an all go no show tee but not for long. Not for long on the all go no show. It's life is coming to an end and never maybe maybe never to return again or maybe we just maybe it breathes life of its own and we just

have to bring it back to never say never i might say never to that one though yeah i don't want people to think that they can not buy that now with the chance of getting it some other day. Fool us twice. Shame on us. I'll go no show. Good news, Tommy. It looks like you passed overrated and underrated.

Awesome. I was getting worried about it. You know what that means. You know what that means you get to do. We can air this episode and I can go to bed. Well, we get to air this episode and you get a little something special i think uh for passing overrated underage oh oh the nutrition yeah is that what you get cool beans for is it for passing overrated underrated or is it for being a guest on the podcast for being a guest mostly okay I kind of actually misinterpreted

the cool words on that one. You had your druthers. That's true. Somebody's got to have their druthers. It might as well be us. Anything else we need to get out on this one? Should we put a bow on it? That's probably enough.

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let us know how it goes we'll we'll we'll all come back next week and see how it goes. We'll do a pump check next week. Thanks, everyone, for listening. Tommy, where do they find you at? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird. Just make sure to follow Mastonomics at Mastonomics. See you. We'll see you next time.