Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 392: Mike Israetel Live in Person

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

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Thank you, Juggernaut AI. Welcome, everyone, for a very special episode of the MASSANOMICS podcast. We traveled to the far reaches of... Is Michigan in the Midwest? Are we in the Midwest right now? Technically, yes. You think so? I know for a fact it's in the Midwest. Okay. But my... Jared Feather and I have had great many debates as to why the hell Michigan is in the Midwest.

And? He seems to disagree with that. What does he think it is? He thinks it's in the north because he's from Missouri. But admittedly, according to him, the Missourians are not known as a hyper-intelligent mega race with flying cars or anything like that. That seemed more like a Civil War era geographic distinction. Now we're in the North, you're in the South. You Yankees.

But yeah, technically it's the Midwest. Okay, we're kind of on we consider ourselves Midwest in South Dakota, so we're on more the eastern reaches of the Midwest. We traveled into your secret lair. We made it through the levels of all the various levels of butlers. All the fighting butlers. Yeah, some of them jump out of Lamborghinis at speed with nunchucks. It's like an army of James Bond. James Bond villain butlers. They're doing a great job.

They let you, I told the guys before, Massanomics guys are coming. Give them the show. Don't hurt anybody. Let them pass. So you guys got the easy levels. And we are excited to get here and talk to you. We've got a number of things we're going to talk to you about.

First one being we actually recorded a little video prior to this. We had you test out the chicken bake and the cheese pizza. So I'd make sure everyone checks that out. You don't want to miss the chicken bake cheese pizza. We get Mike's scientific breakdown of the Costco food court. Yeah. The Costco food court I would describe as like an American institution. It's like McDonald's.

You see the Golden Arches? You know America in the reach of thermonuclear war isn't far away. That's how I like to think of Costco. Yeah, I think that's how most people think of it actually. Okay. We have a whole bunch of stuff we want to talk to you about today, and we're going to try and not make this a five-hour podcast, so I'm just going to jump right into some hard-hitting questions right off the bat, if you're all right with that. A big debate we've been having lately on the

MathSnomics podcast with several of our more recent guests, a debate, a question, a common thread we have with everyone is, if a lifter walks into your gym, you've never seen this lifter before. You have no prior knowledge of their lifting ability whatsoever. Your goal is to be able to best gauge their overall strength by watching them perform one lift, one exercise only. You only get to watch them do this one lift and you want to best gauge their overall strength whatever you consider that to be what lift would you have them do in order for you to take your best guess that's a good question that's a really good question we've had a lot of different answers

from some uh you know we talked about that with dave yesterday there's been a really really broad way that people analyze that and think about the way that they would uh interpret it the continental clean and press well that's i think the first time we've gotten that one yeah yeah it's like i'm a sports scientist so your reasoning do you know what that is so a continental clean is where there's an extra step of the process where it's a racket on the belly. Right, right, right. Now, all I need to say to justify my opinion is that the person who I believe still owns the record for that lift with the axle at the Arnold is Zydrunas Zaviskas. I think he got like nine reps with 366 pounds or something insane in the Continental Clean and Press.

And because Zydrunas Zaviskas is the definition of several things, a grown man, Superman, and strength, period, I am interested in a debate about it with no one because it's just truth. And so if you say, how do you assess general strength? What you're actually asking by the transitive property is how do you assess someone's proximity to Zydrunas Savickas inability? And thus we leverage it according to his essentially best lift ever. And it's his best lift ever because he has beaten everyone at everything in strongman at one time or another. But at several Arnold's, and I'm sure you guys have seen all these, there were several times where he just left the entire pack behind by like a factor of two, like the next best guy got like four reps and he got nine. I remember being at one of the

Arnold's live and everyone in the crowd, it was like 90 seconds and he got like nine reps and everyone was just like, what the fuck is going on? and a lot of guys like had to do the mixed grip load switch um some guys were too athletic to have guts which is nonsense and he just did it like in such a smooth i remember one time i think for a few of the reps the first few reps he loaded it onto his gut and then the next push he just muscle snatched it and you're just like but but that is a coke can size barbell with 300 and some odd pounds on it 366 or whatever it's just pure nonsense right that motherfucker if you can do that shit you're strong and if you're like yeah but i'm not flexible i don't give a fuck get out of my face like i'm not flexible enough to do that shit, you're strong. And if you're like, yeah, but I'm not flexible, I don't give a fuck, get out of my face.

Like, I'm not flexible enough to do that lift anymore because of bodybuilding. I'm not that strong. Not in the real world, that's your shit. Like, it's just, that's it, that's the lift. And from an actual answer sports science perspective, that lift will involve a huge fraction of your muscle mass. And the continental part, I'm just cutting a little slack on

because some people like a little less it's a less technical version you're testing less speed less technique because some weightlifters will be able to clean and press more than everyone but they're not actually like as strong as you would expect someone that can clean and strict press a lot you know they're benching a fuckload you know they're bent rowing a fuckload there's just no way to get around that lift with leverage because if you have short arms, the press is easy, but the pull is hard. If you have long arms, the pull is easy,

but the press is hard as fuck. So there's just no way out of it. Because, like, some guys who... Who said deadlift? I'm sure somebody said deadlift. A lot of people want to say deadlift. We agree. Because, like, some skinny motherfucker pulling 600,

get out of my face. Exactly. Hey, what do you bench? Like, I broke 135 last week. Like, kilos? Like, no, pounds. That's the reason to both of us why deadlift is not the right answer. It's actually one of the wrongest answers.

Because deadlift involves the most trickery of all the lifts. We've gone into depth of analyzing that exact same thing. It's the easiest one to manipulate in your favor depending on your body type your different leverages oh body type I think is such a huge congratulations you have long arms and a short torso slow fucking clap

not everyone who deadlifts a lot is Ed Cohen anyway sorry to cut you off well one of the answers that's come up that I've started to kind of like to people like the idea of maybe like a high handle Anyway, sorry to cut you off. Well, one of the answers that's come up that I've started to kind of like to, people like the idea of maybe like a high-handle. Like I liked someone said high-handled farmer's carry.

I kind of start to get behind that. They say high-handle, so it like maybe removes some of the, you know, it's a lesser technique like we talked about there. There's like judging maybe some grip strength, but I don't know. Grip strength is a weird thing too. But people say high handled trap bar deadlift that's one that's come up a decent bit too so i'll say like that is a good answer yeah my retort to that is it um the limiting factor so much grip strength that it's like okay you have like some arm wrestler could probably do super well at it right it's like not that strong and all the because like your legs exist and that lift barely test your legs at all there's uh you guys are of course historians of strength yanni virtonen yeah

2000 world's strongest man year 2000 yeah it of course he's the world's strongest man no one can ever take that away but the events were very favorable to him he's a tall guy very lanky very strong it's just like finnish people are just nonsense strong for no discernible reason literally because you're like but you're not that jacked where is it coming from but if you put him on a flat press if you put him in a deep squat he's actually not that strong right and he was just insanely athletic insanely coordinated and could dead. And he had these super long arms. He could do stone loading. He could do the carry.

He would do amazing at that kind of thing. But overall, total body strength is a little bit different than even winning World's Strongest Man. True. But if you think about, like, what does it take to do a continental clean and press, you can just start checking things off. Like, weak back, you're out. Weak legs, you checking things off. Like weak back, you're out. Weak legs, you're out. Weak pushing ability, you're out. That's the three parts of your body generally already.

And grip, especially if you do it with an axle, holy fuck. There's just no way to get around that. So that's my best answer, I think. Well, regardless if it's the right answer or not, which you might be, you might have the right answer. You have given the most detailed explanation. Also, I really liked your analysis of the deadlift, which agreed with ours, so I particularly like it.

Yes. Anyone who agrees with us, we tend to like. We will now air this episode. Someone's like, strict curl. You're like, cut the fucking camera. That's not right. Oh, we've got a special treat for you here, Mike. This is actually for the gym.

You can utilize it later here. But this is massonomics specific. I've seen this at the Arnold before. Yeah, yeah. And this is a thing that is called the drink spotter. Yeah. He's not reading that off. He just knew that by heart.

I did. I've been a longtime fan of the drink spotter. It's made of aluminum, too, if you want to call it that. He just knew that by heart. I did. I've been a longtime fan of the drink spotter. And so describe it to the students. It's made of aluminum, too. Is that good? Aircraft-grade aluminum. Oh, see, that hits different. Because aluminum sounds cheap.

Yeah, but not if it's aircraft-grade. If you just say aluminum, it's like, oh, the wrong side of the tracks, people, with the houses that look like. What is that like? It's a trailer home. NASA could have literally used this to send to space. That's the great of it. I can handle the air. And then, I don't know if you're thirsty at all.

We often have a beverage, so you don't have to partake, but just in case. We know you're dieting as well, so we have a variety of options here. Whoa, what is this, beer? No, it is not. A lot of times we do have beer, but a lot of times we just have sparkling waters because people think we drink a lot of beer, but sometimes we just also like to not drink beer, so there is some sparkling

water choices here. We go from unflavored to flavored with 10 to 20 calories I believe in there. Why is it called Liquid Death? Murder your thirst. Holy shit. It's pretty hardcore. You guys associated with this brand? I assume you are in some capacity?

Not really. Not really. We do a variety of brands. It's just so much just today we the answer is no, we're not associated with them. We do a whole bunch of different brands of sparkling water. We're just sparkling water aficionados. May I? Yeah, whatever. Is there a particular flavor? I'm just going to read the back here.

Carbidated mountain water. That's interesting. Agave nectar. Natural passion fruit flavor. Natural mixed berry flavor. A citric acid. Natural hibiscus flavor. A lot of natural.

A lot of natural stuff in there. You know it's natty. Am I natty now? Also, we're so not affiliated, you could rip it apart and we wouldn't be offended by this. You could be like, oh, this sounds so stupid. And we're like, okay, maybe it's stupid. Natural flavor. Uh-oh.

That's not good. Was there a typo? Maybe. Okay. Citric acid, natural hibiscus flavor, natural flavor, natural black cherry flavor. So there's something called just natural flavor. You'd assume based on the other items in the list, there's a middle word missing in that one.

But maybe it's like MSG. It's like the thing that tastes good. MSG can just be described as flavor. So maybe there's a drink equivalent of it. So it's caffeine free. It has nominal calories. I actually 100% can drink this. Okay.

And that sounds really awesome. And that one's the flavor there's that i believe what's that flavor this is bury it alive this is severed lime holy shit mango chainsaw and water this one's water flavored i think i actually love sparkling water and i get shit for my friends of like, why? And I just, I don't know. It's just, I don't drink alcohol, but I like it when in the movies people drink alcohol. Yes. And they put down the drink and they're like, ah. It hits.

The little bubbles, they burn a little bit. And to me, it's like a pretend alcohol. When you guys were kids, did you pretend to smoke cigarettes? Oh, yeah. Everyone did. Adult equivalent. I absolutely agree with that. Tommy, are you after one?

I think I'll go lime today. I'm just going to. You know what? I'm going to do. I'm going to put my protein shaker of decaf coffee with Splenda. Okay. Because I'm a man of culture. And is it okay if I keep this one and yeah a few absolutely later

yes absolutely you do your thing yes later this weekend i'll be high on drugs and i will drink some of these and it'll be amazing it'll be like oh the bubbles hit different now this is great is it available at the store yeah that's where we just got on the way over here you know and uh really make sure we stay refreshed while we're recording gas station fuck out of here that's awesome i've never seen this shit yeah they're kind of taking the drink world by storm at the moment we i love it do you have a brand of sparkling water that you do like to have or do you just not give it whatever you whatever's in the fridge or yeah so that's a funny question my dad uh so i'm from russia and so is my family, obviously. And we drink a Georgian,

not Georgia, the state, not whatever sound they make in Georgia. Right. Yeah. The country, they have, um,

an excellent water, uh, uh, called barjomi. Does it have natural flavors in it? It's all natural. And it comes from like some kind of fucking like a natural spring or some shit like that. It also has like quite a bit of mineral in it. It's all natural, and it comes from some kind of fucking natural spring or some shit like that. It also has quite a bit of mineral in it, so it tastes a little salty.

It's like a real man's sparkling water. So how do you get it? Like if we wanted to get it. Go to Georgia. That's the way to, okay. You go to your, if you live in a major metropolitan area in the United States, don't. I don't know uh there should be a oftentimes there's like a european store where they'll sell like polish shit russian shit okay you'll get the

water and the name again uh how would you pronounce it barjomi okay barjomi we will be because we are kind of sewers and we like to yes yes send me. Send me a DM and I'll throw in some shit. And there's a couple of other, there's one from like Slovakia that's also really good. And by really good, I mean like it'll throw you off. You're like, whoa, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Okay. Put that one on the list.

Should we, it might with the food question, the list, the ranking. Oh, yes. Yes. So we've already talked about food a fair amount on this show, and we had a very important food question for you, and we wanted to know if you could rank these three phallic-shaped foods for us. What is the metric on which I'm ranking? That's up to you to decide.

Excellent. I love it. We're just giving them. You can provide the additional context here. We're just giving them subject to provide the additional context here. And these three items will be hot dogs, bananas, and we had a little debate on the third one, Tanner. What do we want the third one to be? I guess I was leaning towards cucumbers. Okay.

We'll say hot dogs, bananas, and cucumbers. Rank those three phallic-shaped foods. Okay. So actually, that is a really interesting assortment of foods because I have a fun story about each one of them. We picked the right three. Yes, and ironically, for our last conversation, they're stories related to Russia. Russia's doing so well in the media now with them losing the war and all. Time to uplift the Russian peoples, and by that I mean further degrade them.

So the first one, hot dog. I used to love hot dogs in Russia. We did not have hot dog buns. Hot dogs were just foods you boiled in a pot of boiling water. And then you sometimes would cut them up and eat them with potatoes or something like that. Or you would fry them with cabbage and eat them like that yes russian food is awful and so i got to eating communist hot dogs and then my our first day in america in 1991 i was exposed to the american hot dog and my first opinion about it was that it was much softer to chew than the russian version even even softer than a boiled hot dog yes okay uh and uh remember this is communist food so it's barely edible right

and it was uh actually tasted it was thicker girthier shorter kind of like me though i'm also not girthy hashtag short king where short kings. Where it counts. Yes. And it was spicier. It actually tasted spicy because Russian food, at least at the time, was totally bereft of anything as spicy. My grandma tried her first piece of pizza in the United States

and couldn't eat it because it was too spicy. Too much. This was just regular pizza from Domino's. So she might have been one of those people where ketchup was too spicy. Oh, absolutely. That's interesting. Yes, yes. And and then so that's my hot dog story i'll rank it in a second banana story is also in communist russia bananas were only available seasonally and in very short supply and so you would buy as many of them as possible as you could afford at the local walmart for 79 cents a pound yes lol at the local government food dispensary for bribe the guy amount and we would get a ton

of green bananas like green green green not ripe remotely and we would put them all over the apartment people in russia typically did not own homes at the time ownership was considered a crime because private property was a crime you You know, typical communist things. And so the bananas, we would have dozens of them under our beds and stuff like that, and we would let them ripen for days and sometimes longer, and then we would eat them. And compared to the regular Russian fare,

bananas tasted like ecstasy in a banana shape, which I guess there are a few things that are ecstatic in a banana shape. Isn't that right, fellas? So people are used to vine-ripened shape. Isn't that right, fellas? Yes. So people are used to vine-ripened tomatoes. You had bed-ripened bananas. Correct.

Yes. It doesn't really roll off the tongue. Not quite. Yeah. There might be something there. Yes. And I remember bananas being absolutely one of my favorite foods when I was in Russia. And then when we came to America, we realized that even though we had almost no money, bananas

were functionally free. Yeah. realized that even though we had almost no money bananas were functionally free yeah and uh i must have eaten several dozen bananas in the first week and developed a long-term aversion to bananas so i just i can eat a banana if i need the macros or something like i'm at a gas station i have a protein shake i'm going hypo and i need carbs and like they run out of pretzels or something, I fucking get some bananas. I will put them in my mouth sensually, of course. Of course. There is a way to eat a banana. There's the proper way.

And then I'll just be like, I'll deal with it. But I used to love them and I don't anymore because I've essentially overdosed on bananas. And then cucumbers, when we first moved to America, I went to summer day camp. Jewish summer day camp where I was also not the best athlete, if you can imagine.

That's a low bar, folks. And my mom had to pack me a lunch, except in Russia you didn't pack lunches, and lunch wasn't a meal that we ate. So she didn't really know what to pack, so I think she gave me like a hard-boiled egg, maybe like a piece of bread, another thing, and then a cucumber.

And I remember eating the cucumber and crying because I missed my mommy because I loved her so much. So all Russia related stories, I would say that cucumbers are rank one because they are crisp. If you bite into a cucumber and it's soft you can you can watch me throw like that that is gross that out of those yeah but a crisp cold cucumber when i when i get the cucumber around my face i like to i like to just kind of you know tap it like they do in the

adult films a little play never hurt anybody and It's the anticipation. Oh my God. And the crunch is the definition of ASMR. And so that's rank one. I'd have to say, oh man, this is tough. Bananas are rank two because there's so many great foods that are made with bananas. And especially when you're craving something sugary but healthy like a banana sweet as fuck it'll knock you out and there's there's an asmr thing too to the feel of peeling one and it so perfectly comes like who proof of god right there evolution didn't make that

god did it god damn it because it comes out so perfectly out of the wrapper and then you know the proper way to peel it is by the short, nubby end. That's how I do it. Okay. I bite off the short, nubby end, and then I go... You get a much better peel off. You don't bend off the... The long...

No, the monkeys do it with... They do. They take the short end. Now, I will say I do have some reservations, but I've heard the monkeys do it off that end before. I actually have no factual factual knowledge yes do that other than people say let's just assume it's true okay okay uh people have told me that as because when they see me bite into a banana and then peel it they're like what the fuck are you doing

and inevitably someone in the group was like i don't know it's all right dr mike's actually head of the pack you know monkeys do it that's what makes you really yeah monkeys also eat their own shit and rape and kill everything they see when they feel like it. So that is not exactly a validation. It's natural. It kind of feels like maybe in the field of bananas. Monkeys have some expertise. It's like their one field of expertise. Let's find out what they're good at with bananas.

They're good at eating them, and that's it. So they're not even experts at that. They're not horticulturalists. Monkeys know approximately nothing. They're not growing and harvesting them. No, they're not like exquisitely. They're not horticulturalists. Monkeys know approximately nothing. Growing and harvesting them. No, they're not like exquisitely. Yeah, they have like some kind of wine tasting sommelier feel for it all. This banana,

this is clearly from western Venezuela. You're like, how did it know? There's none of that. And then the hot dog. Gee, the hot dog, you know. I used to assume there were gradations of hot dog that made some hot dogs not terrible, but it's kind of like if you were going to eat a piece of,

I'm allowed to swear and say all kinds of things, if you were going to eat some kind of shit out of your own fucking toilet, do you prefer one over the other? It's a moot point. Hot dogs suck, and if you have some beef with me on that, good, because beef is what hot dogs do not contain, because they contain, I like, there was a Simpsons episode

where they showed what was in a hot dog, and it was like all the animals mixed together, and then like someone fell into the combine and got mixed right in, shoo. Yeah, yeah. So hot dogs suck, and the macros are just awful. And I used to like, so someone was like, I was, I was at like a, I suppose like a, like a party, it's a party party for little kids when I was like 12 and I was like, yeah, a

hot dog. And they were like, no, no, no. They're kosher hot dogs. And I was like, well, I'm a fucking Jew. Yeah. Kosher food typically tastes awful. So I was like already like, this is bad. But you don't know.

And they were huge. They were way bigger and redder and fuller looking. These were the high quality hot dogs that my parents couldn't afford to buy. Is it Jewish National or something? Isn't there? Hebrew National. Hebrew National, yes.

That was the very brand. And no offense, Hebrew National. I just don't like hot dogs. But I was expecting, well, this is going to change my mind. And then I bit into it, and then it was like, it's even saltier than a regular hot dog and entirely as usual, bereft of any flavor. And I was upset. And I, of course I finished the hot dogs, you finish your food, but I was like, never again. And I,

it'd been a long time since I've eaten a fucking hot dog. And I will say another thing while we're on the subject there, like you could say something compares to something else and only be right in technicality, but not in the feel of the thing. Like your own go-kart is technically a mode of transportation, just like a Lamborghini. But that's really kind of where the comparisons end. The Lamborghini of hot dog shaped foods that are meat based is the cheddar brat. Now the cheddar brat is, again, proof of the undeniable existence of God because how can you make something so fucking perfect?

It's like if someone told you, like, hey, I've driven a car before. It's not that fun. You put them in a Lambo, they're like, what the fuck? I've been lied to. There are cars like this. If someone's like, oh, I don't really like hot dogs or brats or anything, try a cheddar brat and you just you give them one and you stand back and watch

the magic happen and they first bite into it the cheese oozes and and they're like oh oh god and they don't know who they are they don't know their name anymore they don't know where they belong in the world all they know is ecstasy and it exists at the very end of this penis-like object the cheddar brat knows no defeat the thing you have this penis like object the cheddar brat knows no defeat the thing you have to be careful with the cheddar brats is when you're cooking them on the grill that little that first little piece of cheese starts to escape it's like pouring gasoline it really is it starts the fire and it fucking melts the whole bra that's how you know the magic is happening yes yes somehow there's like a way to cut into it to see how much bubbliness and they're like, oh, it's done.

Do you guys grill at all? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm not, you know, some people grill. There's definitely guys that think that's part of their identity. That's not me. For me, it's just a way to cook food.

I use my grill to make my food. I think a part of the reason why I went so heavy into getting jacked and like combat sport and stuff like that is so that I could not need to overcompensate with manliness in any other way because I'm a man in no other way except maybe those two. That's a fair, right. And so like, I just refuse to partake in the bullshittery that occurs around a grill with other guys because it's one of these things,

man, there's like two types of bullshit that you'll see with guys when guys just layer in just nonsense. One is watching MMA. Like everyone has an opinion. Shut the fuck up. Every guy that wrestled in middle school is now this grappling expert. Like that's,

that's a high level expert to me. There's guys, most guys have never been in a fight in their entire lives or any combat sport. They'll gladly tell you why Connor should just get up against Habib, even though no one can get up when Habib is holding him down. No worries. The same thing occurs at the grill, where guys will gather and everyone has their interesting idea about how to figure out if the steak is done,

hot dogs, hamburgers, brats, like, you gotta cut into it, man. Nah, that's not done yet. And all the guys hold their beers like, yep, yep, yep. And I'm just standing there like, Mike're like, Mike, I'm like, I don't fucking know. Do I look like a fucking cooking expert? If there's no microwave around, I don't know how it works. And you know what, fellas?

Real talk, I don't know how a microwave works either. I just know it does. And that's all I have to know. I think most of us don't know how a microwave works. I have no idea. You push the button. The buttons make the energy go into the food and it creates happiness.

It does. It's funny. I think if a lot of people had a chance to talk with you for a couple hours, you're well respected in the fields of training and nutrition. You know, you're kind of a, you have an expert mind and people enjoy hearing you talk about it and we like to ask you about

penis shaped foods. That's how we check in to our time. The opposite of expertise. I did have one question that's semi in the realm of like a real question. Do we do those all the time on one question that's semi in the realm of like a real question. Do we do those all the time on YouTube anyway? Well, this is semi in the realm. Yeah, yeah.

So you talk about range of motion a lot and about form and technique and the way you do, you know, there's different ways, technique to do different lifts. And what I wondered is, take a lift, for example, we'll say like a row, a barbell row or some version of a row. we'll say like a row, a barbell row or some version of a row. Does your reason for lifting, you know, what you're training for, does it affect what is optimal technique on a lift like that? Or is the optimal technique on a lift like that always the optimal technique? And I say different reasons for training. Maybe one person is a competitive bodybuilder. Maybe the other person is a competitive powerlifter. Yeah. In the row specifically or just lifts in general?

I'm kind of thinking in general, but the row is just one that comes to my mind that maybe there's differences. Pardon me. Pardon me. It's the coffee. Yes, yes. The answer is generally yes.

So for example, just an easier example is one with less nuance. The squat. If you squat for powerlifting, it's actually a different exercise. It's the low bar squat. And if you high bar squat because you're too big to grab the bar, too inflexible, it's still very different squat. You sit much more back than you sit down. You cut your depth at just below parallel. There's definitely absolutely different techniques for the same lift. Bench press, huge one. You bench for hypertrophy. It looks a little bit different than if you bench press for

just benching a lot. So there are definitely ways of doing that. What I would say is something like a bent row, which is not a competitive movement. It's technically either an assistance movement or whatever bodybuilder, just a movement assistance, accessory, et cetera. What I like to have people who bring up this point seriously in a discussion, have them do is walk along the logic tree of why are we doing this? Because people say it's an accessory. Like, yes, yes. Why do we do accessories? Now, there are many different answers to that question. One of them is like, well, I want to get a more muscular back. Well, then you really train it kind of like a bodybuilder would hypertrophy. If there are other reasons you're

doing the bent row, I would like to hear about them, and then maybe technique modification is in order. But I feel like sometimes guys will do lifts, especially accessory work in strength sports, and they just file it as accessory work, and they kind of forget why they're doing it. And they'll do tricep pushdowns, and they'll use a shitload of weight with shitty technique and shitty ROM.

And I'll be like, why are you doing that? They're like, well, accessory work. I'm like, okay, so what does that do? And they're like, it accessorizes. You're a fucking idiot, sir. But a lot of times they'd be like, well, I'm trying to get like, I guess, stronger triceps. I'm like, really, you're doing sets of 12. That's how you build strength. They're like, okay, let me walk that back. I'm trying to get bigger triceps. Like, I got you. You know, we've pretty much figured out what good technique looks like for optimal size to keep your joints not from exploding. You do enough joint exploding with your other lifts because you're

actually a power lifter a strongman or whatever and they're like okay yeah usually think about it for a little bit and i was actually on a table talk like you guys were with dave tate we walked through this whole process okay and dave was fully in agreement like stop ego lifting your accessories you fucking idiots that's what your main lifts are for right and you don't do bad technique on those so uh there absolutely is reasoning for modifying your technique but you gotta have some fucking reasoning not just like yeah it's just what i do not just because no i'm a power lifter so i do it this way right yeah so i can use more weight like that's what this exercise that's what the jm process for is to use the most weight why don't you just close grip bench at that point?

Right, right. All right. I take that back. That's a good point. Yeah. That was our one serious question. So thank you for. Right.

On to the next. Wrap it up. Leading up to, I believe it was your last bodybuilding show, you had some pretty infamous meals that were posted to your Instagram account during that time and describe them. A mix of... I think meal is a generous term of all of that. A source of food. Foods that were consumed, I guess I should say. That you randomly set together on a plate is what it looks like.

It was a mix of protein bars, tortilla shells were those mixed in there too. It was just a collection of food that I think people don't typically find appealing in a group together. And there were some interesting reactions to those when they were posted online. Yes. So I can explain. The way I choose my foods is via several variables. The number one is, does the meal meet my macronutrient requirements for that meal? And that's straightforward.

And now you can get pretty funky meeting some macros. The next is, are the foods readily available? Another huge funnel of what could be to what is. The other thing, and this is the one that explains a lot, convenience. I'm not trying to cook anything fuck that i'm trying to have foods that are ideally pre-made or require minimal preparation and yet another funnel which is a really really really big mind fuck is something termed the food palatability reward hypothesis it's a very strong and is this a thing you have made or is this no

no i can't take that okay this is uh I don't know who made it, but Stefan... Say it again, the food palatability. Food palatability reward hypothesis, FPRH. Stefan Guine is an excellent scientist, actual scientist, and he's popularized it. I don't know if he came up with it, but he's definitely popularized it. He's been on the Joe Rogan podcast and stuff like that.

It is proposing something that as soon as i tell it to you guys you guys will be like oh yeah fuck of course that's got a name if you eat really tasty foods when you're starving to death it makes you want to eat more tasty foods and drives you insane like having half a slice of pizza on a diet is the fucking stupidest idea in the world that's a lot of reason why bodybuilders eat like chicken broccoli and rice is because there's only so much of that you're gonna wanna eat. When you're starving to death, you meet your macros of that. Someone's like, do you want more of that?

And you're like, nah, I'm good. And that keeps you sane. It keeps your stress levels down. It keeps you not hungry so you can fall asleep and have a good night's rest. So a lot of these meals I do intentionally with not so great tasting foods that are awkwardly paired, that hit my macros,

they're convenient, and they meet the very low end of the FPRH. They're intentionally designed to be very low palatable. The egg wraps that I eat, phenomenal macros. They taste like eating printer paper and not high quality printer paper. The shit with the little dots on the other end, you got to pull off that shit. Yes, absolutely. What are the macros on something like that? So the egg wraps, each egg wrap has six grams of protein

and roughly zero fat and zero carbs. So how many of those would you eat at a time? Like six. Ooh, yeah. Okay. Six pieces of paper. Yes, it's work. You really got to try.

And so the protein bars, look, I love Pure Protein, the brand. I have a container of like maybe 90 Pure Protein bars in my kitchen right now. I'm a longtime customer, huge fan. But if you had to rank all the protein bars on sheer taste, nobody ever craven a Pure Protein bar. You feel me? It's like if you take like if airlines provided macro-friendly food you that's what you would get in like economy class or if you had like a cage in the bottom of the plane for a dog you would like throw some pure protein bars at it and so i eat those and i eat the egg wraps and i

have like a diet soda with it uh and and voila like that's a meal that i can eat and it at that point when i'm starving to death, it actually is not entirely unpleasant, but it hits, it squashes my hunger just enough for me to be able to go to sleep and not try to eat my own eyeballs or something like that. And that is entirely the reason front to back why I eat weird foods like that. So I just want to ask one more question to circle back around to that. So when you're dieting, would you say in a choice between two foods that might have similar macros, would you intentionally choose ever a less palatable food for that reason then to fit what you're saying then? Yes. Okay. So it depends on where you are in your diet and how hungry you are. Right. If you generally, you

should be able to enjoy your food at least a little bit, but not enjoy it so much that it drives you crazy that you want more. And that applies to essentially almost all phases of dieting process. Now on a muscle gain phase, especially if you're trying to bulk bulk and you're not a big eater, you got to eat tastier foods. Otherwise you're going to get nowhere, you know, like a hundred and 130 pound kid, like trying to bulk on fucking white rice and broccoli and chicken. Like you're a fucking idiot kid. kid That's gonna take you fucking nowhere. So, you know Sam Sulik. He gets a lot of flack for eating like burritos and stuff I think he got to 260 fucking pounds. Yes. Shut the fuck up And I like one of the critiques rendered against him is like man, it's still slick. It's not what bodybuilders eat I see so other than monkey see, monkey do, you fucking idiot,

do you have any technical critique? Oh, you're in my world now. Oh, you're a food scientist? You're a nutritionist? Shut the fuck up. Do Tren. Nod like a gorilla up and down. And get the fuck out of my face.

Don't confuse yourself with a thinking individual. You're going to criticize someone for eating food. You should know things about it. So a lot of times in the bro community, bros will just do bro shit. And if you don't do bro shit you're evil it's like it's like wearing like uh some kind of like a skirt that like cuts sideways in the 1950s you know women will be like oh how could she i mean exactly what's wrong with that like it's just not something we do and i don't know how to contextualize it amazing brenda thank you so much for your fucking useless opinion. So, yeah, there's a time

to eat tastier foods. Now, you can do it in a healthier way. Like, food flavorings usually are totally calorie-free. Like, have some fucking, you know, the Hispanic peoples have yellow rice. I mean, that fucking just tastes better than white rice.

It fucking does. I don't know what's yellow about it, but the macros are roughly the same. Eat that shit, you know? As you get into maintenance dieting, you'll start eating more normal normal foods and if you're in a situation where you're at the end of a fat loss phase yeah you might have to eat some foods that aren't that tasty which is when a lot of bodybuilders eat like you know fish and fucking kale and whole grain bread or some shit and nobody wants to eat that like kai eating, like, a pound of fish per meal

at some point at the end of his prep. Like, that's a labor of love or hate at that point. A fish market up in his house. Oh, yeah. It must smell quite fishy. Grapefruit, too. I don't think he was eating it. Motherfucker.

He can't live without that grapefruit. What I want to see is somebody with balls big enough to say that shit to his face. Oh, yeah. I would not say that. Could you imagine? No. Like, there is a degree of muscular black man, beyond which you just don't talk shit to, unless you have, like, an aimed firearm.

Yeah. So, yeah. People are always like, oh, fuck, grapefruit, am I right? Like, shut the fuck up. Also, Kai Green's loaded. And did you guys see that video am I right like shut the fuck not also high greens loaded And did you guys see that video? I didn't but I was inclined to believe his dick is enormous I I want to see I want I want actually Somebody to like get the ball say to his face be like dope the grapefruit and I want Kai to be like yes

I had sex with a grapefruit for money and I have an enormous penis and the guy to just be like yeah Did you like seeing that video? You fucking word that starts with an F we used to say in the 90s that'll get us canceled now. And then there would be no retort to that. Yeah. That's fair.

I have that video on repeat on my phone. It's actually my home screen. You know, like the home screen that's a video. It's not. Yeah. It's just always gone. Yeah.

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i'm curious what kind of music do you like to listen to what do you listen to while you're training silence do you i get so much shit for it. That's why I wondered if you, what, so. No, no noise of any, you're just out there in complete silence

the entire time. Almost always, unless it's like a peak workout, like last week, the last half of the last week, especially towards the end of the diet, I'll turn on some music. We have a,

totally, when we go in there later, you guys can Bluetooth right into the speaker system. Scott, the video guy, is actually a formerly trained college graduate audio engineer so he wired the gym to have cool speakers and so really i'm sitting on a pot of gold i just do nothing with because a lot

of people would love to train in the gym where they just have total control over the audio and it's a speaker system setup but um to, music comes in roughly one of two categories. This is maybe the most autistic thing you'll ever hear in real life. Music that I love that makes me feel great and annoying noise I would rather not hear. So would you say that that annoying noise you'd rather not hear, does that fall into the camp of

it all sounds the same to me? I wish I was that old Nebraska man with a mustache. That's what we like. I tell you what, man, this rap music nowadays. Actually, a funny, very related story. Scott, the video guy, and I were at a University of Las Vegas, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, soccer game because my wife was a team

physician for UNLV and she was there and we got in and we were able to watch a soccer game, a D1 soccer, female soccer. It's pretty dope. They do shit. I'm like, holy shit, like I've got a whole gender advantage here and I'm going to be useless on that field. So it was kind of cool. But like the home team, they get to play their like pump up tracks in between like when the refs are making a call there's a little break and i turned to scott because it was like the most ratchet shit in the world i'm talking about the n word every other word describing sexual acts that are also criminal at the same time like the the literal like how to execute a drug deal described in bullet point order and

and we look over and i was like scott how is this playing and you look at the crowd and it's mostly like parents of the athletes just like karen's in their 50s and they're like bebop and they're like and scott was like mike listen i have this problem solved past a certain age you don't understand the words of the hip-hop music of the prior generation. Like 2 Live Crew, you guys know 2 Live Crew? I understand everything they're fucking saying. You can't play 2 Live Crew

because all those people in the audience would be like, I know this. You can't play this around children. You know, those little brothers and sisters of the soccer girls are there. You can't,

2 Live Crew, good God. But you play some, I don't know, whatever the fuck, like mumble rap, and nobody knows. So definitely a lot of music, I'm just some like i don't know whatever the fuck like uh mumble rap and like nobody knows so i'm definitely a lot of music i'm just like i don't care but here but but i prefer not to know because the worst is we trained at a gym they just took a normal

commercial gym in las vegas for a year when i was there a few years back and they would have like the same gym track on repeat it was roughly i think they maybe make like an hour and a half of music and they had the music videos licensed too so they play them on the screens was roughly i think they maybe make like an hour and a half of music and they had the music videos licensed to say play them on the screens and like i i knew the lyrics to many of these songs and i was like god damn it get the fuck out of my head and i knew the music videos i just didn't want to know any of the stuff and here's the fucking irony anytime they play gym music nowadays in almost any gym that's commercial i i just want to come up to the gym owner and be like excuse me look out on your gym floor you'd be like yes what fraction of people are wearing headphones you'd be like it seems about 95 yeah why do we have music on for the love of fucking god just

turn it off and if anyone's like hey can we get some music in here like yes get your ipod headphones turn them shits on and get the fuck out of my face. So yeah, I have a real love-hate hate-hate relationship with gym music. So mostly I train to silence. Also, there is a technical reason maybe not why I do it, but justifiably I've got stuff to pay attention to.

When I'm lifting, I pay attention to the lifting. People are like, how can you do bent rows with no music? I'm like, there's a lot going on. I'm in pain. I have to do good technique while I'm in pain. I have to be a tough guy and try. I don't need music. It's just a distraction from all that. Weird.

Your gym here, in your videos on YouTube, you say something sometimes that maybe for the listener it's hard to tell. Is this another joke is this real that's exactly how i like did you know that you confused people sometimes yeah oh yes it's all intentional there's one time talking about your gym uh you made a comment like uh

oh the neighbors thought we were putting up a grow house or something like that was that a true story okay i wondered that seemed like maybe there was an element of truth yes one of the neighbors uh uh didn't like that we were building a structure, and so they reported us because they told the inspection committee that our house was ostensibly too close to the body of water next to which we were building it, because there's a fucking random regulation. Of course, why not? And so the guy came out and looked at it.

He literally did this. I don't know if I should be saying this on air. Fuck it. It's not like I'm identifying the guy. He literally walked out, and just like walked across the driving. It was like, yep, you're good. Because it was like an order of magnitude far enough away where he was like, this is nonsense. Right.

He's just like, and my technically I have a landlord. Yeah. So my landlord, I can explain why. Okay. Yeah. That's all right yeah in any case uh my landlord's like so that's it and the guy was like yep and he was like so what's up with them like calling for us and the guy was just like he just real talked us he took off his professional

hat like representative of the government hat he was like people just do that yeah and we were like yeah makes sense yeah and that was that. And I think they also thought like, I think the guy thought like either it's too close and or it's a grow house for marijuana. Because apparently in this part of Michigan, a lot of people, it's legal to grow marijuana. You have to get a few permits or whatever. And they were asking like, is this a grow house?

And I was like, it's only for growing muscle. And they didn't know who Arnold was. It's not marijuana. Though I do use marijuana. I'm not trying to grow my own shit. If I got it, we'll buy it. Yeah.

There's a store. Yeah. Okay. That's good. We're all married men, but sometimes you give interesting tips and stuff for those that aren't. What, what do you have?

Like a couple of really good tips for like the single man trying to pursue someone from the opposite? Yeah. We figured we'd go right to the source. The ladies' man. The ladies' man. Yes, yes. This is an old SNL skit, the ladies' man.

That's right. Yeah. Yes, I consider myself an armchair amateur expert of the pickup arts. Number one tip off the top of my head is learn to masturbate well because it's a no-f fail policy. You go to the club, you're trying to get you some, it doesn't work. You're still winning at home. You know, if you don't know how to take care of yourself, really? Um, what are you doing? You just didn't think it through. You know, try to look as pathetic as possible. Men are not sympathetic creatures. Men see weakness as, well, weakness, and they don't like it. Think about when women see, like, this is even a terrible thought,

a bulldog puppy with, like, a hurt paw. Yeah. Oh, my God. And they bring that motherfucker right up to their titties. Oh, my God, I want to love it forever. And they scratch its belly. Wouldn't that be nice if they did that to you? So if you're at the club, just try to look as pathetic as possible. Looks like you just came in right off the street.

Off the street. Try to limp a little bit. Do one of these. Face like. Pout. Beg. I love to beg. Because a real woman knows that a real man is not afraid to beg,

but also seem like you're afraid because you've been so abused. You just need someone's love to heal all of your wounds. Plus, bitches love a fixer-upper. Am I right? I can change him. Bitch, I got a lot for you to change about me. My mistakes have mistakes. My problems have problems.

My therapist, I'm a therapist number five. Four motherfuckers quit. One of them killed himself just for my stories alone. Like, no, I cannot take this. Nope, I'm out. Cash me out, God. That's what he said before he shot himself right in front of me at the office. Blood splattered.

Well, you know the rest. You guys have been around suicides before, I'm sure. Yeah. In real life. More than our fair share. More than I care to admit in public. We live in South Dakota. Things are tough out there.

That's right. Like, oh, it's another cold day. Fuck that. I'm out. No, wait. I'll talk to someone close by. JK, there's no one around and I'm out. So, yeah. Just try to be as pathetic as possible. Begging is great. Groveling. Insulting yourself. Women love it. They can't get enough. Okay, so is this e-book coming out

soon? It's going to actually be like a course. It's like a book you read, but do this e-book coming out soon? It's going to actually be like a course. It's a digital course. It's like a book you read, but do you really get a chance to? Because there's quizzes, there's videos. Oh, another really quick story while we're on the subject of nothing. I did a boo-boo, and I was coming off the freeway, and there was a stop sign.

And I was making a right turn t intersection this was up north in michigan where there is nothing and no one except for one police officer parked 500 meters to my left and i did a fucking country stop like we all fucking do and i i 100 checked to make sure it was safe by the way there were no cars for forever and i turned and he fucking got me and they were like hey like you can have points on your license. And then I don't care about that. But then my wife was like, hey, idiot, that's more money for insurance. And I'm like, oh, in my Judaism, instantly they had like a recoil.

Like, hi, hi. So I am now taking an online driver's training course. Really? Yes. And there are embedded videos from, I believe, 1977 or something. And they are magical. I was like, oh, this is such a waste of my time. And then I watched the video and I was like, this is a great use of my time.

And they teach you about proper road safety. And it was one of these where it was like, apparently actors I'm supposed to know from that era, but I don't. And they have like a natural interaction. I'm supposed to know from that era, but I don't. And they have like a, like a natural interaction. And, and, and, and, and the, the guy's like, and you know what? Signaling to turn is really just super important. Isn't that right, Karen?

And she's like, that's right, Bob. And you know what else is important? And they have this like conversation so that you can learn how to not be an idiot on the road. And I was just like, wow, someone made this course and someone is proud of making it. And then I just plugged the whole thing into chat GPT and it just solves all the fucking problems. I'm not taking that fucking test.

I'm kidding. I haven't tried that last part, but it probably would work. Probably. I've been getting hundreds in all the tests. I love playing video games on Easy. And so I'm like, oh, I have a bit of an intellect. Let me see if I can get 100% on all these questions.

And so far I'm undefeated and I'm halfway through the course. Gaming the system, you could say. Very much so. And also the questions are like, at least two of the options you could say very much so and also like the questions are like at least two of the options you can rule out as insane like the average car is one centimeter long nine meters long nine thousand meters long it's a car look like renaissance periodization youtube's been really kicking some ass lately what uh what's the secret

sauce oh geez it has been like do you guys really want to know right oh yeah i mean uh here's how it works i don't like to i don't want to talk about this too much because it comes off as like egotistical and i'm really like i consider myself maybe in the conversation for the top three most humble people of all time what a what an ironic statement and top two most ironic people of all time yeah so at rp we generate a lot of income through the sale of digital products like our hypertrophy app and our diet app and so we have a lot of money and this money definitely buys you, concur you favor in society. And so I didn't explicitly bribe anybody to get them to boost us in the algorithm. That did not happen. What did happen was, you know, in the United States is relatively low on the corruption index. That part's actually not a joke. The U S is very not

corrupt country by global standards. It's always funny to me, people would be like, America's so corrupt. Motherfucker, have you ever been out anywhere in the world except for Sweden, dumb asshole? So what we did was we went over,

we paid a significant amount of money as a donation. And I got to a physical meeting with a few of the top people at YouTube, and I was like, fellas, ma'am, I'll just keep this really short and to the point. I have spent over a decade curating my fellatio, and before the lady recoiled, and cunnilingus, though I don't enjoy that specific thing.

coiled and cunnilingus though i don't enjoy that specific thing skills um and i want to tell you that i am prepared to leverage them right very now in order for you guys just to i don't want anything obvious just go in there and just just like flick the algorithm in our direction just just a tedious little push you know like when your kid's learning how to ride a bike they can't start it yet just just just a little scoot send it on its way it's all i'm saying and they were at first skeptical and then completely enthralled at my at on the spot physically demonstrated cunnilingus uh mostly fellatio skills And there were 13 people in that office, 27 total orgasms in the, in the,

in the short span of 19 minutes. And, uh, am I proud of what I did? Yes. I liked, I like to picture you in that scenario is like a Liam Neeson and take, and taken with,

uh, uh, a guy, you know, coming in all menacing, telling them you have a very specific set of skills. They looked afraid. Look at me.

For the love of God. I made a joke on one of our other YouTube videos that I look like the breeding of a ninja turtle and an M1 Abrams tank. They're like, what happened to that guy's head? And is he okay? And so at first they were really averse to the idea. But one guy was like, it's Friday, right?

He's like, fuck it. Pulled his pants down. I mean, it must have taken me seven total seconds. He passed out. He nutted so hard. And the next guy was like, fuck this, I'm in. And then after that, it's like dominoes you don't want to be the person talking at the office like oh i didn't take him up on it everyone

else had a good time it's like a roller coaster you see the people having fun and you're like i want i want that i want more of that you're really close to you throw your hands up and have fun oh and a few of them did you don't you don't have to do listen you sit down comfy chair um i i know what i'm doing many years of practice on so many men. I don't even remember all their faces, let alone their names. One of the ways I like to gauge a creator's YouTube and how people are interacting with them is looking at their YouTube comment section. And you have a very rich and creative group of comments

that are typically left on your videos. That's a way to describe them. Do you read those comments? Are you looking at those? We do read most of our comments oh yeah um you do get a lot of very funny comments in there a lot of people are leaving very funny things like they're in on the joke 100 comments comedians we call yes yes the comments can be i believe roughly separated into three categories one just regular people using youtube as if they are speaking to a human being and those people are great i try to answer at least a few questions per video get in there um and they're awesome a lot of times they're older folks they're

just like you know they don't know about like keck and lulls and any of that they haven't been their brain hasn't been melted by the internet yet. Then you get another group of folks which are just like irrationally exuberant and just so pumped to be in the comments section and they're just like maybe having a manic episode. And they're fun to interact with, but you have a feeling like they're definitely extra.

Because if you ever look at this, the number of views you get versus comments, it's like a 100 to 1 ratio. Most people who see a video don't comment on it have you guys ever commented on a youtube video before just our own just responding that doesn't count so no so the answer is no most people have just never commented on youtube video um so there's a very self-selected group most of them are great there's a small fraction of people that just like woke up uh and chose violence you know and by chose violence, you know, and by chose violence, I mean, chose a very pathetic way to express their toxicity. And I

used to really concern myself with those comments. And I, they used to weigh on me in the sense of like, Oh man, like I have to respond to all these people and beat them in debates. They're saying things that are untrue. And also there's a a thing especially when you're on lots of anabolic steroids you tend to take things as personal affronts much more than any sane person ever should so a lot of times I'd be like say that shit to my face motherfucker but then I don't know maybe

they're like a very well trained sniper neo-nazi someone that will kill me maybe don't say that to my face so at the end of the day it's like if you've got like bad vibes we're just like hey like you know like we all have a rough, yeah, don't say that to my baby. Don't say that to my face. So at the end of the day, it's like, if you've got like bad vibes, we're just like, Hey, like,

you know, like we all have a rough day and just don't respond. But to everyone else we respond. And sometimes people, man, there's sometimes there are really devout viewers and they're really in on the jokes. Some of the jokes I'm not even in on.

As much as I love the videos, that is also one of my favorite part of the videos is reading the funny comments in there because someone's always, they are, they're playing off another joke or they got something going deeper. Sometimes they'll remember jokes that I said in earlier videos. And because a lot of times we record our videos like months ahead of time because we're workaholics and we always like to stay ahead. Like Scott,

the video guy will never allow ourselves to worry about, do we have a video to release? I mean, that's just not, which we just can't do it. It's like not in our nature. So we're always really far ahead. And so sometimes it'd be like, oh, Dr. Mike, you said this one thing.

And I'm like, oh, I did? And I typically don't watch my own videos because I get enough of my own monologue in my own head. And so sometimes I'll like watch a part of it and be like, oh. So, you know, it's nice. as long as people are having fun and even if they're having a lot of hatred i encourage it go comment still comments it helps us in the algorithm and the lamborghinis you see they're not free but our viewers know that they need youtube comments one lambo for every comment that would be really intense um so you were telling me a little bit before we recorded,

and I want Tanner to hear this now too, along with everyone else, your production schedule is kind of crazy for how you make your YouTube videos. Like you were saying, or explain that. You sit down and you guys just start banging these things out, don't you? Yes.

Did I tell you about the children we have here living against their will? I have not heard about this. This is new to me. Well, that's what that room was. Oh, that's just the door. That's their whole compound in there. So typically, the way we've been doing it lately

is Scott, the video guy, will come in for two days a week, every week. And he comes in typically one day in the week, he'll come in in the morning, we'll record most of the day. And then he actually will stay in one of our guest rooms. Unbelievably confusing noises emanate from that room at night. Satan is real. All I have to say about that. And then in the morning on the next day we'll record more and then in the evening he'll drive back home and he lives like about an hour away so in that 24 hour window how many videos are

you guys cranking out are we counting the night videos videos for your YouTube channel my mostly fans discussion here 10 to 20 videos a pop and we have other video projects that will soon be announcing that

um uh we can we can't talk about now but uh we're always banking more videos for later so if you had to guess how many videos are roughly sitting in that bank just ready to go we'll call it the spank the spank bank yeah oh hundreds is there really yeah really, absolutely hundreds. Yeah. That's wild. That is impressive. Yeah, sure. So when I have a, there's a process of either myself or Scott, the video guy will think of video ideas. That's so who's you both are in charge. That's a responsibility for both. Yeah.

So it's like, I'll actually tell you, so it's about 95% me, 5% Scott, the video guy, but the quality, relatability and value of the videos Scott gets a multiplier of 100 and I get one of 100th so a lot of my ideas are like nobody wants to hear about this you fucking nerd go jack off more okay so um we have uh I have one specific place in, uh, I use this program called Workflowy, which is incredible. It's free trial and you can upgrade to the real thing. It's like a data organization program. And it has like basically like just lists and sub lists and sub lists. And so you can organize your entire life on there. And so I have entire lists and sub lists of future YouTube videos. And when I get an idea

for a good video, I'll type it into my phone and then later I'll dump it into Workflowy and then we sort, resort, resort. And we, I take it from there. I make a PowerPoint out of it and we go and record the PowerPoints as they become available. And often I'm like, you know, PowerPoints as they become available. And often I'm like, you know, dozens of PowerPoints ahead of schedule. And then we record the PowerPoints, we do production on them, we put them in the bank, and then we only make maybe the five videos a week or something like that in the channel. And I typically like to record at least five videos or like to create at least five PowerPoints all the time. and then we'll have several month stretches where we actually live together like we'll go get a house in vegas

and we'll record like um five videos a day every day or like 30 videos a week roughly for a one to two month span to get ahead ahead um and that's why you sometimes you guys will see on the youtube channel we're like in a different studio altogether and that's the you sometimes you guys will see on the youtube channel we're like in a different studio altogether and that's the vegas studio so you're at like camp you're it's like it's like content yeah yeah right yeah yeah and um we like to call it curated content camp but every single one of those is with a k anyone that's a very bold name. Is that canceling them out? Are we done? That's not what that's going to be. Well, it's not public facing. And so we record a bunch of videos, and we just have them on 50 different ways to back it up, drives.

And then Scott does his YouTube magic where he is the person who has entire control of the release schedule and so he's the mega coordinator like if scott the video guy ceased to exist there would be no more youtube he is the youtube me i'm just some fucking idiot the gaps he's the real guy and he will pick which videos to do when so we have like a ratio of like fucking nerd videos that the fucking nerds like i'm a fucking nerd so i wish they were all like that but they're not and then we call we call them here bangers like videos like that we know will fuck they will bang and they will be popular and we can record them we like doing it but like it's like a lot of generic shit that people click on like the best ab workout i don't give a fuck but fine i'll say what sports science thinks about

that yeah and then so he makes sure to sort them such that it's not too much of one thing at any the best ab workout. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. But fine, I'll say what sports science thinks about that. And then so he makes sure to sort them such that it's not too much of one thing at any one time. So you're getting that shuffle. Exactly, exactly. And then some of the videos that we record

go to our member section because we record, we have one to two videos every week that come out to our YouTube channel members. And they pay like five bucks a month. And they just get extra videos. And the proportion of nerd videos for them is like triple because they're fucking nerds because that's why they pay money to bucks a month and they just get extra videos and the proportion of nerd videos

for them is like triple because they're fucking nerds because that's why they pay money to hear my dumb ass talk about more technical shit and then so we have those videos siphoned off and videos for future future some videos you know we do training videos so those you can't bank as many of because they require live humans but they also don't require me making powerpoints for yeah so when we're in vegas mr j Jared Feather, IFB Pro, he'll light up bodybuilders and fitness people for us. We'll get in, we'll film. And then when we're in Vegas,

we'll bank a fuckload of those and dope them out through most of the rest of the year. And of course we have the studio gym at home. So we'll have people come through and we'll do those videos with them. Bank, bank, bank, stack, stack, stack. And then Scott does the strategery as George W. Bush has described it.

And then voila, there's our YouTube. So one of your themes, recurring video themes that you've had that it looks like has had a lot of success and I've really enjoyed is what I would call the mic reacts to workout. Oh, they're awesome. Celebrity, whatever.

Everyone likes them. And not only are those hilarious, but what I think is so great about those is you do such a good job of articulating the bullshit factor of all of these workouts. You know, just see, I don't know. I'm never going to claim to be an exercise expert. You know, I like you are in my mind. Well, thank you. That's the nice.

You're also other things in my mind. Good. Good the picture right now oh yes but you're naked in those paintings titanic right yes we can move on just the way you're able to articulate why these workouts are so dumb it you know we don't need to be on the bosu ball doing this exercise doing this balance thing when your job is to just be strong and have a strong body and and like picking apart their terms what i like is uh you know say this celebrity trainer he says something and you stop me you say wait a second and just analyzing what he said you're like that doesn't mean anything yeah they just give you the word salad yeah right right right. So thank you so much for the kind words. The YouTube algorithm agrees.

I think those videos are so accessible to anyone that's even ever done a workout. I mean, if you've gone to high school gym class, you're probably even like, hey, we did that. And yeah, why did we do that? That was stupid. Turns out it was no good reason for it. Yeah.

Whenever you become, and this does sound egotistical, it's true. When you become an expert at anything, you know, like I know some things, the expert or some shit like that. But whenever you know a lot about a subject, any junior league attempt at it by someone else, you can't help but see the matrix. You know where Neo fucking woke up and he saw all the code?

see the matrix you know where neo fucking woke up and he saw all the code you so like if you have like um a navy seal watch an action movie with gunfights in it they're gonna be like you know hey what did you think you're like so for example like i know almost nothing about gunfights and action that's the one that always comes up they're gonna be holding a gun they gotta have a really strong upper body you're like what uh have you held a gun before how heavy do be holding a gun. They got to have a really strong upper body. You're like, what? Have you held a gun before? How heavy do you imagine a gun is? But, you know, like typical action scene like John Wick, for example. If you ask someone who knows like close quarters combat or any combat at all with weapons,

they're like, what do you think about John Wick? He'd be like, yes, yes. So while he's karate fighting one person, it just takes one outside shooter to just pop his dumb ass and that's it he's dead so like if you've been trained or been at war in combat you can't see those videos anymore and be like what it's um i have another analogy real quick so i'm a native russian speaker i'm not very good at it i was left when i was age seven so i speak like an unintelligent seven-year-old but when there's someone trying to speak russian or has a russian accent in in Hollywood, sometimes the accents they get right. But if you're not a native speaker, it's like as soon as you start talking, I can tell.

And it's like you can't suspend disbelief. You're like, I can't believe you that you're Russian. I can't see the character. It's like in the analogy for all of our English-speaking or let's even say American viewers, it's like if someone was like, um, if you saw a movie in, in, in, uh, in France and it was in French,

but there was a guy who was an American, but he was French. And he was like, uh, we, we McDonald's. Yes. Corvette car.

You're like, that guy's not American. And then just, just believe that he is like, I can't do the same thing applies to exercise science and sport science. When you see people training, you see the matrix, you guys see it. Like you watch the Kardashians workout and you're like, I'm sorry They said that works the shoulders but how but how is gravity only points one way?

It's impossible for that to work the shoulders and so the layer of the layers of bullshit are many now We've done a bunch of other videos and those will be out. We've pre-recorded a shitload of those surprise Sometimes the celebrity trainers are fucking great. Yeah. Yes to their credit There's some that yeah, they're just taking someone through a good old workout. There's this one dude that was training I forget who and like a CrossFit gym and he was like we're fucking doing benches We're doing deads. We're doing pull-ups and everything is good technique. And I was like, okay Okay, it's not even that funny episode. I mean, that's the fucking man. You you just did a good job yes you should hire this person but a lot of times it is so layered and bullshit so when you said like oh it's cool that you explain like why it's wrong like to me

I can't not explain it's screaming at me it's like tell me what's wrong with this French dude's American accent you're like where do I begin I can't not say something if you told me to just sit through it and shut up that I couldn't do so it just comes in you know I don't know apparently like I'm funnier than I estimated or something so people are like oh you're hilarious or whatever I don't fuck I think I'm pretty funny in my own head yeah but the things that I think are funny are just like I'll never say something as a joke that I don't think is at least giggle worthy in my own head and if anyone if if anyone has any not-requested-for tips of how to be funny,

when you think something's funny, try saying it. As long as it's not racist and it'll get you canceled. Which is like, that's half the shit that pops up in my head anyway. I mean, people think I'm hard on my own Judaism. If I really could go off on it, oh my God, so many jokes.

The things you would say. The things I'm not allowed to say. So as long as it's not politically incorrect enough to get you canceled, I would say I would never say something to try to get someone to laugh if I didn't think it was at least giggle-worthy. And the shit just comes to me.

Also, no, I don't write any jokes down. I have no plans. Almost every time when I see those videos, I'm reacting to them for the first time. Right. Because that's the best anyway. Right, that is the best. It just hits you like a fucking ton of bricks.

There's no incentive for you to not do it that way. Exactly. Purely organic. And it's not like I need to fucking focus on the details of some shit. When Dr. Oz is lying to people on camera, it's very blatant why he's lying and how. Should we jump into overrated, underrated? I think we should. Oh, I love this part.

Yeah, this is, I mean, it's why everyone chooses it. I hate this part. Okay. So anyone that doesn't know, we have this little game, overratedrated underrated? I think we should. Oh, I love this part. Yeah, this is a, I mean, it's why everyone chooses it. I hate this part. Okay. So anyone that doesn't know, we have this little game overrated underrated. We're going to fire off some topics here to Dr. Mike

and just his job to decide if they're overrated or underrated. You can use your druthers, elaborate as much, as little as you'd like, but you just can't ride the line.

You have to definitively land on one side or the other. So overrated or underrated. This is tough. It's a tough game. Yeah, there's rules. And the topics are hard other. This is tough. It's a tough game. Yeah, there's rules. And the topics are hard-hitting.

So hard-hitting. Overrated or underrated Lamborghinis? Goddamn, that's a good one. I was like, oh, I'm good at this. I can get this. And right from the get-go, it's like, you know, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Yeah, Mike Tyson.

You just punched me rhetorically in the face. I think still Lamborghinis are underrated and i'll tell you why the lamborghini compared to other supercars uh now i guess they're hypercars or whatever right yeah it's not better like to the to the trained eye like some kinds of m McLarens are actually just better. They're more roadworthy. Ferrari. Like, apparently some kind of Ferraris you can't even buy unless you're, like, a member of the Ferrari Buyers Club.

You have to have a few others to get on the list. Yes. Isn't that crazy? Can you imagine going to fucking Costco, and they're like, you actually can't buy a chicken bake until you eat a pizza. We have to make sure that you regularly buy hot dogs that will approve you for the chicken bake. What nonsense is this? I'm like a pure capitalist in my morality. I'm sorry,

I want to show up to a Ferrari dealership. I understand that, but is there an amount of money I can just pay you that's just so fuck you money that they're like, fine, here's the dealership, you asshole. So there are other cars to people that know things about cars that make the Lamborghini seem like like a gauche choice, like, oh, really? A Lamborghini is just designed to scream at people that you're rich. And God, do I love that. And my butlers do most of my screaming for me while they're in the Lambos driving them around. I'm never seen in my Lamborghinis because I think it's a little over the top. But God damn does the Lambo sing. I fucking made it.

Fuck all of you pores. And I even just had an image pop up in my head of me wearing a top hat with a monocle in a pure white suit. Nothing on the suit. Maybe like the long tail coats on the suit. Mandatory. Looking like a fucking penguin. And boots with heels even though you're a man even though you're male like why just for the ostentation of it and i had this idea that i

would drive by in a lamborghini with people on the side of the road the regulars the poors we call them and and the lambo gets into some mud and splashes them but then i realized i'm not getting mud on my fucking lamborghini that's for another person to do with another more poor person car so there's levels to this right it's the metaphorical splash of wealth you see a lambo go whatever sound it makes i've been a long time since i've seen a lamborghini um and it's just that you know you're worse than that person you don't even know how and if there's a hot girl in the seat next to you oh you're worse than that person. You don't even know how. And if there's a hot girl in the seat next to you, oh, you're really closing the loop. Underrated.

Along that same vein, similar vein at least, overrated, underrated butlers. I have tried to do, I fancy myself a recreational mathematician. I was quite good at, I fancy myself a recreational mathematician. I was quite good at math when I was a child. And I tried to run some simulations to get to the optimum number of butlers. Because it's a function of like, what's your square footage? How many tasks do you have?

Yeah, the butler algorithm, if you will. It's deep. Run some Monte Carlo simulations. The fucking nerds watching this will know what that is. And I realized something, that if you actually adjust all the variables, the optimum number of butlers is an exponent that ends at infinity. You cannot have too many butlers. Why? Because if you have a run out of butlers to actually do a function,

you can use the remainder of butlers for the ultimate function, which is to do what? You think that rich people care about what your poor ass thinks about anything. They don't. Well, they do to the extent that they can insult you, but they don't care about it much. What rich people really obsess over is how can I seem rich to my already rich friend? And what is a bigger tail wag than to tell people like, oh, my 87th butler just started work. And let me tell you, the onboarding process is just killing my other butlers because your boy ain't doing that shit. That's for other butlers to do. The butlers have like a fight club. They have their own pool hall. I don't even know.

It's getting out of hand. But is it really? really no i submit that it is not because more butlers is better because when i'm in my dirigible and i'm having a cocktail party in the white suit with the heels of course um i like to get butler conversations going and and you know elon will be up there he's like my i've got like a hundred butlers zuck will be like oh i'm on like 200 and i'm like fellas fellas it actually developed this is a bit much but i have a room you haven't seen this room in the house it leads to oh physics wise we could call it a portal i guess it is a butler generator and it always has a stock it's like a black hole of butlers in which an infinite number of butlers exist and so i kind of won that one so i'm like oh you guys get their 200 butlers that's a lot and they're like oh dr mike they call me

dr mike um how many butlers do you have and i never like to make a big deal out of it even though i always make a big deal out of it and while sucking on my elongated cigarette because you know i don't want my white gloved hand, of course. Yes, that separate you from the poor as they put the cigarette right up to their mouth. How uncultured. I like to just briefly describe the Butler generator portal. And that really puts, you know, I actually at one time, Jeff Bezos sat down and had to have a handkerchief to pat down his sweat. Southern man in a courtroom style from how he just heart rate. He was like, oh, to have a handkerchief to pat down his sweat. A southern man in a courtroom style from how he just heart rate. He was like, oh, you have a butler portal? I was like, yeah, and you can't buy that on Amazon either, motherfucker.

Good. So is that an underrated then? The most underrated possible commodity is butlers. Did you have any must topics in the overriding? No, no, go with what we have on the list. Okay, so last one. I really wanted to circle back around to this one more time just for emphasis.

Overrated or underrated, the Costco chicken bake. Jeez, we're seeing a lot of underrateds here. I mean, the Costco chicken bake on macros, I don't care if they're lying. I'll just be straight up. It's amazing. It tastes great. It is mouth-shaped.

It is mouth-sized. It is delicious. I've great. It is mouth-shaped. It is mouth-sized. It is delicious. I've never had one that burned me. I've never had one that wasn't sufficiently hot. The cheesy, whatever those cheesy things are on the crust. Yeah, those are good. Yes. I'll make this a bit algorithmic.

If you've had one before, you know they're underrated. If you're in the subcategory of people you've had one before, you know they're underrated. If you're in the subcategory of people that have had one before but think they're overrated, I don't care what you have to say about anything. And so they're insanely underrated. Go to Costco, get yourself a chicken bake. I would recommend just one more thing. Sit down. Sit down before you eat it. It's a sensory experience. You're not like, oh, yeah, I'm going to like go to do a day at the office and go to amusement park and I'll be on mushrooms the whole time. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not how you do mushrooms. You sit with your friends in nature and you really absorb. That's how you eat a chicken bake at depth, at scale. That's good. That's great. Do you guys think we can get a sponsorship from Costco? We're well and away right now. Please let me know.

They actually issue a sea synthesis. You're like, ah, we were trying to help you. This is all nothing really negative. I mean, some of it obscene, but nothing like... Much of it obscene. All of it obscene. It's hard for us to use for any marketing purposes. I got to...

That's right. We went through your video, and we can't use any of it. Also, that one dude looks like a weird ninja turtle. Do you guys know that? I got it. We went through your video. We can't use any of it. Also, that one dude looks like a weird ninja turtle. Do you guys know that? One note, the last time we had you on the podcast via telephone call, you gave us a. Via rotary. Yeah, but we had a good laugh about that subsequently and maybe in large part because of that. Just the cyber bullying.

Yeah, the cyber bullying was so extreme. We had to reevaluate our life decisions. We shortly after changed that now we have Zoom guests. Oh, my God. The future. Yes. The future is here in South Dakota. So we now, thanks to you, you made us.

We made the transition. Was it like a good transition? Or were you like, actually, the phone worked better? No, it's actually been really good. We did it. We're like, we should have done this a long time ago. We could have done it a long time ago. We've just been doing it by phone for like five years.

And we're like, no, it just works. I don't know. I was joking. No, we know. Well, we know what you really mean. Oh, you're joking. It was one of those things where we're like, yeah, it is a joke. But also, we probably should be doing that.

Because people are like, hey, we're going to call you in. You're like, I'm sorry, call? I don't have a landline. You wouldn't be surprised, though, the number of people when we say we'll call you, and that's difficult somehow. So we thought Zoom would be very difficult. And Zoom has not been as difficult. It's a better interview, quite honestly.

And you guys do, oh, video, yeah. Especially not cutting each other off like you know the face someone makes when they want to say something so you can parlay them in you can't do that on the phone and some of the humor stuff uh via the visual cues is just easier to pick up like i might know if you're making a joke versus uh is he being serious or is he oh yeah especially with like my deadpan is this guy really insane or just a little insane? Right. Was that three overrated, underrated topics?

Did you have the fourth? No, I just said three, but if you got the fourth... Fourth overrated, underrated. Karaoke. You guys are just fucking swinging. Holy shit. Karaoke is overrated and for one i'll just put on my my my stinker hat the people that sing karaoke as a matter of almost guaranteed rule do a worse job

than the original artist and yes i sing a fucking damn good lucky star by madonna and karaoke but on a scale of where the worst sound ever to emanate that people use for torture is a zero and a 10 is madonna doing it live to you in person and her prime 1984 madonna with all that weird 80s shit on oh yeah pointy boob shirt the whole fucking shebang i would say my rendition ranks at a negative one where i've physically seen people run out of the auditorium bleeding ears and i'm pretty good at singing if i may say so myself and i have and i will so karaoke is like how do how do you fuck up a classic you know like it's like oh today we're gonna paint the mona lisa in painting

class with eight-year-olds and they're drunk eight-year-olds why why i don't want to see that shit and you have to look at it because you have to hear the karaoke um terrible i hate it i i am karaoke is an affront to everything that is american and i believe it is part of a japanese plot to subvert our culture and eventually win world war ii it's good it's still so world war ii isn't over not for the japanese just to clarify you're such a such an american thing to say. I thought we won that war. Woo! Nope. Okay. Yeah, that's great.

I would say I want to just mention, everyone, make sure to check out. Do we have a rapid fire section? Oh, yeah. We'll do it. Hold on. The rapid fire and the over under are not the same thing? No, no, no. The names were different.

That should signify that they're different. Fuck. This is rapid fire general fitness questions. You probably have videos on all of these because you have videos on everything. Sure. But how rapid are we talking? Like actually a quick response here. Like probably 10 seconds. That's a challenge for me. Yeah. Actually quick response. Okay. General fitness topics.

Should I take a multivitamin? Yes. It's an insurance policy against missing some meals and fruits and veggies here and there but it does not replace a whole grain fruit and veggie diet. It just supplements it. Oh, so I have to keep eating, you're saying? Yes. The vitamin doesn't do it all for me?

It actually takes care of all of your nutritional needs. You don't even need to eat food. You just need to eat a chicken bake. All right. Very good. For easy math, we'll say I weigh 200 pounds. What is too little protein for my goals? I weigh 200 pounds.

What is too little protein for my goals? Being that I don't know your goals at all, apparently they're just to appear incredibly sexy. In which case, I think mission accomplished. Wrap it up, fellas. Let's go home. I would say anything under 120 grams of protein would strain my imagination as to how you would justify that, maximizing your muscularity. How many of those should I consume through the special egg tortilla roll shell thing

that you're eating? As many as you can get your hands on. Okay. What an absurd question. How much money should I pick up off the ground when it's just like all the money? Yeah. Okay, good. We live in the landlocked Midwest, which means we consume almost no fish. We're not at Kai Green's house. We don't have a pound of fish available to us a day. Plenty of grapefruits. Should I be taking a fish oil supplement? Fish oil supplements often come rancid.

And so if you can ensure that your fish oil supplement is not rancid, it is a wise choice. But apparently it's quite hard to tell because you don't bite into the shit. And you're like, oh, this one tastes bad. They all taste bad. So I would actually, I think Dr. Jen Case, one of our experts at RP for real, for real nutrition, not YouTube nutrition like I do. She's a registered dietitian, has a PhD in nutrition. I think she would say just take an EPA, DHA supplement. And that is like all the good stuff of the fish oil without hurting any fish.

You see, the way they get the oil out of the fish is terrible. They squeeze it. The fish loves the squeezing. It's sexual to them. So actually, I do support fish oil. Ethically sourced fish oil is where the fish love the process. All right. Someone that's maybe looking to get stronger, what would you consider mandatory supplements for them to take?

If there is such a thing as a mandatory supplement? Folks, that's a joke. This whole podcast is a joke. Mandatory supplement does not exist. Okay. Thank God. That's why they're called supplements. But I would say if you're trying to be serious, serious, FR, FR as the kids say. I have zero caps to give, sir.

How dare you? I learned another one recently from Eric Janicki. Bet. Yeah. Do you guys know that one? I don't know. It means like yes or something. I agree.

I don't totally know the context of how you do that. Yeah, BET. Is there anyone here that speaks English? No, but there are plenty of TikTokers. Yes, I see. Is there anyone here that speaks English? No, but there are plenty of TikTokers. Yes, I see.

So a kind of a whey protein supplement would be nice if you have trouble meeting your daily needs. It's just super, super easy. A multivitamin just to stay nice and healthy. And maybe if you really want to like tell mom to go to hell and slam your door in your room behind and play the Sega Genesis, that kind of attitude, you take creatine by the hydrate. But when mom finds out, oh boy, you're going to grandma's over the summer. No more waits.

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One more. It keeps going. Just steamrolling uh off of past events uh rapid fire do you think will ferrell is funny that's a fucking great question um i think when will ferrell is in his element doing will ferrell things um he's the funniest man alive and i think sometimes when you've had your fill of Will Ferrell like I've had my fill of my own Inner monologue when I was 15 years old and ever since then it's just been pure misery to live in my brain Sometimes it's just a bit too much will Ferrell and you're like I just don't get this anymore

And it's just will Ferrell being well Ferrell So when you're in the mood will Ferrell slaps like God and when you're not in the mood you're like enough Enough he lost me at like anchorman six Will Ferrell slaps like God. And when you're not in the mood, you're like, enough, enough. He lost me at like Anchorman 6 or whatever. But Anchorman 1. I also don't like. Really? Yeah, I just never really got it.

So what Will Ferrell movies are? His SNL shit is like Da Vinci doing art in front of you. You can think you're a comic. You can think you're funny. Will Ferrell on SNL, like his impromptu shit. Oh my fucking God. Like just doing crazy shit. The man, the man. Chris Farley, similar idea.

Right. So you have a pretty nuanced answer where, I mean, I think that's a fair nuanced answer to that question. It's not a black and white answer. Okay. It sucks. Oh, was the rule black and white answer? No, no, not on, not on, uh, rapid fire.

Over, underrated over. Yeah. So you're safe there. Thank God. answers? No, not on rapid fire. Underrated over. So you're safe there. Thank God. No, everyone, please make sure to... You're already watching the Renaissance Periodization YouTube, but if you're not, we would just... What are you doing? Watch Massanomics podcast or listen to it, I guess.

Either way, whatever you do. You guys are incredibly handsome. Why aren't you on video? We are. We publish these on video also. Oh, my God yeah so they can be consumed over time to bit torrent yeah do the tiktokers even know what that is probably not no an illegal form of downloading where you get lots of video at the same time and then you unzip your

pants you get the kleenex well we probably have uh 350 episodes in uh full video averaging a couple hours a piece. In color? In color, yes. One other note, we did have a gym member at Massonomics Gym that's been using, you know, he did a power, we put on a powerlifting meet, he had done that.

He's using Juggernaut AI to prep for that and afterward he said, I'm good with powerlifting as well. He's been using your new Renaissance periodization. Hypertrophy. Hypertrophy. Does he hate it? No.

He actually, just before, like yesterday or whenever, the day I was leaving the gym, grabbing the last couple things, he said, make sure to tell Dr. Mike how much I'm loving the training. And this is a guy that's trained five days a week for probably the last 20 years. And he's like um even made the comment you know i was like kind of nervous as someone that maybe does power lifting quote unquote uh a lot that you know i don't want to lose more strength than i have to and he just made the comment fun way to put it right yeah he just made the comment that like that's not the case at all like i feel like i feel like i am uh maintaining so much strength while doing it he just said he

really likes it he said it's freaking hard you know he's like training so much strength while doing it. And he just said he really likes it. He said it's freaking hard. You know, he's like training hard while he's doing it. It would suck if he was like, this is easy. Is that good or not? I can't tell. A diet being easy is great. Can you be easy? I'm not so sure.

So his one anecdotal experience, he said he's really, really enjoying it. And for me, that's enough. Yeah. Tell him. I said hello. Big Ross. Yeah, we'll say Big Ross. Big Ross, you're the fucking fucking man don't get too much

bigger or else they'll have to update upgrade your nickname to biggest giant Ross giant Ross right um it's awesome we do get quite a few um uh money's cool to make and it's dope making money um but there are very few perhaps no replacements for knowing that something you created or helped to create genuinely help someone have a good time. And so a lot of people have said about the hypertrophy app, they're like, I just fucking love training with it. And it's also cool when you agree with them because I train with it now. I don't train without my app. And I'm like, what did I do before this app? I wrote things down in my Apple Notes pad.

Fuck that. things down in my apple notes pad fuck that it's just um it's i i just like it's a huge green check mark for me in my life to be able to have contributed to making that product it's just the elegance of it i just love it and so um and outside of um looking at adult pictures and videos between sets on my phone i look at the app and i just marvel. Sounds like a great training session. Yeah, yeah. We have a whole Wi-Fi extender just for the throughput. That's good. And I think on that note, we'll close it out. Anything else, Tommy, from you? Dr. Mike,

you're good? All right, we'll close it out. We'll catch everyone when we're back in South Dakota. Thanks for listening. See ya. Thanks for having me on, guys.