Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 395: Jordan Feigenbaum

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Big Jordan Feigenbaum joins us for this one to discuss SARMS, ATP, Dodge Vipers, and chasing powerlifting PRs for a decade. If that’s not enough, we also played our game “Supplements: Real or Fake” for this first time in years! Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on your first order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASS for a free pair of AWEsome wraps! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Swiss Link Use code MASS to save 15%! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side and everything. Massonomics. Welcome everyone for episode 395 of the Massonomics podcast. We are the lifting podcast about nothing. That's what they call us. At least that's what they say. That's what they say. That's what we say. We recorded live say that's what we say we recorded live from multiple corners of south dakota the best dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy all right we are on the road to 400 officially then huh too we're just uh after this one five short episodes out damn yeah that's uh i kind of forget about that. You know, the milestones,

they all just start to roll together after a while. They all start to be the same thing, but 400 does feel like a big one. It's starting to feel like we cannot hold anything back now at this point in time. I mean, we're in the final stretch here. We got to give it all we got. You know who else can't hold anything back?

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It's what's in vogue. Also in vogue is the Massanomics podcast. And luckily for all of you, that's what you're listening to right now. And we do have a plethora of topics to run down in this week's episode. A real laundry list of things you could say yeah we do have a laundry list uh as far as in the lifting world yeah we'll get that stuff out of the way right away right yeah we're gonna sweep this lifting stuff out out of the way we don't we won't want to spend too much time on actual lifting talk but i did see that iron bibby rebroke the log press world record at 230 kilograms this is one i'm surprised you i saw

you put the note in there i'm kind of surprised this has not ran across my my feed in any way yet usually i feel like every time there's a log press record being broken i always see that get mentioned quite a bit but i have not seen this one yet. Yeah. 507 pounds roughly. I think that that is what that comes out to. And I think it was two 29. So he chipped it so to speak. And that was at, uh, I don't know, one of those, uh, European giants live sort of shows sort of, sort of show things. And he didn't compete him.

Yeah. It's a European thing driving on the wrong side of the road yeah measuring things in odd units but it is rebroken and yeah he's really good at log press he's he's he's kind of the king at the he's a bit of a specialist i guess yeah yeah he's he's he's the king and he's always a guy that'd be interesting i want to see what he could do at world's strongest man and kind of like every year he's uh signed up for it and going to be one of the people and then for whatever reason something happens yeah yeah it's an injury or he can't travel or whatever so hopefully would like to see him compete in a full competition against the best of the best and i guess we never talked about it though but thor is coming back uh you

know we actually don't think we've mentioned this at all i think it probably came out around when we were traveling and stuff we never really got to it but thor has announced he's coming back he is going to compete at the arnold will be oh he is okay i didn't know yeah when we're yeah when we're uh when we're in columbus this march which we've been working on a lot working on arnold stuff actually as we speak but when we're there he'll March, which we've been working on a lot, working on Arnold's stuff actually as we speak, but when we're there, he'll be competing in the Arnold Strongman Classic, so that'll be interesting to see. That's a win for everyone.

He puts butts in the seats, doesn't he? Yeah, he does. So that'll be a fun one. Then you've got a few things in there. Should we crack into a crispy cold boy before we get to our next thing we want to talk about yes we should and now that you say that you don't have i'm going into full panic mode because i know i had a drink somewhere and it's that meme of panic yes and actually the crazier part is if you you can't really see but i'm in a completely empty room so um i could have swore it was here with me.

Actually, before we even get to anything else, it's not an elephant in the room because there's not anything in the room. The elephant in the room is the lack of things in the room. So, yeah, this is a new studio officially then, right? It is officially a new studio. I mean, there is no studio behind me. It is purely an empty room at the moment. will uh this will over time believe it or not this thing was the lowest one of the lowest priorities in the movie project i know it's crazy but um yeah the

studio will be a work in progress over time but for right now we got uh we got a purple neon light going on but uh someone said you're pretty in pink i made a pretty in pink oh and then i see yeah i yeah i see someone uh uh posted prints there too so yeah uh yeah so you moved then right and damn is moving it's moving i will say moving across town is significantly easier than moving to a different portion of a state yeah when you can just make trips back and forth not a huge deal it's just inconvenient you know but when you actually have to make more or less a single trip and add on top of that that there was a snowstorm the day before and it's like uh 10 degrees outside and everything's wet and cold and yeah that's a that is

a terrible don't move in south dakota in december that's that's my advice for anyone um wait till like october or something you know when it's cooler but still nice so yeah it moving it's just tedious takes a long time you take everything apart you put it all back together new stuff shows up you put i've put so many pieces of furniture up and hung curtain rods so many i'm like it's i'm just over all that stuff so i'm ready to uh relax and get back to my normal life here but i'm not sure if that's happening anytime soon yet um are you do you miss your old place now at all no i mean the old places are for people that don't know the old place was a rental and there was nothing wrong it was nice it was nice i mean it was a really nice uh yeah but i mean a house versus a rental it's just right it's always i mean

we got twice the space here it's just a different it's a different ball game right do you probably literally have twice the space um yeah yeah before uh and like this room is probably three times the size of the like the old room when i was podcasting i could reach my arm back and basically almost touch the wall now i mean i'm in this is an enormous bedroom that i'm recording in now so i got i got lots of room well and maybe it all it might come across different for those that watch this on youtube but at least for me broadcasting across zoom right now what you know I'm not seeing the final YouTube production. I'm seeing the zoom production.

And even when you first turned it on, there's no depth perception. I can't tell. It kind of looks like maybe you could reach across and touch that wall. Yeah. So it's, but then I saw you get up and stand and walk back there and it's like, Oh,

like, Oh, that's a, it kind of looked like the same size as the other room until you got up and walked. I'm like, Oh, it's an optical illusion.

This is probably the same size room as the old studio when we used to record together. Oh, okay. So, yeah, you cannot tell that from this right now. Yeah, you'll probably see it better online because the cameras for the actual video, the cameras pointed down so you can see the baseboard behind me. But actually, no, that doesn't really give a sense of depth at all. So, yeah, it still might not come across. Yeah.

So it is way bigger than your interim spot. Yes, yes. This is an actual, I mean, this is, I'm in the basement, like always. You know, like how a person should podcast, of course. I am in the basement. That goes without saying, I think. But it is one of the biggest rooms in the house, too. So, you know, I really hit the jackpot here.

We've certainly, out of all our episodes, done a lot of basement podcasting, haven't we? I mean, it's 99% of them at this point. Yeah, the only ones that weren't for the most part. Were just a couple in the first hundred. The very, very beginning ones. Like maybe the first 10. Yeah, I was going to say 10. And then a couple.

Some of the last few of Tyler's were in his upstairs, if you remember that, his second floor. And then I was going to laugh and say, well, and then we didn't do, we were upstairs at Mike's, but also we recorded in the basement. In the basement at Mike's. Yeah. A lot of basement podcasting, really. Yes, there is.

The way it should be. Yes. Yeah, so is this, I mean, officially officially then like to put a number on it is it 6.9.1 we can i think because geographically i'm gonna be in this exact location it's just the behind me will be changing over time but unless something crazy happens i will be sitting here or possibly my my desk could be on a different wall, but it should look really, really similar to this going forward. So I think this is officially 6.9.1. This is 6.9.1.

Okay. So when you add decor, it might be 6.9.1.1. Right. You just never get past the.1. It just gets another point added on. Just keep adding additional. 6.9,.1,.1,.1, yeah. Yeah.

Yes. So what about directionally? Is it still, you know, what we had said before, eastern, southeast, South Dakota? I am even farther east, if you can believe that. So, I mean, Iowa. So that really doesn't change it just becomes more true it's just even more true i'm just so close to iowa now i'm i mean it's just i can practice you're almost a stone's throw i can practically see the border patrol of

iowa just sitting waiting for me from my house you can see the cornfields from your house i can yep good so eastern southeast south dakota more true than ever i was just worried that we were saying things that are inaccurate and as a matter of fact we're becoming even increasingly accurate oh yeah we're getting more accurate as the days go by okay uh i um do you have one you you put a few few things in there i've got a sack segment i would like to show off my sack actually i'll do i'll do this i'd like to do this when you do that live listeners are on to uh this will be a fun little sack segment a lot of times sack segment are well in the start sack segments were not things that people sent us they were things that i just brought

to the podcast in my sack yes you were taking the initiative on your own before. They used to not be things that people sent us, and then slowly over time it became more of what people were sending us. But now this is not something. It came in the mail, but I purchased it myself, so it is courtesy of me. But I got a little artwork for Massonom, nice. A little artwork for Massanomics GM. Sweet. I like that.

And it's hard to talk. Yeah. So I'll describe. So Tanner is holding up. Is that like a canvas print or what is that? Yeah, this is a canvas. I went with a canvas. Yeah, he's got the canvas print.

So it's a little chunky. You know, you can hang on to it. And it's everyone flexing after the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic meet in Aberdeen. We're all in front of the backdrop. Jonathan's laying in front in his Speedo. But everyone's got their meat tees on, their medals, the shirts, the hats, and looking like they're having the time of their lives. So I'm going to find a good spot for this at the gym.

I like how the middle of Masonomics banner, the name just barely pops over everyone's head that looks awesome yeah i made sure to not crop that out i wanted to keep in just that little bit of massonomics there yeah this did not come out particularly clear you it won't come across you and i don't you won't notice unless you're up close looking at it but i just like less than impressed with uh because i've done some really good ones before where i print them offline and i'm like oh that looks awesome have you done canvas ones before, though? No, and that's what I wonder.

Is that just a subject of canvas? Canvas is a little less detailed because it's such a rough surface that it just can't be as detailed is the way I understand it. Yeah, the detail sucks. But also, though, once you put that on the gym wall, no one gets within a few feet and they'll probably think it looks awesome. Yeah, it does look good. It's just like close up and especially with other ones I've had, like they came out so much better than what I even had anticipated. But, yeah, that's cool, and it's wide and short is good because I have some spaces in the gym that are wide and short,

so I can squeeze that in there some places. Just sneak it in anywhere. Yeah. That's awesome. I like that. Yeah. That would be cool beans, I think.

Everyone that was at the Lift Heart of the BC Classic gets to make it onto the walls of Massanomics Gym now. They get a little spot there amongst the walls of fame in there. That's good. That was our sack segment this week. What about Creed? We've kind of talked about Creeded last okay we talked about creed

last week um of course president north dakota gives me all types of information on creed following up with me all the time on that and i'm just i just gotta go on the dms right now we we could basically change our chat to be like creed central over here but first he sent me a clip i believe this is from two weeks ago maybe three weeks ago i think it was three weeks ago when the vikings played the bears vikings quarterback is kurt cousins and uh they're asking him you know what was different this week what'd you do and he's like we we just we got some creed going in the locker room we had to play some creed it just got everyone together so like that's it and it's a it's a it's probably a minute long clip where he's just talking about yeah we've been listening to creed

all week like we're loving it and then he just sent me this one yesterday and it was if the baseball playoffs and i want to see i believe it's the rangers i'm not following the baseball playoffs at all but the uh but the texas rangers i believe uh have been playing creed all postseason not only like in the locker room and the players but they're playing it in the arena too and everyone's screaming and singing creed together and they even got creed in the clip with them that the band is in there talking giving some context and how they feel about everyone listening to their music and all that so um Creed second wave, it's happening, man. We're on the front lines of this.

We're living it right now. And I have been, so it has been an incredibly crazy busy week for me. So I'm really out of loop on the Discord and I've been trying to keep up, but it's just, I have not had much time, but I did see some good talk of people uh reminiscing about some older new metal playlists and things like that from follow-up from last week there was quite a few people that said they were even though they were tempted to listen to some on their uh devices they had to choose not to because they didn't want any of their devices suggesting any of those uh songs in the future i

used to have the exact same mentality and then i had kids and I'm like, no, my Spotify recommendation is so messed up. I don't even care anymore. Or it's like, uh, the one, the two times a month I want to go to watch Netflix and I pull up and it is nothing but kids shows. And I'm like, does like, I'm like, does Netflix even have anything? That's not a kid. Uh, older than seven. Yeah. That's the same thing my youtube feed used to just be like man youtube just gets me it always knows what i'm into and now it's like oh do you want to watch coco melly i do not want to watch it do you want to watch this person on boxing of a barbie nope don't want to watch any of this nope and that's all i get now so my my youtube uh algorithm has been bombed as well and still that that is on one more thing on Creed,

that meme when they're at like Dallas Cowboys Stadium when it's Scott Staff. That's classic. The version of it I saw this week was the European mind can't comprehend this video. Yep, Creed singing at the halftime show of the of the dallas cowboys football game in probably like 2003 or so yeah there's a guy flying through on some ribbon he's bought it doesn't make any sense yeah you gotta you gotta go look up the meme and uh

might make your head explode now speaking of things exploding should we shake up uh some cans and you can i can just dream about it because, like I said, I know I had something to drink around here somewhere, but apparently it has disappeared. You forgot the sparkling waters on the move, it sounds like. Oh, that's what it was. I better get back to the old place now. Demand my water.

You are going to need to go back there. Actually, I do have one water update and that is the fridge at my new place instead of having the the little you know the water dispenser on the door where you you push it and it spits the water out well the front is flat you open it up and there's a built-in water pitcher and you pour it you pull it out you pour your water so much faster which is nice it's cold which is good too and the second you put the pitcher back in the door and you close it you hear go and it fills itself right back up self-filling filtering water pitcher it's i thought it was dumb like it's inside the it's a

refrigerator it's like a small a hidden door nope it's in like in your door where your condiments are there's probably like a little 32 ounce water pitcher so enough for a couple people to fill up some glass of water but the second you close the door you can hear the thing fill it back up with water so it's always cold it's always filtered it's always ready to go and it's sitting right there i thought it was dumb and gimmicky but it was like whatever okay and now i told my wife i'm like this is i've drank more water in the last three days than i have like that i normally do over the course of a day, like ever. I don't know, something about just being quick, clean, and easy makes me, makes me drink it. I could see that being good.

The trick to all of those, any of them, whatever kind it is, is never changing the filter. Yes, absolutely. That way you believe you're drinking filter water, but the filter is so old, you are in fact possibly drinking dirtier water than if it wasn't. At least that's what I do. I make sure to never change the filter. Well, really what it comes down to though, when you go through stages of this

is after a while you're like, this water just trickles out. I don't even, why is this water so slow? And you're like, oh yeah, I haven't changed the filter in a long time. And then you change the filter. You think, why do I have this pressure washer shooting this water out at me so that is the one uh the one incentive to change that filter is for the water pressure uh big keith in the

discord said uh cold water is underrated uh i and i know this would not be a popular opinion i almost don't care at all about the temperature of my water i don't i i basically i actually just i just it can't be hot well actually i shouldn't even say it can't i don't like it if it's hot if it is room temperature uh from when i was deployed we drank room temperature water all the time and it just got to the point where i just didn't care at all like but i also don't when I drink water I always drink like 30 ounces at a time within about three minutes like I drink water like as a um just like as a job not as a like uh so I don't like if it's kind of room temperature like if there's just bottles of

water sitting around in the room I almost like it better because I can drink it so much faster versus if it's frozen cold I'm like like, oh, it's burning my throat. I 100% know what you mean. But I do recognize I'm probably not in the majority there. Well, no, I 100% know what you mean. It is way easier to drink water when it's closer to room temperature, especially if you're chugging it, which you kind of do. I personally, I could go, I think I've talked about this before. If I'm not working out, I could wake up in the morning, eat my breakfast, not drink any water. I sit at a computer all day. I don't get thirsty. I could just go an I've talked about this before if I'm not working out I could go I could wake up in the morning eat my breakfast not drink any water I sit at a computer all day I don't get

thirsty I could just go an entire day without drinking water but having cold water makes me more likely to drink the water so that is you know it's one of those thirst hacks you know I'm all thirst hacks over here on that makes that's probably I bet most more people fall into that category but I would also say non-water beverages I do like them to be cold almost almost all non-plain water beverages I like them a lot better if they're cold like a La Croix I could drink uh if it was room temperature but it's not going to be anywhere from room temperature to piping hot right it's preferably piping hot actually in this case that's a little bit of a oddity in that sense but yes but just water give me room temperature and i do not even care at all yep you're just old-fashioned like that

that's back in my day we had piss water we drank We drank our own piss because it was sterile and we liked the taste. Just drank the sweat off the toilet. We drank artesian well water, which is actually true, but gross now. Oh, well water. Yucky. Mmm. Yuck. Yeah, web water.

I don't know that that means anything to most people listening i'm not sure what web water is good though isn't it oh web water is kick ass yeah i was well did you ever have well water growing up like what were you serious yeah until i was five oh we had artesian well water and uh at the time i thought that that was good and other stuff was bad until i shortly flipped that after getting on used to it. I'm like, now that tastes awful. Oh, my parents have well water and it is God awful. It stinks. They don't even, the mineral content of it is just crazy.

Like look at your shower. If you don't clean it for a week or two, like is there was like showering in copper? Like what's going on here? I mean, it's, it, it, it literally like stains your teeth. Uh, uh, orange. Yeah. They don't, uh, they don't use that water for drinking. Like they get different water for drinking because it's just awful. Aberdeen water is not good.

I know we had to have talked about this many times, but Aberdeen water is not good. I'm sure I'll be dying young for the amount of Aberdeen water that I've consumed in my life. Yeah, it's not good. You can be guaranteed once every two to three years they will issue a citywide warning saying you should not drink the water.

Do we live in development? Twice a year, even if there's not a warning. Twice a year I'm like, yeah, I'm like, and even without it I'm like, yes, that thing is happening right now that happens. That's where the water comes in. Now I'm repulsed by it.

Yes, that's's it is disgusting and it's funny that we're talking about civilized developed america here but uh no this is that that's what we're actually talking about it's like nope nope the quality of water is just so bad yeah and they should have got on web water many many years when they had the chance yeah when they had the chance they should have done it didn't do it i uh i wrote something down here about locker room yeah i really want to know what that is yeah are you installing a locker room at the massonomics gym that is actually it i wanted to officially announce on the podcast that we will have a state-of-the-art locker room now at massonomics gym uh we're removing the whole front room will now just be a locker room equipped with a 30 person shower yeah six tall showers those full body vibration machines all that good

stuff everyone loves if whenever i ask someone uh what equipment we should get at the gym you know when i ask them honestly like uh any of the gym members like oh what do you think we should get next because i like to poll people occasionally and everyone always says oh when are we getting the tanning bed or the sauna like that's the classic and every time you just start do you pretend like you're having an asthma attack wait a second here a tanning bed. Stop. Just can't catch your breath. That would be crazy because this is the kind of gym that would never have that stuff. Yeah, so once we get past that joke, then I get to actually hear what equipment they might want.

Although no one has any good suggestions left anymore hardly because oh really we have so much i mean to no fault of them but yeah um it's just uh they tell us to try harder and leave that's just like everyone's kind of like i don't know it seems like we've kind of gotten everything now damn it try harder i need someone to tell me something to buy right right ah but i was in an actual locker room and it's been a really long time since i've been in a locker room uh a really long time since i've like had to do that like change in a locker room and do stuff like that have you are you allowed to say what this is for what locker room you were in yeah well it would well it was the women's locker room, and I really shouldn't be saying that. Last time I was in an actual locker room,

I will say that the gym that I... Do any of the gyms you've gone to have that? They do have a locker room, and they have saunas in them and everything, too. They're both actually, completely honest, pretty damn nice. But my standards are also pretty damn low so right right um so i was for noon ball i had to yes use the locker room you know i came in work clothes and

had to change and then when i was done change out obviously um but the damnedest thing happened it was the i've like this is like the most stereotypical thing ever that could happen in the men's locker room. The old guys were hanging? Like refused to put clothes on. Just having too much fun. Yeah, the one guy in his 80s came in there because he had been like shooting hoops and stuff too. And he had come in shortly after me, started telling me stories. Really nice guy, but proceeded to get buck naked

and sat there with no attempt to get any other clothes on as I completely got dressed and got out of there because I had to go to work. Never, not as so much as a pair of underwear, sat there just full conversation for 10 minutes or five, you know, five to 10 minutes. I'm just sitting buck naked. I mean, it's, I don't, I, I'm, I've never, I've never understood it. Like, I don't even like to be like naked laying around on stuff in my house. I just like, I'm getting things. I could get out of the shower, be naked

and go like sit on the couch. I'd feel like I'm making the couch dirty, you know, like, and that's in my own house. I don't want to be like sitting in some disgusting public locker room, naked running around. No, isn't, isn't the rule of thumb. You try to be naked for you. You are, you do what you prep your site so you can be naked as short as possible. Like you're like, I'm going to be like, when this comes off, I'm like, oh my God, I'm naked. But also it's like, I'd rather just have clothes on and get on with my day. Yeah. And it was just crazy. And just having a, you know, just, just talking and chatting and like telling stories and

just no thought. And, and to me me even it's just the tiniest barrier of underwear makes all the difference oh god all if you just have so much as a pair of tighty whities on then i then it immediately it goes to okay to me i'm like no you can hang out forever because there's just that tiniest barrier between the private parts i 100 but i think i think what you're describing though i think that's a dying art right does anyone under the age of like 60 take that approach anymore i don't i don't think anybody that but but it made me wonder like are do they do it on purpose

just because they're old and they don't have anything else so they're like yeah let's just we're all in they're all in on it together. That might be it too. There's a good chance. Let's all sit around naked and make them uncomfortable for like a really long period of time. Like we're also, like we're kind of at a point where like, this is comparable to if we're in high school,

we're complaining about dads and now we're on the flip side of it. We're like, oh, we're dads, we get it now. It's like just this unspoken code that once you cross, once you cross over to like 70 years old, you're like, all right, you can be naked as much as you want now and inflict the pain on the young guys. And I guess it's just like, I think they just don't care. They're like, nah, what do I care?

Like, what do you care about anything at that point? I don't know. You're just happy to be alive. Yes. So I did play noon ball. I did survive, survive but oh my god am i hurting from that are you you're feeling it holy crap were you even feeling it like while it was going on were you were you by the end of it so i played for too long you know i should have cut it early um but i can't help it it is so much fun and i just but i just yeah i just can't help like

the competitive uh nature of it it's just it's just uh easy really easy to get wrapped into it and it is it is really fun but i just played probably like 20 minutes longer than i should have i should would you say it was the shoes that were propelling you to to go hard did the shoes arrive yet i don't know i don't have the shoes yet so i was and shoes that were propelling you to, to go hard? Did the shoes arrive yet? I don't know. I don't have the shoes yet. So I was, and that, that's the other part of the potential problem. I have no,

we had to, like I talked about it. I have no basketball shoes to wear. So the best option I could come up with after like looking through everything was my Reebok TR lights, you know, like, because I'm like,

no, it's not the best option, but it's not terrible. No, that was by far my best option. And, but my feet were hurting after it. And like my one, actually both my calves, but one of my calves, I feel like I strained like quite a bit that I'm like, wow, my calf is really hurting. That would be my thing every year. I, when I played volleyball every year that that volleyball would start up in the fall i must just instinctively jump off my left foot all the time my left calf i'd wake up in the morning with the craziest tightness in it and it felt like it was bruised but i think instinctively you have a leg that you prefer to jump off of

and that that's what that's the same thing too and that's what i was gonna say it's the jumping that you know because i do a little bit of cardio not a lot but a little bit I run around a little bit so it's two things it's the the quick starting the cutting the starting and stopping so much that's hard on my feet and then also it's the jumping I'm like I don't jump for any you know I'd never do jumping and even if I do like box jumps occasionally in the gym it's so controlled and yep yeah you're very and also patterned and also box jumps it's way more about getting your legs up than it is about jumping and jumping in a basketball game is about height like what your legs doesn't matter you know I I had said I'm really gonna like make sure not to be jumping

and stuff like that and it's hard to not do that though well and yeah it is and like that's what happened and I think even when I did in my calf there was one rebound that I really like it was and stuff like that. It's hard to not do that, though. Yeah, it is, and that's what happened. I think even when I did the Nike half, there was one rebound that I really, like it was the first time in the game that I really jumped, and it's probably like the highest I've jumped in a decade. You know, it could very, like it sounds funny. Should have had SportsCenter there.

They would have just gone nuts for it. No, I'm not saying it was high, the highest I've jumped in a decade, which my body just isn't ready for, you know, it's just like throwing it into the fire all at once. And I could feel it. But it was really fun. But the cardio, the other thing I can feel is the burning in my chest,

even over a day later now, just like my chest hasn't started, like, right in here. I don't know. You know that feeling where you start getting into the back of your throat. 100%, yep. And the other thing I thought, oh, this is going to be great, is I'm going to sleep so good tonight. Between kind of my body aches and stuff,

and then I can't come down from the adrenaline rush either, too. Really? Like, I just start. Wait, what time are you playing this at? Noon. And you're still not sleeping not the adrenaline rush but the thought the like uh like i'll be like oh if i if i had a couple good shots i'll relive those couple good passes but then more so like like the like if the turnovers too just like like something so so let me, there's nothing that would be more meaningless than like a noon pickup basketball game. Nothing could be possibly less meaningless.

But then when you make an error. Oh, God, yeah, yeah. Then I think about that. I'm like, God, that was a stupid pass. Like, it's just like, will eat at me. You know, I'll be laying in bed at 10 p.m. And I'll be like, God, that was a dumb pass. You know, I'll be like, I know better than that that what am i doing with my life yes yes uh so but all of that

funny all of that funny i did think it was fun but i might try to do it i'd like to do it twice per week i honestly not joking when i say i don't know that my body can handle i was gonna say if you did that twice per week though you'd be in pretty damn good cardio shape. Yes, yes, because I usually lift three days per the work week. So I do have two days there where I could go if my schedule allowed it. But I don't know if my body will allow it at first. That's not even a joke. When I woke up this morning, because I had to squat today, I'm like, I don't know what squats are going to feel like today.

But it's funny, once I got a little warmed up into the squats, something like squatting is such just isolated movement. And I'm like, it was just fine. You know, like there was nothing, you know, a little bit of uncomfort, you know, uncomfortableness and stuff. But I'm like, oh, my strength is just, you know, it'sleness and stuff but i'm like oh my strength is just you know it's not negatively affecting anything that really mattered but um yeah so maybe maybe once twice a week noon ball damn it can be a baller here before we know it there was uh uh a lot of people doing it too you know it's funny how many people are playing at noon? There's 15, so we were rotating teams of five, you know, winter stays, that sort of thing.

But, like, two games, two consecutive games was enough that every time I play, if I had to play two consecutive games, well, and games is a relative term, it's like best of five all by ones. And sometimes that's usually like a 10- to 15-minute game. Oh, you just leave the clock going? First, yeah, that's usually like a 10 to 15 minute game uh you just let the clock going first first yeah that's the other thing when you're new to these things i always have to pick up on the rules because like places all have their set rules so they play everything's a one you know if you shoot from half court it's a one point shot and it's first two five first team to five points oh yeah okay and you think that that would

not take does that ever go really fast though has that gone yet some of them go fast but not very often okay you know because that's it's interesting the all by ones is an interesting uh thought because like it really cuts down the incentive to even want to take a three then but so many people still want to shoot threes, which is a funny thought to me, like how the number of people there that are still shooting threes. Yeah. And I'm just like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Well, it doesn't because mathematically the incentive behind threes is you only have to make half as money because you're getting 50% more. But then once you take that out of the equation, I guess unless you're a good three-point shooter and the shot's wide open, it's hard to justify that shot. We always played pickup basketball ones and twos. That's what I did a lot of where it was ones and twos. But that's a funny thing if you really think about it too because you're so incentivizing the three-point shot.

It's worth twice as much. Instead of being 50% higher, it's worth twice as much. So you should just shoot threes constantly in that setting. No one had math or statistics in the early 2000s so we didn't we didn't know these things at that time right right i did uh just to toot my own horn in the first game i did make the game winner a sweet little bank shot from mid range just like i was talking about last week so i i did i did leave that first game i made a couple buckets in the last one, and I thought, you know, I don't care if I make another shot the whole game

because first impressions is what matters, and people will remember that. Yep, they've felt my presence. I made an impact here today. So more to come. But the biggest takeaway, I talked way too much about the basketball, but what I really wanted to talk about was the locker room and how that uh feeling of like uh really old dudes being buck naked and how that really is a thing it's not just a meme i guess for the official follow

up on locker rooms just stay tuned for like episode 1500 where uh we'll provide more context to how we're how we're doing in locker rooms when we're old. Someone in reference to your move there, someone wanted to know about your gym plan then. So I will have more information on that next week. Okay. So are you saying it's not set in stone yet? It's not 100% set in stone, but I have like a 95% idea of what I'm going to do,

but that's on my, that's on my tomorrow list. So you're not letting the cat out of the bag yet. No, I'll, it'll probably be a good chunk of the episode next week. So stay tuned. Okay.

Well, that'll be, we'll stay, we will stay tuned then. What about these? What else? You got one other topic that was kind of wondering what times are guests coming on at 9 30 9 45 oh 9 45 oh yeah i cannot get it through

my head what time we're starting here tanner uh i really thought it was 9 30 are you sure 9 45 yep i'm pretty positive i'm just i'm just double checking all right. Oh, yeah. I'll let you double check. Because it'll be in the email right here. Yep. Okay. 945. Woo. Good thing you're paying attention because I am not. All right.

I put a little thing in here called iPods. You're familiar with iPods, Tanner, as a... Yeah. What do I have? You know what I have, but I don't really know what mine are called. Okay. What is there? We got...

Mine are just regular old first. Well, not all of them. Is there one or two iPod Touches down there? Oh, iPods. Wait a second. I was thinking of... Oh, AirPods. AirPods.

I was thinking of AirPods. Okay. Sorry. Back it up. That's how stupid I am here. Let's go back a little bit now. iPods. iPods.

Okay, now I'm even more interested that we're talking about iPods. Yes, I love iPods. Okay, now I'm even more interested that we're talking about iPods. Yes, I love iPods. Yep, the gym houses. It has one or two iPod touches, which for people that don't remember the naming conventions here, the iPod touches is basically like an iPhone before iPhones, really. So there's iPod touches. There's a couple of the iPod Classic is kind of the late name,

but the original iPod the one with the turny click wheel you know with a little little screen at the top right has the click wheel you know there's not the screen but then are you talking about the what isn't the nano was the nano there was the nano but the nano but that was the tiny one yes and also the nano came in like 10 different sizes as time went on like it was never a consistent size because i had one that was like that you know it had a little screen not like the ones not the what are the ones in the gym that have the big they're big yeah that'd be like the ipod like classic okay yeah okay that was just the ipod and then later on in time after the ipod touch came out

i believe they referred to it as the ipod classic it was the one with the big scrolly quick click wheel so is that the first ever iPod? I mean, that format. Or did the first ones not have a screen? No, the first ones had a screen, but the very first ones, the screen was just like blue. Like a bright blue screen with dark blue text.

And then at one point, I think it was like the second one ever, instead of having the buttons on the wheel, you know, top, bottom, left, right, they had all four buttons actually above the wheel. So the wheel was its own thing. I think they only did that one time. And then all the other times the buttons were back in the wheel, but yeah. So that variation of the, you know, the device existed for years and years. Then there's iPod mini, there's iPod shuffle, iPod nanos, so many variations of it as time went on, but the iPod has been officially dead apple has not made i think

the ipod classic has been gone for i don't know five maybe eight years now and then the ipod touch i think has been gone for like three or four so you can't buy an ipod apple does not make ipods anymore they've even they weren't even they were even making them as recent as a few years ago well i think the reason the ipod touch hung around so long is it gave parents, it gave them a device to buy their kids that wasn't an iPhone, you know? So now I think for the most part, people just, if they need their kids to have a device like that, they just hand down the old iPhone. That's exactly what we did.

Yes, if you weren't at that stage yet, you could buy a brand new iPod Touch for $200, which is still relatively cheap in the scheme of things if you don't need the calling feature. But in news of what everything's old is new again, here's the headline. Urban Outfitters will sell you a vintage iPod for $350 to celebrate the device's 22nd anniversary. And so are you familiar with Urban Outfitters? The name? I guess I'm not sure what that is, though. It's like a...

I'll look it up. It's just a clothing company. Yeah. I guess I would say it's like the wrong way to say it, but I'd say it's like a hipster clothing lifestyle company. So they have a lot of like 90s and 80s and 2000s graphic tees, things like that. And they'll have some home decor and just random weird shit in there.

And it's all super trendy kind of stuff. And it's not cheap. I mean, you could spend $45 on a t-shirt there if you wanted to. They're not selling things like H&M. So you're basically saying they're taking just blank tees, putting their logos on them, and then charging. Not even their logos. Someone else's logos and charging more. Yes.

It's insane as that sounds. What a racket. Yes. In one of their continued vintage-y things that they're always doing, apparently they sold out of their iPod mini units, which they were selling for $200 a piece on their website. So are these refurbished? They must be in some way, but not by Apple. And it says, for reference, the iPod Mini cost $99 when it was introduced by Apple in 2005. And so they're selling that for $200 now. Oh.

The iPod Color 4th generation, I'm reading them off the list here the ipod fourth generation and ipod classic fifth generation are still available for a cool 350 dollars you know what this means you're sitting on a gold we're sitting on a freaking gold mine all these foolish people that have been bringing in their ipods donating into the gym and here here we are. It's been a... We played them on the long con. You just sit long enough and it'll... I guess if you're really going to

do the hindsight's 2020 thing, $350 invested into Apple in 2005 would be worth a lot more money now than whatever you paid for that iPod to sell it back. True. But if you do have a stash of iPods sitting around, apparently there is.

And these things sold out. I tried to click the links on Urban Outfitters. It just says, sorry, this product is gone. So people were buying these. They don't exist anymore. Do you have any idea what blanks Urban Outfitter uses for their tees? Well, that's a great question. I always love me a good blank. Maybe we should write to Mr. Outfitters and ask him if he can answer that question for us. See how consistent the fit is as well.

That reminds me, make sure to check out massonomics.com i'm wearing the uh blue ribbon power lifting tee right now it went for sale earlier this month and we do still have some available so you can check out the blue ribbon power lifting tee as well as the the new hoodie right if you wear the new hoodie at all oh yeah i wear the new hoodie all the time it's one of my favorites actually actually i have to tell myself to not wear it so much because i think the few people i see in public like the daycare people they probably think this is the only thing i wear so i got to make sure to intentionally change up my wardrobe but do they know about the whole coat thing they don't know that though i i actually thought maybe i should bring a piece of paper and be like you don't understand how this works this is a coat

you can't judge me you should wear that like What are you talking about? We don't even know what you're doing. It's like that meme where the guy's standing in the corner and it's like, yeah, they're all judging me because they think I'm wearing the same sweatshirt, but it's actually a coat. We don't even know what you're wearing. The two people dancing. One of my

favorite parts of our podcast is when we get to uh vocally describe needs but then when you get it to paint the word picture yeah that's always gonna okay we'll do one more the uh the uh what's the um joaquin phoenix let's see the joker whatever the one where he's smoking the cigarette and it can just do. You wouldn't get it. It's a coat, not a sweatshirt, not a hoodie. It's a coat.

It doesn't need to be washed. Yeah. See, it got me again. I was even going into that. I'm like, oh, it won't be funny if we do it again.

Describing memes with words. Okay. We'll do one more. We'll do the astronauts. Okay. The astronauts behind him and the guy. He's like, you mean you don't have to wash it? It was a coat the whole time. So have you washed yours at all?

I have not washed it. I get kind of afraid to wash them. I don't want the fit to change at all on me. Yeah, it's blanks. You know how the blanks go. And in addition to all that we also have... I was in the pool! In addition to that we have this patch

hat. I also wear that out and about as well. I don't have one of these yet or the hoodie but I keep thinking about them. They're on my mind if I only knew where to find some of them. If only there was a way. We can't spare them from the inventory.

No, no. You do not. What if there's anything I've learned? It's you do not want to get high off of your own supply. You don't. Is that correct? Yep. That's the rules.

We've got supporting our supporting members this week, Tommy. So are you familiar with the segment? It's a relative. I mean, relatively speaking, for being a real, is it still fair to say that relatively speaking, this is a relatively new for being a relatively new segment. I'm intimately involved with this. But do you think that that is even fair to like, and could you justify saying that this is

a relatively new segment still at this point i guess if you looked at like the whole mass dynamics podcast when you consider that it's not in the first half it's in the last half which makes it younger than at least new mean oh you know in the second half yeah it's in the second act i mean right a lot of people would go with that definition some people would say well it's in the second act. I mean, a lot of people would go with that definition. Some people would say, well, it's happened more than once, so it's not new. But it's somewhere between happening more than once and happening in the last half is what qualifies as new. So it's prefaced with relatively.

Right. So relatively really opens up the options there. Relatively, the word relatively before anything, I think gives you carte blanche. I don't know if I'm using that phrase correctly, but I think I'm relatively saying carte blanche. I think relatively you're saying carte blanche correctly. And then I also think that does harken to exponentially as well.

Exponentially before anything gives you carte blanche to use that however you would like. Just exaggerate as much or as little. Exponentially just means more. First of all, it just means more. Like quite a bit more. Quite a bit more exponentially. Yep.

My son ate two pieces of pizza and I ate exponentially more. But relatively speaking, this is a relatively new segment of the podcast, supporting our supporting members. So we've got this group of supporting members members which shout out to all the supporting members been growing a little bit here uh in the last month so just excited to see some of those new faces that have come in there we always like to have a new supporting member so thanks everyone discord great faces great places south dakota i can't i Dakota. Can you hear someone say great faces, great places? Great faces, great places.

Actually, I forgot about that until right now, but I knew instantly what you were talking about. Everyone else does not. I do. We know. We know what it's about. But it has been growing, and we love to see the new faces in there, and we're appreciative of everyone that new faces in there and we were appreciative

of everyone that stuck around for a while when you become a supporting member of the massomics podcast it's essentially perk city here's why it's perk city there's a lot of perks that you get when you sign up one of them just to name one of them you get a discount code two of them just to name another one of them. You get access to our Discord community, our exclusive Discord community filled with only supporting members. Three of them just to name a third one. You can say Perk City now.

Population U. And then also another thing we send out surprise free gifts. A few of those a year. I'll say that generally. There's no set schedule but I think we do a few of those a year i'll say that generally there's no set schedule but i think we do a few of those big things coming and then you get uh if you want here's a real talk if you want any chance of being able to sign up for the lift hard live easy classic 2024

the supporting members are going to get their first shot at that. Also, Mass Amics Gym members are a much smaller population, but they'll get their early shot at it too. But supporting members are going to get the first shot at that. If you're not a supporting member, you might not make the cut. Your chances of getting in are significantly decreased. You're going to be fighting over a really small piece of the pie. So not to lord that over you, but that's kind of an advantage that the supporting members are going to have.

Just something to think about. And then they get to know about new drops, early drop information, early access drops, stuff like that. And we like to give back to them, bringing it all back around this segment, supporting our supporting members. We talk about a few of them that we notice that are doing cool stuff. So this week, Big Lucas S was competing at Strongman Corp Nats. I do not know for sure how Big Lucas did. Big Keith is listening. Big Keith might know.

I think Big Lucas trains out there by him somewhere. I'm not sure how he did at Strongman Corp Nats, but just competing there is a cool experience, no doubt. And also competing there was Big Tyler Thompson at Strongman Corp Nats. And he qualified for the Arnold, for the Arnold, big amateur Arnold Strongman competition. Is it because Bobby's his dad?

Yes. Bobby is his father, his biological father. Biological father. That will forever remind me of Mike, because I've heard Mike use that phrase twice now in our past. And it's so funny. One was about where he said, ah, yes, Jordan Feather is my biological son. And then when we were leaving the gym on the gym tour, he said, oh, you guys are welcome back anytime.

And we were like, oh, all right, we'll be here tomorrow. And he's like, ah, yes, you two are now my biological sons. Yes. My adopted biological sons. That's so stupid. Yes. So stupid. Yes.

Big Tyler Thompson, close relative of some sort to Bobby Thompson, did qualify for the Arnold, so we'll be seeing him in March. That'll be cool. Very good. Then Big Daisy did his first comp, his first powerlifting meet in seven years. He had a 529 squat, a 308 bench, and a 551 deadlift. Nice. First in his class of two. Very so beat that other dude then uh big toby did a strongman competition um that's whatever that

where was that where's that at because there was other crew that were there well are they in arizona or was this yeah where was it like coachella's strongest yeah it's not like coachella okay strong yeah they all had like they all wore like the indian headdresses that you do when you get a coachella and right and that's what they that was their little festival goers aren't they yeah uh and he got first in his class and there was other big crew there to support uh big moto was there and big andrew was there and big mr back abs was also there i don't know if those guys ran into big mr back abs but he said he was also there i think i saw the picture those guys together it looked like a fun time yeah beck jesus thanks for inviting us yeah i wish i would have been there i normally go to coachella every year this is the one year i haven't gone

of course the one year i take off that's always yeah and then last but not least you could check out unpaid and underrated this last week their big crew member guest this week was big ryan johnson none other than jacked and ginger none other than than co-star of the HBO hit series. What's it called, Tommy? The Righteous Gemstones. The Righteous Gemstones. Catch him on The Righteous Gemstones every Tuesday night on HBO. Season 12 starting tomorrow.

He was in the God Squad, though, and you can hear more about him other than just being on the God squad if you listen to this week's Unpaid and Underrated podcast. Something else I wanted to tell everyone about is Juggernaut AI. This is the smartest programming for you. Juggernaut AI is like having an expert power lifting coach right there in your palm or in your pocket wherever you're putting your phone right there it's like having a expert power lifting pocket in your cell phone belt clip if that's how you what you put your phone and have

you ever had one of those sami i never have i've only only dreamt about it i have never had a cell phone belt clip i don't know i don't think that's something i'll ever have as a cell phone belt clip. I don't know. I don't think that's something I'll ever have is a cell phone belt clip holder. I say, hey, you know, they make pockets, right? They invented pockets just for this. I don't see me having one of those, but I digress. Wherever it is you choose to put your phone, right inside of it. I'm so pro belt holder that I have a belt holder for my phone, a belt holder for my keys, a belt holder for my wallet, a belt holder for not phone a belt holder for my keys a belt holder for my

wallet a belt holder for uh not my chapstick but someone else's chapstick I just have them all in my belt it's like Batman that sounds like I was gonna say you sound like Batman over there Batman of uh crap this is worth doing might as well put it on my belt put it out there that's definitely Batman plus I have a big oversized western cowboy belt buckle in the middle too yeah so these things just wrap all the way around me it actually brings your pants down because there's so much weight i have to have a belt for my belt to hold it all up yes uh check out juggernaut ai it's the training that timey and i both use hey we've used it for months and months and months now, and we've been able to see progress on that.

And, you know, I don't have to take our word for it, though. Check it out for yourself. There's a free trial. You can check that out. I think you get like a 30-day free trial maybe. And it's one of those apps where it is actually pretty beneficial to actually get the free trial and look at it. And if you've never used like a, even if you've used some other strength training apps before, this kind of could blow you away.

I think not to overemphasize it, but I think it could blow you away the first time you see it and you go, wow, this kind of kicks ass. Go in there, play around with it. If you choose to sign up, the best part here is you can use a discount code massonomics that'll save you 10 for the lifetime of that membership it ends up being about 30 bucks a month is all for for that so not much more than the price of uh one cup of coffee per week uh not much more than like two cheeseburgers at mcdonald's yes in your pocket uh would you say that the app not only kicks ass, it relatively kicks ass compared to other apps on the market? But does saying relatively just like discount,

also does it discount whatever you're saying next? Okay. Like you're saying like, yeah. Would you say it literally kicks ass? Yeah. That's another thing. Because that's a good way to use literally. It's not an actual literal sense.

People do that a lot, though. That's almost the rule for literally is it can't actually be literally. Yeah. No, it does relatively kick ass, but I just wonder if you, by saying relatively, you're saying relatively because you have to say it because otherwise it's not true. Right, right, right, right. It's very context dependent.

Those words are just great for spinning things whatever way you want to spin them, though, aren't they? Yeah, relatively, literally, exponentially, yes. Yeah, they're great. Great modifiers. It's all a part of spinning something the way you want it spun. What a tangled web we weave. Spinning a tangled web, yes. Yeah.

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Swiss link. Thanks for Swiss Link. Is our guest getting on the horn yet? Not quite yet. Do we still have people on live or did we boot them off yet? Oh, here's our guest right here. I'm going to boot everyone right now. Okay.

While you're booting them, I'll just mention. Reporting them for sexual aggravation. They should never be able to attend a work meeting again. Obviously. That'd be awesome. That's actually how, cause it does ask every time you boot someone, if you want to report them,

can you report them for a terrorist? It'd be amazing if I reported them and it gave me a reason. And these accounts actually did get banned. And these people just for weeks on end, we're getting, okay, I'm a, I'm going to let our guests in right now,

though. Oh, there we go. There we go. Good. You guys can hear me okay oh yeah yes sir nice good to see you guys yeah how's it going yeah good to see you too man it's just like i just i pictured you at the arnold still i don't know why we just live there like all year long we're like arnold trolls that's right i was like i was like they're probably gonna be with there's a trailer there's a booth that's what there's gonna be every march they's a trailer, there's a booth, that's what they're going to be doing. Every March, they open the doors and we come out. It's really boring the other 362 days of the year, but we're really ready

for when people start showing up. Yeah, what's your rent like at the convention center? We just clean the bathrooms. Yeah. That would not be worth it. Cleaning the bathrooms there would not be worth the free booth rent to tell you the truth. I know that rent's going up, but that seems a little excessive, to be honest.

Cut us a break. Come on. They said that San Diego is apparently the most expensive place in the United States to live. But Columbus, Ohio is giving us a run for our money. Yes. All right, Big Jordan. We're just going to jump right into it if you're ready to go. We've got so much good stuff to talk about here.

We don't want to miss any of it. Yeah, let's do it. Also, is this live? You guys do it live. Well, so we have our guests technically live with us for the first half, but this all gets edited, so this won't come out. They're kicked out now. They don't see this.

So no one will see this until – yeah so no one's no one's listening live and if you you slipped up and said uh uh you know you murdered someone last night or something we can edit that out still there's still time yeah that was tonight yeah no for the feds listening no that's not i'm kidding okay for the feds that are yes definitely listening definitely listening. Yes, definitely. That's right. Yes. Yeah. No, so we'll jump into it, Big Jordan. We're excited to get you back on the Mastonomics Podcast, a return guest.

Luckily for you, we joined the 21st century with this one, and we now do this video. Last time we were on, I think we were just old-fashioned rotary phone calls. It's a cell phone. I was waiting for a text. I was like, oh shoot, no, we got Zoom. I get to use the fancy mic. You guys are leveling up. Congratulations. Technology wizards over here. It was Dr. Mike. He made

fun of us so much that one time about not doing it on Zoom. We were like, okay, I guess we have to do it now. We can't stand harassment. If Israetel is trolling you you must change that's he's actually the behavior change specialist and what he does he just berates people into changing that's his tactic is like relentless uh harassment the cyber bullying can only go so far before we cave yeah right yeah no you guys got fancy mics oh it sounds great i love it you just did a meet power lifting meet like so we're just kind of coincidentally uh let's just say heck we planned

it that way we wanted to talk to you right after your meet so we could recap it but uh you did uh at a big allen's place there untamed strength correct yeah no yeah uh this is at untamed strength sacramento california's uspa meet um the way i pick meets is kind of i don't know it's probably not the way most people do it most people they'll pick a meet and then train for it and then go go do it the way i i do it is kind of in reverse i'm always training right and that's not a flight it's just i just like training and if my lifts are going well i start getting a hankering to compete, right? Because you're like, oh, I could actually PR, I could set a PR total PR lift, whatever. And so training was going well. And I go,

I probably got somewhere between five to seven weeks before this streak of good luck, good juju, good energy, whatever kind of ends Peter's out. So I need to find a meet that has a spot open is ideally within driving distance or somewhere I can a quick flight. And also is somewhere where the homies are going to be. Cause I don't want to go, I don't want to fly across the country and show up and just be like, well, Hey, it's kind of fun for it to be fun. Right. That's the whole point. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So people are like, why did you do this local meet? It was, it was a local USPA meet in Sacramento, California. They're like, why did you do that? Instead of like nationals or whatever. And I'm like, I, the reason I compete right now

is for me to beat my own total. Like, and that's, and I want to set myself up for success. I don't love like the huge meets all a thousand people have signed up. I'm like, that's cool to go to. And if like, if you want to compete against the best in your division, great. But for me, I'm like, how do I set myself up for success so I can hit the biggest total period? Cause that's for me. That's why I'm still involved in the sport. So Alan told me he was throwing on, putting on this meet and I was like, great.

I love that gym. I love Alan. Let's go with God and do this thing and, uh, see if I can get some of that untamed energy. And, uh, yeah, this was like the first meet that's come together since maybe 2014, 2015. And what I mean by that is in 2014, I totaled 1795. I squatted 640, a bench 430 and pulled 725. And the reason why those are all like non kilo, like correct numbers is because they didn't even have kilo plates at this particular meet. Like, yeah, but I was in medical school and it was a local gym and I was like, great. And so I've been chasing that dragon since 2014.

I did that meet with knee wraps. And then I was like, I want to beat that total in knee sleeves. And every meet that I've done since I haven't been able to crack it either. You know, some, one of the lifts I wasn't that strong or, you know, I just, you know, trying to get a raw squat with knee sleeves up to your squat with knee wraps that's a whole that's a whole different deal or dealing with an injury or whatever and so everything just came together i pr'd my total pr'd all my lifts honestly i thought about if i flocked out my third deadlift 733 set it down i go do i kiss the plates should i just

should i just be done and then i was like, but immediately when I sat down, I go, I could probably pull 750 at some point. It's classic. I need to compete again. That is though, as far as powerlifting goes, that is the ultimate redemption story. You had nine years from the time you hit this number to the time you break it. And the number of people out there, I'm in the same boat. Tanner would probably even say to an extent too of like man that that number was back how many years ago I just know the next one's just right around the

corner I could get there it all goes together I can get there but that's it's hard to get there yeah yeah that's that is the way I think I went like 2016 until eventually like 2021 and hit a PR total and it had been so it's uh yeah yeah yeah and it's a i what i'd be curious how um you know how important is it to you in the sense that you've obviously in that span of time you've done a lot of stuff you know a lot of big stuff med school uh started a pretty successful business here and just a lot of other stuff that's very important in life. Like how much do you care? Like, uh, were you, had you had the meat not gone well, would you have been down on it and having it gone? Well, like, are you super high on it? Like where,

where does it fit in for you personally? Yeah. I mean, well, uh, the simple answer is this meat, it was the best meat of my life just, I mean, demonstrably so because it's a PR total, right? I'm nine for nine. This is my 28th meet. And it's the first time I've ever gone nine for nine. And so as far as where it ranks to me, it's importance or value or whatever. It's at the top. And again, to your point, I did have to, I did all this other stuff in the interim,

which was great. And from a life and lifestyle and like meaningfulness, all the other stuff is great, but I still never got to scratch that itch of like, but I finally all time, regardless of equipment, regardless of gear, whatever I PR my total. And that's, I've been trying to do that. And I do love competing. I've done raw nationals a number of times. I've done big regional meets a bunch of times. I've done, you know, big money meets a bunch of times as well. And those are all, they're different because it's not necessarily about PRing, right? It's about winning. And this one was solely about, I want to beat the 2014 version of myself who was able to roll out

of my bed, my normal bed I slept in, go down to the gym. I trained at all the time, have the homies who were judging me, load the bar, you know, whatever. And yeah, everything was great on that day too. And so it's like, can I, can I replicate that somehow? And so I, yeah, to me, this is the best meet I've ever done. It does mean a lot to me, even if it was just in some cases, a backyard meet as a local meet. I don't think that matters. I don't think so either. We know that. Yeah, that's that's.

But, you know, some people would say, well, wouldn't it mean more to you if it was at USAPL Raw Nationals or Worlds or whatever? I'm like, well, if I had to choose. Yeah, sure. I would love to set a PR total at the biggest meet of the entire world. That would be fantastic, too. But I also felt like I needed to do this period, like full stop. And so I was glad to do it here. And if I get the opportunity to compete at an even higher level, I'll do that. What's really on the docket, I'm 38. I'll be 39 next year. I'll be 40 the year after that. And I'm like, Ooh, I'll be masters. Yeah. I'll be relevant again.

I'll be masters. I'll be relevant again. So, so I think it is funny. I turned up in grand Cayman. Um, they had the North American powerlifting federations regional championship. So it's just all in North America. And, um, I was, I was coaching and I see Lane Norton and, uh, Michael, uh, uh, Garazzo. These are guys I competed with for years and years and years. And they're like, wait, are you, are you competing? Are you in the master's division right now? Like not yet guys, don't worry, but it's, it's coming. So, so yeah, it would be cool to do it at a huge meet that like quote meant a lot to other people, but this, this meet meant a lot to me. And, uh, again, going nine for nine, hitting a PR total. I could tell as soon as I did my very first squat, I was like, yeah, I'm nervous. I'm actually like every lift, I was like, I don't know if I have any more than that. And the person handling me fortunately was like,

you're strong today. The weights are moving fast. I'm going to be aggressive. So you get this total because that's why you're here. And I'm like, okay, we'll just go with God and do this thing. And yeah, it worked out. But I did, I thought after I did my, my first bench attempt, for example, I was like, I only have two and a half kilos left. That's it. And she's she goes, no, we're going up 10. And I'm like, are you sure? And she's like, yeah, just smoke it. Just push harder this time.

I'm like, okay. I thought after my last, yeah. After my last warmup attempt for deadlifts in the warm-up room i go i i turn where i go hey how did that how did that look and she goes fast stupid fast and i go i don't know i might miss my opener if i'm honest what's wrong with you i was just nervous i was just nervous because i knew that i had to be perfect in order to meet to to pr total so yeah long story short it meant a lot to me still does i'm riding high this is is the best meet of my life and I'm happy I get to talk about it. So not that anyone, look, if you're listening to the Massanomics podcast and you're like, why are you guys talking about this stupid powerlifting meet with this stupid doctor?

I'm like, look, I don't know either, but it doesn't mean a lot to me. So, you know, whatever. Well, it's because you went nine for nine. If you didn't, you wouldn't be having this conversation. You knew what was on the line. I totally, I thought, so I ripped my hand on my first deadlift attempt right a little bit and i go shoot we should just jump to my third right now because i think i might have one pull left and she looks she goes stop being an idiot you're fine and i'm like okay i'll do it like just so i i almost did just self-sabotage and go eight for nine and still hit a pr total but i'm glad

that i finally out of yeah i got that off my back did nine for nine and uh yeah pr by total by by seven pounds did you say that's your 28th meet too is that what you said 28 28 wow that is a lot of that's an impressive resume do you that's really uh walking the walk i guess i would say do you feel like uh maybe for barbell medicines case or any reason, do you feel like you have to do that in order for – do you either feel like that now or did you ever have that feeling like you had to do that? Yeah, I've definitely had that feeling probably between like right when I was graduating medical school, like so 2015 into 2017, mainly because competing then it took a lot more out of me, not just from like, like energy that not really that but like planning because it's

like, okay, I have to take boards here. I'll be on this rotation that's not really conducive to training for a meet or traveling for a meet, for example. So I have to like I had to plan things and it really did. It took a lot out of me. And I started getting this sense like, what if at some point I can't compete for like a whole year or two years? And that's like barring any injury or anything else going on like that. So I definitely have felt that pressure before. I kind of got over that because honestly, at Barbell Medicine, we coach a wide spectrum

of people. Like coaching is part of the business, rehab stuff for injuries and stuff. That's a bigger part. And then, you know, obviously the educational material for CME, CEUs, that stuff's another whole part, but coaching, I would say 20% of our clientele actually compete. Right. Some of them at the international level for sure. But we also have like, you know, people in their ninth decade of life. we have people, you know, 80 year olds that are, we're coaching. One of the people we just started coaching, like is a very, they're a high level person with the FDA. And so they're, but then they had COVID and they lost a bunch of muscle mass or whatever. And they randomly turned up at one of our seminars,

had it be never lifted before. Right. And so we're like coaching them, like how to build muscle, get their muscle mass back, how to get stronger or whatever. And so like we do the whole spectrum. And so those people don't care. They're like, Oh, you did lift 700 pounds. I don't even, I don't even know what that is. It doesn't make any sense. Right. But the, but like for the social media folks, for, for people who are super into powerlifting, yeah, it would be weird if we were in that powerlifting space without actually competing. And so I've definitely felt that pressure. Although I do admittedly feel it less now, because I'm like, I've already done this stuff, you know, and for those, for the people out there,

they're like, Oh, I went on open powerlifting. There's only, you know, 18 meets that you have records for. How do you 28, where does that number come from? Well, I I've done a 10, 10 or more strength lifting meets so instead of the bench press it's the squat the overhead press deadlift and open powerlifting like well that's not powerlifting like i agree so don't put don't put my numbers in there but i did i did a bunch of those do they record those somewhere like those are probably those probably exist somewhere does strength lifting have a database or something they don't have yeah i mean you think about the time before open powerlifting. I think

it was Sean Stangle, I think. I think he was the guy who kind of came up with the open powerlifting idea. He's like, why is there no real database? I'm like, well, powerlifting watch exists. And then we were all like, uh, kind of. So sort of, yeah. Yeah. So all of the results from the strength lifting meets are published, but they're not collective, like collated in like a database. Right. There's no open strong lifts.com sitting. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, the guy who used to, I guess, promote all of the meats or organize all of the meats, um, Tom Campitelli, he works for Barbell Medicine now. He basically sold or, you know, gave away what he was doing with the, the strength lifting fed Federation to another group.

I think it's the USSF, United States Strength Lifting Federation. Although now, instead of it being squat, press, deadlift, it's press and deadlift. So it's really just a push-pull sort of thing. And I thought about reentering because I thought it would be cool to do like a 1,000-pound push-pull total without the press. And now I'm like, am I just making this stuff up? Would that be cool? Go after these goal pulls somewhere like, yeah, I can hit that one. I'll do it.

What do you think the highest push pull is for press deadlift? Like if you had to... They kind of battle each other in a way too by typically what you think someone's built for. They sort of are. Yeah.

But like Eddie Hall. Yeah. Like some of the strongmen though have crazy numbers though. Could probably press close to 400 pounds and they can probably deadlift 800, 900 or whatever. And so it's probably, I would guess in that 12 to 1400 pound range is probably. So I'm like, look,

if I can do a thousand. Yeah. The ratio there, the deadlift is so important too though. Right. Like in those with those two lifts yeah yeah the difference between good and great at deadlift is like four or five hundred pounds where right yeah you're spread on overhead press yeah yeah yeah if i have like a pr day on the press i'm gonna press 300 i have a bad day i'm gonna press 285 you know but on a deadlift it could be the difference between 660 and 740 or something yeah which is a huge huge gap so yeah you know look if you guys ever decide to sponsor a powerlifting

meet or a strength meet or whatever or start our own federation or yeah look you could there's not which there's not enough of let me first of all say if there's one thing we need it's more federations yes push pull press deadlift and further you have to stipulate can't be sumo just for look if you want to be a jerk about it you just yeah you can't you got to pull conventional well you got to make some hard lines in the sand you know you can't just let everything slide so that's yeah you guys are you're a men of principle you can't just that's right yeah so we do have principles over here we've got a number of of of small little games we have for you to play in this episode oh yeah the first one being uh something we're pulling out of our vault that we've played

in the past it's called supplements real or fake okay and uh we'll have a few supplements and it's your job to to try and decide if this is a in fact a real supplement that can be that is sold and can be purchased or if it is a fake supplement and uh barbell medicine you you sell you have some supplements correct uh so you can you're a bit of an expert a connoisseur of supplements yeah right all right yeah i'll take that yeah we'll use that term expert charitably no i i think yeah with respect to evidence-based supplements i feel like i have a good uh beat on good beat on my finger on the pulse there. But there's stuff that's out there that I've definitely never heard of, and so I'm excited to get owned here.

Just a few of them here. First one, Little Shits. Little Shits. I'm going to say that's fake. That is real. It's a constipation relief supplement. That's a little bit cheating. It's Little SHTS.

They do a little bit of an innuendo on the label there uh so that that's a real supplement but it's not the chem it's obviously not the chemical uh yeah so it's probably some mineral oil or some type of thing like a laxative or whatever yeah and i don't know what it actually we're not first of all we're not also whether these are real or fake we're not necessarily promoting the supplement you missed it this episode is brought to you by little shits though whether these are real or fake, we're not necessarily promoting the supplement. Just that it does exist. You missed it. This episode is brought to you by Little Shits, though. Little Shits is sponsored. Link in bio.

Shit 10 for 10% off. Real or fake? Peppy Pete's Pecker Pills. A lot of alliteration on this one. Peppy Pete's Pecker Pills. I feel like you find that when you're driving through the, through the middle of nowhere in, like, a 7-Eleven. I'm going to say that's real. I don't, yeah, I don't know.

That one's fake. That one's fake. So you're 0 for 2. We've got two left. You can still get 50. Go 50. You're also serving as our focus group right now. So you thought it was real, so we're going to mark that one possibly.

Yeah. Get into some formulations here. Barbell Medicine has a new supplement coming out. Yeah. So that name's up for grabs here, too. Yeah, need to hire a guy named Pete. Yeah, all right. All right, one more kind of in the vein of that one, actually.

It's Hercules's... I'm tough with possessive words. Yeah, Hercules Hidden Helper. Oh, my God. Like, again, the name sounds like it could be true but just i'm gonna do like the test taking skills and say all right it's it can't be real correct that one yeah all right like yeah yeah this is how i got through med school guys so like when you don't know the answer think of what it is and then choose the opposite yeah okay okay uh we actually there was some um mental gymnastics before as we ordered these tommy and i talked beforehand what's the correct order here that would best possibly throw

someone off you know okay whether uh so we were trying we're trying to order them in a way that may make it more difficult. But last one to see if you can go 50%. Butt Trumpet Tablets. Come on. This has got to be like a Semethicone or something. I'm going to say that's real, yeah. That one's fake also. Okay, all right. Well, look, again, Marble Medicine is a new supplement.

If you want to get your cute on on, you buy a butt trumpet. It's not a medical device. It's actually a supplement. Yeah. So you 25%. We'll say this is like baseball. Batting 250 is not that bad. In the postseason?

All right, I'll take that. Yeah. Right. Right. Hire me. Diamond. Not bad at all. Yeah.

When you were in med school, this is a question I was wondering about. This is a meme, actually, you see sometimes, or like it's a statement you see people make that are trying to be funny. They'll say, just remember, when you're at the doctor today, someone in med school was last in their class. You know, like someone that's a doctor was the worst person in their class that at least made the minimum barrier to graduate. From your anecdotal experience or just like you being in the field and understanding it,

is that a valid comment to make? Like, are there people that actually pass, you know, that make it to the finish line and you would be concerned about that if it was you visiting them? Or is there so many barriers to even get to that point that if you've made it that far, you're probably decent? Like, what is the – and I don't have an opinion because I don't have a – I'm not knowledgeable enough to have an opinion. Tanner hasn't been to your medical school yet.

No, no. Not yet. He's working on it. But why I ask that, too, is because, like, so sure. I went to high school. There's a lot of people that passed high school that they, I don't even like, yeah, sure. They passed. Okay. I went to undergraduate school.

There's quite a few less, but quite a few people that passed undergraduate school that I'm like, I guess they got a diploma in my master's program. There was a lot less like from that that, there was a bigger jump there when I went to my master's program. There wasn't very many. And I think it's just like a pre-selection thing. Like there aren't people that even wanted to do it that like there's a, I don't know. That's just what I've noticed in my experience. So that's why I wonder in med school, what do you feel like?

Yeah. Now, so again, some of the numbers I'll throw out are from when I went through medical school. So I went into medical school in 2012. I got out in 2016. So this data is admittedly dated, but I'll give you, try to put some facts behind this and kind of give you my perspective. So to get into medical school, something like 100,000 people apply in the United States every year and less than 10% of get in, like actually get into medical school, something like 100,000 people apply in the United States every year and less than 10% of get in, like actually get into medical school. So already the selection

bias of the 100,000 or so that apply and the 10% who make it in like you're okay. So already those folks have some academic success that makes them stand out relative to the other people who try to apply. So that's thing one. Then there are, as you alluded to, there are so many barriers, as you call them, or I would just say benchmarks that you have to kind of meet along the way. You have three sets of national boards, step one, step two, step three, and MD. And then there's different ones for osteopathic physicians. And then after that, you have to go through a residency. And then in residency, you're tested every year to stay within residency,

make sure you're meeting your milestones. And then after residency, you have to sit for boards and pass those to be a board certified physician. So to your question, are there people who have gone through all of that, passed all of the boards and are board certified who are not operating up to the standard of another physician or that sort of minimum level of competence. Yes, there's a few, but those folks are outliers. And in general, that's the whole point of these boards is to sort of make sure that you're meeting those minimum criteria and able to practice medicine safely. But people slip through the cracks all the time. Now, when I went into medical school, my first year, 2012, we were the first year at our school where they no longer had a class ranking prior the years before they would

rate people like, Oh, you were in the top 5%, 10%, whatever, and ascribe different sort of labels to them, you know, uh, based on their academic prowess. And then when I went through, it was pass fail. So effectively you didn't really know how you stacked up relative to everybody else. You just knew if you passed or failed. And so one of the sayings in my medical school and certainly other medical schools was P's equal MDs. So passes equal MDs. The biggest kind of takeaway I got, not only going through medical school, but then post-medical school training and residency is that somebody's academic success in those preclinical years where their grades are all recorded or whatever is not very predictive

of how they're going to do in residency, actually caring for patients and not very predictive in how they do with actual patients once they're out as a board certified physician, because there are a lot of soft skills that really tend to correlate much, much more, much higher than, oh, well, did you honor your immunology course, you know, 10 years ago? So yes, there are obviously just like in any other profession, there are people at the bottom end of the bell curve and there are people at the top end of the bell curve. But as far as predicting which one, it's not going to be from their preclinical grades, from their residency marks. It might be based on their board certification. So a physician who's board certified, you definitely

would want to identify those folks. Probably something that's more telling though, is the recency in which they've graduated. And so we get a question all the time, like, how would you go about picking a physician for yourself? And for me, I'd want somebody who's graduated residency, passed boards within the last 10 years and is affiliated with an academic institution. So they have a university system that they're practicing medicine through, because that means they're going to work with residents. They're going to work with med students. They're going to be consistently and constantly exposed to the latest evidence, the latest practices, whatever. They're not just cowboys out on their

own trying to keep up, which is the problem, right? If you're in private practice by yourself, kind of insulated from changes that are happening, it's very, very difficult to stay up to date. And so one of the statistics is like, okay, if evidence comes out showing like a dramatic or significant change in clinical practice, how long does that take to get into clinical practice? And it's like 17 years, 17 years. And a lot of that is generational, like however you trained going through school, kind of that's what you know. And so to change that later on, you either have to be plugged into an academic institution or be aware of this otherwise. And it's difficult to do if you're on your own. So I would want to pick a doctor that's like recently graduated, you know, because

they're likely fresher, particularly with their information. And again, if they're with an academic institution, it means they constantly have to kind of update what they're doing rather than somebody I've been in practice for 40 years. And it's like, when's the last time you saw somebody under the age of 30? Just like, like who was in medical training? Like, never. I hate those kids. I mean, me too. But like, I think if I had to pick a physician, that who was in medical training. They're like, never. I hate those kids. I'm like, I mean, me too. But like, I think if I had to pick a physician, that's who it'd be. So yeah, there are physicians who graduated at the bottom of the class, so to speak, but otherwise passed all their, met all their milestones, passed all the boards or whatever,

who are great physicians, just absolutely great. And there are people who are at the top of their class who are not so good. And a lot of that comes down to things that aren't really tested, soft skills, behavioral change, counseling, motivational interviewing, things of that nature, which for better or worse are not really examined. Like you don't have to be good at talking to patients to get through all this sort of stuff. And so if you go and see a physician and you don't have good rapport, like you can't develop a report, great rapport with them might not be the physician for you. Even if they're like, Oh, I double board certified. And I've got, you know, I was top of my class and this, that, and the other, it doesn't mean

that they're dumb. It just means that they're probably not a great advocate for your own sort of healthcare. Uh, and so I would try to find somebody else. That, uh, that feels like a very nuanced answer. It's a drinking game yeah it's something more black and white here we can work with uh yes there are dumb doctors out there some of them were at the bottom of the class but some were at the top of the class too you're still still the master of nuance though that's every time i hear the word i turn around like somebody's trolling me and i realize that it's actually part of the English language. Other people just use that word.

Yeah. Was that, uh, um, you said, uh, North American powerlifting federation. Was that where it was you, Mike T and Bryce, uh, from Calgary, that picture of you three, who would win in a pose down between the three of you? What would the place be there? Do you think okay so i just think like if you're thinking about like motor patterning motor patterning learning skill acquisition or whatever mike t has us all beat like the dude he's just such a technician with everything i feel like i mean honestly his pre-pose routine

would be a little excessive right a lot of. It's like he's swallowing fish all over the place, but then he would just hit the best double buy that you've ever, that you've ever seen. You know, the weird thing about that picture. So I got, when I posted that picture the first time on my Instagram, my DMS overflow with, with comments like, I've never seen you look that small in your whole life. And I'm like, look, I've never felt that small in my whole life. Like Mike T I think well him and bryce both compete in the same weight class the 120 kilo class of 264 and i walk around 205 to 210 whatever and i'm like yeah that's the difference what like 50 to 60 pounds at the same height looks so you guys are all a relatively similar height then too are you

almost exactly almost exactly and here's the wildest thing i started working with mike t he was my coach from 2013 to 2022 ish bryce also started working with mike in 2013 and him and i were the same weight like the exact same somehow bryce can squat you know 700 and whatever raw and you can deadlift 800 raw and you know and i'm like i should just gain the weight yeah bryce does have the classic video though i think i think or instagram or something it's him walking out to do his like first ever squat you know weighing i don't know probably like 185 and then his like last one he did that worlds and it's like oh yeah there's like 90 pounds difference between these two photos dude yeah i started work i worked with him uh briefly when he went from i think he was 95 kilos so what is that 210 something like that yeah uh and then we worked together as he was going up in weight class and i think we ended we stopped working together he was

like 115 116 something like that so it was pretty close to his current body weight but yeah this transformation is absolutely insane right and so we go we kind of rib each other back and forth i'm like man if man, if I could just be as big as you, I would be, I'd be so much stronger. You know, Mike's got to be disappointed that I was one of his clients too. And I never, I didn't get as strong as you did. He's like, yeah, well you have better abs than I do. And I'm like, that's true. The dudes do appreciate the abs too that is true i just it wasn't isn't it like a body weight though where you guys feel like your face that all the weight just goes to your face because for me anything over like 210 i just feel like i turn into dr pac-man like my head just grows bigger i can't wear the same hats anymore i'm like what's wrong with my face do i carry that's definitely a thing yeah that definitely happens if you were a professional wrestler oh boy what would your finishing move be and why would it be the feigen bomb you know that's uh i this is not the first time that somebody's asked me what would be my character or like something about professional wrestling and i i think i would take over the now defunct character that

is the hebrew hammer i'm not a religious person but my family is jewish so hebrew hammer makes sense i always thought that i would have like tablets like moses yeah whatever yeah yeah and there'd be something involved with that and i feel like if i took the tablets turn to the crowd and then smash them that could be the feigenbaum The real fire and brimstone type thing. You'd be kind of like the opposite of the Undertaker. You'd be like on the other side. Oh, yeah, right. It's the resurrection.

Well, I don't actually know if that fits either, though. No, yeah, maybe. Too soon? Too soon? 2,000 years later. Yeah, we need to get a historian on this to figure out our story. 2000 years later. Yeah. We need to get a historian on this to figure out like our story. Yeah.

We're going to have actually a rabbi and a priest on next week to a rabbi and a priest walk into the mass economics podcast. Yeah. See what happened. Well, this is a question we've been, we've been having this conversation with a whole bunch of various guests we've been on and guests we've been on

and people we've been on their podcasts and getting everyone's take on this. It's an interesting question. It's interesting for us to compare how different people think about it. So here's the scenario. You're training in your gym there. A lifter walks in. You've never seen him before. You don't know anything about their training history.

You just, you're seeing them that day for the first time. And for whatever reason, your task is to allow them to perform one lift. And the goal with them performing that one lift is you to most accurately gauge their overall strength. All you're going to get to see and know about them is their performance on this one lift, this one exercise. You want to be able to say i'm making my best most educated guess at their overall strength because of it what lift are you going to have them perform oh okay so basically i get to see them do one thing max out and i have to be able to like predict how they do on other lists

yeah yes exactly i think i think it's going to be the squat i think it's gonna be the squat and and here's why so because other people would probably say deadlift they're like okay maybe less technique and i get to see like what's their max strength on a particular lift that's going to clue me in but like deadlift specialists kind of throw that whole thing out the window right with long arms or whatever the squat tells me like more about what their training's been like for years somebody with a really strong squat, they've been obviously training that for a long time. Nobody's leverages are really set up for like squatting, like in various, some sort of compromise. So like, you know, compared to like a

deadlift specialist or a bench press specialist, so to speak. And so that's going to tell me not only about their training, but also like how strong they're, you know, certainly how strong their legs are, but also their whole body and on some level. And then, uh, I can also kind of see based on their squat mechanics, like, do they actually have short arms, long arms, long femur, short femurs? Like I could probably gauge something to do with their upper body strength and further squats are just so damn hard that like, if somebody is a really good squatter, I'm like, this person likes to suffer. This person likes to, and so I'm now I'm kind of scared. I'm like, geez, this person is a freak. Whereas, I mean, deadlifts are hard to no, no question about it. But again, like,

I just feel like the deadlift specialist that, you know, whoever those folks are at the top end of that bell curve, they could just confuse me more than what I would learn from a squat. Do people, is that the two most common lifts squats and deadlifts? So yeah. Our front squat or something like that. Well, yeah.

So for what it's worth, Tommy and I is both the first time this was posed to us. We basically did the exact same thing that you just said right there. We say a lot of people would say deadlift our thought. It's not deadlift for the the exact just exactly what you said and we think it's the squat and that same same exact thing although a lot of people do think deadlift but in my opinion still there's a lot of different ways to skin this cat but i still think that that's not a great answer because of the outliers you know like because of it just

it's yeah it's just such a the other thing is too like if i see how much somebody squats let's say they squat 500 right i'm going to predict that likely their deadlift is somewhere between 550 and 700 right like some sort of zone but if i see somebody deadlift 700 i don't know what they're gonna squat you know particularly if they do it sumo on a deadlift bar with straps, something like that. Then I'm kind of like, shoot, they might squat only 400. I've seen that. I've seen that happen in real life. You could maybe make the case like front squat, like knuckles.

Greg knuckles might say like front squat. He's like, he loves the front squat. And he's like, I think that's a harder exercise in some ways than like the back squat. He said something to that effect, but also don't come at me bros, but like mischaracterizing what Greg said. He's just like, I think he said that whatever people can front squat and push press, those are like two big tests of their like absolute strength. And there's some skill in there too.

So you kind of see like how athletic they are. Yeah. I just feel like I can get closer on predicting other stuff from the squat than I couldn't do in reverse, if that makes sense. Interestingly, nobody probably says bench press, right? Nobody has ever said bench press. Okay, there's never been one? I don't think so. Has anybody said an upper body exercise?

Well, yeah, I guess what gets into more, like some people have really analyzed it deeply, and like they get into more otter, like our initially we thought about it basically as the power we look at it through the power lifting lens kind of totally you know and uh we've had a lot of people that don't look at it through that lens and um like my my dr mike uh israel he said the continental cleaning press is what he came to on his, uh, Dave Tate said the correct me if I'm wrong, Tommy, an elevated trap bar deadlift.

I believe that was his take on that. Uh, we've had, um, several farmers carry farmers carry was popular with, for a few people. Yeah. Yeah.

I've heard the, uh, yoke, a yoke walk come up a few times actually a yolk uh yolk carry what can you i guess i'm trying to think like i it would really depend how like what you're trying to predict i guess right yeah and so what i'm i guess what i'm getting at is that uh and not to say that these people are wrong like i could be we could actually run this test we could run an experiment and try to figure out, like, just sample a bunch of people and then poll all these expert coaches and then see, like, well, yeah, which one is most predictive based on an expert's eye, so to speak.

But it's like the continental clean, right? So I've actually done the continental clean. I've never trained it for very long. I had one strongman competition, and there was a continental clean. Well, that's all I could do. I couldn't figure out how to, like, do variation of like an axle bar, whatever. And I think I worked up to 275 and I don't know if that's good or bad, but I also don't know that if you saw me struggling with a 275 pound continental clean that you would predict I

could squat 640. Right. You know, you're like, ah, the dude looks pretty unathletic. Also, like, he's kind of small, so you could squat 500. I'm like, well, if you say I can squat 500, but I can really squat 640, is that close enough? Was it a very good accurate? Yeah. How well did, yeah, right, right. I mean, to me, part of the, I guess,

maybe problem with the question or even the scenario is that if you are talking within a power lifting lens, you know, within the perspective of power lifting, it's easier if everyone could agree, like, yeah, we're,

we're narrowing it down to these three lifts. It's when you open it up to every lift possible, then it starts to just get harder. Cause it's like, there's so many lifts that people don't do that. It's really the scenario is becoming this big abstract thing outside. You know, it's being less practical. Yeah.

The other flaw I think too, that we've come to understand through other people's analysis of it is, we also looked at it through the lens of, these people have a basic understanding of, a basic level of strength training because some pushback we got on saying the squat, the squat is too technical of a lift you know someone if you're take pulling completely untrained lifter a off of the not even lifter a just

average dude a off the street he can't squat because he doesn't know how to do that and but i'm like well we that's not our original that's not the way we looked at the question either we were we were thinking about people that go to the gym and have a basic basic level of fitness yeah very basic level of being able to yeah i guess though if if you know you did if you were opening up to everybody not just trained people just you know whatever um i don't know that they would underperform on the squat relative to most other exercises that you would be curious to like predict what their performance would be because all of those have skill components too sure the elevated trap bar deadlift is a lower

skill thing but because there are less moving parts there are less sort of demands on like coordinated movement at high while producing high amounts of force i think it just tells you less right so the squat tells you more right even though it is more complex but this goes back to like even how they assess strength in like research studies right they're like okay does this particular training protocol make you stronger and it depends on how you test the thing right so the people will be like a leg extension um like that i've heard that as a test before like totally or even isometric even like isometric leg extension like can you hold this position or like a chest press on a

you know machine like a hammer strength thing being better than like you know a bench press which is more skill based but so an interesting study was like they compared uh machine-based training. They did a squat on a Smith machine, a bench press on a Smith machine and a deadlift type thing on a Smith machine and compared it to barbell training and saw like who, who gained more strength, the people who did the barbell lifts versus the people who did the Smith machine lifts. But the interesting nuance here, so to speak, was that they tested each group, how they trained. So they tested the people on a Smith machine with a Smith machine squat with a Smith machine bench press with the Smith machine deadlift. And they tested the barbell people on barbell lifts and they were looking at,

okay, what percentage was the relative improvement? Was it the same between both groups or was there a clear demonstrable benefit to training with barbells? And on average, the result was the same between groups meaning that they both improved their strength by about 20 ish percent and so it really just depends how you're testing strength right if you did all this training in the world whether it's barbell based machine based or whatever but then the test is something completely off the wall like i don't know uh mid mid thigh isometric rack pull and you're like right well fuck i don't know like if one's clearly better than the other it's certainly better than not training but if you wanted to

plan a training program that transfers the best of that well you better be doing some sort of pulls from the mid thigh you know so yeah it does get it does get into the weeds and i think i could probably hear arguments for any particular type of lift but But for me, I still think I go back to some sort of squat pattern only because I think it tells me more about the person's leverages, the way that they move their skills, you know, their skills at the time. And then also, uh, again, just how they've been training or not training somebody who can't squat. I'm like, well, I don't think they can deadlift somebody who can't squat. I'm like, if they're not training their squad, I don't know how much they're training their bench press for example and sure a yoke carry look yoke carries

hard and you got to be strong to do it too so i don't know that they're going to be like disproportionately great at carrying the yoke compared to their squad i don't know but again i could hear arguments for all this stuff and uh i don't see anything wrong with what other people have answered i just you're you guys are exactly right looking it through the lens of powerlifting. I think I just always end up back there. I'm like, all right, well, what can they squat with a bench press? What can they deadlift? And is there a total higher than mine? Cause if they, if the total is higher than mine, they're on steroids. And that's, that's the, that's the most important. That might be the best takeaway I've ever, that's the conclusion that's come from any of these

questions is yes, that is the golden rule in power lifting yes the the real test when you meet a new power lifter you should you meet somebody and they identify themselves as a power lifter start the stopwatch thing on your phone or your watch or whatever and see how long it takes for them for them to volunteer their numbers in passing like just yeah i'm gonna guess the over under is somewhere between 120 to 240 seconds just like they're gonna it's gonna i'm gonna guess the over under is somewhere between 120 to 240 seconds just like they're gonna it's gonna come up they're gonna be like casually it's just like when a woman you know you're talking to and they they slip in i have a boyfriend like at some point you know a power lifter is like yeah so anyway my last meet i squatted 600 and you're like oh we were talking

about the weather but thanks for that useful bit of information yeah you uh brought up something there that um this was a suggestion from our discord our supporting members uh you're familiar yeah you're familiar with uh the uh f mary kill game yeah yeah this is uh can i cuss no we can we can cuss i just i just i we always say this is uh what what do we what what what rating is our show tommy uh well there's no official rating but usually pg-13 you know people say oh you're limited to like what two fucks in an episode we just use our we just use our f's like just spare like some episodes I'll say it 10 times and some I will not say it at all. So there is no rule.

Yeah. It's a, who do you think has the record for cursing the most on Mike? Well, he has the record for the most ridiculously vulgar, obscene stuff that he's gone into. I mean, for the most in-depth blowjob fantasy experience. When he gets with us, he goes like normal Mike. I don't know if what we bring out in him but he brings he like goes that times like 10 of what he normally does the last episode we

had on we were just asking him how his youtube got better and he gave us this elaborate story how he went to the the google boardroom headquarters gave everyone in the boardroom a blowjob before and then he's like and then it was like a 15 minute long story for around yeah it was this big long elaborate story just to be just to not give us an answer, which was hilarious. Maybe he was, maybe it was truthful. You don't know. That's, that's the long con is like, everyone thinks I'm joking, but this is really what

we do. I was honest. Yeah. All right. FMK. What are we? SARMs. Okay.

Peptides. SARMs, peptides, and I guess ATP supplements or like injectable ATP supplements or something like that. SARMs, peptides, ATP. All right. F-ATP. Just like. That's easy. Yeah. Yeah.

At some point, if evidence emerges that administering it some way outside of a clinical setting is useful, maybe that could be something for a sports performance advantage. But at this point, yeah, hard pass. peptides at this particular point, given the lack of data showing efficacy and safety. So in people will anytime I've been injured, or somebody gets injured, they're like, Hey, what do you think about BPC 157 or TB 500 or something, something else? And I'm like, yeah, unfortunately, we just don't have great data in humans. And like, well, what about this study? I'm like, yeah, so that was actually in mice. You know, like, what about this one? I'm like, yeah, so that's a phase two clinical trial that's showing some safety data potentially in humans, but not necessarily efficacy and certainly not superiority to existing stuff that we have.

So we're just waiting. Right. And the other thing I'll say about peptides as well is like, when you're getting this stuff, where do you think it's being manufactured? Because all of these things are patented by a pharmaceutical company who's actively investing millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars in research and development and clinical trials. And you think they're just giving this recipe to people and saying, yeah, if you want to make it in a bathtub and-

No, it's the Walter Whites of the world. They were former brilliant chemists that are now taking to the black market with their skills. Yeah, one high school chemistry class, and yeah, you too can make gear. I'm sure everyone's got access to a mass spectrometer or whatever to make sure it's pure. You just got to know the right guy. He's got a lab somewhere. Totally. I trust the ethics of drug dealers in general, yeah.

And then I guess I would marry SARMs, although I will say that we're going to have a prenup in there. The thing with SARMs is like there's actually some phase three clinical trials showing efficacy in humans and safety in humans. That said, in general, the evidence is not that good. And we don't have enough data compared to other anabolic agents that we have showing that they're a clearly superior choice. Now that whole line of science is super interesting in my opinion. And I'll be curious to see like where it goes. In fact, oh my gosh, I, I don't know the name of this thing. Austin and I like got pinged. Um, we both have like similar search terms on PubMed. And so when something pops up that we were like set like a notification for this cool

thing was like, yeah, people lose fat mass, gain muscle mass and gain strength. And it's been in development since 2009. And it's like, they've just published a recent study on a phase three clinical trial showing like pretty strong efficacy. And we're like, and it's a SARM. And we're like, well, we'll see maybe in another 10 years, it'll be on the market. But it's the same sort of limitations as peptides. That's just closer, if that makes sense. But I always wonder like why people, they like go disarms. They're like, yeah, no, I'm going to do that instead of test or instead of, you know, whatever things that we know about and have known about for years and years and years. And that you can actually get that it made in a pharmaceutical grade lab. Like, you know,

you can get a prescription for they're like, nah, nah, nah, nah, this website, I don't know where it's coming from. I can get this. I think it's the injections. If I'm honest, I think it's the injections, which I understand a lot of patients, uh, that we've dealt with, uh, previously who were like wanting to do testosterone replacement therapy. They're like, look, I'm all on board. I am hypogonadal. You've seen the test. You've seen my results. Like, is there any type of administration where I don't have to inject myself? It's like, sure. We have deodorant, there's gels, there are pellets, there are other ways to administer the stuff, but those things aren't really accessible to folks trying to purchase anabolics without a prescription or like from another person. And so they're like, I can just drink the SARMs.

I can mix my pre-workout. They make, It's like they got Jack 3D from some Russian website, and then they mix a little SARM in there. It's just wild. It's like – and that these things are ending up in pre-workout supplements too. Like I can't tell you how many people have popped in USAPL and IPF for SARMs, and it's like were you taking these things standalone or were they actual contaminants in a particular pre-workout supplement? They, these people claim, ah, it's in a, must've been a pre-workout. This Osterine thing was in a pre-workout. I was like, did you notice that you were just getting much stronger? Like, yeah, it's just a really amazing pre-workout. Totally. Yeah. Like, look, if you cycle off your pre-workout or you, you know, whatever, miss it for a few weeks and, and you're just trying to get by with like coffee and like pre-workout yeah totally yeah like look if you cycle off your pre-workout or you you know whatever

miss it for a few weeks and and you're just trying to get by with like coffee and like bad things are happening to you it's like hey maybe you checked the the pre-workout maybe it was juiced up and people say well what's the problem with that you just you have a problem with performance enhancing drugs i'm like no i mean pretty much everything we do is performance enhancing we train that's performance enhancing you might see a train, that's performance enhancing. You might see a sports psychologist, that's performance enhancing. We try to sleep, eat right. All those things are performance enhancing. I can't draw the line somewhere where I'm like, this is bad and this is acceptable.

I just think that if you don't know what you're taking, you don't know the amount that you're taking, the dosage, and you don't know the safety profile, you're really just doing this blind. And that is problematic. That's where I think the health issues start to arise here um and we in sport people do this under a cloak of secrecy because it's either banned from sport or it's in society it's kind of looked down upon and so people like i can't go to my doctor and talk about this i can't go to any sort of trusted health care professional to like monitor me and so they're just like doing it and they're like oh shit i have liver failure now what it's like uh yeah that's a bad outcome that's a bad outcome

so i don't want to scare anybody people like dude you just went from zero to 100 i'm like yeah but this happens like there are hundreds of case reports every year with liver failure due to you know supplements over-the-counter supplements. And it's like you don't think this could potentially be something we see with SARMs if there's a wider uptake of those things? Certainly. So, yeah. Anyway, that's my FMK. It's probably longer than you thought it was going to be, but I'm bringing the nuance.

Like I'm just doing it. We do have you on record saying that you're marrying the SARMs, those big SARMs guys. We got the sound clip we were after here i don't yeah i don't work for big pharma i work for big sarms that's a yeah waiting for my check yes okay uh are you a costco shopper at all like do you ever go to costco you have costco membership yeah you've ever ever get anything from the food court there at costco you know the pre the food that they make there that you, the pizza. Yeah. I get a slice of pizza every time I go in there. That's the, it's not great to be clear. This is not like, wow, this pizza is high quality, but it's cheap and it's, it's uncanny. It's, it's so similar every single time. I'm like, these guys don't miss. It's a five every single time. Like it's not, you don't go in there. Wow. This is a one today. And you go in there, it's a 10,

another day. It's a five every single time. And I just not, you don't go in there, wow, this is a one today. And you go in there, it's a 10 the other day. It's a five every single time. And I just, yeah, I don't know how they do that. That's impressive. Are you a hot dog? You're a hot dog guys? No, no, no. Just hold on here. Hold on.

No, we are very much on record as we're chicken bake advocates. Have you ever had the chicken bake? No. There's some, and there's interesting talk. Do you know the slice of cheese pizza, for example, if you get the slice of cheese pizza, do you know anything about the macro breakdown on that? No, don't ruin this for me.

No. Oh, this is going to be an enlightening experience. The slice of cheese pizza is going to have 44 grams of protein. See, that's why I was drawn to it. I could smell the protein on it, yeah. Yeah, and so the Costco chicken bake, which we often talk about when we talk about the macro breakdown, Yeah. Yeah. And so the Costco chicken bake, which we often talk about when we talk about the macro breakdown, it's about 800 calories with I have conflicting information here, but about 50 grams of protein, 80 grams of carbs and 25 grams of fat in that. So what do you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think 800 calories, if you did that, you know, four times a day, that's, you know, 3,200 calories.

So for most folks over the 200 pound mark or so that you probably puts you at energy balance or thereabouts. I could think of worse, worse things to eat for sure. But that amount of protein is pretty impressive. I wouldn't have expected that. And I would have expected the fat content to be higher. But I think if so, if you did, let's say four times a day, and you says 25 grams of fat. Yeah, 26 is the one I was looking at. So let's say it's 100 grams total per day you're getting in. And let's even say half of each of those things is saturated fat.

Well, so now you're getting into that, you know, 50 grams, is that 10% of your total daily calories that puts you at 450 calories. Yeah. It's a little bit high, but I don't know. That doesn't sound that bad. I guess I would wonder like where all the fricking carbs coming from. What is the bake part of the chicken? It's the, the, the bread. It's like a, Oh, is there bread around it? I've never even seen it. No, it's like, yeah, it looks like a, yeah,

it's like a chicken calzone type looks like a big hot pocket almost yeah oh okay well here's the question so after you eat it what is the time from you finish the chicken because you guys you strike me as clean plate guys like you just you eat them i'm very much you don't you don't let the chicken bake go to waste yeah what is the time from the final bite to hitting the toilet like what's what's the interval there you know anything it's actually not too bad it actually correlative it's actually okay i i could think i could actually create a much bigger list of food that doesn't sit well like the chicken towards the top yeah that's your pre-workout meal then you're fine i just was wondering i was like

look if you got 30 minutes to find a can like that yeah no that's never been a problem for me and i won't say i have an iron stomach by any means yeah some of those some of the foods that people prefer the most are they in general are super high in added sugars added fats and added sodium because that's like the oh i forgot to tell you the sodium content in that thing what is it like 20 i think 2500 milligrams i think yeah all right so it's your whole yeah so maybe don't eat that four times a day yeah yeah 4x the current guidelines yeah although although the i think yeah all right so it's your whole yeah so maybe don't eat that four times a day yeah yeah 4x the current guidelines yeah although although the i think the last time i checked the current average sodium intake in the united states is like 3600 milligrams per day uh it's like 96 percent of people you know of adults eat that or more uh per day and the

guidelines are 2400 2500 milligrams per day and so it's like yeah maybe you wouldn't eat that or more per day. And the guidelines are 2,400, 2,500 milligrams per day. And so it's like, yeah, maybe you wouldn't want to eat that four times a day. So that's, you're getting all of your sodium in one, in one, in one meal. That's so bad. It's efficient. It's not going to, it is efficient, but I'm checking the box. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, but like, so if you had it, what other people would eat normally added sugar, added fat, added sodium. Those are like super tasty things. People in general, that's not going to have that much protein. It's going to have a much higher carbohydrate count and the fat content is usually going to be through the roof.

People are like, oh yeah, I just had this big piece of cake or cinnamon roll or something, you know, super, super tasty. And it's like, yeah, the fat content was like 60 grams or something like that. And like, I had to go to the bathroom right afterwards. It's like, yeah, that amount of fat in a meal, high amount of fat tends to cause this condition called gastric dumping, which is exactly what it sounds like. Your stomach goes, I want no part of this.

And then it ends up in your small intestine and your small intestine goes, I don't want any part of this either. And then you're like, I need to find a bathroom now. But yeah, the macros seem friendly. Look, if they could do a low sodium version oh they might be onto something there that's doable too yeah yeah i wonder where all the sodium comes from is it like super seasoned is this like kfc like it's like uh it's sort of a yeah yeah i'm guessing that's where it's all at i don't know look i'm gonna tag you the next time

i go to costco i'm getting the chicken bake. Please tag us. Everyone will greatly. We've put out a lot of chicken bake content up to this point. You're putting people on to the chicken bake. And also, just a hack, people love it too. So if you do anything related to the Costco food cart, people are going to love it. If you make a video, it'll do amazing. One of my favorite pizza places in in san diego is called tribute

pizza and it this is an embarrassing story but i i've been going there for four years it's my pizza place um i was like why why is it called tribute every pizza on the menu is a tribute to another pizza place that's like their best pizza on the menu and they have what's called a costco pizza they make the cheese pizza it's like their version of the the menu. And they have what's called a Costco pizza. They make the cheese pizza. It's like their version of the cheese Costco pizza. And it's fire. When I had it, I go, yeah, this is like the Costco pizza, but better. Okay, yeah.

Yeah, and I think it's just an ingredient sort of thing, a freshness maybe thing. But I was like, this is why I like the Costco pizza so much because it's so good. But yeah, it took me four years to realize that every pizza on the menu was actually a tribute to another pizza place's pizza. I feel bad saying that out loud, but it's true nonetheless. That's a clever way to do a business to be like, oh, we're just going to take everyone else's greatest hits. We're going to rip out everyone. Yeah, right. Do you want the chefs? Like, yeah, one of the pizzas on there is they're, they call it a burrata pizza. Right. And it is a tribute to a pizza place in New York, Brooklyn, New York, called La Industry. Right. Look, there's an apostrophe in the name. So, you know, it's fancy. But I had that pizza and I go, it was life changing.

It was out of body experience. I was transported to heaven. And then anyway, I go to tribute a few weeks later and it's on their menu. And then I was like, should I call the chef right in brooklyn and be like hey guys there's some ip stuff here like get them yeah exactly but they didn't call it industry pizza they called it a burrata pizza and i was like all right i see what you're doing here i don't know if i like it but this is tasty yeah but it's close to me so i'm gonna order it yeah totally yeah so you two can you guys can eat pizza and have abs that's that's that's the takeaway that's the that's the secret hack that's the all i wanted to know one weird all you need is that atp supplement and that's come on who i've only seen that from joe uh that's i think where the reference came from when uh yeah that is where the reference came

from when that that got suggested in there definitely did he take the post down is that i don't know i don't know i don't look that hard into that okay i don't know for sure because we got sent that a lot and they were like yo what's up with atp i'm like it is like important to have sufficient atp levels but i don't know that administering it orally or intravenously and i don't know that you want to be doing that at home anyway, is like the hack for athletic performance. I haven't seen that. We've seen it in some medical conditions, but anyway. Yeah, so that's an aside. Hey, Joe, if you're listening to this, I like you.

We're good friends. Like, I like you still. I just thought it was kind of weird. I feel like we're going to get hate mail. I think everyone will appreciate it. It's good. If everyone agreed on everything. Yeah, people want both sides here.

They'd have no podcast. Exactly, exactly. If nobody ever had anything that they disagreed with, what would we try and poke at podcast guests about? That would not be fun. Hey, remember that time when you disagreed with Mark Ripito? And they're like, oh, God, here we go. I think we just scratched some slight starting strength surface

last time we had you on, so we figured that we put that one to bed already. Yeah, that's enough. Okay, now we've got our... You did play this game last time. Every guest we have on plays this game. It's overrated, underrated. So we have a special Jordan Feigenbaum set

of overrated, underrated topics this time, and we made sure not to repeat any from last time. Had to actually review from last time to make sure because our memory's not that good. It's been a while. You have a fresh set of topics here. Too many chicken bakes, yeah. Yeah, one too many chicken bakes. Our brain is just like all sodium right now.

All that stirring. It's like season. And you have your druthers to elaborate as much as little you as you'd like on each answer but you just have to remember you can't ride the line you gotta definitively decide so overrated or underrated the san diego zoo oh uh underrated i think okay it is a i come from st louis the st louis zoo we got a train a ton of you know animals that again if you live in the west there's a 0% chance you would ever see otherwise. It's clean.

It's free to get in, or at least when I lived there, it was free. Yeah, so, like, going to San Diego, you got to go through the gates. And I think it was – I went there. It was a date, actually. I think it was, like, $50-something for us to both get in. And I was like, wow, all right. You know what? But there's gondolas

there oh yeah really the beer garden is excellent they even have cocktails in there as well and uh yeah the animal uh watching in there i mean it's just it's better than st louis zoo and so uh yeah underrated because every time i've been there it's never been packed and so i'm like if it was packed i would say i would go the other way to get less people to go. But yeah, if you come to San Diego, go to the zoo. They also have a safari park. Also, it's not in the zoo, but it's at another location. And you actually drive through and see even larger animals from like a Jeep or whatever.

It's a pretty cool experience. So 10 out of 10 would recommend San Diego Zoo. Worth the price of admission. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Tommy, have you ever been? No, not San Diego. I've been to San Diego Zoo. Worth the price of admission. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Tommy, have you ever been? No, not San Diego. I've been to San Diego twice, but never to the zoo.

Yeah, next time if you find yourself, Jones, and do something in the middle of the day. I now know to add it on the list. I know it's legit. It's either that or brunch. Like, you have two choices. So that's what you have. Is San Diego got a good brunch scene?

No, no. I wouldn't know. Like, brunch for straight men who are not in a committed relationship. Brunch is not like. Yeah, OK. No, I'm just saying like, like, just think about how many times have you called each other? Hey, bro, you want to get brunch? Yeah, we just call that lunch.

Like, yeah, right. Like, there's like five other guys. We're going to have. Why don't you just ask like a normal person? Like, let's just go get some food. Yeah. Okay. Overrated or underrated Travis Pastrana.

Oh, underrated. I think Pastrana might be one of the best motor, you know, motor sports athletes of all time on a dirt bike in particular. Highly underrated as a racer. I mean, you think about it. He was 16 and then 17 when he won his first national championship he effectively ushered in freestyle motocross as a real legitimate sort of thing dude jumped his bike into the san francisco uh bay you know on the x games and on top of all that so you would think this kid if anything he won a championship invented the sport of freestyle motocross brought it into the mainstream like was the original x games poster child dude should be a dick i originally have a

big head about it but no he's just the same g golly shucks you know kind of guy or whatever and the dude he just sends it no matter what it is now you know he rarely rides uh uh competitively in either freestyle or racing anymore but he shreds still nonetheless. And if you don't know who Travis Pastrana is, we'd go on YouTube, search in Travis Pastrana highlights. He did a thing on his Instagram. It was like his top 50 moments of all time. First dude do a double backflip on a dirt bike.

Yeah, crazy, crazy talented. I did see this thing where he like, he says he doesn't feel pain. Well, you see some of the videos, you're like, this guy can't feel pain after all the things he's been through. Yeah. Some of the crashes that he's been, or this it's like excite bike, like on steroids. Like, you're like, how do you, how are you alive right now?

And he's just like, well, gee golly, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Things have been good. He just jumped out of a plane. No parachute. You know, I hope he's got a red bull can. He's, uh, hope this does give me wings. And it's like, what are you doing?

Yeah, underrated. Travis Pastrana, $199, Lives Forever. I think that's the documentary on him. 10 out of 10, would recommend. Awesome. Now, San Diego's most famous movie, underrated or overrated, Anchorman. Ooh. This is going to hurt some people's feelings i'm gonna say i'm

gonna say overrated as san diego's you know most popular movie so one you guys are completely just ignoring top gun uh and okay yeah that's uh that's actually a that would be a fair yeah battle and trans transport also excellent flick uh anchor man was when it came out, was great. But San Diego's been in a bunch of cool stuff. So, yeah, it's a great movie. If you guys love Anchorman, I'm happy for you. But, eh. Okay, so this is not the official fourth question, but this is just a sub-question of that one.

Will Ferrell. Yes or no? Yeah, just yes or no yeah just yes or no uh yes yes okay fan of will fan of will ferrell uh but i i do think there was like a weird uh point in his career where it's like wait are you still funny like do we think you're funny and then like i think he got over whatever he was going through and then okay you are funny all right he was going through. Okay, you are funny. All right. He was working through some stuff. Yeah, yeah. He was workshopping it. But Anchorman, eh.

Okay. Okay. But you are a Will Ferrell fan. I am. Yes. I will answer it in the affirmative. We have that on record. All right.

That's right. All right. Last one worth all the marbles. Overrated or underrated? The Dodge Viper. Oh. Underrated. Okay. Okay. So if you guys don't know this i i am uh i'm a

gearhead anything with wheels it can go fast i'm a fan of from as something as small as like my i have an electric skateboard that i've changed the uh the battery pack in so now it'll do 45 miles an hour which is really dangerous it's very dangerous in addition yeah exactly and you don't realize that that is a far too high rate of speed until you get up to that and you're like what do i hold on to and they realize you're on a skateboard literally thought about this before yeah it's dumb um so anything on wheels motor i'm a big fan of dirt bikes motorcycles cars so the dodge viper i i picked one up as the last model year they only made them from 1993 to 2017 and to put this in perspective

as to how rare they are they made just under 27 000 total under that whole run from 93 to 2017 every year chevy makes 30 to 35 000 corvettes so you can see corvettes everywhere you never see vipers the dodge viper is a dinosaur it's analog af it's a six-speed rear-wheel drive, very little dummy controls, like the traction control. They put it on there, I feel like, for some sort of safety regulation. That shit doesn't work. The stability control, I feel like it's just a switch on there, but again, does nothing. And you sit inches away from the windshield. It's effectively Carroll Shelby's reiteration of the Shelby Cobra.

So he effectively named it the Viper, another snake name. It's got from the factory, 650 horsepower, 650 pound feet of torque. It's an 8.4 liter V10. I love it. It's, it is the dumbest vehicle I've ever been inside. It is absolutely, it is not faster than other cars i've had before but it's the most fun to drive by far and and here's the most important part same reason why we do powerlifting dudes love it yeah i can't yeah yes because like you're you're you said you're 38

i'm 36 and there's something about a dodge viper that was you know that was always i mean when i was a kid like that felt like that was the car. That was the pinnacle. Totally. Because you did. You would see Corvettes around. Like everyone's dad had a friend that had a Corvette or something. But like only there was only like a guy that had a Viper, if anything. And it was like, whoa, a Viper.

That's crazy. I have the, so I have a 2017 Dodge Viper. It's called a Time Attack. So it was like they have the ACR, which is like their American club racer racer yeah the wing on the acr is like seven foot wide on the back i'm like i don't need a barbell length spoiler on my car people already think i'm a douchebag like enough like i don't need to like give them more more more fuel here so i got i got the time i got the time attack but it is absolutely insane and again dudes anytime i take it, there's guys taking pictures of it, whatever. If I have to valet it, guys are like, the valet is like, oh my God, this is my dream car.

I'm like, me too. That's why I got this thing. And when I got it, it was relatively affordable, although they are kind of going up in value, which is interesting. The funniest story I have about the Viper, it has side exhaust, right? And on the year that I have, it's kind of – you can't tell that it's an exhaust pipe. The only reason you would know that it's an exhaust on the side is if you owned the car and were like into it. So I did not tell this particular woman that, hey, watch your step when you're getting out because there's an exhaust pipe. I just figured she would figure it out like, oh, yeah, the exhaust sounds like it's right by my leg.

She swung her legs out, and then i hear a shriek and now she'll remember me forever because she burned her leg and there's a you know exhaust pipe size burn on her calf i'm sure it'll get better uh but it's it's like the the you know the burn marks you get when people ride motorcycles for the first time it's just it happened to be on a date and i felt really bad about that so if if you happen to get a Viper, if you listen to this, you're on the fence about it, get it, but make sure you tell people like, Hey, watch your leg, watch your step. Yeah. Yeah.

That's cool. Does, does the heat, do you feel that does the heat from that get up into the cabin too? Is that, is that a thing? Yeah. So it is very hot inside there. I took it out. There's a local racetrack called Chuck Walla, um, which is really the only place you can open up a car like that. I've taken it to autocross before.

It's a terrible autocross car because it's just so big and powerful and whatever. But on the Chuckwalla, you can flat out get it the top of fourth gear. You're going 140 miles an hour or whatever down the back straight. It sounds insane, but it is so hot in there. Even if the AC is blasting full you know full full speed and you're you're i'm just sweating profusely and the worst part you're in a helmet and the helmet hits the roof even though it's got a bubble roof and i'm not tall i'm 5 10 uh it yeah everything like the motor is so close to you the exhaust is right underneath you it just inside it's like it's just

a heater effectively so in san diego you can roll around the windows down everything's usually fine but yeah if you're in the desert at a racetrack boy i did i should have brought i should have brought a camelback to like go around the track in because i i was losing a lot a lot of fluid yeah uh and that and that thing yeah but i can fit golf clubs in it oh it can oh yeah so it's practical surprisingly practical yeah it's a really practical vehicle yeah the car i had before was the audi r8 or whatever i thought that was my dream car okay that thing yes okay so what's yeah what's your opinion comparing the two then yeah the the r8 had a v10 plus so it was another v10 they didn't make all-wheel drive

right all-wheel drive it is one of those it's like it's it's dummy it's dummy proof you can mash on the gas go create and you're not going to get out of control because all-wheel drive and again it's just so highly tuned that it's really hard to get out of control so if i was just trying to go fast particularly on a racetrack that would be the pick comparatively but the fun factor viper all day and the r8 doesn't have a trunk because the motor's in the back all you have we have a frunk that you can fit like a carry-on bag maybe two bags of groceries and if i was going to go play golf i had to put golf clubs in the passenger seat it's kind of a weird sort of thing but in the viper i got golf clubs in the back i got my gym

bag in the back or whatever dudes admire me i mean come on like yeah it's just what more could a guy want in life you you pull up in the r8 and uh gearheads are going to be like oh he's got you know they're going to know the car they're going to be like this is awesome i want to check it out and other people are going to look at and be like oh that looks like a nice car but you pull up in the dodge viper every person that has a pulse is going to be like okay what's what's that's a dodge viper yes and also also the stigma is like some people might see an R8 and they're like, oh, it's an Audi. This guy's

like, he's kind of douchey. He's just some guy with money. He doesn't get cars. And then you pull up in a Viper and no one like accidentally gets a Viper. You know, like, oh yeah, I just picked this car. Yeah, it's like, I just randomly picked out a 2017. But like, if you have a Viper, people are like, okay, that's a car guy.

Yeah, he gets it. Yeah, I realize that my potential to douche, my PTD, if you will, is like very high, right? Like I get that my trajectory could go. So I have good insight into the problem. So I'm constantly trying to disarm people. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not me. I'm actually a nice guy. I'm a very humble beginnings.

I'm really just trying to help people, but I do love cars. And so when I was driving around the, in the Audi, I was like, kind of felt like a poser. I'm like, I am not like a rich guy. I, I don't identify as like bougie or fancy and to this level, I don't really know what I'm doing. I just thought it was, I saw, I saw Ironman and I was like, I'll be the first one. I've, I would use, I would have like, I'd love an r8 or rs6 that like the avante i think those are like two of the coolest cars out there i think they're amazing amazing yeah i will say though at full tilt like the audi r8 i think redlined at like 83 or 8400 things screams it was a five point i believe it's a 5.7 liter v10 but the viper 8.4

liter v10 that thing redlines like 64 dude it's and the side pipes it's just it's obnoxious again anything dumb that you could do to a car to make it completely obscene dodge was like yeah let's do that their first one they made had plastic windows yeah did it it actually didn't have i don't think did it not have door handles was the only way to get in reach your hand over and yeah no door handles door handles, no AC, no radio. They're like, dudes are going to love this. And it's true. They bought them still.

They were like, ah, I don't need this. It's totally fine. So the last, the last edition, which is what I have is, is a little bit more practical. But yeah, compared to the R8, the R8 was cool. If I wanted to cruise up the PCH, I could have done that. I can't do that in the Viper. I'd have, I'd end up with 10 herniated discs, you know, driving up in the Viper. But yeah, that is, I'm never getting rid of this car. Never. I think this thing's cool. If anything,

I would get an old muscle car. That's like kind of having driven now this, what I call the dinosaur, the next car that I might get, I'll probably build it with my dad. Just like we did my first car, it'd be something like a first gen Camaro or Mustang or like e-body Mopar or something like that. Just because again, I like the experience of feeling like I'm connected to the car and not like, wow, all these gadgets are making me go fast. Like, have you guys been in a Tesla, a plaid? I never have. No, no, no. If you look, here's, here's what you should really this should be the test of the chicken bake eat a chicken bake get in a tesla plaid and then have somebody do a few launches and just see like what happens see if you can hold it down or where it goes yeah they are obscenely fast in a straight

line but like it's just otherworldly and it's certainly faster than the viper in a straight line but the experience of driving it is you can't compare them again shifting i have a manual steering rack that can't it comes in the viper the sounds the smells you just don't get that in a in an electric car despite how fast it is and it's like yeah speed is one thing but at some point it's fast enough you just want to you want the driving experience to be there right not that look this this isn't a car podcast but like oh people might like this i don't know yeah no it's fun and i i totally could uh probably relate to you know i'm kind of a motorcycle guy a harley davidson guy and it would be you know if i was driving around on an electric e-bike it would

not feel the same yeah same thing you know it just is different that's what's happening motocross now so there's been some e-bike electric bikes that are like coming into the fray and people are like what's going to happen because like part of like dirt bikes you get to work on them for sure to be two strokes you get to mix the gas you smell the race gas or whatever and now all you hear is the chain slap on these electric bikes and they're like yeah but it's faster and you don't have to shift and you're like whatever it's like you're missing the point and also if you don't have to shift that's like that's what i'm saying yeah that's this it's a part of it yeah it's right right yeah so that's the whole thing people are like should we allow electric motorcycles to race in the you know internal combustion engine class because it's

different there's no clutch you don't shift you just turn the throttle and go and like I get I mean, look, anything on two wheels with the motor that goes. I'm like I'm interested in. But as far as like if I got to choose the experience, it would be the more analog version, less tech, more old school. And it just I don't know. It's just more fun, even if I am not going quite as fast, if that makes sense. Right. Good news. It looks like you passed overrated underrated again. Good news, it looks like you passed overrated and underrated again, so you've got two under your belt now med school and two over-unders both great accomplishments

That's right and I had a very bad performance on supplements, real or fake and totally redeemed yourself so congratulations there also I think when we had you on the first

time it must have been in the year 2021 and we did a recap of podcast episodes and you were very high for our uh number of listens that year so we'll see how this shakes out so yeah you where you have some high expectations here so do not let us down yeah i was number two uh to jim lindler which i don't know so jim was number one i thought maybe you edged him out are you sure that he i yes because people people brought this to my attention right you know who's number one funny yeah quite the funny uh maybe not coincidence but just uh the funny that one and two right there and we even talked about we even uh broached that subject a little bit that first time around,

I think. That's right. Yeah. People are like five through one beat you again. I'm like, Oh, you guys got me. You guys,

I'm trying to live North of the badge over here. Yeah. We have, now we have to get Jim on again here before the end of 2023. So we can have a next week. Yeah. Yeah. Hey Jim.

So we've got this Jordan guy on there. We got to really see if who can outperform the other. We'll pit everyone else against each other for our own hopeful gain. That's right. No, awesome. We really appreciate having you on. This was a lot of fun. Is there anything, you know, we talked about barbell medicine, but specifically if someone has questions or wants to find you, what do they do? Yeah, you search, you go into Google, the Google machine, you type in Barbell Medicine, you'll end up either at our website, our podcast, YouTube channel, Instagram, TikTok.

Look, we're on all of it. So if you want to reach us, there are multiple avenues to do so. And we're pretty active on all social media platforms. And we'd love to answer some questions or help you out. Or if you just want to talk shit, that's fine, too. Like, we're here for that too. So yeah. A quick plug on that.

I know we've had several supporting members over the years that have, uh, uh, vouch for like rehab stuff that they've done with you that they've really enjoyed. So check that out if you're in the need, which a lot of us are at times. And, uh, yeah, we just, we just really appreciate it. This is good stuff. Are you going to be at the Arnold again in 2024, March 24? That'll be my 11th time at the Arnold. I will be there.

Awesome. And I will come grab a beer with you guys or a bro down. Perfect. Always looking forward to see my homies at Masonomics. And thanks for having me on the podcast. I appreciate it, guys. We'll have a chicken bake waiting for you. Oh, my God, yes.

Let's do it. Chicken bake eating content. Pull up in the Viper and we'll all get in there with a bag of chicken bakes. Yeah. Get in. We're getting chicken bakes. Let's go losers.

Let's go. Awesome. Thanks, man. Thanks Jordan. Yep. See you guys. There it is.

You gave them the, uh, V10 cool bean. We're after, after we get the, well, before we get the chicken bakes, we're getting the Costco cool beans. You know, we're loading up on them. Getting the cool beans loaded. Did you notice any of my internet performance issues on my end throughout the interview at all?

No, both were good all the way through for me. It did a couple wacky things a couple times, but the timing worked out perfect where Jordan was talking about something long enough where it froze, and then it caught all back up, and still when he was talking, and every time it was like just about when he was done talking, it was caught back up,

and I heard the whole thing just in like a speedy version of it. I never noticed a delay or anything. Actually, you know, I was just talking about on the podcast, too. They screwed with our internet. They did something. You know, I used to have. Oh, yeah, you did say that. For tech, you know, people, there's probably some people listening that work on this sort of thing or in this space.

Some technical guys out there. Yeah, some technically a guy sort of people that would know. But my internet used to be my Wi-Fi where i could select the 5g version or select a dual band router yeah a dual band router and we still have the same router but they changed something they updated something in the wherever that gets updated that now both bands exist but you can't manually select which band you're connecting through, through a device. They say, you know, the device, if it's 5g, it's gonna, it's gonna connect to the 5g and we no longer select it, but coincidentally, or maybe not coincidentally, maybe

cause after this, like it's, well, I figured out what's happening here. And this was an issue before we started. And it's like, the internet's just like ticking off for like a couple seconds right you know at random intervals and then like it's not like kicking off in the sense that i'm getting disconnected yeah it's just like jumping to like the wrong band and sucking for a moment yeah something like that i don't know so that's actually i totally forgot about that. That's very interesting. You brought that up because we both use the same internet provider. Right. And when I left the town home to the note to the new home, we both had the same modem router all in one thing. Right. I brought it over. And I'm like, Oh, did I need to bring this? And the guy goes, No, you don't need that. You're gonna get something new. But I guess this makes it easy. i can take it from here and what he did is i now have this mesh network in my house and it's the same thing i don't have i don't get to pick you know the two you don't have that either okay i don't get to pick the two that must be a shift gigahertz yeah but i do have these mesh these pods throughout my house to blanket it better so i i

mean i do have good coverage throughout the house but well my speed is really good it's just like it's almost just like it's just like kicking just clicking away for short periods of time you know uh but i do think what i'm going to do not that the wi-fi has really been an issue at all over all of our recording here but uh i do think i'm going to actually i thought about it before i'm just going to have them you know hardwire this thing in because i've got a i've got a wall uh that is the way to do it you got the jack there yeah yeah and i just hardwire and just let the speed run through me it's just pure unadulterated speed yeah uh but it is funny how how i guess it's not as funny but just um you know how proficient wi-fi has gotten that you don't even really think about really wiring anything in ever.

You know, like, what's the point? Yeah, I mean, the point. But still, that being said, that still has issues sometimes. It does. You know, like, all Wi-Fi is, it's not a perfect, it's not a perfect system. I mean, I'm on gig, and I'm on Wi-Fi just because of convenience and I get nowhere near gig speeds. I don't even get 500 meg on Wi-Fi. Well, and I think that's when I upgraded,

I think that's what mine is too now, isn't it? And I get like 350 on Wi-Fi. The only reason I went to gig is because there were some promotions that was like $4 more a month. I'm like, oh, I'll just do that for now. And whenever that ends, I'll probably switch it back to the lower yeah maybe i'm on 500 then yeah that's what i'm actually on but you don't get that actually do you get like yeah you're never quite there now a watered down version of that uh big jordan good good interview

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