Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 399: Pete Rubish

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

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You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Hola everyone and welcome to episode 399 of the Mastodonomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. And of course, everyone knows episode 399 is special. You know why it's special, Tommy? Because it's two episodes before episode 401, which is just

one episode after 400. Okay, now that you put it that way, now I'm excited. Yeah, for one episode, one measly episode separates us between us and podcast infamy of 400 straight weeks i think that's when apple just shuts down your feed they say you've done too many here you're over if you're taking up too much room here recording well actually i'll stop reminiscing and now we have something to talk about next week right yeah i don't want to don't want to get all those memories out of the way right now. Right. So episode 399, going to be a special episode.

We've got a special guest this week, Big Pete Rubish. We're going to talk about Black Friday drop that's coming up. If you're listening live, it's coming up this week. If you're listening in the future when this comes out, it just dropped. It's actually Cyber Monday right now, and it's part of the week-long Black Friday extravaganza. So we'll get to some of that stuff. We'll decide how much of it we're going to let the live listeners catch early. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about a giant convention that Tommy and I had the privilege of being the main speakers for. We'll talk about that and a few other things that we're going to hit on this week,

supporting our members, some ads. Speaking of ads, speaking of Black Friday, please, if you like Mastonomics, you like the Mastonomics podcast, help us support some of those companies that have chosen to support us by being sponsors. Black Friday is a big time for them, just like it is for us. You know, it's when a lot of companies like us make their nut for the year. So help us nut. Help all of our sponsors.

We're like squirrels. We just love nuts, right? Yeah, we love nutting. So make sure to support companies like The Strength Co. of nutting so make sure to uh support companies like the strength co their black friday deals are let's see gonna be live from friday november 24th to sunday november 26th and you can get free shipping on all bumpers and apparel over that time so that's a pretty sweet deal especially uh the more you buy the more you save in a scenario like that and that's not all you spend five hundred dollars on the site you'll save the more you save in a scenario like that. And that's not all. You spend $500 on the site, you'll save $50.

You spend $1,000 on the site, you'll save $150. You spend $1,500 on the site, you save $250. You spend $1 million on the site, you still just save $250, I think. Still a generous amount, though. Yeah, yeah. So the sky is the limit in savings at the strength co check it out it uh really is the time of year to be supporting these companies and uh help them help them nut all right and this episode is also brought to you by

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spot poet over there tanner yeah you're like a freestyle they're like jay-z over there yeah we run this town new New York City, stuff like that. We did have a little speaking engagement. We did. A little Masonomics speaking engagement. Have we mentioned this at all on the podcast? Maybe in just very brief passing that we had a very prestigious engagement. So this was maybe the most prestigious engagement in all of western and northeast South Dakota

on that day in that month. But what was the official name there, Tanner? I think it was the Northern State University Technology and Entrepreneurship Summit. So you know it was at the top. We summited the mountain to get to this thing. We did. On Mount Aberdeen. We summited the mountain to get to this thing. We did. On Mount Aberdeen.

We were in the JFAC. For those NSU grads out there, you might know the JFAC is the Johnson Fine Arts Center. And we were on the main stage in the JFAC. We were part of a podcast panel. Yes. We anchored the podcast panel. Yes. So there's a... We anchored the podcast panel, if I'm being frank. We anchored it, lifted it, whatever you want to say.

We were the part of it that mattered. But someone from Northern, or I shouldn't say just Northern. They have this, what is it, Innovation Center or something. Someone from Northern or whatever this place is reached out to us and asked us if we wanted to be part of this panel. They said there'd be other podcasts. Naturally, we were curious if Soccer Made Simple would be there, but sadly they were not.

Believe it or not, Soccer Made Simple and many of those other podcasts that were in the Aberdeen Magazine article did not survive. They do not exist. I think there was only one that was in the article that made it, wasn't there? Which does... I think they were in the podcast or in that article i think if they existed by then they probably were yeah it was long enough ago that maybe they weren't so i could be wrong

there but and they were also panelists they were they were uh so yeah there was there was us and three other podcasts all of them had two hosts so altogether there was us and three other podcasts. All of them had two hosts. So altogether, there was eight people on stage along with the moderator who fielded the questions. We arrived at Northern at about 10.30. We got on stage at 11. They shut it down at 11.45. And that is not enough time to have eight people

on the stage to answer questions. No, there's probably too many, right? Yeah, that's too many people to have on stage we could have monopolized the full 45 minutes and honestly we definitely monopolized the most amount of time and there was a lot of questions that we either answered at first or there was a silence where i feel like maybe the other people were waiting to see what we said that and there was also several where they go, well, but massonomics, those guys are the experts, so we should listen to what they say. There were several of them passing the question to us.

And they weren't wrong. We definitely, a lot of those questions, we just, because of our experience, we have a level of... Expertise. Relative expertise that they... Experience, expertise, all of it. Yeah, so that being true,

yeah, it wasn't we could have definitely definitely answered questions more deeply and answered a lot more questions but there's just a little bit limited on time overall there was some good questions in there and some good feedback from all the panelists i would say yeah uh well there was did we get through six to seven questions maybe the whole time it was something like that there were so they were there was a part so the the moderator the host whatever you want to call him he did start it off with uh like one or two questions right off the bat and then there was a qr code where anyone in the audience could scan into this qr code and i'm assuming text in their question and the the do you remember what the? We did have a few massonomics listeners in the audience.

Yes, there was a few in there. We didn't plant them. They came out on their own will. But do you remember what the first question was right off the bat? That really set the tone. I can't remember now what the original was. I believe the one or was that was the first one, the one for massonomics. And it was a two part one for massonomics. And then for everyone else that wasn't massonomics yeah what was the one for

oh it was about western northeast south dakota someone hit us with something about that yeah i was in something along the lines of are you the most famous people from western northeast south dakota or something along those lines and then the and then the question for everyone that wasn't in wasn't massonomics was why do you think massonomics was left out of aberdeen magazine's top article so that did get brought up in front of the whole thing which was absolutely hilarious in front of the auditorium and uh all the panelists nervously laughed when that question was asked is what and none of them answered and i guess i spoke out of feeling that like in order to maybe cut the awkward tension, I felt like it was, I felt like it was,

like the moderator specifically said this question is for everyone but Mastinomics, but I'm pretty sure I was the first to speak just because I did. I think you were too. I believe someone made the comment along the lines of, oh, they were too cool. So they were giving everyone else a chance to be featured, but you did probably take the... I was totally ready in my mind to explain the whole

situation to the crowd. In hindsight, I'm glad you did it the way you did it, because I don't know if we needed to go down that rabbit hole of explaining what happened there. It was very funny and also a little awkward, but very funny. I'm glad it came up. I'm just shocked that the moderator read that question.

I am too. What an odd question to read. But we will have a – we vlogged our day a little bit there, so before and after a little – so that will be coming out on YouTube maybe like the week that you're listening to this. Yeah, probably. Unless something changes and we switch up the video order because the nature of that day as well,

we were able to record four YouTube videos. We're just animals over here. Yeah, and as far as the video order because the nature of that day as well, we were able to record four YouTube videos. We're just animals over here. Yeah, as far as the YouTube thing goes, that was going great. We were able to knock out four videos that day. One of them has already came out. It was the best $100 we spent at the gym video. I thought that video was very fun. Check it out if you haven't.

We talked about hacks.com. We've now figured out our favorite formula is to do essentially vlogging type videos, more conversational, casual. Those are our favorite ones to do. They're the funnest to do. With both of us on microphone. Usually you like you running the camera. I can.

Because I can still run the camera. We can do that whole thing. We don't have to worry about making everything perfectly polished and cut to perfection. We can keep it more loose and fun, which we do kind of feel like that has turned into our formula. Yeah. Keith asked about the full video of the panel, and that may be available eventually, but I assume it will be. But as of now, it's not.

We actually need that video because we're going to use some of that. I want that video. Yeah. So when we it's not we actually need that video because we're going to use some of that video yeah so when we find out we will share that along because uh we also want that video yeah so we did that video we did the vlog of this and i guess the only thing the other thing we should say too about that presentation is we also didn't know going in where we're going to be talking to five people in a tiny little room where we're going to be talking to five people in a tiny room where we're going to be talking to 25 people and it's the giant theater auditorium for a college so it's a very large room but i don't know did you think there was 60 to 100 people there what was your number i don't know i'm guessing there's probably at least 100 because if i was kind of sectioned off and it's just so big that's where it gets gets hard. No one's in the first 10 rows, and then people are sprinkled all across.

It was probably 100-ish people in there, so I assume a lot of people. I said a lot of people were getting five extra bonus points for their class if they showed up for this probably, and they have to sign in. And I don't think you were wrong there. Right, right. So that was fun. One other note, too. We did have several college kids come up to us and

say i also do a podcast do you have advice or tips for me so that was that was cool that they recognized that that we seem to have something going and they they looked at us as the old masters over here yeah and one guy wanted to know uh thought we were guys that knew about ai yes and we had like a three minute conversation before we got to the understanding that we do are not because there was also like people that are talking about ai uh-huh and we were like yeah we ain't those guys not us but we'll talk with you if you want to yeah we're talking about ai like just on a very high level uh like yes ai i agree ai is interesting it is changing things so we do have our black friday drop do we want to talk about some of that stuff that we've got we should it is timely and relevant it is uh and

it's exciting and it's big if i could describe this drop in one three-letter, one-syllable word, I would say big. It's a big drop. You wouldn't pick the word fig. You would pick big. I would go with big. A fig rhymes with big, so I like that. I would maybe use it if I was to rap about the drop.

I would keep fig in my mind if I was going to do a freestyle rap about this drop a la Jay-Z. I would maybe maybe use that like something about fig newtons i'll flush the rest of that hang on to that one as time goes yeah but uh it is big one of our biggest drops ever you know it's uh it's right up there with one of our biggest most exciting drops we've ever had we got a lot of unique items in this we came to the came to the number that we've got nine items um and as i'm thinking before we get all the way into that do you have a beverage over there at all are you

thirsty i do and i'm very thirsty i'm glad you said that and i'm gonna pop uh my beverage what do you got there some sort of something raspberry bouble oh not bad i've got something interesting here two things interesting yeah i'm really trying to wrap my head around what what i'm seeing there this is a favorite day cheery cherry lime soda favorite day what the hell is that i guess it's from target my my wife tells me it's target it's a zero calorie uh sparkling water i guess favorite day she said they're really good cheery cherry lime soda oh i don't know his favorite day like a target brand or is that someone that can just look like something that would be a target but yes okay when it says soda is it just a diet soda or is it a spark does it fall in the diet

soda category or a sparkling water category oof number one ingredient is carbonated water then citric acid natural flavors black carrot extract stevia diet so this is a diet soda then actually that's why it tastes so so strong not my usual i kind of avoid the diet sodas but they uh they really trick you by putting the skinny tall can they do i mean it's very flavorful it does taste it does start to make the argument though of what really is the difference between a sparkling water and a diet flavor absolutely of some kind. In my mind, it is that artificial sweeteners. It's the artificial sweeteners is what I think. In my mind. But the diet sodas do tend to be so much sweeter, though.

And this is much sweeter. Almost maybe too sweet for when I'm, you know, when I come into this thinking it's sparkling water and then I have this, it really packs a wallop. Just knocks you on your ass i know uh there's a lot of things that artificial sweeteners aren't bad and you know it's not calories and stuff like that but i just i don't know it's one of those things i just take i didn't know stan i didn't know i just eat enough stuff and enough stuff that's probably is questionable

it's just one of the things that I pass on usually. But this tastes good. I'll give it a three and a half. But, yeah, go ahead. I think raspberry traditionally has fallen as a three and a half in my book. I don't think it's quite four territory. I believe it's still three and a half. It's good. I'd be a fan.

Did you see what I'm drinking out of here? Speaking of our Black friday drop one of our is it one of our nine items and this is also as long as we're talking about koozies you've got the our traditional kind of koozie that we make you know the faux and it's hard to tell on screen you're holding up our lift hard live easy koozie it looks like it's just a red koozie because on screen you lose a little bit of color detail but, but it actually does have our Masonomics pattern across the entire thing. Yeah, it's patterned. And on one side, you lift hard, live easy.

This is actually what you'll be getting free with every order while supplies last, too, this lift hard, live easy koozie along with a sticker pack. That's, you know, like Black Friday through Cyber Monday while supplies last. This koozie is not free because it's so badass. This is, if you're seeing, you can tell what kind of koozie this is. This is one of the thick, old-school foam koozies, which I'm pretty pumped about. It's got a little hole in the bottom for aerodynamics, I think.

On this side of the koozie, you'll see it's got a new little ditty of ours. It is strong and silly. It's got a new little ditty of ours. It is strong and silly. On this side of the koozie, we'll see original Masonomic silly goose that may be appearing more often here. You know, this is another option for another project that we're working on right now, Tommy, too. I'm not saying that this is what we need to go with right now,

but there's potential right here as i think about this our new silly goose you're saying yeah uh just a brainstorming session mixed in with this black friday advertisement but this is our new strong and silly foam purple koozie the purple really pops why purple you ask because the first two colors we tried to get were out of stock and they don't tell you until after you order it yeah i do like the purple yeah but it also was our third choice what were the first what were the first two you'll never know i i this should have been maybe now that i see it, this should have been our first choice,

but maybe it was our third hindsight. So that's 20. If you're keeping the score at home, that's two of the nine new items that we've got. And if you're keeping score at home, I'm wearing one of the other new items. This is the long sleeve working hard pocket tee and if you follow youtube you saw it there first yeah you actually saw that you've been you've been yelling at your screen you back

what are you wearing and here it is it's got our sewn on four-way sewn massonomics patch on the pocket it's black tee and uh it's got Massanomics screen printed down the left sleeve. Definitely. Screen printed tag, of course. Definitely an item that's very versatile, but it also falls into the going out category. One of my new favorite items that we've got, if I'm being real. I've worn this a lot of days since I've taken one of these out of inventory. A lot of days without even taking it off or washing it, I'm assuming, right?

A lot of days without washing it, I'll tell you that much. If I'm not sweating in it and it's not getting dirty, it's not getting... It falls almost into coat territory at that point. Well, my clothes-wearing habits are maybe... I don't know, maybe a lot of people are like this, but I have a wardrobe that I wear to work. So that's my work clothes and then when i get done a lot of times i'll change in my other clothes so i might only that might be from like

6 p.m to 9 p.m right they get warm like i'm wearing it for three hours so i can wear it for three hours over uh for like four days and that is just like one day's worth of wear i used to do the exact same thing when i worked in an office especially then yeah when we'd go to the gym at night there's a lot of times you wouldn't even get done. By the time you shower and get home from the gym, it's 7.30, 8 o'clock, whatever it is. It's like, okay, I wore this shirt for two hours before I went to bed. Yeah, I can wear that again tomorrow night and do the same thing.

Yeah. It's like, this shirt is not dirty. I wore it for an hour and a half. So, yeah, I have worn this a lot. Also, this is also like borderline coat territory and we know that coats don't have to get washed so once the sleeve gets long the washing gets less frequent the washing gets shorter yes uh this is a uh lengthy cut on this one a beat uh a generous uh a fairly generous lengthy cut on this this i think right i think so yeah yeah

um what's next what do we want to do next we got a lot of a lot of stuff do we want to say there was another item that people kind of saw us wearing already in one of our videos oh yeah should we talk about that maybe the item with buttons yes that's the one and what a perfect time who's got a button what a perfect time to get this item as well yeah if you watch our video we just were talking about of us at the nsu whatever the hell that thing was that we were just saying we were at you'll see both of us rocking this but right here we've got the new massonomics polo shirt the new work favorite item business professionals deals are ready to be made in this thing so this has the custom woven massonomics tag in the neck it's got the embroidered massonomics on the left chest and then on the

left sleeve it has the the massonomics you know our name across the left sleeve and this embroidery on this polo is awesome the embroidery turned out amazing we had no idea you know we've never done a polo we don't even embroider our logo that much outside of uh hats really so never we never knew how this was going to turn out and this is one of those that it exceeded our expectations as far as how the quality looked on the finished piece ross said or a key said big ross is going to sell a lot of cars in this shirt yes this is totally b i'm gonna i will i've already worn this shirt to work this is kind of what i wear to work a lot of times too so this is right up my, although it may open the door for people asking me about Mastanomics, which I don't necessarily want at work, so I have to walk that fine line.

It is a very fine line. Keith also asked about the sizing of the beefy. They order the long-sleeve working hard tee sized-wise like they would the original beefy tee. I don't know if it's quite as beefy as that one or not i don't think it's quite as heavy but i do think size wise it runs pretty similar yeah okay that's good info good insight and then on the polo if you're watching you can tell this because this has a shine a shimmer this is a uh polyester is that right does this, depending on who you talk to, they might say it's more of that dry fit type material, polyester, synthetic.

But this fits fairly generous also. Yeah. So when I wear a 2X of the... You don't have to size that polo up. I even, I hate to even say this, but I contemplated sizing down in this thing. You gave me an XL, which is fine, but it's probably even a touch bigger than what I prefer my polos to fit like.

That's why I wear a 2X. And you don't got to wear it. That's not going to shrink at all. It's polyester. Right, right. Really nice polo, though. Awesome. Much like the long-sleeve tee, very happy on a new product the way that turned out.

I don't have it with us. We do have, for the fourth year in a row, we have an Obsidian Ammonia collaboration. Limited edition run, just like every year, only 100 made of these. And maybe we won't spoil the flavor of that one. Maybe that'll be a surprise. This is the fourth year we've done an Obsidian Ammonia Black Friday Special Ammonia collaboration. You could say that this is the second Obsidian Ammonia Special Edition of the year,

with the first one being at the Lifthard Libby's Classic. Yeah, so this is kind of the fifth Obsidian collaboration that we've done. Now, do you want to see a little surprise on this next item? Please, please show me. It's kind of a little surprise on this one. It's a shrunken T-shirt. Did you leave it in the dryer too long again? Asked about for many years,

and many, many crew members having children over these last several years. We finally did it. We've got a kid's little T-shirt. It is the Masonomics Varsity Kids T. It's a black T with the white Masonomics Varsity logo across the chest. And we have this in, if you're wondering about sizing, it goes pretty small. So even if your kid's like one, you can probably get away with this because there's two T three T and 40.

So I would say if your kid's between like one and four, yeah, it's probably going to fit them for sure. Maybe one in five. If you stretch it to depending on, you know, that's your age range that they're going to be able to fit into one of these two T three T and 40.

If you know about kids sizing, I it's comical, just a tiny little shirt, into one of these. 2T, 3T, and 4T if you know about kid sizing. It's comical. It's just a tiny little Masonomics shirt. It looks like a rag. Like a little dish rag that someone printed Masonomics on. We couldn't stop laughing at those when we saw it in person. Maybe if you don't have kids, but you have pets, this could be a fun little pet

shirt. Yeah, there you go too. If you like to dress up your pets. That's another one we've knocked off the all-time list of things people have asked for. Really excited to start brainwashing children now in the massonomics world. Oh, got three things left. One of them is we're bringing back an old design. Maybe should we say what that one is? Maybe we'll keep it a surprise with the vault releases.

Yeah, there is a vault release, a very popular T design that we've had in the past and have not had for a while. Asked for many times over the past year, years, I should say. Yeah, so stay tuned for that one. Then should we go coat? Let's go coat. This was just coat adjacent.

This is straight up coat right here. This is like a steel gray colored coat. Of course, it's got the massonomics woven tag logo drawstring hoodie with the pocket on the pocket it's got the four-way stitch massonomics embroidered logo and then on the left chest it's got this massonomics um is that faded or what do you call that one distressed grunge distressed distressed logo with the plate on there. I really like that design. And then on the back, it's a full back print on this one.

The distressed logo. Tommy, can you read that even? Because I can't read it. It's hard to fit it all on the screen, but you have to back it up a little bit. But it does say, weight is a number, heavy is a feeling. So we got a new take on the saying but you have to back it up a little bit but it does say weight is a number heavy is a feeling so we got a new take on the saying that's the big text weight is a number heavy is a feeling we got a big plate on the bottom and then around the outside of the design it says legendary goods born in south dakota massonomics i really like the way that this coat turned out. This one kind of, we went to the full nines on this one

with the embroidered patch, the front logo, the back logo. It's a sweet coat. Gym coat if you're into gym coats. Turned out very nice. Same blank as all of the other sweatshirts we've used, and I think those things fit super consistently. Yes, absolutely. And then one those things fit super consistently. Yes, absolutely.

And then one last thing, do we show them the last thing? Yeah. And our guest has arrived to Tanner. Oh, okay. Well, let's wrap.

I'll show this and then we'll do that. We'll do a, so do you want to kick people off as I show this or should I show it? And then we kick them off? Ooh, maybe I should kick them off right now, keep it a surprise. Yeah. This might be the most important. This is our new T-Design. This is going to be the most important piece of the entire thing.

I'll start removing them right now. Okay. Maybe some of them will catch it then and some of them won't. So you can see this does have our custom tag, custom screen-print printed tag on it. And then the back of this one is plain. There's nothing actually on the back of this one. And then the front of this one in red and white print.

You can see it's our new strong and silly, silly tea i think i think everyone kicked out the moment that i was kind of watching that i was kind of watching that uh strong and silly our strong and silly tea with the red goose behind the white distress lettering again should be i think an instant classic has that vintagey feel to it but also a strong and silly feel to it yes and i really like the goose this is original tommy d goose art it's a goose with an american traditional twist yeah twist yeah so i love it we're excited about that we can do additional ads and supporting our supporting members after we talk with Big Pete then, I think, right? Yeah, should I let him in?

Let's do it. Here we go. There he is. Yes, sir. All right. There we go. Big Pete, how's it going? Going pretty well.

I don't know if you can call me Big Pete anymore. Pete, everyone here is big no matter how much weight you've lost and please tell me that's your washing machine yeah this is the Mark Bell uh oh that's the poster okay yeah yeah that's awesome it's a it's got the optical illusion thing going on when it's on the side like that yeah it actually looks like you're legit sitting right next to the washing machine yeah it's not the real thing, unfortunately, but it's the best we can do now, so it works. Yeah. Well, we're excited to get you on.

We had you on one other time, but it's been a while, and you've had a lot of – it's been a while. It's been a while, but you've had a lot of stuff going on, so we're excited to catch up on everything. Yes, sir. Yeah, it's been like two and a half years because I just – back, I curious it was april of 2021 so obviously there's been a lot of change a lot not many people that we talked to over the course of that time span change as much as you have in that in that time frame yeah i think i'm like am i the first bodybuilder you guys are uh interviewing or we have had a couple uh i gotta say you look way different you know i mean i've seen you on instagram and stuff and i've obviously already know this but just even sitting here and talking over zoom i'm like you look way different than what you know

just catches me off guard even though i know to expect that you know you just do have a just a different overall look to you than you used to it's catches me off guard yeah no because i think last time we talked so it'd been about six months that i'd been off uh testosterone peds all that stuff and now as of november 15th it's been three years so there's been a big change obviously a lot of cardio and running and all that kind of stuff and i'm still trying to hold on to what little strength I have. And I'm still trying to get stronger all the time. Like that never changes.

But it's obviously like the visual change. We should find Tanner. Tanner, do you remember the first Arnold we ever went to? Was it 2016, 2015? Do you remember the year? Oh, the first time, yeah. First time ever we just went to go. And we have a picture. Yeah.

We interviewed you, but we, there was a picture too of Tanner. I believe you standing with him. That would be hilarious to see that picture. Now, if we, you guys were wearing like it was the three quarter sleeve, black and white animal tees. Everyone was wearing them that year. Yeah. That was 17. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Do you still, you probably got a lot of clothes that don't fit very well anymore. Yeah.

That's the thing that's funny. I have all these 2XL t-shirts and such, and I'm just like, this would dwarf me now. It's not even funny. I wear large. I was going to ask if you wear large. Yeah. So I had to get a whole new, like basically wardrobe, but fortunately, like I got a sponsor, Barbell Apparelarel and they uh they

hooked up like it's all i can fit in anymore because all my clothes from back in that time span were 2xl and it just looks ridiculous now it looks too baggy um but i do have like some unopened animal stuff from long ago i should uh like give that away or something people love that yeah so what was your heaviest weight and what are you down to now? Are you like, are you your lightest right now or what, what's the change and where you at? Yeah. So I was 262, the heaviest I hit that was, I remember, um, going into boss of bosses one year. I can't remember the exact year. I want to say 2016, Going into boss of bosses one year, I can't remember the exact year.

I want to say 2016, 2017, hanging out with Dan Green. Was on a pretty good, like, D-ball trend cycle. Got up to 262. And then now I'm about 205-ish, 200, depending on the day, anywhere in that range. So, you know, a good 50, 60 pounds down. Right. And, like, 205, it's just funny because it's all relative because to the average population, you know, a 205 pound dude, that's

dead lifting in the 600 pounds and stuff like that, that's big and strong, but it's just when you, when you were like two 65 in comparison, you look smaller now. But, you know, generally speaking, that's still like big and strong. You know, it just is kind of a funny comparison. Oh, yeah. And from your typical gym standards, like I still obviously have a decent amount of strength. But look at powerlifting now, and I'm like, I don't even – it's so different. It's growing so much. I don't keep up with it as much as I did when I was like I don't even it's so different it's it's growing so much I don't keep up with it as much as I did when I was like very competitive right but the numbers now are

almost unfathomable and a lot of the names I don't recognize and it's just it's changed so much it's kind of wild to to see this change to see the numbers of people like Jamal the other day repping a thousand pounds for four. And it's just stuff that I can't wrap my head around. It's humbling, but yeah, I've still tried to maintain as much strength as I can. I pulled 615 a couple of weeks ago, bench is 315. So it's not tremendous, but I'm holding I'm holding up what I, what I can.

Yeah. So what would you ideally want your body weight to be like? Do you want to lose any more weight or would you want to just hold where you're at or what, what do you want? What do you want it to be? Like if you could snap your fingers, are you right where you want to be or do you want to make any more change? Yeah, I'd say I'm pretty close.

I like being around 200 pounds and I don't think i could go back from i don't think i could go back to being heavier at this point because i feel too good at this weight as far as the sleep apnea being gone i sleep the best i ever have i feel the best i ever have it just seems like a good happy medium um i mean honestly weight, maybe lose five more, get to like 195 just from a speed standpoint for like marathons and such. But I'm pretty much dialed in roughly where I want to be and just health wise, I feel incredible. So I could never go back to like 220, 240, you know, anywhere in that range. On the PED side of it, do you have any? Because like, so are you saying for three years you've,

you've been no PEDs over that three year period of time? Do you have any, I feel like maybe it was like around the first time we talked to you, maybe you had made a comment like, oh, maybe at some point in time I would want to do like a TRT dose or something like that. Do you have any ambition to do anything like that at any point in time? Or do you like being 100% natty better? At that time, I wasn't sure how my body was going to come back. So I was toying with that idea at some point. But now I can't see that happening. I feel amazing.

I don't feel any negative side effects three years later from any of that. My skin's cleared up completely i i feel like my testosterone i haven't checked it since in like six months but it got up to 500 at that point and uh everything's functioning good i feel amazing um if anything maybe i'd like toy with the idea of like oh i want to do milano tan to get really tan again but because i'm pale i can't get that tan so i I'm like, that'd be the one, not really PED, but sort of sketchy peptide ish thing that I would do would be Milano tan. But other than that, no, there's nothing that interests me. So yeah, that's really interesting. So you'd said, you know, you've said several times, this is the best you've ever felt.

Do you feel like it's one single factor or is it that combination of running, losing weight, being off drugs? Is it all three of them together or is there one factor you can contribute it to more than others? Yeah, honestly, probably the running more so because I simply wouldn't be this light if it wasn't for that. I eat like a fat kid more or less. I mean, I love food. So I have to run to make up for my eating habits, which I'm not eating like a tundra in the day, but in the evening it's like a free-for-all. And I just pile on ice cream and pizza and chips and queso, and I could just keep going, French toast sticks. And I love to eat like that.

I love to enjoy food. It's my weakness. It's the one vice I have. So I would easily, if I stopped running, I'd balloon up to like 225, 230 pretty quick. So I'd say that makes the biggest difference as far as keeping the blood pressure down, keeping the weight down, um, keeping the health parameters in check on like blood work. That probably makes the biggest difference because it's significant mileage too it's roughly 50 miles a week right now and without that i would gain way quick even being off peds yeah so do you have do you experience any negatives from running that much you know are you do you have any joint pain or anything anything new like a different uh

different side effect that you didn't experience from other where have you lifting right right so far knock on wood the knees have been pretty good i had shin splints for like the first four months and they every once in a while i'll feel a little flare up in the tibia from shin splints um like right now my tibia tibialis anterior on the right side right in the front of the shin is a little little achy so you just get these random like twinges but they go away super quick i've kind of learned just run through them like whenever you feel something off you just like straight up run through it and your body like comes back and it goes away it's the weirdest thing it's like the tibia bone you get these micro fractures when you start running that's what the shin splints are

you get these micro fractures because your tibias aren't used to that force. And then they heal up and they come back stronger. The bone thickens. So it's just stuff like that. But other than that, running is just challenging. It's rewarding, but it's not fun. That's a good take on it, actually. I think that makes a lot of sense.

Is the runner's high real? I would say so in the sense that when I'm done, I feel very like, it's rewarding. I put in this work. But during it, it's a slog sometimes, and you have to take it one mile at a time, literally. So it's so daunting, these goals and the races I've coming up, like hundred mile races and stuff like that.

It's so daunting. The amount of time you have to put in that I just have to be literally thinking about that day, one mile. And then when I get through that mile, the next mile, and I just, that's where I take myself mentally to survive it. So when you have, when you go, when you're, when you're going on these runs, do you have planned maps, charts of where you're going do you hit the same spots every time are you changing that up are you staying on pavement are you going off-road what does that look like

yeah it's mainly um you know you'll find some stretches that you repeat over and over because okay you don't have to cross a busy intersection or whatever so you go on this part and uh if it's a faster day you try to find a slightly flatter course to get the speed work in so it kind of depends on the day but i do have pretty much routes that i repeat and i've got a few different ones and just you roll with it like that but it's very monotonous running is just like consistency it's a grindotonous running. It's just like consistency. It's a grind. Yeah. Uh, anybody can really, I feel like almost get very good at running by just putting in work. Like, whereas lifting takes like years and years of putting in work to get to that high level.

It did. You can't jump that quick, even with steroids. Um, running is like who can put in the most work and then be the most disciplined. And that's how you can get really good at it really quickly. Do you feel like there is a technique component to running? Not really like running the thing about it. If you start thinking about form and all that, you will throw yourself off to such an extent and everybody's so different.

So running, you almost have to just like go out there, do it. Don't think about it at all. Over time, your body will kind of put you in the most efficient position and you'll get faster. So I learned early on, like, don't even think about form wise. I mean, I'm not necessarily trying to heel strike. I'm trying to get on my, the balls of my feet. But other than that, it's not a big intuitive thought thing. It's just, it's a, it's a discipline grind.

Like that's what it is and that's what when i think you know to anyone that's if anyone's ever participated in sports or high school sports you probably did a lot of running i don't really ever remember my life ever thinking about running technique like at all i don't even remember any like through football basketball track any of that i never remember hardly anyone talking about the only time i ever remember technique ever coming up was in track them like teaching like don't you don't go across your body you know you want to be driving forward that's the only technique thing i ever remember from running but it seems like it's become popular lately to to hit on this running technique of how your feet are going and where your knees are at and all like all these things

it seems like it's over complicplicating something that should be relatively simple. I agree. I think the longer you do it, the more time you put in the, the, the, that stuff works itself out.

Like Nick Bayer, he's the guy I kind of look at cause he's jacked. He's fast as heck. It's ridiculous. And he's about the same weight as me. He's not thinking about his form. It just falls where it naturally falls. And he's gotten incredibly fast by just me. He's not thinking about his form. It just falls where it naturally falls. And he's gotten incredibly fast by just grinding away at it for like four or five

years. So it's just a time thing. It's just like, um, you will get faster in time if you put in the work and stay consistent with it. Nobody thinks about form. I don't know, at least in the circles I'm in, like, it's not a thing. When, when you're going out on a run, are you a, are you a headphone guy? Do you have something you're listening to or are you just taken in nature? Oh, absolutely not. I'm like straight up Goggins. I'm like, there is no music, nothing like you are not. I never, I don't think I've, I've ran with headphones ever. It's, it's not a thing. You just try to stay focused. It's like a mental thing. You're in your head. You're like, I don't know. It's kind of like meditation almost then too, you know? Cause you focused. It's like a mental thing. You're in your head. You're like, I don't know.

It's kind of like meditation almost then too, you know, cause you're, you're like, uh, I mean without saying, you know, meditation can mean a lot of different things, you know, not necessarily sitting in a silent room by yourself, but not often in life. Uh, a lot of people very often anymore, do they just like not listen or watch anything for that long? Actually check out. Right, right, right. No, I totally agree.

That's, I don't know, I just, I like to be in my own head with my own thoughts and face that stuff, and I don't know. Yeah. We knew we were going to talk about some running stuff here, so we prepared this little game. What you need to do is, we've got these three

movie running scenes okay i just want you to tell us what your favorite uh you can rank the three movie running scenes from best to worst so first we've got uh forrest gump running across the country okay then we've got indiana jones raiders of the Lost Ark running from the boulder so it doesn't get crushed. And then we've got Rocky running up the steps in Philadelphia, right? I think that's where that's at. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, okay, if I had to rank those as far as what I thought was the best one, I've got to go with Forrest Gump because that's just like mindless,

across-the-country running, which relates to me in the sense of like ultra running and ultra running you know these extreme distances it's like a suffer fest you just got to keep going so that one seems more relatable and then probably the uh the rocky one would be number two because you know running stairs that's not fun at all that sucks so that's very relatable in the sense of like, Oh, running Hills. Nobody likes that. Nobody likes going up mountains and running up mountains and such like, so that one, I would go number two. And then Indiana Jones,

that's more of like a sprinter scene. He's just trying to get out of there. So I'm not the fastest guy as far as that goes, like sprinting. I think that's a very good analysis of those three. That's great. Breakdown. Yeah. When you were at your biggest, heaviest, strongest, is there any lift or achievement you didn't get to when you're at that point

that in hindsight you really wish you would have? I don't know if it's some milestone lift that you were just on the cusp of and didn't quite get it. Was there anything like that or do you not really think or care about it like that? Yeah, I mean, I'm at peace with things now, but at the same time, obviously the 900 pound deadlift in a competition, that was kind of the thing I was really pushing for towards the end. that was kind of the thing i was really pushing for towards the end um and the last major meet i did on on peds that was what i went for and i got it to like my knees so that one kind of uh that one hurts a little bit to not have knocked that out in competition uh 882 even that's 400 kilos that one i had locked out like three or four times in competition and

I like dropped it at the top so that one hurts too but uh other than those I mean I was close to like an 800 pound squat but that doesn't bother me bench no I mean that was that was okay so it's really the deadlift the two deadlifts as far as 400 kilos. And then the 900, I would have liked to get those done in competition, but I wouldn't say it like bothers me too much. It was, uh, I was going to take one more crack at it actually. Cause that last meet I did on stuff was in November. Um, and I was going to take one more crack at it in like April, I was going to do a spring meet. And then my wife was like, listen, if you want to have a kid or you should, we should get this done now. So I was like, all right, fair enough. And so then I came off, but I was actually

going to come off after that April meet. I was going to push it like six more months, run some crazy cycle and try to get it. There's always one more, though. You would have gotten to that point, and then they're like, well, there is this big meet, and it's in October, and I just got to make it to October then. Yeah, that's a fair point. It probably was going to end up like that. So you got to call it at some point where you're like, all right,

I'll back off on this stuff and come off. But, yeah, that was about it that's the only thing that i would say i think about but it doesn't it doesn't bother me too much you don't wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and be like ah 900 you know no and i think too like power lifting has gotten so crazy now where i'm like all right 900 is kind of it's whatever, 900 is kind of, it's whatever, but. Which is kind of crazy. That's the thought that it's like, ah, just, just 900 pounds, you know, like no big deal. I think we've all seen too much of like hack and browner where we're just like, all right, I don't understand it anymore.

It doesn't even make sense to me. These numbers make sense to me anymore. Would you have done anything different in hindsight? You know, you're said you're very happy healthy the best you've ever felt now uh maybe if you did something different you wouldn't be in the space that you're at now or do you think you would have done anything if you went back in time would you have done the process different in any way it's hard hard really hard question to answer but yeah i think things work out but i definitely i would have like ran things more responsibly

ramped up slower so i'm not going like to trend within the first six months because it sounds cool and it sounds like the craziest um so i would have done things more methodically like hacked it i would have i i still i i wish i tried at some point like Masteron. I never got to try that one. I never got to try PrimaBowl. And that's another one I kind of like, like, I wonder what that was like. I want to, cause these are milder, but I wanted to, I wish I had tried both of those just to see.

I never gave him a fair shot. I wish I had tried. It's probably isn't the direction he thought we were going here, but this is even better. Yeah. That's great. Like the drugs. I wish I had tried no right right i wish i had tried anavar sooner too because anavar was the bomb i found it at the end towards the end and i was like blown

away at how awesome it was so that's one i wish i'd stacked with trend back in the day but that never happened no but i mean i'm okay with it all but yeah i definitely think there were some things that would have been uh interesting too but i'm glad i never like tried insulin and gh i really don't think there was uh any need for that in terms of the power lifting side of things it's like more bodybuilding-esque but uh yeah i don't i i think i could have trained more responsibly as well i think a lot of it was just the uh the young immaturity of just like all right we're gonna go pedals of the metal with yeah training and supplementation so there's there's definitely

more responsible way i could have went down that road but talking about some of that stuff um i mean obviously you're you've maybe even done videos or talked about it but uh do you follow sam suluk at all watching his stuff and uh taking you that in i i haven't really watched this stuff but obviously i've heard about him he's blowing up and i think a lot of it is relatable in a sense that's kind of how i felt like um i was in the early years just as like a teenager i'm just like at my apartment talking to the camera eating food uh on a smaller scale so i i definitely relate to where that type of video resonates with a lot of people and a lot of these younger guys it's just the dude's like super relatable as far as that. He's just a guy chilling who likes to lift weights and then get huge and all

that. So that's why I think he's blown up in the way that he has, but I don't keep up with it. I don't keep up with too many guys anymore. To be fair, it's hard to keep up when he has an hour long video every single day, though. It's a lot of content. I remember those days like being, I don't know how old he is but i was you know being 20 21. yeah i think he's like

that old yeah yeah all the time in the world yeah just chill and like eat and your life is literally like what am i going to eat at this next meal i'm going to go to the gym for five hours and this next meal i'm gonna go to the gym for five hours and i somewhat missed the simplicity right lifestyle just like i'm gonna go to the gym for hours on end and eat and then i'm gonna watch tv till 1 a.m and like it was just so i lived it like that i get it so the simplicity of that i hope he doesn't take it for granted because it's a great time. That's a great time in his life. He's going to look back and be like, man, I had it so good. That was easy. Right, right.

But as you get older, responsibilities, family, all that, you can't do that. You can't train for five hours and just hang out. Well, you can. You just won't have a family anymore. Right. Yeah, your family will all be gone and you'll have nobody to turn to. But it's a good phase. I it i really did i really enjoyed that time it was it is it is uh it is like anyone that lifts long you know that you start lifting at that

point you go through that phase and it is awesome um like you would never want to go back to the like you wouldn't want to trade what you have for that, but in just in, you know, it's fun to think about how it was, it is like an enjoyable time. And answering the question, it's such a test for how old someone is because when someone's younger, they're like, oh, it's so bad-ass what he's doing. He's living the life of doing this. And then once you're like on the other side of 30, you're just like, oh, those were the days, man. I remember that. So you have your, like, Oh, those were the days, man. I remember that. So you have your, your different perspectives on it. Oh yeah. It's wild. I can't imagine now, but cause I'm 32 now and looking back at that, that time a decade ago, even, um, man, it was wild. Like when I was in, especially when I was even living, like almost, even though it wasn't really a thing, but it kind of was the professional power lifter type of lifestyle. Um, it was very much like that and it was super chill. It was fun. Uh, but things

evolve, you know, so we move on to, uh, and I still at the core, I like power lifting is my passion. I still lifting is way more fun than running. I still like training for strength more than anything. Um, but it's like three days a week of lifting. It's quicker sessions. Like let's get this done. You know, I'll often be working in between sets. Like that's how I, how I do it. Uh, just trying to make, be as time efficient as possible and more bodybuilding work now, more isolation movements. But at the core, I'm still like, yeah, power lifting, lifting for strength. That's the best, I'm still like, yeah, power lifting, lifting for strength. That's the best thing ever. That's, that's what I love. So the passion for it doesn't go away, but, um, you have to optimize things differently. Do you have any specific,

I've maybe seen you mentioned some things, but any, uh, short-term or long-term like running slash lifting goals where you want to hit this time in this distance and also be able to do X in the gym? Yeah, I'd love to pull around like 650. I think I'm really close right now. Um, and bench, as long as bench is around three 15, I want to get three 25. I think I'm right on the cusp of that as well. So those are kind of the lifts. I really don't care all that much about squat anymore. It's just not very enjoyable. And I've actually seen that deadlift helps a lot more with speed for running than squats. I've noticed that. So 650 deadlift, 325 bench, those are kind of some solid numbers for me at 200 pounds.

bench those are kind of some some solid numbers for me at 200 pounds and then um like i got 16 and a half weeks till marathon it's crazy i'm gonna try to go sub three hours which i know is like insanely uh ambitious i know people are like look at that and be like that's not gonna happen but you gotta aim high i'm gonna go for it um that's like a 65 52 mile for a 26 miles. And then I got the hundred miler that's in June. So that's six and a half ish months away, June 14th in Wyoming. So that's a hundred miles in the mountains. And that's like, that's why I started doing all this. That was the goal. It was a bucket list thing.

So are you able to do that and run the whole hundred miles or like, do you like, okay. Cause no, it's funny. I'm walking. Right, right, right. I mean, what, what percentage are, is, are we talking walking versus running on something like that? For most people, I'd say 50, 50 for most people. But I think for someone at a higher level, which I honestly feel like I'll be at, I mean,

I just did a half marathon i was in like the top 93 percent up so i'm trying very hard like i think i will be at a fairly high level even for that um i think it would be closer to maybe 75 percent running 25 walking because you're going through stretches where it's extreme elevation gains. Um, this one, like the first 10 miles, it's like 4,000 feet of gain, which is a staggering amount. So you're going to have to hike a lot of that. Um, so there, there's a fair bit, I think there's only been like a couple of people who actually have like ran the whole thing and they were like the elite level top athletes, um, that I've heard about, like Matt Carpenter was one of them, but, and then for a marathon, you're running the whole and they were like the elite level top athletes that I've heard about.

Like Matt Carpenter was one of them. And then for a marathon, you're running the whole thing. Like there's no walking. That's a different ballgame. So in some regards, like a top marathon runner is in way better shape than like a top ultra runner because it's a different thing. It's like honestly a three-hour marathon in some ways is harder than a 100-miler. Like the 100-miler is harder than 100 miler like the 100 miler is harder mentally but you're going slow you can take breaks you're walking like you have 35 hours to do

it um even though it's a very tough course in the mountains but a marathon you're going like redlining max speed for 26 miles no walking like that's hardest that you have to be in incredible shape yeah yeah no that that makes a lot of sense oh go ahead no it's just the difference one of them 26 miles all out no brakes one of them you're like leisurely pace well it's just on a much different scale it's like comparing uh if you're running track like the 400 versus the mile. You know, there's definitely like a balls-out 400 is going to leave, you know, it should be a sprint for almost, you know, a minute or whatever it's going to be, which makes you have one feeling,

and whereas a 800 or a mile feels a little bit different, and it makes sense to even take that farther. You know, a marathon at that level it's still endurance but like under sub seven minute miles like you're still running fast the entire time you know you like it's not it's not a slow race uh for higher level competitors and where a hundred miles like you get to a point where it just has to be like you just can't you know nobody can sustain that for that long. Yeah, 100 miles, if you're 24 or under, that's elite. Sub-24 hours, they give you 35.

So it kind of shows you the different range. But it's such a mental grind. And I'd have to get back to you when I've done both of these events coming up. But, yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, I've heard Goggins talk about like seals that he knows have said like the they've done similar level hundred milers like Leadville in Colorado and it was tougher than Hell Week. So it's hard to say. It's just, I don't think you can underestimate the training for either,

which is what I'm trying not to do. I'm trying to be like very serious about the preparation. If you were 20 miles into an awesome marathon time and you really have to take a crap and you're, you're crushing your time. What's the strategy? Do you just let it go? Or what do you, you know, you're, you're 80% done with this thing and you're like

on awesome pace like your pie in the sky pace dream right there you know what they okay so the crazy thing is if you have i always have caffeine i like an energy drink before i run you're good to go like you'll clear out easy before the run you know i've never like i've ran twelve hundred seventy miles since February. I've never had that problem because you're cleared up for the run with the caffeine, the caffeine. I think if you don't do the caffeine, you're gambling. But like if you have caffeine pre run, even an hour before and you'll be good to go, like you'll be ready to roll. Now, I think the bigger question would be if you had to pee. Yeah, you might have to pee. That's legit.

Like you there's nothing you can do about that. You can prevent almost the issue you were talking about, but you very well could be 20 miles in. You're like, man, I got to pee. That's going to kill 30 seconds. So then you have the debate. I know guys who are super fast, like 245, and they're like, I just don't pee during the race. I'm like, I'm going to freaking hold it. I'm not'm not stopping hell no so that's the debate so what would you do do you think i'd hold it i'm rolling yeah yeah would you piss your pants if it was necessary if there was no other choice would you i don't know if i'd go that far i probably wouldn't go that far i'd find i'd be like i think i would consider pissing my pants if it like i, I'm like, I'm going to be drenched in sweat. Like it's going to be like, right, right.

Like now the unspoken thing is, have you ever thought about this? No one talks about this in these hundred mile races. What are you doing? Bathroom wise? No one talks about it. Is everyone just crap on the side of the trail then? Or what? I think so.

No, I'm pretty sure like they go off in the woods. Cause it off in the woods because it's like a don't ask, don't tell. You've got to take care of business. You're in the middle of the mountains. Maybe kind of cover it up a little bit. I think that is a thing because you're not always going to be at a point where you're by a freaking porta potty. It's not that easy. You're in the middle of nowhere. In those extreme conditions, your body might be doing something weird too.

That's what I mean. You got all these issues. So no one really talks about this, but I have read, you know, cause it's a question. You're like, what do I do? People, most people on the hundred milers and stuff, they pack some TP and they just just gotta be ready you gotta be ready i'm serious this is crazy no one talks about it yeah i never thought about that part of it like you're in the mountains what do you do there's not like you can go to the freaking you can't just roll off the side and find a bathroom yeah do you have any new uh top tier

freaking delicious food recommendations anything that's's really triggered you lately that's a go-to? You know what's crazy, guys? I prefer frozen pizza way over takeout. I love all frozen pizzas way more than anywhere I could get pizza. And that's just weird.

People don't seem to think they don't agree with that. Now, I really do like, I've talked about it, the Motor City Pizza Company. I was trying to remember what the one was. Because I see those at Costco. I have to get those sometime. I see those there. I still have not had one yet. That one's legit.

That one's my favorite. I like all frozen pizza. I really like frozen pizza just way more. Do you like Totino's frozen pizza? They used to be like 99 cents and they're like barely pizza. Yeah, like frozen pizza just way more. Do you like Totino's frozen pizza? They used to be like 99 cents and they're like barely pizza. Yeah. They're so thin. They're all right. I mean, it is not the greatest, but I'll eat any frozen pizza, but that would definitely not be up on the top. What's on your top four for the budget frozen pizza? What makes the top of your list

there? Yeah, I see. That's a good question. question kroger's got some some nice ones they've got some nice ones like the kroger brand there's like a white chicken pizza that one's really good um red barons are kind of thin those are pretty cheap you can go good with those the the four or five cheese ones that's what i want right after this uh and you gotta sounds good austin ranch that's the other key. Oh, you ranch it up. Midwest hack. Ranch it up. Wisconsin hack. Yes, sir.

Let's see. Kroger French Toast Sticks are pretty delicious. They're much better than the Walmart French Toast Sticks. Much better. The highest quality French Toast Sticks you're going to find at the grocery store of the Kroger brand. Okay, when you have French Toast Sticks, do just eat out of mind or are you putting anything on them? I don't, you don't even need syrup. They're delicious.

You just microwave them 30 seconds. Good to go. Because I don't, I don't have the patience when I'm, it's, I'm too hungry. So you, I don't even do syrup there. You don't need it. Um, let's see the, the case. So from Kroger with the, uh, with the tortilla chips, the lime, that's pretty good. That's a go-to meal every week.

I still, I indulge about twice a week in the Simply Lemonades. Those are really good. The blueberry is a go-to. Let's see what else we got. I mean, I love some food, guys. I love some food. How about this? These are all, like, not chips, but they're all crunchy snack adjacent.

They're, like, kind of chippy foods but not chips, and I want all crunchy snack adjacent. They're like kind of chippy foods, but not chips. And I want to see which of these you think is the best. Between Cheetos, Bugles, and Funyuns, which of those is the best? Salty, crunchy, not chip. You still got to go Cheetos. The OGs, I like them. Not to say the other ones are bad but i would go cheetos out of those i do the cheetos popcorn is amazing um now i gotta give a shout out to your area

similar you know close the dots pretzels are freaking amazing yeah dots pretzels yeah do you guys have the uh the one they got the seasonal one right now, the cinnamon sugar one. Oh, I've never even seen that one. That one is the bomb. And then they got the cheese curls, which are amazing. Those are way better than Cheetos even. Cheese curls, Dots pretzels cheese curls are way better than Cheetos. Like, people don't know.

A hundred times better. I always like the pretzel ones that have, like, the peanut butter on the inside. Like, I could eat a pallet of those probably. What is that, dots? I don't know if dots makes them. Kind of like a combo type thing almost. Right. It's almost like a combo with peanut butter inside.

Yeah. It's kind of like a combo. See, combos are what I grab whenever I'm on a long drive and I'm at a gas station. And I'm like, I'm starving. I'm going to get these combos. And then I feel kind of crappy afterward. Yeah. That's gas station food.

That is good. I don't even know if, like, I know you probably can, but I don't think anyone in the history of the world has ever bought combos at a grocery store. You just buy combos at a gas station is the only time you buy combos. Dude, that's so true though. I've never thought of that, but that's true. I never have combos unless it's like a minimum two, three hour three hour drive well do they even make combos in a full-size

chip bag is that even a thing i don't know now think about it you don't see them at walmart yeah i've never seen that just digging your hand into a whole like pile of combos like that it'd be just off-putting how much combos are there i think combos kind of smell bad too i'm not sure if those are actually i don't know what's that's that paste material on the inside you know that's like oreos they're not that great but i can't stop eating them i've totally i've totally changed my opinion on oreos in like the last three to four years i used to think nah these things suck and something changed i love oreos now i do think what you say is right though pete they kind of like you look at it and you think about

it like this sucks but then you're getting like ah this is pretty good you know like there's just i wonder though if it's one of those things where they're sweet but they're not so overly sweet where you know where you get that fix and you're like okay yeah that's enough sweetness where like you can hammer some oreos and keep going well it's weird because i just walk by them and i just go grab like two and i notice i do this like seven times a day and then i've had 15 and i'm like they're doing something to these to pull like crack in them or something i don't understand it's like an addiction i'm just like they got that team of engineers crafting up the food perfectly yeah well we i know it's not real food but it's still like i'm subconsciously just grabbing these things like i'm not like i don't even like them that much i'm like what am i doing now i keep buying it's a weird thing it's

like a drug so i think that's my that might be like the drug they're giving us or something i don't know yeah what would be your go-to oreo you know they make a lot like they make a lot of different variations flavors and levels of thickness and okay straight up it's either going to be the christmas time white fudge covered ones that they but they come in a tiny box which is annoying because you're not actually getting that much there's those like white fudge-covered ones. But they come in a tiny box, which is annoying because you're not actually getting that much. There's those white fudge-covered ones. And then I really do like the Mega stuff because you just get the

insane amount of cream in the middle. I like those. We maybe talked about it before, Tommy, but the Keebler Elves Fudge Cookies, where it's like it looks like a little elf. Those are kind of a classic, too. Yeah, the cookie is tan, and the inside is chocolate fudge.

Also not food, but they taste good. Well, most of this stuff is not real food, but you know what? It's still good. It's delicious. It's freaking delicious. If I'm going to subject myself to the difficulties and torture of running, I'm going to eat this stuff. I don't care. I gave up steroids. I'm not to, if I'm going to subject myself to the difficulties and torture of running, I'm going to eat this stuff. I don't care. Like I gave up steroids.

I'm not giving up this stuff. That's where I draw the line. It's like macaroni and cheese. I have macaroni and cheese three times a week. Okay. So, all right. So macaroni and cheese, what's your, what's your go-to there? I have been lately on a kick with the Kraft three cheese shells version.

With their version. So you're saying the box that you boil. With their version, is the cheese, though, is it like gooey cheese or are you mixing milk? I do my own because I add my own cheese extra and I get a lot of butter. And then it comes out like insanely cheesy. I have done the goo stuff before in the box the like special ones yeah like the valvita shells and cheese yeah but they every brand has that now like there's a cracker barrel version there's a craft i've tried them those are pretty good which you get this like well it's like

a velveta just like you said kind of gooey cheese but i still like the classic boil it in the water in the box and then add a little cheese and that's good that's amazing for me my favorite noodle it's the spirals something about those spiral noodles are good dude they just i'd pick spiral noodles over the elbow macaroni any day of the week spirals is where it's at i got spirals today at the grocery store and you can buy the cheapest brand whatever grocery store you go to whatever their their house brand is they're like 70 cents for the box those are the best i always i think those are the best best macaroni i agree i got spirals today i got i got spirals i got a three cheese uh i got uh yeah i got a

couple but you know where they screw you is the ones that are shaped like cartoon characters like we buy those for our kids sometimes and just because I'm like, oh, they'll like this. They'll eat it. It looks like Dora the Explorer or whatever the hell it is. But there is so much less food in one of those boxes. It's that licensing fee they got to cover. There is nothing in here. This is not even close to it.

If I was to eat this whole box, I'd be like, I am starving. That was not enough food in there. It's weird that they taste different between, like, the shapes and spirals than the regular. I don't understand why it's such a different taste. Like, they all have a different taste. They do.

I don't know. The other thing, too, lately, Texas toast, I've been big on that. Did you buy it in the box with, like, the six pieces in it? Oh, yeah. Straight up, yellow box. That's what it's called. Yeah, that yellow box Texas toast. Yeah, I don't know what that is, but we get that. It feels like what that brand is, but I don't know. It's a yellow box. I it. Straight up yellow box. That's what's up. Yeah, that yellow box Texas toast. Yeah, I don't know what that is, but we get that.

I don't know what that brand is, but I know exactly what you mean. It's called New York. It's got the five cheese. Oh, my gosh, that stuff is freaking incredible. I don't have the patience to cook this stuff in the oven. It does. I had to look because I'm like, there's no way that box says New York on it. It does.

I've never in my life realized that that box is. I just know that it's yellow and like the shape that it is. Dude, that stuff is the best Texas toast though. New York bakery. It's got like the butter dripping off. Yeah. Gosh. Yeah.

This is what I eat every week. It's terrible. I know. I'm sorry. But it's just so good. What about, what do you think of, this is a lower tier, I think, but it's like you go to the refrigerated section of the grocery store, and it's like the Bob Evans, like the brick of macaroni.

It comes in like, it's got like a cardboard sleeve around it, and you pull it out, and it's the black, almost like TV dinner of like this dense thing you put in the microwave for like 17 minutes and stir it and put it in for like five more minutes like how could this be in the microwave for like half an hour and you pull it out like do you like what do you think of that in comparison to the other style see that one you're not getting as much bang for your buck so i don't often but i've tried it's good it's delicious but it just bang for your buck wise it's not enough like it's the same kind of premise where i have that and i'm like i'm still

hungry so i don't do too much of those um but i have tried it of course i've tried all this stuff yeah i don't know it's it's like yeah i still think just the straight up box that you boil that's the way to go because you can add your own cheese. You can add all the cheese. You can cut off a huge block, melt that. And it still tastes fresher no matter what. Yeah, it doesn't have the sketchy like, yeah, like I've had the deluxe versions with the Velveeta type cheese, but it's still sketchy. I don't eat much protein, guys, to be honest.

You know the Kraft one where you boil, you you know the crap the craft one you boil you add the butter the milk and the cheese stuff and i found not that i'm trying to make this healthy because it's not like it's the opposite of healthy food to begin with but like the butter the amount of butter they tell you to use you can use like a fourth of that and it kind of is the same still yeah you know like the butter that's where i'm like you don't need near as much butter as what they say to put in there no but it's in america yeah right right gotta take all the calories you can get i thought this was america the one healthy food i really like but it takes a lot of work is a pomegranate because you gotta like peel it and get all the seeds out but that's delicious i love pomegranates um that's been a go

to lately because they kind of come out in winter that's been my i i seriously probably get about 100 grams of protein a day because i eat beef and rice but i'm not one of these guys who's like oh i got two grams of protein per pound of body weight or whatever i just don't it's it's too much um i don't know were were you of the same mindset when you were 260 250 or what are you just eating more in general i suppose or i did try to eat more protein back then i would but it was coming from like i drink you know protein chocolate milk yeah even i mean i was more like chocolate milk and i would eat a pound of beef with the rice-a-roni um a lot of ice cream that was pretty much the diet it's like ice chocolate milk beef and beef with rice-a-roni the four cheese of course

and that was it that was the day that was the diet for like my whole 20s yeah uh did you see the cages coming back to the arnold in 2024 the animal cage is back that blows my mind it felt like it disappeared it just the arnold itself almost felt like it disappeared so i'm kind of amazed yeah it literally disappeared for a year and then it's been a slow climb back to what it was like in like that 2015 to 2020 or 2015 to 2019 time frame because it got ridiculous there for a while where it was just it was just insane like it was too it actually felt like it was the most popular thing in the world when you'd go you think there's no way anyone could like something more than this, the number of people. Yeah, it was huge. Is Animal going to do it still? Yeah.

It's the Animal cage this year. Because I thought they got rid of most of their roster of powerlifters. I think they only have Dan Green. I think you're right. We talked about who even is on that list. No one that was on that list in 2017 basically comes back. I guess it just won't be animal athletes, and they'll just get, you know, I suppose they'll just recruit anyone that they can try and recruit

and throw an animal shirt on them for that day, and maybe they just don't care. You know, maybe they don't feel like it needs to be Dan Green, Pete Rubish, and James Strickland, and, Strickland and the quote-unquote animal lifters. Maybe they just think, no, we'll just get Jabal Browner and Julius Maddox in here and John Hack, and we'll get them to wear an animal shirt. Yeah.

I mean, they did that a little bit before. They would try to get guys in for the week. Is it still in Columbus as well? Yep. Wow. I'm so out of the loop. Like, it feels like the Arnold days were a million years ago. I don't think I've been to the Arnold in four, five years, four years.

Maybe they're going to throw a treadmill in the cage and have you do a little run deadlift. I would. Sign me up. Maybe they're going to throw a treadmill in the cage and have you do a little run deadlift. Sign me up. I'd love to see that. Just like a free-form runner tucked into the corner. You'll just be running during the entire session. I could do it with the altitude trainer.

I got this like by Toxico. They hooked me up. It's like this crazy elaborate. You remember the not, you remember the mass people just put it, not like that. It's like a legit altitude trainer. That'd be intense. Run on that. And then dad left. Just be, you start running. You'll do an ultra marathon inside the cage.

You'll just start running on Friday and don't quit until Sunday when they're tearing the whole thing down. That'd be your. treadmill's really boring. Oh yeah. thing down that'd be your treadmill's really boring oh yeah um did you get a new a different youtube channel what were what did you have going on there yeah i don't know it's just i think it was the four year period i barely posted and i think the algorithm kind of like killed the channel in the sense it felt like it stagnated it wasn't growing at all so i almost just was like i'm gonna bite the bullet and just start fresh um because the view count was not in line with the actual subscriber count so i just like it didn't make sense the channel was dead and then i just

started doing like uh either just talk about whatever i feel like like offending people and stuff no um no i would kind of talk more openly on that other channel. And then this one, I'm just like the new one is fitness oriented, trying to be more professional and straightforward. So I don't know. So is the other one done or will they both exist? I just post random things on there. I'm like, oh, this is what I feel like talking about.

So that one's more just whatever just whatever i feel like no editing just whatever but the other the other one the new one i'm trying to put them like actually grow and slowly make it fitness oriented lifting and running wise kind of a split of both do you feel like the youtube world is completely different now than it was say seven eight years ago or do you feel like there's a lot of similarity completely different it's back then you could get away with like not even trying thumbnail wise not even yeah no editing and now it's like that's what the game is so i don't know it's different it's like the new one is more professional business oriented,

trying to do things right from get go. And I'm just kind of like, whatever on the other one at this point. So it's, it looks less impressive number wise, but it's got more potential long term for growth. Cause the other thing I just, I never did it right from the beginning. So it just was kind of like me talking. And then when I stopped posting for a while, it kind of just died off. And I tried to get, I tried to get it back. I realized it's like the algorithm is tanked. There's no growing this. Right. Okay. All right. We've got this game.

We played this one with you back two, three years ago. We play with every guest that's overrated underrated and we've got a special uh round two pete rubish set of over under topics it's just your job to decide if each one's overrated or underrated you just can't ride the line you got to decide on each one definitively so first one overrated or underrated dead lifting with a squat bar. Overrated. I don't think it's that,

I don't think it helps that much anymore. I dabbled in that for a while. I don't think it makes a huge difference. So when you were originally doing it, what were, what were some of your thoughts behind taking that approach? Just cut out all possible slack to where, when I go back to like a deadlift bar,

it would feel like it just springs off the floor, but it really doesn't give as much carryover as you think. Like you might get a little boost, but it's so minuscule. It's almost like not even worth it. So on that same topic, then do you feel like deadlift bars in general are overrated too? Do you feel like deadlift bars in general are overrated too? I think they're underrated in the sense that they're really not that much easier than a stiff bar. So I'm like, why don't we just all pull on one? Cause it's not, I don't know. I've never done the Kabuki one, but I'm like,

it doesn't give you that much more than a stiff bar really. And then we could get into the whole argument. Maybe for sumo, it's's a different technique but i don't right i don't know about that for conventional it really doesn't give you that much more going from a stiff bar to a deadlift bar so i think they're underrated in the sense of just like it doesn't matter with your new goals and training and stuff are you still implementing the 45 degree back raise weighted uh you know with the bar your barbell 45 degree do you do those still not recently because i'm it's like i have to pick and choose time efficiency wise so three days a week one day of lower and the lower body day is just like deadlifts split squats and then i throw in pull downs for lats that's it because i'm hitting my low back so much from the deadlifts

that i look like i look at it like that can kind of go if i wasn't running i would definitely be doing it but i have to be a little more selective with the running because it just gets to be too much time wise and too much on the body okay overrated or underrated i don't still not exactly sure what how you say the name of it but your shoes, Saucony shoes is that how you say it? Yep. Saucony shoes overrated or underrated?

Underrated. They're the only brand I've gone with since I started running. I love them. All the shoes I've worn from them I'm like alright I'm not going to switch because these feel amazing. And the ones I wore for the half marathon they felt really fast. They were good. So I've worn from them. I'm like, all right, I'm not going to switch because these feel amazing. And the ones I wore for the half marathon, they felt really fast. They were good. So I save them for that.

Great shoes. So you do have, is it when it comes to big races like that half marathon or a marathon, there is a specific shoe you wear just on that day? Yeah. Like I'm like, I'd break them out. Maybe if I'm trying like a 5k PR and training or a 10K. But I've worn those shoes like twice. That was a half marathon and a 10K PR I did in training. So when you put shoes like that on, do you immediately feel, do you feel faster in them?

Yeah, I feel it makes probably 10, 15 seconds per mile difference, I feel. Yeah. Okay. 15 seconds per mile difference i feel yeah okay and is that is that the way is it the lightness of them or the way your your gait changes like your stride what what are they doing it's almost like they're designed in a way to give you more spring off the ground nike came out the first version of these and then other brands have kind of gone a similar route so each brand kind of has their own style of them now. And they're, they're really expensive shoes.

All of them are like 300 bucks and they don't last that long. So you can't wear them all the time because they only last, whereas a normal running shoe, you could get 500, 600 miles on it. These last like 150, 200 tops. So it's, it's something you just save for like those all out efforts when you want that extra boost. Yeah. So, okay. So the 500, 600 mile thing, how many, how many miles do you get in a month right now? It is about 200.

Okay. So do you watch that pretty close? Are you buying new shoes every two, three months? Yeah. Cause I can kind of tell too, you start to feel more feel more uh your joints feel it more and all that but you can see the bottom of them's getting all like ripped off and you can tell okay that was gonna be my next question like can you actually tell her do you just follow this guideline but yeah the last pair i'd like a hole come out of the side i was like yeah it's fine like it you could you can really see the wear and you're like okay i push it as long as i can to be honest but it just it gets to a point where it's like it's not even you know it's not safe it's not worth it so okay overrated or underrated ron dane

i mean i feel like overrated because he was before my time at Wisconsin. I didn't really see him. And when he got to the NFL, he was much slower than everyone, and they just destroyed him because he never had speed. He got by in college because he was just so big. But when he actually faced NFL-level caliber competition, he was way too slow. I mean, he was not good at all in the pros. So, and it's not fair because I didn't really see him but i would say overrated

i think now we talked about earlier and like i i thought i said i think he won the heisman i think he did win the heisman did he set like the rushing record or something too like did he have like the either career or single season ncaa rushing record or something like that at one point in time maybe i'm wrong i don't know yeah i think did. And he still holds it at Wisconsin. But honestly, Jonathan Taylor was a way better running back. Jonathan Taylor was stupid good. My goodness. I mean, I've seen Melvin Gordon, James White, all these guys, Moneyball. There were so many good running backs at Wisconsin over the last like decade 15 years but jonathan taylor was unreal like that was just a different level that guy was way better than ron dane um he would have broken ron dane's record but he went pro a year early oh yeah who do you

think the best badger ever like who's your who's who's the best football player to come out of there jonathan taylor on the. He was a different level. I will never see a running back like that. That was his vision, his speed, his power. It was stupid. No one, it was, it was like watching somebody who was on a different level than everyone else. That guy was crazy.

Russell Wilson, the one year he was there was pretty awesome. JT was like on freaking real, which when he led the league in rushing in the nfl like a year ago it didn't surprise me that guy was just playing a different level of sport than everyone in college he was crazy he carried the team it was just like all right yeah do you know who taylor melhoff is have you ever heard that name before? Yeah, he's from western northeast South Dakota. He's from Aberdeen, South Dakota, where we're from. What about you guys know Joe Kravinoff? Oh, he's from Sioux Falls.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad, because my dad loves to watch college basketball, and so the fact that there's a South Dakota guy, yeah, he loved watching Joe Kravinoff, yeah. Also, we got a guy, he's a recruit coming in next year. Thomas Heiberger from, uh, I think he's in Sioux Falls at one of the schools. He's going to be, he's like a three, four star recruit and he's going to play for Wisconsin and he's out of there.

Okay. And then there's another guy actually, oh, this is a crazy story. Small world. I'll be quick here, but Ohio'll see ohio state quarterback yeah he came from pierre yeah he was a really high recruit you know like a kindles well well are you saying the one that just went to ohio this past year yeah yeah yeah well i mean i just know who he is because he's a big name like from pierre yeah from pierre yeah yeah he said all the records he played baseball yeah okay i was in freaking laramie wyoming

and i'm at the hotel and i come down in the lobby and i'm he's and he's with the coaches for wyoming wyoming football this was before his recruiting blew up he was like only a three star at that point and he hadn't blown up that much he had offers from like washington north dakota state south dakota wyoming and i'm like a wisconsin fan i'm like holy crap that's the guy we're trying to get so i like went up to him and took a picture and he was like amazed that anyone knew who he was yeah like me and everything and then his recruitment just blew up after that but i was like i met that guy at a random hotel at hilton and where are me wyoming that is yeah i remember i didn't realize how big of you know i i knew just from the south dakota football scene that he was good I didn't realize he was getting that much national attention until this

year when we're at the Arnold Tanner do you remember it was the very last day we go to the bathroom and some it was like it was done the place was cleared out some guys asked where we from we said South Dakota and they go we got your quarterback coming here this year he's got he's the next big deal and these guys were all hyped on it. I was very disappointed in him. I was like, Ohio State, man. Come on. I hate Ohio State. You couldn't have went anywhere else with that. What about Nebraska? What do you think of the Huskers?

Oh, they're fine. Okay. Last one. All the marvels here. Overrated or underrated? Eggo waffles. Underrated. It's a good food. I don't get Eggo waffles because I think French toast sticks are way better. But I would say they're very high quality.

I think the blueberry version with those tiny fake blueberries, it's good. You know, you toast them real quick. You throw some syrup on, delicious. So I think a lot of this manufactured food is tremendous stuff i don't personally get them too much but i don't think they're overrated they're classics they've been around waffle i've been on the chocolate egg waffle kick lately that's what my kids eat for breakfast yeah like the chocolate egg so we get them because of our kids but now i'm like no look i'm eating those things now yeah that's what my kids eat for breakfast yeah like the chocolate egg and so we get them because of our kids but now i'm like no look i'm eating those things now yeah that's what i i try to say that about ori i'm like i get them for the kids and i bet i could eat like 10 of those egg

waffles and you load some peanut butter on those things too and you just go it's it's nothing can slow you down a box of egg waffles is one serving i bet i could eat a box like if i was really hungry and that's all i was eating i could definitely eat a box of thosego waffles is one serving. I bet I could eat a box. Like if I was really hungry and that's all I was eating, I could definitely eat a box of those and be like, man, I'm not even stuffed. Like, it's just like,

all right, I'm good. Have you guys ever had those, uh, those little $1 burritos you get in the frozen side? Like the individually wrapped one. Yeah. There's like four different,

like there's like a purple one, a green one and an orange one or whatever yeah we used to always buy the bag where you'd get uh when there'd be like eight in the bag it was like four dollars you'd get eight of them and they're all pretty small oh man just to live off those things oh yeah and it was it was how much especially when you're in college it's like how much effort do you want to put in do you just do you just need something quick you microwave it need it or if you want get fancy, you put a Kraft single on there, maybe some sour cream and some hot sauce,

then you're really living the life if you take those steps. No, that's smart. I never even thought of that. I can do that. Those things are awesome. I'm like, a dollar? Let's do it. I would say I don't know.

I don't feel like they went all out on the quality filling because it's all these different flavors and I swear to God, everyone is just full of refried beans. They all taste exactly the same. They all taste the same. They're all just refried beans as the 90%

ingredient there or something. That's crazy. You're so right though. They all have different flavors, four of them, and then they taste the same. You're right. I would like to have one of those too though they're also either it's the common problem with food like that they're either like still cold or just like so freaking hot destroy you oh yeah you gotta bring it one more thing i gotta i gotta end with this this is this is very frustrating to me did you guys ever remember those uh red baron biscuit style scramble pizzas no what the hell happened to those things i'm so pissed i was

like i would freaking i would pay hundreds of dollars to bring those back and they got rid of them like a year or two two years ago they got rid of them around covid i think it was like a conspiracy yeah i blame COVID. Freaking live on those damn things. Look those things up. Red Bear, Skit Style, Scrambles. It was the freaking best food in the dang world and you can't even get them anymore. I can't find them anywhere.

I literally was like, the bacon flavor one was like... If anyone listening can find those, please send Peter a box. I see them here here i don't really remember these things these things were the oh my gosh i lived on these for like a decade and they got rid of i'm like why'd you get rid of them yeah best thing i've ever had in my life

that is funny though when i type it in like the top comment on google is a post from reddit from three years ago and it's titled, Red Baron Scrambles Bacon. These are really freaking good. No complaints. The Baron killed it. 10 out of 10. So someone else, Pete Rubish. It's posted by Pete Rubish.

Why did we get rid of these? It's very aggravating, guys. I literally was addicted to these. Gosh dang. How to stop. One last question before I forget. Is Big David still down there? Are you keeping Big David in line?

We haven't seen him for a while. Oh, he's here every day. All right, good. Just got to check up on that guy. Man, we love that guy. I forgot about Big David. It's been a while. I think he came back once, like, six months ago,

and I wasn't around the gym at the time. So I didn't see him, but we, he's got his name on the board still. So whenever big David, if he ever wants to come back, we'll make a, we'll make a spot for him. Oh,

he's going to listen to this. He benched like five Oh five, about a month ago. Oh, he's doing pretty well. He's like 70 still benches. Five Oh five. His arms are so long too.

Yeah. He's like, he's a, he's benches. His arms are so long, too. Yeah. He's like, he's, bench is his best lift. He hates squats like the rest of us, but. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's doing well. Yeah, he's got a big bench, damn. It is, it is. He's the strongest bench runner, Jim.

He's a mainstay here. Yeah. Speaking of good tan, Big David always had a good tan, too. Big David loves the Milano tan. I do, too, though. David's a character. I mean, he's willing to take anything like that. He's not afraid to back down.

No, he was like me back in the day. He was like me myself in that way. I'm like, he's part of the crew down here. We got a pretty fun crew. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, he's a good dude. All right. All right.

So what is the new YouTube channel? Where do people check that out at now? What's the handle? Yeah, it's just Pete Rubish Fitness. So that's the one. That's it. Slowly chipping away with it. Awesome.

I love talking about food. Yeah, that's one of our favorite topics. Anytime we get an episode and we get going on food, it's always one of my favorite episodes. It goes off the rails for me. Yeah, that's the best. We do really appreciate you coming on again. This was a lot of fun. I think people really enjoy it. So keep doing what you're doing. It's the best. We do really appreciate you coming on again. This was a lot of fun.

I think people really enjoy it. So keep doing what you're doing. It's good stuff. Yeah, I appreciate you guys. Always good going back in time and all that. Thank you so much. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Pete.

Yes, sir. I'll see you guys. All right, see you later. Cool beans. Cool beans. Cool beans. There it is. Pre-packaged single serving cool beans straight out of the mic repeat yeah uh good stuff i'm hungry i'm not lying that all made me hungry it was it was making me hungry too thinking of all these for supper tonight i made chili oh yeah hot chili i i had ham and

mashed potatoes and corn but i kind of want to go eat crap now like something about that episode really makes me want to go eat something really like really shitty i actually really want like one of those like a red baron pepperoni pizza i think i could eat i actually had it i had a jack's pizza for lunch to me jack's is one of those floppy pieces of shit oh that they are top tier that's what that's what uh that's what huck finn and callous they love jack's don't they isn't that there's shit yeah i think they tried to get sponsored by jack's for a long time yeah oh i i like i'm with pete and i don't know if this he influenced me the last time he was on, but I basically like frozen pizza better than a generic carry out pizza. Like I like really hot, really good, like a restaurant pizza best probably.

But I like, I frozen pizzas legit. Like I could eat. Oh, I could, I could, I a hundred percent. I mean, to me, it's just pizza in general. I could eat pizza every single day and be good with it. But yeah, frozen pizza. I love frozen. I have a limit for, it's just pizza in general. I could eat pizza every single day and be good with it. But yeah, frozen pizza. I love frozen. I have a limit for myself of one frozen pizza a week.

Otherwise, I could eat four or five a week. No problem. I might only have one a month, but I could eat frozen pizza. I could have a few a week. I've done one a week for probably the last eight years. Didn't that used to be like your... Wouldn't you have one after post-squat? I used to always do Friday nights,

I get the Little Caesars after squats. Oh, Little Caesars, yeah. Like getting the squat workout done was only half the battle. The other half was trying to get that Little Caesars pizza down. See, my thing is if I have Little Caesars, I will feel like shit when I'm done.

I like it, it tastes good. But if I have frozen pizza, I won't feel like shit when I get done. Well, also the calorie level is on a whole nother level. An entire Little Caesars pizza versus Jack's pizza is probably three to four times more calories. But even DiGiorno, which seems a little more on that

level, if I have quite a bit of DiGiorno, I do not feel like shit when I get... I mean, I don't feel like... I definitely feel like I just ate kind of a shitty food yeah right yeah it's right i never felt good after him either but uh that's not what we do it for you don't do it to feel good you live in the moment you're in it feels great in the moment yes it does like it feels awesome you can just feel yourself recovering from your workout there is nothing wrong with little Caesars. I mean,

it's cheap, disgusting. I have not had one in so many years that I actually would like to have one again, just to have some perspective on, on how that is. The worst leftover, uh,

carry out pizza that possibly exists. Like it, I know we, I'm not, I don't need to say it again, but it turns into a different food altogether where it's like, which is pizza holds up pretty damn good out of all the leftovers. But yeah, that's, that's my rant on that is that little Caesars, you gotta eat it when

it's hot and ready. Also, it's just never hot and ready at ours anymore, where I'm like, every time I go, it's like, oh yeah, pull forward. We'll bring it out to you. And I'm like, it's your stick. Yeah, dude. Like I'm here to you. I hand you the card. You're shtick. Yeah. Dude, like, I'm here to you. I hand you the card.

You're not holding up your end of the bargain here. You hand me the pizza. Yeah, there's a. Hot, ready. You can't even say it's an unwritten rule. This is literally a written rule that it's hot and ready, and they're not holding it up. Last time I was there was probably maybe a month or two ago. And I swear, I was like, oh, yeah, can I get whatever this fucking,

I love the names that they come up with. The pepperoni deluxe triple whatever, you know, like, and they're like, oh, that one would be about 10, 15 minutes. And I'm like, oh, okay, well, I didn't come here to wait 10, 15 minutes. I came here because I'm going home quick, and, like, this is the, that's the thing. Like, it's I'll pull in, pull out with a pizza, go home. I'm like, okay, give me the, this is the, that's the thing. Like, it's, I'll pull in, pull out with a pizza, go home. I'm like, okay, give me the whatever, you know, the regular pepperoni.

Like, oh, yeah, that one's about five, ten minutes out. That one wasn't ready either, really. No, and I'm like, hmm, now I'm getting pissed. And I'm like, okay, give me this and some crazy bread, because I had this coupon for crazy bed. And they're like, yeah, that crazy bed's in the oven now or whatever. And I'm like, fuck it. Like that. Care easy beds in the oven now or whatever. I'm like, fuck it. Like you just try again.

Another time. You just ruined my day here. Like you just you just that is not what you're for. So, yeah, that's that. Black Friday, huh? Yeah. All right. We should actually read some ads.

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I don't see anything yet. Even if they don't, I would say, please, for the love of God, get a loved one a pair of wool pants. If someone gets someone wool pants from swiss swiss link for christmas and video records that i will share that like that i just want to see it the wool pants but they might be like us they might be more of a black friday traditionalist like us who don't do their deals and they wait black friday so keep keep checking on them. The way God intended this commercialized, another commercialized holiday to be.

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Up to 30% off site-wide. So great deal there. And I don't know maybe uh depending on if it's discount code or just already marked down you could stack discount code massonomics on top of it and that'll save you an additional 10 off so check them out buildfastformula.com thank you build fast tanner i have a sack i have something over here for us oh okay, okay, yeah. And then after that, maybe I should do Supporting Our Supporting Members. Oh, actually, no, do that first. Do that first.

Oh, you do that? Okay. So Supporting Our Supporting Members is a relatively new segment of the podcast where we give back to our supporting members. You can become a supporting member if you go log on website, massanomics.com slash join.

Multiple levels of support that you can choose. We'd love to have you do it. If you've been a listener of this for a while, you like what we're doing, you think, hey, this is kind of cool, I'd love to see them continue to do this, we would love to have more supporting members. So please log on and consider doing that. It really is a part of what makes this podcast continue to go on. So please consider becoming a supportive member.

That would be the gift to us this Christmas. That would really mean something is to see more of you join up. And then part of what we do is give back each week with this segment. So this week, Big Dutch Matt, he got engaged. Yeah, yeah. Big move. Congratulations on the impending funeral. I say that every time somebody gets married in the crew.

Jeff, big Florida, Florida man was on channel four news for talking about overcoming money. Dysmorphia tune into channel four news to find out more from big Jeff. Florida man overcomes money. Dysmorphia. Tune in to Channel 4 News to find out more from Big Jeff. Florida man overcomes money dysmorphia. Then we had the turkey pull going on, put on by the Strength Co. Big Grant and Big D putting that on in Southern California. They had their annual turkey pull event, which looked like it went awesome.

So awesome that a few crew members were there. We saw Big David, Big one of the Davids, and Big Andrew were both there. Big David hit a deadlift PR of 430 pounds, and Big Andrew hit a deadlift PR of 495 pounds at the Turkey Pole. 495, five plates. That's a good one.

Did you get a Turkey Pole shirt, Tommy? Well, I mean, you're kind of getting ahead of me here a little bit. Oh, crap. Damn it. I hate to spoil anything so just let's pretend i we'll edit that in post yeah uh then we had big catfish he won a bigfoot calling competition very noteworthy that was yeah that's not a joke that's true i love that they everyone has agreed on apparently what the correct call for Bigfoot is. Kind of reminds me of like a pig calling competition where they go, I don't know, where they do that thing.

Kind of. I've heard that before. But also one of the animals people can go listen to one of the animals and know what that is. The other one, we've just agreed that even though we haven't found this thing, we know what something is. Or have we? Well, that's to be decided, I guess. Yeah. Big Jory, supporting member and Massanomics gym member,

competed down this weekend in Crew Falls, a little place you might be familiar with. USAPL. Yeah. Meet down there at Big Jonah Leo's gym, a place that we're going to be holding part of our Crew Falls December to Remember meetup event in just a few short weeks. And Big Jory hit a new state bench record.

I don't have numbers. I just have facts on Big Jory. Big Jory. For sure over 100 pounds, we know, right? It's definitely over a hondoo. There's at least several hondoo for Jory. Congrats again. And then uh last of course not least check out uh one of the big davids the uk big david was on this week's episodes of

unpaid and underrated is the uk big david the same as the british big david or would they different we well yeah or is he the english big yeah that's what i can't even there might be i don't know yeah i don't know and i don't even know if he's also the same person as the other big david that we talked about i'm not even totally lying in my head i think partly i don't want to know but they're all the same to me in my head even the british one i assume the non-british ones are also british that's they're all just big david i haven't listened to all of the big british david's episode yet but what i gotta say even though i know like i believe that i in my heart believed i didn't think the british thing was a facade i but i've seen pictures of big david and his videos and lifting never heard

of his voice before and hearing him talk i'm like totally thrown off by it even though i know that i'm like yep well yeah that guy's very british like it's also totally hilarious to me that it never dawned on me that british big david has a british accent it just never dawned on me that that was very british accent yes and i mentioned uh he's signed up for the Strongman event at the 2024 Lift Hard Live Easy Classic. I can't wait to show him off to my family and local friends. Like, hey, here's this British person that is my friend. Now speak for them, David.

And you'll be talking in this Austin Powers accent the whole time. And I'll be like, oh, it just, I don't do this on purpose. It's just when I'm around people, you know, like you start to pick up on their tendencies. You know, David and I are, I have a lot of foreign interesting friends with different accents. Some of you might not understand. I have a lot of different foreign friends from multiple countries here.

So what David was at the Turkey poll though? That was a... What's his profile picture? What was his profile picture? Michael Scott. Okay. But I like to assume that now that I know one of the Davids has a British accent, the Michael Scott David probably also has a British accent,

is how I like to think about it. I cannot confirm that he does not. Exactly. It's not definitive. I also, you know, I heard British David talk, but I'm not ruling out the small possibility that it is all deep fake because British David likes a good meme and a good joke. Just long play on this one.

Has Tommy seen it, The Prestige? Yeah, actually I have yes and you know um what's his name who's the actor in there batman yeah batman batman play black batman plays the ultimate long con on that one because it was actually him and he and a twin you do kind of wonder at a certain point in that movie like where the hell is this thing going here? Yeah. And he played the serious long, oh, spoiler alert, I suppose, on the long con. But I'm still just wondering if British David is playing a really long con,

a joke that's just going to be awesome. Oh, like you think he's actually Christian Bale? Is that what you're saying? Yes. And that he, then all that's yet to be determined, is he the man in the box or the man outside the box? Yep.

Yep. We'll just have to wait and see. Wait and see. So thank you to our supporting members this week. Another riveting segment of supporting our supporting members. I'm going to do this sack segment that you're totally surprised by and have no idea what it is. I haven't opened mine yet, though. It came from our good friends at the Strength Co.

I have just slid the package. I have not opened it yet. Okay. I don't know what this looks like, actually. If we go to open, there is a note with the signature Strength Co. card on it. There's a note. It says Big Tommy. Sorry, it's not Curl Relaxer.

Big D. It is not Curl Relaxer, but that's okay because it is a turkey pole. Oh, yeah. 20-23-T. Yeah. That's actually what tells me that it's Thanksgiving time. I wouldn't know. But the fact that I got the shirt,

now I know that it is Thanksgiving. I only know holidays by what Strength Co. That's all I look for now is I just wait for what I... We don't need calendars. You just lay out your Strength Co. I mark my holidays in what holiday Strength Co. shirt arrives at my door.

And that is how I know what the holiday is. That turkey's pulling. That turkey's pulling. That turkey's pulling. I haven't opened mine yet. I've been a little behind the eight ball on that. But Black Friday keeps getting earlier and earlier. Am I right?

It does. It does keep scooting up. Black Friday basically starts as soon as Halloween's done now. Yes. It does. We are the Black Friday traditionalists in the way that it actually we debated this it felt like we're breaking our own rules by announcing black breaking the law breaking the law we're gonna get thrown in t-shirt jail because we announced our black friday items on our podcast

tonight that actually show that doesn't actually air until after black friday but yeah black friday man by the time black Black Friday rolls around, I don't even, is there even things to look out for besides massonomics? You got to save a little something. You got to, like, where's the joy of Black Friday? Yeah, I'm waiting for something good, but I don't think there is.

I think it's all been announced and done. The way that the Pilgrims laid out Black Friday all those years ago. The way they intended it. I think they did they leave England for that exact reason? They were scooting Black Friday up way too much

and they had the defect for those reasons. That's right. That's also why the founding fathers form, you know, they seceded eventually there because of the Black Friday issues. Yeah, it was a whole month. But it's called Black Friday. But yet it's all November long.

This is an issue. This is not December to remember sales event. That's next month. The name of the event is a day day but yet this is so many days long also it's black friday what is saturday saturday something isn't it small business saturday is that what yeah that's what saturday was right cyber monday why does sunday not get a day sunday's a day jesus it's still jesus why does sunday not have it all they haven't abandoned all their Cyber Monday. Why does Sunday not get a day? Sunday's a day of rest. Jesus. Jesus.

Why does Sunday not get a day? They haven't abandoned all their Christian roots. Sunday still is a day of rest. Even in the chaos of Black Friday. Thank you, Lord, for leaving that one day safe. No rest for us, though. I should say no rest for Tanner. You're going to be a packing machine. He's going to be busy.

I've been real busy, like other hobbies and stuff catching me up and i've my wife we're just even talking to my my wife and i were talking about this weekend's itinerary of events we got all this different family things and she even and i said oh yeah we could do this and this and she's like aren't you gonna be really busy i'm like oh yeah fuck i'm gonna be really fucking busy it's like i actually completely forgot of how busy i'm gonna be i'm like damn it that's right it's totally sneaking up on me too like i have uh uh you know peek behind the curtain here i have a lot of black friday work that has to happen tomorrow and i know it'll get done but that's basically i'm gonna be spending like eight

hours straight just getting all the Black Friday marketing stuff photos products emails all of that ready tomorrow which is hilarious because I've helped so many other companies do this over the past month and now the most important one our own company I'm doing tomorrow basically the day before part of that though because we kind of have the formula we do yes I know exactly what we need to do so it does make it easier. And you don't need to run things by. Tomorrow will be a crunch day for sure. There's going to be a lot going on.

Yeah, when you own a cyber business or even a small business or a retail business of mostly any kind, Thanksgiving is a weird uh weird holiday weekend because it's like your most important weekend of the year for your business but also like it is like an important family holiday so it's really weird in that you know don't you think like it's it is like an odd uh there's a there's like no i have to check my i know it's friday the day after thanksgiving and uh we're doing something else but i need to check my phone yeah i need to know what's Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, and we're doing something else, but I need to check my phone. I need to know what's going on here. If something breaks on our website, it could cost us thousands of dollars.

Yes, that would be very, very bad. Yeah, thankfully that hasn't been the case, and I don't think this year will be any different. I hope not. No, right, right. But it is just an odd dynamic there with this particular holiday. It is. That being said, it is a hugely important holiday for us, so we would love for any of you to support and purchase anything.

We talked about their new drop items. We're also going to have $12 tees. Yeah, $12 tees in there. Yeah, so maybe about 10 different tees are all only be 10 bucks a piece while supplies last and the free koozie and sticker pack with every order while supplies last and then all the new items we talked about i love this strong and silly koozie this koozie is both strong and silly itself it is much like all of us strong and silly this these people at Mastonomics, they just get me, I feel like. They're on to something there.

They get me, strong and silly. That's just like if I was to put a couple things that could pertain to me on a merchandise, these could be two of those things. One and two right there, strong and silly. Those definitely could be. Sports update, I've still been playing noon ball. Yeah, how's that going? I played noon ball today.

It's really fun. Noon ball is one of my new new passions i'm definitely a noon ball guy i go i'm i've been hitting uh once or twice a week so i'd say like 1.5 times per week i are you ever lifting on the same day as noon ball or are those not yeah i do those on my off lifting days and that's the only reason i don't do moon moon ball more is because it falls on my lifting time slot. Oh, do guys actually play every single day? Yes. Oh, they do.

Yes, there's actually debate whether there's going to be a game tomorrow and the day before Thanksgiving. Some days there'll be 15 people and some days there'll be six. So if it's not five on five, it's a half court game. Yeah.

And there's pros and cons to both. I like the exercise. So the full court's kind of nice, but. It's like your court vision is enhancing by the day. It is. Is it actually? It absolutely is. That's my strong, my, that's my strongest. That's what I'm best at is probably actually they, they, they, that's my strongest that's what I'm best at

is probably actually that's what I'm best at and it is getting better and I see the game pretty well if I was to toot my own horn what I'm not good at is I have not magically become a better shooter over the years I know my range it didn't just improve in the last month

I guess I made a couple threes today but it's not what I do I only shoot outside shots if I am wide open and where it's like well it's embarrassing if I don't take this shot that's uh the only time I take those shots but uh I haven't become a better shooter I haven't really become a significantly better ball handler if I'm pressured highly on the ball I could get lucky or i could struggle you know like that's not a strong suit of mine absolutely but uh rebounding i whip almost all their asses in rebounding yeah okay i am just a far better obviously you're all i'm but i have not played a day when i'm not the

best rebounder and so obviously you're the strongest person there as far as height goes how many people there are taller than you there's uh some days there might be like two people my height you know that are like six two to six four there's a couple guys around that might be like six five six six but they're not you know it's usually on average i'm the second tallest guy there you know so that helps so i'm definitely one of the taller ones and i'm always the biggest guy, you know, and I'm always the most willing to push people around. Yeah. I like to use that a little bit. And it's like, it's really easy because a lot of them are not, uh, physically. Yeah. It's just, they're not physical, right. They know they're just not physical. And, lot of people, even the younger guys,

a lot of them get out of shape too, and then they just dog it. And then an out-of-shape person is very easy to box out and stuff like that. So I'm saying my positives. I want to also emphasize my negatives. Still a very not good shooter. I shoot a decent percentage because I choose to shoot high percentage shots and then I am not a good ball handler still yeah those are the tough ones though but it is fun a lot of fun on noon ball but my bigger thing is I'm I'm pretty much uh what do I say I'm kind of a

record guy I'm kind of a noon ball guy now I'm kind of a mechanic guy oh yeah I'm kind of a record guy. I'm kind of a noon ball guy. Now I'm kind of a mechanic guy. Oh yeah. I'm kind of a mechanic guy. Have we ever talked about on the podcast that you're a new truck guy too? And when we say truck guy, we didn't, I don't think we have, I forget because we talked about it in person so much, right? That I don't think we brought it up here.

You're a new old truck owner. Yeah. I'm a big, a vintage, a vintage truck guy. Actually. It's my wife's, it's my wife's it's my wife's pickup we got a uh 1969 chevy c10 it's a half ton two-wheel drive pickup uh moderately

restored you know it's not a barrett jackson auction pickup but it's a fairly nice pickup for any any gear heads out there that you things you might want to know well it's the c10 so it's a fairly nice pickup for any any gear heads out there that you things you might want to know well it's the c-ton so it's a half half ton two-wheel drive it's the long box and uh it's got a uh 350 small block chevy in it which is a pretty well liked uh well liked v8 in those uh chevys right yeah it's got an automatic 700R four-speed. It's got the overdrive automatic in it. And what else do people want to know? It's got a

I don't know. That's kind of the main things that I think people are curious about. But I feel like those are the important specs that you mentioned. What's the car where it starts with an E Edelbrock like four something. I don't know much about the car but i actually haven't paid attention to that to tell you the honest to god truth uh but so we really

like the pickup it's a 1969 which is nice uh one of my favorite things is we're able to get historic plates so we actually have 1969 south dakota plates on it you know you can either get the orange and this is a concept i don't understand they're not yeah and I think all states probably have historic plates for cars that are a certain age that you go by at the actual place but these are actual plates from 1969 we bought them on eBay they're 1969 you as long as they're the model the year of your vehicle and it's over like 30 years old whatever it is you can choose to have year-specific plates. As long as they meet their criteria of not being a number someone else has in a rotation and they have to be nice quality.

They can't be rusted out. You have to take pictures and present them to them and all that stuff. So, yeah, they're actually 1969 plates, and they have a really cool stamped Mount Rushmore into the plates and stuff. So they look really cool on stamped mount rushmore into the plates and stuff so they they look they look really cool on the pickup i think and why i say i'm kind of a mechanic this is mostly you know this is not the original 350 that's in it's not the original transmission it was a manual it's my wife's pickup it was automatic transmission was a requirement you know in my

this is kind of exactly fit into what i wanted you know it's 69 to 72 is the front end the grill that i really like on those i like the long box i like the c10 i don't want four wheel drive i like the half ton i don't need it to be bigger than that but i would have chose a manual transmission probably but she wanted automatic so i'm like i can make that, that concession on that without a problem. Um, but I already had issues and I, I say this, I'm not, not out of frustration, just out of like, I knew that this was going to, this is part, part of the charm, I suppose, of owning this is like, you have to maintain it, you know, right. Tinkering with it. And this is not a vehicle that

is essential to our daily travel. So, you know, it sits in with it and this is not a vehicle that is essential to our daily travel so you know it sits in our third stall now we made some room and it's in there but uh my wife was out doing errands with it and she pulled over and called me and shut it off right away because it was smoking from underneath the dash somewhere well she called me in a panic almost uh like oh it's smoking and i like, well, what's smoking? What kind of smoke? And what is it? What is it?

And she was trying to explain it. I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I got to come. I got to just come check it out. So I was like, just pull over, wait there, I'll be there. And it was, you could, the second I opened the door, you can smell it's very like electrical, you know, something. It wasn't like, there wasn't smoke billowing out from the engine. engine it's not like it was which would have been not ideal to see that

right it was something from inside the cab so i'm like i just got to see what's going on so i just turned it on quick immediately some wiring presumably underneath underneath is smoking and melting and stuff so i shut it off right away and got it home. And over the last week I've been, I bought every, I bought like the 1969 Chevrolet shop manual. So I've got the manual that the mechanics look at. I've got a, I bought a,

a printed out the wiring schematic for this pickup. I like to picture that the wiring schematic for that pickup is like four wires. Just like, that's what you would think. And by no means is this compared to a new vehicle but you honestly would if i showed you this you'd be like what the fuck is that yeah how does this like there is so many yes you would say how does that

have so many wires there is and there again i not compared to a newer vehicle of course because it has so many less things. But that's the shocking part. How does it have so many wires with so few electronics in it? There is so many wires. And I'm not a mechanic by any means. I like to think that I'm capable of doing things. But auto mechanic is not something I've ever really, you know, I've never really delved into that to any level. Like I don't even, I, you know,

I don't change the oil in my own vehicles anymore. I don't think a lot of people do that. I could. Yeah. But I do in this, like I already did like this vehicle. That's my thing now that, uh, I've kind of decided I'm like, no, I want to know how to do everything on this thing. I'm like anything we do. So I actually trouble shot and this is no awesome feat but me not doing a lot of mechanic work this took me some work i troubleshot this figured out it was wiring behind the ignition you know the actual key the ignition that it goes to there's about nine why just the ignition in

this there's nine wires that go into that. So I have to disassemble the ignition, take it apart, take apart the pigtail, which is what all the wires actually go into. And I find two wires basically melted together on this. And I don't know right away if it's because there's a short somewhere else in the circuit that caused this to melt here or if the wires actually like touched right at this ignition or if there's a problem with the actual do cars that old do they have fuses is that a thing back then yeah that like this has glass tube fuses yeah you know

newer cars have the pull two prong fuses and some people retrofit these to have this but this has the original fuse box so it's actually glass tube fuses you know people retrofit these to have this but this has the original fuse box so it's actually glass tube fuses you know they're about that long and they're either like 10 15 20 and you pull those but uh did not pop a fuse so it must have you know it is some of these wires do go to through the fuse box but it did not pop a fuse in this case but so i had to take the ignition apart and you know trait trace to see what all the wires and i got the schematic and all that stuff figured out i eventually just had to buy a new pigtail and basically cut the old wires splice it to this new pigtail buy a new ignition pigtail

just the local auto parts store yeah i had to order it you know and same with the ignition itself i had to order both of them and what what did those parts cost? Nothing. Well, I mean, not nothing, but like the pigtail was $15 and the ignition was $35. See, that's, I never know. Is it, you know, old GM stuff? Is it just like, well, no, that, yeah, that costs nothing. Or is it now that it's so old that now it's expensive again? That's why I wasn't sure there. No, I think most of it's pretty reasonable. Like it's so old that now it's expensive again that's why i wasn't sure there no i think most of it's pretty reasonable like it's you know it's re-pop but you know it's reproduction stuff so some people get a boner over not you know things being original and i don't care about that i just you know i i uh but it's the the parts are not expensive the the time for me is a lot because i don't know almost nothing do i just just know what I'm doing? I have to learn everything that I do.

Like, even if I'm going to, if I'm going to solder wires, I don't just know. I'm not just like, Oh yeah, I solder wires all the time. Let me like,

uh, just plug it in and let's go. Like everything. I have to learn how to do it. You know? And what I would say, nothing's most of the stuff I don't think is that hard, but you just don't know how to do it's

not almost zero it's like you're second guessing yourself yeah my 2013 pickup i couldn't do shit on it like i literally like i opened the hood and i'm like i don't can't even tell you what most of i can't identify most of what this is and like on the 69 chevy i can along with the help of a reference be like okay I can kind of almost walk you through almost exactly what everything is because you can see it. And then if I don't know, you can kind of look it up and be like, okay, that makes sense. And I see where the lines go for that. And, you know, you just, you just trace everything. There's not, you open it up. You're like, Oh, it seems really empty in here. You just can see every part.

Why did they build so much extra room in here? Right. Right'm kind of a mechanic i'm a uh a really shitty one but kind of a mechanic guy now so anyways i fixed that ignition got it all put together works great and you're and i only got like really pissed a couple of times in the process which is good for me was this so was this process as far as the actual time you spent working on the truck was this many many hours or like how are we talking here i mean i it was a few hours working on it but i spent way more time just yeah look at stuff up get or like yeah just figuring out what i even should be what what do i think is you know i gotta like identify the problem here.

And that took a while. And then once I thought I knew what it was, and then it's like, is that really the problem? Where do these wires go? What do you fix in this situation? You know, and just like, it was way more time trying to figure out, you know, like not actually like working. Diagnosing what was going on.

Right, right. But if someone's, your experience experience on that you probably know like right away yes like you spend you would have the whole process would have taken one tenth the time for an experienced uh even in just an experienced at home mechanic which i am not yeah yeah that's cool though yeah okay i know we my mechanic skills have just gone... They're so damn low. Would you say they're growing exponentially? They're growing exponentially because it's just really low-hanging fruit for me right now.

You're starting from one. Right, right, right. Right, it's really low-hanging fruit. And we did talk about this. You said as far as projects planned, really the only thing you had planned for it was sound system, maybe? That's a big thing.

So things that don't work in it. Yeah, the radio. It's got the original radio. It's not working. working it's one of those i'm just really finding out a lot of stuff is wiring you know there's so much wire wiring heavy involved in this uh these projects it's just you have to know that almost to do anything um which is probably a very very apparent statement for anyone that knows shit about this. But for me, it's kind of a revelation because I just hadn't thought about it in that way so much. I wouldn't have either.

I wouldn't have either. I just feel like, because there's not power windows or power locks or anything. So it's like, well, what's all this electricity needed for? Right. So, yeah, just minor things. Like I'm replacing little parts that just are kind of, kind of like, like rear view mirror, the original rear view mirror, and it was just kind of shitty and just replacing little odds and then things like that. The heater here, here's one that's going to definitely be some trouble shooting for me. You know, this is not, this one doesn't have AC. That was an option. You could get it, doesn't it? But it's, it's got a heater of course. And,

but it's got a heater, of course, and it's not pumping out the hot air, so it could be a thermostat could be bad. That's one of the things. The actual lines, because it's just the engine, the water, the antifreeze, the coolant, that pumps through basically the heater box, and those lines get really plugged sometimes so it might not be going through there right or something there's like or i don't know maybe it's i don't really know on that i haven't looked into it but there even just that i'm like well this could be like five different things for my little bit of uh and if you're experienced at all you can probably narrow those down right so fast you'd be like right and i just

don't have and and all this stuff I could have someone else do it too. But my thing is I kind of like doing it. And then I just know there's only so many things that can go wrong on it. And if I've done it once, then the next time I'm like, oh, I know how to do that. You know, like I just want to know how to do that. So if it comes up again. Yeah. And I do think there again,

that's part of the charm of owning something like this. I think. Especially something that is relatively accessible like that, where it's not. Oh, this was my pickup. Now I wouldn't be doing, you know,

I'd be like, I can't even fucking figure out how to get the dash apart. I can't even get to those pieces. And it's like, oh, I did this wrong. And I actually had caused more damage than it was originally had in the first place. Yes.

I was a satisfying feeling when I put it all back together. I turned the key for the first time, and I'm like, fucking works. Am I a mechanic now? That's what I told him. I was like, that's been kind of the running joke in the house with Mary and I. It's just like, yeah, I'm like a mechanic now. I can just fix anything, which is a giant joke because of course that's not but it's funny because there used to be these tropes these stereotypes these things way back in the day

of like I feel like you'd see it on 90s tv shows of just oh just the dad working on his car out in the garage and that is slowly just dying out more and more like that doesn't really you can't you can't know because exactly you can't if you don't doesn't really exist. Well, you can't, even though. Exactly, you can't. If you don't have this historic vehicle that you drive, you can't do that. But that used to be such a thing, and they don't even write shows with that being a thing anymore. Right.

You think back to old school Will Ferrell's characters, constantly working on, what do you have, a Trans Am or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Constantly working on it. Even that's not even a thing anymore. kind of get uh like the i get the appeal of it too i mean it is fun it is there is something about sitting you know we have a nice heated garage and some luxury there you know that it makes it nice but there is something i spent a couple fairly long nights on that i'm like well this is kind of fun you know i like just just messing with it is kind of fun i get i get where someone can go down that rabbit hole as a

pretty like an intriguing hobby there again i don't want to i can't emphasize enough that i still don't have any fucking clue what i'm doing but it is kind of fun i don't want to make i don't want to make it make myself sound any cooler than I am not here because I am not cool in any way about this, but it is fun, I think, for my little bit. Six months from now, you're going to come on the podcast and you'll have a Chevy hat on. I've watched so many YouTube videos about how-to

and people doing different stuff, and I go down this rabbit hole, and eventually I'm like, I think I could like, I'll go through phases where I'm like, yeah, I can do that. I can do that. I'll be like, oh, that looks really tough. I don't really know how you do that.

And I've watched so many videos and got to full crate engine. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, I think I could do that. And I actually do. Like, I mean, it would, you know, I could take an engine out. I could put a new one in. That's what I can. And on this, I'll watch the, like, I mean, it would, you know. I could take an engine out. I could put a new one in. That's what I can.

And on this, I'll watch the, like, I'll watch a few videos of it. I'm like, I kind of get what's going on here. And, like, once you start to know what all the individual parts are, you know, it's just like, well, yeah, it's just in that. And I want to stress again, in a vehicle like this. Not in anything like almost any newer like almost any high performance modern sports car and there again when when i say that's maybe something i could do they do it in like a day two experts do it in a day i'm talking about like i got nothing but time to do this this could be a winter project where i have it apart for like five months yeah call in a guy a time or two

that would be what i do you know i'm lucky to have some references, you know, some people that I'm like, yeah, come over, check it out, see what you think I should, if this is what I should be doing the next few steps and then have them come back, you know, a couple of weeks later and be like, now what do you think? Check my work for me. Double check this for me. That's what it would be like. Double check my month worth of work. You can do it in probably 10 minutes if you know what you're doing. Yes, exactly. So that's how I am kind of approaching that.

So I probably talked about it way too long, but that's kind of my thing I'm excited about lately. Yeah, you're just a big truck guy now. Really big truck guy. Really big truck guy. I've had this one that I've done like one or two projects on. That's where it starts. It's got to start somewhere.

It sounds pretty sweet though. It's definitely a fun, it's fun to drive around in, I would say. Yeah. Does it make a little noise? It makes a little noise. It's pretty well, it's got a dual exhaust and, you know, it's fairly not a lot of muffler action underneath of that thing. So it's not obnoxiously loud or anything like that, but it sounds, it does sound really good. Yeah. That's fairly not a lot of muffler action underneath of that thing. So it's not obnoxiously loud or anything like that,

but it does sound really good. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so I'm kind of a hot, rotting guy. You know, I go around. Yeah, just wait until 530 to drive through the neighborhood. Oh, no joke. It would be a hell of a shitty whipper. Oh, yeah.

Two-wheel drive. No weight in the back, yeah. No, we could. You can just let that thing go. What I'd like to do is when we get the ODI Serena, actually Big Alec mentioned this. He's like, man, you should get in there and just whip some serious shitties.

I'm like, that would be fun. You could tear it up. Better not do it because I don't want to suffer the consequences and we might want to be in there again for something, but that would be cool. Something to think about. What did you, was this OLED follow-up? Oh, this is a tv follow-up i just gotta say so as far i mean this isn't exciting as a truck i'll get out in front of this right now but i got i finally got my new have you become

a tv repairman is that no i've not become a tv mechanic uh my tv in fact i'm so not a tv repairman that the second this thing breaks i just go right to costco and say you take this this is not my problem one of the benefits of costco you know uh but man i just gotta say okay so the tv i got as far as tvs go it is considered a mid-range tv you know you can spend remind me it wasn't oled or it's not oled i did not get oled because i wanted to go 75 inches the very cheapest 75 inch oled i could find was like 18 or 1900 and i just in my head i was not quite ready to go there yet so i went with a sony i believe is the sony x90l i believe is what it was 75 inch and yeah as far as tvs go this is a mid-range tv i i will say my whole life i've only bought budget tvs i'd say tvs $700 for the most part, cheap TVs,

which are fine. I mean, even cheap TVs now are pretty damn good compared to what I think the first TV I bought when I was in college. And I've always been happy with that. Never had a problem with it, but I thought, okay, you know what? I'll splurge on this one a little bit. And still, it was not that much money in the scheme of things but getting this thing hooked up i really do honestly feel like i'm kind of watching tv for the first time in my life man it is so it feels way like you have a different you have another tv then in your house like that's not this new yeah yeah i got one i got one upstairs like it's like in comparison to those two can you tell me and the difference is people always say like well what's the difference

the difference really like yeah okay the colors are better color i mean as tvs get better they have a broader range of colors more accurate colors things like that but really the thing that really takes you back is is the hdr like the the rain the high dynamic range the way it can display the darkest darks and the brightest brights. Like we were the first thing we watched, basically we were firing up. It was like a TV show or a movie or something. And in the beginning, there's these spotlights going by in the dark room. When the, when the spotlight goes across, you almost go, ah, like it almost makes you go like, it feels like a spotlight is actually like going by. It is shocking. So then just out of like, okay, what, what's really,

cause I was not expecting that at all. I'm like, what's really going on here? Even like YouTube is not, you know, it's the video is so compressed. It's not, you know, the highest quality, but even if on an HDR TV, you go to YouTube and you go to like, if you type in HDR videos and you go to some of this stuff, that specifically is in 4K or some of it's even more,

but 4K and it is shot with hdr in mind there are scenes where you think that looks like that is coming out of the screen right now that actually looks like it's in real life someone has the bright light shining on it so this is uh this is really uh like even my wife was like man this is really cool we got to start watching movies down here and for the first time in my life i'm like i feel like i need to be a movie guy all of a sudden there's yeah there's ground i gotta cover here so being a tv guy could subsequently make you a movie guy i think so for sure i've uh well movies is probably what takes better advantage of it than it is especially because then you start looking like oh okay if i really want to take full advantage of this i

gotta buy a blu-ray player but not just any blu-ray but i gotta get just any Blu-ray player. I got to get a good Blu-ray player. And it's like, I got to get 4K Blu-rays now. Oh, the Oppenheimer one just came out and said, look at this. Because Blu-ray is always going to be better than something streamed across. Yes, yeah, the bit rate. Yeah, just the amount of data they can move through it

is so much more on a physical disc. But then I'm like, wait, do I really want to go this rabbit hole of buying all of this shit? Because I also don't like doing that that much either so right um uh to be determined then you gotta have then you get can get your dvd collection case didn't we didn't we leave that in the early 2000s having to buy all the dvds so i'm not sure if i'll go down that your crown achievement of your house is your oh yeah and if i had those they would be in the closet i don't want to have a thousand dvds sitting out but

uh yeah i'm not sure if I'll go down that road yet, but as of right now, I am thoroughly impressed. I even had to go back and watch our most recent Massanomics video, the best $100 ever spent. Yeah, how did that look? I'm like, this looks so damn good on here. It looks even better than it looks on my computer when I edit it, which makes sense, the computer monitor.

While it is not a cheap monitor, it is significantly cheaper than what that tv was and aren't aren't computer some aren't computer monitors really good like well gaming aren't computer monitors usually better than televisions well it depends because a lot of especially with gaming and see i don't really game actually this is another thing i want like isn't it a speed thing so it's a response time so there's a response time input leg and then refresh rates and so a lot of monitors because they're so much smaller have better response times you know things like that this tv though being that it is slightly above the cheapest ones yeah it does it is as you can look up like this site it's like ratings.com and they're kind of the de facto TV review company now.

And so they give you all the data on all these different things. And as far as video gaming go, this is as good as almost any TV you can get for the video gaming side of things. So I don't know. Might start playing some more games here again, see how that goes, until I realize I'm busy with life again.

And then when can I play this game? Ryan always likes to ask me, he was here this past week. He's like, oh, so you've been gaming lately? I'm like, since we moved to Sioux Falls a year ago, I've turned my Xbox on twice. There was like a two-day stretch where I felt like I was bored and had nothing going on.

Turned it on two nights in a row, never again. So yeah, in the last 365 days, I've gamed twice for about an hour each time. Well, we could, we come Christmas time we might become an Xbox household we might have a modern gaming system again so yeah that's what I could get some game that you have and never log on and play it with you I don't play this thing I don't play online games so right that's uh I have buddies that are always playing online games that I could hop on with any time but that's also not my idea of fun is it not like like my gaming lately is or when i bought my

xbox consisted of only racing games and then now i want to play there's this one game called elden ring and that's more of an offline uh game but that's i think i might fire that one up and give it a go we'll see here okay um i think we get i think we got that the xbox you not the less significant the digital one yeah the series like yeah that's yes yes yes that i think that's what we have yeah um or or maybe we'll see what santa does yes it says i actually really want to plug this into the tv and be like, does this make video games even that much crazier too? Because probably half of the fun is just, it looks so damn good.

Especially in like a racing simulator game. Like that's part of the cool part. It's just like, how real does this look? You know, it starts to do that. And just all the things, just the scenes you're like, wow,

this stuff looks really awesome. But that is for TV shows and movies. I feel like I've just missed out on an entire world of this stuff over the last, but also it has changed a lot in the last 10 years, but I do feel like I have missed out on a lot lately knowing I've been sitting on the sidelines with all this crazy shit going on

that I haven't been aware of. Well, with everything going on. Did you think, would there be any sweet Black Friday deals? Should you have waited for Black Friday? Well, this was technically a Black Friday deal, again, because they go on and on. So the TV was, and I don't know, both Best Buy and Costco.

So the TV was $1,500. Both of them had it listed at $2,000, marked down to $1,500. And I don't know if that was like, oh, retail says $2,000, and it's not ever actually $2,000. But they both did say $500 off. Buy it from Costco. You get, what, retail says two grand and it's not ever actually 2,000, but they both did say 500 bucks off. Buy it from Costco. You get, what, a three-year warranty at Costco

and then they add on two more additional years. Sony comes with like 15 movie credits, two years of their streaming service, so you get some movies in there too. So, you know, it sweetens the pot a little bit. Nothing crazy though.

You almost can't afford not to. I started crunching the numbers. i got pen to paper and i really realized that i would be an idiot like honey we literally cannot afford to go another day without buying you know a blu-ray could cost 30 15 of those i mean that is like 450 bucks technically that they just gave us their streaming service i don't even know they're essentially paying us to have this this brand new television kind of free and paid for we just got to go pick it up it'd be like well it's right here it's all in black and white i put the pen to paper on this one it is we are actually insane to not do this just like you'd be insane not to sign up for

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