Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 410: Shane Haller

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Big Shane Haller joins us for this one to discuss totaling 2,347 pounds in sleeves, being a cat dad, and what it’s like being the world’s tallest powerlifter (6’3”). Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Swiss Link Use code MASS to save 15%! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Howdy everyone, we're here for episode 410 of the Massanomics podcast. If you don't know by now, we are the lifting podcast about nothing. The lifting podcast about nothing about stained about chicken bakes about cool beans about being strong being silly and about those twins you know it's always about those twins my name's tanner and my name's tommy and i love making quarterbacks cry being one of the guys and a big fridge full of beer.

With the twins. Oh, there it is. Hit them with it. You know me, I just love being one of the guys. Nothing more than that. Just a real guy's guy. Making quarterbacks cry. Quarterbacks eating dirt. And a big fridge full of beer.

Wouldn't that be funny if the fridge did that part? The football player? Or did he? You'll have to watch the commercial to find out for sure. The fridge Perry. Yeah. I do. I am sad to say, though, that that does conclude the entire lyrics of all of the twin songs

that took us through every verse from the last what six seven weeks eight weeks encore eight more weeks you gotta give the people what they want i'll say this those writers hated quarterbacks didn't they yep they did not like quarterbacks in the early 2000s, they were treated a little different than they're treated today. Just making them eat dirt. Love it when they eat dirt. Just taking it to them.

Now you've got to protect them a little more. You've got to baby them a little bit. Yeah, we really gave the quarterbacks the business back. You know what would be the ultimate now, Tanner? What would really feel like we were in on something is if this is Super Bowl weekend here. This is coming out just after the Super Bowl. Oh, we had to do Super Bowl picks too.

If there was somehow a return to this commercial, this Super Bowl weekend. Now, wouldn't it really feel like we were in on something there? That would be, they should bring back the twins. That would blow people's minds. If that commercial came on, people would be, they should bring back the twins. That would blow people's minds. If that commercial came on, people would just, that would be the most talked about commercial of the entire Super Bowl, hands down.

They wouldn't even have to do anything different. Just rerun the square, because it's from back in the day, rerun the square, shitty looking, grainy commercial. Like pull it, actually do this, pull it right off of YouTube. Just pull the YouTube one off. Don't even make it look good. Put it on there and people will be like, what did i just watch what was that that's i think that's the thing like just straight up what i actually don't know why this isn't a thing just bring back

like what you said not even uh do it not remake it but just straight up play an old ass people want to uh it was popular to get after bud light for being this liberal beer and to boycott them. Coors Light could take it to the other extreme and bring back the twins and be like, no, this is just the most in-your-face macho man in like a 90 cents beer commercial, and it would be hilarious. It would be amazing.

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We're going to get Big Shane on here to do a fun little guest interview after a little bit. What do we want to do first, Tommy? Is there anything that's really, do we need to do a can first? Or or should we do because it is fresh on people's minds should we get our super bowl picks out of the way right now oh yeah because it would have just happened by the time people are hearing this yeah yeah let's do our super super bowl picks so people can know so the super bowl is obviously the ravens and the lions right yes yeah that's i wish. I wish it was. Now, what do we got? The 49ers, of course, for the eighth time. And then the Chiefs for the eighth time, tenth time, twentieth time. Right.

Who is it? I just want to see some quarterbacks eat dirt. That's all I want. That's all I want. Maybe that's some twins. Some pom-poms and short skirts that's all a guy wants yeah uh man i'm i'm i honestly don't even really care about this one much at all i really don't imagine which team winning would make me any bit i'm trying that's what i was just thinking like what would make me less sad to see one win yeah i don't know part of me is getting tired of patrick mahomes so i'd want

the i'd want the 40 maybe because brock purdy is people think of him as this right shitty quarterback under maybe he's the underdog of the whole thing maybe that's why i want maybe that's why i want the niners to win i probably lean towards the niners myself for the same reasons honestly i don't really have an original thought on that that you didn't mention so i would just say the same and i don't know i guess everyone's all fired up about the taylor swift thing i think it again makes it interesting i'm curious to see what it blows my mind that people actually care about that. Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's. I guess I don't care about who wins, though.

I just don't care. I don't know. Yeah, I don't really care either. I actually do is the most generic thing. I hope it's at least a decent game. You know? Yeah. I just want the guys to have fun.

That's all I want. And maybe one or two quarterbacks to eat some dirt. That's all I want to see. Maybe the real Super Bowl was the quarterbacks that ate dirt along the way. Every one that ate a lot of dirt eating all the way up to here. They ate all the dirt so that we could play this game. And here we are. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, how crazy is it that we get done with those leading into the Super Bowl, though? Such a football-themed song. And it just ends at the super bowl end of an era yeah it is they gotta have some never mentioned there's got to be some unreleased tapes somewhere sitting around of commercials that never wins of the twins that never made it out that ended on the cutting room floor yeah i should i actually did did i tell you i read an article about the guys that wrote the ad and wrote the song i should i read it too did you we should send him a dm reach out to those guys see if we think someone posted it in the discord did they yeah because the guys were driving a bit

like they're basically driving in their car on the way to a thing they're like hey what if uh and it's based on a country song because there's some country song that was, I like this. Oh, okay. I thought maybe you would know. I love. Yeah. Yeah. I did. Yeah, it was good. I was an, it was an interesting article.

I liked it. Yeah, it was. Um, let's now, should we dive into it? Yeah, let's do it. I'm curious. Do it. So I've got, do you, I have the notes. I don't think you have the note on this one.

Okay, good. I was going to say, I don't have any context to this at all. Okay. Big Tanner and Big Tommy. I'm sorry if this isn't up your flavor alley, but you'll see why we had to send it. Brewed in Arizona. Well, wait a second.

I don't know if I'll read the rest of this yet. We better drink it first. So it's from Big Toby down in Arizona, Brood in Arizona. Did you put this in the bubble wrap with the koozie on it? I did. I think it came in bubble wrap, and I think I put that on there just to, like, have a shroud of mystery around. No, I put that koozie on it just so we couldn't obviously see the name of it. So I've never

looked at this. So is this a twist off? I thought it was a pry off. Do you got a bottle opener? I've got one. Yeah, I do. Did you pass me one? Yeah, here you go. I'll wait for you until you're ready for the

plunge. Okay. Here we go. Oh. I'll wait for you until you're ready for the plunge. Okay. Here we go. Oh. It's a brewski, huh? Yeah, it's something. Is it like a stout or something? Maybe a little slightly darker?

Maybe? Yeah. darker maybe yeah well i'm gonna say uh based on i don't know this to be true but i want do you think it's like coffee adjacent in any way well that's what makes me think it's a stout of some kind because it has that yeah like slight dark roast taste to it but it's not very overpowering it's fairly light still i like it actually this is a good i think it's good and refreshing it kind of reminds me of like a like a shiner bach or a fat tire sort yeah i like shiner bach i like fat tire too actually that's and i like this i guess i guess maybe those are just beers that i like maybe that's what i like and i don't even know that

i guess that's what i'm finding it's just just taking you all these years to actually pin it down. Oh, what do you give at first before we even? For this type of beer, I mean, I find this totally refreshing. So this is a 3.5, 4 for me all day. Yeah, it's a 3.5, I think, for sure. Should we check it out and see what it is here? Yeah, let's see. Yeah.

Cool Beans, KU. And cool with the U. TheU with an umlaut. The U has the umlaut. Yes, K-U umlaut, L-B-E-A-N-S. Or H-L-B-E-A-N-S. Big Toby in Arizona. Vanilla coffee porter. Yeah.

Tall, dark, handsome, just like us. Speaking my language. Yeah, he said brewed in arizona cool beans gets at least four jds from big dan and myself so big dan fellow supporting member i could i mean i think four is well he's they're saying it's four on their scale i think four is a completely reasonable rating oh i 100 understand yeah i get that uh this is good vanilla coffeeilla Coffee Porter, also Tanner of note, 8.2%. So a little alcohol in this guy. We partying tonight. Hey.

Actually, that reminds me. I haven't told you this. We're going to have to do some major podcasting in like a week or two here because I'm actually going to be going down to Arizona the week before the Arnold. You know, if that wasn't busy enough, I figured, oh, we'll just put a vacation in front of the Arnold to really add to my stress levels of being gone. I was going to go to Florida next week, but my family's still going to go,

but I think I'm going to stay home. So I'm going to sit out this particular rendezvous. Get some quality me time, huh? I'm going to hopefully get some quality mechanic time on 69 C10. Did you see that post I sent you? There's another guy in town. Oh, yeah. Who is that?

That's our old buddy. Do you know Eric Bacon? Not related to Kevin Bacon. Yeah, but he's probably not separated by more than seven years. Probably not. Good guy. I've done work for him before. He knows a lot about cars. He has his own Jerry's Dent Repair. He runs Jerry's Dent not separated by more than seven. Probably not. Good guy. I've done work for him before. He knows a lot about cars.

He has his own Jerry's Dent Repair. He runs Jerry's Dent Repair. Oh, okay. Judging by his page as browsing through it, I assume this guy knows far more about vehicles than I do based on his ground-up complete restoration. Remember when I had my boat? Remember?

Yeah. He would always come out on my boat with me. We'd always go wakeboarding together. Really nice guy, though. He would be the one to talk to you if you ever need a local guy. I could tell just by even looking that he definitely had some cool-looking stuff going on there that intrigued me for sure. And it seemed like he definitely knew his shit way more than me. I think he told me, because he's like the body work guy.

He knows all that. I think he said his dad does a lot of the heavy mechanic stuff in there, but I'm sure he... But yeah, they're putting in engines and taking out engines. Yeah, they're down to the frame. Yeah.

I'm like, I didn't even know this was a C10. There was nothing to look at hardly in some of the pictures. And then I saw the hashtag and i'm like tanner right tanner would like this yeah i was glad i approved i spent a decent bit of time looking through his page i'm like oh yeah and i'm like i was like how many vehicles does this guy have and then i got to the assumption that he probably doesn't keep a lot of you know these yeah he's got a shop or yeah right right uh he had cool stuff i have done a lot of mechanic projects but that is what i'm hoping to next week i'll really be able to tear into some stuff that i haven't had the time so

is this is this um quality of life things or is this actually fixing things all of the above honestly like a lot of it's just like fixing things that are okay that that you could have been band-aid it yeah that you could live with but like making it more um reliable is like kind of what you don't have to put a quart of oil in it every day right that is kind of the sort of sort of the sort of the thing uh like i've um and some of it is just cosmetic just making certain things look cooler like under the hood is looking a lot cooler than it had before. There's some shiny stuff and some cleaned up stuff. Yeah, I've been like changed valve covers to some kind of cool valve covers,

changed the air cleaner to a cool air cleaner. Just flames and skulls on everything, right? Yeah, flames and skulls on everything. I changed heater hoses to some cool stainless steel hoses. What were they before? Changed heater hoses to some cool stainless steel hoses. What were they before? They're just like rubber hose, you know, black rubber hose that you would typically see there.

And those look kind of cool. You know, I changed, I put in a new fuel sending unit in the gas tank because the gas gauge didn't work. And now I like to have a working gas gauge. Yeah, it was like that was a happy moment. Like I'm like the gas gauge doesn't work. I diagnosed the problem, ordered the right parts, took the seat out, got to the gas tank, put the new fuel sending unit in, put it all back together, and it worked. And I'm like, I really fixed that thing. Then you went on Google and opened a business, Tanner's Restoration Garage.

Yes, and I'm like, I can do this one project for you you know i changed the ignition in it because that was bad the ignition switch was bad uh spark plug wires that's not i mean that's a very easy thing um i am uh i gotta fix i gotta run new park brake cables oh that's something i'm taking on because why and then uh the park brake is not currently hooked up the park the the park brake is a mechanical brake that hooks into the drum rear drum brakes and right now it doesn't go into there the cables do not they don't the cables that are there don't work i got a whole new cable system and uh is there is there like a known problem with that or do they just never hook them they get rusty and shitty and old after a while and like he had completely taken them out

of the drum break like they weren't hooked up to even anything because they weren't working that reminds me my first ever vehicle actually the first vehicle i ever drove was like a 90 god like a 90 i don't even know the year maybe like a 92 mercury capri it would have been okay it would have maybe been the mercury equivalent of a miata okay very tiny the backseat was non-existent it was a convertible though just a tiny little car i drove that car for maybe six months and then being in south dakota that's not a good winter car so my dad bought me it was an 88 suburban and it was a it was all brown had like three different tones of brown. That would have been a big-ass vehicle.

Oh, it was huge. Like, yeah, who's getting this as their first vehicle? And then on top of being a Suburban, it was a two-wheel drive one. Oh, wow. So it was, that thing just could not get around in the wintertime at all. But shortly after I had it, it was one of the first times it snowed. I thought I was stuck. I thought it couldn't go anywhere.

But the drum, the drum brake for the park, like something on the parking brake stuck, so the first times it snowed. I thought I was stuck. I thought it couldn't go anywhere, but the drum, the drum break for the park, like something on the parking brake stuck. So the rear wheels were locked up and I just, yeah, that'll happen. I came to a stop sign stopped and the vehicle just wouldn't go. I'm like, what is going on here?

And it was, yep. That's when the that's so that they just did the old fix of you just cut the cable. We don't need that parking brake. Right, right, right,

right. But I just, I don't need the parking brake either, but it's just nice to have things like know that they're working like i just that's exactly right i just want things to work i just i probably won't ever use it but i just want to know like i and i also take satisfaction in it not working and me figuring it out fixing it and being like that fucking thing works now like i i figured it out why it didn't and now it now because of something i did it it

now works i'm waiting for a year from now when uh we're having this conversation you're going all right we're doing an ls swap i got a guy coming ls swap would be sweet that's obviously not like a project i would undertake myself and also that's a very expensive project because do you need to do the transmission too by the time you get to that probably and like then even you start like it just um to to me it just you have to keep going down the line because then like everything's not sufficient it's just starting over it's not even the same right anymore right and yeah like uh then brake is you know i don't have power brakes so is that insufficient for this vehicle that has this LS engine? But I think these that are retro-modded with LS swaps are awesome.

Like, those are sick. I'm assuming those command a pretty big premium. Yeah, that's a separate price range also, like one of those that's done well for sure. One thing cool that I'm doing that's a little bit cosmetic, a little bit practical too, is I'm like the… Gun rack. A gun rack a gun rack of course uh very practical so I can put my have a place for my guns that I need to rack around with me uh I did have vehicles with gun racks lots of people in high school had trucks with a gun rack on the back windshield

are in the back glass just the times have changed yeah but changing lighting to led oh yeah that'll be a nice one front uh front markers and then like my backup my reverse lighting and then like my reverse tail lights and like they're pretty cool like i got like like i don't know if it's like sequential oh yeah where they blinker the lights in the back that they go yeah and some cool stuff there so the only the headlights to that well i haven't purchased the headlights yet because there's two options here on the headlights i'm going to switch them out to led either way but you can go led that still looks stock right or you can go led that has like the amber halo around it and like

arc some crazy very cool running options right but i just don't know i like the overall still the the pickup looks mostly stock and that's just like a different step you know it's just a different direction that i've noticed that is so i i literally bought all the other ones and i'm going to replace all the other ones and then i'm just waiting because i can't decide on the headlights i'm kind of i was leaning towards the you know some cool um different things you can do and i'm just starting to think i might just like the stock look headlights but just freaking brighter because they're just so and there's something too where it is that that understated but cool look where if it is still in the stock style but it it has been updated to LED, that that does.

Right. I mean, it does look more modern. Right, right, right. That's probably enough C10 kickoff for this episode. I guess maybe like once every couple months I'll get going for 10 minutes on that. So that way the 20 people that are interested in that will get my update, and then the other thousands that don't care will don't have to actually i actually had this is the first time we probably talked about it since the podcast a long time ago so i hadn't gotten updates on it in a while i didn't yeah i've been doing a lot of shit even

today there's then been okay one more thing you pull them right back in. The rear of the engine, it's been leaking a little oil back. Not significant, but I've known that there's something back towards the rear of the engine bay where there's been a little bit of oil slowly dripping around there. And I think I actually figured that out and addressed it and fixed it today. So what is that? figured that out and addressed it and fixed it today so i was so what is that um it was actually the the oil pressure line that runs the oil pressure gauge it just uh it's a little like eighth inch compression line and it just was that line was actually leaking right in that little fitting and i think i figured that out and i kept thinking that the leak was uh down much lower i thought it was like a rear seal is a common thing and like if your rear

seals leaking you're basically screwed because that requires like taking the engine out to uh replace and then a lot of times they'll leak again anyways i shouldn't say you're screwed but it's just a big ass project that i'm not going to be able to just undertake but uh i think it's was somewhere for much higher. I think I found it, and I think I got it fixed today even. And I'm like, oh, my God, did I just fix that thing that I've been worried about? Smartest man alive. I'm like, I am so good at this.

I say that in jest because I'm not, but it's just like it is really satisfying when you can knock things off the list. Oh, yeah. Dude, yep. I totally believe it. Put a new mahogany steering wheel on at one point in time that I love, too. Oh, and then the sound system. I don't know if I ever got the sound system.

Well, I saw you had some snaps of that. Yeah, I saw. Yeah. That's way cooler, too. Yeah, people were memeing it, you know, online, putting different sounds. That's true. Everyone, yeah, that's right. So maybe we didn't talk about it.

But that makes the driving experience way more fun. Is the sound quality significantly better, too? Well, there was no sound quality. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah, nothing. Yeah, the sound quality is good.

I mean, you wouldn't get in there and be like, holy fuck, am I inside of a... No, but I couldn't remember if you had blown-out speakers, yeah you had nothing no it's it just sounds you just it just sounds like a modern vehicle basically is what i would you know it just sounds like you're riding in a vehicle that has something appropriate sound system um okay what's our timeline we're at 904 already wow times how about a quick sack segment We got time for a really quick sack segment. Let's do it. Two things in my sack.

First of all, I just wanted to show off these comically small dumbbells that I got. Are those the ones I got? These are the ones I bought from Efren. These are the salesman samples. Oh, okay. Did he paint those gold? I think if Keith's listening, maybe he can verify, but I think some of these are actually gold. Really?

And that's why he's a collector of them. I think they were. If I understand right, some were gold and some were not gold, and I don't know the answer to that. But I do know these are gold, and I don't think he painted them that. I think that they were commonly gold. But these are the salesman sample, what they would call their half-pound dumbbells.

And I'm a little bit torn as to what to do with these because all the other ones I have in the gym, I like to really hammer my thing of like, no, I buy these weights to be lifted. But these are not liftable. They're not liftable, and it seems like an easy thing for someone to accidentally take. Yes, exactly.

But I don't really like just, like, it's not fun for me to be like, oh, great, I'll set this in my office so I can just look at them by myself. They do look fun to hold, though. Yeah. Like, you can do silly workouts with them. You know, if you had those in your office at work, every person would be like, oh, Megan. Actually, it'd be a good experiment to put them in there and hear what joke you hear 10,000 times.

Yeah, yes, yes. Look how strong I am. I can hand them to my baby and be like, ah, here you go. So that was one thing in my sack. The other thing, I got another postcard. Oh, yes. The postcard. Oh, yes. I didn't see you mention this. The postcards keep coming up now.

So here's a couple of the past ones. I'm now getting just, like, memes in the mail from people. The Coors Light twins, you know, is this a cherry Coke? The meme of me thinking everything's a cherry Coke. And now this week, another postcard from an unidentified uh we'll get i suppose podcast listener of course right so it's you see here it's uh here put it down a little bit i can't quite see the okay it's twin a while it's twin a while is what it says and it's been a while with the twins it's been a while with the twins what do they said

it's twin a while and of course featuring stained in duplicate and then on the back it says i love okay i love early 2000s rock Chicken Bakes Getting Restocked, Fred Der Stupid Grin, Inbetween. That's good. That's good. Fred Der Stupid Grin. This is almost turning into a new segment where people can just send you postcards every week and we can review the postcards on the podcast.

I think I'm going to hang all the postcards in the gym on the bulletin board. That's a good spot for him. I have so much stuff I never know what to do with and most of it I just end up putting at the gym too the bulletin board because they're gonna like i have so much stuff i never know what to do with and most of it i just end up putting at the gym that was always my go-to we started to get a bunch of stuff i don't know what to do yeah it's going to the gym it'll find a home somewhere yeah well that's good i like that it's twin a while that is really good someone's someone's thinking.

So, yeah, if anyone can one-up, if you think you have a funnier postcard idea, make sure to send it to Tanner's house so he can review it on the podcast. No need to include a return address. Just be a mystery man. My wife sent me this one. She's like, you and your friends need to grow up. And I'm like, I don't even know who it is that needs to grow up.

This is a good one, though. Someone did good work. It's layers on layers. Trying to explain that to someone that doesn't know what's going on is a real trip. They got this picture of stained, and it says it's twin a while. This is a postcard, so that means multiple male personnel saw this and I wonder what their thought was when they saw this. That's really good.

You know what you can do, Tanner? You can, I think most major banks let you do this. You can put any picture as your credit card. You could put one of these postcards as your credit card going forward. Right, right. Then you go at a restaurant, credit card. You could put one of these postcards as your credit card going forward. Right. Then you go at a restaurant, you pay, and the waiter would be like,

holy shit, is that the twins? And instantly, he'd know what's going on. This guy gets it. I want to talk about supporting our supporting members. We haven't declared what the official line in the sand date is. No, we've just said February.

Yeah, February. So we'll say this. If you're listening to this episode within its first week of being new, you still have time. But I don't know if next week that will be true yet or not. Like this is almost, I don't know if this is your final warning but this is very close to your final warning i am uneducated on this but i would say this is damn close to your final warning damn close to your final warning yes for sure you could even say it might be the final countdown synthesizers are going to start beeping you in and you're going to know i'm sticking yeah

so what we're saying is here we're we've got this big mailing coming up that's going out to all of our supporting members most of it's arrived actually something else has shipped i didn't tell you that today another piece of the important piece of the puzzle shipped so um yeah we've picked something up something else has shipped so we're getting very close what we're gonna have to do is draw a line where anyone that's joined up by x date is getting in on it and anyone that uh joins up after that misses out on it so we say all that to tell you sign up immediately if you want a chance of getting in on this one prior to the line in the sand, I'm getting my shtick out ready to draw a big-ass line in the sand,

and it's coming soon. So please, if you want to get signed up, do it now. Otherwise, you will regret it for the rest of your life. And also, welcome aboard all the people that have been signing up. A lot of people wanted to be on the other side of the line, and boy, was there a lot of people signing up. Yes. Love to see that. You know, that really helps out things that we're doing here

and makes me optimistic about the future of Masonomics and us being able to do more additional cool things, even beyond this one that we've got planned here. It makes me wake up with a smile. And if you want me to wake up with a smile, then you should sign up to be a supporting member. It makes me wake up every a smile. And if you want me to wake up with a smile, then you should sign up to be a supporting member. It makes me wake up every morning feeling like a key. I was going to say it if you weren't.

It sounded so good. So do sign up. And then if you do sign up, there's things like a discount code. It's how you get access to our exclusive Discord. Only supporting members get in on our Discord. And that also is what allows you to listen along to the podcast live each week if you'd like to do that, like we have crew members doing right now. It gets you early access to our powerlifting meets, the Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic.

It's the almost only way you can even get signed up for that. Pretty much too much stuff to mention, but in addition to that, it could get you on supporting our supporting members, which is a segment we do every week and this week big nick our resident uh agronomist agronomy location manager big nick maybe you should explain what agronomy is for the people that uh don't know yeah agronom uh big nick is an agronomic expert i believe he's also probably coupled along with that he He's a salesman. That's kind of the interesting duality of a sales agronomist is they're part scientist almost and

part salesman. So you have to merge. But you still haven't said what agronomy is yet though. Well, it's growing stuff, right? It's like, I don't know it's plant the science what is agronomy agronomy is the science of uh how things grow how plants grow i thought you were looking at it like a gonna read me an actual definition there oh no i'd have no idea like i would just say like the science of growing plants and in this case we're typically talking things like corn and soybeans we're talking about farmers the science of agronomy the science of soil management and crop production crop production that's a great way to plant plants was a stupid word to use i just couldn't think so yeah it's a crop production i think tanner isn't quite hitting the hitting the mic that sounds

much better um and i should know that i mean i work in the industry myself although i'm not just like how you just know what it is like you just right right right right um so big nick is an agronomist and he's one strong some bitch too because he just he just lifted you see these numbers tommy he hit a 700-pound squat in his meet. For real? A 408 bench, a 600 deadlift for a 1708 total. 700 squat. I was not messing around. Man, that is not. And well-rounded numbers in general.

764. That's a meet. That's good. That's great. That's great lifting. Yeah. That's good. That's great.

That's great lifting. Yeah. Uh, also shout out to big Zach who big Zach brought me a chicken bake. Really? Of sorts. He brought me a casserole, a bake, a chicken dish bake. So then he said, this is a chicken bake. Uh huh. You know, and it, it it it wasn't necessarily a la the

chicken bake in sense of flavor but inspired as a bake yeah well it is it was it was tech i know i would just say it was technically a chicken bake yeah is what i would say yeah yeah not really inspired by the chicken like a dish a hot dish yeah. But it was a chicken bake, right? You know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying. Okay, and then last but not least, Big Mini, Big Mini Action Jesus, our homeboy, was the guest this week

on Unpaid and Underrated, and we'll be seeing Big Mini and many of you others in a few short weeks at the Arnold. Dude, I couldn't believe it. Was it Grant on Instagram today? Had a post. 22 days. It said short weeks at the Arnold. Dude, I couldn't believe it. Was it Grant on Instagram today had a post? 22 days. It said 22 days to the Arnold, and that number blew my mind.

22 days. Three weeks from today, three weeks to the minute right now, you and I will probably be rolling into somewhere in where Indianapolis and be finding our hotel room. We might even be on the road for another hour or so yeah but yeah but we will for sure have just finished up a lot of time in the car yes yes we would have been we just three three weeks from now we will have just finished a whole lot of mass dynamic scheming oh god also some of our best brainstorms yes yes there will be a excessive amount of scheming no doubt there uh probably some c10 truck talk we don't have to worry about uh boring people i just kind

of blew my wad on most of them that might go on for another i could go on for hours so we got nothing to do especially if i don't have to worry about podcasts boring podcasts there's no time limit we can just be locked in the pickup with me with no choice but to uh listen you're like well i can't get away from it so we might as we got time for like an hour's worth of straight c10 pickup i got nothing else to do for the next actually i got nothing else for the next five days so yeah uh we did have we have a name just right now pop in that I do not recognize at all. So maybe. Is it our guest maybe? Maybe that's our guest. Okay.

Should I read an ad while you kick the rest of them out? Yeah. It's going to be really weird when I let this person in, and it's just a new person that signed up, and they're the only one in. But we'll give it a go. Okay. Juggernaut AI. Check it out.

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to some places you haven't done before. And you'll learn a couple of things of either that you do or don't like that you were unaware of before. So check it out. Juggernautai.app. And one final thing on that, we don't talk about this enough. We've seen enough people use this that have been training for significant periods of time get progress on it so we know it works. I don't know. Have we actually seen anyone get on it that we know and not

make progress? The only thing I see happen sometimes is people won't do it. They'll get the app and then you're not doing the program. Yeah. But we've never seen anyone commit to it and not actually make progress. And it's like there even is some

room for like, there's a lot of room for like. But you can't add in new days that aren't in there. Yeah. And you still have to train like you can't just not go to the gym. The whole thing is based on rep schemes. Right, right. So as long as you're following that, yeah, a lot of success that i've seen firsthand all right here we go oh there he is weird boy sorry sorry we we were a little unsure based on your screen name there

i'm using my girlfriend's macbook so like my fear first was like can i get it pulled up on the macbook so usually do everything from my phone but i you guys have been trying to do more of the YouTube stuff. So I was like, let me get a little bit better quality. And so as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh shit, they're just trying to hop in here. I saw the name pop in. I thought, okay, that does seem like a woman's name. And we don't have many women listeners, so it's got to be our guest.

Yeah. So Big Shane, we're excited to get you on we can hear you you can hear us so if you're ready to rock we're just gonna we don't want to say all the good stuff and have it not be recorded so save it yeah exactly so uh we are excited to get big shane on so here's my first question is it haller haller because i've, I think I've said holler in my head every time I've thought about you. Like when we talked about having you on the podcast, anything like that, I think I've always said holler. But until I listen to something, I'm like, wait a second, I guess I'm wrong. I've been wrong the whole time.

No, no, no, you're good. So I feel like I've been getting, people usually say holler, and I've got that like my whole life growing up in elementary school. It was like holler back or you know what I mean? And it's like, so at this point I'm kind of used to it. I get Sean, I feel like more than anything else. Like someone will like see my name and they're just like, oh, Sean. And I'm just like, yeah, like I'm kind of just like, I guess I should probably speak up about what kind of easy go with the flow,

but I'm just like, yeah, Sean holler. What's up? Yeah. So for anyone that's not familiar with big shane haller here um big shane has a big total i think is is your best still 23 48 23 47 23 48 47 and that number kind of really annoys me because it's like it's not 23 50 like it's a weird like ocd thing with numbers like it's it's almost 2350 but like we tell someone 2347 they're like that doesn't sound real that's kind of it's kind of a weird number so kind of kick myself not doing that extra six pounds but uh 2347 yeah and Shane is a big

power lifter you know we talk a lot to a lot of power lifters that are five eight and under and uh what do you, are you, you're competing in the three, you're over 300 pounds and are you six, three? Something like that. Cause I feel like, well, let me, let me hear it first. Well, I just, first of all what I'd say is you're actually tall and that's of note because like that's kind of uncommon. Uh, I don't know. What do you,

what do you think? I'd say like six, three or six, four. That was my guess was six, three or six or six four so i feel like for whatever reason anytime i watch like any like the live streams back from like any like the bigger meets or like someone comments online people think i'm like six like five or six six or something like that i used to be six four and then i gained a bunch of weight and then i probably i have have a couple of herniated discs. So I think I shrunk squatting, but I'm like six, two and three quarters.

That's what I like. I won't even, I won't even really give myself the six, three, but, um, you just got to round that up. You got shoes on,

you got shoes on all the time. You're six, three lifts, right? This is lifts in my band. Exactly. Well, here's the question.

Who have you competed against this taller than you before? Um, like anyone of note? Here's a question. Who have you competed against that's taller than you before? Like anyone of note? I mean, Dan is pretty close. He's close, yeah. He's not quite as tall as you. He's shorter than me, but he's also five inches wider than me.

Yeah, Dan has definitely a different look, obviously. His shape is a little more like it's closer to the circle. I was talking to a buddy about this on a podcast not that long ago. We're like, I feel like the closer you are to like a circle, like the more optimal like your leverages are going to be for. Yeah. A well-rounded lift.

There's some stumpy guys that can pull some pretty big numbers. And, I mean, if the squat and the dead or the bench kind of cap off enough for it, you know what I mean? You don't have to pull too, too much, but it's the old, it's the old argument that it's not weight classes. It's height classes. You know, I'm six one. I want to be competitive. I'm going to have to weigh damn near 300, you know? like the more I have to fill out, you know what I mean? It's like filling the frame out. Bench is like the worst thing for me. I got these like go-go gadget arms and stuff. It's good for deadlift, but even for squat, like I have a very wide squat. So it's like, it's not even, you got to kind of milk the leverages you've got and stuff. And even now I just switched over to sumo recently. And that's even kind of more kind of gaming the leverages to kind of shrink

up what I do got. So. Yeah. So like, like yeah what do you walk around like what's your weight right now uh like today uh right now i'm about 306 so i mean i'm kind of creeping up a little bit um for my last meet i've generally stayed right around like 300 pounds 305 295 like for my entirety of uh competing so my first meet was back in 2016 and i was i waited at like 296 and then i've generally hung around here i've waited at super heavyweight one time i was 322 pounds and it was the most sweaty uncomfortable i've ever been in my life and it was not like a good 320 it was like a lot of like you guys ever do like the the bulking meals where it's like

you're eating like basically like easy mac and ground beef you know what i mean like all the calories yeah yeah but still though so what was your first meet was that like 2016 or 2017 so 2016 yeah so to go from 2016 to today and really only span 30 isish pounds, that's not a whole lot, actually. No. How many hundred pounds on your total in the time? Well, yeah. Basically, I don't even know these headphones. Can you guys still hear me with this?

Yeah. Yeah, the same actually. They work just to look cool. They're not even working. So, I mean, I've added about 500 pounds exactly. Oh, my cats are kind of going at it, my bad. I've added about 500 pounds exactly. Oh, my cats are kind of going at it, my bad. I've added about 500 pounds exactly. So my first total was 1847, and 2347, the biggest now.

So I mean, exactly 500 pounds in about seven years, but really 10 pounds body weight max that I've kind of gained in that. So it's been a lot of re-comping and then just kind of optimizing, I guess. You kind of have done the joke that we always make is like, you have a really good year and you're like, Oh, I put 50 pounds on my total and you say, I'll just do this for eight years and I'll have 400 pounds. You actually did do that.

For most of us, that's like a stupid joke that doesn't ever happen, but you actually did kind of do that. Well, that's almost like a thing now is it's like, so that total was spring of 2022. And like, you know, that's 50 pounds a year for the last two years, dude, I've been kind of, I wouldn't say a drought. I mean, I've hit, I had a 23, a 2303 at a meet I did last April and then a 2331 at this last competition I did.

But it's like, it's not that PR total. So like, I'm not, I'm not stoked about it, but it's like, it's, it gets hard threading them all together. You know what I mean? My deadlift, my deadlift has been going up, but it's really, uh, the squat and the bench is kind of hard to kind of line everything up in the same competition to really kind of optimize everything, you know? Yeah. Um, we talked about you being one of the taller guys, obviously that lifts and just like your your stature your size and stature in general i just talk about not being able to think of that many people that are taller than you that lift even in in super heavyweight 308 those weight classes

but the other thing i noticed is your sumo deadlift are there many people much heavier than you that pull sumo like as effectively as you do because what's your best deadlift is so i just did 900 903 at this last competition so i have a 900 squat and deadlift raw which uh i think there's six or seven guys have ever done that so it's like a pretty cool group group to be and i had the lowest total out of those guys but it's still it's still nice to be in that group well if you walked what i would say if you walked into the room and you're like oh that guy's a powerlifter he's pulled 900 pounds guess you know what what what style do you assume he deadlifts in like i would guess like nine times out of ten that it's conventional just based on

your size you know it doesn't seem like there's people that size your size pulling sumo like that very often yeah and my best i mean really up until like the last two years, I mean, I was strictly conventional. So I pulled 865 in competition before and kind of where this kind of like total PR drought kind of started. Right after that competition, I went right into prep for the American Pro, the very first one. It was like 16 weeks after, and I usually don't like kind of stacking meets together that close because I feel like I kind of, not like bad luck, but it's definitely like if I'm not regulating everything as far as, you know, recovery and just kind of pushing myself a little too much, I can be a little frail in my back and everything else like that, like I said, with those herniated discs.

a little too much i'm i can be a little frail in my back and everything else like that like i said with those herniated discs so my back acted up that summer and um i really was wasn't able to train or really do any kind of deadlifting at all and um it came through uh a pt's advice to really just kind of if you want to do something just try and maybe do a little sumo deadlifting just to you know do light sets of 15 or something and um started it and it's literally taken probably about a year and a half to kind of get it like pretty pretty dialed in but first competition doing it i pulled uh 876 which was like a 10 pound pr and then uh this last competition 903 so i've had some some consistent progress with it and um i feel like we're just talking about like the longer you do it,

like the harder it is to kind of string PRs together like that. So I feel like they kind of have like, I don't know, about 40 pounds of deadlift PR last year is a, it's a pretty nice little pocket of PRs to kind of find when it's harder and harder to kind of do that, you know? Yep. How would you say, so when you switch from conventional to sumo on your deadlifting style, how, uh, if at all, does that affect your squat, your training of your squat?

You know, if you've got a heavy deadlift session, now that you're going sumo instead of conventional, does it make you feel better or worse any faster for when it comes around for squat time? So I always squat and I deadlift in the same session. So like I always, in squatting first, whether it's a light or heavy in the same session so like i always am squatting first whether it's a light or heavy day i kind of like undulated a little bit so if one's heavy the other one will be light and i'd squat and deadlift twice a week um so at first it was really kind of just like it wasn't necessarily a bad like all the pressure was off my back which was good but then like the spots like you wouldn't really think about like my adductors like in the inside like my hammies everything was like cooked dude so like it was it was something to where like

i definitely had to kind of adjust that too and rearrange my my warm-ups and everything else like that and just the kind of prehab rehab stuff i was doing but um i feel like i've kind of built up a tolerance that now and i've kind of dialed in like what percents are pretty good and manageable to do both because i mean even um you know like prepping for a competition like this last one like I would be squatting and deadlifting in the you know the mid 800s you know twice in the same week during the same sessions and stuff like that so it definitely kind of wears a little bit but um I feel like they're really good accessories for the most part I mean I squat pretty wide so the sumo deadlift is basically

about my, my squat stance. So it's kind of just like, if I can just kind of jack the bar up enough to where, you know, my hips are at a decent position. I mean, I'm really just kind of squatting the weight up, which is kind of, I see your people would say that, that Q like, you know, leg press. And once you kind of find out how to, how to get that feel, I mean, it really kind of is that, you know what I mean? Once you can get that up, down position. It is amazing though, watching your videos on Instagram Instagram, how if you like cut you off at the waist and just looked from the waist down, you almost wouldn't know if you're squatting or deadlifting because your stances do look so similar between the two. It's, and people would

always ask me, they're like, you know, you would, cause when I used to pull conventional, they're like, Oh, your stance is so wide, you know, squatting, like you, you'd think you would pull sumo. And I would always like, I don't want want to say like i would like kind of like laugh at it but it's like when you pull conventional like you kind of have this like i don't want to say like elitist it's a point of pride though it is i pull conventional you know what i mean i do it the right way and when you can't do it at all it's like well shit i'll if this is what i gotta do to do it you know what i mean i'll i'll pull it that way so i think i definitely want to um try and get back to a competition at some point where i'm just pulling conventional whether it be um you know like a deadlift only thing or just

whatever i definitely want to try and get like a 900 pound conventional deadlift i think that would be cool just to kind of say i can do both but um for right now this is kind of the thing that's clicking and you know definitely definitely I would like to say like, like the total is my favorite lift out of the three for sure. Like I think I'm good, you know, individually at certain ones, but if I can just put everything together for the biggest total, that's, that's definitely what my goal is every single time. So. You're talking about your total at 2347 at 308.

Is there any number that you would hit like if you went up went out next week and had the meat of your life like is there a number that you would hit and be like yeah I'm really happy with that like I'm good like I don't even know what I want to do next because I'm just so good with that number I'm just I'm just I guess I'm done you know like is there a number like that so I feel like when i very first started it's like you said back in 2016 so i i was getting ready for my first meet in like february and um they had like the la fit expo that that uh like that month before or something like that this is when animal or uh ape man used to put all those like crazy hype videos on youtube and stuff and it was

like right around the same time as like the the mark bell like powerlifting mentality and stuff you listen to the thousand uh i fell with a thousand pounds on my back someone tried to help me away and i said get the fuck away from me i'm a man i'm walking my own two feet yeah i feel like it would be weird to like talk to him like after listening to those for so long i did the the the table talk podcast with dave yeah and um it was the same thing like i've listened to so many videos with that guy so it'll actually just be like hey dave and he's like oh hey i'm just like you know what i mean like it's kind of weird to not hear him say the stuff you're used to hearing how weird is because we were there i think not too long after you were there and we were on you know maybe just like a month or two after you were and it is just a wild uh because we like an out-of-body thing though it doesn't seem real

it seems like you're watching what's happening yeah you look at all this you know either the videos or you know you listen to the podcast or whatever so it's like it becomes like it's like i mean like that's our media so it's like that's like your you know tv star or whatever so it's like you kind of get starstruck like meeting him and i was lucky enough to where i went up um two days before my podcast so i could train both days and um so i got to kind of hang out with him and get like those jitters out of the way because i feel like if it was just like hey i'm shane that's how it was. We popped in. Four hours. Yeah, we went from meeting him to podcasting within, like, what, 10 minutes, Tanner? I mean, maybe it was 30 by the time we messed around. But still, it was quick.

You guys went together, though, so that kind of takes it. Yeah, it does. Having two people for sure. It's a safety blanket, right? Yeah, it does. That's a good point. You can deflect things out a little more. Yeah.

It is really cool though like that is just like such a bucket list experience to just even i'd never been in the elite fts uh gym compound before even just being in there i'm like wow this is the the nicest place yeah nicest gym i've ever been to you guys have a pretty a pretty good size gym too but i mean that's like do but it's all much kind of apples and oranges still though but it's just jam-packed with equipment, too. It's just crazy. You walk down that opening carpet row, and it's just like seven monoliths, seven pro benches.

They have a million dumbbells, every accessory. I mean, it really was. You couldn't put anything else in. It's maxed out. It was hard to work out, because you're kind of looking at everything. You're next in the rotation like oh shit sorry sorry yeah yeah yeah uh that's cool yeah um but i guess we were asking you about

the total and yeah if there's a number or anything i got i got strapped on that so yeah the arnold or the uh the elite fts i wanted to ask you about that anyways, too. But so anyway, back with those videos, Brandon Allen did the LA fit expo that year and he had a 2303 total walked out reps. And like, I just remember being like that, like that's the biggest number. Like that's the, you know, that's, that's strong. If you had something like that, that's strong. And so back in 2021, I actually, I did the, I don't know if you guys were at that one. It was the, the showdown.

We were there. That was 2021. Or was it 2020? I can't even remember now. Was it 2020? The smaller year. Cause that was, that was the year it was going to be in New York and like, they like closed because nobody was doing anything in New York that year. It was whatever they did. The first one in Kansas city, whatever year that was. That was, so I did that one too, but I did a New York that year. It was whatever they did. The first one in Kansas city, whatever year that was. That was,

so I did that one too, but I did a 2265 that year. Okay. And so the following year I did a 2303 and it was like, you know what I mean? Like that was like my, my, my number was Brandon there the year we were there.

Brandon was there. Yeah. And I met, and so I literally, yeah, I hit the total, I get off the platform. He's there.

And he's like, again, this is like, you know, like, it's like, I'm'm like i watch you all the time you know yeah i went up to him was like hey man i don't want to be weird but like i just want to let you know like i'm shane nice to meet you like yeah i look up to you a huge amount like i remember my you know do you hit that total at this meet and i just hit my 2300 pounds here and it's really cool just to have you here to like watch that and like you know to have you here to like watch that and like you know to be and he was like the coolest dude ever and I hung out with him the next day because he was handling somebody but um yeah so I feel like that was that was my number

and now it's just kind of like uh I don't know it's like you you do on me and you hit these numbers and it's like man that's that's like it's it's it has this like feel of it where it's like it's cool for like five minutes and it's like I could probably that's, that's like, it's, it's, it has this like feel of it where it's like, it's cool for like five minutes and you're just like, I could probably do like a little more than that. So I feel like that's kind of where it's at now is just to try and just keep pushing it. You know what I mean? 24 is the new 23, I guess that's kind of what everyone's kind of gaming for. And, uh, I don't know, I guess once I get there, I'll let you know what the next number is. That's, that's the newest one right now, but 23 was that life for me for a while. What's the number one world record total in sleeves in the weight class?

In my weight class, it's 24-27. Andrew Haas just broke that. You were talking about my last name. Is it House, Haas, Haas? I always say House in my mind, but I actually don't know that. I thought it was House for some reason, but I could be wrong. I feel like either one of those. Haas is a pretty badass last name, and then, like, house.

You're like, okay, that's pretty cool, too. He might be the hairiest powerlifter that exists. The hairiest house, yeah. Yeah. But he's got that at 24, 27, and he's got the wrap total, too, at 24, 63. So he owns 308. He's, like, the number one guy in my class and then overall it's like it goes from his total all the way up to jesus who has like 25 50 which is like

i mean that's that's an insane number so are you competing here in three days yes are you gonna be paying attention to that at all what do you got what do you guys are what do you guys have called for his numbers right now i feel like there's a million. I have three group chats where everyone's taking bets on that right now. What does he even do? We actually haven't even talked about this yet. Let's talk about it, actually. We should all talk about it right now. And also interesting, probably also like you, we're buddies with Dan.

I'm a big Dan fan. It's hard for me to root for anyone to, uh, beat any of Dan's numbers in anything. First of all, I'll say that, um, just because I like Dan and he's been an awesome dude. And I just, I don't know, he's my buddy and I don't want anyone to really beat his stuff. You know, I was, I was training with him last year. We did that meet in, um, in April in Texas. And, uh, I drove over to his gym over in Daytona for our last heavy squat session. And we had the Sheffield meet, like, on the TVs while we were training and stuff. And he wasn't having that great of a session.

He kind of went into that meet a little banged up. And I remember we were watching it, and it was like we watched him do his opener, his 1,000, and then he did 1036 and i think everyone at that point was kind of just like oh you know what i mean yeah right enough to have a crazy day but i was there watching it with him and you know he's it's kind of weird when that kind of stuff happens too like um like i was watching the live stream when uh andrew house broke my squat record and it's's like, you can't, what am I going to be mad at the guy for being strong?

I'm going to beat you up for being strong. All you can do is just like, he did it. You know what I mean? And it's crazy to see what he's going to do now. You know what I mean? Because he's even surpassed. That's what part of me just thinks, how nutty can this get?

How crazy can this go? It seems like he's very, you know, we talked about it maybe even last week, Tommy. It's like you still have to do it in a meet. You know, obviously he's had some really awesome training leading up to this, but still to do all three lifts in the meet, you know, in theory to hit like a nine for nine. But that being said, it seems like he could hit 2,600 pounds in this meet. You punch the numbers in, man. I mean, everything in training is like, I think it's like 10 pounds off of that or something like that.

Yeah, yeah. And he's so young still is the other part that doesn't add up. It's just. Well, we'll throw the wrinkle of the whole it's on a power bar. It's walked out. Combo bar. It's walked out. Combo rack. It's drug tested. And then on top of it, those meets go – they're over in like three and a half hours.

So it's like – Yeah. I mean it's – With like overly strict judging too. There's a lot of guys that get lifts that all day. Any normal person would say, why didn't that count? We're kind of blowing them right now. But I mean it really is.

I mean, it's one of the things I remember watching. I was driving home from that training session with Dan. It was like a three-hour drive, and I had it on my phone on the live, you know, watching the live stream. I watched the whole thing all day, and I mean, it was just, it's a crazy thing, man. You know what I mean? It makes me excited to sit there and compete and, you know what i mean it makes me excited to sit there and compete and you know aspire to sit there and get close but it's just like it's it's a different top of the food chain it uh the other thing about it that kind of like racks my brain on it is like i get the squat like when i look at him and i see him and i the way he looks the way he moves and stuff i I get the 1050 squat. That makes sense to me.

It makes sense. Right. The way his deadlift is moving, I'm like, normally dudes that are built like that... It's the shape, man. It's the circle. Usually when they're that big, it starts to be a problem

hanging on to it or just somewhere. I think that was his biggest thing, think was being gripped you know what i mean that was just like his limiting factor but it looks locked in he he gets i feel like for a big guy like i mean even for me like you know to get to get down to the bar like that and really get wedged in like it's not comfortable so i think that's almost his biggest asset is that he's able to just stuff everything down there where it needs to be his body wants to spring up if you would watch like ray williams squat i don't think it was i mean he's obviously the crazy squatter but it was like he was so it was so hard for him to get like compact down to depth that he would shoot up that last 10 of the lift was the hardest part for him

because he was literally in a spring you know what i mean you just get down there and his body would shoot him right back up yeah his calves were stacked on his hamstrings you know that is it was there was nowhere to go yeah right right right yeah yeah it's crazy i'll be excited to watch it also it's it's good uh for that competition that they have him doing that because I still think the scoring of that, the way they decide the winners is weird. And, uh, and it's, it's fortunate that they've got him the biggest guy, the biggest, strongest guy that it's working that he won last year. And if he does what he could do, he'll win again this year you know and it that's that plays into it well because it's unfortunate what would suck is if he goes out and does the

biggest total of all time and then then like didn't win you're like uh i don't get it even like this doesn't make any sense you know it's one of those things too where i think like from a casual person or just like even just like a normal person that really doesn't even know about powerlifting it's like you would just expect like the biggest person to sit there that's that's your winner you know what i mean especially for this meet where it's the most prestigious drug tested meet on that side and uh it's you know he's winning it and he's also the strongest guy not just drug tested just period i mean it's like a you couldn't ask for a better poster boy for that kind of a situation you know what i mean right right okay i wanted we had to

ask you about this so you're a ucf guy went to university of central florida the nights you did wrestling and football both there um what years were you there first I was there the year, well, I wrestled for the first three years I was there, so that would have been fall of 11 through right around like 2015, and then 14 to 15 is when I played football, but that was the year after Blake Bortles was there. So when they went 15-0, they won the Fiesta Bowl. It was like this huge thing. That was the year before I got there.

I walked onto the team. And so my senior year, I walked onto the football team. And I was on the practice squad. I mean, I didn't play in any games or anything. But I got to dress for a few. I got to travel for the bowl game and stuff. got a a bowl uh conference rank to win our conference title that year so i mean it was a really cool experience but i never actually got to i was i got the college football experience without actually having to like play yeah yeah got the year the year pass

who was so who was the head coach the year O'Leary dude he was the scariest old man like George O'Leary he was like he was at Georgia Tech uh years before that stuff he had a successful program there or he was like an offensive coordinator or something and then when he came to UCF I don't know when I played high school football we played like two years and we were like not a very good school like I think we won a combined like we were like 3 and 17 the two years I played it's not good you know what I mean I was like I'm not even really like a huge football guy but like I you know I played um I'm not like a hand-eye coordinated athlete like if it was like wrestling or football where

it's like me get in front of you, me move you like that was, that was my deal. And, um, so when I went to UCF, dude, it was like hard knocks. Like you show up and there's like meetings before practice, you get taped, you get, you know, more meetings before practice, practice meetings after practice, you know, film and everything else like that. And it was like this very regimented thing that I was not prepared for. And you would see him dude. And it was like, like, we're all like, you know, the college division one college athletes. And I mean, big guys around 300 pounds and this dude would scare everybody, man. Like he was just like, just like, just from embarrassing you in front of everybody man like he was just like just like just from embarrassing you in front of

everybody to like just like running you into the dirt with just different drills or whatever like it was not pleasant dude like if you fell asleep in one of those meetings he would out you in front of everybody and it was like straight like it's screaming at you in front of like a hundred people in a room dude like terrifying it's five in the morning you don't want to fall asleep you're 20 years old like not good yeah well and it's wasn't it they've had it we were talking tommy and i were talking about it before they've had an interesting lineage of coaches there too because then after it was uh ross nebraska yeah what is it nick frost yeah frost the ne the Nebraska dude and so you just missed him then apparently yeah and so well the year I had the option um when I was there I could have

been like a red shirt senior so I mean I probably had the potential to maybe to make the travel team and um you know just be in the depth chart somewhere and stuff but that following year I think my senior my senior year we were i don't know maybe we lost like three games or something like that the next year they didn't win all game like they were like the worst team in like college football so it was like i could have played but like do you want to play for a team like that kind of deal um so i kind of dodged a bullet there but then when he came in within like two years i mean they were crushing it they were you know the the fake natty champs because they didn't drop a game,

I don't think, but they didn't make it into the national championship and stuff. So everyone, you know, they were kind of claiming that. So they've been up and down. I think they've had two coaches since then too. So, I mean, it's really kind of been a revolving door since I've been there. Yeah. Well, and that's what was the interesting part for us is – so the coach after Frost would have been –

I think it was Hypo was the coach after him, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's actually from Aberdeen is where he's from. Yeah, he's from West Virginia. Really? Where the gym's at and everything. Yeah. Dude, that's wild.

Yeah. And now he's the Tennessee coach. Yeah, so he got bounced around a little bit too. I feel like that's got to be like a frustrating job a little bit because it's like either you produce, you don't produce, then it's like you got to move to a different school like halfway across the country or whatever else. It's a weird – that's a weird – like we've even got friends at the gym

who's listeners of the podcast who their job is college coaching, and I always think it's a weird thing because your job is so fickle. Like I'm not getting fired at my job as long as like i keep showing up and you know i'm not a dumbass and also if you get fired from your job you're not like your option is i have to move to like five states away you know right right right where they'll sometimes they'll just get fired just like they won one less game than what the school expects them to win. And then everyone's fired. And it's almost like a tarnished thing.

Everyone hates you when you leave. You vote for this program. The boosters are all pissed. You leave in shame. Yeah. It's a weird thing. You must have a job, and I've never heard it on anything that you've talked about before. So I work for Progressive Home anything, uh, anything that you've talked about before. So, so I worked for, uh, progressive home insurance. So like those flow commercials

and, uh, yeah. And, uh, so I literally, I sit at home all day. I'm an underwriter for them. And, uh, I was, uh, you know, I feel, I joke, like, it's like, it's close to a professional power lifters. You can get, we're like, I literally get to sit at home all day, eat food, drink water. I'm off my feet. my feet just chill yeah thinking about the gym that night and then uh as soon as i get off work at five i make a beeline for the gym and i go right on in so i mean it's it's a pretty it's pretty cushy gig i've been there since 2017 so about six seven years and i mean it's you know i wouldn't say it's like my dream job. It's, I didn't grow up wanting to be an under, under, under, but there's also something to Yeah. But people, people don't, uh, when they're young, especially understand the value of having

a job where it's like not super stressful. Like it, it gives you the flexibility to do what you want after hours or other times. Like people, there is a value to that that a lot of people don't get no it affords me to do the things that i like to do outside of work so if it's like i gotta just do what i gotta do at work and i can do whatever i want after like i'm cool with that i feel like that's kind of the adult trade-off you know what i mean right that is the adult that is a good way of putting it's the adult trade-off and like yeah almost nobody grows up thinking that they want to do the job that they end up, because most people don't grow up to be firemen and professional football players. And, you know, like...

Tanner, do you remember the first time we had Dave Tate on the podcast, and you said, Dave, if you had recommendations for someone starting a business, what would you say? And he, like, stops for a long time, and then he goes, don't.

You guys said that about opening a gym, though, too, right? It's like stops for a long time and then he goes don't you guys said that about opening a gym though too right it's like oh that's why i would cool i would don't recommend it for like 99 of people i'm like yeah just don't even do it like it's probably not gonna work out like that's the thing you don't know the people that it is actually gonna work out for and that are dedicated enough to it and can make it work but like for most people it'd be like it saves everyone a little hassle if you just tell everyone not to do it because for most people it's not going to work out but there are exceptions to the rule too but uh well even like the gym i go to pinellas barbell uh my buddy sean and nick they own it and it's um you know the gym's doing good and everything else like that but it's definitely it's not like a a guaranteed thing like got to hustle and fight to kind of keep that going and whether it's just

updating equipment or getting new members in or causing new stuff to get traffic into the gym i mean it's uh you know it's definitely a labor of love yeah i i do like your point of say like bringing up i do think it's interesting like the thing. It's like maybe it's not somebody's dream job, but also like it works really well for what you're doing. And I'm in the same boat as that a lot of times. I have a joke. I have a son in junior high, and my day job is like not exciting. It doesn't sound cool. There's nothing cool about it, but it pays all our bills really well.

You know, it allows our family to do a whole bunch of stuff we need to be able to do and all this stuff. But my joke with my son all the time is like, because he gets pretty good grades. And I'm always like, if you study really hard, and I mean, like, if you really work at this and you, you know, we get you into a good college and you bust your ass at college you too someday could be a finance program manager but that's a legit title dude like like i'm an underwriter they're like wow that sounds like i'm like no it's really it's not crazy you know what i mean yeah well and it's always it's just like it's like it still doesn't it doesn't sound there's nothing about that that's cool or like that you grow up being like, that's what I want to do. You know, when I grow up.

Working in a fast paced office environment. But that's stuff that changes as you get old enough to understand, like there's trade offs to everything. And like, you also like you're presumably your number one hobby and passion. Like you can kick, it allows you're presumably your number one hobby and passion. Like, you can kick, it allows you to be able to kick ass at it and do it the way you want to do it. No, and I feel like, I mean, so I was powerlifting before I had this job, but I was working at Enterprise Rent-A-Car. And I remember I walked out of that job. Like, I was like, it was just a situation where, like, I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, but it's like. I've rented a car or two from them in my poor souls that rented.

They look to get people right out of college that either played sports or like actually now you say it. I don't know if I've ever entered a car from someone in my life. That's over the age of like 24. They get the young people. They don't know. They'll work you 65 hours a week, six days a week. But they're throwing $15 an hour at you right out of college. You're like goldmine.

But it's like you're in like that suit and tie deal. You're washing cars. You're renting cars in this like monkey suit. And it's like Florida. So it's like 100 degrees outside. I'm 300 pounds. I sweat in the AC. So it's like outside.

I'm wearing this white thing i'm looking gross i mean it's wrenched i did that for about six months and i walked out and um i had done a couple other like jobs before that you know i don't think you guys know what 1-800-GOT-JUNK is but it's like you're a glorified trash man basically and like bouncer you know trainer and stuff so i've done all these manual labor jobs while I was powerlifting. I was like, it's not conducive. Right into the office with my uncle was working there. He got me the gig at a progressive that I'm at with now. And I mean, it's done nothing but like enhance my powerlifting. So at that point, I mean, the goal is to work from home. And then, you know, from there, it's all kind of snowballs but it definitely allows me to prioritize that 100 for sure yeah so progressive is flow like you said who's the caveman is the

oh dude geico yeah they got the number one in the in the market okay so yeah i'm just flow is pretty well known though too like he's progressive just flow then is progressive anything else who's mayhem uh like the guy that farm okay that's state oh that's all state that's all state all state you're in good hands with all state jake from state farm yes isn't that like i feel like that's almost like the ploy for like insurance companies is like no one's gonna just want like a boring like it's all marketing it is all the same because it's all it must all be the same thing. So, yeah. But the craziest thing that's sticking in your head,

but you almost, like, know them more than the actual company. It's like, we all know Jake, but it's like State Farm? Yeah. That was like car insurance, wasn't it? Like. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So, Flo's kind of annoying, though. Have you ever seen Flo at the office at all? You work at home. So, when I worked in the office, it was kind of creepy. We would have TVs all over and it would just constantly play different Flo commercials. It was like Flo brainwash. All I could get out was Flo swag.

Everyone was wearing Flo t-shirts. I wonder how much money that woman makes. It's crazy though. She went from being just some lady that was trying to get gigs in commercials and random shit and all of a sudden they're like you're gonna you're gonna be the face of our of our insurance company and then it just stuck for years and yeah she's had to make so much money would be famous to the point she can't go out in public and not have everyone know who she is think about the chick that sold her voice to be siri you can never talk anywhere

without someone being like do i know you sound familiar like why do you sound like a robot uh so are are you a cat dad dude i am a cat dad 100 yeah that's like bro science i feel like cats lower blood pressure that might be a snapple fact but how many cats are we talking here so right now i have two i've had up to four at one point yeah and um dude they're just like i feel like i wasn't always a cat guy and then like i just you know i had one i had two and then you know it just kind of snowballs from there but uh that's definitely uh they're definitely my deal for sure like i got one little cat uh goonie she's like nine pounds and i got another one that's my girlfriend's uh tim and uh those are like my kids man so have you ever had any like wild uh breeds of cats you know

like there's some cats that are like huge and like almost like bobcats and a main coon i feel like would be like my goal cat like for the next one but like it never works like that like bobcats and a main coon i feel like would be like my goal cat like for the next one but like it never works like that like you're like oh the next cat i want to get and then you like find one by like yeah you're like i'll keep this one instead and then it lives for like 14 years yeah there's those main coons and then there's the uh the bangles dude and those are like yeah i'm like lions like they kind of i'm a cat guy and those kind of scare me like they're like very kill you in your sleep um i did read a thing or no wait no no no no no this i i should fact check what i'm saying here i heard this on the joe rogan podcast some guests that was on there but it seemed to be somebody that maybe knew what they're talking

about but it was uh talking about that if you die at home like you die in your sleep or something like that a cat will eat your head off of your body in like less than 24 hours of you what really eyelids but head sounds cooler yeah like we'll eat like like your face off like the second they realize you're unresponsive they're just like yeah within like hours of you dying and they will eat you i feel like there there's a bunch of like cat. That might all be a lie also. They like perceive you as like, like they're like your servants. Like they feed,

you feed them, like you clean up their poop. Like you just pet them whenever, like they perceive themselves to be like the dominant thing in the house. You know what I mean? Like, right, right,

right. There's a bunch of goofy cats up like that. I'll buy it. I, I actually like cats. The only thing I don't like about cats is cleaning the litter box probably. As you say that, our litter box is right there. I'll grab the one cat if he comes over.

He just got done probably digging it. I've always liked cats. What happened to me, though, was somewhere in my early 20s, I got crazy allergic. I don't know. Me was just like one day later in life too. We were at a buddy's house. We're sitting there. I'm chilling with the cat and some friends are like, Whoa, what happened to your face? I'm like, what are you talking about guys? And my eyes were almost just like shut. And ever since then, that, that was like the day

something changed. So I got to kind of keep my distance now. What is it? Benadryl? That's like, that is, yeah. You got to get you through. That's like the, the lifesaver. distance now. What is it, Benadryl? That's like the – It is, yeah. That'll get you through. That's like the lifesaver. It is. So how do you feel about dogs? I'm cool with dogs. I was lucky enough to have a bunch of roommates in college that had dogs. So I got to play with the dogs and chill with the dogs.

But then if the dog shit on the floor, I was just hands like i was just like you know hands off at that point so dogs are way more maintenance i feel like dogs are kind of like like a cat is kind of like um it like they don't always give you attention so you have to work for it a little bit so you feel like oh like i've earned this when they finally kind of warm up to you a dog will just always love you like you you could like be so mean to the dog and like a dog feels to me like we Tanner and I both have little children running around and a dog to me feels about like a two-year-old like they just always want to play with you it doesn't matter what's happening like they're just on you all the time needing something from you and it's a ton of fun but they always need something. I like this. If you

take your dog, your dog and your wife, and you lock them both in the trunk of your car for an hour, when you unlock the trunk, your dog's going to be happy to see you. Your wife's not going to look. I feel like that was the West Side vs. the World, man.

Is that what that's from? I don't even know what that's from. That might be what that's from. I don't even know what that's from. That might be what that's from. That guy should have a book just of straight quotes. Yeah, is that from Louis? West Side vs. the World plays at Mass. I'm going to repeat all the time, so that might be burned into my subconscious.

I'm not just Lee Griff. Yeah. That's so funny. I think that is Louis Simmons, isn't it? Yeah. He was talking about the pit bulls at the gym. Right. Yeah. I think that is Louie Simmons, isn't it? Yeah. He was talking about the pit bulls at the gym. Right. Yeah. I think that's right.

Yeah. That's a good call. Yeah. That's funny. Are you going to be at the Arnold this year? Dude, I'm not. So I was potentially going to be lifting in the cage. Yeah.

That's what I wondered. Which is a huge deal. But then I had the competition I just did in december and didn't go exactly how i want i definitely feel like at the competition i felt strong i felt good i wasn't banged up i just wasn't able to execute the way i wanted to and then i'm gonna be doing the ghost clash in miami in april which is like eight weeks away right now um so it would have been kind of like right in the middle of those i didn't really want to mess with the the peak too much um there's a good chunk of money that's going to be

on the line in miami too um and uh so i figured you know we're going back to like the adult thing like it's probably more responsible to sit there and just kind of go through prep you know have a better shot at the money and um you know if i'm able to lift in the cage again, at some point, I mean, that would be really dope. But I feel like just like being at the Arnold itself, dude, like I have FOMO every year. I always watch the live streams. The strong man show dude is like this year.

That's strong man. Lineup is the sickest lineup. Five's former world's strongest man. There's the same, like within the last like six years all those guys won at some point you know what I mean so it's like the who's who um all the powerlifting events are super sick they're bringing the

cage back yeah I get FOMO every year so I wish I was going but not this year okay um yeah we've got so we've got the Tommy, should we do overrated underrated? Are you good for that? So we've got this little game we play with every, everyone that's on the podcast, it's overrated underrated, and we got a special,

uh, big Shane Haller set of topics here that are handpicked just for you. We'll, uh, shoot them over to you. And it's just your job to decide if each one is overrated or underrated but you have to remember you can't ride the line you have to uh decide you know you have to pick a side on each one 51 49 yeah yeah okay so overrated or underrated carpeted platforms i'm gonna say underrated dude for sure so like if i'm squatting on a monolift like i don't want my feet to move i feel like if i'm digging those my feet in there especially being wide like that locks me in bench it definitely locks me in like if you're if you're benching the worst thing that could happen is you take that bar out and your feet just go, it's just like half inch. You know what I mean? It's like mentally you're just like off, just rack it. You know what I mean?

But, um, so I'm going to say, uh, I'm definitely gonna say underrated for sure. Those, those need to be, uh, utilized a little more. So have you done meets where they haven't been or because actually to tell you the truth, uh, big Jordan, this was, this was a uh an idea from big jordan so yeah so he uh he was he put on the competition that i the last one i did and um so was it in port charlotte or yeah in port charlotte okay and um it was kind of nice because it was like initially i was talking to somebody uh trevor jaffe and he was like hey do you want to use a normal deadlift bar or a kabuki deadlift bar at this competition coming up and i was just like

so i don't know i guess i haven't i haven't used a kabuki we could use a kabuki and so jordan got a kabuki or he's used we're gonna use a kabuki bar at the meet i was like dope and then uh i was talking i was like are we gonna have a carpet platform at the competition i was like it's the last one i did in texas just had like the horse stall mats and my feet kind of slipped. And he's like, yeah, we can do that. So he literally had a carpeted platform like built for the competition. And then so it was like, it was like deadlift bar, but I really wanted to practice on it, like the entirety of the prep to really kind of game it. Cause if you game it like properly, you absolutely get, get pounds out of that bar. But if you don't know how to game it, it's, it's almost worse.

Like it hurts you more than anything else. So you really want to kind of get the timing down. And so I was going to a different gym to use one. And I asked him, are you going to have a Kabuki bar in the, in the warmup room for us? And he goes, well, no, I just have the one for the platform. He's like, I was like, okay, well, I'll just bring my own. So he buys another bar for the warmup room, another Kabuki bar. And, um, that one was brand new and that's what we use on the platform. And then actually after the competition, um, I had one best lifter and i told him i was like hey can can i just buy this bar from you it's brand new yeah give you back some of my competition money here and so i got the bar from him too so he was the best the best meat director he definitely helped your boy out big jordan knows what he's doing oh yeah yeah okay overrated

or underrated you did some college wrestling uh so overrated or underrated greco roman wrestling dude underrated it's definitely um it's not huge in america but like internationally like my college coach was a big greco guy he used to joke he was like real men do greco because it's like you can't do it i don't know if you guys are familiar with like wrestling but it's like there's no look anything from the waist down you can't touch so like you can't take any shots can't grab their legs so it's literally just all upper body pummeling head throws i mean you're clubbing each other i mean you knock the fuck out of each other and greco and anything like as far as like cool like throws and stuff like those dudes like they're doing like current angle basically like belly throws and stuff, like, those dudes, like, they're doing, like, current angle, basically, like, belly to belly.

It's, like, legit, you know what I mean? They're getting gut wrenches, and, I mean, they basically powerbomb people on their heads and stuff. I never did Greco, but, like, you just respect those guys. It's, like, you just look at them, and they look just, like, you know, just beat the fuck up, you know what I mean? They got the big cauliflower ears, and they're just stumpy, you know, big,ed up dudes. So I'd have to say underrated because not enough people do that. It's a, it's pretty hardcore. Would, would you, when you were a wrestler, would you describe your style? Were you a guy that liked to throw guys or are you taking shots? Like what, what, what did you like to do? So I was, I was a heavyweight, but I was a light heavyweight,

if you can go figure on that. So was probably only about 230 235 when i wrestled in college and so i was giving up about 50 pounds on most of the guys and again i'm tall so like i was just a big kind of lanky guy and um so i would do a lot of shots you know like i'm sweeping sweep singles and stuff kind of got on the outside and in high school i pinned a lot more people but in college it's it's a lot tougher because everybody was good in high school yeah um so i would i would kind of win a lot of matches on like one or two points i'd get ahead up early and i just kind of not do shit for the rest of the match so college has the riding time thing which is weird too i loved it because it was like even if i give it if I get a takedown, I ride you out long enough to get that point, you escape.

So it's two to one. You start on bottom, you get up, it's two to two. If I just ride it out the whole time, then I get that extra point at the end. Three to two, winner, winner, chicken dinner. So that's how I would kind of try to win those matches long game. Yeah, yeah. That is a little different strategy than high school for sure, though, when you got that in the back of your mind.

Okay, overrated or underrated sheesh? I'm going to say sheesh is underrated. That is my all-in-one utility word. So tell us what sheesh is. You guys watch The Office, right? Yeah, absolutely. tell us what she shows have you guys ever seen you guys watch the office right uh-huh yeah absolutely it's such an an indiscriminate line where like pam tells michael no sheesh because he always just like he just says sheesh and it's like if somebody says something to me where i'm just like i feel awkward because they said it i'm just like sheesh if somebody says something to me

that i don't really know how to respond she sheesh. Tell me something cool, sheesh. Like it's just an all-around killer word. And I had some buddies in college. We all used to say sheesh. And it was like you would just like if you would say any – so B, like a beard, would be like bish. If B would be weesh. You know what I mean?

So sheesh, weesh, bish if we would be weesh you know what i mean like so so sheesh weesh bish yeah so we've just got it's like it you make sense when you're in college with all your friends that used to say like you're speaking a foreign language everyone's like this guy just says sheesh all the time that's weird but uh kind of stayed with me i like that i do like that. That's good. Okay. Uh, last one, this one's worth all the marbles. So overrated or underrated neck fans. Underrated. I have a fan right next to me right here at all times. So like, uh, my girlfriend is amazing and she got that for me when we first started dating, when I was getting ready for a competition in Miami. And dude, it's, I mean, people thought, I feel like I kind of look kind of like a tool.

Like people thought it was like, like my beats or something like that. But I was like, I was too cool to even like wear the beats. Like I have them so loud. I just have them around my neck. And then someone would say something to me. I'm like, oh no, this is actually a fan. And I put them, put it on their neck.

And they're like, oh my God. It's like, it's perfect. Because like because like i said i'm big like i'm gonna be sweaty and especially at that meet it was so hot in this gym and it was like everybody was bitching about how hot it is and they're sweaty this that whatever what and this was in miami or this was in miami yeah it was just like will smith said or will smith said Yeah, like Will Smith said. Will Smith said, party in the city where the heat's on. It was muggy and it was hot, man, and everyone's complaining. I was sitting cool, no pun intended. I mean, it's definitely – control your situation.

That's the biggest thing. Make sure you're set up to make sure you can control your situation wherever you're going to be at. I like that, Tanner. I think for our meet in the summer, we need to have a uh neck fan booth selling some some neck fans oh yeah i think the only thing more underrated than a neck fan would be those mr neck fans you've never like seen those at like yeah like theme parks where it's just a big fan it just sprays like misted right i can get like three of those in the back room i mean that would be probably just like chef's kiss yes

uh good news it looks like we're gonna add a bonus one in you get a bonus topic excellent in the back room, I mean, that would be probably just like chef's kiss. Good news. We're going to add a bonus one in. Oh, bonus topic. Excellent. Not everyone gets a bonus. Your bonus, overrated or underrated? Nick from Live Large. Oh, dude.

Nick is super underrated. That guy is the man. I think I gave underrated for everything. I love all the answers you guys said. Nick is super underrated. He's the man, dude, gave underrated for everything i love all the answers you guys said nick is yeah he's the man dude and makes the best pizza we still haven't got to try it to have the pizza yeah we're every year at the arnold our booth so when have you gotten the pizza i've never gotten the pizza i've just seen yeah it just looks really freaking good yeah yes like if you look up like the best like yelp reviews of pizza it's like his is like the gourmet stuff you would see like all fine like yeah um i remember i i did it i was talking to him about just like what makes a good pizza like all the like you know what i mean and like

he was talking about just the different you know the doughs and everything else like that and just like i was like if you're gonna judge like a a place on how good their pizza is like what kind of slice you're gonna get he goes pepperoni. That's what he told us too. He told us, you got to get a cheese or a pepperoni because you get the other crazy stuff. You can mask things, hide all that. The cheese and the pepperoni is where you actually find out what the ingredients are like.

I've told a lot of people. I've used that. I've explained that to a lot of people before in my life since he's told us that. That makes perfect sense to me when he explained it to us that way it's like a yoda thing to say oh totally you must start with basics what is your cheese like yeah yep you can't you can't hide behind all that crazy shit when you got cheese sauce and crust like it's like yep the ingredients are all out there yeah he's like if you're gonna make a t- there. If you're going to make a t-shirt, you've got to first

be able to make a black t-shirt with white lettering on it with your name. If you can't make that t-shirt, you can't make a t-shirt. Nick's got some cool cars, too. Dude, Nick is like, cool cars, pizza, he's always in Hawaii. That guy lives up there.

Just living the life now we we always do look forward to at the arnold you know our booths are always just a couple apart and uh catching up with nick and he usually he usually keeps us fed quite a bit tanner he's always like coming over with he's always got donuts and all this crazy food he just has it anytime we do like a travel meet like he's usually like the go-to person like he knows like where like a good spot to be like if we're gonna be in like miami like he would figure out like where the good spots to get food would be at if we're in kansas city like you gotta go here you gotta check this spot out like he is a super foodie like he's never stressed about

anything i'm always like oh we got a lot of shit to do man and he's like ah it all works out you know i'm like i'm like fuck man i'm worried about this shit yeah he's never it doesn't ever seem worried he's got to figure out anything yeah well this is gonna be uh the 10-year anniversary for them too at the art i saw that i'm gonna be doing a big whatever they are gonna be doing so yeah that's cool okay well we'll uh we'll hold down the fort there with them for you since you won't be there but uh uh no this was awesome we uh we had a lot of fun this is a good episode i mean people check you out on instagram right that would be the number one that's where i followed

you or any any i mean is that is that where you would tell people if they, yeah. Also, I think you have what you have some eBooks out too on. Yeah. On my, uh, on my, uh, my, uh, page now I just came out with two eBooks. Um, it's a five week template program and a 12 week template program. And I feel like when, when people, uh, like you hear that, you're just kind of like, oh, it's just like, it's just the five weeks or it's just the 12 weeks. Like it's, it's probably like a 40 page book for the uh the 12 week and like probably around 30 for the five and it's a really in-depth you know thing as far as just the kind of training philosophy different workout exercises has a whole video library with different exercises and warm-ups and everything and um you know pretty comprehensive programs in there as well too

um so i've been doing those and then looking to probably get into a little bit of coaching here um after this meet but we'll kind of test the waters out you know slowly here oh that's cool yeah all right well we'll tell people to be on the lookout for that then uh do you get down to train with jordan every once in a while then yeah yeah so his gym's probably only about an hour and a half uh south of me so he comes up to train with me on saturdays and then i'll go down to train with him we usually kind of run the same meat preps um he's just coming back from that that pec surgery right now and i don't know if he's been following his progress with that dude but it's like yeah it's

crazy so like seth albersworth who is uh his coach basically did the exact same injury and was back to benching like 315 within like I don't know like four months or something not like insane and so like Jordan's basically on that same kind of track because he's just as obsessed and you know wanting to get back to the gym right and uh he's back like benching I think like a plate almost now or something I mean it's it's crazy that's cool cool. You Florida men, we'll look for you in the newspapers and the headlines. We'll be on the lookout for you.

Sounds good, man. I appreciate you guys having me on. Thanks so much. Thanks a lot, Shane. Awesome. Good stuff. Bye, boys. See ya. Those are neck-cooled fan beans right there. Cooled with a neck fan. Those have been sitting with a neck fan around them for the entire episode. Yeah.

That's good. Oh, that was good stuff right there. That was great stuff. He was a lot of fun for a guy we've never talked to before. That was a lot of fun. No, and also you look at Shane's Instagram. Shane has nothing but lifting on his instagram that's what we were talking before this we're like man you know usually with

people we try to find a few threads of something that isn't lifting related that we can pull on and his instagram is very focused but uh yeah we were still able to have lots of fun with him and find out a bunch of non-lifting related things yes that was really good uh another note on the arnold since we were talking about it um or wait maybe you need to read it ah yeah i better read it now that's a teaser then a note on the arnold after that this episode is just full full of teasers yeah today's episode is also brought to you by swiss link since 1995 swiss link has been importing military-issued goods to the United States and into the hands of those yearning for quality gear at uncompromised prices. SwissLink.com carries all that you can imagine from British tactical vests

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I forgot to respond. I responded to him just before we started recording here tonight. And then his answer back to that was, we talked about you guys on our podcast. So I assume they're recording tonight. Which they always do, right? That is a really good one. Right. So they're recording a podcast. he goes we talked about yeah they do talk we do come up often on there that's what you're saying and i just responded back we are recording tonight too

now i'm going to make sure we talk about you on our podcast and my question for you tell me is what do you think that is that they said about us on their podcast okay probably something it's usually starts like this. North Dakota, South Dakota, what are those guys doing up there? The one, Kenny G, with the long hair, and the other guy with his beard, Tanner Tommy, I don't

know. And then they'll say, I thought they broke up. One of them moved to North Dakota, the other one moved to South Dakota, and now they're... I don't even know what they broke up. One of them moved to North Dakota. The other one moved to South Dakota. And now they're hot. I don't even know what they're doing. Are they still doing that podcast anymore?

Masonomics. Yeah, whatever they're doing. So that's what that led into. Whatever they just said, I can almost guarantee you, they said all of those things right there or some combination of those. And then now we're at the point where they were going to say what they're going to say.

And that's what I'm not totally sure of what it is. Probably like, oh, yeah, we're at the point where they were going to say what they're going to say and that's what i'm not totally sure of what it is yeah probably like oh yeah we're getting the booth ready and uh i gotta ask the massonomics guys because they've done it a few times and that's well they've been talking about them uh working on their video recording for the podcast that's what i think because the question was slightly related okay and see i think i bet it's going to be like tom's gonna you know yeah i want to know be like Tom's going to say something about what we do. He's going to tell he's like well these guys are doing that. Probably and I'm about

a month behind. I've been really bad at listening to podcasts. I usually keep up on Let's Get Stupid but I am just a touch behind right now. So I have seen him posting things on Instagram that they have been upgrading some items. Huck did say the other day that he wants to do a meet and he mentioned that the Mastodonics Lift Hard Leave Easy Classic is on his radar.

I was going to ask you because he had a post. It's funny because I called you right after this and this is what I was going to talk to you about and we talked about something else. That happens a lot. But he had a post, him benching. He said, I'm going to be the first guy to bench over 500 pounds. I like how I'm doing this voice. I'm reading reading his instagram caption but i'm doing this voice right now but i'm gonna be the first guy to bench over 500 pounds with two reattached pec tendons and he said i'm doing them and then someone goes oh what are you doing it he goes in the comments i think

he said i'm doing a meet this summer and i thought did he commit to tan did he tell tanner this and i don't know to it yet but it's i i mean i think it's like well the one one of maybe two that he's thinking about doing i mean they would have the they should come and all of them would have the absolute time of their life at that meet oh if if we could get finn callous um really any combination cam or white george foreman any of those guys any of the uh jacob ross yep like of those guys, any of the, uh, Jacob Ross. Yep.

Like if those guys drove here together, they would have the best time on, if they came and I don't care which of them are competing. I mean, which are just hanging out. If they came, they came to the Friday night party. They came to the meet and the Saturday night party.

They would leave. I promise this. I hope one of them's listening to this and they, or someone, someone send them this sound clip. Keith or someone send them this. Yeah, Lou. They would leave saying, that was the funnest meet we've ever went to,

and I almost feel like they could take that to the bank, that they would say, holy shit, did they make that for us? Aberdeen, small-town America, man, they're all about that. They would just be, they wouldn't miss a beat. They would honestly leave thinking, oh, my God, we can't do any other meets anymore i don't you know like that's it their career's done it went out with a bang yes don't you think it's like we've made this for them almost like it's the i i can't think of anything that's like 50 party 50 meat and it's not just them doing fifth the 50 everyone is on that everybody here that's

on dude you know that's gonna be 150 everyone there's doing the same thing they're just there to have a good time yeah they'd have the time of their lives yeah absolutely and everyone there would be super jacked to see them too yes you know you go to another meet yeah i mean there's just random people there whatever but everyone there would know who they are and be genuinely excited to see them and if uh finn goes for a 500 pound bench and gets it there's just random people there, whatever. But everyone there would know who they are and be genuinely excited to see them. And if Finn goes for a 500-pound bench and gets it, there's no meat he's going to do that he's going to get a comparable fanfare to what will happen here at this meet. Between the competitors and the fan, because the fans will get,

the crowd will get hyped up, too. And Gino. Yes. Yes. Like, we'll get Gino going on it. You know, we've got the announcer. I talked to Gino this week. Yeah, we didn't talk about that either.

He's just... Did you just call him out of the blue? No, he called me and he just wanted to just talk a little bit about the meet and stuff and he's very excited about it, but we talked about the Arnold a little bit and the USAPL meet

is happening. The USAPL meet now is going to be in the convention center. That should be pretty cool. Yeah. That's as far as I'm concerned, that's great because we might catch a little bit of it that way. I think it's on the opposite end of us though, isn't it?

Okay. I thought I saw, I think Meg squats had a post on Instagram talking about it and it was the far, you know, we're when you walk in, we're on the right side. I think it's on the far left side is where it's at now.

I don't like that far left side. I know. We don't get over there ever. No. That's like the other side of the world as far as I'm concerned. Stan's efforting the cooler booth was on the far left side once like five years ago. What? So far away.

Yeah. A cooler within a cooler. I think that's why the cooler went defunct because he chose to have his booth on that far left side. Yep. That did it. Do not go over there. That's no man's land. Okay.

I'm laughing. I'm laughing looking at our list here, Tanner, because we started this episode with like six things on it, and I don't think we've touched any of these six things that were on our list. We really haven't much, have we? No, we have not. I guess we talked about the Arnold a little bit there, but I didn't just we're gearing up pretty hard for the Arnold. Yeah. Right now we got some fun things coming.

I think we've got three shirts that we're kind of going to unveil at the Arnold. You know, not all together. You know, it's three shirts that are not on our. Well, maybe even like four that aren't on our website right now. It might be four. That aren't on our website right now. It might be four. That aren't on our website. We've got a special, some special Arnold stuff, including a sticker that I just love. It's like my, the most meaningless, meaningless thing that I love right now is that Arnold sticker.

And yeah, we're working on that stuff though. Right. We're getting, we're getting things together. Always working over here. Yeah. Three weeks out. Can't hold,

we can't, you really can't hold anything back at this point in time. Then of note, speaking of, uh, conventions and things like that, nothing official yet, but I would just say it's worth mentioning.

Uh, we talked about it a little. Who did we have on last week? Kurt. Kurt Locker. So it was last week. We did broach the subject last week that Massanomics could go to home gym con, and we don't have an announcement to make on that yet. But let's just say we did putting some pencil to paper over here.

Yeah, yeah. And I would say it is definitely possible that you could be seeing Massanomics. It's definitely possible that you could be seeing Massanomics at home gym con in some capacity to be continued on that though, right? Yes. Right. It's definitely a possibility.

We've got the Arnold to get through first here. Ain't that the truth? Talk about putting the cart before the horse. Sheesh. Sheesh. I like sheesh. That's good. Do we want to talk about these USAPL qualifying totals?

Maybe we can do that. Yeah, that one's not a super big. I think we can talk about that. We can save the other one. Yeah, I don't know that we'll go into way in-depth of this because it's not our bag, baby. But I would say that the USAPL for 2025, they significantly increased the qualifying totals for nationals.

And overall, that seems like a good thing to me. That just makes sense, doesn't it? I think now when I look at the numbers, to me, this is where a national-level competition should be. And this does... Nationals does depend a lot on what your definition of a national level competition should be. And this does, nationals does depend a lot on what your definition of a national level competition is. Is a national level competition

just let everyone in the nation compete? Or is it, no, this is a exclusive event meant for the top people in the nation. And to me, that's what it feels like a national level event should be. It is an event to get the best in the nation together. And when the totals are really low, you're not getting the best in the nation.

You're just getting everyone in the nation together. Yeah, that's true. And so I, do you have the numbers on hand, Tanner? I do. Here's one, for example, the 100 kilos. I'm not going to go through all of them because they're in kilos and I just, I'm not going to do the math on all of them.

But 100 kilogram class, which is the 220 class, that'd be a good one to reference. The qualifying total now for that is 1,819 pounds. So that's a big number. That is a big number. That's definitely going to separate some wheat and chaff. But it used to be like, was it 1,500 or something like that? It used to be insanely low.

Right. Oh, for sure like to the point where it just felt like i was just like one good training year away from qualifying and i'm like i'm not an elite lifter at all why would i be a national competitor that doesn't make any sense to me the 242 class isn't much higher it's 1835 for the total uh the 275 class is 1852. Wow. So that 220 is pretty stout then. Yeah, the 220 I guess is a big line in the sand sort of.

But the super heavyweight is 1881, almost 1900 pounds. Let me just look at one lighter one. The 181 class is 1758. I yeah i mean it's big numbers yeah you gotta be lifting 17 plus to to really be showing up i i have no problem with that i think that makes total sense to me that is an exclusive event that is for the top tier people let the top tier people be there so there is no submasters so that kind of, kind of screws me. There's masters, which I'm getting pretty close to. What would my masters number? Let's just,

am I two 42 or that's the question now? Am I two 42 or two 75? But yeah, no man's land right now. Yeah. Let's just say I was two 75. That's 700 kilos. About one 1544.

Yeah. So I could make nationals as a masters's all right not as an open road to nationals starts now i could yep not true not shooting for it but i just purely curious like i just hypothetically if a guy were to train, seriously. I could not make the open. Like, the total is, like, I've done, like, 1,700 of the totals, like, 150 pounds more than my best ever. But for the Masters, the total is, like, 200 pounds less than my best ever, almost, so that seems possible.

Golden. So there's still hope. I just got to play the waiting game. Longevity, baby. Yep. So, yeah, I think that's appropriate for those to go up, though, right? Mm- possible. Golden. So there's still hope. I just got to wait, play the waiting game. Longevity. Maybe. Yep. So yeah, I think that's appropriate for those to go up though. Right?

Totally. No complaints here. All for it. Totally. Totally. I got to give credit here, Tanner. I just saw this name on our list and just reminded me it.

Daniel McKim has always has lots of very funny skits if you don't follow him make sure to check those out but he had one about 75 hard and it was hilarious it uh it just 75 hard when your grandpa takes Viagra yeah but I I gotta give him props that 75 hard skinny had made me laugh very, very hard. And it was so relevant to what is going on with people at this time right now. Would you say it made you laugh 75 hard?

Well, I wasn't lift. I wasn't laughing twice a day outside. So I don't know if it was, if I was laughing. So yeah, 75 hard is what that's andy forcilla i believe so yes and it's like just doing shit for 75 straight days or mental mental toughness

which i would also say you're maybe there's some people this helps your 75 hard is handicapped significantly by where you live like people that live in the South, their 75 hard is like, no, that's just life. That's easy. You live around here, your 75 hard is so goddamn hard. You're not even playing the same game as everyone else. Over the last month, the month prior that we experienced it, we just wouldn't even be safe. No, it actually wouldn't be. Because what were you supposed to do outside?

Are you supposed to do two workouts a day and one of them has to be outside for a minimum of 10 minutes? I mean, if it's 30 minutes, that's not even doable. I don't even know if it would have been safe to be outside for, no, it wouldn't have been safe to be outside for 30 minutes. You actually are an idiot if you're doing that. Right, right.

Especially for an online challenge. Yeah, some nice, nice weather we've been having lately though. Oh God. It was like 50 some degrees. Yeah, it was really windy today, but still 50 degrees in beginning of Februarybruary that's unheard of our snow just disappeared in the last two weeks here it's been uh it's felt like uh i've never lived in seattle but the last like week has felt like i lived in seattle because it's just been like i don't know if it ever rained but the road was like wet 24 like for five days in a row oh your car is just filthy actually when i drove

to aberdeen i had to stop i started my journey in sioux falls i had to stop at a gas station right away and clean my headlights off because they were so caked with dirty muddy water that i couldn't see it i was yeah it's really filthy right now. Everything's very filthy. Could use a real town makeover right now. Everything's very dirty. And like the gross, what's the remnants of snow piles that are around? People don't realize the remnants of snow piles are just mud and dirt. Yeah, what's wet dirt? It's just mud.

Dirt piles. It's like, how is there so much dirt in that snow pile? Just everywhere. Well, and also when the roads get bad, people throw dirt on the roads. They throw gravel on the roads. So you just have more gravel around. It's a muddy, muddy mess. But it has been nice enough now for a while that it is starting to come around

that it's not quite as messy, I feel like. Right, right. Well, I mean, we don't have any snow left in our yard or anything like that. You know, it's... Hopefully it doesn't snow anymore this year. Oh, God, that'd be nice. That would be... Just get us through the Arnold with no issues.

That's honestly what I just hope. I just don't want it to be like a blizzard on the Arnold weekend. No. Like, let us get out of... Let us get south and east far enough. I remember every... It can even snow after the Arnold weekend. No. Like, let us get out of, let us get south and east far enough. I remember every year. It can even snow after the Arnold. Yeah, I don't care.

Let it snow after the Arnold. It's gone in a couple days. Right. Actually, all the other years we'd go to the Arnold, there'd be one day, it'd be 50 there. You'd be like, whoa, 50 degrees?

I haven't felt this in six months. And here we are in February in South Dakota feeling 50 degrees. Was it really icy when we drove last year at in south dakota feeling 50 degrees was it really icy when we drove last year at the beginning it was remember just east of sioux city i remember it was yeah you mean when i when my heart perfectly sunny day loaded out of my yeah and all of a sudden the entire vehicle's going sideways and what's going on here yeah that wasn't fun yeah yeah i remember that that i nearly shat my pants yeah and then we thought it was good and

then about a mile later it did the same thing and i'm like oh nope not good yeah not good at all that semi's flying by it's like how are you going how are they doing i mean i guess i get how you're doing it you just don't give a shit you're just like got places to go. Yeah. You know what else we've got to go to do? Build fast formula supplements. I wasn't sure how to make the transition. That was pretty seamless. I just did it. Quite seamless.

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We got some very... some of, I would, I'm going to go out on a limb here, Tanner. I don't do this often, but I'm going out on the limb right now. We might have our best stretch of videos we've ever made coming out. And actually, I'm going to say, I'm going to say these are our best stretch of videos ever.

I'll let the viewer be the judge on their end, but as far as I'm concerned, this is going to be our best stretch of videos ever. Starting with one coming out tomorrow that will already be out. And then the one comes out the week that you're listening to this. We have another awesome one.

And after that, and the week after that, and the week after that, we are on to something here. It's starting right now. We always got to sell ourselves and sell the stuff that we're doing. So we always say stuff like that. But I think you're actually spot on.

We have taken a new direction. Or we've refined. So we always say stuff like that. But I think you're actually spot on. We have taken a new direction. Or we've refined a direction we've used in the past. We've refined our, we've built, we kind of even said it's taken us like a year to figure out our formula. And I think we're, I think we got something going there that we, we've taken pieces and parts of ways we've done it before

and like built that into what we're doing now. And I really, I really like it. They're fun that into what we're doing now and i really it's fun they're fun to do they're fun to watch they feel natural they feel effortless i'm excited for this upcoming slate of videos yeah so that'll wrap us up this week maybe next week we'll talk about influencers that are running businesses where are they running to them to into the ground spoiler alert yeah Influencers that are running businesses, where are they running them to? Into the ground at times. Spoiler alert. Yeah.

Into the ground. Sheesh. Sheesh. That and much more on episode 411 of the Massonomics Podcast. Tommy, where do they find you at? 411. Amber is the color of my energy. Something like that, right?

Yeah, yeah. You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird, but just please, for God's sakes, make sure to follow Mastonomics at Mastonomics. See ya. We'll see you next time.