Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 425: Does Light Weight Strongman Get the Credit It Deserves?

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

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Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side and everything. Massonomics. Welcome everyone for episode 425 of the Massonomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from Western Northeast, South Dakota and Eastern Southeast South Dakota. We've got two of the four corners covered at least. We've got a guest coming on later this episode. We've got a lot of topics to get to. I don't even know how we'll get to them all.

We might just not. But before I get more into that, I should let you know that my name is Tanner. In case you don't know that by now. And my name is Tommy. There could be someone tuning in for the first time here this week, and they don't know what our names are. So now they do. At least one of you out there.

Must have been Blue Shirt Night on the podcast, huh? Big blue shirt guys over here. Ryan in the Discord asked if this is a new shirt. No, it is not. This is the Icon T. The Icon T has existed in gray and blue. It first existed in gray and then existed in blue. That's what I thought.

And I do not have the gray one. I would like to have that one because I do like the Icon T. I only have the gray, but it's in a large, and that's not my preferred size these days, so it doesn't get worn too much. Yeah, I know how that goes. This episode is brought to you by our fine, reputable friends over at The Strength Co. The Strength Co. makes the best made-in-America Olympic iron barbell plates.

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if you're a watcher of the podcast on our YouTube. On May 30th, Thursday, this week, we have a very cool beans drop coming. I'll tell you this much. We're not going to give everything away. We're not going to give you all the secrets away today because it's to come, and we want it to be a bit of a surprise. We want to have a little bit of mystery there. So I would say it is a very cool beans drop.

It's a collaboration it's limited edition uh and how else could i describe it in ways that would make you want to buy it quickly um exclusive yeah yeah it is a collaboration and it is there is a unique part of the bundle you know there's something unique in this bundle that we've never sold before, so we're excited for it. Just trying to think if there's anything else I could say about it without giving away the farm, but it will be pretty sweet, so be on the alert Thursday afternoon. That'll drop May 30th.

The cool beans drop, and it is cool beans. It is, and you don't want to be on the wrong side of history on this one. This is something you don't want to miss out on. Because this is one thing, you know, if you miss out on it, you might never get a chance to get it again, is probably the most likely scenario. So don't miss it. We have an exciting guest coming up later this episode.

Big Andrew Haines is going to join us, who we just talked to recently at Home Gym Con and the Arnold this year. So we're going to get to have a chat with him. But before we do that, we've got several other topics here. We do have a can this week. Should we jump into a can? Actually, yeah. I'm pretty thirsty, so that's a good idea.

And this is a can. Tommy, I think you've got the same thing over there. This is a can. You are correct think you've got the same thing over there a can you are correct this came to us from the arnold it just got kind of pushed to the side for a while and we found it well i really i had your can you did so i waited until i saw you last and we dropped it off this has been in the works a while then this was from big hogan he gave us to this i was wondering i feel like he gave us a can. I could not remember for sure. And what do we got here?

Blackberry citrus. It's a Kroger one. And I would say the initial smells are pretty top notch. Kroger. Seltzer water. Zero calories. Caffeine free. Splashed myself in the face when I opened it. That ain't too shabby.

That's a little different. I'm not even much of a blackberry guy, but this ranks pretty high for me for blackberry stuff. Now, give me a good blackberry brandy and seven up any day of the week, am I right? Blackberry brandy and eggnog. Ooh, that's what my old roommates used to like to drink because they're seasonal drink. That sounds what my old roommates used to like to drink as their seasonal drink.

That sounds like it would make me puke. I wouldn't drink it because it sounds like the worst thing ever. I don't think those are supposed to go together. I'm not really sure why they did that, but that's what they did. Nothing wrong with a little blackberry brandy from time to time, except for the taste, the quality. Yeah. Or if you mix it with eggnog,

there might be something wrong with that too. Yeah, yeah. Okay, what do we want to talk about first this week? I go three and a half. Oh, yeah, what do you? I go three and a half. That's very close to four, though, for me. I think three and a half is a safe range too.

Something else coming this week. I don't know if we'll do it the same day as the drop or what day the youtube video will come out this week but um wait am i confused on that yeah that actually comes out like tomorrow oh that video the youtube video yeah so here's the deal you you did the barbell tour at heavy metal barbell yes and i hadn't seen that at all until just like two hours ago i finally saw it yes god i keep so i didn't know anything i knew nothing about it this happened like a month ago probably and i knew nothing this was over uh i think this was the end of march actually okay okay so by the time anyone's listening to this the video is out on our youtube and it is really cool just so you did enjoy the

video yeah i i assume everyone's gonna enjoy the video it is it is really cool this tour of heavy heavy metal barbell and they make barbells for the strength co and a whole bunch of other people and um it is pretty interesting it is good stuff i think i think i would assume everyone's gonna be pretty interested in that. I tried looking around before I even went there. I had a hard time finding a video that felt like it was worth watching that talked about how a barbell was made. I've never seen anything quite like it before either. And I've still probably would have seen something. It was still fairly high level. You know, like the video itself is about a 15 minute video and it takes you through

most steps of the process. But I was, I was with them for an entire day. So I got to ask them like a thousand questions. Plus the guy where we're at heavy metal barbell, the founder of the company is the guy that invented power blocks. So he has all this history and knowledge of this, of just the strength and fitness world. And, oh yeah, I worked with so-and-so and he worked here and he did this. And I mean, he knows everyone because he's been around in the actual industry for decades so just so much experience so much knowledge he invented power blocks yeah i invented power blocks so yeah it was just like it was so cool just to hear all the stories and hear them talk about just making barbells through the years and just all the things they've done it was and then

actually getting to see it happen and not just see it happen but get to ask like a thousand questions about the process to where now i actually feel fairly educated about uh how a barbell comes to be yeah so don't miss that youtube video either because it is it is interesting um it should get a lot of views if it doesn't that'd be just be a absolute shame. I was going to say, just the fact that you said that means that now it might not. Yeah, and I came to it from, you know, it's fun for me because usually I'm, if I'm not even, if I'm not

in the video, I'm held the camera or, you know, some combination of those two. You were totally fresh on this one. Yeah, and I was like, oh, sweet. This is like just getting to, I just got to sit down and enjoy a Massonomics YouTube video. it's pretty fun so that video was the first time so that actually there were several challenges with that video so first of all i'm showing up to this place i've it's an owatonna minnesota well their first they have multiple an office

in a warehouse but the office i show up to is in owatonna minnesota which is about an hour from the cities or not even an hour 45 minutes i think I think from the cities. And, uh, I walk in and first I'm like, do they even have any clue like who massonomics is or any, and so they did, they knew massonomics. And so got to just talk with the guys for a long time. But then we drive to the location where their warehouses are, where the, uh, the machining shop is, where they actually do this stuff. And so we get out there. And so I'm in this, I'm with this group of guys that I've never met before. I'm in a location where I've never been before. I'm shoot the first time ever I've shot a video while also being the guy that's trying to ask questions and also like,

you know, ringing up the, doing all of it. You know, normally like we kind of almost in a way split that work because I'm like, I know Tanner, once once i'm running the camera i know i can kind of focus on my thing and tanner knows how to keep that we've done this long enough he knows how to keep the pacing keep things moving and i might throw in a few things here and there yes and i'm like i'm totally like running the whole thing solo here and i remember when i got done with that i'm just thinking like oh if there was a time that the sound wouldn't work it would be this time i was so paranoid that like something wasn't right and then i got home reviewed at all i'm like i actually think this looks okay and it worked out fine oh i think it came out really good too so sound audio video everything is really cool yeah it's good it's a good video so check that out

people and we've seen a little traction on the massonomics youtube it has it has been going better yes we're we're very excited about that it's probably the thing we're the most excited about right now is massonomics youtube so if you're not subscribing to that yet go check it out because we've had some pretty good videos uh popping up on there every week uh speaking of people popping up brian was back guess who's back he's back again brian was back uh brian j 1008 the brian the infamous brian if you've been a listener of follow on instagram everyone knows who we're talking about. There was a meme.

What was the meme about that he followed us back? Oh, it was a plan as fitness. It was Tom Cruise. Maybe we should give just a really quick recap. The original recap was this. Maybe six months ago, it was when Taylor Swift first started going to Chiefs games. And you posted. What was the meme you posted? It was some Taylor Swift meme.

I think it was the breaking news memes that we put out every once in a while it was breaking news a picture of taylor swift and then it was like she's going to be at the american pro to watch john hack okay like saying that she's gonna be and like some people thought that that was serious i think like yeah some world somehow it's so dumb somehow. It's so dumb. Yeah. And, uh, or then Brian left the comment saying unfollowed. Thanks for making that easy. Right. Isn't that what, yeah.

Thanks for making that. And everyone is just immediately turned into no Brian. Don't leave. No, there's all these people like just tons and tons of comments. So this, this little thing lived in infamy because it got so much traction of, and there's just so many memes made and you couldn't even explain why it wasn't like,

we've certainly gotten way worse comments. Oh, it was just the stupid stupidity. Yeah. It just fed off itself. So Brian left, we've tried to keep in contact with him and he's just kind of left us hanging.

He's turned us down on being on the podcast. He's acted like he didn't know that, uh, like his comment was getting like a thousand likes and hundreds of replies. He's playing dumb a little bit, Brian was. And then you posted the Tom Cruise. I don't watch Tom Cruise movies. What clip was that even from?

That could have been any movie he's ever been in. It was a clip of Tom Cruise running from a building. I'm sure that scene exists in every Tom Cruise movie ever made. Right. So yeah, it's him running from a building. And what did the text say on it? It was like me leaving Planet Fitness after I blow up the toilets and break all the barbells. Yes.

And that's what brought him back, right? Yeah. He commented, ha, ha, he commented ha ha ha ha ha ha and i saw this comment and i was like wait that is brian and then not more than 30 seconds later brian followed massonomics it would be impossible to think that he forgot what mass he's like what's this account i should follow it you know um so then later that day naturally we had to post the taylor swift just had to test the waters you had to see yeah feel the situation out and maybe you know the first taylor swift meme it was a it was a slide

of taylor swift memes and the first one wasn't too bad the first one was just like um my girl when i show her my very average gym lifts that was a great one he's underneath that they're actually well below i think yeah dr mike shared that too um they are actually well below average but then the second one if you slide over is travis kelsey and taylor swift kissing each other and someone in the crew made this one and Travis Kelsey is massonomics and Taylor Swift is Brian and he Brian commented on that one he goes this is ridiculous unfollowed and at that point he did unfollow at that point I really thought oh he is playing the game to perfection he's like just teasing everyone now i thought he was going to hit unfollow and then the next day he'd be back but

he's gone right now isn't he but so the question like that comment this is ridiculous unfollowed like i could see how someone could be a little offended by that thing showing like their instagram handle over taylor swift kissing like a guy and the guy is labeled as massonomic i mean i don't know if it's that offensive, but you'd be maybe be like, that's weird. It's after we've done enough things. That's maybe the one thing that the internet gives you is if you have an

internet based companies, you get a little thicker skin of people say really dumb and really bad negative stuff about you. Right. Like I see something like that and I'm like, Oh, that's not bad at all. No,

that's not even, it's not really a shot. It is're like, I see something like that, and I'm like, oh, that's not bad at all. No, that's not even, it's not really a shot. It is just funny, I think, in my opinion. I don't even know, it could be, maybe it laughs at ourself as much as it does Brian even, too. But that comment, this is ridiculous, unfollowed. Like, could that be real, or is he in on it at this point? I thought for sure that that was fake when i said like i thought that that was a i thought this guy is some mastermind maybe i'm giving him too

much credit now again though maybe i'm just hoping that that's what he is here there is some theory out there that we or i am brian and have always been brian And I will say I am not Brian. Well, but I can't have like follower. Does he have a private page? Yeah, there's like a profile picture, but you can see the numbers. Like he has a few hundred followers or something. That would take quite a bit of planning, I feel like. But is it crazy to think we would have done that?

Like it's not completely crazy that it could have been done. I mean, I would, I can tell you, I wouldn't take the time to do that. No, I wouldn't either. And we didn't. And it's not anyone we know. We do not, just for the record, we are not Brian and we do not know how, who Brian is. But for all, for what we understand, Brian is a real person. I don't know at this point if brian is in on it or not you know

if brian is like uh this is funny like i'm gonna try and say something that they'll think is funny or if he's legitimately saw that and was like unfollowed right yeah they're kissing me and i'm taylor swift this is public ridicule i'm out yes so that's our brian update to be continued you think we'll ever get him back again it's funny because we went six months with him having unfollowed us we got him back for a few hours 12 hours you know within about five hours we got him down fought back follow us again like we ruined it so quickly um but i it was impossible not to do it i mean if he ever comes back just he just has to know he's gonna be just getting hit with taylor swift memes yes yes so to be continued with brian wow what a tangled web yeah what do you been

grilling or something time oh? Oh, okay. What are you, the grill sergeant? I got it. Okay, we got... If you've ever been in the Mastodonics Discord, first of all, if you haven't, go to mastodonics.com slash join. You should be in the Discord. But we have a pretty devoted group of guys in there

that are grilling and smoking meats all the time. And... Well, they're smoking meats, all right. Yes, they are. And I got to... Those guys love smoking meats. I cannot remember. I'm sure we've talked about it before,

but I just don't ever remember discussing grilling with you. Like, do you run a grill in the summer at least once a week? Yeah. Here's what I would say. Yes, the answer is yes. We use a grill-to-grill burgers or steaks and stuff like that. We live in South Dakota so you know you can't really do it you can kind of do it in the winter if you put your grill in the exact right spot and you're like out there for five seconds at a time but sometimes a year it is just miserable to be outside on the grill but

for like six months of the year we're're using our grill regularly. But I am not a big grill guy. I mean, I use it. I'm just saying like it's not a passion. You know, some people, it's not a passion of mine. But like if you guys are cooking on the grill, like does your wife ever do the grilling? Yeah, yeah. She does it a lot too. Yeah.

But like if she's gone in the summer, it's very likely that I would go grill burgers on the grill or something like that. Okay, but you do grill regularly. You understand the ins and outs of your grill. Good enough. I'm not saying I'm great at grill. I wouldn't want to... If there's a big party...

Yes, and that's where I'm at too. It's like, no, I know how to make food the way I want it on there, and I understand how to not burn my shit and how to get it out. Like, right. It tastes good and correct. Like, I think I got that down.

Well, so that was more of a means to an end. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like to me, I totally get the guys like, Hey man, I,

I wish I was the guy that could like just chill at the grill. That's, that would be awesome. Like my brother, Ryan. Oh man, he'll cook wings and it'll somehow make it take like four hours and I'm like dude they're great when they come out and the process is fun but that is a process for sure right so I do like using the grill because I do like the way meat comes out on it a lot better

tastes a lot better and so I use it fairly regularly and we had it was probably two weeks ago there was actual tornado warnings in the area some very very strong winds and our deck is up fairly high and the wind i didn't hear it at the time probably because the wind was so crazy but the next morning i opened the uh opened the shades look outside and our grill is laying on the deck. And I'm like, oh my. Oh, I thought you were going to say it was laying on the ground below. Oh God, no.

That would be like. It fell like 15 feet to the ground and shattered into it. That would be bad if that happened, yeah. But the grill was laying on the deck, and I'm like, no, and I can just see it like in pieces. And first of all, the grease. I hadn't cleaned this damn grill in a long time. So the grease tray had poured out all over the decks.

There's grease. And then it's dripping down into the patio below it, which was just a nightmare cleaning that up. Then the damn thing was so rusted out that when it fell, it like just put all of these just greasy rust chunks everywhere. So it was a nightmare cleaning that up. And then when I picked it up, I realized that like the, I don't even know what the proper terminology is like the gas lines for the

burners that are in it yeah almost all those had snapped off so the grill was now no longer functioning and uh my wife she actually bought me that grill for my wife i think for my birthday and we were debating the year but it was was when we, when I lived in the original, original studio, whatever that was. So it was at least six years old. It might've been at Tyler's house, not at Tyler's house, but the ones when we were doing it, um, it was at least six years old. It could have been eight years old. It was probably closer to eight, which I think is a pretty good lifetime for a relatively cheap grill. Yeah. For the kind of grills that like guys like you and I are buying.

Yeah, I'm not buying. Five, six, seven, eight years is... It was like probably a $200 grill at the time at max. Right. At max. Yeah. So she says, yeah,

you need to go buy a new one. And I'm like excited to buy a new one, but that also means you got to put the damn thing together. And I'm not excited for that because I just don't want to be doing that. But we needed to eat. So I had to go get the grill. I had to go go go get the grill I go to

Menards get the grill I find the exact same one as what I have right now it's just the slightly updated version you know they moved the logo over here otherwise the whole thing's the exact same thing so I put it together uh I start using it and I'm like whoa this I'm like finally realized first of all actually just opening them both up and looking inside. It was a, it was a drastically different picture looking inside what the new one is should look like compared to the completely rusted out bad one. Right. And then I realized, I don't think that like the burners that heat food on my old one for

like the last few years had been, I think like 90% of them didn't work. There was really only like one little strip where heat was just enough. Yeah. It's just enough. Like where it's like, okay, if it's not directly over that, it's not cooking and using this thing, it feels like I'm using some space age technology. Like it's just man food cooks just because it works. It cooks evenly. It cooks so much better. It gets the temperature better. It stays at temperature. It's just, I feels like I'm living in the future now so i've been really enjoying grilling these past few days now that i have a grill that's not totally been through uh like eight harsh south dakota winters because i don't put that damn thing in in the winter either it's sitting out all winter for me

no that's what you do you just leave it out and like a grill's gonna last about that long i think that's that's the way i look at that like i've had grill covers before too and they also blow away yeah the south dakota dakota breeze and stuff like that you just i think you just factor in that it's gonna be a piece of shit in about five or six years that's why i just that's so like this would end up being i think it was 250 you add in that 10%, 11% Menards rebate. Oh, saved big money, didn't you? That's right.

So you're looking at like $225-ish, which to me, yeah, you look at even six years. It's not that much per year to run that thing. No. Yeah, that's all right. I'm on team disposable grill. I don't need to be babying that thing. No, don't babysit coats, and I don't need to, I don't need to be baby in that thing. No,

I don't babysit coats and I don't take extra nice care of my grills. My wife had said before a few times like, Oh, we should get into like a smoking meat and stuff like that. And I'm like, sounds like a good idea. And I'm sure it's fun. I just don't have the bandwidth for an extra hobby at this point because

that's what that is. There's a hobby. Yeah. Or you have to wake up and plan like, all right, this is what we're going to eat today. And I got to get right. the bandwidth for an extra hobby at this point because that's what that is is a hobby yeah or you have to wake up and plan like all right this is what we're going to eat today and i got to get right get after it this morning so it's ready for tonight potentially i love it when other people do it oh yeah i'm all about it that's just not my forte but i could see doing getting into it more someday you know when i have maybe a little less going on and i could uh appreciate the appreciate it a little bit more the finer the like like if i had a weekend

where that's all i had to do like that was the main thing on my agenda i'd be like well this is the best weekend ever it's like the four-year-old virgin it's like yes i uh went to the store i was gonna make this egg salad and i got this stuff, and then I was just too tired, so I didn't make my egg salad. Like, that's his response to, what did you do this weekend? Yes. Okay, we do have a sack. We do have a sack. We've got a couple other topics here.

I wonder if we should wait on kind of the equipment and training stuff yeah after our guest okay what about the sack do we want to look at the sack i want to see the sack okay so first there's a letter oh it's personalized yes this is from meat and Muscles Barbecue LLC. Oh, wow. How's that for timing? Yes. What's up, Big Tanner and Big Tommy? Actually, it's Big Tommy and Big Tanner. You're first.

You said you love my meat. Now you get to put it in your mouth. Here's a couple samples of what I'm bringing to the meat in July. M-E-E-T. Love love what you guys do and i can't wait to get to aberdeen thank you big braden floor owner meat and muscles barbecue jerky with an attitude meat and muscles we got his uh business card right here oh yeah I like it who's the business card guy the movie

Batman Christian Bale what's his name in the actual movie though Patrick Bateman is that what it is so what he sent us now to get to the meat and potatoes of the sack so to speak first of all he sent us each a shirt yeah so here's an xl that'd be about your size

tommy medium yeah and you got his sweet i like that yeah it. It's got the cowboy skull with the cross butcher knives. Meat and muscles. Jerky with an attitude. There's one for me. And then the most important part here. The jerky. Yes. Yeah, that's the good stuff.

I'm excited for that. Oh, LGS Habanero Burn. Is that Let's Get Stupid? LGS Habanero Burn. What's LGS? Is that Let's Get Stupid? Oh, nice. Right?

Isn't this their guy? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. And so he's coming. I guess I didn't say it. He's coming. He's going to have a little booth set up at the Lift Hard Leave Easy Classic for his jerky. Yeah.

Whiskey Bent is the other flavor. Sweet. So there's two of each. So I think jerky keeps so I can keep it until I – actually, I've got to send you a package here this week so I can throw it right in there. Yeah. Just load it up.

Yep. So thank you to Big Braden. Big Braden. Thank you. Hooking it up yep so thank you for to big braden big braden thank you hooking it up coming in coming through in the clutch how about a little supporting our supporting members how about it didn't write down that much this week actually last week we had like 50 of them so this week's going to be a little shorter so supporting our supporting members is this relatively new segment of the podcast where we give back to those that give to us that those that support massonomics we support them in return we do that by the segment you know they are official supporting members you can become one too if you're interested you go to massonomics.com join on our website and there you can see the different

membership options and hey if you're a listener of this podcast, a regular listener, and you've thought before, hey, should I become a supporting member? And then you thought, no, no, I shouldn't. Rethink it and go to massonomics.com slash join. At least go to the website. Do this for me. If you're listening, you're a semi-regular listener, go to massonomics.com slash join. Check it out.

Maybe you'll think it's a good idea to join up this time. And we'd love to see you. We'd love to have you. We love all of the supporting members. But this week, here's the ones we love the most. Big Scott Dodds did a strongman competition that I missed from last time. He trained up a weight class. Don't know what place Scott got for sure.

I think maybe he got second. I'm kind of making that up, though. I can just picture him getting second. If I think of Scott, he's definitely a top three kind of guy. Yeah. Then last week, an unpaid and underrated Big Tyler from Massanomics Gym, lifter in the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic coming up here soon in July. She was the guest.

in the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic coming up here soon in July. She was the guest. And then this week, Big Chad, Big Chad Ahucci was the guest this week. Big hanging Chad, if you will. So thank you to those supporting members, and thank you to everyone that supports the Massonomics Podcast. We really appreciate it. Okay, you just made me, you just are making me

second guess myself now, Tanner. I'm going to have a quick answer to this here in just a second. Where is it? Oh, never mind. Okay. Nope. You're making me get my Tyler's mixed around.

Oh, Tyler Hines. Yeah. Not Tyler Stone. I don't know if you get okay nope you're making me get my tyler's mixed around oh tyler heintz yeah not tyler stone i don't know if you get confused of which yeah tyler stone's the he's the really tall guy i always get him mixed up the beard and some tattoos and he's the guy we podcasted yeah i still don't really remember who that is. It's been... With the... Oh. It's been a while. It's been a while since we podcasted with that guy, to be fair.

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The cops will be showing up at your house. Well, I shouldn't have sent all those penis pictures. All right, so we're here with Big Andrew Hainas, who we've seen you twice this year in the last couple minutes, actually. We just got to see you at Home Gym Con here a few weeks ago, and then at the Arnold, where we've seen you the last few years also so we're getting our big andrew fix in this year yeah you are yeah hopefully not too much uh never too much there's no such thing as too much if you ask us

uh first question someone told us uh i'm not sure if this is accurate or not. You can probably clarify. Did I pronounce your name correctly? I lost you a second. Oh, okay. Let me do this because it's trying to automatically reconnect back to the, you'll have to go flush it down the toilet, right? Brand new DJI mic.

What the heck? Yeah. All right. Sorry. your first question yeah first question probably the most important right here off the bat let's hear it i think i said your name right i said heinous but someone said the h is silent well i spent nine years in the military so the h was definitely silent for nine years. You know, funny enough, though, growing up, never got teased or bullied or anything like that with my last name. Not until my T.I. saw the last name and stopped, looked up at me and said, what the F? And that's when it began.

You had to wait until everyone was more mature it was a more mature level of humor right right right yeah no it's it's pronounced you know i grew up with it being called hannes and then now i've come to learn oh yeah tommy can you hear him no i think we lost you again yeah we all have these oh there we go oh we did you still hear me we allow audio come in at there yeah we have these like really weird heritage heritages and i'm part lithuanian on my great-grandfather's side or my great-grandfather was judas avicus um you know what i've tried to draw those parallels and it's not going to happen but um come to find out that my name is actually shortened um and that it's

actually a very common name in lithuania and they're supposed to be like a little asterisk over the h or over the s and it's hanush but it's supposed to be like hanush like whoever came over shortened it and I don't think they made the connection of the English word for anus they weren't worried about that at the time yeah yeah that's fair so we did see at home Jim Conn you were what like running the strongman show

the one day and also you were doing some emceeing when, uh, during the log, uh, lift and you did a really good job, uh, running the mic on that. Oh, well, thank you. Um, that was impromptu. I mean, I'd like public speaking. I was, uh, asked last minute by Jake to sort of, you know, emcee the log event. Uh, I think the, I managed to do it successfully with short notice. I'm really bad with names. And so I don't remember everybody's name was or some people are new. And so it was

kind of fun to just do that on the fly. And nice to have, you know, the chance to even do that. Because last year, when Jake first invited me to home gym con, he said, come do a log lift off. I was like, well, sure. And so kind of seeing it grow the second year was really cool. I think the second year we might have had three or four times the number of individuals come up and lift. And then I helped Kurt with some of the planning and the logistics. And then the day of for the strongman throwdown, which was a huge success. That was a blast. Exhausting that we were down on volunteers. And so the four of us kind of four and a half running around the entire time

and resetting every single implement for almost 48 athletes was exhausting, but so fun. I do it again. I believe the exhausting part. So do you, do you live fairly close to there? Like you've been to home gym con both years, then the, like is that a drive for you? It was about eight hours. So I currently live in Madison, Wisconsin. Right. Been here for about two years and yes seven eight hours depending on how many stops

you make you know how many chipotles and taco bells you gotta stop to on the way there and um we did at least one ourselves did you really yeah we stopped at a taco bell at like one in the morning on our way there the first night so uh not and it was open it was but uh it was definitely it was the beast yeah the. It was the B team. Yeah, the C team was cooking. I don't know if they actually put meat in our quesadillas. They actually didn't really put cheese in them either. More just a shell, actually.

Hopefully that was a really good tortilla at one in the morning. I've had better. You road tripped with Big Deadliest Lift, didn't you? Did you guys ride together to home? Yeah. Yeah, he lives rightliest lift. And she, did you guys ride together to home? Yeah. Yeah. He lives right down the street from me, actually. I mean, 20 minutes on the other side of Madison, but, uh, we have, we were in the same neighborhood.

We share the same gyms. Uh, when we do leave our home gyms to go out and train at a mad town and sometimes over at primal fitness. Did you see, so we've, um, did you see him to the dark side of strong man? Did you see Arnold just reposted him? Isn amazing dude that's no i didn't see that yeah arnold reposted him on lift it was when he was doing that he did at home yeah was it when he was standing on the plates is that what it was yeah he's standing on two 45s or 55s and he picks up the uh the camber bar um you know for squatting he uses that as the deadlift

handle and it must have been a 30 second deadlift i mean well because he's balancing the whole time that was just amazing so yeah mark uh i i think somebody mentioned from the home gym community they mentioned they were trying to get them to come out. And one of the days that we were at Madtown here in Madison, we, um, I told him, you know, home gym con was a blast. You should consider doing it. Come do the deadlift party. I just watched him, you know, weekend before pulled nine 50 or something on a, on a mammoth bar.

And so I thought it'd be a lot of fun to have him. Plus his following his community. He's the perfect fit for that type of convention. And he didn't immediately say yes, but then he messaged me maybe about two weeks before and said, Hey, do you mind if I catch a ride with you? And I also came down with another lightweight strongman, Josh Kowalski, and he's got a truck. And so he's driving from Minnesota. He's picking me up here in Madison, and we're going to drive down to French Lick. And so I asked Josh, like, hey, there's going to be room in the truck. And he's like, yeah, you know, he's a big guy, but he can fit.

And so I took that back to Mark and I said, yeah, you know, there's not a ton of room in the truck, but you can sit in the bed. And he just kind of laughed like, ha ha. Okay. It sounds like a plan. He left it for a week and I'm very like straightforward with my sarcasm. A week later, he messaged me again. He said, all right, listen, listen to me. Like, hear me out. My brother has a big cab with a crew cab or a big truck with a crew cab. Do you think we could take that truck instead and we can still put a trailer on it and everything to bring equipment back and you know that way you don't have to sit in the bed of the truck and i just laughed i'm like dude i'm kidding with you it was the funniest funniest chain of messages that i go back and i screenshot it because it

was just it was too funny to see he thought we were serious that he would have to be in the bed of the truck on the way down right right so i'm so glad that he made the trip with us so yeah that's cool that is cool he's a good dude he's a good dude madtown fitness is that does john hack train there too or has he in the past or yeah yeah uh john trained there uh for a long time uh before he moved out to california and you know always came back home here um at least i understand that madison is his home um and then he came back about the same time i moved to madison um from cali and so he's come back to mattown and he's been doing a lot to help raise um you know just sort of the profile of matt town especially as the owner there dan has been revamping renovating every square inch of this gym if you walk into this gym

it is an elite fts wet dream it is amazing what dan has put into there and what him and tate have been able to do to just revamp that place at the power lifters paradise really um so it's a great spot it really is and there's a ton of strong equipment okay yeah yeah he's got it he's got a handful he used to have more but since i started coming there and training more uh mark john has dappled in it and is dappling more and more in it uh he's starting to do a lot more he's built us a big set of power stairs and so he's invested in the growth of the athletes. So long as they're respectful to the rest of the community, which is fabulous. And I, this guy has more equipment than I've ever seen in any gym. And I've lived in 14 cities. I've never seen so many different types of machines and equipment

in a facility. Yeah. Things you probably never seen, but things you guys actually might kind of geek out over. He's got some really cool things in there and he's got storage units around Madison, all around Madison filled with stuff. So fascinating guy and amazing gym. Sounds like my kind of place. Did you, did you bring any, I know Mark got some equipment at home gym con did you uh

bring anything back for your home gym well so my intention my my whole plan was to go down there get a trailer bring it back home full of stuff and we did that only it wasn't my stuff um getting i got so busy kind of you know the first day getting the trailer and then actually spending maybe two or two hours or so talking with some of the OGs from year one and just saying hi to people you know you get caught up in conversations then I got to emceeing and then next thing you know it's time to go to dinner and then the next day I spent the entire day just doing the strongman contest and so I didn't really get to actually explore very much and talk to a lot of people do a lot of engagements. There were some things there, I had 100% intention on just outright buying. And by the time I got to

it on Saturday afternoon, it was already gone. Or surprisingly, some of the booths were already closing up on Saturday afternoon, which is a little annoying. Cause I was like, it's two o'clock. Why, why is this booth gone already? Um, so I did not get as much as I'd hoped. Uh, I got a bench from, um, body solid, uh, was it Bali? I believe it was body solid or body extreme. Shoot. Now I can't remember. Weird. Funny thing is it was an extremely solid body. It's an extremely solid bench too. It is really nice. Um,

so I'm happy about that. But then, um, the other thing that I was really hoping to get was a rep rack. And so I wasn't able to get that by the time I ran over there, all giddy, I'm like, Hey, you know, like, are you guys taking this apart? Like, can I still get it? And one of the, the rep, um, representatives was like, sorry, it's spoken for. So I did not get nearly as much. Got a couple of random plates.

I did get actually two really cool things from Black Widow. Dean does an amazing job with powder coat on all his products at Black Widow. And he had a knur, a neural axle bar. Yeah. And I fell in love with it immediately. And thankfully, my buddy who was with me, Josh Wolski, he said that, you know, so I'm in the midst of training for a contest in England called the Chaos Plastic. And at that event, they're going to have a max axle overhead event or overhead press. And Josh said, you know what? It'll probably benefit you training on that axle bar because all of the axles

in the EU or the UK at least are neural. And so they typically complain when they come to the States and then we have smooth out axles and then vice versa. It's sort of like a surprise that they have knurled axles when our athletes go there. And so I grabbed that from Dean and it's been amazing. And I also grabbed a really unique pair of farmer training handles. So they're not full on, you know, three or four foot pipes with collars that you put the weight on. four foot pipes with collars that you, you put the weight on. Um, but they're just upright handles that have a collar that comes out sort of perpendicularly from the, uh, the handle itself,

same distance that attained from, from your side and all. And I mean, I can probably load that with a lot more weight, but, uh, it's not going to be the exact same sort of what's it called the exact same sensation as training actual farmer handles, right, the way it's going to be directly over my center line. So but I think as just a small implement to have in my home gym, it's easy. It's so easy. So it's a good tool just to warm up with. So those were the two I was actually really excited about. And yeah, so I didn't get to leave with as much as I'd hoped, but next year, I'm just going to like tell Kurt, Hey, you're on your own. I gotta go. I gotta go get equipment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, and I think actually next year I might go down earlier and just talk with the reps as they're setting up and start to make claims, man. That might be the best thing to do. That's part of what's going on at home, Jim. Everyone that drove is figuring out what they can get to live with. Yeah, I really wanted some stuff from ATX, man. That would have been awesome. I was excited to go back over and grab something.

really cool yeah i was excited to go back over and grab something and then i found out that everything remaining the resort actually bought for their fitness center at the resort that's the resort ended up getting a lot of things they bought one of the stair steppers a lot of equipment from atx some of the equipment from rep uh they bought a lot of things which is awesome to to see you know that they actually invested too big kyle uh kaizen got the atx lat pull down trinity tower thing i know he that thing was amazing yeah how it adjusts from you know seated oh man just so cool to the the lie down i kind of like that yeah that thing was sweet you talked about uh your strongman show coming up and we haven't, I think anyone that is listening is new to you might not understand, but you have a pretty impressive strongman resume. Do you call your weight class?

Is it 90 kilogram usually, or do you call it middleweight strongman or what do you, what's the designation? Yeah. So 90 kilo. It's interesting because it does, it is the first subdivision of the middle weight class, uh, for men. And, um, I just converted over to 90 kilo. I was originally, I was 80 kilo for 10 years. Um, and then these last two years I've competed as a 90 kilo and that is the middleweight criteria but uh or the middleweight sort of baseline there's also depending on the federation that you're in the classes will jump so the the subdivisions are um 200 198 or 200 pounds uh 220 for uss nationals or sorry, national U S United States strongman,

um, nationals on the brain. Um, and then the other corporate, the strongman corporation, the other, other U S primary federation, their upper division is 231. So 105 kilo. Those are the middleweight classes that most people are sitting in. But I say that and people who compete at 231, 105, just like in powerlifting, they tend to drop from a heavier weight. So they might drop off 15, 25 pounds. And the same thing as you go down the line, guy, I walked around at 190, 195. I competed at one 75 for years and years and then age and all that fun stuff catches up with you. Career life. Yeah. Happy wife. So do you ever see, I mean, would there ever be a day where you go up a weight class again?

Gosh, no. I, so I, I walk around very comfortably at about two 11 to 10. And right now I've been walking around like two 14 to 16 and I just haven't really been paying attention to food, which is a nice thing. Um, But there are some days where I feel really uncomfortable just in my body, because that's kind of pushing it. And I absolutely feel that when I start to do some training. So conditioning takes a little bit of a hit here and there. And it's fine to not have to move as fast. You know, I don't need to be super agile or anything like that. But you do you feel it even just in your leverages, those sort of things change your the way your belt fits, and you have

to change gear and all those things just feel weird, the way the log would sit on you or the way you hold a yoke, those things start to take noticeable changes, the more mass you put on. And I think it's also in the reverse too, as people lose weight over their fitness journey, they feel different in movements and exercises that have traditionally been very normal feeling for them, whatever it might be. So it's kind of, kind of interesting to experience that and realize like, you gotta be careful, man. Don't get too big. Yeah. So have you won basically everything there is that you gotta be careful man yeah don't get too big yeah so have you won basically everything there is that you could win i mean you've won like the arnold uh did you win the arnold this year

yeah i've uh i won the arnold as an 80 kilo um in 21 and then in 22 i thought I had this sort of blind faith that I was going to make that weight cut again from 208 or something like that. And I did not make that cut. Um, and so that's when I bumped up to a 90 kilo. And so for the last two years, I've won Arnold at the 90 kilo, uh, weight class and that this past year at the Arnold was kind of I don't want to call it a flute because that sort of belittles it and that also sort of means the the the competitors that I my peers that I'm going against but I stay I have you know this concept you know in the military we talk about you know physical readiness all right that's a very common concept you know this concept you know in the military we talk about you know physical readiness all right that's a very common concept um you know being ready at any time to

respond to a need a physical need and that could be you know saving somebody's life that could be you know chasing a suspect down whatever it might be so I'd like to treat my training with a little bit of readiness. And from the official Strongman Games that happens in December, from December all the way until about two weeks before March, before the Arnold, I was kind of casually training and with no intention on doing the Arnold at all. And then my group of close strongman friends, Josh, Cody, and Ross, my stronger, maybe other team, they took it amongst themselves to just sign me up anyways, and left it at that and said, Hey, man, you don't have to compete, but we don't want you to feel left out. So take it or leave it, you know, just go have fun. That's

all they wanted me to do. Cause I felt some guilt about not competing and actually properly handing off the title, you know, letting somebody best me and win. Um, so they signed me up and I was like, all right, screw it. I'll do it. Cause if you're going to sign me up, I'm going to do it. Well, I, I managed to slip out a win on that too. Um, which was kind of crazy.

But so I'm the first of the weight class division strong men or strong women to win three Arnolds, let alone three back to back. The only other person who has done that at the Arnold is Zydrunas. So I'm chasing that and I got to get the five if I want to try and do that. But they're on another level. So, yeah, we'll see if that happens, but I have, you know, winning the Arnold, it's a very, it's a, it's an invitational. So you have to go through the strongman corporation pipeline to get there, which immediately sort of pushes out a lot of other competitors who don't train or compete within that federation or go qualify through that route.

So winning that is an amazing achievement. And I'm super proud and happy that I was fortunate enough to do what I've done so far with the Arnold. I have a Nationals title through Strongman Corporation. And then I podiumed as an 80 kilo in the official Strongman Games. But with that being said, the official Strongman Games have really grown to become the pinnacle of the Strongman sport. It has more diversity of athletes from, I mean, I'm going to get it wrong, but it's at least 20 or so countries from around the world. 400 athletes that come out, 150 to 180 of them tend to be from international locations. It's the best of the best, you know, people who are vying for the actual title of the world's

strongest insert weight class. And so, um, getting third there was actually really cool years back and people still buy for it. So if I was to, you know, make the claim of, you know, doing everything that I personally wanted to do in my strongman career. I definitely done it. I made a commitment years ago that I want a podium at OSG and I want a podium at Arnold and I've done those things. Everything else has just kind of been bonus since then. So yeah, that makes sense. Do you think that weight class strongman, or you could say lightweight or middleweight strongman, do you think it gets the credit it deserves or like that it has started to get more of the credit that it deserves? It's definitely seen an uptick.

I think the interesting thing is, is, you know, everybody talks about this pound for pound, these individuals who are, you know, lightweight competitors who are stronger pound for pound than their open class competitors. And that might be true to a degree. But the human mind is fascinating thing. And what really captures sort of the awe is watching giant men move giant things. And so for so long, I still do it. I think we all love watching our world's strongest men competitors pull jets, pull buses, lift these heavy stones. There's something about it.

But over the last decade or so, and I think it's gonna continue in this upward trend, the weight class divisions have really made a name for themselves. And you're getting people who are more familiar with it. I think that has a lot to do with the Arnold itself, but also with the official Strongman Games. years. So it started in 2017. That itself has really made a platform for us to showcase ourselves as worthwhile competitors, that and CrossFit. CrossFit has given us another audience who understands this type of fringe sport. And so I think we get a lot of spectators. We get a lot of equipment manufacturers and those types of fans who associate with CrossFit or Ironman or whatever it might be. And they look at Strongman and they go, oh, okay, I understand what you're doing.

This is actually really cool. Maybe I'll follow along some Instagram or whatever, YouTube. So I think there is an upward trend. I think we're only going to see more of it. There is a lot more invitational based contests taking place around the world. And I know there's more coming. So, yeah, I think it is. It's got its place, especially within the women's divisions.

The women are fascinating to watch. They're incredibly competitive. Some of them would best me on my great, my, my best day. So it's amazing to watch some of them grow too, and in their sport or in their divisions. So, yeah, I think that's also helping too. Now the women at the Arnold, they have, you know, the women's division at the Arnold Classic. That is just awesome. Yeah, that's cool. And they're getting paid. That makes it even better. Is Cleveland where you're originally from? Cleveland, Ohio? Yep. Born and raised in Cleveland. Is Cleveland in the Midwest?

Is Cleveland in the Midwest? Ohio's a weird place. That is the truth, isn't it? We go there every year to admire these shitty toilets at the Columbus Convention Center. It's something weird. Cleveland, geographically, wants to be the Midwest. Politically, I think it wants to be the midwest but it's also not the east coast because it's not on the east coast it doesn't share that coast like all the east coast states do so i'm gonna say it's the midwest to make sure that nobody tries

to like death threat me oh no matter what you answered somebody somebody's going to try to death threat you. Right? You can't win that conversation. That's true. Yeah. That is true. You mentioned your tenure in the Air Force, and you worked with canines when you were in there. Yeah. We have a lot of listeners that are pretty into cats also. So I was wondering, do you think that cats could serve a purpose in the military?

Well. As being a canine expert, how do you think cats could fit in? Man, I don't know. Are they orange cats? If that's helpful. Any color that helps. I mean, orange cats have like, they've got a personality. Right, right, right.

You know, I mean mean i think all cognitive creatures have the ability to be trained and so i i can't say no because i've seen rats that have been trained i i mean we do these things that we we've trained monkeys we've trained all sorts of animals uh to do these things so i mean I can't say no to that. They just might have like, they might just throw tantrums more often. I don't know. But you can't think of like this. You can't think of the specific purpose though, off of it offhand.

Oh no, no. I mean, we're not really catnip. Isn't really a threat to human health. Yeah. Yeah. Okay okay that's fair um you uh have you done a ted talk before i have i did a ted x at while i was uh going to school at georgia tech yep that was an interesting one is georgia tech is that the yellow jackets or that's right is that that's where uh megatron went isn't it that's where uh um the wide receiver for the lions tommy uh johnson um calvin johnson i think that he's like georgia went there no kidding yeah

i think so i don't know i might be making it up nice i mean they don't have a good football team so they don't have a lot of good sports i think maybe rowing and basketball they're good at i'm looking jimmy carter went there in 1946 so the president jimmy carter okay our man is a guy named jimmy carter too it could could have just been a coincidence yeah yeah it wasn't the jimmy carter they just hang on to that it was the peanut farmer jimmy farmer jimmy carter the peanut farmer right so you did a tedx talk there though that's pretty cool how was that experience uh you know what it was really unique um i i think you know when i signed up for it i didn't know exactly what i was getting into but you know you know, just the TED name, the TED branding was kind of attractive. I learned a lot about the working with that group.

So TEDx is a little bit different. There's sort of chapters around the country, mostly at universities. And the one in particular at Georgia Tech was run by an undergrad student group, which is really cool that they empower them. They give them the tools to carry out these talks. They give them funding and then send them all the marketing material. They, I was at the time I was a master's student. I was, gosh, I don't know, 31 or so and, or maybe 30, who knows? Well, well anyways i get assigned to a presenting coach or presenter coach who is this 19 year old um undergrad i don't remember her name or anything super cool but um the way that they try to get you to hone your talk uh is they kind of focus on like two different narrative or two different

points within your narrative and then they get you to elaborate that and then they get you to try to memorize the talk because you don't have a script in front of you there's no nothing to read from they want you to memorize it and that was hard for me um so i struggled a lot with that part i got the but um a of i definitely struggled because we were having a lot of audio issues and you could hear it in the room and it just kept throwing my talk off so my experience was a little frustrating but if the talk was still well received. And going through the process of actually figuring out what is the message, what is the take home that I want the audience to have was actually a really rewarding process

for me. And so my talk was about, you know, what lessons I gleaned as a canine handler in the military from my working dog and what type of attributes I can then bestow upon the rest of my life to my experiences and frustrations and just my growth as a, as a human. And I, there are some really unique things I didn't think about until years after I was out of the military. So that whole process was so worthwhile and I wouldn't have done it had I not been sitting next to this 19 year old girl who was like asking me questions that you know somebody my age probably wouldn't have asked me or you know so it was a really

rewarding process in that way oh that's cool that sounds fun i didn't yeah the memorizing of it would be unique i think speaking in that way of like having a memorized speech would be an odd experience um they they really do make math they take masterful talkers or presenters and then they make them better they just i i was crap to begin with and they kind of polished me a little bit so i think it's where your starting point is in places how your talk's gonna go right we have this uh game we play with everyone that we have on here now. We're from South Dakota, so we talk about Mount Rushmore on occasion.

We want to get your Mount Rushmore so it'd be kind of your four best. Your Mount Rushmore of rooms in the White House. Your top White House rooms. My top White House rooms. My top White House rooms.

That is going to be a hard one because I don't remember the exact names of these rooms. Okay. Okay. So you worked in the White House for a little bit, right? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. So I worked in the White House under the Office of Science and Technology Policy. I was a science policy fellow.

That's a term, right? When you say fellow, like you're not just saying like, oh, I was a science and tech dude, like fellow means something specific, right? You know? Yes. So I was paid to serve in a position that was designated not as a contractor, but as sort of an advisor, a consultant, a staffer. It's just a way for the government or any other public entity to sort of endow a person with an opportunity, but then also for them to pay them in certain ways. And so I was able to be paid while I was there as a fellow, which also kept my pay really low, too. Which stinks, but, you know, it is what it is. The most memorable room off the top of my head, I mean, without a doubt, it's called the Indian Treaty Room. It is a beautiful room. And I believe if you do a search for the Indian treaty room, and I think it would be with

FDR, um, you'll see, he used to do some broadcasts and you can see the Indian treaty room, um, in the background. And that was a beautiful room. And we would host everybody in there. There's this awesome echo that's in there. Every square inch of it is just kind of like this handcrafted marble and stained glass. Yeah, it's really, really ornate. Look, I've never heard of it. I'm just looking at it here. That is pretty cool. It's beautiful. And so the Office of Science and Technology Policy, actually, it is a White House office. It is an executive office, but it sits in the building adjacent to the White House, which is called the Eisenhower Executive Building. And there are a lot

of a lot of really cool little rooms in there. And there's another room in there that I really enjoyed. That's not like an official room. It's actually like more of like a little meditation kind of getaway space. And it's up in the annex upstairs like way upstairs um and it's sometimes a little too warm in there because the ac doesn't really reach it um but you would go in there and you could close the door only one person in there at a time and it was just this really soft green room and it had a window that just overlooked the back of the white house lawn and it was just really peaceful and that didn't have a name i mean i spent so much time in there too and i mean you kind of scrub a lot of things out of your mind

i mean i used to sleep under my cubicle like yeah you know that was a great spot too but um did you ever get to go into the oval office no? No, not into it. I did on tours, but never for any meetings or anything like that. Right. Nothing like that, unfortunately. What year was it? I was there 2015 and 2016. So were you, was Obama there the entire time or was, were you there for Obama? Okay.

Okay. Gotcha. Yep. And so, yeah, then right at the end of it, that's when I actually, I left, I'd gotten accepted into Georgia tech. The Obama administration was coming to a close. I left and went to school or went back to grad school at least. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's good. Mount Rushmore. Yeah. I didn't even finish around mount rushmore though well i'm in half four rooms well you did good though you did tip us off on a couple good ones at least so that'll be sufficient uh you were on the tight you're on the titan games too right yeah the original titan games the uh titan games what an experience yeah you dream the rock john yeah so who did you uh how

did you do how did you do um poorly okay i mean i had i watched it i just don't remember it's been uh it's been several years so i just you can google my name and i think it pops up somewhere or sometimes if you just andrew hannah's titan games, the, the way they pair you up. And so, well, they fly out like 50 athletes to LA and we did this Titan combine, they called it. Cause Dwayne wanted to sort of mimic the NFL combine, except it was nothing like that was so many different things that you had to do. And that was a fun day.

They selected all the athletes that they wanted to be on the show from there. Then we flew to Atlanta to actually do the filming and you get paired up with a competitor. And so at the time I got paired up with a individual who was a pro long driver. I think he walked around like 290 pounds. The was just muscle i mean um huge dude and so i got paired up with him and the producers did a good job to balance out the types of events and the demand the physical demands and so some of the events were a little bit more weight favorable and some of the other ones were a little bit more agility or climbing favorable and so um it was best two out of three i won the first one and then he won the second two and then

unfortunately because i made him work for the second two um he not only he he tore his bicep but he also broke one of his toes which is really unfortunate because as a long driver like that's his career he had this long hiatus of recovery which was terrible um but then uh they asked me if i would take his place then in the elimination round where you go and you hammer these stupid poles in um so i went and did that and got knocked out in that round too, though. So never got to actually climb Mount Olympus, which is a bummer because we all got the opportunity to play on it.

And I think I would have crushed it. I will say this because I don't care what the producers say, but I don't know if you guys know who Matt Chan is. Matt Chan won the Titan games. He's, you know, an OG CrossFitter. I mean, one of the most, I think, recognizable names in CrossFit

and probably one of the most, the most respectable athletes I have in my portfolio of individuals. And I was there with him. And I just remember him saying, I'm kind of glad you didn't make it. Cause I was scared to go against you on Mount Olympus. Cause you had to be fast and you had to be strong at certain things.

And so it was a bummer. I didn't get to do it. Cause that would have been fun to go up against Matt Chan. Yeah. That's cool though. That's a cool experience to have in your resume you know to have done it yeah okay yeah that was good we've got one more game that we like to play you got a game all right let's hear one more game overrated underrated

this one's fairly simple we got a few hand-picked topics for you and it's just your job on each one to decide if they're overrated or underrated the most important part is you can't ride the line you have to pick you have to you have to pick on each one so as long as we were talking about titan games overrated or underrated the rock damn that's i mean i i don't care so i'm just gonna say overrated yeah he's i'm not gonna invite you back onto uh titan games now though he was he was so incredibly nice um the bare minimum time that you did get to see him he did spend time on the floor with every single athlete time that you did get to see him he did spend time on the floor with every single athlete because he's in the you know he's in the show so he needed to be on the floor um so he's really nice but uh and his presence was all i mean he's a gentle giant kind of i think his tv or his film

personality isn't one for one in him either um but also i think he's a little overrated so he needs to stop doing films i think we can all agree on that yeah yeah okay overrated or underrated space force underrated underrated i think i don't know i think i think I would try to get into Space Force today if I was still, if all the military branches were open prospects. I'd probably try to get into Space Force. Do you think they'll allow dogs in Space Force? Gosh, wouldn't that be something? Well, there was a dog in space before human, I guess, right? Russia did a good job at that yeah those dogs never came back

uh that's they lost a lot of good men up there yeah yeah i think it'd be cool to be on the frontier space though especially you know as we start to you know find out you know new ways to travel across or at least to Mars at best, right? Making camps and stations on, on the moon, things like that, launching off rockets from the moon, those types of things will be fascinating. And I mean, the potential experience of one day going into space, I'm going to take the risk, put me on the space force,

but just change the name. I don't know. Yeah, the name could use a little retooling. Laika. First dog in space. Laika. Say what kind of dog it is? I don't know.

I just know that because I had a friend whose name was the name of their dog and that was why um oh interesting do you guys have dogs i do i do i have a burn a doodle so he's about 90 pounds he's a big boy oh geez yeah dude yeah you gotta like you take trash bags with you on walks? Basically, yeah. And then you have kids, which means he eats a lot of their food that he shouldn't. So there's always a situation of some kind taking place. Yeah.

I have a Morkie. He's much smaller than that. What's a Morkie? I mean, it's's half maltese and it's a mutt so it's half maltese and half yorkie okay oh i bet that's pretty cute is there is there a massonomics wall uh pet wall oh there's not but it would it would probably make a pretty interesting wall what do you mean what do you what do you mean a pet wall what am i uh uh what i mean you you've got you know the crew and you've got all the supporting members. Oh, right, right, right.

Pet wall. Right, right. Oh, people would be all over that too. That'd be fun. Yeah. Yeah. I look like it says it's a Samoyed terrier. Is that how you say it?

A terrier. High energy dogs. Not anymore. Not anymore not or oh geez yeah uh overrated or underrated microeconomics underrated underrated yeah there's a lot of math there, some of the insights are just too cool. Human behavior, consumer behavior, even geopolitics to a degree, it's just amazing to glean insights on that level. Problem is, is scaling those insights into usable policies doesn't happen. policies uh doesn't happen is that kind of the joke is that it's not there's like that there isn't a utility to you know like that yeah it worked like in practice it makes sense and it's but the application of it there's a problem exactly exactly i used to have um this amazing

um econ professor at georgia tech and i'm not going to get it right off the top of my head. I could send you guys an image later. But I found this really funny XY graph. Then on one end of it, it had macroeconomics, and then utility. And then the other end was microeconomics and something else. And it was just like a circle of a joke. And I put it right on his door and I could hear him laughing down the hall. He never took it down. Never the funniest thing you've ever seen. You really got him with the.

I'll have to send it to you guys. You could put it on a story or something. It's too funny, but yeah, micro is cool. Micro is very cool. Okay. Overrated, underrated, big Eddie wanted to know fit the philly cheesesteak yeah i'm gonna piss off a whole state underrated i'm sorry i'm sorry

overrated overrated it's i i had so many philly cheesesteaks while i was in philly three years and i know somebody's gonna say well you didn't have it here you didn't have it here you didn't I had so many Philly cheesesteaks while I was in Philly, three years. And I know somebody's going to say, well, you didn't have it here. You didn't have it here. You didn't have it here. I had enough. I was, I'm just not a Philly cheesesteak person. It's just like here.

I mean, in Madison, in Wisconsin, this weekend, Memorial Day weekend, there's Brat Fest. And I've actually not gone to Brat Fest, but my neighbors have lived here forever. They've grown up here. They've gone to Brat Fest. And last week we're talking about it. And I said, well, should I go? Like, is there a day I should go?

And they're like, do you like Brats? And I'm like, yeah, I can do a good Brat. And they just kind of laughed and they're like, then it's not worth your time. Like what? Like if you want to go and you want to spend, you know, extra money on brats that you wouldn't spend otherwise don't do it. But if you want to go and you want to see some music and you want to do some carny stuff and things like that, like it's just a celebration festival.

But the brats there are just overrated. So yeah, unfortunately I think Philly cheesesteaks are overrated yeah tell me how do you feel about all i'm like philly cheesesteaks are like my top three food item to order when i go to restaurants top three oh i just love philly cheesesteaks at a restaurant man just no i don't know i don't know what maybe it's because like a burger like i just i'm so over ordering burgers what, maybe it's because like a burger, like I just, I'm so over ordering burgers. Cause I'm like, I just make a burger at home. Like it just doesn't do it for me. And I don't like to order like a steak at a restaurant because it's like 40 bucks and you get like an eight ounce steak, you know? So it's like Philly cheesesteaks just hit that sweet spot

for me of something that I don't make at home. They're priced right. It's usually a good amount of food. Like it just, it just does it for me. I don't know why, but it does. The bread's important, right? It can't get soggy. That plays a part, too. The meat also, obviously, is the star of the show. You do whiz or no whiz. Yeah, you look at the cheese.

There's a lot of... And again, I haven't had an actual real Philly, so I haven't been out there to have the real deal. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I've been doing it all wrong all these years, but I like to order affiliate at a restaurant. Okay. All right. I respect that. I respect that.

Okay. Last one. And this one's worth all the marbles. It's the most important, uh, overrated or underrated autonomous cars. cars. 20 years ago, underrated. Today, a little overrated. Quite overrated. I think

some of our tech gurus have given labels and made false promises that have really harmed the development of autonomous vehicles and it's made it harder for the consumer to actually trust or have faith in those things and that technology um you say tech guru are you talking about like elon musk or what a hundred percent okay is that what yeah yeah he has been such a poor steward of it and yeah he has thrown in an unbelievable amount of money at trying to solve the tech problems uh but he's been doing it with a very myopic and

ill-advisable approach uh not including the right people and his way or the highway. And it's just not, it's not safe. And people have gotten hurt and there's been a lot of loss of life because of him. There's been a lot of policy changes in the country because of him. And it's sort of thwarted the early progress that was made in the 2000, 2000s like 2003 2000 to 2008 um and i've done a lot of research on autonomous vehicles and sort of the innovation policies around that and how that helped create an entire new i think it's like a five billion dollar industry today um everybody every automaker has their hands in some type of autonomous tech and you experience it or use it in some weird way every day to day in a newer vehicle. It's just a matter of time

before some of it actually starts to sort of take better shape and is more acceptable. But when we have crazies like him, it makes it harder and it makes it harder for the people who are trying to get money and trying to get uh the ability to actually put these roads on the vehicle passed by lawmakers so it's a little challenging unfortunately but i'll say that's a little overrated today we still have a long way to go it's not they're not going to be here full self fully self-driving vehicles are not going to be here for a while uh but when they are here i tell you what that road trip from south dakota to columbus is going to be so nice oh i'm looking forward to that yeah you know yeah yeah and see you know what i mean also i gotta i gotta now that i said columbus again i mean i i gotta i got two things for you guys one this year

Eddie you're going to laugh I think I told you this year when I was weighing in for the Arnold on Thursday in Columbus you guys are there I think it was Thursday and you're setting up

the booth, but people are already trickled in. And, you know, the booth is actually really busy. Surprisingly, your booth was, and not a lot of booths, other booths around were very busy, but your booth was, which is a good sign. While I was standing there talking to Eddie for like 15 minutes, I had just weighed in. I just started drinking some water. I was snacking on an apple or something like that. And I don't know, 15 minutes. I was there. We took a picture and I was getting ready to walk away. I'm like, yeah, I probably got to go to the bathroom. Um,

I was standing on like a Jason not behind, but almost in the path of being behind your booth. And I just had to fart. And he's like, I got to fart. When you got to fart, you got to fart. Yeah, exactly. And Eddie was talking to me and it wasn't a fart. Um, uh, and I realized that, and I was wearing, thankfully, I was wearing spandex shorts and And that saved me quite a bit. But when I realized what was happening, I had to hold it in. And I said bye to Eddie. I ran to the bathroom.

I had to throw out my shorts and everything. I had to clean myself up in the bathroom there. You're part of the bathroom problem. I was. You were the first domino that fell to kick off the whole thing it was me it was me well i was scared to go into the big one so i went back upstairs up the escalators okay the cleaner bathroom you know the good ones are at yeah and uh i i changed in there but all i can remember was just like man now i'm that guy who shit at the math so i mean next t-shirt idea for you you know

or sticker i never noticed i never noticed any smell no i mean i mean not the ordinary at least not different than the regular shit smell already so yeah so that was the that was incredibly embarrassing for me but now i'm like laughing at it. And hopefully you guys will have me back to the booth. So you tested a fart and lost. Bad. I was amazed there was anything still in my system because I had just gone through a week-long water cut. And like, there's no food in me. What the hell?

So that was one thing. The second thing is I want to put a plug in or a prompt for you two to make a trip to Madison this December. That would be cool. And this December in Madison, we are hosting the official Strongman Games at the Alliant Energy Center. And it's going to be awesome. at the Alliant Energy Center. And it's going to be awesome. It's a four-day event, Thursday, December 3rd through the Sunday, which is December 6th. It's going to be an amazing weekend.

Strong men and strong women from all around the world. We're going to have the Thursday is going to be youth and teen contests as well as adaptive. And then Friday and Saturday are the weight class divisions. And those are the semifinals. And then Sunday, we cut down to the top 10 in those divisions. And we have our finals on Sunday. And then we have an amazing after party on Sunday.

It's really going to be a strongman takeover of Madison. on Sunday. It's really going to be a strongman takeover of Madison. We're talking with ESPN about having radio spots and having them actually in attendance as well. We're talking with some of the bars about having strongman themed drinks and we're really doing a takeover of the town. So it's going to be fascinating. Tommy, how far of a drive is Madison? Just look, six hours, 43 minutes. Really? That's it? That is not that far. Down the road. Yeah, that's like going to the other corner of South Dakota sometimes. I thought you were going to say, tell me 10.

Well, I'm giving you my time, not Aberdeen time. Oh, so I got a couple hours extra on that. So you're closer to 10. Yeah, for me it is just right. But we always got to break up our trips. You always got to come like a day early to my place tanner right right right well that's not impossible no that actually is that actually is somewhat doable so yeah yeah well let me know if you guys are interested maybe uh i can talk to the promoter i'm helping the promoter lynn morehouse um do a

lot of sponsorship gathering bring out some of the local businesses, things like that. So you guys want a booth. I can be your guys. Maybe we can do something where we get you and your supporting members, some, some tickets or something like that so that they can come. Maybe we can have a conversation later. I don't think you want all those people to come. Oh, I want them all. I want them all. And there's a rumor that, I'll say it, there's a rumor John Hack might try to compete. So you want to see John Hack dominating some strongman events. He can't afford not to if it's right in town. That's what I was saying.

Awesome. That's interesting. That's cool. Tommy, anything else we got this week? I think we do really appreciate you coming on. This was fun. That's cool. Tommy, anything else we got this week? I think we do really appreciate you coming on. This was fun. This was cool. It's kind of been in the works for a while to get you on here, and I'm glad we got to do it here finally.

Yeah, same. I had no idea what we'd talk about or anything, but I just love chatting, so I love listening to you guys. You guys have been in my podcast feed for years now. I think it's, I think at this point I might be obligated. Keith might jump on me. I might be obligated to become a supporting member at this point. Now that you said it, Keith will really be on your case now. That's what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I can afford it.

What is it? Uh, for you special deal, $50 a month is all. Oh, okay. That's it? That's it. That's a special deal. Right, right. You almost can't afford not to. Yes, obviously.

Awesome. We appreciate it. Well, we'll see you sometime, whether it's in uh wisconsin in december or ohio in march or home gym con and you know we'll we'll cross paths again no doubt yeah well in either of those situations looking forward to it awesome thanks man i appreciate you guys thanks a lot andrew yeah appreciate you guys. Thanks a lot, Andrew. Yeah.

See you guys later, right? See ya. See ya. Did you give him his cool beans, Tommy? Special Air Force White House Georgia Tech cool beans. Yeah, right out of the White House kitchen. Yes. I was going to ask him how the cafeteria was at the White House.

Forgot to. The real inside scoop. Bad news, Tommy. Ah, the damn Timberwolves? Yeah, bad news. I was keeping my eye on it. Not good news. It looks like, man, at least looks like it was a game, though.

It was a really good game. None of the games in the Nuggets series were games. No, this one came down to the final seconds, honestly, I think. So, yeah, so they're starting 0-1 in the Western Conference finals. But I would say hope's not lost in that series. I still like their chances going forward. So losing the first one's kind of a stinker. It is.

But also, if you just watch them win games one and two and six and seven, it's like anything is possible. Yep. And I do not think the Dallas Mavericks team is as good as the Nuggets team, which I don't think that's going out on a limb to say that. So I think the Timberwolves certainly have the ability to be able to win that series. Yeah, that's rolling us right into our Timberwolves segment, though,

of, God, that game seven. I don't know if I've actually ever been that jacked for a basketball game my entire life. I'll tell you. You're going nuts. There's two plays that just, like, made my head explode, and this is, people have to understand. Was one of them Rudy Gobert?

Yes, okay, okay, wait, wait. People have to understand, as a Minnesota sports fan, there's just years of just, just. Defeat. Defeat. Like, I mean, pick almost any other,

you could be a fan of any other franchise or city and you like to complain like, oh, we haven't had a championship this decade. It's like, no, we haven't had a championship like ever outside of the twins in the early 90s. What's the 89 and 90 or 91, 92, whatever it was outside of that.

And I wasn't like a lot. I mean, I was alive, but I was like one or two. So like, that doesn't even count. So outside of that, it's just been nothingness for 30 years. I can never say like that your team has won it ever in 30 years. And that's, I mean, that's just me. That actually goes, that, that record extends much longer than that, you know. Right.

But oh, man, I'm like caring about basketball more than ever would. And then that game seven, I just it just really felt like, I don't know. It just it seemed like, no, this is Minnesota sports. Like they're showing there's a sign of life. Could they do it? And then the game is just going and going. And when when he go bear hit that like fade away like when that shot went off i'm like when he made that i'm like they can't lose this game first of all i gotta even know

he shot it so high like it wasn't even on the camera and it just all of a sudden he's a horrific shot also his jump shot doesn't even oh the second he's the second he turned around starts fading away and i see him shooting him in my head thinking why would he ever take that i don't even know your team that well and i know you shouldn't be doing that and that went in i was like, oh, God. Why would he ever take that? I don't even know your team that well, and I know you shouldn't be doing that. And that went in, and I was like, oh, my God. And then there was that, and then there was at the end when Cat had that put back, and it was like, it, like, came out of nowhere.

It was like he just appeared, and I was like, yes! Like, just, like, Bernie was, like, freaking out. Like, he didn't know what was going on. It was, yeah, I was so jacked. That was the most fun I've probably ever had watching a basketball game. Jack and I were going nuts in our house. My three-year-old got woken up out of bed from our streaming,

and she watched with us, and she was loving it, doesn't understand what's going on. But every time we were cheering, she was getting in on the action. And, like, Ant didn't have, like, an amazing game by any means. But, like, Nas Reid, man, he was just, he was, like, the missing piece to that game. At the end, he came in, and he didn't have, like, the world's most impressive stat sheet. But if you watch the game, you're just, he was like the missing piece to that game. At the end, he came in and he didn't have like the world's most impressive stat sheet. But if you watch the game, you're just like, yep, he is what's making this happen right now.

The Wizard of Naz. It was great. Naz read for president. That was so fun. So, yeah, I'm hoping there can be a few more, just a few more games of that electric feeling this series. I think we'll see some, yeah. Hope is not lost. Okay, so...

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quite good right now so i'm very happy with how training's going well you posted your uh lifts i did post my rp10 i did post an rp10 week so i had an rp rp10 week last week and uh yeah my first time deadlifting 405 in that looked easy i mean it was easy yes it was the first time deadlifting 405 in like i don't know five or six years probably and it's never been a muscle thing. It's been more of just a, I got to get everything feeling right thing and confident. I mean, there's a lot to it. And when I finally got to it, it felt great.

So juggernauts helped me get there. Squat, I did, what was it? Top set at 365 for five. Felt great there. That felt awesome. Bench was the one that I was a little bit of a disappointment. I wasn't feeling the best going into it. I've been having some crazy like sinus allergy things this week.

And I pushed bench a little bit too far. I was hoping for four sets or four reps at 295. I only got three. I really do think on a better day, the fourth one would be there. But yeah, so things are going in the right direction on Juggernaut. So I'm very, very happy with all of that. But yeah. Before we go fully into the topic, do we need to say our discount code for juggernauts?

So people are, yeah, it's massonomics 10% off a lifetime of that membership. But anyway, so yeah, they launched this app and I remember I, I saw a little video about it. I actually,

I had to call you and tell you, you got to check this thing out because I actually thought it was that cool. We were on the phone. We were both loading videos into it. And what it does is it's, it, you just open it up and it basically is just asking you to submit your videos in here. And so what you do is you load your video into the app. The app analyzes your video, your training video, you, you tag it with either a squat bench or deadlift or other.

So it knows what category to put it in. And then it analyzes your video and it will give you your, actually it's really impressive. So it gives you for each rep, it will give you your descent speed, your ascent speed. If you had a pause, it'll give you your pause time. And this is down to the hundredth of a second. So like when I'm looking at, well, I'll go into that that in a second and then it'll give you your velocity so how fast you're moving it uh your range of motion and then your shift and some of these i don't totally know i'm assuming your shift is how far you're deviating from straight straight line yeah straight line but like uh just looking here and i've don't have a ton of videos in here, but just the few that I've put in. The really interesting number is that velocity number. And I'm assuming things are in meters per second here is what they're at. So like when I look at like my RP 10 day for squat,

so I have five reps here and my velocity for each one. So first rep my velocity was 0.44 second rep 0.39 third rep 0.41 0.39 and 0.35 so you can see they're pretty damn consistent but they do slowly trail off towards the end and then it also there's numbers in here like i said for your ascent descent range of motion shift but what's really interesting then is taking that velocity number and i think they're trying to build some some metrics some baselines for what to expect at certain rpe ratings but like the one that they're giving you here is what rpe yes it's like what they're giving you though here is it says like as a rough baseline it says a truly maximal lift a one rep max at you know the last rep an rp 10 effort set will typically be at 0.2 meters per second or slower which is not fast like that is pretty

slow and then it says um the last rep of an rp8 set will be more in the 0.26 to 0.33 range and so reading that like taking what they said there is i was supposed to be doing an rp10 set on squat i did 365 i got done and in my head i was like oh i could have for sure done two more so it's like okay well that would be you know rp8 possibly an rp7 and a half and if i go back to what they just said, they're saying a real RP eight should be in that 0.26 to 0.33 meters per second. If I go look at mine, the last one on my set was a 0.35. So that actually is above the eight. And so to me that says, Oh, actually what I am kind of calculating RP correctly in my head, because that would be about a seven and a half or an eight, you know, it's depending on how that works for your body. So, um, I think it's a super cool feature. I think people should,

if you are on juggernaut, you absolutely should just get the app, start loading some videos in there and playing around with it. Cause it's really cool to see. Um, but if you're don't, if you don't have the app, if you don't have juggernaut AI, this to me is just a really great way or another great thing to say like, this is included in your monthly subscription and you're going to learn a lot about how you lift weights not only like on the heavy reps but then even like your drop sets like what your velocity looks like how fast you're moving that bar between sets and also what your um you could say like the efficiency of your technique you know how much you're shifting and then also how much your speed you're able to maintain throughout a set.

Just numbers that get really geeky, it's nearly impossible to keep track of unless you have some specialized tool. This is making it significantly easier. Yeah, it's cool. It seems to work pretty well. Like I'm gauging against, like I don't know the accuracy. Like I don't know, but what I can tell is there's consistency.

Like it, you know, whether, say it says 0.3, accuracy like i don't know but i what i can tell is there's consistency because like it you know whether uh say it says 0.3 meters per second and maybe it's really 0.2 i don't know but what i can tell is it's when a rep looks slower it's registering as slower than a faster one and when like uh there's a pause it catches it and it knows, you know, so I don't know how perfectly accurate it is or isn't. But what I can tell is that it's picking up on differences like in the differences are noticeable in there. So it knows that. So it leads me to believe there is some level of accurate, you know, some level of accuracy because there's so much consistency. You can tell it's doing kind of it's picking up on things that you can notice.

Yeah. there's so much consistency you can tell it's doing kind of it's picking up on things that you can notice yeah and it tracks like it shows because it wants you to film from a certain angle where it can see the plates and like the end of the bar everything and you can see it draws a line where it where it shows how it's tracking so it's either like right where the bar is going through the plates or on the end of the bar it'll show this dot of it tracking up and down so you can see what it's paying attention to and it's like well if it starts to see that movement down and it starts the timer i mean that's not that complicated you know with the machine learning all that stuff they have like that's not that complicated of a thing like okay here is where it is we recognize this pattern and as soon as that starts to go start timing like so i mean yeah it's probably not totally perfect but i do yeah tend to think that, I mean, in my head, the little bit that I understand about those things, it seems like that should be a problem that, yeah, that machine learning stuff can solve fairly consistently. Right.

And what I think it's going to be cool, and Chad did mention that it's probably headed this direction, is if that can be eventually just integrated into the Juggernaut AI app at some point in time. eventually just integrated into the juggernaut ai app at some point in time uh just so then it's ultimately not even another app that you have to open it's like you can just add it right within the app and then it's helping you gauge those are because like we talked about it you know it's all right like a great one is like on your rp 10 days or like you know days when you're reaching like a really heavy top set to load a video in there and like you have an idea in your head of what that number should be but then you get maybe the uh more objective computer to look at it and say yeah you know that really was an rp8 when you thought it was a nine and a half or a ten or maybe you know the computer says like maybe you thought like i felt like i was dying and the computer

looks at it says no you were actually still moving that at like 0.35 meters per second. And that's not an RPE 10. Like that should not be your 10. So it is kind of a neutral third party to analyze your lifts outside of your training partner or your spouse or your buddy that maybe knows what's going on. Like this really is just like letting the computer take it by the numbers and tell you what it's seeing.

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool cool it's a cool addition yeah so i highly encourage everyone like go check it out it is it's a lot of fun and uh just a few videos i put in there i feel like it's like kind of like making me think about my lifting in a little different way and i'm never the guy that's like also thinks about my lifting of like, I got to explode through every rep. Like I just go and do my lifts. You know, I'm not changing that at all, but it is right. It is interesting seeing how that speed does calculate on a rep. Yeah, I like it. I did get a piece of equipment in the mail today. What?

Yeah, the they actually asked because they're these are kind of hard to get right now and i don't think they're really for sale on the website so they asked that i don't really advertise that so i'm only this is going to be on only to our podcast listeners do they get to know oh and maybe our instagram followers i'm very curious what this is now well you already actually know it's the clever double oh okay yeah yeah but but they said could you not uh really tell people about it so i'm only telling their podcast audience about it because i wanted to brag about getting it oh yeah you can't like not say anything and i did say yeah maybe i'll try not to but no promises there and like only like our 55 000 uh instagram subscribers

but other than that i won't tell anyone just tell them if they want it they just have to go to home gym con talk with them for a while really ask them to make them a double one kind of like a video make a video and then that's all you got to do and then you can have one too like it's not that it's not that hard and pay for it yes and also then pay for it yeah yeah it is pretty i put it together today and i gotta take it to the gym this yes also then pay for it yeah yeah it is pretty i put it together today and i gotta take it to the gym this week later but it does it does seem pretty cool what color is it black it is all black okay i can't remember if it might just be the i don't know if

they come in other colors they might i'm not sure i don't know if it was silver or black at home gym i couldn't remember they said you can get it in any color you'd like as long as it's black the old classic classic response uh well that's pretty cool yep it's cool beans now when you go into the gym and it's somehow bent in half someone will figure out a way where there's a will there's a way there's always something i walk in almost every day i won't get into the details but there was something this week and i'm like how is this broken this way uh like i couldn't say this if i could what's that can you at least say what it doesn't it doesn't even matter but like i just it was a real head it was

pretty immaterial and like so i wasn't that worked up about it but i'm like i could do this specifically if i tried to and but people find a way to break shit. Yeah. Yeah. There. There. You could never be surprised. I've seen it all.

I feel like I've seen it all at this point and still I'll walk in and be like, oh, you broke that. Wow. How did you do that one? That is so funny because now that I have my own gym and like i know exactly how things should be it's just like there's just never any surprises like you know exactly like it's and you're just like everything is wherever you just understand the tolerances and how things are made so it's like man for me to break something would be so just impossibly hard to do yes and then i'm just thinking of like if i just like put eight guys in my gym and said,

yeah, go work out. I just, I'm like thinking in my head, I'm like, okay, the floor would be cracked. Oh yeah.

I guarantee it'd be cracks in the floor. Somehow like all my one inch plates that are on pins would like fall off of the rack. Like the J cups, like the barbell anchor would like confuse someone. They drop a bar from the top up there. I'm just like, yep. All these little things that I just take for granted would have a feeling.

It's like somehow the, uh, the, uh, wall control would get like ripped off the wall or something. People do not even like the best people don't really give a shit about stuff. That's not there. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, ah, fuck it. That's fine. I was like, I had some stuff. It's stuff that's not theirs. Yeah. They're like, ah, fuck it. That's fine. It's like,

I had some stuff. It's made to get thrown around. Yeah. Like, well, kind of like to an, with an intended purpose and properly, but like not what you're doing.

Yeah. Take it to the limit. I take it to the limit. I push and I push. Okay. Anything else we wanted to get into this week? A couple of things. I can finally now,

after going to battle with the old ab wheel or the glute hamstring, I can finally now start to do just like the ab wheel type exercise without feeling like my abdomen is tearing, like tearing open. That was the limiting factor for me. It wasn't, it wasn't that I didn't want to do it or anything. It's like, I can't do it because it actually feels like something's ripping. Right. And I don't know what that was, but now after I've, I understand after a little over a month, I, on that specific exercise,

I don't know if I've fortified things enough, just like a rep or two at a time. But today was the first day that I've actually been able to do a few reps. I actually like sets of like six on it and just feel like I'm getting a workout and not hurting myself or hurting myself to the point where I'm like, like you're ripping your abdomen. Or like if I could keep going to this, I know I can make myself do it, but I actually will be in severe pain the next couple of days.

And it also took me like days to recover from that. So I don't know, it's like just even a few sets, a few sets and a few reps. So that's something's getting stronger. I like it. I'm on the, I'm on the up and up there.

So that's a good feeling. We do have to do a very quick Facebook marketplace deal the week. Oh, you got a deal of a week. I have a correction for last week. I said power block. I think I said I saw one for like 150 bucks. That was the wrong price. It was for $50. It was that 50. It was 50 and it was, it was the set that goes up. Cause I think there's like our smaller one that goes up to like 30 pounds or something. It was the set that goes up to like 70 pounds or something. So it set that goes up to like 70 pounds or something so it's an insanely good deal that one is gone almost but i'm curious i just saw this today

i'm curious this is a very interesting set i you you know the market pricing on this so it's a set of 15 through 55 pound dumbbells so it's 15s 25s 35s 45s 55s and so five sets and it says they can also throw a rack into a dumbbell rack so i'm assuming that's included in the price and that's 400 now what's interesting about this is it's a real grab bag from everything from hex dumbbells to what looks like the evanco pro style ones they're not they actually might be the evanko pro styles. And then two York, two Yorks in there too. Okay. And the Yorks are the 35 and 25,

I believe. So I'm just curious, 35 and 25 pound York dumbbells. What do those go for? No, it's aren't, those aren't rare in particular. I mean,

I think that that price is probably fine, actually. I thought just as far as dumbbells go, I thought that was a pretty decent price for 15, 25, 35, 45, 55, and a rack for 400 bucks. I don't want this set. It's too mismatched, and there's too many things going, and it's nowhere near me. I don't like the mismatchy of it either.

Yeah, and it's nowhere near me, but it's not very often that you see Yorks outside of it or just thrown in a set like this. like, here you go, get whatever. Yeah, that deal's probably okay. I'd ask them to come down a little bit. I'd add up to 300. I did see someone this week had an Echo Bike for $500, which I thought was actually a pretty damn good deal.

Yeah, that's probably a pretty decent deal. Especially if it's in good shape, which has probably barely been used. I mean, most echo bikes, does any echo bike really get used that I feel like echo bikes either get used really hard or they don't get used ever. Yeah.

If it's in a home team, you know? Right. Right. If I was in the market for one, it's like, that would have been, that would have been a great one to go with,

but I'm not really in the market for an echo bike so right right i've rode that echo bike today i did 20 minutes on the echo 20 20 well two 10 minute sessions so how are you uh how are you after approaching these sessions like what are you how are you when i do the echo bike all i'm doing is just uh i'm trying to hit some time so i'm just going for 10 minutes and i'm just uh like um mentally i have this thing where i'm like oh i just want to hit some time, so I'm just going for 10 minutes. And I'm just like mentally I have this thing where I'm like, oh, I just want to hit 10 minutes of get a little work in and not worry about the numbers. And I can't help but watch the numbers.

You have to because otherwise, like, am I wasting my time here? Am I slacking off? Right. So then I'm always like, I got to do just a little bit better than last time so that's what i'm always chasing okay but you're keeping it are you keeping it somewhat steady state throughout the hole that's what i'm doing right now yeah like i'm just doing it i just want hitting hitting some hitting some cardio time basically that's burning some calories and getting a little bit of a cardiovascular workout i'm not a huge i don't have a ton of history on the echo bike but when we did first get it getting a little bit of a cardiovascular workout. I'm not a huge,

I don't have a ton of history on the echo bike, but when we did first get it, I did spend a fair amount of time on there. You can absolutely murder yourself in like five minutes on that. In the early days, I was just treating it, when you first got it, I was treating it more like,

just keep like a somewhat steady state, but I was doing what you did, where it's like, oh, I got to go a little faster. And you start kind of ramping up, especially when you're tired and you get really tired yeah and then i don't know something changed and i decided to actually use the little interval buttons or whatever and i did those and those are what wrecked me is those intervals are absolutely so hard well because if you actually try actually sprint yes if you actually try you get punished

so bad oh yeah like 15 second sprints on the echo bike they're so hard they're so hard yes yeah and then all of a sudden because it would it would go and you start doing those and then all of a sudden your your what do you call not the sprints but like the jogs in between you're just like i can barely move it's like i'm, I'm actually not even, I'm just going fast enough. So I'm hoping if I go so slow, it'll make time slow down here before the next. I know.

And it's like, okay, the thing starts. It's like, well, give me like a second to ramp up here. And then, and then it's the same thing when the sprints take a second to rent a second or two to ramp

down. Yeah. It's like, really, I'm going to 15, but once I get to 10, if I kind of ramp down, you do, you're like, I need like a few seconds to to ramp down yeah it's like really i'm going to 15 but once i get to 10 if i kind of ramp down oh you do you're like i need like a few seconds to like i gotta i don't want to be like sprinting through the end you know this isn't a race so i yeah at like a 10 or one i gotta

start slowing things otherwise you get to the rest interval and you're still going pretty fast damn it i need this rest yep and that's exactly how that went for me and yeah those things totally wrecked me they messed me up and i just never it was one of those where it just felt like i never got any better at it like i was doing them i did them fairly consistently for probably a couple months because you can always just push a little harder on the sprint then you just go harder and so it never gets easier actually yeah yeah that's the echo bike you. It's kind of a hard piece of equipment, cardio equipment, isn't it? It is. I'm just trying to think I, cause I could see,

especially this winter. Well, I'm probably getting ahead of myself actually. Cause I could also see this winter possibly having a gym membership for a couple months. Yeah. Um, but there's the whole thing of, well well if i did stick around in the winter it would be nice to have some type of cardio equipment to warm up there well and there yes to warm up and also it does just get so brutal around here that walks i try to take my dog on walks but there's a lot of nights where it's like okay it's negative 20 and the wind's blowing 40 miles an hour like no this is just brutal this is actually not safe for any of us to be out like it's not safe for the dog because his, like he can't even start walking after a

while. And then if I were to slip and fall or anything and it's pitch black out here and I'm kind of in a not super busy spot, I could just lay on that sidewalk and die. I mean, actual things that could happen in a few minutes quickly to like real things that could happen. So it's like, I could see adding a piece of cardio equipment in the winter um but i don't know what that would be i don't know if i'd want a rower i don't know if the echo bike i mean the echo bike's cool i don't know if that would be i don't know what that one would be i don't know i would say what i like about massonomics jim is the variety because i'll get real i'll get really sick of one and i have been using the bike lately but i'll get off of that yeah switch to but what i like about the rogue echo bike is right in the

center i set a drink spotter light and then especially when i'm not doing intervals i'm just doing kind of like steady state thing i'll put my phone right there and then turn on youtube and i can watch like a 10 minute YouTube video while I'm on the bike. And the Drink Spotter Lite works perfect for that, actually. Life hack. One of its intended uses. Yep. Yep.

Is that about it, Tommy? I think so. All right. Where do they find you at? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can make sure to check out the cool beans drop coming up later this week. That's something that's something there. That's very cool beans.

Don't talk to us until you check out that drop and you can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird, but just make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics. See ya. We'll see you next time.