Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 438: 3rd Strongest Man on Earth Lucas Hatton

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

Big Lucas Hatton (Large Legs) is fresh off of his podium finish at The Shaw Classic Strongest Man on Earth. We talk about his recent rise in the strongman ranks, strongman squats, and his large legs. Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Swiss Link Use code MASS to save 15%! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 438 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about near finn my name is tanner and my name is tommy tommy i could hear that intro music like i've never heard it before oh it did actually work better that time yeah yeah actually you didn't even have to point at me i'm like hey i i know that uh when it's starting this time even so even 400 weeks in we still learn stuff every week yeah so we did some uh the audio for the final listeners no change you know it's been working and would continue to work,

but we figured out something with Zoom settings that can make it so we can actually hear each other's music and stuff over Zoom. So I guess our live listeners should also get a little bit better listening experience. Yes. Assuming we continue to know how to do what we're doing there. 438 of the Massonomics Podcast. We've got a special guest, Big Lucas Hatton, coming on here in a little bit.

We've also got a lot of stuff to talk about. But before I get into that, I want to let everyone know to make sure to check out Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI is the training that Tommy and I both use. We're both using it currently. You can use it as well. If you'd like to, you head over to juggernautai.app. That's where you can check it out, find out more information. That's where you can get signed up.

When you get signed up, make sure to use the discount code MASSANOMICS. It's the most important part. It's what will save you 10% for the lifetime of your membership. It's the programming that Tommy used to peak for his meet this summer at the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic and hit some of the biggest numbers. He peaked real hard on it. He's hitting some of the biggest numbers that he hit in half a decade

bench pr baby yeah bench pr all time and uh we're both using it now for like a bridge block leading into not too long into uh won't be long now until we're in a hypertrophy block find out more about all that block stuff though when you check it out at juggernautai.app and this episode is also brought to you by our friends over at texas power bars texas power bars have been making the best power bars for i don't know tanner decades now decades it's hard to keep track of definitely been a while yeah it has been a while as they say uh they are obviously known for their world-class bar, the original Texas Power Bar, but they have a wide variety of bars,

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Tommy's home gym approved. Home gym approved. I'm all about the 29 millimeter Texas power bar. Great, great bar. If you'd like to get any of these bars, head on over to texaspowerbars.com and go crazy. Get one of them, get one of all of them or be like Tanner and get like 10 of all of them.

And while you're there, tell them Masonomics one of all of them, or be like Tanner and get like 10 of all of them. And, uh, while you're there, tell them massonomics sent you. Thank you. Texas power bars. Well, thanks Texas power bars. Yeah. We got a lot of,

a lot of good stuff here this week. Um, first of all, I want to make sure to let everyone know if anyone's thinking about coming to our crew falls meetup event, that's December 7th in Sioux falls. We mentioned it last week. What I would say now is there is a sign-up form

for anyone that's planning on coming. Check that out on our website. You go to the top ribbon to the company tab and then Crew Falls meetup. Click there. There's a short, a brief questionnaire that you get to fill out. You'll probably think,

why are they asking me so many questions? I just want to go party. Questions are to be answered, though. There's a moderate length essay required to be filled out, and we already have several people that have filled that out, but only fill it out if you're at least 69% to 75% sure you're coming. If you're on the fence, do not fill it out yet. You wait. Go ahead and wait until you know that you're at least 69 to 75% sure you're coming. If you're on the fence, do not fill it out yet. You wait.

Go ahead and wait until you know that you're coming, even if it's the day before. Keith said he's 50-50. I would say you don't fill it out then because we want to keep a head count of if, Keith, we get a month out and he's like, no, I think I can make it work. I'm planning on doing it.

I'm like 90% sure. Then you can fill it out. That's what I would say. So it helps us keep a number. And there's already been quite a few people like that uh for being what yep september october november like four months away the itin are the uh the list the roster is already filling up which is nice there's no limit to this the roster can get unlimitedly large like there's no yes there's no cap but it is filling up and uh comment we did a lot of new faces yes a lot of new faces a comment we did make last week. A lot of new faces. Yes, a lot of new faces.

A comment we did make last week is if you live in a city that has an Allegiant airport that flies to Sioux Falls, it might be cheap. There's a few guys from Arizona and Florida looking, and round-trip tickets are like $150. And that's damn near gas money right there. Classic can't-afford-not-to scenario. You really can't if you're in one of those situations.

It's too cheap not to. Yeah, you really, really can't afford not to. You really can't if you're in one of those situations. It's just, it's too cheap not to. Yeah, you really, really can't afford not to. Let's see. Well, other big news is we do have our line in the sand is approaching. So for that, that's for anyone that's been considering becoming a supporting member. Now is the time to do that. It's looking like end of September. that's been considering becoming a supporting member. Now is the time to do that. It's looking like end of September,

so approximately one month from now, we will have a mailing going out to everyone that's a supporting member. Everyone gets in on this, but you only get in on it if you're a supporting member prior to that line in the sand and still during that line in the sand. So you do want to join up now if you've been waiting. If you've been waiting, the time is right now.

Don't wait any longer. Get signed up so you can take advantage of that. It's going to be a pretty cool one. It's a pretty fun one. We don't have it in hand yet, but it's been kind of finalized now, I think, at this point of what it's going to be. A couple of maybe final touches to put on that. So get signed up now.

This is one of your last warnings that you'll get to become a supporting member and to get in on this gift along with all the other cool stuff you get. Do it. A lot of people listened last week. A lot of people got signed up last week. So yeah, be part of the wave here.

Yeah. I'll be in the front of that way for sure. Get in on it while you can. Your number may matter. Your number could matter your number could your number in the list could could make a difference so make sure to get signed up oh okay also this week we have a drop today this afternoon the day that we're recording we actually have a drop coming out of new merchandise items that we're uh releasing onto the world right

tommy that's right are we we might as well about it. I guess we've got a few live listeners that are going to get an early sneak peek. They can just not tell everyone else what it's going to be then. I guess we'll just let them know and the people that didn't listen live don't get to know. I think I have something here.

So first thing is we restocked the chicken bake tea that's been sold completely out for several months now and we finally made this pulled the trigger on restocking the chicken bake tea so you can still get your 52 grams of protein in every chicken bake and you can now get it on a t-shirt once again let everyone know that you know the macro shortcut out there you know there's a lot of macro discussion lately macro factor tracking your macros and uh there's no macro hack like the chicken bake no perfect timing to bring the chicken bake tea back we did also restock the 8-bit strongman tea that was kind of part of this as well we'd have been out of that in sizes 2x 3x and 4x for many months and had a lot of signups on that so back in stock stock, all sizes extra small through 4X.

So even the big boys can get in on the 8-bit Strongman T again. Then we had two new things. One of them looks a little like something we've had in the past. And here it is right here. We're bringing back the Massanomics Lifting Department tee on the oversized. Oh, yeah. Heavy tee. Tommy's got his there also.

The only difference, the other one was a faded navy. This one is a faded black is what the color that they call this. Some people might even say dark gray. Yeah, it's kind of like a dark gray, really, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And I really like this one. As much as I like the first one i like this

one just as much this is uh now tied for my favorite mass and i'm sure it's along with my blue one this dark black one at the top uh i love probably beat this dead horse into submission but i do love the fit of this t-shirt and i could wear it every day and i wouldn't i wouldn't be upset if i wore the head to wear this shirt every single day of my life it is an all-time classic yeah and so we have that in small through 3x 3x is the biggest they go in there but a lot of our usual 4x wearers they buy this in 3x and it still fits even maybe better than the 4x did. So last thing in the drop, though, is what? I don't have it right in front of me. The Crispy Boy Banner.

Yeah, new Crispy Boy Banner. And what's the lineup on this Crispy Boy Banner? I got it right here. So left to right, we got the Bench Heavy Can. We got the Natural for Life Can, Deadlifter, PBR powerlifting, and the Squats can. So one, two, three, four, five cans for your viewing pleasure on the new Crispy Boy banner. Five cans, three of them completely new Crispy Boy cans to the Crispy Boy banner. Never before seen on a Crispy Boy banner.

Kind of usually one of our favorite flags slash banners yeah is the the can ones that we put out and here is the new one and it's a big boy and people like the shape of it too yeah it's a very big banner it's long yes it's 72 inches long actually six feet long and i think it's 26 or 28 inches tall something like that it's a big daddy yes Yes, it is. So that is the drop. Um, decent inventory on the shirts. Uh, but the, the banner,

we only have so many of them, I would say. So if you want a banner, you know, act faster, not slower. Also the first 48 hours of this, you got to save some of those for me.

Yeah, that's what, well, I did. I did that cause there was 50. So I said the first 48 of these go to the first 48 orders in this drop. We got some, yeah,

we got some strong and silly, the silly goose, strong and silly sticker. It's a custom die cut sticker that goes perfectly around the shape of the goose in the text. And I have not seen those in person yet, but in the pictures,

those stickers look really good. Yeah, that's a really cool sticker. Yeah, I like it. So you can get that for free by ordering in the first 40-some orders of this drop while supplies last. Tommy, you got anything to drink over there this week? What are you drinking?

Just some flat, still water out of my Hall of Fame cup. Oh, well, boring beverage, exciting cup. Exactly. I've got exciting cup, Coors Light Twins cup. The Twins. Yeah, and this is like run-of-the-mill sparkling water. It's a lemon-lime water lube. Run-of-the-mill.

You don't know how to talk down to it like that. We're talking about one of the greats. Let me take a sip of this. Oh yeah. Still water in South Carolina. We just call that water. Like how you're speaking. We,

you're speaking for them. Like you're one of them. Well, we won't spill the beans yet, but maybe eventually we'll be able to assimilate with the culture there in the Carolinas. Maybe. Something to stay tuned for a little mass dynamics update as far as the Carolinas go.

Totally. Talked about our new drop items here. I wanted to make sure to hit on that. There was a new Jefferson deadlift world record. Did you put that in here? I just put that in there right now. Okay. Yeah.

I didn't remember if I wrote that down, but I'm glad you mentioned that. Yes. That is worth, worth bringing up here. You know, being as we are the official record keepers at all, it's our burden to bear,

but we must be, people would be shocked at the, just the sheer amount of activity on that record board year round. It's like a full time, but we must bear it. People would be shocked at just the sheer amount of activity on that record board year-round. It's like a full-time job. Two of them. Usually what happens is whenever there's a new activity on it, that drums up one or two other people that are like,

hey, I'm on that list. Comes out of the woodwork. Yeah, so someone did come out of the woodwork. I don't know what country this guy is from, but actually updated the list today. The third place, someone did 880 pounds. Oh, really? He's now in third.

Bumped down Forsaken Warrior into fourth place and bumped 10 off the list. So now number 10 is 725. Number one is 963 from Deadliest Lift, Mark Rosenberg. So you have to do above 725 now in order to make it into the top all right we don't they don't let just anyone on that leaderboard no and you have to do above 963 in order to take the number one spot now so that what list of people is going to get pretty short

yes we're looking at close to a thousand pound jefferson deadlift required to be the world record holder now uh but that always exciting to see. And just, it almost doesn't look real. No. Mark Rosenberg deadlifts. And I don't know, did you pay attention to the bar he's using? He wasn't using that new American bar

called Deadlift Bar, which is almost a topic in itself worth discussing. That's true. Because that thing is taking bars to an, deadlift bars to an extreme. Yeah. What do you think of that bar? I mean, I don't have a problem with people making bars like that. I think that's an extreme. Yeah. What do you think of that bar? I mean, I don't have a problem with people making bars like that.

I think that's totally fine. I guess this is the thing with deadlift bars, though, is probably more than any other bar, especially if you pull heavyweight, don't people want to use the bar that they typically use in a comp, you know? So unless a bunch of comps start moving to american deadlift bars it seems like maybe it's more of a gym novelty than right i but who knows maybe a bunch of people are going to start uh adding this bar at their comps i don't know it's kind of just

like in between our deadlift bar and like the elephant bar at this point it's starting to look like that yes yeah because even compared to a texas deadlift bar what weren't the collars out several more inches from there he was several inches more than the kabuki deadlift bar even which is several inches more than the texas so it might be like four to six inches longer both on both sides it might be almost a foot the collars might be out collectively almost a foot more than the, I shouldn't say it that way. I should really say like on each side, they're out like four inches more. Big Anthony asked when we're getting one, when I'll be getting one for the gym.

Not really high on the list. I'd be more inclined to get like an elephant, you know, like something more abnormal even because I'm like, what are we, you know, that's why it's kind of why I've never gotten the Kabuki deadlift bar because I'm like,'m like what are we you know that's why it's kind of why i've never gotten the kabuki deadlift bar because i'm like well what are we doing now we just need like slightly longer deadlift bars like is everyone just going to continue to make one that's just like three inches longer than whatever else exists it does feel like it's sort of a dumb arms race to like at what point right and again i'm not again i'm not the traditional no

i'm not it's like what are we chasing here like what is the more people the more different stuff that people make the better i think but just conceptually the idea of this particular thing i'm like i agree i'm like it's a race to what exactly it's like all right does someone come out with one that's again four inches longer like this is peak deadlift bar like where is uh and to be also like this disclaimer american barbell we have the chewy bar that honestly might be the best barbell like oh it's a really nice it is so nice it's expensive it's very expensive but it is so insanely nice so i have no doubts about the quality i'm sure it's an amazing bar with great and early and isn't it all stainless too?

Yes. Maybe, maybe the bar probably is too, but yeah, I'm picturing a really funny meme. It almost needs like AI to make it for you, but it's a deadlift bar. Like that just keeps going on and on and on.

Like, you know, it's like, you just like panning on the deadlift bar and it just keeps going and going and going. Like, it's like, there's no limit to the length of the deadlift bar. I wasn't even looking, Tanner. I just let our guest in.

So our guest isn't at the moment. But he's got to wait like 10 minutes. So I guess he gets to see us talk about things. Yeah. We'll wrap up our couple of things and then we'll get him on. We'll get his take on the new deadlift bars. As a strong man, he'll have some opinion on deadlift bars. So that'll be good.

Yes. Okay. I got something funny here tanner i i met a person this weekend that is part of uh part of the massonomics history books and it's been a long time since i've seen this person okay um you got my attention i actually i shouldn't even tell you to guess because maybe you can uh is it oh i already forgot his first is it alan larson oh yeah big alan larson yeah yeah ran into he did in the 2018 massonomic strongman okay what did he go what what did those guys go up to on the yoke that year wasn't it like 1100 yeah i think like 1200 pound yoke it was a rising bar yoke event and we got them up we essentially went until we had used every bit of weight that we had brought to the event and they were at like a 1200 pound each yoke and he

finally it was finally just enough to tap the other guy out i remember at the time when those guys did that thinking i didn't think anyone could go to a 1200 pound yoke unless you were in world's strongest man it was it was like the craziest thing i'd ever seen at that point i didn't even know that was possible outdoors indoors in the dust. Definitely the average fans that we had watching there that don't even know about strong man. We're really like, wow, that sounds like a lot. Like that looks, there's a lot of weight. These guys are really doing it. Uh, yeah, I ran into him at that tacos and tequila concert. I went to, I was walking through the food truck area and I hear Tommy and I look and he's like like you probably don't remember me and i'm sitting there

i'm like god like you did the yolk didn't you he goes yeah that's right uh and so you had to remind me his name i couldn't remember at the time but um yeah he's a good good dude um good dude he must be a florida fan then too huh well florida, Flo Rida wasn't at this. This was Mike Jones, Twista. Oh, that's right. I thought Flo Rida was at that too. No, that was at the Sioux Empire Fair the week before. You know, this is like the hip-hop mecca down here. Yeah, I'm getting confused on that then. Okay. Yeah, so how was Mike Jones in the rest of it?

I got to say, out of everyone on the lineup, the one of them that I was probably, I mean, for sure my top two, top three was Mike Jones, people I wanted to see. And, of course, they had him the very first act of the entire day at like 3 o'clock, and I was not about to get there at 3 o'clock. So I missed him. One of my other brothers was at the concert,

and he said Mike Jones' set was like 20 minutes long and i'm thinking dude mike jones has maybe it's just the massonomics gym bias but he has way more than 20 minutes where the hits i'm like he's got 20 minutes of bangers easy i can guarantee you i've heard mike jones play a single song still tipping on like repeat for an hour straight in the gym and no one's done anything about it before he could have just done that for a set and i would have been fine with it so unfortunately i did not see mike jones and i was pretty disappointed by that yeah but how many times has still tipping played on repeat for an hour and no one's no one said anything until about 45 minutes in it's not a very offensive song like you could hear it quite a few times and it's not gonna like really annoy anyone you gotta hear it quite a few

times before you get annoyed by that it's good it's good so i yeah i didn't have a i didn't have a ton to add there but uh i guess the others were good though uh the other things at the concert other quick takeaways would be uh twista says a lot when he is rapping there's just after like four or five twists of songs like dude this guy has felt like he has said nine albums worth of lyrics because he's just going so fast the entire time uh genuine i don't know if anyone knows a genuine song besides pony you know the fact that he went the fact that he went before little john was crazy uh and it was like the most r&b thing ever you know like three guys dressed in all white like it just felt like 90s r&b like just doing their songs yeah Yeah. Whatever. That was fine. Uh, little John's set

was way different than Aberdeen and Aberdeen. It was kind of just a DJ set. Like he was just kind of like on the mic and doing DJ stuff where this one, he was like out front, like he was singing most of his songs. The Ying Ying twins performed earlier in the day. They came back out for his set to do cause he had so many songs, all these uh so yeah he was he was really really good actually he was he was better than when he was in aberdeen um yeah ying yang twins were actually surprisingly good you forget how many hits they do have uh they are old now no doubt about it those guys look those guys look pretty old and you have long dreads and stuff have long dreads and uh like the one had long dreads and goatee and like they're white you know they're mostly white which is a clear indicator of your age right there.

Uh, otherwise though, the day was, it was a pretty fun day. Yeah, that's good. You know, $14, 24 ounce beers with a 20% tip built in automatically, which is wild to me. Like just change the price of the beers. Right. So you're saying they were like $17. Like the first beers i bought don't leave a tip and the total is 34 it's like this says 14 how are we getting where's the

extra six coming from until you see a very fine print it's like with it included 20 percent gratuity i'm like just change the price of the damn drinks right like why that's like the beer isn't 14 anymore the beer is now uh plus uh 280 you know the beer isn't $14 anymore. The beer is now, uh, plus, uh, two 80. You know, the beer is now like almost $17. Yeah.

Um, one of the thing, as long as we're on, that just reminded me, as long as we're on our hip hop R and B segment of the podcast, I want to mention that, uh, I keep,

uh, continuing this week to ask my son where he lands on the Drake, uh, Kendrick. And he keeps getting mad at me he goes dad that's over it is it is over but i so i keep asking him now i'm like where do you land on this kendrick lamar uh drake beef and he is unimpressed by my lack of knowledge let it die man yeah and i have to say i i couldn't possibly know less about what the beef was or wasn't,

or, uh, what I just actually don't know. I know so little that I barely actually didn't even really know who Kendrick Lamar was. Like, I know the name, but like his music, I had to listen to a couple of songs. I'd be like, Oh, that guy's Kendrick Lamar. Like his is very, uh, definitive of like, I'm like, oh, that guy's Kendrick Lamar. Like his is very definitive of like, I'm like, oh, that guy. And I was like, I actually like this guy better because his sound at least is like significantly,

it sticks out to me in a meaningful way that I'm like, okay, yeah, this guy's doing something different than a lot of other things that I have listened to. Yeah, there was a few Kendrick songs that I always played in the gym. So whether you heard those ones or not, if I did, there's no way you couldn't not know them because I played them like every

day for years on end. Yeah. He's great. Great lyricist. Kendrick Lamar is awesome. Along those same lines, you know, one of the songs that he had in the, in the little beef was not like us. And I don't know who, I think it was Twista played not like us.

And oh man, it was like, you might as well have been at a Kendrick Lamar concert. The crowd was just going crazy for it, which always surprised me. Like when someone plays someone else's song, like how does that go over? But people were fired up. It was well received.

Yeah. Okay. Uh, should we, we could do, we can do ads and stuff later and we could do supporting our supporting members after the guests. So do you think we should kick off the live listeners?

I'll start booting them right now. Okay. Then sick of these live listeners anyways anyways harassing us this whole time, so be excited to get rid of these guys finally. It's like a monkey off of our back kicking these live listeners off finally. But don't kick Big Lucas off. No, no, no, no. We'd have to just shut this whole thing down.

Okay, so Lucas is actually in a giant traffic jam. It must be one of those specific northwest traffic jams will maybe it's like a giant tree that fell down we'll get the details on it when he comes back on so we are going to uh go over a couple other things first but that's okay because we got a lot of things to talk about anyway so first uh where i left off on the last thing i think is uh supporting our supporting members um big jordy got married oh yes or wait did he get married or is he getting married or he might have actually got married that timeline totally straight yeah yeah he uh big jordy who is on the okay podcast who does uh you know the camera work film film work for Big Grant at the Strength Co.

And Jordy's also a supporting member. I think at the time of recording this, he may already be married. I'm not totally sure anymore. Yeah, so congrats on the funeral if you've already had it. Or congrats on the upcoming funeral if it's coming here soon. Then Big Katie got second in her strongman competition. Well done. So congrats to Big Katie.

And then Big Ashley was this week's guest on Unpaid and Underrated. Check that out. It's our bratty little sister podcast. They put out a new episode every Tuesday where they feature one of the supporting crew members each week. So go give that a listen. It's a big Ashley this week. Get to learn a little bit more about her. I would also say just like we mentioned earlier,

now is the time to become a supporting member. If you've been on the fence, get the hell off that fence. There's fences. There's lines in the sand. There's a number of things going on. There's horses and asses. You can ride usually typically just one horse per ass. And in this case, hopefully that horse is going to be becoming a Massanomics podcast

supporting member by heading over to massanomics.com slash join and selecting whichever level makes most sense to you. Every level makes sense to someone. The only level that doesn't exist is the zero dollar level that is not an option for anyone right you gotta know you're legit here uh and this week's episode speaking of the strength co is brought to us by the strength co you can check them over check them out over at the strength.co they have the best uh two inch Olympic iron made-in-America plates that exist. They're black, E-coated, smooth, easy to grip.

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And if you want to check out any of our, we talked about some discount codes and stuff that we have, but you go to massanomics.com slash affiliates. That's where we have our discount codes and affiliates. Barefoot Shoes, Juggernaut, BuildFast, Formula Strength Co., Swiss Link, Rep, Rep Fitness, Bells of Steel, Macro Factor. We have several affiliate links

where if you click on any of those affiliate links, some of them you may have savings through discount codes. Some of them may just be a kickback towards us. But if you're going to purchase products from any of those companies, it helps us out a little bit in in the process so we would appreciate it okay what's uh which one of these things do we want to talk about then we've got a few different things on the list here uh i am oh that's what larson was it was alan l Larson. Yes. Yeah. Alan Larson.

Okay. Now that's making more sense to me. Okay. I'll talk about this PRX thing then for a few minutes. Educate me. So there, yeah, there was the, you know, the big controversy. I was well aware of the controversy. Yeah. So what was the controversy kind of like?

How would you summarize that? As a guy that didn't pay super close attention, so I could have some things wrong here, but I believe the official term was Jammergate. There was some controversy regarding Kaizen, DIY, Big Kyle, and some of the work that I believe he had done himself and with Vendetta and Jimpin. There's enough brands I have a hard time keeping all straight. I believe those are the names there.

He had done some work with them to create jammer arms that I don't know, fully articulating the right word where you could lock them at different positions and they can move in different ways. And then PRX had come out with a product that was all encompassing that did all of those things. And I believe, I don't know if there was some ill will that had been created there. I don't know if like patents were actually infringed on or anything like that. But I know there was some controversy around the way PRX had done it. A lot of people felt like they had ripped off Kyle. And PRX had a series of just terrible apology videos.

It was like you couldn't have done that any worse than what they did. it was like you couldn't have done that any worse than what they did yeah and then uh i think that they decided to try and make amends is the way i took it and it looked like kyle went on a trip to the great white north of fargo yeah that's what i was gonna say it looked like i listened to the do you even lift bro podcast and that's with big kyle and big mike who uh big mike we got to meet for the first time at home gym con uh this year and hung out with him at that little, it was in the casino, right? Was that a casino? Yeah, that was in fact a casino, yes.

Yeah. And I've been listening to their podcast and they talked about their trip. So Kyle went on the trip to Fargo and then also Jake from. Okay, yes, yes. I thought someone went with him. Yeah, I thought I saw that. Yeah, so Jake was there there too so they were just a few hop skipping a jump away from us is trying to talk him into popping on down in here and uh coming to massanomics gym but it didn't fit into the schedule i guess but it sounds like they have met with them and that fences are

being mended that did they bring shovels and hatchets? I think that they have buried most of the hatchets at least. I don't know if there's any hatchets still above ground or if they've all been completely buried. There's been fence mending, hatchet burying,

and peacemaking. I think they spit in each other's palms and then shook hands. There yeah yeah i think they spit in each other's palms and then shook hands there may have been blood oaths related to it but i i don't know if at the end of the day i don't know if they've ultimately like decided anything but i feel like uh on a personal level they've okay so they didn't give me any behind the scenes stuff as to well i don't i just don't i don't know if they even know yet what exactly i think they're just like working like the big thing is like they're open and communicating it's like their relationship status is it's complicated right now yeah it's they change that it's complicated on

facebook and they also removed all the they deleted all the pictures that they used to be in together on their facebook profile so like oh yeah that seems pretty doesn't seem all that complicated doesn't seem all that complicated like why is your profile picture now of you in a swimsuit your profile picture is you in your car with your sunglasses on by yourself what's going on there the key is like man in his 30s something changes in

driver's seat selfie sunglasses on that is true isn't it yeah that's funny because it's true so i think they're more amicable than that than these facebook relationships they did say i do know that they got to go wake surfing i saw that actually i was pretty jealous it looked like they're on a banging boat there. Yeah. So do you, what's better wakeboarding or wake surfing? Well,

I'll put it this way. Um, you at the, I, at this point in my life, hardly ever want to go wakeboarding and, uh, behind a big boat. I'm actually not sure I could go wakeboarding because it is so high impact and the bigger boat just makes, instead of being the wave you ride up, instead of basically hitting a, I don't know, one foot ramp, you're now hitting like a four foot ramp every time. Talk to me, explain it to me like I'm five. What is the difference between wakeboarding and wake surfing? Wakeboarding, I mean, you're going about 25 miles an hour

and then you're cutting and hitting a ramp. And so you're probably going over 30. And if you know what you're doing, you're now getting like 10 feet up in the air which involves all right you're going 30 plus miles an hour 10 feet in the air falling on your head slamming your knees like things you can do when you're young but the older you get you're like i would die if i did that okay and that is like wakeboarding behind good boats like that's what it's like whereas wake surfing you're going like eight miles an hour and you're not holding on to anything and when you fall you just fall into the water

it's you just gently coast to a fall just coast or if you fall it's like you just felt i mean it's like jumping into the water it's so so you you what you're just eventually letting you're starting with the rope and then you just let go that's like the key yeah yeah when you got a good boat yeah the the wave the wave will propel you along right just keep going yeah and it's like everyone can like if someone's really good how long could they continue to go forever you could just stand okay i mean i'm not even really good i could just stand there forever like it's not like you just always keep going yeah it's just if you start doing tricks like you can do spins and some guys can like pop the board up and catch it and yeah like if you have a really nice boat you can like go to

the other side of the way like you can do all types of crazy stuff but a lot of it is limited to having a boat that's like 80 000 plus dollars so how different is the thing you're standing on in the two oh i mean they're both a board and that's about where the similarities are like what what what is how would you describe the so wakeboard a wakeboard is um a little bit more like a snowboard just instead of being you know it's just wider but that you have you have your bindings you're actually strapped physically strapped into the bindings whereas a wake surf board there's a bunch of different styles there's more like cruiser ones that are more like a traditional surfboard like they have big fins in the back and they're big and long and floaty there's a bunch of different styles there's more like cruiser ones that are more like a traditional surfboard like they have big fins in the back and they're big and long and floaty and then they have

like more skim style ones where it's like a little bit more like a skateboard in style so it just depends on what you're trying to do what your skill level is all of that is wake surfing newer because when i was little i remember i don't remember anyone ever saying wake surf i don't remember even knowing what it was until out of high school for sure right right and then like I had my boat I had a I had a direct drive boat which isn't ideal for wake surfing but you could load up some ballast and get everyone sitting in the right ways and so you could you could surf behind it it just wasn't like I knew a few people that have like newer Malibu boats which are absolutely insane or like there I there was a guy in aberdeen he had like a really nice like

nautique boat and you know you're talking about boats that are over a hundred thousand dollars and you just show up on those things and you basically just push the button and go and it's amazing like it's it creates this huge wave like you can just ride it all day yeah that's that's fun uh so your old boat you would go wakeboarding behind it? We would typically do wakeboarding, yeah. Can you wakeboard slowly and cautiously? Or can you not even be dumb? I mean, yeah.

When people were learning on my boat, like I'm not driving on like 24, 22 miles an hour. There, it's like yeah you're probably gonna max out like you have to have a certain amount of speed otherwise you just you need yeah like there's got to be a certain amount of speed to like break you from the water but like once you learn like in the beginning for wakeboarding like once you get to a very basic level of skill you can just kind of carve back and forth and it's fun but like a lot of things progressing is really fun too and so it gets

right oh i can do this i need to try and like ramp off the wake a little and then all of a sudden you start doing that and falling on your head and you're like yeah maybe i don't want to do that anymore like when my friend that taught me how to wakeboard it was insanely good i mean he could do like 540s and flips and clear the wake both way like he could do so much stuff it was like a show when this guy would go out there and i was talking to him the other day and he has a boat and he's like, we basically, the only thing we do is slalom ski. He's like, we just slalom ski. We don't, he's like, I don't even wakeboard anymore. It's too hard on my knees. And his boat isn't really set up to surf. Cause like I said, if you really want to have an ideal setup, you just need a ton of money to

throw at it. So he's like, we basically just slalom ski. Like he's like, we go three, four times a week. And I mean, that is is you can hurt yourself big time there too because now you're going like 35 plus as your flat speed and then you're cutting and i think people say like when you slalom ski like if you cut good you can like almost double your speed so you can go really really fast there but it is a workout and it looks really cool too yeah seems dangerous it is but that's water sports standard you know everything about water sports now that's uh what about those uh blobs bobs uh like from uh heavyweights yeah like the heavyweight yeah i mean they're a thing yeah they're very much a thing i don't know it you know what water sport i would like the not even actually the bob just the the really really giant

thing you just lay in the water that's just like uh, it's not even really a raft because like the Maui mat, like a giant Maui mat. The people that thought of that, like basically it's to get this giant ass piece of foam and we can charge people like $600 for it. And I wondered if they're really expensive. Oh yeah. They're a, how do you store that thing? You see you, you roll it up and then you just, yeah. A Maui mat. I'm're really expensive. Oh, yeah. How do you store that thing? You roll it up, and then you just...

Yeah, a Maui mat. I'm just really quick Google. Prices, $500 to $700. And so many people have those things hanging off the back of their boats now. And then that's what you do, right? You just sit around on it? Yeah, you just chill. You kind of float halfway in the water, halfway out.

I mean, they are nice. Don't get me wrong. If you want to hang out, it's a great way to to hang out because when you're in the middle of the lake you can't just you don't want to just be treading water for hours on end but here there could be sharks in there there could be sharks in there here you can throw this out and you can just chill you can kind of hang off the end of it or sit in it when you're in like a foot or two of water it's they're nice i'm gonna have to say I never really liked being in lakes that much. Oh, dude. Lakes are what's hot.

Actually, that's... I think when I was little, I got leeches, and it scarred me forever that I'm like, I don't really like being in here that well. I don't want leeches on me. If I somehow came in possession of a lot of money, I'd probably buy a lake cabin. That'd be pretty high on my

list i think you could probably get one on a shitty lake without even a lot of money i don't even know like not a recreational lake well yeah that's the point would be like a lake to where you could like do shit on it you know have a boat actually have some shoreline because even that can be hit or miss, depending where you're at. So that would be, I mean, I had, because I grew up on a place not far from a lake, and I had so many friends that had lake cabins,

and so we'd spent huge chunks of summers out there, and oh, it was so much fun. The sweet part about that is when you're a kid and it's someone else's lake cabin. Oh, yeah. The shitty part is when you're an adult, and you're like, oh, I spend way more time taking care. Yeah, this is like a house, but all I do now is mow.

Yeah, I know. I know. We haven't had time to get into the water. We were just working on prod. Yeah, that's the thing. You get to the point where if you can afford one, it's like, yeah, you got to hire someone to do all the yard stuff. So you just show up and go. That's the key.

Like if you came into a lot of money, then it's like, okay, now I don't have to actually like do all of the work. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what people say about boats in general is boats are great when somebody like it's awesome when someone else owns a boat. I, you know, I had a boat for like five years, so I can, I can speak to the trials and tribulations of it because I had pretty much everything that you could have had happen with it happen. Yeah. But at the end of the day, made a lot of memories.

It was a lot of fun. But just imagine if you could have gone it happen with it happen. But at the end of the day, made a lot of memories. It was a lot of fun. But just imagine if you could have gone out every time. Oh, yeah. Like I said, during that time, I had a few friends that had the nicest boats in the world. I'm like, I don't got to worry about these drunk assholes. And like getting the boat loaded right and having the gear. Like, it's so hands off. It's the best thing ever.

Okay. Well, it's no snowmobile though, is it? Snowmachine is what we call them here. Okay. In South Carolina, we just call those mobiles. The mobile. When I was little, almost everyone had a snowmobile and people drove them around here in Western Northeast South Dakota in the plane, you know, in the plane area, South Dakota and in, in Eastern Northeast South Dakota,

people drive them to school all the time. Right, right. For sure. And anymore, I don't know if it's because snowmobiles have just become so specialized and like such expensive, uh, crazy big pieces of equipment, like intended for mountain climbing and stuff like that but like very it's so much rare that i even see people riding around on snowmobiles because it's like they just you just trailer it to uh montana the black hills montana wyoming i think you're right i think that has become a thing one they are so insanely expensive like the guys that get these like you have to spend twenty thousand dollars for sure you have like a car that's like not really a car i mean don't get me wrong i bet going out there's the funnest thing ever but uh that can't that can't contribute and then like just 90 of the

time there's not good snow in this part of the country ever so you're just screwed um our guest is ready now tanner oh okay well should we pop them on? Yes, let's do it. All right. So big Lucas Hatton, we're excited to get you on the third strongest man on planet earth, correct? Yeah, that, that still hasn't really hit me yet. That's what that means. Yeah, it's just crazy show how the points fell and just kind of took it one event at a time and stayed in it. the points fell and just kind of took it one event at a time and stayed in it. Yeah. And so it just, uh, for anyone that's the time of us recording, this will just come out a few days later, but the time of us recording, it just happened, I don't know, like four, half a week ago. You probably, how long, when'd you get home? I got home Tuesday night and yesterday I sat in the dark watching movies and

I'm not ashamed to admit I did uh uber eats three times that's just living the life right there yeah i just i disconnected from the world for one day so this this uh this podcast is actually my first re-entering into society we'll be gentle we hope to help you assimilate uh no it's a lot's changed since then ai has taken over the world i don't know, but a lot of different. So what were your Uber Eats choices? Oh, there's a local burrito spot for the morning. We did some midday Five Guys and then topped the day off with some Domino's.

That's a really great variety. Yeah, that is like three major food groups there. Tacos, burgers, and pizza. I mean, what else can I mean what else is pretty heavy that's a great day yeah so that's the give myself one day of just uh zero obligations and we're getting back to it today yeah and so you do you live in washington state right i do yeah i'm uh i live in tacoma and my gym uh is about 20 minutes south of tacoma in auburn okay and it's what your gym is dungeon strength yeah so how long have you been a gym owner uh probably end of 2021 I think I've owned

two gyms with my business partner Ryan thankfully one of those sold so we get to put 100% of our effort into Dungeon Strength we've been in a newer bigger space since last September and since September of last year we doubled in size

at least nice which is just madness i can't even believe how everything's just happened but you know he's he's uh i've got great part great business partners uh ryan's the man behind everything like i think people associate dungeon as being just my gym um just because i'm kind of the face of it but that's that he's the guy that makes everything run um so so what kind of well like how would you describe dungeon gym obviously got a bunch of strongman equipment as a strongman gym or was that not like because i'm not all that familiar so i don't yeah our mission definitely is to be the best strongman gym in the world um i think we're kind of well on our way um we've had uh nine or ten people go pro while they've

been training on a dungeon wow um quite a few world titles a lot of international podiums a lot of national championships um so i think on that front we're well on our way and that kind of trickles down into some of the best strongman coaching um and basically all those all those pros are coaching out of the gym um and we're kind of building up a base on the powerlifting side too we have all the equipment that someone needs uh to be a good powerlifter be a good weightlifter we just had uh basically a weight lifting gym alpha barbell move into our space so we just accumulated probably 50 weightlifters in the last couple months too it's just it's really cool man it's just it's an intersection of a lot of uh really motivated educated people in strength sports and

they're just all under the same roof and everybody's just getting better fast yeah like you said you had all the equipment someone would need to be a really good power lifter it's funny we have all that equipment too but we just can't be really good power lifters i wish the equipment would do we're always thinking we're always searching for that final missing piece of equipment that's been holding us back yeah it's got to be that that's what's missing it's like yep yep this this dumbbell rack was what we needed to get strong yeah this is what now we're going to be able to get strong finally uh so there must be a pretty big strong man community in like your part of the world then obviously like based on talking about having that many people go pro and being able to have a primarily strong man gym and have it be successful

and you know enough participation it must be a big community around there yeah and it it wasn't until it was right um and i think it was just um because a lot of those people who are now those pros i'm talking about if you went to a local show up here like five six years ago the people who are winning all the local show divisions are those people who are now pros who are now world champions who are now national champions and um that group just stayed together um in 2020 that group just stayed together. In 2020, that group started Dungeon Strength. There's a lot of, you know, the details aren't really super important, but basically Dungeon Strength was going to be the place

for all those people to go train locally. And it's just kind of grown together. And I think because of the gym, and there's a lot of other really good gyms that are growing too in the area that the community's, you know, double, triple, quadruple to just every year when we host shows, it gets bigger every year. Other gyms add shows into the schedule and I'm like, Oh no, maybe we have too many now their shows are full too.

It's just Washington is blown up. There's a lot of cool like strength history up here. Like we had, we had Jesse Marundi up here. We have a great of cool strength history up here. We had Jesse Marunde up here. We had Grant Higa still up here. It's a cool spot, man. Yeah. That's why I was kind of thinking about those guys when even asking that question. I know having Jesse been around there and then Grant then too.

So, yeah, that's cool. having Jesse been around there and then, uh, grant them too. So yeah, that's cool. Um, so going back to your, the, this last weekend third place strongest man on earth. Um, did you feel going into it? Like was a podium where you're like, if I do well, a podium is where I'll land or what was your expectation? I actually had a disagreement with um with alec my coach because we did a uh i mean leading up to the show we were roommates where he's my coach he's my friend so we're sitting around talking strong man all day long basically every day um

and he was like best case scenario i think you can get third and i was like hey man tom stoltman exists i think i think if i take all of these risks if i you know overperform if i do all these things on this roster i think i can get fourth i think fourth is the ceiling um honestly i could set all prs and get eighth uh just for that roster of dudes And for me, I was just trying to match or slightly beat performances in the gym across eight events that were, you know, the heaviest that's ever been assembled in an eight event order. And, um, after day one, I didn't do that. Day one, I left a lot of points on the board. Um, not the best the best uh execution on deadlift as far as like scoring points great deadlift prs but not scoring points um left some points on the board on the press

medley just not being in good enough shape to do it um set a pr on the throw but still got 13th you know and then did an okay performance on the stone but just with how the points fell it ended up being one of the most important events of the show because everyone zeroed the damn thing. So after day one, I was sitting in eighth and I'm like, okay, best case we can do is have a decent day two and maybe end up sixth to eighth. And I could have been more wrong on how day two would fall, man. Yeah. You actually talking about the deadlift, said you know you hit some prs i watched your video so i kind of saw how it went but i don't know if tommy knows the details on

that but so you got your opening deadlift and then could you explain what happened on your other other give us a weight on the opener too yeah so uh i went uh 856 on my opener technically my pr is 860 but we just never max so i knew that that was nowhere close to what my max was um we planned on going um 886 on number two and i smoked it it was fast i didn't have to hitch to not do any of that stuff um but in the rules meeting we'd agreed basically they were trying to make a standard to say okay we're using standard straps and they have to stay tight right so you can use standard straps and still kind of cheat the range of motion if you let the hand open so the rule that we'd all agreed on was that the thumb had to stay in solid contact

with the index during the pull um well i have these you know big hands but they're very chubby hands so like when i am locked down as tight as i can go on my straps i am barely touching um so as much as i smoked that 886 i pulled it um everyone saw ed cohen give the thumbs up which has the side judge he wasn't this thumbs up does not mean necessarily good lift it means knees hips shoulders all of the lockout standards are hit and then the front judge will give the down command if but when ed cohen did this he had also seen that my hand was open right so by that standard i was going to get a no lift but if he was to sit there and not give any kind of indication based on this

thumb right i'd just sit there and never get a down command right i'd hold it forever because you can't retroactively put it back on so ed did the right thing doing this to say a lockout standard was good i got the front down and then i so they ended up taking the lift because of that bay that by the letter of the rules, I didn't get the lift. I did smoke it at any other contest in the world. I pulled 886. That is a really tricky rule. It is, and I don't know if I agree.

I don't like that at all because that is really hard to... I mean, it's weird because you talk about powerlifting. It's not a relevant rule because there's no straps. Okay, to be clear here, are you saying you had figure eights or you had just the regular straps? I had regular straps. You couldn't wear figure eights. So we weren't allowed to do figure eights. Yeah, yeah, okay.

But you can still get a little extra if you set up your straps right. To me, that's like if you're saying you're allowed to use this piece of equipment, it's tricky then for me to be like, but you need to use it exactly this way i agree with that and the same thing it's like if you're going to be that then it's like well what at what point do you say well we're not doing hitching anymore and you know like it was it was interesting too because like we were allowed to hitch we were allowed to ramp but another like weird little thing with you know strongest men on earth is um they also said in the rules we weren't allowed to have downward motion on the bar or uh slack in our arms so that um that like derrick poundstone right where they seat bend the arms yeah yeah that wasn't allowed in the contest um and i think i think that the line

of thinking that brian's getting at was um he wants not necessarily to match the norms of the sport he kind of wants to set a different standard of like what a strongman deadlift is um he'd rather be more stringent in his show than the other shows, which I get what he's getting at. Um, I think it's kind of too, it's a mixed bag. It's like, is it too far gone? Is it like, what is the norm and strongman? Like, um, the execution on that exact thing. What, what you got red, red lighted for stuff is I mean, singleton losses, third deadlift like that too. They were consistent about it.

Right. Um, but on his second one, he pulled it right after. I just lost my lift. I'm watching it in the back, and his hand is like this when he pulls his second one, and he still gets the lift. But his hand anatomy is so different that his hand's like this, and you can still see his thumb is touching. It's just different hand anatomy, but we all have different anatomy that affects every event.

So I can't sit here and whine about that um i have very favorable anatomy for other events right it's just it's how it goes um i think i think it's um just based on the conversation with brian after the show i mean he's immediately contemplating how do we change it how do we make it better i i think iteration one it's decent yeah um it'll get it'll get better for year two i've i've so much so much respect and faith uh after just the conversation i had this weekend brian's the brian's the man like yeah yeah it wasn't a perfect show but damn it he really really wants it to be and i think it's gonna just keep getting better yeah i'm sure you're right there's no doubt about that um day two then four more events and you won the dumbbell

event right you you you were the only one of three people to win an event of the weekend right yeah yeah it's a thor won five and still somehow got second that's kind of crazy like second by a pretty wide margin after winning over half of the events too yeah the overhead press thing kind of is killing him right now but yeah it is and but he's he's still he's still kind of in a league of his own he didn't have to do the last event to beat me um so hooper and thor definitely ran away and basically had their own contest. But yeah, day two was awesome. The squat ended up second. The arm over arm, I thought that'd be a rough event for me. Like in the past, so my amateur nationals year that I went pro,

I was leading by over 20 points. And arm over arm made me get second in the show. I'm pretty bad at arm over arm made me get second in the show i'm pretty bad at arm over arm but ended up mid ended up mid pack at uh strongest man on earth and arm over arm so like still getting better like that's that was a huge like mental pr for me just i'm terror i've been terrified of that event it's it's ruined shows for me before it's the reason i lost the amateur arnold too um so getting better arm over arm uh came into the dumbbell in it was interesting right before the dumbbell i saw the scoreboard

and i'm like okay i'm sitting in like sixth or seventh and everyone ahead of me i'm like i can beat them in dumbbell and i know i'm good at power stairs. So I'm like, there's this weird shot where I'm like, oh shit, Stoltman just zeroed two events. Like, I might get third. And then I go out on dumbbell and finish the dumbbell and everyone else kind of shanked it. And I'm like, oh, damn it. I can get third. And it came down to on the power stairs, basically a three-way race of the three slowest dudes at the show. Me, Trey, and Andrade. basically a three-way race of the uh three slowest dudes at the show me me trey and uh andrade um you know the girth boys racing for third yeah um you know trey trey went out first on that um set a big pr compared to any powerster performance he's had

before um basically finished the thing just a little minute difference of him not finishing and then i got to go head to head with andrade and um rest of history it's crazy yeah yeah and so your third place you finished there wasn't the last show you did did you not also finish third place podium uh also there behind thor and hooper wasn't it yeah that was uh arnold uk yeah i've had i had one show in between up at North America's Strongest. But yeah, that was the second time this year I've shared that same exact podium with those two guys. That's pretty good company.

It is. If you're sticking on the podium with those guys, you get to show up there on multiple occasions. That says something. Also, it says something that now you've done it twice in not that many months. I think there was a little chatter too about the Arnold UK and it is somewhat

fair a lot of the guys at the Arnold UK just treated it as like a secondary show to the Arnold Ohio so some I heard a few comments like okay well this is the time where you're going to go against these guys properly peaked you caught them when they were beat up after Arnold Ohio right somewhat fair criticism um well this time

everybody was peaked and it was the same um so I mean a lot of strange things happen with the points um and I think it's just the nature of the show Brian's trying to put on it's so heavy that he doesn't care that people zero, right? Like I think a lot of promoters see zeros and they're like, Oh, we need to overcorrect, make it lighter. So the crowd sees reps.

I'm like, he doesn't care. He's like, we need to see who's the strongest. And if you're going to zero the event, you're not the strongest. Right. Right.

Like it shouldn't be made lighter at this, you know, strongest man on earth. Right. The squad event, which you did well, you got second and you're a really good squatter. You knew that was going to be a good event for you, so not surprising.

There was controversy about the squat event, of course, though. So any take on Hooper won first place, and there certainly – I wasn't there, so you see something in person, maybe it looks different, but there was pictures, videos on the internet. His squat did not look like he was maybe having to go as deep as some other people um what i just i guess i don't know what my question any thought what are your thoughts generally you probably thought about you know i i at the show during the show i was like i was seeing the squats happen in real time it's like oh dude those are high those are high um but i think most of us even

on testing day i would see the standard that we would be set to and i was like okay compared to a powerlifting squat that might be a little high um because what they the standard they did in the rules was that we had to get a solid 90 degree on the knee joint which i i don't know if i would have done that way i had a conversation with with Brian after the show and I would have said maybe some kind of like on testing day doing like some kind of laser level with the femur, which there's a little bit of minutiae there because like everyone's hip joint is big, right?

And you really need to get in there and like feel someone's hip, feel the knee. That would have probably set everyone a touch deeper. But a really good point that brian brought up that i hadn't thought about is once we've set that standard in the rules okay and at that time we were all okay with it right we had all reached a squat that we had you know many pictures to prove okay we're pretty close to parallel or to the standard that we'd set in the rules once the whistle blows on the event it's not a squat anymore it's not a squat event it's a can i move this apparatus from point a to point b

right as long as the feet stay where they're supposed to go and the bar position stays this the standard that we started somebody could technically straight up good morning that thing with straight legs right you could there's no there's no depth standard other than the apparatus hitting the bottom your knees wouldn't technically have to bend if you were strong enough to do a full good morning with it right and when when you're under 800 pounds and the pattern slightly changes compared to when we were under 280 in the in the rules that's not a surprise right so i i think yeah there could have been some more testing done. We might've set a different standard if we were to do it again.

But at the end of the day on an apparatus, there's no, there's no standard that says we must hit power lifting depth. And maybe he does adjust the rules in some way so that next time we do it, we got to hit power lifting depth. But based on the standards this time, Hooper didn't cheat. He didn't. His pattern slightly changed when he got under huge load. And he explained it himself. And I'm with it.

All the guys that zeroed, the reason I think they zeroed is they're bad at holding positions. If you can keep your hips underneath you and just keep applying force, it's slightly easier than a normal barbell squat but i see a lot of the guys that zeroed when they train when they come out of the hole they have this little yeah my shoulders just ticked forward yeah okay well that little tick forward and that apparatus flattens you i'm like if you're not a technical squatter you will zero that event that makes a lot of sense so the that squad event it did bring up interesting discussion just yesterday in our massonomics discord even where really someone brought up a point one of the strongman competitors in there and i'm like i've never thought about this but

that was really interesting so i'd like to get your take on it sure so how tall are you i am six foot six foot um so well in the field of the competitors, where were you in height wise? Like how, like if we're going off of the height that Bobby Thompson says he is, I'm the shortest. I give him a hard time about that. Bobby's six one. Yeah. If Bobby's six one, I'm six one. So, okay.

So let's say this. You're just for the sake of this, we'll say you're the shortest competitor there. When you guys did the Atlas Stone event, you're the shortest event, but everyone lifts over the exact same height crossbar, correct? Yes.

You don't walk up and they don't test and say, ah, okay, Lucas is 6' tall. Here's where the stone stands when his arms are at 90 degrees parallel let's set his his height for his crossbar at 42 inches ah here's where thor's is at his height is uh 60 inches when his arms are up uh completely parallel to the ground at 90 degrees uh angle to his upper torso so So why couldn't the squat? I mean, and that's just one event.

I'm just talking about short people on a loading event, but you could look at other events in the same way in strong man. We're not catering to the different body styles. We're just saying, this is the pin height that you have to touch. If you're more aptly built for that that's your advantage because that's your build of being six foot tall instead of being six foot nine so like you may have an advantage an inherent advantage just like thor has an advantage on picking up an atlas stone and putting it over a crossbar sure and i think even with what we did i still already have that advantage right um

coming down to angles and stuff i mean from a purely i could like okay i see where you're going but us being nine inches different in height right it would make it look so drastically different like thor is gonna have to contort into some crazy positions to even hit where i would be in the highest squad on earth right um right like it may be practically speaking it couldn't even actually make any sense at his event but that brings me to the point that sometimes i think uh sometimes what tries to be my point was i like the idea of testing the squat because the squat is a great test of strength yes but the application of it in strongman a lot of times like it doesn't result

in a great event like i'm like people are like ah yes the most controversial event the squat when it was at the arnold and the uh they did the thing two years ago and a couple people were getting hurt and And I mean, it didn't look good. I'm like, that was like the worst event of the, that competition too. I'm just like,

it just didn't look good. And, uh, you know what, for reps, it's hard. And on an apparatus, it's hard.

Um, cause there's, there's always going to be a way to game it. And any, any way that strong man has decided that, okay, this is how we test squat. We, we go to some kind of box or some kind of apparatus sitting at the bottom.

It then becomes, you know, we're just going A to B. It doesn't really matter how it happens, which, yeah, okay, I get that. But then the powerlifting fans out there are going to be like, those are high squats, right? Right. I would rather see a powerlifting style three judges, four max, take our suits away. My little personal bias, take our wraps away too. But just make it a squat. Powerlifting has been doing it for 50 years.

Occasionally, you will get a questionable call, but get some like IPF judges, not some like monolith fed judges. And let's do some squats right like i think i mean we did it in um we host the rainer classic and we did a max squat with three power lifting judges and those guys had to bury their squats and if they didn't they got zeros um i think that'd be a great thing that we've literally never seen right um with strman uh yeah i didn't give it i didn't care about the arnold squat because it was you know there's five spotters around this giant right you can't even see i can't see a damn thing right like right it had potential to be cool but in practice i think strowman just put a lot of nonsense around it and that's why strongman

squatting is kind of viewed as annoying um but god i want to see it yeah right yeah right um i mean just i mean brian had his another way you could do reps i talked to brian about this is yeah he's got his giant apparatus but the other way you could do reps with very little um like very little contention set up like a combo rack type thing have a band set to the hip depth that they need to hit just lightly touch the band with the squat it's not some giant cool looking apparatus right but you set the bands appropriately you have literally no controversy did he touch the band or not right so i think there's ways to do it and uh this was a a cool attempt i think that apparatus is we're going to see it again and i think brian's just going to tweak the rules a little bit

yep no that makes sense it's uh the squad is the is a tricky thing in strongman though undoubtedly like it just kind of ends up being a little bit tricky sometimes but i'm really i really like hearing your take on that though too that's interesting as someone that did it and did well in it and that and you are a good squatter so you're always going to be like i mean i would i would guess your opinion is going to be like yeah let's test some sort of sort of squad let's please squat yeah right right have you competed at world's strongest man no yeah okay so um when i mean at this point are you a lock to be invited to world's strongest man in this next year do you have to do something to get invited to world's strongest man i i don't know it's okay you don't even know yeah no i don't right so so after uh

it's kind of crazy this last year for worlds i i came off of the Arnold Ohio podium or Arnold UK podium. And I was like, okay, maybe I get invited to worlds. But you know, I hadn't heard anything. I hadn't heard anything. I hadn't heard anything. And we host the Rainier classic. It's in, it's always, we moved it to may this year. A lot of reasons behind that.

But when we booked the venue at that point months before, I was like, there's no way I get it to May this year. A lot of reasons behind that. But when we booked the venue at that point, months before, I was like, there's no way I get invited to Worlds this year. Well, we double booked the same weekend as Worlds. So in the future, we're never going to do that. Right. So 12 days out from the show, I get a message from Darren Sadler and he's like, hey, do you want to be an alternate for the show? from Darren Sadler. And he's like, Hey, do you want to be an alternate for the show?

And I was like, Hey man, I have a hundred plus people driving in or flying in for my two day contest. It's not just a local show. Like it's a, it's a pro-am that has international invites that come out of it. And these people put hotels and flights and all kinds of things. And I'm the main logistics person for the show. I, on the 12 days notice for an alternate spot i cannot get myself replaced this is a huge obligation i'm a professional outside of competing in strongman and uh he responded okay great uh i completely understand can't wait to see you earn your spot at osg this year so he's saying that you i might have at all. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. But at this point, have you not already earned your spot? I hope so.

And in some sense, I do respect that they're holding that line of like, if you haven't done XYZ, OSG is the path. And it's super important to have that path, like a direct, doesn't matter who you are if you can get yourself to osg and you can impress you can find your way to giants or to worlds and that needs to exist and as as many of those direct invite opportunities to the next level as there are those need to be maintained and they're super important um because without them the system is much worse than it is now but at this this point, I don't feel like I need to do OSG.

I'm not going to do OSG. I will not do it. There's also, like, say, four premier competitions or whatever the number you want to say, and if you're getting the podium at those competitions, to me, that should be an automatic qualifier. Yes. And I know they're not related.

The world's strongest man doesn't care about strongest men on earth per se. It's not sort of a competitor. Doesn't a resume mean something? Right. And I know there's some conflict between promoters that have two different trademarks

that mean the same thing. What's more prestigious to you? Try to not consider what each competition actually means, but just the name. If someone was to call you the third strongest man on earth or the third strongest man in the world, which is a better title? Third strongest man on earth.

No, I'm very biased in this argument i um prior to even doing it um no i i think if i had to put my goals of the sport my number one at this point is to win strongest man on earth okay like that is the number one contest i want to win um because i i think it is the world that's the world title right oh you're saying if you win that you are the strongest man on earth you know it's like that's the best test of finding out who the strongest man is yeah 100 and i and i think the criticism that people say like oh worlds is light worlds is a tv show worlds is whatever worlds is still the it's still world title like it's still um and saying Worlds is light is hilarious.

Like they did 800 reps on Deadlift in the final. Light compared to what? Let's be realistic. It's light for a few people in the world. You know, for most people, this is not light. Like 12 or 13 events saying they're doing 800 for reps on Deadlift. It's like, dude, Worlds isn't light. Worlds isn't easy.

I mean, I think it's hard for different reasons um there are some annoying things with it being a tv show um and the format doesn't favor a lot of really good strongman skill sets uh which i think turns a lot of people off but you know what i think sorry i'm gonna sneeze it's gonna be bad i think we're good. But, you know, when I see the top 10 in the final every year, I think, okay, that's pretty damn close to the top 10 in the world. So I think it is still a great test of who's the best in the world. And Tom Stoltman winning three times in a row, like Tom Stoltman's that dude right now.

And so is Hooper. It's a great contest. I think Strongest Man on Earth is the world title to me, but there's still some nostalgia and all that kind of stuff with World's Strongest Man. If I do want to go, I do want to win it. I do think it's a great contest. I think there's probably some great people involved putting it on. But at this point, if I didn't get invited, I understand.

I think I should get invited. Right. I would say so at this point, if I didn't get invited, I understand. I think I should get invited. Right. I would say so at this point, yeah. I know I've seen you say that you enjoy watching Old World's Strongest Man competitions. I've seen quite a few of them. I know Tommy has also. We're from South Dakota, the Mount Rushmore State. So we play this little game, Mount Rushmore game,

sometimes where we want to hear your top four. So I'm wondering what your top four, your Mount Rushmore of obscure world's strongest man events would be. What you would put on the Mount Rushmore of. Mount Rushmore of obscure world's strongest man events. Yeah. The wind turbine with the shield. I don't think I know that one. No, have you not seen that? I don't think I know that one.

No, have you not seen that? I don't think so. They had this big plexiglass shield where they had to move. Then they had a football home run. Through wind, yeah. And they had a wind tunnel basically set up and they had to approach the fan.

It looked like semi-American gladiators, 1980s. It looked part American gladiators or something. Um, okay. That's a good one. That's very obscure. That's a good one. I would say I honestly really enjoy it just cause it looks funny is the hanging over the pool. Oh yeah. Off a bar, just just a bunch of fat dudes hanging there and dying splashing into the water that's a good one i wish they would bring that back just for like it's just ridiculous and it's not a great test of things but it would be hilarious to watch everyone do it now like in 2024 i want to see all you guys have to do that now i will say that that was uh

there was a brief discussion at uh the shaw's house after the show about like just cool events that could be done yeah and that got brought up and uh brian was not enthused so well i guess when you're 440 pounds you're probably not in favor of that event either oh yeah we will not see a hangover a pool at the strongest winners um unfortunately um last two that's a good choice also though yes yes um uh the wrecking ball hold because you know that's the coolest event in the world yeah no i'm not um no let's see i i really actually it's entertaining but it should never come back i enjoy murder ball the with the big, and they had to push each other out.

Yeah. I think combat events should be out of the sport. Like sumo was one I was thinking of, whether it's the old ones or Kaz that have done the sumo. But that one with the ball was actually even better than the sumo wrestling, so that's a good point. And then, let's see. Honestly, I'd like to see it again um i this is a genuine serious one i want to see more vehicle flips because i think i was glad i was hoping you were going to say the car flip as one of them because that's like that's like uh maybe the least obscure of those events but kind of the most iconic of those two yeah and it's um it got brought

up it got brought up um so i don't know i think it'd be be a cool one to see with kind of the most iconic of those two yeah and it's um it got brought up it got brought up um so i don't know i think it'd be be a cool one to see with some of the best guys in the world uh it would definitely have to be some vehicles with like roll cages because it seems like every time they put it on the shape of the car changes throughout the contest yeah yeah also wasn't was there quite a few injuries was that part of it too that like people a lot of people were getting hurt and like yeah some people even got got semi-trapped under the car. Yeah, that event is the reason that you haven't seen Wes Claiborne compete recently. He went over some show in Russia and took a bad step and just destroyed his foot.

That event has taken some people out. As a spectator, it's a great one to watch. Yeah. No, and I want to try it. Yeah. And the people that did that well, like in those old ones when you see them go in, when they had the momentum working in their favor, they're just rolling through that thing, and then they sprint to the end.

It's like, damn, they got it down. I could see like three vehicles in a row head to head in the the strongest man on earth arena and could be sweet yeah could be sweet i could see that for sure uh you've kind of got uh we're actually before you're on we were talking with your uh cameraman or i don't know what the title is but the guy that is behind the camera when you're out doing stuff and you're been putting out a lot more on youtube lately um how's that going i mean what's the goal and how's it going you know it's it's going good man um we we are gonna make like i don't know what like 150 bucks this month hey yeah we know the feeling yeah after after probably investing minimal time yeah tons of time couple thousand bucks uh i fly him with me at every show yep um yeah so it's not gonna break even for a

real long time it has to start somewhere though also yeah it has to start somewhere and and it's genuinely fun um there's not enough people just like putting out news about the sport and like what's happening in the back um and i think there's a slippery slope that occurs and you know maybe someday i'll be guilty of it too but like the guys who really really start to make money on youtube they at some point just become a youtube they become a youtuber and the most annoying sense possible and um the strongman nerds still want to see strongman nerd stuff like they don't want to see some news story or like the you know the 10 foods you should be eating like i don't care dude um i get why they do it and it's it's it makes the

money and it's fun and they're probably honestly having a good time doing that too but for me i'm like i want to show technique i want to show what's going on behind the scenes. I want to show my training and it's just fun. Um, and you know, down the road, like I, I do want this to be my job beyond competing and maybe five years down the road, YouTube helps me do that. Um, and I, I hope I don't lose what we're doing right now as it grows, but you know, sometimes you got to make a few changes to actually make a deal, a little bit of money. So we'll see, we'll see what it ends up being. Tommy, what was the comment you made earlier to just about in strongman in general?

It seemed like all the ones that kind of stick around the law. Yeah. Well, we've talked about it. It's, you know, you can look at the group of strongman at any competition. It's like, there's no doubt all the guys have talent across the board. But what really starts to set some of the names apart are the guys that have put the effort in to market themselves. And the prime way to market yourselves right now is through YouTube and Instagram. And especially YouTube, if you can cross over on YouTube, look at the guys that have.

I mean, they're living a whole different life than, you know, the other competitors that you're with. Yeah. And all of those YouTube accounts started pretty close to where mine's at, where we're excited to have like 3000 followers, you know, like that's, you know, a lot of accounts never even reached that point. So like, we're doing good. Brayden is the man behind the camera. All the edits. I am not responsible for any of that quality. It's been good, man. It looks really good.

I actually enjoyed watching it. You can see you have momentum on it too, though. Some of your most recent videos are some of your better performing ones. As guys that do YouTube, it's always good to see newer ones doing well you know yeah there's hope also uh you know getting third at strongest man on earth doesn't hurt uh you know like i mean just to be fair from our point of view i had heard your name seen your stuff a little bit before but then you get third at the strongest man on earth and i like i'm like, you also got third at the Arnold UK.

I'm like, oh, this is somebody that we need to get on our podcast. So performance, it kind of feeds back and forth to each other in both directions too because then it's like being a personality is one thing. You could be Pa O'Dwyer, but finishing top is sure a big deal too you know like that that that certainly doesn't hurt no it does not um yeah and i didn't i didn't realize it until this this show but like uh because somebody somebody actually asked me basically the same question about world strongest man um after um after the strongest man on earth podium and they're like

um do you think you think the way they phrased it is like do you think you beat enough world's strongest man guys to get invited to world i was like yeah i think there's 30 this i mean there's 30 and i think i think we're at like 22 of the guys who were invited this last year so yeah it feels like, I think it's okay. I think, I think we have enough competitive momentum at this point that, uh,

hopefully opportunities of all kinds start coming. Yeah. Uh, you've also been doing well enough that I saw the first meme made of you in, in, in our mass dynamics discord this weekend, where it was Lucas hat on, where it was a picture of you wearing the mass dynamics hat and Lucas hat weekend where it was lucas hat on where it was a picture of you with

a massonomics hat and lucas hat off where it was so i got a really good laugh out of that when i saw it yeah somebody somebody sent that to alec like during the show and like we're usually like off our phones and stuff and in the back he's just like dude somebody just sent me this and he showed it to me i think it was before i don't remember what event it was for i was like dude this is so stupid the The internet's awesome. That was a good one. Was that one of the Davids? I think so.

Like Lucas hat off. Lucas hat on. Probably the best or worst thing to come out of this weekend is Matt Eisman trying to figure out what to call me. and he's he's pushing that large legs thing it's like let's not do that let's not just run with that forever please your large legs now that's your thing yeah like dude at least i'm not like a like a

mythical creature or something like everybody else but you know yeah yeah uh that is the real rite of passage though is getting that getting that nickname you know yeah yeah uh that is the real rite of passage though is getting that getting that nickname you know you gotta have that getting a silly nickname like i'd rather just not have a shtick and just like win things like it's just in my eyes you're gonna need a shtick yeah dude i don't know in my eyes it's like yes strongman is a show um and that that is like one of the coolest things but i think it's one of the big things that holds us back that it's not just a sport like it's a it's just a sport and when it's viewed as a sport not a show a few things change but you can still sell tickets to sports you know sports have been doing that for a long time um you know i i get it i get what he's getting at and uh

eisman's an awesome dude he always gives me a hard time in the back um but i hope the large legs thing does not stick well the thing is you don't we're gonna title this episode on some of the content you made you have this thing uh recurring thing i i saw where it's who the f is that guy where you feature like uh maybe it's like i think that concept is who the f is this guy uh maybe uh borderline professional strongman or someone that maybe you haven't heard of yet that you're should hear about or you're probably going to hear about soon is that kind of what that is so do you have uh we if you had a who the f is that guy do you have one like off the top of your head like just who is a good example of who the f is that guy that you might feature on that uh yeah the i mean the next person i haven't talked to about it yet uh

we kind of have put a couple of those regular shows on hold with the last few weeks of uh shop prep but i want to get back on the regular schedule the next guy i want to talk to is uh bryce johnson um he ended up fourth at north america's strongest beating like six guys that have been to worlds and uh nobody knows who the hell bryce johnson is who the f is that guy who the f is bryce johnson um because he even had one or two bad events and was barely off the podium at at north america's that dude's gonna be good already is good, and nobody knows who he is. The guy who keeps winning Australia's Strongest Man, I am spacing on his name.

And then there's that guy from Africa that's just been wrecking house at SEL recently. I'd say those are the three best up-and-comers that nobody knows. I mean, at least in the States, everyone knows Josh Spurgeon and Nick Gardeon, but those are two other guys up and comers that nobody knows i mean at least in the states everyone knows josh spurgeon and nick guardian but like those are two other guys that are just right there they're going to be on big rosters next year all right cool i like that concept though that's cool well and what's funny is there's a couple memes when i was on the podium

i saw one person make a meme where it was the podium photo and they put the overlay from my YouTube video. It was like, who the fuck is Lucas Hatton? Who the F is this guy? Who the F is this guy? That's funny. Tommy, what do you think about overrated, underrated? Let's do it.

Should we jump in? Okay. We've got this game we play with each guest called overrated, underrated. And we have a handpicked set of Lucas hatton topics that are just for you you have your druthers to elaborate as much as you as much or as little on each one as you would like but you just have to remember that you cannot ride the line you have to definitively decide i have to make a stand even if it pains you to do so you have to make a stand and this is usually all of these are very political and religious uh sure like we joked around up until this moment and now we're going to get where it's really young really really

uncomfortable visual depictions of a lot underrated so overrated or underrated rock climbing uh underrated underrated um i don't know if that's why my grip's gotten better but it is really fun and i'm gonna keep doing it and i like the looks that i get at the rock climbing gym yeah you got to be the biggest guy at the rock climbing gym when you're doing that i might be the biggest person to come in the door at the rock climbing gym um i am scared to do any of the walls where we actually have to like harness up and get uh be belayed um but we'll cross that bridge when we get there but are you kind of decent at it though i'm okay um i'm like like mid-level uh boulder walls i'm good with um i don't remember the rating system off top of my head but like like v2 maybe

v i think i finished maybe one v3 okay um we don't know what that means, but we'll say you're like black diamond or we can make up. I'm beating the small children, like the little kids who are fresh to the wall. I'm kicking their ass. So how long have you been, how long have you been rock climbing? Uh, off and on for quite a few years, but during the UK prep, we really, really got back after it. So like winter time, we go probably once a week

okay um slight uh divergent question that i meant to ask earlier you went to pacific lutheran university in parkland washington you were a finance major correct yes also a finance major here so stay strong brother using a hell of that. Yeah. Um, I just, I had looked up Pacific Lutheran university and said it was a largely, uh, Norwegian Lutheran, Norwegian based,

uh, school that started. Are you Norwegian by like, I, I honestly don't know. Okay. Um, okay.

No, not like, not that anything like we're proud. It's not like your family is like, yes, we are very Norwegian, you know? No,

no, no, no. We're, we're the kind of white person that's been here long enough that we don't really know where we're from before that. Like most of us. Yes.

Just obscure American white person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause there is kind of like in our little corner of the world there is a pretty strong norwegian uh group like that kind of so i just wondered if uh there was also if it was also like that there maybe i mean they there's a ton of norwegian students like they have an exchange

program but all of them seem to be like six one long limb short torso okay um and i'm not that so yeah okay all right uh okay off of that then overrated or underrated lizzo uh overrated yeah overrated yeah that's a 100 of my instagram growth is from a lizzo meme not from expedited success but yeah we'll go well yeah you can look it up it has like seven views okay so you're not a huge lizzo fan listener then you're so i'm i'm not a listener um i respect the game yeah she's out there doing her thing and doing it hard yeah and you got to respect that that's fair okay overrated under Overrated, underrated Winnipeg, Canada. We saw you were in Winnipeg here not too long ago. And just kind of straight north of us.

Yeah. It's, I think it's overrated and it's rated low. I love the gym up there. I love the people up there. Would not vacation in Winnipeg canada that's fair i have vacationed in winnipeg can't well i mean not really in winnipeg but like in rural canada winnipeg area it's uh it's an incredible incredible place place. It's like you're somehow in rural middle America, but you're also somehow in the hood.

And also not in America too, though. No, I know, but it's like just North of North Dakota. You're like, okay, I've seen this town before, but then it's also the hood somehow. Yeah, like I'm in danger for some reason. Do you ever feel though, like the fact that you live in Washington, that kind of everywhere is sort of a downgrade visually when you leave?

I don't know, man. We just had this conversation about like Denver and Colorado as far as like the roads and things being clean and like seeming like the government gives a damn like Colorado in a lot of senses is kicking washington's ass um but as far as like visually as far as like nature and like all the other things that come along with washington i think it's uh yeah there's no beating the northwest in a lot of those categories but like you go to like washington cities and

you're like okay there's a lot to improve on here. Okay. Yeah. All right. Last one. This one's worth all the marbles. Everything comes down to this one. So overrated or underrated, keep it in mind. We're got a strong man in our presence,

overrated and underrated sumo deadlifts. Ooh. Underrated. Yeah. If I was, if I was a power lifter again, I would probably sumo deadlift i'm weirdly good at it that's what i've said that's what i picked up on is that you're actually

pretty good at sumo deadlifting yeah and um well is it is it's cheating um just depending on how you were born it's cheating but so that's the way every lift is right like like i was born to squat it's kind of cheating for me right you know i'm gonna i'm gonna beat someone who's six eight with the long long ass femurs right you know right it's every lift is cheating if you're built for it that's a really good point i think actually that's a really good way to look at that yeah like shack's not cheating in basketball. Right, right. I mean, at times it felt like cheating, but that's just his advantage. Yeah.

All right. So underrated. I think that's a good take. And Tommy, I don't know if I added it up, but it looks like he passed, didn't he? That's what it looks like to me. Yeah. So we'll send you your trophy. You can put it next to your Strongest Man on Earth trophy. Sweet.

What does the Strongest Man on Earth trophy look like? It is behind me. Is that what it is? Okay, that's what i wondered if that's what it is there okay yeah it was hard to tell on depth how far behind that was so i couldn't tell it's way back there okay yeah it's funny whenever we film here because i'm at i'm at braden's house and um he has all those like climbing gear and mountaineering stuff in the back. So in my YouTube comments, people are like, is that a split snowboard? Do you do that? I'm like, no, I don't. No, I'm actually pretty good at that too. This is all someone else's hobbies.

But I thought I'd bring the trophy. Yeah. I assume you just bring that with you everywhere you go from now on. Yeah. Yeah. And it's easy to transport. It's like 30 pounds. Yeah.

It doesn't make sense how heavy it is um and mine's the small one like hoopers and thors were way bigger um when we were on the podium and they like did the photo with it above their head i turned to him and i was like are we doing this one-handed or two-handed because i don't think i can do one-handed i'm very sore so i'm glad we did the two-handed trophy lift i was like you won the circus dumbbell but you can't hold this up with one hand what is what's going on yeah we're we're we're strong for eight minutes of every contest and uh i've been saying this recently in the gym is like i want to be strong like four days a year being strong hurts and i don't want to be peaked all the time. It sucks.

That makes sense. Great news, though. You did pass overrated and underrated. So importantly, we will air this episode because it requires a passing grade in order for this to go out to the public, so it will. And that kind of wraps us up. So we really appreciate you coming on. I think this is a lot of fun. I think people really enjoy this.

Hopefully we got some people listening that didn't know as much about you and now get a good introduction. Hopefully they get over and check out your YouTube channel. What else, uh, we talked about what is your YouTube channel and where, where would you like to send people? Like if you got them listening, where do you want them to check you out? Yeah. Uh, I would like to send people over to my YouTube. It's a hat and strength. Um, it's all linked on my Instagram. I think that's where most people follow me as Instagram. Um, a lot of the, I feel like a lot of the strongman world and Lizzo hating world follows me on Instagram. Um, uh, but yeah, if we could just draw a little bit more to my YouTube, that's the

biggest thing you do to help me out. Um, it's been awesome. It's been fun and it's, it's catching traction, especially this last weekend. Um, and, uh, I think right after after this we're going to film our uh our video that's like our thoughts and recap on day two and there's just the final of that so that's coming i don't know if that will come out before this uh it just depends if you guys can edit faster than brady it's a contest damn it yeah yeah uh awesome yes i would honestly after i watched several of the youtube videos and it is good stuff so I would recommend everyone checking it out.

We appreciate you coming on making your way through road construction. You said hell or high water you'll be here and you made it happen so we appreciate it. We appreciate you guys having me on. Thanks man. Thanks a lot Lucas. Those are strongest man on earth cool beans cool beans so you know they're strong beans that was good that was great yeah good good fun interview with uh third world

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There was something I was going to ask you about. We'll probably wrap this up pretty soon, but there was one thing I can't remember. You said you've been kind of sick, so how's your training been going? Oh, I was already, folks, I was in Aberdeen last week, so my schedule was already messed up to the point where I'm like, well, I'll just kind of play catch-up on the weekend, which is fine. Well, then I got fairly sick, and so those got thrown out.

So then I was like, well, I'll play catch-up this week. Maybe have to miss a day not a big deal and um i did my last day of the week for uh of the bridge block is is not too bad so i was able to get through that um i just took it a little easier on a couple of lifts no big deal and then i was really hoping all right by the time thursday rolls around which is today i'll be back at it full speed and I just can't quite get over the hump here um yeah I don't know I'm gonna try and do something shortly after we record this but I'm I'm not totally confident in how great it'll be my ability to be standing upright if I do a timed squat workout the way I'm supposed to which is really annoying so I might just have to scale things back a little bit, which is okay. Cause you know, it's a bridge block. We're so far away from anything that it doesn't matter, but it is really annoying because

I was really starting to feel like I have a full head of steam here. Nothing can slow me down. And once I started like a little sickness, once I started seeing my baby girl with the snotty nose, all right, is that going to be coming for me? Because you've had that for like two weeks. And then yes, eventually it was coming for me and just just can't quite can't quite get away from it yeah that's always helpful isn't it oh it's where and then i was reminded of when you were talking about uh remember when you got really sick and you finally watched true detective all of that yeah yeah like an entire day i'm like am i gonna be that sick yeah and i'm like no i'm just at the computer and then i'm like going brain dead and just thinking what am i doing here and

it's just been a real real test of my willpower the last couple days yeah um i have been bridge blocking to nothing really to report on it to speak of other than i have also been playing noon ball twice a week kind of yeah so what i did start doing is not doing my carries i'm kind of actually kind of a stickler for the rules where i'm like i like if it's on the thing i like to do it because that's just my nature yeah that is my nature that if it's on there i like to do it so it's really hard for me it's way harder for me to not do something that's on there than it is to do it yep this was why outside of not having my sandbag for the first two weeks um this week now is the first time i've left stuff off in quite a while right and i have been doing that just because i've been getting a lot of movement in a lot of running in for the

basketball i totally understand i just need like a little bit less here because it just becomes a little bit too much on the old body i think and uh so i did i have stopped doing those like this last week or two i don't know i don't know if that's the right call or not but i just felt like i needed a little bit less yeah because it was a little too much i think that that's a time where you make a smart substitution because the name of the game is to just you know i think at the end of the day the point of the sandbag carry is just more conditioning than that's what i kind of think and i'm getting way more conditioning when i play basketball than i would from the 10 carries so that's uh kind of what i figured there although i skipped noon ball today in lieu of recording the massomics podcast and this is like this is like a sandbag carry though, this podcast.

That is. This is like a 12 EMOM sandbag carry. Should that wrap us up for this week, do you think, Tommy? I think so. Make sure to go over and become a supporting member. The line in the sand is coming soon. Check out that new drop that just came out with the new banner, new lifting department tee and the chicken bake tee restock now with 52 grams of protein.

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