Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 440: Conjugate & Recovery with Dr. Seth Albersworth

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

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Yeah, you said it right. 5250? I52 or 50. What'd you say? Yeah, you said it right. 5250? I think that's right. 12 gauge. We're past 12. That number doesn't work anymore. Let's see. Drink spotter XL.

5052. Aluminum. 5052 aluminum. Aluminium. Aluminium. Yep, that number doesn't quite work for us yet yeah okay so 440 of the mass dynamics podcast and i feel like a giant elephant in the room we just need to get this out of the way right now it's been a while yes it has been a while since we have recorded an evening session

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all of that are we uh first things first are you drinking anything over there uh yeah i'm some cough syrup trying to stay as hydrated as i possibly can uh but i'm using the heavy lager cup real classic item right here underrated are the one uh large larger than a pint that's a 22 ounce i was gonna say are these 22 or 24 ounce cups 22 ounce or also an underrated logo i've been on record with some of that. That Heavy Lager logo is one that's in the vault, but it's a good one. Yeah, it's good. What do you got cooking up over there? Well, when in Rome, I figured it was episode 440, so I go in with a cone of big wave.

For some reason, a brewski, I just opened it up, every once in a while, a Brewski is just calling my name. You ever have that feeling before? Dude, I've had that feeling a lot. Yeah, that's good. Actually, okay. Sometimes I have a new favorite IPA. Kona Big Wave is good, but it's not my new favorite IPA. My new favorite IPA.

And actually my new favorite thing to do. This is just my new favorite IPA and actually my new favorite thing to do. This is just my new favorite experience altogether. And it's not new. It's not the first time. It's not like a new, new novel thing, but just this exact scenario, which is,

this is going to be a very average Western Northeast South Dakota specific scenario. Okay. So Tommy, you'll get it. Qualifiers here. Yeah. Tommy,

you're going to get it. Some people listening will get it. But we have enough people travel here every year that they can mark this down in their stop map next time. What I, my wife and I, what I really like to do now, we can just get away with it. Our baby now is getting old enough that we can turn the monitor on after everyone's asleep and just leave our oldest awake on a weekend, like say a Friday evening, once everyone's in bed and he can just be up as the watchdog. Yeah, be basically the hall monitor.

And then we can go to our local pub, which, most local pub is Schwan's Recreation. Classic. And I go there. Best patty melt in town. Did you know that? They have the best burgers. What I was going to say is they have some of the best burgers in town. They might have actually just the best burgers in town.

I get their triple cheeseburger. It is ridiculous. They have a lot of different flavored burgers and stuff too, which are fine. But their regular burger that you just get like lettuce, tomato, pickle, onion on is so good. I'm not even sure. I just, you know, Chuck from the gym. Yeah. I met Chuck one time because they go there quite a bit.

And he's like, dude, the patty melt, it's the best patty melt you can get. And I got it. I'm like, yeah, they don't get any better than this. And that was the only thing I ever ordered. I've never even had any of the other burgers have only dude the patty melt it's the best patty melt you can get and i got it i'm like yeah they don't get any better than this and that was the only thing i ever ordered i've never even had any of the other burgers have only had their patty milk so i'm like it's that good regular cheeseburgers are like so i don't even know how they are as good as they are um but i get that and a uh my new favorite ipa is um uh scheiner bo, which I've always liked Shiner Bock, but I've just really decided that's my new favorite IPA as of late. So a tap, Shiner Bock with one of their triple cheeseburgers on like a Friday evening.

Sounds pretty good. After all the kids are asleep and like we can just sneak out for a little while and come back. I'm like, that's my new favorite thing. Just sit in there with all the regulars. They're like, oh, these assholes again when you guys well and that's uh that's probably what someone listening wouldn't understand is what this this is very much a hole in the wall i can almost guarantee you i could like as much as it exists i could name uh i don't know their names but i could basically tell you what chairs and who will be sitting and describe the people that were sitting in these chairs because they're in the chair every

day from like three in the afternoon until like eight at night and that is exactly what that place is and uh it has i mean aberdeen is a small town but it has a really small town bar vibe to it in the sense that you see the same like 30 people there all the time but yes it's a place that you think like in my mind i always think it's really dirty in there, and it's not dirty. But it seems like it should be dirty. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I get, well, I think part of that comes from like back in the day when smoking used to come out in there.

Yeah. Because, yeah, it's like got the low ceilings, and it's relatively small, you know, so that really wasn't doing any favors back then. So the Schwan's Recreation, also as a local, you would just call it Schwanies. Schwanies, yeah. But so the schwan's recreation also as a local you would just call it schwanies yeah but it is schwan's recreation the burgers that schwan's recreation or any of the food almost that is a add that to your bingo map next time you're in western northeast south dakota yeah i think half the time like the bartender also makes the burgers like it's like a yeah very small team of yes who's cranking those out yeah yes it's all

part of the vibe though and what i really like about it is every time we're there there'll be a few people that i kind of know and that we'll maybe talk to a little bit but nobody on that that we really have to talk to that wants to just hang out right right yeah uh well tanner i got some so have you been sick for a month now i've all right strapping man we recorded it was like 10 days ago when we recorded last and in that recording i just listened to it because i was scrubbing for clips and you said you were actually like oh it's so nice i woke up yesterday and i was feeling like 90 percent uh-huh i was like oh i'm like a new man yeah this started that was after you were sick for like a couple of weeks. This started all the way back to, uh, when I was in Aberdeen for the

fair. I remember I woke up at my in-laws at three in the morning and was like, Oh my God, allergies or something have just attacked me. Like I have not felt in forever. And then, uh, yeah, basically it started then. And that was like August 14th, I think somewhere right around there. And it's just been off and on of thinking I'm okay. And then all of a sudden I got a fever for a day and then I'm really tired and then I'm good for a day or two and then nope just so annoying like never like sick but just enough to be like yeah i'm pretty tired and run down and whatever's going on here is it's not getting better yeah and then uh about a week ago we went to okoboji and before we left i was like you know what i am really coming around i think i'm i think I'm doing pretty good. And, uh, we went there, we had our fun. We went to bed early every night. The kids slept great. It was like almost, almost a refreshing vacation. And we came back on a Monday and, uh, didn't feel the best there. And I started to kind of feel run down again. I'm like, what the hell,

what is going on here? I'm not getting any better. And then what it really hit me was this weekend. I'm like, nope, I've taken a significant turn for the worst and this is not going well. And at this point, my wife is tired of me complaining about it. I would say I don't normally get sick, so I don't usually complain about this. So I feel like I've complained a fair amount,

like an appropriate amount. And I'm like, I'm actually to the point where I can't usually complain about this. So I feel like I've complained a fair amount, like an appropriate amount. And I'm like, I actually to the point where I can't even hardly eat, like thinking of food eating makes me want to gag. Uh, and what really did it is my snoring. I don't normally snore, but I'm snoring so loud. It's like giving me sleep apnea where I can't actually sleep. And then a severe, severe sore throat on type of, on top of having like no energy, like it took the dog for a walk around the block and i'm like pull what happened there like i'm just wiped out so finally my wife is like yeah you need to just go into acute care and just see if they can do some tests

and uh your boy has mono never had mono before but uh not fun that makes sense then huh yeah yeah that would explain the extreme low energy and right uh the incredibly painful throat like i don't keep up on uh pain medication my throat is the point where i i mean i couldn't eat it hurts so bad like to swallow anything so for sure i've had it at least a week now at this point and the little bit of looking into what i've done is it can last anywhere between like three and six weeks which is really annoying yeah yeah i do think though that actually i shouldn't say i think i'm just hoping that i'll be a quick recovery for maybe you've had it for three weeks that's what i'm wondering if i sort of have had this

longer than i thought and the sore throat symptom took a long time to come around because uh i don't i mean i've sort of had these symptoms now for multiple weeks and it's just the throat is what really did me in i can't even like sleep i can't even breathe at night this is so painful so yeah the old mono the kissing disease right that is the kissing that's the thing you know uh my wife claims she doesn't have it and then all of a sudden tonight she's like yeah i'm not feeling too hot either yeah and uh i don't know man it sucks not not fun i had it once but it's been 20 years ago but it was significant enough that i actually remember i can i was like a 17 year old and i do remember it because I was so I remember I actually like don't think I got out of bed for like in like a at the worst of it in a two or three day span I

remember getting out of bed like a couple times yeah like I'd walk to the couch and be like oh my god that's all I could do like I'm like I'm down for like 12 hours from that and that's where I'd like to be but uh like always with this stuff, my wife was working the entire weekend. So that meant I was home with kids for the entire weekend. And then because I was home with kids for the entire weekend when I felt maybe, maybe better, that meant that the grass was way past being mowed. So then I had to mow the lawn today, which was like taking baby steps with it. Like, all right, just we'll do this really slow. right just we'll do this really slow yeah and uh yeah so it's one of those things i've noticed like yeah when you get to be an adult being sick none of life's priorities go away so uh it's been a real pain in the ass someone's still got to cut the grass someone's got to mow that lawn yeah so do you think you're on do you think it's uh as bad as ever right now or do you think you're on a back side of it you know what if i really do just keep up on pain meds um it's tolerable i just feel like i'm kind of brain dead yeah because i do

not like my my even when i'm laying in bed my thought process is just a constant thing of like me snoring and waking up like i don't actually think i'm sleeping which is not helping either right uh yeah i don't. We'll see in a couple of days. I'm feeling a couple of days, you know, the last three weeks haven't given me enough way to feel it out. The next three days, maybe I'll give you something. I haven't been sick, but it is prime allergy season for me and no allergy medicine. I don't even know if any of it does anything. Really? Oh, dude. It's just a sugar pill. Maybe it helps. Maybe I would be, because I take it, and maybe I would be way worse without it.

You know, like maybe it would be terrible then. But it's, like, my wife tonight goes, I'm really sick of you having a tissue with you all the time. And, like, my pants pockets are always just, like, full of tissues because my nose runs all the time. Like I have to lose like several ounces of fluid through runny nose like every day, which isn't that big of a deal. But after a while, I'm just like, please stop. Yeah, it's I think Western Northeast South Dakota allergies are different. I don't know if it's just because of the uh just the crops that exist in so much more abundance there or what but it is different up there it's getting me good right

now uh what do we got uh we got accents we got jet skis oh okay lines in the sand well okay I can knock out a couple of these at once so okay I i'd love to get you know we have a lot of iowa listeners a lot of midwest people in general that listen and are in the discord so they can weigh in on this when we went to okoboji so we usually go to okoboji iowa it's in the way northwest corner of iowa we usually go there every year once in the summer it's a real lake destination a lot of people from all over go there. And one morning we go to a donut shop and lots of people, very busy, lots of people coming in and out, you know, doing their thing and having conversations, you know, all the typical Midwest small town conversation you

would expect to have at any cash register with anyone. And my wife is like, what is with all of these Southern accents here? I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, everyone has a Southern accent. And I'm like, you are insane because I have not heard a single Southern accent. So I don't know what you're talking about. She's like, I'm telling you, it is. It is. Like there is a Southern accent here.

Like, yeah, okay, whatever. So she's, we're like, while she's saying this, we're kind of packing up our stuff. She, her and the boy, they're ready to go. So they get going. I got my daughter and we're kind while she's saying this we're kind of packing up our stuff she her and the boy they're ready to go so they get going i got my daughter and we're kind of doing something and some guy comes over sees my little daughter and says something about like oh you like the donut whatever he says though and it is with the craziest southern accent i'm like well this guy is clearly from the south like yeah yeah i'm just like what time you know that my wife said that and then leaves and not even 30 seconds later this guy says it i'm like like, what time you know that my wife said that and then leaves and not even 30 seconds

later, this guy says it. I'm like, you know what? This guy has to be from the South. I'm actually, we're walking out and he's walking out with us. I'm like, I'm going to see what his license plates are when he gets into his vehicle and he gets into his vehicle and he has Iowa license plates. And I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And that was not the first time that happened multiple times throughout the weekend. After that, I'm like, dude, these are straight up. These are straight up southern accents. I don't know if there's a dialect in Iowa that I'm not familiar with, or if maybe people from the southern portion of Iowa have a different drawl

than they do up north farther. But, man, there's something there. I don't know what it is, but there is something there. So you think that, like, did it sound like they were from Alabama? Alabama, yeah, like almost, like if they would have thrown a y'all at me i would have been like well of course you say y'all you're from the south yeah uh yeah even at our hotel or the little lodge we stayed at a couple people talking to us same thing they go oh they might even said y'all they're like where are y'all from like because i think they made the comment i think they told us they they thought they sounded like we were from minnesota

and he was like oh no we're from sioux falls like oh and she's like what about you guys because same thing she's like i'm thinking you're gonna say like missouri or louisiana or just you know keep going south and she's like ah nebraska like what maybe like our accent is just much different than what we're used to hearing everywhere in the midwest so although southern midwestern they're they're on a different they're a different plane of of what we got going on here that's true uh we'll have to get some some iowans iowans and i will say i've never I've never picked up on that from, you know, Ryan. I've never thought Ryan had a southern accent. I've never thought Jen had a southern accent.

So maybe it's a regional thing out there. All right. To be continued on Iowa southern accents. What about the jet ski? Did you do a little jet skiing when you were there uh yeah we did um dude i think when was the last time you're on a jet ski probably 12 years ago okay do you remember it being fun um like that's the meme is that the jet ski a little bit yeah like that's the meme though

is that the jet ski is the funnest thing in the world. You know, like, ah, just get on the jet ski. You'll have the best time ever. Yeah. I guess that's not my experience.

I mean, I thought it was fun. Like no part of me was like, do I want to own a jet ski? But I'm like, if someone else had it in the water and they're like, you can ride it around for 15 minutes if you want to. I'm like,

okay, that'd be sweet. That that's where I'm at. And then I'm like, all right, I'm good. I'm the jet ski. The most fun I've ever had on a jet ski was I had a friend that had a

lake cabin in high school. We'd show up, we'd put three guys on a jet ski and you just be having the time of your life because you'd be, it was like three, it was too many people for the jet ski, like falling off, tipping it over,

like just being stupid. And it was, it was a ton of fun. Like that is the best. But I've always kind of thought jet skis are overrated and now i can really this is the first time i've been on one in a little while yeah they are overrated for sure like it's they make them way too big now like a three passenger jet ski is like a boat enormous yes like there's no way it's tipping over anything like that um they're just too big like they don't they're fun but they're just not they're not it man like it's i don't know like

you don't get good at riding the jet ski like what's good at riding a jet ski like you can do some different turns that know what i mean it's like a weird thing to say you're like you whip shitties like yeah i mean you just splash around and do that but then even there like the lake is big enough that in the open waters where the waves were decently sized you can't go fast because it's just like slamming over and over so now you're just stuck trying to get across the lake going like 20 ish to find smoother water just trying to get away like it kind of reminds me that this has been a long time since i've done this too but like when you ride a horse and you're just like, oh, yep, this is just bouncing me on my back. Like this is not enjoyable at all.

And it was kind of that same feeling like you're just stuck bouncing and bouncing and bouncing, hoping to get to a smoother location. And then you get there and you just drive in circles and go fast a few times. And yeah, it's fun in small doses, but I just have a hard time ever seeing myself. As a guy that owned a boat, I'm like, yeah, that was definitely the right move. Yeah, a boat. Because you have at myself as a guy that owned a boat. I'm like, yeah, that was definitely the right move.

Yeah. A boat. Cause you have at least even a community aspect to a boat. I was going to say it's a, then it's a social experience of throwing six people on there at the same time. Yeah. I would be hard pressed ever.

Like if I never wrote a jet ski again in my life, I would have, wouldn't have any regrets. Like I would gladly ride another one, but it's just pretty low on my priority list. Right. I agree with that um I do want to mention we have a line in the sand coming up here this is uh important to know this is the official line in the sand warning and you know every time there's a line in the sand warning you'll hear the official the disturbed

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The bridge block was feeling great to being like, yeah, this is a real challenge. So I started, I had to bail out on a couple workouts early last week. And now this week, I think I actually just need to just take some time off because i'm like i i don't i'll probably do some push-ups and things like that but i'm not sure the value and going in and squatting like 185 i mean i can't i can't do high reps i'm feeling trash oh i mean and it is it like it wipes me out for a significant amount of time afterwards and yeah so i think i just need to lay low for a week or two and then I might start the bridge block back up possibly, or I might just go into hypertrophy. We'll see.

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Did I, the concert I went to? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's, I was thinking we already recorded since I went to that concert. We have not, we have not. Wow. It has been a while, Stained. Mm-hmm. Stained wasn't kidding about that, were they, when they said it's been a while?

Well, they know how this goes. Awesome. So we've got, you have to tell me do you prefer everyone's big that's on massonomics everyone's big and you are big so it actually makes sense but do you prefer dr big seth albersworth or would you prefer big dr seth albersworth i think big doctor probably has better ring to it. Right. I think that's the right move. Yes. Goes, but goes together better. Yeah. Or yeah, that's probably that Dr. Big does might sound weird. It could be another like applied to other professions or something.

I'm not sure. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't, I don't want to step over that line too soon. Okay. Yeah. We are excited to get you on. You've been one of our more requested guests as of late that everyone says you need to get seth on the podcast soon uh so obviously you're uh uh everything you've been working on and doing is working you're getting out there in the ether quite a bit that everyone's picking up on your stuff it sounds like yeah it's wild how much stuff is gaining traction right now which i'm really stoked on because on because I'm putting it out because I think it's not that stupid.

So I'm glad it's at least getting picked up a little bit here and there. I haven't been on a podcast in a very long time, so I was excited when you guys DM'd me. So stoked to be here. And you've been on Table Talk at least a few times, I think, right? That was the last podcast I was on and that was like right before we moved back to canada so that would have been like almost almost two years ago now oh okay so i feel a little bit underprepared for the whole situation but oh yeah then you'll fit in just right here yeah yeah yeah this will be in this will be on youtube also i'm just going to warn everyone

that like the downside of canada is that it's only hot for like two weeks of the year, so no one has AC. So I'm in my office with zero airflow. My stupid studio lights are blaring on me. So I'm going to get very sweaty during this. So if you aren't watching, make sure to be watching. I was going to say, I think a lot of our viewers would think of that as a bonus. Yeah, exactly. You've got to pump it up.

You can use it. Yeah. So background, you competed in powerlifting in probably just about every class of powerlifting that there is. It looks like raw, maybe some single ply, multi-ply. Maybe you have a conjugate bias training background. I'm not positive we'll get to that. But then also you're a diet, I think doctor of chiropractic. You can tell me what I had wrong and what I'm missing

in that little quick couple. I think pretty much you're spot on. I think the only thing is like, I have done single ply, but I've never been good at single ply. Okay. Single ply was just this little, like I did, I did a bench only meat that i did one full meat there before i transitioned from raw to malty the first time so it wasn't like uh i am by no means a single ply expert but okay and then your wife also power lifts or power lifted or and and works with you maybe possibly too yeah she's i want to say that she's an asshole but i shouldn't call her an asshole in the vlog because like everyone's like oh your wife also power lifts and then they find out that she's better at it than i am and then they're like oh suck to suck loser so she's actually a better

lifter than i am she's like she's at least a couple hundred spots ahead of me on open power lifting so okay gotta put that out there so i'm curious did you two meet through power lifting or did one of you get into power lifting first and the the other followed after you'd already met so i don't know how to how to start where to start but i think the our very first interaction was she followed me on instagram in like 2013 the early days and i was like oh sick hot chick follow me i'm gonna click follow back and that's where it all started yeah and then it was i think 2017 or 2016 i forget 2016 2017 i was she was already sponsored by lead fps i was going to a seminar to lead fps and i met

her at that seminar we started talking and then like three years later, finally unfriendly myself, I guess, and got the job done. Excellent. And then do you two live in Canada now? Then you are back in Canada. Yes.

Yeah. We're, we're just outside of Calgary. Okay. And I guess you guys have had Bryce on before. Yeah. We're, we're just outside of Calgary. Okay. And I guess you guys have had Bryce on before. So we were like 45 minutes North of Bryce. Okay. Okay.

So we're from South Dakota. So we're not probably, I mean, it would be a, it would be a hall still, but compared to some of our counterparts in the States, we're not that far away from you. I, I honestly, I remember like on the drive back we went from florida to ohio to do table talk and

then kind of stay there for a little bit and train and then we i cut through south dakota before hitting saskatchewan okay and i i don't know if this is gonna come off the wrong way but like my only memory of like the dakotas was like how freaky, because it was middle of December, like it was freezing, like just winds and snow and like the roads were horrendous. And I remember like crossing the border of Saskatchewan being like, I've never been in Saskatchewan and thought, wow, these roads are nice. That was my middle of winter impression of the Dakotas.

That's pretty, probably really fair depending on what dakotas uh that's pretty probably really fair depending on what you caught like that's definitely what it's like sometimes yeah it looks like it was like yeah it was like hundreds of miles of like being stuck at 20 miles per hour in just bumper to bumper traffic just nothing and it was it's like one of those things where like that drive back from florida to canada was such a short time of my life but because it was, it's like one of those things where like that drive back from Florida to Canada was such a short time of my life, but because it was like, so like just endless and just like mind bogglingly frustrating, it feels like it was like very significant. Yeah. So what, uh, your Canada us back to Canada, I mean, well, Canada, do you picture that as forever home base for you? Or would you ever be come back to the States at some point in time, semi-permanently or what, what do you,

what's your goal there? If you asked me this when I was still in Florida, I would have said, hell no. But now that I'm back in Canada after that experience, I honestly, I do prefer it here. And I think a lot of it is growing up more so than anything. And I, like when I was in the States, I first went to the States because I thought that I needed to be somewhere to accomplish my goals. And I think that what I kind of realized down there and realized coming back is that if I'm where I am, no matter where I am, as long as I'm doing my shit, I'm going to be able to do what I need to do.

And it doesn't really matter where I am or what the situation is because I can make the most of it. And I think like moving back here and kind of being forced to come back here because of the visa situation after school, I think like the biggest benefit is I just realized that it doesn't matter where I am and I can do it. And because I found that here,

I want to continue making it work here. Yeah. That, uh, that makes sense. I could see that for sure. Uh, it's like the whole, the whole reason to going back to school was like, I, I went back to school because I was jacked up and thought that I needed to do this to be able to power up again and get better. And like, even though it did kind of work, it also, it didn't work out in the way that I thought it was going to. So I was expecting to, you know, to get told this magical secret at chiropractic school

or like be around better lifters and get told how to do the magical thing with training. And it wasn't really anything magical. It was just learning how to better manage my own shit and do a better job for me rather than being dependent on someone else. Yeah, I'm still looking for that one magic tip too. if you do find that just make sure you tell us man i think honestly like i had a conversation with the client the other day and i think like if if i could just say one thing it's like literally just finding more self-awareness

in training and like just being honest with yourself with like is what i'm doing working or is what i'm doing just am i just doing it because i think it's working or is it getting in my way am i doing enough here am i doing too much over there and like if you can just ask those hard questions and give yourself real answers i think that's probably the closest thing to magic you're going to get but it also gets a little bit frustrating because you realize that you might be stuck because you've been bullshitting yourself on your efforts somewhere for a very long time that doesn't have the same ring to it as the one simple trick does it yeah yeah like that's i think like that's like my biggest kind of struggle with like the youtube side of things is like everything i'm kind of preaching in terms of

like how to be a better lifter is do more of the right shit for longer. And it's, that's not really a fun sales pitch, but I think it's like the most important thing that I can hammer into young lifters, because if I just heard more of that, instead of just chasing bullshit around, I'd probably be less jacked up at this point in my career. Yeah, you're, you're probably right. Um, on the the training we've got a lot of not training related questions to ask you which is funner for me because like right that's all i get asked about that yeah so we'll get you off some of that but just to get a couple of the training things out of the way at least in our light of it um here's a training thing. If you could describe conjugate training in exactly three words and only three words, you only get three words. What three words would you use to describe conjugate training?

Can I preface into the three words? Yes, you could do that. We'll allow that. Yeah, that's fair. Some context. guys you could do we'll allow that yeah that's fair some context so what i'm trying to answer with conjugate training is what you need that's my that's my three okay and the reason i say that is like looking at it as a general philosophy the the big thing with conjugate what i don't want to get into the nerdy definitions of whether it's conjugate or concurrent or whatever bullshit, but what it fundamentally comes down to is having a big toolkit with a lot of tools in it so that you can select the right tool for what you need with where you are in training in relation to your meet. And like everything I do, I define as conjugate, but it doesn't look a lot like what a lot of people think of as conjugate because I'm not doing a ton of weird exercises.

I'm not doing a ton of box squats for the sake of doing box squats. I'm more trying to think like, how can I best set up this lifter with where they are to get them to where they need to be? And if we can just focus on what a lifter needs, I think we can make it work very, very, very well. on what a lifter needs, I think we can make it work very, very, very well. And obviously there still is the elements of having heavier lift and heavier lifting on one session and having some lighter, faster lifting, having rep work all in there. But I'm not just like sticking to that. This is how we have to lay it out. I'm trying to manipulate the different elements to best fit where I am or where a client is or where whoever I'm trying to talk to what they could be doing better. Yeah. I think like, yeah, I think like having that philosophy also makes it valuable too, because I'm able to, you know, take someone on like the injury side of things, no matter what

their coach's philosophy is or what their philosophy is, I can then kind of like make my shit fit inside of what they're doing a little bit better versus if I just had this dogmatic, make my shit fit inside of what they're doing a little bit better versus if I just had this dogmatic, this is how it must be done. Yeah, I think so too, which is, which is kind of more of a philosophical definition than like a firm definition, but like that's, that's how my brain works. And if I focus on more having like a solid philosophical foundation, it's like the, the physical then manifests a lot easier, a lot smoother. Yeah. What I think about when you explain that, how I process that is what it reminds me of is people like to put others into or get put into these specific boxes of conjugate or linear periodization or RPE-based training, or whatever this is.

But at the end of the day, anyone that's using any of it effectively, which a lot of it can be used effectively, it's kind of like reverting back to the same general ideas, a lot of what you were just explaining that, where whatever style of training you lean into, like the more basic high-level stuff is going to be really comparable between any of the any of the forms of that that work well and like something i say all the time is i don't think the program matters if you understand how to manipulate the program for where you are in

it right because it's like looking at kind of my entire client roster right now, everything looks very, very, very different. Everything, like I have different frequency, I have different loading patterns, pretty much everything's different between almost every client. But it's like the client understands why we're doing it. I understand what I'm trying to accomplish with it. The client understands that and they're able to execute and then it works. And it's like, we kind of just build off of what's happening and we just kind of keep letting it go. And it turns into something pretty cool down the line.

And I understand that with that verbal diarrhea that just came out of my mouth, it probably sounds like it is a little bit overcomplicated, but when it kind of lays out and when you kind of have the understanding of intent and understanding what you're trying to accomplish you kind of see it progressing week to week to week to week it actually becomes quite simple to know like oh we we modified this exercises because we were falling forward in the squat okay did it work sweet we could either keep going until we need to do something else or we could either modify it the other way to fix something else and it just like having that fluidity makes it simpler even though simpler

application even though it may be more complex to explain yeah what um as conj you get to you a lot of exercise lift variations you know you have a lot of different different tools in your toolkit like you explained a question we like to talk about with uh anyone sometimes to get their opinion on this is here's the scenario for you you uh a new person walks into your gym you've never seen this lifter before your task that's given to you is you want to most accurately judge how strong you think this individual is and you only get to see them perform one lift in order to make that assessment of them what lift would you have them do for you to be able to hopefully most most accurately gauge how overall strong that lifter is what one lift

would you want to uh put any person in uh through and you you judge that watch that man that's that's a fun one we've heard a lot of different answers on this from a lot of people what i'm going off on this is like i've been around a lot of very very very very very strong people. Right? And I'm thinking like, what have I seen all of them be able to do that I haven't seen a not very strong person be able to do? I think the thing that's popping up in my head the most is like, I've seen a lot of like freaky barbell row strength.

And I think like if someone can do a freaky barbell row, I'd be willing to bet that they have a decent squat, a decent deadlift, and a decent bench. I don't think we've ever gotten that answer before. No, I think that's a new one. I think I can wrap my head around it though too. Technically, like technical requirements, I don't know that there's a, you know,

a nice part about it is there's not a ton of, you know, you just tell even someone that's not a ton of uh you know you just tell even a someone that's not super well trained it's like this bar is on the ground you need to row it up to your chest and return it to the ground you know that's um part of gauging judging it i think is seeing how they perform it of course you know what what their technique is uh that's an interesting one we i don't think that one's been discussed at all has it tommy i don't think so but i do i do like that answer yeah because it's like if someone walks in the gym and like they set up to you know you think they're on a deadlift platform you think they're about to pull

585 and they go and you know that guy's strong yeah yeah kaylor woolham is a guy that used to do really really heavy rows. You know, he's deadlifting like 900 and some pounds, but he would do like five, four or five, 600 pound rows. And it just looks crazy to see people do that. And like what, what Kayla was doing with that dad and Bella and I got on that trade for a little bit. Like, I think it helped dad's deadlift. helped dad's deadlift it almost it almost felt like it made my deadlift worse because like my tendency in my deadlift is to kind of go out of my legs and kind of turn it into more of like a upper back and i get too far behind the bar and like cranking the shit out of those rows

it almost like made it too easy to go the wrong way in my deadlift and i like i was like after doing that it's like i got such a freaking strong upper back and like my squat exploded. Like my squat, like benefited hugely. That is what pushed my squat over 900 pounds raw. But it's like, I fought with my deadlift technique because it was almost like I was too upper backed after getting really good at those. Okay. It's interesting.

But then that goes back to like using what you need or, you know, like what you need. And apparently specifically for your deadlift, that probably wasn't what you need or you know like what you need and apparently yes specifically for your deadlift that probably wasn't what you needed then exactly exactly like and i had to learn that the hard way because it was like this the stupidest thing looking back at it because like i was when i was younger i trained with you know more real conjugate lifters back in Canada, moved down to Florida, still kept that philosophy in Florida. And like, I was like posterior chain, freaking everything and yada, yada, yada, yada. Like my good morning was stronger than my deadlift.

My barbell row was, you know, way heavier than it should have been in relation to my deadlift. And then it's like, oh, you're just ignoring your quads. Like if you just learned how to use your quads in a deadlift finally i can stay over the bar and actually get something to lock out yeah i watched it must have been a reel or something where you're talking about quads uh like not to be a you know for raw lifting not to be afraid of uh yeah your quads aren't a bad thing and like that's that's something that like being conjugate bias i know like most people in raw powerlifting are like no shit sherlock of course your quads matter but having like more the

conjugate side of following it's something that i run into all the time is like people are like coming to me with knee problems and i'm like hey have you just what does your quad work look like they're like quad work and i'm like well buddy that's what we got to get going on and it's it's so funny because it's just it's one of the things that should be obvious but because so many lifters have heard it one way for so freaking long they're afraid of the forward travel they're afraid of the quads that it's like one of those things where i feel silly for needing to say it but i still think it does need to be said because there are people that don't get it right um you're missing uh one of your important props that i where you become pretty used to you seeing uh always within reach yeah so what uh what's the story on you like how did you come up with that for the first time? And it's stuck around.

It's pretty notable now. So I guess one of my pastimes that I just do to kind of shut my brain off from training and work is film photography. One of my favorite YouTube channels is called brainy days. And he had something stupid for a mic, like a mic holder one day. And I was like, I want to try something stupid for a mic holder. And it's just kind of, it's become my thing that I, it almost like makes it easier to like have the prop to like talk into it, like makes it easier to put on camera talking face. So it's something I'm rolling with. And it's, it's just fun too.

Cause like, people are like, why the hell do you have a spatula? And my wife's like, why the hell do you have a spatula? And my wife's like, what, where the hell did the spatula go? Okay. Tommy, you better hit them up with the hardware questions.

See what he's, what he's using over there. He says he's into. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right.

So what, what do you, what do you like to film with? What do you use for a camera and, and lenses? So like for like, like film photography stuff like the actual camera and lenses well do you do actual film like film film photography yeah it's like that that i i just have like stuff that i've grabbed at the literal antique store in our little town that for

dirt cheap so it's not nothing's fancy okay where'd you get 605 stn for the 35 and i got a russian lubitel for my medium format. Oh, medium format even. So where do you find film for that? I mean, do you have to order it online? So there's a camera shop in Calgary that does specialty film stuff that I just go to and grab it and they do that process and develop it. Oh, they do. Okay.

One of those benefits of big city Canadian living. You know, we don't have anything like that around here. Yeah. So it's spoiled, but I honestly find that like the reason I'm so drawn to it is for me because there is so much that you are doing to get a photo to look good before you know whether the photo actually is going to be good. And what I mean by that is like in a meat prep, there is so much you were doing before you actually get to the meat day. Yeah.

And you don't know how that meat is going to go to the meat day. You're just like trusting the process and like learning to enjoy, like going through it without knowing. And then taking a film photo when I, you know, when I first got my media for my camera, I had no clue if it would even work. And I was just like, am I wasting my time metering?

Am I wasting my time trying to get the stupid Russian thing to focus? And it was just like this, the unknown and the unsureness. And then like the moment where you finally get the negatives back and you're like, Holy shit, that was cool. Yeah. It reminds me a lot of training for me it is it's kind of like you're doing like all the steps you know the training or all the steps of taking a photo it's it's that

foundation that you're building and you know the test then is when you either push that button or you go out and lift and that's where you see okay did all the foundation all the groundwork are laid here did that actually work so yeah that is that is a good analogy. One thing Tanner and I have talked about. So how long have you been doing content creation? Like how, how far back did you first start doing something like that? So like the successful round of like building up to this started in probably 2020, but I had multiple unsuccessful rounds of like trying to do better at this kind of stuff. And I just, I'm kicking myself because like, how'd I just kept trying in 2016 until 2017? How much further ahead would I be? We have that same conversation all the time.

Like, cause I mean, we have YouTube videos going back to what, 2014 Tanner. And we're like, why, why didn't we just stick with that? But one of the things I was going to say is, and this is, I mean, this is not a new novel concept, but the tools have made it so much easier now though. Like when you have an idea to just get it out and make it happen, you know, edit it, make it look great, have the sound look great. Like to be able to just have that microphone that you put on the spatula, you know, it's like so simple. Yeah. And like that has, you know, like that is like, that is the flip side of it is it's it's gotten so easy now to when you have an idea bring it to life and make it happen but uh because of that also everyone is doing it too so it is a it is a crowded spot for sure but then i think it's like the even if it is a crowded spot it's like

if you can just do it more and more and more and more you start to stand out not just because you're doing it more but because like when I started like the most recent turning it into actually working, I freaking sucked at first. Like it was terrible. Like it was so bad. Like my wife will often go back to my Instagram and like, send me reels just to be like, look at how stupid you were. I'm like, well, yeah, I was, I had no idea what I was doing. I'd hardly freaking speak. And like the only thing that's kind of let me grow, I think is just because I didn't care how stupid I looked. I didn't care how stupid I sounded. I knew that if I wanted to get better, I would have to sound stupid for a little bit to learn how to speak better,

learn how to present ideas. And it's just kind of all unfolded from there. Yeah. I mean, that's funny. You're saying all this stuff. This is like the exact stuff Tanner and I talk about all the time offline is that. Yeah. And that should be the goal. You should look back on the old stuff and be like, man, I have gotten so much better since then. Like we've always said, like when to be the worst. If you look back on your old stuff, it was like, oh, that was the best.

That was the high water mark. I've only gotten worse. And then like you bring it back to the old powerlifting thing too there. Cause it's like the same thing as like people don't want to do their first meet because they're afraid of looking weak or they're afraid of what people think but it's like that's the point of the first meet don't do your first meet you're not going to be able to have a second meet that gets better and a third meet that's better and a fourth and so on and so on and so forth and i think like the the biggest thing that even like helped my powerlifting career, I don't want to say that like later stages,

but now that I'm not a child anymore is like being okay with a bad meat and realizing that a bad meat isn't bad. It's just, it's just I didn't perform well and what can I learn from it? And I think a lot of intermediates will get stuck in the feeling, the pressure to always hit a PR and then having that pressure turn into self-sabotage because they're afraid that they won't yeah i think like it's super valid and i think it's like the the same thing with the content creation is like there's i talk to so many kids who have so many good ideas when we're speaking and like turn that into a reel and they're like

well what if it doesn't get views? And I'm like, who cares? Yes, it probably won't. Yeah, it's probably not going to. And the one tomorrow probably won't either. And the one tomorrow, the day after that. And then all of a sudden you're going to do one that you think is never going to, would never have a chance when you're at your lowest. And then that's the one that's for some reason going to go the most viral that you've ever had before. So it is just like keeping at that. What you guys, before we get off of it, since you both know, and I have no idea, the actual

shooting photography with film, I don't know anything about it. What I'm wondering, like my comparison in media would be audio. Like people might say a record, there's just something about a record, like it just has a certain sound that even though technology is advanced way beyond it, it's still a record still just like has something about it that can't be recreated through the more advanced technology. Is there elements of that with photography on film that when a photography is done on film, that there's a certain thing that digital can't duplicate, or is that not the, not true? What would, maybe you have different opinions on that too. I would say yes, but no. Yeah. What do you say, Tommy? I was going to say,

take it away. And then just your yes, but no, I was going to say, that's a great answer already right there, but go ahead. Cause like the film, like there's digital noise versus film grade. I don't want to get into all of that, but it's like the film like there's digital noise versus film great i don't want to get into all of that but it's like the film green does look different the film in a way does have a different feel but every time like we go on a hike and like i'll shoot film my wife brings the a7r5 and shoots on that and like when we get the photos back i'm just like i don't know her look that's yeah so that's yes you're 100 right that's exactly how i feel too is that um so what what's got really popular is you can buy these and i'm explaining this to tanner you can buy like these like film emulsion so film is known like every brand had its own like look

and color tint and imperfections that made it like cool and unique and that's how photographers would kind of pick their look. They'd, you know, they grabbed the film that they wanted to have it look like that. And so what's gotten popular is like, there was a time when people were downloading all these like packs that they would,

this recreates this Fuji film from the 1980s and you put it on there and it's got this, this hue to it. And like, so that got really popular and it does, it gives it like this atmosphere and this mood and everything. But then you just take out like the brand new camera and you take a picture. Like, I don't know, man, that looks like real life.

That's pretty cool. So like, that's, that's where I always struggle with it. And, and I think like on the can't be recreated with digital, like this weekend I went out, we were out in Banff and I was shooting on my wife's camera and the images look phenomenal. Like it just looks like the look is phenomenal but like the feeling taking it it's like it digital takes away the pressure element like what i'm talking about with the the unknown and not knowing if it's going to work like that to me is like what makes film exciting whereas like digital you can take something just rips but it's right there you can see it immediately in the viewfinder and you know it ripped whereas film it's like you're trying so hard to make it good because you know you only

really have one shot at it and that's that's what can't be recreated with digital all right yeah so it's kind of stupid but it's a yes and no i get i get it yeah yes and no that makes sense okay yeah because from the pure quality perspective like digital is gonna whoop ass pretty much all day long unless you're shooting on you know something very large format with film in terms of quality okay but i don't want to i don't want to be the guy that cuts around an 8x10. Who would win in a fight, you or Yukon Cornelius? I don't know. I think I'm not very...

I'm very disadvantaged by fighting abilities at the current moment. It does bring up the question, though. What are yukon cornelius's fighting capabilities though like how doesn't he carry like a pickaxe with them or something like that yeah like that that's and he's pickaxing all day long like his shoulders got to work pretty well so yeah he's also like he came from a period where you know i don't know that a lot of people were training like Brazilian jujitsu and stuff like that. So I don't know what he probably boxed like this, you know, old timey. So maybe his tech, maybe you'd have a one up on him just like better, better knowledge. Yeah, I don't know.

I think I'm getting my ass kicked. Yeah, he's pretty rugged uh but more than one person wanted us to ask you about that so there's certainly uh you must uh be given off a yukon cornelius vibe for sure well i think what it was for long i had a freaking stupid long must like not stupid long but it was stupid and long mustache. Important distinction. Yeah, that probably did it. Well, what, what, what, oh, do you, what's your sort of side tangent? You have some sort of like agricultural background or something where we've seen you like on like a bison farm or something what's what's

the story with that so yeah my brother and i we grew up on a bison ranch and my parents still have bison so that's that's where that came from okay so is that in uh around calgary area like where where you live now or that's about 20 minutes west of us okay so close enough to get out there close enough you have a endless supply of Okay. So close enough to get out there close enough. You have a endless supply of meat, but not close enough to be there every day. So do they raise any cattle also, or is it all bison?

So my dad being the kindhearted soul that he is. So he he's pretty much like bison is how they make their money. So they're, they're doing bison for, for money. But if one of our neighbors has like an orphaned calf, my dad will take it in and bottle feed it. like bison is how they make their money. So they're, they're doing bison for, for money. But if one of our neighbors has like an orphaned calf, my dad will take it in and bottle feed it. So we have, he has like six or seven like cow calves that he's bottle fed. And now they're just roaming around or my parents, literal front yard, like in, in the yard, eating grass,

eating bushes, pissing my mom off just because he wanted to bottle feed them. So are, are bison farms common out there is that i mean are you guys one of the only ones i mean i wouldn't so it's like they're not common but it's also not uncommon okay because like there's i know of you know three or four within 100 kilometer radius so there's a handful but it's not like it's not saturated by any means right okay is that would you say it's about like that out here too, Tanner? I mean, yeah, there's a, I know of a couple around where, so we're in a big agricultural community, like egg kind of runs everything that goes on, uh, through at least like 40%

of our state pretty much. Um, and I do know of just, I mean, cattle is huge in South Dakota, of course, but I only know of a couple like bison ranchers. So it's not, not common by any means. Like it's, it's noteworthy if that's what somebody does for sure. Yeah. And I think like the, the secret is it's so much easier handling bison than cattle. Oh, is it like, and it's like, they handling bison than cattle oh is it like in what way and it's like they're harder to set up they're more of a pain in the ass to do anything with but you basically just

make sure they have food and water and that's all you need to do okay because like there's they're still wild enough that they can you know you don't have to pull calves you don't have to worry about infection you don't worry about getting sick they're they're much hardier animals okay it's like they're it's probably like less day to day but then when you have to take them to the butcher shop there it's more of a pain in the ass to get them loaded up and get them moved and if you got to move them it does suck but the day-to-day it's a little bit less stressful in cattle are they temperamental in the way that you guys wouldn't want to be in a pen with them or are they not too bad? So again, like with my dad and his bottle feeding thing, he had an orphaned bull calf, like probably six years ago,

because I bottle fed him before we went to Florida and that calf is still in the pen. And it's like, because that calf that we bottle fed is tame he almost like keeps the rest of the herd calm so like as long as it's someone that he's familiar with like the herd is pretty calm if there's strangers in it they get kind of a little buck wild and i wouldn't want to be walking around in there without being near the tractor yeah because that's the thing like with bite you know you always hear yellowstone and everything is the buffalo are out like yep i do not get too close to them because they will attack and they are way faster than you could ever think yes it's it's freaking terrifying when they run like if they're stampeding like a quarter mile away from me i'm like get in the truck it's so scary because it's like you

could like they're a quarter mile away you just like feel the ground shaking and the thought like sounds like thunder and you're like yeah they're they're much larger than i am yeah does anyone ever call it buffalo yeah yeah like it's yeah they're they're interchangeable enough how about yeah what what's funny is my dad had another bottle fed one a couple years ago that he was trying to saddle and ride oh really he was like have you guys ever seen the buffalo okay my dad actually like found the guy on the buffalo talk to him trying to actual guy on the buffalo someone showed me that for the first time at least 10 years ago and we spent days watching it on repeat that it was like the most insane, hilarious thing. You know, this is probably in like 2012 or 2013 YouTube.

And we watched it so many times because this guy in a Buffalo. I am not familiar with this at all. And I typed it in. And yeah, Tanner, 2011 is what it's on here. And this looks like quite the video. So where's the guy from or what uh i i don't know i just know that my dad got a hold of him he he then got all of the information he's like i'm gonna ride this buffalo and long story short he ended up on

american's funniest home videos one of the first attempts long story part two is he ended up in the hospital with a brain bleed and then that he ended up in the hospital with a brain bleed. And then that Buffalo ended up on the dinner table the next day. Oh, yeah. Okay. So then that Buffalo writing. Yeah. That was the end of his, you know, attempt at getting, getting that done.

But yeah. Do you have a, they can be a little bit angry if they want to. Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed noticed you know i've always said bison but a lot of people around here more because of north dakota's mascot the the they'll say bison do you have any distinction there between the two bison versus bison i mean i have never heard someone go by Zen.

So, right. Isn't that what they say? Tanner is like, they like where it's more like spelled as Z. And I always thought that was really weird. Yeah. People definitely say that sometimes.

I mean, I'm okay with it. I'm not going to, not going to be like, no, that's wrong. You're not going to take a hard stance against them. It doesn't feel right.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's the way i ever say it but it's not uncommon to hear people here say around here say that okay all right that's great i'm really glad we talked about the guy in the buffalo i'm gonna have to watch that when we get done with this tonight i won't be able to go to bed until i see that the the everyone has 16 million views so it was it must be a bang everyone it up. If you don't know what we're talking about, that would be a homework assignment is look up a guy on a buffalo.

I think it was like a TV show or something. I mean, it looks like it was shot in the 70s or something. That's what I was going to say. It's an old video, and I think it was part of something that was on television. I don't know what it was. I guess I don't know the actual story, but there's a great song that goes on television. I don't know what it was. I guess I don't know the actual story, but, um, it's definitely, there's a great song that goes with it.

So high, high, high entertainment value. Yes. Uh, Tommy and I have had a few different chiropractors on the podcast over the years. Uh,

some of like, I guess what I would consider like the YouTube chiropractic guys we've had bow high tower on, um, I don't know, several years ago. Now at this point, it's been, been quite a while since we had them, but do you follow along with anyone like that? Do you, do you consume any, uh, uh, almost like entertainment chiropractic, uh, content at all? So I should like, I don't really do chiropractic so chiropractor was the education right and the reason i went that road education is i thought that what i needed to solve my

problems was better manual therapy so i went to chiro school thinking that the manual therapy would be what would fix me and what i realized it was just better training management and then using learning to use training as a rehab modality. So that's like, my focus has been entirely down that route. So I don't do any cracking. I don't do any of that sort of stuff personally. So I don't really, I don't really get into it. That's fair.

So you don't like if, uh, your buddy comes up and is like, Hey, uh, this twinge in my neck, you know, he's not saying, he's not saying, uh, my hip is tight when I squat. He's just like, ah, something's just a little out of whack.

Yeah. My neck. Can you do something for me? Will you do that at all? Or do you just avoid it? I, I try to avoid it mostly because I don't want every motherfucker in the gym walking up to me and like,

can you do this to me? But the other reason too, is like is like again i don't want to speak poorly but like the big thing is like cracking a joint fundamentally it's just a stimulus that tells the brain like hey this can move again i would much rather like if someone has a twinge of their neck, I'd much rather like figure out like, Hey, can we play with an isometric? Can we play with motion? Can we play with an exercise that would then resolve this then could be trained upon to continue progress rather than needing to come back to me to get another crack.

Are you familiar with the ring dinger at all? Yes. Terrifying. Terrifying. do not want in school we actually we actually had someone buy a y-strap and we're all like screwing around with it just like see what it what it felt like and it was so scary would not recommend it you watch the videos on youtube and it looks absolutely terrified i remember the first time we came across those we couldn't believe that it was a real thing because it just seems so out there you know what i think the biggest the biggest thing i learned in chiro school is how freaking resilient the human spine actually is because like if it was as fragile as every asshole wants

to think it is like everyone that makes it through chiro school would have been dead because like there is some very very very messed up stuff that our necks and our spies are subjected to while everyone's trying to learn how to crank on each other and like that's like the big takeaway is like oh i i didn't die from that like i'm pretty okay so okay because you you do take maybe a slightly different approach than what you know if you were to tell someone you're a chiropractor, you know, your, your methodology is maybe different than what someone traditionally thinks of. Like if you're meeting someone for the first time and they say, what do you do? Do you tell them you're a chiropractor or how do you explain that?

I, so like the joke answer is like, if it's, it's funny, I'll be like social media influencer and then just laugh and then like brush it off. if they inquire further i'll kind of explain like i i help powerlifters with rehab and make content on it but okay i try to avoid it as much as possible mostly because like it just like leads to like awkward conversations where they're like well why don't you and i better i have to explain for 20 minutes. It just turned into. Yep. Yep. No, yeah, I get that. Do you ever get hot training with wearing a beanie? Man, you know what? It is the weirdest thing ever because when I,

when I was in Canada, like as a, as a kid, as a teenager training, I would be so hard. Like every summer I would just like die and my training would go to shit. Then I moved to Florida and like my strategy for feeling okay in Florida was I'm gonna wear sweater sweatpants and hat every single time I train in Florida until I get used to it

and then like it kind of like broke me of my heat pansiness and now that I'm back in Canada it's like I feel so wrong if I'm not warm in the gym. Like if I'm not hot, it feels just wrong. And it just, I just don't like it. So like, I do get warm with the beanie on, but it's nice. Like, I want that. I've tried to try to get that feeling back. And I remember being a kid, like one of my training partners was from Atlanta and he would always talk about how, like how much he missed the heat. And I'd be like, Ross, you're, you're insane.

Like, this is, that's stupid. Like, it's, it's so hot right now. This this sucks he'd be like no no no no you don't get it bro and i'm like i i now understand where he was coming from can you get multiple training sessions out of a beanie before you have to wash it or do you have to wash a beanie after uh how does because i i don't like having to wash my stuff. You know what I say? Like, for example, a pair of a mesh shorts. Sometimes I get more than one training session out of a pair of mesh shorts because, well,

they're not, I didn't work that hard, you know, whatever. I wasn't drenched in sweat. They're fine. I'll wear them again. And by sometimes I mean almost all the time.

Gross answer. Yeah. But not as gross as it could be. So like I have, I have gym beanies and i have not gym beans yeah yeah yeah and like the not gym beanies hardly ever need to get washed right gym beanies they get washed but not as often as they probably should from a hygienic perspective but like if they get stinky i'll wash wash it. If they get like actually crunchy, I'll wash it.

But it's, it's rare. I mean, I think on the non, yeah, I was going to say knee sleeves get stinky and crunchy and people still don't wash them. So, you know,

like exactly, exactly. And I think on the non gym beanies, you almost want to go as long as possible without washing them anyways, because you know, once you wash them for that first time, something's going to be different about it. It's never going to be quite the same beanie that it was pre-walk tighter it has like a shallower fit like it's all off yeah yeah okay so that's good

beanie tips uh tommy what do you think about overrated underrated i think it's time all right big seth we've got this game we play with everyone. You're no exception. We've got a special big Dr. Seth Albersworth set of hand-picked topics that are just for you. One side tangent. Do people ever mispronounce your last name by putting a T in it? I feel like there could be a T in it. Every time I look at it, I'm like, it could be Albert's worth. that i you know every time i look at it i'm like it could be albert swirth all the time yeah like i get that feeling every time i even say it i'm like no there is not a t i know there's not and i keep thinking it every time still yeah yeah it's not i'm actually

quite impressed yeah there was i don't know if you my brother well my brother wasn't on it but justin harris was talking about my brother on blood, sweat and gear the other day. And like, he butchered Cole's name so bad. It's not often that we outdo people in the pronunciation game. So that's a big, a big feather in our cap. All right. So not Albert's worth just to clarify for everyone in case you've been saying that in your head before i'm sure i've said that in my head before not thinking about it

closely um so we do have this hand-picked set of topics for you it's just your job to decide if each one is overrated or underrated you have your druthers to elaborate as much or as little as you would like but you just have to remember you can can't ride the line. You have to definitively pick over or under for each one. Okay, let's go. So, overrated or underrated, a BMX topic off the back, overrated or underrated, Dave Mira. Underrated. And looking through your posts, looks like you're a bit of a BMX guy.

So, I grew up racing motocross. So like motocross was my sport that I took insanely seriously from the age of four to the age of 17. BMX was kind of like my side hobby, but now that I am a fat power lifter, riding a motocross bike is scary. Riding a BMX bike is scary riding a bmx bike is more accessible so that's why i'm back on bmx but not back on a motocross bike all right

and so were you a dave mira fan growing up then oh 100 like david bmx on ps2 was like my freaking jam oh yeah i mean was like is is dave mira the tony hawk of bmx is is that a fair comparison i tony hawk is nerdier than dave mira okay like i'd say matt hoffman would be like tony hawk of bmx okay yeah yeah i remember i remember him too yeah who uh more important for their sport Dave Mira for BMX or Travis Pastrana for motocross so that's that's a tricky one because like on in moto Travis isn't really no one as core moto because like in motocross like all the guys that raced are like freestyles dumb right travis broke off in freestyle so there's a bunch of people that were you know anti-travis for a lot of years because travis stopped racing to pursue freestyle so like in terms of like

motocross definite no i think in terms of the big picture getting getting it into the mainstream as like dirt bike riding probably yes travis uh that's good did you ever uh play any motocross games growing up like on playstation or anything like that bad being in canada not being able to ride like four months of the year i wore through ps2 controllers played m MX unleashed. MX unleashed. Yeah. I played that. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. We had MX 2002 and God, we played that game so much,

but that was late because that was before people had done like backflips or anything. So you're so limited in like what you're, what's the moves you had available to you, but all we love those games. Yeah. They were so fun. And this was probably a hundred percent placebo,

but I swear like doing like playing a motocross video game at least like helped somehow the next race season because like you're just like dialing line choice you're like just nailing line choice over and over and over again like the physics was kind of close enough that i at least pretended there was carryover yeah i can see that yeah definite carryover yeah and i think like the saddest thing about like my adulthood is like i i got this the video editing setup whatever that i have here and i'm like i'm gonna get mx unleashed on my on my pc and like going back to that like at 30 versus you know 11 it's like it's like oh was it was not quite the same yeah no no but it could be worse i like to excite bike and that talk about an underwhelming

motocross game uh excite bike is not quite what i remembered it when i was a really little kid so yeah overrated or underrated ab work under under for sure yeah i think you posted something recently you were talking about standing ab uh a standing out you're showing off a standing ab exercise like uh in the like the old one the spud strap yeah right yeah yeah yeah and and like the reason i say under is like there's it's very common to be like i squat i deadlift that's all the ab training i need but if we compare it to like a muscle group like lats that

doesn't really move the bar but it's still important like a squat and a deadlift and a bench isn't enough lat training so it's like why would that be enough ab training like yes we need the abs to basically just hold still and contract isometrically during the power lifts, but an isometric contraction is not the best way to train a muscle. And if we want to get better at isometrically contracting, if we can get it to actually contract, we're going to be stronger than isometric. And one of like the easiest ways I can put pounds on a total very quickly is to get someone to go from zero ab work to a lot of ab work and really strong torso. And like, obviously the gains will be then limited by how strong they're supporting stuff around the torso is. But if we can get the torso to no longer be the link in the chain that breaks, they're

going to do better. And like, everyone wants to be all like my bracing technique, but like, if you were just stronger, like you don't need a perfect bracing technique but like if you were just stronger like you don't need a perfect bracing technique to brace you can just be strong enough to brace and a lot of times the technical breakdown is going to be due to strength in the first place anyways so yeah definitely definitely underrated i do like that you said i feel like everyone's heard that before of i've squat and i squat and deadlifted bench a lot like that's that's my abs are good enough i feel like everyone's heard that no matter where or when you've trained

and like in the context of like just someone on the street sure in the context of me trying to put a lot of weight on my back i would rather have a stronger torso than ignore it yeah overrated or underrated carhart we got we got a lot of laughs going here i'm gonna throw myself under the bus and say overrated so for people that don't know, Carhartt does seem to be a staple in your wardrobe. Well, it's like the reason I wear it so much,

part history, part utility. It's like, again, like growing up on a bison farm, like Carhartt was my wardrobe as a child. It was a little kid, like wearing cute littlet overalls as a kid, running around the farmyard. In high school, Carhartt t-shirts were my uniform. Before it was fashionable. You were like Bane. Before it was every hipster.

Yeah, you were born in the darkness. Everyone else just came on. You were molded by it. And then it's like when i started power lifting i realized that holy shit these shirts are really sticky and hold the squat bar very well so it became my favorite shirt to train in and i've just kept trading in them because they stick to a squat bar they stick to a bench pad and as a fat guy they fit really well like it's yeah they got the box you fit down and also the tall sizes.

So yeah, I mean, there's something for everyone there. Yep. So, but you're saying I actually, this would be being a dick, but I had a guy that was like on every single post I posted for a very long time. He's like, you don't do Carhartt shit. And I ended up blocking it because it's just not annoying. Yeah. Also, how does he know? like your page is about mostly training

and stuff like how does he know if you do or don't do car hardship you know like and what is car hardship also I mean I know what he's saying but also that's just that's lame I think and again it's like maybe I necessarily

blocked it because he was actually trying to be funny, not being a deck, which I did consider, but yeah. Okay. Last one. Most important one worth all the marbles overrated or underrated diet root

beer. Underrated. It should be the only beverage legally allowed for drinking at all times. Looking at my office, I got two here, two Eppys here,

one on the go. What's the go-to brand? What's the go-to mug? Mug. Is mug distinctly better to you than in comparison to say barks or what would be the other alternatives tommy well i mean i don't know about canada they might have something crazy we don't even know about so canada we don't get diet

barks so that's off the table because okay i need to not make weight. So it's A&W or mug. A&W, there you go. Mug wins. Okay. But the problem is that due to me being here, my brother being here, both of us probably consuming a case a day, the grocery store runs out of mugs pretty darn quickly. So there's a few days a week where we have to go with A&W.

Oh, man. the old mug shortage yeah you don't want to be caught in that situation you know it's like 2020 all over again and it's like it's like so disappointed to like walk down that aisle being like i had to grab my fresh case of mug and then like be like oh it's it's gone aw it is but and just to us, because some people like to point out the way we say it sometimes. How do you say the name of the beverage we've been talking about? Just say what we've been talking about. Like root beer? Is that the word? Yeah.

And you said, I think, the conventional way of saying that. I mean, Tommy, he said root beer, right? That's how I heard it, yes. Yeah, yeah. Whereas we have been criticized for saying what? Rut beer. Rut. Yeah.

Rut beer. Rut beer. Yeah. The corners are a strange place is what I've got to say. That's fair. Yeah. uh oh we got one we got one uh we got one bonus one here i hope i hope you know i think you'll know what i'm talking about overrated underrated the reebok tr light underrated the greatest powerlifting shoe of all time we we were we were out i mean it was a sad day for us when we realized you can't get those anymore we love those shoes oh they're so good

like i i i imagine they don't make them because they didn't sell enough but it's like oh i wish i actually have like three pairs stashed that I'm keeping like in pristine condition just so I could have them for the rest of my life. I have a new in box pair that I bought in like 2015. Once I knew they were going away that I've never, never taken out of the box before. Yep. Yeah.

I'll pull on that sucker. Cause yeah. Yeah. We had a running kind of running gig with jesse burdick for years because we interviewed him at the arnold like a few consecutive years and we'd always ask him like when the reebok tr light's coming back or what the latest is on the on the shoe and he used to have answers and after by like the third year he was like please don't just see us coming and be like oh god we're gonna talk about the shoe that still doesn't exist poor guy yeah okay yeah so do you do you wear the do you wear them to train still

then do you have yeah i wear them to deadlift in what cut what color way do you have of the tr lights so i got one of the like limited releases where it's like the the woven kevlar whatever bullshit going on yeah yeah so it's like they're like that blacky gray i got i got three of those kicking around that was like i think that was like the last color they came out with i think it was yeah yeah okay great uh good news that you passed overrated underrated with flying colors actually so perfect that's a something to be proud of and we gotta talk about the tr we haven't talked about that shoe for no that's now so glad you brought that up but it's like so okay so i i fell for the barefoot shoe i don't want to call it scab but i fell for barefoot shoes and all the barefoot

shoes did for me was make it freaking impossible to wear normal shoes because my feet got so freaking wide from just the spray then you couldn't go back to back to go back so it's like like if the if my tr lights die like i'm screwed like my feet just won't fit i'll have to just do rps only you have no shoe deadlifts you've got a full caveman and there's no coming back like what's funny on that note is like my squat shoes like i wear a heeled squat shoe i stole my brother's like i'm a size 11 and a. I stole my brother's like I'm, I'm a size 11 and a half. I stole my brother's size 13 and a half. Like just because I'm going to get something to my foot would fit in.

So like, I don't want to have to wear clown shoes to the deadlift too. Right. Okay. Um, where should people be going? You know, we talk about your Instagram,, also your YouTube channel. I mean, where would you, where would you be directing people, whether it's YouTube, your website, or where would you want people to check more out at? better information because it's like Instagram, you can only provide so many, so much context in a 15 second reel. Whereas YouTube it's either like deep dive educational stuff or training vlogs, which are probably almost as valuable as educational stuff, because I try to educate as I'm training while being a little bit fun doing them. So like YouTube would be the place

to go for more better Seth. If you want just like clickbait Seth, that's Instagram. What about competition-wise? I know you had a comeback from pec surgery or at least pec injury and I think hit a PR raw total. Do you have plans of competing again anytime soon raw or what's next? So the pec was actually a year and I guess I'm not going to pull this card and be a weirdo, but the pack was actually a year and i guess i'm not gonna pull this card and be a weirdo but the pack was like a year and a day ago today it's like okay and yeah so i did the meet in may where i pulled a pr total out of my ass after that

and like what is funny is according to the guidelines I was given after surgery, I still shouldn't be bench pressing today. But I mean, that was, you know, a little bit risky kind of pushing the way I did, but I am glad, glad that I did what I did rehab wise. And next week coming up is going to be Jordan Wong's king of the platform too in December. So you're going back to Florida. Yeah.

See, see, it seeing some old friends and you get on the platform down there and like and big jordan puts on good meats such a freaking good meat like it's so like everything is so good so i'm excited jordan just bought some new ghost combo racks i saw too so are you are you squaring out of a combo rack or what what's the it's gonna be mono oh it's gonna be monos. Okay. Yep. Yep. All right.

I'm excited. Got my training partners going down there too, and he's going to whoop my ass. So that'll be, that'll be fun as well. Awesome. Well, we'll be cheering for you. Yeah. Sweet. Appreciate it.

Awesome. We really appreciate you coming on. This is a lot of fun. I think our listeners are going to enjoy this. Thanks for taking the time. I'm glad we got to make it happen. Stoked to be here and hopefully I'm sweaty enough for their satisfaction at this point. Thanks a lot, Seth.

Those are grass-fed bison Canadian cool beans. Beans. Cool beans. Those are grass-fed bison Canadian cool beans. I forgot. I just thought I was going to ask him, what's the Calgary rodeo thing that we'd ask Bryce about? I wonder what his take on the week of festival in Calgary. Is it longer than a week? Isn't it longer than a week?

It's a pretty big deal. It's a really big deal, I remember. I can't. Such a big deal that we can't even remember any details about it. Yeah, that is not memorable to us. There was something about it, though. Yeah. You know what is memorable to me, though?

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Speaking of almost being in Canada, when you're in Grand Forks, you are almost in Canada. That is up there. You are not far from it. Yeah, we went up there. My wife and we took my son, my 13-year-old son. His favorite music artist is Zach Bryant. And also arguably my wife's favorite, at least in a handful of favorites.

It's probably on her Mount Rushmore, but it's his by far favorite. And he knows every album, what song is on each album. There's like a 10-member member band and he knows every member of the band and like all down yeah so he he knows more about this music artist than i've ever known about any music artist like and that's not not hyperbole like because i've never been one to know like i barely know like i know some albums, like I know usually the names and the recognize the album art on like a lot of artists, most popular albums, but never has there been someone where I'm like, I can name you every album they

had and like what it was because I never really followed it closely for even the music I liked. So he knows it in great detail. So he knows it in great detail so he loved it it was his first concert ever and it was a 20 some thousand people sold out packed and what i would note is because it was like a party it was like a tailgating party too like so we got there saying or outside yeah at uh uh whatever the alarus, it's where UND plays. Okay, that's what I was wondering. I wasn't even sure if that, okay, so the venue is the football stadium. Yeah, the football stadium, which is 20-some thousand,

but it was a big outdoor, like there's these bands playing outside in the parking lots. And, like, I mean, there was 20,000 people there for, like. Tailgating 10 hours you know i mean like it was and what what i did particularly note though is what overwhelms me a little bit is that you end up what you end up doing is going from a line to a line to a line to a line. And it's like a day of lines. And I'm like, we are standing in line for everything you do for hours. Like anything you ever want to do,

you're just standing in a giant line of people. And I'm like, Oh my God, we're just like, I mean, you could almost say standing at a concert is kind of standing in line. Right. It is kind of like that

too uh but there's just like especially the way that this like when you had to go to the bathroom it's like oh get in line you know you want something to eat get in line you want to buy something from the merch thing get in line uh guess how much his uh tour quitting time tour hooded sweatshirt well the hoodies the hoodies go for like 90 bucks now don't they 90 bucks yep yep that's 90 bucks t-shirts were like 50 or 60 yeah that's like everyone in the merchant our prices are too low dude it's the merch thing they charge uh band merch is is just insane there was merch booths everywhere well i mean not everywhere but there was like i at least saw five different merch booths and the one we went up to, like when we first got there, we naively were like, oh yeah,

here's the merch booth, like walking right up to it. It's all gone. And someone's like, oh, here's the line. And we're like, oh, right here. And then like, we had to walk around the corner. The line to get merch was like 300 people long. Like there was people that literally like just couldn't like so many people that wanted to give them money to buy merch that like you had to wait in line for

like 30 minutes to do it it's like come to the arnold with those guys we'll teach you a thing or two about moving people through a line here i their system sucked also like the way that they had their t-shirts all like just what i'm like how are you selling this much and this is your system yeah i'm like you like and they probably sell out at every stop too though like they probably they probably sell every single thing yeah so did you guys end up buying any merch of any kind he got a hooded sweatshirt yeah did he did he wait in the line or did he go later no we went there was never not a line for things like you just um he has like uh zach bryan has a lot of fanatical fans too like people that are just like all on board and it was a really cool concert he does like a

quad stage where he faces he they set him up in like dead center center field uh-huh and the whole uh football field is just general admission where it's all people standing like you're saying like his stage is like a square or like there's four stages it's there's four stages all connected and he just like goes like so he take he like sings one song facing north and the next one he goes east then south then west and you know he doesn't exactly go in a circle but he just like is and the band is like all set up all over the place in the middle and stuff so it's like like the band is constantly all moving around and like they're so the general admission people like depending on where you're standing eventually

he's going to be like right in front of you so were you guys on the field or were you in the we were in like the bottom of the stands itself you know like where like if you were at a football stadium you know like yeah they'd be at that lower level of yeah right right right um but it was lights you know the they put on a very good con you know whether you like the music or not and i'm not i'm not i like the music and there's a few songs in particular like i'm just not a huge fan of the catalog like i don't know all of you know and i it's the classic thing where anyone after a while they kind of start to sound the same yeah but even like i experienced this at red hot chili peppers one point in time when i'm like haven't they played this song before already tonight i'm like then i'm like oh no they

just really really sound alike when i'm really sitting here just taking it in, I'm like, yeah, that's like their sound. And his is that same thing you experience where it's like, no, that's just what his music sounds like. Okay, did you guys go to one of his concerts like a year or two ago or not? My wife did. Okay, but you did not? I did not. She went to one in Sioux Falls. Oh.

So this is the first time I've seen him. Okay, okay, because I was like, I know Tanner has definitely talked about his concerts before but I couldn't remember if it was you going or Mary going or what the the first one I've been to so it was good it was really fun we tailgated in the parking lot and we're taking shots of uh fireball and playing catch with the football and stuff so that was all yeah like that was like the funnest part to me was just like the and everyone's the pre like we have a football there and like everyone that was all yeah like that was like the funnest part to me was just like the and everyone's the pregame like we have a football there and like everyone that walks by is like oh throw it to me and it's just like you're just like a college football game or uh just tailgating any tailgating you did so i i really enjoyed the tailgating aspect of it

yeah the concert i also like uh that long of thing, like by the end of the concert, I am tired. Yeah. Like I like only have so many hours of stuff in me. So, and then I don't know if we parked in the worst spot possible in that parking lot, but I mean,

we didn't move getting out of there for probably an hour and a half. Really? Like it was just gridlock, not moving and all this, like people constantly trying to like get two inches closer yeah right and like everyone's like no no you cannot go in front of me and like people almost getting in fights over the yeah i'm like there's nobody moving like how can nobody be moving for so long what i mean somewhere i'd be like as far as the eye can see

there's not a car moving in any direction and like how is this possible someone has to be exiting this place right now we're all just sitting here actually there's like one car broken down on the side of the road and no one actually is moving but so we didn't and then we stayed in a little uh little town south of there because we didn't have a hotel there and um we didn't get there till like 1 30 oh really yeah was the concert done like 11 ish or 11 30 maybe but i mean we waited in the parking lot for two for like two hours and a half like without moving uh that would be after some of the concerts i've gone to that would be a struggle uh to have to have to go through that. Yeah.

I usually need to get some food and lay down ASAP. Right. That's the nice part about public transit. Like if you go to... Oh, Minnesota has got that. Yeah, Minnesota. It sounds so good. Right.

The public transit thing is good. It's like, oh, yeah, just people flood out of here. Or just the fact of like it's a major market. So like the number of hotels within walking distance is you know unlimited right yeah where this at like und like nobody's like well it is attached to a a hotel but i mean yeah but that's got to be like the biggest crowds they ever get there is for something like that right so it was cool it was worth it it was fun and my son really enjoyed, he loved, you know, talk about it every, you know, like, did you have to every day and be like,

it could get kind of skunky smelling in there. Did you have to give him a heads up on that one at all? He knows what that is. Yeah. He's, he's aware of that. We told him you're going to probably see a number of things that, uh, that aren't part of normal life. Right right he's he's pretty well you know he's he's he's been around the block at a few events and stuff before so he kind of gets like we went to uh the last timberwolves oh yeah it was on april 20th yeah uh so everywhere we went it was uh there's a lot of weed everywhere we went that day so yeah that will do that will do that yeah so it

was cool though it was fun um i've been i feel like i've been to a lot of concerts in the last few years for someone that i don't necessarily consider myself a big concert guy oh but i've said it before and i do i think i do just like i just kind of maybe I like experiences more than I used to think that I did. So that's why I like concerts just because their experiences is not, not like my favorite artist of all time. I don't really care because of everything. Like I haven't been to a concert yet that I'm like, well,

that sucked. You know, like I'm also going to like really big, you know, like where, right at that level, like people aren't phoning it in. I mean, I should, I should get in front of this and ask, I know Keith is going to like really big you know like where right at that level like people aren't phoning it in i mean i should i should get in front of this and ask i know keith is going to want to know did

he ever tell everyone to sit down and be quiet though like was that a part of the show nobody 20 000 people i swear to god not a person sat down the entire concert because that's what a concert is i mean that's what a concert is. I mean, that's what I was thinking. Yes. Uh, the one thing about him in particular as a music artist, his fans all know the words to every song and they scream the words, almost the entire concert and parts of songs. He just stopped saying like parts of like every song. He just stopped singing and lets the crowd

sing the song and yeah like that's a very common thing at his things where the crowd just like ends up and it it is really cool when you have like 20 some thousand people uh doing that like it just is just feels cool i guess yeah yeah i mean i only knew like a fourth of the word so i wasn't really like so then you were just just screaming at the top of your head. I wasn't in on it. I was just screaming, screaming the F word just to see if people could tell anything different. I was just screaming,

playing the penis game, seeing how you like it. Wow. I could yell penis. Yeah. Oh, so that's, that's that.

Are we going to talk about the new federations at all or we might have to or should we table that it is timely but we might have to hold off a week you know i only got so much so much we covered a lot this week didn't we yeah we did and there's still a lot of things on here we haven't talked about so yeah i still got to talk about like chimp chimp crazy is that the hbo one yeah i saw that pop up on there and i'm like this does look interesting but you better better if you get a chance watch it watch an episode before uh next week so we can talk about let's see if i can talk lee and uh watching one with me here then all i'd say is you know it's uh from the creators of tiger

king that's what i thought i saw. I thought there was some connection there. And I would say I think it's crazier. Really? I don't know. Well, chimps do have the weird thing where they are human-like. So I can see how that would elicit some. I mean, it's just. Some people are freaking weird. Because I know there's the things I've watched other documentaries where people get to the point of breastfeeding chimps when they're growing up.

Yeah. Because I think that was part of i watched an actual a different documentary on hbo years ago about they were trying to like see at what point can they like not get a chimp to progress anymore with human and yeah that lady treated like a baby she breastfed it and she thought it was like really on the same level with her but it was like no just like a violent asshole and that's a big part of this show so maybe like maybe the documentary was part of this yeah like i'm sure there's some crossover because they this follows a particular storyline but as they're following the storyline oh like is this happening a lot of times like what yeah like 2020 2021 the thing i watch it might even be ongoing i haven't gotten to the end of it yet so

i don't even know like what the resolution is but there's a ton like there's kidnapping and like like it's very tiger king-esque that uh it's instead of this ridiculous woman that uh you know that that you follow her story. Gotcha. Exotic animal thing is weird. Dude. I'm not a fan of it, I'll tell you that. I'll tell you what I'm going to say. People are kind of weird in general, man. That's true.

Just trying to see if I can find what the hell that old one I watched was, but I don't know but I don't know. I don't know. Chimp Crazy has just taken over the SEO game, so it's like impossible to find anything that's not Chimp Crazy when I type in Chimp Documentary or anything like that. I'm not, as we don't get too political, as we don't, you know, as it is, so it's been written.

I would just say I'm not say, I'm not like, I'm not a PETA guy by any means, by any stretch of the imagination. But I would say, I'm not really sure if like any people need to be owning like exotic animals. Oh, it's so weird. Like it's pretty sure that that's like not good.

Typically at all. Oh, I just animals like that, that so clearly belong, like not even typically at all oh like animals like that that so clearly belong like not even on this continent i'm like there's like a weird thing of i don't know it's like a mental thing of control and power and also like obsession with owning possessions like ownership like yes there's a lot of like unchecked boxes that are going in i mean that's what the tiger king thing was all about it was just about right it's the same thing i mean like that's that's yeah i i agree man that there's like do you really need to own that animal you know the one i found it it's project nim

okay yeah taken from his mother at birth and raised like a human child and a family in the upper west side in the 1970s yeah and they also go through not necessarily this story but some other store some other things where the chimps went absolutely nuts on people by nature yes yes like scare like the thing is like when you see you violent and yeah yes like rip your face off and uh but the chimps that you see on tell on movies are like young chimps like chimps basically until they're like three or four are like cute and uh you get to do this stuff and they're not that big like yeah because they're like babies almost and then they hit a certain age whether they say it's like five or six and then it's like no these are now like 200 pound like uh rage monsters you know like like they're 200 pound wild animals that are almost human beings and probably like relatively stronger and like more

dangerous uh-huh so yeah that sounds absolutely like razor sharp teeth have hands for feet you know it's pretty freaking crazy so if you can create a created a monster like that's what that thing is like i am i would say after watching a couple episodes of it i am far more afraid of chimpanzees like i have a really healthy respectful fear of them now that i'm like yeah yeah, I'm never getting near a chimpanzee. Like, I don't even care if it's a little cute one. I am not, I'm not letting it hang on my shoulder. And I'm for that matter, I'm not even doing it with a monkey. Yeah. All right. Well, you do have my, my attention. So I'm going to try and see if I can sneak an episode of that in. Uh, you know, it is also kind of football season though. so I'm going to try and see if I can sneak an episode of that in.

You know, it is also kind of football season, though, so I'm not even that big of a football guy, but I love seeing a good storyline, and there was a few of those this weekend, too. Yeah, lifting and drinking is all we know, though, right? That's right. And quarterbacks eating dirt. Yeah, it's that time of year. I've just been waiting for, I mean, months now.

I've been deprived of football for months, so it's finally here. We had the Massanomics fantasy football draft. Oh, yeah. How did that go? Good. Good. Anyone really game in the system or doing some unusual picks? Coe Keefe got taken in the third round.

I sent Coe a screenshot of that and he said a little high unless you're gonna get points for special teams tackles um the other thing of note is there was a couple really funny team names that i actually wanted to mention here that people put together uh it's also so there's four divisions the way kevin broke it up it's uh cellar dwellers which is garage gym lifters oh okay this is like yeah like like this is your uh like divisional yeah yeah breakup there's the cellar dwellers which is the lifters that lifting garage or uh basement gyms, garage junkies, which is... It's not explanatory. And then the private club members only,

which is those of us that they have me in and the other ones that live in, lift in public gyms. But you've got orange glazers, no surprise there. Just let anyone in here. A couple other ones here. here this one i actually had to read this multiple times to make sure i wasn't glossing over this it's the crew york jorts instead of new york jets it's the crew york jorts and that is the best one like that one because i just like i just always read it as jets and i'm like

wait it's the crew york jorts which i love that one uh anything else of oh here's my second favorite one uh no ppr in the jungle so it's no points like that like it's a ppr league like points for reception so like so it's like no uh weight classes in the jungle no ppr in the jungle that's good that's good just another one of the benefits you know if you're thinking of joining the massonomics discord you too could next year potentially get in on the fantasy football league one other one that did make me laugh that you'll enjoy is someone one of the new york guys named their team the Aberdeen Central Golden Eagles. That actually was really good.

That was actually one of my favorite ones, too. The Aberdeen Central Golden Eagles. Oh, one last one that is actually pretty funny, too. Cody's was one day closer to MNF. So one day closer. Instead of like, you know, the old, just one day closer to Monday, it's like one day closer to Monday night football.

Yeah, those are good. I like, there's some thought into those, some deep cuts. Yeah. I, there's just something really funny to me. These other ones are all much better. Mine was, I just did the WNESD. So Western Northeast South Dakota pheasants. That's my classic one. I just, there's something really funny to me though about a guy that lives in New York having a team named the Everton Central

Golden Eagles because you can say that to like Chris Mark so many people and they'd be like I don't even know what words you're saying right now like yeah what does that mean? I did think that was particularly funny. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Someone did, Big Mofo took defense and a kicker as his one and two picks. Okay. Bold move. Big Keith, incidentally, he was at the very end of the snake draft, so he had the first pick.

But then, like, on his fourth and fifth rounds, he accidentally took two quarterbacks in a row like what those are the notable things a game of strategies yeah i took a vikings player as my first pick just because i that's also a bold move jefferson justin jefferson yeah i mean still bold considering who that is like who's gonna be getting him the ball though i just figure someone like he's just so good like it'd be like it's like i'll just figure out someone i mean just have the punter punt a ball to him every play like someone someone somewhere somehow has to be able to get the ball close enough to him that he's gonna do something i mean with the current state of the team like that is

just gonna be their offensive just like we're just playing 500 and the ball close enough to him that he's going to do something cool. I mean, with the current state of the team, that is just going to be their offensive. We're just playing 500, and we just throw it to him. Yeah, it's like literally playing 500. 500 on every play. Because, yeah, I have a feeling that the Packers, Lions, and Bears all could be quite decent this year. Yeah. Are you still watching Hard Knocks?

I think I'm an episode or is it over is the last i'm assuming the last one's tonight yeah okay oh yeah there's only three of them wasn't okay i am caught up then i just need to watch tonight's then yeah right isn't there only three episodes i think there's been four episodes is there okay i think tonight must be like the fifth and final possibly i don't know because it wasn't last week the last uh final possibly i don't know because it wasn't last week the last uh yeah episode five so yeah okay yeah i've actually knocked life i've actually been keeping up with it because i have found it uh entertaining hard knocks is good all right should we bring this one on in yeah Johnny all right make sure to like

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