Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 446: What's Going On at Kabuki Power?

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

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Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think. If you don't follow Massenomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Manomics. Welcome back everyone to the Masanomics podcast. The Masanomics podcast listened and viewed millions of times all over the world, recorded live from the corners of the Dakotas. My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy.

How's my volume this week? Tommy, I'm loud and clear. I think it's good. Yeah, I think so. All right. I actually had to turn you down on my headphones. So I forgot too much. I forgot that you were down lower. So is there too much snare? No, I think it's good now. Like I had to turn it down to back to where you used to be because I guess. So there so there's

There's the appropriate amount of snare in your headphones. The snare is quite nice right now. Okay Great snare this week on the mass dynamics podcast this week. We've got a whole It's actually just to be just to be forthcoming It has been and actually it's also be forthcoming. Hit that one for me Tanner, cause I am. No, I'm not with the sickness baby. Hit the button for me, dammit. That's right, it's a new month, which means I have a new sickness.

So just keep it, keep it rolling. Gonna see if I can, gonna see if I can catch every disease there is before the end of the year here. Yeah, so how long do you think you've been sick on and off for now? What's the record? This is month three. What's the streak? Never been this sick this long in my life.

I'm going on three months here. There is a confirmed case of pneumonia in my household. I don't believe I have pneumonia, but I definitely have some pneumonia related side effects going on, so I'm just fighting the good fight over here. You don't, so you don't, but do you not, is it safe to say you don't have pneumonia? I don't think I have. Do you not not have pneumonia?

I don't think I have pneumonia, I just think I have like a bad cold and I'm fighting something off, but you know, after like a week straight of someone with pneumonia coughing in your face multiple times a day all day every day I think you'll start to get something you know what they say best fights pneumonia what what best fights pneumonia I want to know ammonia yeah yeah I don't know have you tried that. Yeah.

I don't know if you tried it yet. No, I'll put it on the list. It's because of the names. All the names are so similar. Yeah. Now this week we do have several things to cover along with our various ailments. But first, I wanna tell everyone about Juggernaut AI. It's the training that we, me and Tommy both use

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Thank you, Texas Power Bars. Thanks, Texas Power Bars. We have an important announcement this week about the Lyft Hard Live Easy Classic 2025. We'll get to that here shortly, I believe. A very, very important announcement to cover there. gonna are gonna recap the mr. Olympia results as Mastinomics has done for the last eight or nine years Episode they're just waiting your source on it

For the our takes on the mr. Olympia recap And then first maybe we should talk about the drop that we have big big drop coming up October 24th. So the week that this episode comes out, it'll be that Thursday, right? That's correct. Thursday afternoon, October 24th. This is actually a very big drop for us. One of our biggest of the year.

If our biggest is Black Friday, this might be our second biggest actually. It's probably a tie for second biggest if it's not second biggest. Yeah, it's definitely up there in the Mount Rushmore of 2024 drops, I'll tell you that much. And I don't know if we're gonna reveal anything that we've got coming in this drop,

but Tommy, I don't even know if you remember what things are on this drop. I hardly remember, I know what's coming this last half of the year, this last couple months of the year, but what specifics were for this one? I have to go back and look I guess what I would allude to is there are lower body garments in this drop there may even be

something that's only available to Supporting members there may be a brand new item Available to supporting members there may be a brand new item that's crew exclusive I forgot about that that will not even be offered to the general public I think that that one might come in October even so Stay tuned for that. That one's pretty exciting then upper body garments and a Variety of upper body garments actually where it's like not just a t-shirt, there might be a t-shirt.

Maybe some seasonal type items. It's the best drop, the best drop ever. Some are saying it's the greatest drop of all time. So check it out, October 24th. Look out for a crew exclusive item. So if you're a supporting member, that's how you get in on it. The only way exclusive, as Big Scant says,

it's an exclusive item in there. That's right. And that's not just like a bad accent of saying exclusive, it's an exclusive item. Okay, so that's the 1024 drop. You'll see more, a lot more on that next week, but do be ready for that when it all comes out. All right, do we hit want to hit on next? I also had a couple more. We've got a mouth We've got multiple topics actually this week. Yeah, okay. We got a do we have any

Crew Falls updates any anything new to report there? It's been a while since we Yeah, so nothing really No big updates other than reminding everyone again the dates dates for Crew Falls, the date is that Friday and Saturday. I just want to check the calendar again to make sure I have that right. It would be December 7th. So the sixth and the seventh, the seventh is the Saturday. So that's the prime day. And looks like the gyms open that we're going to be training at.

It is. Yes, I did see that. I believe Colton, Big Colton's member there, I believe. I think Colton big Colton's member there I believe I think crew member big Colton and how do you say the name of the gym? Loves campy Otis, okay, and we still don't have more details yet on the gym ownership structure We know people have been wanting to know if it's LLC or a corporation, you know we'll do some research with the state records I had the bottom of that find out what type of entity it is also and then Also like the ownership structure, you know, there was some thought of is it possibly a franchise model or What just what the specifics are I would feel much more comfortable lifting there once I knew that yeah

That's usually my my homework on a gym. I want to train and as I find out that stuff first Any equipment I got another legit on paper So we will have more updates on the ownership structure and hopefully when we do a Gym tour video there we can really get to bottom of some of that stuff. That's right, that's right. We'll put him on the spot corner. Do you know who, when I say the name Mason Ramsey,

does that mean anything to you, Tanner? You're thinking of David Ramsey. Well, now I am because you said that name, but no, I was not thinking of that name initially you're thinking of Masonomics Mason amato that's also I think I'm thinking remember now but not what I was thinking of at the moment No, it sounds familiar, but I don't know if I say tell me only in Walmart kid. Does that mean anything to you? No, I don't know. I remember Mason Ramsey the viral sensation what yodeling Walmart kid for about 10 years ago. No, I don't recall it. I think maybe Maybe I love the video who you'd remember. It's just so meme worthy at the time

He was just like this little kid in like a you know white shirt and a cowboy hat with a bow tie on Yodeling and like the middle of a Walmart aisle and he went to the viral I didn't see that. He will be playing in Sioux Falls Thursday December 5th right before crew falls It's kind of like a kickoff to get everyone ready. So playing what Singing at a bar so anyone needs a reason to come early. That might be the reason right there So is this person about 20 now, I think so. Yeah, he's definitely an adult now. He's not a child anymore.

Okay. Does he yodel then? Yeah, Anthony put like the original, like his two memes right there. He's 17. Okay, 17. All right. So he's not actually even an adult. Not quite.

I wonder if he yodels. I don't know. He actually does. Not actually even an adult. Not quite, I guess. I wonder if he yodels. I don't know, he actually does. So he's kind of like the Hawk to a girl of a decade ago. More wholesome Hawk to a girl. I mean, the Hawk to a girl pops up on things that you see right all the time, like still. The number of memes I see of people ironically

taking it seriously, it'll be like a group of you know, people ironically taking it seriously You know, it'll be like a group of guys all watching a TV and it's like me and the guys getting ready to watch the hawk to A podcast which is so funny, you know just things like that And then of course Ryan and some other people are always sending me dumb hawk to a Like girl memes not of like just putting the soundbite but like just the greater world of the hawk to a universe with podcasts Not just that same one thing. No, no, like it's the greater world of the hock to a universe with podcasts, not just that same one thing. No, no, like it's become a world of its own. So right. Not just that same one five second song.

Not just that. She's really making the most of it. Dude, she is I can't falter one bit of it. I mean, she has to have at least I haven't dug into I mean, she has to have at least I haven't dug into it, but she has to have at least some entertainability. God, I would hope if she's making it go this long, you know, she must have a certain level of showmanship or stage presence or something. Otherwise, otherwise she's really, really taking advantage of it to the max.

She's, she's got to almost be up there on the Mount Rushmore of of those people like you talk about the Walmart kid here, whatever his name Mason Ramsey, but like She probably who did it bet like what who who took advantage of it more than her in just one tiny little clip Yeah. Yeah, that actually is a good point It was just a it was a five second sound bite in an interview too. Like the Walmart Yodeling kid at least had the novelty of, oh, this kid is singing. Oh, he's singing.

It's so cute. He's in a Walmart. Right. And she's like one of the most famous people. I mean, is that even what you would say? She's one of the most famous people in the country? Actually, this would be a good test. If you're under the age of 30

and you don't know who the Hakck to a girl is, I'm assuming it's because you don't actually use social media. Like you're out of that world entirely. Right. You know, that's like the litmus test for have you used social media in the last six months? Like how many establishments could that girl walk into and people not know who it not everyone like know who it is?

Wow. Actually, that's a good point too. Yeah's definitely she's definitely known just living the life and I was and then to follow this up I saw a billboard the other day as all good information is shared on billboards as we know yeah saying Hinder was in town in December and I also thought that that was during, during crew falls weekend, but it turns out it is not during crew falls weekend. It is December 20th. So the lips of an angel.

Exactly. Yes. The opener of the Brown County fair of 2024. Right. That was this year. Wasn't it? What was Hinder? I think they were, were they here this year?

I think so. What was that this year? Because it was the Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray were here this year, wasn't it? What was Hinder? I think they were, were they here this year? I think so. What was that this year? Because it was the Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray were here this year. Maybe Hinder was last year then. Yeah. Maybe. It's hard to keep all those impressive acts.

They all blend together to me. Yeah, I've got a little sack segment. Do you wanna see what I've got, what I'm packing here? Please do. You actually have these two. Curious if you've tried it at all, but I'll show it to the camera. What's in the sack. This came from our trip to the south because when we were from the

south grips back, I've been sitting on those for a couple of weeks. Finally, I can know what I've got is the. And oh, yeah, I forgot about those. I, I got those upstairs on my counter, too Have you tried these ever so I started with the lightest one and I thought this is what one's the lightest one? Is it the orange one I believe maybe that's what it is and I thought this is way too easy This doesn't do anything and then you went to go up to the harder ones, they definitely do get tougher. Oh my God, this dark blue one. I can barely do it. Yes. Yes. So that's what I was like, Oh yeah, no, I'm not good at this. It's just the, the easy ones are easy. It kind of, uh, makes me feel like I have arthritis in my hand or something.

It feels weird. I kind of, it doesn't necessarily feel like I'm training a month training something. It feels like Like a weird uncomfortable feeling if you do very many of them I just introduced some pain that I didn't that I didn't have it's like a weird I don't know if it's like have you like just put them on like one time is not well I just did the orange one the easy ones for apps and then I was kind of in a hurry So I did the other one once I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a lot harder it also like My sometimes my knuckles will want to cave like my you know, like I can spread it up

You should probably tell what we're actually talking about. We're going That's true. It's the hand X bands and these recur to see if Donnie Thompson It's like a rubber band for people that don't know what it is It's like a rubber band and on the inside Diameter of the rubber band there's holes for your fingers to go in And then you can spread your hands out and it provides resistance against your hands that way instead of always a squeeze. It's uh, Yeah, because you're usually Training your grip this way This is yeah, let's see. It was train

inverted inverted So Donnie gave us a pack of like every level of those things when we were when we were down there They were inverted like this Yeah, my kids messed around with them for a while. My kids Yeah, this thing resembles a rubber band. We must play with it. They're great kids toys Yeah, Donnie gave us these from his They're great kids toys

Yeah, Donnie gave us these from his Pulled these out behind his secret bar stash area of things and all types of stuff stashed in there Yeah, so that's pretty cute pretty cute. So you haven't really used it much though. I have not a ton much either I can't speak to the effectiveness of the hand extreme band, but speaking of grip training. We did just have of the hand extreme band. But speaking of grip training, we did just have this last YouTube video was our grip, extreme grip gauntlet training session with Jujie Mufu. That was a fun video.

We were put through the paces. Yeah, so if you haven't checked that out, make sure you do. It was just a diverse, you know, Tommy did well on some, I did well on on some Jujie did well on some it was kind of a diverse spread across the grip gauntlet. Oh, I gotta say along the same line. So I, I wasn't aware of what that device was until we went there. Was it the dynameter for measuring your hands? Yeah, I was thinking I might buy one of those for the gym. I think so. That cool. And also there's the, I didn't realize this, there's the really cheap, I'm pretty sure it's the same thing, the really cheap, like plasticky digital ones that people have.

And I see these in a lot of videos or a lot of reels right now. But the one Jujie had, I believe is more of a medical grade device that I think that like PTs and stuff like that use. When I was trying to read though on it, I think it might, the one thing I was reading said, depending on the angle of your hand and some things,

it can change the reading a little bit. I'm not sure how true that actually is. But I have seen some, actually, it was shortly after that video came out, my wife sent me a clip of someone giving the US gymnastics team, men and women's's the dynameter and having them squeeze it. And again, it was one of those cheap plastic e digital crappy ones. So, maybe it's not super accurate, but I think all of the women, I think the highest woman's rating

was like one 10. Most of them were under a hundred and the highest men's rating was the guy who was like the pommel horse star was it like Stephen something and I think his was 120 or 130 so based off of those metrics we are just smoking all the gymnastics team in grip strength not surprised actually I thought you're gonna say they were really that they were like 200. No, I actually was curious. I thought, oh, like if someone has it, it could be these guys. But right. At least for that crappy one, they had no one had like a. Yeah. And who knows how accurate they it is to.

Yeah. And then I actually saw one. They did the same thing with some UFC guys. And again, a lot of these guys aren't taking it very seriously. They just do it and go right. Squeeze it. And, you know, like we're like really amping ourselves up for this one. Like bearing down as hard as possible. Yeah. But the UFC, when I watched, I don't know, I think there was of

like the 10 guys or so, I think there was one guy that was higher than one 50. Most of them were somewhere between like one 10 and one 30 even. Yeah. But I don't know, I guess I don't know if you're not lifting weights, like what do you work like an extreme grip? You know, I mean, obviously they're doing all kinds of crazy stuff, but yeah,

I still at the end of the day, don't think of myself as having a good grip ever. Like I never have. And, you know, I had a 150 on that, which I'm just not sure. Right. I. Well, maybe that's what it is. And I'm just really bad at expressing that 150 on the things like maybe that's what it is. I'm not sure. Like, maybe that's what it is, and I'm just really bad at expressing that 150 on the other things. Like, maybe that's what it is. I'm not sure.

That could be. So watch the video, though. Yes, get to watching. Did you, I mean, I don't know how much we have to add to the conversation, but did you see the, at all the Kabuki, the additional. Actually did, I was, okay, I was reading the conversation, but did you see the, at all the Kabuki, the additional- Actually did, I was-

Okay, I was reading the notes because I was very interested in this. I wanted to listen to the podcast, but I haven't had time yet. I want you to listen to it though, didn't you? Yeah. I want you to break down the situation. Did you see my Cliff Notes on it?

Yeah, you were giving some great Cliff Notes and then some Cliff Cliff Notes and some abridged Cliff Notes, which I enjoyed all those But I want you to break down the whole situation as you recall it Okay So rich galgano and maybe maybe back it up then just show for people that mate because there's people that there's a good chance There's some people listening that don't know kabuki strength or kabu. What do they go by now or formerly? It's kabuki power

Okay, but anyways the company that Chris Duffin There's a lot of strength. Yes started that produced, you know the the transformer bar the PR deadlift bar the Cadillac bar the shoulder rock the kabuki power bar. Is that what they call it? What they call it? Yeah They're open trap bar a lot of a lot of nice bunch of specialty bars bars. Jim has most of them all yeah, and things we've like We've had Chris on the podcast twice at least yes, and it seems like the company's had some Ranging from just insane lead times

To like changing prices to taking the website down and not taking orders and rumors of them like not making any money. There's just like always been this rocky reputation I think maybe with the company since they started. For sure. And then it kind of like everyone knew there was like this change in ownership

and a bunch of changes going on over the last couple months that became public so rich Galgano I Think it's maybe how you say the guy's last name, but big rich Was on big Jake supporting member big Jake shot out garage gym radio podcast he had a big rich on there Just this week or I think it came out like last night or today even. And I listened to it. It's maybe about an hour long. It's pretty interesting. Check it out if you get a chance.

But he told his side of the story. So this is obviously his side of the story. And I did make the comment that, well, there's always two sides of the story. Like no doubt, no matter what, no matter how honest someone seems like they're being, or no matter how straight up honest someone is, there's still just two sides of the story and people can interpret the same things differently. Yes, like most people, and I'm not, whether he's right or wrong or not, but most people when they're recounting a story,

tend to tell it more favorably, paint themselves more favorably. It is just naturally the case. But I would say it seemed like he was He told gave a lot of information and at no point in time Did I feel like he was just lying about anything like that's not what he comes off as as all at all I would say yeah, um alright so first question bring me up to speed here though, so he's current owner right now Yeah, Chris stuff owns a whole bunch of other companies. Okay. Okay.

So that was, so is he the sole owner of the company right now? Oh, I don't know. It's probably the owner of the company is probably another company. I would assume that's also owned by other companies. And so because he owns like 15 different businesses, like ranging from what type of businesses we're talking here. First thing that he did was wire, like electrical wire. Oh, the wire.

A company that he made that, yes. A company that he made, brought up, and then sold for half a billion dollars, and is still like, I think, the president of the board or something like that of that company. So that would be one investment firm, like all the other companies you would own when you own a lot of companies too. Not fitness stuff at all?

No, no, no, no. I would say no fitness background whatsoever. Okay, I didn't know if he had like this whole portfolio of fitness companies that he was like, oh this rolls right in. No, all right. I think none. It's all others. Do you know how he even got involved with these guys then? Yes, yes. What was the story? Because, and there again again you can listen to the podcast and really get the first-hand take but it was a Mutual I can't remember what he said it was a mutual contact

that both Kabuki and rich were using I don't know if it was a third party I can't remember what the what don't know if it was a third party, I can't remember what kind of third party it was, but they were working with both of them, and this third party knew that Rich invests in a lot of companies, and he knew Kabuki was looking for an investor,

and he kinda, someone paired him up and said, hey, are you interested in investing with, here's each other's contact info. So it was kind of like a happenstance that they just knew a mutual person that you have money for each other and yeah okay okay yeah that's all right so that's where this comes and the previous owners though Chris and Rudy cad lob they are not low correct they're both out yes So what happened was they, Kabuki needed money in what seemed like maybe a bad way. They needed money for operating because they were not making money and

Rich looked at this as an opportunity because he said, Hey, they need money. I think we got a money. Their problem is not having inventory and subsequently not being able to service the customer appropriately because of those two things. And then if we get you a decent working capital situation where you can actually have inventory, it's going to kind of solve those things, which will then allow the company to be profitable. So if I were you sitting there going, oh, yeah, preach rich. Now you're speaking my language.

Well, I actually I did say the first 20 minutes of the podcast were very similar to what my day job is like, because it was talking about large commercial loan customers defaulting. And that's what I work. I really talked about that though, in the beginning, because that's what Kabuki happened to Kabuki Power. Oh, they defaulted on some loans? Well, to Rich, a $2 million.

Yeah, Rich, so that was the form of Rich's investment was he gave them a $2 million line of credit. And the collateral was the company, the intellectual property, the equipment, everything. And then they used all $2 million, didn't pay Rich back. the company the intellectual property the equipment the everything okay and then they used all two million dollars didn't pay rich back didn't satisfy any of the other loan covenants because I mean Rich isn't a bank I suppose but he's operating in the same you know he had security agreements and collateral

secured just like a bank would and since they defaulted then he got to take everything and that's why that is like the first 20 minutes of the podcast and that's the best part is hearing that story and how that went down and then once Rich and his family or his group took over they got rid of Rudy right away who was the former CEO And then they hired Chris right away to be the CEO, you know, as an employee then basically. And that didn't work out. They were continuing to lose money.

They weren't happy with the partnership, I guess, between him being hired as the CEO and what he was delivering. So then they fired him. And then that's when they moved to the company of South Carolina. And then he goes in to talk about their plans going forward. And that's where I become extremely uninterested where I'm not my, my personal cliff notes is what they're doing going forward is they're going to

make a bunch of stuff that will no longer make them a company that people like us that are really into strength training and strength training equipment are interested in. Okay, so they're gonna make, they could be profitable, they could make way more money than they have before, but it's gonna be stuff that like, it's not gonna be cool specialty bars, and it's gonna be like I

Don't know I I'm just casting opinions on it at that point I just say any examples of products at that like the direction they're going or was that just yeah it was like we're gonna make an aluminum shoulder rock and market it to golfers and volleyball players and Aluminum baseball players. Yeah, cause like then you take it out on the golf course with you and it really helps your swing. And everyone that has a home gym also golfs. And he even made the comment himself,

he's like, I wasn't an expert in wire. I was never an electrician, but I made of half a billion dollar wire company. So I don't need to be an expert in fitness. But then he goes on to talk about this stuff and I'm like, yeah, I can obviously tell you're not an expert in the equipment space and it's shining through. And the things you're talking about, I'm like, they could, I'm not saying they wouldn't work. It just becomes uninteresting to the people that like. Just a different audience, yeah.

And that is, like yeah, it could be, like I mean, yeah, there's people that make tons of money, just go onto Amazon and look at some of the top fitness products and be like, there's never in a million years I'd buy any of this stuff, but it's clearly flying off the shelves. Right, but a bunch of people are, right? Yeah. Right. Yeah, I mean like, how many shakeweights

does a guy really need, am I right? Right. Right. Okay, so you think they're going a little really need? Am I right? Right. Right. Okay, so you think they're going a little more general fitness audience with the items away from the hardcore power lifting. Yeah, for sure. Which I mean, from a profitability standpoint,

I can understand that. Like, I mean, how much money, how much profit are they really making selling that deadlift bar? You know, like. Well, they're making no profit. That was the problem They're losing like to they're losing they were losing like two hundred thousand dollars a month I just be curious though even just on a pridum basis like the deadlift bar

Do they lose a hundred dollars for every one of those deadlift bars? They sell yeah They're certainly losing every one they sold they were losing money. Yeah, they were not selling enough of anything to cover the overhead And he did even make the comment that they weren't stealing from the company or like, he's like, they weren't, they weren't doing anything illegal or anything. He's like, they were actually right. Right. Like he talked about numbers of bars, which is interesting too, that they were selling maybe, take the, maybe it was the deadlift bar, they are selling 40 or 60 of them a month.

Right. And he's like, we need to be selling 400 of them a month. Right. You know, in order for it to be a profitable business. And he's like, I don't know if the market's there or not. And then he gets into this thing, like I get the feeling they're not

going to make the bars anymore, basically any of them. So I don't know if he's going to sell off the bar portion of it. You know, he kind of alluded to they're going to do something different with that. So I don't know if, say, like a Rogue Fitness would do what they did with Ghost, where they buy it. And they'd say, OK, now we have the Kabuki deadlift bar that you can buy from us because our deadlift bar

wasn't that cool ever to begin with, so now you can buy the Kabuki one from us too. We have the one that no one wants. Or maybe they just, yeah, so I don't know if that's what's gonna happen, but it's just a possible thought in my head of something that could happen and it wouldn't have to be rogue. Okay, now remind me though, was,

cause I know we talked to Chris, I don't know if this is in person or on the podcast, but cause Rogue does sell Kabuki products, right? The transformer bar, so they already have the connection there, yeah. Okay, but were they, okay so they weren't helping out with the manufacturing though, it was purely just reselling. I'm not sure about that.

Okay. I don't know I couldn't cuz I remember was having the conversation of like oh, but you'd probably make more money if we bought it from you And he's like, yeah, but I don't remember right more. I don't remember negative dollars here again in this instance, but Yeah interesting, okay So that was that that's up to speed I know everything about the situation now I Mean, not really you would want to listen to that to really there is some it that like I said a spin particular the first

20 minutes of that were really good and You know, he talks about him. He gets into a lot of specifics and he's not really Throw in that much shade. I don't like. You know, it's kind of feels like he's explaining his facts. Again, they're probably tinted through his color glasses, I would say a little bit, but it didn't really feel too much like that. Like he wasn't just like, it wasn't like, okay, good, my opportunity to just bury everyone in the dirt that's not me and, you know, that opposed my way of thinking. Okay, so thinking of just, all right, trying to think of,

is there any other business currently that has the kabuki business model of high-end specialty bars? Also made in America. Made in America only. That's essentially the only product they sell, right? in America only. That's essentially the only product they sell, right? Um, the shoulder rock, you know, and again, it's kind of a specialty bar.

Boomstick or not. They did for a while during like the COVID thing, but I think they just stopped doing that. Yeah. So, so it really is just for the most part for saying kind of a overall blanket. It is just specialty bars they're selling and high end specialty bars. Like there is no other manufacturer that does just that though, is there? There's the Mars bar, but I don't even know like when you buy the Mars bar, you buy it from like the strength code or-

But you buy that, we know it's, I think it's Solid Bar Fitness and they're a white label manufacturer. They're like, they're making thousands of bars for tons of companies. So again, they're not a specialty one thing. That's the single product they make off of their other, probably 10,000 bars or more they're pumping out a month. Yeah. So is that it then?

I mean, Elite FTS doesn't do that. Maybe there's a reason that that business model doesn't work. Maybe that actually business model doesn't work of, you can't survive being just a high-end special because like American barbell isn't just that either Like they make it tons of our bells, you know, and then they make and just gym equipment and Jimmy equipment Yeah, they got dumbbells I think they even got they got like deadlift platforms and racks and attachments like elite FTS have safety squat bars But they also have well every other possible by every moment, you know people They don't make anything either like you was making it also where and we have to make the bar either, you know, right?

It's so again like That might just prove like that business model is nearly impossible to make work of just selling Probably the lowest of low bar of low volume bars, right? Yep. Yes, yes. I mean, the transformer bar is 800 bucks. Like, you would think that the LEED FTS bar, which is the expensive one in that case, and in a competitor to that product, is less than half price.

I mean, they gotta outsell them like 10 to one on that, don't they? I'm sure that they do. Or more. I mean, this guy did mention that too, that he's like, the prices are just too high. Like they have to be, they have to come down. But that's the crazy part is that the price are too high and they're still not making money though.

I've used this before, but it is the, it's the, it's the Michael Scott, uh, paper business is like, our prices are the only thing keeping you in business. And he's like, your prices are what's putting you out of business Yeah, that is interesting though it's I mean he also said that They would do the pre-orders. I mean we actually had this conversation about something else today They were due pre-orders because it's the only way that they had funds to be able to fulfill an order as they needed the money first and then they're kind of robbing robbing Peter to pay Paul if you will and then it wasn't just that it was you do the pre-order and then wait like

six plus months yes and that right right or more yes huh well hopefully they figure out something there without totally annihilating the company because they did make good products. You know? I went through a few training cycles of just using the Kabuki trap bar and I loved that trap bar. I thought it was so awesome.

And I used the transformer bar for a while too. I liked that a lot. And I think I've been on record on this podcast as saying the, what the hell is it? Why can't I find it on here? Just their regular Power Bar was one of my, when that first came out, I thought that early on that was so good.

Does that bar not even exist anymore? It's not on their website. Maybe it doesn't. It might not, I'm not sure. It's really interesting when you go to Barbells, that is not an option. They have the PR Deadlift Bar. That's the only just straight.

And then you go to value products, and then in value products they have, no, they still don't have it. Yeah, and it's a new website because, you know, the prior ownership had also taken out a Shopify loan. What? Yeah, a loan through Shopify, so. I didn't know that that seems crazy that they that company would even allow that Yeah, I don't know because like stripe and people like that always offer us. Oh, oh, oh

You're they're saying to like their payment system, right? That's why I assume Yeah, like like they couldn't pay to have a website. I'm like the website no no no no no like they off They offered them that working capital loan actually like yeah, right right we get those offers all the time You know through like PayPal or yeah? Stripe and stuff they're always like trying to get like here's a $20,000 What you know loan for what you know you pre you're already qualified because they just look at how much payment you're processing And then they're like okay. Yeah, let's get these guys to pay us some interest, too

But they like were in an unsecured position and part of all that they have to take away is the rights to your URL so So then that's Yes, that's part of why the name has changed and the website is different What is the Shopify website again in case anyone's wondering so now? Yeah, okay? But can we keep our so it was a different URL before is actually yeah, I was a different URL even interesting So I guess shop if I can hold that hostage when you don't pay them back

Okay So let's not do that. A lot of notes on what not to do here. Oh, well, I do hope the best for him though. Because like I said, they did some good products. We've, you know, outside of some long wait times and just some things like that. Once you get the product. I think everyone's typically pretty happy with it. Yeah, I always liked Chris's train. You know, he came up he was certainly innovating things

I think was to be a strong suit in that business model was like innovating some cool new stuff. Yeah Okay, what about a little Supporting our supporting members. Yeah this week Okay, big Ryan Bridenthal competed in the first ever lift hard, live easy classic. He actually went to hunt, went ahead and got himself married. So congrats on the funeral. Big Ryan.

Uh, then big Cody and big Samantha, both crew members competed at the 2024 lift hard, live easy classic strongman edition, they've got married to each other So I think that's a strong case of you know, we crew Marion crew I think really crazy kind of set that up met for the first time in in Aberdeen and then they're married three months late They're already married. That's how that's the power of the crew is actually is this the time to say that we're starting a dating online dating service Yes Most interested in what we'll name it Is actually is this the time to say that we're starting a dating online dating service for yes I'm most interested in what we'll name it

farmers only What are the most popular is like match dot com like it'd be like find your spotter calm, you know, something like yeah What it's like what are the pot yeah. What are the popular, is it like match.com? I think all of those are owned by- Or it's just Tinder. Well, Match, Tinder, was it Bumble? Is that the gay one? There's just a lot of them.

I believe Match, whoever that is, I think they have a monopoly. I think they own the entire industry and all that. And they just have different names for different things. I think so. You know, like there's different things depending on what you're into. But then I've also heard that, you know,

but like maybe they're also working the algorithm so you never really find anyone. So you stay a customer for everyone. Oh. Which isn't, that's not a crazy conspiracy at all. Like that is exactly how this stuff works is we're running a service. We need to get every penny we can out of the service.

So if it means making sure you're not happy totally to write in here, I could see that being it. Um, yeah, that makes sense. Okay. But congrats on the funeral. You too. Then big Kurt and big Dr. Hogan competed together at Ohio State's strongest man. Big Kurt got first and Hogan got fourth and they got a crew picture together It's a great job. Very nice, Ohio East Coast, Ohio guys good job big mo fo is The 32nd member welcomed into the Masonics Hall of Fame

Well, congratulations big mo fo on making it to the Hall of Fame 32nd member to make it Congratulations big mofo on making it to the Hall of Fame 32nd member to make it Big scants competed on their strongman when there's 50 are we gonna do like an American flag with the 50 states to commemorate all? Oh, I could be yeah That's a good idea That's a they might have to do that and then big scants was that strongman Corp Canadian Nationals got third place in Would scants be sub masters or masters? Most masters yeah So congrats, I think he qualified for strongman Corp

Whatever the next whatever the next level is he was talking about oh He's listening about so probably like Provincials or something like that OSG Masters is what he could compete at next yeah But there's probably like a province level then there's some other like geographic term We don't use and yeah, and stuff ways that we don't subdivide regions of the country subdivide regions of the country. Congratulations to all supporting members. Thank you. You can become a supporting member too. This leads into a, another bullet point we had that we did send out our crew gift.

It has landed, uh, for many people, for most people, I don't know, the mail is a word, weird thing. We sent out 500 letters all on the same day to all different corners of the globe. And some people that live right down the street, get them right away. You know, some don't. Some that live in Iowa haven't received theirs yet, but people all over other parts of the world get them and they just show up at weird random times. So, but all 500 letters went out and I don't think it's spoiling a surprise. And at this point it was, uh, the gold massonomics card, personalized card with everyone's name and number on it.

Along with the South Dakota lottery scratch ticket. Everyone got a South Dakota lottery scratch ticket. No major big winners yet What you'd think with 500 going out there'd be some decent winners, but I don't know I really thought there was gonna be at least like one Fifty dollar or a hundred dollar winner is the biggest we've seen ten or twenty is all is that I think like ten yeah out of 500 it seems it seems Abnormally low like I'm curious

I'm curious what the actual odds on these lottery cards are here. Well, it does tell you on the back that it does I know there's like one in four is a winner, but there's so many of them are just like one dollar winners Yeah, and then it does tell you what the odds are of the grand prize and I think it was like one in ten thousand But we bought five hundred of them, so I'm like We can we do some mean median mode on that even five hundred divided by just five percent Yeah, five percent yeah, so you had a five so there's a five percent chance that we had a thousand dollar winner in

The ones that we so you are saying there is a chance. Yeah. Yeah, that's still not a great chance Okay, you're talking about the grand prize winner like ten thousand, right? But I'm like a hundred dollars the hundred bucks we have to have I mean it has to be like one in a couple hundred You would think right? Maybe it's only like one in a thousand though. Maybe, yeah, I suppose if it's one in a couple hundred. I mean, just the odds are you can't give away, these things cost a dollar a piece.

If it's one in a hundred, you've actually just not made any money there. You've lost money. Right, right, yes. Yeah, maybe it is one in 500 is at best, or it's one in a thousand. Well, yeah, because there's, assuming there's a grand prize that's a thousand dollars, that wipes out 10% of the cards you sell right there. Yeah. You know, and then if there's assuming there's a grand prize that's a thousand dollars that wipes out ten percent of the cards you sell

Right there, you know and then if there's ten hundred dollar winners that right wipes out another ten percent of the revenue and then Every fourth one is a dollar winner. So that wipes out another twenty five percent of the revenue So you get to the point where I bet there's only like how are these probably gonna have any money? That's out of ten thousand. There's really probably only I bet I bet there's like one in one in One-to-two thousand is a hundred dollar winner. Yeah, that would make I bet it can't be any more than that Dang, we'll just have to buy more next time Well, as long as we get more supporting members, we will get more.

Big MoFo already got his Hall of Fame Cup. I mailed that out to him. That's how quick the Hall of Fame committee works around here. One note I did notice from the cards, because we do have to do a thing where they're all they're all numbered by your, your entry by when you joined. So people take a lot of pride in knowing what number they are in the in the crew. And one thing of interest, I think it was big mostly squat mats was his numbered like 500 or like it was some really weird number, wasn't it? Well, it was in like the three or four hundreds or two hundreds. Oh, was that correct?

No, well, because he let his membership cancel. Okay. That's what I was wondering. Why, why you moved down a lot. Yeah. So you don't, that's why you, that's a great lesson in why why you move down in lot? Yeah, so you know that's why you that's a great lesson And why you don't let your membership cancel? Yeah, several people in the top 50 moved up like 20 spots didn't they yes, yes

Yeah, and Scott Dodds was still number one and Some people even picked up on this they were Lottery ticket matching the lottery tickets the serial number on the lottery ticket, matched it matched your crew number even. And that wasn't just a clever little thing that was actually part of the system of stuffing to make it almost impossible for it to get off because on each one you had that we stuffed, you had to match up the crew number and the lottery

number. So if you got to off all of a sudden you're wrong, you knew you put like two in a package or forgot to put one in there because things would start to not line up. Big Mathias said I have two memberships. Do I get two numbers? See, I feel like we do like we try to not do that, but I think some people might have got that on accident Right. Yeah Yeah Some people also think they have two memberships and don't I'm not saying that's the case here, but I've had seen that and they're like yeah

This is that other one canceled like and some people don't they don't have any memberships and do Yeah Like Matthias cash for example, let me look here We'll just actually check while we're while we're going here We'll just answer individual questions on the podcast question and answer session. It is open I do think he does have to So now we try to combine those but we don't have them those all combined but he actually does have people. So now we try to combine those, but we don't have them. Those all combined, but he actually does have people

that realize how manually in labor intensive this entire process is. Yeah. Looking back, could we've done a little different? Yeah, but we've come too far. It would require ripping the whole system apart. We can't do that now. So you can't read it. We've gotten way too far. So do become a supporting member so you can get on the next when we do a few of these a year You know it's not always this this is only the second time we've done the card thing This time around with the cards we sent out like at least 300 more than the first time so

Stuffing 500 envelopes is a bit of a process, but hopefully next time we do it. There's a thousand That'd be a great problem to have I hope so Yeah, and you can see you can become a supporting member by heading over to massonomics.com slash join. Also head over to buildfastformula.com slash buy their supplements. You can click shop formulas and check out everything they got. They got the vaso blitz the full blitz the 80 20 protein The blitz 3d drink hack glyco hack personal favorites of mine

Right now I've actually been doing the vanilla ice cream 80 20 so a great switch up from the chocolate also When I do take a pre-workout before a lift I go with I actually do go with the one scoop of basal blitz and the one scoop of full blitz would be the formula I would use find the formula that works best for you at buildfastformula.com use discount code massonomics it'll save you on every single order that you do there thanks buildfast and let's see I'm gonna also do Another ad here. I'm going to let you know that this episode is brought to you by our great friends over at the strength co They have plates Barbells collars deadlift jacks deadlift platforms everything. It's all built to last

Made in America from the strength Co They also have their turkey pole coming up actually wanted to mention Their turkey pole a dates because you can this is an in-person event in California The turkey pole is but you can also can you can also get involved online through it Let me see if I can find the turkey. Okay, turkey poll registration, it's $35. You go to their shop, click under the apparel, and then it'll be the first thing in the apparel part of it.

You go to turkey poll registration, 35 bucks, so you get a t-shirt, and then you get to get in on the turkey poll. I think you do it by submitting your deadlift over Instagram and using hashtag turkey poll. And that's that's the only way you all you have to do to enter and you get entered to win prizes like plates and stuff like that. So get in on the online turkey poll in the month of November through the strength

go check it out at the strength.co Tommy I read two ads so you know we did actually an ad right now. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Good job big ad guy over here That I needed that mid mid podcast nose blowing break Mmm. Did you clear the bats out of the bell cave? I did for now. It's only a matter of time till they're back though Yes Should we do the big announcement about the lift hardly busy classic. Oh, yeah, let's do that. All right It's canceled. Sorry guys

We have a good announcement. We've had a little trouble paying the bills So the meets the first thing to go here. We need rich old big rich to bail us out cash investment Yeah Anyone interested in giving up throwing us a couple mill Big rich to bail us for a cash investment Yeah Anyone interested in giving up throwing us a couple mill That is what it takes to run this successfully. What do you think we would do with two a two million dollar line of credit? like This is what you would have I guess the way we would just have to go all in on what we're doing we would actually have to quit our jobs and go a hundred percent in on the YouTube game and

Like probably do I don't know three videos a week then yeah, and we probably have to make all podcasts in person podcasts We probably just have to be on the road for six straight months And then I don't know We probably have to be spending ten grand a month on ads and also beef up our apparel. So there's 100 items. And I guess that's how you blow through 2 million in six months. I didn't even know if we could do it then because the problem is we're a little too, you know, we've been a little too historically profitable. We'd really have to make sure those expenses are actually not turning a profit.

Yeah, because all those things that I just said wouldn't in theory generate more money. So we actually wouldn't be losing money. That would be the problem. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We'd have to think bigger here then. I would wonder about like fancy,

massonomics cars. That's what I was just gonna say is you start looking at cars now, but that's right. With massonomics wraps. I'm trying to at least think of something that's an actual real business expense. So not just a car. See, that's your problem. You're trying to think least think of something that's an actual real business expense. So not just a car. That's your problem

You're trying to think of real Business we just need to waste money. Yeah, if we just need to wait, I mean I can come with ways to waste money Okay, we're making a massonomics comp, but this is what it is. We're making we're buying Okay, two million bucks that doesn't even get you that crazy of a house in Sioux Falls We'll spend a million of it on a house in Sioux Falls, right? I'm a sad that it's just a massonomics Airbnb. No, and we'll do a real world challenge, like massonomics real world or Jersey Shore.

It'll be a mix of that. It'll be a reality show where we'll just have like 20 guys staying in this place for a month. What happens when you put 20 crew from all over the country with different interests, with all the exact same interests together in one house. They're like a month in. The same interests, the exact same interests, the exact same interest together in one house like a month the same interest the exact same interest the exact same

Demographics and all pretty much the same temperament together in one house There's no no drama to report yet. They just hang out and lift all day. This shows kind of lame It'd be that the other thing we could do though, we could really burn through it, is we could start hosting at this house, we could start hosting like life coaching events, where we bring people in. Oh yeah, semenars.

Yes, that's right. And, but again, I don't know, it might make money. That might be the problem. Well, we would charge so much for those. Right, okay, yeah. You know, you have to, when you're a life coach, you have to charge thousands of dollars per head at something like that.

And you get, I mean, and the costs are nothing because you don't give them anything. All you do is you let them stay in a, you go on a, you let them pay to go on a trip with you. And then you- The cost of your time though, and can you really put a price on your time, you know? No, that's invaluable. I mean, I could, if someone wants to pay me like $10,000

to go on a vacation with these people. And then all you do is you talk to them about like motivational life shit, about stuff that's actually completely unrelatable to them because you talk about things that you can do because you don't have a real normal job. And all these people have real normal jobs. You know how like you're divorced and you got to like just do everything you can to

make just a scrape child payments and get by and like that like a one hour of free time you have a couple of times a week you go to the gym. Well, now you need to find like 30 hours of free time because we got a lot of shit you have to do for self-improvement here. I do like the idea of a massonomics house. Spend a million bucks on a massonomics house. It'll just be a content house. We'll, we'll build a gym out, a building like a

Jugee gym. Actually that won't even people will come stay at this house. They won't even have to go to a gym because we'll build a Jugee compound gym at the house and then we'll just fly people in constantly. But again, that might be revenue generating. I don't know. That'd be the problem. Big

Anthony said you could pay your interns. That's laughable interns not employees Yes, I like I just want the intro of the Mastronomics real world house like Matt I can't be like this actual real world And we took 20 dudes that had nothing on there We took 20 dudes that lived loved to lift weights and bro out and we put them in a house What will they do

Guys sitting around and grilling and drinking a beer. Yeah, just like a party drinking and grilling. It's like oh Remember that time we all went to the Arnold. That was pretty sick Yeah, that would just if that'd be the show and I'd watch I Would watch what were we what was the what was the topic of discussion here some boat? Oh the announcement? Oh The lift hard live easy is canceled just psych it's not canceled that I've seen people were really going on that What is happening for the 2025 Lift Hard, Live Easy classic is the registration opening dates are set

for the crew members. You do have to be a crew member to get in on the early registration. It will not be open to the public until after the crew has their shot. The crew's gonna get a week of opening. So here's the dates write these down grab pen grab pencils grab paper markers crayons Pastels, whatever you pull over your car start taking. Yeah

Pastels are really like that was just really stupid. I always hated it. I'm like, why are we using this medium that like I've Like if you're not actually an artist, you don't really need to use oil pastels. I can say I basically like went to art school and we never did pastels, so. I'm like, people already invented things that work way better than this, like don't you, like. No, the closest I got was like colored pencils.

Like we didn't do. I think oil pastels are only used for art class Yeah, I I mean I don't know I mean obviously there's someone that uses them Students probably but I don't know anyone that Makes a living with pastels. No cat caveat to this is I don't know shit about art So I'm completely speaking out of my ass but that's just my take on oil pastels, way overrated. But for the announcement we did set the dates and the dates are, and here's how it's going to work. This is the date for registration we're talking.

Yeah for early registration for our supporting members, only supporting members get the early access and it's probably quite honestly they're going to fill up our supporting members, only supporting members get their early access and it's probably quite honestly, they're gonna fill up from supporting members and gym members, so if you're not one, you probably won't get to sign up. That's a very realistic thing. Just the rules, we don't make them. Yeah. That's how it is.

Someone else makes these rules. We do make them. It's out of our hands. I don't know who makes these rules, but it's out of us. They're just rules. We just follow them. We don't know where they come from. They're just, they were written in stone and we picked up the tablets

Don't ask us anymore about those tablets like we just found them and yes. Yep. We did not we definitely did not make them up They were definitely clearly that's the main takeaway. This is not We were told they were they were real things that are not made up by the two of us. So the strongman registration is going to open up early for the supporting members on Monday November 11th. That is when strongman registration will open up. There's only going to be the exact details of this will be to come Jake's working on that event wise and you know I don't even know if all the

Exact final details will be known for events. You'll probably have an idea at the time of registration, but Still long ass ways out so it might not all it doesn't really have to all be set in stone But what I can tell you is there's not going to be that many people that get to sign up for strongman It's only going to be that many people that get to sign up for strongman. It's only going to be Probably 20 or 25. It may be like An example of what it could look like is five classes of five in each class This year where it's a max of five in each class, too so Registration will only be open for each weight class for five and once five have signed up then it's closed for that weight class

You know, you won't be able to register there. So it's probably gonna be something like that that opens up on November 11th That'll go for one week and then on November 18th That's when the powerlifting registration opens one week after that So it'll kind of give the crew, supporting members and gym members, gives them their time to sign up, to try and sign up for Strongman if they want to. And by the time that week's over,

they'll know if they got a spot or if they didn't. So those that didn't would know that they, if they wanted it or not, they would need to get signed up for the powerlifting November 18th. And that will be open to just crew and gym members for a week before it opens to anyone else. So crew will have a week to sign up

for the powerlifting meet. I wouldn't wait, because it could in theory fill up just from supporting members actually. Didn't it fill up in like 24 hours? Something like that. Well something like that, yeah. 90 spots for powerlifting again this year. Same as last year. Uh, and they will be in high demand, I think, honestly. So I all new and improved venue and stay tuned for the exact time,

but I think both will open. I'll just say it. They'll both going to open at noon Western Northeast South Dakota time on those respective dates. Kind of going in laboring on all these details because everyone wants to know that stuff and start making plans for being able to sign up. And so that is the, that is the plan. There will be events in the massonomics discord. If you're a supporting member in there, and we'll probably mention on the podcast

a few more times between now and then. Yeah. But registration will open in November for those events. Plenty of time early to get signed up and be able to make your arrangements for Western Northeast South Dakota in what, July of 25? No shortage of time to get things figured out. Yeah.

Okay. Are we gonna, is this next thing our title topic? Is that what we decided? Well, I don't know. Maybe the Kabuki thing was our title topic. We talked about that quite a bit. That probably was. That could next thing our title topic is I don't know maybe the kabuki thing was our title topic We got that quite a bit that probably was been our table Well this sound is for whatever ends up being the title of this this sound is for that It was also to denote that you are actually down with the sickness yeah, like it's also kind of the title Yeah It was also to denote that you are actually down with the sickness. Yeah. Like it's also kind of the title. It's a very flexible sound. Works in a lot of situations.

Yeah. Um, so what, oh, our mr. Olympia recap. That's what we're going to talk about our highly anticipated annual mr. Olympia recap. Break it down for me, man. I, yeah.

So we spend all year studying, year studying these competitors and make our predictions of who we think is gonna take home the gold and we were both Right this year first place in the Olympia went to Samson The guy whose last name starts with a D Because Douda do odd a Dada Samson Dada So how'd you say it? I think I said Douda didn't I okay Douda Douda Douda Douda No, let's say Dada. It's Samson Dada. That's who won that's who won and

You want to get me you might not know you guess what his payout was the highest ever for I did actually see the 600,000 $600,000 that is an enormous payout it it is for what seems like a at the end of they still An obscure sport like I it's I it's weird to say that because like we're kind of in that world And I don't really know anyone that follows it But there obviously are a lot of people that follow bodybuilding, which is still surprising to me Because I don't know who these people are I don't know anybody but they clearly exist they clearly exist

I'm not gonna say I don't really know anybody personally The most I know about Samson is from hearing dr. Mike reference him in his videos. That's about it for me, too Hotty Choupon Yep, I remember saying last year's winner did get Second did you know what second paid him? I just looked right here quarter of a mill quarter of a mill $250,000 Derek Lunsford, I think also another former winner got third. Really? Yeah, those three,

first, second, third are all former winners. And I think they were all first, second, third last year, just in a different order. Then Martin Fitzwater. Then the best name on the list, Andrew Jacked. Yeah, that's not his real name. I've apparently his name is Chinado OBE. Oh, well that's Andrew Jacked would be a much better real name, wouldn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. So here, how about this? Do you know what Samson Duda's nickname is? No, what is it? The most important thing we'll learn this week, Samson the lion Dada. Okay, the lion. I really don't know how to say his last name,

so we'll just call him Samson the lion. The lion, hey it works, because it has a thumb in front of it. What do you think of the lion as a nickname? That works, that works, I don't got a problem with it? Yeah, what was Hattie Choupon? Do you remember what Hattie's? That's let me let me look right now. He is the Persian Wolf. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that is good. So we got the lion and the Persian Wolf at the top. Okay,

then Martin Fitzwater, you got to have it? What about Derek Lunsford? What's his that's right? Oh Martin the Martian Fitzwater. That's good, too That's good to get rid of the animal thing. Who'd you say? Derek Lunsford. Oh Yeah, Derek Lunsford, that's a Derek Lunsford. That's a Derek Lunsford is. Hmm. I don't know. Particular nickname. I'm not seeing anything.

I guess that's why I got third and not first. It's these. This marketing is all off. I don't see it. He's got to have one. I'm just not seeing it out here. In other news, Chris, Bob, you're going to be I don't see it. He's got a half one. I'm just not seeing it out here anyway. In other news Chris Bumstead did win

the Classic Physique category again for the sixth year in a row. And I did see this. Did you see the pay discrepancy between the Classic Physique? $50,000 for C-Bum. All the other winners are 50 grand. Was it 50 or 60? It or something like that on this on Barbend it says 50. Okay, okay 60 grand that is quite the gap in I mean he's a huge name like to me That is the name that I feel like everyone knows but I guess

Maybe that class in general people don't care about as much or maybe I think it is on the come up though Isn't it? I think so a little bit. Well, I think probably honestly, probably just because of him. Yeah. And then did I hear is he retiring? Did he announce this was the last one? I think so. And era. I don't know what it's going to be like for all of us fans next year. Well, we got to move on. We got to find a new person.

No way. I ain't having it. Yeah. So't having it. Yeah. So that's it. That's the 2024 Mastinomics coverage of the Mr. Olympia. Well, you forgot all the figure and fitness listings. That's right. Just like everyone, we forgot them all. I did scan to see if there was a single name that I recognized from anything ever before and there was a here, too Yep

Yeah, I wouldn't say we're missing though Figure fitness wellness and bikini that is actually the real test is what is the distinction? I know there's a distinction, but what is the distinction between all of them? It's just varying levels of jackness Just like some of them are like very very tiny varying levels. Yes. Yes. I Heard you got a pretty sweet Facebook marketplace deal of the week this week though. Oh your boy did a little marketplace Hunting here. Let's hear it. I actually gotta, I gotta explain a story here.

This is your biggest marketplace score ever. Yeah, I did spend 350 bucks. So it is the biggest. It's actually the second marketplace score I've ever done. So it's the most expensive and the largest. And the largest and the most I traveled to. And what's funny about this, I didn't even, this actually didn't even dawn on me until after I got it.

What's funny about this is so, I even, this actually didn't even dawn on me until after I got it. What's funny about this is so I went and picked up a lat pull down machine. I saw a lat pull down machine in Minneapolis and Minneapolis is about three and a half hours from me. And what's funny is I hadn't even been looking for lat pull down machines just one day, you know, you're bored and I typed in on marketplace, lat pulldown machine, and this one popped up. And I'm like, Oh, cool. That seems, that seems like a decent one. And I just kind of favorited it.

And then I'm like, I'll just see like in a few days if this is still there. And it was, and then I thought about it a little more. And then I'm like, I'll ask Tanner if he thinks this seems legit. And you're like, yeah, that actually seems pretty nice. And so I messaged the guy and I ended up getting the thing. But what's funny is the first search I ever did for lat pulldowns machines, this is the one I found and I bought it and I had it a week later. Like it was like, it wasn't even like I had been looking for them for months on end. It was literally the first search I ever did for one. I found this one and I bought it.

And what are the specs on this? Okay, so, and I got lots of stories on this thing. So also that's kind of the way the Facebook marketplace gods work. You know, I think it is. Serious way. Like I, yeah. And yeah, I get it here. I'm super happy with the whole thing, but okay.

So the piece is it is made by OEI and it is like an actual commercial grade piece like it's it looks like one of the are those cybex ones we have in the gym the the white ones with the blue upholstery on them the blue pads i actually don't know what those are okay i didn't know but it looks like a lot of equipment you'd see from like the early 90s uh it's it's all white frame metal two by two tubing with a blue pad it's a lat pull down machine and it is selectorized, which was high on my list. I wanted to make sure this thing was selectorized. I didn't want to mess around

with having a plate loaded machine. And it also has the Loro, which was the other like essential for me. Cause I'm like, if I'm going to add in a piece of equipment that's going to take up this much room, it has to be pretty versatile. And so when I saw it was selector eyes up to like 265 pounds I think and then lat pull down and

Kick everyone off for the end of the story So they have to listen in live to find out the rest of the details a good call get them out of here they've had it like they're not now they have to wait for days to find out the The way this wait for days to find out the the the way the space marketplace fine. All these scandalous details. And I should actually say though, I was looking I was starting to research lap pull downs. And I've come to the conclusion that actually, there are a lot of companies that make a good lap pull down machine. And if you're talking selector eyes, which is what I really want to do, you

don't really have options under like $2,500, you know, that that's about it. And like 2,500, that's a lot of money. And I've kind of come to the conclusion that the best lap pull down machine is a used commercial lap pull down machine. Like that is, that's the best lap bull down machine, right? Well, it's what we've both come up with over the years where it's like you can spend a few hundred dollars and have something that's like basically bomb proof you know like maybe even objectively better than some of the ones that you could spend a few thousand bucks on I talked to a guy that made

equipment and he's like you know we you know a guy yeah we do know a guy and I'll talk more on this later He's like a lap pull down is kind of a lap pull down He's like at a certain point we just came up with more creative ways to bend tubing and charge more money for it And he's like just paying for looks really at a certain point here Right, but I was researching I was researching Plate-loaded ones because select your eyes ones were so expensive. I didn't want to drop that much money on one and the plate loaded ones, they seem nice for what they are, but the caveat there is for what they are at the end of the day,

they do just seem like a cheap kind of not very nice thing. And like I was watching Glucks video on one, I think it was from like giant and it was like 500 bucks. And I was thinking, Oh, maybe this is the one I get because I'd seen that one come up a few times. And then once I watched the video, I'm like, I don't know, man, this thing just looks cheap and crappy. At the end of the day, it just looks not that nice.

And then at the, and also it's still plate loaded. And then they're like, yeah, make sure you put the same weight on both sides or it doesn't like pull the best. And yeah, it just doesn't seem ideal. So after watching enough video, like Bells of Steel makes one and Rep makes one, all these company make ones that are both select rise and play loaded.

But then that was the day I'm like, I'll just hop on Facebook Marketplace. And that's when I saw this one and yeah, message the guy, work the whole deal with him, decide I'm going to Minneapolis. And this is the first equipment haul that requires me to get something big and I need a trailer for this. And I'm not a trailer, I don't have a trailer, I'm not Tanner.

I don't have just heavy equipment and things laying around where I can pick things up so I have to go to U-Haul and get my trailer. Luckily that part went pretty smooth. I didn't know you could rent a trailer from U-Haul for the day for 20 bucks, like that part went pretty smooth. I didn't know you could rent a trailer from U-Haul for the day for 20 bucks. That worked out pretty good. So what was the final bill?

The final bill after everything was like taxes and everything like $25. I don't think they planned most people putting like 500 miles on it today, but I did. And it worked out totally fine. So I get to the cities, I get to this guy's place, and I don't know how loading this thing up, how it's gonna go.

You know, some of these things is, like I didn't know, was it built so the weight stack is like permanently in this thing, you know? Can that be removed? And luckily the guy's like, no, there's just two roll pins in the top, we pull those, you can take the guides out, the whole stack comes out. And once you do that, then the frame itself maybe weighs,

I don't know, 150 pounds or so. Yeah, probably less than the plate stack. Oh yeah, definitely less than the plate stack. And that was, we were able to load that, and luckily it fit laying down in the trailer, because that was the other thing I was kind of worried about is how is this thing gonna fit in there, but I did have a little bit of room to spare,

so it laid down and they're fine. Drove it all the way back, got home, got it set up in my garage. And yeah, I'm really happy with it. Like initial impressions of it, so. Initial impressions, actually, it's in really good shape. I might make a video this weekend or sometime soon here. I might try and just clean it up and just touch up paint on a few spots

There's one one pulley wheel that I need to replace but just some very minor things and this things like damn near brand-new So the story on the piece itself it had a sticker on it It said OEI and I don't even know if I think it just said OEI equipment, which means nothing to me But underneath it it said Medford, equipment, which means nothing to me, but underneath it, it said Medford, Minnesota. So I type in Medford. I'd never heard of that. And Medford is just outside of Owatonna.

And through some work for Grant earlier this year and the whole massonomics thing, we have a little equipment connection with the manufacturer in Owatonna, Minnesota. Actually, the founder of PowerBlock is down there. I'm good. in Owatonna, Minnesota. Actually, the founder of Power Block is down there. I'm good, I now consider myself close personal friends with the creator of Power Block. And so I emailed the creator of Power Block, Big Greg. I sent Greg an email.

I said, hey Greg, I picked up this piece of equipment from your neck of the woods, or it was made in your neck of the woods. It's called OEI. Do you know anything about this? And so I sent him this email and like an hour later, I get a phone call from Oetana, Minnesota. I'm like, oh, Big Greg's calling me.

What's he got to tell me here? And so he goes, yeah, actually great story for you. And I got to find my, he then sent me a follow-up email on this, but he says, OEI was started in 1983 by Jim Dunham. And he told me that Jim, you know, they were friends. They were on a personal basis. but he says OEI was started in 1983 by Jim Dunham. And he told me that Jim, you know, they were on a personal, they were friends, they were on a personal basis. He said Jim was with Cybex. Jim that old son of a bitch.

Yeah, Jim that's what he said. Jim was with Cybex. I don't even understand this like line. I guess before- Cybex Eagle. Cybex Eagle, like before it was Cybex, there was like Eagle, like there's, but there's also like Eagle Cybex equipment or Cybex Eagle, like before it was Cybex, there was like Eagle, like there's, but there's also like Eagle Cybex equipment or something too, isn't there?

Yeah, and people like the Eagle Cybex equipment. Yeah, and so Jim was with Eagle before they rolled into Cybex. And then I don't know if it was, I think it was before they merged or before they got bought out, whatever it was. Jim went out on his own and started this OEI equipment. And Greg told me, he's like, yeah,

at their peak they were doing probably three to four million dollars a year. They had about 10 employees. He said they shut down in the mid-90s. But he said they stayed mostly regional. They didn't try to get, they didn't try to like scale out and grow. So he said, you know, if you look around through Minnesota,

he's had a lot of high school weight rooms, college weight rooms at the time. He said, had a lot of the stuff. I think he said, Oh, Otana, the high school there had all there had all stuff in it. And so that was the story on this piece was that this guy had bought it from a, or the guy that I bought it from had bought it from a hockey rink in the cities that he thought was, uh, he was told, he thought like in the early nineties, it was supposed to be an Olympic training center for the women's Olympic hockey team.

And so that's why they had all this strength training equipment there. As time went on, the hockey, the women's hockey team thing got off. That was done. That's why that women's hockey team had such big laps. That's what it was. They had the OEI lap pull down.

And then, yeah, eventually it turned into like a kids, more of a kids team thing, and they didn't need the weight equipment anymore. So this guy bought it. He bought this with a bunch of pieces He had sold all of them. This was the last piece he had and I was the one to pick it up So I got it here and man Besides before I got sick. I got to do one workout with it and dude It's my first time hitting lat pull downs in a long time. I Forgot for me a set of 15 on lat pull downs on hypertrophy, three sets of 15.

Those last five reps just smoked my lats so hard. I forgot the feeling. So I'm glad to have it back in the lineup. Did you try any low rowing with it yet? You know, I did just to make sure like the cable and everything worked correctly. And yeah, so that's all that works good too. It's, I'm really excited to start using it. So

your gym footprint is expanding that it is but actually not a whole lot because the the lap pull down itself is only you know, it's only as wide as a really compact. Yeah, it's like it's like 24. I think it's 28 inches wide from frame to frame, you know, and the the length of it, I want to say like depth, how much it takes up? Is it like 40 inches,, you know? And the length of it, I wanna say like depth, how much it takes up, is it like 40 inches maybe? You know, the foot plate for the lat row takes up a little more, but that also is on a pin,

you know, where you can move it in and out. So the whole thing stays pretty compact. Really, honestly, the reason it takes up as much, it takes up more room because just with a lat pull down, just the bar itself, you know, most of that pull down bars are like 40 inches wide. Right. And I have it right now up against the wall. And so you need a little room away from the wall.

So the bar's not banging into it. So that's actually what makes it take up more room than anything is the bar itself. Yeah. Um, so what will be your next sectorized piece of equipment? Ah, that's, that's funny. Uh, I will say, okay, so I did get a few attachments for it. You know, I had to get, you gotta get the classic tricep rope, you know,

we gotta have that thing, you know, luckily all this stuff is insanely cheap, like things like this that you don't really care about is insanely cheap on Amazon, like I think cap, you get the rope from them for like $12 or something. Right, right. I did pick up the Spud Ink, I think it's the long abstract. Belt squat belt.

Oh, okay. Not the belt squat belt. I got the long abstract because I think Jujie had a video talking about how he likes to use it for like lat stuff. And then I did like, I'd seen the video on it of them talking about how you can like kind of do weighted crunches with that. I think

Was it Seth? Dr. Seth? Bigger talks about that. Yeah, so I added that in there too And then it came with the what's at the V bar the little yeah You know it came with that and it came with the LAT pull-down bar and those were both Look at a little rusty a little used but I hit him with some three-in-one oil and a metal brush and all the LAT pull pulldown bar Almost looks brand new. I'm assuming it's probably original the machine, but it looks great The the V bar had a lot more rust on it. And so that went now instead of just looking bad looks just used

Yeah So I got that for now probably add in some other other random things as time goes on But yeah, the attachments game is you know for the most part we're talking things that are under a hundred bucks A lot of times under $50. So those are easy ones to add in. So you spent less than what you would have spent on any of the rack mounted options, if that would have been another option.

Oh, even the standalone, the rack mounted ones aren't even that cheap for the most part. The standalone weight loaded ones, I don't know. I think the cheapest one was that one from Giant, and it was 500 bucks. And yeah, so I'm still even renting a trailer actually with gas. I'm renting a trailer and gas and buying it. I'm probably at about 500. Right. But yeah, it still is still. But you also got to learn this history about, Oh, I got the history. Can you put a price on the history? Yeah. Like the Bells of Steel, like their lap pull down is beefy

and Bells of Steel is known as being a value option, but their plate loaded option is $900. So I'm still coming out way ahead on that. Yeah, and the machine looks good. Like I'm just gonna, as of right now, I'm saying I'm doing this, maybe I'll change my mind, but there's just a few spots where the paints wore off a little bit from like the bar hitting the frame.

I might try and touch that up. I was doing a little research on what people get. I might try and touch that up a little bit. I might not even mess with it. I'm not sure yet. We'll see how it goes. And otherwise I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna give it a little scrub down.

You can definitely see there's some grease and grime through the years that even cleaning that up, I think is gonna make it look way better because, I mean, it's just gonna make it look that much cleaner. The pad, the upholstery is like brand new. Little bit of rust on the weight stack and I'll probably, when I try to clean this thing up, I'll take the weights off and try to knock some of that off.

But again, this thing's pretty good shape for 350 bucks. Yeah. So now do you feel like the home gym is pretty well like? Well, so now I'm at the thing of now adding anything I would just like the footprint is just right to be like I did have I did have a gap because next to my right to my weight rack I had the spot where I just keep my bench. Right. And there was like a five foot empty space. There was actually space for something. Right. And now, yeah, would I add something else in?

I would love to. After going to Jugees and even Gens, all these places, they just have them just crammed full of stuff. And there's something that's really cool and fun about going into a gym, be like, whoa, there's this much stuff in here. I'm talking about the back half of a third stall right now. So like, it's not, I just don't have the footprint for it at the moment.

And also I did, I have had on my to-do list from day one or pretty early on was some type of something for poles, some type of cable, something, you know, and whether that was something that's rack attached that you got to set up every time or whatever that was, this was on there. I don't really have anything else right now that would be a different thing. Like, yeah, if I had unlimited space, maybe like a rhino or a belt squat would be cool,

but again, I don't know if I have unlimited space, if a belt squat would be the thing that would still go in there, so. Yeah. I don't know, like what is, I feel like out of all the recommendations I got since I've had my gym, some type of lat pull down tricep, low row thing was the number one most recommended machine type piece that got recommended. I don't even really

know if anything else has been recommended that commonly outside of that. Not really. I guess I don't even if I was thinking it would probably be, well, we did a video on it. It would probably be well we did a video on it It would probably be if you ever got like those fancy adjustable, but you know like well That's like and I could still see myself getting those within the next year But that's not really adding to the footprint because I already have those laying on the ground So if they're really nice fancy ones versus crappy ones like that doesn't change the footprint I'm just trying to think if there ever would be a bigger machine and this all hinges on nice fancy ones versus crappy ones like that doesn't change the footprint.

I'm just trying to think if there ever would be a bigger machine. And this all hinges on the space, you know, like I would have to do something drastic, like decide like my car is not going in the garage ever again. Right. And like, oh, really open up some space, which that does give me a lot more options. But like Titan has that, you know, like Paul has that Titan leg extension machine. But I don't like doing leg extensions We had the leg extension machine at the gym. I never use it. I don't I just don't like them. I don't like those machines So I'm not sure what would be next on the list, but it was cool Like the even I mean obviously Jugees

But even at Donnie's where he had just like every machine for it like he had that specialized tricep extension bench Do you remember that? He has some wacky machines. You'll see that in the gym tour video we have of his coming up on YouTube. But he does have some. I was playing back and I saw that clip of you doing that.

I'm like, wow, that machine is insane. Like someone could chop their hand off with that thing. Setting up the safety. He had a handful of machines that I'm like, I don't believe I've ever seen this before. Like in this. And it was really cool seeing all those random ones in there. Yeah

Yeah, I don't I just big footprint things though, I'm not sure what else is really left for your standard home gym At this point now, it's pretty well covered. I think Now you should be able to finally get now. Now I can finally get strong, yeah. What's been holding you back? It is what's been holding back. But I do gotta think, I might get one more stall mat to just really round everything out, you know, but that's the one thing I gotta decide on that.

It's really filling the gaps. It's really just really tie the whole thing together. The bigger concern coming up soon, here's gonna be heat and I I haven't I think I've decided I'm not putting a heater in this winter So we'll see how that goes I don't know what I'm not sure I'm not sure how that'll go It got a little colder here for a couple nights, but actually I think it's like Not gonna be that cold again here for a while though Yeah, it's gonna heat back up And like even here on the colder nights,

like I was just curious, okay, when it gets down to 30, well, it is a little different in the winter time, but when it gets down to 30, most mornings when I go out to my garage, it'd still be 60 something. So it wasn't, yeah, that's not, that's not cool enough for it to be probably honestly. Well, I'm just looking at the forecast. It won't even in October be even potentially an issue I know well, and if they're like last year November won't really be an issue either even last year We were getting rain in December, which means it's above freezing

And if it's above freezing it'll stay you know in the 50s in the garage and like the 50s is not an issue It's when it starts to get below 50s when it's cold Yeah, so we'll we'll see Maybe there'll be a couple months. I don't know. I'm not sure. I do have a little propane heater. Like back in the day at my old, old house where we used to throw parties in my garage all the time.

I had the big, I don't even know what you call those things. Nipco? Yeah, like that where you just hook it up to a propane tank and you would let the thing run for like 10 minutes and all of a sudden your garage is comfortable. So I mean, I haven't even considered that. I'm like, well, on days when it's really bad, 10 minutes before I go out, I can whip that thing on.

Get it. Got to point it right at the corner too so it like heats the objects in there a little bit probably. Yeah. Yeah. And that would do it. So I don't know. Maybe that's something that I do for a couple months, but We'll see it'll be a bit. It'll be the the learning experience this this winter

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