Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 448: Recovering from a SECOND Knee Surgery

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

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Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. Welcome back everyone for episode 448 of the Masanomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing listened and viewed by millions all over the globe. My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy. Episode 448 Tommy, you know, there was some kind of saved it all for this one week. What say that again some controversy with the number last week. I said it wrong. Didn't I did I say 464 I think so and I did not even catch it one bit Yeah, I guess you live and you learn We'll have to just keep trying next week, right? I'll get it right. I'll get it right the next time we come around five six five

547 or whatever the number is We've got a Lot of stuff to talk about actually what happened is we were looking at different title topics this week, and I kind of Almost incidentally put something out on Instagram that I didn't realize just as essentially a Q&A I wasn't tackling it as a Q&A was Looking for titles and title topics sort of fishing for those and it just turned into Really, this is a Q&A now We got so many submissions and most of them are just,

are not like title topics like we might normally tackle. So somewhere in this maze of cues, I think we will find a title topic or two. And maybe every time we hear what could potentially be a title topic. We'll flag it. We'll flag it. Give it the ooh-wah-ah.

Yeah, so we know to just, when theah-ah-ah pops up in editing, we'll be like, oh, that was something we gotta check out there. That's right. We ooh-ed an ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-d. This episode is brought to you by our friends over at Juggernaut AI. It's juggernautai.app.

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Finally, I'm gonna will will be able to answer though Disprove the age-old wives tale that you cannot ride two horses with just the one ass I'm gonna do my best this week to ride the two horses, but really the one ass It's the hashtag road to recovery is in full effect. It's the hashtag road to recovery so I'm just elevating my leg out of Pure necessity right now, but I also won't be able to sit cock. I'd like this the whole time So I'll just be I'll just be uncomfortably I'll be uncomfortably rotating around most of the episode so I won't cover

that again as every time I make that move I won't rehash what's going on you'll just know why I'm doing these awkward movements on the camera so you got to bring us up to speed what's the what's the road looking like here oh my Oh my Christ That brothers in Christ this is fuck this is worse than I remember It is actually worse than you remember Yeah, I mean that's a it's I'm being a little over dramatic right now, but it is worse than I remember It's uh, it is it's pretty brutal on just about all fronts. It is painful. And in case someone missed maybe last week, Tanner did have surgery to repairs ACL.

Yeah, so on Thursday, I guess there's probably some questions regarding this when we get to the question. So maybe the as we get to those, I might say, hey, we already kind of covered that. But so the quickest rundown that I can do, which I never do anything all that quick, but here we go. Thursday, I had the surgery had my ACL and meniscus repaired, went about as good as it could, um, got done Thursday afternoon, just in time for our drop. I, uh, the nurse field, the pile that work on the first thing I can remember

with coming out of surgery is looking up and there was like like Looking and being like oh fuck. I'm awake. Okay, like this is done And then i'm like, where's the clock because they didn't you know, they don't send your phone with you, you know Yeah What time is it? I want to know like I gotta get out of here status and i'm like, oh it's like 2 30 And you know to our early release to our discord crew Uh our supporting members doesn't start for like 30 minutes, so I'm like oh God, I wonder if they can get me to the next stop within the next 30 minutes so I can monitor

What's going you know so I could see what's going on as it's going so I was trying Because I was like still very very sleepy at that point So I was doing my best every time the nurse would come to appear very awake so that she would wheel me out of this like first recovery room. Yeah, and be like, how you feeling? I'm like, oh, I'm good. I'm I'm so awake. You know, I'm so awake right now. I just can't believe I'm awake. She'd walk away and I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna rest for a second. And they did wheel me me into the I don't know that my antics played a role, but they wheeled me into to, you know, the waiting room where my wife was at waiting for me and stuff, right.

Just a little bit before three. So I'm like, uh, you know, first I not to, I wasn't too under the weather at the time to not crack a few classic dad wise man jokes But as soon as they put they wheel me in in the hospital bed and my wife is there and the first thing I said It's huh. I've been looking for you everywhere And her and the nurses got a good kick out of that and then I we laughed a little bit and I said now How's about you give me that phone so I can see what's going on And we're to do the drop here. Yeah, and then actually flying Ryan's wife your brother's wife was there and

We were talking and saying hi and stuff and then after a while I said, you know, I'm not being an asshole, but there's like a massonomics drop and a lot of stuff going on so I'm gonna look at my phone right now because Like I want to see what's going on with yeah So i'm already making a short story long But that was to be fair though. That was a lot of business to take care of it was Yeah, i'm like to transition this even to talk about the drop the drop went awesome If anyone hasn't seen it, we released the two lifting department shorts in two colors in the royal blue and the OD

military green and Then we released what we call the smoke tea where it's the oversized tea with the massonomics across the chest and then the Sand hoodie that I'm wearing right now that Just says little logo and then the massonomics apparel co-. since forever on the sleeve and all of it was really well received So it was making my knee feel better. I'd have to say as I was watching the orders come in. I'm like I'm feeling a little better Every order was just like a little tickle to my knee of make it just a little sprinkle of

Pain relief on my knee every time I saw an order come in over the weekend but they did everything did go really well so as of right now there's some sizing out of some stuff there's not very many of these hoodies left the sizing is actually still pretty decent like most sizes are available but the quantities of everything I'm looking at if there's like barely anything in the piles of the sand hoodie right now there's a couple behind me there too but the smoke tee sold really well but the sizing has worked out good that most sizes are still available and then in the lifting department shorts which are awesome I

cannot recommend these shorts enough it's the same blank that we use on the squat shorts and you know I don't have to brag about them too much I think everyone else agrees that they they've turned out really really good and I Would just highly recommend getting a pair of those shorts if you haven't honestly I think you won't regret it. I think the price on those is really good and I think what you get is really good. So it's kind of like I mean you can't afford not too classically Yeah, I've loved wearing all the items from the drop. What's your favorite thing from the drop?

That's actually a really good question because it's a really good drop. It is. Um, this sand hoodie is pretty sweet though. Sand hoodies. Like I've had it on for like the last three days. I finally took it off today. Um, the smoke, I've been wearing it all week. I wore it to surgery.

Oh, that's classic. I, I wore the smoke tee to work out the other day. Actually had it on for the whole day. And then I was wearing it during my workout. I'm like, this thing is so awesome, because it's kind of the boxy fit, but it's also a little softer than the other ones we've had in the past, too. It's just like, it might be like the perfect shirt. It's so good. And God, the shorts are good, too. I don't know. This might be the hardest time I've ever had trying to decide a favorite item from the drug

Yeah, cuz they're all they are all pretty legit aren't they they are really good Yeah, I wore the smoke tea also to surgery for like three days and then my wife finally made me change out of that one She said you've been wearing that shirt long enough actually my my one daughter even said dad You've been wearing that shirt for a really long time But it's kind of like, you know tie-dye so you can't really it's the perfect mask. Yeah, right Yes, and then everyone knows you don't really ever have to wash a hood I sure like you tell it's visibly dirty or like noticeably stinky you don't need to watch a They can go for that sweatshirt

Crewnecks, especially you might need to wash a little more frequently than a hood Yeah, the hood like adds like twice the wear time order masking properties It gets trapped in the hood. Yeah, yeah like it soaks into the hood It gets trapped in the hood. Yeah, like it soaks into the hood Do you kind of understand where I'm coming from on that though that like a hoodie seems like is He's really close to a coat You know and right and then but then a crewneck sweatshirt is a little bit Closer to a long sleeve t-shirt and a long sleeve t-shirt you have to wash it like after every time you know

Unless it's like a workout long sleeve that you kind of just wear like oh you're like wear over the top No, then you can wear that for weeks as long as it's just that's just a smell Forever I had my workout long sleeve and it's like all right I wear this to warm up and once I think I'm almost warmed up that comes off and I can just go forever Yeah, you had like a black one with yellow writing or something like that. Yeah, it was, I had the busker on my dad's business on it too. Yeah, that and your team bald eagle.

Oh yes, yes. Green sweatshirt, do you still have that one? It's somewhere, yeah, that one is somewhere. It says like a bald eagle on it? Yeah, it was like a $10 Walmart crew neck that had like, you know, the the over dramatic realistic Yeah, so I

Guess otherwise on the knee I got out of surgery Thursday. I didn't get to packing orders until like Saturday a little bit. And then mostly Sunday, myself and Jack got down here and we really cracked the whip and busted out some serious hours of order packing with him and me together. We really. I mean, by myself, it would have taken me weeks because I am immobile without crutches still, so like it's and most things aren't within arm's reach. Yeah. You know, just out of arm's reach.

They're close. Yes. Yes. So, but it's like, I can't really get to it without my crutches. So I have to like, and then a lot of orders have like three things in it. So I have to crush my well, extend or hook things, you know, that you can grab the grabber thing. That's an idea. Yeah. Like that's's would have worked came in handy for some things

But then like the hooded sweatshirts that are all in a pile and then the the shorts that are all in boxes like not really Well sorted by size you're digging all right. You need to hook hands on that. Yeah Just like do firing off over here So by Sunday we had most those packed up but Saturday I had to go to the emergency room Actually because I had an infection in my leg You were telling me this this is crazy Which that was you know that sucked also because I ended up feeding in the hospital for like three or four more hours And I'm like I do not want to be in the hospital anymore like when we saw what was going on I was like oh I don't even want to show my wife this

because I'm like it might be fine I'll just ride it out and then I'm like okay I better guess I better bring this up so I showed it to her and she's like oh took some pictures ever show me that again yeah send it to her and she's like, oh, took some pictures. Never show me that again. Yeah. Send it to some of our, you know, some of our doctor friends and they're like, yeah, you really should probably go to the emergency room for that. And I'm like, no. Perfect. I missed the hospital.

It's been so long. So we go to the emergency room and it was an infection in my shin. My shin from like below my my knee all the way to my ankle was completely numb. The first top half of my leg, the top side of my leg from just below knee to ankle, you could've whacked me with a stick and I couldn't have, it was completely numb.

I had no feeling sensation. And they're like, at first they're like, well, sometimes, you know, you do lose some, you know, some nerve endings get damaged and stuff. I'm like, yeah, but not to my whole half of my lower leg. I'm like, I can't, you know, I'm like, that's, I mean, I suppose that's possible still, but it didn't seem like the case,

but it was all red and hot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we wanted to make sure it wasn't a blood clot. And then if it wasn't infection, it wasn't a bad infection. And to make sure it wasn't a blood clot and then if it wasn't infection It wasn't a bad infection and it turns out it wasn't an infection but not maybe a somewhat superficial and infection I guess whatever that means so it was like here's some antibiotics and

Let us know if it gets worse So I got to leave and now I've been on the road to recovery on Monday I went to my first physical therapy session. That went pretty well. But the last few days it is just, it just is painful and it just hurts and I've just forgot. I'm like, oh yeah, this sucks. Like every time I get up to do something, there's like a blood rush to my leg that I'm like, I completely forgot about this.

This goes on for a while. Where like when I'd get out of bed in the morning, I have to just stand in place for like five to 10 seconds and just like bite my lip and be like, oh, yeah. It's like all the blood going into your leg. Yeah, it's like a really crappy painful sensation and then like it kind of like levels out a little bit. I'm like, okay, let's go. You know, like, okay. So that,

and it just, it just hurts. It's swollen. It's big. It's crap. You know, like when we went and saw Donnie, like I'd forgot, I mean, I kind of had like he had a knee replacement, which is more severe, of course, but that feeling of when someone sitting there hooked up to the ice machine got the big swollen thing like that is me now. And I knew I had done that before, but I just kind of forgot it. And I'm like, I wasn't when we were there BSing with them. I wasn't really thinking about what he was feeling. And now in hindsight, I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's, you know, like watching how hard it was for him to get out to the ship Oh, yeah, and then I'll be like, oh, let me go walk and do a tour with that guys for man

He was a trooper now thinking back on that actually. Yes. He was a trooper because I'm like, yeah that message and be like oh man, I Relate to what you were doing on a yes Yes, but I on that, it was good to see. I see he's like walking without Walker, without Kane and stuff now. So he's doing well. That is really good to see.

But it did give me an additional, not that I didn't respect him for it before, but I'm like, ah, yes. Well, he just seems so nonchalant about it though, that I'm like, oh, this must not be bugging him at all. Right, right. No, but the worst of it is I just can't sleep at night. So I've had like, I don't know, almost a week of like,

I don't even know when I, when I've slept, like, it's just like, like every night is like a, I'm in a torture chamber almost of where like, and usually it's like the pain isn't that bad. I literally just, sometimes it hurts. It's it's just like discomfort Yeah, which leads to like just Uncomfortableness. Yeah, you can never relax totally right that paired with I was thinking about this Like my normal life schedule is for the last year. I go to the gym

four days a week for two hours and lift very hard and then I go would play basketball two or three days a week for two hours really hard like so six to seven days of the week I was doing an hour and a half to two hours of like strenuous activity during the day yeah and now and plus going to work and running around the four kids and doing massonomics. And now I like sit on my ass for 24 hours a day without knowing what to even really do for the most part. I'm like this is I believe this may be contributing to me not sleeping more than anything. It's just like I don't do anything. So you just

your body just is lost now. Yeah, I just feel like the same 24 seven, not like more awake and more sleepy at times. I'm just like kind of sleepy all the time. And then you think, God, some people just live their whole lives like this. It's several people made that comment. And I'm like, that's brutal. That is actually true. And that is, some people choose to live like this. So the missing out on the exercise is kind of killing me, you know, and then the mental fatigue of what I'm describing here is probably the hardest part right now where I'm like, okay, this sucks balls, but I just have to make it to another day. And like, then I'm like, okay, when I get out of the bed today, is it just going to feel a little better? And then I'll get out and be a little bit. Yeah, and I'll be like

That doesn't feel better at all, you know, and then it's just like the met like the mental wear of That but I do know it is, you know, even if like it's more painful. It might be a sign of You know progress even at times too, but yeah The physical thing and then I got to do my physical or you know it gets better eventually That's I do it, but I don't I kind of get foggy on the details somewhere in between here though where I'm like Might feel better. That's what I'm like. When do I just walk and not like like it is the wildest thing though you know an example of this we talked about when you're sick and you are You're like I can't breathe out of my nose

I would die to be able to breathe out of my nose again and and then when you can again after you have that for While you're like, oh, it's just normal back to business Yeah When I stand there and I'm like I cannot flex my quad hard enough to just stand I'm like like why is my quad not moving? You know, like I cannot control my leg enough just to stand erect which is like really weird, you know Like I'm like I know and I'm like I just want to flex my quad like God Why I'm thinking I'm telling my brain I feel like is telling me the thing to do that and then I'll go to the other side and back

Did I just forget how to do that? Oh, no, I'm like, no, that's what it I'm like, oh, it's really easy It's really that's not hard at all. And then I'm like, wow So that's where I'm at. That's probably way more than enough about that, but that's where I'm at on it. All right Well, it's it's brutal, but it's my life so when do you think when do you think the the crutches go away is that in the next month? I test that constantly because I desperately

want to get rid of the crutches and I don't know. Like, it's gonna be a little. I think it's gonna be a little while yet, but unless it just, maybe, cause I'm doing my physical therapy exercise three three times a day Too and maybe I am just gonna turn a corner here quickly. I'm I'm hoping by like the next time we Record that I'm not like dependent on crud. Maybe I have to use them at times and stuff But so you're still like like by crew falls that you're not gonna be on crutches is that oh, I won't be on crutches

Okay falls. Yeah, definitely not No, I think by crew falls for the most part people will see me walking around and not you know I will hope someone doesn't do the thing to me where like jump on walk up behind you or jump on your back or like You know when you like kick someone's back behind their knee, so they buckle over That is like the word my worst fear in the world right now is if someone came up and did that to me That is like the word my worst fear in the world right now is if someone came up and did that to me I've thought about that before though. I'm like if somebody did that like a few weeks from now Not that anyone's done that to me for like 25 years, but

Yeah, but like wouldn't like high school buddies do that to you and stuff like you know yeah Yeah, so yeah, I think no my crew falls. I think I should be squatting 600 again. No problem perfect That might be an exaggeration, but you know how's your knees better than that my knees are just dandy It seemed like well your knees are really good there your knees are looking strongandy. It seemed like, well, your knees are really good there. Your knees are looking strong. They're feeling strong too. Because what was your squat set 385 for I did 385 for a top set of eight yesterday. Yeah, not. And what did you rate that? I mean, it was supposed to be a 10. And I've been if there's one

thing I learned during my last meet prep, it's besides actually not even besides but on everything, I just don't go aggressive enough. And part of it is because it is getting used to training in a home gym, you know, when you always have spotters around, you feel like you can send a little more. But I did learn the last prep that I just need to send it a little more when I'm at home. And I actually marked I actually went higher than the prescribed number for juggernaut I hardly ever tell it to go

more aggressive. And I did that day and jumped it almost 15 pounds on me or did jump like 15 pounds on me. And still probably could have went another I probably could have done 395 to 400 for a set eight. Right. And were you saying that you think 405 for a set eight is the most you've ever done before for a set of eight that is the most you've ever done before for a set of eight That is the most I've ever done and to be fair. So that was around the time I could squat 550 ish It was somewhere in that

Ballpark to be fair at that time Never trained for vault never squatted for volume ever the most ever would do a set of was five So my condition as far as that goes was poor like if you want, but you weren't regularly testing a set of eight that wasn't coming out. That's like a ton RP 10 set of eight. Yeah, like I'd only really ever tried that once. And like, I remember when I was doing it, the first five just flew and I just hit a wall hard on like the last two because I just didn't have that conditioning to do that. Right. But God, I forgot

after because I've been sick and I've been rating my numbers lower in juggernaut the last couple weeks that had been taking away like a set from me so I had only been doing I had only done like a top set in two extra sets two weeks ago a top set in three extra sets last week and now this one a top set at 385 and then four backdowns at 325. God, that's a what for 40 reps. By the end of those 40 reps, man, I was I was feeling that's a lot of that's a lot of work right there. Like you were you just physically tired.

I was really tired. Yes. Yeah, I was able to feel it wasn't like your, your quads. No, my legs, my legs actually feel pretty damn good today. But it was just like that is that is fatiguing to just go through that. Right. You know, like my back actually felt like I just you know, trying to keep tight that long just like the strength in my upper back has even felt like it was out of it. But but we made it through. Juggernaut AI for the win. All right. That's right.

Okay, should we get to some of these questions? Let's do it. Oh, what, do you got a can over there, though? I actually just have a... What's your can situation? Just have a water, actually, at the moment. Okay. I do have something. Shout out, I've got a black cherry Waterloo.

This was courtesy of Big Antony. He hand-picked up his order, so he was the first to actually get his order from the new drop, and he brought me a case of a Gitwell Waterlose. That's... I forgot to put it in the fridge. So what I'm gonna do...

Better, piping hot. Let's put it in this ice cup, this silly pint. Heavy logger, masonomic silly pint as a matter of fact. That good good. Does pouring a Sparkling water into a cup of ice degrade the bubbles at all Um, I actually think sparkling water is better out of a can, you know if I had if I had to decide That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm wondering I think it still is refreshing out of a glass with water, but I do think it is best best served

Fresh right over the can. No, I think that makes sense. So shout out to thank you to Big Antony for this week's can. The black cherry is a four. It's always one of my favorites. It's cherry of some sort. Last week's can, the one you had,

was the green liquid death, like the lime or whatever. That was from Big Jen, from Left Hard, Live Easy classic. And transitioning, I don't know if you have this handy, but she also gave us this. I think I, did I give you one of these when I dropped off all those cans too? When I see what's in it, maybe I'll remember. There was, well, I ate one of the things

when we were in Jack for packing orders. The beef stick and the- Yes, yes. So I haven't of the things when was that beef steak the beef steak and the yes Yeah, so I haven't eaten this beef stick yet. Yes. I was saving those because but I then I was saving them I'm like, why am I saving these? Where did these come from? I couldn't even remember Yeah, it was that and then a a cliff bar. Yes. Okay. Yes the cliff bar Yeah, my kids got in that cliff bar in like a second that didn't last longer in my house But I ate the cliff bar pack and orders this weekend. Okay. Well now I know I can eat that beef stick It's been sitting there and I just had totally lost any

Memory for why I had that thing. Yeah, it seems like a really good beef stick. Maybe I'll try it a little later It's a hundred percent grass-fed bison. I think it's from our friend Big Seth in Canada yeah 100% grass-fed bison. I think it's from our friend Big Seth in Canada. Yeah. So that's a little can update on what we had there. OK, here's a bunch of our questions, our topics, and stuff for this week. Some will go very short on. Some will go longer. big, big, uh, Nivea for the soul said programming after two years off.

Oh, what would you do? Here's my, here would be my advice. I would just do something. What I do. I've never taken two years off, but I have, you know, I'd relate it to maybe injuries coming back from that. I would do a pretty, a really simple linear progression for at least like I Don't know depends on how much progress you keep making but I would just pick a weight and a rep scheme

For each of the big lifts that you do if you're a squat bench deadlift kind of guy what I would do is a But a squat once a week and do like a five by five I'm gonna bench once a week do a five by five and I'm gonna deadlift once a week and do like a five by five, I'm going to bench once a week, do a five by five, and I'm going to deadlift once a week and do a three by five. And I would just move those up five to 10 pounds per week, for as long as you can still do that. It can. It's okay for it to start to get challenging at the end. But what I would, I would stop that before you get to the point where you're failing.

Yes. And I would, I would 100% agree with that. I mean, that's kind of what I did last year, coming back from some back injury is, I just took it way down and just, yeah, I think volume, I mean, not that five by five is huge volume, but that is some decent volume and that is your friend. Just get some quality volume in at some lesser weights

and just take your time building that up. And this is in particular people that have lifted before and like know what they're doing, at least to some extent. Yeah, and this is really a two years off was was were you lifting for six months and took two years off or right lifting for six years and took, you know, you kind of know your know your stuff or something that knows your stuff and go that do that you can go by feel a little bit and then eventually once it feels good Get on programming like juggernaut AI honestly like you don't have to get on juggernaut AI But as long as I could pitch it and if you were a person that had been lifting for a while and you took some

Time off, you know two years is a lot But you will be shocked how fast it will start to come back once you get going Like yeah, it almost feels like a cheat code how how fast things can come back. Right. Tommy, did you do this is from best, best wrong dad. Since you're a big garage gym guy now, did you get in on the garage gym competition? Actually, I totally spaced it out. I saw these people doing it and I still in my brain don't think that that applies to me You know, like I don't identify as that having that option in my head until Scott Dodds called me out Programming after two years, maybe not a title topic, but just in case well we would have thought about ahead of time Maybe we could yeah

But Scott Dodds called me out on my my post and I'm like god, maybe I should get involved in that So I gotta check out what the deadlines are here But yeah, probably not a bad idea Because I'm guessing even like you're that squat like you could put that it I think you like anything in it. Can't you I think so for the most part. Yeah Big big Garrett says Anything new coming to Tommy Tommy's home gym or massonomics gym any new equipment Obviously at this moment

No, nothing new. I You know, I got the got the lap pull down, you know I'm just so jacked on the lap pull down right now that that kind is the new new for me It might get some like minor attachments like things like that, you know, it's all you're doing some different stuff with it, too dude, I'm telling you and I I've I Was messing around first of all, I do love the spud ink long abstract. I think that thing is so awesome It's a big spud deshing dress straps comm they are incorporated. So that tells you a lot right there But dude, I got that thing because I don't know where I even saw I think I think I talked about that

I think dr. Seth what Albert what's his last Albert's worth Albert's worth. I was gonna say Albertson Albert's worth Yeah, I Think you had a video talking Samsonite. Yeah, we were way off He had a video talking about doing Like crunches or whatever you do with the long ab strap and I thought oh that seems like a more fun way to do some ab Exercises and then I think it was in the Jujy video he had with Coop on garage gym reviews. I believe he talked about using the spud ink long abstract that he liked it for tricep work because of how much room you have to work with. You can really, really

work it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought, Oh, okay, it seems like a pretty versatile piece. I'll get that. And man, I have loved that thing so much for triceps. It's great. Actually, you can do. I've seen Dr. Mike have a bunch of videos about this. Have you seen his like lat pull down? Or you kind of at a 45 degree angle standing with it instead of instead of being straight, you know, in your in a normal lap, you're relaxed with your arms straight above you and doesn't really give you the tension.

Whereas if you stand up and keep the bar in front of you a little bit at like a 45 degree angle, even when you're fully extended, you're still are under tension that way. Okay. And you can kind of do lat pull downs like that with this too. Like then I was looking at it and I'm thinking, God, maybe, maybe I could, uh, uh, rig this up to do some, uh, leg curls with it through the low row on my lat pull down and dude, I'm telling you, man, I only had it on the 45 pound weight. And by the time

I was getting past rep 10, I was trying to go to 15. My hammies were feeling it so hard. So it definitely works like it's a I'm I'm excited for it. Yeah, it's a it's it is an awesome attachment to have feels like the lap pulldowns kind of already paid for itself. It's already paying back dividends. It is. It's so nice, man. It's so like now that I got it all painted and I just got it. You had it looking like a million bucks. And then I don't know if you saw my brother in town here

has a 3d printer. I wondered who made that. Yeah, he has a 3d printer. He told me this a couple weeks ago when I saw him he's like, Yeah, I got a 3d printer. And for his job. He's a machinist at a factory here. So he knows how a lot of that stuff works. And so I sent him a like, Hey, can you make Can you make this like a massonomics nameplate a massonomics badge for me? And he goes, Yeah, but send over whatever you got. And so I sent over just the massonomics stencil logo file.

Yep, at the size that I needed. And he printed it off. And yeah, damn near looks like the machine came from the factory like what you use to adhere it. I just got some double stick tape and just put it on there because you know it weighs like nothing you know just a piece of glass right right that's what I figured yeah that's no that looks sweet that is a nice touch to it too yeah it looks super I was at first going to just have uh one of the companies here in town just make me a decal to put on there because our decals are white, and well this is a white machine so ours wouldn't work.

So I'm like, well they'll just make a one-off decal for me. I'm like, you know what looks cooler than just a decal? An actual printed cutout badge. Like that really. That does look sweet. If, this is from big Jake the Snake, if Grant never made plates, what would be the go-to plates of Mastinomics Gym?

It'd be the York milled. Oh, you know, like that's what they, you know, I probably would have just dug up more of those over the years. If I was starting my gym, then like what I would have gotten, because that's a little more work tracking those down, you know? Yeah, yeah. So what would I have got? I don't know what I even have a preference for answers like new plates. Yeah, yeah. What I've done that or what I've been more of the mentality

of like, yeah, weight is weight, whatever. And just found I don't know. I don't know what that is a very interesting question. I'm not sure what I would have done. I don't at mass and I'm extreme. It couldn't have been the rogue deep dish. It's just, you can't fit enough plates on there. Like it would be a hit.

It'd be a kind of a nice for some of the big lifters there too. Yeah. Uh, big Jake says, when's's the or he just says next conch next content trip question mark You know, I guess it would be what is the next content trip. Well Some to some degree it's crew faults. Yeah, I mean yes, that is Technically the next thing that involves content with with other people for I don't necessarily have to make a trip but a lot of people will be making right up there Right, but we we actually have bounced around several ideas already for what would be next and we are hitting a time of year

That just starts to get really busy again between crew falls And then you have a pretty short short turnover to the Arnold again crew falls, and then you have a pretty short short turnover to the Arnold again. So it does something happen between crew falls in the Arnold, we're not for sure yet. But then definitely, you know, after the Arnold next year, something would happen if it if it doesn't already. And we do have. So we've got some spots on the map marked that are big flying trips, you know, similar to our South

Carolina or Ohio trips, that sort of thing. But we also have some marked that I wouldn't say they're local, but I wouldn't, you know, they're somewhere in between where it's like a driving distance sort of trip. That we've got a few of those that might come up in there in the middle, in the midst when we're when and if we're able to. So we have several plans on that. It's just what happens first we don't really know yet. Big Jake says, you get to train one lift with a pro strongman, old or current, who is it and what is the lift?

This question's a little tougher for me because I don't really train strong man. So I'm kind of just not good at any of them. So it's harder for me to say like, oh, this is definitely what I would do. Part of me says I just pick someone who's really good at dead lifting and do that. But also something about the way a strong man dead lifts. I mean, clearly they know what they're doing, but their body and leverages are so different than everyone else in the world that I don't know how much of their technique advice would

really carry over to the everyman. That's probably what I'd still go with though. Maybe I'd want to have a deadlift session with Brian Shaw. Yeah, so I'm gonna say Atlas stones with Brian Shaw would be one of my choices My other choice, which I think I might actually go with though ahead of this I like Atlas stones because if I want to pick like a cool event, that's the cool strongman event I want to go do with Brian Shaw. That's just really cut fun and cool in Atlas stones. The more boring event, it's what you're saying. It's, you know,

it's the deadlift. But what I think I would pick is John Paul, John Paul Sigmerson. And I would do the deadlift with John Paul. A, he's dead, he died young, so that adds to a cool factor. I have no idea who that guy is. He is the guy that famously said there's no reason to be alive if you can't do deadlift. And since I've been making these old Strongman videos, the amount of John Paul clips that I've come across that I didn't, I knew he was a badass, but I'm like, oh, now this guy was fricking fun and,

you know, this guy was wild. Yeah. Actually, like, after having watched a lot of those clips, I'm like, he wouldn't have been on my Mount Rushmore of strongmen before, but anymore I'm like, I don't think I could not put him on the Mount Rushmore at this point because, yeah, yeah. I've become more and more of a John Paul fan,

so I think I would pick the deadlift with him. It's like, just to experience his crazy hype and yelling and pretending he has a sword and slashing things down. Pretty cool. From Fang Warren. Okay, this is interesting. Well, get your take. I know it's not either. Obviously, it's neither but kind of fun to think on what you consider massonomics gym, more of a

home gym or a commercial gym? Which one is it more commercial gym? So I would say my my thought process on this has changed somewhat recently even. Because for years, if you ask me, because it was just such a homegrown thing. You know, actually, I don't think people get how, like we've talked about it before,

but just how simple. Most people that I know that have a home gym, their home gym is more kitted out than what the first version of Masanomics gym was. Oh, by far. You know, like there's just it was actually most people's home gyms are bigger than what the first massonomics gym was. Yeah. So because to me, like in my mind, you know, being there from day one, it's like, well, no,

this is just like eight of us in a room with a dirt floor in a basement. We just put a home gym together for all of us because it wasn't even like a nice home gym by any means either. You know, it was a homemade bench. You know, these were items you acquired, you didn't make them but it was a homemade bed, right? Kind of a homemade half rack. Yeah. And there was dumbbells and a homemade deadlift platform and that was the only like, lead machine was the lat pulldown,

right? Which was probably 30 years old, 40 years old. It was old. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's the one we still have right now, right? It's that same one. Yes. Right. And that was the only machine.

Um, so that mentality for me stuck for ever really until like when I started setting up my home gym, we started doing a lot more content in the last year. Where we started talking about it like, well, actually really with up my home gym, we started doing a lot more content in the last year where we started talking about it like, well, actually really with my gym, we really do have an actual home gym angle. Like actually it does feel way different now, like, well, no, no, that is a home gym. Where Masanovics gym, it's not a commercial gym,

but most people looking at it would be like, this is a commercial gym, you know, from the outside looking in. From the outside looking in, it doesn't. That's like this place doesn't feel like a home like to me or to I'm the same way as you to us and our head will be like, oh, it's basically like a home gym, right. But then like people outside of back, dude, you have like a hundred thousand dollars of equipment here and like 4,500 square foot of space. Uh huh. And that never that we were like talking one day and that never dawned on me

until like we both said it out loud. And I think we were like, oh, actually yeah. The perception of what's going on here is different than what our mind's perception is. Right, right. It is true tricky. If I had to say which one, if I'm just like short answer, which one is it more of?

In the beginning, it was definitely more of a home gym than it was a commercial gym It was not even close to a commercial gym, but maybe the longer time goes on Maybe it is closer to a commercial even though that's not what I want to believe I want to think it's more of a home Yeah, but it might be more of a commercial also the word commercial gym is kind of weird though because there's a ton of like Jim's that I would consider like powerlifting gyms and I wouldn't say that's a commercial gym, which I guess technically, they probably are but commercial gym always just feels like that's just the place where someone needs a gym. It

was close to them. That's the one that that's a commercial gym, not a gym you go specifically out of your way to go to because for very specific reasons that right. And then also when we're talking about a very specific, you know, sub section of what strength training can be. Yeah, it's a boutique gym. There we go. Yeah, yeah. Um, some I'm not going to cover now. Maybe we'll save for later when we got more time just because I don't there's quite a few so I don't think we'll be able to get to them all. So any update on TV shows you've been watching this is from unpaid and underrated. probably a while ago, maybe a year ago or more now. I watched some SNL.

Little more than a week, a little more than a week. You brought up SNL on the show a little while ago. Yeah. And I watched several episodes of it this past weekend. And, dude, I was like surprised. It was way better. I think I'm just I've been victim of reading online comments of everyone who's, Oh, you can't do comedy anymore. It sucks. It's woke.

It's dumb. I'm like, dude, like, Oh, all the jokes are all PC and shitty. And maybe this is just like dumb troll comments. I'm coming across too much. Like, dude, one of them was a lonely Island skit about trying to make a restaurant that has glory holes where they feed you food through it. That's pretty out there as far as SNL goes. Another one is a guy dies at the top of a water slide and they're trying to decide if

they're going to push him down the slide while he's dead or not. These are all topics that are not exactly family-friendly topics. Oh, I thought they were hilarious. So many of the jokes and premises, I'm like, these are just as good as I remember when I was watching Saturday night live, like every weekend, if you could have put me back in time, I'd be like, yep. Any one of these jokes belong in like the Andy Samberg era or a lot of them, a lot of them to me don't even fit like in the Will Ferrell era. Like when I loved like first started watching it, like some of these are way less family friendly than what some of that stuff was. Right. And

I'm like, Oh, I think people just like to hate on it because it's popular to hate on it now. And I even thought that for a while without me watching any and I enjoyed a lot. I thought it was really good. I haven't been watching it at all. But I will I keep you know, my biggest thing is I just forget how to, we have three TVs and 70 different things you log into and half of them are only, like then I go to use it and I'm like,

I don't know the password and I don't even remember where to get to set in it. Like I'm like, I can't remember what it's on even, you know, like that's a real thing that I'll be like, okay, I'm just not even gonna watch TV. That's actually what happens to me. I mean, that's with a lot of TV nowadays. like where the hell is that? Yeah, even at yeah I just over this

Road to recovery I've even realized more I'm like I don't even like watching TV Especially when I it's like the only thing I can do I mean I hate it that I'm like I don't want to watch TV like I'd rather do so many other things than this It becomes blatantly obvious to me when I am limp really limited of my choices of things to do Mm-hmm, so I've done some looking and I'm like I actually this is not a TV show. I started to watch 1989 the movie Batman with Michael Keaton Jack Nick. Yeah who plays the Joker Jack Jack Nicholson, isn't it? Yeah, Jack Nicholson plays the Joker Jack Jack Nicholson isn't it yeah, Jack Nicholson plays the Joker and

That movie should be good with the cast It's been I probably haven't seen it since I was in like third grade Don't they try to sort of be funny, but it doesn't know off that way or like they are they're trying to be no It's actually yeah, it's directed by, or it's like a Tim, who did Edward Scissorhands? Yeah, it's not Tim Burton. Tim Burton, yeah, it's a Tim Burton movie. But it's so freaking dated that I was like,

because I was like, yeah, Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, and Joaquin Phoenix. I'm like, that's three pretty epic jokers. And I was like, who's the best joker? And I'm like, I'm gonna watch this and then I'll be able to have my opinion. And I'm like, this joker is terrible. I'm like, I thought he was good in this,

but I'm like, it's just so dated and shitty to me that I'm like, this is awful. Yeah, I try to compare that to the Dark Knight. I'm like, right. Oh, it's not even the same thing. But I think it's pretty agreed upon that that is like a not a good Batman movie, though, isn't it? Okay, I don't know. Yeah, that's I'm like, it feels like the feels like the recipe for everything of that should be good. But I'm like, this is not good. Yeah, I guess I'm also not up. Don't don't actually don't listen to me.

I said, maybe like the George, because like the George Clooney ones and stuff. I know that I think those are the ones that are people like, yeah, those and like Mr. Freeze with Arnold and that stuff like those are kind of Yeah, yeah, but this one I thought, maybe it is then I don't I don't keep up on my superhero stuff. But I was just like That was not good. But the one show I've watched through this though. That is good is the penguin Also Batman that theme is

To isn't it? It's coming. It's new right now. There's like a new episode every Sunday right now. Okay, and that's good That's all I have to add on TV shows. Batman from 1989. Not good. The Penguin now good. From Ginger Chatham, incorporating strong men into a home gym for those without a lot of space for specific tools. So what is the best way to get your strongman workout programming in on a limited space limited budget slash

resources? There's I got one idea that you actually have this I'm like, buy a sandbag. That's what I was here just sandbags are really easy because you get a sandbag you can do carries, yeah loads and as far as storing them like Atlas stones just no matter what take up a lot of room. Sandbags take up room too, but you can kind of throw them in a pile together, you know, they don't all need their own footprint. And yes, like she said, you can do yeah,

you can use them to just wait technically. Yeah, I think and they're cheap. You know, they are as far as equipment goes. They really do not cost that much. So I think sandbags would be a great one. I don't know. What do you think, Tanner? After that, you're more the strongman guy than me. Oh, I guess I would also say is most of the stuff you don't even really need special equipment anyways No, you just do your I mean just dead. Yeah, do your deadlift do your do your squats? Maybe you do front squats

That's like for the most part if you're especially just getting into it, you know You can work your deadlift work your front squats back squats You can work your deadlift, work your front squats, back squats, work your overhead press. There's a lot of creative ways to do carries. You can get really cheap farmers handle. You know, so you could have a sandbag, a really cheap, small, compact pair of farmers handles that you could load.

And I mean, really you don't need to have any. It just depends on how much of that you, at a certain point you just make the decision, do I want to buy the log? Right. Or am I okay just to, you know. If this is more than a casual hobby, then at a certain point you will just dump more into it. Right, right.

Yeah, a lot of that stuff is- But you can get by without it, especially when you're more novice or newer to it. Right. You just get used to just having heavy things on you and throwing heavy things around, and that's how it gets you. The first multiple strongman shows Competitions that I ever competed in we never did any of the things like we went to the show and it was literally the first Time we've done all of the five things that they had you do

Like and I didn't think twice about that. I was just like And even just then when I didn't know any better the mentality like my thought was like well if you're strong You can probably do that stuff, right? Yeah, and that is the thing at the other day is like I mean you can train the events all you want But if a guy comes in and you just a really strong chance. Sorry is gonna be pretty decent. Yes Will there ever be a low bar shirt in contrast to the high bar shirt Will there ever be a low bar shirt in contrast to the high bar shirt? Not thought of that, but I like I like the the outside the box thinking there.

Maybe there's as many double entendres. Yeah, it's as if there's some some deeper meaning we can find on that. But right. Never say never. From the same Bobby says, ooh, the Jeff Nipper drama for sure. I don't really have much to add on that, but right. Never say never. From the Sam Bob, he says, ooh, the Jeff Nippard drama for sure. I don't really have much to add on that. I haven't kept up on anything there. Is there more? I don't know. I guess there was more video that came out, like more security footage.

It didn't really change. I mean, there was like, you could see on the more, the slightly longer video, you can't tell what was being said, but there was slightly more of an you know there were seconds more of an interaction there and I guess like there's people that would say that Jeff Nippert somehow instigated it more which I honestly don't have a horse or dog or anything in the fight so I'm not I don't even want

to sound like I'm taking a side in particular, but I'm just like, to me it still looks like he pretty much just, you know, a dude was there and he choke slammed him. You know, it wasn't like. It's like, yeah, I mean, unless he's just saying some just absolutely filthy, vile stuff. Like, but.

Yeah. So, yeah, I guess I don't have, no change of opinion, because I don't really know any of the particulars anyway. So neither. Advice for someone who has never competed and how to get into competing. And this is from big Patrick Fire.

Well, my advice would be just go ahead and get signed up. You just do it. For a competition, yeah. Especially powerlifting, even strongman for that matter. But like with powerlifting, just get signed up that matter, but like the powerlifting just Get signed up and your training will get better Even if you don't know what you're doing just because of the fact that you're gonna be hyper focused on it because you signed up For something your training is probably gonna get better. Honestly, even if you don't do smarter training You're gonna get stronger just because there's a sense of urgency and there's a deadline looming and we've talked about this several times

I'll use this just for easy numbers. Let's say, let's say you think your total is 1000. And you don't want to compete until your total is 1100. I can tell you right now, no one cares. And no one there will be paying attention like, oh, that guy only totaled 1000 and not 1100. like no one else is paying attention to your total Besides you and then after you do a few of them you'll realize like yeah, you even don't even really pay attention to your total that much anymore like you forget the ones you had before and

Yeah, so just just do it. It's Nothing else makes your training go good like signing up for a meet and also don't take your toughs too seriously Like it's not the end of the world if you go and not have the best meet or if prep, prep is gonna start to suck if you're doing it right. It is gonna start to suck the last month and you might be second guessing everything. That's just part of the process.

Just go with it, man. It'll be there. It'll be there on one day. Yeah, the next one you do will be better just by default just from going through it once. Yes. And kind of learning the experience. Okay, supporting our supporting members

is a relatively new segment to the Mastodomics podcast where we give back to those that have chosen, chosen, chooseted. Chosen ones. To support us. Yep, so we choose to support back to them each week. And I've got a few things going on that I picked up on this week.

The New York Rochester crew was all together at a static monsters competition. It looks like big Keith, big Chris Mark, big Dan, we're all competing there. And, uh, big Lucas was, I think spotting and loading. I don't think he was competing, but he was there with them. They all got a picture together. That was cool. Like Keith had a log PR 200 pounds Chris a log PR of 240. Then Big Jordan also competed in a different static monster monsters where he did a 800

pound 18 inch axle and a 312 pound log press. Big Kevin from NASA competed in his first ever strongman show getting first place in his novice class. Very good. Congrats, Kevin. He took that one to the moon and back. Big Tyler Thompson, of course, one, one another thing. He went five for five and event wins with a 380 pound axle press. Wow. Big Garrett and big Sydney, both supporting members got engaged. Yeah.

So the crew again matchmaking again. Both of them had never met each other until a week ago. They met each other through the crew and now they're engaged. And did you you did say impending funeral? Just to be clear. Okay. Big Tom Swartz, Swartz Sports competed powerlifting meet, knocked it out of the park. He went nine for nine to meet PR home run day.

Dingers all around a 1564 total and best lifter. No surprise out of big, big Tom Minnesota department, department of lifter safety. Then also big Lucas mentioned earlier was the guest this week on unpaid and underrated. So thank you to all of our supporting members, you too can become a supporting member by heading over to massonomics.com slash join. Signing up, we have several

different options prices, price options for just about anyone, as long as your budget is more than $0. Did we say last week that big grant hit a family PR? Was that on the list? Yes. Okay. Yep. We did do that one last week, but shout out again also on the Again on the family. Yeah, kind of grant kind of start to feel the same. It's all the same to me Yeah, it's all the same to me speaking of big grant though Head over to the strength dot co that's their website. He owns the strength co he sells the plates

Referring back to our earlier earlier question, thank God the strength co plates do exist. So they can be the go to plates of mass knowledge, you have to be starting to gym and think of what am I going to outfit my gym with the plates that exist? Thank God. That's a hypothetical question at mass dynamics gym. We call them the go to plates in South Carolina. They just call those plates. And you too can call them plates. If you head over to strength.com and buy yourself some of their made in America Olympic iron Black e-coated smooth easy to grip plates the best there ever has been the best ever was whatever that saying is

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power bars. I haven't been back in mass dynamics gym yet other than to drop a couple orders off. I haven't been back to lift yet. Mostly, I probably would lift but I can't literally can't load the bar or move any weights around. Like if someone loaded the bar for me, I could lay down a bench, but I can't like physically get the plates on the bar as of yet. So but where I have been is back to the commercial gym. So I've got another commercial gym story.

I hit me with it because I took took my daughter to basketball practice again the other night so I was hobbling around there up on my crutches watching basketball practice and then also taking in the local sites again and more of a positive note this week I did see this one guy there was a diamond in the rough I saw this one guy and I wouldn't say he didn't wasn't particularly big didn't look particularly strong but I walked by hobbled by once and I looked, I'm like, Hmm, something seems different about this guy. As I assess the situation, I'm like, okay, he's over in one of the squat racks. He's benching in there.

He's got an a seven bar grip shirt on. He's wearing Adidas lifting shoes, you know, with a heel. And he was chopped, he had a chalk with him and he's a little bit of chalk that I saw he's applying to himself before he's doing a set of bench. And he wasn't benching very much weight. Um, but that wasn't the note, you know, but I could just tell. And then I watched him bench and I'm like, there again, it's not about the weight because the weight was an amount of weight that you'd be like that You know, there's right, you know a lot of people that bench a lot more than that. Yeah, right, right

You know, but like it was just the act of what he was doing I'm like this guy might know what he's doing like I'm actually like there seems like something's going on here So I totally clueless no in between steps Sets I stopped him and I said, hey, do you power lift? He's like, well, I don't really power lift, but I do the lifts and stuff. And I said, yeah, I noticed your A7 shirt and your shoes

and your chalk and stuff there. And the way you were benching, it just seems like you know what you're doing. And he was really nice and he was cool. And he's like, yeah. I think he was taken slightly off guard, you know, that he probably doesn't get. I mean, he was benching like less than a plate. You know, like for, you know, like people,

an average gym goer wouldn't look at him and think that he knows what he's doing. I need to talk to this guy about what's going on. But an experienced gym goer might look at him and think he knows what he's doing just because of the other parts of the situation, you know. And I said, and he said, yeah, someone does my training online. You know, I have an online coach that does my training.

And my first thought is, I said, oh, really, where are they from? And I'm just trying to get out, get out like, I don't know, there's probably a decent chance we, like who are you paying to train you on the lifts? Like- Yeah, someone in the barlifting world, of any notoriety, we would know who they are, yeah. Right. And, or I said, where are they from?

And he's like, well, it's this thing called Barbell Logic. And I'm like, ah, yes, we know Barbell Logic. We've had Matt Reynolds, we have, I'm like, we have a little podcast and we've had Matt Reynolds on on before and I mentioned rip and stuff Like that and he's like, oh cool. You never really asked any follow-up questions Well, he might not even know those people's names though like that's even might not actually That's what I found a lot of times people Google something like yeah

I'll go with this and they don't know the story which is fine But they don't know right people who are behind the stuff. That's I'm not really sure that he did, but I just thought it was interesting that he, you know, I could and then when it turns out, yes, he is being trained, but you know, by a group of people that do know how to lift, you know, that are aware of proper lifting and that's what's funny. I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, and then you said, all right, well, buddy, don't get used to this. No one will ever ask you what you're training again while you're here. Yeah, and you said, all right, well, buddy, don't get used to this. No one will ever ask you what your training again while you're here. Yeah, I did just leave it on like, I like awesome. And I was like, good luck. Keep keep on lifting.

I really thought you were going to say and he is now signed up for Mastinomics. Jim, I really thought that was my thought about I thought about saying, you know, you really should be coming and lifting with us. And I'm like, maybe if I talked to run into this guy again sometime, I'll bring that up on the second conversation. That was my thought. I was like, honestly, dude, you should come lift at Mastinomics Gym.

You know, I'd be doing you a favor, but I'm sure you don't know about it. And- It's like this way more, and it would probably make your training progress faster than you could ever imagine. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, so if I run into that guy again, I will probably bring that up. That's my commercial gym story Mmm current politics of the gym can big cadence beat Larry legend in a fight That's the age-old question isn't it? I I don't know what's going on there. You got to bring me up to speed here What's the how are we sitting? um, I Don't know. I think they're regularly well That is usually the source of those two's bickering is arguing over who's who?

Each of them saying that the other one isn't training as hard as they are So that's usually the sort of their friendly camaraderie is saying that the other guy isn't there as much as they should be or isn't. If they are there isn't. Yeah. If the other guy is there that they're dicking around when they're there. So I think they're just going to have to duke it out to find it out. I think there was even like this last weekend, Anthony might have or someone was talking about it

that there was a gauntlet thrown down that they might have had to have a squat off right there. Oh, there to see who could squat more. So damn. Yeah. I don't know if I'd want to get a squat off against Larry. Ah, Caden, I think seemed to think that he would beat him. I don't know. I mean, until you're throwing the dirt on Larry, he's gonna keep going. He's the classic. If he can't get it up for just one more set you might as well throw the dirt on him now That's right. Oh Favorite pro wrestler of all time. Do you have one?

Like I did I wasn't like a super huge wrestling fan as a kid. I mean, I watched it, but I wasn't like watching it every week. We've talked about this for two from a spectator standpoint. I always liked the guys that were like flipping and flying around and doing crazy stuff like that. But then I also liked- Ray Mysterio Jr. Yeah, I mean, yes, I liked him and like Rob Van Damme and the Hardy Boys, stuff like that. But from a theatric standpoint, I also always really like the

Undertaker. You know, he was this big, scary guy and really imposing. And he kind of always had this character to him. And then, of course, you know, Stone Cold's up there as far as just overall. Everything. But one of those one of those guys would be for sure up there overall everything. So one of those guys would be for sure up there for me. Actually, I did get into wrestling again when I was in middle school.

And at the time I did really like Triple H just because he was, I mean he was the man for a while. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would be it there. In hindsight for me it's so cold is that's what I want to say but at the time that's not really true because I wasn't really watching wwf. I was watching wcw more so it's not fair to me to say that it was stone cold But the more I see about that i'm like, uh, I of course I like everything about this guy like this would be

The guy, you know, but I really was watching more wcw in which case I don't I Don't know who I would say the guy is though. Like I I don't know. I don't really I like Goldberg Yeah, I mean he was everyone like Goldberg I do remember that yeah, it's probably fifth grade when it felt like Goldberg is like really hitting his prime and everyone just yeah, but That's all I that's all I got. I'm also not, I was not, I of course was aware of wrestling and watched some wrestling and stuff,

but I wasn't like that. D-Generation X, I mean every kid from like fourth to sixth grade just told everyone to suck it all the time. That was the battle cry of a generation. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. Tell me if we've done this one before, if we have, we'll skip it. Mount Rushmore of massonomics lore

All right, we'll do it we have we've done probably variations of this but all right, we're gonna pick four It's obvious lift shorts. We both would say lift short first on the list at this point Brian has to be on it Doesn't that's up there too. Yeah. Okay lift shorts and Brian are two locks to me in my eyes May you know, I don't know if we get definitive all four answers or not But like those two are obvious like nobody's Mount Rushmore should like almost not include those two things. I think yeah Yeah, I think the left shorts are a hundred percent on Brian's like a 95 to 98 percent on yeah There might be something better, but it'd be it'd be have to be something. I'm really missing to replace that but the next two What would the next to be?

Depends on what you consider lower to like is this like abbert like western northeast, South Dakota like that is that so broad? I know are we talking like some lore and also Depending on what level of fandom you're at There's things in the discord that live in infamy forever to write that to other people would not even be a thing But that's why I like lift shorts and then like Brian like mostly everyone got that even like our Casual fans on Instagram like I like the bride and stuff. Yeah Yeah, there was there was a brief period of throwaway culture. Remember that one? Yeah throwaway culture I don't know if it's up there though. There definitely be people that would like know what that is. Don't buy our hats Yeah, that was a thing too. I don't I wouldn't put it on the Mount Rushmore either though

You know, it's but do you say like, Paul said Aberdeen magazine, that's part of the lore as well. Right. Right. Yeah. Massonomics lore. Well, I'd also say just overrated, underrated. Like, do you consider that a lore thing? That actually does. Like, I would put that in the Mount Rushmore if you consider that lore. But I mean, I like it. I think we did it so much for so long that it almost

is in there somewhere. Yeah, it doesn't just it's just not quite as goofy storyline as some of the pieces where you can clearly right what's going on there. Or like what about just sparkling waters? Yeah, I mean, that's the same thing of it's just been around for so long. But it's Yeah, yeah, those are all four good ones though that for sure All right I see you have this as a topic so this is perfect from big Nate or wait now that one's next first

Mostly squat videos Matt He said after having surgery, how do you fill the empty void that was filled by the gym? I guess I talked about this and I have not found a way to be able to do that to be perfectly honest in that He said, after having surgery, how do you fill the empty void that was filled by the gym? I guess I talked about this and I have not found a way to be able to do that to be perfectly honest and that weighs on me mentally. I will be very excited even when I'm able to just go to the gym, not even to be able to squat and deadlift, but just go to the gym and lay down and bench and do some arms and do some curls and stuff.

I need that in my life for A, some physical benefit, but also just the mental benefit of like going to the gym and I kind of have to do something that's challenging me or else I feel like a piece of shit. Oh, dude, it's like a thing that I have said, like, like, if I just sit around all day, I feel like a piece of shit. Yeah. I know. You get the itch like I'm just wasting my life away. Here we go. I say that to my wife like three days after surgery and she's like, you can't be that hard on yourself. You literally can't walk. Like what do you expect? And I'm like, I know, but it's just the way I feel.

Like I have not done anything since I was like, I don't know five, you know, like for the late literally the last like 35 years, so I'm like just sitting around Then it makes me think it's what you said some people that is just their life too and I'm like, I don't know that's That would be terrible for me mentally So my answer is I have not filled the void and I really won't until I'm able to start going back because no other like non-physical hobbies can't fill the void for me. Like I can't like, I actually have tried reading, watching TV, uh, both of those do not,

like I can do those things. They do not at all fill that void for me though. Like, Oh, I don't know what other hobbies people like I could sit around and like, you know take up 3d printing or Right, but all those though like I would say maybe where some people get it Because none of those you're like and I don't mean this I don't mean this in a negative way But you're not like doing something you're kind of just sitting and consuming you know passive but yeah whereas like because I was gonna say is like some people have like oh I go work on my motorcycle or truck right you know like there you're doing like it's not like hard physical labor but you are doing something So like that would be a better example like working on the pickup could be an interesting me, but I also can't even do that exactly Yeah, that doesn't know

Like crocheting and knitting would be a type of thing I could do. And I'm like, obviously I don't do that. You know, I'm just starting to even think, what is it that people even do when they just sit around? Well, you know, I can take up like playing games and just watch shows. That's true. I guess that's my problem is I also don't play video games. Yeah.

This, if you were into video games, they'd be loving this last week because it's like, like if you're an adult and you're like, oh can't go to work can't do anything else I am just going to play video games for like 12 hours. Yeah Yeah, I guess actually that's probably what I should have but then I'm oh it's always like I even think the same thing was just Starting a show that I'm like I really can't commit like what am I gonna do watch two of these? 70 episodes and then never watch it again. Like what like I feel like that's a waste of Time it's like you could go eight hours a day for a few days. That's true. Give into it

That's also what keeps me away from video games though, too, because it's so hard now I'm like, what am I gonna do? Like by the time I even understand how to play I there is I Okay, there's not a lot of casual video games anymore, it feels like. Every video game has to be this just intense thing that you have to dedicate tens, if not hundreds of hours to, to be good at. That's where it's just... Yeah. There's not Mario.

You can't just sit down and play a few levels and have some fun and color quiz. Just getting the damn thing going takes 30 minutes. It feels like I did see for sale on Facebook marketplace NBA jam the arc like a stand-up arcade, you know one of those giant arcade versions Was it actually like old one or was it I don't think so I think it's like a remade one, but it has like the spots for four people to play Yeah, and I'm like For whatever reason I felt like I wanted that but I'm like I'm also smart enough to know I'm like By the time I played that for like 15 minutes. I'd be like, well, I'm never playing this again

And I think that's what happens to every person that's ever had my fun Yeah, like, you know people have those like in their basement or their man came was just decoration more than anything That's what I think it is. Like, um, but I did, I'm like, Oh, that really looks fun. But I'm like, it's also not coming over for parties. Everyone gets their 15 minutes of fun with it all the time. That's true. I guess that's when it actually is worth. That's what it's actually for.

Probably. Uh, your brother said, uh, can you talk about the cooler? That's the cooler with a K the cooler cooler the world's only cooler within a cooler the world's only cooler within a cooler talk about old Mastinomics Lord the cooler It went extinct as a matter of fact it went tits up it is now Yes, it's now just coolers with seas no more coolers with K's. I talked about this a couple hundred episodes ago But yeah, he did people that are where Stan efforting had the cooler the world's only cool Some people might not even know about the stand

Promoting that thing for a little bit. He talked about it a lot for a while. Oh, we did Yes, we did talk about the cooler a lot. He had booths at the world's only cooler within a cooler It's I mean that it's very novel. It's worth talking about. He had booths at the world's only cooler within a cooler. That's I mean that it's very novel It's worth talking about he had a booth at the Arnold with it. We actually interviewed him at his booth He made an appearance on Shark Tank and also made a deal. I believe with Damon on shark Damon John, right? Yeah, and You could say things were on the up and up but one day I think someone brought to our attention that have you heard much about the cooler lately? And then we looked at no yeah, it's because the cooler does not exist

Tommy it's your time to shine big Nate the technical guy wants to know We need new iPhone and Mac coverage. Oh well Tanner as of about four hours ago got a new phone here. Oh, let's see it Well looks I guess I know what I'm doing this week so I will say this all right I was I was what do you got there what is that thing I got a 16 no idea what 16 pro 16 pro is that the newest iPhone that is the newest iPhone is that the best one unless you want the ginormous screen which you won't that be called? 16 Pro Max. Yeah, I don't I don't like you know, I'm just one and that's a very very hard screen. Yeah That's a 16 Pro. Okay, how long has it been out? Month and a half. Okay pretty new pretty new

This is what you know, I sold you on it the last time because I said yeah if you traded they have this promotion This is like when they kind of start doing this you can get like 800 bucks off this thousand dollar phone it's only like $200 and this promotion came around and Leg on launch day their promotion was we'll give you like 700 bucks And you also have to we're basically locking into a three years on it, and I'm like okay, okay 700 and three years like that's shitty. I'm not doing that and so I was getting annoyed I'm like I don't even really need to upgrade my phone

I honestly don't care that much but I do like the idea of getting it mostly paid for when I can And you're saying you're saying seven hundred eight hundred. How much does that thing cost a thousand dollars? Okay. Yep, and So then I'm just kind of waiting it out. I'm like, well, I'm in no hurry. Something will come around and I did get a message So then I'm just kind of waiting it out. I'm like, well, I'm in no hurry. Something will come around. And I did get a message. Cause DeVries never does rise.

Never randomly text you offers. Yeah. Usually just like, yeah, there's just like, Oh, add a line and you can get a Apple watch for only a hundred bucks a month. It's like, Oh cool. Yeah. That's what I need. An expensive ass Apple watch.

And I'm here. Um, so I usually just ignore him, but they did. This was like on Saturday, sent me a text and it said, for a limited time, upgrade now and receive a thousand dollars towards the price of a new iPhone. I'm like, well, that's the thing the damn thing's paid for. That's a free iPhone. Yeah. I don't even have to put pen to paper.

I can tell you that's too good of a deal to pass up. So what do I do? Actually, my kids, my parents took my kids this last weekend. So I just had this mental sense of clarity. I had nothing but time on my hands. I went to the Verizon store. I said, hey, I'm ready to upgrade. And they go, oh yeah, we can help you out here.

Let's do this. I was the only one in there. I got in right away. And they go, okay, yeah, we can give you 700 bucks. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm gonna text you. You're saying, I'm gonna text right here so I can get a thousand.

Like, oh, let me see. What was all this one in a million talk? Yeah, whoa. I got a text here saying, I got a text right here saying I can get a thousand. Like, oh, let me see. What was all this one in a million talk? Yeah, yeah. And they go, oh, that offers online only. I'm like, so what? All right, see you later. I'm like, so what? I can't do this here.

I have to go home and do it. They're like, yeah, we can't take that in the store. So I drove home and 10 minutes later filled out the thing online. I had the stuff and the phone showed up today. Why would they what kind like what level and say of insanity is that that they're like no get it I don't yeah I don't know and actually yeah I don't know it's just dumb whatever but and I actually decided this was the year to upgrade my storage

and normally was on the 128 gig I jumped to 256 just cuz I like the idea of having all of my stuff. I had so that 1000 or then or is that that's that was like an extra 100 bucks, but then you spread it out, you know, you spread it out over three years. It's like $3 a month or something. So but so what did you have to pay them because you got 1000 and how much did the thing cost? Well, the thing was 1100. So all it will do is raise my bill three bucks a month for the next three years. Right, right, right.

Yeah, but I always just pay like this last time I pay for it. I don't put it in the bill. Well, I don't know if they let you do that on some of these now though. I think they make you because okay, they might actually last time I just wrote a check. They might just let you Yeah, yeah, but you are still locked in. You know, if you leave early, right, pay the remaining balance. But right. Mike, I'm not leaving

I've been to have the same cell phone right? That was the thing and then I was doing the math of oh cuz every time Verizon Changes the frickin name of the plans so then oh I'm on Playmore and now you need because that was also the other thing is Initially to do that was why I wasn't doing it right away to is because initially you had to be on there like unlimited Ultimate plan which raised the damn price of my bill, like 40 bucks a month. It's like, well, okay, you give me 700 bucks, but my bill goes up 40 bucks a month. I'm not coming out. Oh no, this one.

I didn't have to change my plan at all. So I was able to just keep what I'm on. So that, uh, so like when they say that, why do they tell you that you have to up your plan to that other one? Well, because it's just the phone right there. Like it's not, cause that's why though, because in order to get the deal, you have to up your plan to that other one? Well, because it's like that's just the phone. Yeah, like it's like, because that's why though, because in order to get the deal, you have to do that. You had to. And that was like the first month and a half. And now that was also what

sold me on this is it said, like, you know, eligible on on certain unlimited plans. Well, the current plan I'm on was eligible. So I didn't have to change it either. Right, right, right. Okay. So, is that still running? Like, if I need to do it, is that still a thing? Yeah, well, I got the offer texted to me, but if you go into your Verizon app and go to, it's like My Access, it probably has the offer

in there for you, I'm sure it's sitting waiting. Or you could be like me and just like, pop into My Access and see it regularly, and then it never comes, and then eventually the text comes, because I'm sure they know you're looking at that page of the app, and like, oh, this person's this close to buying. Let's just close the deal. That's what I had seen people say like pop up and this was a little while ago on Reddit. It was like, oh, just check your my access. Eventually a deal will pop in there and it did happen to me. Yeah. So is it like to Nate's question then does your life feel a lot different now that you have that one? Well, it's only been a few hours. The biggest change in my life is there's a different case on my phone. So that really is what feels the most different out of

everything. Otherwise, I just have cameras is to tell me is, I don't know anything about it. Is the camera better and I can say the camera is better. The camera is better. I can say that for sure. There is some weird things where I, you know, it has the dynamic island It has the little pill at the top instead of the notch Okay, maybe not a way out that all there's a pill now Which is could add some kind of wacky animations in there. It hasn't always on screen

So even when it's off the screen is still kind of on which is kind of trippy You can turn these things off too. And then what was the other thing that threw me? Oh, we got new buttons. Now the the silent, the the silent switch is now an actual button. And so you hold it down to turn your phone silent, or you can tap that button to basically program it to something. And on the side of the phone, there's an actual real camera button now. So you just have a permanent camera button on the side of your phone that does some stuff too.

They should have put a button right here in the middle like right on the front. You know add a chin back on do a big circle button. Now we're talking oh and now it's actually a USB-C plug instead of lightning. Lightning's gone now so. I don't like it when they change all the plugs. Yeah USB-C is the way to go though. Yeah That's probably what they said about lightning at the time Well, I mean that was over ten years ago and at the time yes It was actually because do you remember the long ass plug on those old?

I still miss the really long was it the 30 pin. I think is what they called it. Yeah Those things were crazy looking back now how big those were Well, we still have some at the gym that use that actually that's actually yes, you're right. Yeah What about the Mac is that a computer Um, yeah, the Mac is a computer that didn't announce some new stuff this week, but tell you what Tanner you're on it, too You're on an M1 Mac. I'm on an M1 Mac Max is the name of the chip, I believe. And, you know, spent a lot of money on it four years ago. I'm on the damn thing all day, every day, editing videos, editing photos, designing stuff, making websites, doing all types of

creative things. And outside of exporting the podcast, I basically don't wait for my computer ever for anything. So- Right now, already you're saying. Already I don't, the only time I wait for my computer is when it's exporting a two and a half hour podcast. Then it'll take it like, you know, over a little over an hour to export. But like when we do a 30 minute 4K YouTube video,

like those might take 10 minutes to export and that's still like really low key in the scheme of things. So yeah, I mean, I will upgrade my computer sometime in the next few years, but it's still just so like I've spent like 3500 bucks on a computer before and after a year been like, yeah, there's still a lot that could be improved here and that is not the case anymore. All right, now I gotta look at these phones. And you, you got you a battery life sufferer. I was not in that Yeah, I was not suffering from that. I checked my phone here, my old one, my battery life health was still like 85% after

three years. When I checked that mine still good too. I think it's mostly I just use mine so damn much that my battery never lasts. Yeah. Is the battery any better? Oh yeah, they always make improvements on the battery. So you know.

That's my biggest thing. I want the battery to be 10 times better. Well. Like, I'm actually. That's probably too much to ask for, but. I'm completely fine with the way that the screen looks and what the camera does. What I want them to make is the camera twice or the

Battery lasts twice as long Well, if that's the only concern the max typically does last longer because it's bigger so they can put a figure I do not like that. I know now it's like Damn thing in your pants and it's it's huge. Yeah Someone asked if we will use the old t-shirt blanks again at all or will all the new designs be on the new blank? Yes, we'll be some of both going forward. We'll always Know to what's what but it will not be all the quote-unquote oversized. I say oversized I don't even know if that's the right I don't even have maybe just a boxier fit

It's just not as fitted as the as the arms are But we will do both. What's more southern South Dakota or Arkansas? Arkansas. I mean, Arkansas for sure. Like for sure. I mean, we have South in our name, I suppose. Besides that, that's where the southern tendencies and.

Yeah, Justin asked, does Southern tendencies and. Yeah. Justin asked, does Larry Legend really exist or has he been a figment of our imagination this whole time? Dude, I haven't seen way for so long. I don't even know. Larry is like it's like the sixth sense where they're like nobody else has ever really like. You don't actually see Larry interact with other people like it's like oh my god Larry was a ghost the whole time Spoiler alert Larry was a ghost the whole time, but no one else could see him. Yeah

Jefferson deadlift only event at lift hard live easy classic three easy We have the technology now. I don't think Jefferson only but Jake has been releasing events and there is Jefferson deadlifting involved incorporated there. Not too many weeks until that's it coming up in November when registrations going to come out actually. By the time you're hearing those registrations only a couple weeks away. Yeah. On that semi on that note too we mentioned crew falls either we've actually finalized some things

We got our Saturday night location planned out. What's the name of that brewery that we're going to Saturday? So Saturday night for everyone coming to town for crew falls we have Reservations we have a room. We have a party room remedy brewing downtown Sioux Falls Yep should accommodate the big crowd that we have signed up for that So if you are a crew member too, that's not too late, you can still get signed up for crew falls, you just have to be

wanting to come to Sioux Falls on December 7 is the main day. I actually touched base with big Casey at what's the name of the gym? Los Campiones. Yeah, we're all set to go there. Everyone's just gonna have a online waiver they need to need to we've got the admission covered figured out and covered for everyone. Nobody needs to pay anything or just gonna have to sign a waiver.

For him to give away your first breakdown or content plan for him. Yep, we talked about the comp. He's very excited about everything. So that's all I've been keeping well Colton lifts there. But yeah, I've been keeping an eye they have a lot of I've got a good setup for us. They do they got a ton of arsenal machines in there I know those are pretty hyped up. They got you know, I got combo racks. They got strong They got two or three ghost combo racks in there

Yeah nowadays seen a ghost combo new I feel like isn't something that you run across too often They got a full and like the power lifting stuff obviously excited, but we have that stuff So it's not as novel or as some of this these other items are Not something we see too often Yeah, so that's all all coming together really nicely and more people are signing up now too. So It's on our website if you want to get signed up for that Doesn't cost anything other than whatever you got to pay to get there and to stay but that Brewery is really close to the

hotels downtown. Yeah, it's like a lot of people are staying at the Hilton Garden Inn and it's within like a block and a half of that. So easy walk. And then on Friday, I think are we are we're gonna go to Tommy's home gym. Yeah, the plan right now is Friday when people get to town will go eat lunch, I think I might have a little spot picked out for us Tanner. Okay, we'll eat lunch

I think a lot of people are showing up around noon ish So we'll have a little get-together there with whoever's here and then I think Friday afternoon will go hang out in Tommy's garage gym for a few hours and We were talking. I don't know. Maybe we do a little grip challenge or something, you know, maybe maybe we get some prizes involved. I don't know. I could see that being a fun way to spend an afternoon and then Friday night. We'll figure out something for Friday night. We don't we don't got that pinned down yet, but we'll get we'll get that figured out, too. We also have multiple Hall of Fame inductees that weekend that are making it into the jacket level Hall of Fame that will be awarding those also multiple people that making it into the

Silly pint the 12 achievement level so have a little ceremony for all of those people that weekend It's actually shaping up to be quite the fun weekend in true falls. Yeah. Yeah Historic, uh, I wonder if we should kick everyone off for this lot We got some really exciting final stuff here so that way these people all have to turn in to listen to the recording when it comes out too. Just give me one reason. I don't want them not downloading the episode and costing us RSS subscriber feed numbers. Just tanking our numbers taking our numbers if the ten people don't also download that so when it comes out

Multiple people in here mentioned talking about the election, you know, so of course, we're not going to do that They actually though. I mean as jokes. Yes, like it's all people that like you British David it's new people and they want to take on things. No, British. British David says he just said the election. And I know that's at least the second I just glazed over most of those. But nice. Yeah, I saw something good.

It was like, oh, God, maybe maybe it was on SNL. And they're like. Oh, thank God the election is, you know, next week. That means we only have to deal with this for like another year still. Or basically just forever. Kind of. Yeah. It's like, like now it's just, oh, I've had multiple times in the last couple

of months where someone adds me on Instagram and I think, oh yeah, I'll add you to, and then I'm like, oh fuck. Like just sometimes I think of Instagram as my little safe spot and then I just have just your pulse and your story or nothing but just every regurgitated talking point. I'm like, yep, we'll just turn this off and I'll pretend you never exist anymore.

Like you're not getting in, not entering my brain with your garbage you got going on here. Yes. Someone says just agronomy as a general topic. We haven't really talked enough agronomy. Where to start? Yeah. I'll take this one Tanner.

Harvest is actually kind of wrapping up here. Is it done? For the most part. not everyone's done, but within the next week, I think a large percentage of people will be done. I was actually asking you about this though. You said the commodity market, not super hot at the moment. Rises suck balls.

Nobody's wants to sell anything. It causes a bit of an issue for loan or payment time when nobody wants to sell because the prices suck. They're not liquid anymore. So people wanna hold. The problem with holding without a plan, you don't have to be a genius to figure out what the problem is, is you're holding

because you're hoping that the prices are gonna go up. And I'm not a predictor of this if I actually predict. And it's not like the stock market where you can hold forever. You're holding a perishable item, right? That's there's a cost to holding. Yeah, like there's multiple cost to holding I mean, how long could a person like right now if someone harvests How long could someone actually hold on to something for if it's it can the grains properly conditioned and it's in the right You know if it's in a bin with air and stuff like that

You could get away with and it's not not going in wet if it's in the right, you know, if it's in a bin with air and stuff like that, you could get away with and it's not going in wet if it's dry, you could get away with holding it for a really long time in theory without more than six months. Yeah, yeah, for more than a year. Yeah, you do that actually hold things for more than a year. Yeah, sometime you'll hear stories and usually this is just people with loads of money that you know that will have like, yeah, that bin over there has corn from two years ago. Really? Like people can't hold them that long. Yeah, you can. But, I mean, there's still a risk to it. It's incredibly expensive to be holding on to stuff too. Yeah, and also just to like store it,

there's a cost of storing it in the first place. You have to truck it there and you have to truck it out of there and the labor and the time and everything like that. But also, like what I'm saying is You know, we don't know that the market's gonna go up Sometimes people hold it to sell it for even less later when they have absolutely no choice then Yeah, you know like if we knew the market was gonna go up. Yeah, this is no different than timing stock market, right?

I said exactly the same thing. We're talking about right, right? so That's kind of an overarching issue. You know, the general egg economy economy with the prices kind of sucks right now. You know, it's it's down, generally down turning, I would say. And okay, you know, what it's been like, because commodities aren't necessarily at the whim of, of

the economy, right? Like, I guess, I mean, it's all attack. It is part of the economy. I'm not is part of it, though. Is it like an oversupply? Is that what you were telling me? Yeah, that's usually like, as far as the well, true economics of it. The supply demand thing is like the overarching thing that's going on. And it also depends on how much we're the overall supply demand thing is like the overarching thing that's going on. And it also depends on how much we're the overall demand in terms of like, what are the markets for this particular

grain? Like, are we able to export? Does China want it? Will China take it? Like, what's the tariff situation? And then what's the domestic market? Like, can we turn it into ethanol? Is the government support subsidizing ethanol programs? Is the local? Crop like that's yes, and that's back to the supply side of it. What's the you know, it's a global supply issue So then you get in pockets like locally it's like well What are we talking about our crops sucked this year and it's like

Begill to like you're saying well like you could be in pockets of that but then And then it's a bad yield too, like you're saying? Well, like you could be in pockets of that. But then overall, though, the national average yield was quite, quite good. So it's like, yeah, we're experiencing the shitty prices because of this large glut of supply. So there's an oversupply. Yeah, but we don't even have the oversupply

because we were in a spot that, and I'm not actually saying us, because a large part of the Dakotas grew pretty good crops this year, but that can happen. Some parts didn't. They might've had hail damage, or just drought, or flooding, or whatever it was.

And it's like, yeah, the prices went down because of all the supply, and we don't even actually have the supply. It's just like getting hit twice, basically. Yeah, yeah. But there is way more factors that there than I understand but that's you know, some of the at least That's the 10,000 foot view and that is the economy baby. Yeah Yes, so yeah, that's overall though prices low

Sucks makes people less excited about selling their crop which causes other issues then up and down the chain. Yeah Wow, that is that is interesting. I actually know but if also people that forward market enough of their crop It's not as big of a deal because if you say that you mean like they locked in prices at a certain time Yeah, so, you know a lot of times people do that within a year's, a year out, people will be marketing their next year's crop. So the people that locked in last year are probably sitting pretty decent then? Right, right, they locked in at a much better price than what the market is today,

in which case the classic thing is, you know, like, my only regret is I didn't sell more, you know? But typically... Why didn't I buy Apple stock in 2005? What was I thinking? And it's like, like, this is the thing, sometimes people make no decision, they end up cashing in the best

because the market price that harvest ends up, it's more rare, but the whatever conditions in the market, the harvest price is the best that was all year. So then those that forward contracted, actually lost out on some, but the idea is you forward contract your total potential in segments and you do it anytime when you know you can forward contract. You're not it's not 100% or zero like you can do.

No right right you should be doing chunks and anytime you know that that price is above your break even you know at a price that is more than what your expenses are, that's a win. You know, and then it's like, but that's why you had a profitable business. Yeah, but maybe it's not way above. So maybe you only market 10% right now and you wait until that, you know, and then like, oh, the market goes up, I'm going to market 10% more of my crop. And you know, like, that's what a lot of people will do is market in chunks like that.

And there's calls and puts in a million different ways to market the crop. But for the basic part, those that are forward contracting are experiencing more success in the long term than those that just do whatever the it's like actually completely insane that people will take all of their potential rever revenue for the year and just say, Nope, I'm just going to do at whatever the prices when I take it out of the field. 26 and we'll see what happens. That's what it's like and these are enormous businesses Which are actually just small family businesses, but in terms of dollar amount or enormous. We're talking tens of millions. Yeah

At the very least like even in very small cases It's still hundreds of thousands of dollars and like their livelihood that people will just be like, Oh, no, no, we'll see what it's like then. Yeah, that is wild. Yeah. And there's people all up and down the gamut, of course, of like those doing it really well, those doing it really poorly, and a bunch of people in between. So it's just like everything, I guess. That was a lot of agronomy. My wife said cacti.

The only thing I would add about cacti is have you seen Jujie who's been posting his cactus. He's had several, several call-outs of his cactus hasn't he? I like those how he treats it almost like it's another person at his gym. Yes, he brings it around, like he's, it almost like it's another person at his gym Yes, he brings it around like he's it seems like it's always moving He'll bring it time. It's outside at the barn the next time. It's in the gym like it then it's like the driveway Yeah, it's always around. I do like that. We actually did get some cactus talk in there then too Okay, let me come back around and see if there's anything else here

Okay, last one then Tommy How many post-lift beers makes me an alcoholic? Oh, well, 12 is just to get to a good time. I was gonna say, you have to be 13. I think 13 makes you an alcoholic. If you're 12, that's a perfectly normal baseline. If you're going 13 after every lift, that might be alcoholics.

I don't know, 13 might just be like you're having a little more fun is all, you know. That's where I wouldn't even be concerned until you get, like you don't even think. You're in the safe zone still at a 12-er all day. Don't even think about that question unless you're over 12, greater than 12. 13 is when you're starting to go on the road to,

you know, that's like the road to the road. Right. That's when you can start to think about it. Pol polishing off a couple sixers or a full 12 or a flat of 12s, you know, that's fine I got just priming the pump for Honestly, yeah It would really be like the you know, if you're in that 13 to 24 range depending on height weight tolerances Yes, your individual experience, experience level. But it's somewhere it lies somewhere.

The answer lies in there. If you I mean, if you're a full 30 rat kind of guy, I'm actually just impressed. I don't even think you're an alcoholic at that point. You might just really good at drinking. You might have gone past the scale back. Yeah. Yeah. You're way out of the bell curve all together that you're in your own curve.

You've broke the system. If you're a full 30, you always hear out of the bell curve altogether that you're in your own curve. Yeah, you've broke the system. If you're a full 30, you always hear stories. It's like, yeah, he drank a full, he drank 30 beers that night. You know, it's, but looking back on it though, like you look at those days where you'd be like, oh, we're going to like, for whatever reason, there's a party or something going on. Like it's a homecoming type weekend. And it's like, oh, we started playing beer darts at like 11 o'clock and you know

All of a sudden you put down like eight beers, you know quick and then it's like well I'm kind of having a good time So then you can coast on a few more and it's like not that far into the day and you've had 12 beers already You know and then it's like I don't know you just kind of keep them slowly going in and then it's like well now It's nighttime now. It's time to party again, and then you, and then it's like, I don't know, you just kind of keep them slowly going in. And then it's like, well, now it's nighttime. Now it's time to party again. And then you pile them on. It's like, yeah, that was a 30 rack of stones by the end of the day.

And also it's keystone like or Bush, right? There's basically water anyways. So you kind of imagine how shitty you would feel the next day if you drink like 20 beers now. Oh, now I feel just so God awful. But actually though, I will say this though so if I stuck to just straight-up light beers the whole time though as Shooties I would feel it wouldn't be like if I went and it was just doing shots and crazy stuff all night like that like that Yeah, just in case if I was if I was hitting if I was doing shots and mixed drinks and beer and just mix it

At all all night, then I would be in trouble the next day big time. Yeah, I mean, let's be real I'd still be in trouble if I did 20 beers in a day, but That's some pretty heavy drinking honestly that is but you know depending on how far you spread it out You know it If it's an all-day, 20 is not like undoable. I think the biggest reason I don't get there anymore is because that's what I'm unable to do is do it for that long.

Like I just don't like drinking for that long anymore. That's my thing. You know, I'm like, if we're gonna go out and do it, I'm like, yep, I'm up for the party, I'm down. But I'm like, what, we're gonna start drinking at 11? And like, we're gonna drink at noon, and like, what, I'm gonna go out at midnight? No, like that's absolutely impossible.

And that was the thing is you'd start at noon and you'd go till like three in the morning. It's just there. It's like, well, I was awake for 14 hours, even if I drink a beer an hour, which isn't that many, I drink 14 beers, even if I drink a beer an hour, which isn't that many, I drink 40 years, you know, right. So that's a great answer to that question, if I don't say so

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But I'm just hoping it's not windy cuz I don't know about there, but today it was kind of windy here and it felt cold And we just do inside trick-or-treating things anyway, so doesn't really matter other than going to like family ones We know we do like my work does one That kids they could just get an absolute disgusting amount of candy like way more candy like wolf Give like try and give away most of the candy because it's so much more candy than they could ever even possibly eat My kids just the candy starts showing up and it's just infects their brain. It's the only thing it's just all consuming It's the only thing they can think of as long as there's candy around.

When can they get to more candy? They just can't even think about anything else. It does not matter what's going on. It's just candy is the only thing they can think of. But we pretty much go down the street. I mean, we cover like about a two block area is all. And that's like last year, I think I said this, my boy, like we got to the first house, they gave him candy

and he was like, all right,'re done like this. I got like thanks All right. Yeah, we're actually going to more places like he could walk his head around that you're getting more candy here Yeah, I thought if I could do like a peg-legged pirate thing I could pull off a pretty good real sick costume, but I Don't ain't nobody got time for that I don't ain't nobody got time for that. So that's Halloween. This will come out in November and we'll start to talk more about those registration dates, opening up for early for exclusively for massonomic supporting members for the lift hardly easy classic in 2023.

Make sure to check out our drop. We talked about the items in there. I'm wearing the hoodie. We've got the T in there and the couple couple new pairs of shorts. I love the shorts They're the best shorts we've ever had and that's by a long ways. We kind of custom made those and between The material the density the length the inseam the pockets the drawstring the waistband The size options the material itself. Yeah.band, the size options.

The material itself. Yeah, yeah. There's the colors. The printing on these is really good. It's better than all of the printing we've had in the past before on these. So check out those shorts for real Zs. Tommy, where do they find you at?

You can find me at tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at tanner underscore bear.. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Bear. Just make sure to follow Mastinomics at Mastinomics. Enjoy. ["The Rock and Roll Band"]