Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 451: Dr. Pak - The Grizzly's Handler & Scientific Training

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! aside everything. Massonomics. Yeah. Welcome everyone for episode 451 of the Massonomics podcast, the Lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from the corners of the Dakotas, listened and viewed by millions around the globe. Tommy, you really almost tricked me on that one, waiting until the last.

I'm like, wait a minute, hit the button. I didn't know if even the sound came through to you or not. Yeah. Yes, it came through. We are here for episode 451. We have an exciting guest this week. We're gonna talk with big Dr. Pack here in a little bit. And we've got, we've quite honestly got more topics that we're even, than we're even going

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texaspowerbars.com and take advantage of those Black Friday deals. Thank you, Texas Power Bars. It's my kind of play. See, I don't know any other words that song besides you know who sings it. Toby Heath. Rest in Power. I actually wouldn't have known that until we did the podcast. When he died and you said that I'm like, I actually didn't have known that until we did the podcast When he died and you said that I'm like actually didn't know for sure who sang that song. So now I got it remembered Stored in the permanent spank bank, it's locked up in there locked up tight. Yeah. Okay. I gotta say something Things first we got a lot. We got a lot of can you put can you put the first things first? The first thing is gonna go first here. There's a lot on this list we might not get through all of them

But I gotta say speaking of black Friday speaking of ads dude I don't know have ever had a product advertised more to me on social media than this frickin freak athlete reverse Nordic hyper device It's like and I didn't a bunch of those. Well, this is what's weird. I thought the black one with orange writing. Yes. Yes. And it's like a table and you can do like Nordics, but you can also do like back extensions and like 50 other things on it. It must be spending a fortune on it. But that's the thing though. This is where it's weird is I always, cause I see ad,

my brain goes and flips it by, but it just, it has hit a level this week that I can't ignore anymore. And it finally, I finally realized I'm not getting, actually now I am getting ads from them too, but the ads Gluck is running his own ads for that product. Okay. Garage Gym Reviews are running their own ads for that product.

And like three other influencers I've never heard of are also running ads for that product, which makes me- We're even doing it and we didn't realize that. Yeah, damn it, are also running ads for that product, which makes me- We're even doing it and we didn't realize it. Yeah, damn it. You're running ads for it too, which makes me think their affiliate code must be paying out amazing because I've never, like, I don't see anyone else running ads for any rogue equipment, you know? Well, I mean, I think that's the most interesting part.

They're literally paying for ads. Yes, that's what's crazy about it. So unless there's something I'm misunderstanding, I guess they could actually be paying like free. I was just going to say that's probably what's going on because yes, what's happening. They can leverage their reach versus their own lack lack of, you know, like, obviously leveraging their reach, but even to a, that's an interesting concept actually, like leveraging their, their account for paid ads versus their own account for paid ads. It's kind of an interesting concept actually, like leveraging their account for paid ads

versus their own account for paid ads. It's kind of an interesting thought. It is, it is. And I mean, not that that's anything new or anything, but God, it's just like hit a level that's, I've never seen it on a product before. It is so much to the point where now it has annoyed me and I don't want to buy the damn,

even if I thought it was- How much does it cost? I think it's on sale- I have no idea. For like, is it 600 bucks or something? Okay, that's actually fair then. I was gonna say is it under over 800? It's probably a fine product.

It seems to be reviewed well and everything, but dude, the ads too much. Too many of them. They're coming from all angles. I can't stop them. That could be a product that's not with what we have at Massanomics Gym. There's absolutely no use for something like that.

In a home gym, I could totally see it. Yeah, yeah, I could see it. Damn, that thing is advertised hard right now. Yeah. Yeah, Big Keith has a, or what's he showing here? Oh, he's just showing the ad. Yeah, with a little picture of you. See, you are in on it.

And here I am. There's a picture of you right on it. Yeah. Here, you're actually doing it. That's what, how much are they paying you? Make sure you use code Masanomics. You can say big there today. What deal did you work under the table without me knowing actually scratch I don't use code Mastinomics use code Tommy Tommy D

Tanner will get his time 11% off it's a mail-in rebate though. Yeah, it's like all good things are yeah, I Have a hundred different things I could talk about, but one I just wanted to mention. Obviously, we've talked about this many times. Everyone knows this, but here's the scenario. Going to get coffee through a drive-through thing, you know, like any one of those places that you go to. Starbucks, Scoot-A-Boo. We have scooters. Is that, or we have, there's another new one in town that Oh, pretty nice. Like, what is that new one? Iggy's or Izzy's or I think it's something like Ziggy's. Yeah, I haven't been Ziggy's. And Jack, my son, I deal with him. He did some this and that and I take him to go get one and I already have I'm already conditioned I'm like no these drinks are expensive so I'm not gonna get caught off guard by the

drink being expensive because I know these drinks cost don't spoil anything but here's the thing in my head I'm like I know these drinks cost like five dollars so it's not gonna it's not gonna like bother me when we go do it because I already know it. So we get in line, drive through, ask him his order. I say, what size do you, you know, we order it. I'm like, what size? He's like, I don't know, medium. And I say medium. And they're like, well, that's 20 or 24. And I wasn't even really thinking at the time, but those are huge. First of all, for like 20, it seems like a big medium to me. Yeah, that's yeah. So I'm like, ah, 20 is fine. And we go, they go they say okay pull around to your price

We'll have your price for you at the window and at the time I'm like, why don't you have it for well? They never tell you they never tell you at the thing I think it's well I don't I think it's because a lot of them are taking the orders and making shit at the same time So they don't have the number up. I think I don't know fair But that seems to be a thing that happens at all coffee places So that's my so we get there is this one medium 20 20 ounce drink. And do you dare to take a guess of a blended drink?

I think so. OK, a medium blended 20 ounce drink only because I went through this with my I don't get those. I went through this with my wife a few months ago and I was absolutely in shock at Starbucks. At Starbucks, I think it was like 8.25 or 8.50. It was 8.25. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I mean, obviously I paid, I said, I want to be like, I was in shock.

What I actually did is pulled out my credit card, paid, didn't say a word to the lady and drove away. But in my mind, I'm like, what is going on here? going on here? And this is with me knowing, you know, I thought I was conditioned to know these are expensive and not be thrown off. And then I'm like, you just somehow exceeded what I thought the mark was by like another 50%. And now I'm like, that literally is the price

of like a burrito from Kidoba. Well, actually not quite, but it's getting close to it. Yeah, dude, I don't, it's insane. The only thing I will get at those places, first of all, I always get the smallest drink ever. And at most, I go once a week, okay? Like a lot of times I don't go, like I might go two or three weeks without anything. But then like, okay, maybe there's a week or two

where I'll go multiple, or two weeks in a row. But all I ever get is I get just the smallest size cold brew when it's nice. That's my drink. Straight up cold brew, nothing in it, I want cold brew. If it's cold out, then I'm usually either looking at just a straight up coffee or an Americano. That's what I'm getting.

Every rare, rare, like probably twice a year, I'll do like a latte or something. But none of the crazy stuff. And like basically all those small drinks are usually $5 or they're usually between four and $5, which still is a ton of money for cold brew for them to go 450. Like there's not alcohol in this stuff.

It's just straight up coffee. You know, there's nothing fancy here. So this blended thing, I'm like, you can go to the fanciest like ice cream shop Anywhere and like can you even purchase a shake that like be like give me the craziest thing on your menu Do they even have something that costs eight dollars like if you go to Dairy Queen you're saying? Wherever yeah, I don't know actually the largest I don't know if like a large blizzard at Dairy Queen cost eight dollars I know way it doesn't cost eight dollars

But yeah, you might be right it it probably is less than eight still and I Totally get that. I'm just an old guy yelling at Whatever old guy you also totally get how some people are broke their entire life. Well That's let's all be honest. I know I'm not or there's a lot of people that actually enjoy those and get those. And I don't want to yuck other people's yums. But that's insane. Can even the people that get those, can we all agree that's absolutely it is?

It is absolutely crazy. Like, yeah. Yeah, like something's broke. Something I honestly think is broken. That a 20 ounce coffee drink costs like eight to nine dollars. Like, what's going on here? Something's not right. And even if you gotta pay your laborers, Who's in on this?

Even if you're paying your laborer 16 dollars an hour, it's like, oh, they have to sell two drinks, and we've damn near comped our hour of work. How are so many people in on this that it's normal, and I've been over here on the sidelines, and they just catch me off guard. It's that addiction, people just get used to Thinking that it's something they have to do and now they do it

Now I'm gonna go back next time. I'm gonna be like, okay I guess these are like seven or eight dollars now and the next time I go through the line They're gonna be like that'll be eleven dollars. Oh, yeah, you got the twenty ounce one last time. This is the twenty four ounce one It actually gets more expensive. It doesn't even scale correctly. It just gets more expensive the bigger it gets. Yeah, it's marginally more expensive. It costs more per ounce to get the bigger one. Okay, so just wanted to get that out there

because that's nuts. So I just want that document. So just carefully your coffee prices out there is what you're trying to say. That is absolutely insane. You know what, you gotta do. You still a good deal always. These bad boys right here. What do you got? Yeah. Your coffee prices out there is what you're trying to say. Absolutely insane. You know what? You gotta do. You're still a good deal always.

These bad boys right here. What do you got? Yeah. I got a little lime LaCroix. Oh, just a second. Can you tell everyone about that LaCroix? I wanna grab something that would be timely here for this actually.

Well, the lime LaCroix. First time I've had this one in a couple of weeks and always a crispy crack, always delicious. Oh, okay, we're getting updates here from Keith. Whoo, in the Discord. This is a little follow-up on Blizzard pricing. I don't know, okay, Keith. Keith, where is this information coming from?

Is this, yeah, DoorDash pricing. Yeah, a mini Blizzard is not, okay, Keith was trying to tell us a mini Blizzard is $7. A mini Blizzard is $7 on DoorDash pricing, yeah, a mini Blizzard is not, okay, Keith was trying to tell us a mini Blizzard is $7. A mini Blizzard is $7 on DoorDash. It is not $7 at Dairy Queen, so yeah. I don't think Keith is trying, Tanner just rejoined here. Keith was trying to justify. Wrong again, Keith!

Keith is giving DoorDash pricing, which is always like 50% more. He's giving bogus information like he always does, trying to throw us off. What I wanted to show everyone is this is Black Friday coming up soon and we do have a special deal. We have a bunch of deals going on with Black Friday but one of them is with every order at least the first four or five hundred orders you get a free koozie. Lifting department koozie baby. Yeah the lime green lifting department koozie. Do you have one of these bad boys yet, Tommy?

Mm. I do hear somewhere in my giant pile of Black Friday stuff that I have to attend to. Yeah. And also the official follow-up, Ryan did have it. A large Oreo Blizzard at Dairy Queen, $7. That has actual stuff in it. You know, there's actual products in it besides ice and liquid coffee and sugar. Yes. All right. Should we talk about Black Friday a little bit? Yeah, we probably should.

So try and cover most of the stuff that's's gonna be going on with our Black Friday sale. I would first of all start by saying, this is our biggest drop of the year. It's our biggest sales weekend of the year by far. It's important to us, so if you've ever considered supporting us, Black Friday would be an awesome time to purchase something. Some might say it's make or break, actually.

This is pretty serious. It's sort of where we make our nut for the year Lot of going on during black. It's made on this one and The more we nut the better when it comes to Black Friday, and I always say So first of all free lifting department koozie with every order while supplies last but we have pretty good supply so Supplies should last for that. I also think for the first 100 orders, those will get another free little gift.

Oh, we do have a little collection of goodies we've been sending. Yeah, what do you think about the magnets? We've got two magnets, and I was, you know, we've got two different style magnets 50 each so 100 total I wondered about the first hundred orders each get one of those magnets. I think that's a good idea. That's a good show those magnets. Yeah, why don't we? Okay. So it's a very engaged group here. Yeah. So the first hundred orders each get a magnet. You'll either get the deadlifter can magnet that's kind of a

stack of them there you see the deadlifter can magnet or the natural for life magnet and that'll be the first 100 orders when our Black Friday drop hits and then every order also gets a lifting department koozie. So first hundred orders get the magnet, first 400 orders all get a koozie, and then we're gonna have a few items on sale that hadn't been on sale previously, and there won't be a discount code needed for those. You actually got to figure out exactly what those items are, but there's a couple things we're gonna put on sale that we hadn't put on sale before. So check the sale tab and then new items.

We have how many things here? One, two, three, four, five. Wait, I already lost count. That's how many there are, six, seven, eight. I'm counting like nine, eight or nine new things that we've got going for sale with the draw. Yep, that'd be correct. There's going to be two brand new pairs of shorts. One of them though is only available you will not

find it normally on our website, it will only be available to our supporting member crew. We will post a link to that in our discord. That is the only way that you will get in on that. That particular pair of shorts. It is crew exclusive. Hyper exclusive. The other pair of shorts will be available for everyone. Even the normie, even you normies out there,

you can get the other shorts. And they are both mesh shorts on the blank that we've loved with, that we had the squat shorts on and the lifting department shorts all printed on. Okay. Talked about the shorts. Uh, we have two new teas coming. One of the teas is on our boxier fit blank.

And one of the teas is on our classic athletic fit blank. They're both, they're different designs. It's not the same T on two different blanks. It's two different, two different designs, but offering two different blanks. So depending on what kind of blank guy or gal you are We've got something for either one of you Let's not show the shirts off because I don't have any in arms reach. Okay. I Also don't have the shorts in arms reach so we won't show I do have there's something we need to show I do have them right here. There's something you have everything there, okay

well, I don't know what we want to show but we do have a new crew neck sweatshirt and a Zip-up hoodie sweatshirt both coming for sale and I do have the crew neck right here so I could show that. Yeah I've actually worn this in At least one video. I'm afraid to wear mine until I take photos, because I just have a feeling I'll put a giant stain on it. Yeah. So the crew neck is the lifting department crew neck in this. What do you kind of what kind of blue do you think this is, Tommy?

That's just kind of a sort of a sort of a faded blue, a denim blue. Faded? I don't know. Faded Navy blue? Yeah, something like that. I forget what the official color is called. Yeah, I really like that particular color It's the work in hard blue. That's right as big Alex said I really like that crew neck I've worn it once or twice and I'm a big fan of that crew neck We also have

Do we want to say what this is? We can, we can say what it is. Okay, we also have a new Fanny pack. It's been a while, we only did an exclusive run of Fanny packs last year for the Lift Hard Liv Easy Classic and those sold out pretty quickly. And we have a new one. I think it's even better than the old one, honestly. This one feels very premium.

It's quite nice. Yeah, this one is really nice. I'm really happy. We weren't exactly sure what we were getting into on this and it turned out really good. So this new fanny pack is the cat's ass. It's nice. All right.

Oh, and a hat. Hmm. I almost forgot we got a new hat too. Yeah, I don't have the hat yet. Still waiting for it to show up. Oh, it's on the way to you. Yeah, it's on the way to you. I'm actually very excited for that hat.

So the only thing we showed off was the crew neck. Should I show off? Should we show one more thing? Should I show off one of the tees? Yeah, well, which one do you think? The colored one or not the colored one? You may be the colored one. I really like that one.

The suspense is killing me and I even know what it is. All right. I haven't worn this yet, but I been like saving this for a special occasion on the boxy Comfort colors blank. We now have in wine color, which is like a purple. We have the gym logo tea as Another item in the collection and hit I don't think the video even does that tea justice. I'm nice Got a hundred of hundred or so of them over here over my shoulder and they're there. That is a sweet.

Yeah, I love that color. First time we've ever had a shirt on this color. Also what only the second time we've ever printed on this blank. So it's feels super premium, little box here, a little more oversized and just a really, nice shirt and for anyone that knows specifics that is on the comfort colors Blank a lot of people like yes same Blake as smoky tea Correct other than the fact

technically a different blank because those smoke that smoke color is a Different product number. Yeah. But for all intents and purposes, I believe you would say the same, Blake, unless I'm speaking out of turn. I think the fit's the same. This one maybe feels just slightly thicker. Yeah.

Like the weight might be just slightly heavier on this one, but yeah, otherwise it's basically the same. Yep. It's not the, the reason it's not the same is because that smoke tea, that special tie dye color is just like a whole separate product basically. So that's it. Like I said, if there was ever time to support us,

it's this Black Friday weekend. First 100 orders, get a free exclusive magnet. The only way someone gets one of those magnets, first 400 orders, get get free koozie And then we have some some items on that will be on sale that there will be no code needed And then like our ten new things That's it. So anyway anything you buy to support us. We'd appreciate it. We'll love it If you buy one of each will say yes supported us. That's all it takes. Yes

Big Alex said the color palette of this drop may or may not have been inspired by the color of my surgery bruises Yes, my leg is very wine colored It's a wine colored leg All right, that's the Black Friday drop. I'm excited for it, Tommy. What do you think? It's always the craziest time of the year for me. I'm just thinking between that and what day is Black Friday on this year?

Yeah, Thursday. Oh, and also, well, Black Friday falls on a Friday this year. And also, the crew has a little early access, too, like always. Ah, yes. And we will, for the crew has a little early access to like always. So, ah, yes, and we will for the crew in the. Crew in the discord, you'll see, you know, there's an event for it in there and you'll you'll see when your early access is for everything. So you get your first dibs on and I know some of the things like

crew next sweatshirts, zip up hoodies and stuff. There's not tons of inventory, even like the fanny pack. Mm hmm. You know, there's only so many of those and like that thing is priced pretty well and it's pretty sweet. So like those could sell out pretty quickly too. I mean, it's damn near to the point where it's like, pick, do you want a large coffee

or do you want to get a fanny pack? That's basically the only price now. Yes. It's not that far off. One actually had to be manufactured and shipped all over the country. And this was grounded ice with some coffee dust. Some sugar. The Mastinomics lift hard, live easy classic powerlifting meat registration opened this Monday was so it was just like two days

ago. Well, that's the time we're recording this. And I think there I know someone can fact check me. There's like three spots left, literally. And it's actually openly open to supporting member crew and Mass Amics Gym members. And I think they took like eighty seven of the spots in the first twenty four hours. And I think there maybe is just a couple of spots left. Uh huh. So, yeah, it's a listening this. I don't know. By the time yeah, it's so. If you're listening to this, I don't know. By the time you listen to this realistically,

they're probably full. I don't know. They are probably full. But if you're still, were somehow really, if you still somehow listen to this podcast weekly, really wanted to be in the meet and you're not a supporting member, that's kind of crazy. But that is okay.

What you can do though, is you can get your name on the waiting list because. Right. And you should do that because there always is dropouts. And can get your name on the waiting list because right and you should do that because there Always is dropouts and so getting your name on the waiting list. Dave does maintain the waiting list That is your surest way to still get it on the action and at this point getting on the waiting list Well, I would say probably guarantee you a spot because there will be a lot of dropouts with 90 people over the course of nine months Yep, absolutely

with 90 people over the course of nine months. Yep, absolutely. What do we got here? Oh, how about a little sack segment? Or should I do that later? Ooh. Or do you wanna do sack segment now? I'll let you be the judge there. I always love a good sack segment.

We'll do a sack segment. A little quick sack segment. Got a little something in the mail just today, as a matter of fact. Fresh out the sack. Yeah. Big Tanner and Tommy. That's it.

Just a note. Thanks for what you do with the podcast and all the rest. Combine these stickers with any drink spotter for a new level of safety. Keep a few for yourself and maybe slip the extras into some Black Friday orders. See you down the road at lift hard, live easy, three Z cool beans from big Brad, the pad hall of fame class of 2024. He's he signed at Hall of Fame 2024 That's you guys Brad the pad stickers. That's really good as a strong silly safe

It's a picture of him with the bells of steel pad from the lift hard to be classic to a really good sticker I love the sticker. I think I think my wife already put one on our front door. So I liked that a lot. We're well represented on the pad. Uh, this for anyone that doesn't know, Brad is the one that ran the pad at the lift hardly be classic to the catch pad for the South Dakota shield, the blue South Dakota shield, he had the. Uh, job of, uh, trying to catch the pad and he has lovingly been dubbed as Brad the

pad ever since and that is forever what he will be known as. Strong, silly safe. That's just such a good subhead to that. That's so good. That's really good. That sticker's awesome. So we do have a few extra of those if you're really wanting a Brad the pad sticker in your door over Black Friday, let me know and maybe I can maybe you can

get one of those. That's awesome. I might just keep them all for myself. They're mine. I'm gonna have to put at least a couple of those up in Mastinomics Gym too. This week's supporting supporting members. It's a relatively new segment of the massonomics podcast. What we do here in supporting supporting our members is give back to those that give to us. You can become a supporting member by heading over to massonomics.com slash join. That's where you join up. You see all of our different various, uh, membership levels.

It's a myriad of levels. You have to navigate yourself through all the levels and you may even just find a level that works best for you. You may decide you wanna level up and go to the next higher level, go up a level, you can go down a level, anything with the levels. Can you take me higher?

Yes, you can go to a higher level if you'd like. And when you sign up, you get access to our exclusive Discord, early drop stuff, there's a discount code just for supporters, all kinds of stuff. We actually have, we haven't talked about it for a little while. We've never talked about on the podcast. I'm not going to now I'm just going to tease but we have we have this idea, possibly in 2025, where we take this whole supporting membership,

speaking of a higher level, we take it one more notch. Just when you think you couldn't do more with the supporting membership thing, there could be more. But wait, there could be more. Not positive yet, because there could be more. We're pretty serious about this. Yes, we have a lot of the groundwork in place of making this a reality, and it's something that I think would greatly amplify the value that

supporting members feel that they are getting in return for their membership. Don't you think? I think so. I mean, it really, it really is a whole nother level of stuff that we do try to actively, I think we do a good job of doing a lot of things to give back, but this could be a game changer. We could change, we could just flip the game completely

on his fricking head with this one. That is what it would happen if we did it, yes. Yes, so stay tuned for that. Become a sporting member so you can get in on it. But this week, we saw some of you guys, we saw some of you guys and gals doing stuff and we want to recognize it big spoon, be the power lifting media one eight for nine, with a 52 and a half

kilogram total PR. I'm no scientist, but that's that is a big PR time you're having 100 pound PR. That's always good. Yes, big Bowen competed in Maryland strongest man in the 198 class getting third and he also got to take his picture with some rather really strong notable dudes, so congrats Big Bowen and congrats on the pictures you got there. The turkey pole went on, strength coast turkey pole down in SoCal. Coast Turkey Pole down in SoCal. Four crew members represented there, Big Andrew, Big David, one of them, Big Connor, and Big Mike were all there. I'm sure Connor was kind of running the show.

That's what it looks like. To a certain degree, emceeing. And it looked like Andrew, I know, hit a deadlift PR. I'm just going to say they all hit deadlift PRs. I'm not sure about that. But everyone was our segment. We can say whatever we want. And then this week's guest on

unpaid and underrated was none other than big crew member big spicy pizza the one and only yeah i listened to that one and uh spicy pizza did not disappoint i knew he was going to have a great episode and he did it so well done this episode is also brought to us by our great friends over at Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI is the programming Tommy uses. I use it when my leg's not in Snap City. When you got two good legs. When I got two good legs or at least one good one and one okay one. Right now I don't, not there, but I will be back on Juggernaut AI as soon as I'm able

to be Tommy had a really easy Set of squats with 365 pounds for a set of six. It looked like RPE Morning paper at most that might even be a stretch I don't even I might it might be harder for most people to just pick up the morning paper than it was for you to do That sort of squats. Yeah, most people don't have a knee sleeves on though when they pick up the morning paper So that that's cheating actually doing all the work for me. That's sort of squats. Yeah, most people don't have a knee sleeves on though when they pick up the morning paper So that that's the difference cheating actually doing all the work for me. That's true You can sign up learn more about their training everything at juggernaut AI dot app That's also like I said where you get signed up and where you can use discount code mass an omics

That saves you 10% for the lifetime of your membership and with the discount code it ends up being like $30 a month It's is honestly like a really good value for what you're getting I believe they're always making changes to the app and One of those changes we we're gonna talk about here actually that they started implementing They actually have made available the strongman programming, correct? I haven't looked at into it Yeah, I have I'm not in the mood to... I think Big Kaden at the gym was gonna switch to it. I think he probably already has.

Yeah, I just saw that like... I'm waiting to talk to him to get the lowdown and have him run me through what it looks like and stuff. Yeah, and I haven't dug into it because I'm very content with my program and how things are going. I'm not trying to push Strongman training or anything, but yeah, it looked like they added a bunch of...

I mean, the Strongman lifts actually exist in the app now and it looks like there's a lot of options for training around it. But really quick Cliff notes just from Kaden in a text. He said, yeah, I said, what's yours look like, you know, roughly, and he said, I've got, you know, three training days in the work that look, during the week that look pretty normal

and then an events day, basically, you know week that look pretty normal and then an events day basically you know a fourth day of which is an events day and I'm not sure I'm sure you get some leeway to set that up and differently depending on what you want to do but that is not surprising like that is a very common approach to strongman training often I think so not surprising first you got to get strong before you can stay strong and then they strong use your strength. Yes, right I mean it's like cows sad Mmm, so thanks juggernaut Well, our guest has arrived Tanner. All right, should we let the son of a gun in here? Yeah, I'm gonna start booting these fools

So for anyone that doesn't know we are now joined officially by big dr. Pack We got to meet you for the first time at the Arnold this year. That's true I forgot about the livestream aspect of this so I came in guns blazing here. Well we sometimes we cut like the little first part off of it so some of the live viewers might have caught a little extra show but the recorded version will be the last one. You got to pay extra for some of that stuff. Very nice. So Dr. Pack. What's dr. Pack short for? so pack is actually Or is it not is that is that the wrong way to say it? It's the pack is my initials back are my initials

How would you say it's my my first name is Patrick loss My first last name is Andrew lackeys and my second last name is coracacus My first last name is Andrioulakis and my second last name is Korakakis, which is a very uncommon setup for a Greek person. So it's not common to have both surnames. My parents were liberal like that. And Patroclus is also a very rare name. So I'm a weirdo from Greece with a weird Greek name that people outside of Greece think, oh, okay, just another Greek here, long Greek name. But even in Greece, they're like, what the fuck is this? Why do you have two Sare names and what's Patroklos? That's interesting that you bring it up that way

because to us, that's exactly what we'd think. It'd be like, I don't know, I guess that's just what Greek names are like. Let me hit you with something different. When you hear my accent, what do you think? We have quite a thing. I don't think I honestly know idea. Like that's, we have absolutely no clue.

We even talked about it. We were like, we're pretty sure he is Greek, but then again, we don't really know that. So the crazy thing is that everyone who is non-American hears me and here in the UK. So I've been living in the UK for 12 years, British citizen, yada, yada, yada. The UK is my home, but I don't have a British accent,

even though I had a British stepfather. Everybody that hears me who's not American says, are you from America? Every American that hears me just hears Borat. Oh, yeah, there's a little Borat, I guess. I could actually see that now that you say it. Where was Borat from Tommy? Kazakhstan.

Yeah, Kazakhstan. It's crazy because I had a friend, Max Coleman. Do you know Max? Max Coleman did, yeah, he's part of the same lab as I am. Shout out to Max. And he was over in the UK and he heard a person say it at the gym and nearly lost his mind. He was like, he does not sound American.

Do you ever bust out a Borat impression? I'm not a good Borat impression, impressionee, impressioner. The clad man, la la la la. There we go, excellent. Okay, so you are Greek, but you live in the UK. How many languages do you speak? Two and a half, essentially. Greek, English, so my English is better than my Greek.

But I speak Greek fluently, and I can write in Greek, obviously, but if it was like, if I have to write an email in English, I can bang that out in whatever, 20 seconds if it's like, if I have to write an email in English, I can bang that out in whatever, 20 seconds if it's a short email. Like if it's just a typical email to arrange the podcast with you. In Greek, I'll have to sit there and be like,

all right, let's word it like that. Do I say greetings? Do I say this? And I speak a bit of German as well. So the way you say that, so was English your first language or? So Greek was my first language officially, but I left Greece when I was 12 and after I left Greece at 12 I spoke English and Greek at home because my stepfather is British and I did school in English and

I had a lot of friends in Greece and I've kept touch with Greece fully like if we go to Athens together You may feel like I still live there. But at the same time, I learned formal English, whereas I didn't really learn formal Greek, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that does, okay. That's interesting. The audience right now, wow.

Our lives have changed. Oh no, I was wondering about his English and Greek, how they great. Finally, we can put that one to bed. What we really gotta know is what the hell is your sleep schedule like? Because so we're 9.22 p.m. here in western northeast South Dakota.

You're in the UK, it is 3.22 a.m. You said, yep, no problem for me. That's fucking go. I'm just going to pull out the stats for the last six years. Okay. For time in bed and let me flex to the audience before they call out my sleep quality, it says eight hours and 11 minutes. Okay. Um, all that to say that I still get my sleep and it's not not a YOLO schedule in terms of regularity and duration.

It's just that I've always been a night owl. And for the past few years, I work mostly with people from the States that operate in the Eastern time zone. And it works out and it's always been a thing that I've had. I just make sure that I go to bed at a similar time. Today will be a bit later than usual. The funny thing is, the funny thing was that I was chilling here and I was like,

okay, done with work, gonna go shower now, gonna take it easy, slowly make my way to bed, and I get the Google Calendar notification. And I was like, oh yeah. Not yet, not so fast. So what time is like in a normal day then? When are you typically going to bed? Three to four a.m.

Okay. Which is great, because like during this, this is the equivalent of waking up at five a.m. Where everybody's asleep, you've gone, like you can zone in. For me it's the opposite. Because like my wife will go to bed at around 11 or 12, and then I've got about

three to five hours depending on how much I push it where nothing is going on. People in America are also off their computers because it's like it's starting at least in the Eastern Times. It's late evening. Everybody here is obviously asleep so things are relatively quiet. Nobody's messaging me and I can just do my stuff. Yeah, so you live in the UK, grew up in Greece till you're 12. You have obviously spent a lot of time in the States, of course, with work and everything else that you've done. I mean, will UK be where you live forever? Could you ever see moving to the US or what do you think long term? Could you ever see moving to the US or what do you think long term? I love certain things about the US, but the main barrier aside from the fact that I cannot

just come and work there because I'm a British and Greek citizen, that means that I can go anywhere in Europe tomorrow and work. I want to go to the Netherlands, hey Netherlands, I'm here, I'm going to live here now. That's fine. Whereas for me to come to the US, there has, I'm here, I'm going to live here now. That's fine. Whereas for me to come to the US, for me to live there permanently, there has to be an offer, a visa application, yada, yada, yada, plus the distance from Greece and the rest of Europe where I have a lot of friends is pretty big. So I'd be seven hours behind Greece, which is a bit of a pain in terms of communicating

with people. And I'm in daily contact with people from Greece. But most more importantly, like the UK is my home and I feel very comfortable here. And I'm used to the UK in terms of the way things are done. But Walmart, over all those reasons, you know, it can get heated, you know. It's a heated debate. Yeah, that's fair. Talking about your lifting history, obviously you have the education behind it, but you also have the actual anecdote.

You know, you spend time in the gym yourself lifting. What would you describe your personal training like? Like what are your goals? How do you train? What do you do here in the gym? So I'm like a hypertrophy slash strength enthusiast and that's in the order of priority. I love lifting. I love going to the gym and getting a pump, pump pushing myself close to failure yada yada yada so at the moment I'm doing a few heavy sets for overhead press and deadlift and because

I like to I want to hit a 300 kilo deadlift and potentially 110 kilo OHP in pounds that's 660 for the deadlift and 240 42 yeah 24 Yeah, 242 respect for the OHP. The rest is all hypertrophy training around 10 to 20 sets per each muscle group. A lot of machine work. And I love to train like five to six times a week at the moment, even if it's for like 30, 30 to 40 minutes. That's it. In terms of background, strength training,

I did a bit of powerlifting at some point for a couple of years. There was a time in my life where I was mostly squatting. So there was like weeks where it would be okay, four squat sessions and nothing else this week. But yeah, I just loved lifting, man. Amen. We can relate to that. We have both done a fair bit of powerlifting, strongman, stuff like that. Would you ever see yourself, do you have any desire to compete in anything again? You know whether it be powerlifting or you mentioned hypertrophy, would you ever see yourself wanting to compete in a bodybuilding show as a joke, but I wouldn't want to offend anyone there. So I wouldn't do it actually.

No, not really. I don't think so. Unless, I don't know, when I'm much older, I'm like, oh, I need a new challenge or something and comes up. So never say never and all that jazz. But I, lifting is my happy time. So if there's a comp involved, then all of a sudden it becomes a to-do because we've set this like official goal and we can't deviate from the program because

blah, blah, blah. And I like the flexibility and the ADHD nature of, okay, I went to the gym today. I feel like today I wanted to flip a 45 plate and catch it. So I sat there and I did that for a while. Then I was like, okay, let's do chin ups now. Then let's do a heavy OHP single, yada, yada, yada. Whereas if I had a comp in mind, all of that is off the table and you got to focus on training.

Good luck, okay, you have the comp going on. Right, that makes sense. So what, talking about your training, but what you do professionally and you have the science background, the science based, uh, lifting that you focus on and everything, like, I guess what I'm wondering is, do you have to be, you are an actual lifter too, is how important is it to be an actual lifter for, uh, the science side of it, you know, because someone in theory wouldn't have to be an actual lifter for the science side of it. Because someone in theory wouldn't have to be

practicing what they preach. My assumption is yes, it is extremely valuable to be out there actually walking the walk, but curious to your take on it. Yeah, so if we're speaking strictly about somebody just doing the science, you could make the argument that even if you're not actively a lifter now and you've lived in the past, that's not going to completely take away from the quality of your science, especially if you have a team of individuals in your lab and they may lift more than you

or whatever. But I do think in general as an evidence-based practitioner, so as a science communicator rather than just a scientist, being a lifter is extremely valuable and so is being a coach because a lot of that anecdotal experience can then be combined obviously with your scientific knowledge in order to provide an actually evidence-based response. As a scientist solely, I would agree with you though, that overall being a lifter

can not only allow you to design studies a bit better, but may also help with idea generation in terms of what makes sense from research from a practical perspective. Because at the end of the day, we are in the applied sciences. So I care as PAC to do research for the lifters. Obviously, I care about understanding how muscle growth works, how strength works, yada, yada, yada. But I care more about being able to give lifters direction at least in terms of how to train for

strength and hypertrophy and help people like myself who love lifting. So when I started getting into the scene as an observer, not as a participant back in 2013 or 2012, there wasn't really a whole lot of science and naturally had a lot of questions. And I was like, oh, okay, there's no study that has looked at like has taken power lifters and have them follow a program. How is that possible? Like how are we basing all these like recommendations for programming and this and that? Like what's all that based on? So yeah, one of my goal was to be able to have those papers there for the people in the future to be like, oh, well, a study actually looking at

the minute bullshit that we care about in the gym actually examining that phenomenon versus, oh, there's a study that looked at something else and they also tested this variable. And if you look at that variable, it sort of looks like the thing we do in practice, but not really. I don't know if you remember back in the day

when there would be like those two studies that everybody would reference that weren't even in like lifters. Yeah. No, that makes sense. But what I don't know, what is applied muscle development lab? Like, I don't really understand the, you know,

I don't really understand the practical you know, I don't really understand the practical science side of it. So like, what is that? Is that like a group of you, like a cohort of people that do similar things that you're doing, that you all work together or what, you know, I've seen that pop up on, you know, a couple of your descriptions and stuff before,

but I don't, you know, I can pretend I can act like I know what it is, but I really don't. Yeah, it's a subscription-based cult, essentially. So, like we have the... All right, you had us at cults. We're familiar with cults, yeah. Subscription tiers, and depending on how much you pay, you can be like, you can get the golden robe,

you can get the black with stripes robe, yada, yada, yada. But joking aside, it's just Dr. Schoenfeld's lab over at Lehman College. And it's essentially a team I met through Brad Schoenfeld a couple of years ago, which consists mostly of his master's students and ex-master's students, as well as a few other individuals. And it's essentially a very rare thing to find in our world because it's a lab where people love lifting and they are actively conducting research on all the things we care about. So like a study on supersets, which you

wouldn't traditionally see in many universities that have a master's program. Obviously, there's still other people that do this kind of research, don't get me wrong. But yeah, that's it. Group of people that love lifting excellent researchers and it's essentially like in academia, you have different labs and they have names and that's the name for this lab.

Okay, now I understand it better. Tommy and I both desperately wanted to ask you about something in particular there's a go so when we saw you was at the Arnold that's when we got to meet you there and at the Arnold you were Handling helping translating with grizzly Kind of want to know everything about that like how that came to be and what that experience was like and how that was like his first experience in America through your mouth basically as the translator. How did that come to be and give us anything,

any insight on that is welcome here. Yeah, Grizzly is an actual friend of mine. I speak to Grizzly on the phone multiple times per week, usually at these hours because he works security for essentially a factory and he works graveyard shifts. So we video call multiple times per week, every week with very little exceptions. Grizzly is like an actual person I have. And were you guys, was that all spurred from the Arnold or were you doing that before the Arnold even? So the timeline is like this. I knew a guy that knew Grizzly and I wanted to go and shoot

a video there and meet him because I've been following Grizzly since 2013. I was part of because I've been following Grizzly since 2013. I was part of a group on Facebook called Roids and Fields. Shout out. So this was a group of like Greeks, like the 30 Greeks that were into strength training, Mark Rippetoe, all that jazz and like science as well. And we were following Grizzly. Like that group was following him when nobody else in the world knew. I was watching videos of Grizzly in my living room as a university student. So it's kind of like when you're into music that's cool before other people even know about it. Exactly. But I mean, we have proof for it, but it's one of those points like where I make it and the other person's like, okay, bro, congratulations. No, I like that.

So I get in touch with that guy, yo, can you get me in touch with Grizzly? We speak on the phone. Can I come by and shoot a video? Can I come by? Grizzly is, I'm from Athens. Grizzly is a seven hour drive from Athens. We go, we had spoken on the phone a couple of times.

We meet in person. Obviously, if you know, like I knew Grizzly's background. So Grizzly's not just a strength athlete. Grizzly's somebody who was a bouncer slash bodyguard slash guy you don't mess around with. That checks out, that passes the vibe check. It seems like exactly what it should be. We had heard stories, like obviously,

it comes with those sorts of professions, but I knew of Grizzly as, yeah, the guy that does the weird lift, but because I am Greek, I was also understanding all the meme phrases, like for the difficult. That was him essentially taking a Greek phrase that means I do something to prepare

for difficult things ahead. But if you throw it in Google Translate, it gives you the literal translation, which is like a joke, you get me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I could see that the guy is just some Greek guy from a small town who doesn't, hasn't really understood exactly what's going on. But when I met him, I realized that he was

much more self-aware than people may think in terms of the memes. He gets it now. But the crazy thing with Grizzly is that over the years, even though it started a bit as a meme, serious athletes, especially strongmen and old school Russian athletes like my brain froze, whatever. Now I want to remember it. What's his name? Classics powerlifter. No, no, not about Koklyev.

He was also a weightlifter. Yeah. Is it Mikhail Koklyev? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like he started paying attention and people realized that, yeah, he's doing weird things, but even the things that he's doing, the amount of weight he's shifting is crazy. Anyways, and then we go to talking, video call here, video call there, started speaking with Omar about the possibility of a collab through the idea to him.

At the beginning, he was a bit hesitant because he's learned to be like that from his line of work, which fair enough. But fast forward, he liked the idea. We came to the US and it was a huge trip for him. As in like he's left Greece before, but to go to the US weighing also 440. and it was his first ever public appearance in terms of like official public appearance, because he never leaves, like very rarely leaves his town. So he doesn't even go to the nearest big town for people to like recognize him and stuff. They still recognize him in his town, but that's very common.

It's in his environment. So all of a sudden he goes from Kavala in Greece to London, Gatwick in the UK to South London where I live. People recognizing him at the airports and stuff. And then from there to whatever we flew and then to Columbus and all of a sudden he's in Columbus, Ohio, completely obscene and being recognized and having lines of people wanting to meet him. He really appreciated it. He's a genuine guy. Yeah. Was it at all over? I mean, I know you said he kind of got it, he kind of got it, but did he get get how like, did he understand the kind of

reception he was going to get at there? No, I mean, he was like, generally speaking out of everyone that was at the Arnold, I think he was one of the most popular people there, like outside of like Arnold and, uh, you know, I mean, if you lined up Grizzly and Ronnie Coleman and whoever you want to, I think people were as excited about seeing Grizzly as possibly anyone there. He got it for sure. And he got it because he didn't only just see the line, which he was like, wow, look at the line. We did it. Also people like Ed Cohen came up to him for somebody like Grizzly and for us as well. Like for, keep in mind, are even further away from whatever happens in

America than us in the UK now. So things seem mythical. Ed Cohen, to the few Greeks that follow powerlifting, is like, whoa. For us here, we could fly over for the Olympia Expo and meet him. So when Ed Cohen came up to Grizzly, just to say hello to Grizzly, Grizzly was like, wow, Ed Cohen came. And other people came as well. He obviously saw Mitchell Hooper, Jujy Mufu, who he has a lot of love for. And yeah, it was extremely awesome. But obviously, like a big challenge for him. And we chilled quite a bit because I had a few friends with me. I brought a crew and a few, one Greek friend in particular as well.

And we, it was, it was fun times. It was fun times at the, the after party at the hotel reception, we had a little lounge there, so we would chill there till late and yeah, it was a wholesome trip. reception. We had a little lounge there so we would chill there till late and yeah it was a wholesome trip. Yeah I'm thinking how to ask this is I don't need details but like is Grizzly married? I'm just curious like no no he's not. Okay did like the women love Grizzly too like there's was probably just as many women there that want to get pictures with them as men. Yeah Yeah, it was people of all kinds lifters like huge lifters women around the ladies

It's fun that warm American welcome it was nice man. The funny thing is that grizzly is very like How should I say it? He's not the most flexible dieter, if that makes sense. He's very peculiar with his food. So he mostly had McDonald's from the US, with the exception of like a restaurant. So he didn't get to try a lot of the American foods. That's it. Fun fact. So what does he like to eat then? Like what is his? He's not like, cause you see his size obviously and you assume here comes the, and it's just a lot of calories from relatively low volume foods that then he just has a larger quantity. So he'll have two pizzas or something. But even at his size,

people overestimate the amount of calories you need. Even at the grizzly size, if you eat 5,000, 4,000 calories every day, you keep gaining weight. But to be fair, he is pretty active. So he probably needs a bit more than that, but still nothing too insane. You know, you see these videos, Eddie Hall, 15,000. It's like, bro, stop the cap.

Pete Slauson Yeah. Will he be talked into the trip again? Stavros Levitas If the opportunity arose, yeah, for sure. It was a bit, it's a bit of a, cause he's at his heaviest now and like being 440 and walking around and going from like, it takes its toll. And, but I think he'd be out for it. Yeah. What I've tried to pursue him to do is like everybody's telling him to do arm wrestling, but he, because he ripped his biceps his triceps actually and he has a few injuries He's like, I don't want to risk it which fair enough I get But I was like bro

celebrity boxing Eddie Hall. Oh boy. Yeah got the experience You lose a bit of weight just to be a bit more like cuz if you see him fight That's an I think he doesn't get a lot of respect for he spars with professional kickboxers that are like professional actually kickboxers that are ranked like he's he's pretty pretty tough and if you see his hand work for how heavy he is when he hits the heavy like super heavy bag it's like those who know can tell you that yeah it's not perfect but for your size it's legit yeah that would be great though Mike Tyson versus Grizzly but in a few years when Mike Tyson's like 89 rolling men boys yeah yeah like that have you been I mean had you been to the Arnold in prior years to that or?

I've been to expos here in the UK, the body power and the Arnold UK. Yeah. But expos, smacks, like back in the day, back in the day was like, I don't know if it's if it was because we were younger and we were like, oh, let's go see Kai Green, you know, whereas now I was like, OK, yeah. Oh, look, it's that guy. Let's get away from people for a while. Yeah. I think it's, it's, it's lost the oomph, if that makes sense. Um, cause I was like Arnold in, like I've idolized America for years. So the expectations with everything America related have been flying cars meanwhile IRS sent us a check and physical facts in 2024. But anyways yeah so I came to the Arnold and I was like whoa it's gonna be roller

coasters and explosions. Okay it was an expo, nice. Yeah, right, right. The best thing though, as a European, was the, obviously like we don't have guns here and I think it was open carry in the Columbus, right? Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably, yeah. Ohio, I guess it's either way, I don't even know, yeah. Anyways, so heavy police presence at the venue,

fair enough, whatever, it makes sense. You know, people can have guns, there's other people with guns. But then there was zero, like we were entering the expo just from the back, nobody asked us anything. So it was like, oh, extra protection, but no extra protection. And I was like, guys, like, especially Grizzly, it's like, you see that guy just walking in and you're like, you noticed him. Like who is this random guy just walking through the back? Right. Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, if you want trouble,

don't go through the front door, but the back door is wide open. Just. Yeah. That's what I tell my wife. Ah. What about Grizzly's unconventional training? I'm wondering for yourself personally, is there anything, you know, being around him, talking with him? Is there anything you have pulled from what he does? Maybe that you've implemented in your training, whether it's particular lifts or just like any ideas that maybe you wouldn't have been coming across if not for being around some of his far more unconventional stuff that he's doing. Anything that you've ever implemented yourself? Not really because like the thing most of the videos you

see are old videos now. The main thing he does now which I don't like is the prowler which is not a prowler. That giant sled that he stacks the weights to the ceiling on. Yeah. The sled numbers are ridiculous though. The issue with that piece of equipment, which he loves, and most of his training is this, is that it doesn't look impressive on video. And it's not like a click-baity or attractive thing for people to watch. So it's like, oh, whatever. He's pushing some sled. It looks heavy whatever

But in reality when we did that in person We did like 200 kilos 440 pounds back and forth It was insane his stamina was insane and he can push nearly a thousand kilos on that But yeah, that's most mostly what he does and most of his training is him working around his injuries which is also questionable because he then does a lot of weight, but it works for him. So it's things that like for me to set up a Zercher thing to just train my traps and feel a lot of weight here, Not really the most time efficient exercise.

But the mentality I guess. Yeah, yeah. That sled, that cannot be what that thing was originally. That looks like a piece of scaffolding that someone just like. That's it. Okay. That's what it is.

He told the guy build me a thing, and he build him a thing. There's no like friction adjustments or whatever. Right, right, right. Metal on concrete? What? It's great. That's what it is.

So this is what it looks like, okay. Yeah. It's exactly that. So yeah, people don't realize, realize, realize, realize. But they don't realize how hard that is. All right, how about switching gears a little bit? Curious what you've learned, whether it's training in the gym

or maybe it's like in the gym, or maybe it's like you from your YouTube, your own YouTube channel or anything related to that. With Dr. Mike, have you been able to pull much from him that you've been able to, you know, improve what you've got going on yourself based on things you've learned with experiences with him? Yeah. So I've been following Mike for a while. And he was Yeah. So I've been following Mike for a while and he was actually he part, he funded my PhD not really was like a donation for the PhD. He didn't pay for the tuition fees and

stuff. So I've been around RP for a while. I've learned a lot from them, but I couldn't pinpoint one thing in particular, mostly I guess training a bit more meticulously. The concept that Renaissance periodization brought to the scene, which was scientific training, and then taking that, because I was studying the science as well myself, essentially taking the concept and applying it with my own knowledge.

The worst response ever, but I wish I could tell you slow eccentrics or stretch or whatever. I was thinking of something inappropriate that I couldn't come up with. How about even on the YouTube side of things? Because you do seem to have some really good traction going on your YouTube, and I don't know, Mike obviously, they're killing it on their YouTube.

Has you learned any lessons from them on that side? Yeah, for sure. Mike is an excellent on camera ready person. I consider myself to be relatively camera ready with a long way to go for like oh that guy's mainstream now but in terms of the average person I think I'm pretty like oh you can put a camera on me and I can freestyle my way and find something to say and make it relatively entertaining. Mike has that to the next level because we filmed a lot with Mike and you can just turn on the camera and he can just go. The main thing I guess I've learned is that you don't necessarily need to go overboard with every video in terms of preparation. Because as scientists,

we sometimes, our brains work in a way where they prevent us from giving practical recommendations that may be based more on our coaching and personal experience, especially in areas where there's not really much scientific evidence. So there's always caveats in terms of conditions and let me mention this and let me open another bracket and let me explain that, and like at the end, the person there's like, well, just fucking tell me what I need to do, I don't care.

Three reps or five reps. So watching Mike do his thing, I've sort of changed that for some of my videos that are intended for a Gen Pop audience. The average lifter was like, I don't care about the nuance, man. Just give me some relatively solid advice that I can easily understand and whatever. I'll go elsewhere whenever I feel like I need the nuance. That makes sense. Stronger by Science podcast is over. Now, correct? Is the final episode just came out like last week?

I've listened to most of it, I think. How's that feel? It's an emotional, an emotional, a bittersweet end. SBS podcast and SBS in general, and I'm not ass kissing. Just because I am part of the team. Way before I was part of the team, I used to follow SBS and learned a lot from SBS, especially the podcast, but also mass research review and the website itself, the content that Greg was putting out, then Greg and Trex and yada yada yada. So being part of the podcast,

super cool achievement. But I do think that it reached a point where it didn't make sense from a time investment requirement commitment and how podcasts in general are doing. There's so much information coming out and things have become a bit more, obviously there's still people that listen to podcasts, but with YouTube being there and being a much easier medium for you to convey information in a much more concise way and in a much more engaging way, it doesn't make sense to place focus on the podcast. Cause like we were doing it properly.

Like it was 40 page outline with a bunch of references. Right. For like we had two episodes, which it was one episode split into one volume, which was eight hours long of us yapping there about the literature. Like it was pretty, it was held to a very high standard. It was less conversational.

Like, well, let's jump on and, you know, yap about some random stuff and call it a day. We under we're familiar with that format. Yes. I can tell. Which is, which is great sometimes. Cause like, um, yeah, like podcasts. I remember at the beginning where, or many of the podcasts that I listened to were more

of this format versus essentially like a more chill lecture. Right, right, right. So it sounds like you probably aren't going to feel like you need to fill that void specifically with more podcasting. You focus more of your attention on YouTube and other things than for that same time commitment. Yeah, We're also, and by we, I mean myself and Milo, shout out Milo Wolf, real Wolf, actual Wolf. We're working on an app and I know everybody and their cousin has an app. I'm sure both of you have three apps yourselves.

Each. I've made one since we've been podcasting it already. Yeah, we've made a couple just while in our spare time here tonight. Yeah. So we've been broadcasting it already. Yeah, we made a couple just while in our spare time. So we've been working on that app for like three to four years now, and that's going on on the side, as Sam would say, while also placing a lot of focus on our YouTube channels and specifically building our space, which is going to be a gym slash filming studio that we will have only for ourselves. So in a few days we get the equipment delivery which is going

to be a very exciting time because it's like a dream come true you know like your own your own gym. So where's that going at then where are you where's that facility going to be? It's a Where is that facility gonna be? It's at the number, no, it's here nearby. Okay, okay. So will that be open to the public or is this gonna be a private gym? It will be a private gym. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, it won't be like, guys, you are used to American sizes, you're imagining now land. We're talking a thousand, 2000 square feet. Oh, that's enough though to be able, you know, I mean that's enough to be able to do some serious training. That's enough. One or two thousand square feet is enough to make a serious gym though. Yeah, we've already a really cool amount. We have ordered quite a bit of really cool equipment. What brands?

What brands of equipment? Can you talk about any of that? And I am not sure. Okay. So like not brands that I think mostly UK based brands. Yeah, well that's what I want. Like ATX is a company we met there. Where was ATX out of Tommy?

Oh boy, I cannot remember. Were they German? Yes, I think think so flow was the Florian flow I just wondered if we were at home Jim Khan earlier this year there's a lot of equipment manufacturers there there was a few European based companies and that's why I was just curious if you're probably being there you're probably not sourcing a whole bunch of rogue equipment and Things would be other nothing for the u.s. It's all from here. It's a company called Primal Okay Not prime primal. Yeah, not not the green prime. Yeah. Yeah, not the green prime. No

really cool equipment Lots of stuff that Would I guess he be kind of similar. I guess whatever I've seen from the preview pictures to some hammer strength equipment, some of the mood lines. Because I trained at a gym that is brand new here in Southampton and they have the new hammer strength, like to support a t-bar row for example we have something similar a lot of cool equipment but it's we're getting it new and it's like christmas coming early can i say christmas yeah say whatever you want there thank you oh yeah we won't bleep that out so yeah like it's the first time the all then the closest thing I've come to owning a quiver was during lockdown where I had

three three bar bills in here in this tiny office and 400 kilos of weight and I did all my training right here You see where the radiator is? Yeah right here nice Getting it done Okay Tommy, what do you think about overrated underrated? Let's do it. All right, dr. Pack. We've got a special game for you Well, it's special that it's catered to you, but not special That it's just for you. We play this game with every guest that's on our podcast But we do have a very hand-picked dr. Pack set of topics

It's your job to decide if each one is overrated or underrated The important thing is to know that you cannot ride the line. You have to definitively land on one side or the other. And you get to use your druthers to elaborate as much or as little as you'd like. And we've kept this pretty non-political, non-religious till now, other than that Christmas reference. But now is where we get really political and religious. So buckle in. Let's get serious here. Overrated or underrated? Minimum effective dose. Underrated. You want me to elaborate and yap now?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we appreciate a little bit of yapping. I think it's underrated because a lot of people still treat the concept more as like backup for that one time when they don't have enough time or sort of regarded more as like, oh, it's for beginners or like non-serious lifters when in reality doing the least you need in order to get a meaningful response either for strength or hypertrophy. Top concept and I think it's the concept that will allow you to lift forever.

If you have that in your brain and grain there, when you're like 50 and you have a family and obligations and maybe the love for two hour sessions has gone, which makes sense, having that concept there being like, okay, cool, it's my one out of three 30-minute sessions this week, going to get it in, gains are going to still be there, you might make some additional gains. Happy days. Wow. And so is that what your, what your doctorate was, was about? Yes. Specifically. Yes. I don't know. I said it like that. Um, yes. On power lifters specifically.

Okay. So what is, like, what is the research? I mean, what is the process like for going to, I mean, that's something that's so outside of my experience in any way that I don't even know what that process looks like. What was the, you said the research methods? Yeah, I mean, like, what is like, I mean, how long are you getting these power lifters? Yeah, how are you getting the power lifters? Like, how long is the study being conducted? Like, we just what in general, what does that process look like? conducted like we just what in general what does that process look like? Sure. So keep in mind that we had that bit of funding from Dr. Mike and the PhD took about He sold a Lamborghini to cover it. Yeah. It was Lamborghini's it was multiple. At some point he was bringing them in with a helicopter

just dropping them outside. He set traffic to Butler to cover the bill Allegedly objection hearsay. I do not condone any statements made by Masonomics And this is legal and medical advice So Yeah, so three and a half years and we managed to only recruit 32 power lifters Came three and a half years because because powerlifters are like, you tell a powerlifter, hey, come do this ultra low volume program

and let's see what's happened, what will happen in two months. And they're like. Right, right, right. But, we had the pleasure, and I think you'll appreciate the culture points here. So, back in the day, I used to, whenever I would go to Greece,

I would train at the Olympic weightlifting hall at the Olympic stadium, where a lot of the names you've heard have trained historically. And in that hall, which there are no water coolers, no air conditioning, no water, legit no fountains, no nothing, just bars and Eleiko and Ivanko bumpers. So we had a powerlifting team, about like 20 people, maybe a bit more. And there was a guy, shout out to him, Panayiotis Kolokotronis, I have to shout him out, maybe he's listening, who is a musician.

I'm sure he is, yes, he's listening. He's right outside your house. We're big in peace, so yeah. But he's in the culture, that's why I'm sure he is, yes, he's listening. He's right outside your house. We're big in peace, so yeah. But he's in the culture, that's why I'm saying it. Like he's the type of guy that may actually tune in. And he essentially was the coach of the team there and I was like, we were friends and I would train there as well whenever I went.

And I was like, look, this is a rare chance because he was coaching them for free as a hobby. I was like, this is a rare chance to take these lifters and have them follow some form of controlled program and explore something and do a study. That wasn't part of my PhD then. So we did a study for 10 weeks where they prepped for Greek IPF nationals following either a traditional power lifting program with like a typical like high volume, a few weeks, a bunch of weeks out of the meat, lower volume and higher loads as they approach, like very classic powerlifting program versus just doing a single, a single repetition,

two times a week for the squat, three times a week for the bench, and once a week for the deadlift. So, and we did that as a pilot study. Only like eight people took part, so it wasn't like a proper, it was like a full pilot study, you know? And based off that, I got the idea for the minimum dose PhD, and then because I knew that it would be difficult to recruit power lifters,

but thankfully being a coach myself, being involved in the sport myself, and having some online presence helped. But what came in clutch was the idea to do interviews with coaches and athletes. So we interviewed elite powerlifters, all-time record holders, and coaches that had worked with hundreds of champions for sure. So essentially in the end what we did is we triangulated all the data to see if it sort of supported each other and what putting it all together actually gave us

versus just looking at the training studies. But the training studies were six to 10 weeks and we recruited relatively strong for the literature power lifters. Okay, interesting. Okay. Overrated or underrated? Papi Chulos.

P-A-P-I-C-H. I know what Papi Chula is, that's my second name. That's what I call my cat, Chula. That's what I call random people as well when they don't hear me in the gym, yo, Papi. Yeah. How many says do you have left? What is the translation on Papi Chulo?

It's Pimp Daddy, that's the translation. Okay. Right? I don't know for sure. Yeah, no, I actually didn't actually know for sure. Yeah, no, I actually, we didn't actually know for sure. You, at the Arnold, you mentioned, well, we heard that come out of your mouth once, was Papi Chulo.

Yeah. So I was probably talking about somebody there. Yeah. Describing him as a Papi Chulo. And how can it be underrated or underrated, I guess? I don't know. Respect. So is that like a UK thing or is that just a you thing?

It's a me thing. Okay. Okay. It's a US thing, if anything, like a US sort of Latin community thing, I guess. Yeah. So you lied to us, you speak another language also. I am a proficient Spanish speaker.

Yeah. Crazy how you remember that. I have a lot of like random phrases and things that I say, but it's true how that stayed with you and how you remember it. Yeah. Keep it in the permanent bank. We never know when we're gonna be able

to get you on the podcast. Yeah, you're brainy. Yep, got that on file, but missing out. Save that one. Did I pay tax this year? Whatever. You remember that thing. Do I even know how to pay my taxes? Nah, not really, it works out every year.

I remember you said, poppy chulo that one time. What's the tax for? Tax stand for? What is DAX? Like that. So, are you familiar with the American Thanksgiving holiday? It's coming up the week that this comes out. I don't know if you've ever been stateside during Thanksgiving holiday. It's coming up the week that this comes out. I don't know if you've ever been stateside

during Thanksgiving before. Okay, that's fine. But are you somewhat familiar with the typical Thanksgiving meal? Yeah, so overrated or underrated Thanksgiving turkey, or turkey generally speaking, but Thanksgiving turkey or you know, turkey generally speaking, but Thanksgiving turkey more specifically. For me personally overrated.

I'm not a huge fan of, I'm a weirdo with like senses and smells and turkey sometimes hits me weird. Turkey is this weird smell sometimes too. It's unique, I think at the very least it's unique. Yeah, turkey, duck and pork and lamb and goat is the list everything but like there's certain meats that sometimes oh okay amazing like I'll have slices of turkey all the time but Thanksgiving turkey well overrated because like if there's all this high but turkey you are okay well lean protein

and yeah if you dump a bunch of shit on it and sort of chug it down, whatever. But like, it's not, whoa, we get to eat this magical food. Yeah, Tommy, it is, I mean, it is overrated, right, Tommy? Yeah, it's what you said. You gotta get the, you gotta just like smother it in gravy and potatoes and some stuff. Like you gotta make the whole like just mash out of it

and then it's good. I mean, the meal is good. The meal is great, but specifically it is overrated too. To be fair, it is overrated, right? Yes. Thanksgiving has been canceled, my fellow Americans. You heard it here first.

Let me ask you a, sorry, let me ask you a quick one about a food. Fair Life chocolate milk. Overrated or underrated? That's rated quite highly around here, especially within the lifting community. Here's my take on this, whether it's overrated. Okay, I'll say it is good. I like fair life chocolate milk.

I think it's fine. I'm not all that picky. It's good. I think it's overrated because it's got a lot of hype around it. And I'm like, I don't know, I guess it's got a little less sugar, which is probably a positive and stuff like that. But for the most part, if I want a little chocolate milk, I'll just have whatever kind is around whether it's Fair Life or not. So I think it's good. I like it. I'm a I would be a consumer, but I still think it's a little bit overrated.

And I would agree with that everything Tanner said there. And just that one, if you were to say any product that's like milk based, that is being marketed and has hype. I mean, that's the top of the list right there. So I think by its very nature, that means it is overrated. I am a guest, so I have to be, you know, and it's a free country, I guess. So we take it that you're a fan then?

Yeah, I'm a huge fan, but we don't get it here. So you gotta buy it. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. So you don't have it in the UK. See, that's part of it too, yeah. That is part of it. I'd be sick of it. We can walk down to the.

It's in every store, and any store you walk into has it. So it's just everywhere. Fair enough. It's kind of expensive, relative to its maybe lesser competitors, it's just fair enough. It's kind of expensive, you know, relative to its maybe lesser competitors. It's kind of expensive. You guys have the like the UK solid in terms of food selection. You get obviously the basics plus a wide range. But then you guys are it's not a wide range is like, okay, this somebody just sat and generated random products and they made them range. Yeah, It's wild. It is.

It's the best thing ever. Okay. Okay, we have one left here. Well, we're just gonna do two because just something came to me that I really feel like we can't miss out on here as long as we're on the food topic. So overrated or underrated beans on toast.

Overrated, of course. It's disgusting. No offense, I've got the British flag here. It's not disgusting. It's the... It's probably not disgusting. Actually I would eat it just... It's probably just fine but... It's the food. Are you guys in relationships? Married?

Yes. Not to each other but we both have wives. We each have one wife. I cannot say that that was the direction I was going or the opposite because hey nice try matrix I just asked a general question left it with you made your own assumptions. Fair enough So it's the food That okay. I'll speak for myself now to be cool

Like when my wife is not here because she likes to cook sushi cooks and she's a top cook Like when my wife is not here because she likes to cook sushi cooks and she's a top cook Where I'm like, okay time to just combine single foods now and make up the macros and get fiber and vitamins. Yeah beans blueberries toast Empty tortilla wrap cool. We're Gucci like beans on toast is that level of meal like once I had Beans with crisps. All right and rice. Oh, I whatever. with crisps and rice. I was like whatever. Yeah.

We're hungry. That's what's there. If I'm being really fair and honest about it, if I grew up and lived in the UK, I bet beans on toast is probably something I would eat a fair bit. That'd be your comfort food tanner. Tanner's comfort food is like macaroni and cheese and hot dogs. Right. Across the pond, beans and toast, right? Yeah, I mean you guys are levels above that

Be like hot dogs. Yeah, we take fat to a different level. It's Best shit ever Okay, last one here. This is worth all the marbles overrated underrated breathe right nasal strips all the marbles overrated or underrated, breathe right nasal strips. Yeah, overrated for sure. I am addicted to nasal spray. It's adjusting. Yeah.

Like Flonase or? Um, so the main ingredient in this one is xylo metazoline, metazoline, whatever. It's not, um, the one with cortisone. Okay. But, um, long story short, made the classic rookie mistake, nose was clogged, get the spray, don't use it for over seven days. One extra day, what's the harm? Few years later, we're still here.

So I started laying off of it now because it's a tedious process because your nose will have to be somewhat clogged for a bit and it's the worst thing ever, especially with how much I communicate every day on calls and stuff. And part of it is just putting the strip on because it opens my nose and it makes me use it less.

But all of a sudden, it just so happened, the moment I decided to do that, the nasal strips are a thing. So I'm now obviously lumped in with everybody else that I don't know why they're using to breathe properly. Like breathing is not that deep, bro, just fucking breathe. Unless you have a broken nose or something, it's okay.

But they do help. Like it's surprising. Like when you put them on, you're like, oh. It does a little bit, yeah. Well, that works. I keep them in my back pocket for bedtime. Like when I'm like, no, I need a little, I need an ace in the hole tonight.

I can tell tonight's gonna be a difficult night's sleep. I need that breathe right strip to like Really like it's like when you're squatting you're like, nope Now it's time to put on the belt like I'm at I put the fourth plate on the third plate or fifth plate Whatever it is. Now I got the knee sleeves and the belt in the shoes That's like what the breathe right strip is like one more level for a good night's sleep or something I agree with your with your strategy. Yeah Okay, great news it looks like you passed overrated underrated so congratulations, let's go It's a big achievement. Thank you

It would be nice if you send me like a full-on diploma the graduation ceremony and like took the piss with the expenses for the joke that nobody would remember and went over the top with just taking it too long, flying me out. Don't put any of that past us. It's got to get through customs first, so we'll just see how that goes. It might get hung up there. We don't know. Yeah.

I ordered a bar once. I paid the price of the bar for the bar to be sent. This is because of the customs. What kind of the bar was it? Do you remember? Yeah, of course I remember. What bar do you think it was? You have three guesses. Texas Power Bar. No, no, no, wait. Keep in mind, UK, we're pretty advanced with gyms. In my city alone, we have multiple powerlifting gyms, like Ohio, Rogue. The classic bars exist and many specialty bars, but there was one bar that came out from a particular US company.

Kabuki. The transformer bar or Kabuki. Is it the new gen power bar or the deadlift bar? The deadlift bar. It was a Kabuki deadlift bar when it came out. Okay. So do you actually have it in your possession? Now the collector's item.

I've lent it to the Greek powerlifting federation, one of the federations in Greece and they use it for competitions. I have another deadlift bar, a strength shop one. Well you don't wanna let the Kabuki go because that is no more. That's one of a kind now. They're not making them anymore.

It's in Greece and it's being used for good reason. As long as you know where it's at. Yeah, for sure. Of course, it's with a great friend and powerlifting enthusiast. OK. We were talking about your YouTube channel. What is it on YouTube?

Is it Dr. Pac? I mean, that's what I looked up, but I'm not sure that's it. Yeah, you are on YouTube Yeah, I think you're are you dr. Pack on Instagram. There's maybe some underscores or something in there There's some underscores cause like there's dr. Pack without any underscores dr. Paka and dr. Paka both inactive accounts and I've message them and been like yo, bro Could I have that and them and been like, yo bro, could I have that? And they've been like, nope. Like I haven't responded obviously. So I had to go with double underscore,

absolute disgrace of a username. But that's great. That is not ideal. They have to go the double underscore, but. Double underscore. Yeah. That's rough. Yikes. But you gotta do what you gotta do. What about, you got to do what you got to do.

What about it? You mentioned your app that you'd have coming out. Where else should people find you and follow you and what else should people check out? Sign up to be, I said it almost like an ad. So the app is at myadapt.com. You can just go there, put your email and you'll be, we'll let you know when the app is out soon. And that's it, Instagram and YouTube are the main places. All my links are in my Instagram bio. If you wanna check out their research, it's all there, like my research gate profile,

but I doubt people are not like, what's the research gate profile, let me read all this. You'd be surprised with our audience there. Oh, okay, fair enough. It was pretty astute. Respect, cool. $50 by the Mesonomics team if you read one paper and provide proof. I guess I don't know. I don't know why I was going with that joke.

Do a report on it. Do a report on it. A summary. Yeah. Yeah. And it cannot be AI generated. We'll sniff that out. You have to post it on your Instagram page of you reciting a summary

Awesome well, we really appreciate it. Thank you for staying up even later earlier, whatever you consider this the normal Thank you. It's almost 420 by the way, so blaze it Let's Ross it. Yeah, it's not for 20 though. I gotta wait three minutes We do appreciate this was fun. Thanks, man. Thank you guys. All right. See you later. Hey You know, we don't bust these beans out too often, but those are a ceremonial cool beans on toast. Cool beans on toast. Every once in a while you get to give out the cool beans on toast. Not too often they get the real deal,

but he gets the real deal. I feel like I did over at Cool Beans on Toast isn't disgusting. No, it just would be like not the first choice for food. Like if I need food, a meal with some protein in it. I eat things comparable to beans on toast at times. Yeah, but like if I need food, a meal with some protein in it. I eat things comparable to beans on toast at times. Yeah, but like if I were to make a meal. When I'm comparable, I'm like, I'm not saying it's like almost beans on toast,

but it's like about the same level of quality of food. It's like umes on a wheat patty of some kind. That's what I meant. It's not that, but at the end of the day you'd be like, is this really better than beans on toast? I was probably like, no it's not, but it's just food though, I guess kind of almost food. I mean to a certain extent, yeah. Yeah, would it be like number one on my list though?

No. If I'm looking for a protein source. I mean it'd be close to the bottom of the list. I should read an ad here quick before we get too carry out what he got there this episode is also your best shot Pat Benatar Here we go Pat. This episode is also brought to you by barefoot shoes. I was just looking you know It's not technically at the time of recording Black Friday yet, but I would assume they probably have something going on for Black Friday over there, but In the meantime since we're recording this right now, they are our favorite barefoot shoes to wear in and out of the gym

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It's like it almost, you could, would have had to pay someone to like even do that on command. They just can't not not say anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I mean, I've given the barefoot shoes spiel so many times at physical therapy. I'm like, I'm just going to start handing out a car. Are they familiar with the concept of barefoot shoes? They'll be like, oh yeah, I get it.

Like minimalist shoes, you know, because they they're I suppose being in PT or maybe like more aware of odds on more aware of it than an average, the average population, you know, or it's more interesting to you because you're like, why are you wearing, you know, why do you choose to wear shoes like that? I suppose that's a thought that goes through PTs' head more often than that whole person. Yeah, that is what I just thought.

Yeah, that they just can't stay away. And I don't take them off. I'm actually in this thing where, because of my weird, the knee thing, and then my work schedule and my lifting schedule and my PT schedule, I now just wear the same thing all the time. Not just my shoes, but my, I wear gym shorts to work. Oh, you do? Yeah, because I'm like, well, it started because I started going back to work like

before. I probably should have. Uh-huh. But I'm like, I was so busy there, like, but I'm like, the only way I'm doing this is I'm going to wear short, I can't jam into jeans and like, I need to have my leg elevated and like doing all this stuff. So I'm like, I'm going to wear shorts to work. So then I wear them to the gym. And so what I, my daily outfit is I wear massonomic shorts, my Ursus low top black shoes, uh, work polo, and then like a

massonomic somewhat official. Right. I actually did change out of my polo for this would be like the one time I changed something, but so I wear a work polo, but then when I go to the gym, I I'm like, until I'm doing something. Right. Right. Yeah. You have a bad leg. It's not like you're just like, right. In a sweat the second you walk. So I'm like, I'm just going to continue to wear this.

I'm already wearing shorts. I just wear the shorts. I don't even change shoes and I just wear the polo. And then I go back to work and then I go to PT. Like I do it all wearing the. Yeah, I think about that, that it's like the gym is pretty chill for you Right now like right. Yeah Like even like so my hardest days is I'm like I'm doing a hard bench I'm doing a bench workout, but I'm like it's laying down bench like I'm not squatting and deadlifting like that's the thing

I get sweaty and hard tired from you know Can't do any of the things you get really anything right right so I just wear the same thing all the time Which is a weird really weird because I I'm more used to this like it's almost like these specific Outfit changes to designate what you're going to be doing then and now I'm like, nope I wear the same thing during everything you've entered my lifestyle. I just wear the same thing all the time, right? My wife's like, why don't you have other clothes? I'm like cuz I don't do other things. This is Because I don't you have other clothes? I'm like cuz I don't do other things. This is This is it have to yeah because I don't have to but mostly but you know, you know Like you don't have an amazing luxury over here I'm in wondering I probably do eventually have to start wearing pants to work again at some point, but It's a very funny statement to have though

Yeah, what if I do eventually have to start wearing pants to work? Wondering if I do eventually have to start wearing pants to work But because of the nature of me going in there and like I've been working a lot lately cuz we're really busy Nobody's gonna say anything because they're just like just glad he's here. He's working too hard. We don't care. What's on his lower body You need to go in with those Mike Tyson things that leave your ass exposed Tanner. Really start pushing the limits and just see how far you can take this. How about that Netflix? I actually didn't watch it. I didn't. I'm like, No, well, most people didn't watch it. Oh, that's what I hear. Yeah, I'm like, Nope, I, I just

can't, I can't be a part of this. I don't care enough. So I had to skip out on it. But it's like a lot of people were watching it, though. A lot of people were watching it though. A lot of the world was tuned in. I tuned in and caught the first couple fights, and then between Netflix not working and me getting increasingly tired, after a while I'm like, yep, I'm going to bed.

So you didn't see any of it? Nope, I suddenly was all of a sudden like, wait a second, I don't care about this, I'm tired. And I'm like, I don't care about boxing anyways. Like, if I cared about boxing, I'd watch other people that are actually like really good at boxing, not 60 year old men and like a YouTube guy.

Like, and there's nothing wrong with it. They could box. Is Jake Paul the one that was in the bar with us that time or is that Logan Paul? Okay, I have no idea. I for real, always mix this up. So I just gotta, Jake, yes, Jake Paul. How would you know? What are you referencing that you would know? I just have to see a picture of them. Okay, they look kind of the same though

Don't they? Oh Okay. Yeah, you're right. They do look way more similar than I thought. Okay That's what I'm like. What are you gonna look at to know which one that was because I'm like Thinking I think it I actually don't know is Jake Paul But in consensus the most famous or are they both equally famous? I don't I actually don't know is Jake Paul But in consensus the most famous or are they both equally famous? I don't I actually don't know the answer I might have a period of time without knowing that there was two of them Because now that I look at this Logan Paul, I kind of just thought Logan Paul was Jake Paul But he grew out a beard. I didn't I

Kind of for whatever reason I thought like one of them had like really dark hair and looked a lot different So I'm very mixed up now actually So which one do you think it was I actually don't know here This would be a better when I'm even googling the pictures of the two of them I don't even know who's who in the pictures. Oh, okay. I see this also do stupid like celebrity boxing No, I think he's a Is it in the WWE or it says professional wrestler So I don't know if he's I think it was Logan Paul in the bar because when I look at

Photos of Jake Paul pre beard cuz I don't think the guy at the bar had a beard and when I look at Jake Paul pre beard I'm like, yeah, it definitely was not that guy But okay, but then again Wasn't he there for like the slapboxing thing? Yeah, which guy was the slapboxing guy? Um, so this is where I'm probably wrong Let's see Slapboxing Boy this is not actually clear enough at all Yeah, this is this picture here when I do Logan Paul slapboxing. There's a picture of Logan Paul and Arnold together. So

It's gotta be you think it was Logan Paul pretty sure yes Pretty crazy, I don't know that I don't really understand the difference. I know it was one of those things where I think I Just you know missed them. We're just a little too old if we were five to ten years younger. I think I mean, we know by the numbers here They play a much larger part of your life if you're a younger person all these people know who like grew up with these guys I think through YouTube and all that but we were just old enough that we didn't grow up with them Old enough to know better but still too young to care I

Old enough to know better but still too young to care Exactly where this applies I think that's semi applies here Did you see the Strongman drama well I I didn't but then I saw you put this in there So I had to do a little dig in to see to get to the bottom of this one So I'm just briefly aware now of what may have taken place. So what'd you see? Anything in particular? Well, so you put Luke Stoltman in the list here.

So I had to Google around and apparently he was, according to his wife, cheating on her with women and men, is what it sounds like. That's what the claim was, and maybe not being a good father. Yeah, like what did she say? Was there like the birth of some child? I mean, obviously that stuff would go in hand in hand with not being a good father and. Yeah, like what did she say? Was there like the birth of some child? I mean obviously that stuff would go

in hand in hand with not being a good father. Right, I mean that kind of goes out saying doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, not good, that's for sure. He was sleeping around with other men and women and not being a good father. Yeah. On top of it.

What? No. And he was being a bad dad. How could that be given the rest of the things you previously stated? What in the hell? Yeah, that was the claim I guess. And I think there was maybe some assumptions

or connotations that some of the men could have been other strongman competitors. Oh really? I don't know. There was an implication, huh? I think there was some implication there. I'm not sure, I actually don't know well enough, but that's what I picked up on.

Okay. Maybe some of the other strongmen had to say like, I was not doing, There was some. Mood acts with Luke Stoltman. Some people had to clear the air. Yeah. Because it wasn't totally, oh.

Okay, which to be clear here, Tanner and I don't care if you're gay. That's totally fine. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. You can be gay with whoever you are. We don't care one bit. Well, unless you're married with kids and your wife doesn't want you to be doing that.

When it comes to being a bad dad, that's where we draw the line here. Yeah. Yeah. You can be plenty gay as long as to be a bad dad. That's where we draw the line here You can be plenty gay as long as you're a good dad just think about the kids man So we always say So that's it I figure that might be something fun for us to tiptoe around that something that will keep an eye on us a Serious issue and a lot of drama that we know almost next to nothing about that we could bring up on our podcast We'll keep an eye on TMZ. I'm sure they'll have the the reports everything going on here. Yes, exactly. Mm-hmm

Uh, we better we should probably do the song follow-up I see you follow up and lots of just just great commentary in the I listen to oh, okay Did you yeah, and then I'm like, wait a second, I know the song. Oh, you do. You know, I just didn't know what it was called or, you know, because I know that phrase in

the year twenty five, twenty five, if man is still alive. Is that the song or is that a different one? It's not the song. Oh, what was that song? I might have gotten confused with the songs that other people

were putting in there Okay, cuz I started like I listen to it I'm like I don't really feel like I'm getting this what Tommy's saying about this No, what was that song then? So the song was I have to know what the direction but I'm very curious What song you would have listened to now? Yeah Ah, it's got to be in my search history here. Oh Boy he's going to the history Damn it's all Nickelback and Matchbox 20 and Dang it

No, I'll know Well, what is the name of that song? That one is the Eve of Destruction. And there's- The one that you said. Yeah, the one that I said you just listened to. There were several interesting things. One, actually, the topic of this brought up

a lot of good commentary that we can now prove without a doubt that everybody's football coach was a history teacher that has now been proven in the Discord. Ah, yes. That's what, if you had a football coach was a history teacher that has now been proven in the discord. Yes. That's what if you had a football coach, they were a history teacher. We know that now. And I learned that there was a counter to the song because this was an anti-war song from like 1965 Vietnam era. Someone, another band, which I was not aware of this came out with a pro war version of the song called, um, Oh, what the hell was it now? I got to look it came out with a pro war version of the song called Oh

What the hell was it now I gotta look it up here the pro war version was the dawn of correction So the eve of destruction was what I recommended the spokesmen made a rebuttal to the song called the dawn of correction This is like an og rap beef battle from the 1960s where they basically take the phrasing and All of the most of the lyrics from the song and are kind of offering a rebuttal to everything Okay, so there was a bit of a rap beef there was yeah, which I thought was really interesting as a song goes I will say that just in every way. I think you have destruction is the far superior song regardless of Commentary anything, but yeah, even destruction was a much better song than the Dawn of Destruction.

I don't know what I looked it up on. I somehow, because the song I'm talking about is called In the Year 2525, but I know I looked up the Eve of Destruction because I remember seeing Barry Maguire and clicking on it. There almost had to have been something like, like does that ever happen in a streaming service where like the wrong, because that ever happen in a streaming service where like the law or the wrong?

Because I know I found Barry McGuire in the year 2525 is by X, X or T or a terminus. I don't know that one. Oh, that's like a part of that's like a parentheses that's in the name of this. Oh, it is the name of the yeah, it's like, oh, it's like, Zegar and Evans. Yeah, I don't know who they are, you know. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's like Zager and Evans. Yeah, I don't know who they are, you know. But I knew that song. I'll have to listen. And it's like not actually way off of what we're talking about here.

Like there's some correlation. So maybe someone else brought this song up and I got sidetracked and caught it. I don't know. Hmm. Oh, I'm just listening. So put that on your list in the year 2525. You don't hear this, do you? I have it in my headphones.

No. Oh, okay. Yes. You know know that yes. I have heard that song. Yes Yeah, still very different. What was funny though is because I had to I had to play Eva destruction One more because everyone was talking about I'm like, okay I gotta give it one more just clean listen here and I put it on when I went out to the gym the other day. And then just Spotify instantly just kind of playing 60s rock. Yeah, I noticed that in your, it was just rolling, yeah. And yeah, I think it was Big Kim from Barbell Rescue. He commented like, oh, I think he sent me a DM.

He's like, are you on Eva Destruction radio? And I'm like, yeah, man, it's just rolling right now. It was good. Yep. I listened to 60s rock or 70s rock quite a bit in the gym if I'm like, yeah, man, it's just rolling right now. It was good. Yep. I listened to 60s rock or 70s rock quite a bit in the gym if I'm by myself. I usually don't do it if there's many people in there because I'm like, I don't know that this is everyone's vibe.

So I will. Well, typically I just let other people control it. So when I say it's by myself, because that's usually when I control it. But that is lately what I like. Literally, that's what I'll type in either 60s rock or 70s rock. And I don't like all the tracks for lifting but I found every other one or so is in the and that is it some of it's like, okay

Like this song actually just sucks like this is not good They're like, okay This song has been displayed so many times that it's also played out and it's not good But there's also a lot of bangers in there too. There's a lot of classic. Yeah like So did you listen to the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? I did, yes. Just, I mean, yeah, great, great song, classic.

Just a banger. Did you get the impression, was there some people that were maybe not familiar with that after our last? That's possible, I hope they are by now. Does it inspire you to want to go on a little vacation to Duluth this summer or this winter? Dude, have you ever been up there before? Yeah, I have been to Duluth, but not since I was like with my parents.

Oh, dude. I could be like taking our kids. Last time I went was probably. That's on our list anyways, so. Yeah, last time. But that even makes even more so now. Yes, oh, I went a little over 10 years ago and I'm like, this is so cool up here.

This is. It is really cool. Yeah, it was a good time. Like I've actually remembered doing a few like ship tours and stuff. Oh you didn't Oh, you really did. See I went for more of a snowboarding trip So we didn't get to do okay as much but we got to go to the what's a canal area? Whatever that is there You reminded me of something that I thought I mentioned my wife today completely unrelated to everything we're talking about right here But because you said snowboarding trip Do you remember when you were growing up with their kids that would wear?

Do you remember snow? I would call it snowmobile jackets. Oh god. Oh, I could I could go on this topic for a very long time This was something me my friends talked about quite extensively. Yes, like People would just be the guys that had their art you an articact. I had the art like jackets. What really flipped the game on its head was about 2006 or 7 when Monster started making snowmobile jackets. That's what really took the game to another level. Yes. Yeah. And I was even thinking older than that, like just the iconic, like you had the orange, just the bright orange arctic cat one. And yeah, the guy had the yellow, uh, what? Ski-Doo one and then the Polaris blue one. Yeah. But, yeah, but then people I'm

Quite sure people wouldn't even own snowmobiles They would have snowmobile jackets where you know where I grew up and I'm sure there's the same for you There was a fair number of kids that don't kind of had a snow well Yeah, I kind of did but there was a lot of kids that rolled their snowmobiles to school Right, right. And so like they had their whole kid on to go to school in the morning. They had their snowmobiles parked out front. I didn't really have it.

I had a few friends though, because we just like talk about it and kind of make fun of it just because it's like the race suit. Right. Like they had a few friends that had snowmobiles, but they would only wear the snowmobile stuff when they were like out snowmobiling.

They wouldn't wear it out in public. Yeah. No, that people- Snowm. No, that's a good one. I haven't talked about that in a long time. A lot of people would just wear those jackets. Like that was their winter jacket, was like their snowmobile jacket, you know. I'm sure they're extremely expensive. Oh yeah, I bet they, I'm sure they were not cheap.

Even Googling them now, modern ones are nothing. Like these suck, these do not have the vibe. I just Oh, God. Yeah, these are trying too much to be fashionable. Like, Yeah, those are like those like look like nice jackets. But if I look up snowmobile jacket nineties, oh, the checkered like I straight up remember almost every one of these. If you just type in snowmobile jacket 90s and like some of them Oh, yes, okay. patterned checkers on them and

Yeah, like this like this green. Yeah, this green arcticat one lime green with lime green and purple and There's checker. Yeah checkerboard on it. Oh, yeah, dude. This is actually just in style It is a Polaris thing. I think actually maybe so well, maybe it no I think it's kind of all of them are the cat ones to that maybe it no, I think Cat wants to that have it. Yeah, that might just be a snowmobile thing. I guess I don't know. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay now I got to see okay two thousand I got to type in two thousands now cuz you know That would have been more when I was in high school here. Oh, yeah, like and now you can see yeah this Polaris one Polaris racing. Yep.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. These modern ones, these contemporary ones, though, are just like way too nice looking. Yeah, they just look like an actual, they don't look like you're ready to go racing. No. Look like you're sponsored.

Yeah, the other ones, like the ones from the 90s and early 2000s were taking much more inspiration from a NASCAR driver's jacket And these newer ones are taking much more inspiration from like a North Face jacket I guess to be fair the alternative the thing that I was wearing was a 90s starter jacket Which in comparison is not that different You know you're wearing the Charlotte Hornets 90s 90 starter jacket that's turquoise with purple stripes on Pocket in the front well that giant mascot on like on the back of it. Yes. Yes There is something about the 90 starters jackets though that I still love that I'm like I could almost see myself buying one of those non-ironically. The craziest part is when you look now,

because they do, there's such a just almost like street wear part of fashion thing is when you go back and see photos of coaches actually wearing those on the sideline. Because now you'd think they're wearing a costume if they were wearing that. Right, right. You'd be like, oh, you're wearing one of those. One thing I do think about though,

and I know this gets talked about, is that it's actually amazing how casual football coaches clothing has become over the last like 10 years Like a lot of coaches they just straight-up wear a hoodie They got like a hoodie and just like pants on like that's their uniform The it might be the one casual coach uniform out of every sport the old coach picture that I love the most is, God, it's what's his name, Tony Dungy for the Vikings. He's wearing a purple Viking starter jacket and then it's a different black coach for the Packers

and they're both wearing wild hats and they both have glasses on. I got it right here. They just are like, have the most, like they are just like dripping sweat. Yes, oh and he's got the turtle neck on too. And then, yeah. I got it right here. They just are like have the most like they are just like dripping sway. Yes back on to It's like like holding the classic green Gatorade coffee I'm like wow that picture is

Nuts, but like you could show that now people like ah Are those guys going to get coffee nowadays or is that right real thing? Right and that was to NFL coaches, like probably at a cold game. It was either at, well, wouldn't have been it. It was at Lambeau field, presumably. I doubt they'd be dressed like that inside the Metro. It's like, I'm going to sweat today. Yeah.

But even the hats that they're wearing, I like, oh, that is a, that they definitely passed the vibe check at the time. It's just style. And even they're wearing, it's exactly what you said, it's even to the glasses that they're wearing because people would, will buy those glasses now. People just wear those glasses now.

It has a cool look. That's what I'm saying. Like that, like Tony Dungey in that picture, there could be like a 25 year old dude that wears that exact outfit to look really cool. Yeah, 100%. Like if you go to the zoo this weekend, there will be guys showing up to the zoo dressed like that.

Identical, that look exactly like, yes, yes. Snowmobile jackets. Good stuff, good old days. We used to be a proper country they say. We used to be a proper country. Excellent use of we used to be a proper country. Thank you. This episode is brought to you by our fine friends over at the Strength Co.

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Chris D'Alia. We actually we've seen him, this is the second time we've seen him now. Last time we saw him, it was about a year and a half ago, we went to Minneapolis, he was actually recording a special. So we were there, which was kind of cool, you know, getting to see the whole special take place and do that whole thing. Well, this one was just a chill show in Sioux Falls,

you know, it was nothing, nothing like that. And man, I actually think I like this show a lot more because dude, for the first, I don't know, if he was on for maybe an hour, I bet 40 minutes of it was just him riffing off the crowd. Like he was not, he was not doing material at all. Whereas with the special, like it felt like, okay, yeah, the man has a script he has to follow, which yes,

he's filming a special, that's the point of it. But this, he went so long just, and part of it is, okay, like some of it sucks, I shouldn't say sucks, but it's predictable in the way that he's like, okay, we're in South Dakota. Okay, how many of like the, oh, we're in South Dakota, jokes are we going to do? But it was funny because he, where he was taken was like, so, because the place, the venue was right by the mall. And he's like, the mall, because he the mall. And he's like, the mall, because he lives in California, he's like, you know, the rest of the world's like, fuck malls, we're not doing malls,

but South Dakota, you guys do malls, man. Like, because I think he was talking about just how busy it was, because that mall is insane. If you go to that mall any weekend, it is just nuts. And he's like, oh, just everyone there. They're like, give me that shitty food core food. Like, he's talking about it. And then I think at one And he's like, Oh, just everyone there. They're like, give me that shitty food core food. Like he's talking about it. And then I think at one point he's like, like what else? He's like, and you got an Applebee's in there. He's like, I just like, I just like needed some food. I thought,

yeah, if there's a place you can get food, it's Applebee's. And it is something about like having like an hour and a half wait. And he's like an hour and a half wait for Applebee's. Like what's going on here? You know, he's talking about that. And somehow it came up, like there's a guy in the crowd. He's like, I work there. And so then he starts like talking about that. And then all of a sudden he's like, what else do you guys got? And someone's like, Texas Roadhouse,

because it's right there. And he's like, oh, he's like, do you work there? And the guy's like, yeah. So then he's just like riffing off of these guys working at Applebee's in Texas Roadhouse. And that just went on and on. And then eventually there was of course a super drunk kind of like heckler lady. And it was so funny because like she's doing the thing where, you know, she's clearly trying to get attention. And then all of a sudden he flips it on here. He's like, okay, here we go. And she's like, now, now he's like, no, no, no, this is my show.

It's like, you wanted it. Here we go. And so all of a sudden he's like, no, no, he's like, no, no, no, this is my show. Yeah. He's like, you wanted it. Here we go. And so all of a sudden, he's like, going on that. And it was pretty funny, because then she has a guy with her. Then he's kind of trying to chime in. He's like, sir, what does your shirt say? He's like, no, no, really? The guy's shirt said, here to fuck shit up.

And he's like, of course it does. So he's going on that. And yeah, overall, it was a really funny show, but it was just, I hadn't been to one where it was just so much just crowd work for like three quarters and he'd be like, okay, yeah, I promise guys, I'll get to some material here pretty soon, but this is, this is pretty good right now. And then he'd go and then he'd keep going. He's like, okay, are we ready for some material?

He's like, no, actually, you know what? I'm not done yet. And then he'd just keep going back and like, okay, are we ready for some material? He's like, no, actually, you know what, I'm not done yet. And then he'd just keep going back and yeah, it was pretty entertaining. I thought you were gonna say my wife's favorite comic, Jeff Dunham. Yeah, she's a big fan of Larry the Cable Guy, Larry the Cable Guy, Carlos Mencia,

just like early 2000s comedy. She's really into all of that. Crowd work, I was thinking, who's the comedian that's always online doing, it's Matt Reif, are you familiar with Matt Reif at all? That's like- Only because I'd never heard of him until he came to Sioux Falls like a year ago

and people were freaking out about it. I'd never heard of him. Admittedly, I don't keep up with- His whole thing is crowd work. Oh, is it? Like that's what I, I don't know. that's what I see online all the time is him That's what it gets goes viral is what every time he's doing that so I assume he does it a lot Yeah, I think also comedians try to do that because those clips do tend to go more viral, you know, they're saying a joke

Crystalia can't remember what road trip it was on, but it was, remember we played something. I was just dying laughing. I haven't listened to that since then. It was the first time we drove to the Arnold. I played, I'd have to go back, I know you could Google it and figure out what exact episode, but he used to always do the, he'd read the Miss Connections on Craigslist,

which was always basically someone writing some horny love letter to a person they didn't meet. And what was the one that he said, either way, he was reading some misconnections thing. But then I think, cause the guy said like, we can jack off or whatever. And then he's like, man, this is like the Liam Neeson of like whatever he's like, I will find you and I will jack you off or whatever. And he's like, and he keeps going on with this like point of view of this guy trying to hunt someone down to jack of off For so long. I do remember tanner. That was the hardest I ever heard you laugh like your back was crampy and everything

And that's why I always enjoy his podcast way more than this I don't even watch the specials because I always think his podcast is so much funnier because he's just kind of just saying dumb shit The whole time you get shit the whole time. Yeah. Uh, didn't he get canceled for awhile and then came back? Yeah. Yeah. I don't still don't know. There was a lot of sexual allegations of what, I don't know if things happened or if it was like just texts that were inappropriate to like people that were

maybe 17 or something, I don't actually know what the thing was. I don't think any charges were ever filed either. So, yeah, but he did. He did definitely disappear for a while. Oh, the other thing too. Okay. There's two other things that are funny. One is you do, I think for, nah, it's interesting because these guys clearly tour everywhere. Like they go all over the country. Right. And for the most part, they're just like saying funny jokes. And okay. So first of all, they can't, they go all over the country. Right. And for the most part, they're just like saying funny jokes and okay, so first of all, they can't, they can't escape the political thing.

Like the opener talked way more about politics and it like right away, like fairly early on, me and my wife, we get each other like, oh God. Like the guy was telling a lot of funny jokes and we're like, oh, he's like, so how about the election? And you're like, okay, is this gonna be like a long thing or how long this is gonna go? Yeah. And then it's like, okay, sure, you could have political

jokes, but at least like surprise me, have some new take or something. And it was like, that Kamala, she laughs a lot. And it's like, and Donald's pretty crazy. And it's like, okay, like none of those are unique observations and they're not even really jokes. And even like, there was clearly some people in the crowd that were very fired up and excited for that part because you're talking politics.

And that's what some people's identity is based around. But to me, it felt like there was a while where like the crowd was really hyped and then they were kind of like, ah, let's get this part done with. And then all of a sudden they were in a good mood again. So that was the opener. And yeah, like we were at a certain point, Lee's like, ah, is this part of it ever going to get done? It's so annoying. So that part gets done. And then so Chris comes out and he kind of sort of just does the same thing where he's just like, politics, huh? Like kind of just like what's going on in the world. And then the next one that he goes into though, is he's kind of talking about like cancel culture and just things like that.

And part of me, I shouldn't say part of me, you're listening to it and you're like, these jokes kind of don't hit because the stuff he's talking about, those are not issues in South Dakota. That's just how it is here. We're not a very diverse state. There's not a lot of openly, I mean, first of all, there's just not a lot of openly gay people you run into, but if you're just going to run the gamut of LGBTQ issues, there's just not a lot of that in public. Whereas

in California or somewhere that can be way more in your face when you go out. So when he's kind of talking about some of those things, you can just tell the crowds, yeah, we don't relate at all. Some people are definitely like, that's never happened to me in my life in my small town of 3000 people that I live in, you know? Right, right. So like, it is just funny some of the things that he talks about that are clearly just not issues

in some people's lives and then, you know, a much bigger issue in his life. Overall, it was really good though. It actually was, it was really fun. overall, it was really good though. It actually was. It was really fun. Yeah. We had it. We had a good time.

Uh, before we close this episode, there was one other thing. Uh, this would be a parting note. I want everyone to ponder on this today at the gym. Megan Effenstine E told me about a deal that her and Tyler are doing at Ruby Tuesdays. Oh, I think I saw something about this. Yeah. For so for one month, you buy access for let's see, was it was $40, $40 for one month. You get to eat at the salad bar every day of the month.

Yeah, I got I got it right here. $40. Okay, I got it, yes. Okay, it's the Ruby Tuesday Garden. Every single day. Yeah, the Garden. That's like a dollar and 30 cents a day. The Garden Bar Pass, a salad a day under $2. One pass is 30 days for $39.99.

And if, okay, if you're not familiar with Ruby Tuesday, you might say a salad a day, like I don't care about a salad a day, but that's tricky. That's actually not correct labeling for this familiar with Ruby Tuesday, you might say a salad a day. I don't care about a salad a day, but that's tricky. That's actually not correct labeling for this because what it actually is, is get 30 days of our, this is right from the website, 30 days of our all you can eat garden bar for one low price. And their salad bar is kind of like a buffet line like there's yes, I mean all of the there's all of the regular salad fixers You have all the eggs there's ham and you know, there's bacon

There's different meats that you would put on your salad, but then there's also all types of like other salads You know potato salad things like that cheeses Yeah for like for 40 bucks. That's a pretty damn good deal Especially if you live closer Ruby Ruby Tuesday. They told me they were on day two of it and they were gonna go every day. And if you don't buy a drink or a dish, she even told the waitress, she's like,

you're not gonna make money on me, we're not buying anything else, we're just coming, we're gonna come and get a water and have our $1 salad bar each. Even if you went like five times, it's still totally worth it. You went like every other day. It's still it becomes like a $2.50 a day meal. I think to just go and just have the garden bar is probably like $8.

Right, right. You know, and she also said there's a 90 day really can sign up for. I wonder if it gets even cheaper. I don't know how it could be cheaper, but. Really? I wonder if it gets even cheaper. I don't know how it could be cheaper, but... She was explaining this to me. I'm like, what? How?

What's the... That is really cheap though. What is going on? I guess you get people in the door. Yeah, that's probably what it is. This thing here, and I just saw a comment here online. I didn't find it, but it says there's a 90 day pass for $99. Yeah, she was talking about that. Yeah. Yeah. If you live close to one where it was like,

you could just pop in and just get, you know, treat it like a little appetizer or just need a little snack. Damn, you could, you could go crazy. Then I was like, so is it like you can only go at like 11 a.m. or like some weird time. She's like, nope, any time they're open, you can go once a day. Dude, you could eat a lot of hard boiled eggs on that. On that salad, you can get your money's worth on hard boiled eggs, easy. It intrigued me, like that's not my normal meal.

Well dude, it's like basically across the street from your work, you could pop over there and just. Like I'm like, I need to go in, just go eat there just to investigate the salad bar closely. And no one's gotta wait on you. You just go in and just This doesn't even need to be a meal I could just go like as an extra like You know just like if you were bulking just like nope. This is just my 330 p.m. Meal every day and it costs a dollar or like I got done eating or I'm about to go leave for lunch

This will be my, my, my premium before I go eat. Well what I asked her, the key question is here, do they have cottage cheese on the salad bar? Oh they have to, right? Yeah, I would assume so. Yeah, I did just look. That could just save me money in cottage cheese. Good.

Yeah, the closest runway Tuesday for me is like over 20 minutes away, so yeah, that just wouldn't be advantageous for me. But dude, I think you might, you might be worth looking into that one, Tanner. Yeah, but then I'm gonna wanna do it every, I'm gonna be like, no, to really maximize, I need to be here every day.

You're gonna end up with like 25 people that are just like at Ruby Tuesdays every single day. Well, this is, so according to Google, the price of Ruby Tuesday's endless garden bar on Monday is 9.99. So really you only need to go like three times and it's basically paid for itself. Going to Ruby Tuesdays three times in one month

would be a lot. Well, what about three times in a week? Three times in a day. So which reminds me, make sure to check out our Thanksgiving Black Friday drop this week. It's our biggest sales event of the year. Anyone that supports we appreciate it, we will remembering it we are keeping a list anyone that doesn't we're also keeping a list. You don't't, we're also keeping a list. You don't want to end up on that one.

No, make the right call. You know what to do. Yeah. Tommy, where do they find you at? You can find me at tomahawk underscore D. Follow me at Tanner underscore bear. Just make sure to follow Mastinomics at Mastinomics. See you. See ya!