Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 457: The Powerlifter's Guide to Building a Home Gym

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Welcome everyone for episode 457 of the Mastomix podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. I want to get this out of the way, Tommy, before anyone starts rumors. I have tried to start taking creatine again. Oh, OK. I just don't want anyone to start, you know, spreading

vicious rumors. I just want to be open and upfront about it. I have started to try. Well, you said again, which indicates you've taken it before. So your natty cart has been revoked long ago. That's true. The thing is is I can never really stick to it So I don't know how long you have to officially stay on creatine to be considered not natty or is it just you just take it Just once just once or to ruin a ruin a lifetime Yeah, so

Maybe no more Natty card. I keep I have like this superstition now with creatine cuz like in the last year I've tried starting at three times and always within a month of me starting and I get sick So I'm like, well, I know there's no reason that that's what's causing me But it's just at this point a dumb superstition, but I've kind of just been sick off and on for the last month I'm like at this point doesn't even that I'm just sick all the time That's I was gonna say if I was the listener of the Mastodon mix podcast, when they hear you say that they would say, well, yeah, but you've been sick on and off every other month all year. So the current creatine, of course, it's going to be within a 30 day

window of the creatine. Yeah. And in case anyone's wondering, I was also somewhat sick over Christmas time. So I'll just, just keep my streak alive. That's that's two times I was sick in December. So, yep. Well, it's can't have your new you. New year, new sickness.

I think is what I'm looking forward to. Yeah. This episode does come out in 2025. So crack the champagne. Mastodon mix has made it into another year. Somehow hit the black eyed peas. I got a feeling. Close enough. Yeah.

I'm sure most bars and clubs will be playing that on New Year's. Yeah, that's right. You you heard disturbed. That means it's the new year. Yeah, I actually maybe neck for next episode. I'm going to clip the part of the song where the disturbing part where he's like Mommy, no mommy Because they don't play that version in most places I feel like that part goes on way longer than you feel like it should right? Yeah, I can't

A lot of the songs though. Oh, I don't know I mean, I've heard it so many times that I just like I don't know that I could be wrong there actually for service No, maybe it is edit that didn't have that part of it. It's like Let's remove the domestic abuse for the radio the domestic abuse skit for the radio single I might be wrong with that being removed. I'm not That doesn't bother me if they take that out but speaking of creatine They've got it at build fast formula comm if you too want to no longer be natural take some creatine from build fast formula

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I did use the Texas crossbar. The only reason I even got that is because you said, well, what bar? Which you wouldn't push the matter on the deadlift bar. I did use the Texas the only reason I even got that because he said well what bar which you would Push the matter on the deadlift bar No, that cuz I think it was Keith and there's someone in the discord recently asked what I actually thought of the Texas crossbar I'm like to be honest I've maybe used that bar once and I don't even know if I really used it or if I was just messing around so I used it today and

It was actually, this actually goes to my point, a bigger point of that whole thing is, I'm a guy that obviously likes barbells. Yes. But with this next part, I'm gonna say maybe a somewhat ironic or what you, I don't know if that's irony

or just maybe not what you would expect. I was in there lifting a couple days ago with your brother, Flying Ryan, and we had a discussion that like, for the most part, I don't, I mean, we have like 30 bars that are all just fine. And I don't actually even care. Like, I don't even know if, like we have all these high, you know, nice quality bars, a lot of them made by Texas Power

Bars, you know, some made by several other manufacturers, you name it, we've got it. And really, they all are good. I don't even know like, if it is the thing is like, it's definitely the diminishing returns. Because once you get to like any premium option, the performance is going to be essentially the same is right, the feel and the feel is 90% the same on all of them too. You know? And yeah.

And so then like, you know, it's all this discussion around the nerling and stuff like that. And we've done reviews and we talk about it specifically too. So I'm like, maybe, um, you know, what would that be called if you're saying something, opposing something you said before in the past? I'm not necessarily flip-flopping, but like, maybe I just cut, I don't know, I can't think of the word I'm thinking of, but I'm just like, God dang it, I can't think of synonyms for the word I'm trying to think of, but like I'm saying things now that maybe you've heard

me say. Yeah, I'm contradicting myself. Yes, thank you. Everyone knows I'm contrad to think of but like I'm saying things now that maybe you've heard me. Yeah, I'm contradicting myself. Yes. Thank you Everyone knows I'm contradicting myself. I don't know why I could think of that word, but it's just like particularly like the knurling only hardly matters to me on a deadlift at all and even if it even matters then like I can depth I've Deadlifted a lot of weight on bars relatively a lot of weight on bars that don't have exceptional knurling and... Yeah, I'll say... And like on squat, I want it to have center knurling, you know? Yes, so like that's where, again, like we're just talking about once you're at a bear,

a minute, like a certain level of standing, it is definitely diminishing returns. I will say this, like once you start start getting, like, in the 400s, a decent nerling is the difference between needing chalk and not needing chalk. Like, when I was at the commercial gym, when all the bars just had the most passive nerling, it's like- And you're talking about using shitty bars. Yes. Like, commercial barbell.

Like, nothing from Rogue, nothing from Texas Power Bars, nothing from, you know, literally having rep bars, but- American barbells we don't really have any red bars, but American barbell, American barbell, the strength, whoever. Like once you're just kind of talking like generic commercial bars, like they get hard to hold on to in a hurry. They really do. Right. Right. So like, okay, once you get up to something that just has some nerling, all right.

Now all of a sudden you can go much longer without needing chalk. Like I still, to this day, the number of times I've used chalk ever on my 29 millimeter Texas Power Bar is like, I've maybe used chalk like four or five times ever. Like you just don't really need to because the bar's got so much point to it.

I only use chalk out of ritual at times. And that's actually a bigger part of it probably is just like, it's one of those steps you go through to dial you in but Is I 100% agree like it is over-exaggerated a Lot but there is a big difference between when you're at a commercial gym and they give you the shitty 32 millimeter bars or 30 millimeter bars and you're benching with these ones that bench again doesn't really matter a ton

But when you're dead lifting With these that have terrible nerling when you're deadlifting with these that have terrible nerling when you're squatting ones ones that don't have center nerling and again bench not a huge deal and also depends all this on your weight like if everything you're touching is around like two plates or less I don't know if it matters at all honestly. Right. Yeah. You know what I think it actually is I just had this thought in my head it's the normal distribution where people make it means and unlike the Inside and outside of the distribution like there's all the people like there's the people in the middle where the bar really matters

there's the people at the beginning where The bar doesn't matter Bar doesn't matter again, that's kind of what, like, that all being said, I do think the bar matters, and especially when we're talking about what you're talking about, but when I'm talking about just all these nice bars against each other, I'm like, eh.

Well yeah, and that is because they're all nice bars though. Like none of them are pulled from a fitness center, that's a no-name thing that no one knows what it is, because like people would throw that bar in the corner and you just wouldn't see it again. Right, right, right. It's like, oh man this this gym full of just high-end premium bars. They're all the same to me Yeah Right the Texas crossbar is good though, it's good to do also the bar matters more

This is also a ritual thing the heavier training day. I'm gonna have oh, yes So more I'm like no, okay now I want that bar And that's still it's like the chalk though almost still where I think it's still more of a ritual than anything where I'm like No, I'm using that bar because yeah, I need I'm pulling out all the stops. I gotta have the best bar today Yeah, anything up to chance here. You gotta, it's gotta be the real deal. Right. That's my bar thoughts. It's bar talk.

I love this bar. I want that song clip too. No way. Okay, so we've got a title topic this week on this week's episode. Last week we did the call-in episode. This week we're switching to a title topic. Tommy, did you see the rundown

of our top most listened episode, most listened slash viewed episode of the 12.5? Yeah, I was hoping we'd actually get to talk about that a little bit because you did that just a few hours ago, so I've only got to look at it for a second and we haven't actually talked about it. Yep. And those are all factual.

We didn't cook the books to- Those are real numbers. Those are, I didn't put the numbers out because we have to keep those secret. But for my viewing pleasure, those numbers were real. You were trying to trick me. Yeah, no, the numbers to you were real and the ordering was correct And like there's not huge get like if you look at the top ten There's not huge disparity like between each look

It's not like number one actually number one and number two are very close if I remember right yeah You know like less than ten percent different or maybe less than five percent different like very cool You go down the list all those high ones are fairly close on Yeah, the top two did run away with it a little bit, but and part of it is because that also factors in YouTube numbers and rewards like people and names that it thinks right our audio downloads safe More consistent than our YouTube downloads do on the podcast the YouTube can be a big X factor where if we all of a sudden Get a YouTube one that pops off relatively speaking,

it can kick up the overall numbers. Yeah, like that episode we had with George Clooney did really well because it's George Clooney, so. Right, right. And it was called Ocean 69. Yeah. Yeah, that was a classic. Yeah, so was there any surprises to you in the top 10?

No, the first one, well, should we kind of run through these just a little bit? Yeah, we could quickly. So the top episode of the year, well, kind of in list fashion, I don't know, maybe if we're going to run through these we should start at number 10. Go 10. Let's go 10. We don't want to start at number 52 go to work away. Let's go ten So number two don't want to start start at number 52 Recap of all 52 episodes and the performance of them Yeah, not surprising the worst performing episode of the year was the one that has only been out for a day. So Right that really doesn't there is a little bit of a trickery to that or not trickery, but it's like just there's time Chance to find it So yeah, the episode that has that been released for 24 hours hasn't done that well because it's been released for 24 hours

Right number 10 the 10th best episode of the year by total numbers was episode 4 16 building a new home gym and was this my first or is that number nine or is that sorry? Sorry? Sorry? Sorry? Yeah, cuz number number one. Yeah, right, right. I was My lines. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in barbell number 10 our old buddy Huck Finn good to see he made the top 10 Yep, the home gym guy himself over there Yes, I heard him heard him say 20 25 zero the home gym. So old prediction. We're just taking notes Watch out for that guy to steal our formula on everything just like he has in the past. Yeah, what's new there? Next up building a new home gym was number nine on the list. I believe this was the one was this the episode with Keith on it

Yes. Yeah. Yes. It's the one we're in the the thumbnail you put that in the Funny I actually forgot about that place. I thought that was that was funny and there was that was within What do we got that was March 25th? That was basically within like a week or two of me. I That might have been the week of my first lift in the home gym. New gym, yeah. Because we got back from the Arnold early in March. Took me like a couple weeks to get everything ready and that was probably the first week

that I actually had lifted in the gym. Keith grilled me on all the do's and don'ts of a home gym, what I need. And I'm sure if I went back and looked, most of those things that we talked about have probably now been purchased. And now look at where you're at. Oh God. That was where it all started to go downhill, wasn't it?

Episode our number eight Our good friend of the podcast remember you used to see that saying a lot friend of the podcast Yeah, I mean the Brad Brad Gillingham friend of the podcast Sayings gone by the wayside a little bit, but it does come around and friend of the pot friends of the podcast great again Grant Brogi and the episode was titled is starting strength the cult where we went through the questions and asked is starting strength the cult Is it you'll have to listen to the episode to actually decide for yourself, but yeah that we also decide if massomics is a cult Yes, we that was also part of it Next up is a 315 pound bench press realistic

It's an title that I always gets people interested number six Building a home gym with basement Brandon back on our old friend of the podcast Yeah, this old friend of the podcast basement Brandon back on our home gym bullshit, and we're talking we're talking home gyms and Again, I would assume most the things we talked about there probably have come into existence as well Number five on the list huge home gym expansion with flux gym and that one's actually only been out for a week You know week. Yeah. Yeah a week And that one is already cracking the top five.

So that was really well on inside there. Yeah. Yeah. Where we also talk about home gym stuff. Number four, this was maybe the one that surprised me the most. And I, you know, if you would have thought about long enough, I would have think I got this one. But number four was the rogue, rogue fitness, constructive criticism, where we were annoyed with them after going to home gym con and have the company policy where people from their company are not allowed to speak to people on camera, which is kind of insane. But that's how they run that tight, tight, tight ship they got over there. You know what

they say? loose lips sink ships, Tanner. Burn the boats. You can't be sinking that ship over there. I love a good ship analogy for anything here. Yes you do. Yeah. Yes you do. Loose lips sink ships.

That's a tongue twister. So that was our, that was the the topic of that episode though is How rogue doesn't allow their employees to talk to right people without maybe some? Advanced government clearance or however that system works there Number three I have an advance. I have an advanced government Yeah, I have a security clearance I guess is what you would call that from being in the military or what? Yeah, like for my MOS you have to have a security clearance. I believe I just want to make sure I'm using the right Terminology even it's been so long

Otherwise wait, do you still have this are you still allowed to use this? I Don't know. I assume it's not I Mean, I don't even know what I'm saying what it means like you had to uh Badge at least no Didn't get a badge no oh someone some vets listening to this will Explain better than me what the security clearance level is required to be and

particular MOS is like for my, for field artillery for 13 Mike MLRS. Okay, big mofo, here's a vet. He said likely expired by now. But am I using the right terminology? I had a security clearance. I don't know what the hell that even meant, honestly, if I'm being real about that.

You're allowed to be in the military. Well, no, because it is like other, a lot of MOS is don't require it. Oh Really? Yeah. Yeah, so you were a bit of a secret spy of sorts I think there was more of a background check involved also to like a lot deep a little bit deeper background check. Okay Yeah, that's all I remember. Oh they once you get out they use one of those men in black You don't remember a thing They the wife your memory All right, well entering the top three on the list we have the strongest man on earth Mitch Hooper

Which not surprising probably the biggest name we had on the podcast all year Yeah, and that was not the longest name, but it's a bit it was not physically the biggest name, but but as far as just The this the aura the celebrity status he probably had the biggest one and That also when we had worked on for a long time wasn't it to get him That would did take a long time a help of the crew big Joey helped Put a bug in his ear enough times. He said I that's it. I'm doing it broke him down

I can't well and we yeah, we put in we had to even do our our Lay the groundwork with him at the Arnold last year and that didn't come around for many money many months after that. So mm-hmm number two juji Muf, viral start of fitness icon. Good to see this one go top two because that one was a lot of work. It was in person. It was the only podcast episode we've done with a double camera like that, in that style, with a guest.

Yeah, watch that one on YouTube. Oh, that one's amazing. It looks great. It looks so good. When I watch that back, I'm like, man, if we got paid a ton of money, we could just go everywhere and do this But it is a lot of work to do that one to go back and edit that nice and make sure it all makes sense But the finished piece is a very well produced podcast and the number one episode of the entire year

coop of garage gym reviews gear YouTube haters and more Like we timed that one pretty decent, didn't we? We had a great timing on that one actually as a part of the reason why that one, I mean, to be fair, that's part of the reason why that one went so well is we had perfect timing on that one. Because there was like a little, there was controversy over him not being at home gym con and like videos being made about it. And we had him on the podcast like a week after that happened. So yeah. Yeah. But that's where it pays that we had a little bit, you know, when you have a relationship with people you can when you have your figure out the pulse of the industry.

Right. So that was our top, top episodes of 2024. Yeah, it's a good list. And any of those, I'd go back and listen to those you guys haven't listened to those Those are all bangers. They're the tops They're what do you got a can? Oh, did we never talked about it? Did you get a can over there? Oh My can is in that box right over there. Maybe I'll grab it quick. Yeah, do you have there's two left? I think oh Let's go with the flavored one then okay. Yeah Tommy is getting his can right now. I can only imagine which one he's grabbing. I hope it matches up with mine.

Okay, I did not realize that the flavored one I have left is lemon lime and I'm quite excited right now. Yeah, I thought you might be excited for this one. So this is our third week of the Ramblers from Texas from Big Lauren. What is that Wildeirn? I kind of forgot again. I think so. Pretty sure right? Yeah. Wildeirn. Jim in in Texas, somewhere in the state of Texas by San Antonio area. It's a big state. Yeah. So should we dip into this lemon lime

rambler? The other Ramblers have been really good so far. Not a disappointing Rambler yet in the bunch. Let's crack on in. And it's like my friend over friend Nick over at Live Large always says you judge if someone's pizza. The same line I used last week by their pepperoni, their cheese, you judge their sparkling water by their grapefruit or their lemon lime. Wow. This is good. This is that's pretty intense. That's good. It is. Yeah, that's good. These are all good. Ram that's better than this. That's better than their grapefruit. I thought the

grapefruit was pretty good. I can't remember, what did we do last week? I said a four, a strong, we both kind of were like, strong four is, four line four and a half. This is, I think, this might be the best lemon lime because it's just so, the flavor is just so on point without being overpowering, but it's there. Yeah. I guess I'm gonna give it because I did really

like the grapefruit also. So I'm gonna give this like a strong four also, I might go four and a half on this. I don't know if I've ever done this before. I might go four and a few. Now, like, I used to feel like five is so sacred. I can't use it. Now I'm like, no, four and a half is also to the actual bringing the entire scale from a four. It's either everything is either a scale. Anything below a three is kind of just for nothing.

You should ever drink and then anything above a four actually is impossible. Anything below a three means it's bad. Basically, like if something in our system gets a two and a half, that means it's bad. Yeah. And if anything a two and a half that means it's bad Yeah, and if anything gets like a four that means it's really good. I just said it's that it's that chart You know, but it's the bell curve thing where it starts at three The peak is three and a half and the other peak is four like that's the whole chart right there. It's a three-point system really So for that reason I'm gonna go four and a half I'm gonna break the rules here

Keith is looking at buying some off of Amazon lemon lime for how big of a pack is that a 12 pack of tall boys for 20 bucks It's worth it to throw a cool 20 at it. Yeah, it's worth a shot and Delivery oh, yeah We got a shot. And delivery. Oh, yeah. We got a lot of actually some stuff that I forgot to write in here. See, we were and we were ending the year. Ending 2024. We're recording this on the 30th. And I did a little equipment purchasing before here before the end of the year. I

had talked to you about that, that I was looking to spend a little money before the end of the year Yeah, they don't want massonomics Jim to I like to massonomics Jim not to post a I like it to be a net wash You like the year to not be in the millions, right? Right. I got to keep it in just the hundreds of thousands actually I like it to be I like the net change to be basically zero because then I feel like okay I reinvested everything back into it and I don't want to pay any taxes on Anything more than necessary. So I did buy some stuff. I don't know if I told you last time but I did from Black Widow by a two inch

Neurald axle. Oh, no, you've not told me any of this yet. Okay, very nice But I see his site is completely off now. Well, we But I see his site is completely off now. Well, we I won't go to it's not you have insight information I'm going to 20 details. Yeah, it is back. Just okay. It is back I've been revamped, but yes, it is back. Okay. Okay, so I just didn't know if that boat Bowded well for me getting my bar very soon or not, but That's some point in time. I will get a two inch Neural Daxel from Black Widow. The gym does not have any Neural Daxels at the moment, does it?

Nope. Okay, so that's a good addition. Yep, one on the way. And then today actually I purchased the Arsenal Strength Reloaded, God, can't remember the name, but the row. Yeah, okay, sweet. It's the Arsenal strength reloaded

is what they call their plate loaded machines and then it's the lever row. I think it's Arsenal strength reloaded, lever row, black frame, black pad and red badges. Oh, nice. Yeah, we talked him into red badges. I didn't, the lead lead time if you got red color went from like five weeks to 21 weeks And the price goes up. Yeah, so between the two

Yeah, I wasn't really interested in the price going up and if the price was exactly the same I might have wait been okay with the 20 weeks and just been like whatever I delayed gratification or something but Okay, so that's the so I did order that the first foray into arsenal equipment for the gym Yep, that's X and that's exactly what I told the guy and like this is gonna be my first one we'll see how it goes and If it goes well, maybe I'll buy another one in 2025 here See how that goes because the reason there's room for it is I finished the dumbbell project

and did you go to Mass Anomics Gym at all? No, because I felt terrible, so I couldn't do it. Ah, yeah. Because now that I got those dumbbells all re-situated and off the floor and everything, I'm like, oh yeah, there's all kinds of room for another piece of equipment over here. There's just so much real estate all of a sudden.

That's why I'm like, what is all this empty space here? You got to fill that up. You need to get some equipment in it. Yeah, well, that's a good that's a good machine to add to, because there's not the closest thing would be those hammer strength ones, right? Yeah, that's really the only back other back machine we have outside of like a lat pull down.

Yeah. And I think, yeah, I've seen now a few gyms having some type of like, I don't even know what you call it like a rowing platform like a t-bar or a chest supported row or yeah t-bar So not really like about this one is that is almost impossible to cheat though Yes, like you can't like you use body English on it. Yeah, you don't have to lose very heavy To let it till I get you. Okay. Well, that's sweet. sweet. That's a cool piece. I'm excited for that one. I think that's everything. Maybe there was something about one other small thing I can't remember, but yep, that's the stuff

that I ordered here before. So that's five, you said five weeks on that one? I think that something like that. I figured sometime in February we might get that. Nice. Big things going on in Mastinomics Gym. God, should I say what I've been up to? That's, I wondered if I should even say that

or sometimes it's more fun to save it for when it comes, but I don't know. That's kind of a toss up. Maybe I'll keep people in suspense about what I've been, what I've been up to over here. That's, sometimes it's more fun when you actually get it to just bust the nut on that one. Yeah. Okay, that's sometimes it's more fun when you actually get it to Just have the One yeah to wait to bust the nut when you actually have it you don't want to not too early making my nut as we

Speak yeah, you don't want to not too early. Do you? We did have Some news on the chain I Had said something in the discord today someone was asking about us bringing a quick, oh, the Mastinomics belt squat is for sale, the old Mastinomics belt squat, the original belt squat. I thought someone had bought that for some reason. No, someone was gonna buy it and they never picked it up,

so I just, it's just kinda been sitting there for months and months and months. The marketplace, am I right? Yeah, and we decided again to say, no, okay, let's put this thing for sale, and I'd like to get it out of there and quit sitting in the entryway. So it is for sale again, $350.

If you're a supporting member, a little bit cheaper than that. That's a pretty cheap for a data belt squat tier. Yep, yes it is. So there's a few people that have been interested, but I won't say all of that to say, someone had said, oh, you could bring it to the Arnold when you come, but.

So the changes to the Arnold this year, I don't know if we've mentioned this. Well, actually we probably haven't. No, we're actually going to the last three or four Arnolds. We've had a 10 foot by 20 foot booth. Which is a double booth. And this year, yeah, a booth. For those of us in the industry, as we would call it a double booth. If you know, the

lingo, you're a double booth season veteran of the industry like us. So you would know that obviously. Yeah. But this year, we're going the very first year we had a single we're going back to a single this year. So it'll be a 10 by 10. I guess the first year we're in a 10 by 10 Center booth where we have no edge, but now we're a 10 by 10 corner slightly different But we so it will be half the size that we've been in the last few years and We've doing that for a number of reasons the short of it is just that

Putting pen to paper in a number of ways, we feel like it makes more sense for us given the cost change to the boosts at the Arnold over the years. It's damn near just really rough math. It's damn near what, 4,500 bucks for every 10 by 10 square you want? Yeah, at least four. It depends on what the square is.

I mean, the double booth we wanted would have cost $8,000 just for the booth. Yeah, so then you say like, okay, how many t-shirts do you gotta sell to to profit $4,500? And that's like, we're not talking about just the retail price, we're like saying to actually profit at the end of the day.

We're like, oh damn, gotta sell a lot of $30 t-shirts to actually even get to the point where you're making a profit on a extra forty five hundred bucks exactly, so we did actually went through a lot of scenarios did a lot of math on it and Decided that Really the Senate like the scenario of us going about a ten by ten Just seems to work out better in like nine times out of 10. Really, the only thing I really dislike more about the 10 by 10 is the my our ego just

like it looks smaller and it doesn't look as impressive that that like an ego hit when someone walks by and like but that then today it's like, well, our ego isn't worth losing, you know, not losing, but like profiting a few thousand dollars less. Like that's not worth it. You know, I'd rather sell less and make more profit than sell more and make less profit. Do more work and make less.

It doesn't make any sense. I don't wanna do that. And one of the other things we talked about was, so yes, I 100% agree with you. Like that's kind of the conclusion we came to after way too long. Right. We just don't like the optics of having a smaller booth, but you're like, well, but then you can only bring half the stuff. And then also the thing that we know every year, but we just never say is like,

well, but really half of the stuff is what really sells well. It's the other half that doesn't sell that well. Half of the stuff makes up 80% of the sales. Oh yes, absolutely. It might even be less than half the stuff makes up 80% of the sales. You just kind of have a little bit of everything else to catch people's attention.

But we've had, I mean every year we have shirts that we might bring 40, 50 of and that entire weekend you might sell four of them. It's like, God damn, we just hauled a box of these shirts across the country and sell four of them. And back across the country back home and then put them back on the shelf and all that. And I'm like, and I'm always the reason we do that and that sort of thing. I'm always like, yeah, but we made those four sales and we did that with five shirts. You know, it's like, we sold an extra 20 shirts.

Like, that's good. Like, I'd rather sell 20 shirts than not but Now at the end of the day we can not sell those 20 shirts, and it's okay We're gonna we will Not that it's just about the money, but we don't want to do more work To make less like that sucks like we have enough work to do that if we can do a little less work and have that pencil Yeah, the same amount of money. It's like okay. That is a win Here's the other thing that it makes more sense The content has become more and more important for us

So we have to have a presence at the the content and the crew the supporting members have become more and more important for us Over the years, so we have to have a presence at the content and the supporting members have become more and more important for us over the years. So we have to have a presence at the Arnold, but what if our booth is a little smaller and then we still get to hang out with all the people and we still maybe even have an opportunity to do more content while we're doing it, where it's like, okay, we still have the presence

but can leverage more into the stuff that has become a bigger part of our show in the last year or two specifically. Those are all the justifications for it. I suppose you could, if you, what would you, if you were gonna straw man the argument, what, I don't even know, like if you're gonna say, what we're, I mean, to me it is just the biggest thing

is the look, like I just. It is, it's like. It's fun if people walk by and you have like this bigger presentation. Yeah, that's the number one, it's just the biggest thing is the look. It is. It's fun if people walk by and you have this bigger presentation. Yeah, that's the number one. And then also, well, you get more room for people to hang out because in the past we have had 10 plus people chilling behind the booth.

There's not physically enough space to do that this year. No. That's not a thing. There'll have to be far less people behind the booth at once because with the 10 by we know from experience especially with our stuff with It actually even maybe Cuts the number of people that can be back there By more than half. I think you know, even though the booth is half as small It's even even more than half well because less like normally part of the initial 10 by 10 is taken up with

You know totes and other shit well, but then you have a 10 by 10. That's mostly free Well, we won't have a mostly free 10 by 10. So yeah, you right you technically like two people is ideal Threes doable for is pushing it in or is the tops probably to really be back there at once Yeah, whereas before it wasn't crazy to see like eight people behind the booth at any given point but they'll be we'd since we're on a corner we'll have kind of a side too so maybe a lot of times I'll be even relying it off to the other kind of be a front and a side so and that's the other thing is we have now made a major change to our location this year no that's true actually I don't know if we really talked

about that that's good point we always used don't know if we really talked about that. That's a good point. We always used to be in, if you were to look at the Arnold map, we were in the front right corner. So the bottom right corner of the map. I always had that. In the southeast corner of the map, I guess if you look back for compass. Is that actually the directions in there?

I know, I don't know that. That's just what I think, you know, like, just the way the map plays out. Yeah, assuming the top is always north, yeah. Right. So we'd always been. I'm not one of those psychopaths that goes across the country and then knows the giant winding building and then knows and then

like, oh, go to the northeast corner. You're like, what, sir, I'm not from here. We're in a building and took like seven turns inside the getting inside here. Yeah, so we've always been for sure on the right, that right hand side of the building, just move up varying levels depending where we're at. Last year we were on the exact opposite corner. Yeah, we pretty much have gone to the exact opposite end.

If you were at the Arnold last year, we are now much closer to where you would see Barefoot shoes, Mitch Hooper, where Jujie Mufu was last year, by Meg Squats over there. And it was partly because there were several times at our booth this last year where we're like, there is no goddamn traffic in this aisle. This is, it has dried up. Walk back there by the people. Where are the people at?

We go in towards those. Walk back over there, we're like, oh, it's a raging party over here. There's customers spending money, having a great time. And so that was part of the impetus of moving to is like no no we're missing out On where we're at right now. Yeah, it was funny. Who are the t-shirt guys? What's that t-shirt company that those guys from? Oh, I'm to third pole no no no it's a Barbell voodoo yeah, barbell voodoo we told them yeah

I think we might, I think maybe we talked to them at home, Jim Conn, because they were set up there and like, yeah, I think when we're gonna set up more over in Uri Uri, and they're like, don't do that. And they're like, why? He's like, well, that's where we're, like, we don't want you taking all the customers,

that's our spot. And we're like, oh yes, even more reason that I feel like now that is the right choice to move over there. It's been justified, yeah. So it's back by the strongman. Like if you're going to the strongman events, We're like oh, yes, even more reason that I feel like now that is the right choice to move over justified Yeah, so it's back by the strong man like if you're going to the strong man events You might not walk directly in front of our booth, but you'll be in very close proximity to our booth so it's right really easy to get to and

To my original point of why might not be able to take all the equipment to the Arnold I'm not sure you. We always haul a trailer. But the first year we went to the Arnold, we didn't take a trailer. We just took a suburban and loaded a suburban and which with back to the 10 by 10, we actually don't have to take as much stuff. We can't take as much stuff. There'll be one less display to take, for example, three less of those shelving units to take.

And then I wouldn't say half as much inventory because the shelves will probably be pretty full. example, three less of those shelving units to take and then I wouldn't say half as much inventory because the shelves will probably be pretty full, but like still a lot less than maybe half as much. Yeah. So you know, quite a bit less inventory. So might not have to have a trailer. Maybe we still do. I don't know yet. But maybe we don't have to. So maybe we can't haul as much there. Also, the downside of that is means we probably can't haul as much Home you didn't we did this year did we was it just this year that we brought your bells of steel rack home and stuff

Brought the rack back and we definitely wouldn't wouldn't have been able to fit like that rack in there You know we could fit a few things, but probably lay a barbell across the top of Ryan, right? And but like in years past we've've brought home so many strength co-plates. I mean, this is past year, the amount of York plates you brought back to. That's true. Yeah. We brought back. So yeah, a full on power rack.

We've brought back the, the Bells of Steel weight tree that you have. That's true. I think the flag bar, obviously a classic in the gym that's been brought in back I'm trying to think like what else has made some weight trees some other I mean strength Co plates almost every other year come back. Yeah several bells of steel stuff over the year. Yeah bells of steel items over the years So I don't know that though that's to be determined what we it would be nice to not have to haul the trailer It's thousand miles across the country. I'm not driving the trailer and I still think it's right in that thing, right, right

So we'll see to be determined But those are our own updates. I don't know you could look at it as a downgrade. I'm kind of excited about it I'm like, yeah, this is we're still like, yeah This really feels like the right answer given the full scenario. But it'll also just be a test. It'll be a test for us of, I'm curious what result would have to happen

for us to be like, okay, we made the wrong choice. What has to happen for us to be like, we made the wrong choice? Because if you sell a bunch, you sell out of almost everything and you think dang We should have more but I'm like, I don't know we've sold everything Well, I guess the question would be well like were we actually losing sales because yeah, right if that happens It's hard to ever really know. Yeah. Yeah, that happens. I'm fine with it. I can

That's what I'm saying I'm like is that the decision that you're like, oh we really screwed this up Are you like no it worked perfectly it depends on how you look at it. I suppose Well enough on the Arnold am I right we got a few months left to talk more about that not a whole lot though Actually scary by the time this by the time this episode is out. it's less than two months away, isn't it? Yeah, I don't know how this, like we have so many Mastonomics events on the calendar anymore that it just seems like there is always the next thing.

Like we never, we used to have, well, we were getting a lot less shit done and like being less successful overall, but we had much bigger gaps between things Periods of the year where there wasn't much going on now. There's never a time we push much harder Yeah, there it is noticeable that there's way more going on all the time. Yes. Yes, there is Which is good. It's a good thing. Yeah You know what else is a good thing what

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Also big Brandon wanted to know if you thought the belt squat could just fit on your lap to bring it to Ohio You know what? Yeah, it'd probably be fine. Do you just put it put it in the car with us? Yeah Okay, uh What do we? What do we want to do a title topic we see a lot of the title topic because yeah We might run out of time for some of this other stuff. Okay Are we gonna kick people off or they're gonna? Yeah, maybe we should

Do we want them to hear the title or do we just give them the boot? We could have them hear the title and then we kick them off like right after that then so off like right after that then. So you know what that means? When you hear the wah, it means it's time for a title topic. And this week's title topic is what Tommy? Designing a home gym for powerlifting. Yes. Keeping the home gym streak alive. So, but we're specifically going to talk about designing a home gym. For power lifting is your main focus, right? Yes. Okay. Now that we can leave them all in a lurch, should we kick them out?

They've had their fun. They got their money's worth. They've been left fun. They got their money's worth. They've been left in a lurch. Unlurching yourself is not always fun. Some sort of line from all the places you go. When you fall from the lurch with an unpleasant bump, I don't remember the rest. I don't remember.

I mean, I know what that is, but I don't remember any words from that. It's a really long book. I've read it 10,000 times and it's not one of the more it's not one of the quicker bedtime story. Yeah, I always got to strike that balance of you have sometimes like, oh, you read this book. I'm like, this is like a 60 page book.

I have time for this. All right. They're out of here. I think goodness. So what designing a home gym for power lifters? And how are we kind of breaking this down? Okay, so we're gonna talk about here is We're deep we are so just deep in the home gym game over here I mean, I would couldn't be any deeper in the home gym game over here. I mean, it couldn't be any deeper in this home gym game. We know the ins and outs of it. We're damn near experts. We've been living the life for, I don't, can't even keep track of how long.

And we figured something that we've both talked about over the years is that when we think of a home gym, we think obviously, well, this revolves around power lifting and a rack and a barbell and weights. And one thing we've come to realize over the years is a lot of people's workout routines do not revolve around weights. I should say 45 pound plates and barbells and racks. There's nothing wrong with that. You're allowed to lift however you want. But that's a very different home gym than the type of home gym we have in mind. And so because massonomics has more of its roots in the powerlifting space and strongman

and general strength training, we think it's a good idea to make a list, a little guide of what an ideal home gym would look like for a powerlifter. And so we're going to it down into two two sections here We're gonna talk through the bare essentials what we think you absolutely have to have to have a successful home gym And then we're gonna talk about some of the some of the upgrade options some of the niceties that okay So you got your basics covered maybe got a little extra cash or you're looking on marketplace Or you just you're not sure what would take your training to that next level that's where the The extras the upgrades will come in and we'll talk through some different options there

And I gotta say like you mentioned it is always still really it catches me off guard Because I think of a home gym as something set up for like powerlifting style training Yeah, but when other people like start to describe or show you what their home gym is and it doesn't have some of the bare essentials that we're gonna talk about here, and it's like, no, this is my home gym. Lift and workout however you want. Oh yeah, for sure.

I do get cut off guard sometimes too when it's a picture of someone's home gym and there's a Peloton, a bench, 20 pounds in dumbbells, and some other random thing I'm like I yeah I guess you can work out there and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not the type of workout that I want to do no no so yeah so what is our list of what is the shortest because you could kind of go on of bare essentials for forever well not forever but you could make the list of even bare essentials kind of long, but what's our like?

Shortest list of bare essentials so like what is the stuff that you have you there again? You don't have to have it We're designing this for someone That's planning on intending to train for powerlifting even if you're not going to comedian powerlifting meet But you want to squat bench and deadlift and get stronger Yes, your training revolves around mostly, you know doing a bench and deadlift and right some excess So what's what are the what do you almost have to have at least in our opinion? Okay, because it is a little bit so first of all, you have to have a barbell and weights You have to have a two inch Olympic barbell and weight plates

Yeah, that's like not negotiable. And we talked about a lot of bars at the beginning of this episode. You could have just a shitty barbell. You could. You could. You could get it done with that. But you have to have a barbell.

Because at the end of the day, weight stacks, cable machines, they only go up to a certain amount. You know, like a cable, like do very many cable machines go with a stack of 250 pounds? I don't know, do you like the Aries and those things maybe go to 300 pounds, but you know, if you're, if you're taking your training seriously, and we're talking powerlifting, which goals are specific, the primary goal is strength. It's not going to take you very long

to okay, I know everyone's situation is different, but it's not that crazy to get to lifting weights over 300 pounds. And at that point, you've maxed out your machines. And on top of that, I don't know, do people do... Can you do squats like a rig? That's why I'm like, those are accessory lifts. You know, like those are not primary... To do the primary movers, you need a power bar, a barbell with some knurling on it, and not a one inch bar, not like a shitty thing that you found in your grandpa's basement and has one inch

in the screw-on collars, that's not sufficient, like to be able to back squat and bench press and deadlift the way that you're gonna deadlift if you do this for long enough. It doesn't have to be an expensive Bar it could be a shit. It could be a shitty $50 one you found on Facebook marketplace Just this week 50 bucks for an Olympic barb. Yeah, like that's but you do need that at the least and then the weights

You do need there again. You don't have you don't have to immediately buy strength kill plates, but you do need You do need there again. You don't have you don't have to immediately buy strength kill plates, but you do need Standard sized Olympic plates not standard. That's actually confusing But not stand you need Olympic you need normal normal ass plates not this cement filled And there again you can get by with some of that crap But that's not gonna cut it for what you're trying to do like you're actually trying to get strong yeah, if you're taking training seriously, you can max that stuff out pretty fast and Just a couple of quick words of advice there like we were saying Marketplace deals like if you really aren't a budget or you just want to save some money marketplace will be your friend

Barbells you can find 50 bucks no name beater stuff pretty regularly in that price range But if you do want to buy something nice sponsor the show Texas Power Bars Also regularly runs ads where our I should say ads runs Sales or you can routinely find their bars for under 300 bucks, you know By the time you do shipping you might be right around that $300 mark But that is an item that is going to last you I mean almost a lifetime, you might be right around that $300 mark, but that is an item that is going to last you, I mean, almost a lifetime, you know, it's going to be a high quality piece. But you don't have to start there and you also don't have to start looking at

expensive stainless steel, crazy, elico, seracote options, like things that add a lot to the cost that does not need to be your first option either. Yeah, because I guess when I think about it too, we're talking about the bare essentials, it could really mean you could look at it two ways. It's like, well, it's the cheapest stuff. It doesn't have to be the cheapest. Like you just need these things, you can get it anywhere on the spectrum of the $50 marketplace bar or the Texas Power Bar, the used standard 50 cent a pound plates

or the strength code plates. But you need something on one of those ends or in between for these categories, specifically barbell plates. So those are non-negotiables. What about after that then? All right, so after that. Those are non-negotiables.

You can't train powerlifting without having a barbell. And there again, it doesn't have to be that you're doing a powerlifting meet, but when we say train, it's like strength training, honestly, is even like serious strength training. Yep, yep, the most effective form of strength training, I would say, with barbell movements. After that, okay, you're gonna need one thing for sure,

and that is a bench. So if you wanna be bench pressing, you need a bench to bench press off of. And again, there's a huge spectrum here. The bare essentials would be a flat bench. We'll talk about adjustable benches later, but for the sport of power lifting or just bench pressing in general, you need a flat bench.

And again, your options here can range from something wooden, homemade, that you didn't spend a lot of money on that you use with those boards you've had in your rafters in the garage for all these years you finally found the purpose for it or Flat benches are actually pretty cheap It's right. That's true. Like they're not even nice ones are not that expensive rep, I mean, I think rep is kind of known for their benches and I Gotta just see here. What a flat bench from rep runs Rep I mean, I think rep is kind of known for their benches and I

Gotta just see here. What a flat bench from rep runs There It's just a flat non adjustable Ben. Yeah a flat non adjustable bench their base one the FB 3150 with free shipping. I mean, that's yeah pretty day That's pretty cheap if you want to upgrade to the competition bench, which is significantly more beefy, you're talking $240. That's still pretty damn cheap at the end of the day. And that's what's something that has a quality pad on it, has a little grip to it. That would be, those would both be worthwhile investments if you're going to buy something new.

Yeah, and the other watch out, I would just say, whether you're buying used budget, whatever, you do need this flat bench. The most important things I would watch for are the height. You want something that's like between 16 and a half and 17 and a half inches or even this if you maybe you're making your own or making something out of stuff you got. You want to get that height. If it's like 19 inches, it's going to feel oddly high. If it's both low 16 and a half, it's going to, it's like relative to any other ones you're going to find, it's going to feel oddly short. Um, and then also the width in my mind, 12 inches is relatively standard.

Like you don't want it much narrower than that. Like some, you go to some places that have like these eight inch wide pads, and I would recommend avoiding that, especially you you go to some places that have like these eight inch wide pads, and I would recommend avoiding that, especially you're trying to get stronger, bigger. You don't want that. Like 12 is kind of the competition width. Yeah, I suppose you could get by, especially if you're a smaller frame person, like maybe a 10 inch wide pad is going to be fine. But I would say, shoot for something that's 12 inches wide. Some really big people might even want the wider fatter pads, you know 14 But somewhere around 12 inch width and then the pad is the one other thing

You know if you get to be slightly pickier about this bare essential bench is just getting something that's not completely slippery Yeah, and there just says like you do have options to though I have Before I had my home gym and I was in a commercial gym. Yeah, I was I believe it's the backbone. And it's basically almost like a shelf liner that has some Velcro on it that you can Velcro to a bench. And that will take pretty much any shitty bench and turn it into at least a less shitty bench. Right, right. That would be pretty cheap. Yeah, if you found something that's not that

great, you can spend I think it was like 35 $40 and all of a sudden you at least have a grippy bench. Yeah. So we've got a bench, a barbell, what other consideration with the bench? One other thing to think about here because safety is a factor in the equation here. If you just do pick up the cheapest bench you find there are definitely benches out there that are not rated for let's say 250 pound person and another you know 300 400 pounds depending on how much you bench but if you weigh 250 your bench in

300 you might be pushing that bench to the limit and you do not want a bench to give out on you so just make sure like you understand the grade of equipment you're lifting with. Right, that's a good point. What kind of the centerpiece, we actually talked about is this an essential? We think it kind of is an essential if this is what you're trying to do. You pretty much have to have a rack.

Yeah. You could maybe get by with squat stands that you could squat and bench out of that's that's honestly in my opinion pushing it a little bit for having a decent serviceable setup. You could potentially get by with something like that but we're going to say what you really need is are probably a rack of some sort. Right and we're coming to this from the aspect of powerlifting and strength training in general, at some point, you do need a bit of an overload, you know, you need to progress over time, which means

might not do it often, but you will at a certain point be grinding through some hard lifts. And where the power rack is of advantage is there is a spotting system built in. Yeah. You know, you can use a squat stand and you could do something with some spotter arms or something, but now you've kind of just built a half rack which is fine too. I was gonna say a half rack is okay.

Yeah, like that. You could have a half rack, that would be just fine. But if your options are just straight up like a squat stand with nothing else, you can do it. Like you absolutely can. There's tons of, you know, crossfit gyms and places where people get strong doing that. But if you're home, you're home alone.

You need like Kevin McAllister, home alone, Kevin McAllister. Your parents left, went to France and they threw your plane ticket into the garbage with the milk and pizza. And then they counted the neighbor kids head when they loaded it up. We've all had it happen. We've all been there. Your mom. It wasn't until you were on the plane that your mom and dad thought they just forgot to close the garage door and then it hits your mom. Oh, no, we forgot, Kevin. Then you're up to your sinister deeds, whatever you're doing. And you're there trying to bench out of squat stands Like a jackass you would know oh my god

Kevin is home alone with we don't have a rack. We don't have a rack. He's in a bench. That's rated for 200 pounds Dear God someone help this child. Yeah, you don't want to be in that situation. That would be awful No, if I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times. We all know. We all know that guy. Like, that's how we all know. Do not be that guy. That is why we lean towards the power rack because it has that level of safety. You will not be home alone with the power rack. It's this power rack has your back. Is there anything else to say about the power rack? And on top of that, I would just say this the power rack. So we're just talking about the essentials right now.

But the power rack does give you a lot to build on top of you can take that sucker a lot of different directions. Right? Depending on what your budget and and time and all that is. Yeah, and you're gonna want to rack because if you do end up in that home alone scenario You want to be able to manipulate that thing in a few ways in case like a couple robbers come over to try to fuck With you right like if you just have squat stands how many booby traps can you really set up with squat stands? But if you have a full rack you're gonna be able to hang torches from that thing to burn their hair off

You know you throw the army to be able to hang torches from that thing to burn their hair off you know you throw the army man up on the power rack. You can have like swinging catapult style things in there to like the close them in the teeth swing nicely from the top of that but if all you have is squat stands I don't know what burglars that's really gonna like slow down very much now if all you have to defend it with is a pair of squat stands. Now, your house is as good as gone at that point. You're losing your house and the squat stand at that point. So don't make that mistake. Yeah, did you talk about the deadlift thing?

So OK, this this next one then would be if we're talking deadlifting, you need either like a deadlift platform or some type of flooring a safe space to deadlift Yeah, you need to be able to deadlift and not smash a hole in the floor You're just yeah. Yeah, just you know, you know your situation, but you need to understand what's what's underneath you That could be bumper plates I guess as an option too But then it's it's gonna change your demand for plates to be able to do you know you you need bumper plates Then if you're just gonna go right on to like the bare concrete

Otherwise you set up some horse stall mats or a bill cheap would probably go to horse stall mats 50 bucks a man tractor supply. I think you need at least that much to like you can't get the Menard special like the end cap mat that you hold up and it weighs like a fifth What the horse doll Matt actually weighs and you're like, I don't know the or you can't have the multicolored kids room puzzle Do those either no don't do those. I mean really, I do still think $50 for a floor mat. I mean they're on sale sometimes for like 40 bucks or something, but it's cheap.

It's cheap at the end of the day. And it protects your flooring and your equipment. So yeah, just buy some of those and you'll be good to go. And then probably one other thing that you probably should have Tanner would be some collars to hold the weights on. Yeah. And again, there you can buy spring collars on Amazon

for probably like $2. And most times those are even fine. Yeah. Those are fine. There's definitely options where you can spend like 100 plus on collars if you want, but yeah, you can get by. But really you need one pair of collars of some kind Clips or collars depending on what you like so does that feel like we hit the bare essentials there

I think so you have to have at least that stuff yeah to get a little serious about it Obviously you can have a lot more and that's what we're gonna talk about, but you got to have that stuff And I guess this goes without saying but space enough to put that stuff and I guess this goes without saying but space enough to put that stuff space for that stuff yeah you should have the room to put those in if you're if you're gonna buy it okay now do we get to get more to the fun stuff here yeah the upgrade packages okay you want to know what's first on my on my upgrade list so are you saying basically so you got the bare essentials. Got the bare essentials. Are you saying this is like the next thing

you would say you'd get? I think yeah, this is the next things you should be looking at here. Yep. Okay, let's say things. I'm not putting these in any particular order. These are all just, depending on the person. So you're not saying the next thing you would recommend.

This is the next thing you have to get. No, because I do think it really depends a lot on the person. Right saying the next thing you have to get. Okay. I do think it really depends a lot on the person, but, uh, next thing on the list, I really think some type of dumbbell system would be nice. And so it's a ton of options here. If you got a video about it. Yeah. If you're on a budget dude, marketplace has used dumbbells,

use power block all the time. Dude, marketplace has used dumbbells, used power block all the time. You can get stuff from 100 bucks to 500 bucks, pretty easy on marketplace. And depending what you go with there, that could just take care of all of your problems. You can check off the dumbbell box like it's done. Or if you wanna look at something more premium,

you can look at buying a full fixed set, which is insanely expensive. The adjustable dumbbell, but like all the rage right now is the rep pepins, the rep ins. Those are pretty hot. So that's a, that's a premium option as well. But there's also things like new Obell and snowed and all these other adjustable dumps. The old, the old go to the bow bow flex, what's it the five 52s or something like that. Yep. Those exist too. Paul Foss has three pairs. Three.

If you're a connoisseur. A pair and a half. You could have a pair and a half of them. No one's stopping you. But adjustable dumbbells, I don't think I need to make a case for, I shouldn't say adjustable dumbbells. I don't think I need to make a case for dumbbells.

If you go to the gym, you can see the value in having some dumbbells around. Yep. I'll say, we said you had to have the one barbell, which you have to have. Then you're getting a little fancier. I think you get a few more barbells. And I'll just say, because the one is a power bar,

almost everything beyond that is what I would call a specialty bar. Maybe your idea of a specialty bar is a deadlift bar, or maybe a safety squat bar, or a Duffalo bar, a Buffalo bar, an Easy Curl bar, an earthquake bar. Well, let's just be real here. If you start a home gym, you won't know when or how it will happen, but an Easy Curl bar

will appear in your gym at some point. It's just the way it works. At the bare minimum, you're gonna have an Easy Curl bar. Usually that silver one that just around. It's the Easy Curl bar fairy, just drops in. You're like, who did this? Was it you, Mama, Dad? It'll just be the Easy Curl bar fairy dropping off that Easy Curl bar.

Yep, here it is. You're like, oh, it's not that nice. You're like, yep, we know, that's what you get though. Why does this look 15 years old? I don't know, they all look like it. That's what they looked like new. That's that. And they're all 15 to 50 years old.

And just one day they'll walk out there and they'll be at the EZ Curl bar. In the corner, dusty already. Somehow it was under the dust of your gym. They quit making new silver EZ Curl bars 15 years ago. So the market was completely saturated at every gym at once. They made 10 million of them in a giant warehouse.

But yeah, this it would just be specialty bars, you know, just adding to your bars. And you don't need 50 barbells like Massanamics Gym has for your home gym. But you might find I really wish I love using a trap bar. Said nobody ever. But no, you might actually someone might say that they really like using a trap bar So maybe that would be a specialty bar for you or you know the deadlift bar if you compete and talking about powerlifting So if you're competing in federations where you use deadlift bars or comp specific specific bars you start to Hedge towards those directions. I think

Another nicety looking at my list here. Okay, I'm actually gonna go with it. I'm gonna say you can start looking at, I'm gonna say something cable related, a cable machine of some kind. And there's a lot of different cable machines and options from plate loaded ones to select rise ones to things with a you know a dual system where you have

two handles to something with just a single attachment point. I mean there's a thousand things out there you just that's one of those things you just kind of know what you're looking for what what your budget is, and decide how much time you have if you want something right now, or if you're cool playing the weight and game and looking, because yeah, there is just so much variety out there. The other thing I would say is, your bench then, we said you gotta have the flat bench,

but maybe off the start, maybe you're spending just slightly more money, and rather than the flat bench, you just get an adjustable bench. You could have both too, depending on your space, but for a lot of home gyms, it may be somewhat unnecessary to have both a dedicated flat. And like in, you know, a place like Massonomics Gymia,

you definitely want both, but maybe just a good adjustable bench makes for a really good flat bench, you definitely want both, but maybe just a good adjustable bench makes for a really good flat bench. And that's what I had the first big purchase I made for my gym was the rep AB5200 adjustable bench. And at the time I was debating a lot like, Oh, do I really want to spend, I think it's 500, 500 on a bench?

Like is that really what I want to do? And now, man, I could not imagine not having this bench like I could not imagine having a flat only because incline is one of my favorite bench accessories. I do like doing inclined bench a lot. So having that option. But the thing is just so rock solid and every once thing like, oh, it's it's rattly or wobbly or unstable. Like it's just it's built like a tank.

Five hundred bucks. Oh, it's awesome. I do love this bench. I love this bar, I love this bench. Next on the list, I think you can start looking, now we're really starting to approach premium territory, but would be other machines. And so this might be fitness machines. This might be things that have a cable in them

or some other operation, or it could even be larger pieces of equipment, like a GHR or something like that. Arsenal strength reloaded lever roll. That might be in your top three of things that you want for your home gym. It wouldn't be a bad one. It'd be a real flex You weird choice, maybe

we're choice if you had a slight pool of money and that was where you decide to spend like most of it, but You could do that. No one's stopping. I have a really nice row machine in this home gym and not much else I'm just really into row exercise. Yeah, it's not to go all in on this You got to build that strong back But depending on your budget and space constraints actually I think most people will find you're gonna hit space constraints probably sooner the money tends to find a way to appear It's the space is what tends to be the issue when you get pen to paper You'll find out you almost can't afford most, can't not afford most of these things.

It'll be the space of the- You go back to the couch and shake a few more cushions and then just the money appears and it's ready to go. But the space is the issue. So that's where machines can be a challenge. That was kind, I mean, you could parse it down a million different ways more specifically. I'll say one other category we left out.

Yeah, what do you got? And this is actually a cheap one. I would say lifting accessories for you as a person. So things like a belt, wrist wraps, knee sleeves, maybe some chalk, things like that. Maybe some different footwear options, whether you want a heeled shoe or a flat shoe, things like that are all things not necessary by any means, but just might enjoy, make your quality of life a little bit better.

And one correction on omission, I actually feel like we're both giant jackasses for missing this in the bare essentials. You can't not have a drink spot. Yeah, drink spot or drink safety is. Yeah. Yeah, it's essential. It is essential. You really can't not.

You don't wanna be one of those guys that didn't have it and then you had to put up the warning sign late afterwards for everyone to know that like, oh yeah, something did happen here. Right. That was too late. I don't, this is a complete side tangent and I don't remember where I heard someone talking about this

But I've always thought this myself, too But talking about the safety and you even mentioned the safety first like that's something we always say and we'll talk about drinks But we always say safety first and I work in an industry where safety is a big of Large concern and there's always of course a giant emphasis on safety a giant lip service towards it Yes at the very least there is but like there's also like very large Money implications and say their safety issues and it's always like oh no safety is the priority safety safety first and I've always thought this but hearing someone put it into words that

always thought this, but hearing someone put it into words that safety is not first, like quit lying and saying safety is first if safety is first, you just don't do those act like you're then don't be in the business like the business like in agriculture, for example, large form, industrial agriculture, like the handling of grain or most of the processes. Like if safety is really first, you just don't do those things at all. Like you can't be in that business

because by nature they are unsafe acts. Like you can't handle, you know, people die all the time in grain dust explosions or grain bin, you know, engulfments like if safety was really the number one priority, you'd say we cannot be in this business. You're in the business because other things are more important than safety, financial gain or, you know, like that's an obvious choice. But it's like, you know, there's a need for this service.

Like someone has to provide the service like you said like actually technically like Technically. Yeah, that's what I'm saying technically safety can not first be like well, that's actually so dangerous You know what? Like yeah, you don't for me do that so unqualified and safety is of importance to me that I'm not even going to attempt that I will also do that like the act is so unsafe that almost no one can do it and safety be first. The priority, like, it still is done because other things are more important than safety. Like in this case, like, I don't know, like, you know, this is a service that has

to be provided. So it has to be done. And we want to do it as safely as possible. But but technically speaking safety is not first like we hire this company we hire this company to come into it because technically safety isn't their number one concern because they're willing to do this because they care more about the high price we're willing to pay them to do it you know they will like first they won't they will I'm not saying they won't do it as safely as possible Yeah, they might be willing to do it as they have determined that they're their chances of death are slightly are worth the trade-off for a paycheck Exactly, so like the paycheck is the most important part safety would be then second behind getting that paycheck

But yeah, I get I was just taking me a little while but I do get what you're saying there Yeah, and I almost feel like if people approach that From at that direction. I respect whatever they say next more. Yeah, because I'm like, yeah, you're right Like this is like well, let's be real who has worked at a company that I mean everyone's Probably worked for a company or someone that I mean makes millions and millions of dollars a year But then like safety is like but what's our safety budget really like right? We could bump that up a little bit, you know Yes. Yes

I Don't know what I was going with that. I just really when I heard someone say it I'm like I have fought this forever and that was just a way of putting it that I'm like You are a hundred percent right like it Like it literally can't be first, because if it was first. And to be clear, like there are jobs where you have to do those things. Those things have to exist.

No, you do, right. It's just a company deciding, are we taking this on or paying someone else to do it, is what it comes down to. And then there's a trade-off there. Like you are trading imminent possibility of danger, because I mean a lot of times financial reason is the trade is the trade off that is

like, you know, there's enough money to be made here that we're willing to be the people that will do it. Yeah. Pretty wild. And that's why safety is no accident. My point being drink spotter is a very central My point being drink spotter is a very central place by a drink spotter. So was safety first? What safety our first priority with making the drink spotter? I think where the exception to rule. Yes, it absolutely was.

Well, yeah, because it's also affordable. There's no way that can have the right afforded here. We're kind of just providing a community service here. We're basically a non pro. OK, that's it. I'm going to file the nonprofit paperwork right now. Yes, yes. So that's kind of our list, right? That is the yeah, everything you need to know about the bare essentials

to start a home gym as a power lifter in twenty twenty five. Do you think that list will change in 2026? You know what? We'll do this episode again next year. See if it's changed. Yeah. See if we can come up with any new home alone references that tie it all together. All right. That's our list. Do you want to let's let's actually maybe do a topic here.

What do we got here? I got, I got a topic. I want to know if you remember this or if I'm remembering you correctly. Okay. Tanner, we, we are may, we may or may not have sponsored a competition about a year ago for some brave souls took on a chicken bake for chicken bakes for a week. Now, remind me, we had Grayson,

friend of the podcast. Yep, a big Sam friend of the podcast. We had another guy not really friend of the podcast, right? Right. I can't remember his name. I don't feel okay not being able to I don't think he really listens. Does he? I don't think so. So I don't think he was I think he got referred secondhand. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he really looks bigger. Does he I don't think so. I don't think he was I think he got referred secondhand Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't really think he listens. He was recommended based on his body type. I think was the criteria, right? Okay, do you remember he made a statement and I still to this day think about this and I'm not knocking him I'm just it stood out in my mind. He made a statement and I'm curious if you remember this or if I'm remembering it wrong

I'm pretty sure he said this though because it always stood out to me. He said my diet consists mostly of quesadillas Do you remember that if I just remember I don't remember that specifically I remember Yeah, I think he lost weight over the chicken big diet I think you did say yeah, I think you did say lost weight But I thought he said his diet consisted mostly of quesadillas like he said in a very Passing fashion like he was on the next thing and that always stood out to me because I've never met anyone that said that Like that's I don't think it's like the worst diet ever, but I've just never heard anyone say that before That's an interesting

Thing also not a tip. If your diet was to consist mostly of one sort of thing, I'm like, actually, that's first. I think it was diet was he said mostly quesadillas and blueberries, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Okay. I was going to say something there was berries or fruit or something that I was remembering. Yeah. Okay. And both those start to me because I actually like quesadillas. But for the past year, every time I made a quesadilla, my kids have really started like quesadillas but for the past year every time I made a quesadilla

My kids have really started like quesadillas. Yeah, I always think of like, oh my kids also could mostly consist Survive on quesadillas and blueberries are also something my kids like a lot. I don't really eat blueberries though So, uh, yeah, sometimes I try to get my kids to just eat one dia, but they always wanted an entire case of them One dilla is not enough. They always want a whole freaking quesadilla. Oh, quesadilla, yeah. Yeah, I do kind of, I am remembering more and more of him saying that. But yeah, my kids also could mostly live on quesadillas.

But quesadillas are, I think it's flexible enough that I'm like, you could, I could get by on quesadillas for a long time just from the writing, because you can change it pretty creative. I mean, really is you're starting with the tortilla, then you can put anything inside of it. That's the whole point of it is, because at first I'm like, ah, this seems somewhat restrictive, but as time has got on, and I thought about it more, I'm like, you kind of have an open canvas here like your canvas is way to show and you could do whatever What makes the case idea what by definition makes the case idea a case idea doesn't have to have cheese in it I kind of feel like bare essentials. It needs to have cheese. What does that mean case?

You know like that isn't I'm guessing has something to do with like frying a shell and well not even really frying it but What's the actual definition of a Wikipedia says a Mexican dish Consisting of a tortilla that is filled primarily with cheese and sometimes meat So, you know what the translation the literal translation means is it cheese like So you know what the translation, the literal translation means? Is it cheese? Like, you know, little, little cheesy thing, according to this Facebook post that Google.

I see that too. A little thing made with cheese. So based on that, I'd say it has to have cheese in it, though, right? Because what I was going to say, if you put a tortilla on the bottom, a tortilla on top and then put peanut

butter and jelly inside of it, is that a quesadilla? No, because like deserve to go to prison if you're going to pull that out as a quesadilla. on the bottom of tortilla on top and then put peanut butter and jelly inside of it is that No Because like deserve to go to prison if you're gonna Has a quesadilla right so that's not a quesadilla so it has to have cheese in it I'm just thinking how far you could stretch it and but if you're having to put cheese in it that really kind of Keeps it within a lot tighter bandwidth of what you're possibly gonna put inside this still like I mean any meat like this or meat that Doesn't pair with cheese and doesn't say how much you have to put in it either

You know you do a very light dusting if cheese isn't something that you want part of your diet right Yeah, and you could Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think as long as you're starting with the quesadilla and you have cheese in there and then pretty much anything else You're the protein of your choice cheese and then pretty much anything else. That's a quesadilla No one's stopping you from adding some beans in there some salsa some hot sauce Honestly, you like though no matter even if the I'm trying to make it seem like the options are limitless But in my head as I think about it,

I always come back to probably making the exact same thing over and over again. Where it's like, whether you use chicken or beef or steak or pork, I'm like, eh, it's kind of all gonna be the same thing. I know, but maybe put a little sour cream on it and get some salsa. It's at least seasoned, and it's mostly just protein

and some, well, I mean, depending on your cheese, you mean you could add a lot of fat in there, but it just really hits the bases pretty well. So all I'm saying is maybe that guy was onto something with his diet, with his quesadilla blueberry diet. Let me ask this, if you were just gonna use one word of a kind of food that your diet was gonna primarily be, what would be better than a quesadilla to be like,

no, my diet's mostly beans. I mean, most people would say like, beans. Oh, okay. I think most people are chicken. Alsoilla to be like, you know, my diet is mostly like beans. So like Okay, I think also then so like our chicken. Okay, what's your diet is mostly just just steak because at least with the quesadilla That leaves you open-ended to a variety of ingredients. It's kind of you say no, no my beat Well, I guess you could say sandwich that's those is it alter the comparable would be sandwiches But I would pick quesadilla over sandwiches, but I would pick case of the over sandwiches as a Bad to pick one of those It's a burp. I actually don't really like that conversation. I know

Yeah, oh what you said is the toilet paper roll on dinner, right? Yeah Yeah, quesadilla or sandwich would be the two primary choices. Outside of that, everything else is way too restricted. Well, pizza would be a choice as well, but... I feel like you just become a less healthy option. It's a tub of lard if that's your only thing you eat all the time, is pizza. Mostly a pizza. Because you can make a quesadilla not...

You can make a pretty healthy quesadilla. Oh, very much so. I mean, if you have chicken breast in it... I guess you can make like shitty, fricking... pizzas where you go to a fancy place, you know, like, so. I mean, if you have chicken breast, I guess you can make like shitty fricking, uh, pizzas where you go to a fancy place. You're like, come on, dude, you call them this pizza. Like you can make pizzas like that. It's a case of day it works better though, because you can actually, no one's like, I shouldn't say no one. I don't know.

I don't think people are like chopping up and like grilling chicken breasts and like putting that on their sandwiches very regularly, are they? You're mostly just getting shitty deli meat on a sandwich, right? Yeah, right, right. I mean, you could, but- You could, but typically I feel like the quality of meat,

at least for me at home, is significantly better on a quesadilla than it would be on a sandwich. Yeah. Yeah, it usually is. I guess if the sandwich was the only thing you're ever allowed to eat, you'd probably start to figure out better ways to. Yeah.

You're like, nah, I will drink the chicken breast. Well, for that matter of pizzas, the only thing allowed you to eat, maybe you start to figure out some pizza hacks. Also, you got some cottage cheese going on there. Yeah, that's actually, you're right. The old chicken breast cottage cheese pizza really ups that protein level.

I think it just becomes a question of what's the most open-ended, like what's considered a pizza then? Because I feel like you just put cottage cheese on a piece of thin bread. It's a quesadilla with no top shell to the pizza. Like that could be a tasty treat. Like some places they have like those quesadilla,

like tortilla pizzas. Just a little flatbread thing those I Don't even want those to be called pizzas though I don't want to go to a restaurant and they say they have pizza and it's like a flatbread To be clear fucking tortilla pizza is a thin crust, but I did not think thin crust pizzas. Yeah Yeah, thin crust pizza is good pizza is yeah, no flatbread. Yeah, thin crust pizza is good. But I don't want you to go and be like,

this is not pizza. Like you fried a tortilla shell and put cheese on the top of it. I'm like, that's not pizza. I agree. I'm offended by some of what some people call pizza. Yeah, well, you know. And it's usually like more artisan almost.

And I'm like, yeah, that's that's you know what I don't really like though yeah when they I don't really like like if I'm gonna have pizza I don't want fancy pizzas like I don't really want like where it has big chunks of like I like tomato I don't want pizza where it's like cubes of tomato and just like little round bits of melted mozzarella cheese sparingly. That's not my preferred one. It's like out like a margarita pizza. Yeah, there you go That's actually what I'm describing. I love Margarita pizza that is like her always go to and I'm like I kind of just want that to be called something But it feels more like an appetizer that it feels yeah. Yeah, you know, that's I just my beef with that

Really is just that it should I just want my beef with that really is just that it should, I just want it to be something just, you just call it, go ahead and call that something different. It's not trying to say that that's pizza. Part of the conversation here. Yeah. Like you can eat that. Just let's all agree that that has a new name that doesn't set the pizza.

Yeah, we'll move on here. Yeah. Margarita pizza. That's actually exactly what I was describing,'t it getting all fancy with it. Yeah And I'm not against fancy food sometimes But I just don't know if pizza is the thing Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Like I like like fancy steak food sometimes, you know, like even a fancy steak It's like well, it's just like a higher cut of the yeah

Like but even a fancy steak. It's like well, it's just like a higher cut of the yeah that made that's like like really good delicious steak Yeah, sign me up for a fancy steak. Well, this one's a better quality of meat It's like yeah, maybe you know what you're doing. You cook it a little more, right? What do you think about when they bring out the stone and you like cook the steak right at your table? I'm not so like with a lot of things, like if I go to a restaurant, I just want you to do the stuff for me. I don't really wanna have to do anything. Like just put my food down and just let me be a disgusting person just slobbering away on this.

It didn't come to the restaurant to cook the food. No, that's why I also don't really like restaurants where I have to think too hard about creating my dish. I'm like, no, I want you to like come up with the dish and I'll just pick the one you know I wanted to like make my own thing. I would just stay home and make my own thing Yeah, I think that makes sense actually that's typically where I fall in that stuff. I don't I'm okay going to someplace to give up the option of like I'm coming to your place do your thing Right I do my thing. Right. Yeah. So that's

diet. That's the case of the blueberry diet. As heard on the Mastodonics podcast. Blueberries are pretty good too. Actually, there's one more carve out there though. We did not acknowledge the fact that some people could just be like, well, my diet consists mostly of chicken banks. Like that still is always the fallback. Ah, yeah. So that was an assumed good choice Like having your diet go from quesadilla is the chicken bake isn't that much of a difference

That's a lateral movement really We close we enclose the ends of your quesadilla. We wrapped it all the way around. We made your quesadilla slightly more cylindrical. What's in it? Meat? Yeah. Cheese?

Yeah, kind of. I think so. A sauce of some kind? Yeah, sounds like quesadilla to kind. Yes, I'm like Casey to me Do I have to make it no someone makes it for you even better Well, can I have my blueberries now? You can you can buy a five gallon jug of them back there, but Yeah, I don't remember that guy's name no one will ever know It'll be a mystery no

I do hope someone goes back in the discord and at least post the clip We're going to be hilarious if he never actually someone listen back, and they never heard that at all like he never mentioned Just this whole time I've been thinking this guy always eats quesadillas and just made it up It'd be a weird fact for me to get wrong though and did if that Was worth the conversation Happen Juggernaut AI is also worth the conversation Use juggernaut AI you get personalized workouts you take the guest workout of your training juggernaut AI does all the work

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Yeah, I think, I believe it's for a triple. I didn't look at the rep, but I'm assuming it's for a triple. What are you thinking for the weight on that though? Oh God, it's probably gonna be, I mean, it usually recommends a number, so I'm curious to see what it's gonna be, but I'm thinking it's probably gonna be like 460 ish I was gonna say probably over 455. Yeah, it should be over 450 because

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This saves you 10% for the lifetime of your membership ends up being about 30 bucks is all. Juggernautai.app. Okay, do we got time for anything else we got time for a finger what was the game do we have time for a game or We don't know if we have time for a game this week. We need to save that table it table it What about to owe diet so then we talked we talked about diet. That's what we were talking about there. I suppose What do you want to talk about f1 neck training or plural possessives What do you have some or wild card do you have option C or Facebook home gym group?

We can talk about that dude. Okay, you said alright. I just joined the Facebook home. I'm not on that. Nope. I'm not on that so I It took like everything in my bean to not troll the group the other day. Okay, there's so many people in there. So many thousands, do you think? Oh, I think it's, I'll give you the actual there. I think it's over a hundred thousand. Oh, geez. I gotta, I'll see it's always the first very first thing that pops up. Yep. First thing in all kinds of dipshits in there that I'm sure every time now group size is 316,000 members. Oh my god, which is too big

That is too big for a group like that's not a group. That's just that's just now Facebook again. Oh, yeah Like that's just like the greater. That's enough people that it's just is Facebook like there's that's not a community That's just like this is just a full-on city of people that may or may not have any clue what they're talking about here, right? So it is funny. There are some interesting I mean with that many people like on any given day the number of topics that pop up in there are just insane You know, I mean there has to be hundreds of posts Probably like it doesn't even show me that many. I think there's probably too much crap in there. But What is funny is the number of times?

It's a daily basis horse stall mats coming up and usually people not like not being You know, like what are those joking? What are those black things people put on their floor like some variation of that topic comes up? Every single day and everyone gets all like snooty and cocky about it. You know yeah, and I just like was so bad I'm like ah I just want to like make a post like hey guys new to the group What's those horsey things that everyone's buying like something just really dumb that makes me seem so odd? Yeah, you just people get so annoyed by it, but it's a topic multiple times a day every single day And it is a couple of areas probably recognize your name too. I think somebody would I mean definitely somebody

I see Keith pulsing in there occasionally on stuff Yeah, and but it also the other funny part is just the elitism that goes with certain things of like Some people are mad because oh everyone's stuff is too nice And then other people are like well if you if you just have a job and this is your hobby, it's not that expensive, honestly, in the scheme of things. We've talked about it a number of times that this hobby is relative kind of inexpensive compared to a lot of hobbies. Yeah.

I mean, you want to golf. I mean, buy all your golf clubs and get a membership somewhere and go every weekend, rent a car and maybe buy a golf cart. Yeah. And and get a membership somewhere and yeah go every weekend Maybe buy a golf cart. Yeah That you're not gonna have friends that want to go golfing with you which means you'll go to other places and then you're going on golf trips and like yeah, you can could spend tens of thousands we Have I'm pretty sure we have a massonomics YouTube about this, but I still we do Yes, like go hunting get hunting, get serious into hunting. Go buy some 15 gear.

Yeah, get really into fishing. Like you think fishing is cheap, get really into fishing. See how much money you spend on fishing. Yeah, just- Like anything. See how long it takes until you're looking up boats. You know?

Yeah, that's, you like cars, get into cars. Like what are you gonna buy, one car? Like there you go, like your whole group- What are you gonna buy buy one car like there you go like you know your whole group. What are you going to buy a car? Okay money bags. You know what car costs nowadays. Well that's why like you buy one car you've officially probably spent more than almost anyone spends on a home gym. I mean forever the go-to cheap crap and I could say crappy the go-to cheap beginner car was a Miata like you can't get a Miata for like under nine grand now You know which home gym crappy get for nine grand a lot of that's actually reminds me. I was gonna. What is this? Yeah, that's what you got to know this car I had to look it up to make sure that was what it was called

But we've been my Jack is gonna be driving He takes drivers Ed soon and it won't be long until he's driving and But me and my wife are having a really fun time talking about all the possible like stupid cars We could buy as his first car. Yeah Also, like here's my general point how it's a Frame of reference on what a car costs like even these shitty joke cars. I'm like, how is that? $4,500 that's like a $700 car. Yeah, all are like now like if someone says they got a car under five grand I mean first of all, no one says that but if you did I've just like in my mind like what car is this?

Like how many hundreds of thousands are on this thing? Like yeah, but so one I've been looking kind of on the lookout for that I just think is hilarious that would be just like the perfect one is do you know what I like about a year about 2,000 Chevy Tracker looks like oh hell yeah it's a it's like a geo it's like a geo off-street yeah looks like a geo yeah looks like a geo isn't it a it's just a rebadge of uh what the hell was the geo one or is it a geo tracker yeah yeah actually yes yes that is the geo that was in Chevy yeah Chevy had. Yes, that is the geo Chevy had right, but I just like the Chevy version of it. No, those things are desirable

That's like that's I'm like I found a shitty one and I'm like it was four thousand seven hundred. Well, I Wouldn't even say shitty. It was like dry. It was let's be real It's a geo tracker like it wasn't right nice in the first place, right? What is like four thousand seven hundred fifty dollars? I'm like this thing brand new in 2000 probably cost like nine thousand dollars or eight or I don't even know Do you know what? God what the hell? This is a Zuki ninja. That's not it. What's this? Oh, yeah That seems like something I think it's a Zuki sidekick Okay, I got like a picture. Yes. I'm not anyone that doesn't know the Chevy Tracker. I

Mean most people probably know but it's it's got the front, you know one One set of doors the front cab and then it's got like this tiny little Quasi pickup bed to it. It's kind of like Like it's kind of like a tiny miniature car pickup. It's like a like, imagine a Barbie Jeep, but they make it Chevy and like, it's kind of like a shittier Wrangler from the 90s, sort of. Right, right. Right. But yeah, that same thing, I cannot remember what the hell

it's like a Suzuki sidekick. Suzuki made a bunch of just Yeah, that sounds familiar that were not very popular around here. They were kind of hard to come by. But one of my buddies Zane who lived out West River, he would talk about how on their ranch, he's like, we didn't have money, like all these side by sides,

well first of all, side by sides didn't really exist when we were kids, you know. The closest thing was like a John Deere Gator, which I'm sure even then was probably pretty expensive. And he's like, and we didn't have money to buy all these four-wheelers and stuff He's like so what my dad would do is just every so often he'd go into town and it'd be an auction And he'd get the Suzuki sidekick for like 500 bucks and we just cut the roof off it and like that was our four-wheeler

And he's like and you could throw hay bales in the back and do whatever and now listen those vehicles are like desirable and expensive now If you can find one that if you can even find one that hasn't been destroyed that the Zane hasn't cut the roof Yes, exactly But Chevy Tracker was in the running. I got a lot of a lot of wild ideas of what it could be and I do think there's something that your first car almost needs to be shitty I do think there's something that your first car almost needs to be shitty Like there's something there's a rite of passage of having a shitty car

But now though the thing is though is like okay a shitty car well unless you're actually buying something from the year 2000 But if you're even if you're getting a car that's 15 years old, that's a 2010 There wasn't a lot of like shitty cars in 20. Oh, no. No, there's really not honestly like what are you getting like? Yeah, like no I want and when I say shitty I want something that almost looks stupid Like that's what I like. I'm like the shit can be tracker This looks like like the most acid like who freaking came up with this Dan Dan at the gym He has a he has a geo tracker. Do you know that? Oh? Your old buddy Dan young. Oh

He has to do something like that. This was pretty nice though his head like the sweet I think it had like the sweet like 90s graphic down the side kind of like the style cup graphic Right, this was pretty awesome And he probably bought his when they were like actually a couple thousand dollar vehicles all because he got his I think like ten years ago Right, right. Yeah, but he did have a cool one, I remember, because he'd always drive it to work. Or what are those really?

Is it Plymouth? They made, like everyone drove one of these for a while. Well, you can find a Plymouth vehicle that still exists nowadays, that hasn't been like rotted and rusted through you've actually Know what are those called that? like some of the cruiser So I'm thinking I think I gotta look it up. Just make sure yeah, is that a Plymouth?

Yeah, okay, that's not a Plymouth, but it's PT Cruiser like like a wood grain side panel What was the last year they offered that hog 2010? Wow, you could still get that in 2010 That's only a 15 year old vehicle, dude Okay, those would grain PT cruisers though like those those though Okay, I just got to see if I hop on cars.com the PT cuz that was it has to be in shambles at the moment Let's see, but didn't you feel like like oh that was one out of every ten cars on the road Like the PT in like 2,000 that was the vehicle or 2002 whenever it came out

Yeah, when I go to cars.com and search in a like 500 mile radius of where we're at the cheapest PT cruiser Damn, you can get a 68,000 mile PT cruiser for $3,400 see that feels like too much money Oh, but I mean that but that's Seems to be the market on used cars though. It's like even these awful terrible cars are worth like $4,000 yeah terrible cars are worth like $4,000. Yeah. My friend, Kevin, Kevin at the gym, he had a Dodge Caliber and that was always felt like

a not good vehicle. I kind of was like, it's sort of as a hatchback, but kind of looks mini vanish in a bad way. And it's like that really typical, really bad, like 90s or early 2000s Dodge quality. That one checks the's us what was that a caliber yeah you know the one I always thought what kind of cool is the Dodge Magnum oh that one looks so cool 100 I agree that still looks cool I just

looked that up on my note that car looks cool especially like a cool version of that car I'm like that has a cool look to it. SRT I think had the whoever. Yeah, that one looks that one looks sweet. Actually, if they made like a decent version of that today, all I'm I'd be all for it, man. That's a yeah, there's versions that I'm still like, no, that's actually pretty cool. Yeah, there's some you just go through Google images and some people have modded a little bit. But some of these are

Really nice. Yeah So to be determined on what car watches It's just I mean a like a vehicle saver would be an obvious choice Built like a tank last also be 88, you know that sort of thing Yeah, some of the classics, you know, the problem is though is that Buick just doesn't make cars anymore So you're just stuck with these dumb crossovers not the classics Get like an enclave Just the most I mean probably the most common thing is getting like a fairly rundown like Chevy Traverse Like what's the smaller Chevy?

That but yeah rundown is a key though. I think those engines and those things are all like a known issue. Honestly, the reliable one would be like an old Civic or an old Accord or an old Camry. That's the old reliable. But around here, sometimes people like the clearance and they all will drive and those don't happen. Right, that's like actually.

On the CR-V. Like the clearance is actually the bigger issue. It is. Usually like, front-wheel drive is mostly fine But you can't have like just a few inches of clearance like you need Yeah front-wheel drive with a little more clearance as you is fine for most times that you would even be driving even in snow Mm-hmm, and let's be real if he's 14. He shouldn't be really driving in so much either though, right? What's uh, What's the little Ford? Escort escape. Yeah either though. Right. What's uh, what's the little uh, Ford? Escort? Escape? Yeah the Escort. Yeah yeah the or or Escape. Well an Escort was a car but no

Escape is what I was thinking of. Like the early Escapes like a 2000 uh maybe like a 2003 I don't know what year they started making it. Yeah there you go. Yeah those look really lame. I don't know what year they started making it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, those look really lame. I Still think like a Chevy tracker would be hilarious though that would be also not completely impractical you pull up to like practice with your bag in the back of the Chevy tracker and You can't really halt you can't like put like five kids in there, which isn't necessarily a bad thing And six months of the year when the weather is kind of okay You can have that top down and just take in yeah, you know the wind and all of its glory And I like the idea of the Chevy tracker

It seems slightly more novel than the geo tracker where you're like, what is that Chevy? My roommate in college had a geo Prism actually his was the chef. No, his was the geo prism. We called the jism It's a real fine. I he could this day will claim that it was the only one ever made with a sunroof and It had one he said he never saw That's quite the claim to fame Yeah, you can go Google Geo prism and the first thing that comes up is like this champagne ish brown colored one That was the exact one he had but this picture doesn't have a sunroof and his did have a sunroof Yeah, that really those look a lot like a Ford Escort too

Yeah, I think it was I think Chevy called theirs How is there Chevy prism too, I don't know You know for cars some of the last years that they made the Ford Ford Taurus like the cool version of the Ford Oh, I still think those are whatever. Yeah Yeah, I Think I'm like, yep. Some of those are pretty sweet, dude. I was looking at the other day. Okay, you know, Cory has the focus That's not anymore. Oh, he doesn't he doesn't have that. No, he has a Ford F-150 and he got rid of the focus for the F. Yeah 50. Oh talk about downgrade

Yeah, no more for Ford focus. Okay, so that has deadlifted in the 2017 2016 Mastinomic strongman, how long go to get rid of that thing? Oh Maybe almost a year ago Wow Okay. Well, you got a new house too. So he's just making all kinds and he got married You don't even know this man anymore Everything I thought this guy stood for is just out the window You tell me he doesn't go to the gym anymore, too It's not the same core you grew up knowing and loving

CrossFit, Cory how the world changes Well, either way the focus st is is a pretty frickin' cool car. Cory had, I always thought it was cool. Those are getting pretty dang affordable. There's an even crazier one, the Ford Focus RS that I was looking at the other day because I saw a dealership in town had one pop up. And those things are pretty sweet, but they are still command quite the premium because they are a bit of a collector's car.

Yeah. So what would one of those cost, like 40 grand or? The RS, the nice one? Yeah Depending on your mileage like 20 to 35. Okay. Yeah Are they all hatchbacks? They're all hatchbacks, baby. That's the that's the That's the main selling point right there. You got that hatchback usability. I Was actually segment actually on along those lines. I'll just do a little inside baseball here. I had made up my mind this past weekend that I was buying a car. I'm like, yep, I'm doing it. I had, I'm like, yep, this is going to happen. Yep. And like any, you're just going to buy a car. Yeah. It was that Mercedes that I had looked at that had, and they've brought the price down quite a bit. And I'm like, that's it. I'm doing it.

And I've, so it's been sitting there a while. You can play some hard ball with, oh, they've already knocked the price down a lot. I'm like, oh, I could probably get it down to a decent amount more still. And then eventually I'm like, no, you know what? At the end of the day, I don't need a Mercedes that has 80,000 miles on it. They had 80,000 miles and I'm just reading all the forums on the engine and all this stuff. It's like, no, it's their V6.

It's reliable. They've used it for years, but I'm like, I think I would just have a hard time sleeping at the end of the day. Well, see, it's not the car that gets you, it's the service. Well, I think it could be the car that gets you too. So, it was like an emotional roller coaster.

I was like, I had called, I mean, I went through the steps of calling my insurance agent to get a quote on what insurance would be, because I'm like, I don't want to get blindsided by insurance. So I went through those steps of calling my insurance agent to get a quote on what insurance would be because I'm like I don't want to get blindsided by insurance. Right. So I went through those steps and I'm like, yep, if tomorrow, tomorrow, Lee, I'm making the call, I'm gonna do this. And then later that day, I'm like, nope, I came to my senses like no, nope, it's off the table again. So would you have gotten rid of the Malibu for it? Yeah, I would have. Okay. Yeah. But that's, how many miles does your Malibu have on it? Like 108.

Yeah. But I only put like 5,000 a year on it, so. Right. No, that's like, that's my only thing is like, though the Malibu is still in pretty good. I know it is. It is the way I am, but I'm like, the Malibu is in pretty good car still.

You've been looking at used cars. You tell me right now, if I clean that thing up and take nice pictures of it and put it on marketplace for five grand that's gotten the day right? I would sure think so. Yeah, I mean like I think relatively speaking it's worth that easy. Like I look at this shit box Chevy Tracker from 2000 they want $4, yeah, it might be worth more than five. I think it is. I were sick. Well, I actually You could I can look at comps at other dealer pages have listed It's kind of a weird comp because it's a 15 year old car Most of them have been lost to rust and Around there's not a lot of survivors. Yeah, we're playing a game of attrition here

There's just it's the last man standing But most dealers have them listed between like sixty five and nine thousand dollars So yeah, yeah, but a five thousand dollar car isn't as a rarity like something that's even roadworthy So that's why I know I could go relatively fast if I ever So did you just decide that that wasn't that that car wasn't the right car or do you think there would be a right car? Are you not really looking? No, that is the right car or do you think there would be a right car are you not really looking no that is the right car i just don't want that many miles i just don't want to buy a Mercedes with 80 000 miles on it that's what i'm saying like leah yeah before before we she had her vehicles a tahoe like that's kind of our family hauler and before that she had

a mercedes glk that i think she got around 30000 miles and we drove it all the way to like 110 115 and Had no problems and it was a great car like it I mean it had a couple dumb little things that felt like they cost way too much But there was never it was never a single item that was like over a thousand bucks for a car to put 70,000 I'm like, that's a pretty good life of a car there but Yeah, I don't know. I don't know man So do you think I mean would you be on the lookout for I mean

I'll tell you this car with less miles isn't really gonna pop up is it? No, it won't really pop You can go on like cars that car you can go like any car search and type in like Mercedes wagons from this year and in the entire country at any point there's like 50 for sale Right a little but that is the car. I want a Mercedes wagon, but point there's like 50 for sale. Right. But that is the car I want a Mercedes wagon. But, um, the problem here is that at the end of the day, my financial sensibilities hit me and I'm like, Oh, I just, all right, let's just go civic here and we'll just go have,

we'll just wait a couple more years and get a fun car. And that's the balance. That's the game I'm playing with myself all the time here. Like, but now it's kind of the point of how long can I take this? Like, I mean, can I have this car for seven more years? You know, I bet you could with I bet like I honestly believe like I'm a firm believer if you mostly take care of your vehicles, they last a really long time. Sure can start with in like you're at 100 and just over 100,000 miles and you said he put thousand miles out of the year. Probably last fine for 10 more years. I've been in 10 years.

It would probably still look nice. This is the debate I have with myself. I'm like, I drive it so little, but at the same time, like vehicles have made incredible strides in safety in the last 15 years. And I'm like, yeah, am I giving up some important safety in the name of cheapness? Right. And, you know, like a good example is here, I'm going to am I giving up some important safety in the name of cheapness? And a good example is here, I'm gonna be driving to Aberdeen next week.

It could be zero degrees out. And if my car died, it'd be like, well yeah, it's 15 years old and it has 100,000 miles. Of course it's gonna die on a 200 mile trip in zero degree weather. Like that's when that will happen. And then I'm just gonna be thinking the whole time, why was I being so cheap?

Like why didn't I do something about this when I had the time on my hands? Right. So I don't know. I also thought, you know what, I've never lived in a town that has like a lot of dealerships. I could just take my sweet time and be like,

I'm going into this dealership, I'm gonna test drive three with no intent of buying any of them. And next week I'll go test drive three more at a different dealership and actually go through the full carbide experience Because I've never done that before either and then you can really play some hardball Own your hardball. I'm a man that can only be bought for an extremely low price. So

Come on guys. What do we got here? Yeah, I go back in the back and crunch some more numbers That reminds me of F1 neck training. Kind of is along those lines. You're a bit of an F1. That stands for Formula One for anyone that doesn't know. You're a bit of a Formula One fan. Yes, I do have an F1 annual subscription to the F1 app. You know, I don't miss my races.

So, so yeah, we've definitely kind of a big deal. This is a bit of an F1 app, you know, I don't miss my races. So. So, yeah, we've definitely kind of a big deal. This is a bit of an F1 podcast at times. We've hit on F1 a time or two, at least we do say those words occasionally. Are you aware of any F1 neck training? I just know they're so I know they do neck specific exercises like occasionally when they have some dumb montages, they'll saw some guys doing some things like weights hanging off their neck.

Um, I did not realize this before I got into it is that how the G forces on their neck are so intense that a lot of the guys occasionally, like let's say a driver gets sick or they're injured and they have to call up a guy from one of the lower leagues or something like that, or a guy that hasn't been an F1. Uh, usually when the race is done, they'll talk about like how bad their neck hurts and how they need to like, lay down because it's just taken everything out of them. That's about the extent of it that I

know. I think what I read was in a corner, like in a common corner in f1, their head with the helmet on it can feel five times heavier than a normal head. I believe that'd be like five years like, yeah, that is the thing. It's like the F1, the G's they go through are crazy and like regular. Uh, maybe it's 6.5 actually. Yeah. I'm seeing those right here, yeah

Yeah, and then you're doing that, you know a lot of the races have like anywhere from like 16 or more corners You know going both directions and then you're doing that for an hour and a half straight 50 some laps For reference it can feel like your head is weighing between 66 and 88 pounds due to the force on the neck muscles So that's pretty extreme that is I was looking into this. What is it called? This neck. Have you seen this neck trainer before? the iron neck I Gotta look at us. It's kind of a funny little contract. Oh that dissing around. Yeah Yeah, it has like so right thumbnails with this thing on his head

I feel like cost 275 bucks and you hook it up to your neck and then he can like attach it to stuff Okay, and you have like a resistance band on it. I see Right. I see some this was came up in like an f1 racer was using the iron neck or something Oh here they have Jake Paul and Mike Tyson both chose the iron neck for their training. Oh, and it's iron Mike Tyson. So that's actually all I had on F1 neck training. Big lead up for like three weeks to not really have anything to say about it. Yeah, I never realized that though. And even along those lines, I didn't understand that like a G is what's it? It's two G's like two times your body weight. Three G's is three times your

body weight. That's how it goes. Right? right. I think so. Yes. And so it's like saying Like the first time was really exposed to that that concept of how intense it can be It was when f1 champion max Verstappen at the British Grand Prix This is like two or three years ago is like one of the first seasons I started watching he hit a wall at a force of 51 G's which if you weigh 150 pounds What's that 150 pounds times 51? Like that's, that is a lot, that's an crazy amount of force.

Like that is insane that you can build a vehicle that can hit a wall that hard and you can survive that. Pretty wild. That's those safe vehicles you're talking about. That's what you get when you buy a 2023 vehicle. Doesn't even need to be 2025. 2023, You can take 50 G's. No problem. Yeah All right, anything else we need to I Guess we didn't get on plural possessive. Maybe we'll save that for one of the following up So yeah, I gotta have something a lot to say about plural possessives and we got a game

We do got a game on next I'm very excited for that game. We don't get games possessives and we got a game we do got a game on the Excited for that game. We don't get games often on this show, but when we do They're good Is it the game that could be recurring or is it a one-time? Oh, I mean it could kind of be recurring but this one's mostly gonna be a one-time one because it's just too good We got to get all of us Alright, so stay tuned maybe possibly next week for a fun game that we'll all get to put well We all get to play it together. Can you listen along and play? You can definitely listen along and play. Yeah. Yeah It's gonna be I'm quizzing you on stuff. So I'm is it like who wants to be a millionaire?

It's kind of like that except there's no money and no stages and no lifelines, but besides that it's pretty much like that Yeah, is Regis Philbin gonna be there? He just will be there That's kind of what I had in mind when I said it's like. Is Regis Philbin still alive, do you think? He's gotta be old. Yeah. He seemed like old in like 2000. Yeah.

Isn't it funny, like, is your picture of him like a grandpa in a suit to play in that game? Yes. Yeah, he died in 2020, 88 years old. Oh yeah, so he would be 92. Yeah, he died in 2020, 88 years old. Oh yeah, so he would be 92. Yeah, 88. So when I think back, you know, who wants to be a millionaire? About 2000. 20, well, he was still 60. 60. Okay. So he actually was old on that show.

Yeah, he was legitimately old. He was beyond retirement age for most people when he was doing that show. I don't think now though, if someone's starting a new game show They're like, yeah, we need like a guy that's like 70 to carry this show. We need the charisma of a 70 year old He kind of pulled it off pretty well. He did that Was maybe it was that was a just kind of a perfect storm that game should like for anyone That's not old and like if you were much younger than us You're certainly know what who wants to be a millionaire is,

but you didn't experience. You didn't know the choke hold that had on America. That had a serious choke hold on America though. Like you came to school the next day and it was like, oh my God, did you watch who wants to be a millionaire? And like what's the guy's name when he won the million dollars the first time?

I don't know the guy's name, but he had like glasses and he Yeah, yeah, and he phoned a friend on the million dollar question to tell us to tell him to call his dad and tell him I'm going to win the million dollars. And like that was an enormous deal. Like everyone, everyone knew it. Yeah, everyone talked about it. I remember it was it was that show. Yeah, that show got like people talk about game shows anymore though. Is that a thing? Um Was dealer no deal popular for a while. I mean like yeah, but I'm saying

Nowadays now does anyone really care? No, but I mean deal or no dealer was after that, you know, like after yeah, you know that came later But like that's the same phase that all I think all game shows run through that like not all of them ever make it that popular but even the ones that get really popular they just have a certain run of a survivor hit that level too when we were right younger I feel like I was too young that had us kind of had a stranglehold on people too I never really cared about that show I never that's also like a reality see that was the thing I was I

was too young to want to care about reality TV Right and wheel of fortune just always on same thing price Well, we all fortune in jeopardy and the price is right are slightly different that there's just these like same constant Mm-hmm. It's just like comfort TV. Just all the old friend here. They are Like if you if you're somewhere in Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy comes on, doesn't it? Like I don't even know what it reminds me of, but it just reminds you of something.

You're like, oh, there's a certain feel to like not coming on the TV. Almost like if only there was a smell associated with it, too. You'd just be locked in forever. There almost is a smell like if Wheel of Fortune comes on. And I don't know what it is But it's like the show smells funny. It smells like toast cooking in my house in the morning Maybe a bowl of soup or something

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