Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 465: One Powerlifting Rule That Everyone Agrees On!

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Listen to find out the one rule in powerlifting that has NEVER been broken! Also we pilot out a brand new game this episode called Two White Lights. All that and much more in an action packed no-time-stamp adventure. Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything mass anomics. We are here for Episode 465 the mass dynamics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. Tommy, you're staying busy over there this week. My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy Tommy you staying busy over there this week

Man say it louder for the people in the back Tanner This is one of those weeks, isn't it? Not just I don't want to just know if you're staying busy. I want to know if you're staying busy over there I'm staying very busy busy over there. Yes, being busy down there I'd also like to ask ask answer your question with another question, and are you saying safe down there I? Need to actually we had that one Colin episode where we told everyone to stay safe They left we need to get back to that The world really abandoned that saying in a hurry. Yeah, we'll get back to it. Oh, but first Everyone Tommy's wearing the shirt so no better time to talk about it than right

now build fast formula supplements you can you buy a shirt from them if you want to do on their website it's buildfastformula.com or my personal favorite buy some of their supplements they've got vaso blitz full blitz 8020 protein blitz 3d they also have creatine monohydrate for sale in their site now, too That's a recent addition here within the last few months probably the best part about everything I build fast formula I Said a lot of things I like so far But the thing I like the most discount code massonomics saves you 10% on every single order that you purchase from them also

If you spend over a hundred dollars you get free shipping in the United States. So check them out, build fast formula. This episode is also brought to you by Barefoot Shoes. If you head over to Barefoot.store, you can check out some excellent Barefoot footwear. Just tonight, I had a little deadlift session. And my deadlift shoe of choice is the Ursus Low Top, one of my all time favorites. I've been rocking that thing a lot ever since I picked it up this past summer. I prefer the canvas black canvas with a gum sole it has a

Classic but kind of under the radar look I really really enjoy that one they recently released the Ursus gen 2 if you're looking for something that has a little bit more of a Traditional shoe look to it. It kind of bridges that gap between full on barefoot shoe and a sneaker. So that's a nice in-betweener. And with the ever-changing weather conditions here in South Dakota, they also have the Bruin boot

that we both tend to rock this time of year. It's been a real go-to of mine for all the dog walks in this inclement weather we've had these last couple weeks. But as the weather is changing, and we're back to Ursus weather. So pick up a pair for yourself over at barefoot.store while you're there, make sure to use code massonomics and you can save 10% on your next order barefoot.store code massonomics. Thank you. Are you barefoot shoes?

Tommy, are you packing any barefoot shoes to go to the Arnold? You know, I'll keep that thing on me. Oh Yeah, gotta have what do you wear? What do you gotta have you bring? I'm probably going Actually, wow, I didn't really think I just was in my mind going the Ursus low tops because I like those so much but Yeah, I'm probably gonna have to go Ursus low tops I just you know, I got the other I got the Ursus high tops two options there, but I

Don't know man the low tops or something. Just just so freeing about them I think I'm gonna I actually have a problem I was gonna bring the Ursus 1.0 and the Ursus 2.0 low top both but I Had my 2.0 in The freestyle and I dropped the freestyle off to pick up our Arnold wagon. So there's a switcheroo that happened. Yeah. And I and it just today realized I'm like, wait, my two point O's were in there and I'm done.

I can't go back for him. So I think I might wear. Ersonomics and Gen one. Or wait. Yeah, Ersonomics. Did I say Ersonomics to begin with? Maybe I did say, yeah, hey, it's Ersonomics and Gen 1, or wait, yeah, Ursonomics. Did I say Ursonomics to begin with? Maybe I did say Ursonomics. Yeah, you did say Ursonomics. And Gen 1 Ursus.

Okay. That's what I'm gonna pack for my Barefoot collection. It's a good lineup right there. Yeah, so this episode 465, we're recording it a day before we leave for the Arnold, but this will come out the day that we're on the way home from the Arnold So we're not gonna talk a lot about the Arnold now because the next episode will be recording on the road 466 will be recorded on the road on the way home from the Arnold like we do as is tradition as is the way yes

Can't just the rules. We don't make them. This is how it is we have to record as we're going through Can't just the rules we don't make a mess is how it is we have to record as we're going through Indiana Illinois, it's Iowa like yeah first night we get out of there We get quite a ways and then once we hit Iowa where there really is just nothing for a long long time That's in the prime podcast and landscape so If I would say this if we saw you at the Arnold you're listening to this one. It just came out. Thanks. Thanks for thanks for coming to visit with us. That was fun, man.

Man, we had fun. Oh, that was a crazy. That was the craziest Arnold ever. I was great. Damn, that set a record for craziest shit ever. The craziest shit we've ever done. We do have something extra special this episode. We are going to announce the winners of our drink spotter

contest. The submission period has ended. It ended just yesterday. And we have selected winners winners we put our minds together today and narrowed it down to the best lot of hopes to be tallied. Yeah, there was a lot of submissions. I actually didn't. I didn't look at the full number of rows here. But it was in the thousands, I think 70,000 million submissions. So there there is was a lot of submissions and actually a lot

of good ones. Lot of smoke. So we'll get to that. But first time you drinking anything to know? Yes. first, Tommy, are you drinking anything tonight? Oh, yes. Yes, yes I am. What do you got there? Costco Kirkland Signature Lime Sparkling Water. You know, we don't have a, we're not fancy in western northeast South Dakota. We don't have a Costco, but we do have,

we're a little fancy. We've got a Target. Better goods, yeah, Target. Better goods, better goods yeah tarj better goods better goods orange mango mango is not a top flavor for me now sparkling water tear in anything mangoes not a top flavor for me in anything i'm like sometimes i'm like mango just be an orange already and you could be tastier but trying to be a mango and just And just be, you know, kind of, it is kind of on you to just pick the right flavor though.

I don't go, I don't. Right, I mean, I haven't selected your family unit. It's been in our house for years. It's more of a domestic issue. Things just show up. How about those grocery prices? Am I right? You know what?

If I'm totally honest, I've actually gotten significantly smarter with my grocery shopping over the years. When I was a single guy, I used to do this thing, Tanner. It was called go to Mastinomics gym, you know, be there for an hour between one and a half and three and a half hours. Then drink 12 brewskis, multiple nights of the week. And then I would get done and I'd say, this sounds like the start of a Mastinomics meme, go on.

And I'd say, what am I gonna have for dinner tonight? Let's go to the grocery store. And I would go to the grocery store like three or four days a week. Because it was such a waste of time, but I had nothing else to do. So I didn't have to think about it until I was ready at dinner that night.

And I would leave the gym, because the grocery store is like two blocks away. I'd go get whatever I wanted to eat for the next day or two, and then I would go home and make it. And that was fine, but what I've started to do is there's this little hack called buying in bulk at Costco.

And man, once you start doing that, once you really get that down for your essentials, once you shift to make your essentials be Costco items, man, you are living the half-price grocery life. It's actually, I 100% agree that- A cheat code? Yes, I 100% agree that groceries are more expensive, but now that I've shifted to so many of my items

being through Costco, it's like, yeah, I'm actually not really paying any more than what I was a couple of years ago, which is kind of crazy. Also, when you consider, you know, got multiple dependents in the scenario now. And also also I eat out significantly less than I used to too That's another variable there, right? Let's say the bar budget is a bit lower than it used to be Yeah, so your total food and drink budget doing your cat my collective the collective budget is lower than it used to be a couple

Years ago, that's for sure You know what the rising grocery prices really makes me think though? Oh, that we used to be a proper country. We used to be a proper country. Take you through this mental exercise. I go into Costco the other day to get some eggs where the frickin eggs are. There was iced coffee. They just they gave up on the game. No, my God in their iced coffee.

It's iced coffee where the eggs go. We can't get you eggs affordably Can we give you some ice coffee? It is it is for the right time of day, but it is the wrong item Costco that really presses my it used to be a proper country button Instantly got on my phone. I looked up mr. Costco's name and number and I left him an angry an angry voicemail What did you say to him? I said hey And Google South Park episode Google Translate was like did you mean we used to be a proper country It's like a translate button there I don't even know what language it thinks it is, but it's the button is in there

This orange mango isn't too bad. I mean, I think the orange carries it a little bit. So as it tends to Do you like orange juice? Not really do you like juice not really actually don't even like fruit that much to be totally honest Not really. Do you like juice? Not really. I actually don't even like fruit that much to be totally honest That's right. You've been on the record of that I don't know. I feel like we didn't have fruit a whole lot growing up And if I don't know maybe we did and I just didn't like it, but just don't care for fruit You know, it's got to be perfect. It's gonna be perfect or it's gross

That is kind of true Like it's at least got to be good or else it's gross the window when it gets bad Really the windows just so small for when fruit can be good. So I'm yeah, not a big I eat I eat a lot of fruit, but I don't eat that many vegetables. So that's like Yeah, I know people lump them together. I'm not sure But it seems like vegetables would be more essential if you had to cut one out But I think I would think so too. Like I remember, this was years ago,

we talked about on the podcast, how good those little, what do you call them? Cuties. Yes, how good those were, and I was just going through the stage. I had five of them today. Yeah, I was going through the stage of loving them, and you're like, oh, I've been eating them like crazy too,

and then I think it was like the next week, we just didn't buy them for a week, and since that day I probably had like four. That was like four years ago. Yeah, we just didn't buy them for a week. And since that day, I probably had like four. That was like four years ago. Yeah, we have, there again, those just show up sometimes and they sometimes are not there. And by there, I mean in my house and my refrigerator and they're there right now.

And I hammer those when we've got those, those are- And they're good. When they're perfect, they're good. What happens is- Also those, some of the, sometimes they're not very good. When they're not in season It's like are you like you get a bad batch? They all just like oddly soft and they don't taste that good and they're like the there's like more gristle to it than it

Feels like there should be for something. That's a fruit. I will say this week though I've already I've had like three bananas this week, which is more bananas than I typically have in like a six-month period. So I don't know. Maybe I'm on a fruit kick again. Yeah, today, just as I said, I had like five of those cuties. I had a banana, I had blueberries, and I had raspberries. Like a fruit dumpster over there. We go through so much blueberries and raspberries because all my kids, and bananas, and apples actually,

because all of the kids eat all of those things. So like, and actually if you're listening, I don't mean to say that as like my kids eat healthy because 90% of the times, like fruit is one of the things we can get them to eat because it's not crap. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Actually, you know what? All this talk of food and groceries reminds me of one thing here I put in a long time ago with protein bars. I don't know what it is, but ever since we had the first crew falls, I was not aware that the pure protein bars existed at Costco. That was Jake was buying a box of them.

I did not know that those existed there. I'd never even had a pure protein bar. And he's like, yeah, I get these all the time. And I think I've talked about it several times. It's a box of 24 and it's usually 20 bucks. Sometimes they're on sale for 17, which makes it a pretty good deal. And I love those things.

It was every day after lunch, when I finished my lunch, I eat one of those, it's like my little lunch dessert, and it's 20 grams of protein. I don't know if it's like two grams of sugar or something. There's like no carbs in it, like basically no fat. And it's just good. I looked forward to it. I liked all three flavors, chocolate,

chocolate chip and peanut butter. Everyone of them was great. I just loved it. And then all of a sudden, I don't know what it was. I bought a box and I took a bite of the chocolate one and I actually had to spit it out. So I'm like, whoa, something, something is off with this batch. This is bad. So I'm like, Whoa, something, something is off with this batch.

This is bad. And I'm like, that's so crazy. So I like, I set it down. That maybe it's like too fresh after I just ate whatever I ate. So I came back to it like 10 minutes later, same thing, took a bite. I had, it had like this irony, like blood taste to it. And I'm like, this is the worst thing. I've ever, this is so bad.

I'm like, it just has to be a bad batch. And so I got the, uh, I ate the rest of the This is so bad. I'm like, it just has to be a bad batch. And so I got the, I ate the rest of the other flavors in there. They were all good. I'm like, oh God, I'm so glad that's done. Went and bought another box, had the chocolate one, exact same thing. And now for whatever reason, in my taste buds,

the peanut butter ones started to taste bad. And I don't know if they changed an ingredient or if just magically my taste buds changed in the past. Maybe you've hit your Threshold I've never once been like I got like I've always looked forward to eating one and it was just one day Actually something changed. I don't know what it is It's very upsetting to me because that was a real real easy source of protein But I might just have to make up for it with more cottage cheese now, you know

Well, there's some follow-up in the discord. First of all big Brandon says chocolate salted is his go-to flavor big antony says chocolate deluxe 180 calories 21 grams of protein But then antony did say they get like that sometimes I'm just telling you i've bought uh, at least a box a month sometimes two boxes a month And and jake says the same thing that the chocolate ones get like that. It's been over a year, though. I've been doing it for over a year and I've never ever. I will 100% agree.

They're saying some batches are better than others. I will say there are some batches that are like perfectly chewy and like soft. And I'm like, dude, it's like you went into the pure bakery shop and grabbed one right off the surface. There's that much variability. Like I will say this. I will say this. I did not notice this for like the first eight months of eating them. And then after you eat them. Like, we're not talking kind of cheese here. I will say this. I did not notice this for like the first eight

months of eating them. And then after you eat them long enough, you're like, no, some of these are like, the consistency is perfect. But I always thought the flavor was pretty much the same. But something has changed to me. I can't eat the chocolate ones anymore. They're just not in season, Brandon.

They're out of season. It reminds me of like a candy bar, like a candy bar, like if you buy Butterfinger, it's always exactly the same, right? That I would say, oh yeah, I think so. I used to work with this lady though. She would order dots off of Amazon, you know, the chewy dots. Disgusting. She would order those off of Amazon.

She said Amazon has the freshest. I'm horrified that there's people keeping that candy company in business. I know. And she would get them on there because she said it was the softest, freshest dots you'll ever get in your life if you order them off Amazon. How you get to that point, I have no idea. I'm disappointed in everyone that keeps candy

like that in business so that it doesn't just go away. Oh, if it was up to my kids, they could keep the freaking Sour Patch Kid Company and Skittles and all that. Like they would just, they think that's the greatest stuff ever. Yeah. I said, there's no, no decision harder in my boy's life than we say you can have a treat and we're at the store and it's just like better buckle in.

We could be here for five to 10 minutes. Just looking at every package, asking questions about the ones that he doesn't know going through them all it's it's quite the ordeal what's the I was just listening to a podcast other day, it's like the Dilemma of too many choices I I Can't think of it in the man I spend time searching it But it's like the way you have so many choice Jeff says the paradox of choice the paradox of choice Yes

Like if you go to buy a magazine and there's 100 different magazines to choose from your I mean magazines are just a ridiculous example But it was the example it but you're more likely to not buy a magazine because there's so many choices where if there's only six choices for example you're more likely to purchase one because it's not overwhelming I kind of get that but also at the same time I'm like I'm 35 I kind of know what I like at this point like do you are you like caught off guard with stuff that you don't know that you like very often anymore Tanner? No, I'm not Don't get me wrong. I like to try new novel things, but at the same time I kind of know what I like, you know

I have a hundred magazines. I can guarantee you there's like whole genres of magazines I'm not even to spend a second looking at Actually Keith brings up a really good point there to me with streaming services. This is a real thing for Paradox of Choices. I will give you credit on that one. He says with watching TV, that absolutely happens to me. I have literally turned my TV on before, looked through it and been like, ah, no, I give up, I'm just not,

I'm gonna do something else. Like there's like, I don't even know where to begin to look for something. Yeah, I get that one. But at the same time, I have a watch list of things that I know I should watch. So when that happens, I'm like, I actually wasn't that serious about actually wanting

to watch something if I catch myself in that loop. True. OK, do we want to talk about these winners, or should we wait till we kick it off? Maybe we should save it for the ride home from the Arnold. Ha ha ha. Ah, just kidding. Let's actually talk about it. Let's see I want to pull it up here so we had a drink spotter contest and we got some winners to select. We talked about having several submissions we are picking two grand

prize winners one was for best video one was for best photo the grand prize winners both win the same thing they win a Very custom red anodized professionally read drink spotter XL So it is just like our drink spotter XL only it's red each of the grand prizes Winners will get one of those as well as $69 Approximately in South Dakota scratch tickets and if any of those are worth more than $100, you are legally obligated to share half of the winnings with us.

Yeah, I mean, if there's winnings, we fully expect that back at the very least in the form of you purchasing stuff from lastlabs.com. Actually, you know what? You just sign the ticket over to us, and we will decide how to divvy out all this money. Yeah, yeah. So we did pick those two grand prize winners.

I think we're also gonna pick one runner up award for this week and then also on unpaid and underrated, their next episode that they're recording. They're going to have the liberty to pick one runner up award also. Would say we had a lot of great submissions. Instagram's really freaking stupid. How hashtags don't really work.

I mean, I knew this going into it. So I knew I had to do it, but it's been a while since I've done this. So we do have to mention that for a moment. The submission is so it used to be. We've done these contests many times. You would go to Instagram, you'd click on your hashtag. And for the most part, it's basically just sorting it by date, you know, and maybe it's not perfectly chronological, but things that happen more recently are at the top and

things that are older way down. And now you go to the hashtag. Here's a post from yesterday and here's a post from 2021. Here's a post from two days ago. Here's a post from 2020. And you're like, what, how it makes it so impossible to track down these submissions. Luckily you keep a spreadsheet of every person

so we can manually type them in when it comes to reviewing because if you're relying on the hashtag alone, it's damn near impossible to find all these things. What Kevin said is right now, you're lucky if you even get things that actually have that hashtag. Yeah, that's the truth. Like some of the things I don't think even are hashtag that, and it's certainly not comprehensive.

It's not catching, you're just randomly getting, it's feeding you things at random at that point. So the hashtag is basically useless is what, you know, pretty much what that says. I should quit wasting my time posting, putting in the hashtags. It's just such habit at this point. And I'm so fast at it.

It's literally like a 10 second thing to add. Well, I don't think in that scenario it's actually that bad because it is potentially making you pop up in random situations, you know, right Potentially, but you ever do people ever use the hashtags like that when they're searching for things though or people you're always just on your I've actually tried it recently for some other things in the name of like Instagram research for like meme ideas and stuff And it's just like so disappointing. It's useless. I'm trying to find funny stuff and it's just giving me

Not funny stuff. Yeah. OK, so on the submissions, we're not going to go over everything that's submitted, but what do we want to do, just point out some fun ones that are winners first? Yeah, I think we should. So first of all, we have done this several times, like you were mentioning, Tanner.

The creativity, always impressive. We have our ideas for how you market the drink spotter and how you make memes and videos about it. And it's always very refreshing and fun to see everyone else's take or remix on how you talk about, use this, show this, promote it, whatever. So yeah, we do appreciate everyone that that put some effort

in they were all at the very least worth worth a little nose breath, I believe. Right. Photos were harder, but you know, I didn't necessarily know this going into it, but it was harder for someone to make a good photo submission than it was a video submission, I think. I think so just because photo you don, you don't have as much time to get the point across, it's just, it is what it is. And I have my, for anyone watching at home, I do have my actual pen and paper list here,

that I'm, that I am old, so I'll put a ruler on it to read across the lines, that's a little trick. I have my computer screen in front of me, so that's what I go with. I don't have a computer handy, or else I'd do the same thing. Okay, any that stick out to you as you're going down the list

that weren't necessarily winners that you just had a comment on at all? I just right away, Megan the Quarter Horse, I do enjoy it. Oh, yeah, that was good. Leaning into the blind joke that's always funny. I do enjoy it. Oh, yeah, that's good leaning into the blind Joke, that's always funny. That was an early submission too. So it really had my eye going early as a potential potential winner And the other thing about that one that was a really good

Following the rules of the contest submission where she was showing an actual use of the drink spotter. Yes, yes. I'm just trying to not mention some of these real top of the list ones here. I was gonna say I liked Big Nick Rolfe, his submission where it was the Phil Pfister speech, world's strongest man speech, only as him in the squat rack I really liked that idea that he had that concept. I thought that was really fun. Yeah Scant's photo of winning the lottery there will be signs that was good from

Yeah, even the license plate on the car told the drink spotters. I like that. I also really liked I think it was scantz that posted it and it was only in the Instagram, or in Discord, so I don't think it was a full on submission, but it was him, Dodds, and Tyler Thompson, and there was a drink spotter XL over Tyler Thompson, drink spotter Classic over Dodds, and the light over Scantz.

Very specific audiences who will get that one. But I like that one too. That was good. Yeah. Recentonomics had a couple of good, almost like meme posts where one he had was the normal distribution kind of sort of thing of the three drink spotters. And the other one was a really, really well thought out

Venn diagram that incorporated like all of the massomic sponsors You look at it you're like, oh, it's funny It's like a dumb meme chart of the drink spotter and then you start looking like God it actually makes a lot of sense though yeah, I saw a good photo from Kim at barbell rescue of the You know barbell rescue brush you in the drink spotter. That's actually a legitimate use of the drink spotter. We use that for that at the gym also to put our barbell rescue brush in there.

A real dream team of products right there. Yeah. I liked Toby's Olympic gold medals. Yep, that was good. That was good. I liked Andrew Garrison. His wife at the end says the meatloaf is ready. I'm like, ah, yes And he was checking to see if it fit under the bed too. Yeah. Yeah, okay

Are we sticking to photos right now or video to you though? Oh, I don't know. I know whatever whatever I was kind of sticking it to keeping it to photos for the moment I didn't know if we were all kick at the moment. Oh, okay. I'm just making things up as I go. So I don't even know. I like Scott Dodds did the, he was inverted thing. That was really, yes, that was, that was really good. Or do we just need to get to picking our photo winner? Let's pick our photo winner. I think we've kind of, I mean, at this point we've called up most of the photos anyways, but uh, yeah, photos were surprisingly tough though,

to get a photo that really shows off the drink spotter But also gets it in a good good scenario and there was one photo That we both independently school both ranked the highest quite high those actually it's funny We're going through like who is the winner though? But well, we have the scores and then we realized like oh, yeah, we both did rate this one the highest Yeah Bunch of so it was uh Yes, big Rory Ellis

came through a Roman strength on Instagram and he had the photo of the four drink spotters four or five drink spotters on the side of his 1966 Ford all filled with brewskis He also had a video too, but we're really actually awarding him a grand prize winner for his photo submission. So big Rory, if anyone knows his handle in Discord, go ahead and tag him up that he's a big wiener.

And the photo is good for a number of reasons. One, it's just so stupid the fact that there are drink spotters mounted to a truck with full of beer It's like well then is like full all full of like 24 hours and years and the fact that they're on the outside of it too, you know, it's yeah, it was good and Yeah, yeah, so said no officer. There's no alcohol inside the vehicle Is that a technicality that it's okay? I think so. They're like, ah ah you beat the system and then the cops just drive away I think that's how it works. Yeah

So other videos then oh they didn't already mentioned yeah for talking videos then Okay, can we just all right can we say some of just the all-time highlights here yeah, I So this wasn't a winner, but this was, this was right up at the top. O'Doyle basement lifts, the riskier outside the gym. That one was really funny. I really liked that. I think Big Brandon's listening live too.

So congratulations, you didn't win anything, but we did really like your video. Yeah, that was, that was good. The way it ends with the toaster. Yeah, that was, I liked it. He's like toaster, yeah. That was, I like it. He's like going with no TP. Yeah, because what it is, it's like because he's safe in the gym, he can take more risks.

Take a few more risks outside the gym. Yeah. Yeah, that one was really good. Do I wanna say the next person down on the list or do we gotta hang onto them for a moment? Or is your list on the right order? Well, I don't know that ours are in the same order as each other.

Because I did like Matt, mostly squat Matt too, he had like it was the Rob Schneider thing. Ah, he's a drink spotter. And he turned into a drink spotter and I'm like, that is a Rob Schneider movie, isn't it? And it's so stupid also, just the whole, someone, it was maybe Kevin's comment, like, Rob Stapler is the Schneider or something.

It just gets, makes less and less sense the farther it goes. I also like speaking to Matt too, he did one where it was him and Nate and David, they teamed up and it was the, the wazza call to each other. And that's just fun seeing it. You know that's a guy from Ohio a guy from California and a guy from the East Coast that are all getting together getting in on this action together Cody the world's strongest Cody the strongest bird washer. He had a good one the the best friend

That was just a fun one. That was good rolling the Got on the log. He's got on the stone. That was that was good. I liked Speaking again of ones where they really followed the rules of the contest big generally where she used it as The chicken feeder where she actually showed a video of her and I'm like that's actually a prac could be used for something like that Yep, very very practical very good. That was you know, it's got that Midwest flair to it chickens. It does Now I'm getting up to some of my higher higher ones on my list

band of druthers Did the kangaroo where it's the drink spotter light inside of the drink spotter XL, and it's the David Attenborough narration, like Planet Earth or whatever, you know? Yep, that one was very good. This one did kind of make me laugh. It was dumb, but in a good way,

was Big Mo, his Bells of Steel ad that just turned into a drink spotter ad. And did kind of make me laugh. It was dumb, but in a good way was big big mo His bells of steel ad that just turned into a drinks water Nate did a few he did a series the first one though was a Like drink like safety drink safety in 20 25 20 2021 whatever it was and then it's 1975 and it was him his beer tipped over because he was watching the news that the Edmund Fitzgerald mm-hmm that was good the whole series was pretty entertaining boldly of 9-11. It was bold. Scantz, ASMR. Yeah. The Bentley.

You've seen that before, like that's a really popular. I'd never seen that one before. And it's funny, after I watched that, Instagram just must know you've watched something that's that style. And now my discover page is filled with those videos all of a sudden, I've never seen those before Okay, there's only a few left on the list to mention here

That are towards the top top end of my list Not to say that some of these other like I said, we're not gonna mention every single submission because we just can't but credit for creativity, big Jeff on the piano. We both had that rated very highly where it's his rendition of Journey. And it was really good. That was up there as a contender for me. Jeff really knows how to tickle those keys.

That was good. That was good. And a number of people commented way better than any AI generated exactly Yep Okay, now should we talk tell it talk about a runner-up board or dessert? Yes ones you wanted to mention first now Let's get the runner-up the flute five think of anything then we'll mix that in here at the end All right drum roll, please on the runner-up award Picking him for a couple of reasons

Hey, he had really good videos. He had two videos that were like in both in our top ten So if they just feel like it's award worthy It's big Antony is getting a runner-up award For two videos actually the one we had rated the highest of his two was the drink spotter XL Where it's around the world that la la la la goes around the world just la la la la That one we had the rate is higher, but actually the video that maybe that probably made me laugh the hardest is the Masonics Jim testimonials Featuring Parker Calvin and Larry and the part with Larry. I the first time I watched that I was just dying

Laughing he's like this motherfucker Change my life. Yeah, there's one part of there where, you know, he's cutting to just several things people are saying. It goes by really quickly, but Cal goes, we used to shit on the floor. I didn't even pick that up. I was like, you used to shit on the floor. That was a little bit good, then I forgot about that. Yeah, and then just seeing them laugh, like the clips of like, there's no audio, just them laughing.

I also had to, I just like the situation of Anthony convincing those people to sit down and do this as, even though it probably took them 10 seconds each, just to be like, hey, you need to sit and record this so I can say this, so I can record it. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall during that part of it. But, do we need any more further ado?

Maybe we should hit them with some intro music or something, some ooh-ah-ah. Oh, I got something for you actually. I got a little something I've been saving actually just for such an occasion. got a little something I've been saving actually just for such an occasion. Now that is a great way to intro an award. I've not heard that in a very long time. How about that?

That's good. That's really good. That's my new thing to All right, so We both rated this higher than either of us rated any other video that was submitted it was The most also not the reason we rated the, but it was also the most viral video of anyone submitted. It was, here's what I'd say about some of these submissions. Some are really good ideas that were harder to execute.

Some, maybe the idea wasn't quite the S tier, but they executed things pretty well. What this did was mix together a really good idea with like flawless execution. It did it all perfect. You couldn't have changed anything. It was perfect. We've commented it would have been harder

with a team of people to make it better. I don't think you would have because you would have had too many ideas going around. And that was the beauty of it is it was just so, so simple and perfect Yeah, so with just one more introduction Can you hear that like It's like I'm just hitting play on Spotify

Hit my Monday morning playlist that it's just got me going Big Kevin everyone knows by now that's listening along. There's no secrets here big Kevin's video of The drink spotter saves his life when he's trying to end it all after his wife Didn't think his borad impersonation was funny. He Loads up five plates on the bench press, removes the safeties, uh, on racks and out of the, out of the rack. And the part that gets me the most in this video, a lot of things are funny about it.

The part that gets me is when he changes his grip to a suicide grip and it shows the thumbs going on the outside like so deliberately. It's so funny because the bar just had 500 on it and while he's doing it the bar moves up when his thumbs are going. The deliberate thumb move I thought was hilarious and it drops. Okay, the second part that makes it for me it drops His eyes are close his eyes It fades to black and he opens it up into his face, and he opens his eyes, and he's like what happened?

And the drinks butter there is there it goes to the text of the drinks father's of the drinks father saves lives Yes Really good video. I mean, quite honestly, he kind of made that easy, easy to pick as the winner. Like, I mean, I couldn't have lived with myself had we not chosen that one, honestly. It was so good. We were actually talking about this

and we're saying what makes it so perfect is just every, every, dumb as this sounds, and like it's getting too analytical, every single shot just furthers the story in a way you're like, I gotta see what's next. The next cut, I gotta, there's no like, okay, yeah, he's setting the scene, yep, he's still setting the scene,

okay, unnecessary dialogue. It was like, no, every single shot was absolutely essential to that and just made the story even, it's like you're climbing a ladder and each step just He's no I'm seeing more and more and it's getting better better And then at the end like it is just such a great payoff and the music was great The concept where it starts of when your wife doesn't laugh at your Borat impression

It starts on just a great premise and the joke the whole thing is perfect Yeah It was a very very well done video. I don't know what else more I could say about it other than it. That's it's one of the ones when you watch it. Because of those things you said you never want like I want that one to actually be longer because I'm like I want more of these. This is your next like does this guy have a page with a bunch of this on it?

Yes. Yes. Okay, so congratulations to everyone that competed, right? Yeah, like always, it was a lot of fun going back and watching all these. They're all highly entertaining. Yeah, so thank you. We mentioned some winners, but I think honestly,

if I think about it even harder, who's the real winners here? The friends we made along the way, right? Exactly. It really was the friends and the drinks. It was the friends we made along the way and the drinks we saved along the way. That was the real winner of this drink spotter contest.

So, just to remind, Big Rory Ellis, that would be a check on his Hall of Fame card, contest winner, add that to your Mathsonomics resume. Big Kevin, I'm not sure if you were a contest winner, you may already have been, possibly, if not, you are now. But I'm wondering if his streaking video, maybe that won a contest one time.

That might have, that was definitely at the top if it wasn't a winner that time. Yeah, well, he's a grand prize winner now so no one can take that away from you except us if we decided to retroactively take that away from you because of technicality or behavior See if you don't pass random you saw to our you've random you saw the drug test later We we will strip you of that and give it to or you've random you saw the drug test later, we will strip you of that and give it to next on the list.

Yep, it is Arnold weekend this weekend, so just be careful out there, stay safe out there. Yeah, stay safe everyone. You guys wanna hear a little supporting our supporting members? Oh yeah! Maybe that should be the intro every week for supporting our supporting members.

That's funny, I was listening to, I was listening to pull clips of last week's episode. So I was listening to part of it and it got to the end where the guest comes off. And of course you play the cool beans buttons like we always do. And it just hit me how it's funny to me that it's just like a given that we play that after the guest gets off every time. But if you like were new to the podcast, like, what is that? They just like brought like they didn't even ignore like why would they get

comes out of nowhere things. You say see you later. And that comes on instantly. Like why is out there and we don't we don't really basically you know, we we say like, Oh, yeah, you got those, whatever, some themed cool beans, and then we just move on from it instantly. There's no context as to why that's going on. You had heard us do that 200 times,

you'd like to listen from the inception of Cool Beans, you'd be like, fuck just happened here. Also, what was that? Speaking of pulling clips, I really liked the one where you're like, it was like review of the Un? I really like the one like It was like review of the unpaid underrated podcast who the fuck listens the podcast like that and it cuts So supporting our supporting members if anyone's unclear this is actually a relatively new segment to the podcast, relatively speaking. It's where we give back to those that give to us other than just giving them prizes for contests

and that sort of thing. We also, wait a second, are both these guys gonna be, are those guys both gonna be at the Arnold? I could just bring their drink spotters. Well, I'm assuming Kevin is, right? Probably not Rory, though, I suppose. I don't know. I don't know, maybe he is.

I actually have no, I have literally no idea. Just a thought, but. Well, we'll just bring it anyways and give it to someone else if they ask for it. Yeah, if he's not there, he must be present to claim prize. That was the fine print. You have to be at the Arnold to claim your award. But supporting our supporting members where we give back to those that are doing cool

stuff that we pick up on that we noticed. Uh, one of those big Robert won the 220 pound hero division at Odin's trials in Madison, Wisconsin, including an 835 pound trap bar deadlift PR in the competition. 235 pound trap bar deadlift PR in the competition. Ooh. Big Trent won the Air and Space Achievement Medal in recognition for his service related to Air Force One. Oh, hot damn. So I can get to stompin' in my Air Force One.

Wait, are we talking about the footwear here or the airplane? I think the aeroplane. Okay. Did Nellie awarded to him though. Yeah There's some country grammar involved if I remember correctly Big less last week. We talked about a perfect little sweeties YouTube channel this week I want to highlight another crew members YouTube channel go to Big Jake the snakesakes YouTube channel.

Is it, I subbed, but is it, what is it? Is it Haydn? That was Haydn strength, wasn't it? Okay, so that's H-E-I-D-E-N strength. It's his YouTube channel. One video so far. So him and Perfect Little Sweeties are gonna have a competition to see who can keep it rolling

most consistently the longest. But we want everyone to go sub to both of them and drop them a comment. Also, Jake has been hitting some monster lifts. Oh my God, yeah, that's actually worth mentioning. He almost did a 405 pound split jerk axle. That's so crazy. That is so much weight.

Yeah. And when I say almost got that he did get a 385 before that. Which is a lot. Yeah, I mean, I don't like deadlifting that much weight. Yeah, four bills on the split jerk. Big Paul finished second place in his strongman class at Los Campiones in Sioux Falls, a place we've been, we know a thing or two about. I see Big Bryce was in attendance, Big Colton was there judging. I hope that there was some, what's that called, like when family members treat each other

more favorably. Oh, some nepotism? Yeah, I hope there was nepotism involved, that Colton was giving other more favorably. Oh, some nepotism? Yeah, I hope there was nepotism involved that Colton was giving Paul extra favorable calls on the judging. I hope so, yeah. I really did want to make it.

Unfortunately, my wife did have to work this weekend and taking both of my kids there seemed like a real, real roll the dice. Real fun. Fortunately, I didn't make it to that one. And last but not least, big dev is on a weight loss journey. And he checked in that he's so far lost 45 pounds on a weight loss journey. So awesome work. It's I don't know if he used use

it or not. But if you're on a weight loss journey or a weight gain journey, or just want to know what you're up to as far as What you're eating check out macro factor right Tommy. How's macro factor going? Don't great. I still um actually my rule for myself is like this Arnold I'm not gonna worry about it because there's just enough other things But I still track every meal with the exception of if we're headed out of town doing crazy stuff for just on a weird schedule but otherwise everything's tracked in. It's, it's, now at this point, kind of hard to imagine my life not using it, to be honest.

It's become so part of my routine. And how much is macro factor for a year? Is it like $50 or something like that? It's what you do. You buy a year, because if you buy a month, it's like 20 bucks a month. If you buy three months, it's like 45 bucks a month if you buy three months, it's like 45 bucks you buy a whole year. I think it's like 70. I want to say it's like five bucks a month

Yeah, it works out too. So do that use code mass and I'm just use code mass and omics. There's been a ton of people Since the first time we talked about it that I've got on it. I think I think pretty much everyone would tell you that That has used it for any amount of time since we started talking about it that, oh yeah, this was actually well worth my time and effort to go with. And if you sign up for a year, you don't have to use it for a year, but I think you'd be really surprised

if you signed up for a year and just stuck with it for a couple months, like what you learned about your eating habits and just some really easy changes that you can make to make things better. Also, Big Curt Locker, he had a video talking about his macro factor journey.

And I really liked, it was like a week or two ago. Shout out, crew. And he had mentioned, he's like, and of course, anyone that's familiar with massonomics, they had mentioned macro factor, so I signed up after that. And so it was interesting to hear, it sounded like we were the inspiration to get him going. And I think he said he lost, I'm forgetting now,

I think he said he lost 20 pounds and all of his lifts have stayed the same. And Kurt's looking strong right now too. Yeah, one of these days we're gonna inspire me to get a show back. I know, the final holdout. Yeah, we're gonna even, we're gonna talk about it so much that we're gonna talk myself into it.

I have been on a bit of a bulk, so I could be using it right now to help my bulk. I'm getting pretty damn close to 220 now again. Oh, so you're bulking. Little bit, little bit. I'm not trying, I was forever on that 210, 212 mark, and now I'm like, no, I need to be at least 217, 217 to 222, like that five pound window is where I need to be

I think yeah, so are you are kind of at that right now though. Yeah, I think I'm right where I need to be Okay Speaking of where people need to be should we kick all these? Looky-loos out of here so we can You know just let our hair down a little bit. Yeah, relax a little talk about all the big secret plans. While you're doing that. I'm going to mention juggernaut AI since we were just kind of talking about our diet nutrition, what we're doing in that arena also talk about our

training arena juggernaut AI it's a program Tommy's been using for quite a while smashing PRS actually routinely Several members of massonomics Jim use it all mentioned big Adam. I mentioned him before He never power lifted never done strong man. He's not really even interested in competing I have a feeling he's not particularly interested in competing in any of those at any time You know, maybe that changes in some point in time I was like Adam Adam or um, he used to work at Northern. Oh, no, not not not Here you got him. No, not that not bowling Adam. Okay But he's been he's been using it and doing the juggernaut power building and really liking it and it's

and doing the juggernaut power building and really liking it. And it's maybe someone that he's come to the gym on and off and on for at least a couple of years. But this has helped him stay like really accountable for the last couple of months where I'm like, oh, no, you're at the gym. You're just you are one of the guys at the gym now. Like, you're just not a guy see randomly see here. That's like kind of dick once every couple of months. I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot you're a months. I'm like, oh yeah that forgot you're a member

It's like no. No, you just a thing you do is go to the gym now That's cool And he said juggernaut AI is a big part of what's helped him do that So the other success story you were telling me about the other day is a big sergeant Anderson. That's really impressive It's just just again today. He's coming up in its peaking block now And he's actually going to and he's competing at the Lift Hardly VZ Classic, which after his peak block, I think it gives him 17 weeks to the Lift Hardly VZ Classic.

He is gonna test out of the peak block. He is gonna go through that, but he's not gonna do even like true 10s. He can do numbers in that peak that are above what he did as competition. So it's like, yeah, why do I need- But they're still leaving. Yeah, why do I need to do that here why do I we're just talking about here?

Yeah, we're just talking about his plan of attack now and I said, yeah I really like that idea because you can hit like open ours maybe second Yeah, maybe and they're all in there PRS for you and it won't crush you. So you're gonna still be really fresh starting off For what actually matters right what, what actually matters, exactly. So, cause he asked, what should I just skip? And I'm like, no, I think he should do it, but just do.

Yeah, just full send on. Right, right, exactly. So that's another success story. Ultimate success is using discount code massonomics on saving 10%. Okay. I've got a special game, Tommy. and saving 10%. OK. I've got a special game, Tommy. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you want to play a game? Oh, yeah. I actually was saving that noise for this game, so we are going to hear it again, because that was my intention. Well, if that's what it takes to play the game, then yeah. If that's what comes with it, I'm down for a game any time.

So you can confirm you do actually want to play a brand new game never before played on Mastinomics. I actually came up with a new game and you're down. So here we go. So we're down. Here we go. All right. Raw, let's do this.

Raw. Oh, let's do this. Wow. Okay. So the name of the game is two white lights. It's the two white lights game. So the say, does this have anything to do with our friend, uh, Angelo Fortino and, uh, Steve DeNovi. Of course it doesn't.

Oh, we don't care about those guys We're just we're just taking that name and we're improving upon it. It's our name now better. We've taken out So that is now ours they OS royalties back royalties for their last No one was listening those I don't think This is a spin on a game that is similar to, maybe some people have heard of this, Two Truths and a Lie. So what I'm gonna do is read you three facts, and it is your job to tell me which of these two facts

get white lights, and which one you're giving the red light to. Wait, like is it, am I giving one a red light because it's not factual or just because I don't like it? Well, you're picking the lie. Okay. The lie gets the red light if you play it correctly. All right. And there's four rounds this week in two truths and a lie.

Okay. Round one, I'm gonna tell you the rounds. Round one, I'm going to tell you the rounds. Round one, powerlifting. Round two, heavy stuff. Round three, strongman. Round four, bonus round, massonomics lore. Oh, all right.

With round, we'll get to those when we get to them, but round one, powerlifting. Okay. First one, Ed Cohn once squatted 901 pounds at 220 pounds body weight. Okay. Fact two, Larry Wills has benched 690 pounds raw in competition.

Fact three, the deadlift bar was first introduced in the 1980s. Okay. was first introduced in the 1980s. Okay, I'm pretty sure the Ed Cohen one is true. Where it could be off, I'm pretty sure Ed is deadlifted, you said squatted, right? Squatted. I'm pretty sure he squatted 900 pounds. I guess the technicality would be,

was it the correct body weight? And I don't know Ed's lifts well enough to know what he did at what body weight, but I think know Ed's lifts well enough to know like what he did at what body weight but I think that one's probably true the Larry one I said six what 690. I didn't think he was that close to a 700 pound bench yeah I don't think that that one's true Larry a freak no doubt also very strong also can bench press a lot But that's like damn near a 700 pound bench press and I do not think he was in that club. That's a very exclusive club I don't know. It's like five guys maybe Maybe maybe a few more maybe ten, but I don't think he's one of the top ten benchers of all time

So that's why I think that that one is not true and the deadlift bar in the 80s If you were to tell me when to take a guess when the deadlift bar existed I would think in my head for sure a deadlift bar existed in the 90s Actually, you didn't specify what one I think we've done a lifting legends of the okie deadlift bar Yeah, and I want to say just because that was part of lifting legends that it was at least the 80s. So Yeah, I think the Larry the the Larry wheels benching six 90 something that is getting the red light for me. That does of course, you mean you got, you got one round one

correct. All right. Do we know what Larry's biggest bench is? He's bench 675. really. Yeah Wow, that's what I've got on six seventy five not six ninety God still But if you would have told me Larry's bench six hundred I'd say yeah I can see that mine my guess would have been like six twenty maybe at the most though six dad Larry's a freak. We're we're also gonna Operate under the assumption. I do have these facts correct. Some of them like 90 some percent sure I'm like

wasn't gonna put any more time researching but I'm mostly right. Someone may listen in and be like that wasn't correct. Which case fuck off I don't care. Yeah it's our game. Make the rules. Round two two heavy stuff Okay

Andre Milano chev totaled over 2,500 pounds raw with wraps number two Brian Shaw once ate 15,000 calories in a single day while preparing for world's strongest man ate 15,000 calories in a single day while preparing for World's Strongest Man. Number three, the heaviest dumbbell ever lifted in competition was 360 pounds. Okay, so heavy stuff. Yeah. When you say heaviest, like we could be talking like circus dumbbell or anything. Yeah, like circus dumbbell.

Yeah. Okay. What was the first one again? Right. Yeah, that's like the lift the circus dumbbell. Okay. Okay. What was the first one again? Yeah, that's like the lift the circus dumbbell. Okay. Okay What was the first Andre Milano chef totaled over? 2,500 pounds raw with wraps. Yeah I'm very certain in that because he did have the believe the all-time world record before Dan broke it at like 2606 or whatever it is now and Andre was 25 something so I'm quite certain on that one I don't think I'm missing on any technicalities there. Brian Shaw eating 15,000 calories in a day. That is a lot of calories but it does seem believable especially if he was doing it some part

of a YouTube video or something. So that one's very plausible still. And the last one was 365? 360. 360. That's really heavy. But it, I'm not up on my world records enough for strongman type stuff to really say. Yeah, for obscure strongman records. Yeah, I Could see this being something that if it was set though if this it really is the case I could see it being one of those rogue record breakers things at the Arnold or something where You know, they load up something ridiculously heavy like that and like dimitar or someone

like Dimitar or someone did it. Well, I think one year he was doing it. Wasn't he making it? I think actually we watched that one year. Yes, correct. At the Arnold, we definitely watched that. I'm not just fantasizing. I was actually there. No, that's the thing.

We were there together on the side stage, like front row of the side stage watching that. Right, yeah. That's the thing that happened. Like right after right after Martin I was trying to do like a sandborn squat something Yeah, I

Mean that's the ultimate twist of this game is we literally watch the always has been I've actually I'm like 5050 on those two right now. I'm really torn because part of me says, no, I did see that one, but 365 seems really, really heavy. I think I'm going to say 365 is too heavy. I think that that is the false one. Oh yeah. So what's the number? Hit me with it here.

What do we got? I'm getting 330. Okay. Is what I had. I can't promise that's accurate, but that is what I what the like I'm just picturing what Jake just did over his head. And then like, oh yeah, do it on one arm. The strongest man in the world do this with one arm?

I'm like, God, I don't know if one arm is better than this entire guy's body. Not quite, not quite. Okay, two for two. I'm liking your odds on most of these. Starting to think I didn't make these hard enough. Yeah, but I prefer, I prefer you getting them right anyways because I'm liking the button.

It's like, yeah, the record is actually 360. Yeah, that's Everything's off by like a couple pounds Okay round three strong man The heaviest Atlas stone lifted in competition ever is over 615 pounds. Okay, that seems very heavy to me, but continue.

Number two, no strong man has ever benched over 600 pounds raw. Well, okay, keep going, keep going. Before I start talking too much here. Number three, Eddie Hall has competed in an official powerlifting meet before. Okay. All right, that second one, Neil Strongman's ever benched over 600.

I'm pretty sure in our video with Kaz, he talks about how he had the bench press world record and all these other records. And I think he would have had definitely talked about stuff like that. I don't remember that. That's what makes me think that that one is true. There's been some strong man that has benched over 600. I don't know. Maybe someday when you see after Bjornsson bench press, 620 pounds,

you see guys like Junas of Vicus, then they deadlift 800 pounds. Exactly. But they're not the biggest guys that ever lived. One point in time there's and 20, 20 foot tall, a hundred feet tall, 5,000 feet tall. They're digging up the remains full history lesson of the world I Think signing out random heights of numb They're not even increasingly taller each time

2,000 feet tall 20 feet tall have you been working on their cousin? That's quite. It's gotten quite good. That's tall. Have you been working on your cousin? That's quite it's gotten quite good. That's just read the other ads as calves and be like an endorsement deal. All right. The heaviest stone being what was six? What would you say? Over 615 pounds weird phrasing, but that's the phrasing that I read so heavy though 615 I think it's possible, but that's really heavy. Okay. What was the last one?

Eddie Hall has competed in an official powerlifting meet. He probably has at some point I don't think that's crazy to think he just accidentally stumbled into one somewhere along the line I don't keep up with Eddie close enough to know for sure But I think I'm gonna say I mean we also watch the road record-breakers where Brian shot like chips the stone record by like five pounds every year to go like I Want to say at that time it was in like the low fives maybe Yeah, it seemed way too low and way too easy. We also did watch that in for in person, too Yeah, that's that's I'm saying I remember watching like sort of anti climactic

How easy that was like it right the world record should at least look kind of challenge I'll tell you that I don't know if this helps anything or not But I'm pretty sure the year we watched it Brian did five fifty five or something like that It was yeah, and he's doing like five pounds more than what it was before that That's still a hundred pound jump is pretty big. I'm just gonna go I'll go I'll go with Yeah. And he was doing like five pounds more than what it was before that. That's still a hundred pound jump is pretty big. I'm just going to go, I'll go, I'll go with the stone one is the fake one here. Oh, I'm in love.

Is it the Eddie one? No, the lie is the red light is no strong man has ever benched over 600 pounds. What? Okay, we're talking about power lifting meats or what cuz Kaz has no because the phrase was no you're confused because the phrase is no Strong man has ever benched over 600 pounds raw. Oh So maybe yeah, I was I didn't realize that yeah, that's your you're confused of like Yeah, I thought you're saying you just you were for you were thinking it was phrase opposite of yeah like the Until now right yeah, that's where I was confused. Okay, okay?

Yes, I still though the stone would have thrown me off though because that is okay, so is that recently on the side though? Yeah, Tom Stoltman got it at 630 pounds. Maybe that's inaccurate, but that's what it's uh, and I don't, I don't keep up very close on strong, but I can't really verify. I don't really remember that. I know he's done like 600 before. So that seems right. That is a heavy stone. Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. Last round is the mass synomics round and this round is courtesy of chat GPT because I did ask him to make one for massonomics because I'm a little too close to the subject matter so well you're gonna verify that these were factually correct though well they're very funny is why I left this one in there as the bonus round because I did

not edit these at all this is this is exactly as you will know the answer to this, I believe because we exist in all you know, it is about us. But I just loved what they did on this. And this is the order they put it in. And so your job is to find which one you're giving the red light to where there's two whites and a red here. So the first one, Big Grant once out benched Tommy in an official meet. Okay.

Yeah, I'm listening. Which I think that's so funny that the check. That's actually very weird that it's finding, because that's, well, I don't know, maybe we talked about it in a podcast. We probably had to have talked about it. There was a video, but I'm like, does it really have the context of watching a video

and comprehending what took place? Yeah. Okay, okay, keep going. It has to be in a transcript of a podcast. It must. Massonomics Gym is located in a town with under 10,000 people. Okay.

That actually doesn't even make sense okay now that I'm okay. We'll just I'll just finish this now, but here. We'll get to it Okay, Tanner once said shirts are overrated and immediately sold a new shirt design So your job is to decide what chat GPT is saying is false here because this is a bonus round. It's not in the Yeah, it's the 10,000 people one that one is false, but I'm trying to think of what it would be pulling the bench one makes sense I get I mean I get that like there is content out there about that Yeah, surprising, but I mean I get where it's finding that. I wonder if you're saying shirts are overrated. I'm trying to think of what scenario would be coming to that. Hanner once said shirts are overrated and immediately sold the new shirt design.

So I could see if it said hats. It's pulling from the hat joke somewhere, you know? Yeah, yeah. But shirts are over, do you know what it's referencing there? What it would be coming from with that? No. Okay. I think it's just context No, I keep coming back to the hat thing for why I would be thinking that and it's just mixing up pieces of apparel As far as like don't buy her don't buy her hats that whole joke, right? So you're going with the

That Aberdeen is bigger than 10,000 people The phrasing is mass. I'm Jim is located in a town with under 10,000 people Yeah, it is not it's not located in a town with under 10,000 people Right, but so I'll tell you it gives me a description of each one So the first one big grant one cell bench Tommy and official meet true Yeah, but let's not talk about it. Lol Massanam extreme is located in a town with under 10,000 people true Western Northeast is small but mighty That's exactly what's your northeast is small but mighty it's funny

that we've said it wrong so many times that it just has like more data points on what is not the name than what actually is right it doesn't even recognize the Aberdeen yeah Tanner once said shirts are overrated and immediately sold the new shirt design lie but it sounds believable doesn't it But it sounds believable doesn't it? Okay, it's just making that one up That was what I'm like kind of a believable So it was kind of getting you so chat GBT did not

Perfected the game, but they got it got the idea just some of those facts were a little off. Mm-hmm Overall, I'd say you passed. All right. Yeah, three out of four ain't bad It's what meatloaf said All right, two white lights game, what do you think that's good I like that No, I'd play it again. I do again podcast What'd you have about reddit? Oh, okay. So I am a long time Reddit lurker, basically check it daily, have almost checked it daily for I don't know, over 10 years now and I do not have an account, I've never made an account,

I don't really want a Reddit account, I just only read the stuff and I have a few threads that I check through on things You know check out the front page a little bit here and there. It's a page of the internet, right? that's what they say that is what they say and In more recent More recent year more recent months. I've started to check out the home gym Thread on reddit. It's a little Boring and the fact that like nine out of ten pulse or just here's a photo of my gym

so if you're looking for gym photos like there's some and to varying degrees of Interests some a lot of them are kind of lame, but it's not much, but it's mine. What can I say, right? But what what's been really interesting to me lately? Is I mean, I bet you could pull up Reddit right now and the home gym, the home gym Reddit, and you will see multiple photos of gyms and it is not unusual at all to see Mastinomics, I just take it for granted,

but it's not unusual to see Mastinomics banners in the background of people's gyms all of the time. And whether it's lift banners or bench banners or one of our flags, everyone I first started looking at was kind of weird. Like, oh man, these people got our stuff. And now I'm like, well, of course they got our stuff. We've been around forever.

We're in this- We send out a ton of flags and banners. Someone's, they have to be somewhere. We're in this market. We actually now market so directly, make so much content revolving around home gym stuff that it makes sense. But initially it did catch me off guard

how much of that I did see. And then just yesterday, there was, I think two different posts that had pictures of people's home gyms and both of them had certified training facility flags in them, which I thought was really cool. And then yesterday there was another post that was talking about, I think it was something, here I thought was really cool. And then yesterday there was another post that was talking about I think it was something

Here I took a screenshot. Let me see if I actually took a screenshot of the title of the post What I got here it says No, I didn't get it something it was like gimmicks for your gym that actually you ended up liking a lot You know and people listening to spotter and someone does say the drink spotter gimmicky But one of the most used items in the gym I fucking love that thing drinks chalk bars remotes small children put them all the drink spotter and then the next person underneath it goes safety should never be an accident and supporting those two old son of bitches down there in South Dakota is worth the price of admission and

For the price of the light version you almost can't afford not to buy one and then someone underneath that a different person goes There's nothing gimmicky about drink safety. It's my first priority all the time and then so below that goes Should I upgrade my four post Aries 2.0 to a six post just to make more room for drink spotters? And it says if you can make it an eight post would be even better having multiple drink spotters Yeah, and he goes on and on and like oh man like this actual There's so many posts of like oh our kettlebell like, you know Just like whatever and then like this one and everyone was in on the joke And I think the thread went down so deep and people were clicking like ah, I see you're certified

Like you're a man of two like people were making comments on the certification stuff So but like that drink spotter thing there had to be people coming across that that don't like never. What is going on? And like these user names are this. And I click, like these guys do have those. It's like stack the coins, Scottsdale, under score garage gym in the motherland, Natty Vaughn, spice nips. I don't know. Those names really stick out to me. I'm sure they're probably, I probably, we probably know who they are. I just don't know that name for them. But it's always, it's just, is surprising

how often Mastinomic stuff does really feel like it appears all through the world. So did you come across that searching for Mastinomics or you came across that post? No, just checking, just checking the, I usually look at the Home Gym Discord, like, I don't know, once every couple days probably. And yeah, one of and yeah one of their

One of their gym read it. Oh, sorry. Sorry the home gym read it and one of their topics was gimmicky items And I'm like, oh actually like an original content idea. Like I'm curious what they have in here. Yeah Because that was the realization I was really coming to is that it is just all right I'll open it up right now the top ten pulse are all gonna be like here's my gym like just getting started Done for now and it's just like just different captions with a photo of a gym and what how does it compare to the Facebook group? Well, Facebook that's shine group is way more just just the Wild West it feels like as far as just the shit going on in there is all over

the place from like people way deep in the weeds on things to people that have no clue what they're even talking about at all. You know, there's a wide variety. The scope and breadth of the of the home gym Facebook group is just it's an impressive beast. Follow up on last week I this week again I'm going crew next sweatshirt a note Unhinged over there I just had to try so did you see there was people saying they do that all the time

Yeah, and someone was like I do it all the time with hoodies No, no, no, no, it's not how this works around here Kind of have the layers No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no is power lift, but they all have just like, just shades of the rules. You know, like there's very, there's not a ton that they agree on, you know, like when, okay, we look at the squat, some places tell you to start, some don't, depth is all over the board as far as what's acceptable and what's not acceptable.

You look at bench, some places you have, is all over the board as far as what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. You look at bench. Some places you have, I don't, does IPF make you have your thumb around it or am I just making that up? That seems like it could be a rule. I'm not sure though. Some feds have bench depth rules on your elbows and some you can't keep your head on,

some you can keep your head off. Like there's things like that and Heels on the floor. Yeah heels on the floor. Yes heels on the floor is one and Deadlifting you go to dead lifting and some have a deadlift bar. Some don't have a deadlift bar some I Don't know There's a lot of there's a lot of like random rules that just depending on what fed you're in you kind of know It's sort of this amount of rules what it like there's shades of them. But there's one thing that actually does surprise me that power lifting keeps consistent across the board on everything.

And that is that everyone is in agreement that the order of squat bench deadlift, right? No one, no one debates or changes that one ever. Do they? Um, no, I don't think so. Like that is as far as power lifting goes as rudimental as basic, like you don't break that rule, you know, whether, whether you want to do all the other stuff, you can do whatever, but everyone seems to be in full agreement that squat bench

deadlift is the order. And that was kind of surprising to me for whatever reason. I don't know why that is. I mean, we've, we've made rules on how long the weigh-ins can be and the equipment and you know how you interact with all the things and how you interact with the refs or how they give you commands but squat bench deadlift everyone seems to be in agreement there. I was trying to think if they're because I was gonna say oh, here's another one that's like that and then I'm like wait it's not universally true. I was gonna say everyone's also in agreement that it's everyone gets three attempts on each lift.

But some federations where it's like, no, you actually get a fourth attempt. So then I'm like, that's not universally agreed then because you're thrown in a fourth attempt. That's different. It is. You know, the maybe and then I'm like, they do. We do. They do use the round system like because it used to be a rising bar. I think everyone does use the round system. I think so there, too. Adopt too. It's not even really a rule. They might be, everyone might, and I know that,

like yeah, there are still consistency in the rules, but is everyone in agreement that you can't have the thing on your thumb? Is that one a universal one too for benching? No, I bet there's some federations where they don't care. It just seems like, so there's gotta be one out there that's like. Yeah, there's some federations that don't care. No, like that doesn't do anything.

Of course you can leave that on there. Even if it's in the rule books, they're like not gonna ever call someone for that. They're like, no, we're not, we're gonna use common sense. Who will be our guiding light on this one? And we do not care if that thumb loop is on your thumb. Yeah, but as far as like, that is a pretty big one that this is the

If it not being that way, no, cuz if it isn't it's not a power lifting meat, right? You know it's some other thing. I mean is there any different order that would make sense? Well, but also why does that order make sense though? Like why is that? The what I would say that makes sense is that not have squat deadlift back-to-back correct So in order to do that, they have to be the bookends and bench has to be the middle So the only thing you could say to change start the day with that would be would deadlift be first and squat be last Would that be any better or worse for any other than it just seems really really really weird? Used to oh and it seems totally backwards what if we ignore that do our

best to ignore that is there any benefits or pros or cons of reordering it that way where the deadlift would be first um see that is a really good question actually I think I mean I could make reasons but the reasons I'm coming up with are all just like supporting the status quo not they're Not necessarily right You know I'm saying one reason I would Suggest to support the status quo is just the equipment aspect of it for the people running the meat is that You have the squat stands out there

And then you have the bench stands out there and then you get to get rid all that shit and every meat that I've gone To they're kind of like putting that away Then you know like you're getting that equipment out of there in I've gone to they're kind of like putting that away then You know like you're getting that equipment out of there in a way so that you're halfway cleaned up before the thing is even over Yeah, it's a weird way like that. You're like, oh, that's how you decide how you do that What's the most convenient to like put shit away when it's over? I mean, I yeah I can see that reasoning I can also see like well, there is something about yeah at the end It's just you in the bar and nothing else

and you're just lifting it. You know what I mean? With the deadlift. Yeah, with the deadlift. Like that's the way to do it. But then part of me is like, well, but you know what's also kind of crazy is someone putting heavy weight on their back

and taking it down like this. I think that deadlift point you make is just what we think because it's what we see. That's what I'm saying. I think I'm just saying that because it's like, well, but that's how it's always been. Like if the squat was last thing, you'd be like, well, yeah, it's the ultimate lift. You put that weight on your back You know, it's either you're either getting it or it's taking you down, you know, it's and what is and then I don't know

Is there and it's also so dependent on if a lifter is You know a lot of lifters are either like real good squatters or real good death lifters and they might change their opinion Just based on like you listening might form a different opinion just because of the lift you care more about you're like, oh fuck Yeah, I love dead lifting because okay. Here's my thing. I like dead lifting. So I love ending with like yeah Let's get the squat over with we'll do some bench and then it's like yeah, we're freaking dead lifting You got a big deadlift you're going at the end and it's like hell yeah, but if you're the opposite where you're like, no I really like squatting and you're like dead lifting is meh,

you're probably like, yeah let's do the dead lift first and save the fun shit for the very end and everyone's cheering for the big squat. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of any, I would actually just like to know how did that order come to exist though. That would be the, how did that order come to exist though. Like that would be the, like who did that order first

and why did they do it that way? And the most amazing part as far as powerlifting goes where no one agrees on anything is that, no, no, we're actually, whoever came up with that, we're fine with it. That might be the only thing everyone's like, yep, we're just good from there on out, we're good. So there's not really any glaring advantage though

to making the deadlift first. I don't. I mean, is there any different, like is there any reason that it matters over one or the other though really? Like can you- That's what I'm saying. I don't think it, I mean, people that like to deadlift are gonna say, well, yeah, end with deadlift.

But also you could maybe say, well, if you like to deadlift, maybe you could go first so you'd have an even bigger deadlift because you're not tired from all the other stuff Right because that's another way to think about it, too The meat director angle I have a hard time I don't know maybe maybe the first person did it to meet was like yeah We're doing it this way because of the meat director thing But right the fact that everyone has somehow agreed with that is also surprising, because that's not typically how powerlifting works. Yeah.

Well, you know what I think it is? Huh? Someone came up with the saying a long time ago, and I think they always had to stick with it. You know what it is? The meat doesn't start until the bar hits the floor. The meat doesn't begin until the bar hits the floor. And if the bar hit the floor right away,

the saying wouldn't make any sense. Well, it'd be too literal. The meat's beginning, yeah, of course it's beginning. It's the start of the frigging meat. Like, yeah, obviously. The meat does not begin until the bar hits the floor. Although, the bar really shouldn't be touching the floor on another extreme. It's the weights that are hits the floor, although the bar really shouldn't be touching the floor on another extreme

Yeah, I'm just gonna see if Chad GBT can tell me maybe maybe there actually is it doesn't you know We did the fun part where we just wonder and try to hypothesize why this is the way it is okay now We'll just see how much time we said chat GPT will have like an answer, but you'll kind of read it and be like yeah I guess I mean that stuff all makes sense But what's the you know, what's the actual definitive reason before I put this in? I do gotta I do gotta say god I already forgot who sent it They sent me a thing because it was a couple episodes ago We were talking about car talk and they sent a clip from car talk in discord

And it was like a five-minute thing and I don't know if you ever was really good or not yeah I did and there was there was follow-up it was clicking clack yeah so they were talking about something and they couldn't remember like the well someone was asking for advice on something and the guy was like yeah yeah I'm not sure and then all of a sudden the other guy was like chipping in and they were both like going on and on multiple people that don't really know right and so then the follow-up so it like ends with like ohipping in and they were both like going on and on. There are multiple people that don't really know. Right, and so then the follow-up, so it like ends with like, oh okay,

they were just kind of like talking like bullshitting for a while and didn't really give an answer. And then the follow-up was a guy saying, last week I listened to you guys try to answer this question and for years I've wondered, who knows less about something? One person that doesn't know about it or two people that don't know about it?

And he's like, the way I heard you guys basically aimlessly rambling through this thing Thinking that you came to a conclusion at the end to realize actually had no clue what you're talking about made me realize that two People that don't know what they're talking about no way less than one person that doesn't know what they're talking about right because you like encourage each other Start to validate each other. I'm like, okay You're just like I don't know. I actually don't know and like that's it. Yeah, you know what ends there We probably have done that 1000. Oh, that's like I'm just thinking like well It's kind of what the show has been for the last 10 years

We literally do it every week talk about something We don't really know when get each other going like yep, you know what we are, right? We did figure it out. I got that reasoning is perfect We talked it we talked each other into thinking that we know about something. We don't know about problems solved all right Who So Chet Gbt's kind of give me first generic, the order squat first, then bench and deadlift last as long established standard because it's based on a combination

of historical precedent, safety and performance. I don't know why that order matters for safety. Right, it says athletes perform the squat when they're freshest because the squat is highly technical, the select team requires precise judging, it's like well, okay, but that shouldn't be a reason that you have to do it first. It is arguably more technical than the deadlift though,

I guess, like I could see you're fresher. So for safety, is it safer to squat first when you're fresh than squat first when you're fresh than squat last when you're most fatigued? But at a certain point, it's like really, is that the reason they came to that for that sport? Yeah, yeah. This says though that, okay, and then I say, why did it come up with this order? And it says, Oh, I know why. I actually know why.

There, there's an equipment, equipment apparel company out there with the name that they had to keep it this way because SBT existed and they're like oh we have to do it in squat bench deadlift because there's the company their whole brand message would be totally messed up if we dbs yeah it would be dragon ball see that's why that's exactly why for that for that comfort like we don't want their knee sleeves to be made obsolete overnight This does say though. I say why does it come up with that order and it says the sequence evolved naturally During the formative years of power lifting in the 50s and 60s early competitions often featuring a mix of odd lifts Gradually narrowed down to the three lifts. We know today

Organizers found that doing the squat first when athletes were freshest, bench second and deadlift last to minimize fatigue related risks worked best for the fairness, safety and judging. I still don't know. That says the standard was later solidified in the national competitions, such as those organized by York Barbell under the figures like Bob Hoffman.

But again, it doesn't answer why, why that people just stuck with that. I knew that that was going to be chat GPT's answer, you know, that it's just like, you're not going to disagree with anything it says, but you're also going to be like, Oh, give me your heart. You know, you're like, I want the answer. And it doesn't really have that necessarily. But it's hard to also for it to give a reason for like, why has everyone just been in agreement? Why did that one Fed that no one knows about change it. I would say I can't make a good enough I would want to be 51% confidence in order to switch it Mm-hmm, and I can't say I would have that confidence to switch to make the deadlift first

Yeah Yeah, I don't think it's broke, but it is just as far as foundational to what the actual sport is. It might, it might be the most thing that there is agreement on in the entire sport. Yeah. So maybe the title of this episode could be something like the one craziest rule in powerlifting. The one rule in powerlifting nobody breaks. Yeah, actually. And that is the truth. No one breaks that rule. Yeah.

No one goes out of order. Great. I only had to listen to an hour and 25 minutes till I got to the title of this podcast. I hated everything they said up until this point and didn't want to listen to a second of it. I was looking for some hard hitting facts. I have have those and all this banter and get to here. I Really? I was only gonna click to that spot view it at a timestamp

I would have listened to them talk about this for seven minutes, and then I would have shut this off Really, that's how you listen to a podcast. That's content, baby. It's how the world works Yeah, it's be real. You didn't have anything else to do with your time. That's true What else do we got this week anything? What's on the old list here? What's knee have I need I need an update on knee have we haven't talked about that for a long time oh Boy I Haven't talked about my knee have whatsoever on the podcast for a long time and that was intentional for a while

and now it's just been cut been because I haven't talked about it so long that I continue to not talk about it, but So, you know most of the story. Yeah, I'm trying to think even did we meant because things were going very bad for a while I don't and we never talked to that's why I wasn't talking about on the pile because it was going so poorly Oh, okay. So we talked about it offline. Okay, I couldn't remember if we addressed any of this You asked me about it. I'm like, yeah No Okay, so we talked about it offline. Okay, I couldn't remember if we addressed any of this on the podcast. Yeah, because you asked me about it, and I'm like, yeah, no. So here's, I'll try to keep this as short as possible,

which I don't always do a good job of, but had my knee surgery, the first 11 or 12 weeks, things were going well, really well. Just like the last knee surgery, right? Yeah, just right on track with the last one. Everything was going good, going to my physical therapy, everything going good.

Something happened right at the 12 week recovery Mark where, and by going good, I guess at the time, you know, going, how they should getting some balance back, you know, I still wasn't able to run. I was actually just starting to do like some little hops and it was, I was like going to be progressing and to be able to doing a little bit of jogging at soon. And like, maybe like some short box jumps and stuff like that. and it was I was like gonna be progressing and to be able to doing a little bit of jogging at soon and like maybe like some short box jumps and stuff like that and Continuing to do my dead lifting and squatting where I just add five pounds a week That sort of thing is all going as I was supposed to it doesn't feel I need didn't feel good

It felt like a frickin repaired knee that I was getting better and even now so then Something happened. There wasn't an acute incident. It wasn't like I slipped on the ice or it wasn't like I jumped and landed or fell. I wasn't on a fall.

I couldn't even pinpoint the exact moment in time. I could pinpoint within a couple of days where I just all of a sudden was like. Oh, what the frick is going on? Like I was this just a little before we went for left for California is that kind of when it was, it was right before

you came to Aberdeen when we filmed my home gym. Yeah. And the dumbbell rack. That's right. Yep. Yeah. Because like that day that we were here, like, I'm pretty sure the next day is when I called to get a doctor's point appointment because I'm like, no, something is way off here.

Like, so it was like three days prior to that, I just was like walking at work and I had like a really bad instability moment where I'm like my knee, like, uh, at terminal knee extension, just walking was like caving backwards. And I'm almost like, Whoa, like I almost fell over just because my knee lost so much stability and I'm like man I haven't had that feeling in like eight weeks or you know since I was just very first starting to be able to walk on it and stuff and I'm like wow and then it was just was like progressively getting worse to point where I'm like oh it's getting more painful I'm getting these weird really weird

swelling like exceptional swelling that I haven't had for a while and Really? The biggest thing is not really the pain that bad, but it's just my lack of stability I was all of a sudden not able to do The stuff that I'd been doing at physical therapy for weeks. I was like going and like balancing on my one leg I'm like I literally can no longer do this. I was just crushing this and it felt like it was getting better every week. And now I honestly felt like I regressed two months in my recovery process. I'm like, oh my God, what is going on? So I got a doctor's appointment and went in and he's like,

it's too early to be able to get another MRI because. Post op, it doesn't give you a clear picture. He didn't really want to. And I had a concern, a real concern that my ACL was essentially that it didn't hold. It didn't work that my ACL was torn again. And actually I'd talked myself into this a lot because I was just. Think, I mean, I couldn't walk anymore. It was getting it was getting noticeably worse. My limp was getting terrible and I just had was starting to hurt your limp was getting so yeah, cuz my limp was getting so bad and

He looked at it and looked at some things and they do they're testing their manual manipulation. He's like no, it's kind of and they do their testing, their manual manipulation. He's like, no, it's kind of, that's not what it's showing me. You know, it's not showing me that it's torn based on the way it's feeling and it's moving and its endpoints and stuff like that. I'm like, are you sure? Because that's what I think is going on.

And he said, no, go back to physical therapy, keep working on it. You know, the spiel is no two knee injuries are the exactly no teen to ACL recoveries are exactly the same So don't compare it to your other one. I'm like, okay, I get that but like I Know I'm saying this didn't happen last time but not in fairness not comparing it to the other one But like something's really weird, you know something's way off even regardless of the comparison to the other one and he's like Talked about that stuff. So I but I just went back at it and I had no confidence. I was like Something is not right and I was going through physical therapy and all this shit and it was just like almost getting worse at times

And like nope, something is way wrong here. I don't know what it is So I went back and I'm like you got to look at this. He's like, okay, something is way wrong here. I don't know what it is. So I went back and I'm like, you got to look at this. He's like, okay, let's do an MRI. So we do the MRI. I get the results the night before because I could log into like your hospital portal thing and I can look at them, which I did last time too. And I'm reading the report and I'm like, my ACL is not torn. There's some other stuff that I can't quite pinpoint on this report what's going on.

But I go into the doctor's appointment the next day and he's like yeah, your ACL actually looks awesome It's like way ahead of where we it has uh, I don't know if the right word is ligamentized like that might be the right word, but my graph was a Not a ligament. It was a tendon. They pulled out of my hamstring So once that goes in there it takes a while to actually turn into a ligament. It was a tendon. They pulled out of my hamstring So once that goes in there it takes a while to actually turn into a ligament again Yeah, we're excited as I did not realize that's how that worked, which is crazy, right, right? But my body had accepted it and is like it was like done It's like is is a ligament it did what it's supposed to faster than it

Oftentimes even does so he's like we feel really good about that There is was some other stuff going on like where they graphed they leave just a little bit of the old one and might have been something going on with that or Maybe like a meniscus root issue or basically it's not my ACL. It could be other things. They also Even to this day part of it could be its relatively rare, but sometimes with like athletes or people doing more active things, they can get their ACL torn

and they get it repaired. But even though, even with the ACL doing what it seems like it should be doing, they still don't regain the stability in their knee that someone's supposed to have. Oh really? Just because something else is off. And in which case they'll go in and, uh, as far as I understand it, they put an extra ligament on the outside of your knee that doesn't normally like a permanent

brace. Yeah. Like that is what it is because it's like your, yeah, your ACL is good, but your knee, it's not supporting your knee the way that it's supposed to still yeah So they'll add that extra extra ligament, so that's possibly something that people do at times, but Said keep going to physical therapy whatever hopefully it's getting better, and it is getting better now alright I'm getting backed. I wouldn't I don't know if I'm quite I'm almost back to where I was at like 11 or 12 weeks

Which is weird cuz That's right now Has that been like two months now almost a month? Yeah, I'm at like 17 weeks 18 weeks something like that now So you had like this six week detour kind of yeah six week detour and it is Actually getting better like week to week. There's it's definitely weird. There is something Going on but there's it's hard to say just from a picture of the imaging and stuff and they can move it around Well, they're going on with everything going on But he's fairly confident and I do kind of believe him now that it's probably not something that's gonna require surgical intervention there are just literal bumps in the road that

you know that it to Kind of believe it more now, you know Not every every recovery is the same and they said ACL surgery in particular can be kind of fickle sometimes. And I'm just kind of like now I'm like, no, I do think it is just some bump in the road, some weird abnormality in my knee. And it's kind of getting through it, you know, is what I think is happening. Geez. Okay. So yeah, I think last time we talked about it was probably two, maybe three weeks ago.

And you're like, yeah, it's not the worst of we talked about was probably two maybe three weeks ago and you're like Yeah, it's not the worst of the worst but it didn't feel it sounded like at that time. You'd really turned a corner Yeah, so I'm more optimistic now. I what I would say over like this week in this last couple week I feel like I'm kind of rounding a corner again. Actually is the words I've been using in my head that I'm like, I feel like I'm kind of rounding a corner on this That's good You want to bring your best package of the Arnold because there's nothing that beats you down more than a week at the Arnold. That's that is true.

That is true. I do want to bring my, and one other thing I never mentioned about it. Talked about this from the Arnold years ago when I had it, I got gout one time. Well, when we went to our California trip, I got gout just before we left again. Yeah. And I'm like, ultimately that maybe had make been making my knee joint a little odd, too Because the first time we had it I had it like just in my ankle on my right foot Yeah, and it was debilitating when I got at that time this time. I had it in like six joints, but Like random six joints. It was like my left wrist, my right ankle a little

bit, my left toe and like a couple different knee to though. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, maybe it's kind of messing up my knee a little bit to this gout, a little gout episode. Gout is so stupid. And I still don't honestly totally get it. But yeah, I was like something you don't mess around with no So but that could have could have possibly you know we talked about that. I'm like do you think that has any effect? It's like oh, it's not impossible, but so that could have been something to but gout is Go to so lame do not get gout And have a bad time you're gonna have a you want to have a bad time get You're gonna have a, if you wanna have a bad time, get some, get some even just moderate gout. But great, and I hadn't been talking about it for a while

because I was kind of a Debbie Downer on it. So I'm like, yeah, I don't really like, I don't need to talk about this more to make myself like feel more like that. I get it. I'm kind of down on this I don't need to just sit around and talk about how down right at the pity party going Yeah, right like I don't want to do a pity party

I'll like to kind of ignore it for a while and see what happens and thankfully I do think it's good now and recovery is going good and my lifting is going better too, you know subsequently Like I did lifted 365 for three sets of ten today that was good I Last this last week. I squatted 195 for five sets of ten nice and The squat is weird It just doesn't it's there's no problem. There's no issue I mean, it's just is the recovery and like someone to watch me.

Wow, that looked really good. And I'm like. Yeah, there's a lot going on here. Yeah, that's what I that's a good those are that's a good way of putting it. There's like a lot going on here that doesn't represent in the video where I'm like, I'm like, yeah, it is for going. I would agree. It's going. Yeah, maybe things are OK, but more to it than that. I promise every second of every rep is a Challenge right, you know, I'm like that's

You know I'm increasing the weight in a way that I always want to be challenging in that you know Like I don't want to just if I go in one week and I'm like, well that was so Seven better up that next week 40 pounds. like, well, that was so that was nothing. Rp seven better up that next week. 40 pounds. Yeah. Right. Right. So that it's going like that should, but it is just a beotch.

The beotch of it. But I do feel like I'm rounding the corner and kind of like, man, I actually, this week I got, it's funny. He said, Oh, do a little trot. Can you try trotting? And I hadn't made that motion in over four months, and I'm like, um Show me what you mean by like I was like show me what you mean by trotting and then he did and I'm like, okay Yeah, and then it like took me like five seconds until I'm like, okay. Yeah, I guess I can do that

but there's literally like Probably be like someone that hasn't ran in 30 years. Yeah, go run a little bit. You'd be like Okay, that was the thing I have done before Yes So it's going good. That's good more. I was hoping that that was what you're gonna say cuz it had been Yeah a bit since we had mentioned it. We have a lot of big trips coming up, too So I was like having a Bum knee was not gonna make it make them better trips. No

The stickers are in for the Arnold sweet So if you came to the Arnold you definitely got one of these probably the Arnold bathroom Survivor sticker Every step is an adventure. Yep. We really upped the sticker this year. I think it's really good. I like it a lot. It's really a good one from last year. Okay. Anything else this week?

I think that's everything. We covered a lot of different stuff. We did. Covered so much, but at the same time, so little. It's the paradox of the, it's the Mastodon mix podcast paradox. The lifting podcast about new thing. Oh, well, maybe we can save this. You did get some exciting new items at the.

Oh, yeah. OK, I do just want to talk. We'll talk about one thing that the gym's got a bunch of new stuff, but I'll talk about one thing that the Jim's got a bunch of new stuff but I'll talk about one thing the Okay, well I got time for this and then we'll shut it down after this one the Nathan Hawley Thomas inch dumbbell replica that we got Or ordered these from the UK Nathan. All he is a big grip guy He makes a whole bunch of cool grip stuff like he has his Hawley blobs Which looked just like the half of a York roundhead thelly blobs which look just like the

half of a York roundhead the actual blobs that we have and that most people use except he just makes them it's not a broken dumbbell it's he makes quality and all this stuff is like top notch right really really nice yeah and actually big Brian in Aberdeen South Dakota such an odd the craziest part of the story is yeah, like there's some people that are already like, oh, Thomas inch dumbbell replicas. Oh, that's kind of weird.

Like who, who would have those? But yeah, before you, before you even bought them, you've got to test some out. Yeah, I've got to test them out because Brian, who we've done Highland games with before in Aberdeen and he, we've, he's our man on the inside at the post office Let's come up over the years on the podcast if you've listened closely, but he has He now has three Nathan Hawley Thomas inch dumbbell replicas because they make them in the real Thomas inch is like 172 pounds I think it's 78 kilograms by the real I say the replicas of the actual initial Thomas inch by the real I say the replicas of the actual initial Thomas inch

For any of that doesn't know the inch doesn't isn't a unit of measurement as it relates. Yeah, what is that? Like the guys think it's the guys name or something like that. We will have no clue what you're talking about Yeah, Thomas inch dumbbell is a dumbbell with a real big coke can diameter handle and then two big heavy Solid cast bells on the end of it and like the the actual one weighs 172 Three pounds whatever I mean when you Google it it like comes up it is that Stereotypical old-school strong man big looking dumb. Yeah like that. Yeah, and it's it's a grip Implement, you know, it's a it's a test of grip The test is to pick it up with one hand and if you can do that you can successfully lift it, you know pick it up to lockout would be

successfully list lifting an inch dumbbell and The full weight inch would be a very heavy dumbbell, you know, not a ton of people can do that you got to be pretty into grip or have a mat, you know be a Predisposition to just being really good at have huge hands, that sort of thing, and maybe you can do it. But Nathan Holley makes me these different increments. And Brian actually has a couple of them. He has three Nathan Holley ones. He has a Slater one, a different brand.

And then he had a third brand, I think, is like Gods of Grip or something like that. So I got to go try them all. And I'm like, oh. Crazy that this guy in Aberdeen has all of these. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm like, these Nathan Holly ones are really nice. Like we're so that went down to you out of all of them as being

Yeah, they're, they're, they're awesome. They look, I just really like the look of them. And I messaged Nathan Holly on Instagram, and he was really responsive and you know, good dude. I'd give him a good dude for sure. And, uh, Brian wanted to order another one. So I'm like, Oh, we'll order these together. Cause Brian already had the 64 kilo. That's what I got for the gym is a 64 kilo. Brian wanted the next one up. So is that like a hundred kilo 40? Yeah. Man, I think mine actually weighs in at 65 kilos, so it's 143 pounds.

Okay. Yep. And you said the real deal. What's the real deal? I think 178 kilo. Okay. It's like 170 something. Yeah.

So Brian wanted the 70 and I got this one and they get shipped from the UK, so they're not and they weigh 150 pounds each, so they're not and they weigh 150 pounds each so they're not inexpensive to ship so we ordered together so we could save a little bit on shipping at that point you could afford not to order we couldn't afford not to shipping at such a discount there so I got the 64 and I didn't even know if I could do it for sure or not because Brian had the 64 in his gym he also had a lighter like he also had the 60 and I could do the 60 but is in his on heated gym kind of without really warming up the 64.

I'm like, Oh, that was kind of hard. I could like lift it off the ground, but it was, you know, I'm like, I don't know if I can really do this, but now we have it and I could, you know, I can do it. I can do it for a few reps on each hand. You know, I can pick it up every single time that I try pretty much so now you know I get one is what you're saying well and so the other thing I wanted to see how a bunch of the guys at the gym that like that sort of stuff or like messing with it how do they do if no one could pick it up right like I'll

get the one lighter yep if everyone can pick it up I have justification for a heavy one if and So here's the thing Your brother Ryan picked it up I can pick it up I saw a big Jay pick it up big Haas is a new guy can pick it up Tom can pick it up Caden can pick it up Austin I like the fact that everyone you've named so far is like like six to 260 plus pounds. That's what I was gonna say I

Believe and some guys haven't been able to pick it up like sergeant Anderson. I today couldn't which is a little bit trying I know like Ryan strong Yeah, and Larry strong obviously Larry couldn't get it either? Larry couldn't get it. Really? Oh, wow. And I do think it wouldn't have to be this way because we're a bunch of people that don't really train grip that much. We're just people that are strong in the gym. But I think I'm the lightest person that's picked it up.

Really? You know, I'm technically, quote unquote, the smallest person that's picked it up. Because everyone that I've seen pick it up. Is over 250 for sure. Most of them are like 300 pounds or more. Close, yeah, closer to 300. With enormous hands.

Yeah. You know, Ryan and I would, your brother and I would be the smallest people that I've seen pick it up. And Ryan's like 6'3", like 260, 270. Yeah. Yeah. Like in a few circles, would you be like, oh, that guy's kind of small? It, it's right the smallest one to pick it up. Oh big Jay the guy that can bench 500 pounds picks it up

Oh crazy, and also he did it today when I was there and I was never noticed before he's like Oh, I do have pretty big hands. I'm like, holy shit, dude Like you can't even like I can manipulate my hand whether I pick it up to the front or the back or anything like that And I'm like you just have to put your hand in there because it's on the front and the back at the same time So I do think You know you can obviously train grip and get way better at it. Mm-hmm You know training at it you're gonna get you're gonna improve you're gonna get better But there is a component to that almost unlike even the other strength training disciplines where I'm like you are just predisposed

To being and it makes sense. I mean if you have if you can if you have a couple more inches To wrap on that thing You're playing a different game. You really are Everyone likes it though. There is an element of this thing when you walk in and see it. It's a cool factor. What is that? So where is it sitting at? Where is this at? It's underneath one of those little side dumbbell racks with all of the blobs. So to the right is that so it's right where all the grip stuff is actually like all the

all the grip trainers are on the wall there and then the blobs are on the floor and it's right next to the blobs But so now I want a heavier one now. I want the 70 kilo. Okay, so you said what you got the 64 kilo I got the 64. Yeah, I'm just looking here. He makes them up to 120 Could anyone lift that? I don't know maybe Brian Shaw or something Yeah, I'm not even sure though, you know, that's like almost yeah that would be wild All right, but 70 so 70 is the right jump six more kilos. That's enough

The next one after that is is the 70 I think yeah one and I'm like that Well, I actually don't know that I will ever be able to do that. Right. That is a lot though. That's. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not positive. I can do the 70. So if you get the 70 and there's like five guys that can do it, do you get the 78? Oh yeah. If I get the 70 and you will reward them with like just a couple of us drop off, I would get the big one then at some point too. Cause I just also want to see, I'm like, okay, who can,

that would be really crazy if there at some point because I just also want to see I'm like, okay who can that would be really? Crazy if there was some guys like multiple guys that could do it because there's some guys picking up this one like big J Picked this one up. Like he's just grabbing a 20 pound dumbbell. I Mean he said like oh it didn't feel too easy, but I'm like, you know watch them He like just tried it for the first time. He didn't even put shock on his hands. Oh really? It's a really casual He like just tried it for the first time. He didn't even put shock on his hands. Oh, really? So it really was casual. Yeah, I mean, he was trying, but I'm like, yeah. He wasn't making a big ordeal about it.

He wasn't chalking up and going through all. I already know he can pick up the, like if I'd be, he might have to try hard to pick up the 70, but I'm pretty sure he could do it. But I'm actually just curious to see where people drop off at. When it comes to grip stuff though, like 12, 13 pounds. Oh yeah, it's enough weight., that is the difference between being really easy

and just not even moving something too though. And you could just throw magnetic weights on each side of this. You know, you could train. There's things people do to train it. Yeah, so you don't have to buy every step, yeah. Right, right. But I also just love the way it looks now after seeing it.

And I'm like, yeah, I want more of these because that is the way that looks now after seeing it. And I'm like, yeah, I want more of these because that is the way that Mastinomics Gym is where we're gotten to the point where I'm like, I just want freakishly cool things that people are like, whoa, what is that? I mean, they are cool looking at pictures here. That is a cool thing to have in the gym

because you don't see these ever. You also, it is almost unresistible to go try it though too like you can't almost can't just call it it is impossible to not want to try it like I'm not saying you go would want to go try it every single day but I think it I was also thinking it might be a fun thing where I make a little sign above where it goes and I say anyone just joining the gym if you can pick this up you get one month free membership you know sort of thing. Or it's a little test, like,

every time there's a new member, bring them over there and be like, and if you pick this up, you get your first month free. Yeah, that would be cool. And then also just to see the people that just do pick it up, like Big Hoss, he just joined the gym a couple months ago, but he's like six,3 30, you know, of course he is never really

lifted before, but he's absolutely enormous. And he could just pick this thing up without trying. Didn't see also does construction for a living too. So he works with Larry. Yeah, well, of course, it works with Larry. Yeah, I'm gonna say more there. bastard. So come to Mastinomics gym and try the new Thomas inch Nathan Holly replica dumbbell probably soon to be more of them I can't wait. All right. Well, if you get two of them that at that point I think we for sure have to make a video about it, right?

Yeah, I wonder what the appeal if what the level of appeal is not all you know, like is there yeah, is there an angle Well, there's kind of the grip angle, but it definitely doesn't have the mass appeal because already a lot of people don't even know what the hell we're talking about in the first place. But a lot of people that do powerlifting are like, what are you? What is that? You know, that are in letter like even compete. A lot of people that even compete in a very close

strength sport would be like, I don't really know what that is. I love it, though. I think it looks pretty badass. They do look really cool. Yeah, I'm excited to see this again in person. All right, make sure to go, leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts. We actually have been getting more of those. Soon I'm gonna start, we'll push that

because I think we're gonna be on the road to 600 of those soon. That is actually coming, that is that is seriously going to happen soon. So do leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts so we can bump those numbers up. Biggest thing is becoming a supporting member. If you're a listener, if you listen to this whole episode, you listen to other multiple episodes and you kind of like it. We'd love to have you become a supporting member.

It's the number one way you can. Do something to help us that helps us keep the show going for as long as possible. So massomics.com slash join, that's where you can do it out. And then buy something from our from our website, we're going to be we're gone for the Arnold, the stock is a little bit more limited online, but there's still some things you can buy there. We left some stuff in the fulfillment center. So check it out. purchase something purchase a Drake spot or a hat

a shirt a pair of shorts, anything like that at all helps us out. Every, every order makes my knee feel just a little bit better. So I think it's the orders that really you can save Tanner's knee. Yeah, and then the YouTube channel is our other big thing. So our most recent video was the pull up video, the pull up tutorial video with Marissa Indah. And our upcoming video that'll be out by the time this comes out is garage gym tour in Temecula, California with a big crew member, Andrew Garrison,

a very cool home gym setup that he's got in his garage that you're not going to want to miss. We love some pieces of equipment that he had there. And we hated a thing or two. You know, Andrew and I there, there was something in there that Andrew didn't like and I didn't like the dust. Yeah. Yeah. So he had to get rid of something even I think there's there's almost everything he had there was really cool, but he did have a teaser one piece of gym equipment that he and I did not care for. So we ran it through the dirt. Didn't pass the test. So please make sure you're subscribed to our YouTube channel and watch the videos and leave a comment. Leave a comment on this YouTube video, please too. Let us know what's one rule about powerlifting you would change

Yeah, or if anything the SP there's any major rules that everyone does the same Right, I'm not counting things all everyone. Everyone says you got to keep your butt on. Okay. Well, it's like part of just doing the lift You know, well, it's like part of just doing the lift, you know? Right, right. I'm right. Okay. That's the answer. I'm the right one here. Also, do we say who this episode's brought to you by?

Oh, we actually do need to mention that again. That's a great call. This episode's also brought to you by Texas Power Bars. Right now, for a limited time, you can get free shipping on all of their masterfully crafted bars. Anything from a Texas power bar to a Texas squat bar, a Texas deadlift bar, Texas crossbar, Texas bench bar, basically anything you can think of with Texas in front of it, they got it.

Free shipping can be a pretty significant discount depending on the bar anywhere from $40 to maybe even $60 or so so so take advantage of this deal today. It is the discount is applied directly in your cart, you don't got to worry about any coupon code. So throw it in there and get yourself one. Thank you, Texas Power Bars. This episode is also brought to you by our good friends over at the strength Co. Now, we won't do that.

I was I was thinking about pressing the strength Co button, but I'll just talk about the strength Co instead. Got a lot of different kinds of plates in Massanomics gym and ever growing list of different plates at Massanomics gym, but I've got to say the cleanest looking, the cleanest feeling, just the most user friendly, the most enjoyable to use have always still been the strength Co plates our friend over at grant at the strength go

They're smooth easy to grip rugged durable. They have a black e coat finish that lasts really well. We've But put them through the ringer for many years And if you just give them a little spit shine, they look basically as new as the The day they came out of the foundry So check them out at the strength Co. That's where you can buy their made in America Olympic plates veteran owned An operated company. They also have bumper plates barbells deadlift jacks deadlift mats collars Just a number of different pieces of equipment there you can buy at the strength go check them out at the strength go

Also head over to our affiliate links on our page our website. It's mass.com slash affiliates. Is that what it is? Yeah, I think so and we've got a whole bunch of links to a whole bunch of different companies if you buy anything from any Of those companies we in theory get something at some point you said it in Andrews gym tour at the end, you go, I don't know, you click the link, maybe we get money. We don't know how it works. Just make sure you do it. What I would say is we do sometimes get,

we do frequently now get money from these companies. Don't really know how or why it works, but it does work. So do check out our affiliate links. So hey, are you going to buy a pair of Pep pep and dumbbells click our link? Yes Bells gotta buy something from bells of steel click through our link for us the strength co obviously barefoot shoes and also all of our discount Codes are there. Yeah, so everyone also help us out can also save. Yeah, so Check out that any of the any and all of those Tommy where do they find you out? Find me at Tomahawk underscore D.

You can follow me at Tanner underscore bear. Just make sure to follow Mastinomics at Mastinomics.