Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 469: Kleva Calls Out Rogue: The Latest Home Gym Controversy

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

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I see that. I mean, I'm excited for this episode. There's just so much on the plate here. I don't even know. I was just looking at it earlier. I'm like, this is gonna be a pretty sweet episode. There's good Yeah, there might be some silly goose stuff happening on this one. So strap on in we're gonna take some wild turns on this one I think don't you I do believe so

Okay, is there anything special that you want to get to first or? Okay I'd mentioned this freestyle update. Everyone needs a a good freestyle update especially when we're talking the Ford Freestyle I was hoping and I was hoping this was the Ford freestyle I told you I have I've been on the lookout form in Sioux Falls, and I was saying they don't exist I come to Everdeen. I see two in like 30 minutes when I'm there the other day I saw two on my way home from my kids daycare and both of them What's the gold color called again?

Well, were they Pueblo gold Pueblo gold both of them and are you sure they were different? They were because we were heading opposite directions like they would have had to done a crazy You we and somehow got ahead of me I mean it was opposite ends of town too So it would be possible that the Pueblo gold Freestyle is a glitch in the matrix and I like it was like every time you see to Pueblo gold for free sales, it's actually that's when the Matrix is like, like, wait, calibrate, you say to Pueblo gold freestyle.

We got to get out of here. Did you you ran though the woman instead of the woman in the red dress simulation? It's the Pueblo gold for three solid. It's like I can sense that you're yeah that's what it was or like you know inception when he has a little spinny top and that tells him if he's a in his dream or like his totem yeah I think so I mean that would make sense if it wasn't called that but that's my that's my totem is the pebble That's how I know if I'm dreaming or alive

But not only did I see two of those I say is there kind of like a forest green kind of color too Do you know? There could be I know there's a blue and a red and a Pueblo But always catches me off guard is the vehicle is much bigger than I always think I yeah, I just From behind I'm like damn this thing is For a second. I think is this a lowered SUV or is it? You know, it's just hard to tell until I'm like right up on it and can confirm that it is in fact It's it's really it's its own animal. I think they broke the mold with that one

It's really it's its own animal. I think they broke the mold with that one Because it is quite tall it actually is just significantly long too because I we go through streaks where we have the third row up and the third row not Up and even actually with the third row up I mean it must cram some of the space like in that third row and second row there's even less but there's like just as much room behind the third row seat as you know conventionally a Tahoe or the smaller Expedition or a Yukon. Here's a quick search for ya.

The, I like when I Google Ford Freestyle length, Google returns the Ford Taurus X. I don't know if that was like a. Well they did change it to the Taurus after. Okay, so maybe that was the. Cause some, here's a thing though, you have to look closely if it's really a freestyle or not, because sometimes you'd be like,

oh, it's a Ford Freestyle, and it's like, nope, that's a Taurus, Taurus X actually, I think is the... Cause this says the 2009 Ford Taurus X length was 200 inches. And just for comparison, let's say, we have a 2020 Tahoe, our 2020 Tahoe, 204 inches, so the freestyle is only four inches shorter than a Tahoe. So it is a fairly, it's a pretty big vehicle.

And that's why they call it the freestyle. They were just freestyling it when they made that thing. So I am happy to report I have seen another three freestyles in the, made that thing so I'm happy to report. I have seen another Three freestyles in the land I get almost as excited to see a freestyle as I do for any like actual real exotic car in this town at this point Yeah I did get tricked though on the for the Taurus X though one day in the pick up school pickup line I'm like holy frig. It's a friggin freestyle right here with me. We're both here at school and I'm like Taurus X

Oh my god lame like the poser vehicle like oh, you could pony up for a freestyle So yeah, you had to get a Taurus X which is the same car only a little newer Some gatekeeping about the freestyle I'm gonna have some up a little gold on it some gatekeeping about the freestyle It's like everyone knows what a Taurus is nobody knows what a freestyle is It's like I was driving the weird Ford Suv mid-2000 SUV before they even called it a Taurus before all you guys are Station wagon yeah

So that's my freestyle update I Report back as I have more sightings I would like to I I hope to think we have a Ford freestyle update every week on the podcast for as long as possible We're lucky. Yeah, I haven't had much to update on it, but hopefully I Have I have driven the Ford Freestyle over a thousand miles since we've had it. Really? Yeah, and you know what I think every mile that racks up on it, I'm like, just another

mile not on my pickup. Yep. Just saving my 12-year-old pickup while the Reset Valley on it. I mean, what you should think is just another mile in pure luxury. Like, that's what you should be thinking. That is true. All right like that's what you should be thinking that is true All right, that's a freestyle. What about our what's in the can segment? Yeah, let's do this We both got this is a true legitimate. What's in the can segment. This was given to us at the Arnold Did I actually completely forgot who gave us to this to us until right now. I just had a thought was this from big Katie

Yeah, maybe because it is from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, okay had to have been then yeah And what's that I was trying to piece together where did the hell this come from? So what are we sipping on this? This is a central waters brewing co hop water Brewed and canned in Milwaukee, Wisconsin mmm non-alcoholic Hop water brewed and canned in Milwaukee, Wisconsin Mmm, not alcoholic nectar on and Citra hopped sparkling water Central waters brewing they have huck Finn's logo as their Pelican So pelican or crane. I think this one is a crane. Isn't it?

Yeah, they didn't doesn't have the large trouble by him the overly large bottom beak Yes, what a pelican put in that thing fish they can put anything you've seen put animals in those before Do they do that? There's videos on YouTube of them like swallowing up like a seagull and it's like flying around in that thing Yeah, it's wild. I wonder what the evolutionary reason is for the Enormous well, I think it's like it's like a fishnet. They just scoop things up. Okay. Yeah, that's if I had it Sit and then it sifts out and they maybe maybe they just drink all that water Well, let's see what we're they're really thirsty. That's just the thirstiest animal the thirstiest animal. It is shocking how much this just feels and tastes like a beer. An IPA at that. Yeah, but it is not. I'm just spilling on myself now because I'm laughing

at the idea of thinking of drinking like 10 of these in a day. Yeah, yeah. This is your preferred beverage. And I got water, I got hot water all over me now. One pint, I was just curious how many calories were in this. A pint's a pound the world around. Pounder. Contains less than half a percent alcohol by volume. Well, what do we think? Boy, these really are in a class of their own because.

My brain is telling me, all right, we're drinking now. Here we go. My body, my body is telling me my body is going to be telling me, no, we're not drinking now. I don't know. I don't mind that flavor. I and I and I like a good IPA. I don't know. I don't mind that flavor. I and I and I like a good IPA I'm not sure how to rate this because it really feels like you can't say that This is a this is a three and a half and then also give someone a three and a half sparkling water because they're so Drastically different. Yeah, it kind of really does belong on its own scale. I'd say for what it is

Just have so few hot waters to compare it again. So it's pretty good. No, it is pretty it is pretty good. You definitely would be hard to drink several of these at a time. Oh, no, I like never drinks. There's days I could put down multiple lime or lemon La Croix is almost back to back to back. But right. I don't know. I'm probably like around three three and a half on here. I Gotta say I like it more than I would suspect that I even would it's just such a trip for my brain that I'm not Drinking a high alcohol beverage right now or high alcohol beer. I'll go out and limb. I'll give it a three and a half. I

alcohol beer. I'll go out on a limb. I'll give it a three and a half. I think that's fair. Oh, special guest appearance this week. I haven't seen Bernie on the show for a while. Yeah, he's just got shaved. So now he's at the point where he's cold all the time. So he's constantly looking for a summer to cozy up

and he's decided that the couch back here is a great spot for it. Yeah, he just liked it. He wanted a little more airtime too. He likes the airtime too. Yeah, he's like, God, some of these newer listeners don't even know about me. I'll be the Easter egg for this week's episode.

For the viewers. Excellent can segment. I do also have a sack segment. Oh, partner with this. A lot of segments to burn through here. Yeah, I do not know who sent this, because I think they had it shipped directly from the people that sell it Unless I bought this a while ago, and I just don't even remember I actually completely forgot. Maybe I bought this I Don't think I did though. I think it got sent here

I am not even sure at this point if I bought it it was so long ago that I can't remember and I completely forgot That is ever even coming. That's why I think someone sent it Surprise you buy something you forget about it just shows up someday That's I really don't know but I do have a few of them here So I there's one with your name on it. Also whether I bought this or someone sent it to us. I'm not sure Let me know down in the comment section, did you send us this? Drop a comment down on YouTube, did you send us this?

I think you're gonna be pretty excited about this. Bumper stickers. Nice. I like those, that's good. Never forget the Edmund Fitzgerald, November 10th, 1975, big 50th year anniversary. Yep, it's one for the book, for the record books. I like the bumper sticker too,

just the bold simplicity of it. It's really, it's definitely a bumper sticker too. It's made for the elements, just like the Edmund Fitzgerald, not so much but in thought. Yeah so yeah I actually was trying to talk Jack and putting one of these on the freestyle. People just seem like yeah I mean that kind of makes sense. Never forget the Edmund Fitzgerald. Is that a 14 year old driving that? He's so cultured. He knows about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Is that a 14 year old driving that? He's so cultured.

He knows about the Edmund Fitzgerald. And he's driving a Ford Freestyle, not even a Taurus X? One of these is absolutely going on the Smith Machine. Oh yeah, that's great on the Smith Machine. The Smith Machine sticker project is coming right along. I would call out again if anyone's got any stickers of their gym or whatever and they want them on the Smith machine you just got to send them to me and The I'm on a mission to completely cover as Smith machine has anyone been surprising you with stickers or have you put every one of them on?

I've put them all on but some people have sent some in okay. I didn't know I've been any members were loading the thing I haven't seen that I don't know if people are people think that they have the liberty to do that I could I could see that yeah, you know I don't know although it certainly is not an exact science on how Just completely cover something yes I do love this though. I do really like this. That's a good one. Yeah.

Okay. That is our SAC segment and our CAN segment for this week. We are gonna get to our title topic in a little bit. I wondered if we should play, or do my new segment first though. Oh, yeah. You wanna do that now or before the title topic? Okay, so the segment is called,

we used to be a proper country. We used to be a proper country. Yep, exactly. The way I figure it's gonna work is I'm going to, I got a few things I'm gonna to read off and then we just, you know, if we feel like it makes you think like we used to be a proper country, then we just say like, we, we used to be a proper country. Okay. Like it's like things that might make you say we used to be a proper

country. Okay. Okay. And like, you just have to see if it passes the, we used to be a proper country test or not. Yep. All, I think I think I'm kind of following I think you know So this is the we used to be a proper freakin country Segment of the mathematics podcast and play along at home, you know if you hear would stop you from screaming. Yeah If you hear us say this stuff If you hear us say this stuff and it makes you also think that we used to be a proper country say it Drop a comment down below even you know Go down here in the YouTube section and leave us comment about how we used to be a proper friggin country

You can also maybe submit some of your other ideas of what you'd like to see in Future editions of we used to be a proper friggin country so first one disposable cameras and actual photos You know what I mean actual photos that you held in your hand and the people walking around with disposable cameras actual Actual photos getting a real photo in your hand. Disposable cameras were a real thing.

I feel like we probably hit peak. We were probably peak disposable camera. I don't know, maybe it was a little bit before us even. Yeah, we were at least in it. We were in the high end. I mean, even point and shoots for that, Matt. Well, we really rolled, we got to see the wave of Yeah, digital cameras everyone had there then.

Like in like middle school, high school, I remember people having disposable cameras all the time. And then like in college, it started to like go more into the point and shoot cameras. And then slowly into flip phones and then slowly to more and more intelligent phones as time went on. But dude, yeah, disposable cameras,

man, that was where it was at. It was, yeah, cameras man. That was where it was at. It was a that was Yeah, those are good and go go into Walmart or wherever and get your photos developed Oh, yeah, and I don't know actually I started to do a few later on as once Once people got out of that then I'm like, oh now I'm gonna get disposable cameras and I probably had I've probably went through a few in my early 20s, but and I probably, I've probably went through a few in my early 20s, but yeah, by that time, the ship had long since sailed on film cameras.

There was very few people doing that anymore. Anthony said in the live chat, those supporting members listening live, he said, what is a disposable camera? I don't know, he might be pulling our leg a little bit on that, I'm not sure. He is young enough that he wouldn't have to know Okay, he says I'm joking. Okay

Cuz you would still know like you would even like I get what you're saying You're young enough like you probably never really used one, but you would still know that I think I would think so but it'd be like if someone talked about like You know what? I don't know whatever the millimeter film is that people used to have home camera and like where you go like this I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I know I've never used it So, what do you think I mean yeah, we used to be a proper country We used to be a proper friggin country with photos in our hand and disposable cameras Yes Really makes you say we used to be a proper friggin country it does and disposable cameras. Yes, yes.

Really makes you say we used to be a proper frigging country. It does. Although the pictures everyone has are way better. Yeah, I mean the photos will be real, the photos all suck. But they had a feeling to them. Maybe the theme of we used to be a proper country is like what we have now is actually better. Yes, yes. But there was a certain rawness to those photos because no one knew if their

photos getting taken. You didn't really know what it was pointing at. You don't know if the flash was working right or if someone was just going to just turn into this white ghost or if you were going to see someone. Yeah. And Buzz brings up a good point in the live chat too. If it really makes you think you used to be a proper country, you might even throw in a say it louder for the people in the back Just to really emphasize drive that point home people know you're not messing around All right Here's another one how many do we got just so I'm just three this okay, okay three, okay?

I didn't know if this is a one thing or a five thing or okay three three. I three. Okay, okay I don't know if I want to spend the whole episode talking about how we used to be a proper Although I could from an interesting good Friggin could do it. All right Using cash to buy stuff dude walk into a store Buy something with a $20 bill I'll not be asked for your email your phone number or to round up for charity We used to be a proper frigging country.

Round up for charity, yeah, God. Get out your bi-fold and pull out a $20 bill and pay for something. I'll tell you what, man. Give me my change. I've had a little cash on hand lately, and as the years go on, I just, I know it doesn't matter, but it just makes me feel like more and more

of a high roller when I'm like Cash, please, you know, it's almost like not that long ago I feel like there's maybe a thing in Wayne's rule or something where they're like card, please Just like that was right, you know whipping out the card was like a sign of And now like no cash when the cash comes out. I feel like you know, I feel like you're rolling in it and Yeah cash is way underrated. It is crazy to me how many places are cashless. Right? Oh, like there's way too many. I get a little annoyed. I mean, although I use card for most things, it does annoy me

if I go to 99% of things in my life. But I do get a little bit of a principle. Like when I go to the Target Center and they're like, yeah, you can't use cash in this whole building. And I'm like, hmm, really? You can't use the legal tender? I just think you're just doing that because of our freaking country. You're just afraid of employees siphoning off an extra 20 here and there.

And this way, you know you're getting every single dollar that's made. That's all I can think of. But yeah, there is definitely something to be said that a lot of times, like in especially in situations like that, where it's like, Oh, just given the guy a 20 would make life a lot easier here. You give me a 20 you give me a five back for my $15 beer, we move on with life. Not this

whole, oh, do your card thing here. Oh, it didn't work. Hold on, let me check the ends like, come on, the lines moving here. So yes, we used to be a proper country. We used to be a proper friggin country. And then to be a proper freaking country. And then you don't have to let Visa get their greasy palms greased in the process or whoever else it is. Visa, Stripe, couple percent.

Yeah, the terminal, whatever, all those people. And then us, the consumers just pay in more because you know it's baked into the cost of goods. I don't know if you saw, but Visa made a few dollars last year too while they were swiping all of our money on each transaction. Yep.

So yeah, we used to be a proper country, right? We used to be a proper country. Although for the most part, using cards is nicer. With that being said, I use cards for 99% of my transactions, but I want options, damn it. Isn't all about at least the illusion of choice here. Here, this one's pretty, pretty actually significantly relevant to today's episode. Beer was cold, cheap.

It came in 30 racks, no notes of citrus with a hoppy finish just beer drinkable unapologetic beer It was just beer god Yeah, it's like gimme I know that shit with flavor in it What that can to be the closest to water. And if you're drinking the flavor of water that I don't like, your beer sucks. It's like, yeah, I love I'd love there's nothing more

than I love about people being elitist about Bud Light about their life. Like, yeah, Miller light Miller light Bush light. I'm like, dude, let's reveal here. It's all the same goddamn thing. Yeah, I don't know. I might draw the line on this. No notes of citrus with a hoppy finish. And like, while they're saying that, they're like, give me another one of those 4% beers, you know? Like, well, this one has like 9%, you know?

Yes. But I mean, they're just something to say and grabbing a beer and someone throws you an ice cold bush light. You just can expect that You know, they're not that made it feel No, it used to be a proper country and toss me a nice cold crispy one a 30-rat guys didn't get done working a 20 hours on the skyscraper and then crack open a case of white claws

You think Dale Earnhardt finished the Daytona 500 and said, grab me an a fresh squeeze IPA with extra bitters and whatever else bullshit in there. He said, give me a Budweiser. Yes. He said, give me a Budweiser. And while you're at it, he said, you know what? Give me one of those organic cigarettes that you light up with a lighter. None of this machine battery shit that you're pumping on the essence of strawberry smoke here. I want my cigarettes. I want real tobacco cigarettes. I wanna go outside.

You know what, screw it. No, I'm gonna smoke this inside because we used to be a proper country. And I'm not gonna worry about this vape flavor crap. And I'm going to use a Zippo lighter to light it. Yes, none of these zippo sealed butane lighters made out of plastic. So, yeah, that's we used to be a proper country.

I think hopefully everyone gets the idea. Yeah. Things that might make you say we used to be a proper country. I think hopefully everyone gets the idea. Yep. Things that might make you say we used to be a proper country. That all being said, I do like there to be a lot of different choices of beer now and I can go to the store and it's kind of fun to look around at all the different things and I might wanna try actually some of the different beers

even if it's not what I drink all the time. As long as it was brewed in either Colorado or, what's it, St. Louis. And I so that all being said, I like a whole bunch of different beer choices at the store. I'm going to pay with my credit card when I'm there because I get extra points. And if I send any pictures or video, silly videos of people, I'm going to do it off my phone.

That works really good. And everyone instantly gets my videos and photos immediately that being said though I just I like the idea that if I ever did want to have the option do any of those other things it was I'm not going to do those things, but just the idea that those option exists is all I'm concerned about. Yeah Used to be a proper G. Damn country be a proper G damn country. Yeah. Yeah. What about a little supporting our supporting members

this week? Ooh, I like how that sounds. Oh, there's good. I see some better. I see some, we used to be a proper country ideas in the, in the discord here. I better write down. Yep. Let's see. In the discord here, I better write down Yep

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squat, a 418 pound bench and an OK deadlift. He said over a 500 plus dot score. Hey, he's not messing around. Big Lisa competed at a strongman show in Syracuse. And I think there were some other queue there crew there along to cheer him along some New York crew. Big Sterling hit a family PR with the birth of a new baby in the family. Big Chris, sort of the opposite god of a sectomy. Big Chris, sort of the opposite, got a vasectomy. Snip, snap, snap, snap.

Can one man take what was the scenario or use that the other day? And I really don't like it. Delta kicked us off the airplane. Oh, yeah. Like, OK, you guys can book this one if you're quick on the app. And I booked it and then you couldn't book it so I unbooked it and then I realized oh crap I booked it for both of us so then I rebooked it again and then he's like oh another plane opened up so then I unbooked it again and I'm like snip snap snip snap how much can we go

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Thank you to the Strength Co. You want me to do it now or should we just get to it? Maybe we should get to it. I guess soon we'll probably want to kick off the live listeners. I was thinking before we did that, I would want to mention today's date is what? Oh. March 26th.

Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah, the month. Today's date is what? March has come and gone. Yeah, in like a lion out like a lamb, am I right? You're telling me. Beware the Ides of March, I guess.

This episode will come out on March 31st. We have our biggest drop. It might be our, it could be our most important drop that we've ever had in the history of Mastodon. We had a lot of drops. This could be our legacy. Approximately how many drops do you think we've had in the history of Mastinomics? Well?

Basically one a month for the last five years and Then before that they were a little more sporadic, but So we've had 75 drop. Oh, yeah for sure I was gonna say it might be closer to between 80 and 100 which is actually insane saying that out loud now 80 to 100 potential product drops. That's a lot and I'm saying this could be our The most influential drop we've ever had could say everything we've done has led up to this moment Yeah, I do not want to put the cart before the horse on this one, but I think it's going to be big. I think so too.

I think it's going to be real big and I do not want to spoil. I don't even think, uh, we'd in order for it to be a true surprise, since this will come out on the 30th and 31st, we can't mention anything about what it's going to be because this one, uh, we're playing very close to the chest. Uh, it's. It's special. I'll just say it's special. And this one, we decided that it's, we typically wait till later in the day.

We're gonna release this one earlier, correct? Yeah, what time do you think, just to finalize it here, 9.30 a.m., I wondered about, or 10 a.m., or 9 a.m.? Somewhere between 9 and 10 a.m. Central time, I think is the preferred time. So like 9.30 a.m. Central time. I think is the yeah the preferred time So like 930 a.m. Could make sense somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah, that's about the time. We're thinking on April 1st Tuesday 2025

Nothing will be the same after this and Just to lay it out there most specifically there is only one item in this drop. Yeah We did not want to convolute this whatsoever, dilute it whatsoever. If you want to be any question about what to buy, it's just, it's obvious. Usually we have two or three things, two, three, maybe four, maybe even more

if it's like Black Friday, that sort of thing, but for this drop, we held it as its own space as just one item and supplies are limited and we don't know what the future holds of the, it could be a one run and item. It could be one and done. I'll say this. If you don't act on this, when it comes out, you may never get this.

I'll say this. If you don't act on this and it comes up, you may never get this. I'll say this, if you don't act on this and it comes out, you might be a horse's ass. You might be a stupid horse's ass. Price range, I'll say something about the price range. It is exceptionally affordable, as a matter of fact. Be one of the cheaper items on our entire website. Yeah, at that point in time, yeah, yeah, it will be it is except

The more and more we talk about it the more we get closer to dropping. I have a downside of this What's the cash there isn't I have a feeling? if you don't order it like the day of You might be a horse's ass Very well could be. All right, is that enough about that for now? I think so. April 1st, 2025, the game is changed.

Maybe we say what the title topic's gonna be and then we kick everyone out. Oh yeah, why don't you go ahead and. What is the title? I mean, what is the actual title of the topic? Do you think? Title topic will be Rogue Fitness Equipment Controversy. Ooh.

Very intriguing. Now can I kick everyone out? Now that's what's said. Yeah, now I think you kick them out. Okay. But now the problem is there's a lot of them here, so this is gonna take me a little while. Well, everyone comes for the pre-show anymore.

There's a lot of people. It was pre-gaming so hard, it was a party in there. Yeah, that's what we call it, the pre-game, right? Yep. Because it's like, for anyone that doesn't know, the nomenclature, pre-gaming is what you do at home before you go to the bar, where you get a... To get you ready for the bar.

You prime the pump. Yeah. You get to show up to the bar when everyone's having a good bar and everyone don't want to show up to the bar stone sober Yeah, and you're just like a square in the corner over there Like I forgot to pregame it That's the biggest mistake you could ever make right there forgetting to pregame I mean honestly, that's almost impressive if you say you forgot to pregame. Yes All right.

Down to the last two. Oh, Grayson's the lucky last survivor this week. Okay. Get out of here. Get out, you're out. Okay. You know what the Mendoza line is? It's dude, you, Brandon, came up with the Mendoza line is? I think it's a grip measurement tool

It is I definitely heard of it before yeah Define it. I would have a hard time. I knew it had something to do I it was a baseball reference and I had to look it up. And it's, I think it's batting over 200. An average of 200. Is a sign in the majors of like being like competent, you know, like you're at least, I'd say, you'd say it like this. Are you at least above the Mendoza line? Like, yes, I bat over 200.

Which is getting on base one every five times at bat. You're like, okay, that's pretty good. That's all it takes. Yep. I guess that's why it's so easy to make it. Major League Baseball. That's why everyone does it. I don't know why I thought about that right now, but.

I like that little trivia. Yeah. Rogue fitness equipment controversy. so I don't know We're pretty deep into this but can you help side change? I think we're very uniquely positioned to describe this because we have met One of the parties we're gonna talk about the Clevas and we have purchased equipment from rogue before so we are very We are uniquelyified unlike anyone else. I mean, I don't know who else in the industry would be more qualified for this conversation than us We know buddy. So what we're gonna we're gonna there was

There was a video released. We'll try to bring everyone up to speed on what happened here so first thing would have to you'd have to know who are the clevas are and They are named after a deadlift jack No, I'm kidding I'm kidding The the clevis are wonderful people from I believe the Phoenix area, right? But you could convince me of that They're a husband and wife team. They you might know them for products like the Genesis Jack, which is that very compact? Very cool looking. I actually have one in my gym

deadlift jack very lightweight and Works great. I mean to me it's like kind of the standard for a single deadlift jacket It's that good and then they have like the some really high-end home gym stuff So it'd be like there is that their landmine They have a landmine option. What else do they have Tanner the series of attachments? Yeah I mean they make they make several different Home gym focus products. Yeah, you can check out their website clever built comm and I mean they're all they're all high-end pieces Very like no detail is overlooked

Yeah, what do you have the single deadlift Jack right in your gym the red colored one? Yep. Yep I have I think it's not got the double. I'm pretty sure yeah. Yeah, you got the double. Yeah, the double is awesome That's like the yeah the genus I'm looking here the Genesis Jack Pro and What's that thing weigh like maybe four pounds? It's so light. It's Must be aircraft great But yeah, then they have yeah, they have just a series of different loading pins you know pull down attachments barbell holders things like that and Like I said all really high-end really high quality stuff and they released a video

Kind of just Outlining their frustrations with rogue. I guess I need to back this up again. So clever being a small manufacturer It sounded like they had had you know issues that small manufacturers have just Handling volume getting things out on time and just keeping up with demand I can't remember if they said they were looking for a partner or someone had approached them, but just recently, Rep has been teaming up with more and more people, and so Rep had teamed up with them

to release their Atlas Multi-Grip slash Landmine cable attachment, also a version of the Genesis Jack, and a couple other, a couple other, I can't remember all the names all their products but rogue had partnered up with them to do like three or three or four of their products to put that sorry rep had teamed up with

them to give them that mass manufacturing that rep seems to have down and then you know typically with that comes you know the overseas manufacturing they can bring the price down a little bit too with those economy of economies of scale and foreign manufacturing. And so it's a win. Clevver is making more money because they're moving more product. Their products are more affordable for most people. You know, you can get them quicker. Seems like it's a win win win. Everyone's happy until

the Clevvers came out with a little video describing their frustrations with rogue you say rogue Where does rogue come into this? Well, apparently rogue had I think a couple years ago Again, the videos out there. I'm definitely gonna miss some minor details up here You can go watch the video for yourself But rogue had approached them a few years ago about wanting to do what they ended up actually doing with Rep. So Rogue wanted to, had talked to them about saying, hey, what can we do to manufacture this for you? And I believe they even went as far as like saying,

send us over your CAD files so we can do whatever with them, I guess, I don't know. And apparently there was some frustrations with Rogue's turnaround times and like ghosting them disappearing Nothing seemed to have come of the initial talks It seemed like it was dead in the water and then eventually, you know as time goes on the Clevver's end up Touching base with rep hitting it off rep does this thing? The rep product comes out and what happens a week later? The rogue you could say the rogue clone comes out and that's where the frustration

Bubbles up finally comes through comes to the surface and why the Clevus made that video because Their product once it exists with rep then all of a sudden hey, the rogue version that seemed dead in the water, now miraculously exists a week or two later. Did I cover the high points there, Tanner? I think so, and then that video comes out and what I would spin from it next is, you know, the hardcore home gym community rallies behind a cause like this, I would say,

and then you look in the home gym Facebook group and that sort of thing, and people are going wild on comments about it. So I haven't been in the home gym community very long. I'm only, you know, my home gym one year anniversary is, I mean, any day now. So I've only- You've gone really hard for a year.

I've gone hard for a year, yes. But I haven't been very, it's been hard, but not long, you know, and so. Right, right. If there's one thing I've learned in my short time, it's that the home gym community loves to hate on rogue Like it's it's like it's almost like cool to hate rogue, which I find very funny That yeah, I mean though this giant faceless company but it's like cool to like yeah, they're the bad guy Yeah, let's get them like do the whole pitchfork thing And I guess before we get too far into that

Is there anything else we need to say about? No, I mean, I think the products do look pretty similar like when you yeah It's like yeah looks it looks very similar. Yeah, and we don't know, you know, I think outside of the cleavage You know, everyone else is kind of on the outside looking in we don't know the specifics of it Yeah, it does seem like a bad look on rogue. I would give them that like it's not It doesn't seem like that's the best thing Before it's like before you go like yeah, I hate rogue let's let's boycott them forever and not that rogue needs anyone to defend them or stick up for them, but I

Mean it's like a multi-grit bar with a landmine in it, which also don't like five other companies make a product like that too. It's more probably to me, the timing is a little more suspect than anything. It's sus. It is sus. You know, it is sus. Yeah, I think a lot of people have products like this,

similar products. I thought I saw a post post I don't keep up with rogue's inventory super close that rogue essentially has had this exact same product for a while They just haven't had the landmine option in it So they essentially just took you know, one of their neutral grip pull down attachments and added the Landmine option which again if that was the case and it's like yeah, not that big of a deal timing again little weird but Yeah, that's what people are up in arms about here Here's what I would say if I put myself in the clever shoes And I made this product that I put a lot of time and effort into it and making it

Quality piece that looks cool that the aesthetic that people want that's affordable all this and I partner with someone else you know get it to mass production all this stuff and Rogue comes out with their very similar looking one a week later, whatever it is I would be really pissed off like if I was, I would be really pissed off. I would be super annoyed if I was them. I would be really pissed off. I would also make that video that they made and said, like, 100% a like this is also because it's really all they can do. And the reason I say I think it's all they can do because I don't think as far

as intellectual property or anything goes, there's nothing of significant, you know, there's not maybe I'm incorrect and uninformed, but just to the naked eye, I'm like of significant, you know, there's not, maybe I'm incorrect and uninformed, but just to the naked eye, I'm like, what are you patenting there? I know that's, that's what's hard with all this is there's always people that think they're lawyer experts in these groups that all sue so and so. And it's like, um, I mean, first of all, there's gotta be a lot of things in place to even get to that point. And then it's also when it comes to lawsuits, you know, who's really good at lawsuits The really big companies with a ton of the one with the most money is who's really lawsuits, right?

So, you know the so they're doing what they can and you know, hopefully like educating people like hey buy ours And don't buy rogue. Yeah That's what I would say if I was them and that's would be my defending them in their case because I would honestly just do the exact same thing because 100% pissed off. Yeah, I I And like yeah, who's team my I'm 100% on the Clevis team. Like I like there are some people I want to see them succeed like rogue has enough other things going on. I don't care but the that that also being said like But that also being said, like.

I guess I don't even know how to what to what to say about it, other than I'm like, yeah, I mean, a rogue gonna rogue is what I would say. Like at the end of the day, a rogue is going to rogue their way around whatever they want to. And they they are the giant gorilla in the room and get to almost relatively speaking, do whatever the hell they want to and they are the giant gorilla in the room and get to almost relatively speaking, do whatever the hell they want. And here's what else, what else I would say about it. You know, oh, I don't, pick a number,

whether it's 500 hardcore home gym people or a thousand, or maybe it's 5,000, maybe it's even 10,000 that are like, yeah, clever, like we will rally behind you and we're not gonna support Rogue because of this and we're only gonna support you You know what rogue probably really cares about that Almost nothing at all. Yeah, cuz you know like you know what how much like 5,000 customers I mean, I'm not saying it's of no significance whatsoever But relatively speaking most the people from buying from rogue

whatsoever, but relatively speaking most the people from buying from rogue Aren't hardcore home. Jim. No, no concept of they're not like sitting in the reddit and the Facebook group every day Like a lot of us are and like they don't give a shit No, not like that most of their customers couldn't care less if a similar product exists somewhere else They just don't care and they're never going to and they don't even know these communities like exist out there They're like I kind of like to do CrossFit and be kind of nice to do sort of some of that at home in my gym with my. Even like a lot of people that are in like that home gym Facebook group, a vast majority of them wouldn't even give a shit.

They would say, like, I don't care. I'll just buy which one's cheaper and or better or like, man, I broke. I buy from Rogan. They just do a good job. Yeah, you know, they don't care Yeah, and I did find here the rogue product is the rogue CG one cable and landmine attachment. I have found it here Yeah And it's similar but then also for that matter I don't know if you know this but like stray dog has one that's really similar to right like you said there's probably multiple several I mean all I all you got to do is Google multi-grip landmine and and you'll see

Stray Dog multi-grip cable slash landmine. And you know what it looks like? A lot like the rogue one. No, I'm not trying to like throw Stray Dog under the bus or anything. I'm just saying like it's a neutral grip bar that you can attach to something and has landmine capabilities like. Yeah, again, I'm for the clevis here. that you can attach to something and has landmine capabilities like Yeah again I'm for the clevis here. There's a hundred percent like yeah, it's a bad look for rogue, but I just I

do like to I Don't have any problem with rogue But I do like to order things from the other company the longer I go along, the more I like to order from the other companies, just because I understand the significance of actually supporting some of the smaller people that are making stuff, and I'm like, ah, it just means more to me to be able to support them than supporting Rogue, so I don't.

And same thing for us, we know every order actually makes a difference, it matters. Right, exactly. You know, Rogue, it's just, I mean, I don't know. Do they do hundreds of millions, if not a billion dollars in sales a year? So if I was ordering mean, I don't know do they do they do hundreds of millions If not a billion dollars in sales a year like so if I was ordering this I would order the order the clever one Oh 100% yes without a doubt But to your point of people do love to shit on rogue

Okay, and I'm like this is what I think some people need a little like cuz it's so Like they're they're an easy punching bag because they're so big, like it's so easy to hit a rope. Right, because it's a victimless crack. Like if you're Reagan on pick a come Darko who were, you know, we're also the Clevins even for that matter. Yeah, it's like you're like, it's you're picking on a real person. It's almost like you're starting a war with the person that like you're going to cross

paths with all the time. And like you're in the same Comments of everything all the time right with rogue. It's like there's there's not Bill isn't there like he's not like they're defending himself in the comment section or Peter Keller You know it's like fringe. He's gonna be there in the comments like defending himself like rogue is not gonna And it's a close thing you get I don't have to yeah to this this faceless thing of right ever but like defending himself, like Rogue is not gonna be commenting on any of this stuff. I mean, it's the closest thing you get.

I don't have to. Yeah, to just this faceless thing of whatever, but as popular as it can be to hate on Rogue, I still, I think a lot of people like to forget, especially in the home gym space, how much Rogue does for the actual sport side of things. And if you need a reminder of that, go to the Arnold. Like, the amount of money they're dumping into the strongman and the Olympic lifting and the power lifting and all that.

And yeah, maybe like some of the power lifting means maybe they're not really doing much from a money standpoint, but their equipment is all over everything. And it is competition grade and it's incredible. And like the strongman, they don't have to put that much money into it I mean no one no one put any that no equipment manufacturers putting As far as I know any money or if they were very little money into that for years and years and years I mean decades even and say like Cerberus, but they're not really like I don't a little different though like it's like making sandbags and right it's not like they don't have the manufacturing capabilities at the end of the day that rogue does and Rogue has those manufacturing capabilities. They don't have to do the things that they're doing and then also like look at the crazy. I mean media documentary film all that stuff that they've done for the different

Sports at the end of the day like from an athletic competitor standpoint You might want to hate it You might hate it, but they do kind of the coolest stuff when it comes to the actual sport side of things. And that's why Rogue, for us, a lot of times does come to mind first because here at Massanomics, it might be hard to believe, but like we are at the end of the day powerlifting strong man, you know,

fans, competitors, enthusiasts. Yeah, we've competed in it, all, you know, our people around us compete in it, we host those events, we've competed in it. Our people around us compete in it. We host those events. We watch the large events. Our thing has always, at the end of the day, been about going to the gym and getting strong. That's always been our guiding north star.

And it's like, yeah, equipment, this stuff, that's all cool. But strength has always kind of been. I mean, that was the whole thing that got us started, was strength. It was just strength. That was it. It's like, crappy bars, we don't care. Crappy gym, you know, the first Mastodonomics gym

was damn near a 20 by 20 room with the most garbage. And we thought it was the best thing ever. But it was like, oh, people in there that wanna like all get strong. It was the best thing ever. It was the same kind of stuff. It was just strength. Oh, it's just us and we all wanna squat in there.

The place sucks, the equipment sucks. And we thought it was like the best thing that had ever existed. Like my little rack with just what I have in my home gym would, I mean, blow away anything that was in that gym. Like it was just like what I have is so crazy. And we had like 15 guys going there and like as far as we were concerned,

it was like we had won the lottery and this was the best thing ever. That is what it was like. Oh, it was like every day it was just like pure adrenaline. Same time with each other and lift like that. Like, oh it was like. Oh, it was like every day, it was just like pure adrenaline at the same time. We go shopping at the same time with each other and lift like that, like, oh my God, we've made it. It's because at the end of the day,

like our whole thing has always been about just like, no, like we like the lifting part of it. And Rogue does a really good job of like marketing and selling the lifting part of it. And a lot of people like to hate on that, but at the end of the day, I mean, I recognize that and I can align with them on that and that's why I have a hard time just hating taking pot shots on rogue and we've done our first year of complaining about rogue over the years on this show too, but

I mean, there's certain things like that that just always keep them relevant to me there is I mean we were talking about this with Jujie about something just completely unrelated to this, but I mentioned this a couple times and, you know, a lot of people often agree there, no matter what, there is always two sides to everything too. You know, like there is always, it's always relevant that there is always two sides

to every discussion. There is, and I guess another one in the clevis favor here. We've talked with a lot of people over the years, a lot of people from all different aspects in the industry and their story describing of like, you pitch something to Rogue and then you're like on the back burner and you don't hear from them ever again. We've heard that story from multiple people multiple times.

And it's like, someone even told us like, yeah, you pitch an idea to Rogue and you just wait. Like it might be five years, it might be never, but like this individual told us they've had it both ways. They've had it where they've just never heard anything and they've also had it where they just, it was like, cool, yep, sounds good. And then just crickets, crickets for five years.

And then all of a sudden one day out of the blue they say let's do this and Their takeaway was kind of like when you work with rogue you're working on their terms and not saying that's right or wrong But that sounds like that is That's how they operate. Yeah Anything else about the Rogue controversy Rogue clever rep controversy that all there again, I would just say like if I was buying that product,

I would definitely buy the clever one. Yes, I like I would like there's and that would be my recognition to someone listening if they're interested in that, you know, do support them in this case. I you know it's but on the flip side of the coin, I would say I don't know. Rogue's not the devil either, you know, like right I you know, it's but on the flip side of the coin I would say I don't know rogues not the devil Make a good product like they do Yeah, it's

It's it's complicated. I hope that I can't I can't imagine That this is affecting the cleverva business that much, right? Like, is there just rogue people that are like, oh my god, finally this product is out. Finally, finally the rogue CG-1 cable and landmine attachment is out and I don't have to get the Cleva one. Yeah. Maybe there's a couple people out there that think that.

I can't imagine there's a ton that are like jacked for that. But yeah, it's, I guess it is another competitor on the market. But at the end of the day, the Clevis do have a very cool, very unique product. Wish them all the best. I hope it goes great for them. Both the products we have from them, the Genesis Jack and the double, as far as I'm concerned, best in class, amazing products. You know, you know. Speaking of best in class, amazing products are certified training facility flags are also restocked products. Yep, yep. Speaking of best in class amazing products,

our certified training facility flags were also restocked here this week too. So you could get your chances here again, it's the fourth round of these where you could get, we were out of stock again for a while, you could get on the map, our certified training facility map, what is it's massonics.com slash certified.

Certified, go look at the map if you've never looked at it, the certified training facility gym's on there, What is it's mass.com slash certified certified Go look at the map if you've never looked at it the certified training facility gyms on there It's actually wild prepare to have your mind blown Yeah with a geographic area that that now covers and the density and some of the areas of certified training facilities and if you're a Mass. I'm supporting member you're traveling at all and you're looking for a place to be able to train Supporting member you're traveling at all and you're looking for a place to be able to train Actually use the map everyone if there's a part on there that says if people are open to visitors or not and a lot of them Have photos and some some even videos of their gym. You might get a taste of what the gyms like and

Whether you want to hang out with another? Supporting member and go train in their facility when you're on the road see if it works out or not Do sign up and become a certified training facility. We use the map also, like when we're making trips. We use the map, we actually do it. We were just using it this week in reference to our Ohio gym tour tour coming up. We have talked about that, right?

I actually don't know if we've talked about it on the show yet. Have we talked about it on the show or not? I don't think we have Maybe we have we've maybe mentioned that we had a trip coming up But I don't think we've because we didn't really have anything solid until a couple days ago. Okay. Well breaking news We are having an Ohio gym tour tour in May of

This year that will be our next big Mastodonics trip, right? There's no other big trips prior to that. I don't believe. God, no. Yeah. It's too many. So it'll be the beginning of May. We're already working on lining up trips,

looking up our, working on our itinerary. We already know, I mean, we've gone through the list. We're not going to be able to get to all of them we want to be able to get to Ohio is a relatively large state and we're plotting our course and It's large when you're basically looping around the entire thing That's that's part of our problem too is because of the various people were almost going through the whole We have opportunity at least to go to like every corner of the state I just that's the thing like I don't know that that'll actually be able to happen

Also when we're getting some a couple Indiana stops Ohio wasn't enough so we're adding another state into it and You and we're gonna be on table talk again, just so everyone knows that's kind of the part of the trip here, too We're also going to be you're saying wait two states many many home gyms table talk you going there for a week No, we're going there for about two and a half days We just aren't gonna be sleeping much over there So that's coming up in may be be on the lookout for more More updates on that as we get a little closer. So I guess you could say we're in table talk prep right now in May be be on the lookout for more.

More updates on that as we get a little closer. So I guess you could say we're in table talk prep right now. We are in table talk prep. I think this all this our whole lives have been table talk prep, honestly, if you think about it. What was the garage gym reviews horse stall map? But did you watch it? Dude, this video? I think there's like horse horse stall mats are did you watch it dude this video? I think there's like horse horse stall mats are just in the zeitgeist now aren't I'm telling you I felt like

Coop was trolling us when he made this video because I for one could not make if we release this video people be like I mean are you guys actually doing this right now like oh, it would be a joke If we literally said the exact thing same thing as the same everyone would it would just be a giant joke There were so many times where I was waiting for me because we are making that joke all the time guys This is I gotcha. I gotcha like more horse all that content like you fell for it, but no it was a real true honest video there were several things in it that were just wacky to me and I mean from the topic the topic already is wacky because the joke is that there's just way too much horse tall mat content already and I mean people would call it a joke if we did this coop can get away with it good for him

The first thing that I had to rewind it because it just so caught me off guard is he was talking about the mats not being straight Are did you catch that one? What was it? He talked about I think he was saying how when you go to horse or when you go to the horse supply he said ask him a lot of times they have like like B tier like B tier maths he's like you know they're not perfectly straight they put it infographic on the screen and it was a chart that says it starts with heterosexual and it goes to homosexual and the mat is hovering over heterosexual and then the mat goes all the

way over to homosexual and I could not believe that their channel would actually do something like that. I didn't see that actually. It seemed weird. It just seemed like a mat like was work working through this try and it and then I had to pause Cuz after it passed like did that is it was a not homosexual on it I was so confused and I went back and I'm like that is the craze the weirdest infogroup like graphic They could use to do that. So that was very bizarre already and then Just the way it kept going

It's like a 12 minute video about horse stall mats. But what did I text? I can't. There was the home gym nerd comment. Yeah, he made a home gym nerd comment, which we've discussed many times on this show. And then the other one that was, oh, really funny, goes, I learned this trick from Eric Carpenter, Carp's Gym.

And they put some other, I learned this trick from Eric Carpenter, Carp's Gym, and they put some other Eric Carpenter that lifts his picture on the video that has nothing to, the guy probably has no clue what the garage gym reviews is. You know, it's like, why am I appearing in this video? So that was really funny too. Coach Carp missed out on having a screenshot of his Instagram appear. That's funny. And okay, do people actually you've

moved way more horse stall mats than I have in my day Tanner. I moved a few but people actually do the thing where they ratchet strap them in a loop and carry them. I mean, that takes forever, right? No, no, people do not do that. That I've never seen someone do that. I thought for sure that was gonna be the one. I mean, that takes forever, right? No, no, people do not do that. That I've never seen somebody I thought for sure that was going to be the one. I mean, maybe if you had to carry it a mile, I guess I would do it like you just drive. Usually you drag it out of the back is kind of a far carry.

And even that's like I would never if you said no. And then sometimes I'll roll it up and I'll just hold it rolled. Like I don't need to wrap a strap around it. I just going down a flight of stairs through several doors, right? To be fair. I'm probably considerably bigger and stronger than coupe is but I thought that was the one for sure He's gonna be like no, I'm just kidding. This is enormous waste of time. Don't do this All right, but no he was he was committed to the bid on that one. I mean if you were not of Like I mean most of people I see doing it are big strong people

And you can kind of but still It's just such an annoyance to take a mat I but I'm just like a legitimately weak person and you're like, maybe you can't even hold it Like you just have like that's the you know If you were is that this is it are they that hard to hold for some people though? Like I'm not I'm not even claiming to be that strong of a person No, what I mean like someone that's just like doesn't even barely like if you're okay. It's your first home gym You maybe you can't even deadlift 225 right you never exercised in your life like right away 110 pounds

That's big like somebody that hey you get to this hundred--pound mat You're like how am I going to move this? You know you're like I don't even know how I but also wrestling it enough to get a strap You know also ratchet straps are a pain in the ass sometimes No, I know like I I would be surprised if you had the average person a ratchet strap and said do this That they would actually figure out how to do it. I Don't think that many people know how to use those things just one also when you're wrestling a hundred pound math That's trying to unroll the whole time like it's not to me the idea of like trying to roll it up seems way more annoying then just

Pulling it where you gotta pull it. Yeah, I Would think most the time. Yeah, I've never done the ratchet strap thing I have rolled it but then I just hold it roll, you know, I just I've went I've always I guess in your garage You know true to the channel name in your garage You just get that vehicle backed up close open the garage door and rip her on in yeah, yeah Yeah, so maybe at some point you'll see a little horse stall Matt content from us also Yeah, we can't I can't let them have the only horse stall matte content coming out

If it and even that day like I probably put I think the day even prior to that publishing I posted like two or three horse all that means Speaking of Instagram comment a couple of things That I was thinking about eight just I've been really enjoying the horse doll mat memes. I'll say that. If you haven't been able to pick up on that, well you should be able to pick up on that.

And then B, a couple of things that went off slightly more popular than normal comment wise that I was noticing. One is one I posted today, which is a Venn diagram of the good squat, good bench, good deadlift. And then the number of people that like, this has gone popular enough that it's way outside of our normal viewing audience.

The number of people that rush into the comments seriously and having to defend themselves of like, being like, I'm actually good at all three. Oh, really? Yeah. It's like if you're good at all three, if you're good at all three. Oh really? Yeah. It's like if you're good at all three, if you're good at all three and you have to say in the comments, you're probably not actually good at all three.

That's kind of my point. You know the funny comments are the people that are like, I thought like what do I do when I'm not good at any of them? That's what I thought was funny. How many comments were like, what about bad at all three? I'm like, you know what? That's funny. If you're leaving that comment,

you're probably stronger than what I even think you are. That's what I think. And it's the people that are like, what about bad at all three? I'm like, you know what? That's funny. If you're leaving that comment, you're probably stronger than what I even think you are. That's what I think. And it's the people that are like, well, I'm actually good at all of them. What about me? You know, like I'm not defending themselves. I'm like, what, are you good at any of them? I'm guessing.

You know, there's not really strong people making those comments on random posts on the internet. No, because I don't even know, I don't know, if someone can bench 400 and squat 600 and let's say deadlift 600, do you go, well I'm good at all of them? Like, well, well, well, well, how much do you weigh?

Like, where's the line here, you know? So it's. Yeah. Then the other one was when I had posted all of our videos and stuff from our trip with Jujie Mufu on Instagram. A lot of those got a decent number of views. The one that continues to grow though is the one of me missing the Tsunami Bar Bench Press.

That's still getting some traction. That one has like 400,000 views right now. Really? Or 360,000. It's like Boogs told us, people love to see you fail. That's what I noticed, what I was gonna say about it the Cuz the the thing is like why did I fail and I said the Sun was in my eyes and no horse tall mats for Grip under my feet. Uh-huh, but then I've noticed even just the last couple days

Like the people being like oh you're weak All these things of and I don't I honestly like none of them upset me. I'm not because it's so running here to upset it. Like you could almost guarantee none of those people have touched a tsunami bar in their life, let alone like a scripted the comments. I'm like, I have to believe none of the people calling me out for my deficiencies are very strong people because they're again, when you're strong, you're not going running to the

Comments of Instagram to like a rag on other people. I mean anyone don't know I would just if anyone's doing more than 300 pounds I Mean, I'm kind of patty my numbers here But I mean anyone if they're doing over 300 pounds reverse grip mention on a tsunami bar I'm like no you get a pass like it doesn't matter. Yeah, this is what you do. You just You've handled it. Oh and and the people calling it out as a, that don't know, have no idea what a tsunami bar is or anything like that, and saying it's a fake bar and fake plates, like, that don't even understand

what is going on here. Right, yeah, I have no idea what's happening. A lot of those comments and that sort of thing. And then, like, the injury thing, but I just, it made me think I'm like, oh, this is what like Mark Rosenberg, Deadliest Lift, this is what his comment section's like all the time. Of people like.

Right, yeah, a guy that can deadlift 900 pounds. Right, and it's just constantly people telling him he's wrong and he's gonna break his back, you know, this stuff like that. It's weird. So it's And granted it's not me getting called out in the video, but also You know, I don't feel personally no because there's a thing online where you know when people leave comments about stuff They don't even they're at the point where they don't even think of people as people anymore It's just that's what you're a piece of content. It's just this is a piece of content online and I'm leaving comments

I'm really getting to the point where when I see like dumb comments, I just think like You're not even a person. You're just it's just a dumb piece of content that I'm also consuming here Like it's not even a real thing anymore flip side, right? Yeah Yeah, exactly how many people all right, I'll bite or whatever. Yeah, yeah. So I'll be that guy. It's like, oh good. I'm glad you're that guy.

Tell me how someone came to rescue. Tsunami grip reverse bench. Yes. Well, you have definitely never done it before. What is LBS? Okay, Tanner. What is LBS okay dinner when you uh Load up any weights any dumbbells anything Perhaps that perhaps that weight plate is a 45

typically after the 45 I Shouldn't say typically but occasionally after the 45. There'll be a little abbreviation So, you know the units that you're lifting in what is that abbreviation? Like what is it on plates? Yeah, like what's if you're lifting? What are the two what are the two units you're lifting in? pounds or kilograms so Would be the one or pounds yeah yeah what's the abbreviation for pound definitely LBS yeah I mean I recognized LBS as yep when

I when I saw you put LBS I mean in my head I say pounds yep you know I don't say LBS is like what you know in my I just read that as pounds what are any of those letters LBS what's what what's one of those letters are in the word pounds? The only thing you'd have there is the s is at the end for plural like more than one Where the hell is that Ellen be coming from I? Have no idea have you ever thought I'll just try to think I don't know if I ever if I ever have it's not recent Enough that I can recall ever thinking about it I'm trying to think if I could even make a stab

at why it would be LBF. It must be like a periodic table of elements thing where it's like, oh, what's the sign for, you know, cause a lot of them like oxygen, oh, carbon, C, but then you get to potassium and it's K Yeah, so it's like why the hell's pounds LBS they round up rat ran out of abbreviation so like no this one has to be LDS could do LBS, I don't know. It must be something really old. Is it Latin is it?

But I guess that's English. So I don't know. It's the English. It's the English measuring system. I have no idea why it would be LBS. I'll say this. I was I was back at my parents house this past weekend and they have that generic set of like one to eight pound dumbbells that everyone has stashed in their house. Like the eight pound ones my boy likes to try and pick up and are they colored? Oh, yeah, of course the color Okay. Yep. Okay And he's like, so yeah, just don't drop him on your toes and he sets it down and it's just for the first time

I just see eight LBS and I'm like LBS what the hell does it? It just never crossed my mind to think what does LBS and I'm like LBS what the hell does it just never cross my mind to think what does LBS mean? You know what what is going on here? So everyone just knows that that's what I just know I've never questioned it once in my life So I did a little looking and this is this is I'm actually giving you the abbreviation from chat GPT the breakdown Okay, so maybe this is an 100% right, it seemed to Mimic pretty closely what my Google searching did it says the abbreviation LBS for pounds comes from the Latin word Oh, I said you did say Latin. Yep, which referred to a Roman unit of weight The full term was Libra Pondo meaning a pound of weight

Here's the breakdown Libra is the origin of the LB abbreviation Pondo is where we get the English word pound Over time we kept pound as the spoken word and LB as the abbreviation S is just in there to make it plural Yeah, so there it is Libra Pondo That's what I'm gonna start putting on my plate These are like hipster plates. I've definitely never heard that before I haven't either I looked at that

I probably have never thought about it. Yep. Never never ever cross my mind because I will say jokingly sometimes I'll be like how many LB's oh, yeah, totally like how many LBs yeah, what's your LBs? Yep? 100% I feel like everyone has said that at some point right and then isn't is Libra. I mean the the Image for Libra is a scale isn't it I? Don't know yeah like is it like the constellation and all that stuff is a Libra constellation I don't even know if they have pictures of stars here, but Yeah, Libra zodiac sign. It is a scale That's a Libra zodiac. I actually went to I wouldn't have known that

Yeah, I would not have known that but yeah, this says it right here Libra zodiac sign I'm pretty into What is that discipline where you care? stars astrology What is that discipline where you care about? Stars. Astrology. Astrology. Yeah, I'm a big astrology guy. I heard you asked a lot of people at the Arnold what their sign was.

Yeah. It was your icebreaker. For a period in time, when I was working at the bank, I used to look at the newspaper every day. The actual, what it used to be. Oh, did they put the horoscopes in there? Yeah, the horoscopes were in there. Occasionally I would look at the horoscope

I remember to know if you're gonna have a good day that day or not I was just purely I just got into a thing where I'm like, this is a thing in the newspaper I like I just had to read it just sometimes just to see what they even said I remember like what when I found out that those are really published in the newspaper because it seems so stupid to me at the Time that's what I'm like. What just you just post any random ass nonsense in here like What's that called again horoscope horoscope So stupid Yeah, and then you read that like in the small top papers

Then you flip the page and it's the letter to the editor and you're like, you know what? they do post any random else nonsense in here Give me the family circus and the not wordle, but the Sudoku it's I always I always like it in my When I go back home because of course my parents do get the newspaper for the local town They do still have a small a small a week town publication yeah weekly yep once a week yeah and what's always interesting is they'll always

have a for the town of like 3,500 people on this date ten years ago on this date fifty years ago and a hundred years ago and so many of the ones from like fifty to a hundred years ago are so and so's family from Minneapolis visited them they made pie and had a good time like that was that was what was on made the news 50 years ago and like somehow for some reason that was documented. I liked what I liked about our local newspaper. When they would in the sports section, they would do this date in history for sports. And if I would I or one of the teams I was on or maybe even just older of

my, you know, people I played with and stuff. Yeah. I would pop up in there and I was like, oh yeah, I remember that. It's like, oh, I totally remember that game. Just living in the glory days. Yeah. Such a silly little local newspaper thing. I had a little thing I wanted to mention just for the better of society here. Oh the public service announcement. Yeah this is just this is a PSA. I want to talk about group text etiquette and what I'm not talking about is you and your buddies that have this or you and your close not talking about you and your close family that have a group. Tell the, the, I'm not talking about your buddies.

That's titled the meat jerking beef boys. Not that one, not that one. Okay. That one, anything goes and that's obvious. It is you and your close family. Anything goes there. That's obvious. What I'm talking about is when, for example, just I'll pull a random example here.

Your kids sports team and it's all the parents you might only even really kind is when, for example, just I'll pull a random example here. Your kids' sports team and it's all the parents, you might only even really kind of know half of them. You have three numbers out of the 14 in the group you have on your phone. And then the people you, maybe three more, you kind of would recognize the other one. You don't even really know who they are. But there is a group text thread out of necessity

for scheduling and stuff like that. Already my brain's going, this thread is for emergency purposes only. That's what my brain's doing right now. It's saying stay away from there. Sane people understand not to contribute to that unless you have something. It's like an email chain in an office.

You do not want to be contributing to this in any way Same people know that then obviously right cuz you know that I would say people that have been socialized to society know that yes Yeah, yes people that we live in a society Yeah, you have been partaking in society you would know these things. Yeah, don't send like Ha ha ha No, no, no small chat and pleasantries are out. This is purely transactional Yeah, yeah, and you don't send like an inside joke or like no reference that most people aren't have no idea Oh, who's old? 58 72 we got a real jokester on our hands here. Yeah, you don't want to be that guy

Also, if if at all possible, I understand that mistakes happen. You really try Not to accidentally send text to that group that were not intended for that that were like intended Okay, if you actually said a text to that group man, you are you are doing something You accidentally sent a text to that group man you are you are doing something Because I gotta say I was it we were my wife and I were in one here And we were like yelling each other from across south like oh Did you see this one like you got to check the latest in the group text thread of what what the people are saying now? Like you just believe yes And like even having to text other people

that we do know that are in it, and be like, oh my God, are you seeing this? And don't do that. Like do what Tommy was saying. It's just out of necessity when it's a group text, when you don't know most of the people in it, it is for like just informational. It's like not your buddies, not your friends,

not your family, or at least a decent number of the people in there are not that. Yes, yes. Use that accordingly. This isn't the road to recruit those people to be in your buddies. You can do that in person or in a different thread. At one point I was like, Mary, how the heck do I

get out of this? And can they and I was also like, how can they see? Does it say like doesn't it? I was like, does it say that I left the threat, the whatever? And because I'm like, and she's like, oh, you can just mute it or, you know, something. And I'm like, OK, I'd want I

actually just want to be out of it. But I can't have it all, though, because then I'm like, I can't do it, but mm-hmm. I can't have it all though because then I'm like I can't do it if it's gonna say ten I left the group like you know everyone's you guys that last deck I Wish all of you the best of luck in your life. You know what you did, and then it says Tanner left Good luck in all your future endeavors do not add me to any more chats I will go without knowing the facts. I need to know just to not have to endure the ride forever.

It means not talking to you people. Have you ever experienced that at all? Or you certainly will. And so if you're listening, if you have it like if you have kids, especially you will because there's, I can count it the most. It's like, yeah, kids, you you know bigger kids activities where they're kind of like on the road and like there's all the sharing of information Yeah, I can definitely see how that come up I would say for the most part just the groups that I'm in are still mostly like just you know guys

That are on the same page. So it's just like our buddies occasionally like the group will get a I mean also for that matter though Once a group text is over like eight people It's too many people in there because then you have someone that you don't want to get that many messages Yeah, like it's like an Android phone and they're like not getting the messages correctly and then like they don't get photos And it's always this cluster of People and then someone's like hey the messages for this didn't come through or like there's always a thing like text Isn't the the spot for that stuff? That's the PSA

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all the fun Texas power bar thing I've been doing lately is 10 deadlift of just trying to see how much I can do that's on that So a couple people asked me what bar that is So that's on a old school 28 and a half millimeter Texas power just the og dude. I watched you do that Okay, so I was probably Chirping so you couldn't hear Tanner. What did you do? What what actually did you do or your sets the other day? What did you do? What what actually did you do or your sets the other day? What did you do? Uh a set of ten I did sets of ten at four fifteen, but I only do one set double overhand Okay, so Tanner did a set of ten four fifteen double overhand deadlift. No straps

No, nothing on an original Texas power bar. Yeah, and you got through all ten with just double overhand, right? Yeah, the tenth one was the like my lockout was really quick on the 10th one because it was really having a hard time locking it on the 10th one. I'm not sure I could, I don't think I could get one. I'm pretty confident I could not do one of that. That's why I saw that and I'm like, as far as I've seen tanners do stuff,

that's one of the more impressive things I've seen you do in a while. And probably because it's like, it's just so hard for me that Also, just really obscure to know what it's really clear to like yeah I've been more normalized to people benching 500 pounds and stuff like that, but it's just a really weird That's really hard to do though double overhand that long for a whole set I like I know I usually try to do double overhand as long as I can and for me It's around that like 365 to 385 is where I can feel like I have to start rushing my lockout because I start getting

Afraid that I'm gonna drop it and you know, that's like I'm talking like singles and doubles at that point Right. I said a ten at 405 is wild Yeah, wild. Yeah. For 415. Yeah, so the reason I've been doing that is just because of my ACL recovery, I started deadlifting almost nothing, like just a plate and just been slowly working up. So at first I'm like, well, I don't need straps

to deadlift 135 pounds. Then I just kept going and I'm at a certain point in the 300s, I'm like, well, now I just have to see how long I can just hold this. Because I was doing it for every set and then eventually somewhere at like 365, I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna do this for the first set and then I'm gonna wear straps after that

because it's getting, just my hands are hurting from it in a way that I don't even like. So then I've just been doing my first set every time and a couple weeks ago at 405 Yeah, felt harder than 415 felt this week because I was like I'm gonna really I really want to lock in like I'm actually Those things that it can be really easy to yeah, you know It is that good gauge of like how energized you are because you're tired grip grip goes in a hurry Yeah, so next week

I'm gonna try 425 and see if I can get that first set of 10 I actually thought 415 is where I wouldn't be able to do it So I don't know if 425 will or not, but I'm gonna just try really hard What do you see if I can do what do you think you could do for a double overhand single? I don't know It'll probably find out eventually because what I once I get done with tens here I'm gonna drop down to I'm just gonna I'm just Drop peeling some reps off. I'll probably do eights for a while and then like as my ACL is building up

I'm gonna keep lowering the reps scheme and increasing the weight just very I mean you think so you could I think I've done over 500 before oh for double overhand you have yeah Oh, okay. Well, what's also tricky is like I sometimes I've done it on a deadlift bar and that's right easier yet So if I did a deadlift bar, I'm sure I can do over 500 Wow But I'm only doing the Texas power but like that's another niche of the my Ultra stupid and people are saying so for people that don't know most power bars are 29 millimeters Yeah, the Texas power bar is 28 and a half which you do feel like you can notice it But a Texas deadlift bar is 27 millimeters and all which is a part of that matter

Which you can definitely feel the difference between 29 and 27 when you're when you're on those and the 27 the smaller around is a lot easier to hang on to Yeah, and I don't know maybe as for sets of 10, maybe it's different. Maybe it wouldn't even matter Maybe if I go to deadlift bar, it would be the same right when you're talking that many reps Yeah, right. I don't even know if it would be I'm not I don't even actually know at this point or what if I did the 29 What you know if I had the 29 millimeter Texas power bar would I be able to do it for 10 still? I'm not sure that you'd only be able to do five or something right that half one of the meter is just where the line is Well and another difference is our our old 28 a half millimeter the nerling is not sharp on them like those bars

Hold on used. Yeah Like our 29 has a lot sharper nerling would that make it easier? I don't know. Maybe it would just make it harder. Maybe it would make it hurt more. So that's why I'm doing that though. I'm not purely just like, oh, what can I get for a 10 rep? It just kind of fits nicely into what I'm doing here. I wish you were like last year at this time

where you were completely healthy. I really want to know what your limit of double overhand is. I probably will just, I mean, it might be like months from now, but I will find out at some point in time. That's what I'm saying. I probably will just, I mean, it might be like months from now, but I will find out at some point in time. That's what I'm saying, I don't want to wait that long. I want to know right now. Right, yeah.

Let's see my, I'm not really interested in, so I don't want to push the leg side of it. Yes, yes, and I don't blame you one bit there. Otherwise I would be doing it now just to see because like it's not going to be a max out, it's just going to be a grip max out. It is. Maybe at some point in time I'll do it just for the because of those reasons do you feel like really a max out it's just a grip

mix oh yeah do you feel like you're in comparison to overall strength is your grip as good as it's been down up like where do you feel like that's at if you had to get feel like I've been messing around with more things of it it's maybe getting a little better okay because I've been messing around with more things of it. It's maybe getting a little better. Okay. Cause I've been really messing with that Thomas inch dumbbell. Oh yeah. Messing with the blobs more and more. Cause I really want to get the half 90. I, my grip must be getting a little better because I got so I can get the half 80

all the time and I've never done the half 90, but like this last week for the first time I'm like, Oh, like every time when I tried the half 90 in the past I'm like, oh, there's no way that's like That's not even close to seeming like I'm gonna grab it and like this other day I'm like, ah, I'm like moving it and it's like becoming, you know The weight is coming like kind of off the ground and I'm like, ah, maybe I can Actually get this at some point. So I maybe from just the dinking around with grip stuff It is actually getting a little bit better. Yeah, I can see that.

But then again, I don't know. It's hard to say. It's harder to measure than just like how much it is. It is. How much is your deadlift? It is, because there's so many conditions of, oh, was there chalk involved? Was there not chalk involved?

Right. Did you do a heavy workout before that? Were you fresh when you did it? Right right and like the things I'm doing are Like the deadlift thing is so I'm like how much can I do for ten reps? on a Texas power bar like it's so stupid But I'm like, I don't even know where that like how I would compare that to anything in the past Because I also think like that not of 10 on deadlift too.

It's just so many. Right. But my deadlift is where I'm like, cause I was so focused about the grip, I wasn't even really thinking about the set and then I got done and I'm like, oh, my knee must be getting better like 415 for a set of 10.

Dude, I wasn't even thinking about the deadlift. I was just thinking about my grip. I was just smoking after 415 for a set of 10. Yeah. wasn't even thinking about the dead I was just thinking about my grip after 415 for a set of 10 I I would I that would be hard for me and I was just thinking about my poor fingies The old meat hooks not concerned about the lifting part. Yeah. Oh I guess that's my training update. Yes. Well, that's I want to talk about the grip thing What I want is for someone else to do like four twenty five for a set of ten on a bar bar that way I'm like now. I really have to try it now. I'm like, yeah someone's set the bar higher that more

Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up though. Cuz when I saw the videos like this is actually one of the crazier things Cuz it just feels like it's not even in the ballpark of possibility for me Yeah, and I really don't have no reference point because nobody does it Like that. I don't even know what well like I'm like maybe my heart is like everyone. No one's trying right dad, right? I'm like maybe this is good or maybe it's terrible. Nobody would even really know That's kind of the thing about grip. Nobody really knows. There's so many obscure little things you can do. I'm not that good at that grip thing.

I'll just do this other one. I'm kind of okay. I'll do the other one. Yeah. Then of other odd training things I was doing today, I used the Black Widow Axle to do my bench with. I saw that, I got kinda jealous watching that. It started making me think like,

oh maybe I do need an axle. I have no idea why I did that today. Like I was just had close grip bench and I was just like, I just wanna use that today. Cause I've been sticking so by the book of my, you know what I've been doing. I'm just like, ah, this will be my, one way to mix it up just a little.

This will be my spicing it up as I'm using an axle. People like to do that fat grip benching though, you know, like that is one thing. People like getting a different bar in there for bench. I couldn't say it felt markedly different on my shoulders or anything like that, but maybe over a long term it would. But it was fun to use something different. That's what it's all about.

That's what it's all about. Doing something a little bit different. What was your training this week? On Juggernaut AI. Yes, did squats on, or I've only done squats, I'm a little behind, so I'll do my last two workouts Thursday and Friday this week, but squats was a top set of six at 395 I think

So almost 400 I was I really thought about going to 405 because it's like that one I'm like 395 but I was feeling very tired Going into it. I had been gone over the weekend and so I hadn't been sleeping in my bed and things like that one. I'm like, ah 395, but I was feeling very tired Going into it. I had been gone over the weekend. And so I hadn't been sleeping in my bed and things like that. So like yeah I'll take it easy and Take it easy. So I did three and I felt great and all my all my sets after that actually my drop-down sets All felt great, too. Yeah, I think last week. I don't know if it was like I'd tell you this after being that Jugees The lesson I took away was boogs is and all the guys is like no

There's a time where you just need to ha you just need to horse cock the way it's like dude. I agree There's a time for good fans kind of a look and all that that I've thinking about too and overthinking it But at a certain point, yeah You just need the reminder and the reality check that now you just got a horse cock these weights like it's you just you just got to show up and just whip them around like you're the boss and Have that attitude and that's just how it needs to be sometimes and that's what? Massanomics gym was for the first five years. It's just a bunch of guys that Can have you know nearly nothing about programming and knew just goddamn Horse cocking heavy loads.

Nearly nothing about programming and they were just horse cocking it every day and getting a lot stronger all the time from it. Got pretty damn strong considering the programming and the methods we were doing at the time and really having no like real expert of like, this is what you need to like, there wasn't a guy with a 2000 pound total being like,

well, this is how you do it. It was just like, well, we're just kind of winging it and just dudes horse cocking heavy loads. Guys were getting thick and guys were getting strong and it was fun. And yeah, you need sometimes just need that refresher to see guys doing that and be like, yes, that is what it's all about.

That is what makes us fun. And so I had that feeling for all of my lifting last week and it felt great. And just trying to carry the horsecock mentality through these training sessions as the weeks go on now. That's what I've been thinking about too. I agree. I don't know.

Was that hard? Or is it just like, that's kind of the number I'm used to. Because if I really think about it, maybe it's not that hard. And I'm not saying I'm geeking out, cranking music to 1,000 and taking as much pre-workout as I can and going crazy. I'm getting a little more hyped up than normal. But then I think about it, I'm like, yeah, maybe I just haven't been hyped up enough lately, too.

That's kind of exactly what I was thinking. Maybe I've been keeping a little too even keel. You kind of give yourself an out, like, oh, no. I keep keep this all even keel and I save it for when you're real and then I'm like Well, maybe you do on average just need to be a less a little less even keel all the time Yeah, like your loads are always your horse cock slightly higher loads all the time that does add up, right? You know like get used to the higher loads and then you're also used to a little higher level stimulation So then you like then you can go to an even higher level stimulation because now you're you've acclimated to stimulation So that's the same exact thing. I've been thinking about that like I'm like no maybe I am to

Call because I kind of get to where I'm like no I just this is a marathon and it's just like doing the reps doing doing the weight, doing, and you just, it's accumulation over time. But then I do think you can get too much in that where you're like, no. Especially like if you're, cause if you're not like dinged up or anything and like things are going good, it's like, oh, maybe it is different if you're injured

or you're fighting stuff like that. But that is the beauty of a gym is that when you're in a gym, you realize there's levels to this. Right. And I'll never forget. Actually, I'll say I'll never forget. And then I'll go, I actually can't remember the details. So I clearly forgot, but there was a time in Masonomics gym where. I I'm pretty sure I was trying to do like sets at like two 75.

I was probably trying to like five sets of three at two 75, which for me at the time was like one of my heaviest sets ever. And I remember being like, Oh, I like kind of psyched up for the day and like kind of you know A little anxiety about oh am I gonna get this whatever and then I'm pretty sure is that same day I saw Ross bench like 415 or 440 or 420 for a set of like five and just smoked it and I'm like I'm over here worried about like 275 and then I was like, okay I gotta like man up

and actually just do this damn thing and quit, quit like letting this. And then it's like, yeah, and you blow through it. And you're like, and then also like, you know, I mean, you were doing the same thing when you guys were like benching over 400, like every week. And it's like, oh yeah, like the level of intensity and the level of effort here is way different

than what it requires for my sets of mid 200s. And then it was like, yep, yep, I can, I can a hundred percent bring the intensity, bring the effort way more than what I, and to be, to be fair, like I was going hard, but then like, no, there's like, there's like extra gears that I didn't know. And then like, once you, once you're aware of those gears exist, you can kind of go to those gears. And after spending a week with like Boogs and Joey and Jujie and Mikey and all them doing that, once you once you're aware those gears exist you can kind of go to those gears and After spending a week with like Boogs and Joey and Jujie and Mikey and all them doing that like and mark. It's like oh, yeah I've it's been a while since I've seen those gears dust it off. Yeah, I forget those are there Yeah, you can access those a little more than what I'm used to Yeah, and I think it would be good for people to be more aware of that in general

I think so too You can also get trapped into it too much, probably on a lift that you think you're not as good at. If you're like, oh, Bench, I'm not as good. Like, I'm not saying you or me or anyone. But I mean, I get if you're like, oh, Bench, I'm not as good at. Yeah. Or deadlift. I'm not as good at it.

So then you're like. Almost subconsciously bringing less intensity to it. Well, this, you know, this is like not a lift I you know, I just this isn't my lift, you know So then you're like more laid back on the lift to begin with and then you're watching mark Zurcher deadlift off a deficit 500 pounds on a tsunami bar Yeah, and it's like oh, he's like six five like me just getting into that position Even didn't tell me to lift the weight just getting that position.'d be like no, I can't do that and then watching this guy

Several inches taller than me lift 500 pounds off the ground do it and I'm like, oh Yeah, maybe I maybe I'm just being a little bit too much of a baby around these weights I just need to be a little just need to be a little tougher with these things when it comes right lift Yeah, I think that's good. Some words of wisdom. That's good sets and reps talk that we picked up on. That's probably the realest thing we learned from that trip is that we took away from that.

I think. That is, that is. Yeah, that's the takeaway. Go horse cock some heavy loads this week, people. Maybe go watch a Boogs video too for a little inspiration. I've been watching more of them. Oh, I have too. He's got his format figured out. It is good. Go watch a maybe go watch a boogs video too for a little inspiration. I've been watching more of them He's got his format figured out it is good. I like he reviewed the gym

The entire time oh that was the video I said I'm like I needed like some glute ideas Yeah, and he had this video and then boogs is doing it. Yes. And it was like a nine minute video. And he never talked about it. The last like 20 seconds, he does one exercise. He's like, yeah, I mean, that one's pretty good, but not as good as this one. And he's like, guys, this has to, we'll have to do this another time. And he's like, nine minutes in going crazy

for all nine of them. And the title didn't even address the title of the video. I liked too, he was talking, the spudding safety spot. Cause he's been using that a lot. That was one that we used to advertise on the podcast too. Yep, yep. And I guess it's worth saying the Jujimufu, the first two Jujie videos have come out about,

I don't think that's been since the last time it recorded. So go to the Jujimufu YouTube channel and check out the deadlift Competition that we did and then also the cyber truck deadlift. Mm-hmm Some really wild comments on the cyber truck deadlift YouTube video Yeah, I don't even think we can give the comment. I don't even know if we can even touch that right now. Yeah Go through the intricacies of that at the moment. And then there'll probably be more videos from there coming out and check out our YouTube channel, the Beyond Power of Ultra posted this last week, this one's

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