Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 471: IPF Knee Sleeve Ban: The Latest Powerlifting Drama

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! website, everything mass anomics. Welcome back everyone. We're here buckled up for episode 471 of the mass dynamics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing, just finished up another banger of a pre show. Now it's time for show show. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. What do you, we really brought the heat on the pre-show. I am feeling warm right now. We brought so much heat.

I'm warmed up and ready to go. Oh, man. That's like loose as a goose after a pre-show like that. You just, just the number of people in there. There's like a party in there. We had Goldeneye music playing. We had the Natty anthem just getting everyone operate into it. Oh, it's like a party in there. We had gold nine music playing We had the Natty anthem just getting everyone in the zone It was a good time. They don't call it the pre show for no reason, dude I almost didn't want to leave but then I remembered you can't have a pre show unless you have an actual show So we had to get to it. Yeah, it's just like the after party the after party after the party You gotta have the party to have the after party exactly

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Thanks, Texas power bars. We really do have a hard time to remember what we talked about on the pre show and what we're talking about now. But we have a lot of topics to cover this week. This actually, as far as topics go, might be the single most we've ever had sitting in here. Some of them we will not cover, but you never know, we might get through a lot of these. Could be a topic PR on episode 471.

Finally took us until episode 471 to get to all these topics, and we're gonna do it, I think. Can we start with a certain topic that I want right away? And that is absolutely what you're drinking over there because I am very thirsty. I got, I don't know what, got so many cameras going. I don't know what camera you can and can't see this on,

but I got one right here in this drink spotter. It's red one. Cola, cola, cola. Nicola. I'll tell you what, I looked in the fridge. I see these good and gather watermelon lime sparkling waters. I don't know if I ever had these But the name sounds delicious right off the bat So first sip right here That's pretty damn good yeah, yeah, that's for territory for sure. Oh, that's I mean it had a lime in it

You know, there's lime in the flavor. It's almost a just I mean It's almost bad if it's less than a four and this easily lives up to four height I've had several good good good good good and gathers good good good good and gathers. I Would say I think their packaging sucks. I just I think we talked about this how it looks kind of generic in a weird way Yeah, yeah, I don't like the G on it. I don't like the silver ness of the can It's a little off-putting. There's only one. There's only one silver bullet in your mind and it's not a you gather You can't judge a book by its cover though. That's what I've always said. It'll just remind me of something speaking of early 2000s beer marketing

Do you remember when Miller Lite had the vortex bottles? Do you remember that marketing around that someone just sent me that like within the last week? Did somebody send it to you to the same person sent me a meme of it? It was like Chad. Maybe it was Ryan that sent it to someone sent it to me Okay, I think no, I love you. Oh, miss you all. I think, no, I think Chris Hornick just sent me a Vortex bottle any like a week or two ago and goes, do you remember these?

And I'm like, I completely forgot about that, but you just unlocked a core memory of the Vortex bottle. I'm pretty sure I was like 10 when those came out. I don't know for sure. I'm guessing I was like 10. Drinking beer was not in my mind at all, but I remember seeing that. And for who that have no idea what we're talking about, Miller Lite had this marketing campaign where they actually made bottles that had like a... A rifling. Yeah, like a rifling, like a, like a vortex spiral engraved inside the neck of the bottle. And it was supposed to like make you have the perfect pour of beer

or something like that. I don't know. Make you drink the beer faster, whatever it was. And, uh, I remember the time being 10 and thinking, Oh, that's fricking sweet, man. And having no idea why. Yeah. But they were gone too soon. Never got a chance to try it went out. I can't, I don't know that I've got a chance to try went out. I Can't I don't know that I've ever had a vortex bottle or not. I can't remember I mean, I certainly remember it but maybe I was 10 too. I just don't I don't recall there was someone brought up the wide-mouth It was the wide-mouth cans You know, there's a wide-mouth cans and then didn't Coors light do a thing where they had I think so the venting like it was

Slot or something. I remember that. I miss when beer companies just all admitted that their light beers are the same and would market based on the technology of their beverage holders. It's like, who can get this beer into your mouth faster? Like we just have to be the company that, like we have to take this problem that's not broken and make you believe that we have the technology to get beer into your mouth faster. We used to be a proper country. And then the vented, the vented wide mouth.

You know how you know that none of that stuff really matters? Cause no one did not. Doesn't matter to anyone. Yeah. The mountains blue on Coors light. Do they not do that with anyone. Yeah the Mountains blue on Coors light. Do they still do that? That's a good question, too I feel like they do the mountains are blue. That means it's cold, right? Uh-huh They don't but they don't talk about that ever anymore. Do they I? Don't know which makes I don't think that it's not a thing if they're not talking about it ever

Unless they've just taught the consumer to just know to look for those blue mountains, they don't have to mention where everyone gets it. It kind of does make you think we used to be a proper frickin country though, like you said, does the R&D into light beer packaging has just got all downhill the last 20. Yeah, when beer marketing used to just be,

they minded their own business and they just, just advertise stupid drinking, drinking containers. And the twins. With the twins. Take me back. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah. So that's our can segment for this week. Good to get a good good fresh can in the drink spotter. What are you are you resting on that on a coaster?

You know it three quarter inch rubber made in America. Genuine coaster horse around two update. It is the first steps of the process have begun. So there will be a second round of coasters. It's official. It's a very, very labor intensive process. We're talking thousands of man hours to make these things. Yeah.

A lot of coaster. They're in the works though. So they're coming back. It's official. They are actually going to come back Okay. Oh God what do we even jump into first? I Chris Daminger put this in here the Bud Light Party Ball the beer ball Oh, man, I forgot about those things. That's great. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. I just that brought me I saw that too That is good. That's spuds McKenzie up there to Scant has really old beer marketing

Just remember whenever you say we used to be a proper country someone someone's that vision of that is just 50 years before you It's like what you guys are talking about wasn't a proper country. I'll tell you what was a proper Shit I'll tell you when things were friggin proper. Turns out things are always proper just when you were 20. There goes downhill ever since when every generation was 20. That's when things were proper to culture. Yeah.

Okay. We got a lot of stories here. Oh, first I want to kick off by this is sort of supporting our sporting members, but it's lot of stories here. Oh, first I wanna kick off by, yeah, this is sort of supporting our sporting members, but it's worthy of its own thing. Big Wade A Day is the winner of Your Mom, the March Madness, Mastinomics only March Madness tournament.

He won first place his prize, grand prize is on the way to him. It's a secret until it gets there. Oh, he doesn't know yet. He shares it. He doesn't know what it is. Oh. He knows that it's not,

but I got had to get his proper address and it's been, it's on the way, but he doesn't know yet. Well, I hope this doesn't spoil anything, but it's a good one. Oh yeah. He's gonna like that thing. It's gonna be make him think

it's a proper country once again. So congratulations on the winning. He did have the national championship picked correctly with Florida. Okay, did you watch, I think you commented the Discord. You watched the North Carolina Duke game, sorry, the Duke- Houston game. Houston game, right?

I did, I did. Man, that was quite the game to watch there. That was. I guess I kind of I Wanted Duke to win and which is an anomaly. I normally wouldn't cheer for I'm in the same Oh, I wouldn't be a Duke Duke fan, but I kind of am a dude I don't know why I typically would cheer for the underdog and I don't know I As much as a one seed could be an underdog, but right right well when you're when the other teams Duke I mean it right you kind of. Well, when the other team's Duke, I mean. Right.

You kind of are still. Even if the other team's better, they're kind of the underdog in a way. Yeah. Actually, even the National Championship game, pretty good game considering. That was a good game too. If you watch, I didn't watch much of the tournament,

but I did pay attention, and there just wasn't that many good games in the tournament in general. And to have two of the final three games be pretty damn good was a good way to end it. Yeah, and the national championship, then I wanted Houston to win. And then of course they did. So I'm like, think of every time I watch

whoever team I start thinking I want to win, then they always lose. It's the old thing, yeah. For some reason, when you always wanna pick the underdog, they never win, what the hell's up with that? It's like, they never win what the hell's up with that They got they kind of win sometimes So congratulations to big Wade that'll probably be an annual thing. I think so. It's an easy one to do set up Yeah, and he does for that win get a check mark on his massonomic supporting member Hall of Fame

checklist so you are one closer to a Hall of Fame Cup big Wade and everyone knows every all the supporting members that have been on the road for the Hall of Fame checklist everyone knows that winning a contest is one of the Most difficult check marks to get to the mass on the community. So that's kind of a special one. It's a big one It's a big one. Okay, what do we want to go to here first? Oh boy. I'll give you a little cottage cheese update. That's actually, that was the one

that was catching my eye there. We're a bit of a cottage cheese podcast for anyone that doesn't know. Great macros. Maybe if this is your first time listening. We often talk about cottage cheese and I've got an important update this week. Yeah, great macros a lot of protein very little fat It's the true superfood in my pretty much just protein. Yeah, so You have tried before the target one that I told you to try right?

Old or more something whatever that is. Yeah, you know the one that we said is a cottage, right? The old home or something like that. Whatever that is. You know, the one that we said is a cottage, but it's not actually a cottage. It's got an old shack on it. Yeah, it's blue. That's been my staple for quite a while now. That was your highest recommendation, yep, yep. Yeah, and I don't know if it's a local target thing,

but they do not have it. The shelves have been empty with it for over a week now. Okay. Like two weeks probably. It's just gone. Well, and with everything going on and everything. Well it's odd. How did she's that? I don't know if it's a dairy product issue or what it is but that does happen from time to time and as someone. Dairy shortages., that's I guess it's because of the bird flu. It must be the cow flu. So that's gone.

So then I'm back to exploring other options. Target also has this good one. It's called good with a lowercase G is like the brand of it. I actually saw I think it was Big Curt this in the Discord recently posted that he had some of this and tried that one, not a winner. It's not horrific, but it's not good. Okay.

It's not, ironically, it is not good. Does not live up to the name. No, it is not good and it is extremely expensive. I actually even went as far as we went to our co-op here in Aberdeen. What's that place called? Oh, Natural Abundance. Yeah, for like a thing of it,

they also had the good brand for like, I don't know if it's like a 10 ounce thing of it there, was $7. Oh my God, no. I would literally go broke. No. From cottage cheese. That's way too much.

That was the only brand that they had and Already tried that not very good Not a huge fan so then You you consume the daisy I get it because I go to Costco and it's the super huge size and the huge size is Like six dollars for it. Yeah, it's not my preferred flavor but at this point I've just Come to live with it and it's fine with me. I can I don't have any yeah

I so I'm I'm Daisy is what I've been rolling with it's been the net I tried a couple other ones too and Daisy's the one I've been rolling with now I will tell you this not too bad one thing you mentioned is how there's a lot of inconsistencies even from same brands. To me, the Daisy one has been incredibly consistent. It feels like I'm getting the same thing every time I eat the Daisy one. You know what I like about the Daisy one,

which this is completely odd, but- There's no liquid to it. Well, that is the biggest selling brand of the Daisy one is it's not liquidy, but an odd thing that I like about the Daisy one is the shape of the curds oh are they dare I haven't even paid close attention oh they're uh they're definitely different but I kind of enjoy the shape of the curds in the day in the daisy brand interesting see I my I actually had a cottage cheese update this week too and that was that I picked up groceries I was

out of cottage cheese and I was at Hy-Vee and I was at Hy-Vee, and I got the Hy-Vee brand, actually Big Garrett was just saying this, I'm a big Hy-Vee fan, he said, the Hy-Vee one is really runny, but flavor-wise, it's pretty good actually for being a generic house brand one. I was pleasantly surprised with how palatable it actually was.

Okay. Anything else on Cutt's Cheese then? I think we covered it. Yeah, so I'm still in the, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that my most recent brand comes back. This is now the second time in my life that I've been a hardcore particular brand

of Cutt's Cheese. Had the rug pulled out from under you. And oh yeah, we've got Kemp's at home is another one, which didn't love the Kemp's. You know what cottage cheese I like frequently is generic buffet cottage cheese. A lot of buffets end up having really good cottage cheese. The Pizza Ranch one is surprisingly good. The Pizza Ranch has excellent cottage cheese, but and I'm like

Oaks or whatever the you know some food distributor is Yeah, it's got to be something comes in like a frickin ten gallon gallon. Yeah, just buckets, but a lot of times It's pretty good My kids love going to pizza ranch and I have found that their cottage cheese is surprisingly good. I would have never guessed. I agree, they have. The first time I got it, I thought,

this can't be that good. And I was thinking, am I crazy or am I just hungry? What's going on? And after doing it enough times, I was like, nope, nope, it's proven itself. It is just good. Okay, so that's the cottage cheese update for this week at least.

Yes, actually along those lines of weekly updates, I do have one more thing to report on Ford Freestyles. I have seen so many Ford Freestyles in the last week. It's crazy. Are you sure they weren't Taurus Xs, though? I actually can't confirm that. I cannot. The one, have you ever seen the one

in it's some type of green color? Yeah, someone, there's nine colors. People have been sharing the, I told someone if they could get a selfie with all nine colors that will be a Hall of Fame check mark. They can get a selfie with all nine Ford Freestyle colors. Yeah, the green one I saw the other day, I didn't know that was an option and I wondered if it was a Taurus X because the green that I'm seeing for Freestyle was not the green that I saw Okay, I was thinking wow that green color seems much more premium than I would ever expect on a freestyle

Yeah, and then I saw a maroon colored one. I'm just good. Oh, yeah for freestyle maroon Yep, that one pops up instantly the one I saw And then I feel like I saw a really beat up blue ish one and like a really yeah Yeah, no, it wasn't like a bright forward up blue-ish one and like a really faded, yeah. No, it wasn't like a bright forward blue. It was more of a kind of a gray blue. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but they're out and about.

So you have been seeing more freestyle. I doubted it and now I see those suckers everywhere. It took a cut. You know what? It's probably not the weather's nice. People aren't afraid to bust them out anymore. They're wintering them. Yeah, everyone's been saving them for the it's my

brother-in-law was just over and it's funny too he goes I see those all the time now it turns out Ford Friisell was America's number one selling car like 2006 and none of us knew it Ford is like scrap it We can't give the people what they want, but everyone says that same thing though It's like it's such an odd car and then once you know to look for it I'm like, oh there's all the stretch after you got it. I was looking for him so hard for a month I didn't see him and now in the last couple weeks. They're just they're everywhere Wow You didn't get that box yet. Did you? Oh, I got it right here actually.

Have you opened it? Oh, it's right here. This little one? Yeah, I think we should. This is a What's in Tanner and Tommy's sack segment. I better get my opening tool here. Yeah, Tommy, I know what's in the box, but Tommy does not yet know what is in the box.

So this is a true sack segment. We got a little surprise. This was sent in to us and I won't spill the beans. I'll let Tommy get first look at us, but I don't even know where that. It doesn't even tell me who this is from. No. Oh, well, actually, it tells me it's from you, but I don't know. Outside of Tanner sending this in the mail anything about this package Wow, I gotta give you props this thing sealed up pretty good

Am I allowed to open it yet? Oh He's got a say okay got your headphones on am I allowed to open this yet? Oh, yeah I thought maybe already did okay. Okay. I'm just opening the box now. Okay. We have some type of little bottle. Oh We got the RP or what's so the genius shots? Yeah, who's uh is I mean doctor? Yeah, dr. Mike. It's there They're behind these Nick. Yeah, so big Nick big Nick sent these to us from RP the genius shots It's their new 23 grams of protein It comes in like a bottle that you yes, what do we get is comparable like a five-hour energy three point three eight ounces

that you'd get here. Because comparable to like a five hour energy. 3.38 ounces. So you could take it on an airplane, I would bet. Oh, hell yeah. Just get all protein'd up on the airplane. And macros, it's got 23 grams of protein. Yeah. And there's two flavors,

at least they sent us two flavors, blue raspberry and orange cream. Very nice. And I like the marketing with Dr. Mike on it here. What the hell, I didn't get one of those. Well, I didn't send this to you because it wouldn't fit in that little box. And there's a lot that is backed by research,

so that's how you know. It's science-based, you could say. Yeah, they perfected protein by the numbers with genius shot. Nick did tell me some other, you know, secret things about where exactly from Mike's body this comes from, where they extracted it from. Yeah. So I don't know if everyone wants to hear those gory details, but how they milked it out of him. Yeah.

So should we try one or? Yeah, let's do it. What flavor do we go with first? I want to do the orange cream. You want to do the orange cream? Mike's orange cream? Here's a thing of mine. Maybe I'll be, I might be pleasantly surprised by this one when we

try it, but blue raspberry is not one of my favorite, like it's a very common flavor for all these things. But for protein is it though? Well, I don't know about protein. I just like pre workouts and all this stuff. Like I'm like, why do what is blue raspberry? First of all, I have you ever had a blue raspberry? No, I don't know. It's extremely common flavor. I know. It's I don't know what

that comes from. But I probably taste delicious. But the orange cream one I'm much more excited. I'm also also not huge. That's right up my alley. I'm very curious what these are like before we get into them, because if you were to ask me my preferred protein flavors, I'm going to pick chocolates and vanillas, things like that, not fruit. Sugar-free, ready to go. No mixing or shaker required.

I don't know if you need to shake the bottle at all. I've just been shaking mine up because it's just natural to me, but yeah. All right. Going for the first sip here. Over the lips, down the blah, blah, blah, walk out tummy, here it comes. Okay. That's good.

That's actually, I'm just so in my head expecting a protein shake. Yeah. That my brain is more complete. It seems lighter than that. I'm not sure I would, if you gave this to me and you told me what this is, I don't think protein anything would come to mind actually. 90 calories in this thing. I'm just so caught off guard.

I was expecting like a protein-y, you know, kind of a whey based feeling drink and that's not what this is about. A bit nutty. It's a bit nutty. Austin, it is shit. Yeah, that's totally palatable. I was, I wasn't sure. Yeah, it is good. I wasn't sure how they would make that work, but I can say that that actually is good

But it is a bit nutty Austin That's from the first Austin Powers, yes Maybe the second one actually. After they wake him up, I think. That's good. Yeah, I like that. So the genius shot.

It's genius. Yeah, I could. Okay, do products like this even exist? I don't know. Might be a market trendsetter I'm impressed Yeah, I would if we were on the road for massonomics as we are frequently these days You know macros get thrown out the window

Yeah, having some of these would just be a great way to hit those macros when you're on the go true true Especially on the road, right? Oh This is what you do. You leave your house You throw ten of these and ten of these in a bag with ten pure protein bars You don't got to eat for two straight days. You're just three days. You're just good. Just pure protein I might just start doing that now. I'm no longer going to consume food I might just start doing that now. I'm no longer going to consume food I'm just having this ten of these 230 grams of protein and you're at 900 calories for the day

It is what Nick and dr. Mike said we can do we no longer have to eat food We just get to have this it is a complete meal complete dietary Replacement and complete in the way that it is purely protein and nothing else complete meal, complete dietary replacement, and complete in the way that it is purely protein and nothing else. Actually, there's a little sodium. So your sodium levels are there. Yeah, that's true.

You want a little sodium. You want a little sodium. Little, but not too much. You don't want to overdo it. All right. Very good. Genius shot shot good little good little sac segment, huh? I like that. Yeah, that's good All right. Do we want to talk strongest person, you know? generally story Well strong person, you know, it's gonna tie into lifting at Bryce's and actually my training in general. So that's okay

That's a whole different topic there Okay, I can tell you I'll tell you a generally story here. I just this is this is kind of like a Facebook marketplace story Yeah, and this closes this actually plays into Actually a massonomics origin story This is this closes a very big loop in my life Actually that I needed confirmation on and it was in fact confirmed this past weekend. So, oh sorry, I need a little carbonated water there.

All right, so put those weights on. Put some items for sale in the Discord. Crew member, Jenellie mentioned she wanted the plates. Her and also crew member, generally mentioned she wanted the plates, her and also crew member Jonathan. Yep. Her and her husband, Jonathan, we're in town to the crew. Welcome. Yes. Yes. They were in town in Sioux falls this past weekend. They came and picked the plates up and it's great when people pick up stuff on a weekend because I could just sit and chat with them for like an

hour, which is what I did. And we were talking and all right, I won't get too into the details because this will get too long. But there was a name. But the reason I moved to Aberdeen in the first place was because I took a job at a printing company in Aberdeen. That's why I was out of college. I was looking for a job. What's close? What's in the area that would take a job? And so this Aberdeen job pops up. I end up getting the job and so I work at this this printing company doing design web stuff all this and One name they kept throwing around a lot there The guys that I worked with was generally they kept mentioning this generally person never once saw her never knew who she was never do

Anything about her and that was that was it like they just mentioned generally and that was the way understood it like 15 years ago I was like 15 years ago. Yeah, it's like 2010 ish and The way understood is because I I got the job because she quit so they needed someone else. So I came in and then finally Generally, you know, she joins the discord Gets into Massenomics all this stuff related to big Grayson. And they pick up these plates and it, it took me a while to think about it. I'm like, generally, where have I heard this name generally before? So it is a unique name.

It's not common. And a lot of people named generally. And so she shows up. I go, okay, I gotta ask you, you know, did you work at this place? And she's like, yeah, didn't you like, did I take your job or something? I'm like, no, ask you, did you work at this place? And she's like, yeah, didn't you, did I take your job or something? I'm like, no, you quit. And that was the reason I moved to town

is because you left and they needed someone to fill it. They put the job opening out there, I took the job. And that is the reason I moved to Aberdeen. I went to move to Aberdeen, if I had no connection, no ties to Aberdeen. And the fact that she quit her job, you could say is part of the reason why Masanomics is here today, so.

Had she never quit that, Masanomics would not exist. Isn't that kind of crazy to think of it? Like that's not, it's not crazy to say like you could have came up with the name Masanomics, would have turned into what it is today, probably not. If a Jenna Lee flaps her wings on the other side of the world, it could mean that massonomics doesn't exist.

Isn't that what that effect is called? The Jenna Lee effect, I believe. That's where it came from. I think there was an Ashton Kutcher movie that talked about this. Yes. Kind of wild though, isn't it? Yeah, that is.

And then Full circle supporting member. Supporting member on top of that. Gym member. But I was gonna feel really dumb when I was like, hey, did you ever work at this place? And she was like, what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, she's like, no, I've never even heard of that place. Yeah, so, but that's the beauty of Mastodomics.

They showed up, never met either one of them. Next thing you know, we're talking for like an hour and their kids are banging on the windows saying mom and dad Let's go you guys are taking too long And classic yeah, yeah, so you did you did you? Charge them extra for the plates then like ah for you guys charge and double not only that I not charge them extra I even threw in a free 45 pound plate for them. That's what you get when you deal with me. Did you have an odd number of 45?

I had an odd, I had three 45s. I'm like, I'm not gonna go through the hassle of selling one 45 pound plate. Here, you guys get an extra one. Big Brian wants to know how many Hall of Fame points do you get for creating Mastodonics? All of them. Yeah, it's a, Anthony said it right. now. You just get one extra 45 pound plate.

And be thankful you got that. Yeah, soon to maybe we'll get a gym tour of there sometime soon. I don't think it's out of the question. I could see that happening sometime here. I don't know why not. What do you think about doing a certified training facility of the week? Oh, hell yeah.

I've been looking forward to this since last week. Me too. Last week was the first week ever of certified training facility of the week. We did Bayou Barbell down in Florida. Great one to kick off the party. And some people have sent in pictures over the last week because they're like, wait a second, I want you to, I want to be certified. Can't be featured

if you don't got a picture. Yeah. So if for everyone that you know that we have, there's over 200 certified training facilities, if you if you've never checked it out before, go to massonomics.com slash certified, you can see the full map there where they're all pinned on the map, you can see all over the world where they're certified training facilities. And every week, we're just going to pick one just to take a take a gander at and you do have to have

pictures on yours though, so we can take a gander at it. So if you are already a certified training facility, send me a couple pictures of your gym and we'll add them to the map. If you're not a certified training facility yet, what the hell are you waiting for? What part of the country or world do we want to go to this week? That's what I was wondering if you have any. Where in the world is our next certified training facility?

Well, last time we went way southeast, maybe we should go northwest this time. Oh, I like the cut of your jib. west this time. Oh, I like the cut of your jib. All right. How about Coeur d'Alene? Ooh, you're familiar. Yes. We're going to go to actually been there before. Have you? Yeah.

I think it's a pretty cool area from what I know. I know everyone in my family, but me has been there actually I think so I Didn't get to go on the Coeur d'Alene trip, but I thought Idaho. It's very close to Washington. I was there Yeah, I think it's cool cool spot. So if we go to Coeur d'Alene, let's look at the Lyft Clinic And I picked this just because you said Northwest and I just scanned to the Northwest and the first one I clicked on has a picture So we are going to look at the Lyft Clinic in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Have you found the Lyft? I have found it. How do you make that picture bigger? For me, if I just call it gets bigger. Yeah, I got it. Okay. So secret was clicking on it.

Compute your tech guys with your secrets. And this is Big Wesley's gym, huh? Big Wesley does say that crew visitors are welcome So if you're in in quarter lane, look up the Lyft Clinic also big Wesley competing this summer at the lift hard live easy classic three oh Yeah, okay. So I'm taking a look here. We got one picture to go off. We got one photo I would say very clean setup this Yeah, this platform. What's this deadlift platform here? It's square that looks almost like an Olli platform It does yeah, it's square might be like an eight by eight. It looks like he has eight by eight Yeah, is it like carpet tiles on here? Yeah, or some type of

So that looks really nice the plat the rack Is that a rack that attaches to the wall was that folded down onto the to the only platform? Yeah, that must be a rack A wall mounted rack and then we got yeah, we got kilo power lifting plates. We got I can't we can't tell the brand Can you tell if you look at the ones on the right hand side that are underneath the bottom of that shelving? Over there until the brand. Oh, I zoomed in as far as I could and it freaked out No, I can't quite it looks like it says fitness maybe but I can't quite sure if that's what it says or not, okay This is the lift clinic because he's one of the crew Doc's

This is the lift clinic because he's one of the crew docs. Ah, OK. So there's a doctor in the house. Yes, there is. Very good usage of wall space. He has those Rubbermaid wall mount things. I see a Darko Shorty bar. I see lots of different collars, lots of attachments. He's got really awesome storage.

Yeah. Even on the side, you know that. Yeah, for all the rogue tripods on the side of the wall there. He has quite the collection of tripods in my tripods. It's board presses, of course. I'm pretty sure, hasn't he posted in his gym? Don't we have more photos of this somewhere? I feel like I've seen this one before.

Yeah, if you look closely on, I believe that's a tool chest on the right side. Yeah, doesn't the gym go around the corner there? Up above that, you see that heavy mug that he has there? Oh, yeah. And then also, there's a drink spotter mounted Yeah, particularly on that That that other thing that's on top. I know he sent me a picture of that before and he's got the drink spotter caution sign

Up there, too He's got some bit wall balls He's got the skierg the concept. Yeah, I don't see that a ton I mean, I know it's a popular item, but you don't see a lot of home gyms that have that Really really this also looks like it is in an out building it possibly the garage, but it's it's a Angled ceiling, you know, it doesn't have a an even suspended ceiling in there Yeah, so it's maybe a separate building or possibly garage shop sort of thing really really nice looking by this picture Yeah, I see Oh, yeah, and then a fan see they've got so much stuff on the walls. It's all very clean though

I miss it the first time that these barbells hanging on the left. There's a Bamboo bar there. There's some more barbells hidden on the side So yeah, all mounted heater back behind there. Yeah, it looks like he's got an electric heater up there There is a little, yeah, just a little loadable dumbbell. Yeah, lots of good stuff. I'm pretty sure he put more photos of this in the Discord. I thought I remember checking this out one day because I thought there was more that I was really, really analyzing because I liked his whole setup. It's really, really nice.

Like just based on one picture, you can tell like this is a really cool gym. So the most important question though Tommy do you think you could get strong there? Oh Hell yeah, you can get very strong there strong there. Yep get strong there for sure So that is our certified training facility of the week the Lyft clinic You'd like to get featured on certified training facility of the week have a certified training facility Have photos on it, and you get photos on there by sending them to us

And I can't wait to see you next week. This is becoming one of my new favorite segments hmm Because I have a rule that I can't ever look at these This is the only time I ever get to look at the certified training facility Yeah, so it's like oh I get to check it out. I have to wait a week now to see any of these again. I can't wait to decide what part of the country we're going to go to next week. Well, we did the Northwest this week,

so maybe we should do the Southeast next week. OK. Just keep bouncing between the two. Let's go to Florida. We're only going to review Pacific Northwest and Florida. That's it. OK. You were only going to review Pacific Northwest and Florida. Yeah, that's it. OK, well, should we do supporting our supporting members, actually, also?

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And at the end of the day, the supporting membership program is one of the biggest things that keeps Mastinomics going forever and ever and ever. We like to give back to those. So this week, the Lift-A-Thon went on in Vermillion at USD, one of Canada's top business schools. Big Garrett put on the Lift-A-Thon there. There were several crew members in attendance.

We had Big Garrett, of course, competed. Big Sydney lifted. Big Bryce was there judging. Big Lou was there spotting and judging. Big Jake was there judging. Big Paul was there competing. Big Anthony was there competing. And big Dr. Jake from State Farm was there competing. A couple of them I had numbers on. I think Jake won with a 1,400 pound total. Belt beltless total big Anthony had a 415 squat to 65 bench and a 560 deadlift. Big Paul had a 635 deadlift. What would you say his deadlift was?

560. He's Anthony slowed down over there, man. Yeah. Give that guy a golden peep or a bronze PP and there's no stopping him and get a bronze PP in that guy's hand and then he just rip and dead lifts off. Yeah, Garrett and Sydney also lifted not positive on their numbers, but also just looked like a lot of fun and that like a crew hangout where they all went out and ate afterwards. I don't know the full story, but it sounds like Bryce had an

entire loaf of bread. Then big Scott competed at the Beast of the East. And he got first in his open middleweight category on he actually won sword adjacent award he won a trident. Oh, I don't think we've ever talked about winning a trident have we that he won a Trident. Oh, okay. I don't think we've ever talked about winning a Trident, have we? That's pretty good, yeah. Yeah.

Big Derek and Big Bo and we're also there and they got a crew picture. It's fun, there's lifting events going on all across the nation. Oh, and people just know to meet up with people there. It's so common for there's a crew meetup. It's like almost every one, it seems like there's like a few crew there,

which makes sense. Pretty much every state, if there's an event going on in a major city, there's a good chance there's like a few crew there, which makes sense. Pretty much every state. If there's a event going on in a major city, there's a good chance there'll be several. Yeah. Big Eric Sampson competed at King of the North won a big Dave also big Dave and big Katie made meat that they run not the left hardly easy classic, of course, but still a very solid meat and he competed there

Dave had a picture that he posted with him Big Dan eager Competing a pro-am strongman show. I think his Tri-City Pro-Am so good job big Dan Big Darko had the anchor on rogue's website now Yeah, he was out at rogue and his product is on on the rogue page. So that's pretty cool Yeah, he was out at rogue and his product is on on the rogue page. So that's pretty cool Big Bryce was competing in the macro factor transformation challenge and he's lost 26 pounds so far and Big Evan competed in his first strongman show and got second place in his class Congrats and getting out there and competing the macro factor transformation challenge Can you still use discount code massonomics when he signed up for macro factor?

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So the IPF sleeve drama that's been the talk of the town hasn't it it has time this comes out I suppose it's you know you've probably heard quite a bit about it, but it is uh But I know the world's waiting for our take on it. That's right. Everyone's like we can't move on We've heard everyone else's take we cannot move on until we hear their take on what does Mastinomics think about it closure damn it. What are those idiots think about this? So what is the rundown for anyone that doesn't know or hasn't been paying attention or that potentially doesn't care that much We're gonna make them we're gonna make them care. Okay, the really high level I don't want to get into too many details very high level on this is that

Knee sleeves there was I believe inzer introduced the stiff knee sleeve what was it two years ago in zur pro or whatever yeah whatever they're called there's I mean there's more than likely if you if you power lift it you probably know someone that has a pair if you don't have a pair yourself and maybe they're not the insers but that was the that's inspired a lot of people to a seven had ones I think like the rear mortise knee sleeves. Well, Pioneer's not IPF approved. I don't know, man.

There's a lot of people that make stiff knee sleeves. I don't, see this thing, I don't really care that much about knee sleeves. We've talked about this on the show multiple times, that we like knee sleeves, but we don't obsess about them. And so again, I don't care a ton, but basically that was the thing. In in their care with these new stiff knee sleeves that apparently weren't neopar

actually I'm already putting words in the mouth we'll just say in their care with stiff knee sleeves just this past week out of nowhere the IPF says oh yeah those stiff knee sleeves that we said were approved they're not approved anymore and I think that was basically an overnight decision. Every company had come out with them since then. Yeah, basically. Every single company made a version of those. SBD kind of hadn't. They had like a competition knee sleeve.

Yeah, they're like the only ones that had. But Pioneers, the ones we have. Yeah, but those weren't IPF approved. Was it like Strength Shop? Did they have some? HANSU had some. Yeah, there was a bunch. I mean, just companies that make knee sleeves.

There's a bunch of them out there. Pretty much every one of those companies. Yeah, and so you say, okay, well, the IPF, okay, whatever they cancel, they can do that. Well, where this starts to rub people the wrong way is that when those knee sleeves were submitted for approval in like 2023, they were approved to be on the contract

or to be on the approved equipment list for three years. So through 2026. And at that point, you know, it's that they signed these contracts, it's up to the IPF, I guess, to decide if these people can come back or if they're gonna pay their money, whatever. But they didn't get that far. They just get to, we're in early 2025 right now.

And they just said, nope, it's done. And so, and then also the fact that it was just an overnight thing. It wasn't like, Hey, instead of being done, uh, you know, a year and a half from now, two years from now. It's our year from now it's now done right now. And I know there was some people they're talking about depending on what country you live in. You know, you potentially have your national regional meet

coming up very soon here. And if those are the sleeves you've been training with, I know what country you live in, you know, you potentially have your national or regional meet coming up very soon here. And if those are the sleeves you've been training with, understandable, you'd be really upset and annoyed because you can't use them anymore. And you know, if that's what you're used to, now you gotta figure out, okay, what sleeves do I get? What can I get in time?

Who has them in stock? What's going on? And that's just from the competitor side of things, which is also really annoying. From the manufacturer side of things, if you are an approved manufacturer, for people that don't know this it means you have to pay the IPF a lot a lot a lot of money like tens of thousands maybe even a hundred thousand or

more depending on how many products you're submitting and so these companies from what we can tell paid all this money got approved and then now all of a sudden that money is Was taken but now they're the contract saying that you're good to go is no longer in place. So from the manufacturer's side, they're really upset because they paid this money, they potentially have a lot of stock

because they sell this product, so now that their stock is somewhat invalid to all IPF lifters, that's really annoying for them. And finally, it's the IPF. They already typically don't look good in most things, and this is just another situation where they don't look good again. And that's the quick, that's the abridged version of the situation. Did I miss anything, Tanner?

I think that's good. I would add to your original point, I probably care so little about these knee sleeves that I lived through the entire life cycle of these from coming out until now being banned by the IPF three or four years later and never actually still did get to squat in a pair of them. That's how little I care too soon. I actually competed in a meet in that period of time. Brent, you know, Brandon hooked us up with pioneer. Brandon hooked us up and I could never get them on.

As a matter of fact, I still think the sizing is so weird on those because you know who I end up giving those to? I've probably talked about it. Yeah, wasn't it Leah? Did you say Leah? Leah. Yeah. Like a 130 pound woman. Yeah. You know, like a...

And that was what, yeah. Also like a five, 830 pound, you know, like... Right. Yeah. Yeah. But it's weird because I did the size chart and they fit me perfect. As perfect as... So I don't know if there was just still something with that.

As perfect as knee sleeves that are so tight that they cause you to bleed Are you know right right? But my point there I never have squat. I've never actually Squatted in a pair of them before I've held them in my hands I've tried to put them on like I've almost killed myself trying to put them on but I've never actually but and that was even just Within like the last year almost So before that I'd never even tried to put a pair on Right and there's a lot of there's a lot of things actually talk about here as far as you know

once we broke down the situation the the If you want to really dig into things or go into the conspiracy theories there are there so first of all there's people saying well stiff knee sleeves just get stronger and I Get I mean actually get that to a certain extent. Yeah, OK, it's dumb because we were talking about this is, oh, this is how equip power lifting started. As people said, oh, you can use this piece of gear, and it helps a little bit.

Well, now you can do a second ply. It helps a little bit more. Oh, you can actually throw on this canvas shirt. This helps a little. And it's like, oh, this is exactly how equip power lifting went. I do get that to an extent I

I'm Have the pioneer thick knee sleeves. I do think that they add to your squat. I don't train in those ones ever I have To show you how little we care about knee sleeves I bought when when the only game in town was reband or SBD and when when the only game in town was reband or SPD and Reband was kind of on the way out because that was using air quotes here an inferior product or a less. I Don't know hyped product at the time by the time I got around to buying them I bought the SPDs that was new and that was probably like I don't know 2015 2016 Those are the same knee sleeves. I have to this day like

Don't really they don't really wear out. I mean, maybe they do, but I guess I haven't seen that happening if that's the case. So that's what I have. Brandon was kind enough to send us a pair of the Pioneer ones. They are so insanely tight, and I do think that they add to it that I don't like training

in them regularly. You know, I might have a meet coming up in the next few months here, and I would potentially start wearing those closer to the Pioneer ones. But as far as training goes, I might have a meat coming up in the next few months here and I would potentially start wearing those closer to the meat, the pioneer ones. But as far as training goes, I don't actually enjoy wearing those really, really tight ones. So that's one part of it is that. And, you know, there's the debate of, oh, knee sleeves do too much. You shouldn't wear any knee sleeves. It's raw lifting. But yeah, at a certain point, OK, are we going gonna not allow belts or wrist wraps or anything either like a certain point? It does add a certain level of just like comfort and and I so I'm not of the mentality like all

Equipment has to go away totally like I think that's kind of a dumb argument to have with you stuff Yeah, I'm really at the end of the day. I'm okay with I don't even care whether they are allowed or aren't allowed It's the fishy, like allowing them for a while and then being like, well, ah, no. And obviously here, like the thing is, SBD is the biggest sponsor of the IPF, or presumably dumps ton of money into it. And it sure seems like they said,

we no longer want these to be IPF approved. Yes, and that's the conspiracy theory a lot of people have behind the scenes is that SPD is. I believe that to be true. I don't think hardly anyone doubts that. Yeah, like they have so much money and power. You know, it's like Rogue, when it comes to the Arnold, I, you know, you get the feeling Rogue

can do whatever they want. Like they kind like rogue when it comes to the Arnold I you know, you get the feeling rogue can do whatever they want like they kind of yeah if it comes to if it pertains to equipment at the Arnold rogue's just in charge like they have they have the rules and SPD throws so much money at all this stuff that it's not hard to believe that no SPD gets away more of a call and how Things go than anyone else in this this whole thing and that seems really dumb When to think of sporting activities and to only have one single approved person right it's kind of lame and then also it's like it's powerlifting it's again it's one of those things that's making the moving of metal discs way more political and complicated than it should ever be yeah so that's, you don't want it to be true,

but it just, it seems very convenient that this doesn't really affect SBD at all, but it seems to affect mostly everyone else. It's like, oh, who did that? Just, what are the chances? How did that work out? Just perfect for us guys. And then it also brings up the whole thing of,

so all these records that were set in the last two years of people wearing those sleeves, are those records negated? Do they not count anymore? What's the policy here? And also, what was the testing, because now there was apparently new evidence that came out that those were not, that the initial INSER ones were not pure neoprene

or a single layer neoprene or whatever the right. But there's been very, very little information released onto what this investigation revealed into these knee sleeves. So there's just, that's the thing, there's so many question marks about it. And because the IPF like everything, there's always question marks about it. And it's a shady behind the scenes thing where stuff gets done. And people may never know what happened other than the IPF decided they don't want it anymore for reasons Yeah

Yeah That's right at basement Brandon. You mentioned him. He does have a good video on it. Yeah, his was really good Do I get someone check it check that out if you're interested in hearing more about it? then to the day Kind of makes me not want to buy SBD stuff as much. I would actually say, I know. And it's, it's annoying cause SBD does make a good product and they do pump a ton of money into the thing.

But, uh, you always like to see people win out on merit, not because that they are pushing the, putting their finger on the scale and tipping in their favor. What I like about SBD is they appear to sponsor a lot of the lifters that I do. Yeah. And I think that's great Yeah, like yep, that's cool. That's like helping out those high-level strongmen competitors and power lifters. So that's cool But this stuff I'm like fuck you guys That's kind of what I think about it

That's That's how it comes off is like, you're feeling threatened from all these other people. Okay, we need to we need to pull a big maneuver here and really, right, really stop to this. You mentioned something, you know, with how much money SBD has the interesting part. Did you look into the SBD layoff? No. So you put this in here and Brandon had kind of made a comment in the video About it, and I did not know what this was if you've seen the link if you click on all the layoffs I linked the article it's on I don't know some UK business site, but What I took from it. They are laying off

over 50 employees, which is like 25 to either like a quarter to a third of all their employees. Okay, my first question is how many damn employees does this company have because you make like neoprene products in different colors. It sounded like 150, 150 to 200 or something. Wow, that is shocking.

But they're laying off like 50 to 60 of them. Ooh, oh yeah, that is enormous. Yeah, this says the firm has one hundred eighty eight employees and some 69 roles. Nice have been placed at risk and 54 redundancies were planned. Right. So. That's huge, like I work at a fairly large company. If they came in and said, yeah, one fourth of you are all getting fired. I'd be like, my God, even if I'm staying, what is the, you know, like what's going on here?

What is the success rate of our future based on laying off that many people? Well, that tells me sales or at least profit is not where they want it to be. Well, this is interesting because, all right, I know like in different countries, the way that some as far as financials are more public than they are in America a lot,

you can pretty much hide whatever you want here. But it said last year, according to this article, turnover, I'm turn, is that a, does that mean something? It says turnover was 15.7 million with profits of 2.25 million. What's turnover? I've never heard that using that. Is that just revenue?

Is that just like the product? Maybe that's a British way of saying revenue. I've never heard that. But yeah, with a profit of 2.25 million pounds, yeah, pounds we're talking here. It says the gross profit margin was 40%. That's a pretty good profit margin. I would sure think so, yeah.

Again, they're mostly selling neoprene. That's marked up a lot. And then here it says a worker who asked to stay anonymous said they had been told of the job losses at a meeting with our chief executive and founder Bill Banks and HR manager Samantha, whatever, who said it was due to tough selling conditions. You know what would improve tough selling conditions?

Forcing the main user of your products to a lit not allow any of the competitors products that would certainly Put you in a better spot wouldn't that all make sense then oh totally timeline where we have to do something You know how we always say you're like how do these companies? Afford to spend all this money on stuff? You're like, I just don't get how it works. And then we're always like, I give it enough time. Usually you find out it doesn't work. It's like, here's another one.

How did that work? Well, here's the thing. It's not really working for them to give away millions of dollars for all of these athletes and all these events. I mean, they still turn a profit, show a profit it seems, but it's obviously, you know, if you're laying off 60 employees, that's a big deal. You know, like that's not insignificant. You know, that's a regression, no matter what.

I mean, it might be what they need to do to come out the other side whole and better, but that's not what you consider as a progress, a step of the form of progress. I don't think. No, no. And I'm not I'm not like the guy that's like, oh, like it's it's one of those things like hating rogue is popular, hating SPD is popular. I think they've done a lot of good things for the sport, you know, like they've definitely. Oh, no, that's why they put a bunch of money into it. it and I would love I don't want to see them like go under and go out

of business, but I also like to see people win based on merit and not Well, it makes me wonder like the Sheffield specifically Because that's the thing you say how does this pencil out, you know like yeah I mean that has to just be a huge expense line of, you know, advertising promotion and that sort of thing. And, you know, at a certain point, do they say, yeah, that's doesn't pencil out for us? Like, is that ever is that possible at some point that they're like, Yep. Yeah. Because that's kind of the biggest game in powerlifting is the Sheffield at this point. It is it is. And who knows? Maybe when the whole Sheffield's done and everything,

maybe they maybe they turn a profit on it. I don't know between live stream. But the live stream's free. And I I don't think they gave away like a half a million dollars. How much it was. And it's probably probably not turning a profit on there. And usually, you know, when companies are doing good, probably not looking at turning a profit.

But what they're looking at is that in the whole, they should be then, you you know turning more of a profit And right and if sales are going down and you're giving away a hundred dollars like well, that's clearly not doing anything Well, but like we said in the beginning well before this even started I said hey the only knee sleeves I've ever bought were a pair of SPD sleeves from like 2015 and I still have them and wear them all the time That's kind of the problem with some of this stuff is that it's sort of lasts forever. So Also, they made them in black and red to begin with and that's

The other problem is they made our color kind of made Color right off the board. We're not we're not big Keith that had to wait until 2024 to get the orange set up You know, we had our color from the start. The colors right away. Yeah. Yeah. If it was like rebanded, the initial color was blue and be like, yeah, I'd be looking to get a new color. But yeah, they had our colors from the get go. So it worked out. I think here's what I think. I believe all knee sleeves should go away except for blue, reband, knee sleeves, bring up back. We used to be a proper

country. We used to be a proper frigging country where you wore blue re-band sleeves that were already at a little bit of an angle, that were quite thin, and you don't even think anyone should be allowed to have new re-band blue sleeves. No, they're all old. They're all old.

And if you have to buy them, you do have to buy them from the Gillinghams. And that's the only way you can get them. And they sell one at a time. They're not sold in pairs, so you order one at a time. They're not sold in pairs. You order one at a time. And we used to be a proper freaking country where we imported our Reban sleeves from whatever country made those things.

That's true. Right. So sorry. From whatever country those probably come from. It's like some Northern European country or something. Yeah, yeah. Yes, those are, we used to be a proper freaking country knee sleeves.

I remember when I used, we're old enough and been lifting long enough, we used to go to meets where a majority of the people there were wearing blue rebands. Our first meet we ever went to, I remember, what's his name? God. Redhead, why can't I think of his name?

Engineer. Andrew Montoya? No, not Andrew. The other guy, he's from like Dolan or something. Why can't I think of his name? Engineer. Andrew Montoya? No, not Andrew. The other guy, he's from like Dolan or something. Why can't I think of his name? Oh, Whirly Bird. Whirly Bird, yes, God. Cannot think of it.

I remember the Whirly Bird was like, check these out. Because everyone had rebound knee sleeves. And he's like, check these out. And they're SBD ones. He goes, they're the new knee sleeves. There's like one for your left leg and one for your right leg. It's labeled right on there. And they're and longer and it's the new it's the new game

And I had never seen them in person at that time. That was the first time ever. What is this voodoo witchcraft? Sir I just started using a belt about a month ago Anything else about knee sleeves or SPD? Well, here's the other one too. This affects IPF lifters. Also, which in America means that you're lifting and power lifting in America. And I get it that that is a Fed, but for real, you know who should be concerned about this stuff is people that are in like the top three of their weight class in the country. Outside of that, you don't even need to waste your time being worried about any of this.

That's not an issue at all. I mean, if you're not at least competing, if you're not competing at Powerlifting American Nationals, then it does not matter. Yeah, and even there, unless you're placing in top 10 at Powerlifting American Nationals It's kind of just like a participation trophy at that point, right, right Yeah, that's a good point

I still to this day don't well, I probably do know someone but I don't know anyone that's like, oh, I'm good It's a power lifting America meet. I'm competing in aren't there and they're just so few of them in America right now Yeah, might as well call it power lifting not America for how many people there are. Exactly. So how did you know about the layoff thing though? Where did that cut, where did you get hinted to that? I can't even remember now.

I've seen so many little things here and there on Instagram and stuff I can't remember but I found eventually, I saw something, so I had to Google it and then I found that article and I was like, oh man, that doesn't seem. I would imagine their marketing budget between all of the athletes, between power lifting, strong man, whoever else,

whatever they're doing, that, you know, the Sheffield has to be like a marketing, you know, line, like their marketing budget has to be crazy for all that stuff. I guess it doesn't make sense. Because what did they what was their total turnover? Did they say 15 million? Yeah, I think it was that and there was a year. Yeah, was it a profit of 3 million? We're talking pounds here. Yeah, I don't even know who knows how much money that is

We used to be a proper Country where we talked in the US dollars even when it's companies from other countries Let's see 15 million pounds would be like 20 million dollars. Okay If that's what that article said already forgot Do they do they abbreviated LBS? Unfortunately, no, they just did like a little squiggly L thing. Okay. Miss chance.

We used to be a proper country with blue rebound knee sleeves. I'm telling you buy them from the Gillingham's and that's all you really, that's all a guy ever needed. Go to jackals. Yeah. Dot com. You got speed out of the speed from those. and that's all you really that's all a guy ever needed go to Jackal's.com You got speed out of the speed from those and that's why you needed I like that You put some dead lifting legends in the the lifting thing and Brad wrote honored to be in with this group of guys

Something must have got shared about it just to date because that was posted several days ago though But a bunch of Minnesota people were sharing Brad's clip slide of that this week and several gillet people that had the last name Gilliam too, so very cool. It was and a lot of shares were with Hashtag speed You know, like what are all the jackals things like that? I always remember that what else did they have on there? God I Can't even remember now, but yeah, I always sticks out to me as something I'll say is speed. That was good. All right, what do we want to move on to?

Jim Price's, what about your training session at Perfect Little Sweety's? Oh, so I went there, had RP 10 squat day on Monday, and Bryce, what was it on Sunday Sunday afternoon Messages me and Paul says hey, you guys want to lift tomorrow? Actually, I think I think Paul actually said hey guys We need to lift tomorrow and I'm like cool and Bryce says cool and then I go where are we lifting that? it's like of course, it's perfect little sweeties, that's where we're going to lift at and

So I show up there, you know, the, the, the tension is high. It's an RP 10 squat day. That's a, that's a lot. I'm supposed to do 425 for six, which is a big number and start warming up. And it feels a little, it feels a little weird. You know, you're in a different spot. Haven't left my, haven't left my garage in quite a while, but, you know, you start getting in the groove and man The weights are freaking moving. It was 425. I Actually thought that that I did think I was pushing myself I thought 425 is gonna be a challenge. Yeah, and I probably could have done it for like eight or nine

Maybe even ten and you should have had like 445 I actually think I could have, but the thing was is, I think I did 440 at Masanomics Gym for, I have to go back and look for four maybe in January, and that was very hard to me. That was like damn near RP, that was like an RP nine, nine and a half maybe, it was hard. And this move, so I guess it got done,

I'm like, oh, that was like too easy, that was too easy. But it was a good training session, it was a lot of fun. Got to do that, got to check out his, his I would say I saw it, but uh, cause I watched the perfect little sweet training blog, but couldn't really see your squat although. Yeah. He kind of kind of got in the way on that one. Luckily I recorded on my phone too. So I had it, but that one, that one

went great. Uh, you know, Paul You know Paul had just lifted at the USD lift-a-thon He didn't you know he just had just kind of a regular day in the book so nothing too crazy there and Bryce was working up to how did he work up to? 725 wasn't it? Yeah, once so many plates start going on I start losing track of what's happening, but It was yeah once you get like five six seven plates whatever it was it's so what bar were you guys squatting on? Just an Ohio power bar. Okay, definitely starts bending when Bryce starts loading up yeah, I don't know if he uses squat bar when he squats that much a little flexing on that bad boy, but

Yeah, it was really fun. I got to check out his new glute ham raise. It's that rogue GHD he's got. Well, OK, what is the one that Masanomics Gym has? The Abrams. Is it the Abrams? That same one. I think ours is the Abrams. I think ours is a slightly more expensive of the two. Yeah, which is the Abrams.

OK, but it says 2.0. Is it possible Masanomics has the 1.0 version? Or when you look at the picture, is it? It depends on when it came outastinomics has the 1.0 version or when you look at the picture is it On what I came out pull up the picture. Does it look like this? Because I think you got this thing Now you I would have been there when you had this it's just maybe it's been so long I cannot remember what one it is now Does it have that foot adjustment with that like poppin thing? Yep. Yeah, that's it. Okay, that's one. See he had this

I'm thinking whoa. This is so nice Like poppin thing. Yep. Yeah, that's it. Okay. That's one. See he had this This is so nice. I haven't used one like this But it's probably just from me going to a few commercial gyms here in town that you know have this one's ours is like, yeah Okay, I was really impressed with how nice that actually is. I don't know what the 1.0 was and but yeah That looks just like a yeah. Okay. Yeah, so he got his on marketplace and we talked about that And it was that could have been yours could have been mine But Bryce got instead and that's fine. I didn't have room at the time. So It was nice and I got to try what else did I do in his gym? Oh, I got to do I got to do a little some lunges with the York round heads, you know

Flair and then I got to do a standing leg curl machine that you got to try out in the tour the gym tour right? Well, how was that one? I've never done a standing leg curl It's it's a nice machine. Did you do it single leg or double? I just kept it old school Just did one leg at a time. Oh, yeah It's the the best pump is when you do it the two both of them on the double leg standing leg girl Yeah, I'll have to save that for next time. So that was really good.

Actually, that was Monday. On Friday, I had my RP 10 deadlift day, the 465. I think it was for five. Smoked those felt amazing. Best it's ever felt. Best deadlift. Oh, that looked really easy. Best I have ever moved. My final, my final pull leading into the meet was 465 for a single. That was my final pull. I did it for five and it felt so easy. I shouldn't

say it felt easy. It felt really good. I had no sore. I got done the next day. I'm like, really? No soreness? Nowhere? Nothing? Like, am I, am I not going hard enough? But yeah, that felt incredible. So that was the big barrier because in juggernaut, you do your RP 10 deadlift day before squat. So if deadlift is that, that wasn't really an RP 10 though. No, it wasn't. And even that, I think I'd have to go back and look, I think I put an RP eight on it. And so that means that's training in the right direction. Squat smoked that one out of the water. So that's going in the

right direction. And then today was the final piece of the RP 10 week with bench. And this is the one I've had the most confidence in because my bench is just feeling so good. It's feeling amazing every week. It actually feels like it's getting easier as the weights get heavier that it's only getting easier. It's going easier and easier. This is I don't that's the Boogs effect. That's what he says.

The more weight you put on, it just gets easier for me. There's a lot of days where by the time I get to my last sets, I'm actually bringing the RP number down because it actually is getting easier feeling. And I was just having more confidence in bench than I've ever had in my life. And today, I'm thinking, oh yeah, the number's got to be, god, is it going to give me 315 for a set of five?

I've never done that in my life. I think it's gotta be, I think it's gotta be at least 300 is what I'm thinking. And when I loaded the thing up, the regular number, if you just tell it, everything's feeling fine, is 285. And I'm looking like, I did 275 for my sets and I had those marked at like a six and a half last week.

10 pound savior's not enough. So I put both of them in juggernaut, the fire emoji, which means things are feeling great. And then it gave me three Oh five. And I'm like, okay, three Oh five seems like a more appropriate number. And I did that. I was supposed to do a set of five in my head. I'm like, this is way too easy. I did a sixth rep, which I never, ever add an extra rep in. And I did an extra rep. I'm like, yep, still got at least two there and that one absolutely shocked me

This is what blew my mind When you when you in juggernaut when you do your p10 and whatever you put in It wants you to then put in like a new estimated one rep max Yeah, so it can write right get your percentage program So I put in that I did 305 for six reps at an rp8 is put in and it says, all right, pick your new one rep max. And the numbers were 375, 380 and 385. I'm like, dude, that is not what my bench is at. But maybe, maybe, is it really? Because what's the most you've ever benched? Well, in the gym, like six years ago, I did a six, like eight years ago, I did a six like eight years ago. I did a touch and go 350 350 and that was I

Probably could have done five or ten pounds more but like that was that was the limit pretty close and just for comparison here Like the last meet was an all-time bench PR in the meat. I did like 333 or whatever Actually, like your opener comes, you know, I mean the way this is moving, but I don't I don't know 305 for six And it was your opener would be close to what your final bench successful bench was Yeah, actually it should be yeah, like you just said if I did 305 for six and it was easy That's that's way too light for an opener. So yeah, my opening would be probably 330 ish then actually right? I've that's what I was gonna say. So weird think about like over 330 would be your opener That's really weird to think about really weird. Yeah, but I'm telling you man bench has been going so good. It's I

Don't know. I don't know what's changed. I don't know. Let's build that So what's your body is your body weight fairly? My body weight is up a little bit and that's that actually is one thing I should say don't know what's changed That is one thing that has changed a little bit. Is that now? After we came back from Jugees, it's like that trip, my body gained three pounds and just never lost it. And so lately, for the most part,

I wake up in the morning around like 2.22-ish, 2.21, 2.22. And it wasn't that long ago, a couple months ago, where I was more in that 2.15 area, you know, I started taking creatine, which I say adds five pounds right there. So that kind of accounts for that. And then, all right, five pounds then, all right. Over the past several months,

have I gained a pound or two of muscle? I hope so, maybe. Right. And I guess that would put me at 222-ish. So Juggernaut and MacroFactor are kind of clicking on all cylinders. And that's what I was gonna say about MacroFactor is the lifting feels like it's going so good.

And I think if I had to put anything on it, because I've been using Juggernaut for a while, I haven't really ever been able to send it, just because I've always been in this state of recovery, like on the comeback for several years now. But a couple of things. First, for actually the first time in my life, my diet is the most in check it's ever been.

Like I'm routinely getting 185 plus grams. Like it's a weird day if I don't get 185 grams of protein. And most days that's closer to 200 up to 220. And I can guarantee you that I've never at any point in my life been that good at that. There might've been times where I was close, but if I was close, I was also getting probably 150 grams of fat, like it was so much fat in the diet.

And it's pretty freaking dialed in right now. Like it's still, there's still times where the fat is a little higher, but like 120 grams of fat is like the most I'd ever get in a day. And proteins, the big one though, that's always, it's never less than 175, 180. It's always up there. And,

well, an extra 23 today. It is, I'm over, I'm over today now, officially, which that doesn't happen a whole lot. And then the other one that I was thinking about is when you don't have two kids under the age of three in the house, sleep is just better. And it has been, like I can consistently, I'm still not getting as much sleep as I should, but it's the fact that for the most part now when I go to sleep

I'm staying asleep. I'm not waking up like three or four times in a night Which you know is just you wake up in the morning like did I actually sleep last night? I think I'm in a constant state of shit You know everyone's situation is different with that so people have angel kids a lot of people You don't really and then when they're you have a couple kids that are in that like Zero one two range you just sleep One kid has a good night. The other one has a bad night. The next one has a good night The next one has a bad it's it's just like it feels like he can't catch up and

That's been better lately too. So I think diet's been going good, sleep's been going better than normal. And I went to Jugees, around Boogs, and just like got that horse cock mentality that you know what, sometimes you just need to throw some weights around. It is a mentality.

It is a mentality. And I've also been taking that approach way more lately, especially on my accessories. I'm like, you know what? I could go a lot harder on my accessories, like a lot harder. And I've been doing that. And I think maybe I'm starting to see the benefits of it.

Classic train insane or remain the same. Actually, not to long ago, that would have told you, you don't even really need to train insane. Like as long as you're just training smart, you will get better. And I do believe that but yeah If you do know how to turn it up

This is the thing I Never through all this I still my muscles everything feels great It is just if my back if my back can just hang on I know I can just keep attacking it so hard and I feel like I Feel like I know what I know what it takes to get stronger. No like I for I Mean, I don't think I can reach like a 2,000 pound total, but I don't know. I think if I could just keep at this,

I think a 14, 15, I don't know, maybe even a 1,600 pound total is possible, but it's just can I avoid an injury between now and then? Just continue to train for that long. Because my muscles feel great all the time. My muscles, it's like everything's just, I'm hitting all these RP 10 days, and I wake up the next day, I'm like,

it's like I didn't even lift feel great fresh So that's that's the training update man. It doesn't really get much better than that Dude it and with that I'm having so much fun right now because things feel so good. I'm having so much fun with it You're the guy in the middle of the Venn diagram where it's all I can do I can do them all what about me? And you know I still at the end of the day don't have a good deadlift But I'm having fun doing it because it's all moving getting bet really bet I like it's everything like moving up into the right which is the direction really ask for anything other than it to get better And it's all three right now. It's not even just one of them like well

I got bench the others or whatever it's all three of them like what the hell's going on right now, man Same thing for Scott when I when I did my squat day and it asked what do you want your new rep one rep max To be I think the number was somewhere between like 520 and 540 It's like I would make sense closing in on all-time PR territory and I'm yeah What 18 weeks out or whatever 16 weeks out? What is your best deadlift best deadlift ever 540? I've stuck at 540 for two years or 540 whatever the Kilo breakdown is there so you're getting closer and closer to that. Yeah, actually same thing for deadlift I think it has me at like 550 or something like that

And I actually went back through some of my old training logs and looked my best for squat I had a 5 by 5 at 425 that I did or sorry a 5 by 5 at yeah a 5 by 5 at 425 that I did or sorry a five by five at yeah a five by five at 425 that I did one time. Yeah, and I set to five straight across is really challenging. Oh, it's hard. It is hard Yes, you know like what if you you know, like It's hard to equate that to what that equals to in terms of a top set, you know But doing it for five sets straight across is a whole different because the first ones feel pretty good. But by the end of it, you're like, oh, it's hard to even get

psyched up. These are just so draining. To me, it's almost like the second, third and fourth sets. Like, you know, like the first one, you have all this nervous of getting started. Like by the last one, I can always do like I'm like, oh, it's the last one for me. It's like three and four. Four is probably the worst one. First one is like you're going into it, feeling like, oh, it's the last one. For me, it's like three and four. Four is probably the worst one. First one is like, you're going into it feeling out,

like, oh, it's feeling good. Second, you're hyped up. Third, you're thinking, oh, I'm getting tired. Fourth, like, God, I still got another one left. And then the fifth one is finally, okay, this is the last one. Oftentimes, I'll do my fifth one. It'll look like some of my best ones.

I think it is like the third and fourth one. Some of my finest work. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So I am, I mean, I know this can change in an instant. Yeah Yes Yeah So I am I mean I know this can change in an instant I mean for all and all get don't D load next week and then I'll put in my numbers like god damn it Like this is I'm just gonna get destroyed every day now just enjoy it while it's happening

But that's the thing is right now. I'm thinking. Ah, this is just really good I feel like I feel like I'm a newbie game mode over here. Things are going great. And because I've been there, because I know this can all change so fast, I'm loving, I'm loving the moment. It's like, if someone could tell you, well, you're in the good old days before you leave the good old days or whatever the thing goes.

Like right now, I feel like I'm in the good old days. You know, it's, that's. I think there's very little times in me lifting for like 15 to 20 years where I've thought, you know what? All three of these are really progressing really well. Well, that's the same time. And also that you don't feel like shit. You're like, okay, they're all up. But God, my elbows are killing me. My back hurts. My hips hurt. But yeah, stronger. And that's the thing is right now I'm like, everything feels pretty good. And

these are famous last words. I feel like right now I'm signing my own obituary right here. But I just got to say, there's not many times where you I feel like right now. I'm just signing my own obituary right here. But I just gotta say, there's not many times where you just feel great about everything and right now is one of those times. Right. I almost though, I almost did have disaster strike yesterday. I've had their move now, but in the back behind me

against the wall, I had some giant picture frames laying there. Yeah. I was getting posters made me against the wall, I had some giant picture frames laying there. Yeah. I was getting pollsters made. I actually have, I made these, I printed off some Mastinomics pollsters. I'll get these things hung. The pollsters showed up the other day.

They look amazing. They look so good. The studio just keeps getting better and better. It does. Dude, these pollsters look so good. The printing is incredible. I've never seen something look so nice. And they showed up and I had to check them out

and I was just so blown away. I'm like, I'm putting these, this was yesterday. I'm like, I'm putting these in the frame right now. This is too cool. I gotta do it. So I put the first one in the frame, like, oh hell yeah, this is sweet. I made a, well the first one was a raw power poster.

Looks so cool. I'm like, yes, I'm gonna do the next one. So I go over to the picture frame and I'm getting it out. You know, all these tabs on the back you lift off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's a 24 by 20, it's big. And I take the back piece off, the little piece of cardboard that holds the picture in,

and I can see some little hairs and like pieces of styrofoam in the glass. I'm like, well, I gotta get that out. I can't have that in there inside this frame sandwich against my perfect print I have made here. And it was on the last one, I had trouble getting it out. You know, I was trying to stick my finger to it, I couldn't get it.

So what I did is I tip this one up and when I tipped it up immediately, it was like an explosion and the glass shot out of it and broke and it went on my hand and I was like so confused what had happened. I was on my knees on the ground and this glass shot out and I just looked down and I see my hand covered in blood. My first thought is no, no, no. Things were going so perfect. Like it didn't even hurt or anything because the glasses were sharp. I'm just instantly thinking like,

no, my training was going so good. What took place here? And so I run to the bathroom and I start washing it off. And I realized that the blood is all coming from the edge of my thumb, like the base of my knuckle, kind of on my palm. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, God, that is a really deep fricking cut. And of course, my wife who works in the ER is working in the ER. She's not here that day. But she goes,

oh, I have the skin glue upstairs. So I use that and I get it glued up. But this was like an hour before I was supposed to go and hit my RP 10 bench yesterday. So I'm like, damn it, I will put the pause on this. Do it tomorrow. And so I made it to the bench session just fine today. It did kind of rip open. So I had to put more glue on it, but I think I'll be okay. But it was almost,

it was almost things were looking too good for a minute. Something always will pop up to like keep it in check. It's like, no, you're going to get injured, not lifting. It's like you did. So when you're like moving that trailer at the one time right? You hurt your shoulder or whatever. Yeah, what the hell? Yeah, but that was my immediate thought is right away thinking no training. It's going too good Don't ruin it here

It's so true. I did have one thing Bryce I think Bryce brought this up when we were when we were lifted at his gym and I thought this is very insightful Very good, and he goes you know what? No matter no matter how strong or weak you are if you're someone that lifts There is someone that knows you like more than likely a co-worker or like a distant family member that doesn't really know you that well but they know you lift. And they're like, that guy's the strongest guy I know. And it doesn't matter how strong or weak you are

but to someone, to someone you're like the strong guy like out there. Which is kind of a funny thing to think about. It just depends on who you know and who you're around. But yeah, almost to someone you're the strong guy yes, so just think about that you're some you're someone's strong guy you're someone's hero That is a funny thought I mean if you're Bryce you're that guy to more well that guy to most but yeah You're that guy to a lot of people if you're Bryce That does though, I mean we talked about it, so I'll just mention a juggernaut AI Oh, yeah. You're that guy to a lot of people if you're race.

That does, though. I mean, we talked about it. So I'll just mention a juggernaut A.I. Tommy, the training he's using using smash PRS left and right, just picking up P.R.S., taking them, walloping them, smashing them, banging them all apart. Yeah. Give them a good a walloping. You could do the same too by using juggernaut AI and using discount code Mastodonics. It'll save you 10% every month for the lifetime of your membership when you sign up. Just make sure to sign up on the website. That's juggernautai.app.

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and you can start to move on that barefoot lifestyle and see what it's all about. Once again, that's barefoot.store code massonomics will save you 10%. Thank you barefoot shoes. If anyone's missed it, the strength. What's that called challenge that's been sweeping the nation is the double overhand been seeing a few people get in on it It's for them that doesn't know it's your 10 rep max double overhand deadlift Preferably on a Texas power bar and what number what number what's the last number you did here? 435 is the one I did this last that I did on Monday I did this week. I guess for where does it snuff novice. What did you call?

Monday I did this week I guess for where does it stop novice? What did you call? progression NGP That might be it I think this next week I might try and continue it by now moving to a deadlift bar or maybe I'll if I have a wild hair And I think nope I can go to 445 and I can just do it today. Okay, so you're saying that like So it sounds like you don't have a ton of confidence in yourself being able to do 445 for 10. Is that what you're saying? Right? That's kind of where I feel like I might. So if you if I told you you had to put a number to it, how many do you think you could do at 445? Like pretty confidently?

Eight or nine. Oh, okay. I just feel like I can't quite get to it is the last reference you would be. Yeah, like when I did 435. My ninth rep, I was like, oh my god I feel like I'm giving it everything and it's just like Healing my fingers. It's actually the weirdest thing when versus when you do one and you can't get it It's just like it peels out right away. Yeah, but like on this ten rep. It's just like It's like I just did this eight times. I know I can do it. It's like just hang on Like why is it not Hank? But nothing's left. It's just like that annoying thing about grip is you just like yeah

I can't I do this. Yeah, but then like on my ninth one I'm like, oh that was really tough and on the tenth one. I'm like, that's it I just I just need one more and I really grew it down and I'm like, okay that one felt a little better So I don't know maybe I could summon just enough to try 445, but I might just switch to a deadlift bar and see if that, I just want to see, is that easier? You know? I think you should be able to get a little extra mileage out of a deadlift bar.

And I should be able to see, I'll be able to test that. Right, if all this that you're doing, you're like, I could do 20 of these. Well, and I mean, what I'm going to do is I'll switch to that and then if I can get 445, I'll just try 450. You know, I'll just NGP that to see where the deadlift bar goes. So if you, let's say you're totally healthy,

like you right now, but let's just say you have two good working legs, what do you think your max double overhand would be? I don't even know if that should be like, if I'm like being held back by that even now by my leg not being well because but when I do that you don't have 500 for a single I've done that before yeah I think I've done like five oh five oh it sure seems like it I did even with your leg that wouldn't be an issue 500 pound deadlift probably not okay I mean mean I can do 435 for 10. It's not an issue. So why would

70 more pounds for one like it's actually Should be here's where in terror. Yeah. Yeah, here's all the craziest thing. I would say about it is When I do That's where I'm focusing on the grip when I do That where I'm focusing on the grip It's such a hack of me not even like I like the lifting part thinking about my knee or my like because It is such a hack because I'm so focused on that I'm like, you know the rest of it has to be locked in or it just like doesn't work

You know like and it's just it just makes me not overthink it then. Yeah, cuz then I watch I'm like I'm very happy with my technique on this. I'm like, this looks solid as hell. And like, it makes me it's a turning into a little hack for me where I'm thinking about the grip and then the dead, the deadlift is an afterthought. It just, just happens if the grips dialed in, right. The rest of the list just happens. Then I do my back downs at a lighter weight

So like the other week, I don't know is like 365 375 385 or whatever it is for sets It's doing a couple back down sets of 10 And this is often true when you do a top set versus the back down sets But noticeably when I do my back down with straps I'm like man. This feels way harder than the one that was 90 more pounds Yeah, you know like or the one that was 60 more pounds or whatever the difference is for the day So are you getting yourself very psyched up for these these? Ten rep ones or is it just like now? It's just you're going up and doing a set

I don't not getting myself too psyched up because I feel like I can't really get too psyched up for a set of ten Okay, so I just like it was like, oh, I gotta really hang on, I gotta be in the zone a little bit here. A little bit. You know, I'm not just like, like going deep, deep, deep, deep. Yeah, but I'm not, yeah, I'm not going like boogs mode on it. Like you would, like I'm not sitting there

like yelling at myself like I might if I was going for a one rep, or like a really big double or triple even, you know, it's not like that because I don't even know if that's to my advantage I'm more just thinking Like telling myself like squeak. You know I'm just like even before I go I'm like hang on like squeeze the bar because there is something funny about grips sometimes. I'm just like no I have to tell myself Yes, squeeze your hand as hard as you can, because I can like, it seems so obvious and silly to even say, but I'm like, sometimes I'm like, well, wait,

I'm not squeezing as hard as I should. That's actually one thing I've noticed with me for deadlift is I seem to only hang on as tight as I really need to. And I've noticed that even when I get to heavier ones, I don't have the bar firmly grasped. Like it is slightly like rolling down to my fingertips. And I'm thinking, I'm doing mixed grip. Why am I having such a just a casual grip on this thing? And that was one of the big ones for my top set

the other day was like, no, I need to really, really be hanging onto this. And part of that, what that does though, is it just makes everything tighter. So it makes everything feel better. And I really realized that. I think think yes, that's a really good point that's part of what I'm saying like that my form feels locked in because you're If you're squeezing the shit out of your grip, you can't not be it's really hard

You already know how to deadlift and even just sitting right here Whatever someone's doing if you're just like nope squeeze your fists as hard as you can It's really hard to do that and not have like your arms fully tightened and even like into your pecs and your lats If you're just squeezing it all as hard as you can I'm waiting to I'm want to see someone get in on it and do like a crazy number I want to see someone do 500 for 75 or 500 for 10 or like someone's got to be able to do it Maybe not the people that are gonna jump in on this but but like I would just keep, I mean at that point you also have to be able to deadlift 500% of 10, like it starts to get to be a-

That's a really, yeah, like you gotta be a good deadlifter then, especially- Right. It's not just ripsing anymore. Right, yeah, you have to, yeah, at a certain point in time it's like, no, that's 10 reps of a deadlift that's actually pretty heavy. Yeah, so I'll probably try. I might switch the deadlift bar, because now I'm just purely curious if that like,

do I go to that at 445? Like, oh, that's easy. I can just keep going on this is 10. I think I was saying, or if it's like, no, that's not an easier. Well, it would be sweet if it was just like, no, yep, the cheat code. Here we go again, because that's how we've kind of always said

that all the deadlift bars, it just, is it a mental thing or can you actually hang on to it that much better, you know? Right, this would be a really good test. It would, and I would love to see what the results of that are. I was saying to Paul and Bryce, I'm watching you deadlift, and so you did 435 double overhand for a set of 10,

which I mean right now, I feel like that would just rock me. That would be so hard for me to do. And I'm thinking, are just quads, you don't have two perfectly functioning quads. I got two, I make the argument, my two quads are the best they've ever been in my life right now. And I'm like, okay, maybe just quads are not part

of the deadlift equation or they're not for Tanner. Probably not so much for me. I think I generally, the way I lift, they're not as much of an equation for me. So that probably is part of it. And then by default, I'm sure my body even, like without me trying it this way, like they're just like, yeah, we're gonna,

we're shifting some of this focus elsewhere. Right, we're moving the load around without you knowing. Right, you know, like even, I mean, I do, especially on my other sets, I am constantly thinking like, Oh, no, press evenly through both legs. And I should be feeling that. But when I do that, that set, I really don't think about any of that shit. But like when I'm doing my other ones, they are way slower, because I am kind of like, No, I want to feel

my left leg exact. Like when I'm squatting in particular, right now, that is the biggest thing. Like on every rep, I'm like, No, I want to feel my left leg exact like when I'm squatting in particular right now. That is the biggest thing Like on every rep. I'm like, no, I want my I want that to feel even, you know from side to side It doesn't always but that's kind of what I'm always you're not thinking about just purely moving weight There's some no muscle connection going on It's kind of like I get so ungodly tired on my sets of 10 squats Like this week last week was 255 this next week will be 265 how many sets are we talking here I do four sets of ten on squat so it is 40 reps but it is really fatiguing because I don't like the descent isn't

fast the basically almost temple squats right right but by design I hope that that you know it's like forcing me to probably get a little more hypertrophy go. I would think you would sure think so Yeah, uh, so I want to see more people do the double overhand Ten rep max deadlift and see what numbers up. Yeah, there's a few people that have been doing it Yeah, there's I want to see someone just put some crazy numbers up though I want to know what's possible do like 455 Someone's got to be able to do 475. I'm curious. Someone can do 500, you know, like The choc can go to 500 right? Yeah, for sure and like that would even be that taxing of like normally

People that can do some pretty crazy numbers on that, right? I'm just thinking of someone that maybe deadlifts in the 700s though. The grip, it would not be unusual for them to not be able to do the grip part though. The other thing I thought was interesting, which after hearing them say it, I'm like, oh, they were right, I think I was a little wrong about that, is I make it sound like the deadlift is an afterthought,

it's just the grip to hold on. You know, cause they're like, oh, you said like the 405 deadlift for 10, like that shouldn't be the limiting factor. Like in my mind, or like I'm just equating it to me. I'm like, for me that is not the, well I know the grip is the limiting factor, but I also know that even if the grip wasn't,

I mean 405 for 10 would just smoke me. But most times they would go up together a little bit is what I was thinking. You know, it would scale together. But then I'm like, well, if someone is a little bit lighter but they have an exceptional grip, the deadlift actually could be the limiting factor then, though too.

You know, like- Oh, easily, yeah. If they have an awesome, you know, big hands, a really strong grip, but maybe, like a grip strength athlete, like some that competes in grip, but maybe doesn't power lift. So they might not have this 5, 6, 700 pound deadlift, but they have a really strong grip. Yeah. That is a good point. Those people probably exist. To me, I kind of take the deadlift as an afterthought because I'm like, oh, I think I could always,

whatever my grip could hold onto, I could always, you know, the deadlift isn't hard. I think if you're a power lifter, that's usually gonna be true though still. Typically, yes. Because your grip gets more delighted. You know, I mean, there's no deadlift of any weight or rep scheme that,

I mean, the grip would always give out first for you. Oh, for me every time. Yes. Every time. Right. Like, and I think most of us would all be the same way. Yeah. I can't, I don't think I could get four or five for a single. Like I, I know, I know I can get like 365 is usually the last double overhand single I take. Right. But over that it's really, that's where my single starts to run out So this thing the fact that you did a couple weeks ago four or five for ten I mean, I couldn't even do it for one. I don't think right so that's so it's the same for most people

I do think the deadlift it seems silly to say but is kind of an afterthought if your grip is stronger No, you know, I mean it's like the grip is the much harder part for most people Mm-hmm, I think but there's probably exceptions to that though. I concede that some people are outside that rule. I guess everyone's different. I'm just gonna dissect this stupidest thing ever every week farther and farther. The stupidest lift I'm calling it the dumbest lifting thing ever because it's all I can do. It's all I've got. Just let me have it. Working on some more Mastinomics gym stuff, I'll probably just hold off on that till it's done.

I got more more stuff coming. A special project that's hopefully nearing. I've seen some I've seen some previews of it looking pretty good so far. Making it making it pretty. This is what's going to really make the gym a real gym. I kind of hope when this is what'll finally get a strong for the most, you know, this is going to be the missing link to finally get a strong.

Did you watch the Sam Sulek gym tour? I did. And it was funny. We've talked about things like this before. I started at nighttime and I fell asleep, started watching it, fall asleep at some point during it and I wake up and there's only a few minutes left and I watch the end and then I go to bed.

And then I think, when I meet lunch tomorrow, I'll pick up where I left off, probably like towards the end of the video. And then I realized I fell asleep at like the two minute and 30 second mark. And I'm like, really? So I laid down, this was the first YouTube video I turned on. I was actually excited to watch it. And within minutes and 30 seconds I had passed out so that was

That was interesting, but I did go back and watch the rest people that don't know Sam Sulik now has a home gym and when we say home gym basically has his own personal commercial gym, and it's completely He already had a video come out giving a tour of it. It is completely outfitted in Arsenal gear and It's pretty sweet Jim Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Did you watch the full tour? I think I've seen almost all I'm the same thing I fell asleep it to at least one time watching it Sam Sulek is great if you're tired to get yourself right to bed See Bobby said is his oh, I could just put your rate out and right out. And I like some of his content. I'm not saying like, oh, it's terrible.

It puts me to sleep. I'm just saying like, it's so quiet and he talks so even keel, it'll just put you right to bed if you're on the verge of falling asleep. Yeah. Trying to think if he had, I think I told you about this, the Arsenal lateral raise machine stuck out at me because he had a high praise for it. And yeah, that's been a piece that you've

examined on my wish time We will have it up someday. I guess it's probably a matter of time But yeah, it's mostly just a lot of machines, you know He has there's a rack and a Smith machine in there and dumbbells But did you see boot the most importantly though? Did you see boobs? Ha a couple minutes of that. I watch pretty much the whole thing and it was so funny Like so so but it wrote like oh a 20 minute video and we actually watched 20 seconds of the original video

You're getting really good at this like Something like those lines that is kind of his thing it is but I liked it It's so much of what he says is so funny because it's also so true Where he's talking he gets the part where Sam's like, you know, we got the we got the dumbbells over here and I'm up to 150 I I don't need those 200s and books out there. It's like no no that mentality right there That's what's never gonna let you do those you need to have something you can't do because that's what keeps you showing up to the gym Because you have those over there just like making fun of you every day because you can't do them And I'm like, oh man, this is so good though, because it was the same thing

I had those strength co 45s. I was getting the part where I had 445s and most workouts I was using all 445s like I don't really like this idea of when I'm lifting, there's no weights left on the rack. Like it's, I'm at the end of the thing here. And so now you get that extra one, you're like, all right, there's another plate there and we gotta start filling that one up now. And I get it, man. I need to get to that one.

Yeah. Yep, yep. But then Boog's just saying, yeah, just his whole take on the gym of, it's just, it's just funny to hear ramble for 20 minutes. Yeah. Oh, I think I actually, cause I had brought this up to you. And I think when I watched a Boog's video, he did bring it up though, too. What's interesting to me is Sam Sulek's channel has been built on him doing

vlogs of him going to commercial gyms, like almost like every man's gyms, you know, just random ass gyms that anyone would go to at a and now I'm like, it's a whole different vibe when he has this personal facility with $250,000 of equipment and basically no other people there that's like, oh wait, no, you're you have access to things that normal people don't get now. Like I do people not relate to that as well. Yeah, that is a good question. And it always is the thing of but also, I mean, no one can blame him, you know, anyone in the situation. Oh, no, I mean, it's awesome. They have their own thing. And then also he is at working at a higher level here

And at a certain point yeah, like you want machines that will help you bring up What are your weak spots? Well, it's actually a competitive bodybuilder, right? Right when you just show up at a random planet fitness, and they don't have anything and you're just like oh Let's see what we can make work today You know a certain point he will get serious enough that no I and he's there right now where no I want these machines to help me be the best version that I can be. But I think he did say in his video,

he's like, oh, you'll still, I'm not, this isn't my only spot, you'll still find me, you know, going to other gyms. And I think Boogs talked about it, he goes, you know, I do the same thing. I got my personal gym that I go to, and that's where I get crazy, but I still need to get out in public

and go to these public gyms too. And so I think Boogs was mostly on the same page of them there of like following the thought process. Yeah. We dusted off our, we hadn't used our garage gym much for a while, but now that's nice out again, we dusted off the equipment, been using the garage gym again. It's nice when having the doors open.

When you got the doors open and you're just like. That's a whole different feel when the doors get to be open. Yeah, it's pretty tough to beat. I had the doors open today because it's been not very nice lately. But yeah, today was like 60 something. So the doors were open. It was a great, great day to do some benches. Yeah, that's when you're like, I hope someone drives by and they see blast an iron in here. Yeah, I got pretty strong neighborhood kids ride their bikes home from school. They're like, yeah, I got pretty strong. The neighborhood kids ride their bikes home from school.

They're like, oh, man, what's going on in that gym? That's the strongest guy I know. Mom and dad, the neighbor is a freak down there. He's just horse cocking weights in his garage. Horse cocking, I got to see this for myself. What's do we want to do? We want to do any other topics? And I got to see this for myself. What's do we want to do? We want to do any other topics? I see Jim Price is in here.

Is that something we want this week? Or do we say I'm trying to think? I mean, we could save it for next week, too. OK, actually, I don't even know. Think snip snapping so much it's hard to keep track of what the hell's even going on. Oh. Yeah, it was about equipment pricing.

Actually, what I was gonna talk about was, okay, screw it, we'll just talk about it right now. Rep, because Rep, you know, like a lot of these companies, makes a lot of their shit in China, or basically all their stuff in China, and I have a few Rep pieces, and they're pricing, they've been watching the news lately, a lot of their shit in China or basically all their stuff in China and I have a few rep pieces and Their pricing have been watching the news lately there's been a lot of tariffs going on and off and numbers floating around and

Damn near get some snips. Yeah, it gets impossible to keep track of the I mean, you might be wrong if you haven't looked in the last day. Yeah, I mean they're all over the place it's it's it's just insane you can't keep up with it and Rep I think is just like started raising their prices just to keep up with it because as of what is this April 10th is there like a hundred and like 20% tariff on Chinese goods, I think maybe I have no idea. It's something like that but the only metric I have to gauge this on is the cost of the rep Peppins and this is very

interesting so I bought mine I bought the 80 pound set when it initially came out I believe the 80 pounds that was $900 I waited you know until like the orders were kind of out and made sure that they were the real deal I bought them in December of 2020 the earliest you weren't the earliest adopter. No, no, I wasn't. I waited until they were actually out. I don't think they started shipping until like August or September, maybe even October.

But so I waited a few months until after they came out. I bought mine for a thousand. So the price had raised another $100, which I'm like, ah, extra hundred bucks. Oh, that's annoying about the 80 pound set. Now the 85 pound set is the heap are sorry the 85 pounds it now the 85 pound set is up to $1,300 it's gone up another 30% in in like four months not even four months. It's got up

And now if you want the full set it's $1,700 like that's getting close to $2,000 for a pair of dumbbells. That's getting close to $2,000, which it's like I mean, they still are really really good. Do not get me wrong. These are still amazing Devos. I'm so glad I have them but 1700 have them like when you got them Oh, that was the thing people are saying all these tariffs are coming if you have something buy it now and so as of today Has rep paid any more? I mean you don't know the answer to this and well So this is they paid any more for anything. Well, this is this is why I think because I look the AB 5200 I'm like, that's a great bench. I have that

that price had not gone up yet and I think the reasoning here is because the The pep ins are constantly back ordered, you know, like they're always a month out So you ordering ones now like those ones have in theory not even been made yet, or if they're made, they're getting ready to package them up to send a crate to America. So that's why I think those get more of the live pricing. There's no stock sitting in a warehouse somewhere that like,

well, yeah, these are our $500 benches because we have a thousand of them that we got to burn through before we have to worry about the price thing. Because I was thinking, yeah, the AB 5200 is still just sitting at 500 bucks like when i bought it but this has gone up you know 30 and so this is where my uh this is where my plan of uh when i bought the the rep ins i'm like uh i can i'm trying to find here the rep uh I can I'm trying to find here the rep

Sorry pep in Try to do too many things. I want pep in play. Okay right here, so I thought you know what? I'll just buy the 80 pounders and If I decide 80 pounds isn't enough I can buy The add-on plates I you know you don't have to buy it all at once well buy the add-on plates. You know, you don't have to buy it all at once. Well, now that you're already paying a small premium to do that before, now if you go on the Rep website, the Rep Pepin Fast Adjustable Dumbbell Add-on Weight is, how much is this? This is a 25 20 pound set so I would need two pairs to go from 85 to 125 Pounds but one pair so 20 pounds of plates to fit in these things Do you have a guess for how much these 20 pounds were the plates cost?

Let's see $270 Let's see. $220 $270. Yeah, I was just kind of doing math. Yeah, for these 20 plates. So now if I actually did decide I wanted to go up to the full 125 pound set, I'd need two of these, I'd be at $540 for 40 pounds of weights. Yeesh.

That is expensive. They're proud of those. So I don't think I'll be making that move anytime soon. Yeah Wowsers, but still a good thing you bought him when you did a good thing I'd hate to be the dumbass that waited to buy these things Horses ass I'd say that's true about our drink spotters and horse-tall mat coasters and certified training facility Packages are our tees our shorts now is the time to buy You never know off the sidelines

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