Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 481: Is Digital Resistance The Future of Home Gyms?

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! everything. Massenomics. What's up everyone, we're back in the saddle for episode 481 of the Massenomics podcast. Just when you thought you might get rid of us. No, we're back for the 400 and 481st time. The numbers are getting so high. I just, they don't even make any sense when I start to think about that in my head. Just made up numbers at this point. If we keep going at this pace,

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It's a work in progress. Yes. But before we get to that, Tommy, what do you got? Something you're drinking over there this week? Oh, did you just want to see my drink spotter chill? Is that what it was? Twinning.

Yeah. The newest drink spotter in the Masonics drink spotter Do you know what's beyond a trilogy? Quad the quad what's after a trilogy It is. Yep. You guessed it a tetralogy It rolls off the course a tetralogy. I guess there's a reason that nobody ever says

that. No. Isn't that weird though? But why is there so many you like trilogy is so in the common zeitgeist and it's like, you could name all kinds of trilogies. And then are you have you ever heard someone say, tetralogy before actually never I so like there's never been four of something? Everyone just stopped at it. Well, there has, but they just called it the fourth

at that point, the fourth one. But why? Cause Tetralogy just say the word. I think it's self-explanatory. Yeah, but if you'd never heard Trilogy before, you probably would say that sounds dumb too. I'd say the number of syllables being less makes it a little easier. Yeah, Trillogy, tetralogy.

Yeah. Well, I think we're just a couple of guys to bring it into popular culture. Yeah, I think so. You guys actually can you cut that out and let's just start talking about tetralogy like like everyone knows, like, of course, it's a tetralogy. Tetralogy, obviously. Yeah, it's the tetralogy. yes the tetralogy I mean it's like of course this is everyone knows about that right oh is that way the people listening will be like what am I the master trilogy is that like virtual reality what's going on here so what are you drinking over there I had watermelon lime good and

gather always a classic I'm having a spin drift. Like Chad Wesley Smith taught me, you can't beat a spin drift. I saw someone drinking a spin drift the other day because I never buy those. And I had to think for a second, I thought, is there alcohol in those? I can't even remember for sure.

There's so many different, and I know there's not, but I actually had to just give it a second thought because there's so many cans, so many things, and it gets hard to keep track of what actually has alcohol in it anymore. There is three calories though Oh, I'm walking so they're cheating over there. I'm bulking That's some extra extra spice adding that flavor in yeah, this one's a lemon spin drift and some bitch is that is that a delicious beverage? Do you where do you put the opening when you're drinking out of a drink spot or chill? Where do you put the opening when you're drinking out

of a drink spot or chill? Where do you put the can opening? You know, it's actually a good question because by default here, I had it to the side so that when you're drinking it, everyone can see the logo. But I mean, you could make an argument for turning it towards yourself so every time you drink,

you can just stare at the logo yourself too. That seems like the more natural position if I wasn't like purposely showing this off. Yeah. I would put it like looking at the logo. Yeah. But with the drinks water show, there's no wrong way to do it though.

No, that's true. The only wrong way is to not do it at all. That is the only wrong thing. Oh, I don't know if we want to do this first or not, but I got this really fun game for us to play here. Maybe we should, because you've kind of been hyping this up for. Well, I actually have two games.

Oh, two games? Don't click on this one that says ranking. Yeah, I don't click on anything in here. Okay, don't click on this one that says ranking because there's secret stuff in there. Maybe to this week, this is actually the second game that I've come up with to add. The other one's older in here,

but I'm more excited about this one now. So I think this one's gonna supersede. I'm gonna come up with two more games also and then we can do a tetralogy of new games. All right. But if you're, do you think you're game for this? I don't know what the name is we got to come up with a name Oh, what this game maybe when it's all said and done we can yeah, okay, so what it is is

This is going to be ranking list of home gym items And there's going to be ten items Throwing at you from the list okay, and it's your job to rank each one, one through 10, but there's a catch. Do I not get to know what the next one is? It's a blind, it's a blind ranking. You have to rank each, you have to put each one in its spot.

Yeah. And then, uh. Oh. So I don't, by the way, just fire off one right out of the gate. I mean, it's a bold move to do that because you don't know what's coming up next. Have you seen, have you heard about this? Have you seen this before?

I have heard about this. Have you heard about this? So it's a blind ranking of home gym items. Okay. We'll call it home gym essentials and it's your job to rank them all one through ten. But whenever something, just to clarify for everyone playing along at home, once something's put in a spot, it's locked in. There's no moving it once you hear

the other items on the list. So one is going to be the best, 10 is going to be the worst. That's the way we're gonna play. Gotcha. Do you feel comfortable with the rules on the game? Have you heard about this? I guess I would feel comfortable with the rules. I'm not sure I feel comfortable with the game? I am I about this. I guess I would feel comfortable with the rules

I'm not sure I feel comfortable with the game yet, but to be determined. Yeah. All right first one Where do you put it your home gym? Necessities list one through ten first item a single rusty 35 pound Olympic plate Okay, and this is like you're building your home gym almost. Okay, like this is me, should I be thinking of me personally or just like the average home gym builder here? I guess you personally. Me personally, a single rusty 35 pound plate,

that's a nine or a 10 for me. I mean, I- Which one though? God, there's probably something really dumb in here that's to lean with. Okay. I'll go with nine. You could potentially get some utility out of a single rusty 35. That's true. You could do like trunk twists or things like that.

You could possibly use it as even a maybe like a like a deficit of some kind to stand on for deadlifts? Yeah. Okay. Next item on the list. So that's that number nine. Number nine is off the board. You're writing these numbers down so I know. Yeah. Okay.

Yep, I got it here. Nine is off the board. Okay. Next item. A Bluetooth speaker that only plays disturbed down with the sickness on repeat. You can't, and and it's only and it's stuck at max volume It's not a really good you Bluetooth speaker though, so it's only so loud well, I Don't I would rather I'm not but in the alternative is you you don't get music. Yeah

Yeah, I would rather just not have music than just to just listen to disturbed on I wouldn't Like any boots only down with the sickness. It's not a full album Yeah, yeah If any if any Bluetooth speaker was stuck on one song the entire time I worked out I wouldn't want that Bluetooth speaker So I am comfortable saying this is a 10 now like that would act all you're taking the 10 That would actively let me to the point where I wouldn't want to work out if I guess you didn't technically say I had to use the Bluetooth speaker, but that's true. At that point, it's essentially useless because I'm not going to use it. So it actually would be useless. And for that to pick a blue broken blue to speaker that's stuck on repeat and be like oh That's the number four. It's like

Grossly Overrated something like that, so I'm gonna go 10 and just hope for the best here But I might be might be ready these words later big cam said use the 35 to break this 9 and 10 taken care of. All right, let's see if we just keep going up the list here, but next choice, a one beyond power Vultra. I mean, top five for sure, but okay. I was waiting for a catch like one beyond power Vultra,

but it's broken. But I already used the 10, this doesn't do anything. I'm probably, this is our fourth or third item. Yeah, I wanna say like number four, because I'm just hoping in this list, you're gonna have like actual weights Like components of an actual hole. I mean, I don't know you might not are gonna be some real components of a real gym But I would say you're probably not gonna build any complete gym. Okay, okay

But there are some actual Not all just completely Things you would actually want to know stupid things you would actually want to know that which makes me think that like you're either gonna have like a rack or a barbell or plates and all three of those I would pick over a vulture you probably don't have all three of those in but I mean you also have hope you have horse stall mats or some flooring in here somewhere so I'm gonna gonna put the Beyond Power Voltret number four in the home gym build. Four, I like the logic on the placing. That's intelligent.

Next one, our fourth choice. You guessed it, there is flooring available for you to select. And the choice is thin foam puzzle piece flooring. Really? That's my Florida yet. God, that is actually useless. But it's maybe not as detrimental as the Bluetooth Bluetooth. Yeah, I guess it provides some protection, but I don't you don't want to use that, though.

So I guess I'll go I'll go eight there. I'll go eight. Okay All right, I guess like spots are really getting you get stacks up Good stacks them up to protect the weights from the floor. So not totally useless, but not ideal All right thin foam puzzle piece flooring at number eight. All right next one a 465 pound strength co plate set. Okay, I mean, this is top three for sure. But the question is, though, if I just think of the essentials, I said the essentials being

a rack, barbell, plates, weights, that's four items. I'm assuming you're not going to give me all four. I just got to leave a little room. I'm going to say three. I'm going to say number three here. There's number three. I don't even know what one and two would be but I just got to give myself room here I got to give myself a room so you've now ranked half the list

Spots available on the board are one two five six and seven yep, okay one two five six and seven next on the list Donnie Thompson hiding in your closet closet whispering cues to you that whispering cues to you. Ah. Do I have to like? He's just always there. You don't do anything with him outside. You don't care for him. No, not really.

The logistics aren't your problem. He's just like a ghost that's there. Yeah. I'll say that's a number five. That could probably be pretty helpful. Yeah. It's odd. but good to do. You know a thing or two about a thing or two.

Low maintenance too. One pair of 22 pound concrete filled one inch standard weights from the 90s. Okay, God. What's the lowest number I have left? Seven. That's a seven, just the one inch makes it very very very you know what the way did I describe those well enough? Yeah, I know what I'm talking about the gray

cement plates last cement the plastic cement filled play yeah, that's The not not saying they're totally useless, but the applications are somewhat limited yeah Okay, three spots left one two and six six hopefully there's something good left on the list. A 29 millimeter Texas Power Bar in black zinc. Oh that's a classic item the question is is this one or two? One or two. I mean, I couldn't fault someone for putting this at one, but there could be something really good left still. I could also be really rolling the dice here. You know what? I'm feeling kind of risky tonight, we'll go two.

Really leaving yourself up for that number one spot. Okay, one and six are what's left. We got a real upper and a not so much. Yeah, second to last choice here. Seven foot ceilings, seven foot tall ceilings in your home gym. It's not that's definitely not a number one component. So I might just maybe backed into a corner here. That's what'd you say have six, one and six.

And one and six. I'll go six. Let's see here. Okay. Number one on the list. So there's only one spot on your list. Last choice to decide where you want to put it. Although it's not much of a choice.

Last one is a gym cat. Oh, okay. I mean, I wouldn't say number one, but I probably actually wouldn't say top five even. I don't have a problem with cats. I'm just not a cat guy, but I can live with a gym cat at number one on the gym list. That's not terrible.

So to recap. Mathias is right. It works out great for him. Yeah, yeah. So to see, Mathias said that's a 10. Well, he really means it's a one though. Oh, for him maybe it is a 10 because he's always like climbing on him

while he's trying to get things done. So annoying. So to recap your list, you have number one, a gym cat. Number two, a 29 millimeter Texas power bar and black zinc number three a 465 pound strength co plates up. I mean you got the best two well number four beyond power vulture Oh, yeah, those are so I'd say you got the best three things in the top four. Yeah, I think so for sure Yeah, so that's pretty good. Actually it is you played that pretty well

Outside of maybe leaving the G taking the risk on the very last one But you got the I'd say the top three things you got in the top four on the list I mean there's a lot of people that be very happy with that big Keith would love that for he yeah And actually number five you have Donnie Thompson hiding your closet whispering cues That might be the next best thing on the list actually so I think he got Four out of the five and you could even say that the cat is then maybe after Donnie and just like broadly Looking at it Number six seven foot tall ceilings number seven one pair of 22 pound concrete filled one inch weights from the 90s

seven, one pair of 22 pound concrete filled one inch weights from the 90s. Number eight, thin foam puzzle piece flooring. Number nine, a single rusty 35 pound plate and number 10, the Bluetooth speaker that only plays disturbed down with the sickness on repeat, stuck at max volume. That might be your true number. You know, looking back at that list, I don't have a whole lot of regrets on it outside of, you know, in a perfect world. I wouldn't put the cat at number one,

but outside of that, nothing is off by like five places, you know, which could have easily happened. That list worked pretty well, actually. You might have pretty much nailed it for the most part. Yeah, I can live with that. I can live with that list. That's pretty good, pretty. I was expecting it to be a little more,

you'd be less successful at that ranking. After the first two, I was expecting it to be a little more You'd be less successful after the first two I was getting really afraid that I just stepped on a landmine here And I was gonna be in trouble, but Yeah, I mean the like you I could have been really tricky and everything just gets increasingly more terrible That's what I was walking into here. That's just a prank at that point Yeah, like it's I think there has to be a Mick Yeah, I think there has to be a mix of good and bad in there and that's that's pretty good Well, you passed it looks like yeah Excellent home gym con

It's crazy. I didn't In my mind, it's just always two weeks away. It's felt like that for like a month that it's two weeks away. But as of the time people are hearing this, you will be there this week sometime. End of this week, yeah. Which is wild to think about. Yeah, I'll get there Friday, early afternoon. I think like right around noon, maybe even on Friday,

something like that. Somehow get there then. And then what, leave Saturday afternoon? Is that what it was? Yeah and then what leave Saturday afternoon is that what it was? Yeah, leave back on Saturday afternoon. So it'll be a busy day recording on Friday Friday evening hanging out whatever everyone's doing. I'll we'll get in on it and then Saturday waking up and hitting it as soon as it starts

Recording again pretty much until it's time to go to the airport And then I'm gonna go to the airport and h high tail it back out of there to get back to western northeast South Dakota. So it's going to be a fast. It's going to be a barn burner. It is. And you have the advantage of you get to you get to fly local this time, not something you get to do very often. Flying out flying directly out of western northeast South Dakota. So hopefully there's no big flight delays.

A big flight delay would just mean that the church done I'd be like can I just catch the flight going back like if you you know Yeah, there's like turn me around the other way if that doesn't work. Then. Yeah, the trips just done Big Gary wants to know if Minnie's gonna have wool in his hair I've been coaching him up on this. So yeah, there's a good chance. He will I Hope so it wouldn't be quite the same if he didn't have wool. And for those that haven't heard it, I know I said it that last couple of weeks, but if you are a supporting member

or you're wearing a piece of Mastromix merch, you will be I will be passing out free home gym nerd stickers. Just don't put them up around the building. They said they're going to find us a hundred dollars for every home gym nerd stickers. Just don't put them up around the building. They said they're gonna find us $100 for every home gym nerd sticker that they find in Louisville. The city of Louisville said that. That's the Arnold bathroom sticker. We still have the, the real prank is when you show me

that you're a supporting member or that you're wearing some massonomics, I'm actually gonna hand out Arnold bathroom stickers. Should I bring these to plaster up in the bathroom in Louisville? What did we do? The Arnold people are gonna come out of the woodwork and be like, no, you're fine, we knew it. Fine.

They said no bathroom stickers. That's it, you're fine. Anything else on Home Gym Con, watch out for our that's going to be coming out from that, right? Be a bunch of videos popping up. Other than that, I'm very jealous. I won't be making it. I have to attend a family wedding, but I'll be there in spirit. Yeah. I guess maybe this seems obvious, but it's not because we do have to say it, because a lot of times people don't do it. If you see me and you come up and say hi,

or like there's an interaction, make sure to tell me that you listen to the podcast or watch the YouTube or something like that. Otherwise, I won't know that. I just think you're just a person being friendly is all. Right, right, and I'd rather connect with you on like you actually Following along on stuff that'd be that's much more fun and interesting to hear about what people

What people what content people are consuming so do let me know if you're? If you're if you're in the know if you're in the crew any that's like if you're a supporting member make sure to tell me You're a supporting member. That would also be helpful. Yes, or if you even listen to the podcast just say that right All right Do we want to do supporting our supporting members or anything else first? Yeah, let's let's do that then we can look at a gym Okay, maybe while I do supporting our supporting members. Are you gonna get your eyes on a certified training facility there? Yes, but my eyes on the prize. Okay.

All right. So I'm going to pull up here. Supporting our supporting members is a relatively new segment to the podcast. You know, we haven't always been doing this. The supporting membership program is relatively new in the scheme of mass, as far as like the total scheme of massomics is concerned. So if you haven't heard about it, it's the supporting membership program that we offer. You can sign up.

Someone recently that was signing up wanted to ask me like what each different level means and gets you and stuff like that. Well, it's a little bit ambiguous sometimes. What I would say is there's a level for everyone. If you go to mathsmics.com slash join, you can check out all the membership options and see which one's right for you.

I promise there's one there that's right for you. The only one that's wrong is not getting one at all. When you sign up for a supporting membership, you get a whole bunch of stuff. There's a discount code that only goes to supporting members. It's the only way you get in our Discord. It's the only way you can listen to our pre-show. That's the show before the show that's never recorded.

So the only way you hear it is by listening along live. You can listen live to the regular show. We put out information about drops, early releases. It's pretty much the only way you can get signed up for our powerlifting or strongman competitions because supporting members get first access to that. It gets you just involved in a community of like-minded individuals that enjoy having a good time. Probably the most important part is what we have coming up soon. There's going to be a line in the sand. We're getting closer to this line in the sand where if you're before the line in the sand you're gonna get this free mailer that we're sent mass mailing out to every supporting member. If you join before that date, that date

is coming soon this summer. We don't know the exact date yet. As we get even closer we'll put out the exact date so you know the definitive line in the sand. But what I'd say now is if you get joined up at the time you're listening this you'll be safe. So get joined up now. Last thing you get on is supporting our supporting members like this week, Big Jessica Bittner, third place at IPF Worlds in the 84 kilogram female class. And I think also third place in the deadlift specifically. So big place podium finish at IPF Worlds. Nothing to shake a stick out there supporting member. Big Ben

competed in strength through adversity event. And he had several good good lifts including a 605 pound wagon wheel deadlift PR. There was a SoCal crew meet up including Andrew mofo scar Cody and one of the Davids saw that looks like trouble. That looked like fun. I thought I wouldn't want to get mixed up in that crowd. There was a Rochester crew meet up, including Derek, Keith, Steph, Matt, Jess, Chris and Dan, all of them big. What do you say when you saw that? I said, said, wish I was there.

Wish I could have friends like that someday. People hang out with. I'd like to have those someday. Looks nice. Big Tyler and Big Peter both competed at Detroit Muscles arm lifting USA Super Series. I like the names of competitions when it's all like the it's a super series and I like the names of competitions when it's all like the it's a super series and stuff like that. I like, OK, I don't know what it means,

but it sounds pretty good. Mm hmm. Big Mo hit a family PR with a new daughter in law. So tell your son, I suppose. Congrats on the funeral. Relay the message. Yeah. Big Dan upgraded pre meditated pre meditated health

and performance gym to his now 8000 square foot facility. Oh, that is not a small facility. That's some also a facility. Yeah. Big Evan who thankfully logged on just in time here that tonight competed at Alberta powerlifting union Also, a training facility. Yeah. Big Evan, who thankfully logged on just in time here tonight, competed at Alberta Powerlifting Union Provincials and qualified for regionals in the process. Sounds very Canadian, doesn't it? It does. It does.

It's the most Canadian thing you've said all month. Yes. And big generally was this week's guest on Unpaid and Underrated. Go give it a listen Find out more about crew and supporting members People you can give you be friends with That's it from this week supporting our supporting members Make sure to do get signed up though to become a supporting member now would be the time we got this gift coming up soon

and I would just be I'd be mortified if honestly if you decide not to get signed up in time for this it would be you will Punish yourself for the rest of your life I if you don't do that I couldn't imagine that feeling and I'll feel punished on your behalf if you don't do it honestly Okay, did you find us a certified training So you know is clicking around a lot here and there was one It was one that kind of jumped out and caught my attention here. I want you to head south all the way south to

Oklahoma City Oklahoma This little gym called legacy strength and fitness There a couple gyms right right right around there's two stacked right on top of each other there, okay? Let's go look at James. Yeah, but this first one has five photos legacy strength and fitness Okay Legacy strength and fitness I want to notate this legacy All right, what do you see there? Okay, so first one first photo probably least exciting photo still not bad

but looks like like a custom deadlift platform, I think with like a Like a rug with like a dragon and a barbell. I mean cool, but what really caught my attention Is when you go to photo number two Okay, you can start to get a look of the aesthetic here and we have First off. I think it's the first gym gym we've had with these hex lights in it. I don't think we've seen any of these yet. Yeah. And then they have, it looks like a blue,

actually if I make this bigger I can find out for sure. They have a blue, I think it's a rep rack, but let me see if I can zoom in here and get a better look at this thing. Looks like, or no, maybe that's a rogue. Maybe that's a rogue. Was that got the integrated cable stacks on them then? Yeah, this might be the actual rogue functional trainer.

Okay. I don't know my functional trainers well enough to say. I think this might be the rogue functional trainer. Okay. Actually, I don't know. It's well enough to say I think this might be the rogue functional trainer Okay, actually, I don't know. I think it's either the rogue or the rep functional trainer. It's one of the two I don't know well enough. It looks really really nice either way and It's in blue. They got a matching blue bench to go with it. They got The it's just a bench is that a rep bench that's what I can't tell either doesn't quite look like mine So maybe that is a rogue one But I thought the rogue front was a little different. That's I'm confused. I don't know for sure there

He says it's a rogue bench 3.0. Okay, that must be it then so I can either know like what the man array is And I'm like, it doesn't have that manner a shape front. So, okay So maybe it's a whole rogue setup. I would think maybe if you have the rogue bench Those are the rogue mini feet off the front of that, right? Okay. Well, there you go. You would know so you got that There's a drink spotter attached to the functional trainer here. So that looks great there that piece looks great We got some bumper plates hanging off the back of it, too Then there's a little stand that it looks like the repons are down there. Do you see those? Oh, yeah, and then we have some wall control of the stainless look to it or some Attachments there some prime attachments. You can see the certified training facility

Certificate and flag in the upper corner and to the side. There is a prime machine there. Do you see that Tanner? Yeah Is that the leg curl? That's what I'm trying to see a different angle here now. Uh, yeah. If you go to the last photo, that is the leg curl. Yes, you are correct. So you just also to be the leg extension then I guess. Right. Yeah, maybe I don't know my prime stuff. Is that, oh yeah, that's right. Yes. Yes, it could bounce between the two right? So you got that and then if you go back to the photos and look at number three you can see the deadlift platform You got some bars on the wall. You got a TV you have what looks like a

Lay oh, yeah, there's a there's a hack squat and then a leg press next to that and what are those bolts very compact I think I've seen these reference before online because of how compact they are but I cannot really our space-saving yeah they are they're they're very low profile but I cannot remember what the brand name is on those and then if you look at photo number four, you can see the full power rack so yeah, he does have a functional trainer rack and then a completely separate rack for Lifting we have a looks like it's not messing around No, he's got a the subject and also I think this is rolled floor rolled flooring right here, right?

This is big fat pupper underscore MD is who we're dealing with here. Big fat pupper underscore MD. Yeah, rolled flooring. Rolled flooring, we got these. He's got that, the non-adjustable rogue bench like that we have in the gym. The flat bench with the Thompson fat pad on it, maybe?

I mean, could be, I guess. Yeah, I think so. And then, yeah, you got the six Posts all kinds of specialty bars in the back got the Rhino in the back too. So I can't tell is that the yeah That's a drop-in Rhino. I think right the integrated Rhino. Yeah, and then he's got I like that he's got those blocks to really elevate the Right is that what those are just blocks to stand on top of your belt squatting to really work that range of motion It's a guy that knows I'm right there out of like the pull-up area on the rack. Yeah, that's kind of unusual

You don't see that too often Yeah over and then the overall aesthetic of the gym is really like the flooring is top-notch the lighting is great the walls It's all kind of like a mix of grays and blacks. It looks legit. This is a really nice looking gym. Yeah. He's not messing around with this one. Yeah. Hashtag goals, am I right?

Yeah. That's legit. You know the last thing I was trying to piece together on this that I couldn't even quite tell from all the photos, but I was just, maybe you got a feel for this, but do you think you could get strong in this place? Oh, hell yeah. Me and big fat pupper MD are getting real strong up in there.

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coated plates on the market. Should get everyone the axe are out of here. Feel like a weight's been lifted off of my shoulders with these guys being gone and gals. Do we need to talk about what this. Title topic is going to be. Yeah, so the title topic here again, we're still working on the final formal title of it. Do you need a little title topic is gonna be? Yeah, so the title topic here, again, we're still working on the final formal title of it. Do you need a little title topic intro music? But yes, hit me with that intro music.

Oh, wah, ah, ah, ah. So I'm bouncing between two ideas here, Jan and work with me. So the first one is, will digital resistance take over? That was the initial idea, but okay, follow me along. Just roll with me here. Ready for this? Yeah.

The rise of digital resistance. I think we've had time. I mean, did we just do an episode called the rise of machines and home gyms a couple months ago? Maybe. But maybe there's a newcomer on the scene and there's another rise. All right, what about this one

just completely out of left field? Cotton cheese colon the best super food ever invented by man. I mean, I'm not arguing with the title, a little off topic from what we prepared for, but I can roll with it Justin I'm spitballing there. You know, you said I feel this is like a blue sky This is a blue sky exercise there's also some hat thing that have you ever learned the hat thing I was putting on my certain color hat to this

I don't know if it's the white hat or which hat is when it's only all ideas are good ideas that's there's like five different hats you put on okay I don't know that one also look into don't waste your time no I'll look deeply into it don't look into it someone listening will know what I'm talking about and they can agree with me do not look into it Something like the seven hats of some bullshit by as presented by someone that your corporate company made a lot of money to be there. Okay, I went too far.

I already went. What is it called? The phase seven hats of, I just typed in. It's actually the six thinking hats. And the President of the United States Yeah, okay It's the It's actually six with blue appearing twice

I don't know what the white hat focuses on facts and information red hat emotions and feelings Black hat identifies risk and problems. Okay. Yeah, this sounds god-awful here. I Warned you. Oh god. Why did you do this to me? Oh, I had the wrong. I had my black hat on I guess No should have been the yellow hat. I Have a book if you want to borrow it. Oh, it's in book form then it sounds very fresh Really been opened Yikes Get it out of my brain.

Yeah, so probably won't be that. So I was just just thinking about the cottage cheese thing. OK, what about this? One last choice here. Digital resistance, semi colon. The squat of the total body. Now you might be onto something with that. Okay, okay.

Codded squat of the tonal body. Codded cheese colon, the power queens of nutrition. People know they're effective, but they don't wanna go there. That's true. Effective, underutilized, people don't know what they're missing. That's true.

They thought it was just for younger people. There again, not super related to what we're gonna talk about, but I really like the topic title. Could be onto something Okay, so what is this? Why are we talking what coop had a video on this didn't yeah? What was actually called? I actually didn't finish the video I was trying to do my homework and watch the video and tried watching it twice and to be brutally honest

This isn't taking a shot at anyone, but I fell asleep immediately both times trying to watch that video It was while you were driving right driverless cars that's right okay actually what was his gyms okay his video he took you know we took a pretty practical approach to it his was titled home gyms are going away parentheses as you know them he went with the parentheses, okay. And close parentheses? No, just left a wide open. He left it open. Oh God, that is an open-ended thought.

No, he did close the parentheses. He did close it. He's not completely insane. He went with parentheses in the title, huh? Yeah. We've never done that before, have we? I don't know, Hartem, we've never done it once, but probably if we've done it It's only been the one or two times. I would guess that's a ballsy move. It is it is and then his thumbnail says

Bye Let's let's put our our title in brackets. Yeah Maybe that's right term for the school. Okay. Yeah Yeah, what about the bracket thing that's kind of like Squeaky curly brackets. Yeah, the curly brackets. What are those called? Yeah, I'm looking for it. Oh, yeah I see it on my keyboard. There's there on the sit. They share the button with your rackets I can't I think what those are. How are those? Oh The tetralogy is there you go

Yeah, it's a it's a curly bracket also called a brace. Oh a brace. Yeah, obviously Yeah, you ever use that for anything before in your life Occasionally it gets used in code a lot. So copy pasting things. I mean, okay write code But like so it's code outside of code. Yeah, it's a code I'm not sure I ran across that in English writing too often Yeah, that might be one of the least used things though that I see visually on my keyboard Yeah, do you use the tilde very often? You're gonna have to

Use descriptors there. Well, let me see if I got the right word there But tilde till the tilde or tilde use descriptors there. Well, let me see if I got the right word there. Matilda. Til, is it tilde or tilde? Tilde. No, that's not right. Yeah, tilde. There we go. I said tilde.

Tilde. That's my keyboard, the upper left, and right underneath my escape key. There's that wiggly little hyphen looking thing. Yeah, I use that all the time. Yeah, tilde. I use that all the time. I, Tildy. I use I use that all the time I don't know I use that as in with before a number it means about yeah Yeah, I use that I use that I work at work constantly because it like doesn't tie me to

Yes What's all this numbers until the yeah, I do use till the all the time actually All this numbers until the end I do use till the all the time actually Now you know what you're firing away over there. Yeah in the last few years I started utilizing that a lot play with a loaded gun. You don't even know what it's called. Yeah So that's the till D. That's the till D. What's the thing that shares the key with that? Is that just like another apostrophe kind of or an accent mark or something? Yeah, I guess so It's just like a it's like an accent mark or something. Yeah, I guess so. It's just like an accent mark.

It's like an apostrophe that goes the other direction. Right. Yeah, I don't actually know. I don't know if I've ever used that one. That is a different one. Do you use the tilde for anything? Not really, no. I do use the tilde quite a bit, actually.

Yeah, no, I don't use it ever actually, okay Keyboard talk yeah. Yeah, we've talked keyboards like functionality and like styles of keyboards before but I don't know in the 481 episodes that we've really really Drove deep into the buttons themselves into the finer points of what's all on here It was right in front of our faces the whole time this perfect podcast episode topic I prefer to say it was right at our fingertips the whole time and we just yeah You're kind of a shortcut guy though, right? Oh big big shortcut guy over here. Yeah Started doing a you know the tricky part about shortcuts. They're good if you can remember them

Well, the thing is you just do them and then you don't have to remember them anymore It's like telling someone how to play a video game How to do it you just gotta do it do it yeah I'm fairly confident There's a lot that I would have a very hard time telling you what it actually is but I could just knock them out all day You know yeah Yeah, okay title topic then yeah title topic. It's a topic keyboards do we need a good for Have you ever used one so not in the comments till these you know what till the means

All right, okay, well digital resistance takeover so this the inspiration for this video was coupe had a like we said a rather sensational video actually Performed fairly well for him talking about home gyms are going away as we know it like we said and The point of his video. It's about 20 minutes long Like Tanner said don't watch if you're tired. You might fall asleep a couple times, but yep What he is doing in the video? He's mostly hyping up the Vulture off the Beyond Power of Ultra something We've talked about several times on this and if you don't know what that is

It is a little digital resistance box It can provide up to 200 pounds of resistance for you And as long as you can mount this box to something you can do pretty much whatever you want with it and they got options for It's it's and it's not just straight weight so they got options for feeling like you have bands feeling like you have chains feeling like I Don't know. What do they got like eccentric like different? There's a ton of like basically any way you can rig weight to make it feel different This box can do out of the box, you know, I can you can just do that for you. So

Being that it is so compact, you know, I don't know. What is the box weight? 10 pounds maybe, Tanner? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, it weighs 10 pounds. You know, it's not very big, super portable, and very versatile. Coop is really hyping this up as the next big thing. And I mean, he has a lot of good points in it. He kind of contradicts himself a few times, then also says there's some exceptions here and there But I thought maybe we should do our take on it and see how we feel about digital resistance being the next

Thing that's gonna Make your home gym go away. Yeah So should we talk about some of the pros that we have listed here? Yeah Jumping there's one comment on this video. I really liked should I do that now or should I yeah do that? Okay? big Joe We know big Joe don't we big Joe supporting member isn't he what Joe is it Joe? With the D co-am oh

Yeah, it's a commenter all the time isn't he? Yeah pretty sure he's a sport number. All right yeah, he had probably my favorite comment on this video and He left the comment he goes who we went from buy once cry once and Pass it on to your grandkids to expensive digital products We need to replace every couple of years like a cell phone and says hold my barbell And that is really funny cuz it's kind of like throwing it back and Coop's face of his saying on everything is buy ones cry ones buy the nicest one you can afford get the craziest thing this Stuff lasts forever and that's where

That's probably leading into I don't know maybe the first con or the biggest con of this entire thing is that? This is new technology, and we just have no idea What the future holds. Right? Yeah. That and yeah. And like to his point, how long it's actually going to last. Because yeah, like if I go and buy a set of strength kill

plates, like I, you know, and I forget, depending on where you live, you know, shipping what it comes out to being per pound But like I know I can always recoup a decent amount of that Or even a large percentage of that At almost any point, you know, as long as you don't totally Destroy the plates which is hard to do when we're talking strength kill plates But as long you don't totally destroy them, there's always gonna be a market for those

You know whether that's five years from now ten years from now fifteen years from now That's maybe the biggest question mark is even three years from now Does Volta come out with a new product that renders this one? Or should they be on power do they come out with a product that relieves? Makes the Voltra obsolete? Do they come with a product that's significantly cheaper? Does the product just not work three years from now? Is it suffering from some type of failure three years from now where it has diminished

capabilities? We just don't know. We have no clue what it looks like two, five ten years from now on this item. I Mean, it's almost I would take it to the bank five to ten years from now Something will be changed drastically and that either to the point that the ones you have now are Crap compared to what's available or they don't even work It would like one of those two things will probably be a certainty.

Either the newer improved options are way better than the one you bought, making the one you bought pretty, you know, very minimal value, or they might not even work. Like 10 years from now, are those gonna work? Like what if you're betting like ever, like the Volta, so if you've been using it for 10 years, like is it gonna work in 10 years from now, are those going to work? Like, what if you're betting, like, like a Voltor, if you've been using it for 10 years, like, is it going to work in 10 years?

Well, that's what, okay, so that's what I was trying to look at here. And because it's using some type of electromagnetic motor, is how this whole thing is, you know, it's electromagnetic resistance. And I understand it as a guy that knows nothing about electricity and basically nothing about motors, is that it's this little like electric motor that is somehow

creating the resistance and just asking Chad GPT here like, you know, what does it understand about this which is probably slightly more than me, but probably not much and This is saying a typical lifespan of a high quality brushless DC motor or servo motor is 10,000 to 30,000 hours and it's saying assuming moderate daily use of one hour a day, 10,000 hours would mean this last 27 years and 30,000 hours means this last 82 years. And that's if you use it an hour for every single day, which most people don't, wouldn't use this for an hour every day of their life. No, no, not on average. I mean, for sure, other parts are

going to fail before then if that was actually the case. Well, the battery for sure will. Yeah, the battery for sure would need to be replaced before then, because that is how this unit operates is by battery. I would also imagine that the screen, the touchscreen, things like that are probably going to suffer from something. But again, this is all just speculation.

Speculation, because you have no no idea this is such a new product. You know, you don't really know how long it's going to be around. So that's I think that's probably the biggest unknown right now. Like if we had, you know, if this was time in it, if you knew that this was good for 20 years, I think a lot of people probably just like, yeah, I'll spend the two grand and a few hundred bucks on some mounts and just buy this for 20 years. Like I'll do that.

But I think it's just that unknown factor that makes it really hard to recommend right now. Yeah. Other pros or some of the pros, I guess a big one is potentially space saving if you're comparing it to other things directly that You would have in your gym if you're really saying it's replacing things in your gym Then I suppose it could save space although

Counterpoint I would say to that a lot of the way that I see people utilizing this so far is I would say to that a lot of the way that I see people utilizing this so far is Not actually saving any space because you're just adding it to things you already have nobody's getting rid of Well, like if those are adding more over your they're adding more rights and more extension right things like this really took over your gym I suppose it's space saving. I've almost yet to see Hardly anyone use it that way. I think the biggest space saver I've seen is people using this as a belt squat. Yeah. Can be a, cause belt squats are enormous. This can be a considerable saving.

Enormous. Enormous. This can be a considerable saving over a standard belt squat. You still need the floor space to do a belt squat but compared to something like a rhino That's to me actually one of the most attractive options of this whole setup is is something like that Well, that's part of it then to like especially with the you know Dr. Tati waffles and Darko mount and different things you can do it is very versatile in the sense that you can put it almost anywhere in your gym and do several different things with it including like the belt squat, flies, curls, triceps stuff, anything you do with a cable you could do with this. That's where I'm like okay you can use it for belt squats, you

could use it for cable flies, some stuff like that. Is it gonna roll downs? Yeah, is it gonna replace? Are you gonna replace your pressing movements with it? Are you gonna replace an act like a squat? Are you gonna come up with an apparatus to? Squat with it across your back Yeah, and that's far across your back. I think maybe that's one of my biggest watching the coop video I think maybe that's one of my biggest watching the coupe video watching it from our perspective because you and I have a very similar training style and very similar goals and Actually a lot of the people that we our acquaintances with friends with lift with have very similar goals as well And those are typically more

Performance focus or something along the lines of strong man and powerlifting, you know that's where a lot of people are coming from is those training methodologies. And when I look at the Vultra, I think, oh, this is a cool accessory helper. I don't think like this is completely changing all of my training. And someone like Koop, the way he brings it out, I think he said he uses it for like 80% of his training.

And I'm like, that's just so not how I train. That's not the way I train. No, that's just like not my training style. You know that by the time, you know, my training revolves around some variation, like the big three, squat bench deadlift, or some variation of those big three with a barbell. And then usually there's some dumbbell work involved.

And then yeah, there's some cable accessory on some days not all days and so As much as I would love of ultra there would definitely be days where I just straight-up wouldn't use one In my training and when you would use it it'd be either the third or fourth Exercise you did for the day if at highest of the second. Yeah, the second would be, maybe on an upper body day. Possibly on a belt squat. Yeah, or like I'm done benching

and I'm moving to lat pull downs. Like that would be, you know, a second option. Even then I'm like, that's barely a second lift. Like that's, you know, like it is a third or fourth lift. For people that train, I'm not even saying you have to be a power lifter, but people who train to, people who seriously strength train,

here, I'll even just say this, this is maybe more controversial. Oh, hot tick alert? Yeah, I'm not even saying a power lifter. If you seriously strength train, if you're training to get strong. And I mean, like legit, not go from, you know, pressing 135 on a traditional bench press to press pressing a 165, you know, that's like, that's not what I'm talking

about. Like if you're someone that really has a goal of getting stronger, maybe if even, even for athletic performance wise, I can see this being a tool to add to your toolkit, I in no way in its present form could see this replacing it. Like there's that's I mean, it would be far inferior in my eyes, like there's just I think yes, I think at the end of the day, like the bar is

inferior, like as much as people, maybe dead times don't want to want to acknowledge it like the barbell is just so good at what it does And so like rigging this up to like replace the barbell is either you're introducing a lot of headache or annoyance or hassles. It's just Yeah, so it's not as good at it like Not as good rigging things up to make it not as good at what's the tool we already have does Yeah, then that's where I think at the end of the day. This is just always going to be You know if like strength high-end strength or like higher levels of strength are your primary goals this at best will just be an accessory Helper an accessory tool an accessory fun item to have in your training. Yeah, here's a potential benefit of it that I'm not really on board with.

Maybe for rare circumstances and people is the quiet operation. You know, you don't have the banging of weights and stuff. I'm like, I want that. Like taking that away is not a positive to me. Even in a home gym though. I'm like Live pretty quietly if you're like the heaviest thing would be I guess if you're slamming plates into the you know You're when you're loading plates and you're slamming them in but it's really easy to like let them in gently like I've Lifted with people sleeping in my house commonly and then

Also, I guess like deadlifts like just don't drop them or you can get you know Different types of crash pads like you can build a platform of kinds that would let you deadlift quieter if that's an issue But I the sound thing I think is a little over Being that this is for the most part replacing accessory stuff that is already using cables I don't really buy that as. Well, call me old fashioned, but I enjoy the sights and sounds of a gym. Well, yeah, especially in a gym. And I get it.

People are a little more sound conscious in a home gym, but I don't think your dumbbell flies in your functional trainer or what's keeping everyone up. Right, in your lap hold down. I don't think that this is like I don't think that should be the selling factor on this. Yeah, I guess another part the cool things about not not that this really helps to none of this really makes a case for replacing any of those existing core items in the gym. But some

of the other positives too is just like, kind of almost like what using an app like Juggernaut does, the tracking and what it has the potential to do because it is hooked up to software. I mean, it's maybe not even what it's doing now, but just what it could be able to do in the future. I could see that getting pretty cool. I could too, but-

As far as your programming's like integrated into the device possibly or whatever. Right, but that always feels a little gimmicky to me. Like- That's true. Something's gotta change. In present form, that is still gimmicky. Maybe it can get to something

where that doesn't seem gimmicky. Like that's a tonal then at that point. And I'm like, no, that's stupid now. You know, like- Remember when we were at Jake's and he had those Kabata dumbbells and like you would change the weight and the weight- Immediately I was like, nope, that's stupid now. You know, like I'm like. Remember when we were at Jake's and he had those Kabata dumbbells and like you would change the weight and the weight. Immediately I was like, no.

The weight would light up and the LED screen would tell you how much it weighed. And I'm like, this kind of just feels like it's technology for technology's sake. And I think he's like, oh yeah, you can do them and it will count your reps. And it's like, you know what I don't need help with? Counting my reps.

Like that's the easiest part of my workout there is, is when I'm in the moment, just counting what I don't need help with counting my reps like the easiest part of my workout There is is when I'm in the moment just counting what I'm doing I mean, that's literally the only thing you're doing is trying to get reps like that's what you're there for so I That one just doesn't do anything for me either The feel like some people talks about the feel of it as a con we've both messed around with a little bit I don't know for those like accessory movements and stuff. I thought it felt it feels good I actually might say the field might be a pro over like a normal cable machine because yeah So one thing this is again not haven't had a ton of time to play with it But in a cable machine you can kind of jerk that initial spot

and get some momentum going. I'm not sure you can actually do that on these machines. Like I think it keeps, you know, I think it adapts to however much you're pulling on it. So I think it's probably a more realistic feel, a realistic feel throughout the motion, throughout the movement than what a standard cable machine would be.

And also as far as feel goes, you can control those, you know those What's the what's the hot word the force are the the? Resistance curve. Oh sure. I mean that essentially is what the what the Vultra is It's just is letting you resist the adjustment. Yeah, just the resistance curve throughout. So I To me, I kind of give the edge to the Vultra here in being that it does offer more options as far as the field goes. Yeah. Did we talk about the price of them? You know? Yeah, that's kind of where we started with is that like that that is

just the ultimate rope. If these things were $400. I mean, I think everyone just have them already, you know, like that there are 400 and as good as because there are like $400 options. Yeah But but then they're not good almost at all No Like if the vulture itself was this little box that went up to 200 pounds had this good screen Easy to use interface all these little features if it did all that for 400 bucks, man I don't know one would have you just would you know there?

I mean every home chip it would go from I don't know what you figure that one to five percent are owning it now like 80% of them might own it if it was right and I don't think that that 400 numbers happen anytime soon to me the number where it gets more into common to be like under a thousand you know if this gets under a thousand then it's like oh like that is that's pretty tempting but you know 2, 2000 tax shipping, some mounts, you know, like everyone we've talked to is like, oh yeah, you're kind of into this for 2,500 by the time you do it.

Right. And that's, that's a big turnoff. One thing that Beyond Power does different than a lot of these though, is that Beyond Power does not charge a subscription fee yet. And that is also something that I would still be wary of going forward is all of the, you know, Tonal, Peloton.

I really don't like that if they start changing. I really don't like that. That's like a complete turnoff for me if there's a subscription behind it. You know, you look at a Tonal, which a Tonal's just a different version of this that has, you know, like a screen and a built-in platform. Yeah, it's less mobile, I guess.

Right, but like a Tonal, so this is saying, each Tonal requires a 12-in platform. Yeah, it's less mobile, I guess. Right, but like a tonal. So this is saying, each tonal requires a 12-month membership commitment of $60 a month. And then the tonal itself is like $4,300. Holy crap, I did not realize what a tonal actually costs. Yeah, it's like, god damn, and it's $300 to get this thing delivered. So you're at $5,000 for the first year,

because you've got to have the subscription, too. And then every year going forward it's $720 like damn dude. That is a lot of money nice gym gym subscription That's the thing like that's kind of just what a lot of gyms cost, you know, right? Get it this thing's offering you Convenience but Yeah, but if that thing was if you were paying for a gym membership and that they have one of those Would you even use it? No, because that's the thing you're using this because you know

You just yeah something compact and small and convenient But a total is kind of a different product because that really doesn't fit what we're trying to do here Which is really the one that's even appealing in this conversation, right? Because they're not doing the subscription thing. But then again, who knows? Do they come out sometime and say, hey, yeah, we'll sell you $1,000 Vultra, but it's also going to cost you like $50 a month.

And if you cancel your subscription, then this product is a brick now. It's not the craziest thing in the world. Stuff like that is happening all the time, you know, with more and more stuff moving to subscription services. So to be seen, I believe in that video, Coop said, yeah, they promise they're not going to do that,

but you're kind of taking their word for it. That's something doesn't happen that's not advantageous to you. Conceptually too, like the thought of it replacing things in the home gym, that's where I'm a little hung up on it, that I'm still like, I'm just saying what people are doing now, and it's not replacing shit.

It's just an entire additional thing people are adding. Like it's not, it's barely, you could make a case like Dr. Tati Waffles, he did effectively replace having a belt squat in the back of his rack to me That's really the main thing that it replaces a belt squat other than that is like it's just replacing the weight stacks is the way To think of it, you know the lat pull down. Okay, you still need the apparatus That's what I'm saying, but you're still need most of the nuts Yeah, you're just don't have the weight stack or if you move it To even in the rock even in the belt squat. That's kind of the case. You still have to like

Mount something to the you have to have something on the floor and a platform to stand on Yeah, I mean it and they do have that hairs on that a little yeah, they do have that platform You know But it like again in comparison to a like that to me I have said this already is the most compelling thing of when I compare to Having a rhino versus potentially being able to do almost that same thing with this. It's like oh god like Space saving so much room, you know if I had unlimited space be like, oh no You just get the rhino every time who cares about it

but like I'm for the most part trying to stay in like half of a stall in my garage And a rhino would damn near double my floor space all the sudden, but even as we've seen that I Still agree that that's probably that's like is probably the that's probably the best use for it But you can't even do that. We've seen in gyms. We've toured that haven't published yet Yeah, you can do that save the space not have to have The giant belt squat machine and still not do it with digital resistance. There's options for that too. Yeah, very very do absolutely very doable You know here you do have the the added convenience and safety of okay this mission You know the weight stack only activates when you want it to you know

so you have some some additional options there and I believe coupe talks about it in the talks about it from the perspective of, oh, I picture a day where sometime commercial gyms, instead of having weight stacks, they just have machines with these things sitting in them. And I'm like, oh, I think you haven't been outside of the home gym bubble lately to see how people actually treat stuff in a commercial setting. Well, that's a maintenance nightmare. Oh, God, I mean, the machines on their actually treat stuff in a commercial setting. Well, that's that's a maintenance nightmare.

Oh, God. I mean, the machines on their own go to a commercial gym. Machines are broken all the time in a commercial gym. These are commercial machines, you know, like it's not. A treadmills are always broken. Yeah. You know, that's what it's like. Yeah. You got like a belt. You just have to keep a belt moving and then turn it up the right, you know. So that's that's where I think that that's probably a long ways off,

just the way people are hard on shits. I think that's a real, that's, I don't even see it. Like I don't see that being a thing in our lifetime that you go to a gym and it's like, oh sweet, all digital resistance. You know, I'm like, I don't buy that that'll be a thing in like a, you know, maybe there could be niche. Yeah, it's a very high end boutique. Jim, right. Maybe I actually could see that I could see that popping up right now.

If you're in like. L.A. and you're like, oh, yeah, it's the all whatever digital resistance gym, you know, it's this fad thing that we're selling you on. And the membership is $400 a month month and like some people are like, yep I'm sold and I could see that sort of thing And actually I'm shitting on a lot. I actually like the vulture Like all these I'm just out here. We do we are fans actually like that I'm just saying I for the argument of it replacing things. I don't receive see it replacing

Replacing is the specific word for me. I don't see it replacing. Replacing is the specific word for me. I don't see it replacing much in the short term, especially where I'm like, I think it's a cool add on. Like it's a cool other thing for you to get quit. Don't, but don't sell yourself that you're saving money or much of else. Like you're not like, Ooh, I'll get this instead of that. It's like, nah, you're probably just gonna get that also. And then you get another thing for your gym. Like that's like, then you got another cool toy

for your gym. And I don't mean toy as in something that's hokey or like you got another cool piece of equipment for your gym to use, you know. That's the way I look at it. Yeah, I didn't actually think of it before that it's really not replacing much. Like you say that it's it really at most in most situations is replacing a weight stack Especially it doesn't replace shit if you're someone that really strength trains if you're like

Oh, I like to go in and catch a pump and I'm like I'm bodybuilding but not like an actual bodybuilder I'm just, I'm bodybuilding, but not like an actual bodybuilder. I'm just like building my body. And by that I mean I don't like squats and deadlifts because they hurt. Yeah, and my split is like I have two different upper body days, and then I got my shoulder day. And I've kind of poo-pooed to that style of training

before and I really don't mean to poo-poo that, but that's the type of person that this could be a thing for if you're like if you start a chess day with a chest fly You're going in you're like it's a chess day and your first thing you do is a chess fly This might be for you It's back day Though and now this you're like damn you're at five grand by the time you get two of these and the mounts and everything Which is that is a lot of money like that is a lot Yeah

Yeah, I Like them I guess Actually do it is like the coolest thing in home gyms right now. It's they are really cool. They are super cool but like even if if cool. They are super cool. But like even if if here's an exit, if all of a sudden 10 of them got dropped off at my doorstep tomorrow, and it was like, replace whatever you want to in massonomics gym with these, like, well, for the better of the members, what would I actually replace in the gym

that people would be like, Oh, good, you improved this by using this instead of that. Well, and there it's actually really hard because there is a learning, like that's just where it doesn't work in a commercial gym because there is such a learning curve with it. Like it would just be too much for most people.

Cause I mean, you actually have to like walk everyone through it. Like they're relatively self-explanatory, but once you start talking to different modes and all that, it's confusing rather than you put a pin in number 45 and you just get to work. And then also in Mastinomics Gym,

and I don't know if people realize this is that, like in commercial gyms, there's a lot more than just uprights with holes in them that exist. And in Mastinomics Gym, there's not a lot of places that these would be advantageous to use in my opinion that isn't at the power racks. Right and that's where we don't want that kind of stuff. I mean that's a reality of any sort of gym like that though.

Like that's not how gyms are set up like that aren't home gyms. You don't really want people doing flies in your rack There's an actual machine for that that that's right But what about it? Here's a better example than I guess if two of them land on your doorstep tomorrow Do you replace anything that's no and that's what I was gonna say is like what would I actually do different in my training? Because would you still use your let you have a lot? Well, I would use my lap pull down because it I would still use my lap pull down because that machine is built

You know intentionally to those ergonomics using that for that and it's like well if I wanted to use that in my rack Then I would actually need to get an extension to get it up higher And then I would also need to buy one of those like $300 like rep Pegasus seats, you know that I can attach to it, or I need to buy two rollers to you know, wedge me under so when I'm doing lat pulldowns, I can slide my bench and do this. So like there, that's not convenient. It's actually more annoying to do it if I want to do lat pulldowns with it in my setup. Like that

is less good. Yeah, maybe the better because I'm just trying to figure out, you know, like, oh, for me, the one is the one is belt squat. Like, that's the one I would want it for is the belt squat outside. I know it's like I don't do some things to make that. Oh, yeah. And it's still it's still not a gimme. It's like it's still like would require some work and some setup and, you know, just some reconfiguring. But I don't do like I don't do chess flies like that's not a thing and besides I don't I'd need it for to do too and like tricep pushdowns I already have a

You know a lap pull down machine that Satisfies that and I have the low row on that and like that satisfies some of those movements like I don't really do Cable machine curls. That's not a thing that I really like. It's not a movement I really like. If you didn't have a lat pull down already, like at one point in time you didn't. Yeah. Then you just, but the way you described it,

as I'm thinking, well, you still have to buy $500 worth of other rack attachments to make that work. You do, I know, yeah, you would. You know, like the seat, the pad, the extended higher mount. Yeah. I mean, you'd like it. You know like you'd have to the seat the pad the Extended higher mount. Yeah, I mean you'd be into that for 500 bucks I would easy and then it's actually more than I spent on my lap hold on machine. So It would save some space yeah, your rack would be much more cluttered all that regularly, you know, I guess Yeah

I'm trying to think of what other movements I do that this would be helpful on. Maybe like, I saw some people doing this. I just wanna, you could rig up some type of seal row situation with it, you know? But then again, I'm like, well, how am I rigging this up? Like, I still need to get off the floor, but like, yeah, I don't know.

It's, for our style training, cause we are so barbell based in our training at the end of the day. I think if that's how you view training, this, like we were saying is just- Is a cool, really fun accessory thing that you will use sometimes sometimes occasionally on certain days. It'd be really cool and fun.

And you'll it'll be cool to play with. Oh, it's a great party trick to show off to everyone that, you know, that shows up. Yeah. But if you do, it feels really good. And it's it's it's rock solid. Like when you use it, you're not like, oh, look at this chintzy piece of computer shit. You're like It is legit it is legit, but I think now that we've really talked it out I'm sort of I'm sort of like feel like I'm seeing clearly now, you know, I'm having

I'm having some clarity about this whole thing and as much as I would still love one I'm gotta be realistic about my training style and right, right. Ultimately it would be tough for me to say that someone in our situation that this would be a major component in their training. Yeah, it's an accessory. I mean for people that train like us to me this is an accessory tool for sure. This doesn't replace primary movements. It's an accessory tool. It's a cool one, a really expensive one,

but a convenient and versatile one once you get it. But there's good and bad with it. I think there's no, it's not, it's not so cut and dry. It just all depends. Yeah. It's like everything I need to do. And when I know people that have these,

I don't know a ton, like I know a few. Basement Brandon, he has one. And I think, I'm not sure how much he uses it. I think he uses it a little bit, a decent amount. Yeah, yeah. But. Does he have two? I think he actually does have two.

But you know, like he's not posting a ton of clips He's still at least the clips he posts. He's primarily Lifting I mean his power lifter This is you know, he's not it's When he comes in for squat day his main focus isn't what can I use the vultures for it's I have to squat today and Then like oh maybe here my third lift Actually, okay for lower body. What do you use the vulture for besides a belt squat? Um, you could put how do you make you do? How do you do leg extension?

Well, as I say it still comes down to someone making either Either you have a leg extension leg curl machine in your gym and you're again replacing the weights that That's it. So then you're replacing the weight stack on a piece of equipment like that But the piece of equipment that already has it all right you get one of those benches now that that people are hyping up that potentially Will have this leg extension leg curl attachment on the bench and there you would potentially have the machine that you still do Gotta buy that leg curl leg extension Right, you know piece to it and then also hope you have a bench that that's compatible with and I mean you're still talking about

probably five hundred dollars and Then hoping that this still works. Yeah, I mean it's a stretch. It still is a stretch in in most scenarios yeah the taking a machine an existing weight stack or a Selectorized machine and then you replace that with the vulture for the resistance. I still think that's cool. It's actually I Guess a real-life one that we saw in person is dr Tatti waffles on his leg press the way he hooked the vulture up

Yes, either resistance on the leg press that was cool and that is really cool But again, and that was an awesome setup a hundred percent That was so cool seeing that for a lot of people for that To be practical you need two of them though like You know five you know over four thousand dollars to do that the other thing like Say straight up if that was you and you're you know, you're training seriously and you're trying to get stronger And I mean you're competing in a powerlifting meet in a month if it's time to like us

I know you don't even like like press let's say you did well let's just say was a hack squat instead back squat you have it in your gym and it's time to do it and you don't have a ton I mean you're lifting on a schedule all the time like in the sense that you are on a time crunch kind of all I'm on a crunch very rare in a week that I have a training session where I am just have all of the time in the world most exactly most the Time I'm racing the clock so when it came down to it, even if you had the mounts and everything set up Do you think you when it was time to hack squat?

Would you hook up the two vultras dial them into the settings or would you throw like three plates on it and do? You know that's the thing too. It's like from a lazy standpoint It would I shouldn't say lazy from a convenience There's something about putting the two in and being like, alright 50 pounds. Okay, sit up a hundred pounds. Okay sit up here Now we're gonna do 300 like that is really convenient once you have it set up, right? Yeah, and then like when we're done, it's just okay hit the empty button and the weights off. It is super convenient You know, is it four thousand dollars and some convenient probably not like no, but

It was cool though like there again, I is really cool Application of it is it's an amazing application of that I Don't know maybe there's more This thing it is such new technology even since the first time we saw one at Darko's. I've seen a lot more I Mean mainly at dr. Tatti waffles just applications of this that I didn't think of the first time that have impressed me Right now we don't know what we don't know. Yeah, maybe there is some really cool Yeah, the what it's the next iteration Maybe it's because I can't even picture what the next iteration of it is even.

You know, like I'm just picturing the Vultra and that's all I can really picture because it's what exists. But I'm like, oh no, this next version of it that I don't even understand how it works yet, that's the one that's like, okay, nope, that does change and replace things. I don't know how that is because I can't picture it, but

yeah it's hard. It's hard to imagine because at the end of the day you really are just saying, okay, you have a you have a weight stack in your pocket and just so much of my training does not revolve around a weight stack though. Ultimately, you know, like I have a weight stack and I still don't use it super commonly. So like, you know, my, my issue isn't that all this weight stacks too annoying or too cumbersome or anything like that It's like no weight stack isn't central to my training right So any final thoughts on so to answer the question what what's your final final answer will digital resistance take over I

I think sorry hit the wrong button for people that are powerlifting strong man You know bigger strength goals. It will not take over. I do not think it will take over. Will it play a part in their program? Potentially potentially if you have the budget for it and you want to go down that road for the everyday person Will this take over the more just everyday person, will this take over? The more just fitness minded person will this take over? Maybe depending on what happens with price.

It's such a huge, I mean, cause it's not even like you buy this and your gym's ready to go. You still need a bench, you still need attachments. You still need something to mount this to. Like you still need a lot of shit at the end of the day And that's a hard time seeing this actually taking over Here's here's what I would say depends on your

Definition of takeover in five years from now we have right to present day We have 300 certified training facilities, and we look at the picture actually yeah That's a really funny way of putting it. Yes. Those pictures will all look, I mean, everyone's gyms will change and stuff, but the way those gyms all look will be exactly the same. The difference will be, there'll be maybe a few of them will have vultures, maybe in five years a lot more of them will have vultures.

It'll just be another thing in there, another tool people have. They'll take over in the sense that a lot of people will, as they get cheaper, as they get cooler, as they can do more and more, people will add them in. But I just don't think anything's going away. You know, like in all those gyms that exist now, nothing's really going to go away. That's there now I just they won't look different in just a four or five pictures of each gym, they'll essentially look the same. It's not going to be this digital resistance home gym. You know, like that'll be a rare. Right. It'll be just like the repons like, Oh yeah, we click through and every so many gyms have a pair of repons and I'm our pair of adjustable dumbbells, you know, and it's like, it's cool. It's a premium piece.

It's nice to have. It makes life easier in some ways, maybe slightly less convenient than others, but I think it'll just that that's it'll turn into just a more premium accessory that is more commonly seen. Yeah, this is all bearing, you know, no major changes in price. Like like I said, if all of a sudden this thing drops below $1,000, or there's like a bunch of people that enter the field and yeah, here this this box goes to 100 pounds and you can get this box for 500 bucks, you know, like, you know, things like that 100 pounds, and you can get this box for 500 bucks.

You know, like, you know, things like that. If they were $250, I maybe would just buy 10 of them at Mass. Oh, yeah. Like, if they really did get that cheap. At one breaks, yeah, frig it, it was 200 bucks. Yeah, if they really get that cheap, I have a hard time believing, once you're

talking a screen, a battery, some software costs, like, and then this motor. It seems hard to believe that it would get to that point any time soon. Like and then this motor seems hard to believe that it would get to that point anytime soon But you know, maybe in maybe in ten years our AI overloads will just say no you only get digital resistance now That's also possible That's it that's title topic I think so did we get it all on the list? I think I think we got it all here I think so

Okay, I Did have an announcement oh I I know last time I made this into a joke and that I was watching Band of Brothers. Oh That's not what I'm doing here today. I did start watching a Show That Depicted from the East Coast That first came out in the early 2000s

That is very highly talked about Sit the West Wing CSII New York For anyone that's wondering if it's the wire no I did watch the first couple episodes of the first season of trailer park boys What do you think came out first trailer park boys or the wire That's a good question maybe trailer park boys, do you know the answer to this? Yeah, barely they're very similar trailer park boys Sometime in 2001 the wire 2002. Oh, yeah, very close then. Yeah, I've seen all of trailer park boys I just it popped up on something and I watched a couple episodes of it

I'm like, ah this and I was worried like how the first season will seem so old and like Not good and I'm like, no, this is the best even like the first episode of the first season I'm like, this is they had this was best right off the bat. Really? It just goes a little downhill I've never I still have never seen it. I've never seen it before If you watch that I'll consider watching Trailer park boys is good. I Don't know. Maybe it's overrated. I'm not sure about that. I'd have to really analyze that one pretty deeply But I don't know do people outside of like our age group like do younger people even know what that is anymore

Maybe not. I mean it freaking came out in 2001. Yeah like that's now a 24 25 year old show. Right but that also wasn't a show I don't think that was popular like No I don't really remember hearing about it until like college age. Right right yeah very I very funny to me and I just really like the way that it's filmed and Hadn't I haven't watched it for probably seven years maybe and I did just think it was very funny Just taking you back. Yeah watch it. It's so you know just I like the tiny short episodes Well, how long are they something about that? Oh, I don, I mean, just, I don't often watch like 20 minute, you know, like, almost six count.

Oh, so like it is like a 20 minute, like, kind of like, okay. Right, right, right. And there's something about not having to commit very much time that I'm like, well, I could watch one episode and it's like 15 or 15 minutes. Oh, it makes it so much easier than these hour, hour plus long episodes that exist. Even if you're gonna watch six in a row,

it's still just, you're never committing more than, committing more than really covered some ground then too, you know right, so that was my early 2000s thing is just that I Still have not watched the wire. I Have one in here, okay, I listened to admittedly, you know, we were recently on table talk but Guests can be very hit and miss for me. I'm kind of the point where unless it's a guess that I know or Something's very relevant to me. I there's a lot that I skip but Dan green was recently on and Tanner did you listen to this one?

Everything you said there is exactly how I approached table talk and I listened to every second of the Dan Green episode. Okay. Was that a really good episode? It was so good. Okay. I'm like, Dan's training talking was intense and I loved it. It was good. I 100% agree. I was listening. And I will also say that I've listened to, admittedly, it's been a long time since I've heard a Dan Green episode. And I remember back in- When it was on the Powercast? Yeah. That episode Dan green episode and I remember back in the power cast. Yeah It wasn't good. Like it was a very long time ago and to be fair that we know we're talking about a long time ago

I mean like 2010 I don't know 10 maybe and specifically when I say it wasn't good. Like I thought it wasn't good because of Dan Yeah, I just thought he didn't have anything to say like it's right and that's why I'm like I haven't heard Dan say anything in such a long time. He keeps a pretty low profile. And like, we were driving back the other day, or we were in the cities, I was driving back and had time.

And I'm like, I don't know, I'll give this one a listen. Let's see. And like from the get-go, I'm like, damn, this is good. And as it went on, it was an hour and a half episode and I loved every second of it. I thought it was great. It actually kind of made me think like, why isn't Dan talking about more of this? Why is anybody more this content out there? He seems so mellow at times that he was just on like a normal keel

But I'm like, oh did someone give him a thousand milligrams of caffeine? Did they feed you line yeah Right, but it was so But so much of what he said I thought was really good. A lot of it aligned right with what Juggernaut wants you to do. I mean, didn't it? Yeah, so actually, like a lot of it, I'm like, the way he talked about programming was awesome. Also, just the way he talked about technique,

I thought was pretty. Like, he analyzed a couple things that I just hadn't heard people say it in that way before. That's okay. That I'm like, that is so, seems intuitive. There was a few that I loved. Like when he's talking about squatting. The one I loved about squatting was he goes, you know when you look from the side, he says, you know what, you watch that bar path come down and he's like, you know, the bar, you know, basically has to be centered over your foot. And he goes, you know, you can manipulate how much of your leg is either, you know, how much of your leg is in front of

or behind the bar. So if you're really, really low bar, you know, when you come down to the bottom, the bar might be almost over the middle of your knee, like, so your entire legs behind it. And he goes, and if you go really high bar, really upright, you know, huge portion of your leg is gonna be in front of the bar to where it's like almost in line with like your glutes,

almost, and I'm paraphrasing here, but he's like, he basically goes on to say that, you know, I found that, you know, to me, the best squat position is when you look at that bar is basically dissecting through the middle of your leg, like the middle of your thigh. And he's like, then you're engaging like equal parts quads and equal parts, you know, posterior chain.

And I'm like, oh, that's actually a really interesting, I've never heard anyone say that before. And he talked about how when he went to rush up, how he had, how he, how Dan personally had been neglecting like his quads and, and you know, that, that kind of that thought process of oh no you got a Can't let your knees travel forward you got its low bar It's all posterior chain all glutes and all that and he said he went to Russia and I think it was that

What's it like Pons diavra? I forget whatever the Russian guys. They had like enormous He said like he said he actually did a triple take because he had never seen quads like that like on a powerlifter ever He's like the way they were hanging over his knees He's like that and like on a powerlifter ever. He's like the way they were hanging over his knees. He's like that. And then he went on to that, you know, that white guy squatted eight something that day or something. And he said he came back from Russia and he's like, oh, I have to like really start training quads.

And he talked about why he really likes pause squats because like that really like makes you have to be confident, you know, bringing the weight down and then like holding that position. And like that's the one time I ran pause squats consistently I Agree with him like I had that same feeling of like I just felt so confident like in the in my squat the whole way Through it like my technique felt so dialed in once you work pause squats So I like that a lot. He talked a lot about with bench how he just feels like the cure for bench is just

volume volume volume volume and that's The my bench has gotten the best it's ever gotten in the last year. And that's, that's when the difference maker is volume. Just I live three days a week. I do some type of bench variation three days a week and my shoulders are out. They're never beat up. They always feel fine. I am infrequently sore because, you know, I'm hitting it a lot of different ways, but that's, you know, that's a competition bench, an incline press typically,

and then usually like a spoto press or an extra wide bench or something like that. And that's not too much to handle. Like you're manipulating the weight, you're changing the weight so you can handle that volume. And I mean, that was another one of the good, I mean, what were some of the ones that stuck out to you? That was good.

I actually specifically has talked about front squatting, the value of front squatting that I it actually made me think Because I love safety squat bar. Yeah, and for similar reasons, but it did make me recoil and think a little bit like Am I only getting half of the benefit of what's out there because I'll always use the safety squat, right? I'm like I'm getting some of that benefit that we're talking about there. But does it do I at times need to actually just be directly

using a legitimate front squat that you don't actually get by anything else other than the front squat? I know. And the front squat is hard because it's just hard to load heavy and not feel like you're dying. After listening to that, even after I did my squat workout, and then I'm like I'm gonna throw I'm actually just gonna move an exercise around and I'm just gonna do front squat as a secondary thing because I want to spend so long since I've front squatted and I'm like My thing is like I bet if I worked at this I could get this front rack position down and I've got to say I

Don't know if anatomically I can even like if I are you trying to cross arms, is that what you know, I can do that. I can do that. I want to see if I like actually put my elbows up and because I'm like, that's how I would like to do it if I was going to do them. And not only am I not close to being able to do it, like I legitimately can't do it with any amount of weight. It's like right now you can't you can't put your arm

I can do that. Okay, like I can once you get a barbell is when you're if I I can do this like touch my Traps with my thumb, but is it turning the hands over is that's what yeah I can't okay I can't put a bar in my fingers and get this within like 10 inches of sitting right like any amount of weight I would put in there. It's going to be sitting in like all the weight would be in my like there's no weight resting on my body. Like I can't get that on I can't or alternatively if you said okay put it on your body then get

your hands underneath of it. It's not like I wouldn't you'd have to snap bones in order for that to get underneath there Yeah, they kind of made me wonder. I don't know. Maybe the length of people's some Not and not saying that it's long arms, but it's just like proportions or something like I don't know maybe your your humorous length versus Right this like it makes it harder. I no doubt. There's like a lot this like makes it harder. No doubt there's like a lacking mobility in there and some of that stuff, but I'm like,

I don't think there's a fix of mobility where I could actually do that. And, you know, I don't know. I don't think it would be physically possible to do it. And I've tried to fix a lot of things before and I'm like, I don't think I could fix that. I think Dan's footage though, doesn't he usually have to cross arms? He does do the cross arms. Okay. Yeah, which is fine. And I actually, fix a lot of things before and I'm like, I don't think I could fix that. I think Dan's footage, though, doesn't he usually does do the cards? OK, yeah, which is fine.

And yeah, actually, what I went because I tried it all of them, because I'm like, if I'm going to use this today is a good day for me to figure out like how I would do them. And. This is just out the window, like that's what I want to do the most. And I'm like, that is out the window. There is no way like I would spend 24 months just trying to even do that with 135 I could that's not an issue for me I could go in right now front squat and do that Yeah And the last time I ever tried to run an actual front squat cycle of any kind

Once the weight started getting closer to like 315 once the weight started getting closer to like 315, is what I know, you know, you're usually talking higher volume here too, is the way it sits. And this is maybe as a technique thing on my end, the way it sits like kind of in closer to your neck and everything. And like your throat, I'm like, I feel like I'm getting choked out, like the breathing thing started to feel like the issue actually of being able to just stay conscious even be able to do it. Yeah. So I can do the arms cross thing.

I just don't really like that that well. Like, I feel like it's not all that stable. The one I like the best. Actually, what I would like the best is doing it a real front rack is I put the straps around the bar and then hold on to the straps because it's very similar to the front rack. It's just not forcing me to do this last. Like my arm.

I'm not saying this is because my bicep is huge, but I'm like, oh, I but I think that's a part of it. Like, yeah, I think that's a part of it. Push this forearm down like past a certain point. Well, yeah, it's like, you know, like my arm here gets there. But let's just say like my biceps were like three inches bigger. Like you just see it like it just lifts that up. And it's like, well, but that where does it go then?

You know, that's like I was really like, OK, I've got to be able to figure out a way to do this. But finally, whatever my real point back to the Dan Green thing, when I do it with straps and I didn't do more than one hundred eighty five pounds and I do, I'm very comfortable using the safety squat bar. I've used a lot over the last five to ten years. And I know what it feels like and I do believe it has good benefit for me.

But the thing about using the actual front squat, even just for a few sets, like in my little experimental messing around, the way it felt in my thoracic spine, my upper back, I was like, okay, that does not feel like that when I safety when I safety squat bar I was like okay there is something there like to not fold forward you know to actually have to fight to stay vertical enough because otherwise the bar will fall forward you know you can't pitch forward or else the

bar will fall forward and I just I just could notice in my thoracic spine That I'm like wait a second That is like sore just from a few sets of The other day once you start fighting the safety squat bar, I mean you can still You know let you can manipulate it very easy Yeah, you can manipulate it however you want to whereas the front squat you can't because you can't you the bar will fall off The front of your body If you do that, mm-hmm. It's good point

Yeah, that was just one of the very specific things I took from Dan but to get less specific I did just also really like that episode. It was yeah. He talked about actually Another juggernaut thing. He said one of the big changes for him was Going up to a single top set and then doing drop sets after for his primary movement. He talked about how that was a game changer for him. He talked about how throughout the year, your primary movement for the day doesn't have to be just SBD.

Your primary movement can be, and that's also a juggernaut thing. Philosophically, I like that. But that's a juggernaut. As soon as you're done, as soon as I'm done with this meat, juggernaut thing. Philosophically, I like that. But that's a juggernaut. As soon as you're done, as soon as I'm done with this meat, juggernaut does not want your squat to be competition back squat, like our low bar back squat. It wants you to do a high bar or a front squat or something else.

Same thing bench. It doesn't want you to do a comp standard bench. It wants you to change it up. So I thought that was another interesting thing that I'm like, yep, I'm on board with you on that one too. What else did he say though, that's I, I had the thought of, you know, we actually just, I don't know what our episode a few weeks ago was comparing, comparing, have an actual coach versus using an app like we do with juggernaut. And I've often thought before,

if I ever was to not use an app and I really, I'm like, nope, for this, whatever, I am getting a coach. You know, I've often thought like, well, Chad would be an awesome one. I'd be all totally on board with that because I feel like what he, the way he programs it makes sense to me, the way that, of what I feel like makes sense. And then after listening to Dan, I had the thought,

if I was doing it, I would pay him, like if I was gonna pay someone to coach me, I would pay him to coach me. He totally, I'm like, I would pay him to coach me like he totally I'm like I'm like if this guy would be an awesome. I'll be like right Okay, that's worth it. Yeah, you know what that's such an extreme example to you. All right, okay Who who would you allow to coach you Dan green? Okay? Guys in the world all that's so nice of you

I All right, dumb ass. One of the strongest guys in the world. Oh, that's so nice of you. Right. I thought, oh, one thing he said that I thought was interesting is he said, yeah, especially on the natural side, or I should say the unequipped side of powerlifting, or the raw side of powerlifting. He said, you have guys that they'll be like, look, he's one of the best in the world, and he just does SBD. He doesn't really do anything else. And he's like, well, if you're gonna do the same thing

as everyone else, if everyone's just gonna do the same thing then the guy with the best genetics wins. And I'm like, oh yeah, that's actually a good point. He's like, so if you're gonna beat the guy with the best genetics, you need to be doing something different than him. You know, that's gonna help you get over that hurdle. I'm like, that actually is a really interesting way of putting it, a lot of times people get into, well, that's what this guy get over that hurdle. That actually is a really interesting way of putting it.

A lot of times people get into, well, that's what this guy does and it works for him. It's like, well, is it again because he has the best genetics in the world? And maybe also probably really good work ethic and all that. But Dan said, he's like, I got pretty good genetics and I got a pretty good work ethic. And I'm pretty, but also I realized I'm gonna have to

work harder here and be smarter with my programming and Exercise selection and things like that. So I hope that was good, too. And then he talked a decent amount about deadlift, you know, he said Deficits he's like deficits are great for can for conventional most people don't want to do them I talked a decent amount about even block pulls Saying that it teaches you to be in a certain position that you're not used to. Yeah. And same thing, block polls for Sumo.

But yeah, I thought that was a really good, I really liked that one. I'm like, God, if Table Talk was like this every week, oh, I'd just be a Table Talk fanatic. This was amazing. That was good. It also made me think too, sometimes people ask us this question,

who would we want to get on the podcast? He's now on my list. Oh yeah, for sure. Where I'm like, no, who we want to get on the podcast. He's now on my list. Oh, yeah, for sure. I I'm like, no, I wish we had him on the podcast. And I didn't wasn't thinking that before, because my impression of the way he was on podcast was completely different until just this episode where I'm like, no, Dave, really. Part of that is probably so comfortable with Dave. And he's like, probably.

And also, you know, the podcasts we were listening to, like we said, are probably 12-ish years ago. Right. You know, I think he's probably grown and learned a lot since then too, so it's. Right. Yeah, that's a must listen though, that was really good. I had one, one more thing.

Tommy, how long has it been since you've thrown up? What's your streak well your streak everyone play along at home, what's your streak? Oh The last time I can think of for sure I was severely sick In Aberdeen that was so we moved three four years about four years ago. God, I was sick. Like just the amount of puking that I did. I'm sure you can probably go back four years ago

and find an episode. Yeah, that's probably what we said on the podcast. Just the most violent puking ever. You know, like my wife just terrified in the middle of the night just hearing, ah, just exploding out of me. I think you were throwing up sick for the powerlifting meet. Yeah, that first one I got like food poisoning

and it got very sick. Was that the first one or the second one? That was the, sorry, that was the second one. Sorry, yes, that was the second one. Yeah, that was the second one we did. So that would have been like 2015 or something. Puked then, you know, puked a few times from drinking here and there,

but not very often. I mean, yeah. Last time I pukes then you know puked a few times from drinking here and there but not very often I mean, what do yeah last night pukes from drinking I? Don't know probably five or six years ago Yeah, I don't know it's been a long time there, too Like I mean I've only puked a handful of times in my entire life from drinking so it's yeah I know some people that You know your 20s. It's, oh, it's a weekend. They're going to puke every weekend. Basically. Yeah. That wasn't me. I mean, I don't, I don't puke often. Like I, I'm not a puker.

And I don't think you are either though. Are you? No, I am not a puker at all. Like it takes so much for me. I was thinking about it in the last 15 years. I've puked twice. Twice? Like even when you were sick, like you puked once when you were sick, it wasn't multiple times? Well, no, no. Like two occasions where there was puking involved? Two occasions. Yeah, two occasions of puking. And the one, we probably talked about it on

here, I can't remember. I think I was sick. And then I took like antibiotics without eating. Yeah, this isn't sitting right then. Yeah. And it wasn't sitting right at all. And that was when I was in my old house. So I'm thinking that was in like 2019. That's the last time I puked is in 2019. Maybe it was almost 2020. Somewhere in there. That's the last time I puked. So it one time prior to that, the only other time in the last 15 years, I believe, was my bachelor party. And that was from, I will just say,

for the sake of the podcast, that was from excessive partying is the word I will use to describe it. But it was from excessive partying in my bachelor party. And I think that was the only time, that was from excessive partying. Is the word I will use to describe it, but it was from excessive partying and my bachelor party. I puked that from that as well.

Yeah. I partied a little too hard, I'll say. And that resulted in puking, but that's what the bachelor party is for. Yeah, that's it was it was a wild time. Outside of those two individual events, I do not think I've thrown up and throwing up much like what you described is a wildly violent experience. So it's really good. It comes around about once or twice a decade,

because if it was as current as frequent as it was for some other people, I don't know how it would continue to go on. No, no, it just it just ruins everything. And I'm not saying it's like the dad cold thing where I'm like, Oh, puking. I'm like, same the what when I puked in 2019 my family like left the house because it was horrific It was horrible I'm saying I relate Yeah, I if I had to guess it's probably Yeah, maybe maybe five or six times since I've been like

Yeah, maybe five or six times since I've been like 21-ish in my life that I've puked. So we've both got pretty good streaks going then. Yeah, yeah, I'm right now on a bit of a heater, yeah. We're both kind of on a hot streak. Let us know in the YouTube comments, how long has it been since you've puked? I wanna see who is the longest and who also listening is the most frequent,

who's like, I puked yesterday Let us know like has anyone not puked in the last Have you beat us over five years has anyone made it ten years ten years? I think ten years a long time to go without puking. That's a pretty sweet streak I think I got a real chance of getting there. I feel in real confident about my sure That's how puking works. So is you think you're going fine and then It's always when you least expect it is that you get blinded blindsided with something You ever brush your teeth like a little you know or like your tongue like a little too far and just get like a little

Okay, I know what you're talking about. No, no, I haven't had really issues with that. No. Yeah, happened that. That's happened to me as well. But no puking. I'm always very like, nope, I have to stop there. I've got a streak to maintain. Speaking of our YouTube channel,

the video that posted this last week, was that just, was that just Dr. Tati Waffles? Yeah, that was just like four or five days ago, actually. A real banger of a gym tour. If you haven't watched the Dr. Tattie Waffles gym tour, check it out. It's got like 15,000 views or something on it at this point in time.

And so much positive feedback from the existing community and then also people watching it that probably aren't normally consumers of all the Mastodononomics content and just a lot of positive comments about his gym, his setup, his approach to the home gym life and training life and Dr. Tati waffles, excellent home gym really fun to our I would really recommend checking that tour out. And that being said, by the time this episode comes out, the one that will said, by the time this episode comes out,

the one that will be published is the Kurt Locker gym tour. Correct? Is that the next on the schedule? I believe so. So say everything I said about Dr. Doc Tatwoff. So I would say the same about the Kurt Locker. Should be another really cool gym tour. From what I remember, this is Benno.

It's been a while since we've recorded this, actually. So I'm just going off of memory and I haven't watched anything. But we go into some really intricate detail on some of Kurt's Kurt stuff in his home gym and his storage solutions and barbells and everything he's got going on. Some of these are getting now just so long ago that I it is like watching for the first time so I'm yeah very curious now to see how what some of these were like Yeah, make sure to subscribe to the YouTube channel for now. We're getting very close to 10,000 subscribers

I we're both excited about hitting 10,000 subscribers. I'm not even just sometimes we Will just talk about being excited about it and we're not actually that excited about it. The 10,000 subscribers is a big milestone for us on YouTube. We've really been working hard on YouTube, so it does feel like a real milestone. It does feel like a milestone. We're excited to get over that, Mark.

And the YouTube for us, I'm sure we'll talk about this more at some point in time when we're just recappingpping things or giving a massonomic state of the Union, but YouTube continues to become a larger and larger part of Mastronomics in general and our vision for the future our future of home gym machines. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say if Said it before I'll say it again if we don't have the most gym tour videos on YouTube yet, we're going too soon. We're very close, I believe, to having the most.

What I do know for sure is that ours are the best. Nobody is, nobody puts out as good and as consistent and as frequent and as quality of gym tours as the Masonomics YouTube channel. And that's just a fact And that's just a fact. That's just a fact. Anything else this week or should we bring this bird down? Should we land this condor?

Yeah, we can probably land this thing. Let's bring it on in for a landing before we get to all that. I mean, we actually talk quite a bit about Juggernaut, juggernautai.app. Just to spell this part out specifically, it's the training that Tommy and I are both using now. Actually, next week, we should really talk more about training. We didn't talk about it much this week. Next week, we should make sure to talk more about our training, what we're each doing there. But what I'll tell you is we're both using juggernaut. You can use it too by going to juggernautai.app. We do have a discount code. It's massonomics use discount map code massonomics on the website on the web browser saves you 10% it makes that membership about 30 bucks a month. And I think it's very worth it. You know, in comparison, we've talked about comparing to like paying for a coach or whatever else you do. I just I'm not telling you this as as a sales pitch if you've never tried an app or anything like that before

The $30 a month if you're worried about that just try it for a couple months use discount code Mastodon mix get it down to the 30 30 ish dollars and Try it for a few months. So you got maybe got 60 bucks into it by trying it for two months and i'm fairly confident you'll Enjoy it if not, you're not out much But if you do try it to probably be using it for a lot longer and you'll say this 30 Is very worth it juggernaut ai.app And this episode is also brought to you by texas power bars right now

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Tees look around some some teas. We got good sizing them. Some are really getting down there. So And people always want to know like well, when are you gonna restock this tea in this size? Most of the time the answers were not restocking it. You know, like, there's very few tees that we just keep around, like, forever. Yeah. Yeah. So the time that you could wait forever, or you might wait a few years on certain ones if you're unsure. Right. So the time to buy something is when we have it. And if that's right now, then buy it now, because don't bank on us restocking really anything in a particular size. Oh, what else has been

popping up? We're getting gonna get some restocks coming soon. Hopefully the silly goose barbell club flag, which we've been having some people wanting the restock on that we're gonna have that soon. And hopefully the home gym nerd T that sold really really really well that first run and is very few sizes and quantities remaining on that so be on the lookout for a restock of that coming soon then we've got a bunch of cool stuff coming for the lift hard live easy classic that'll we'll talk more about that as we get a few more

couple more weeks down the road for July 19th lift hard live easy classic that's it I think Tommy where do they find you a few more couple more weeks down the road for July 19th lift hard the VZ classic That's it I think Tommy where they find you up can find me at Tomahawk underscore D You can follow me at Tanner underscore bear. Just make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics. See you You