Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 485: How Much is Too Much for a Home Gym?

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! aside everything mass an on it. What's up, everyone? Welcome back to episode 485 of the mass nomics podcast. And if it's your first time ever listening to the podcast, it's kind of crazy, but welcome to you. I shouldn't say welcome back, just welcome for your first time ever. Odd time to choose to join at 485 episodes in,

but we're happy as heck to have you. The best time was episode one. The second best time is episode 485. That's right. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. That's particularly important for those of you who are here just for the first time.

For all you new listeners, that's particularly important. For those of you that have listened to all the first four hundred eighty four, you probably know the difference in our voices at this point, but it's really for the new people. I hope so. Yeah, this is a action packed episode. And I'm going to kick off the action by mentioning head over to Texas Power Bars dot com. Look at their different collections of power bars that they've got there.

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living easy festival. So wow, that was a hell of a time wasn't a time Oh god one for the record books Yes at this point we're just still trying to recover and wrap our heads around everything that went on So it's gonna be next week's episode that we actually really dig into this thing unpack it unfold it What else would you describe like the way when you get into something like that flip it, unfold it. What else would you describe like the way when you get into something like that? Flip it and reverse it. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do with

the Lift Hard, Live Easy classic next week in episode 486. So that gives you something to look forward to next week too. Yeah, I think people were worried that they would be checked out after this episode, so. Yeah, yeah. It's good to get something for them to look forward to. I am, at this point, usually not the case, but I am extremely thirsty today Tanner

Oh, what do you got? I got a lemon Kirkland sparkling water. Oh It's funny you say so say so I can't actually came prepared myself. I've got a blood orange tangerine, spin drift, sparkling water, a real squeeze fruit on sweetened 12 ounce can Okay, okay. Come back and pack in a heat this week. So we got inside this blood orange tangerine. Spin drift mix up of the flavors. Who?

That's something. OK, that that packs a wallop. Wow. We wow. We. I'd give that. Hmm. I'd give that. Hmm. I'd give that a three and a half. That was the three and a half reaction I was expecting. Oh, I'd give that a three and a half all day.

Oh, we got a lot to get to this week. Like we said, we're not going to recap the whole lift hardly of easy classic because that's what next week's for. We've got to save something for next week. But this week we got all kinds of stuff. I wanted to kick off with something here, something here that I was thinking about it. Are you familiar with the phrase for reps?

Like if I said for reps, I think I am. Yeah, I think so. I mean, what does that mean if someone says four reps? I mean, you're repping it out. You do it. Yeah. Reps. You know what is a giveaway to me that someone like doesn't really get I shouldn't say they don't get lifting someone that maybe they're definitely not a pop. They're definitely haven't competed in these strength sports before, and maybe they haven't even just been like around strength training culture for all that

long. If you ask them like how, what's, you know, the conversation of like, what's your best bench that's always comes up, you know, and someone says, well, it's two 25, four reps. Yeah. Oh, and someone just using the old three 15 for reps. Yeah 315 for reps. Yeah, it's like this this open-ended for reps So which is anywhere presumably between like 2 and 10 or 2 and 20 Yeah, like at the high end of reps would probably usually not be much more than 10 or 20 I would think but it's like no I can I can do 4 or 5 for reps though. I get four reps

Yeah, that's a very like a season catch all say and doesn't just say four reps as an answer to anything, right? They're not like oh, yeah, just three fifteen four reps No, no like that's unless it was like what'd you do today in the gym was like I just had the meat last week So I just went and hit 225 for some reps on the bed like that'd be right. I would that, but it's just in reference to like a bullshit day, you know? Right. That's okay. But it's more like the conversation of like, how much can you do? And it's like people in it or it's people that are trying to be sneaky

about how much they can really do. It's like, oh, I can do 275 for reps. And also the difference between two, like you're saying, two reps and even eight reps is an enormous amount of strength there Right because if it's 225 and you do it for two reps your max is probably you know, whatever 245 exit Yeah, but if you do it for 10, it's probably 300 pounds. Yeah, so But I just do it for reps. Yeah, it never actually though

It never is it never does mean like 10 or 20 reps No, it means nobody like someone can maybe if someone did 225 for 10, they would say I did it for 10 It wouldn't say I do it for rap. Yeah, you like down play is a notable number, you know You're like you wouldn't you know, you know that Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, it's just the it's just the smoke and mirrors of hiding the hiding the weight So the phrase four reps can be craftily used It's just to cover up your tracks on just about any lifting that one stashed away for later Does it have to mean more than one does the s at the end of a rep have to mean more than one? I think I think that's the or is that the s at the end should You know if you're being at least true to the have to mean more than one. I think that's the only rule is that the S at the end should,

you know, if you're being at least true to the same should indicate more than one. But could it just be more that like you did, if you did three sets of one someday, you did it four reps, right? Like there was multiple reps performed. Does it have to be per individual set or is it, no, I did 315 for reps.

I did it for two singles. I hate to. I hate to give this any more credit. But yeah, you do have a point there where like technically you could even be hiding behind it more with you did it for reps, meaning you did it one single three times. Yeah. Maybe take it one step further. Does it have to be in the same day?

Like I've done. OK, yes, it does have to be in the same day. Like I've done three, I've been three, it does have to be in the same day. I mean, if you're making a good faith argument here. Can you say I've done 315 for reps and it's that I've hit it for two singles like twice in my life, you know, like. That, under no circumstances that acceptable. So that definitely can't count,

is doing it for singles on different days. But if you did four sets of one I mean, I wouldn't count that to me. That's four singles. That's not hitting something for reps, but That's teach their own oh I do it for reps like oh and or someone that doesn't really know they'll ask you What's what's your best bet? Whatever. What's your best ad left? Did you say 700 pounds? Like, oh, for one or for reps?

I'm like, you asked me what my best is. It's like I wasn't going to say a random number for a random number of reps. Like, yeah, 500 for 15. That's what you hit him with. For reps. Like, OK, cool. But I still don't even really know what you like it hard to even compute what that could potentially be For reps That's it on for reps I do I Do have a little game this week. I actually preferred this long ago,

so I might learn something myself back in this game. Back to the notes. I can't remember what I was thinking the name of the game would be, so we might have to play the game, and in hindsight, we'll have to figure out what the name of that game was. I think we can come up with a name afterwards.

Okay. But it's kind of a guessing game where like this many, you know when people announce like a strongman competition and it's like, oh he's gonna deadlift 800 pounds, that's the weight of a three household washing machine. Yeah, it's kind of like that That's the game where I'm gonna give you something or it's almost like a mix of how much is this way? We have what what ways more what ways more is our old game classic kind of like that remembers

Yeah, it's kind of like that, but it's more you're just gonna have to guess a range because these numbers are gonna be kind of wild Okay at times here. Yeah, yeah, I think I think I'm ready here. And there's three there's three rounds to this game. So first round of this to be named. Actually, do you feel like we need some play in music? Probably. I feel like we're going in this kind of cold right now.

Oh, what button is this? I think this is what it would be. Now I'm ready to play the mood. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. OK, one other thing just to really get this going. That's usually reserved for the pre show, but we'll bust out here a little bit. You think at the meet we'll be like, oh man, that was crazy. The Natty Anthem played for like five hours at the meet. We didn't tell everyone at the Lift Heart Livy's Classic it's going to be nothing but

the Natty Anthem all day. Between the power lifting and strong man, it'll go to the James Bond pause music for a little bit. Right. And then back to the Nat Bond pause music for a little bit And then back to the nanny anthem Okay, so You won't know the exact number, but it's we're gonna see how close you can get this is this first one's a little is

Is tough if you get the exact number Would be quite impressed with this one Okay, how many strength Coe 45 pound plates? to make up the Cargo weight of the Edmund fit the SS Edmund Fitzgerald when it sank okay Well, I know a 45 pound plate from the strength Coe is 45 pounds So yes, it is important that it's straight. Got that going in my favor. Well, you know, those are very precise because they're yes. Right. It's not you're not guessing roughly 45.

It is a precise 45 to make up the cargo weight. Yeah, the cargo weight of that, not the not the ship weight plus the cargo, but the total cargo weight. God. I just know. Do you remember at all what the cargo weights could Approximately, but what do you think the cargo weight was of the SS? Do they say it the song ever? Yeah, they do Oh, they do. Oh, man. I haven't listened to the song closely enough then because I cannot okay Let me tell you what the cargo was do you want me to tell you what the cargo? I mean you could say anything and I just first of all have to believe you

And you can say there's a cargo it was loaded with elephants and I have to be like well I guess It was the taconite pellets Taconite pellets. What are those? Basically iron ore I think. Oh, okay. Okay. Iron pellets I think basically like maybe the foundation will sound pretty damn heavy to put on a boat. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but they didn't they realize there's gonna be a lot of weight They're really weighing that boat down Can sink if it's too heavy. Um God, I just have no idea like does a boat carry. It's a really really big ship

So I know I'm saying like is it a hundred tons? Is it you know, like, is it 200 tons? I just don't know. It's way more than that. Oh, it's way more than that. Yeah. So the thousand tons like I literally don't know what a cargo ship carries, you know? Yeah, well, it carries taconite heavy steel rocks God Well, I mean if it carried okay, I just have to pull up the calculator quick here if it carried What did I say I mean I said a hundred tons is too small so a thousand times 100 tons is too small, so 1,000 times.

Yeah, I mean it had to probably carry a few million pounds, right? Yeah. At least, let's just say, okay, if we say, let's just say it was carrying a nice even five million pounds divided by 45, that would be, it's so annoying they do not put a comma on the calculator on the one two three four five Six I don't know like a hundred fifty thousand forty fives

Not a bad guest given your Given you would not be able to possibly have any idea of this so actually the Edmund Fitzgerald was carrying approximately actually the Edvin Fitzgerald was carrying approximately 26,000 tons of taconite 26,000 tons. Okay. Yeah. So 52 million pounds of iron ore equates to 1,000,155,555 45 pound plates. So like I was off by a zero one one point one five over a million 45 pound plates Wow

That's so many 45. That's a lot that is yeah like over 1 million 45 pound plates to what how many? How many 40 do you think chat GPT would know approximately how many 45 pound plates? How many 45 pound weight plates exist in the world? Let's like what's an estimate of how many 45 pound weight plates exist in the world play along at home What's your guess before looking it up? I'm already asking it. I have no idea what this number would be. I mean, it's got to be millions, right? I would sure think so, I mean a million 45s is a lot but I

Mean it's giving a whole big list of explanations Yeah, just how much money is in the fitness industry and all this stuff Yeah, and then the plate lifespan because they typically last for decades, right? 40 so it's yeah global weight plate market. It says two to three billion. That's 100 million units per year. If a 45 pound plate accounts for 15% of that, that's 15 million sold per year. Over the past decade, a total existing 45 pound plates could be in the 50 to 150 million range with a plausible ballpark of around 100 million. 100 million. It's a fact. 100 million.

Great even number there. Just that could have, that could have filled almost 100 SS Edmund Fitzgeralds then. Yeah, gonna need a bigger boat. Okay, next round. So pass or fail. I don't know. I felt that one pretty hard.

Okay. I guess you were 10%. You had, you were at about 10% of the total. Yeah. Okay. This one. All right. So we, you don't know the assets Edmund Fitzgerald as well as me, so that's not fair.

This one's more fair. We're going to go right in your backyard for this one. Oh, OK. How many Texas we're going to actually go to Sioux Falls is what we're going to do. OK, so this is going to be a little more familiar with you because we're not dealing with this. I said, Miss Fitzgerald, we're going to deal with Sioux Falls. How many Texas power bars laid end to end to go from Aberdeen, South Dakota to Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

Okay, so I know that it's basically 200 miles and am I allowed to use a calculator? Is that allowed? But we're going as the crow flies. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're literally just laying. Which saves a little bit This is the frickin Pythagorean theorem here of my got to know my dad's actually it is Care a squared plus B squared equals C. I remember that part, but it's done to summit Sioux Falls the summit is like

Oh, yeah, I don't know Well summit to Aberdeen is 80 miles so then that'd be like one to all summit is 120. It's not a perfect triangle but yes, it's a So it'd be it'd be 120 squared plus 80 squared Take the square root of whatever 120 squared plus 80 squared is some intense 120 times 120 plus

says 1440 80 80 Equals plus 1440 oh, how do you do the frickin square root on here? Limited ass calculators. Yeah. Oh, but there's more I Don't remember how to do this frickin square root stuff Yeah, I'm definitely doing this wrong. Okay. Let's just pick a number. I was gonna say, you know, it's a little less than what the driving distance is.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll just say instead of instead of 200 miles, we'll say, you know, we're cutting it off. We'll just say 150 ish. Okay. So 150 miles. God, I messed up my calculator now. Okay, 150 miles times 5,260 feet in a mile. My way, Arthur? 5,280? Is that what it is? I'm not sure. Well, we're playing rough math here.

Equals divided by, Texas Power power bars about seven feet, right? Approximately I'm my rough estimate is we're talking about a hundred and twelve thousand Texas power bars Yep, you pretty much got the math and I hundred and sixty five miles as the crow flies, okay? Texas power bar is seven feet, four inches. OK, yeah. So it would take approximately one hundred and eighteen thousand eight hundred Texas power bars laid end to end to stretch from western northeast South Dakota to Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

OK, under an eighteen thousand. How many Texas power bars do you think exist? Oh, man, I buddy. C caps could probably tell us probably a lot. They've been around a long time. Okay. So I'd say pass, fail you passed that one. Yes. All right, last round.

All right, so we've been to the SS at Edmund Fitzgerald. We've been to screw falls. Now, now we're been to screw falls now. Now we're going to the end of the driveway. How many gallons of cottage cheese would it take to fill the interior of a 2006 Pueblo Gold Ford Freestyle? Oh, God, how many gallons? Can I actually have been wanting to talk about for a while? I got behind one this weekend and from behind, I am just convinced

they just took it an Explorer and just lowered it like that. It looks shockingly big when I see those things. I am always surprised how large those vehicles actually are. God, the cargo space is just enormous on that thing. when I see those things. I am always surprised how large those vehicles actually are. God, the cargo space is just enormous on that thing. I think it's the precursor to the Ford Flex, actually too, as well. I could see that. When they stopped, it's the, you know,

the Ford Flex is that boxy one, right? Oh yeah, it's like the one that's like two rectangles, basically. Yeah, I think they phased it out for the Ford Flex. Well wait, but where did the Taurus X come in? Well, that was an inter that was really just a name change honestly. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah And Taurus X was after the Ford Freestyle. Okay, and then when then I think I don't know if there was a gap There may have been a gap, but I don't know if they went directly, you know if they produced it immediately or not. Oh

God, I'm just thinking 50 gallon oil drums Like you could probably stand one of those things up damn near in the back of that thing It's pretty tall it is and then it's like oh you could probably fit two side by side So you go like one two. I don't know you could feel like I Six in there pretty easy. I think and then like all you look at all the gaps I don't know ten because 500 gallons can fit 500 gallons inside that thing with all the seats down and you got to think if you're filling it

with cottage cheese they can go in like every every every oh the the curd can't fit well that's what the little ready stuff is for Somewhere between four and five hundred gallons seems like a good guess to me there are seven and a half gallons in a cubic foot I'm not gonna go through all Spare me Yeah, it would take Are you ready for this? Yeah, it would take. Are you ready for this? Yeah, it would take approximately 1654 gallons of cheese to fill the interior of a 2006 Ford freestyle. That is too large.

221.1 feet, I guess is the square enormous. feet I guess is the Square enormous Wow, okay, you wait 221 0.1 cube feet I guess is what the actual interior of the Ford Freestyle is yeah Damn, okay Is the is the body cladding on the public old Ford Freestyle does it I can't remember Does it match the body or is it plastic color does?

No, is that like a limited trim or what he got there? No, it's not it's an SEL which I think in those is the basic level isn't it or not see I don't know why I think someone put Where did I look at it someone put a Ford? Freestyle Like the the dealer book, like the marketing material. I don't know what, I don't actually not positive what an SEL is.

And one of the pages, where the hell did I cut as far as in the discord, maybe I looked it up. And it had a picture. Oh, it's a step up from the base S E trim. Yeah, oh, here it it is where is this on eBay Yeah, eBay. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. This is what I was looking for. Yes. Okay. Yeah, there's a two What year is yours 2005 or 2009 six? Oh, here's a 2005 the Ford Freestyle brochure They have a 2005 here on eBay for eight dollars might have to get that as little but

When you go in yeah, there's a SC SCL and limited are the three trims it shows You know and then I like that it shows Some of the colors and the different specs that come with it, but then there is a note here somewhere Where is that at? Oh, yeah, one of the selling points of the limited is body color cladding You know instead of the other ones that have the off tone or a different color But actually when I look at the se the picture they show the se is like a green one But the body cladding is Pueblo gold. I'm pretty sure Maybe public gold was just like oh, maybe maybe it's bubble gold is the one

Like oh, maybe maybe it's bubble gold is the one SEL that does match because they were all Pueblo gold Yeah, maybe but well that's on the SC but then when the SEL they show it has the gray body cladding And then the limited is like the all-maroon one, right? But I don't know on the on the Pueblo gold. What color would they have made the cladding? Even like would have just I just assumed would have been like the gray plastic one That's a root would be quite the do you have all those? Yeah? Oh? Obviously according to this chart you have body color body color door handles, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so Yep, you got a pit. Do you have heated power body color side view mirrors? I Do not think that they're heated mirrors. Yeah, that's pretty advanced. Does that have a six disc changer? Oh

I don't think so. I don't think so. What color is the interior? It's pretty sure it's like tan also Yeah, so they're showed to have a gold essentially show tan gray and then like a black with a wood trim around the well that'd be sweet Yeah You can tell a Taurus X from a freestyle by the grill. Oh is the grill different? Yeah, if you look at the grill on a Taurus X, that's what I've come to know. When it tricks you into thinking that it's a freestyle and then you see a Taurus X,

the Taurus X has the three chrome fins in the grill, the three horizontal chrome fins that almost remind you of like F-150s of that particular year where the, this is a trick for anyone trying to see I was curious here well, but also I Feel like this all they all do this But I feel like four did this where they all all their vehicles just had the exact same grill for like years

That might be true. That might be right because like I think that is like that was it's just it's probably just because the Taurus X Started in 2008. Yeah, I think they probably changed the grill then Yeah, but that's an indicator. That's how you know It's the easiest way is other than the badge on the very back of it Uh-huh other their colors choices are probably different But it's primarily the badge on the back if you knew the color choices and the grill Yeah, those are the differentiators of the Taurus X as far as I've been able to sell Real enthusiasts over here I

Think they can also both fit approximately 1,600 gallons of cottage cheese does that seem possible to you? Just think about the gallon like one gallon of cottage cheese though isn't that big you would have to really start stacking a lot Of those in there to fill up the entire freestyle. I, you're not stacking them. You're dumping them in right every Nick and cranny That thing's just gonna be For years So that one was I Guess you failed that one. So one pass and two fails. Well, one pass, one fail and one in the middle, I guess.

What do you look up? Yeah. Any particular name of that game that comes to your mind? It's how big? Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. That's now what it is. Okay, I had one other thing, or unless you've got something, I had one other thing here

that I wanted to mention. I had, I don't know that I had maybe ever really had an iced coffee until we went to... What was it, our whole Ohio trip? Ohio. Oh, no, well the first, actually I think when we went to, what was it, our whole Ohio trip? When we got ice? Oh no, well the first, actually I think when we went to California, after we got done eating with Chad and Marissa, they're like, oh, there's a coffee place in the mall right there, or in that strip mall right there.

And I think we either got cold brews, I think we just got cold, I usually get cold brew. But I mean, they use, yeah, there's typically ice in there with it. Right, so that might've been if I got that. And that was and then Ohio right before we went to old Doc Tatloff's, we got that. Yeah. Nitro cold brew.

That nitro cold brew was really good. That's actually what kind of got me on it. Actually, that nitro is OK. It must just be a gas station brand. I don't think I've ever I don't think I've followed up on this is there's a quick depending where you live, like quick stars or quick trips. QTs, we call them. No, that's actually different because it's they call QT's that's not what we call Thank it's like in like this. It's a weird thing. It's like in Minnesota. They're quick trips like kwik trip

Okay, but then South Dakota already has one with a queue in it quick trip So in South Dakota quick trips are called quick stars to avoid the other quick trip gas station Only difference between one being starts with a Q and one starts with a K but so there's all these new quick stars popping up around town by me and They have it must be the exact same thing the nitro cold brew on tap And I go to that damn gas station so much and get that coffee. I love it It's not the kind of gas station we went to no, it's not That's why I think it must just be whoever supplies these things for everyone, right?

You know like you will go into a Casey's and they have like the same coffee maker as like 10 other gas stations But they all have the night. It's like caruba. I think or caraba caribou It's like caraba cold brew and I frickin for gas station coffee. It's like two dollars or three dollars. Oh, oh The best gas station. I've been actually jonesing for that nitro Nitro cold brew that dude. I it's it's so good. But yeah, that's okay. So anyways, though I never I guess my point until then I never really liked iced coffee. I thought it was weird to me. It was a weird I just I just coffee was always hot to me

So I never really liked it. Since then I've gotten it more often. And now I do like it for sure. And I think it was I honestly think it was that nitrile cold brew that I'm like, okay, this is so good. That now I that one in Ohio really hit the spot. That was exactly what we needed at that time, you know, and yeah, I've been hitting ice coffee hard. Well, so I get those all the time. If I go to Starbucks, I always just get a plain cold brew

or like scooters, it's another drive through in town. I just get the straight up plain cold brew. Or what I do a lot is my wife will make coffee when she gets up. This is what happens a lot. Okay, so like, let's say she has to, like tomorrow she has to be at work. Her shift starts at six.

So she'll wake up at, you know, like five, go make coffee right away. By the time I get out of bed and she leaves to be at work, her shift starts at six. So she'll wake up at like five, go make coffee right away. By the time I get out of bed, and she leaves the coffee pot on, by the time I get out of bed, the coffee's been cooking for like three hours on there. I usually don't even bother, I just turn it off. Actually sometimes I might drink it.

Sometimes I might even let it go another hour and drink it when it's a good, you know, burnt. And then later in the day after I've turned the pot off, like let's say it's oh two, and I'm like oh I'm gonna go outside and lift in the next hour. I'll usually go get some ice in a cup, pour the coffee on it, and it's disgustingly burnt coffee. But the fact is I didn't have to make any more of it.

And it's ready to go because it's been at room temperature for the last few hours. So that's typically how I've been consuming my coffee lately. Don't recommend that very much. Well, like I've ordered so little coffee in my life from like places you buy coffee. This is what I'll say that I just I'm just now understanding this level, which is just the most absolute basic level of it. So like just within months, like I've like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,'s I want something cold. It's cold brew like every place has cold brew now

It's like yep. That's like my go-to. I want something hot I'm either getting a hot coffee or I'll get an Americano which is just shots of espresso with water and it's like those are pretty much the only three things I'll ever get at a coffee place and It's easy, you know, but here here was what confused me because I didn't understand. I thought cold brew meant ice coffee I thought those were completely synonymous. Oh, there was no nuance there now, and then it's like, oh no You can order an Americano iced coffee. You can order this an iced coffee You can order a cold brew iced coffee like cold like it's actually Yeah, cuz the cold brew and iced coffee are two separate parts of the order.

Yes. Like that could be swapped out with different parts of the finishers of the order. Yeah, because cold brew is almost like you just, it's kind of like you made tea. Like you soaked water in some beans for a long enough time. And then, because I used to, like there was one summer I would always make my own cold brew.

Like you'd grind up the beans, you'd put it in the little carafe thing. And then after like a day, then it's been filter or whatever it's ready to go, but Yeah, so what what I have noticed is an iced like Sometimes it seems to be the place has run out of the cold brew they can yes like I don't know why I don't Really then they'll say well I can make you I can we can do an Americano iced and I'm like, okay. Yeah, let's try that. We'll do that When there's something about when they're taking literal hot coffee and pouring it on ice that I mean I'm not shouldn't say there's something about it. It's no fucking mystery

Hot item and pouring it on it is like that doesn't really work very good The ice kind of all melts right? You know, like that's not a great, uh, great coffee at that point. Yeah. That's why cold brew is just the best sipper. It's just right. So I always works. So I do like cold brew, but I really, I can't wait to go back to Ohio.

Sometimes Dr. Tatti waffle. So we can go to that one gas station. The next time you come to town, we'll go to the quick stars down the road from my house. We'll get a little pour our tap of nitro cold brew and relive the Dr. Tati waffles. I think cold brew has higher, is typically higher in caffeine.

Highly caffeinated. Yeah. And my thing, like I can have one of the, like I don't drink any beverage slowly. The only beverage I drink somewhat slowly is hot coffee because it is hot Anything cold if you put like a straw in it and give it to me cold or just an open top I'll have it gone and like

One drink I have to regulate myself to not have it gone in like three drinks So that's when I have iced coffee. I'm like well. That was good. What you know I'm like well That was a sweet $5. That took like took me 20 seconds to finish. That's why the that's why the gas station ones are great, because it's like 20 ounces and it's three dollars. I got Starbucks that right. One would be like nine dollars at Starbucks. Right. That's I'm I I like gas station coffee.

I think that I think most of the time gas station coffee is just I I mean Starbucks coffee isn't that great. It's just the same everywhere You know, it's like it's whatever but yeah gas station coffee if you can find one that's decent. Yeah, it's nothing wrong with that at all Coffee snobs are a lot like IPA snob. It's it's the same exact thing or or whiskey snobs here whatever, you know Oh this is a little more peaty. Yeah, okay, buddy As a nutty after Yeah, okay, so most just trying to have a good time shut it Buzz on over here. I'm just trying to get a simple caffeine buzz or a drunk or whatever the I'm just trying to get a simple caffeine buzz or a drunk or whatever the

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Yeah, I want you to give me some direction here. Um, let's see. We done. I just just randomly clicked here. What state you looking at? Um, have we done one in Montana yet? No, Montana with is is still on the board. Okay, well right on the border is a little city

we call Butte, Montana. She's a Butte. And I see North Side of Grand Barbell. Where we got there? Four photos here catching my attention. North Side of Grand Barbell, that's in Montana. Grand, okay, let me write this one down. Oh yeah, north side of Grand Bar, yeah, yeah.

All right, so Montana, a little off the beaten path. Mm-hmm, and I'm looking, and I, I mean, this is for sure is this like a garage or like a shed of some kind maybe? Like a barn, an outbuilding, a shop? It seems like it has really high ceilings in it. It does have high ceilings. I think that's a shop.

Let's say this is a shop. Okay, well first garage. Right off the bat. Yeah. Like we were saying, big high ceilings. Looks like they got the ceilings insulated up there, don't they, with the, you know, got the. He's got a heater in here, so I bet it's insulated.

Yeah, we got a ceiling fan, we got some good lights in here, but we got horse stall mats down. And right away, I see this white rack. And I think this is a rep rack. And it's the Ares, whatever they're, selectorized all-in-one functional trainer rack, whatever they call it.

Got the white and black set up very clean. We got some, I don't know if it's the rep or the rogue's mono arms in the rack as well. Oh, yeah Lots of weights on there a lot of massonomics items. I can see the strongman flag the crispy boys There yeah, we got I wonder if this is like some type of leg press hack squat combo in the back corner You see that one. It's for sure a hack squat It maybe it's just a hack. Yeah, I might just be a of leg press hack squat combo in the back corner you see that one. It's for sure a hack squat It maybe it's just a hack. Yeah, I might just be a leg press I don't really see a pad down on the bottom there

I think we got some adjustable dumbbells there And then if we go to the next those like the bow flex ones or something. Oh, it looks like It looks like there's actual plates underneath on the storage unit there Yeah, and then next one we got a reverse hyper We got a couple benches. We got the power lifting flag, too Oh, we got the freak athlete reverse hyper. Oh, yeah, they call that thing that things in there I don't know if we've seen a gym on one of these yet that has that I don't think we have He's also got the forced air

ceiling mounted Yeah, propane or natural gas heater. Mm-hmm Got that I see it looks like there's an old even in the corner there looks like there's an old Chevy truck in there Tanner See that Is it a Chevy? Oh, sorry. Sorry Ford. Oh, that's a Ford. Maybe I can't really tell he also has That's a Ford maybe I can't really tell he also has The high lift genie so this must be a high ceiling He's got the gene the the genie that those dangerous things that take you shoot you're really high up into the air Yeah, he's got one of those maybe this maybe maybe he's a insulator himself for a she's insulating so good

He did it himself On the final one we got also has a big ladder there, too So this guy likes to be high up he just likes to be as far away from the ground as possible Oh, he also has a wood burning stove in the final one. That's a wood burning stove, right? Yeah Yeah, I got a pile of wood in the corner. I like the TV with the black toolbox underneath it. That's a really clean, sleek look there. We've got the Lyft Hard Laveezy flag, obviously the certified training facility one, some other ones.

Yeah, pretty good looking place. I did notice one thing. What I'm wondering actually though is like, do you think you get strong in this all I? Mean they got that genie lifting in here like that alone should answer the question, but hell yeah, you're getting strong North side of Grand Barbell It's happening our side of Grand Barbell in Butte, Montana Butte, Montana. Butte, Montana, she's a Butte.

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Okay to spend on a home gym The answer is one very specific number So we got a we did a lot of math and came up with a specific enough people People heard us crunching numbers early in this episode. They know we know our way around a number machine. So this is not going to be a very long title topic. The amount that is OK to spend on a home gym is $10,212.72. And show we don't we don't make the rules. It's just so we came to you. It's how it goes That's not true you probably even had guessed that we were just being silly by saying that So what does this stem from though? Like that's the title of the time? Yeah, it was it was well first of all just spend any Amount of time just look at we you know

We've done a lot of gym tours at this point and we've toured gyms that cost I don't know a few thousand dollars all the way up to gyms that have cost many hundreds of thousands of dollars yep and a wide variety in between so damn near any budget there's a gym tour that we've done and if you get to anything that's even just slightly outside the most basic gym, you're going to get a, and I shouldn't even say basic, just anything that slightly deviates from just a standard home gym,

you're gonna get comments like, well, that was a waste of money, that guy spent way too much, that's dumb, why would you, you know, just negative comments about it. And so I've been seeing more and more of those, especially because we have had some more expensive home gyms featured. So that comment always comes up. And then just spend any amount of time on the home gym or garage gym reviews, Facebook group. And this comment comes up over and

over and over. So and so got stronger with old rusty plates or I've had the same bench for 50 years and I'm strong, you know, things like that. But what really what really got me was I think it was about two weeks ago, tried so hard to find the post and I could not find it because finding things in the Facebook group is a nightmare. But someone made a comment about like, it was like some of y'all spend way too much

on your home gym. This is ridiculous. Like you need to get a hobby or something. And I think the reason it popped up was because I believe Brandon Campbell wrote a rebuttal back and it was something along the lines of like the horror. Imagine people in a garage gym Facebook group spending money on their garage gym, which just shows how stupid this thing is. It's like going into a car club and being mad that people spent money on cars. Like anyone would be like, well, yeah, that's dumb. But for some reason, for whatever reason in the garage gym

reviews, Facebook group, there's a group of people that think spending money on your hobby is just the biggest waste of money in the world, so. Well, get a hobby, it is a hobby. Like, it is a hobby. Yeah, that's what we're gonna try and determine today. Like, what is the right amount someone can or should spend on their home gym, all things considered? Yeah, like, are the commenters on.

The home gym Facebook group correct that everyone should be shunned for spending too much in their home gym. It's kind of interesting too. So we put this in here because I think that comment was like two or three weeks ago. Um, so we've had this, this topic to talk about for a little while, but just today,

actually, Brandon Campbell came out with a. Uh, video. What was the name of his YouTube video let me find three something it was like mistakes like home gym mistakes or have you watched it I did watch it and I'll give you the on my West it was it was somewhat shorter so it was easy to get through it was the three biggest home gym money mistakes so actually pretty similar honestly so it was easy to get through. It was the three biggest home gym money mistakes. So actually pretty similar, honestly. And it was funny because his three topics were,

I think the first one was not, the first one was not spending enough, people buy crap right away. Just trying to save too much money. The second one was spending too much. And then the third one was I think was like buying equipment That's the wrong size or something like that Which I think are all like very good very valid points

Yeah, so like that it's just kind of funny that he also has a somewhat similar topic yeah discussing here Oh, he sounds like he copied us. He knew what we were doing Stealing stealing our future notes to make videos. It sounds like damn it. How did he do that? So I guess on that topic, it is a spectrum. Of course, it's a spectrum of where one fits into here. Some people pride themselves on spending very little. Like that's the point of

that's one thing I've learned a lot in the home gym community is there's there's it's like with all things though but it's just you see it amplified when you've done it the way we have where you're going to exceptional places right you see the spectrum of people that take a ton of pride in like hey I've been flipping and scouring deals and searching and like, I mean, there's people that, you know, line item know everything that they spent on everything. And there's also people that are like, yeah, I've just, I've spent a few thousand bucks and I got this like, like my whole gym, like,

you know, so there's that. But then you also have the people like, I literally money does not matter to me I just want what I like and yeah, if it costs me money to get here That's what it costs like I don't that's money is not the issue and then you know There's there's varying levels in between but just in our experience. It's funny seeing People's different philosophies and how they approach the money part of it. Yeah Yeah, I guess I what I I don't, what I know, or I guess what I'd say about it is really,

it emphasizes the fact of those YouTube comments, it's just odd to judge other people on what they're deciding to spend on their hobby, because even if I try to make some general statements on it, I'm like, I don't know, everyone is different. Like literally everyone is, everyone's in a different place With what they want which how much money they have what's what's responsible for them to spend on it because you know We've been in home gyms that cost over a hundred thousand dollars or we've been in home gyms that cost a quarter of a million

dollars if not more than that, but that cost a quarter of a million dollars, if not more than that. But it's also people that, and I use these words carefully because actually I think a lot of people misinterpret what can afford means. But I'm talking about people that I feel like, what I know literally can afford it.

Some people think can afford means like, oh yeah, I just have a firm breaking into 20. I just maxed out all my credit cards. Yeah, or buy now, pay later button said said I pay for this over the next 12 months, right? And that's not what I mean by can afford. I mean people that their life their income, you know all the factors they can literally do this and it Like doesn't negatively impact other parts of their life Yes

like I don't think any of these people are buying, like the people that we're thinking of are buying any of this on credit or loans. Like if they're buying on credit, yeah, they swipe the card and they just paid it off. It's not like they're making, I don't think these people are making payments on these items that we've, I don't think actually anyone's gym we've been to,

I just would be shocked if anyone we've done a gym tour has is actually making payments on their home gym items. Well, I guess that's just a question in general. Do you think it is OK for people to buy gym equipment and make payments? I mean, people will people will say things like, well, if you break it up into payments and don't pay interest and I'm like, I don't I don't like to play that game. I don't do that. No, no, I don't. We both personally would not do.

I would I would wait a year to avoid making payments on. Right. And there are people all but you're losing the opportunity for a year. It's like, no, I just do something different. Right. No, I am.

I'm very much of the do not be making payments on your home gym hobby. Like it's. That's no. Don't do that. Do not do that. But yeah, OK. and I would agree with that That is it so that's a general rule that I would get would I This whole thing don't make payments

Yeah, like don't break something into payments. Yeah, like buy now pay all the buy now pay later things They'll still make it more expensive. Don't they? Presumably, I don't know how they could not, other than it's just, if it is. You don't remember the last time what it cost when you did one of those buttons? Right, right. Here's what I would say,

if they don't make it more expensive, it is more expensive, it's baked into the cake already. Yeah, well, I think it is. Let's say you go, I don't even know if rogue has it. But like if it's you know, if you're buying a barbell for $300, I think it's like, yeah, you buy it now for 300. Or if it's the buy now pay later thing, I think it might be like 345 or something like that. Right. But again, don't do that. That's just don't do that. But one thing that I've realized too, is a lot

of people don't realize like a lot of people don't realize, like a lot of people just project their money situation onto everyone. And I mean, I definitely, like when I think of myself in my early twenties, I didn't comprehend that there could be people out there that make a lot of money. Like I just didn't realize that was a thing. You know, like, well, yeah, obviously millionaires and stuff exists, but it's like, well, but no one that I know has a lot of money. Like I just didn't realize that was a thing. You know, it's right, you know, like, well, yeah, obviously, millionaires and stuff exists, but it's like, well, but no one that I know has a lot of money. Right. Right. And now as time has gone on and, you know, just life has happened and you've been exposed to more things and more businesses and more people

and more situations, you're like, oh, no, there's actually a lot of people with a lot of money out there. And you start to realize like, yeah, someone's spending like a few extra 10,000 here or there on their gym. In the scheme of things isn't really that big of a deal. But to some people online, it's the most insane thing ever that someone would this hobby, like their number one hobby, the thing that they like to do, take care of their health, keep them interested that someone would spend money on that is just incomprehensible for certain groups of people.

Yep, that's definitely true. And it is I guess, it's the projecting thing you projecting your situation onto someone else. And you're like, well, that would be wild for me to spend that much. So it's crazy for you to say that much. Well, and I think back, you know, let's just say when I was 21, had my first starting my career, my first job, I don't even know the number like so far on my home gym. I don't if it's like, I don't know if I spent six thousand or seven thousand,

whatever, it's less than 10. I think it's a little over five. And if you would have told me like at 21, like, Oh, do you want to spend like seven grand on a home gym? I'd be like, Paul, that's the biggest waste of money. And I was going to the gym at the time, but I'm like, I can go to the gym for like 40 bucks a month here. Why would I spend six grand a bill? That's that's insane. And, you know, here, 36. And I'm like, well, no, that's not crazy at all.

Like, that's a very modest setup. You know, it's just right. Right. Me. So, yeah, I think people. Yeah, it comes down to people projecting their own financial situation onto other people's lives. Yeah, I also think we have

seen, like you said, we've gone to some home gyms that have done a really good job of like creating really cool home gyms and probably spending very little money. Oh, totally. Between a split, which is also like,

probably people that could afford to spend more if they really wanted to, but they've been able to, like, the art of that becomes a hobby for some people. Oh, definitely. I guess is what I would say, the art of the deal and the flip and the, is an art too. It's the deal, the flip, the negotiating, the being on the prowl, the hunt,

the search for doing all this stuff like that, That's a whole hobby in itself, too. And some people are really good at it and have like built really cool home gyms for a price that's like a fraction of what they would cost otherwise. It's just interesting how different like just how different people take a different approach to that. So some people are like like probably never bought a single use thing in their entire home gym and don't care. And then other people like I've never bought a new thing.

I've never bought a new piece. I didn't really think about that, but that is very bad. Yeah, we've definitely been to gyms where. Yeah, you're right. I, I, there's probably not a single use piece of equipment in them. And then there's other gyms where there's almost not a where there's almost not a new piece of equipment in them, you know, outside of probably getting a few new barbells. But in which case you're investing a lot more time.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah, you decide what your time is worth. And sometimes you get lucky and things fall into your lap. You know, you just it pops up. But and like I said, people I think get passionate about the deal. Like they're like, no, part of my hobby is the thrill of the hunt. It is, it's, I was getting that feeling for a while there.

You know, when I got that lap pull down and I'm like, oh God, like, yeah. This is where, and then like, that's like, and then you're like, look how much money I just saved. Like, oh, 100% comparable brand new costs couple thousand bucks. Right, right. I saved so much It just took me going on Facebook marketplace actually just like one time and then wrenching a trailer and spend an entire day

Driving and coming back and then another day painting and loading and unloading and restoring this thing Yeah, I mean, I only had like 20 hours wrapped up into it, but I saved a lot of money right like 20 hours wrapped up into it, but I saved a lot of money. Right. Which that's actually a good point too. You did actually save a lot of money. Yeah. But you did put a lot of time into it. I did. Like, net effect is very worth it, I think.

It is. It is, especially when you can see it. You can discount your time though too. Yeah. Oh, it's like, yes, like it. And yeah, also depending on where you're at in life too, like your time might be pretty loose and free. Yeah, yeah.

It might be also incredibly a scarce resource. So it's, right. It's on you to decide again there. Well, one other thing that I think is, when we've talked about this before that I think is really funny to talk about is, so people shitting on people for spending money on their home gym, which just exists.

But the funny concept is a lot of times I would not be surprised if the people that are like, oh, that's such a dumb waste of money. If they're, it's like, it's not crazy to think that that person is driving a truck that's from the year 2022 or newer. And it's like, yeah, and then you spent $50,000 on a pickup truck. And that's like, that's not a hobby, man. Like, that's just a truck. And like, you could have the world's nicest home gym for that damn near one that we're just making up a person, but let's say that a hypothetical person, yeah, that person purchase the most expensive thing of their life that is also the highest, the most quickly depreciating asset that they'll ever purchase too. Like the home gym equipment depreciates a certain amount

just by purchasing it, it's no longer new. Actually, if you buy it used, it probably doesn't really depreciate. Well, to me it's like it's new, and then once it's no longer new, it's just used. It's either used or it's used and kind of damaged so it's by something new you get you take a depreciation To a certain level on the gym equipment, but then it's pretty much unchanged. Yep. It's kind of like perishable I know it's just bands and pads and stuff like that

It's kind of just plate pricing like it's not like oh no well these ones are three years older than these ones So they're they're like half as much like it's not how it was it is a funny thought though like and Nobody bats an eye At a car pat at a car payment like no I mean it's like no that's normal. Yeah It does provide transportation which is necessary it does it does but also there's a lot of I mean You look at what like the number one still that, you know, the top 10 selling vehicles in America and of the top 10, like five of them are trucks. It's like, well, most people that have trucks don't do truck things like.

Right. And when I say most, I mean, like, yeah, like most like, well, I I move lumber like once a year. Yeah. Well, you don't really do truck things though well, and it's also the they don't bat an eye at that's you know that person might could have a 40 50 60 thousand dollar vehicle with a 700 to 1200 dollar monthly payment where they could have a there again. It's not my job to criticize some for what they have, but just to play the devil's advocate or the flip side of the coin. That person is judging that

person with the $1,200 monthly payment on a vehicle that he could easily even if he wants a pickup, he could buy one that's 10 years older, one third of the price, you know, you could buy and that's still just as effective for it because if you're making the case like no I need this for yeah transportation for Whatever it is. I use this vehicle for well, you could still have one that's considerably less expensive than that But yet you're judging the gym person on them spending $3,500 on this cable set up rack.

Or $300 on a barbell or whatever. You know, like in the scheme of things, like yes, like it is money and everyone's situation's different, but like in the scheme of things, not insane amounts of money, like compared to what things do cost out there. And maybe every hobby is like this

and I'm just not involved in enough of them, but it is kind of an odd thing because like when you make the cars comparison If could you imagine it's car collectors that people aren't like oh you spent $22,000 on that used Corvette What the hell you imagine like you have a you have a 69 Chevy truck Could you imagine if you got in like a Chevy truck owners? You're like you dumbasses keep spending money on your Chevy's? Like, you know, that's what we're here for.

You don't know you could have bought the, uh, uh, beat the shit old one that had no working engine in it and you could have restored an old engine and instead of spending $10,000 you could have spent $3,000. I mean, you need to be a semi-professional mechanic and spend 170 working hours on it or even even the argument can be like well These Chevy's are stupid. You could have just went bought a Toyota Camry and it's like well, right But this is the hobby man. Like this is literally the hobby. It's like part of this, you know, right? Yeah, I have a I have a buddy that had a vehicle that was just a Toyota camera and Cameron

He got around just fine. It's like well, yeah Don't say you can't do that unrelated. Yeah, we're here because we like these That is a good comparison. Yeah, it's like no I like getting this adjustable nice adjustable that I just like to think of I just like to think of There being like a Corvette owners group in South Dakota and someone joins It's like are you dumbasses spending money on your Corvette like like he's the one guy that doesn't get it That's what I have a Ford Freestyle Even has more seats than your car

Ten percent yeah, that's good. And then, actually I was just gonna say something we've already said four times, so I'm just gonna say this. No, well I was just gonna say like somewhat in summary, everyone can do what they want when it comes to the home gym. Like it's a weird thing to really decide what other people should be doing. That's ultimately the thing with this is

what's the proper amount of money to spend? Whatever you can comfortably afford and is good for your life and your financial goals. Like if lifting and your gym is the absolute most important thing in your life, then yeah, maybe you do want to spend a lot of money on it. But, you know, if it's just kind of a hobby that you like to spend money on

and maybe you have a lot of disposable income, that's totally fine too. Like if you wanna throw some, like there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't make dumb financial decisions. Here's my real advice if a friend of mine that came to me for advice as someone that, you know, he says,

I feel like you know, you could provide good advice for me on this. You know, I really want an awesome home gym. I've got it all planned out. It's gonna cost me $12,000. I don't really have any money right now. Should I do that? It's like, no.

Here's my advice, no. You don't have any money, no. My advice would be start checking Facebook Marketplace. Like how much disposable income do you actually have? And like what can you budget out for this? Like can you part with like 300 bucks a month? Okay. Maybe we should start saving that 300 bucks a month until you get a little bit more and then you'll feel like you're like maybe you should look at some used equipment first because here's

here's some things that just probably make more sense to buy used than new when you're working with a Limited budget and most people are working with some sort of a limited budget. It's just how limited is it or is it not? But that would be my advice, which we already said. I'm like, don't spend money that you don't have. Don't be making payments and taking out loans for your gym. Yeah, don't spend money that you need to pay your rent or your mortgage or your necessary bills, but

Beyond that if you can prioritize it in your budget Then I would then say okay if this is important to you like beyond those things what and if you can make it a priority in your budget and put it ahead of You're like if you're like, well, I don't really give a shit about I Don't know what other whatever shit, you know, I don't really go out. I don't really give a shit about. I don't know what other whatever should you know, I don't really go out. I don't really spend money on restaurants and that stuff. And you can prioritize the money so you can afford a greater home gym.

Then I beg, oh, yeah, you should do that. If that's what's going to make you happy, then that's an awesome idea. Yeah, I don't got student loans. I don't got a car payment. I don't. Right. It's like, oh, yeah, I got a house. Don't not make your car payment that you're on so you can buy a new leg press slash hack squat machine for your home gym. You know, don't don't do that.

Yeah, that would be the advice I would actually give like a friend. Yeah, that's the ultimate way. And even before that, it's also comes down to I think this is the number one thing with I actually I Play the scenario my head of if I was just getting into lifting I don't I think a home gym is actually kind of a bad idea if you're just getting into lifting because you don't even know What style you don't know what I'm training you even like to do You know how expensive that would be to just like trial and error when you're buying I think I want a cable machine

I think I want to do all this barbell training. I think I want all these dumbbells. I think I want these machines. Like, dude, it was so, I mean, actually I wouldn't, it was actually relatively, I had to do a little bit of thinking about what I wanted and I've done almost the same style of training for like 15 years now. It's like, what am I even thinking about? I know exactly what I do.

I don't change anything up here. And I still had to do a little thinking about it. So I would say even before you get a home gym, really decide what is your style of training? Because yeah, it can be very expensive if you don't know even what type of lifting you want to do. Yeah, that's a good call out. Okay, anything else on how much you should spend

on home gym equipment? However much you can comfortably do and live with yourself at night without making payments. Yeah Your money spend it how you want it's my money I want it now JG Wentworth they were on to something they knew what they're saying. All right speaking this reminds me speaking of spending I knew what they're saying. All right, speaking, this reminds me, speaking of spending unreasonable amounts of money on gym equipment, I had never mentioned on the podcast, but thanks to the help of Vintage Weights Rob,

Efren, Chicago Iron, several others, I did become the owner of, I preface this with speaking of unreasonably priced gym equipment, my vintage weights, vintage plates wall that I've sort of accumulated over the last six months or whatever it's been on the project. I did kind of secure the crown piece of at least my vintage weight collection, which is a set of eerie Jacksons. And they are, now, this will,

speaking of insane hobbies. Strap in people, like going down the rabbit hole. If someone wants to criticize people for spending money on gym equipment, this would make the most sense to criticize people. It does, yeah, the vintage weight community has opened it up to actually interesting point. That's a whole set. That's a whole like Other level of crazy honestly like that's a whole that there actually is that is a whole different hobby, right? And it's just like well. Why is that?

Why is that old charger? or old? Chevelle that's still rusted out. Why did you just spend like? $18,000 on that 68 so they don't make it anymore That's kind of the it's like well because I collect this shit, you know like that to circle it back to the car collecting I think it's got a history and I don't make it anymore. Actually, I made so it can't just be they don't make it anymore. There's a lot of shit they don't make anymore. But there's a lot of shit that doesn't have a history. You know, this has a history, right? Right. So I got a pair of eerie

Jackson 45s. They're the blue ones. And they're particularly interesting because these came directly out of Joe's gym. Joe because these came directly out of Joe's gym. Joe is the guy that bought Jackson from Andy Jackson when he got out of it. And the plates that he made in Erie, Pennsylvania, that Joe made, once he bought it all are called Erie Jackson's. They're essentially the final form of Jackson plates. You know, they're not the final generation. They're not they're not generation one. They're not generation two.

You know, they're called the Erie Jackson's. And the primary way you can tell they're near Jackson is because they're machined on the front. Oh, they are. So like the hub and that is machine versus the back. These you particularly know because they came from Joe, the guy that was literally making them. Were these, were all of them blue then?

Or what's the story with the blue? I think he painted those. I don't know that that was even original. Just for his own person. I think that was just his personal plates and his gym. But they've been blue a long time though, right? Yeah, yeah, they're not, they're, it's like old paint, but not, I don't know that that's original,

but it's old, I guess. It wasn't like it was put on 10 years ago. No, and so mine are signed by Joe. So roughly what year though were these plates made? I don't know if I would say the right answer. If I could look it up, I've got effort. I mean we're talking like 60s ish That's what I might say. That's what I might say. I don't know. I'm sure it's well known when Andy sold Yeah, when Andy Jackson sold it to

Joe and that would be the time frame. So I don't know if that's 60s or 70s Something like that is my rough guess. So these plates are maybe 50 or 60 years old, is what I would think. So they're not the oldest of vintage plates, because these are the newest Jackson's that you would find out there really is what they are. But these ones are particularly interesting because of the story that comes behind them because they are from Joe's personal collection. Yeah, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, so there was a certain number of these

that came up for sale and the vintage iron kingpins. The sharks were out in the water. Yeah, I assumed I had no shot of, I wasn't even on my radar. I mean, I saw that the deal like you saw rumblings of something going down on this, but I'm like, yeah, this isn't my bag. We see some rumblings. Was this in the discord or where was in the Facebook vintage group? And so anyways, that group of them secured them all, you know, Efren, Rob and whatever. And they approached me and asked if I would be because they wanted to distribute these to people that would enjoy well that can afford them and that also would enjoy enjoy them and right. So probably not just the collection and people that wouldn't just flip them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah money because They were not cheap, but they probably weren't exactly market value either is what that is what I would say

you know, so someone could and The whole thing of this happening probably drove up the market value of these particular plates Anyways amongst the group of collectors. So Just the act of it happening. It's kind of ironic like drives drove the price up Yeah of them. So some people that weren't going to just flip and sell them and try to make money. And I'm like, I'm not interested in trying to make money on any of the vintage weights I buy. I just want them because I want them.

And hopefully I never go broke and have to sell them to pay bills. Do you take by now? Pay later. So I got those. That's the long story short, is I got those eerie Jackson signed plates and they are the coolest plates in my collection and they go front and center on the top row of the vintage plates wall. So do you know how many of these plates there were that that went off in this collection as far as the 45s go?

There again, I don't know well enough if there was 10 ish pairs. I thought I heard the number six at one point. So it wasn't it wasn't 40 pairs or anything. No, there was a think a variety of plates, you know, and there's and this is just a pair of 45s. And there were some other stuff. And I know Rob got some stuff and a bunch of these other guys all got some stuff. But I don't like these blue plates like that. There was not a lot of a lot of pairs of them.

That's what I. Yeah, I didn't know if the number was 20 pairs, 30 pairs, 40 pairs. Yeah, no. So and then so Rob picked them up for me and he mailed them to me. And is it a pair or just one a pair? OK, one pair of 45s. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. So I do have one pair of the 45s and they're pretty sweet. Actually, I mean, as far as this insane hobby of of the 45s and they're pretty sweet actually as far as this insane Hobby of collecting vintage weight skills. They're pretty sweet. Yeah, and now let you say it, you know last time was at the gym I had kind of a big lift and

Other than just glancing over at the vintage weight wall I yeah, I just didn't take the time to actually really really look right to be a yeah Yeah, which I have to do the next time because they are cool because they have the lead pockets On them, you know, is there lead actually in them? No, there's not and it seems like that's kind of the thing that Efron says that's what I'm are basically empty Aren't they well because they also machined the plates the you machine the plates to get them accurate So I'm like once you've machined the plates. They're probably L You need the lead plates if your plates are underweight. You machine them to bring it down in weight.

The lead plates would bring it up in weight. So it must've been fairly rare that they were too light. Or people just didn't even bother fill it. You know, I don't know what the, or the lead fell out. I don't know, it could've been a number of things, but yeah, they're cool. They're really expensive. And you know, it's like talking about our title topic of this week,

it's absolute insanity. Collecting, I guess it's just a larger topic on collecting things. Oh, collectors. Where it's any hobby or anything. It just gets to be. Look up, get to the collector's edge of things. Right, like the numbers start to only makes any sense

at all, if at other little to those collectors to anyone outside of it, it's in its insanity actually is what I would say because I Know we're using the example of cars but car cars are a perfect. Yeah, but people I feel like people get the value of Well, no, but they don't think well I don't think so once you get into like not collecting cars. People get a car like why is that car worth? $320,000 yeah, and it's like well yeah, but this Ferrari Right that's the people do it even like not that old of cars. It's like oh, yeah like this Lambo is worth 200,000 this one's exactly the, but instead of an automatic transmission,

it has a manual. So instead of being 200,000, it's a million dollars now. Yeah, they only made 30 of that. But it's just stuff like that. It's like, well yeah, there is, I guess a functional difference, but is it a 5X functional difference? Right.

Yeah. And weight plates, you know, you're saying weight is weight. Well, weight is weight, and these are not compared on that same scale, because it is just a collecting it is like a collector item, which is crazy, which I would agree, but all of it kind of all is crazy. And then you say, why is it worth that? And the same is true for any of it. It's just worth that because there's

enough people that agree that it's worth that because the market has determined it like that. That's like the collectors is the best example of just the market at work. Cause you know, there's no, there's, there's no, uh, sales and marketing team. Value. Yeah. There's no sales and marketing team pushing out emails of like, oh, hey, we're running a sale or go buy this now. Like just, it's like, Nope, Nope.

It just, it is what it is. And the community collectively decides what they want to pay for something. Yeah. So my plate wall is kind of full now. Yeah, so that's what I was gonna ask you though is for the time being that project is basically complete? Yeah, because I basically filled my 15 plate wall, which I gotta say the project worked out

even better than what I thought. It was like, the way it looks is really cool, I think. Like it just is a cool piece in the gym It's almost a piece of art as far as Jim Oh, yeah, when I when I went into the gym, I told you it's just like it it hits me How just crazy everything looks in there. There's just walls of dumbbells walls of York dumbbells. There's this wall of vintage plates You're just you almost feel small in there now because there's so much big stuff Right like that wall of plates,

even if you don't care at all about collecting vintage weights, which most people don't. Most people that go to the gym, most people that are even really into the gym, most people that were at home GymCon still don't care about collecting vintage weights. I don't even think I knew it was a thing until we had Efren on the podcast

and you were like, yeah, we gotta get this guy on. You know, that was like three or four years ago. A couple years ago, yeah. But I don't think until then I even knew that that was a thing at all. Right. But even not caring about any of that, I think most people would look at that and say,

I don't know what it is, but I think that that thing was kind of cool. Oh, I think so too when you look at it. Because most people, because I think it also, well, people listen to this are a little different because they've been around the gym. But I think your average Well people listen to this are a little different because they've been around the gym But right I think your average person if you're like, what's a weight plate and they're describing like It's just like this circle and some people would be like it weighs 45 pounds and some wouldn't know that

But then to go in there and see Almost this time machine of different designs and colors and patterns and all this over the years I think people like oh That's pretty cool how people have figured out and came up with all these different ways of doing this as time went on. Right. So yeah, that project's pretty much done. I don't really have much of an itch on the vintage. You know, my big

project for a long time was the roundhead dumbbell collection. You know, I completely come did that finish at at this time last year at the meet last year? I finished a year ago. OK. And then I didn't really start on this vintage plate journey until, I don't know, it might have been like six months. It was after, well, I was just starting

when we went and visited Effort in Southern California. And that was in January. Yeah, that's what I feel like I remember. I had a few pairs of plates that I had just really gotten the bug on this. So that escalated quickly, I guess. But I sort of got to the point where I feel, I don't really have the itch on much anymore.

Like the Jacksons were kind of, I felt like I was somewhat done. Well, you gotta really be dropping serious money to even do anything now, right? Well, and it basically already was like that. Well, no, I know, but like now, it's even just like- Well, now it'd be like, I have to spend, I mean, legitimately,

it could be like $10,000. Exactly. Yes. To get any, you know, I could get, there's a few other cheap, modestly priced ones I could get and add and switch around. Like I, I don't have blue Schistler Eagle plates. And someday maybe I'll swap out my. Gray ones for blue. We're kind of just doing sort of lateral moves here.

That's yeah, there's no this one for this one. And like I kind of did as high on the pyramid as I'm ever going to be willing to go. Well, I thought you told me you didn't even really think Jackson's would ever even know thing ever. I didn't really plan on this. But then this particularly rare scenario came up where I was like, yeah, I'm just, I can't afford not to talk to myself. And then I can't afford, I have zero buyers remorse

over that too. Like I feel like I'm like, oh, I'm really glad that I got the luck of getting it on that. Yeah, that is the one of the, I mean, as far as that goes, that is to me feels like the pinnacle as far as just the coolness of I mean Yes, there's uvers and stuff exists, but that's just a whole nother monster right like that's to like your point or your question I'm like that's a whole separate

What like the York tall letters? $20,000 plates that that basically don't exist outside of a couple people's collection Yeah And then the next time those do exist if they're that basically don't exist outside of a couple people's collection. You know, like in the world. And then the next time those do exist, if they're 20,000 now and they come up for sale, someone's gonna spend even more because they're gonna want them that bad, you know.

Right, right, yeah, exactly. So for, you know, it's easier just to assume that they actually don't really exist because they essentially don't. Right, yeah. So I'm feeling pretty good. I don't really know. Now I'm back to getting you know

Just actual functional gym equipment to get I know that I scratch that itch So now you're gonna move on to one inch plates one inch vintage plates I have no interest in those at all like I'm like no I have zero interest in that You know for dumbbell sets I always wonder would I want to get a set of buns and globes, you know, because I have the round heads. I like the round heads. Buns and globes are more of a novelty and less of a usable set of dumbbells. And then it just starts to be a lot of the gym dedicated to.

I can't afford to fill up another two racks of dumbbells I'm like certain point. We're like why is there more old dumbbells in this gym? What's going on right? Oh? We're actually losing space There's so many dumbbells in there, so I just don't know though what I mean I don't have a lot of I feel pretty good about About it. I guess the guess the other thing I thought about is the way the vintage plate wall turned out. Like at some point in time,

would I ever just make another one of those and not get more expensive plates, but just in the lower range, just continue to get like just a bigger variety even, where it's just like, wow, just like what you talked about, how you look at it and be like, oh, I can see all the different variations here.

It looks kind of cool. Like, could I have like a partner one on the other side that's just even more variety? But I don't actually have an itch for that at all, but maybe that would be the thing I would do if I ever did more of it, I don't know. I'm sure there'll be a random thing here or there that'll pop up, but I don't see any big,

I don't have like, the dumbbells was a big collection this plate thing was a big collection I don't really see my third big collection that I'm gonna try to steer towards. I don't care about the full sets That's another thing people do they get the 45s and then you're like, you know, I actually want the full set I don't even want to find spy. I know effort has them I don't even think in my mind of him having no sets I just think of 45 is all I even you know, yeah The little ones don't look interesting like the 45 Yeah, it's just the thing for like in your brain to know you have it and that's it like no one else cares either Right. Nobody cares about even the 45

Very a very feel like I take a pretty small crack to people with a select set of skills do I? Feel like I try to take a pretty practical approach and like find the humor in the Ridiculousness of the entire thing like I think that that's important even though like yeah, it is like You know it is collectible. There are people that want it. It's worth what it's worth. It's good to have hobbies. I could sell it all if I wanted to, but realistically, it's still pretty insane and stupid.

You know, it is. It is a crazy one. I can respect it, but it is very crazy too. Yes, yes. That's probably fair for anyone that does any collecting is even if you're pretty into it. Keep it. Look, look through it with a realistic, realistic point of view to just real, just recognize that it's a little bit insane. Yeah. Yes, it is.

Anything else this week? Hmm. That Jackson thing has been on the list for a while. Yeah, we just yeah, just never. We keep getting distracted on it. We, I did mention the YouTube and so we're going to have, by the time this comes out, there'll be a Basically a walkthrough of the equipment used for our powerlifting and strongman

Event kind of I don't know if equipment walkthrough or just like equipment overview of like All the equipment that goes into running these events like what do we get? What did we bring there? What's the equipment situation? So check that video out on YouTube and then I think after that we're gonna get back to a couple A couple weeks of home gym tours again, that we're going to see more home gym tours popping up on our channel. Yeah. You can never really have too many home gym tours. Then we'll have some might be still probably two months. Plus some videos back in Masonics gym then here. Yeah.

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singles for reps, singles for reps. Yeah, I did singles for reps, some singles for reps tomorrow, just to, you know, keep the gears greased, but that's that's that's it so Was your heaviest squat of prep was 505? Yeah What was the heaviest bench she did was it the three three thirty three? Was it 335 or 340? I think it's 335. Okay, 35. Yep 335 that was pretty easy. Yeah. Yep. That was fairly easy. So that's Yeah, that's not a good serious heaviest deadlift

Well, I mean that's the biggest mystery because like two months ago two and a half months ago I pulled five of five for a double that road block that little tweak really sent me back on deadlift So then in the final month leading up my heaviest deadlift was 475 that moved quite well So that's more Ellen's more of just the guessing game and like hey This this prep was not ideal, but we're gonna kind of have to send it So what do you think your opener deadlift will be um? I think my opener will probably be, and Juggernaut will probably tell me,

I haven't looked ahead because I just don't need to think about that many things yet, but I'm thinking my opener is probably gonna be like in that 465-ish range. Okay. What about your opener for bench? I think in my bench opener, again, Juggernaut's gonna have ideas.

I'm thinking my bench opener is probably gonna be like 325-ish. Yeah, that's what i was like it probably won't be that much lighter and i'm pretty sure my second attempt will be i mean the in my mind it's gonna be greater on 340 my second attempt so that's your second attempt should be a meat pr that should be because last year my second attempt was like three or yeah like 332 or 333 whatever that is um now, I mean, in prep I hit 335 like four different times. I mean, I hit it for a double. I've hit it for a single multiple times. And every time it felt very, very good. So to me, that just feels like that's very. And that 335 looked really easy. Yeah, yeah, I felt very good.

So that's why I feel pretty comfortable. I think my bench should be like, yeah, right on 340-ish, I felt very good. So that's why I feel pretty comfortable I think my bench should be like yeah right on 340 ish second attempt. Yeah, and then like 350 and third attempt or something right? Yeah, just depending on how that second one goes if it's slowing down then yeah Like we'll just chip it. Otherwise, if it's going good, we'll send it a little more And what do you think your opener squat will be the um, this is? I would guess my opener would be around Like 475 ish, okay So do you think your second would be about 500 then?

I yeah, I think right around 500 ish and then third attempt depending how that goes in here between 510 and 525 yeah 510 to 520 probably on third attempt right right Yeah, so it'll be a bench PR, very likely. Yeah, should be. Yeah. What's your best total, then? My best total is like 1420, 1413, something like that. Low 1400.

And I really thought I really, the way training was going. You could have made a run at that. I really thought I was going to be making a run at that. I thought for sure, because my bench. Because if your dead training was going to made a run up I really thought I was gonna be making a run at that I thought for sure because my dad's deadlift was gonna be 540 Yeah, which was it was projecting to be right there. My bench actually was projecting it was going my best set I had that that day where I did 305 for six on bench and it just moved so easy It was like an RP seven day and like that was like showing your one rep maxes between like 360 and 380 on bench. So like that one, I mean,

that was really pad the numbers there. Then squat was right on track. Like I remember the day I hurt my back, Juggernaut had, you know, I heard it warming up. I wasn't even at my number yet, but it was an RP 10 day and Juggernaut had, it was like 455 for a set of three or four. I can't remember it. And I remember being mad. I'm like, 455. I like, so was so mentally ready to

like be repping out 475 that day. I'm like, no, I'm pushing this number. Like I got like, I was feeling so confident and so ready to go. So yeah, the numbers the last two months definitely took a backseat to where they to where they were headed but right just come back stronger right can't hold anything so what do you think after the meat what are you gonna do are you gonna start juggernaut oh my plan right will be the first week you know after the means just basically do nothing I mean like go in the gym and just like move weight is all for reps, but mostly, but reps. And then I don't know. I mean, I might just start a bridge block the second week because a bridge block to me is so

different than I don't even I'm trying to remember. I don't even know. You might not even do just straight up back squats on a bridge block. It might want to be like front squats and pause squat. I can't even remember now. It just to me, I remember doing bridge a bridge block last year and thinking like am I doing crossfit right now like Everything's on a time. I'm just like burning through stuff It's really hard and I think that is definitely the change of pace that's needed after prepping for a meet, right? Yeah, cuz I've been I've been on juggernaut in it. I've it I've been Peeking toward like the end of my block is also this Saturday.

So then I'm I'm actually excited for that to be over because I'm going to go think to hypertrophy block, you know, I'm going to switch figure out whatever I'll probably just run it as long as possibly can. But I'm going to go to hypertrophy and my primary squat movements already know what I'm going to do. But I'm gonna go to a hypertrophy and my primary squat movements already know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna do front squat and pendulum squat since you have the pendulum squat machine and that's gonna be those are the primary to squat and Then I just have to figure out what the variations You know what variations I'm on deadlift

I'm probably gonna do deficit deadlift because I haven't done deficit for a really long time So I want to do those again. And then on bench, I got to figure something out too. I might go wild and use the tsunami bar. Oh, yeah. Okay. That is just just to go complete. Just do something. Bench is the one that's hard to me.

Hard. The hardest one to like do something that's a variation because it's like, you're just like doing pauses are really wide ones or spoto press. And it's like, it's never that different. Some of those aggravate me too. I'm not saying mentally aggravate me, but they just like, I have to pick variations of things that won't aggravate me as much.

Yep. So that's why I'm like, some of the really wide ones, I don't really like that. Some of the feed up, I don't really like it as well. I do not like feed up either. Yeah, so I gotta figure out something else different there. I was thinking I deficit on deadlift is a good one I should probably look at that. I I do feel like Pause and halting deadlifts, they suck really bad. They do sucker but halting especially halting

thing does like actually the worst It just makes you really good you're going to die. They're really good for forcing your position though. Well that's what I was going to say is because my thing with deadlift is I just feel so ungodly uncomfortable in the position all the time. I never feel like I'm in a good spot.

That I do remember the last I can't remember if it was in the bridge block or hypertrophy block. there was an extended block of doing halting deadlifts and then into pause deadlifts where it forces you to be in that one position that I hate to be in, you know, kind of like below the knee. Yeah, that you can't get out of it.

And then when I get to regular deadlifts, I'm like, oh, this actually feels, I feel just very comfortable here all of a sudden. Right. So that's something that I might think about. And then partner is like, maybe I'll also just get a trap bar and just not do regular deadlifts for like four months or so, three months.

That wouldn't be a bad plan either. That would be the time to not do it. And I also, I was thinking back, as good as my training, in my opinion, actually was going. I mean, I was on track for like all time sets, you know, and I was right there. When I look back on the year, it was actually kind of a bad year of training

in general for me. I don't know if you remember after the meet, I was for real sick for almost three months, you know, like I'm pretty sure I had COVID. I definitely had mono. And when I got the mono, when I had mono, like you're not supposed to, cause I forget if it's blood clots or whatever it is,

you're not really supposed to lift heavy. So I didn't really lift heavy at all for four weeks. I was basically just doing like pushups and stuff. And my first actual like bench session outside of like all plates basically was when we went to North Carolina and we lifted at Thompson, Jen Thompson's. Jen Thompson's yeah. And that was the end of October.

So like the meat got done and I had like, okay, three, maybe four weeks of a bridge block. And then I was basically out until almost November. Right. And then it was like, yep, November, December. And then we had from January to March between the Arnold California Jugees again, I kept just getting like a on like, I just like so beat. It was like an RP 10 week.

And I'm like, I'm so beat up from like traveling and sleep being messed up and all this. And like I kept having to kind of do the like these restarts. And it wasn't anything to do with the program. I mean, it was just all me and like my life circumstances. And I actually do what I look back and like, it actually wasn't that good of a year of training for me. And I still made pretty good progress in general actually

Very good all things considered done to you So then if you could have a year where it doesn't do that. I know I could yeah Like this would be the thing. It's like oh, yeah at the ripe age of 36 now if I can just piece it all together I also had a bad year of training. It goes without saying. For my training. Just say when did you? What's that? I I tore my ACL. I had surgery at the end of October. Okay. Oh, yeah. I was right after we left you. Geez. Yeah. So I was just

recovering from my sickness. Then. Oh, yeah, I was right after we left you geez Yeah, so I was just recovering from my sickness. Yeah, then you got knocked down. I had prior to that I had dislocated my ankle quite severely Were you sick or something too? Yes, I was the ankle. I dislocated my ankle but Was fairly severe. I was yeah that was basically brutal. I mean I'd got Mostly just gotten pretty much back a hundred percent I mean I'd got Mostly just gotten pretty much back a hundred percent What leg was the ankle on the same? Oh as the ACL really? Yeah. Yeah, so that leg had a really tough year

Say having sort of a tough year just take it's time to Subsequently possibly my right hip is just like a little Gassed also so but that just comes I mean that's not that unusual though, right? No, it's not unusual at all But I think it's probably a little bit of a factor of like walking oddly for having to favor it a little more But it's getting better all the time like I'm yeah actually okay So yeah, we haven't had a knee update in a while like it is still making sitting progress It's still is just up and down and up and down and it's Definitely not perfect. Like it's like the question at physical therapy like oh does it feel normal and I'm like not normal That is not even close to the word

I would use to describe the way like I'm excited for the day when I wake up and I'm like I Can't tell which knee is which like there's not a moment in time that I the other one you do say it feels normal though. Yeah, it's normal completely. I mean, it's been normal for years. Yeah, like, so it will get there. But I'm like, it is not even close to normal right now where I'm like, no, if I sit down for too long, I like when I get up from this, you feel it, it's Oh, it'll be my first few steps.

It will. I will look like I'm 100 years old. You know, like it's like. But that being said, like last night, I was out. You know, I'm working on like running. Yeah. Being able to run because like every step of a run is a fall. So you're it's basically like catching yourself repeatedly, which is the kind of part of the weird thing about it. And what's really hard about running is slowing yourself down. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because then like

putting the brakes on. Yeah. Like there's a few things. So like putting the brakes on when you're running, that's a really big back to I'll say back to sport test is like when you can do that well, like you're getting close to back to sport. Jumping. Vertically, two footed, you can really cheat it. Oh, like jumping vertically to with two feet, you can really, really cheat big time. It's not a great test. Jumping vertically with your off foot is a much better test, but really what's going lateral lateral jumps on your foot is like one of the number one tests of back to readiness because There's something about jumping vert even vertically with one foot You can just like I don't even know like you can game your body

You just use like all these other parts to like still make the movement but there's something about like Side to side There's nothing else like it's like nope if that's not ready to do it you Literally can't do it. It's still funny some of the stuff that I'm like, okay This is what I want to do and I'll stand there and be like god. I can't even make myself try it So I have to go on the other leg and be like, wait, this is easy. I just do that.

And then I go to it and it's like, uh, uh, you know, just like forcing yourself to get in the pattern of being able to do stuff. And it's all. I'm making it sound bad, but it's all making progress. It's just really, really slow. It's just challenging. It's just challenging progress. Yeah, but I honestly feel like in about three to six months from now, somewhere in there, it's will,

you know, probably turn another pretty big corner like I'm not that far. That's enough time for most people to quit going to the gym three times. To start and stop going to the gym at least three times. My lifting is going OK. Yeah, it seems like that's not holding it back a ton. No, I haven't. I've squatted a little less than 400 pounds. I haven't tried 400 pounds yet.

I mean, I could probably try it right now. It's just not quite there. Like, I won't be long and I'll probably to do that. I bench 375. Whatever it would have been the same day probably that you bench 335 because I'm on on the program and I did 375 my bench had been going pretty well for a while then for a while my god everything just is not clicking again all of a sudden.

And then last couple weeks, like when I did that 375, that actually went way easier than what I had thought it was going to the couple weeks leading up to that. So then I was like optimistic. I'm like, well, I wanted to be able to do 400 by about meet time. And a few months ago, I had realized that's not where I'm gonna be.

And then I'm like, God, how far under 400 am I going to be? And now I can tell I'm not that far. I just needed. I literally just need like three more months. I know. You know, yeah, that's like just like what you're talking about, where it's like, God, if I could just piece together six good months off. It actually is crazy. It will be. It is actually crazy if you can put together six good months, the amount of strength you can actually gain is

shocking. Talking about the age thing, a really good perspective point is we talk about them a lot. But Larry legend going into this meet here. He is now 47 or 48 years old. He's been lifting strength training like a power lifter for 25 to 30 years. I mean, never not going to the gym four to five to six days a week in almost 30 years. He's competed in probably 25 power lifting. Did USPL meets single ply for years back in the days? Yes. And he is going to, I would bet some money on it going to set an all-time PR total

At the lift hard the VZ classic that were you know, they just finished up here when he's going to set PRS across the board He might set PRS in every lift Actually, he's going to squat over 600 pounds for the first time I believe he's gonna deadlift over 600 pounds for the first time. I believe he's gonna deadlift over 600 pounds for the first time and His bench PR is really close to 400. I'll be right there. Yeah He might set a PR on it. He could Has he been running juggernaut for this meet? Yes. Yeah, okay juggernaut works really well for him does he does every every year. It's like three years now Larry. And juggernaut works really well for him. It does. He does every every year. It's like three years now. Larry's running juggernaut.

Meet PR. He is the ultimate should be the ultimate spokesman for the efficacy of juggernaut AI. A guy that is just like beat his head against the wall years on end trying to get lifts to move and and not and like making progress like he didn't make progress for all you know several years there for a While and it's not like he was going backwards. He was just like no just for years It was like yep, Larry's bench is gonna be like 360 to 380. Yeah, he's gonna deadlift around like 575 yeah, and he's gonna squat squat 75 to 580 like that Those are just Larry's numbers every year no matter what yep, and now So it does give me hope though too when I watch it. I'm like

What too old I don't know what how so like he's ten years older and kind of been lifting And it's also not like we've had people come to the gym That are that age that just haven't lifted for a long progress. made progress. And I'm like, that's not his case. Yeah. Oh, like at no point in that period of time was there ever, I would guess, more than like a month stretch where Larry didn't go to the gym and rep out four plates on squat. Like, that's just what he does.

He shows up and puts four plates on. Like he did, you know, like it was never like, oh, yeah, I know he really fell off. He was always there. It just, it's just the baseline was just stuck. It just didn't move. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of thinking about that the other day where I remember there was definitely a time where not too long after so

would have been that last meet in Sioux falls like 2018 or 19 whenever that was, you know, and it was a 14 yeah, like 14, whatever, for that total. Right. And then like a year later after I was kind of hurt and stuff thinking like yeah Definitely definitely will never get back there like I'm right at the rate. This is going I'll be in my 30s There's no way I'm gonna hang with what I could do, you know in my late 20s Like there's no way and now I have a different I mean, yeah Maybe I never will but like now I also have this different sense of like Oh, I could also very easily see myself

Hitting all-time PRs like I don't think all-time PRs are gone from me. Like I don't know it requires Like the bare minimum is staying healthy for a long stretch of time That's like the no then then on top of that you have to put in the work between training Oh, yeah diet nutrition, recovery, all that stuff, but the bare minimum it requires is being healthy for long enough. Yep, and that's the challenge. That is the challenge.

Yes, yes. But I was thinking, this was literally my thought press. I'm like, well, but okay, what do I have going in favor? I'm like, well, my programming is the best it's ever been, hands down, thanks, Jogger. Like my diet is just the best it's ever been. Hands down. Thanks, Jogger. Like, my diet is just the best it's ever been. Not even comparable. That's MacroFactor.

That's MacroFactor. Use code Macronomics. Yes, and like that is, and we'll actually, because in like two weeks, it'll be a year of me doing MacroFactor. So we'll actually have that about an episode. But like that's not even comparable. That's such just a different game there.

And then also, a lot of the time, my recovery is so much more on point because I'm not on Thursday nights going out to the bar and eating wings and getting a few beers, and then Friday night staying out till 3 in the morning, and then also Saturday night staying out till 3 in the morning, and then feeling like crap on Sunday and Monday, and then trying to get my lifting till three in the morning and then feeling like crap on Sunday and Monday and then

trying to like get my lifting done like in three days in a row so I can go out the next week and do it like Grant I'm basically the three biggest Yeah Programming diet and recovery are all the best they've ever been and I'm like, well, yeah actually it doesn't make sense that things should go better Yeah Yeah, and like your kids are getting old enough. Yes. That's actually like here, uh, even compared to a year ago, a year ago at this time leading into the meat still was having nights of like weeks where there'd be multiple nights of very bad sleep. Right. And for the most part now that doesn't

really happen. Like that's what that is., and that's what you just need it to be rare. You know, it's like, yeah, you have one bad night's sleep. It's like when it happens multiple nights in a week, that's when your recovery really suffers. If it randomly happens here or there, you can like, get through that. Yeah, he was just like, oh, that's not sucked, but okay, whatever. Yeah. I mean, that's actually that, that 335 bench, I wasn't going to do it that day because it

was one of those rare nights where I was a very bad, I'm like, ah. Get through like. It's like the thing where I'm like, ah, if I can't turn it on for one set, come on. Give me some caffeine and I can get through a day. And that was, and that's kind of the mental booster. It's like, ah, if I go into this, like kind of not feeling the best and I still smoked it,

it's like, okay, if I'm just feeling a little better, that should be, but yeah, yeah, that's's having having the kid thing more work on your just being in your favor is a big difference. Yeah. So that's kind of the training update. Yeah. That's the deepest training update we've gotten into for a while. Well, next week will be a deep training update.

That's true. A gap. So see, we'll see what happens when the rubber actually hit the road. There will not be any time left for holding back this week. No, there is not. All right. Let's, uh, bring this one on home. Johnny Tommy, where do they find you out?

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