Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 491: Peloton Bike - The Best Home Gym Cardio Machine?

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

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But to just kick us off, I almost had to delay the podcast recording tonight because I was trying to listen to Tommy on a different podcast. He was on the Do You Even Liftboro podcast, and I wanted to listen to it today. So I could talk about it on this episode, and I'm still not done with it. Quite a bit left to go, actually.

Oh, quite a bit. Jeez. Yeah, I got at least 30 minutes left. Well, to be fair, I did extend the episode out on them quite a bit, you know, from their normal length. I don't know who the hell these people are. I think they're doing these podcasts that are like almost two hours long. Who the hell's got time to listen to a two-hour podcast? Who the hell's got time to listen to that?

I remember when podcasts were 10 minutes and people liked it. I remember when I was only entertained by media that was 15. seconds are shorter and Instagram didn't have 60 second and longer videos. My attention span was never, I remember when vines were the popular. How was just a vine guy?

Eight second. I remember when eight seconds was enough time to get your point across. And if you had more than eight seconds worth, worth the things to say it wasn't worth saying. Exactly. That's what I remember. Now people are recording two-hour podcasts. What the hell is a podcast?

Where it doesn't stop. I do remember when I didn't really know what a podcast was. It seems like a crazy, absolute insane thing to say right now, but I actually remember at work we were in like, I was in this like young, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that works at a place like this knows what I'm talking about,

this young person thing. Hey, you're into the age of 60. Yeah. Let's put you guys in a group together to make you feel validated. And where you do these made up projects where the points don't matter and neither do the projects because nothing of it ever gets implemented in any way. Like, oh, it's cute.

They tried some ideas. And someone suggested that one of the ideas was that there was a would be a podcast for the company. And I'm like, the frick are you talking about? Like, what do you mean? You just talk? Where do you even get this? Like, who's listening to this?

I vividly remember that. And maybe it's because I later, not that many years later, you know, we started a podcast. so I was like always considered that thought, but you were the enemy of podcasts. It was probably like 15 years ago now at this point, you know, because I was pretty fresh and it was probably about 15 years ago. So maybe this is around 2010 or 2011. To be fair, 2010 was pretty, I mean, I didn't know what a podcast was in 2010.

That was, that would have been early. Yeah, I don't think I knew what podcasts were until probably like 2013 or 14 maybe. No, and Keith's bringing up a different thing. That's a story for another time. We've probably told that too recently. Talking about the shoe, the shoe business. That was a business school project that we,

what would be a nice word of saying cheated? Finesced. What would be a word, a synonym for cheated that doesn't make me sound so bad? I like finessed. We finessed our way through the creative. finessed our way through that project and did really, really well on it. That's how you do it.

But we've told that story before. But the Do You Even Lift Bro podcast, you were on with Big Mike and Big Kyle. And so far, I'm liking what I'm hearing. I like their podcast anyways. So then, of course, when you get on to talk about Massonomics, it only makes it better. Yeah, it was fun. We got to talk to Jim Equipment. We got to talk Masonomics.

I mean, can you think of a better way to spend an evening? there isn't one there isn't one and it's like you're like i don't get to do this enough every week i need to do this for another two hours i just did this 20 hours ago i like sign me up let's go yeah and a lot of good talk on there uh you know you talking about your home gym journey you know your last two years 18 months whatever 24 months whatever it's been into your home gym journey and then also a lot of good Massonomics talk as related to certified training facilities, gym tours that we're doing,

and just our involvement in home gym con and the greater home gym community in general, right? Yeah. Yeah, as far as the community, I mean, you and I have talked about this offline. As far as the community goes, I mean, I don't, it sounds like we're bragging here, and I guess maybe we are,

but I just feel like there's very few people that spotlight the community as much as we do. I would agree. um do you have this in there in here as a topic the thing that you're making me want to talk about next by what you said right there no no i don't is that what you're leading me into because that really makes me want to talk about that i'm not actually because i don't know that it's a rant but i would i where is that in here i don't even know if it is in here i'm pretty oh yeah it's uh oh yeah yeah okay do we wanted to

discuss that or is that uh i don't care okay yeah let's discuss that because it's fun and it's interesting and this isn't before we even get started here this isn't directed at any one person we're just talking general sentiment yeah and uh it has nothing to do with like just i mean we're literally talking about being on the do you even lift pro pot it has nothing to do with kail or mike or anything no no no no no no no not at all actually i'm to even just be even more specific of i love both those those two guys are awesome and uh and they actually and they actually do talk about us a lot so And I really do, before we get into that, I do actually just really like their podcast.

I don't know if it's something about those two together. You know, they're very positive. And Kyle is like really upbeat. And that's just what he's like. It's not like he's doing a character. No, no. Like that's just his personality. And there is something about listening to people that have a positive take on stuff that you're like,

all right. I think I feel good too. It's fun to listen to people that are excited. about things you know yeah so that being said let me be uh do the opposite not really though actually i'm dancing around it it's not really that negative but there is this weird thing um we're very close to it the closest to it possible so maybe are maybe i'll say my perception of it is skewed somehow and listeners can we probably are we probably are yeah but maybe we're a little jaded on it actually is what uh maybe that's the word you'd use here is that we're a little bit

it jaded on it possibly too but I do think there's a thing like we talk our content has been way more about the home gym community within the last couple years obviously you know we've been to home gym con now twice done several videos there we've done literally more gym tours over this

course of time than anyone else more gym tours than anyone else ever has actually basically yeah yeah what were you going to say oh I was going to say you did just I wasn't going to interrupt you because I didn't want to get you off your train of thought. And now I can't remember what I was going to say. You're talking about home gym tours.

And just like a shift of our content. Oh, yes. That is an important point I think to make too. This Mike, you know, Mike brought this up on the podcast. He said, you know, was this like a concentrated effort to be like, oh, no, we're going to do home gym stuff now? And I honestly never really thought about it until he asked that question where it was literally, I mean, like I said in the podcast, you've been buying and selling equipment,

looking at stuff since what? The gym started in 2015. And there'd be whole, I mean, there'd be weeks where you're like, oh, I'm looking at this piece. I think I'm going to get this. And, you know, you'd talk about the details with me. And I wasn't as informed because I wasn't the one researching and buying the stuff. But it's funny to think that all those years in the gym where we would be talking about equipment and the wish list items and what would be cool to get, we were always having those

conversations. And it was kind of always like, yeah, like you would briefly, every like, I don't know, maybe every couple months, I feel like you would talk about, uh, I'm going to get this for the gym. or I just purchased this and we'd say a little bit about it. But for the most part, those conversations happened offline. And it's funny to think, like, a lot of what we were talking about now, instead of just doing it all offline,

we just do it on the podcast now regarding equipment and things like that. Right, right. So, yeah, what you're saying is, right, we've always been talking about that stuff. And even another one I was thinking about, too, is, I mean, even as far as, like, Coop goes, you know, he's kind of the pinnacle. I mean, he came to Massonomics Gym in 2019. And that was, and that was, at that point, we had had had several years of communication with him, you know?

Right. So it's like, oh, no, we've been going, even talking back and forth with Coop, who is like the OG in the space. You know, like, we've been talking. Before he was even, I mean, not, what's the hipster thing? Since before they were popular. Oh, I mean, it was before garage gym reviews was popular. I remember, didn't he repost a picture of the original gym in 2015 on?

I think so. And like, you know, our deadlift platform thing, he always liked, you know, and that was 2016 that we had that video. So it's also funny to think about, like, we've, viralish. Not that we've had like this close relationship, but we've had communication with Coup for almost 10 years now, which is also a funny thing to think about. Right.

So to preface it one more time, I would say simultaneously I also feel that we're very well supported by the community in some ways. And what I'm talking about is like this home gym community and kind of like almost like the home gym influencer community. And maybe just like some of the really hardcore people in there. What I'm going to say is, and you just, I don't even know, correct me if this is not the right way to say it or if I'm not making sense. But I feel like we're sometimes not, I think people think of us as outsiders to it a lot.

Right. Because we're not, and we've talked about this offline, because we're not exclusively a home gym company that people think it's like, oh, they just like kind of, they do this other weird shit, which is whatever. And then they sort of dabble in the home gym space. that's right that's a good way of saying it they think we dabble in it and like we talk about it we're like dude

and this again is not calling any single one person out but it's like we create what I would say we they think we dabble in it we create more content specifically related to that market than almost anyone else

I would say the only person that makes more home gym content than us is Coop and I would hope so they have a team of like 20 people like they got to do something over there so I would also say but as far as that

actual community goes like the community of home gym lifters almost nobody does a job of spotlighting that community specifically better than us and i mean that through our certified training facility flying around the country driving all over doing host you know going to people's houses hosting their home gym tours which we love it's so much fun to do we do a certified training facility of the week every week on the podcast we have a certified training facility map where it's connecting all of these people. I mean, we have a whole other, you know, thread on our discord where it's just people basically talking home gym stuff all the time. Yeah. I mean, you and I have this conversation a ton of times. And that's like the key's comment in there. And this, this is, I mean,

this goes back to it. Since not all of our content is gym tours or reviews, then we get, you know, then it's like we're the outsiders. But because we are doing so much content in the form of podcast, YouTube, Instagram, two posts a day. everything that we do. We have more home gym content than basically almost anyone. But it's also that we, you know, we're making. We also do more content than almost anyone on top of that, too. We're making equipment that people use in a home gym, drink spotters.

You know, we're marketing. Yeah, drink spotters. For the home gym. Yeah, drink spotters, horse stall grippers. We got flags and banners that people deck out their home gyms. But, yeah, we've talked about this. too. I think it's also because we're not chasing like the new just random pieces of equipment that come up. That's kind of Jake's comment. You know, you're not review, you know, we're not just

because at the end of the day, like we're only going after we, there's, the space is big and we only go after stuff that we think looks interesting. Like we're not going after something just because it's new. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like I like watching, I mean, I watch tons of videos of the guys that are reviewing all the new stuff because I like to see what's coming out. But we're not playing that game, which is exclusively reviews. And I think sometimes people think of like the home gym content game is reviews and reviews only.

And like if you're not playing the review game or the strictly equipment game, like you're not in the game. And I'm like, dude, to me the whole thing is the community. Like it's not. It's the people. And that's where we're better than any. Nobody does that like us.

Literally nobody does that spotlight the community like us. Like that's the whole, that is our home gym tour tour formula. is spotlighting, yeah, the people. And that's what's cool about home gyms as you go into it. Like, yeah, it's sweet to go into a home gym where someone's dropped a ton of money.

But you know, it's also really cool to go into a home gym where someone hasn't dropped a ton of money but has also came up with really cool creative ways to hack things together, make things, customize them to be their own. And that's the thing you only get from going to people's gyms in the community

and seeing that stuff. Like, that doesn't come from online reviews or online, right, you know, know, articles of buy this with this affiliate link and that whole thing. And when we say that's not like aimed at anyone in particular, that's really true because what I would say, what I could aim at some people in particular is that we are really well supported by some people. I would also argue like outside of, I don't think this is crazy either.

Outside of garage and reviews, I don't know if anyone has more supporters than us. And I'm not saying like just from an online followers point, I'm saying like real supporters like if you say you're going to host an event in South Dakota, how many people are going to show up and or like if you're just going to drop into this part of the country how many people are going to like welcome you into their home to see their gym and all that and um people have been so gracious and so accommodating and also like so willing to come do meetups with us yeah and there's just a fact of matters there's not a lot of people that could have a community a base that would want to be a part of that and a ton of the hardcore home gym people even like the other people

that are producing content or making equipment and stuff like that are literally supporting members of Massonomics. Yes. You know, we talked about Kyle. He obviously is, I mean, I'm not even going to name people because there is literally There's a good chance if you watch someone's video or Instagram, they probably are. To name Jake, he runs home gym con. He is a supporting member.

You know, like so we are, I don't want to, that's why it's not about anyone specifically because what I can name is specifically the people that do support us and there is a ton of them, which is, and it's not even support. That's a weird, weird. It's what you said. It's like, that it's like, oh, those guys are not quite like, those guys aren't quite like, they're not doing our thing. Well, that's what I think it is just at the end of the people.

Gluck is a supporting member. You know, like people, a lot of it, Brandon is. Most people that you think of that produce content are probably a supporting member. Like that's not an exaggeration. Like it's, it's the truth, which is awesome, which makes this conversation so funny. But I think what we're trying to verbalize is that sometimes we get the perception online that massonomics is like maybe like a meme company that also happens to sometimes dabble in the home gym space right i'd be like i don't know but i actually sheer amount of time

we probably do spend more time on the the gym home gym community people with i mean between supporting our supporting members so herdified training facilities a gym tour almost every week like we have hours of content damn near every week that's just showcasing people and i love it i'm so glad we get to do it. Like, it's so awesome. I'm glad we're not reviewing like 10,000 different variations of a functional trainer every week. I would lose my freaking mind if that's what our channel was. And I'm glad there's other people that are doing that so that we don't have to do that. Yeah, there is definitely a market for that or like it's, it's good that some people are doing that. It is. It is. And I watch those videos. I watch those videos silently. Like I'm not leaving comments or anything, but I watch them and I see

what's going on. But I'm glad we're not like buying functional trainers for the gym and and from what I'm just glad we're not playing that game. Like, I love the little niche we've carved out for ourselves in this home gym slash strength space. I probably, this happens to me a lot and a lot of things. Even maybe I make up the, maybe it's just a fictitious, I'll use the word enemy because I can't think of a better word. But I make up this fictitious, yeah, then I have a chip on my shoulder about. So then that drives me to want to do stuff, you know, because I'm like, nope, we have to prove it to. to this pretend person that, you know, this avatar that I've designed of this person in my head

that doesn't think we are. Oh, I, 100%. I mean, that's, well, everyone does that, though. We'll show them. Everyone does that, though, with whether it's the gym or business or work obligations. Like, it's always a thing. Right. That's kind of part of the fun of it, probably, too.

Oh, it is. It keeps you going. I have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder here. We'll show them. Then we'll see what. up. I'm not sure who it is we're showing, but they're going to see them. They'll find out.

And they'll know. I don't know exactly. Okay. So that was the be in the bonnet segment. Not even really be in the bonnet, but just more just like a something that we've discussed before. Okay. You thirsty over there after all that ran and raven? Really thirsty.

We showed them, didn't we? Yeah. After showing him like that, I got to crack into the cold Kirkland lemon sparkling water. Oh, I got just the thing for an occasion like tonight. Oh, is that a Keith head coozy? That's a Keith head coozy, genuine. Can't just get those anywhere. that's good what's in there i didn't i miss that waterloo uh tropical

i think this is from big derrick out of uh this is a tropical fruit waterloo i'm pretty sure maybe i'm making this up i think this is from big big boston derrick from the lift hardly Viti Classic. I think. Maybe I'm making that up. It could be either way. Imported from Boston. You have to use your imagination

to where this is from. All right. What's the next topic this week? Let's see. You talked about the sumo versus conventional data. I actually, yeah, let's talk about that, actually. I think I took some screenshots.

I was pretty impressed here. Shout out to Big Kevin. Go check out his gym tour. on the Massonomics podcast. Kevin, a man of... Ray Hill Strong, Jim, R.S.G. That's right.

Kevin is a man of many things. And data crunching, number crunching, happens to be one of them. And I don't know if I... Okay, I'm going to try and give the Cliff Notes version of this because I just read the whole thing. I might have to actually read a lot of this. But Kevin went, there was some debate about...

How did this start, Tanner? I was paying attention to the Discord. There was some comments about sumo versus conventional being cheating and... Well, and I think there was some comments like someone hypothesized that I think all of the biggest deadlifts are sumo or conventional or whatever. The biggest deadlift for tested were conventional. Something, I can't remember. Someone might remember. There was just some,

just some people kind of saying some things about what would, what's the biggest deadlift of all time, you know, what stance favors this person and what stance favors this federation deadlift bars versus stiff bars versus super heavies versus natural versus whatever. I think deadlift bars favor sumo deadlifters even more. It was the general hypothesis. So that's,

yes. Okay. So I'm going to throw some facts and figures out here that Kevin, uh, did. Again, I haven't double-checked Kevin, but the way I know Kevin, these things don't need to be double-checked. He's dotted his eyes. It's good enough for NASA.

It's good enough for Massonomics. That's right. Okay, he took the top 10 deadlifts of all time in each weight class, and he added the top five IPF deadlifts for each weight class. If they weren't already in the top 10, you know, some weight classes don't match up exactly. So I had to do a, you know, a little combining there. But he tried to get the dad as close he could. Here are Kevin's interesting takes. there's been seven 1,000 poles all time, all on deadlift bars, all sumo.

And this isn't a powerlifting meet. We're not talking, you know, strong man, things like that. The top five are the same two guys across different weight classes and then two more. Dan Grigsby at 275, Colton, 275, Colton 308, Grigsby 242, Grigsby 308, Jamal Browner at 242, and, um, is it we're back? at 2.42. I think his name was like, you know, yeah, he was like a Polish IPF lifter, I think. So interesting there, all, all deadlift bars, all sumo poles, and none of them. Actually, Griggs being called both 308, but no super heavies in that group.

There's been eight deadlifts from 950 to 999, all deadlift bars, half sumo, half conventional. So there it's starting to even out a little more. And there's been 34 deadlift. deadlifts, 900 to 949 pounds. Three were on power bars and conventional. 20 were on deadlift bars and conventional. And 11 were on deadlift bars and sumo. So really what that tells you is that from 900 to 1,000 conventional is

slightly more common than sumo, which is interesting. Would you say it's interesting? Is it surprising? Well, I think what's surprising about the only reason that's surprising is because the top five all time are all, or top seven all time are all sumo. But then what, but then once you get down in the 900 to a thousand range,

it does favor conventional. But again, we're talking deadlift bars here though. And I don't actually, I can't even say that. I can't even say that. It's just interesting. I don't even know.

I don't have any strong, uh, strong thoughts on it. Uh, what else is the next part here? The best power bar sumo pull is 860. To me, maybe that's the more interesting.

thing is that the heaviest deadlifts of all time but actually now that i think about it more the best power bar deadlift is going to be in a tested fed so that also is going to take right you know that that can be the difference of 100 some pounds right there like that's i mean it's not always going to be but that that that is a factor um and then that we're becky so he pulled 860 and then he went on to pull a thousand five on a deadlift bar at 2.42 uh for all weight classes except super heavyweight the top 10 is dominated by deadlift bars. I don't think that's a huge surprise.

And Sumo dominates the top 10 for 220 and under for all bars. 242 is mostly Sumo for deadlift bars, but mostly conventional for power bars. Conventional is mostly 275 and 308 and all for super heavyweights for both bars. Yeah. Do you have any of the Jefferson deadlift data? Well, Massonomics. Just go to the website.

We're the record keepers of that. people can find that one. So what was Kevin's conclusion? What does this all mean? I don't know. I guess deadlift bars and being under 242 benefits sumer pullers more. That was his takeaway.

So is sumo cheating? I mean, I don't think it is. People like to say it. I don't think it is. It's in the rules. I mean, just by even a technicality,

it's not cheating. It's literally in the rules that it's allowed. I also believe firmly, I've said this before, anyone that could do more, sumo, does it? Oh, yeah.

So literally if you're pulling, and conventional, it means you can't do more sumo. Yeah. Right. Oh, if I could pull more. I mean, is that a universal statement? If sumo felt better and I could pull more, I'd do it, why wouldn't I? Why would I intentionally do the lift that feels worse for honor? Honor that no one really cares about. Nobody does that though.

Like, not a single person, right? No. You might not be able to do sumo because it makes you injury prone. You just can't get in position. Your leverages aren't as good for it, whatever it is. But if you can do it and you can do it more, you're doing it, right? that's what seems to be the case of my experience.

Yeah. Like you're for sure doing it if you, if you can. And if you're a power lifter. I guess that's the, you know, if your goal is to deadlift the most amount of weight possible in a power lifting meet, then you're doing that. And that's what you do. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Sumo versus conventional data. You heard it here first. Well, you probably heard another place too, but you heard it here also. You heard it here also. You heard it here. also doesn't have quite the same ring to it but maybe we could maybe we get some going there

uh do we want to do supporting our supporting members this week i think so okay and i have a certified training facility of the week oh okay make it easy no need for you to pick out one i've got i'm stressing that's the toughest part of my entire week i've got one for i've got one for us this week as a matter of fact i've got a special little certified training facility of the week but before that supporting our supporting members it's a relatively new segment to the podcast i mean relatively right yeah it's all everything's relative is that what they meant by theory of relativity is that the supporting our supporting members is a relatively new segment they were referencing a podcast segment that would appear in a future timeline yes so it is relatively new um it's a segment

where we like to give back to those that support us We like to give back to those that support us in many ways. Probably the number one way is we've created this community that you really get to be a big part of if you become a supporting member. You get to be a part of that community through the Discord, through things like the Greasey old pre-show. There was 40, 50 members watching along, chatting, having fun while we, not recorded while we had hosted the pre-show.

It's unrecorded, on record. on cut so it wasn't recorded but I don't know how else do people get on the community they come to our events like Crew Falls which we're hosting later this winter they come to the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic and basically everyone that's in on that and having fun

and participating is a supporting member yeah basically you also get more minor things like a discount code early access to drops the inside hookup on where to meet up at the Arnold home gym con places like that Yep.

But the number one thing, at least as of right now, huge news. Stop whatever you're doing. Listen closely to this. We have ordered the primary portion of this next mailer that will be going out to all supporting members. But the good news is we did order a few extra. We've got some. So if you want to get signed up before the line in the sand, which we're not setting the line in the sand this week, right?

No, not this week, but it's, I mean, it's going to be soon. It'll be soon. The line in the sand will legitimately, we've been talking about this for a couple weeks now. I think maybe two, three weeks we've been mentioning we might have this mailer coming out. Big Hanson, it wasn't the mayor. There's supposed to be midsummer. It's been a busy summer, man. Come on.

I don't know if you know everything we got going on, but. It's been one week since you looked at me times like 10. It has been crazy as far as Massonomics. goes lately. I will say this. It is going to be worth the wait. It is now our early fall mailer. We had this big powerlifting meet this summer. I don't know people knew it. It took a lot of time. It's really good though. So my word from the wise is get signed up right now. This is going to be one of your last few warnings. The line in the sand is coming very soon. Tommy's sharpening his stick and he's about to drag it through the sand. It's a bad day to be

some sand you're going to get a line put through you and also if you're a current sporting member make sure to send me your address change if you've had an address change so this can get to you this is going to be freaking sweet now after seeing like the final proofs of what is going out this is freaking sweet it is going to be probably the coolest one that we've had and it's going to be the most engaging i think it's going to be the most engaging there's some luck involved you could say. Yeah, there's a, and it's not a scratch ticket again, if anyone's thinking that, I'll tell you right now, it's not that kind of luck, but it's going to be friggin' sweet. This week's supporting our supporting our supporting members, Big Cody and Big Scar took their reigning strongest couple

trophy on the road and competed in a lift run hang comp this weekend at Muscle Beach. It was a weightlifting meet plus a two-mile run. Big Jordan competed in and won his parking lot strong man competition with scant as the judge. Sounds like nepotism to me, but who are we to decide what the Canadians do up there? Hey, that's just playing the game. What do we call that, finessing the rules?

Yeah, yeah, that's a finesse of the rules. Fennessing the judge. Yes. Big Gary made a suggestion that we have a 30 crew under 30 list. I think that's a funny idea. Great suggestion. Actually, it's freaking, it's kind of like

what you talked about at work. You know, you got to keep the younger generation involved. Yes, our 30 crew under 30, highlighting, we could easily have that. Like, there's some cool stuff going on. Mm-hmm. That is pretty good. 30 under 30.

30 crew under 30. So maybe we'll do some more thinking on that. We could also do probably, well, a 40 in their 40s. That would be very easy. That would be an easier list of, hard to get it down to 40. I think we'd have trouble. Yeah, we'd have an easier time.

I'm filling the 40 under 40, then the 30 under 30. Yeah. Okay. Big Jake is now officially Pilates reformer instructor certified. Oh, damn. Yeah, so that's big news. Big kidney got silver in the javelin at the world transplant games. Oh, hell yeah.

What's, I mean, does that mean you've received an organ transplant? I think so, yeah. I think it's his kidney, presumably. I didn't know there was a thing for that. Big kidney, yeah. He also, I think, I've got like fifth in the discus. Damn, okay. Yeah, Big Jordan.

What was the details on this? I had this wrong. I want to double check now. Let me check live because I think it was just, he posted something in here tonight. What? Big Jordan got 10th at Natural Strongman Worlds. I got that right.

He competed at Natural Strongman Worlds. in Ireland this past weekend, finished 10th overall in the under 105 kilogram category, and took the event win on Axel deadlift for reps at 280 KG for a set of five. Okay, yeah. What six? That's over six bills. That's a six plus bill deadlift for five at U-105KG bot BW at U-105KGBW, am I right? Yeah, keep up, people.

Come on. Big Buzz was this week's guest on unpaid and underrated. Go give it a listen. Big Buzz as seen at such places as Home JimCon and the Arnold. Big Buzz. From Home Jim Con and the Arnold. Okay. Certified training facility of the week.

Yeah, hit me with this thing. I want to know. Actually, before you get to there, if people haven't checked it out lately, Tanner has done a little finessing of the map himself. He has fixed the map. So now anyone that has any Hall of Fame status. There's layers to this thing.

Literally there's layers. Yeah. So if you have a cup or a jacket, your icon appears above the top, which makes it really easy to see where the hotbeds in the country are. Tanner, have you noticed this? Yeah, it does.

There's very much a SoCal hotbed. There's kind of that upper New York area. You got a little bit on the East Coast down there. Obviously, the real heart of the Midwest is represented pretty well. Yeah. South Dakota. Yeah. You know, what I'm actually seeing is that the Northwest is really underrepresented up there

as far as Hall of Fame members. Yeah. Who will be the first? And we have had some Northwest traveler. You know, a lot of these people making moves. That's why I'm actually genuinely surprised because I figured there'd be a few from there. But, yeah, the opportunities open. for the taking.

So you said Hall of Fame members, did you also say that if you've had a gym tour, even if you're not a Hall of Fame member, you're still on the higher layer also? Yeah, I did not say that, but yeah, that is an important note as well. And on the certified training facility map,

we are now almost up to 350 certified training facilities and counting. And the more the, this almost goes without saying, but the more we get the cooler it is. I mean, it just keeps getting cooler. all the time and kind of adding

these little features here and there just add to it continuously. We're not just, this isn't a set it and forget it map. We're like trying to... It's a living, breathing thing. Yeah, it's an organism. And you know me, I love a good organism. Yes, you do. You've always said

that. Okay, so where are we taking you this week on the certified training facility of the week? Let us head to southwestern Tennessee. by the Memphis area. Are you familiar with Memphis?

Have you heard about this? Have you heard about Memphis? I have not seen it, but I've heard about it. I actually got to say, I was not that until thinking about it right now. I probably thought about it other times, but I wasn't really that aware of the geography of Tennessee that Memphis is so southwest corner.

You know, I've got to be full transparency here. I wasn't really aware of that either. Yeah. Not particularly relevant to anything that's going on here, but just something I noticed. Yeah. It's basically like a almost like Mississippi and Arkansas. It's like a little trying. I mean, they're right down there. Yeah. Yeah, it must. It's like the four corners. It is. Yeah. Is that Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah. You ever been to the four corners? That's what it is. I haven't been there. I've heard great things, though. Have you heard about this?

to four corners. Perpendicular lines, meeting, intersecting. Okay. We're going to go to very nice gym. Okay. I was wondering if you're going to say this. And I don't know that you need to look at the video as much as the pictures because you do have a video on there also, but we could just go to the pictures.

This is big Nate Verde. Very nice. His gym is very nice. So we want to start taking. taking a look at the pictures here and tell me what you see. Yeah, okay, I just did a quick look through here because I've never looked at this gym before. So this first, okay, it took me a second to realize this.

This is pretty cool. Does he have a, he's got a rack mounted, sorry, a wall mounted rack, which, okay, yeah, people have seen those, but he also has the platform. The pulley system platform. It's kind of like the hide-a-bed is or whatever that's called, you know? But he's got that for his rack. and for his platform.

It all flips up to the wall. That's cool. Yeah, that's kind of cool. And so it's a pulley mounted to the ceiling that attaches to the platform via a rope that you can, that it flips up like a head of bed or a Murphy bed, right? Murphy bed. Yeah, that's, I think, what it is. Yep, yep.

Yeah. So that folds up to the wall, which is cool. The next picture shows it all folded down. So he's got the, he's got the rack there. And then the plates mounted on the wall. wall. You can see the bench laying down. Obviously, he's got the certified training facility flag. The certificate and the license plate are there, too. So that set up, very compact, very set it and forget it. Get it out of way when you don't need it. I like that part

of it. And it's really close to the garage fridge. Yeah, actually, the garage fridge is right there. So you never got to worry about being thirsty when you're working out because you can just touch it. He's got a couple bars there. Blue Cerrocoat one. I don't know some bar from the top I can't tell what it is it's silver yeah it's got those kind of like those rubber band things on the collars so what kind of rack is that then

is that made to be a folding rack or did he I'm not sure I'm not super up on my folding rack it looks like Titan oh okay I was I say it looks like a two by three yeah because it folds like side to side it doesn't fold up like some of them do which is interesting too. Yes.

All right, so what do we got next? Okay, then we got this basically like a locker with a ton of stickers on it. Yep, that's cool. A bunch of crew stickers and stuff. I see a Jefferson Deadlift. Yeah, we got another photo of the rack here.

I think we covered all that. And then this piece here, Tanner. Is that a is it a Thomas Holly inch dumbbell? Is that what we're looking at here? That is. a 78 kilogram 172 pound holly Thomas inch dumbbell replica that he's got there and do you think that that seems odd in his gym with everything else that they stick out to you okay i got to ask though

look at the easy curl bar low leading in the corner of course yeah it's a corner there's going to be an easier curl bar stacked up in it okay i'm confused on my timeline here because i i kind of know what's taking place a little bit. So you acquired this replica. Okay, tell the story. Tell the story that to people first. Oh, a couple people reached out. Carp mentioned in the Discord to me that someone was in Tennessee was selling this

Holly Dumbbell. And then someone out randomly emailed also to the Get Big and said, hey, have you seen this marketplace deal for this? Yeah. You have these like network of people that are just like, I think. think I know a guy that would be interested in this. And the thing about it is that is not an easy, that shipped from the UK costs many hundreds of dollars.

It costs several hundred dollars to begin with just the price. But then getting that shipped to you is going to cost, you know, in excess of a thousand dollars. By the time it's landed. Yeah, you spent over a thousand dollars. That's the big boy. That's the full weight. That is the Thomas Inch replica right there.

And so I said, well, shoot. carp, are you close to this? You're a Tennessee man. He's like, well, it's actually like multiple hours from me. But some people said, Big Nate Verde. We got a guy. Not so far from him.

So if you haven't pieced it together right by now, that is my Thomas Dumbbell and his... Okay, and that's what... I assume this was yours, but where I'm confused is last week, didn't you say you wanted to do a gym? Was it this one or a different one? That was a different one. Oh, okay. That starts getting confused.

How many weeks has this been going on? No, that provided for a good setup on this actually, even, because I had to audible here. So we have another one we need to do next week. They don't have a Thomas inch dumbbell. So the Thomas Inch dumbbell has been hiding in the certified training facility map this whole time. He got it. He got it yesterday. So these are brand new pictures today.

Yeah. And I did want to hear, because we actually haven't talked about this yet. I just was following along on the Discord. When I saw this pop up, I'm like, dude, I hope it'd be so cool if Tanner can figure out a way for this to work. and I'm just watching it go down. It's like, yep, big Nate Verdey's hooking it up. And then pretty soon like, yeah, I think it's a done deal. And the pricing on it was pretty hot too, wasn't it?

It was $450, which I didn't even haggle because it's like, take it. That's about what the dumbbell costs if you were like right there in the UK and could just walk in and pay your, pay Euro cash. But we're in the UK over here. No, no. And, yeah, so. to be determined when and how I actually get this to Western Northeast South Dakota, but I have a feeling it'll happen at some point.

There's enough mules around the country that can move this thing. I'm not worried about that. That'll happen someday. I got nothing but time. It's actually getting this easy part, actually. This dumbbell in Tennessee. Yeah, it'll show up at some point. No one's worried about that.

Yeah, I'm not worried about that. We'll get it. But this was, so this was part of Big Nate's negotiation was getting a certified training facility of the week. and hiding this Thomas Hinch Dumbbell in plain sight right there. I got to say I talked to Nate when he picked it up and then he had a video of the guy. Oh, I also negotiated that if Nate could have picked it up,

he would have given me $50 off. But Nate did let me down and was not able to pick up the Thomas Inch dumbbell. Oh, you're saying like actually. No, like literally picked it up with his hand. It's confusing phrase. Yeah, sorry, sorry. If he could have lifted it, if he could have lifted it, I would have saved us $50, but he was not able to.

The guy he got it from has enormous hands. And he could do it? I assume he has been able to at times. I think he tried in the video and couldn't quite get it. But I'm saying his fingers were kind of long, but we're like if you tape two of my fingers together, that was each one of his. Okay, so why was there a video of the guy doing it, though?

I'm confused. Because Nate got a video when he was getting, they were messing around. You know, it's really, the timing on this is actually really funny because we just did the Massonomics gym tour this past week. That was our video. And in it, you do spend some time talking about the replica dumbbell. You lift it up and say, yeah, you know, I'm, it is on my list to get the full size one someday here, you know, for people. And not even a week after that video comes out, the full size has been acquired. Yeah, that was an easy buy for, that was a no, you know, sometimes things comes up and I have to just really debate. Is it worth it? You know,

Do I really want it? This was a, I want this and I want it now. And I have to make sure that we, you know, that I get it and that somebody else doesn't because I want it badly. I'm, although, which is funny, though, I pretty likely no one will be able to lift it. Well, that's what I really want to see this in the gym to see if anyone's going to be able to lift it. There's like 10 guys that can lift the one we have now really easily. And you think it's not that much more. You know, it's only.

How many more? This one, ours is about one. I think it weighs out in this one is 172. So it's about 30 pounds more, but 30 pounds on grip is a lot. It's a really big difference. 30 pounds one hand grip is a lot, yeah. Even percentage-wise, you can say it's 20% heavier, 20 to 25% heavier. I don't know. I'll be very curious.

I think there's only approximately maybe 100. I think the people say 100. From what I've seen, the numbers closer to 150 that have like definitively lifted. Thomas inch dumbbell before. That would be really... That doesn't mean that more people haven't been subjected

to one in their life. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, that would be really cool to have a couple really big guys at the gym that can do a lot of good grip stuff. And they got big hands too. You can't be just good at grip stuff.

You also kind of have to have big hands for this one. Right. I'll love to see some... I mean, feasibly it won't be me lifting it, but it'll be fun to have and fun to try and just to like know if someone does i feel like that you gotta get a picture on the wall of

massonomics if a picture of them holding it if they did it yeah if you can lift that one it's it means something maybe well we're gonna have a list actually that's gonna there's gonna be a thomas inch dumbbell list on the wall and if you lift it you get to put your name on it that's it that'd be really cool yeah that's gonna be a thing um yeah so someday that'll be here so if you're listening and you're planning on making any trip from the tennessee area west or north of any significance, we can get this relay started. Like the next person, let me look at my map again. If you're in that Tennessee area and say you're headed up to Kansas City, let me know.

We could get this thing to Kansas City. Say you're headed up to Chicago. That could be a big leg of the relay here. Basically, if you're heading any direction north, we got people. Like, that's actually not the problem is if you're heading north, there's tons of people that can meet you for the most part along interstate. probably. Yep. Could be home gym con 2026.

That's Big Nate is listening. He mentioned it. That could be a very potential thing, getting it to Louisville. Of course, we're not, we don't drive there. So someone's, you know, it still has to make a leg somehow. So the Arnold, if anyone's making their way towards the Arnold, when that comes around, you know, there's a lot of people moving at that point. That could be a way. Yeah, if it got up to say Indianapolis or Chicago or even honestly getting it

towards Ohio wouldn't be the worst thing either, just because there's a lot of people in that direction. And there's a lot of people that sweep east to west to us in that northern band of the country. Yeah. Colton asks, if you have a booth, wouldn't you drive? We will not be driving to home JimCon. Actually, we are going to work on the logistics

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I love that. I like Eric Helms. I want to get him on our podcast and he has never been able to get a hold of him. I really enjoyed that. And sometimes, you know, I'm a fan of table talk. Sometimes it gets, it can get a little repetitive with just the guests. talking about how much they lifted or whatever. Right, right.

And I think there's nothing wrong with that. Not every, not every episode is for you. You're saying you like certain episodes. Yeah, and sometimes, like, I feel like I've heard this story enough times, but his was really, really good. I really enjoyed listening to just his story, his experience and their, you know,

science-based research-based approach that they take to things. I enjoy that episode. I would recommend that one to people if they haven't been following in table talk lately. He's really well spoken. He's really articulate. He's also pretty funny. So he makes for a good listen on a podcast.

And has a ton of experience. I was going to say he's got a lot of experience. Right. I mean, from powerlifting to coaching to bodybuilding to scientific training and studies through multiple programs across different places in the world. I mean, the guy's done a lot of things. You can't deny that he's really devoted his life to,

the pursuit of strength in like the highest tier. Yeah, good call out, great episode. I agree. Should we kick out the live listeners before we get to the title topic? Oh, God, yes. Okay, thankfully. While we do that, I would just mention

just as we spoke, someone's supporting membership got canceled. So could you imagine canceling right before this mailers go out like that? That would be terrible timing. I'm going to imagine a worse thing to happen to anyone. Yeah, that would, there is no worse fate than canceling your subscription right about now. Or even, maybe even worse, you didn't intentionally cancel it.

Your credit card number expired and you didn't put in a new one. Yeah, that does happen. Are people just exiting the Zoom chat on their own willingly? Oh, God. Not a single person. Oh, yeah. Does, okay, so that's it on the Zoom call. Does anyone have anything to add?

Oh, thanks, everyone. Thanks. Oh, thanks. All right. They're all out of here. Really good meetings. Thanks, everyone. They're all out of here.

Thanks, everyone. All right. What is today? Oh, first of all. All right. This is a surprise title topic for Tanner. We're going to, the working title for now is going to be Tommy's home gym cardio. Hello.

All right, Tanner. I want, so we're going to start this. I want you to take a guess. I've recently acquired a piece of cardio for my home gym. What is, what is that piece of cardio that Tommy acquired? Well, let's think, let's analyze this as deeply as someone could ever analyze this question. Let's start with, let's broadly speak of options. Could be a treadmill, right?

A lot of people get treadmills out there. That does fit the title of cardio, yes. That could be an option. Could be a bike of some sort, very common piece of cardio equipment. It could also be, yes, that is a piece of cardio too. Rowers are particularly timely for us. I'm assuming it's a stationary piece of cardio. You know, you could say, well, I bought a sled.

That's a piece of cardio equipment, right? Because you're pushing a sled. It's a, yeah. Yeah. So I don't think it's that. I'm going to say it's a more conventional piece of cardio equipment, which to me would typically be a treadmill. a bike, a rower, it could be a skierg, if a skierg popped up, least common of them.

Because that's such a wild card, I'm going to pull the skierg out. I'm going to say it's not a ski erg. Okay. I'm saying it's not a sled. It's not like a moving thing. I'm going to say it's not a treadmill. I could be wrong about that, but if I, for the sake of having to eliminate my options, I'm just going to say not a treadmill because treadmills are bigger.

It's kind of just running and walking. It's the easiest thing to replicate without a piece of cardio equipment. So it would probably be if you're, I'm going to assume you're going to have one piece. It wouldn't be the first one that I would guess if I'm just strictly guessing. All right. So I'm going to remove the treadmill. So I am now down to a bike and a rower. And if we're talking a bike, I'm going to split the bike into two categories.

It could be a stationary spin bike or it could be an air fan bike. You really cover all the bases here, actually. I was not expecting this analysis, but I am enjoying it. So air fan bike would be, you know, I've got the rogue echo bike or what's the A salt bike or an adult bike. There you go. Or an older air dine. It could be an older used air dine.

You can usually get those for $100 or less. So that could be your chiefest entry point. If you were really hard up for a piece of cardio equipment, you could have probably bought a Schwinn Airdine any time in the last few years. But maybe you just decided that you really want some. It's going to be winter soon, so maybe you're thinking, oh, I need to get something. Maybe you wanted to just pull the trigger more recently.

Also a rower, and I know we've talked about rowers, and they could be, if it's a rower, it's a concept two, other versions of that, and that's about all I know as far as rowers. You know, when I say other versions, there's different brands that are kind of just like a concept too. Oh, so which of those could it be? I know we talked about a rower, so I lean towards you found a used concept two rower.

I think either of these would be a great choice. Maybe there's some other options I'm completely overlooked. And maybe it really is the ski or maybe it's option Z. That's none of those common things. But I'm not going to say that that's the case. So I'm back to is it a rower or is it? I'm going to say you got, if it's a bike, it's a fan bike. Although it could be a spin bike, but I'm just going to say it's a fan bike.

Okay. No, just wait. That's not my final answer. Oh, okay, okay. So I'm just saying, is it a rower or is it a fan bike? fan bike those are my most two likely scenarios both seems to

I don't know if one is more commonly found available than the other and I don't know that one is necessarily cheaper than the other you can find cheaper options of fan bike because the Schwinn Airdines exist you can probably find relatively cheap options of the rower

because if it's an odd has to be an off brand or a really old one sometimes you see really old ones that are yeah I'm going to say you got a used air bike. I don't know what brand. Okay. That's my guess. Okay.

That was an incredible analysis. Actually, really well done. I got to give you points for that one. But I'm going to say this might be one of my hottest takes ever on this podcast. Okay. My piece of cardio I have added is, and I'm ready for the discussion after this, is. All right. A Peloton bike.

Oh, a Peloton bike. That's actually kind of a whole other category that I wasn't really considered. Slightly, yeah, yeah. You were very close. I guess I talked about, I really wasn't thinking about that as an option, though. I wouldn't have either. If you sparked us on me, there was no way I would have gone that direction. Yeah.

Yeah, I was not thinking about a Peloton. I was, I mean, I did say bike, so I'm giving myself the credit. And we even said spin bike and I'm like, God, maybe going to get there. Okay. Yeah, I would have had to have considered like, Think of the, I eliminated spin bike because I wasn't thinking about Peloton style as an option. Basement Brandon has a Peloton bike. Did you talk to him before you got?

So this is, I'm guessing you did. So this conversation is going to be funny because I know we've actively shit on Peloton bikes or I probably have on this podcast. Probably multiple times throughout the years even. Do you think you've shit on it or like what do you mean? I think I've just like said how it's just annoying that they have a monthly subscription. Right. I think that's more been what my. Right.

I think that was my critique of it. Because I don't really remember us really shitting on. I think there was one time we're like, hey, look at the stock price. It's really not doing good. But maybe that could have been a reference to like mirror or something like that, too. Like I, there's so many of these things I kind of forget what's what as far as the subscription-based items. But I probably had talked critically of the subscription in the past, which I mean is a lot. Okay, so we get to that.

But I had been looking, you know, I've talked about this for a while. I've been looking for a piece of cardio equipment. And I'd like to have something that elevates my heart outside of like basically holding your breath for squatting for like eight reps. It just feels like maybe there's just a little something you could do that would be beneficial. And the other big one is preferably was be something that I can do in my house. And, you know, there's a lot of days where my wife is gone. And so having something that I can do when either the kids are in bed or just that I can just take care of quick would be ideal. And I just was not sure.

sure what that was. I kind of kept leaning towards the rower. I'd actually sent you some rowers I'd been looking at. There was some, there was actually, I almost bought one the other day, but it happened to be about an hour and a half away. And I'm like, ah, it's an hour and a half away. It's like, give me a reason. Like, if this thing's here after like three days, okay. And like the day that I was just about to make the offer is the day it disappeared. So I'm like, okay, yep, all right, don't have to do that one. And still had not decided what that was going to be. Really did not know. And there's this guy A basement Brandon, who had a little video come out a few days ago. I don't know.

Did you see this video on YouTube? I haven't watched it. I did see that it came out. But I've definitely seen some of his content about Peloton before. Yeah. And I've known he has one. I didn't really know. I probably have watched it.

I just never really paid attention because it was so not on my radar. But sat down and watched a little YouTube before bed one night. And I'm scrolling through my subscription feed. And I see he has like a three minute video about a Peloton. And my immediate reaction was like, a Peloton video. I'm not going to watch this. And I was like,

oh, three minutes, okay. Yeah. And I watched it. And I got done with the video and I'm like, dude, I'm sold.

Like you convinced me in three minutes. He was basically saying how much him and his wife have used it throughout the years. He said they both love it. I think he said he uses it. I don't know. Go watch the video. I think he said he uses it like five or six days a week.

He's in all the time. He said he finds the classes like fun. and, you know, he basically said it makes cardio fun. Like he's, I think he said he's had several cardio devices over the years from Echo Bikes to, you know, whatever. And he's like, compared to what he's used for the, he's like, whatever you might have to say about it, this is the thing that has managed to keep me fun and engage with cardio.

And I mean, that's, that is the game with fitness. It's like, you find the thing you like. Luckily for us, the thing we like is lifting weights. And so like, that's easy to do. And we've never had to stray far from that or look for something else. But on the cardio side, I've never really put much of an effort in, but I've never also found. something that I'm like, oh, yeah, this is really, really fun for me.

And the, okay, the two cons of Peloton, two big ones would be the initial starting price. So a new bike, it starts at like, depending on the package, anywhere between like, I can't remember if it's 12 or 1,300 and like $17 or $1,800. Not cheap. I'm just thinking you might even say more than that, though. I don't know why. Just because it seemed like it's an expensive name in my head. I know.

Like in my head, it was like $1,500 is what it, like that's what I figured. And Brandon's video is he was saying. Um, you know, the COVID rush is done. Everyone has now decided, I mean, there's, there's not many things in the fitness space that have a bigger name than Peloton, you know. No. And he's like, these things are always on marketplace. A lot of times, 500 bucks or less. Oh, oh, 500 or less.

Okay. You got my attention now. Yeah. He's like, if you're in any market, you should be able. He's like, I actually, he said he had the lower end bike that he paid. And also, I didn't know this on Peloton. The bike has been essentially the same for like seven years. They haven't like changed it.

So outside of buying just one that's older, maybe has some more usage on it, like a bike from 2021 is the same that they're selling new today. So you're not missing anything there. There is an upgraded bike. And like this upgraded bike is like $2,500 or $24. But he said he actually liked his Peloton so much that he sold his current bike to get the upgraded one that does like an auto resistance thing. And he sold his old one for $600 and got the like $2,400 white for $600 on marketplace. So he bought a, he found a used version of the updated one, 2400. He found it for 600, which is also the price he then sold his lower end version for.

And so he couldn't afford not to classic scenario. I mean, at that point, you upgraded for free big time. And so he's got my attention. I'm like, well, as far as our part of the country goes, I live in a somewhat bigger city. Like, what are the options? And it was frustrating at first because it was just like $1,000, $9.50, $8.50, like all these bikes. You're like, where's the $500? For $8.50 to $1,000, you look in Minneapolis.

I mean, you can find them for $400 all day in Minneapolis. But I'm also like, by the time I spend seven hours in the car and another $60 on gas, I'm like, well, that's not any savings. So I'm like, well, I don't know. Let's keep an eye on it. And one popped in for $6.50. I'm like, okay, not terrible, not terrible. Half off at least. Half off, yeah.

I can live with that. Another interesting thing that Peloton does is because they do. at least acknowledge that the resell market exists is you can get the serial number and from anybody and it will tell you roughly how many hours the bike has on it when it was used or yeah yeah or when it was activated so you at least have some info on some minor specs assuming so do sellers share that with you so you can ask them for it and I did so eventually I'm waiting I'm very impatient at this point because I'm like dude I'm jacked I'm ready to go let's do this and so there was one for $6.50. I was messaging the guy back and forth. Eventually, I say,

hey, would you do $5.50? He says, he'll do $600. And I'm like, yeah, okay, it's not the worst ever, but, you know, the sweet spot, I mean, the deal is $400. 500. The deal is $400. And the deal is $400. You know, like, that's the deal. But I'm also like, I don't live in Minneapolis where those exist. Right. And so I'm like, oh, if I, anywhere below $600, I'd be, I, we're talking the difference of $100 and some dollars. I don't care at that point. So I'm like, ah, 50 off to $600. And then I'm like, well, I'll just wait and see if anything happens. And I waited like four or five days. Nothing else popped in.

And I'm like, screw it. Am I going to like be annoyed over $50 to $100? I don't care at this. I'm like, based off of this, if I'm done with it, I'll just sell it for $600 and I'll be out the same. Like it's no big deal. So yeah, I get the info from the guy. He gives me the serial number.

From what I could see on the Peloton website, it was activated in like January, 2023. It said it had roughly 100 hours on it. I'm like, okay, in like two-ish years, a hundred hours. It's like less than an hour a week, which for a bike isn't very much. To me, that just seems like pretty minimal time. So like on the initial passes, it seemed like it was fine. So, yeah, I say, let's do this.

So I go to the guy's house on Friday, and I go pick the thing up. And the guy was really nice and everything and helps me load it up because the bike weighs like 140 pounds. It's going to ask if it's heavy or like. It is. It's just heavy and awkward enough that you wouldn't, you don't, really want to have to move it on your own. Right.

And then it's got that big screen. So we have to take the screen off the front and, you know, take some pieces off just to load it into a towel. Is that easy to take off and stuff? Yeah. I mean, you pop off a back plate and then it's like four fill up screws. So it wasn't too bad. So I get the thing home. So now when we're talking Peloton, the story with Peloton, there's a couple things.

The big one is, all right, you have the piece of equipment. Sure, whatever, you spend $600, whatever that ends up being $400, if you're lucky. And the subscription. Which is not bad, I would say. of all. No, as far as equipment goes, and like, I feel like that's, I mean, even if I have this thing for six months and I sell it for $450, I'm like, oh, I got a $150 with a fund of like, I have no issues with the, the price of the device used.

No, that part does not, that part does not bug me at all. That's not a negative. Buying it new and spending $1,500, that's a pill of swallow. Especially when you just look at the used market, what they're going, like, if they were still going for $1,000 in the used market, then it'd be like, okay, it's a different story but they don't keep their they don't keep their value because there's just too many of them out there um so the the where it rubs people wrong or where it's a hard sale for people is the monthly subscription is like $42 a month so it is spendy that you know that is that is an expensive

part have to be so much it's a lot and the thing that sucks is i wish it was half oh i know well because and i get it if you go on like if you don't work out at all and you buy a peloton and you buy into it, there's a ton in there. It's not just, like when you load it up, there's a cycling category. There's a yoga category. There's a meditation category. There's a strength training. So really it's like, oh, no, this, like the way to think of this is actually you're

just paying for a fitness coaching app. Right. And this one happens to be tied to your bike or like, in my use case, it's like more tied to the bike. But like, if I was just like, I don't know, some person somewhere that has never exercised, I could see how this would be a very good starting point. Like there's, and there's all, you know, the content's great. It's all there.

So getting ahead of myself a little bit here, but that's one thing that's a little annoying. The other thing that's annoying. And from what I can tell, they just started doing this a month ago, is when you buy a used bike, because, you know, this is all connected to the internet. They know it's used. You have a $90 activation fee on a used bike. So now my $600 bike is actually, literally them just like. It's like, yeah, we need to get a piece of, we need to get a cut of that used margin.

That's what they're doing. So did you know about that? I did know because someone mentioned it and Brandon's thing. He's like, oh, I actually just, I must have just missed that. And then I was looking around online. It looks like that just got added in like the last month or so. That's a sneaky little annoying thing that they get to do because it's a subscription product.

Yeah. So again, those I can 100% understand those are the reasons I shit on Peloton in the past or why I've had a bad view of it. But I'm investing in my health, baby. I'm doing, I'm going to see what happens. I'm going to ride this wave and see what it's like. Like, I have now... Could you use it without the subscription?

Like, does it do anything? Well, you can, but they nerf the whole thing so bad. That's the other one. That's, I actually think this is the biggest missed opportunity for them is basically, like, when you turn it on, you select your account. That's the other thing. If you had like a family, like you could in your family, everyone in your family could have their own account. And then at that point, it's like, oh, five people are doing spin classes for 40 bucks a month. Like, go do a spin class down the street.

It's going to cost you like 20. dollars to pop in you know um so as far as if spin classes are the thing you're into i'm like oh this is actually a very affordable option right right um and then like that was brandon's thing too he's like well we're paying 40 bucks a month and actually two of us use it and someone's using it every day a lot of times it's getting used twice a day like if you were to do that with any of their spin i mean you'd be in the hundreds of dollars a month on spin classes if you were doing that so can i buy a used one for massonomics gym and 50 people can all uh what's the commercial uh see that's that's weird too because it ties

to like the Peloton app on your phone. I was actually trying to look at this because I'm like, I could actually see how some people at Massanog's gym would like this. That's what I'm saying. Like, just like the 600 bucks, whatever. I mean, that's every nice piece of equipment costs that much or more.

So I don't care about that. The $40 subscription is really annoying to me. But if I had like 30 people that all like to use this, I'm like, eh, that's a kind of a small investment, really. I thought you would ask that question. I was before this. I was trying to research because I'm like, oh, could Tanner just make like Tanner's account?

And then it's like, and I think maybe you could. It's just like on your iPhone because that's the other thing that's cool about it is like I look at the health app in my iPhone to see, okay, have I been moving today? You know, it's like, and if I haven't been doing anything, I got time, I'll go for a longer walk. Like I'll use that to dictate how long of a walk. You might be able to use it under your name. And it's just going to think that you're just racking up a ton of workouts every day. And okay, so now that we go to the actual experience. So, oh, but if you don't have the app, if you don't have the app, you can take.

turn the bike on and it's just a black screen and in the bottom corner it's going to give you like your cadence, your speed and your power. So it's basically going to give you like a little type like a like a concept to kind of like output of just your stats for that time. But it's not going to save any of it. To me that's a really dumb part is it doesn't save any of it or give you any history like training history or anything like that. And I'm like really you can't even like give training history or you can't do like a $10 tier where like that's what I'm thinking because this is another thing they have they do scenic rides in there like okay you don't want to do a class you can do like oh i want to go on a bike ride through whatever this mountain in yeah in Brazil or

whatever and the faster you pedal the faster the bike goes and it's playing music you know from whatever playlist and like even that it's like nope it's either $40 or nothing like there's no in between and it just seems like a missed opportunity for them yeah because i think i think people are with a $40 membership like conscious of that you know like they're going to cancel that where just look at streaming, everyone has multiple streaming services that are $20 or less, that they're like just letting ride because I'm like, well, I might watch something this week and it'd be annoying to have to sign back up. But I think when you have subscriptions that are over 20, people are a little more price sensitive to that. I think it's, if it's either $19.99 or even

$9.99, you get people to sign up and they're just never going anywhere. They'll just keep it for and I think it's fair. Like, yeah, if they want to do a tier for $15 a month, but it doesn't have like as many features. I think that's still kind of fair. And I think people would do it. But anyways, okay, so those are the complaints. Those are the criticisms about it. Um, as far as actually using it now. So I got it on Friday. I used it Friday. I used it. Did not use it Saturday. It was really busy. But I use it Friday, Sunday, Monday and today. And, uh, I have loved it. It's been really fun. Like it's, so I go into cycling. You get in the bike. You want to cycling. They got all the classes in there. You can sort by.

there's a filter on the sidebar you can sort by the music type the length the style like do you want it to be like a hit style or tabata or whatever it is like all these words i don't even really know but you can like pick pick all these are like the what coach do you want you know there's like 20 different coaches or whatever like if you have a favorite coach so you can filter by all these things that you like and then you can click on the workout and it'll give you the workout rating like as far as difficulty goes so you know what you're getting into it'll show you the playlist for this is the type of music And you're like, oh, yeah, actually, yeah, if I'm going to go on a 20-minute ride, I would prefer to not listen to music that I hate the entire time. And so, and then like the difficulty, you can look at that. And so, like, already it's kind of fun because you're tailoring it to what you want. And I've never done a spin class in my life. I've never been a part of one. I know they're getting pretty popular now.

And so I didn't really know what to expect. And so you do some beginner ones where they kind of a little bit more, the coach is kind of coaching you through things slightly more. And then today was the first time, like, now give me the real deal. So I just hoped on. And it's like, okay, I'm just going through. And it's like, all right, earlier today, there was a, like house music, like dance music. It's like, all right, 20 minute house ride.

And the rating was like 7.5 out of 10. I'm like, all right, let's see what this is about. And I just hop on and you start going. And while you're going, you know, you have your three things. You have your cadence in one. You have your resistance rating in the other. And then it's giving your power output in the middle. And so while you're going, the cadence and the power output, they both have.

have like meters for where the coach wants you to be so you kind of know how to play it. So it's like, yep, all right, for this part, I want you guys to be between like a 70 and 90 cadence and like you do that. It's like, all right, let's have a resistance at 35 here. And so you're just following that. And you know, you can tweak it and do whatever you want. Like it's totally up to you. But where this one really got me today though, I'm like, ah, I see the addicting part of it is on the right hand side. It's got the leaderboard for the workout. And you're like, damn, okay. And it's like, it shows people that are doing the class like right now. yeah and it's like all right so this one loaded up the classes from earlier day I got in

when I was on and like people are starting you know within a few I don't know how they I don't know if it's just anyone within the 20 minute window of you starting appears in there but I don't know there was like 40 some people in it and I'm like going and go in and pretty soon like oh yeah all right top 10 okay top 10 and it's like seen it's like oh I can see that this person's already done it's like oh they ended up at like 150 what's the it's like kilojoules or whatever is the output and I'm like, oh, I'm at 150. I'm at 148. Okay, yeah, I'm passing them up, passing them.

And it's like, okay, I can see the top 10. All right, all right. Number 10 is at 200 kilojoules. I'm like, we're going, baby. And like, towards the end, it's like, all right, I'm on eight minute 18. And I'm like, just pumping away as hard as I can. I'm at like 180, 189, 191. I'm like, oh, I didn't make top, you know, I didn't make top 10 for that class.

But then it brings up the all time leaderboard. And it's 14,000 people have taken this class so far. And of the 14,000, you were number 35. And it's like, okay, all right, I got it. I like the, I can see the gamification of the whole thing and the, the competitiveness like this does make it pretty fun. And that's, yeah, that's, so it's been four or five days. And that has been my, uh, my Peloton experience so far.

And I have enjoyed it. I've been having fun. I like that. I actually didn't know you could get him, you, I mean, obviously you can get them use. I've never once even looked at it. I never have either. And, okay, so even here's just showing where I should have been, maybe a little

more patient. Two more have popped up in Sioux Falls now for 500 bucks. There's that. I did see one pop up in Watertown for $500 now today too. So they are out there. They are 100% out there. So what's the thing though about it linking? Because you said you can have like five profiles in your family. So what there's linked to your because I would want my health that. Because I also use look at that. I think that's what's going to happen is your and I would just look into this more. Like I for real only got to look for like three minutes before this started. But that's, what because you get the Peloton app on your phone and so the Peloton app is what like so I get done with the workout and all right let me let me just load it up here so like I get done with

the workout it goes into my profile of like Tommy you've worked out you have a you've done eight rides tall you've done seven rides total you're on a excuse me a four day streak you know it's giving you data on what you've done and then when you go into there um like your things let me find it here Uh, where is this at? I actually don't ever look at this part in the app. So it's, yeah, you have two or three days. You've done, um, oh, what else do we got?

You've done 120, or an hour and 24 minutes, sulfur on the bike. You've written, so it's given you all this data. You've ridden 21 miles in this time period. You've burned 755 calories. Like, you know, it's giving you all these stats because it's all tied to your user. And then Peloton feeds that in, information into the health app.

So when you go into the health app, you know, it's saying that, oh, yeah, you had a 20-some-minute cycle ride today. You know, it's seen that stuff.

Again, so I'm not, I'm just, as far as I know, you could make an account or maybe this would be, well, I think there'd be a way you could, you could fake around it

where you could almost just make like a fake Masconomics account. Yeah. I'm just not sure because then it's like, well, do you need an Apple ID for Masonomics? Right. I don't,

I think there would be, be away. Okay, so there's a couple things. There's two, there's two more things there, is that, and you could, you could solve this one is the Peloton bike does require the clip-in, the clip-in shoes. Oh, so you have to buy shoes that fit you then, or like, this is, this is, you have to have the shoes. I didn't realize it had clip-in shoes. It does have clip-in shoes, which I've never ridden a bike with clip-in shoes before.

You know, a couple years ago, I bought a trek bike. Clipless. Yeah, clipless, actually, yeah, it's clippless. And I bought a trek bike, and I was actually loving that. oddly clipless. I know. It's crazy, crazy naming structure. But I did buy a bike, you know, a few years ago. And I loved it. I had so much fun riding my bike around. And unfortunately, like with where I live, biking is just, it's like borderline dangerous. Like these roads. I have an area part of town that has grown significantly, but the infrastructure is not kept up. So you're on these incredibly busy roads with no shoulder. And I see some guys riding the road bike. I'm like, dude, you are a freaking like, you're going to get hit by I don't know how yeah it's like it's a miracle

like that people aren't getting hit by cars all the time so like where I live right now going on long bike rides like that I could go for bike ride through the neighborhood but I'm not just going to do laps to the neighborhood nonstop you know like you have to do like I would also I live on the top of the biggest hill so I'd have to get to the far end of the neighborhood

which means for the first five minutes I'm not pedaling at all and then it's all uphill the next five so where I live is not super good for workout bicycling but But yeah, I'd never use the clipless pedals. And it is nice. Like it does add a level to the bike riding experience that I hadn't experienced before.

But you could, because it is, the way I understand, I think it's just a universal pedal mount. You could just get the ones where, you know, it's just flat pedals or you could get the little cage thing with, I think that's an option. I don't, I don't think you would be. It probably boxed out from that. But I did this. I'm like, I could actually, I genuinely thought, oh, I could see some guys at Massonomics

actually liking this. Oh, well, because here's our thing, and this is the same for anyone that lives in, like, I really like biking outside. I ride my bike probably like three nights a week right now, but we live in South Dakota. So I'm always like, oh, that's going away soon. You know, like we're not going to be able to do that much. It starts to get dark pretty soon too. Right. So I do look for different, you know, and I, I get uninterested in cardio that I'm doing.

So I always like having options because like it all like, it, like, it. all gets not fun after a while but if you have different things i'm like yeah that keeps me interested in it uh so that's why that and i could see other people wanting to use it at the gym too but uh i'm what is their business model like do they want gyms buying that or are they discouraging well i was trying have some do they have some three hundred dollar a month plan that they're like no we want you to have to buy this one and i was trying to look and it looks like again this is only like five minutes of research yeah it looked like for a little bit they did have a commercial model right that they were trying and like you have to contact them for the commercial model and the commercial plan because

what it sounds like some places have is like hotels might have a peloton right they do yeah yeah but i think the idea there is like no you're going to log into your peloton account on this peloton you know like everyone has the because that's actually i think the ceo says like that's the model they want to be they want to be in the subscription model it just so happens that to be in their subscription model requires you to buy a one thousand dollar piece of equipment but um i don't think they're making much money on the equipment part it's all the subscriptions. They're just getting out there to, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But as far as the programming goes like, because I'm like, well, also at the end of the day,

what's stopping me from just buying a spin bike and just doing this on my own? And it is, now that I've done a few, I'm like, that's what it is. It's the metrics of I can select a class where they've made a fun playlist. And the coach has determined when we're going to sprint, when we're going to crank up the resistance, when we're going to do like the hill climb, when we're going to coast. Like, I don't got to think of the, basically the programming is done for me. And I pick the one that's fun or that one I think would be fun. And it's the same, it's a thing of like, okay, I've been picking the 20 minute rides.

And I mean, there's our rides. You know, you can pick whatever you want. But I pick a 20 minute ride. And like today, you know, they guide you through kind of like their three minute warm up. They're kind of saying what they're going to do. And then once it gets going, and like, oh, 20 minutes. Like that is a long time. And it gets done.

I'm like, dude, that just flew by. Like it actually flew by. And to me, that is the indication that you're having fun with something is. Yeah. It's not like, oh, God. because the timer's right there. I'm not like, oh, 16 minutes left and then out 14 minutes left. Like, why doesn't it?

It's like, nope. Like you kind of get in the zone and like, oh, yeah, like the song. Like you're matching the pedaling to the beat. And oh, yeah, here's the sprint coming up. And then you start looking at that leaderboard. And all of a sudden, yeah, 20 minutes have flown by. You've burned a couple hundred calories. You're like, all right, I got really sweaty.

And I had a pretty good time getting some cardio in, actually. That's the most interesting part to me is the game or the competitive part of it. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's the type of thing that keeps. me going because even when I'm like when I'm into my rower I just think every workout I finish I take a picture of the screen and put it in my in chat GPT right away and every time I'm like here's my here what here it was this time how does this you know and I like just ask it like rank me on this compared to last time and like you know it and just because then it's spitting out just I mean it's not comparing it to specific people but it's just a comparison that I'm like okay

yep now I now I see what I want to do next time well and that got me thinking because I was, I was, when I'm getting done with this, I'm thinking of your, what you just described, your exact experience on the rower. And I'm like, God, it seems like a missed opportunity. And maybe there's something there where, like, Concept 2 needs to have just a Wi-Fi connected thing where you just set up a username. And when it spits it out, you know, you get done with whatever program you selected. And here's how you did for the week, the month the year. Right. And maybe that's harder when it's like, now people are just hopping on the rower for inordinate amounts of time, like undefined amounts. Like this, like the class is so easy.

everyone is doing this exact same class. Here's how you stack up to everyone else that took it. It also only works because there's a million of those things out there. Well, yes. Like everyone's used it. Like concept too, there is also. So that doesn't. There is.

But yeah, it's a little different though where it's not just, you know, it's just, it is a little different at the end of the day. But, um, yeah,

man, I, I actually have had fun with this. I'm trying to convince my wife to do it. Because I'm like, oh, I think you would like this. Yeah,

I figured maybe that's what you're going to say is that she's been using it or that she I at first I like that was my first thought is that you're you're like ah I was going to get something but then she wanted this too so it's like well we get one thing and we both you know it's like two birds one stone and well here's the funny part is so my my sister-in-law she actually owned a cycle studio for a while for a little over I don't know like a year and a half and then she sold it to someone else but she started the cycle studio because when she lived in Arizona she was taking spin classes and loved it and then she's like yeah I'm in the spin business and she did like it a lot but then she decided to

take a different path in life and so I saw her like a week ago and I'm like hey what do you think of Peloton bikes and she's like oh they're awesome if you can afford it she's in school right now she's like if you can afford it and you have the space for the bike it's awesome I'd love to have one and I'm like oh this is a person that's spent done cycling like many many many hours

a week on a spin bike and she was like had good things to say about it so then I told my wife I'm like Leah would I think I might get a Peloton she's like what's that again? I'm like, you're just so odd of this. I'm like, it's the spin bike. And she's like, oh, so I could do it too. I'm like, you could.

Yeah. So where do you put it? Well, that's the other thing right now that I'm debating a little bit because there is a computer. You know, it's a screen. There is a computer in this damn thing. And I'm looking and it says like, it should be in a temperature controlled environment. And it's not just the temperature.

It's also the humidity. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't leave my computer in 90 degree or 90% humidity every day all the time. Yeah. So for right now, I just have it in our guest bedroom because it sits empty, you know, 95% of the time. Someone's here maybe a couple times a month. So right now it's in the guest bedroom. Can you move it?

Like, yeah, it just tips up on wheels. Like it's not. Like could you easily, if you're like, yep, I want it out in this room. Like, would it even be a big deal to move? No, no. No. Like if it was like, you called me, you're like, oh, I got to stay in your spare bedroom. I would say, okay.

Like, I'm moving the bike. Like, it would take me 30 seconds to go in there. unplug the bike, tip it on its wheels, and wheel it into, like, this room. Like, it wouldn't be a big deal. So for the time being, it's in that room. But then part of me is like, well, this is kind of the nice time of year in, in the garage. Like, I wouldn't have a problem leaving in the garage now for, like, the next couple months. I don't think that would really hurt it.

Right. You know, the temperatures are getting much more mild and the humidity's not so crazy and, like, the heat's not so crazy. And I would actually prefer to have it out there. Like, I'd love to go in the garage and do it. But then, like, the wintertime, I just think that would be. pretty hard on it because I don't keep my garage heated, you know, 24 hours a day. It's not temperature controlled. So you do have these swings of on days when I work out, you know, in the really cold

days, it might get down to like 32 before it warms up to like 60. And just, I just think going those temperature swings, there's going to be condensation and moisture. So, um, I don't. The screen's not so removable that you could just take, you can't just like clip it on and off every time you go to use it. I mean, it does require doing four. yeah for it's not like it just like pops on it no it doesn't pop on and off nicely because if it did

that you know that would that would be a potential thing I did read some things of people saying that the calibration you know the so when you turn it you know like when you're doing it you have this knob that you're like any spin bike but the calibration it you know it says what your resistance is on the screen and I read some things online of people saying like when it goes through like a bunch of temperature changes the calibration on that can be kind of off so when it says oh are you at 40 it might only be at 30 or it might be at 55 my guy I can see how that could be an issue too. So, yeah, anyways, though, for right now,

it's in the spare bedroom. I'm fine with it being there. But then the other, we have this massive, like, storage room, laundry room in our basement here, which it would totally fit in just fine. And I'm like, oh, I might just put it in there. And my wife's like, oh, it's going to look terrible in the storage room. Like, but no one cares.

It's the storage room. So, yeah, I don't know. Like, for the time being, I don't know where the final place is going to be. I might just wheel it back out into the garage for a few months here. Yeah. I'm not sure. Actually, I have a lot of. shit in the garage. I need to put this new flooring down

and I have other boxes show up. So I have a big project in the garage in the next week or two here. But that's actually the biggest mystery of this whole thing is like where it's actually going to live. Maybe it's nomadic. Maybe it's just always on the road. I'm not sure. But yeah, my early impressions of the Peloton is I have been pleasantly surprised and having a good time with it so far. Yeah.

I'm, I think Pelotons are good. the only, I'm like, the freaking subscription is, the 42. I'm like, can't they, can't that be half? Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I guess it's like, I'm just purely thinking about me having one. I'm like, after talking about it, I'm like, oh, I'm sold. I think that would be, that's, if you can buy one for 600 bucks, that's a sweet deal. Like right now, I think of it, like, in your, this is how I could see it be in long term, too.

Like, in someone like your, in your case, if you say, yeah, I want one of these. Okay, you look. All right. Two for sale in Sioux Falls right now for 500. one watertown for 500, more than likely you could play the waiting game and get one of these for 400, less than, I mean, you could for sure give them less than 500 in the next month if you wanted to. And then it's like, oh, okay, this is just my winter workout device. And it's like, all right, yeah, you have it. Okay, you pay the subscription for four months a

year and that's like your winter thing. And then summertime comes around or you're tired of it. You want to do rowing for a little while and you cancel it. And I'm like, that's actually not a terrible existence. Yeah, that's not a, that's actually what people do a lot with streaming services. Streaming service. And I mean, people do that same thing with juggernaut AI. You know, they might run juggernaut for, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Run juggernaut for four or five months. And then you want to do something else?

Yeah, take a little break. And then if you're ready to come back, come back. I mean, they do, I will give them credit. Like today I looked in, you know, when I went to go open my thing, there was like 15 new cycling classes today. You know, so it's like literally every day there's all this new stuff coming in. It's not like you're doing, oh, yeah, here's the same class. Like, there's always new stuff pumping in.

So from what I gather, you would never need to do the same class twice. Well, I guess, yeah, that's one risk you run is of anything that's of that model that it's like, well, they have to, they need to go ahead and stay in business for this bike to not become a giant. Yeah, because I think the interesting, a brick, you know, right, right. So I think the interesting thing with it is, you know, I think their stock price is pretty low. I think it's actually doing pretty bad right now. I actually curious on this. Well, they always say you want to buy low and sell high, so. Yeah, I think if you look, yeah, look at their five, yeah, look at their five year stock chart,

you know, a high in 2021 of like 160 a share. And right now they're trading for about $7 a share. So they've crashed down, but what I've heard, and then like there's reports of people in the company getting laid off and things like that. But I thought I saw someone make a comment. They're like, yeah, at the end of the day, though, they got four million subscribers. And it's like, oh, yeah, four million at $40 a month. like that's a lot of money and like yeah maybe they're having issues with the rest of the

company making it but it seems hard to believe oh I don't know if I guess if the whole thing bricks then that's all I got it to do I I've started looking I guess this has been a change this has been probably the biggest change in my perception last year is sort of looking at health is way more of an investment yourself and less like how can I save money because trust me at the end if I was trying to save money I wouldn't have a home gym like let's be real like that's a terrible nine times out of ten it's a terrible money um yes money move i agree that is the right way to look at it too and i even agree with that but i'm just like i just don't like that price in terms of all subscriptions i'm like that seems like the

wrong price to be point but they're obviously well i should say it i was going to say it's obviously working i'm like well it's kind of working except the stock price of seven dollars here but like you know which can mean any number of things but right but i'm like they're obviously it's i'm sure no doubt they haven't considered should this be cheaper and they've determined that 42 is what they can maximize or like every streaming service has oh you know what they have tears do we need to add tears that's what i really i think you're really right that there should be tears like an ad plan where before your ride kicks off you see a 30 second ad right and that saves you a five bucks a month or 10 bucks a month or do we need to have a cycling only plan or a meditation only plan or a yoga only plan like

but i'm sure his i did not know that they have treadmills and rowers too did you know this No. Have you heard about this? Yeah. They also have a, they have a rower. They have a treadmill. I think they might have one other thing. And they all do the same thing where they have, you know, like classes and programming and auto resistance built in. So if you buy like the rower, do you need to set another subscription?

I think it's all part of the subscription. I think it's. What if you buy two bikes? Um, I don't know. I'm trying to think of why you would have two bikes. I guess maybe if you have two houses or something like that. Right. that would probably be the use case because like in theory in your house you well i don't know

i don't know what the i haven't thought that what if i wanted to buy two bikes and i had them at the you know like right well but that's also i mean you're still there the first problem you have to figure out is just having one bike at the gym you know like that's the first issue to solve is how do you do one bike at the gym i want to know how i can maximize weasling the company they probably have i thought i think if you could figure out one like make sure because the pedals are removable. So if you can swap out the pedals, which you should be able to for just flat pedals or just ones that have the little cage, I think if you can do that, then all right, that's the first hurdle. And then if you can figure out a way that you can have a subscription,

whether it's on like a dummy account or something, I can see there's a lot of guys that either would do warm up classes or would just get done with their workout and be like, no, two or three times a week, I'm doing a 20 minute ride before I take off. And I think there's some guys that would really like that. There's a bunch that would because like most of the lifter, you know, we have a large number of lifters that are in their 30s, in their 40s, in their 50s, and they're kind of like, you know, I kind of like to be like, you know, I want some cardiovascular training. And you get a crazy, crazy leg pump on this, you know, like your lungs go, but damn,

the quad pumps I'm getting on this thing are crazy. And that's partly, partly my peddling style where I'm just not used to, you know, really being able to get the hammies involved in the way that you can pull up on it. I'm more used to the stabbing motion and I'm trying to improve that. But damn, I'm like, if I can keep this up, the hyperchievous. on the quads has to be crazy at a certain point here. Never seen a top cyclist with small quads, am I right?

Have you seen some of those pictures? Yeah, that's insane. The Olympic are the, what's at the indoor track that they do in the Olympics? Those guys are actually insane. They have these absurd legs that look like they're photoshopped. Yeah, because those guys are like built for sprinting, you know, not the long time, not the long, long endurance thing.

Yeah, those pictures, they do look fake. yes those guys have enormous legs god i'm just looking right now they do they all look photoshop it looks it looks like they just ran through a very low effort Instagram filter yeah wow it does holy so that's the uh cardio

that's cardio corner that's cardio corner this week yeah maybe uh maybe i'll give us a little update a month from now maybe we'll make a video about it maybe hey there we go brandon made a video and inspired So actually I did message him. You know, I said, oh, you're a bad influence. And then I asked him, you know, what programs he likes to do.

And he said, before he lifts, he'll usually do like a little five-minute ride. And then he said on a lot of days either after lifting or if it's an off day, he'll do like a 20 to 30-minute ride too. Now I'll have to see how his video performed if we should do a YouTube video. I'm guessing because it's his channel and it's a Peloton, probably not very well. Right. But I think it would do well on ours. Oh, yeah.

Ours, though, would be a different story. Ours would do really well. Another different story is barefoot. They have a wide variety of shoes. I don't think any of them are clipless, though. Unfortunately. Could be an untapped market for them there. Yeah, clippless barefoot shoes for pelotons.

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Well, the Peloton is the only new piece of equipment that you've gotten recently. Oh. actually yeah so you're right i forgot to mention this last week on the pod i don't think i talked about it right my black widow cart on the podcast last week no i don't think so um so yeah i got the black widow cart from dean god that thing is so beefy it is crazy how just how just overbuilt and just beefy i mean that's the word for it the thing is beefy and it looks so good like i got the red one with the black with the black uh support plates and um it looks sweet it's really cool to have my repins off the floor to just like wheel them around does it seem way better i mean it seems

way better it's a bit for for my gym my footprint it is a big piece like it is big like i do have to wheel the cart out of the way depending on the exercise i'm doing but whereas before the way i got around that is i just had the weapons just pushed flat all the way against the wall so that they were mostly out of the way which was also annoying to make change and do all that stuff with them. Not a necessary purchase by any means, but man, if you got one of these things,

they are sweet. It's really cool. And we won't have... So does it wheel around decently, though? Oh, yeah. Yeah. For having the two, you know,

when it's, I don't know, whatever the cart weighs, plus, you know, I have the 80 pound rep in. So, you know, the whole thing probably weighs close to 200 pounds, you know, once it's loaded.

And yeah, you just, the rollers are good. You just pull on it and it wheels, it wheels right over. Even on horse stall mats, you know, where there's a little sponginess to it. but yeah, it's really cool.

The quality is the first thing I've ever got for Dean. Quality is super impressive. I talked about this on the Deven Lift Pro podcast that, you know, you just get so used to this idea of like these big factories are pumping out uprights and all this, you know, powder coating things that you get this from Dean. It's like, damn, some guy took this three by three steel, ran it through his machines, cut these holes, powder coats all of this by hand, packages the whole thing up and set like there's one guy doing all this and it's it's impressive what uh you know just the quality

and what he's able to achieve out of his out of his shop it's almost like us making horse stall mat grippers it's very it's actually that's what i kept thinking like oh now now i know how dean feels like we're we're doing the exact same thing over here we are literally doing the exact same thing when we make horse stall matt grippers so we'll have uh we all have a more in-depth video that talks about that uh tanner's gonna we have a little content trip planned about a month here so we'll get some more there'll be more coming on that one in the future that's just in a few weeks

actually actually yeah not a month a couple weeks you're right in one month we have a really big trip in a couple weeks we have a well yeah because every two to three weeks we have to go do something massonomics related that involves leaving our houses on that note you can sign up for our crew falls event the sign up for that is officially available there's a link for that on our website if you're a

supporting member and you want to come hang out with us on beautiful Sioux Falls, South Dakota, December 5th, December 6th, Friday, Saturday, this winter. It's going to be fun. We've already got over 20 people signed up, and that just came out. So there's kind of an itinerary out there that you can check out of what we got cooking there. So get involved. Come hang out. It's a blast.

So we'd love to have you there. The other thing I was going to say, what was it? Something about... Oh, I mean, I get the, I don't know if this was it, but the horse stall mat grippers are taking the world by storm. So we released those last week. And we have not sold out. We have sold a lot of them,

but we also made a lot of horse stall mat grippers in this first go-round because we kind of had a, thankfully our hunch was correct that people would enjoy getting their hands on these things. And as we're recording, the first wave of them hitting the Forever Homes is going to be kind of like tomorrow. So by the time this podcast comes out, a lot of people should have them. That's why I'm really curious to start seeing these records popping in because I want to know.

Not a lot of changes on the records yet because not many people have them. And also I think a few people literally just started getting them today. But I also think a lot of people when they get them, they're like, they try, they mess around. They're like, okay, I want to do better than that. So they're not, people don't submit right away because they're like, oh, I got to get these numbers up. You know, like, they're like, I'm not going to submit a new number every other, every other day. So I'm just going to get something good and then send it in. Yeah, I'm just looking at the leaderboard here.

Yep, Megan Stone. There's been a few changes. Megan Stone had to tie me. Just couldn't let me have it all to myself. Yeah, what she got 90? 95 and a half. That's really impressive. That's really good.

That's really good. Most of the changes so far have been people that have already on the list coming back to that I haven't touched it again. I do feel like that day I did it. I was not feeling 100%. Yeah, you'll have to try it again. I do think I have more in the tank. Several people have moved up with trying again.

I haven't like tried a max again, but I think I might at some point in time. Or like maybe I'll just, what I'm going to do is not do both on the same day every time. Because that's kind of. What do you mean? Ken just backs up both back to back every day. Yeah, you sure can,

but I think it would be helpful to not do that sometimes. Yeah. I could see that. So within a week from now, I bet there'll be a lot of shaking up on the records, actually. If things are, yeah. Actually, no, just everyone with the strongest grip is at Massonomics gym. It's all it comes down to.

Yeah, there's no changes. I want to see. Can anyone beat Tom? That's what I want to know. Definitely on the one hand that'll happen to what I'm, the Tom two-hand number. I'll be, someone will be able to. Yeah.

But I don't know. It's not going to be easy. And I'm like, who's the first person that's going to come out and just spank his number? Like, who's going to be able to do like 180 on this thing? I know. That person's out there. I don't know who they are, but they're out there. Yeah.

We'll see. The horse doll mat gripper still available. You can get yourself a horse stall Matt gripper. It is a lot of fun. We talk about gamified. Well, take this Peloton. We gamified. And you don't need to buy a subscription on the horse stall mat gripper from us.

You just buy the gripper one time. It's like you're in. One month of Peloton subscription and you can get to play with this leaderboard forever. You know, you can keep tackling this for the rest of your life. If that doesn't sell horse stall Matt Grippers, I don't know what does. And that's Massonomics.com slash records where you can check out the official record board. Or to buy the product, you can go, massanomics.com, slash, horse stall, mat, gripper. Just kidding.

That's not really what it is. Just go to the shop. I don't know what the... You actually, it's far off. Massonomic.com slash shop slash horse dash stall dash, Matt, dash. gripper so yeah rather than just go into our website type that in to go buy a horse stall matt gripper we need direct visits you don't just search for vassonomics okay what else do we want to hit on this week um i don't think i've just had this on here

a long time i don't think we talked about this in the podcast i think it was offline i finally got a leg roller so i could do nordic curls yeah and i was because you had talked about it somewhat recently we went to no way hose's gym he was getting rid of his ghr r be i'm Are, he didn't even, wait, was he getting rid of it or did you not have one anymore? He did have one. Yeah, he was getting rid of it to get just like a hyper extent, just like a back extension machine. That's right. And because he said, no, he does like his, that GHR movement.

He does Nordic curls on his rack. And so he sent me a video of how he does it, how he does it. And a GHR is something I've been looking at, but they are so massive that I just kind of gave up on it. Finally did it. I got the Nordic curl. I got a leg roller. It's surprising how hard it is to find a 5-A-inch leg roller. There's not a ton of companies that do,

and a lot of them don't. The one-inch ones are all so great. They just put it on. You put it on, and there's a nut. You just thread it. It's good. And the 5-A-1s have all these extra little things.

But PRX, I bought one from PRX. Okay. It's a nice. Our neighbors to the north. Our neighbors to the north. Ship fast. And the quality is good. I like the roller they sent.

And I've been trying some Nordic curls with it. man. And then I got like a $20 like knee foam pad thing off of Amazon, which will look good. Yeah, it's actually really nice. It's, it's perfect. And I've been doing the technique where I put the roller on the inside of the rack, put the knee pad down, and then I hang the band from the pullet bar around my chest. So it's giving me support on the way up. That's how I saw Jose do it. Dude, it's so weird. It's just like grip, whereas you're trying so hard, but there's just nothing in there. It's like, how can nothing be happening? I'm trying this hard. Like, what's going on? And, you know, in the initial part of the thing, you have control of it, you're doing it.

But it just quickly just dies out. And it's, it's a weird sensation because I don't have that a lot on lifting things anymore where you're just putting up a fight and nothing happens. But I've been mixing some of those in. I've been enjoying it. It's a fun new movement to try. I agree. They're insanely hard. And I've been trying, I've tried a lot of different things. Also, what it made me do is I went back to the GHR now since that I've been doing some Nordic Nordic curls again and I'm like all right let me mess with the settings on this thing what am I where am I putting this and what what's crazy I found on our GHR we have the I think it's the Abrams rogue GHR and you can adjust the footplate up and down

which I haven't found a significant change in any of that and then also you can adjust how close and it's kind of on this little bit of an arc how closer away you are from it And it's crazy. You know, that, that adjustment probably has, like, eight holes in it. Yep. And whatever number hole, I can't remember. I've got it written in my notes, but, like, say, whole number five. If I go on hole number five, I can literally do, like, five sets of 15.

I can, like, hold a 25-pound plate, whatever. You know, I can do a lot of them. Yeah, you're unstoppable. And that's say, whole five. And then also say hole six, seven, eight. It's even easier. You know, I can just do tons of them, like, the position. position when I go from literally I'm making up the numbers but I don't know which

hole it is but from hole five to hole four I go where I do sets of 15 that aren't even very hard to I can't do three or I can't do five and like with no way and I and I so I can do 15 with my hands like this and then when I go to one pin I put my hands like down on my legs like to get like as much weight uh behind you behind you as possible like you know you do like straight hands like you would do a nordic curl kind of to try and do that and i can like just get five of the hardest reps of my life and that is one change of the pinhole but it's that leverage point where i mean right because it goes like where your knee goes yeah from your from your knee instead of being like behind the pad to now it goes when it goes on the pad and

that is a difference you lose that leverage Yeah, because when it's behind, and that's how I've always done them. And when it's, it still works something, you know, it still does something. But it's not, when you can push you into it. So you have that, you have that thing you can push into where. Yeah. And with just that one more hole where you get actually on top of the pad, it makes it. Then it is very much like, it is like, it's just a Nordicirl at that point.

And it is really hard. So actually the way I've been using those is I start my set on that. I do like three. Then I move it back. Yeah. Then I move at one pin and do like a set of 10 or whatever the number is. But like I do X number at the really hard setting, then I, as quickly as I can move. It's like a drop set, I guess, mechanical drop set.

Yep. And I do like doing it that way because I can still get a decent amount of volume, but get some of those really hard ones in there first. Right. Yeah. It's not like you're going to do pull-ups and you can only do two. And it's like, well, how much did you get done today when you can only do two, you know? yeah so that is a and i just thought it's interesting that i'd never really tried it at those settings before because i think i never did times when i put it there i'm like well this is impossible

why that was always my mentality like no why would i do it right there yeah i'll just do the ones where i can get reps actually right but it is crazy when it it is the movement of one pin adjustment where it shifts completely like i don't know if it gets much harder if you go a little farther out or not maybe it does a little bit but there's just that one adjustment where it goes from zero to 100. Yeah, where that lever has finally moved to, yeah. Yeah, it's like you said you can't wedge your knee

behind the pad and then you're there's no support system you're on an island then just like the Nordic curl. All right, Nordic curl hacks. Big Nordic curl hack guys. Should we wrap this one up? I think so.

We got to save something for $4.92 and $493 for that matter. That's right. Yeah, we don't want to do it all this week. Also $494. Well, okay, well, then at that rate, then I guess we got a certain thing about $4.95 now. That's true.

I hadn't actually thought about that, but you are right, and then, yeah, I mean. I'll have to figure out whatever numbers after that. I don't know about that one. We don't want to think too far ahead, though. Get the cart before the horse. And you guys all know about the horses. Check out our horse stall mat gripper.

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the lights on tom he's got that light behind a minute yeah that thing just sucks the power down back here yeah we thought a peloton subscription is bad you should i got like run a generator to keep this light going all right tommy where do they find you out you find me at tomahawk underscore d you can follow me at tanner underscore bear just make sure to follow massanomics at massanomics see you Thank you.