Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 492: The BEST Thing We've Ever Done (Q&A Edition)

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

What is the BEST thing we've ever done at Massenomics? What are our best powerlfiting tips? Does anyone ever make any progress on assistance lifts? Is a power rack or combo rack better for a home gym? Find out answers to all of these and more on this episode! EliteFTS Use code MASS10 to save 10% on most orders! Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

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Social media, website, everything. Massonomics! Welcome, everyone, episode 492 of the Massonomics podcast, The Lifting Podcast, About Nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. We got a special one broadcasted this week from the corners of the Dakotas. That's not why it's special. We do that every single week.

This is special because this is a Q&A episode. We've got questions that have come in all day long from a whole bunch of We have more questions than we're ever possibly going to get to on this episode, but we will get through as many as possible. And Tommy, I know that you probably haven't seen any of these. There are some doosies in here. All right. So strap in as I begin to tell you about Texas power bars.

When buddy caps began lifting weights with Olympic bars in the 1960s, he quickly noticed the problems with the equipment. The nerdling was so light. and crappy that even when the bars were brand new, there was hardly any grip whatsoever. And after years and years and years of use, they became almost slick to the touch. They were greasy, you could almost say, to the touch.

The sleeves were made from three pieces, held together with some bale or twine, and God knows what else, and maybe a threaded end cap and a set screw, a design that often came loose and wore out over time. For lifters who were pushing themselves, this made training harder than it needed to be. buddy wasn't just a lifter he was also a texas state powerlifting champion and a skilled

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and uses discount code, massonomics. We do get a small kickback from that every month than any of our affiliates for that matter. If you check out the affiliates tab on our website, we've now made that tab easier to get to. All the podcast sponsors are on there as well as several other companies that make equipment, nutrition like Macrofactor Training like Juggernaut, pretty much every kind of equipment

you can think of from every company that's important in our eyes. You can find currently on our affiliate tab on our website. So go click on some, or Amazon even. Yeah, Amazon too. Yeah, I will say, kickback from that stuff. Tanner, our conversation regarding MacroFactor really resonated with a lot of people

because there was a lot of signups in the last month underneath the Massanomics name, like more than ever before. So enough that I actually said someone at MacroFactor this month when they were going through, you know, whether it was Jeff Nippered or, I don't know who

who else who else is there just someone had to have said what's with this massonomics code getting used so much but we were like we're I mean we're being truthful and honest like we I use I've been using the app for a year

and I've had a lot of success with it I've really enjoyed it Tanner hopped on it that I was just going to say today's day 30 of never missing a day I haven't not logged let me say this is a disgusting away as possible. I have not logged a single thing

that's gone in my mouth for the last 30 days. So everything's been accounted for, huh? Everything that's gone in this mouth has been recorded into the Macrofactor app. Much to their disgust, probably. Okay, so you are a month in at this point, which is a pretty good sample size. I mean, would you

say at this point, it's a pretty, the actual usage of the app is a pretty small part of your daily routine? Yes. Yes. I mean, do you spend... Especially as people know the way I eat, you know. That's what I'm saying. And you've become a little more familiar with the app. I mean, does it take you maybe a couple minutes a day in the app, and actually in the app? Probably it takes me, I spend more the time than that in the app because I'm looking at stuff. Yeah. You know,

because I'm enjoying these. Which typically with tracking, I think logging is the most tedious part. That part to me is maybe the, the quickest, easiest part of the entire app. And Jake the snake's comment, even a soggy cheerio from a toddler's hand. I meant. mentioned this before what using the app has done to me is I do not you can't easily log it you're not going to eat it I yeah I'm just like no I don't want to mess with putting this in I'm not eating it like literally that's a great example like a little bite of my kids the last bite of their pop tart or granola bar I'm like I don't want to put in one tenth of a pop tarp I'm not eating it it it's just easier not to eat it I know the feeling today we left Costco my boy wanted

a hot dog. He ate about three quarters of it. I'm like, I could finish this, but it's annoying to put in like one quarter of a Costco hot dog and a bun. So I'm like, nope, just won't do it. Yep. So I really like it. It's good. My calorie trajectory has come down a little bit

as it's more level-setted. I mean, I'm still at about 4,000, but instead of slightly above 4,000, I'm slightly below 4,000. I think my target now is 3,983. And I was like about 4,100 at the start. It's still not that much of a change, though.

No, in like three or four check-ins, it's just cumulity come down just a little bit. You know, as my expenditure, as it's like really figuring out probably what my daily expenditure really is. I mean, that's a difference of about 5%. I think you said it's about 200 calories. It's come down so far? A little less than a little, maybe just over 100. So not even 5%. It's like, oh, so it's actual initial guess on you was within,

was pretty about a couple percent of where it thinks you should be, which is also kind of surprising that it can be that right right off the if we're assuming it's got it right by now. But also it probably does. I've been weighing myself way more often than I used to also. And it is crazy how consistent that can be for me. Yeah, pretty much. Actually, there's like one I have,

we don't need to talk to the whole episode on. We'll save some of that for another episode. I said too much. Okay. But use discount code. macro factor if you're going to. Okay. There is one other piece of follow-up, though, that we got to get to, Tanner. And I'm dying to know. I'm dying to know. We talked about Pelotons last week. It was, it had some, there's a lot of discussion about it on the Discord

this week. Some good, some bad. Some Peloton people were coming out of the woodwork that we never knew existed all these years. What's your Peloton status? Yeah. So we talked, I, you had me very intrigued when we talked last week. You know, if you're listening, like, I mean, I, I think I'm always, I think we're always engaged with each other on whatever each of us have going on, especially in the podcast. You know, we're not just sitting here, going,

like, you're not telling me something interesting and I'm not over here like, uh, yeah, but I was asking questions because I was, you were getting me, my own gears turning a lot where I was like, I'm really interested in that, you know, like, I want answers here because that is a really interesting idea.

and it's just like what you said where you had never even thought paid a second thought to it. Never. Until watching Brandon's most recent video. I have to say, even with having seen some of his content in the past, I'd still never paid a second thought to it.

It's like I went brain dead when that thing appeared. Like my brain just like came to after it was done. Like, oh, what happened? Where am I? Yeah. And it wasn't until you said a couple of the right things that all of a sudden I was like,

wait a second. Yeah, that makes some sense to me. You know, like some of these things are piecing together. So we recorded last week on probably Tuesday. I think it was Tuesday night, yeah. Yeah, by Friday I had a Peloton. So that's how that. And I mean, one just popped up in the backyard.

So it was too hard to deny. I was watching a couple in Sioux Falls and one on Watertown. And I'm like, I could make either of these work. I got to, you know, we're doing some Assonomics stuff down there real soon. I could figure this out. And then one popped up for the right price. right in western northeast south dakota actually it was way overpriced and i was about ready to let lowball the guy and not low ball actually just offer him what is fair and then i that night i of

course when you're doing stuff like this you're checking all the time so i rechecking him like ah he dropped the price by three hundred fifty dollars he's actually right on the money a little bit cheaper than these other ones and i can just drive over to his house and grab it tomorrow so we made the deal, bought it, um, got toe cage pedals for it. It actually had toe cage pedals on it already.

I bought different toe cage pedals because I didn't think, didn't realize it was going to have those. So I've tried both and I actually like the ones I bought better and they're only $30. So I'm like, okay, I'm keeping these ones. And, uh, I really thought that the toe cage would be a problem like that I'm like, oh, I need the shoes. And I'm like, this is probably,

you feel like you're locked in with them. And yeah, the one I have now are two-sided so I can still get the shoes and not have to change the pedals. But I'm like, honestly, the tow cage is pretty good, pretty good for me. And I don't know, performance-wise, I've beaten the shit out of most of the people online

that are doing it. So I'm like, I don't know what, you know, if that's any indicator. I don't know what the, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But I'm like, and for people that don't know, like I just, Tanner and I've kind of talked about a little bit about this. You were sending me some messages like,

hey, I'm looking at this Peloton. Like, does this seem to check out with what you know? And then, like, I was on vacation. And then one day I just get a screenshot and you're like,

I might live on this thing. And it was like nine workouts in. I'm like, wait a minute. What's going on here? So I've been doing like three a day. Not that long ones. I don't know if we talk.

Now that I understand it more, I don't know how long ones you do. But I, I'm been selecting, I either like 15 or 20 minute rides on there. If I'm going to hop on the bike for an actual workout, I've been doing 20 minutes is what I've been doing. Okay.

I didn't know if you were going to say you do 30 or 45 or something like that. I think at some point maybe I would. Oh, right now. It'd be fun to do that. It actually would. Does it need to dedicate more time to it at that point? I have tried several different forms of the rides. I've done climb rides.

I've done tabadas. I've done, there's like some hill ones they have in there. Yeah. And then I do get caught up watching how I'm ranking compared to everyone all time that's on those files. Isn't that the thing? Isn't that the thing? is looking at that number? That's the thing. The other thing is because like we have a spin bike at the gym. I would never use the stupid thing. Right. I just wouldn't. I still wouldn't. There's

no way. I'm like, I'm not going to get on and like there's no way I can make myself do something on that that's of any significance. But following the class where they're constantly telling you the resistance and the cadence. Right. They're kind of doing the programming for you. Right. They're doing the programming, which it's something I completely want nothing of for that. And I do enjoy it. And they keep it just fun enough too, right? Yes, it is fun enough. And I have found a couple of instructors and I'm like, okay, this person's kind of funny to me a little bit.

And I do like, like every time, like I like the chase of a good class that has a soundtrack I like. You know, I'll click on them being like, oh, what's the soundtrack for this? Yeah, because you can see that in there. So you know what you're in store for. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So I do like it. It is kind of silly the whole concept, especially from Massonomics, but I, like just for like a little bit of cardio, I think it's pretty sweet. I'm not going to do it three times a day forever, but I'm really like, I just want to, I'm going to really give myself like a real, real test on it and see. Yeah, to just see what I really think about this. I also like, I've tried this too. It's kind of fun. I can, you can go to entertainment and you can put on like, you. You can put on like, you. YouTube or Netflix or whatever, but then you don't have to just ride.

You put on YouTube and then you still select a type of class. And while you're watching YouTube, it's still got the cadence. Oh, I didn't realize that. You just don't have an instructor telling you, talking to you. Okay. So it's still getting a instructor of music. Yeah. So it still can have you.

See, I just assumed it was just all Netflix on the screen. No. Oh, okay. I didn't get that. No. So it's actually a really cool feature because I did, I do that. at night when I'm just, you know, when I'm winding down and I'll do like a restorative ride, which is just essentially an easier ride. And I'll be like, oh, I'm going to, like I popped

on. I wanted to watch the Dr. Mike and Thor video that they had. And I'm like, oh, this is 25 minutes. I'm going to do a 25 minute ride and watch this. And it's pretty sweet. Yeah. Okay. So that, the thing is freaking heavy. Isn't it though? You probably told me that. I didn't understand. And I was like, Holy crap. Yeah. Like I had to carry it in the house up the stairs by myself and like carrying a Peloton. It's not easy. It's so unwieldy.

Like it's just awkward enough that it is a challenge to move. Yeah. Yeah, luckily I didn't have to carry mine up any stairs, but it would be a challenge to do that. The having got it, set it up, use it, all that stuff's really cool. It's really fun. I like, I suppose I like it. It calls to me because I. I don't know if this is a parent on the podcast,

but I have like a competitive nature so that I'm like, okay, yeah, like I don't want to just do cardio, but if you're going to put other people in front of me, that's what I think makes it fun. I really do. Like, that's to me the thing that does it is. And even there, like today,

so I was, you know, I got mine, got to use like three times. Then I was on vacation for a week. Yeah. And so today was the first day I could get back to it. And I never noticed this, but even when you're going, it's like, oh, your best,

your PR for a 20 minute ride is this amount. And then it's like showing if you're keeping on pace where normally I would have been going a little slower. I'm like, well, I can't let my PR from a week ago just like, I got to keep pace with that thing. And there was a few times I was falling behind. So then I make it up. And then at the end, I'm like 10 seconds. I'm like one off and I'm like full on sprinting. I'm like, oh, yeah, got the PR by one.

Okay, here we go. I do like how it shows you actively your PR for that. And it's a PR because I do different, I've done several different times. So it keeps a PR for every duration of, okay. Yeah, it keeps your 15 minute PR, PR, a 20 minute PR, or 25 you know any of those uh i think for me i'm sure gonna i'll for sure go in phases of it like i do with any of the cardio stuff that where i use it more and use it less and stuff the really only downside of the whole thing to me is the subscription cost and i know we talked

about it and you even said the same thing after getting yours and i'm just like it's just it's pretty expensive for most people like that like there's just not a lot of subscription services that are 40 dollars a month like that is right's the thing like it is pretty much the most expensive subscription that's out there. Okay, and Jake mentioned it. What we have noticed there are several crew members that have come out that they do

have Pelotons. You know, Paul brought it up. I think mostly squat video, Matt, there's been several other here. So I do think we are, be on the lookout for anyone that's a Peloton owner. We are going to have to, we'll schedule it, you know, at least a week in advance, so

anyone that wants to can prepare, but we're going to do a virtual. Dude, I think that would be so fun. right. Masonomics peloton ride. It's just so funny to even think about that. Yes. That'd be good. We will get that lined up at some point.

Maybe we'll make it like a quarterly thing or something like that. Just people going all out for 20 minutes. And I don't know what you get. I don't know how the communication works. I don't either. That's sort of thing. But we'll figure it out on the phone or what. But yeah, we'll figure that out at some point.

Maybe we can all like watch 1979 World Strongest Man together. Like it starts the same. time for everyone. Yeah, with a class going on in the back. You know, we got to like toughen it up a little bit. Yes. Before, one more thing before we get in the Q&A and then we'll probably have to come back to touch some of the other things.

But you just got back from the big trip. I did. It wasn't just on your Peloton. No, maybe one, maybe we should say it for the end because I could probably just go on too long, but maybe we'll save that for more of the end. We can. Well, when we have several other topics here, so it'll be. Maybe we'll just have to save a bunch of stuff for the next episode.

A couple of these topics are actually related to the trip, so I can knock a few of those out at one time. Okay. I would. Yeah, we'll get to a couple of these things. Yeah, we'll get to a couple of those things that we'll get to them through questions. Because there are some things that I definitely don't want to give a crew gift update, a horse stall mat, gripper update and some of those things.

But we'll get to them through via questions, probably, I think. So you guys submitted questions on our Instagram story. we're going to get through as many as possible here some will be probably pretty quick answers some will be pretty long answers we have not done a Q&B episode like this for a while so it should be fun question one

wait do you have some music to bring us in on this okay of course Q&A need to wet my whistle before we get going here what are you drinking over there that is a Kirkland signature grapefruit sparkling water.

That's what I thought I heard. I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm a bit of a rambling man myself. I know, they are. I'm rambling on... Every time I see it. Down with a lemon lime rambler. If you weren't jealous before, you sure are now. It's just the finest things in life over there. Oh, my God.

It's gotten even better. Mother of God. All right. Question one from Waffle Iron Jim. Just taking these in orders. that they're written down here. When are you buying the Hammer Strength H squat? Legosaurus.

Like if one popped up in South Dakota, you'd probably get it, wouldn't you? They cost many thousands of, like, they might cost like $8,000. Like, that's how much they,

like people won't even price them. Is that really an excuse? That being said, I'd be strong, I'd be really figuring out how I make it happen. Let's say one popped up in Sufaxon. Falls out of nowhere like I mean and what's the price let's say the what is the price because it's Sioux Falls let's say the price is $10,000 I don't think I could spend $10,000 you can bring yourself

to do it on that one I don't think so that is a lot of money if it was a lot $5,000 I would probably figure out a way to I think 5,000 you have to just purely as an investment you can buy that have it for a year and be like yeah this is taking up too much space in the gym probably sell it for 10 Brandon says it does more than one thing right right? Yeah, you can climb on it and lay on it. Well, Big Nate, Bairde called me out, didn't I just get $100,000 worth of gym equipment for free? That is true.

So I guess, there you go. Playing with house money. Gary wants to know how we'd get it down the stairs. Well, hopefully it comes in a lot of pieces. That's like the least of the worries, I think. Yeah. Okay. This next one is from Big Curd.

He says, with all the buzz around horse stall Matt Grippers, what are your two's favorite other tests of grip strength? I didn't know there was any other ones. There's others. Yeah, wow, I'll have to think about that. Okay, I'm not, so with all this being said, I'm not a huge grip guy, so I'm definitely not the best person to ask here.

But I actually do like the, what's it, the dynamometer? What's that thing called? That's close enough to me. I like that because it gives every, like you can't fail at it. Like everyone gets a number. And it does that number thing.

and everyone can kind of relate to, you know, if just the average person grabs it and let's say they get 100, and you're like, oh, I know a guy that did 160. And they're like, what once? Like it instantly gives people that feeling of like how. So I do think that is a really fun tool for people. It gives them that instant feedback. I think that's a good one.

I do like the blobs from a classic sense. Like I think they're really cool in that way. Yeah. But the thing with the blobs is, I don't know. Like, yes, grip is a part of it, but also having big hands is an enormous part. of that one too. Yes.

That's the case for like 50% of, at least of the grip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the crushers. I mean, I like the crushers. But if you're saying top two, the crushers wouldn't be or group, like those wouldn't be in my top two.

Gary called you out. You like the blobs for the history. Well, they look cool though. They do like they do look cool. But you historically. That actually is a bad reason to say it. But they do look cool. The big piece is just this big blob.

And like you can pick it up and then the next person literally can't, you know, rock it at all. So I think, I think, and it seems so unassuming. You're like, well, yeah, it's just like a little rock, you know. That's what I think is cool about those. What am I missing? What else would be a good? Like, I'm not going to say a hang.

Like a hang of any kind isn't a, um. Yeah, and like the Rolling Thunder. or someone said that. Like, that one's not, I mean, it's cool, but that one's, again, not show, I don't know. I guess I'll go, I'll go, what did I say first before blobs? Oh, dynamometer and blobs. I'll say those two. Yeah, that's always been fun.

That's been fun in our experience. I was thinking as you were talking and my spin on it is I know what I like. This is going to, the first part's going to sound as a joke, but then I'll give you my explanation as to why. So what I like as a test of the grim strength is a 10 rep max, double overhand Texas power bar deadlift. I knew that was coming the second you said it's a joke and I thought that's the part that would sound as a joke. But what I actually like about that, what I like about grip events are ones that also are strength. They're not, yes, where you also just, it's a combination of grip and strength.

or like total body, not that grip isn't strength, but it's a combination of other attributes of your strength. So it's like a squat is a leg exercise, but it's also a total body effort. You know, it's not a leg press where you just. Right, right. So that's like, and I feel like the double overhand, I like that one, 10 rep max.

I think that's a pretty good one, to be honest. Because it's just like kind of a grueling challenge. One or 10 rep. I like the 10 rep. The 10 rep is way more of an interesting challenge. One rep is, that's the thing with the grip stuff. So much of it, it's just, you get it or you don't. It's, it's done over so quick.

Right, right. I like the 10 rep max double overhand, Texas power bar deadlift is the greatest grip test. That separates the wheat from the chaff. Beyond that, the Golden Pee Grip Gauntlet Challenge was the single greatest. grip event ever held at one time. I think the Thomas inch dumbbell looks cool. That does.

There you go. But it's the 10 rep double overhand deadlift. I would accept a one rep double overhand deadlift, but I like it on a, I think it's on a barbell, not an axle. Is the better, the more interesting test

to me. Yeah, because they're actually, you're not testing your strength really in all of you. No, you're testing how, you know, how bigger hands are in part to end your grip strength but yeah hand size is much more a factor not your deadlift strength because nobody can deadlift enough on an axle double

overhand for the strength to really matter that much okay next one this is from the stapler if cost wasn't an issue what's something you would sell under the massonomics name oh okay

it's kind of an outside the box question here yep If cost wasn't an issue, you could just do it. Hmm. Well, I mean, I could just say something crazy that's expensive, but it's like, well, would that actually make sense for massonomics? What makes sense for massanomics is stuff in the fitness and strength training space. And so I don't know if if cost was an issue, would you get more in,

would you get more into like workout gear? equipment of some kind like bigger stuff maybe but I also don't really want to be in that space too bad either though you know so yeah right um

god if cost wasn't do you have anything good no not really because I don't think the cost of much of anything that we would potentially solve what's holding us back yeah there's not anything that's holding us back on cost right now really

um yeah I don't know on that one maybe a massonomics electric car yeah that's what we're missing it's an electric car I don't have a good answer on that one pass I'm gonna pass whenever I don't

can't think of something good okay next one Brandon Doyle if everyone stays healthy will Tommy and Tanner be competing at the Lift Hard Live Easy 4 pass

uh no every the one we're going to say pass this show we got done with quick um I don't know possibly it's hard to say right now it's a long ways out but it would be fun too yeah i presumably probably will i would say there's a greater than 50% chance that i would if you can just get off that peloton to compete good luck you're gonna drag my dead cold body off

that thing after the legs will still be spinning they're going to wheel tanner out on the peloton everyone's gonna watch them do a 30 minute ride i'm gonna i'm gonna announce the meat from the the peloton between the platforms. He just won't get off it the whole time he's sitting up there just spinning. Fit Matt, fat, Matt. What has been the fastest someone has reached the Hall of Fame status? I do not know the official answer to that. Some people, like the second it came out, they were already there.

Yeah, that's the tricky part of it. Yeah, like there was, there was, you know, we released it in mind. Like we were doing the calculations in our head of like, yeah, we know there's going to be some people that have 10 checkmarks the second this product exists. But what was it? The fastest someone reached the Hall of Fame. Yeah. I mean, some people were in the Hall of Fame, I think the day it came out, weren't they?

Right, right. So if we exclude that from counting, like Jake says eight months from the point of becoming a supporting member, he made the Hall of Fame. and Garrett was a little bit after that, possibly. So I would say about eight months, not counting the people that were in the Hall of Fame the second the program came out because they already had done all the things,

people that became supporting members and then started their journey eight months, which is actually pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, a little less than a year. But, yeah, if, if, though, you let's say, came to Masonomics in the last month, month you know you had no history of massonomics that would be hard to get there it would be hard to get there in less than a year because even jake you know if he says he's late to it well he still purchased

many matches you know before he even did anything right you know what i'm saying whereas right yeah you literally last week was the first podcast you ever listened to and you're like you know what i don't know what they're talking about but i want it on this like it's going to take you at least a year to get in the hall of fame yeah i would think too unless you're ready to do some traveling and spend some money. Even then it's going to be tough. You know, you're going to have to listen to 400 episodes of the podcast. You're going to have to order 10 items, order online, 10 different times. Travel to the Arnold, come to Aberdeen and compete. You could do it. You could, but that's what I'm saying. You'd have to do some traveling

and spend some like actual money to get there. Yeah. Big Joey says if you could pick one hype man for a big lift, dead or alive, real person or fictitious anyone that you want to hype you up for one big lift who would it be it's a tricky one because that one's starting to feel like it matters less and less to me as time goes on you know whereas before I've been really jacked for a hype man and I'm like no leave me alone I can do it myself you know

um ah one hype man I mean it's cliche but it would be pretty freaking sweet for Arnold to be like yeah like Arnold's there and we're doing this. I'm like, why is Arnold here? You know, that would be cool. I don't know. That's not a very good answer, but what do you got?

Well, in that vein, I could say Ronnie Coleman. Well, that, you know. And that would be cool, too. There you go, Ronnie Coleman. I guess most practically speaking, I would just pick Mount Rossmore because, I mean, he's kind of a good hype man. The old go to experience. Yeah, I would just keep it local and, you know, don't break,

don't fix it if it ain't broken. That's what I would say. A few people saying C.T. Fletcher, yeah, he'd fit the bill pretty good, too. Keith asked Larry. No, I wouldn't pick Larry as my hype man. No. Ross and Adam in the gym are hype men. They are.

Adam really likes to get going. Yeah. Home gym, Harry. What side of the upright should the numbers go on? Well, like in what way does he mean here, though? Not sure. I guess front or back or side or left or right. Or is you saying, or when you're looking at the upright,

is it on the left or right side of the upright? Like is it aligned to the left of the upright or the right of the upright? Is that what he's saying? Oh, maybe that's what he's saying. I thought he meant like what face of the upright. I mean, it seems like. You're saying what side of the whole? To me, it feels like it should go on the front and back,

not the side if we're talking about that. Right. But if he's saying, then you're saying like to the left of the hole or the, or wait. Yeah, like I guess outside or inside. of hole. Right. Like, is he saying when you're looking

at the upright, the hole, should the number be to the left or right of the hole? Is that what he's saying? Maybe, let's say that

that's what he's saying. So then what's your answer to that? Um, but you can't say left or right because it depends on which upright you're looking at. You wouldn't you say outside or inside or,

or because on one upright is it going to be, are they both going to be on the left? I don't know. Like that would be weird. I never thought about that hard. How do they, but the uprights are probably interchangeable. So they probably have to be like that,

right? Well, in this world maybe we can pick um i'm just gonna see i can actually see a picture of mine because i can't even picture how mine are now that's the beauty of having your uh a home gym is that you almost never really move things around because it's just set and uh don't got to mess with it so it looks like on mine my holes are on the left side of the upright on both they're on the left side yes See, that's kind of odd to me.

No, no, no, no, sorry, sorry. No, they're just, when I'm looking at the front of this rack, they're on the left, and then when it's, oh, they're only show this rack from one angle. So I just think they're on the, yeah, I would assume they're on the left and then on the other side, they're on the right. I don't know.

But, I mean, there's not like a left and a right, upright, I don't think. Well, but actually, it kind of is because on the bells of steel one, they have a little BOS engraved, and technically you would put that facing out. So, like, this sort of is a correct way to put on. Yeah, I mean, you could technically do it however you want, but that is how I have it. Is that that, I believe that BOS, yeah,

the BOS logo is only on the outside. So if you put that on the outsides, that would then may possibly make everything on the left, which it probably does, actually. I don't have a huge preference on the... I think most are on the left, aren't they? on the left and the left everything you own in a box to the left I'm very curious on a rogue rack where I want to see in the picture here what these

ones look like so here we have me some zoom here come on yeah and the rogue ones are on the left too maybe everyone puts them on the left all right so I think in in Europe they put them on the right oh yeah because they drive on the other side of the road so they'd get confused if it wasn't. Yep, that makes sense. And in Australia, they spin the other direction. Yeah, they're just upside down.

That's why that ATX machine is so confusing. The numbers are on the wrong side. That's right. Big Mad Cow says, now that Kevin is done with his deadlift research, can we have him look into how many is four reps? He should. Where did I just see?

Oh, I like this. The Elite FTS had a teaser for a podcast with Chris Duffin coming up. And in the description, it was, he's the first man ever. Four reps. A thousand pounds for reps. And I'm like, yes, that's great. Actually. Classic use.

Yeah. I have no idea if he did two or ten, but it does say for reps. So four reps. Great. Well done. Perfect little sweetie. If you had to trade certified training facilities with anyone, who would it be and why? with anyone maybe i kind of want to limit this to certified training facilities we've been

to yeah it's kind of almost the only way to be able to do it hardly yeah well i guess some other ones that you might know very well from things too yeah like i mean obviously the just all-star gyms are going to be on the list hose is like i mean come Brandon. That's the same. Jose Brandon. Like pretty damn tough to beat either one of those right there. Like, yeah.

Most people seeing those gyms, actually seeing those in person, would just blow their mind because, I mean, even when you see it on the internet, it's really cool. But actually being in there is just a whole another thing. What about gym home? Big Curd says Jim home, Juji. Well, Juji is in a certified training facility, though.

Oh, true. That's right. Because that was the first thing that came by mind. Because that actually is the dream. I mean, I remember we're sitting there at one point. And I think I said to you, like, this, this is what it's all about. You just sit here long enough and eventually you're either doing competitions or you're lifting again. Or guys can be lifting while you're hanging out and no one's in anyone's way.

It's pretty tough to beat. That is, I mean, that is an amazing gym. Jose is obviously an answer. A lot of people could pick. I could also spin it, you know, I would say when we're in Temecula, Calais. California in the evening and it's like 70 degrees in January. I'm like, well, I could trade for Andrew Garrison's if you get the, you get the, this is kind of just what you get all year is essentially this.

Like that's pretty tough to beat too because I know about January, February, when you're getting those days of negative 30 here, the heater can barely keep up with like 40, 50 degrees. Darko. Darko is a super impressive too. Yeah. a lot of right answers. Yeah, I mean, there's actually, I would say this.

If it's a certified training facility, there's no wrong answer. That's right. From Big Joey E. When is the big Pacific Northwest gym tour tour planned? Well, I was just there, so I got to have a little time before I go back. But, yeah, we'll have to look. I mean, that'd be a cool spot to go hit up some tours. It's definitely a potential stop in the list.

no plan for it yet. We have our big East Coast one coming up soon. We have a crew fall. We have a South Dakota one coming up actually really soon to get some more South Dakota ones in the books. And those are the only two definitively trips, gym tour trips planned as of now, but can say that there will be more coming very soon. Yeah. From B Strong Dad.

What do you consider? the best thing you guys have have ever done massonomics related boy the best thing you've ever really having to narrow down yeah let's I would say probably you know you could say it's the friends we made along the way the joke of that that you know that's a joke but it is the community like we created the community but if I said things more specifically the greatest thing we've ever done it's probably like the lift hard live easy classic because i don't think i really believe there is not anything else like that in strength sports in the world like nobody has that same thing that we that same type of thing that we have with the lift hard live easy classic

and people that have been to it before will get that and want to understand that if you haven't been there you probably don't really know what i mean by that but uh it's almost like an unreplicated thing that we created through massonomics that really nobody else uh nobody else has i would totally agree with that and i would also say if you're looking through the lens of the best thing we've ever done i could give you several bests for different reasons like i would say actually as far as the company's concerned one of the best things we ever did was starting a discord when we did start a discord starting the discord starting the discord when we started the podcast when we started the podcast are probably the two of the best things we ever did absolutely and i would also say

that when we actually decided to start making weekly YouTube videos, like that decision just on that face value isn't like the best decision ever, but now looking at what that's done for us from an online traction and marketing and just traffic standpoint, now a couple years later of doing that. And the trips that and like the doors that's opened and the things it's done, like those, that is one of the best decisions we ever made. I would also say along those lines like me starting a home gym was also one of the best decisions I ever made because it really opened up

some of the content options for us to just different possibilities. So there's a lot of things you can say were the best things ever for different reasons. I agree. Do you think we should do supporting our supporting members and certified training facility of the week? Yeah, why don't we? A couple ads. Yep. Okay, supporting our supporting members is now, maybe you guys haven't heard about this. It's a relatively new

segment to the Massonomics podcast. It's where we give back to those that support us. Supporting the Massonomics podcast, but becoming a supporting member officially is the number one way that you can support us. And yes, I said support 17 times. Massanomics.com slash join

is where you can go to get more information on joining up. Or just go on our homepage. We almost made it so you can't miss it now. You can't not see. And the biggest update here is we have received now most of what's going out

in this next big crew mailer. So the line in the sand, I don't know that we still, we don't have to officially set the date until we have everything in hand. But I feel like the line in the sand date is going to be in September in the month that we're in pretty much, right?

Like, it's probably going to be in September. Unless there's some crazy shipping delay, yeah, it should be in September. Right. So if you're on the fence about becoming a supporting member, get signed up now when you're hearing this, because that means you still barely just have time to get in before this big definitive line in the sand. And I got to say, I actually have some of the stuff right here off of camera.

It is very cool. This is going to be very fun. It's going to be a little interactive for everyone, I think, in a way. And it's going to be very fun to see what everyone receives specifically when this big mailer goes out. Also, this is going to be an enormous mailer to get right. ready in comparison to even the last time that we didn't want. So it will be interesting to see the enormous pile of letters going out when we do actually have all these ready.

So the line in the sand is coming very soon. Get signed up now. And we just appreciate if you signed up because, like I said, there is no better way that you can support and help keep the lights on here. This week, supporting our supporting members, Big J.B. participated in the Marketplace Relay for Big Mad Cow. by getting a piece of used equipment. He got it to Mad Cow.

Coincidentally, the seller had a certified training facility. Oh. So it was like this three-way supporting member certified training facility thing. And I think it was for daisy chains. Perfect. No, it wasn't daisy chains. It was Roller Jacobs. But I like to think there was also daisy chains.

It probably was. There probably was. Yeah. Yeah. Big Lavender Whale was at Highland Games this last week. to cheer on Big Scantz who was competing there. Big Keegan went nine for nine in his meat

and hit provincial qualifying totals with a 580 kilogram total for Big Keegan. No one has any idea what any of those words mean, but it's got to be sweet. It sounds Canadian to me. Big spicy pizza received an award, a prestigious award he's been named

Menard's team member of the month no way yeah team member of the month win that award these days I guess so three hip hip hip raised for spicy pizza and home gym Harry is he has his curl timber

event running now you can check him out at home gym underscore Harry it's curl timber I think it's a bunch of curling for the month of September and there's a bunch of prizes that they're going to be giving away so check out home gym harry there and big dan mercer was this week's guest on unpaid and underrated supporting our supporting members thanks nice everyone i guess we need our

certified training facility map up yeah what do you what are you feeling what are you in the mood for here uh did the main one we were always wait we got main in australia did either of them submit pictures because those are both the main one no i thought we had main i was i thought it was like Vermont or something that we were I guess this main one does have photos though maybe that was it the new mexico one does that one have photos I know for sure that one was missing no none there I mean there is one in Maine with photos maybe that was the one that maybe that was the one I guess we could just do that one no matter what yeah let me see so it does have some photos you're telling me there's photos actually yeah there's there's

some there's some not worthy items here I think this would be a good one okay so we're going to main it's our only one in main what is it called here big al's garage gym in main all right what are we seeing in big al's garage gym so first thing we have is a rack and i'm seeing drink spotters in it red rack with drink spotters i mean that's the most important thing right there a good start right off yeah he's got a transformer bar in there i see some rogue uh Mono arms for the rack, which is those, that's the newer style, right? Yours are a little different than those, aren't they? Yeah, those, these newer styles better than the ones I have.

They're a lower profile, or at least they look better. I can tell you that much. Yeah, it looks like you'd be a little less likely to rip your head off on them like you can on the other ones. Yes. And then is this, is this some type of hot tub, cold plunge tub of some kind behind the back there? I was guessing it's like a cold plunge tub. Yeah, I don't know totally what that is. Maybe we'll find out more as the photos go on because there are several photos here.

Hot dog heater in the garage. So this is a garage gym. See the hot dog heater on photo number two? Dead giveaway there. What about his spotter arms on the front of his rack? Are those any particular brand of spotter arms? Or not necessarily. No, that's not jumping out at me as anything particular.

I don't know for sure there. Yeah, I like that he has a dedicated picture of the hot dog heater. They'll represent there in the garage. And underneath it, you can just see the very corner of a curl bar hanging from the wall. The easy circle bars don't get that treatment of hanging, you know, That's true. It's got its own wall-mounted hangar there for the silver, easy curl bar. You know how it's getting some respect there.

King of the castle, king of the castle. Exactly. Photo number three outside, we have some posts with pull-up bars on it. The uneven bars. We got two different levels of pull-up bars outside, so that's cool. Photo four, we're back to the rack. We have a custom belt that says big Al on it. It looks like we got some stranko plates on there, right?

Oh, yeah, Strainco plates. Smooth, easy grip made in the USA, black e-coded. I think that says rep on the bench. I think it's a little hard to tell, but I think it says a rep down there. So flat, a red. Always has been a rep bench. Yeah, I mean, is it a home gym with the bench? It's a rep one.

So we got a red bench there. Photo number five, we got, looks like an Atlas Stone, right? Yep, we're back outside. We're going all over on this journey. So we do have outdoor training areas. That's good. Photo number six, we have another Atlas Stone outside. And the patio.

Yeah, then there's a patio there. With a pergola. He's got a pergola on his patio. Are you familiar with pergolas? I am familiar with it, actually. It's like a real classy place with that setup. Photo number seven, we're back in the gym again, back in the garage. We have a rogue echo bike.

I'm trying to see if there's anything else. Dog kennel. Is that a mold for the stones back there? Yeah, that is. to the right of the echo bike, just to the off to the side. I can't quite tell. That's a black frame of something. It looks like the

badge on the bottom says Everlast. Does he have some type of like speed bag or something? Oh, maybe it's a punching bag or something there, yeah. Yeah, he must. That must be what that is, but you can't see it. Maybe photo eight will tell us. Oh, photo eight. Back outside. We got tires. We got tires. Full circle for the flipping tires. Yeah.

All right. That was a journey. That was. So this was big al's. What is it? Remind me here. Big Al's garage gym. Well, we knew it was a garage gym. It was right in the title.

He gave us the answers to the test. He did. Yeah. It wasn't trying to throw us off. Last thing I'm really curious about, though, but I don't know if we did cover. Do you think he could get strong here in this gym? Oh, hell.

Yeah. Not only we're getting strong in there. We're going to get strong out of the gym too because there's stuff outside. So it's an inside outside thing. It's like Big Al's garage gym oasis. This is what I'm saying. This place is a strength oasis. Yes, it is.

speaking of certified training facilities by the time this came out our most recent YouTube video was the tour of the Roost it comes out tomorrow as when we're recording but it'll be the Roost certified training facility home gym tour and it's a very fun one

so if you haven't watched any of it yet Tanner I've only watched like the first minute or two and I am liking it so far And the inside baseball, as we talked about this before, but the last few videos, we have a new intro format. And I feel like the intro format really comes together well in this, the Roost home gym tour.

Yep. A little level, extra level of polish. Make sure to check it out. Leave us a comment in there. Let us know what you think of the gym tour of the Roost. That was our certified training facility of the week. I also want to make sure this week that you head over to EliteFTS.com.

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But then I just wonder if it's because you've heard me say it, though. I don't know. It's one of those things you never think about it. Phenetically, you could, you could, you could picture it being cambered. Yeah. It's one of those things you never think about it. And now that you do, I actually can't even, I just can't picture,

that's a tough one for me. I'm not sure. Yeah. So it's camber or camber. What do you think? Camber. We're never wrong. That's right.

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Misery. Put us out of our misery. Get them out of here. You know what I just realized. I can just put them all in the waiting room and then I don't have to do a double click to report them. Oh. But then I have this. I put Trond in the waiting room on accident. He can just stay there forever, I guess.

He's in Massanomics podcast purgatory now. We'll never see Tron again. Wait, what happened? Was I supposed to be in here? We're at Crew Falls. Where's Tron? Oh, he's still in the waiting room. Nobody's Tommy never let him out.

left that waiting room it's like actually i didn't even think this i almost just said this it's like tron yeah it kind of is actually some weird it's like the movie some weird digital place that he can't yes yes i don't know if my head just drew that uh parallel there but that's really is what it's like isn't it sure is tron tron you can't tron a tron just watch us 757. Best powerlifting meat tips. Let's just say best, we'll each give them one tip. What's your one best power lifting meat tip? And is this assuming you're going in having probably never done a meat before? I think so. I think that that's the angle I would take on it is what's your best piece of advice for some that's never done one before? I would say this. You've never

done a meet. So everything is a meat PR and go in and just try to hit as many lifts. as you can like it's not going to be a fun first meet to go three for nine or four for nine um just go it'd be way funer to go in with a little extra in the tank than to miss four lifts so that's what i would just say like play your first one kind of conservative have fun with it like you're you're unless unless you actually are like coming out to set world records on your first attempt uh your first meet which would be really weird just go have fun like it's your first meet you shouldn't really you'll look if this if this is something you like you're going to look back and be like, oh, my first meet, that was fun.

I'm glad I did that. You know, like, you're not going to be like, oh, man, my first meet numbers, man. Like, you don't want to be the person that's, like, just all hyped on your first meet numbers. So, yep, that's good. I would say, not that much different than that. I would say, make sure to just make, just let it be fun, have fun doing it. And don't be afraid to meet some friends when you're doing it.

You know, if you're not going with a, like, don't not talk to anyone. Like talk to some people when you're warming up that you're lifting with and make some friends out of it because I, there's people I've, you know, done competitions with and you're friends with them a decade later because just you shared the lifting experience together that day. It is a pretty good test for people that if you do actually a strength competition of any kind with someone, there's a difference between someone that just doesn't talk much. Like some people during a meet won't be very talkative, but afterwards they might be very talkative. But there's a difference between someone that's not very talkative, doesn't want to talk a whole lot versus someone that is an actual asshole. And like you, as time goes on, you're running to both and you realize like, oh, no, just on meat day, he's kind of in his zone. He's kind of quiet. And then like, also this guy is an asshole and annoying.

And you're like, yep, I know who I'm going to spend my time with when it, or who I'm going to be around when it comes to it. So that's something to pay attention to. Big Ryan said, what is a job? You couldn't be paid any reasonable amount of money to do. anything that comes to your mind, basically a job you wouldn't do for any... Well, the definition comes down to what's a reasonable amount of money. Right, that's kind of like, that's the thing. You know, is it a reasonable?

It's like there's almost a price for anything, right? Are we talking like the median salary in the country? Or are we just talking about like... There would be a lot of jobs I wouldn't want to do. Yeah, it's like, oh, well, I don't know, a CEO gets paid like a million dollars. I'll take 700. That's pretty reasonable. Yeah, right. Um...

Boy, but a job that I would just have a really hard time taking with any amount of money. I don't know. It'd be really hard to be a public school teacher. It'd be a really hard job to do. Like there's definitely roles you get in. That would be good. But that would be a challenging job to be in. But I don't know if I have a great answer.

I'm just thinking of things I'm unqualified for, you know. That's what I keep coming back to too. Couldn't go be a medical doctor because I just like, well, I'd be so, stressed out because I'd be like, I don't know what I'm, what's going on. You know, that's not my, uh, and I don't feel like even with the proper training, would I, you know, some of that stuff. If I was like to perform surgeries, I feel like that's not something I would enjoy, even if, uh, I had the proper training, like a high level of anxiety in some of that

stuff for me. Yeah, that, that's a tricky one. Okay. This next one's from Tom's buddy, Nate. What is Tommy's least favorite font? And what is his most favorite font? Actually, two very good questions there. Least favorite, this will sound cliche,

but I mean, Comic Sans does suck. Like, it's, you can't actually use it unless you're using it in a self-aware way. You know, like basically your permissions are, okay, are you doing something for children? Then you could maybe use it, but even there, it's pretty played out. Otherwise, it's like, no one uses it in a serious way. Like you're using it to intentionally make something look bad is pretty much where comic sands is at at this point.

Favorite fonts. It's hard to stay away from a good sans-sariff. And, you know, if we're talking about print, you know, there's different licensing issues with websites versus print because you can't use, like you have to own fonts in a different way to put them on a website versus in a print format. But like if we're working on a design piece,

it's pretty hard to deny some just good, like, Helvetica, like it just works. It's pretty classic. Also, there's a ton of variations of Helvetica. That's what I was going to say. Like, you can just stay within Helvetica and almost achieve any. That's what makes it so good is like, do you need like a really bold, narrow headline? You got Helvetica narrow in, yeah, condensed in all these different ways.

Do you want something that just looks massive? There's Helvetica extended or wide, extra wide. Like, if you have the full set, like the full set of it might have like a hundred different font weights in it. And you can make it look like almost. anything you want it to. And that's why I grab it. But then you can probably also like keep it cohesive. You can.

Yeah. So because that's the thing is like every font feels like a different voice. So if you have like you don't want to design with nine different fonts in it unless you're intentionally trying to do something wacky. But when you have a font that has that many variations, it still feels like the same voice. It all goes together. But it's just different styles of the same one. So there's a reason that's one of the most popular fonts of all time.

And it's easy to read. Like people know how to read it. Like they're used to seeing it. It's easy to read. So that's always a go-to. But if I just say, we're to say broader, I would say kind of any sans seraph is just hard to go against. It's a good,

good safe pick always. I'm sure I picked it up from you, but I, a lot, it's, I use Helvetica variations a lot because you can achieve most of facts. And it's like read a very, very readable,

you know, like you start typing something out in Helvetica. If you're designing a piece, you're like, ah, it's too long. It doesn't fit on the slime. Helvetica narrow.

Here we go. It just all shrunk in. And it's still bold. and easy. I mean, Futura is really popular, but after you do this long enough, you do start to notice like, oh, well, future is what Nike uses. And then you start writing stuff like, oh, this just looks like a Nike ad now. If you should put that on things. So certain brands of time has gone on have starting to be known more for their fonts. And it's something to be aware of there, too. Tom's buddy, Nate, again, where does Massonomics have economic nexus? A very technical

business question here. Okay. So we, do know we have talked about economic nexus at least a couple of times and uh who probably won't get to all the inner workings of massonomics but i don't know correct me if i'm wrong to economic nexus is uh when you have the responsibility as a seller of something to collect uh sales tax and then remit sales tax to that state in that state yep in that state if you have economic nexus in that state that's what you have the responsibility of doing. That's set state by state, and it's usually related to a dollar amount of business

and or a number of transactions of business in a certain period of time. Yes, in a certain period of time. And also, I'll tell you this, we have economic nexus in South Dakota. Yes, that is a guarantee. And then outside of that, there's 50 states, and basically everyone has a variation of the rules. Yeah.

And some, it's like, oh, there's a dollar amount, a number of transactions. And also it applies to just certain industries as well. It's all over the board. Other fun fact, I believe the whole thing came about from a court case. Do you know, it's South Dakota versus Wayfair. Yeah. Yeah.

Is the the important court case that. Yes. Yeah, South Dakota, the land of low taxes is also who to think for sales tax and all of your online purchases. It's a pretty big mess and a pain in the ass. and they're like it's a disaster yeah it's a disaster i think that's a good way of putting it um get strong gen have you notice an increase in haters as massonomics continues to grow um i don't know i mean maybe there's a little more but i mean there was definitely some haters that would get like random comments back in the day too like it was yeah we don't have any

hate i feel like we don't have any haters that actually know any of our stuff we just get the random comment and to me that's from someone that's never that could just as well be a bot you know like right those ones just don't even bug me at all i don't think we get like because i see other like i see some really big influencers that like dr mike has straight up haters that people that just like oh i'm coming to every doctor mike video too because i just want to see him lose and i don't know if we have one person like that i don't think so like not a vocal person like that there's probably people like that because it's a different story when let's say a real goes kind of viral and just gets a bunch of shitty comments on it those just aren't real those just

aren't real i mean yes someone left a comment but they're just they're just gone in the ether they don't really matter it's not like that person's coming back to every post forever leaving negative comments and there's definitely people online that have that well and we've gotten the the brine you know bryan stemmed from that uh the lift shorts thing but yeah but those are just people that never were consuming any of our stuff prior to that. So I don't think so. And they're not going out of their way to like seek, to me that's what a real hater is, is your intention like, all right, what's Dr. Mike posted today? Because I got to go shit on it, you know?

It almost seems like by the nature of massonomics, we don't attract a lot of haters because we're not taking stances on polarizing issues that will make a group of people hate you for it. Well, this episode isn't done yet. so you just stay tuned naters Kevin RSG oh no how is Atlas Shrug going for Tanner pass that good huh

I have not been reading Atlas Shrugged I still have it out actually to be completely honest it's probably I would say shortly before the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic I sat down one day and read about 10 pages of Atlas Shrugged

That'll do it for 2025. Yep. Then they get there again, not since then. A quick, really quick sports and book segment, though, I've been meaning to mention this. So I, what was the name of the book that I said wrong? Project Hail Mary. During the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic, I was talking to Matthias Cash,

and he's like, oh, love that book. That was awesome. And I'm like, he's like, yeah, he's into some science fiction books and stuff. I'm like, well, what's the next record? for me. You know, I got to know what to do next. So he said you need to read Red Rising.

Oh, is that? So I've been doing that in those. In the sense that it's science fiction. Oh, but it's not like the same author. No, not the same author or anything like that.

It's really popular right now. So I did the audio book of Red Rising. So good. Really? Really good. The trap, though, that I didn't understand until I was like halfway through this book. this isn't just one book like as i was listening to the book i was like how is this ever going to

like come full circle and end this in you know however many more chapters and i'm like ah there's five books so i'm currently about halfway through the second book oh damn okay so you're moving along yeah it is good i actually it's also further contributes to me not watching tv because if i do get a spare minute, I'm like, kind of want to like keep plugging away on that book more so than I, you know, I don't have a show. Are you reading it or audiobook? I'm audio booking this one. So when you have a spare minute, like, do you turn it on and just sit there? Or like, what do you do? Yeah. I'll do that. Okay. Yeah. I'm so tuned into the idea that when audio's playing, I'm like finding a busy task. Like I'm like doing dishes or folding lot, like something

to like feel productive. If I'm doing dishes or something like that, yes, that's actually a good time. Yeah. What I can't do. it as if I'm like have actual straight up work I'm doing no god no no yeah not at all like I used to be able to deal with podcasts and I can't even do it with podcasts anymore right it's I sometimes I try if I'm packing orders but packing orders is just enough like you just double checking names and addresses double checking names I'm writing thank you notes I'm it's uh but like let's say it's comprehend what's going on at o'clock on a Thursday night you know the week's kind of winding down you got nothing to do at that time

like you will just like sit on the couch and like just turn the audio book on is that yeah kind of I will actually more so find something to do to your earlier point like I will straight up be like okay I could do the dishes now and get this done or uh I have done that or I'll be like it's 930 I'm about ready for bed I'm just going to go lay down and put the audio book on and then just shut it off once I'm tired okay okay or driving is a good time you know driving I mean that is the ultimate one where you're just you're staying active enough that your just brain is focused in and yeah and it's really good it's red rising and then i think uh second one i'm on is golden sun science fiction very like hunger game esk in some ways uh it's a it the 10 second

synopses it's uh like way far in the future where it's people inhabit mars and mini planets and there's a class system, a very defined class system by literally colors of the, uh, like it's, there's a red class, a gold class, et cetera, et cetera. And it's very, uh, I guess it's dystopian future. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, um, it is very good. All right. And I'm like, I don't know how they do it, but I just struggle to not see this be like, uh, really good. I don't think, I don't see how you make it, maybe you can make it into a series of movies. I can't, I just, I just, just at some point in time picture it being something that you see on or on screen TV show right right yes it's like a game it would be I don't know poor man's

game of thrones or something like that that's my recommendation that's courtesy of matthias cash the two-time champ of the lift hard Libby Z classic he also knows a good audiobook good to know derailed me on that one going back to where we were at, find my spot. Well, shorter answer is Atlas Shrug, no progress. Jory says if you could add a fourth discipline to powerlifting, what would it be? Okay, so we have a lane upper body test.

We have the squat, obviously. That just, yeah, that makes sense. deadlift makes sense what would the fourth thing i mean i feel like a lot of people would say overhead press is what a lot of people would lean towards um but we all know the actual answer is or we all know the actual answer is a weighted dip that would be a weighted dip that would be a weighted one squat of the upper body yes um i don't know i in in the name of keeping with barbell lifts i i think an overhead press of some kind would make sense but yeah i'll go with i know that there is a deadlift is one of the disciplines,

but a slight variation for, there will be the max deadlift still, but they'll also be a 10 rep max double overhand Texas power bar. Yep, that's the right answer. Yep, that's actually what's missing is it. We need to make the meet longer by adding it a 10 rep max deadlift event. And you get three attempts. Yeah.

And there's no time limit on it. Once the reps start, there's no time limit on it. Big Camp M.D. says, he says Mount Rushmore. We don't need to do Mount Rushmore of this. So we'll just say, what are some notable eateries we have visited while traveling for the podcaster, YouTube? Yeah, yeah. Mount Rushmore would be a challenge.

So the goaded one is Hubert's. It's Hubert's, Polish Kitchen. There's no place with more Massanomics lore than Hubert's Polish Kitchen in the bus. yep inside that what's it that market whatever it is north is it the north that's what I was going to say too and I didn't know I was just making that up that we might be making that up it's something market yeah right across

from the convention center in downtown Hubert you've heard us talk about Hubert everyone knows the I just thought of it now I'm like oh that's the one thing I'm excited about most going back to the Arnold yeah Hubert's Fuller's kitchen that's up there the wait oh this said places we visited on trips is that what it said yeah yeah so Ohio high co that's right up there too

Oh, yeah, sure. Great experience. Good call. The thing is, is the food is so secondary to what we're actually doing that a lot of times it's like, nope, just what can we catch on the go? You know, when we're in California, where did we? That Mexican placement with Chad was really good. That was pretty good.

The Grants. It wasn't like an all-time great place. No, no, but it was really good. Grants, chicken place was really good. Is that so Loco? Yeah, that was good. That was a cool experience. The, you know, it's become a little bit of a tradition for it.

us now as we hit up Texas Roadhouse on the way to the Arnold every year. And after like a Mount Rushmore just because of the tradition. Oh, and after like a 16 hour drive, it's just so much you need. I eat like 50 rolls and like, you know, pizza ranch isn't going to know what to hit it next time we go there again. Pizza Ranch got started on Crew Falls this past year. There you go. But other food experience, like Ohio, outside of Ohio Pico, I don't think we ate anything fancy

at all. What about in the Carolinas? Did we ever really? Ashton gave us a pretty cool place. That was definitely a local spot. I can't even remember what it was called. What your original comment is so true, though, like the food, most of the time we're just literally like getting something to eat because this,

we're looking at our trip out east and it's literally like, we basically don't have time. No, no, we just know that there will be because this gym tour gets cut off at 11. The next one starts at one. There's an hour and 45 minutes of travel and we have two hours to do it. So it's just whatever fits in that 15 minute window is how it works. And that's, I mean,

that's what makes these trips work is that we're not planning fun stuff at all along the way, you know? Right. Just trying to think there's been any like the what actually with food, the one is at the Arnold every year. We don't go to these places, but Nick from Live Large always has just the most insane hookups with. Oh, yeah, this is the best donut shop. in the area.

This is the best sandwich shop. And he's always got like some pieces and he's like, oh yeah, here eat some of this. And it's really, really good. What's that evening where we had the group get together at the Arnold this year,

where we've eaten there with Grant the year before? I love that place. Yes. That chicken, that fried chicken place. It's, um, is that the Eagles nest or something like that?

I was going to say it's the Falcon or the Eagle, but yeah, it's something like that in, uh, on, I mean, is that on high street in Columbus or whatever that, uh,

I'm not going to know about that stuff. in the bus you mean in the bus the eagle short north yep okay yeah that that is really good food that chicken that chicken there is freaking sometimes it's just time and setting too when you're just like everyone said that though we left everyone was like this food was incredible this food was amazing um yeah i if that was part of just our tradition every year going to the arnold going forward i would be totally down for well like grant the year we didn't know the first time we ate there was with him and he's like yeah we just ate here three nights in a row because the food's so good i kind of get it it is it is big david will you finally be able to get

strong with the pendulum squat machine i thought so that that was the missing link now i'm just wondering if it's the next piece that's really the missing link where i think we're all was just one piece it's got you so close that there probably is just one thing that'll set you over the edge i have seen a lot of just videos of people using the pendulum squat and i do get really jealous when I see that thing. The pendulum squat is the real deal. I know we have the YouTube video on it that you can go check out and watch and where we hype it up,

but I just got to say again, it is the real deal. Actually, quite a few comments in that video, if people seeming to admit that the pendulum squat is just the best. There's not a person in the gym that uses it that says, oh, that thing's no, everyone goes, oh, that thing freckin, lights me. Oh, you know, everyone is like,

I'm just can barely walk after you. using that you know it's like yeah no wonder no one was getting strong you didn't have a pendulum squat that's right that was that always was the thing f this workout what lift would give you okay what lift would give you the worst understanding of someone's overall strength i like that question um here's what i'd say in like somewhat not of a joking matter it would probably be some of these certain grip strength events. I was going to say grip, too.

I actually thought you were going to joke and say the 10, the devil over and 10 grip, 10 lift. No, that one I believe actually is not a terrible test. Yeah, I believe that. It's like, oh, you're hanging on and you're doing a lot. Yeah, you are strong. Yeah, that's actually, I'm putting that back. That's back to that answer.

Opposite question. That's the lift I would make someone do. That's actually the answer the question of what lift is the best gauge someone's strength. Yes. Double over head. Double over hand. Next deadlift.

Yeah, I think any grip thing, because you can score really high on grip and have a strong grip, but also just suck at lifting anything else. That's not unusual. Like, that's totally doable. And also, we know a lot of guys that are really strong

that aren't very good at grip stuff. True. True. That just shows like there is very little carryover between the two. I think that's a fairly good answer. Outside of going crazy and just being like, well, stupid lifts that would like not be that just I don't believe are good lifts that wouldn't

be good or just like really technical lifts like a hang clean right I mean right if you're not doing them you could be really strong but you could also not do those and be immobile and your hand clean could be a very low number yeah usually you'd even still even on a hang clean you'd be like oh it looked like absolute shit well but I'm just saying if someone just said their max hang clean is 225 right you know right it'd be more like an eye test of me where I'm like, oh, you looked absolutely terrible, but you did $2.25. I'm like, yeah, you're probably pretty strong. You just suck at Angling.

Yeah, I'm saying if you had a sheet of paper in front of you of everyone's max is lined up, like that is not telling a good story to their overall strength level. Yep, I can see that. What's Upton? Will Massonomics ever tap into the sparkling water market? I think that's a pretty hard one, get in fridge space. I've watched enough shark tanks to know that it'd be a challenging one. Hey, we're not against the collab of some kind here.

if someone's out there. That's our foot in the door. We can get our blessing on someone else's stuff. But, yeah, it'd be hard for us to enter that on our own. Big O'Doyle. What has more wool? Tommy's hair or the entire Swiss link catalog. Probably my hair.

Got to find that guy in Ohio. He could tell us the answer. That's a really good question. The Swiss link catalog does have a lot of wool in it also. A lot of wool from other countries. Not enough. Big Erickson, KJ, do you guys have long-term training goals, PRs you'd like to hit? I mean, do you have long-term training goals?

I actually do. I mean, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not super strict on these because I just know things change and especially as I age, it could just also, life could happen. And it could just, it gets increasingly harder every year. Yep. But I would love to just break. my all-time total PR and all of my existing PRs. I mean,

I just recently broke my all-time bench PR. I think of- So all you want to do is set a PR and everything. Actually, yeah. It's a very modest goal. I just want to set a PR and everything. It's actually funny to think about it that way. But yes, that is.

But actually, in your case, I get that. I think it's pretty within reach, though, is the thing. Like, I don't think that that's, I think I kind of, I mean, I know. I underperformed on my deadlift this year. And I do feel like I underperformed a bit on my squat. I mean, I underperformed on my prep leading in because I had that back injury.

And I, you know, I think realistically there was a little more left on both of those. And that doesn't put me super far away from my best attempts on either one of those lifts. So, um, that's the thing is I feel it'd be a different story if I was 200 pounds off of my all-time

PRs, but I'm not. I'm within, you know, 90% or closer. So I feel like it's within reach. Like a real stretch goal would be like, it'd be really cool someday to say I benched 405 and squatted 600 and wherever the deadlift ends up, sure, okay, yeah, I don't even care.

But it'd be really cool someday to say bench 405 and squat 600, but I just know the amount of work to get to those numbers is it's not like, oh yeah, you just do a little more. It's like, no, it's exponentially more time and effort and the time and effort meter is getting tested more and more all the time. We've got peloton's to ride too. We got peloton's ride. I don't know if you know about this, Tanner. Have you heard about this? But when you have kids that start to get a little older, there's a thing called activities.

Just wait. I think that's coming up in a question here. I think that I remember that there's something question. Yeah, that is coming up in a question. My answer, I guess I do. I guess I do. I wouldn't really necessarily say any specific numbers or anything like that because I like to just keep some of those things.

Well, just say all PR, all time PRs and everything. Yeah. I don't even say. say that, I wouldn't even say that's my goal. Actually, my goal is now, whether this is long term or whatever term, is just after, you know, my last knee surgery, it's like, just get back to what I consider strong for me. Not strong, like, while rehabbing a knee, but just get back to numbers where I'm like, okay, I feel like when I'm at these numbers, I am a strong person. And I feel like I'm on my way to that. I think so. I think you are. And that's also a much longer

road than what I'm on, to be honest, you know, like, yeah, you just have, you're just starting in a much tougher spot than where I'm currently at. Like, after the last one, I eventually hit a squat PR after that, like an all-time squat PR. If I could do that again, that would be great, but that's not even really my goal. My goal is just like, just get my squat, well, it might not be an all-time PR, but it's like, oh, I'm squatting like, you know, if my good numbers in the past were from here to here, and I'm like in here. Just a notch below. Yeah, that's what I'm like, okay, yep, that's good. Big Mini says Massonomics boony hats when.

I'm not going to say it's not going to happen. We've looked at this several times over the years. Blanks have been an issue. That's just the main thing with it. And I guess there's boony hats and there's bucket hats and they're similar hats. Yeah, that's also a thing too. But, yeah, it's blanks between. sizing, styling,

pricing, it's just, it's been a challenge. So that's the issue. Not strong, just fat. Any true industry enemies? He asked us. Well, not yet. Stay tuned.

Tango Charlie apparel. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. They're irrelevant to us. I could be perfectly honest. They're not an enemy. They don't like they're in our industry.

They can't be in. Yeah, it can't be your enemy if you just really don't even, you know, they don't exist as far as we're concerned. So I would, that's probably the best answer. You know what I was actually just thinking about the other day? Remember when we're at the Arnold and one of the, there's a guy that worked for Tango Charlie and he was like, four, four aisles down from us to the Arnold. He was taking pictures from us. And you could so obviously tell he was taking photos of us, but he was standing very far away. That's weird, right?

Yes. that it's weird and that is a that definitely happened that fits the live of the company though doesn't it yes it does uh jeff says how long until massanomics is displaced by ai oh man i don't know to see a i spend four hours in the gym and not getting that shit their bans i'd like to see a i shit their bans i don't know the thing i feel like the thing that really makes massonomics powerful compared to some other brands is that community aspect and that is there's a certain level of community outreach and involvement and it's hard for very human element of that's what actually think what makes massonomics so good is the human element we're pretty safe actually there's a lot of

companies that do i mean i've listened to a lot of business stuff over the years and actually we were kind of having a conversation about this recently how there's just it was really popular not that long ago in business advice was just like scale build your business scale build system let everyone take over for all that and do it. And yeah, I mean, like, that is definitely a way to run a business. But I'm like, you kind of also ruin the magic sauce of like what people like about it. And that's maybe certain characters, people being in it. And I think that's what we have is, is that human element.

And, yeah, I mean, could AI do a bunch of masonomic stuff? Probably. But I think that removes the, I think that's maybe why people like us is, yeah, you could tell AI to write a script about some home gym talk. I don't know. They come back for the lacroys and bad food takes or something. I don't know.

Yep. I think that that's a really good answer. I also just wonder if it's going to be longer than some people think until AI is really like... I keep thinking that too. Doing that, like crazy stuff that we kind of have the expectation that's going to be doing at some point in time.

I'm just wondering, is that really what's happening or is like it's not actually doing what people think it's. doing. Well, there's, I mean, there's billions of dollars that depend on it. I mean, there's billions of dollars that are being invested that depend on people buying into the hype. Right. And it's like, well, but if you don't believe the hype, well, then that means that the billions of dollars was a waste. And we don't want to say that it's a waste. So we have to keep believing the hype by throwing more into it. Right. But you're starting to see more and more

stuff come out of like, even one, investors being like, hey, when does this return money? And then two, even some of these bigger people at companies starting to be like, yeah, maybe there was maybe too much hype on some of this stuff as to what it, like, don't get me wrong. I still use it every day and I still think it has a lot of useful. It's an awesome tool. But there's a lot of people that just seem to think that it will and can take care of everything. And it's like, no, there's actually a lot of stuff. It still does suck at really bad. I just want, like I, I'm not saying that someday it might not do like all these things that people think and maybe hope that it's going to do. I just wonder if the timeline is like a lot longer than what some of us were made to believe.

Well, I think a lot longer. And also it might be even more expensive than people think it's going to be to get there. And at a certain point, like people just aren't going to want to be starting money on fire anymore. And that's where it's going to get really hard. But I don't know shit about it. But just as a user of it, like of the, you know, of the things that I use, like a paid version of chat GPT that costs almost nothing. that a bill you know how many millions of people have but i'm like i don't know people talk about how it's just going to be exponentially greater and more powerful and do all these other things at a

certain point i'm like i don't know it seems like it still takes forever to load up a fucking picture if i wanted to make one you know like i'm like and it's like kind of sucks in a way i mean like once the novelty wears four houses in the process once the novelty of what it has been able to do wears off and you try and use it you're like i don't know what's cool now i'm like It kind of sucks. Like, it kind of does that thing, but it's like not doing it very well. If I didn't work in a creative field, I think my uses would be very limited for it. Right.

Because so much of my use is brainstorming and things related to, I don't know, content marketing or copyright, things like that. Not to say I wouldn't, I wouldn't use it for other things, but I think I would have much more limited uses for it than if I wasn't in the field that I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. let's see okay how about a quick quick answer here f mk brian gab randy i'd line them all up and shoot them one one bullet that's too dumb i don't know yeah i don't know it's too stupid that's probably my least favorite type of question i don't i don't like i think i don't like those questions yeah uh big dan

Eager says horse stall ammonia horsetal-scented ammonia when? Oh, I would just say never say never. We've got some big connections in high places there, so you never know what's going to come out. Big Omar Martinez, when will

the silly goose finally find his druthers? You're going to have to stay tuned for part two of that book series. It's still coming along. That children's book series. A all-time meme right there. Great callback on that one. mostly Matt, any big changes to the Lift Hard Live Easy 4?

I would say yes, there is going to be some big changes. Yeah, we haven't actually said anything about this, have we? No, now's not the time either, but no, I don't think that was the time. But yeah, there is going to be some pretty big changes. I think all for the better. I think so. I think people are going to be excited about this. Yeah.

Have you heard about this? You really haven't, but we'll hear about this. Go for gains. It's a hard question for me. all time favorite movie you have an all time favorite movie i have you have you seen it i really i don't know if people picked us up on me i really struggled to pick all time favorites and things because so many things for me are just very mood dependent like i mean there's so many great movies but they're also like intense intense dramas and it's like god can't handle watching this more than like once every few

years you know um i mean i guess that doesn't mean it can't be a favorite but part part of me the favorite is like oh it also has to have a level of rewatchability in it too i don't know i've always said like pulp fiction is up there and one it's just a fun crazy movie i but that's being said i probably haven't watched that movie in 10 years now um i don't know pulp fiction's very high in my list what about you i really like shawshank redemption i've probably watched it like 15 times really it's probably it's one of those movies that was on tv all the time yeah tv was a thing so that's why i say that uh it's one of my favorite movies this is a very cliche thing of a man of my age but when i was 22 a movie came out called the dark night i still really do like

the dark night it was pretty it was very impactful movie uh i really liked the dark night like i still i can watch the dark night and the scenes of it just i'm like this is so good i mean it nailed the action thing like it action comic book was perfected to me that was the that was the that beats all of the marvel movies that uh ever came out like i'm like it didn't get better than uh the dark night and i guess the dark night rises i would almost like lump that as a choice be to you know it's like those two to not the first i mean the first one's The Begins one is fine, but it's really with the Joker. It was, when you were in your early 20s, I'm like, this is freaking great.

I mean, yeah, like the joke, like people have been fans of the Joker ever since then. And in like weird crazy ways. Well, people have been going as Heath Ledger Joker to Halloween for 20 years. I mean, you know, even Bain for that matter, too, you know. Yes. Yeah. Like a Batman, a Batman villain that up until that point, most people had never even heard of before, you know. Right.

So I don't know. maybe it's the dark night that feels like a bad answer but uh it's kind of maybe is like i mean it's just like that movie is always good to me but it does it i mean it checks the boxes high rewatchability yes pretty freaking awesome got a lot of crossover appeal a lot of people would be down for it i mean it's yeah it's maybe not the most critically acclaimed answer but it's a good one like shashank redemption will take the the critical choice right pick there but okay captain ron my wife was asking if there are going to be any more slutty little shorts coming out no we're always working on something so stay tuned there

stay tuned for slutty little shorts curt in a home gym is it better to go with a combo rack or a power rack say for most people in most applications it's a power rack I do believe that too. Like I, there's nothing wrong with having a combo rack, but I would say in my personal experience, um, spotting feels a little safer. You have a lot more options as far as versatility with the rack,

you know, with, with attachments, you know, attachments on a combo rack aren't really a thing. Um, there's just, there's just way more,

I mean, you have more directions, ways you can squat, bench, do that type of stuff. It just has a lot more versatility. while also not actually taking up that I mean it's less movable but the footprints pretty similar yeah I agree uh from big boss and Jose I like this when you have a set of 10 do you count

one through 10 or one through five twice or any other combination what do you do I've never thought about not counting linearly oh I definitely do what he's saying oh yeah I do that all the time like you'll be reping them out hard and be like five one two like you'll go back to what for real like i like especially at a set of 10 yes i will do exactly what he's not all the time you're just kicking yourself back to the beginning but it's less it's less of a hill the climb to it in chunks i'd much rather be on number six than go back to the start at one that's the wrong way what i really what the bit thing i'll do it the biggest on is like as i did this today sets of 15 you know for my accessory work i'll do that three i'll count one to five three times really

yeah yes i've never even considered that and i've never vocal i've never mentioned that to anyone ever in my life and so people must do that yeah it's very interesting that that's his comment here you know wow i've i've never even once thought of messing with that number when i'm doing reps like it's it's just linearly it's just literally it's just a linear thing and the closer that number gets the last one, the more excited I get because it's, you know, I'm getting there. Let us know in the comment section, which camp are you in? Is that insane to break that part counting? I've never asked anyone or never brought that up. So that's interesting to me that he mentioned that because it would tell me that he

probably, at least at the very least, has done it before. Let us know in the comment section, do you ever do that or not? Like the closest thing I get to that, and this really isn't even that close is let's say i have a really heavy set for the day you know a tough tough working set maybe it's let's say i got like five sets of four and they're heavy or something and i'm like okay set two halfway through means i'm halfway done are they you know like set three like it's like okay oh yeah i do that way mark exists on this set and then we're then we're getting there and that's the closest thing i ever get to the thing you know breaking it up in anyway though yeah wow

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Peloton Concept 2 Rower And the SkiERG Well I actually do like this one a lot more I do Yeah But my promise I've never used

A SkiERG And I've really only used A Rower for like a minute To my life So I'm just taking total You're going to marry the Peloton. So I've got to marry the Peloton. I'll kill.

It'd be really nice if I could just say I've just done one rep of a ski. I just even know what it feels like. Well, I guess I did Dr. Taddy. I mean, I saw you do it. I didn't touch it, though. Yeah. Well, if I'm going to marry the Peloton, I guess I'm going to fuck with the ski erge to get a little upper it.

I'm going to kill the rower then. Yeah. Yeah. I am going to kill the ski arg because I've never really used it. I've been very intrigued by the ski org for a long time. The Peloton and the Rower is tough. I guess I already killed the Ski-Regg, so I guess I get to keep the other two in my life,

at least at some capacity, so that's good. I guess I would marry the rower because I still just really like the rower. Yeah, you are a rower guy. Actually, we could talk about this. You've been hitting some sprints on that, too. That's true. with newest rower challenge 100 meter dash challenge i had caden

kaden doing it in the gym today to say you got to see if you can break my time and did he and he he could not do it he got down to 15.7 today and what was yours which is a very good time 14.9 it's my best okay i have not seen anyone in the discord yet beat my time i think um who got 15.1 Tyler thompson i think got 15.1 so does do you tell it you want to do 100 meters and it beeps okay so you know you when you've hit the finish line Yeah, it starts at 100 and it doesn't start until you actually start moving it. Oh, okay. And it counts it down. Okay. Yeah. That's how you do like any set distance. Like you start at that distance and it counts you, it brings it down. So do you think you could beat 14.9 on your, on your record? I've been trying. I haven't got past it. That's my best time yet. I've gotten a lot of like 15.1s.

Okay. So, I mean, it's just like that is like you are hitting the ceiling there. Like it's not. not like one's 15.9 and then one's. I mean, I guess I've only done it three training sessions. Yeah, but, but you're, it's a tight pattern. It's always like the, my first one's always the slowest because I always do one like, I'm like, oh, this is kind of a sprint, but I'm still like kind of easing into it. And then usually that next one, I get it down pretty close. And then the third, by the third one I have like, I'm like, it just takes like a couple

times to be like, no, this is a sprint. Yeah. Like to just like get your body to be like, no, I'm going as hard as. possible and they're and uh and they're not taxing enough that you can do them multiple you can do them within like a few minutes oh you can oh like well i don't know maybe five to be it's not like run in a hundred meter dash where you couldn't just do another one no it's not like that which is funny because it's the i mean it's roughly the same amount of time it's actually longer but right right but like by that metric you wouldn't do a 200 and then fire off a 200 shortly after

that either you know right right but rowing's easy maybe that means you're not trying hard enough. Well, it is the funny thing because you are trying as hard as you possibly can, but there also is a little bit of gaming it too, I think. I don't know if it's gaming it, but like just really ripping, like if you mess up the first, it's such a short amount of time and you're dealing with like fractions of a second that a mess up on one pull screws up your time.

Wasn't there a clip of Brian Shaw doing 100 or was it just doing it? So Brian Shaw at the time, he set the record at 12.8 seconds. Oh, that is an actual. record but but yeah but no it's not anymore somebody did 12.7 who um I don't I got the clip of the guy no not big okay so it wasn't it wasn't another strong man type with no but he just gets it return so fast I mean the the trick they the chain is literally snapping when he comes back like so why is it why is it doing that I don't know because he's able to just move so fast like I just I can't even tell you because you watch and be like, well, why can't I do that?

And then I'll watch my even at 14.9, which is pretty fast. Yeah. But it just, I look like, if you watch it compared to his video, obviously it's the best person at it. But I look like, I'm like, I'm like, but you'd be like, what is this guy stuck in mud? Like, like, you know, and like a bunch of people in Discord are getting like 16, 17s, 18s, which are all, that's trying pretty hard. Like, you got to be moving. but like when you watch that and then you watch the guy that does it in 12.7, it's like, I can't even explain how he's doing it.

Interesting. It's just so fast at returning it. Okay. And like we get, like him and I get there in the same number of pulls. It basically takes me 12. Oh, it is. Okay. So that's the same.

Yeah. But he's just like getting back to his next one just on godly fast. It almost looks like it's sped up. But it means not, but it just. I'll have to look that up and see what that's, uh, what that looks like. Yeah. It's just kind of crazy. but the fun part about that stupid

rower test or of these dumb things that I like to cycle in and out is the 5K row sucks you get done with that you're like 20 minutes you're strapping yeah I'm just like dead this you're like oh I'm going to do it again actually the hard part with this is you're like oh I want to do it again I want to do it again and eventually it's like

yeah it's like okay I got to quit doing this you know but it's a great warm up the 100 meter dash on rowers is a sick warm up for lifting. You do like four of those and you try and tell me you don't feel like you're ready to squat or deadlifted. And you're like you moved your whole body

really hard, you know, for 50 repetitions basically, you know, relatively low intensity, of course. But it's just, it's a good warm up. Yeah, I can see that. That's a fun strength test. So let us know what your 100 meter dash rower. Did I say, I guess I would marry the rower and F the Peloton.

I do like the Peloton. Yeah. I'm a believer. Okay. I saw this question. I do actually, this is an interesting question from Big Buzz. Do you ever make any progress

on assistance exercises like lat pull-downs as an intermediate? I actually have been because I've taken them much more seriously. That's what I say. I think my bench has got. gone up so much is that I've really, for the first time ever taken by, like, actually taking them seriously.

And also, Juggernaut does program them in a way that, I mean, it's always pretty high volume, but it does work, eventually does go to lower volume, you know, drop off some sets and drop the reps a little bit. And over time, I'm like, no, was this really a four IRA reps in reserve set? Can I even do RIR? are was this really a four and like I start to look at that number after while I'm like no no that was that's too easy like I still I have a lot left in the tank there and that's part of the logging it and actually looking at that numbers after a while like

no no no there's there's more to do so I I think where the question is coming from though is a point of like it is very easy to leave those things stagnant over time yes most people are I went years with barely moving any of them that's it's really hard to do or not is probably the biggest thing that help. I've said that multiple times. It's not as big of help on my primary list because I'm always tracking those. I'm always trying to progress those. That's where the reason you're at the gym is those.

Right. Yeah. It's the accessory ones that makes you be like the 12th week in a row that you're doing 20 pound dumbbell lateral side raises for a set of 15 that you're like, wait a second. Why? what or like the in real life maybe it's the 150th week in the row that you're doing the you know real 10th year in a row right and you're like wait a second i've never gotten better than this in four years like maybe maybe it just means you need to rotate exercises maybe and i think that's

actually part of the two is just rotating um because things do get stale but but it is really i think progressing those lifts is a really good indicator that you're doing something right in your training too, like making progress in accessory lifts because it's very easy not to do that. Yeah. Well, and like you said, most people that are serious do put in pretty good effort

on the main lifts, but I think most people also put in kind of minimal effort on the other ones. And it's just, it is low-hanging fruit. Just put a little more effort in on the, or keep the effort up across the entire workout. And you might be surprised.

Yep. metal head fitness any talk of some arm wrestling at the lift hardly of easy classic ever it always yeah it always comes up but uh nope that i pretty i can confidently say that will never happen did an arm wrestling tournament before where i saw my wife i told this i mean we were probably had the podcast going when this happened so i'm sure we talked about it in if you're a back cad catalog listener you've heard the story and her humorous snapped in half. Not your wife.

She snapped someone else's. Yeah. Another Jim, Big Leah, another gym member, her humorous bone snapped in half in her arm. And that will forever be enough for me not to, not even just compete in myself, but not to facilitate the competing of it. Because professionals are trained to do it.

Or, you know, people that dedicated amateurs are trained to do it. When you get a bunch of just strong, guys at the gym that don't arm wrestle and just want to rip in ripin someone gets hurt every time at the very least they get tendonitis in their uh elbow and then they can't like bench anymore for half a year and i'm like nope that's counterproductive for the mission here so i'm not going to be a facilitator of it ever ever since that event took place i've i mean not that i ever really tried to arm wrestle people before but in like the couple of times in my life that was probably 10 years ago that there's been a scenario of that i'm like no nope i will take no part in this

I've just, I've seen what can happen and I just want nothing to do with it. I completely abstain from it also because the risk to reward is so dumb on that too. Yeah. Like, there's actually no reward here and it's all risk. But I, but people that really are into it, they can do it with a lot less risk because they're, they know what they're doing. They train for it. You know, like they're, that's what they do. Big Chris Hornick is reaching your full lifting potential just a matter of not getting sick or having a family.

dude I um that's where I said we were going to get to this and I'm like I it's a funny way of putting it I think over the short answer is yes that's pretty much what it is yeah I thought about sick not getting hurt and not having a bunch of other commitments I thought about this a ton especially over the more recent years and you know people always talk about optimal training and it's like well actually what's optimal is not having children like and and and also not having a full time job I mean a full time job is easier to work around but hardly it's But, yeah, like, not having children, not, basically not having obligations is what is optimal for training. And, like, look at a lot of the IPF stuff. Some of the top people, just their job is just training. It's like, oh, I wonder how they're pulling that one off. Like, most, a lot of them are at the age when they just are getting by, like, doing this thing. It's like, wait, you're telling me your 20s and the only thing you have to do is lift and you're really, really good at it. Like, how is, yeah, of course, that's all that.

And they also started with good genetics and they probably train hard. Like, they have good genetics and a good work ethic and all that. But it's like, yeah, yeah. You mean the guy that has like five kids and it works 50 hours a week? He's not a world class competitor. How does that not work? It's like, right. Obviously, like it's just, you're like almost trying to go against the laws of physics at that point.

But so that's one thing I've thought a lot about is you can't even talk about optimal really when you have children because there is no optimal anymore. Or if you have a job at the best you can. You just do the best you can. And you can still get really, really strong. Absolutely. Yeah. But not as strong as you would without that. Yes.

It's on you to decide how much of an excuse you're going to let that be. Because, yeah, it absolutely is a real excuse without a doubt. Assuming you're also going to be, sometimes I hear people talk like, I work 12 hours a day. I spend four hours at the gym five days a week and I do this and this. And I'm like, oh, you mean you don't hang out with your family, which again is on you to decide. Right.

I also like, to me, an important part of my life is like, yeah, when I'm done working for the day, I don't want to not see my family. Like being there for my kids is important to me. Right. Again, everyone's different. That's for you to decide. But it's like, no, you were at school or daycare. I was at work.

You kind of go to bed at like 7.30 or 8. That means on a good day, we get a couple hours together. And I think that's important. And if that's not important to you, that's fine. That's for you to decide. But what I was going to say is on the Elite FTS podcast, the table talk podcast with Eric Helms. He said something about you're actually with most people, you're not training for optimal. your training for time. And that's, that's the truth. Like, you know, optimal probably would be spending

four plus hours in the gym, you know, having a ton of recovery time, maybe getting an intro workout meal in and really hitting those accessories super hard. And he's like, but most people, that's actually not what you're training for. You're training for, I have an hour and a half. I have 90 minutes a few times a week with you. What can we accomplish in 90 minutes? Yeah. And yeah, that's not optimal, but you are training for the time constraints. And that's what most training really does. consist of. And I think what you realize that, things make a little more sense. I agree.

I think about it. You know how some people like, oh, if I won the lottery, I couldn't retire because I just, I have to work, you know, like I have to do that. I'm like, not me. I've got this hobby. Well, first of all, I got my family, no matter what, if I win the lottery that I'm going to spend the time with and do the stuff with. But then also I have this hobby that if I wanted to, you could invest like six hours

a day into it between the actual like. training, meal, meal prepping, and then, like, recovery stuff. I'm like, I love, I love training in that hobby. I'm like, I can put all kinds of time into that. I just don't because I have a lot of other important obligations, including work. That's actually really funny because I was just thinking about something very similar to this too, because like a conversation I heard recently you've evolved around someone retiring early. And I'm like, yeah, I guess.

So I'm like, oh, let's say I had the means to retire in 10 years. like let's say that was an option that was on my radar to be retired before I was 50 even and like well what does that mean like even if things were going great I just have a hard time believe let's say massonomics is still around that I'm like who finally I don't have to do that one anymore so it's like well you wouldn't say that what am I retiring for so is it am I retiring from a freelance web design career and like even that a lot of it I don't mind doing right you would just be more selective of yeah there's definitely people that I would you know in a perfect world not work with unless it's a certain price or just certain projects maybe not even the people are just

certain projects like I don't really want to do that but you know at a certain time when you're trying to collect money you say yes to more things but uh but what if it's not just you could retire early but like 500 million dollars fell in your life well okay then are you gonna do a different story you know like that's a yeah that it probably would just be that's a different thought experiment that that actually is yes yes that that's because then you have so much money you can just you you're like we're just gonna me and my family are going to travel the world all the time And, you know, like, yeah. So that's a different thought.

That's a different thing. Yeah. But it's more, you're, yeah, that's a different thought if you just say retire early because you're set in a way that you're like, no, I'm pretty good. Like, you know, I can, I can live financially responsible for my rebraining years and just not work. And I'm like, I don't know. That seems like a not very fulfilling lifestyle.

This rush to do. In that case, I would still want to do massonomics, but. Yeah. And if I had a, you know, a freelance business, I'd probably still want to do that. But what I would. would not have a second thought about is not working for the man. Right, right. Going to an office every day.

I guess actually I said bye to that so long ago. Right. Right. Because that's the thing that people say that they couldn't like, wouldn't be able to retire from that. I'm like, really? What of this?

Like you don't have anything else like you like doing more than this. Yeah. I'm like, okay, your life just sucks. I forget, yes. I'm so far removed from that that sometimes I forget that yes, people do have that bullshit that they have to. Oh, you mean?

Like you don't have to. Commute to work every day and sit through meetings and have 20 different bosses and managers tell me what to do. Listen about, do three meetings about conducting performance reviews and then conducting your performance reviews, getting performance reviews, and go through the cycle. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's that time of year again, the three-month-long performance reviews. You know, that's just one example of like, it's so funny because I do just, I'm so far removed from it that I do forget that. Yes, there is, yeah, there is that hellscape. But, like, imagine someone saying that they couldn't retire from that. Yeah, I just so desperately want to go, like, make someone else's money.

I think they really need me here. Doing stuff for yourself, self-employed or anything like that, completely different. I've always felt like that. It's just so much different. It 100% is. You can just put up with way more crap because you're like, yeah, this is self-inflicted. It's for me. I made the choice to be here, not someone didn't tell me this is what I got to do and I got to hate every second of it.

That being said, for a lot of people, there's a big significant importance of having a job. You know, I'm not telling people to quit their job. I have a job where I worked for the man and it's a really good tradeoff for me. But the situation that arises and I didn't need that for any reason, I would have no hesitation to be like, yeah, no. Get the heck out of here. I mean, I'm responsible and I need it for a lot of things, so I'm going to continue to go there, and it's do it because it's a reasonable trade-off.

But you're right. Big Genelie, how much weight before the metal plate rips off the horse stall mat gripper? So the Minnesota Department of Lifter Safety have put it to the highest test so far. I think it was Diet, me, and Stapler did a Eiffel Tower, tandem lift where they're facing each other of 300 pounds. Really? And it held up. Yeah, 300 pounds.

Okay. I think Jake has used the handles at like around 250 some pounds. Paul and Bryce did a 260 pounds. So I guess over 300 pounds. It would probably be like, it needs to be like a certain amount of weight and like some jerking forces probably. Some aggressive.

Not just a gradual pull. Which it's harder to do. The heavier gets. Yeah. So it's hold up quite well as far as that goes. I haven't seen any. Yeah, that's impressive. Tearing of the rubber, I guess.

is that what's going to eventually give is those bolts that are drilled through the rubber that those would eventually like to it would take a lot though you think about a three quarter inch horse stall mat um so that's not the limiting factor on the grippers on the gripper though the leaderboard has really taken off i'm excited to give mine another go here i haven't tried it since that one day at the gym yeah you're going to need to uh try some of the numbers and it's my competitiveness is not happy about it right now so there's about 30 to 40 on each list right now i do think we're going to have to separate out the women's uh women's into a separate list at some point because we've gotten a lot of women going on the list also there's now women pulling over a hundred pounds generally

i think is leading women with 103 pounds on the two-minute list really impressive yeah still though just maybe it's worth marking who's at the top each time we review this throughout the weeks Big Tom still has the heaviest single hand at 78.5 and the heaviest double hand lift at 160.5. Nobody has managed to come very close. Who would have thought that the ringer is just right there in Massonomics gym this whole time? I'm not that shocked by it still.

But I know you're not, but everyone else would be like, this guy, who is this guy? I don't even know that. I'm really curious to see who's the single handle happens, I believe, sooner. There's a ton of people in that 70-some range, like someone's going to get up over 80. someone will get up break him on the double hand too but i'm just i'm just curious to see when

that's going to be who it's going to be and then also i'm going to be able to motivate him to he's only ever attempted at once i know that's also the crazy part is a lot of people are putting a lot of work and effort and tom is like hey you know what at the end of your workout here why don't you just come try this quick yes i basically made him do it yeah yeah uh so a lot of fun happening on the and a lot of people like submitting and then trying again and moving up the leaderboard and like so many people jockeying it's like oh you're in the top 10 and then like later that day it's like uh you're not in the top 10 anymore just because of the numbers that keep coming in so get yourself a horse doll matt gripper and get in on that uh just a couple last

questions jake from state farm any word on the table talk episode the the joke that i put Actually, this isn't a joke, but the thing I said in the Discord a long time ago was when we were leaving and we asked Dave, hey, when's this going to be on? And he goes, ah, they usually put the good ones quicker. So probably pretty soon. And that was like four months ago. Yeah. I don't take offense to it, though, because I've also seen ones that I consider the good ones. And I know that Dan Green.

Yeah, they were recorded a long time ago. So they must just actually have an enormous Pat catalog. I think they do. And I think he didn't really know. Like the short answer was he didn't know when it was going to come out. or might not even be the one deciding even, I don't know. I'm guessing we'll get a little bit of a heads up when it's coming. Maybe not.

Maybe it'll just be posting back. Hey, do you see the table talk episodes out? She'll probably shoot us an email. They have pretty good communication. So we'll probably know about a couple days before it happens, I would guess. I kind of forgot about it. Oh, I do too at this point. I'm like, oh, wait, people haven't heard that.

Like, it's a conversation we had so long ago. It's going to be fun to watch it. It's going to be pretty fresh. Because I don't remember. I hear it, yeah, like it's... I mean, what did we talk about, actually? Like, what were our central themes? I think we talked a lot about...

Not a lot, but we talked a decent amount about home gyms and, like, our trip that were going on. And, like, there was a decent amount of home gym talk actually in it. Yeah. I think we spent a decent amount of time on the act of building your home gym versus lifting in your home gym, you know, and not getting that, keeping the priorities straight there. Right.

Right. Okay. Last question here. I was just going to review the question list to see if anyone brought any last minute ones that we want to add to it. But I think we're pretty good. Also, we've been going for over two hours. So Big Keith wants to know, what is the crew falls gym going to be this year? If you stuck around for over two hours, you get the exciting first announcement. It has been confirmed. The crew falls gym will be. Drum roll, please. Lifting and drank it is all I know.

We are going back to Los Campione's for year two. That's confirmed. We are going there for sure. They welcomed us back with arms wide open. They welcomed us back. He was very excited for it to have us back there. And we had other options. We could have gone back to Liberty Barbell,

which worked really well in year one. There's a couple other gyms in crew falls that could have worked as well. but LOS is so big and diverse in terms of their equipment. We just thought it worked so well. A bunch of strong man stuff there too that we... A bunch of strong man, a bunch of power lifting, a bunch of bodybuildings, a bunch of machines, separate rooms. It just, for the number of people that we predict are coming back again,

it just works so well. Yeah, like there could be over 50 people pretty easily at this thing. I mean, it was damn near 50 people last year, and it's looking like it could be bigger this year, so. We absolutely have to sing Creed together as a group again. The Masanomics Boys Choir. Yeah. It almost be funny to do a staged Instagram reel where it's like when the whole gym breaks out into Creed

and we have like all 50 people just like pretending to lift and then like it comes on and everyone slowly comes together to sing Creed. Could be something there. Yeah. But yeah, we're going back to Los Campiones. Sweet. Should be exciting. I didn't even know that.

I don't even know it. It's completely. I mean, we mentioned it, but I didn't have the confirmation yet. Yeah, we got the confirmation today that he's all on board. And he's like, let me know anything I can do. It was great last year. I was also slightly concerned. He'd be like, no, you idiots?

You didn't get the picture. Yeah. Like, for the love of God, do not come back. Yeah, that's it. That's Q and A. We answered all the cues. Sweet. It was a good one.

We'll have to decide what the title topic is going to be. I know, that's the worst part of this whole thing. We did, they are, the questions are all written down here. Oh, they are. Okay. Well, then that makes it a lot easier. I won't complete out this task now so that we can review, we can review this. Just and see what pops out.

Pictureing me editing this Sunday morning scrubbing through being like, oh, one good question. Where is it? I think, I think this is it. Episode 492. What side of the upright should the numbers go on? Episode 492. The worst. Gage of strength.

It's kind of a funny title, actually. Yes. The episode, or the movement for the worst gauge of strength. Episode 492. What is Tommy's least favorite font? Yeah. People will love that one. Comic sands and all the reasons not to use it.

All right. Okay. So you did? go on a trip. Yeah, I did go on a trip to Portland. So have you ever been to Portland before? I've never been to Portland. Have you been to the Pacific Northwest?

I have this Washington or I know. Yeah, it was just a really quick trip. Actually, the same friend used to live in Spokane. And so I was out there and we, it was kind of almost a Masonomics style trip. I was there for like a day. And then we actually drove all the way to Seattle and I was in Seattle for like a day. Super quick though. Didn't get to do a ton of stuff.

And that's my only experience in that area. So to go to Portland, never been. been there um it was you fly into the portland airport we did fly into the portland airport i have flown in the portland airport before on my way to hawaii so the carpet novelty hit on the deep bed you know it's in that but a couple things that stood out portland feels like a much smaller city than i like in my opinion mass uh Minneapolis feels like a big city when you're downtown Minneapolis it feels big yeah um like downtown Portland does not feel like that it just kind of feels like a small city wherever you're at in it um a couple things if i

ever to describe the bar scene in Portland to you, Tanner, I would say this. Picture Schwannis, your favorite, local watering hole. Just tell me you're going to stop there. That's it. You know, it's just kind of a bar that's actually tucked into a neighborhood. You know, there's literally houses next door and across the street from it. So picture that. And then now on that street, picture like two or three more Schwannies.

And then now just picture that street goes for like 20 blocks. And that's what Portland is. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's really weird. Like, it's straight up just is that. It's just all of the restaurants and bars we went to, pretty much all of them had a house that was either directly across the street from it or touching it on both sides.

And nothing's new, you know, downtown, I guess there's newer stuff. But in the other thing, it's like, I don't know, is this a restaurant or a house that turned into a restaurant? I can't even tell. And so that's cool. Like, it's just a very different scene as far as that goes. Trying to think of what else. So my buddy has a boat

And there's a river that goes to the middle of Portland And we got to ride up and down the river Pretty crazy because you're going I mean you're literally going through the city on this river And you can take it one way Where you like can see the whole city and everything Or you can take it the other direction Where you go more out in the country you could say

And you get like it feels a little bit like West River You get like giant giant cliffs with pine trees on them And then at the same time there's houses all along the river too So that was a cool experience. Probably should have wrote some of the stuff down, so I would remember. Did you see any Portland trip? Did you see Greg Oden?

He follows Masonomics on Instagram for some reason. I did not see him, actually. The honest person to follow Masonomics on Instagram, Greg Oden. We've talked about that. I think it was a mistake, but he still does. Had to a bit. No, I did not see it. I saw the arena where they play.

You can kind of see it from the river, actually, when we were on there. Did you see PSU camp? My wife went to PS Portland State University. No, I didn't see the campus either, actually. No. Um, no, didn't see that. I saw a Burnside skate park.

I don't know if you've ever played some Tony Hawk. Yep. But, uh, for as little as I know about skating, I am even, uh, a little. I mean, that's about how I know that of that name. Yeah, we went,

we went there one night and yeah, every night like it's just, was there a ton of people skating there. There was, I don't know, there was like 10 cars. Okay. So it wasn't like,

there was like four or five guys skating like around and the parks all lit up at night. I'm assuming it's just like open 24 hours. But what about the, like, Is there a homeless crisis in Portland? Okay. That's something I hear about. That's what's really interesting.

So there's encampments everywhere. Of homeless people. Of homeless people. Um, yeah, I wouldn't say like sometimes I see pictures of like, you know, when we were in California where we went to like Orange County, you didn't see a single homeless person anywhere there. Um, uh, you, I would say this. What was weird when we said this multiple times, I don't know if I saw a homeless person,

but I saw signs of homeless people. I didn't see any of them. Probably the craziest one is. the river, and I actually had to look this up to see that there are actually news reports about this, there are like homeless pirates where they have either stolen abandoned boats or living in abandoned boats on the river. And it just looks like someone took an old sailboat and it's like the crappiest, most run-down thing.

And there's someone living on there. And for whatever reason, that's, they're not doing anything about it. Pretty insane. That was surprising. There's a few times where we would go to a restaurant or a shop or something. And the outfits people wear, it's Portland. Like, it lives up to the Portlandia meme. And I think, like, oh, if this was on a TV show, I'd be like, okay, like, it's a, the

costume's a little too much. This is unbelievable. Tone it down, but it's like, no, there's definitely some people that are, like, taking their, their wardrobe and style to, like, extremes that are funny. A lot of coffee shops, you know, has that whole thing going on. Could you go to a bar and get, like, a Miller Light or a Budlight? Yeah, yeah. Or was it required for?

it to be a very chewy IPA. No, there's a, actually, it seemed like there's way more cocktail places than anything. Oh, okay. That wouldn't have been my, yeah, like there was one place we went to, I think it was called like Angel Eyes or something. And no lie, that cocktail menu might have had 200 drinks on it. Like, the largest cocktail menu I've ever seen in my life. But yeah, all of them are super good. You know, it's all like $15 cocktails. Another thing we've talked about, we said this when we went to California. We said it went there. it just seems like food kind of cost the same price anywhere.

Like it's just like, yep, you go a place and it's like, yeah, it's all around like $15ish. Right. You know, as far as like. So it was like that too. Yeah. Like you're not going any. Granted,

we're not going to like fancy, fancy sit down places where I know things are more. But what I would describe as like local eateries and bars and things like that. And it's like, yeah, everything's kind of in that 15 to 20ish dollar range. Yeah. You know,

depending on what you're getting. Yeah. I think those would probably be about the mate. I mean, it's a cool city. It's a cool place to check out for sure. Oh, I'm actually leaving out one huge place. We did drive west to the coast to, what's it called, like that haystack rock. I don't know if you ever see.

It's just like this giant rock that sticks out of the water. It literally looks like a mountain and it's like 50 yards off of the water. And it's just one very specific peak. That was really cool. And then just south of that is, let me, I know I'm going to say the name, let's see it is let me get over there so you you go west of the coast and then it's the highway that runs along the coast is at the 101 highway 101 that runs all up and down the west coast which is like the most scenic highway in the country and so yeah so this rock is at cannon beach really really cool

crazy scenery so we went to cannon beach yet then it's haystack rock and then if you take highway 101 south down to manzanita there's another beach down there and it's like this little kind of beach town thing and we spent a good chunk of the day at Manzanita and I'm just kind of a sucker for the beach but it was one of the coolest views ever between these giant you know just giant white sand beaches and then you look off in the distance and there's these enormous cliffs and like forests and it's just it's a it's a beach that you don't see like on the east coast you know like I mean obviously doesn't exist anywhere in Florida Florida is pretty flat right

But even when we went to California, there are some cool views in California, but the sheer size of this, these cliffs that you're driving on, it looks like you're in the woods, climbing up some mountain. All of a sudden you come to the scenic overlooks, and you're like, oh, see that beach down there? It looks like you're in an airplane. It's so far away and down. And then you go down the hill and you're on the beach.

And it was really, really cool. You know, the water's super cold. So you can walk in it and stuff, but swimming would be really uncomfortable. But that was a, that was. a, that was a pretty cool experience getting to, getting to see that. So, yeah, overall, really good trip. A couple of other just random notes. On the plane, I watched a couple of movies, Tanner.

There was a few. Has he seen a segment? Let me put, we can cross a big one off here. I got Gone in 60 seconds to watch on the airplane. And, uh, okay, let's talk about gone in 60 seconds. Pretty good movie. I think if I watched it like 10 years ago, I would be like, no, this is too cheesy because it's just too recent.

But now that it's old enough, it's like, well, it's old now. You know, it's about 20, a little over 20 years. I think it was like 2000 or 99. And I'm like, no, this actually fits the time period perfectly. Like it fits, it was an entertaining movie. It was good. As far as car movies go, I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was a fun movie.

So I watched that one on the way there. And then on the way back, because it had been so long since I just had. Eleanor, yep. That's the car. Yeah, that's the one. And it had been so long since I had just one good, clean watch through of it.

I watched Terminator on the way back. Nice. The first one. The first one. So Terminator 2 is on the list here for... Have you seen Terminator 2? It's been a very long time. A lot of people think Terminator 2

is like the best one, right? That's what everyone says. Yeah, I'm just getting confused on the movies. I think Terminator 2 is the, yeah. That's what I always thought. I always thought everyone said the second one's the best one. But the first one, yeah, just a classic, man. It's just, it's good.

Like, it's still, it's just very entertaining to watch. It's funny how few lines Arnold actually has in it. But he plays the part well where it's like, no, you are just this lifeless robot that just never stops tracking him down. Crazy how many few lines he has, but how many of them are like. So iconic. the most iconic lines of like the last 50 years in movies yeah they are they are it's just it's good it's just a good it's just a cool movie man it's i can see how you watch that in whatever 90

whatever when that came out and people are like yep this this is the next big thing like this is the guy i can just see how that would change everything so sure um yeah gone in 60 seconds and terminator both those are so i guess i didn't ask it with portland uh do you think you can get strong there. I was actually going to, I forgot about saying this. It is shocking. You know, we've been a lot of places, but man, it does not look like anyone in Portland lifts weights at all. Like no one. You know, like pencil neck city up in there, man. Yeah, here it is. Portland, what's it like the Rose City or something? No, it's the pencil neck city, man. For like a town that has like Nike there, you know, like all these people work for Nike, all this stuff. Right. Just know, and maybe it's just

people are just into cardio there maybe that's all it is but no one bunch pelotoners dude it's got to be no one looks like they lift weights in that city at all not even a little bit it's just like no one does it's it's crazy they're probably hiding some they probably there's probably some good home gyms there that they're hiding in i mean i would hope there's one somewhere but uh yeah yeah man i wasn't seeing it when i was out and about oh my one bit of uh television update i just want to mention this before i completely forget about it. I did watch the rehearsal.

Season two, right? The season two. Yes. And holy shit. Was there like five times? I don't, maybe better not spoil it for people that haven't seen it yet. But I was like,

what is this show even anymore? I know. That's what I'm saying. And then when it's over, I'm like, oh, it's over? What? I don't even understand like what happened. I know.

Like, that's the beauty. It has got to be, I'm not saying it's the best. It's like the oddest reality show that I think has ever existed. Like the turns that it takes that I'm like, what is going on here? And then like, you know what I'm talking about where it gets to those last couple episodes and you find out what he's doing. And it spans like years in time that I'm like, well, you invested years of your life. Actually, what they don't know is I started this six years. years ago.

Yeah. Like, what I'm like, what I don't even know, like maybe you have an opinion. I'm like, was this even a joke for him at a certain point? Or what, like,

what amount of serious was he taking this versus joke? And like, after a while I'm like, I don't even know if anything about this is funny, but it's very captivating. It's the absurdity of it. At a certain point he goes, there's something like,

it's one of the last lines of the whole thing. And this isn't ruining it. but he goes like, is really anybody okay? I guess I'm here, so that proves that I am. But like some of it I'm like, I don't even know if it's comedy or just straight up if he's just like,

there's so many episodes into his, there's so many episodes of the show where you're like, oh, there's like four different threads in this one episode that could all be their own shows. Like you could take it to an end where it is a show. And he makes it, he makes a point,

I had an unlimited budget as long as HBO kept writing checks. Like, because at a certain point, it feels like he's just trying to see how much money he can spend. And I feel like there is, becomes this theme that it didn't start with, like, that the whole thing almost like kind of just becomes about his autism too. Like it just like evolves into the show that's like him, his like denial of his own autism. He's kind of joking about it. But in his case, like, well, or is he that self-aware that he can actually play into it even more? That's, yeah. You're watching like, I don't know.

Is he actually falling for these? or does he intentionally know the wrong thing to do? I think he intentionally, I think he's acting that, I think it's real and he's acting it up though, too. Yeah, I think he, but that, and that's just one other little tiny, I mean, not tiny thing, but that's just one of the many themes in the whole thing that are taking place. Like the actors hiring all these actors all the time to do stuff

that actually weren't necessary at all. I'd say people have to watch this show. I just don't think there's any other show that's like this. It really is like a psychological experiment than anything. It's way different than season one even. For what season one was, I thought was kind of like this. And it took it to an even bigger extreme. Yeah, it's one of the craziest experiments in human psychology and sociology as to what,

how people will act in certain situations, very unusual situations. And then how they will also act when they're put in a group setting where there may or may not be cameras and or money. involved too and it's just it goes on these side projects with like almost like helping like this guy that he's helping date i'm like he invested like a year of like into doing this helping this guy find a date and also not really helping him along the way either no no the one thing i wanted to mention that i thought was for whatever reason out of all the wild things that i thought was so wild is i think it's a congressman or someone he's in his office dude And he's showing him this elaborate video and all this stuff.

And he doesn't know. The congressman doesn't know what he's walking into. Right. He doesn't know what's going on. But I'm like, I was so blown away by how dismissive of the whole thing he was. That was one of my absolutely. Oh, that is crazy that that, like this guy,

whether it's a joke or an HBO show or not, you're like, you can see this guy has spent a lot of time and effort. and something that is... And to be fair, we won't go into the details here, but yeah, so Nathan does get a meeting with a congressman like in his office at

wherever the hell they're at. Washington, D.C. Yeah, I mean, is the capital building or whatever the hell that building is that they're in. And he does a bit of a bait and switch on him in the way that the congressman thought

he was going into a meeting on one thing and they start it, but he quickly, Nathan quickly pivots it to a meeting about another thing, which is, it's not like he's, there's no comedy here. Like he's literally switching it to something that is actually of public safety concerns and all this.

Yes, yes. And he has piles of binders and research data. And the congressman, whoever he was, I was amazed how quickly he just checked out. And then when it's done, Nathan's like, so what do we do here? And the guy literally gets on his phone and doesn't look at him. I'm like,

okay, this is the fucked up thing about Congress. Is that- That's exactly. They have all gotten the mentality that like, no, actually, you know what, we're the kings and you guys answer to us. None of them have the mentality

that we work for you anymore. None of them do. And that guy had it so just blatantly on display of like, you know what? And I have no idea what political party the guy even knows or anything like that. I don't either. I have no clue. It's not even relevant.

No, it's just the way that politicians act that they are now. And I don't think he's unusual in his way of doing that. Like, I would guess most politicians would do the same thing. And I've never seen anyone dismiss anyone on anything the way that he did that. And so, like,

And Nathan is also the king of lingering on things and making it awkward. It didn't faze that guy. One bit. One bit at all. And I'm like, yeah, that's just shows like, yeah, to be a politician at this day and age, whether you think it's the guy that's on your team or not, you kind of have to be a psychopath because, like, you have just decided like, nope, I'm kind of above people to a certain extent here.

That's, I don't even, I didn't pay enough attention to even know who the guy was. I can't even remember his name. What state he was with? What party? I don't know any of those details. tells, but I do know what I took away from it, though, that I'm like, wow, that is like the shit, like, you just sort of, you just have to see it. And I just have hard time.

That was one of the things that stuck with me the most, too. And I'm like, that actually really, really rubs me wrong is that you're supposedly a public servant and someone's bringing up actual public safety concerns to you. And you could not care one bit less about this. And it was a really, albeit it was part of this show that's kind of a, kind of a joke. Like the far you get into it. like, I don't even know what about this is a joke anymore. Like, what part of it's supposed to be funny?

Like, it's like literally the guy has spent years of research and time and all this stuff. There's never like jokes. There's never punchlines. It's always just like you're laughing at the absurdity of situations because they're taking to an extreme. Because it's like, so if Johnny Knoxville comes into your office and he's like, hey, I got a boner question for you. You're like, yeah, I'd like kick him out and stuff. But I'm like, that's not what's going on here. You got like a guy that's put more time and effort into this than probably anyone else ever

has for like so that's that was my biggest thing that I wanted to mention and I'm glad you noticed that too because I thought it was literally insane that was one of the biggest things that stuck out to me the other one that I mean from an actual comedy standpoint the whole thing with the captain sully thing was so insanely just crazy and hilarious what my wife walked in when they were doing the reenactment of the baby you know when the parents were on stilts and she's like what is going on here that is just overly insane I don't even even know like that was an odd turn that I'm like this is so weird that one and then when he figures out the timing between the uh I'm like that had to have been a moment where he sat around

and he's like wait does this timing match up you know between the song playing and when sally replied to the radio message like like that was crazy the amount of research to discover that piece of coincidence because the theory you're presenting while it is plausible and totally hilarious is probably highly unlikely but I And then I like it, like they do the skitt. And at the end, he's like, pilots code, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

There again, the lengths that he goes to in those last couple episodes, the turn that that takes that, I'm like, I know, I can't spoil. I want to spoil it. I desperately want to say what happened there, but I can't say it because it would, you just have to, you have to watch it. But I'm like, that was mind-blowing to me, like, what he did.

And that's the thing is, When you get done with it all, you go, okay, this was like, I don't know, maybe 10 years in the making and seven episodes of a TV show to get to this point. Like, that's what this was all for. Like, how many, like actually countless hours, hundreds, if not thousands of people involved over the years to make this whole thing work? And at the end, you're like, and that was it, huh? That was what this was for? It's wild. Yeah.

Wild. Watch the rehearsal. That's a good recommendation. also while we're recommending head over to barefoot dot store you can look sharp move free maybe if you're headed to a Portland trip you could throw them on walk down uh manzanita beach manzanita beach you could put on your ozos maybe if you want to look sharp we I bet you could look fit in there wearing the Bruin Patriot boot I bet that would be a certain look you could throw on a flannel in the brewing patriot boot that's one thing actually that's

funny to be at Portland is for how counterculture it is people seem to all gravitate towards a similar, similar thing. You know, there's a specific counterculture that everyone's in on. It's counterculture as long as it's the specific counterculture. That's the funny part about it. We're all individuals that just happen to all like the same thing. It's kind of true for a lot of things. Oh, it is.

It is. Like, yeah, it's not just Portland. It's not just Portland. It's just they have their specific thing. Yeah, yeah. We're all wildly crazy individuals over here that just all happen to arrive at the same conclusion. But you could be very unique in a pair of barefoot shoes.

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Yeah, you could be in Canada and wear barefoot shoes, I think, couldn't you? Pretty sure they allow it. Yeah. I don't think there's a tear. Wherever you're going, wherever you're headed, make sure it's in a pair of barefoot shoes. Wherever you're headed. We're pretty sure it's allowed.

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