Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 493: The END of Commercial Gyms?

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

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If you don't follow Massanomics, you all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. Tommy, we're back for episode 493. We just finished up an exceptionally greasy pre-show. And we're sliding right into the show show. This is the lifting podcast about nothing. Recorded live from the corners of the Dakotas.

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grip. They're black. They're e-coated. They're made to last a lifetime and then some. I was recently just today working on a little home gym project that involved me moving some things around. And every time, you know, when you're in the gym mode, it's a little different when you're moving barbells and plates. But then when you're just in the move stuff around mode, everything feels like twice as heavy. Is it just me or do you feel the same way, Tanner? That's absolutely, that's a fact. That's scientifically proven. But the one thing that didn't change is when you're not in gym mode and you're just in moving mode the plates are still so easy to grip like they're just so easy to to grab onto it's still smooth like paradoxally soon yeah yeah so

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It makes for a funny meme. We've done one that's got, been really popular. I see mostly Matt did one here recently of the Oppenheimer scene talking about a paradox. But that's the smooth but easy to grip. That actually could recycle that. Strentco should probably recycle that about their plates, how they're so smooth. How can the plate, the caption is, how can the plates be so smooth yet easy to grip? It's paradoxal.

And yet it works. Yes. I agree with the smooth and easy to grip. I agree with everything being terrible to move when you're, not actually lifting. Are we going to talk about your gym upgrades? Like, is any of that have to be saved for YouTube? No, I think.

Because this will come on next week. We can probably talk about all of it. I don't know. I don't know if it needs to be under wraps, because it might be under wraps for a few weeks, depending on how things go then. Is any of it related to our title topic this week? Actually, kind of, I mean, it kind of in an overarching sense is.

I don't know. We'll save it. We'll get to there a little bit. We'll get to there a little bit. Okay. Well, that's just a fun teaser for. what we have coming in the latter half of this episode. That's

ladder, right? The latter. I don't know if I understand what those definitions as to why they are what they are. To this day Do you ever have to Google it? No, no, no. What I was going to say is to this day when people use the

ladder and former? Yeah, I was to say what do you call that the comparison device of the former rather than the latter and every time I know what they mean but I have to actually go back and look through both of them for that to make sense in my brain to register what the former and what the latter is every single time does the former the former is the first thing they mention the latter is the last thing they mention the former is the first but does that make

sense i like i get that that that's why it's confusing to me i think is that the former is the first like i don't know yeah i i'd want to know there's definitely some weird old english thing that will explain why that is correct but big cam agrees it doesn't make it's not it's not immediately obvious at all garrett says it's the thing you formerly mentioned and the thing you laterally mentioned i'm not really for sure familiar with the term laterally in that i don't know if that's right it's the thing you latterly mentioned i don't know if i like i'd never use the word laterally like lateral is parallel right to me that's what that would Yeah, but, yeah.

Gary said it's a heuristic, and there's where I'm like, well, now I need to look up the definition of heuristic to know. If you start using all these terms that I just semi-understand, you use terms I semi-understand to define something I semi-understand. By the end of it, I'm like, okay, we're going to need more terms here. It's a weasel, it's a wazzle, it's a. Big Dad Ched says, formerly known as is the first thing you're known as. There's something.

Well, I get that. Like, that one's obvious. I mean, we all know Prince, you know, the artist formerly known as Prince, you know. Right, right, right. So I just don't like that saying. I'm going to be on record. I don't like that saying. I don't think it's a, if you're going to drop one of those into a written statement,

just be prepared for me to hit the brakes for a moment before I continue reading. Yeah. Big Shalom says former is like previous, but like the first previous thing. I mean, I just think it's too complicated. Let's keep things simple. Are you talking about the first thing you said or the second? Exactly. Just don't stay away from that whole naming structure. Don't do that. Yeah. Okay. What was that about though? I have no idea. No, what were we talking about? Not a clue. But what were we talking about? Don't even know. What was the form? in the latter thing, though. I don't know. I have no idea. Totally lost it at this point. I mean, we were talking about Oppenheimer at one point and Strength Co memes, but.

Yeah. I do not remember what we were talking about. So, okay, yes. The latter part of the episode, we're going to talk about Tommy's home and like crazy. I'm back. I'm back, baby. I'm getting thirsty.

see all this hard thinking we're doing here. So what the hell are we going to talk about in the former? That's the question. What do you got? I got a Kirkland grapefruit, sparkling water here. I got something special here. Oh, orange juice? Orange juice.

Orange juice? What the hell's going out over there? Well, I am past my fat. I'm past my protein. The only thing I need left today is some carbohydrates. And I do like orange juice. All right. I am becoming an orange juice fan,

especially on now that I'm tracking. It's always the thing that I'm, you have to eat so much rice when rice is like your, it's a lot. Like my carb source is rice. Just like occasionally toast, occasionally bagels, but there's just not that much in any of it.

Like it's hard to get 500 grams. of carbs in a day. It's a lot of carbs. Yeah. So many carbs. Yeah. Do the Michael Felt, you just have to point you're at the Michael Phelps thing where he just gets to drink like 10 just sugary drinks a day to fuel the machine.

Like I absolutely. And well, my thing is too, I drink no sugary drinks. I eat no sugary food or anything like that. So I'm never getting any of that. So then it comes the end of the night and I'm like, I don't know. I could eat. But it's like I can't ever have any. more fat. I'm like, well, I just

tipped the scale on my fat. So it's, I have to even be, sometimes I'm like, well, I can't, milk can't really be my answer. No, and you can't just have like four more protein shakes to end the day to get there on calories. Because, like, do you really need that much protein in the day? Well, and then I'm going to be at 400 grams of protein. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like,

yeah. Yeah. Anthony says I could switch to full sugar coke. There you go. I am a Coke zero man until I die. You'd hate to confuse chat GPT. all of a sudden ones they got you pinned down. Gary says muffins.

Is our muffin, do muffins not have much fat? Boy, maybe they do. I don't know. I hope the Costco ones had a lot of fat in them. Yeah. Pretzels. Yeah. I like fruit.

So fruit's the easy answer for me, you know, bananas and stuff like that. But sometimes I'm like, yeah, I don't even want anymore food. I just don't even like fruit in the first place of that much. but yeah, everybody, but you said already ate bagels, right? You said, that's what Booke said. He says he just pounds bagels all day long. Yeah, I do that. And the thing is, though, too, since I'm always at my fat limit,

I'll have a bagel with, like, I have a little bit of peanut butter now. I don't like, just be like, oh, yeah, this is a serving of peanut butter. Is that crazy how much fat you could actually get in? Yeah, I'm like, oh, no, this is a serving of peanut butter. And then I'm like, I actually, like, right now all I can have is half a serving of peanut butter or no peanut butter you know french toast bagels just had those for the first time recently and to me those things just it's like i'm eating dessert and i can just eat them plain i mean i toast them to warm up a little but i can just eat those plain with nothing on them

um i pretty much have to always eat my plane because there's not many things that i could i guess you could put like jam on it or something like something sugary but i'm you know oh okay yeah another around this topic actually this this actually falls into something uh talking, well, okay, oh, were you going to ask me how many carbs I have on mine? Is that what you're going to say? Yeah, yeah. Mine's that, mine's at 260. And I routinely, I routinely, I routinely, I'll go under on that and make up for it on fat because I still, it's still. What's your fat number? My fat's 90. Yeah, that's low too. Yeah. That now is like 122. Yeah. I mean, a lot of times, like I said, I'll be at 90, but, you know, 10 calories of fat is, or 10 grams of fat is that 100 calories versus. what 30 calories or what's it three or four for carbs right um so you just get so many more it's just so many more it's just so much easier to put calories down when it's fat you know oh if that's the

easiest thing to do it's so easy fat calories are so easy to like i that is so easy to do i could understand the appeal of uh potentially a ketogenic diet where i'm like okay like i just eat a shitload of fat all the time i mean i know it's not that simple and there's a then you're restricting. But it kind of is that simple. What I was going to say was I wrote down Shredder here. I ordered the $7. Is this Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

It is not. It is not this time. I was hoping it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles related. Nope, this is a bait and switch. Injus and a half shell. Turtle power. My boy is starting to really like the show.

He kind of likes the show because there's like 10 different versions of it on, but he really likes the theme song. Theme song does it for him. But I ordered the $7 plastic chicken shredder grinder thing. off of Amazon. Cowabunga, dude. It works surprisingly good. So is it the one that you go like this?

You just put on the countertop and it just sticks in place and you just work it back and forth. I got to be honest, for seven bucks, I'm like, this thing probably doesn't work for $7. That's so cheap. Yeah. And I was like, but also it's $7. So I'm out nothing if I just throw in the trash. And it's good, man.

It's good. It's, uh, I'm sure having a, uh, the mixer, beater, whatever thing you use, is probably better. But I also didn't want to buy one of those because then I got to mess with one of those. So that's another thing to clean and stuff. It is. That is too. But can you fit like a chicken, do you put like a chicken breast in?

Yeah, you should put like a chicken breast in at a time. So do you just slap a chicken breast in it? You just push it down and you kind of got to work it in. And it just, I mean, it really quickly shreds it though. Yeah. And then you kind of got a reposition. Like 20 seconds or something or? Probably.

And I mean, it's no effort. Like it's no effort. Right. It's not. And so you're not like slamming. Oh, God, no. No, it's like, just set it on it. And the second you start turning it, it's instantly shredding it, you know,

you know, and then you kind of reposition the chunks so that they're, you know, because they get in the grooves where they're not hitting anything. So you kind of just reposition it on there a few times. And yeah, I mean, 30 seconds easy. You have one shredded. And it's so much faster and easier than taking the double fork method to shred your chicken. The double fork method kind of sucks. That's actually work.

And it's messy too. Yeah. Yeah. So I would highly recommend. recommend the $7 Amazon Chicken Shredder. If anyone's playing the shredded chicken game here. Check out our affiliates tab on massonomics.com. Amazon is an affiliate tab.

So we could probably be making like 70 cents if you click on it and buy tummy's chicken trot. Oh, and if you want to really treat yourself, I don't know about you. What's your food scale situation like? I have a little food scale. It's about this big. I guess it's, it works.

It sucks, but... I mean, it doesn't... What's yours like? I bought one, well, Walmart, a year ago when I first started tracking. And basically since the day I bought it, there must be like a loose connection in the batteries because 95% of the time when I set it down, it turns on and then it instantly turns off

and it will not turn back on until I remove the battery and put it back in. And it's not bad batteries because I've switched the batteries out multiple times. So I've just subconsciously got to the point in my head where every time I need to use the scale, which is multiple times a day, I just opened up the back,

pop out the batteries, pop them back in, pop the thing back on and then turn it on. And it's so annoying. And I complained about it all the time. And for Christmas, my wife must have told, I can't remember who told someone in the family this. They got me a new scale for Christmas. I used that one for like a month. And one day I was using, I'm like, I put my plate back on three different times.

And all three different times, the weight changed drastically. And I'm like, how long has it been doing this? So then I got rid of that one. And then I've been just now the last seven months, eight months, whatever. I've been roughing it with this terrible one, so I finally upgraded to the, what's it, the Oxo OXO brand. It's like a $40 food scale on Amazon.

And, oh, man, just to have something that works. It's like I'm living. It's the way to go. It's like I'm living the luxury life over here right now. Yeah, mine's reliable, so I guess I can't complain about that. Well, mine was not reliable. That was the thing. Neither one of them were, too, neither one was reliable.

So the thing I'd say about scales as I've now been tracking, and I'm a bit of an expert now that I've been tracking for over a month is the tear option is your friend. Oh, God, yeah. Like what I love to do is throw my plate on there, tear it, put the stuff on there, put the first ingredient on there, tear it. Oh, you will. Put the second ingredient on there, tear. Like tonight I had roast beef, mashed potatoes, zucchini, and it's just like I add my roast beef, that's how many ounces. Tear. Add my mashed potatoes, that's how many ounces.

Tear. Add my zucchini. That's how many ounces. You know, this kind of reminds me of our talk last week of a set. You know, it's like you're breaking a set up into a set of nine. We've got to talk about that. It's like a set of nine and you went one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. Because, you know, I said I count one through nine. Same thing when I'm doing the food for the most part, I'm like, rice, five ounces. Okay, chicken, let's get that to five ounces.

Okay, veggies, let's get that to seven. And I just remember five, seven. And then when I go sit down, I type it in. So that's how I. So what are you putting it on on the scale then? what do you mean well you said you get your chicken oh yeah i tear the plate yeah i put the plate down tear and then yeah and then i just you know dump the rice in until i'm at like let's just say five ounces or six ounces whatever i want to be right and then i take the chicken until like in

my head if i want to be at six ounces until it gets to 12 oh you're just adding yeah yeah i'm just adding yeah okay yeah yeah right okay i see the difference thing you're not hitting the tear button yeah yeah you're doing that requires quite a bit of mental math A whole big mental math guy over here, big time. The macro factor discount code massonomics. All we're talking about, use discount code massonomics at macro factor. That's what we use it is really good.

So the counting thing, we talked about it on the last week's episode because who had that question? I knew it and I just, oh, it was a big, Jose, big Boston Jose. Okay. Big Boston, Jose, a bit of a math guy, I believe. He's the one that figured out the probability equation for the two of us

wearing the same shirt on the podcast also. Oh, okay. All right. Big math guy. So Big Jose asked us about the counting. I had never, I said I'd never talked about that before to anyone in my life. And you had obviously never heard of anyone doing that before. we did a post of it on Instagram

and the YouTube video itself and it opened up a can of worms that what I even do is just the tip of the iceberg compared to what other people do. I'm like, wow, some people, like here's one that people do. So what we're talking about is counting.

We'll say a set of 15 because that was our example. In your head, you're going to count one through 15. And every number closer to 15 is even better. That's how my brain thinks. Just one through 15. And if I'm going to do a set of 15, I did it today.

I count to five three times. I go one, two, three, four, five. And then I'm like, because to me, then I'm like, oh, six. Six is still so far away from 15. But if I'm like, oh, no, I just have to do five. I never have to do more than five. It's just five. And then five again.

And it's like, I never have to do 15. I just have to do five. And like five isn't a big mountain for me to climb. But today I did a set of six. and I joked that I count two sets of three, I don't actually do that. I start doing that. I believe at 10, I would really have to pay attention.

I don't think below 10 and I don't do any tricks. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. And I think a lot of people are being 100% serious when they're saying their methods. Like a lot of people said on a set of 15, they'll count up to 8, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and then go back down the chain and go 7, six five four three two one i don't get it i don't i don't get it i actually do this sometimes

to help myself jake actually meant it here i mentioned it here and i've i've done this in other things too he goes one two three four five two two three four five oh three two three four five i've done that that's too many number games like when i'm thinking through the set i don't i just want to just the only thing i want to be thinking about is the next number not like jumping around and playing these games that's why i can't do that and uh uh i definitely do that that jake is doing there and i don't know if like that's a military counting thing that we do that because i'm not sure where that comes from but i've definitely done that at things i like garret these are some of the insane ones that i heard on a set of 15 uh where do you say i count

to seven then three then four then one i literally And if someone's doing that, I mean, that's awesome. I literally can't think like that when I'm, like I struggle. I for real struggle when I'm, if I'm benching, let's say it's a, let's say I'd do a set of five and juggernaut will be a set of five pause bench and it's a three count. And in my head if I have to go one, one, two, three, two, one, two, three, like I already, like just that, I start to lose track in my head. That's one of my least favorite things. There's too many numbers going on. So I can't do the number thing.

Well, there was a couple other even crazier ones, and I don't remember them all now, but a couple people were just joking around and saying insane stuff. But there was a lot of people that the takeaway was people break these up a lot, which I didn't know was a thing at all. And apparently it was fairly common. In a lot of different ways that I had never even considered. Like, I would get so confused when Garrett says it goes one through seven, then one through three, then one through four, and then one.

my favorite answer though that someone said on a set of 15 they go and this highlights the absurdity of it of like my method of breaking down hit this answer highlights the absurdity of that he goes uh i just count to one 15 times which is taking it too is not necessary i mean it's extreme where you just go one yeah one so then it's what's funny about that is in your second subconscious you're like You got two thought trains going there. Right. You're counting the ones.

You're like, no, I just say one every time. But in my mind, I'm like, oh, that's one, two, one three. That can't be a thing, though, right? Like, I do not think so. I mean, that's the craziest one. I don't think so. Wow. Yeah.

Okay. That reminded me talking about social media. Why did, what did Bleacher report ask? Was it for actually the horse doll met? Yeah, they posted it on TikTok today. I want to know why they thought that video was relevant to their audience. Well, also, if you look at Bleacher Report TikTok, I'm like, oh, I guess they didn't post it today.

And then I scrolled down, it's they post on TikTok, I don't know, 50 times a day. Oh, they do. Oh, yeah. So they're just doing it was buried, like they're just posting everything. Okay. TikTok doesn't matter. Like I've heard people say this before. TikTok, there's no, like, it's like, oh, you just posted.

Oh, no, you posted again. It is literally you want as many. This is what I understand of it. You want as many out there as possible. And it's not going to penalize you for having just posted. Like, they might have posted like 10 posts in five minutes. Wow. I did not realize that's how TikTok was at all.

Yeah, that's what I've heard before. And when I, this is the first. case that I've really seen and I'm like well bleacher report has like 12 million followers they probably know something of what they're doing you know there's probably a clear strategy behind that you know uh it was actually funny today jack called me and he's like because i he didn't know anything about it and he's like your post is on bleacher report oh really yeah he saw it so that was like blowing his mind and the caption there it is but the caption was uh i i really like their caption they actually looked into it because their caption was like lift hard live

Easy is just different fire emoji. I thought that that was really interesting that someone did their homework enough to know that it was like the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic event. And then there's also a lot of comments on there already when I checked about people being like, oh, that's not that heavy. How is this even hard? You know, I didn't see any comments about their legs yet this time, but maybe those are coming.

Because everyone commenting already has a really small legs. yes yes but there's a lot of but then there's also a lot of people that get in there on the comments that are like no actually these and they are don't even like some of them are farm people some of them are horse people and they're like no trust me I move these or no I work at a farm store these are terrible there's always a lot of people arguing back on that from what I've seen and it's usually not like gym people it's just like people that have moved horse stall mats before horsey people yeah it's horse people equestrian Types.

Yeah. So that was funny to see it make Mathonomics make Bleacher Report. To your original question, I have no idea why. I think just because they saw how viral it was on our page and that's probably like 50% of their

like if that, I mean that's the only way they're going to see it to begin with, I guess, but I don't know. Yeah. So we've officially made it on Bleacher Report. Mark that off the list. what is bleacher report is that just a social media uh no they might have like some type of well i mean mean it's mainly like a social media thing but they might have some type of bigger presence online with like

do they have like sportscasters in the sense that that's what i'm wondering or they're like are they like social media sportscasters right um but they have i mean they're kind of almost like an espn of sorts though Like you go to their website and they just have all this stuff on there. Right. So if they are like an ESPN though, is there somewhere where you watch Bleacher Report things other than TikTok and Instagram shorts? I don't know that for sure.

Okay. Does HBO maybe have some Bleacher Report stuff? Yeah. They have some tie-in with HBO. Okay. Yeah, that's right. I was going to say it's not a box office. It's the home box office.

We do have a new drop. This is big news. We have a new drop. coming next week. And we have not talked about this at all. Are we going to talk about anything that's in the drop or are we going to let it be surprises or? God.

Because when this comes out. One of the things because it's kind of been seen in YouTube videos. So that's what we're going to talk about. It is the, I'm wearing a lifting department tea. It's not this color. We have a new green lifting department to you. I'm guessing you don't have yours. I just, I had it on earlier today and that thing got sweated through hard.

so yeah don't have it so yeah Big Ben want to know are we talking about the shirt we've been wearing for last month yes it is the um what is the technical term of that green color it's like it's kind of like an olive odie green yeah yeah and yes that one is finally releasing we've been wearing it in videos it's been popping up everywhere we are it is a comfort colors to be clear yes

comfort colors lifting department T fits like a glove though doesn't it a good lifting department glove yeah Ben said forest hunter yeah those are it's both it's in the vein of both of those that's not the definition of it but uh you know I can't remember it's gone then we got some other

something else in this drop that uh is definitely going to pack a wall up I would say but we're not uh not going to disclose that necessarily yet we're going to play that one a little little closer to we're just going to play it a little closer yeah do we know about this other thing we have is this is this other thing ready yet are we aware of not yet there's two things that I think are at port okay right now okay

that UPS has not taken delivery of just because everything going on with everything going on there's two things that are at the port but we do not I think there are in the United States but I don't know that they're yet moving any closer to us. So it is to TBD, if anything else will be in there or not. Would you say Sage would be like the correct name for that shirt, maybe? Yeah. I like that the best of the ones we've thrown around so far. I'm pretty sure that's the name.

That's what it is. Okay, that's that's what it is. It's Sage Green. Yeah. So that'll be Thursday, September 18th, the afternoon. we're dropping that sage green lifting department tea at least one of the thing that's a big heavy hitter and then TBD on other stuff because we don't know if it's going to get here.

So there could be like two other things, there could be no other things or like two to three other things. We'll just see. Yeah, so it depends on what gets here or what doesn't get here and waits until October then or November. But at least it will be, the very least it will be in October. Yes. yes okay so that's the new drop oh like we said we're going to talk about those gym upgrades

how about a little update on crew falls we're up to 30 people signed up for our crew falls event now if you want to get involved in crew falls that is December 6th and 7th i believe in sue falls south dakota you go to our website and go to drop down see all the details if you need to read it. And that's also where you can get signed up. Signing up doesn't cost anything. It's just a way of us for us to know and be able to plan on who's going to be there

and to make sure we can make accommodations on anything. It costs to come. You know, you've got to get here. We're not paying for you to come to Crew Falls, but we're not charging you anything above and beyond what it's going to take for you to get here and stay. So we are, I guess this is news. I don't, or we did announce it last time.

We are going to be lifting at Los Campionnes. Yeah. again this year. We're back at Los for round two. So get signed up for that if you're interested. That's coming in December. More formerly, we're going to be, what is today? Wednesday?

In two days, we're going to be doing gym tours in South Dakota at Tommy's home gym for one of them. Yeah, we're going to do a couple videos at my house, actually. We're going to do a few videos at your house. We're going to record all day that day, a few videos at your house. We're going to tour Alan Larson's gym in Sioux Falls, and then we're going to tour a couple Brookings gyms, Brookings, South Dakota's gyms in that same day. It'll be a fun day.

That will be a fun day. And then later in September, we're going to do at least nine more gym tours on the East Coast. So in September, in two weeks, we're filming like 14 gym tours. That's pretty crazy. That's a lot of numbers on that. a lot of gym tours. Yeah.

There is talk about the crew gift. So should we talk about the line in the sand? Yeah, we should. Yeah. Keith asked if Alan's crew. Yes, Alan is crew. The line in the sand, though, we actually do have a line in the sand. We're talking about the special crew mailer that's coming out.

Well, it's coming out really soon. We're going to tell you you have a little. bit of time left to get signed up. The official line in the sand, if you want in on this mailer, and everything came. The last of it showed up today, so that's why we can put the official line in the sand. I've got samples or whatever you want to say of everything sitting right here in front of me, and the last of it was the best of it. And I'm very excited. This is going to be, I believe, the best crew mailer we've ever had. The line in the sand, which it's a proverbial line in the sand

where if you join prior to the line in the sand, you're going to get in on this crew mailer. Do you want to be in the former or the latter side of the line? If you join on the latter side of the line, which is after, in this case, you're not going to get in on this crew mailer. You will have been too late. So you would, I know I've verbalized it this way before,

but if we don't convince you, to join up before this line in the sand, we failed. It's not your fault. Like, I feel like that's totally on us. I feel like, you know, mostly everything we've done is for nothing if we can't get you to join up here before this line in the sand because it's everything.

We might just shut the podcast down at that point. It's just, I, we failed. The whole thing, what's it been for? For nothing. We'll probably quit before we get to 500. Yeah, so the line in the sand is going to be September 24th. If you join up by September 24th, I mean, just join up now. Don't wait until September 24th.

You'd be, that's put, that's like way too close. You don't want to be that close to getting cut off on the line. September 24th is the line in the sand. That's also the line in the sand to give us your updated mailing address if you're already at existing supporting member. If your address, mailing address has changed, make sure to give us that address. If you're not sure if we have the right one or not, you can still. send it to me and I'll double check.

You can DM it to us on Discord or Instagram or you can send us an email to Get Big at Massonomics.com. Any of those ways we can get your updated address input in there. Is that everything on the line? Did I like is it clear? Do you think it's clear what the line in the same rules are? I mean, you made it as clear as you can for now. There's going to be a little more urgency next week.

But still is pretty important to get signed up if you've ever been thinking about Yeah, I just lay awake at night sick to my stomach thinking about the poor soul that listens to the podcast all the time. They watch our YouTube stuff. They love it. And they don't take the leap to get signed up before this line in the sand. That's what. People ask what worries me. That's what worries me is that you know who you are right now.

You're listening to this. You're like, man, they're really, are they talking about me? Yes. Yes. You're thinking even for a second, are we talking about you? Yes, we're talking about you. Yes, get signed up. You won't regret it.

There's a community aspect to this thing that it's like no other. That brings me to supporting our supporting members. It's a relatively new segment of the Massonomics podcast. We really like to give back to those that support us. So get in on this. You can get on on supporting members. What you really get in on, I talk about different checkmarks. that you get in on, different things you get in.

What you get in on is the community. People, other people throw around this community word in our space. Companies. Community this, community that. Community community. Most of them don't got it. Most of them don't have it. A lot of them talk to talk.

Not a lot of them walk to walk. We have the community and I'd put our community up against anyone else's community in a Royal Rumble any day of the week. So get in on the community and get in on supporting our supporting members this week. Big Eddie ran a Highland game competition. Big Kurt was there and Big Scott were both there. Big Andrew was there. He won first place in the C-Class.

Big Waffle Iron was there and he won the Athlete of the Day Award. Nice. Big macho got third place in his Clydesdale category in his Iron Man tune-up of event. I don't even know what any of those words mean. We don't have to. Okay. He got third place Clydesdale as maybe a larger human being category, is my guess. Okay.

I don't know if there's a weight limit for that. So you think it's just a creative way for like a heavyweight class is the name? Something like that, maybe. I'm not sure. That's just my guess. That's purely a guess. So that was the first part. What was the second part of that? He was competing in Iron Man event and I know there's different lengths of Iron Man.

Oh. Or there's different, there's different lengths of triathlons. Okay. And I think this was what, like, his last one he's doing before the big Iron Man that he's doing. Okay, so he was not riding a Clydesdale through the Iron Man competition. That was not part of it. I like to think he was. Actually, I feel like I'm wrong and it is now that he was riding a horse.

He just entered, it's like, oh, it's not that complicated. He entered the Clydesdale division. It's just the horse he wrote. Uh, big narrow Pavlo, they, him and his, uh, wife had a second baby, said they're now up to a combined total of 20 pounds, six ounce total birth weight over two kids. Damn. I like that how you, you add that, you add them. It's cumulative.

Yeah, it's cumulative. Uh, big Mikey Kelch competed in his first powerlifting meet. He said he was inspired to compete from listening to the podcast over the years. Well, there you go, man. That's awesome. You get a 540 squat, 3D5 bench and 540 deadlift. Shouldn't have been waiting around so long with numbers like that. That's, yes.

Big Bryce, perfect little sweetie himself got engaged. Congrats on the impending funeral. Man, yep, if there's one guy that's going to fit the stereotype, he's definitely going to quit lifting once he gets married. Yeah, you can tell. He's going to be like, no, I got a girl now. I don't got time for the gym. They're too busy.

The guy now is pictured Bryce as that type of guy. This is the excuse he was looking for. He's just been looking for an excuse for like 10 years and hasn't been able to find one. Now he's got that excuse. He's got to go full time on the Huckpin Barbell show. He needs that job. He's married and he's on the Huckpin Barbell show.

So he just can't lift it. He doesn't have time to lift. more, no. Big Adam was competing at Northeast Regional's USAPL. Big Sam Bob ran the Tameside 5K with the time of 23 minutes and 33 seconds. Big Jake, big sea bass, and big Alex all competed at Fargo in the strongest on the prairie strongman competition. Alex got fifth in the 105 class. Seabass got fourth in the super heavyweight and big Jake the snake the runner of the massonomics strong man competition at the lift hard leave easy got second walking the walk he got second in the 105 class nice big lucas was competing at america's strongest masters and walked away with fifth

place in his class he set prs in five out of six events Arizona's strongest man went down We had Big Toby, Big Dan and Big Ryan all competing together, a three crew there. Toby won the master's class. Ryan won the under 80. I'm not sure about Dan's results. And Big Brad competed in as Highland Games. I see, I think he got top three in his class at least.

And what was there one other thing? Keith, who is the guest this week on Unpaid and Underrated? It was Big Jory. Our answer my own question is, Big Jory is this week's, guest on unpaid and underrated. Make sure to go give that a listen. It's our braddy, rotten little sister podcast, unpaid and underrated. Find them anywhere that you listen to podcasts.

Keith tried to write Jory seven times in the Discord, and every time it came out, Joey, and Garrett had to let him know that Joey's actually the co-host. He was not just a guest this week. So that is supporting our supporting members. one other thing I would add just because I've noticed some people doing it no pressure on this

I'm not much of a guy to give a sales pitch but I just would note I had a couple people lately that had existing supporting memberships and this has come up maybe this saves me having to DM a few people and they wanted to increase their level

and they wanted to know how they do that so the easiest way I had them do it is just start a new supporting membership for the level that they want to be at. Then once that's done, go and cancel their old one. And then you don't lose your spot in line. We keep your supporting member number, your supporting member spot in line.

But then just your change from, say, say you got in at the $3 level and you're like, hey, this is worse so much to me. I just, I can't afford not to be at the $6 level. I just feel criminal. Criminal, not giving these guys more. Yeah, so then that's been my recommendation. Just sign up for the new level.

And then in the comments, right, hey, I'm signing up at a new level, you stupid horses' asses. Don't just do that. Hey, I'm signing up at a new level, you stupid horses' asses. So that way I see the comment and know what's going on. Or you can DM us and let us know. But that's come up a little bit that people just feel like I, they've felt guilty, I think.

Like they're, you know, the lead up to us, like they're stealing from us. Right. and they just want in at more. And I'm like, okay, fine. You can sign up at a higher level. We will figure out a way. We do not want you to feel like you're robbing from us. Should we do a certified training facility of the week?

I am just excited for this. Okay. Oh, do you have one because I do actually have one again? No, I don't have one. Okay. Let's go to new pictures here. You want to go on a journey? yeah all right let's go on a journey we are going to go to

are we going overseas we're going overseas baby hell yeah we're going to go to what country is this Sweden mm the Swedish and near Copenhagen mm-hmm we are going to go to a little place called victory village hot muscle damn okay I give us a quick cycle through but damn okay I guess they do things a little different in Europe is this what all the home gyms are like there so what did I say

the name of that was a victory village muscle club muscle in not rabbi Sweden probably said that 100% wrong nope that's right I'm for sure I know okay well yeah if you said it's right that I know it's right yeah

okay so this is I don't even know is This, it's got to be in someone's house, right? This is in a house. Oh, no, no. This is a garage. If you look at, okay. So this is a garage.

All right. First photo. Are we ready for this, Tanner? Yeah. First photo, we got a dumbbell rack. The walls, it looks very nice. Like, it, the flooring is something premium. It's like a large tile.

It kind of looks like horse stall mats, but I don't think it is. It's got maybe a beveled edge of those corners. Yeah. It has a nice fitament together. And then you have a wall. a wall of mirrors you have a full dumbbell rack I don't know what kind of dumbbells they are

but then there's like all this awesome backlighting there's a ski erg in the corner feeling they might be a vanco or a leco I mean just because we'll notice a little bit of a theme as we go through the rest of the gym so I think dumbbells could my guess is a leco but I don't know okay and it looks like a

full set there's a lot there yes if we go to the next photo is the dumbbell rack oh no the lighting is below there's backlight below the mirror on that back wall. Do you see that? Yep, yep. And you mentioned the infamous skier.

Yeah, in the corner over there. Very European of them. It's very, very Scandinavian of them with their skiing heritage. Next photo we have what appears to be a garage door. But they have like a false wall of some kind in front of it or something. Like, what is that? Yeah. You know, there definitely is like some sort of false wall because he has all his attachments from it.

you know those would be relatively heavy yeah so they have this wall yeah like you said with all the attach i don't know there's what 30 20 30 attachments on there's a lot yeah and then we're seeing some illegal bumpers there's some type of cable pull-down machine you got like an assault bike and then just some type of just stationary spin bike or something in the corner is there a rower back there too or not a rower where what is like in front of in the for Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, that is a rower, I think. Yeah.

Man, there's so many things there. I couldn't even see that tucked in there. So, yeah, I think there's a rower. There's also some more dumbbells on the wall. They look like they're set up a little more decoratively. Along with, I'm assuming, those are leco kettlebells there? I would say they're probably like competition style kettlebells. Yeah, they're colored.

They look pretty cool. I don't know if I've seen ones like that before. The next photo, we got the barbell wall. is one, two, three, four, five, like six barbells on there. Definitely in the LICO red, red, uh, you can see the red, uh, I don't know if that ring that's on the Lico barbell. Oh, yeah, yeah, I, yep, yeah, like the IPF sticker on the barbell. Right. Sticker, there you go. That's a word.

You got that, they have the, uh, what do you call that style of plate storage where they're, uh, like that, um, that style, yeah, where they sit up, like where they sit up, like where they sit up, where the dumbbells are sorry last time we talked about it i couldn't remember i've got a couple of those yeah where the bumper plates sit up sometimes i've said sandwich and that's i don't know why i say that that's not right it's uh i know what you're talking about it's not suitcase is it this is a suitcase or i don't know you actually said toaster maybe it's oh maybe it is toaster yeah maybe that's why i say sandwich yeah that's i think that's right that would make i think it's toaster those for now on those will be known as toaster racks from now on if they're not they are

There we go. Some leg press machine is some kind of here. It's hard to tell. The photo is just a little small. I can't quite get the brand on it. I mean, it looks nice. But then...

Do you think that that leg press moves up and down on a track or does that have like a pendulum... Again, I just can't tell. I can't tell from that. And I'm not... Oh, does it say Jim Liko on it? Is that what it is?

So I would think maybe it just stays on a, track but behind it though do we get some vintage alico plates on that wall vintage leco plates i don't know much about vintage leco plates but they look pretty cool though yeah they do they're all kind of black on the front but then it looks like the uh the outer perimeter of them is different colors i like what about his wall color here in the gym i like it too it's this on the yeah it's like a really dark navy isn't it yeah i would say actually efferance was kind of like this a little bit It kind of has effron vibes. I'm pretty sure this is how Ephrains was too.

A lot of people like to go with the gray or the black, but I think this is a, you know, it still has that darker vibe, but it's just slightly different than the monochromatic thing that a lot of people do. Next photo, you can see the rack. I'm assuming this is that Aliko, it's the Pristera.

Is that what that series is? It's the Doc Tatwaf's wrap. What did our friend, Doc Tatwafs have? Yeah, I think that's a little. but it is Alika Pristera, I believe. That reminds me before we forget, do you know what Dr. Taddy Waffles's last name is?

I mean, you've seen it in our... I mean, I've definitely seen it before. I can't remember, though. Okay. I don't know how much he puts out his name, so I won't say it. But the, I heard... Well, I mean, I did hear him say it on a podcast,

so it must not be big top secret or anything like that. The way he pronounces it, I would not have even remote. considered pronouncing it like that in one million years that and when he said that I'm like no you're making that up and it's actually you know why his gym do you remember it's the salty goat garage gym do you have you pulled up his name before do you see anything no I went to the wrong place to look here okay I'm going doing the next spot that'll tell me for sure yeah and here's a shout out actually yeah here's two sporting members actually Keith

brings it up, that's where I heard it. Dr. Taddy Waffle supporting member was on Vintage Wates Rob's podcast and I listened to that as a great listen. I enjoy listening to both of those and it was a good, good episode. So go give that a listen. You can find out more about Dr. Taddy Waffles and his leco rack that he also has.

I can't find it in this list. Okay. Well, I assume he's not going to mind if I say how you spell his name but it's it's spelled this is what I think I think it's spelled G-A-U-T-H-E-R

how do you say G-A-U-T-H-E-R I got G-A-U-T-H Oh like Gouther That's what I would say Yeah Yeah you wouldn't you say that? Yeah

You want to know how you say it how anyone let play listening along at home how do you say this name g-a-u-t-h-e-r yep big scant's knows and big scantz knows for good reason actually uh he has an unfair advantage it is french it's goatea oh really go-tie a really yes really he scantz actually nailed it yeah he he knew uh knew that one and it must be the French connection that he's got there on that. Yeah, Gautier. And I told Dr. Teddy Waffles, nope, I've been sitting in my head one way way too long.

It's been too long. I'm not able to change that now. It is Gauther. See, I looked at this in the list and I'm like, oh, I must be remembering his name wrong because there's no way that that name, that last name could be interpreted differently. But, yeah, don't know French, man.

Yeah Okay Side tangent Hmm Amazing All right Where were you on the Oh yeah

We were doing this gym tour Okay So we're looking at the Eliko Prestera rack Let's go past that one You can see There's a few barbells in the rack It's just hard to tell what's there

I see a curl bar It looks like he's got a loading pin down there That he should get a horse stall mat Yeah Should absolutely There is a curl bar in the corner I don't know if you can see that laying in the corner of the rack

there is a curl bar there oh yeah of course the next photo has another angle of the vintage plates on the wall that's cool there's some little coffee cups hanging too oh yeah it's an leak of coffee cup it's cool and then last one

yeah you can see that row or a little better some more of the attachments concept too I wonder what it's 100 meter dash time is that's the challenge that's been sweeping the nation again last photo let's get this done last photo Oh, yeah, you can just see the rest of the gym. Man.

Yeah, great looking gym. Yep. Best certified training facility from Sweden I've ever toured virtually. Absolutely. I think we'll ever do international gym tours. I actually was thinking, well, one last question I did have about that. Do you think you could get strong in the Victory Village Muscle Club? Oh, hell, yeah.

Is that like a Swedish accent? I don't know. Or is that just a Minnesota accent or a South Dakota? exit. I'm counting it. Okay. Okay. I'm counting that. I think that's good. Okay. That's better than what I could have come off with. I think it's really good, actually. I think it was perfect.

All right. Nailed it. Your other question, though, I did think about that the other day. Do you think we'll ever do international gym tours? I kind of have a feeling we will. I don't know when or where. Well, do you consider Canada international? That's not what I was thinking. Okay. Like if you say that, then yes, I definitely think we would do that at some point in time. Yeah.

I mean, it for sure is international. That's just, I think. You were thinking more like hopping across in an ocean of some kind. Right, right. Yeah. And I see that happening. What do you think? I mean, I'd love to.

It'd make it way more convenient if a lot of people in certain European areas would just sign up so we could pack these things together. Yeah. I just, I picture it happening. us someday. That'd be pretty sweet. Be a big trip. You can also become a certified training facility. There's over 350 of them. What's the site for that one?

Massadomics.com slash certified. Then you can go look at the map. We've got, we were looking at the referencing the map here. You can go look at the map. You can see all the existing certified training facilities. If you're traveling, check the area you're headed to. See if there's any crew members or any certified training facilities that are close to where you go, and it also lists if they're open to any guests

contacting them about coming to train with them or not. Some places are, some places aren't. We've also got pictures and videos. If you are an existing certified training facility, and you haven't sent us pictures of your CTF yet, please get those sent into us. You can either DM them to us through anywhere or send us an email. Now, this week's episode is brought to you by Texas Powerbars. There's exciting big changes coming up at Texas Power Barbar. I can't get into it all yet. They got big things coming from our friends down at Texas at Caps Welding,

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The now, the Texas Power Bar there, it is listed as the 7th Gen. The 29mm is now listed as the 7th Gen. It's not interesting. Do you see that? Seventh Gen. Is that the right math? I need to go back. Gens do you have?

I don't know. I need to actually re-check. I need to re-watch or was the video. Because was the video five or was it six? I think I might have been able to get to six in my mind, but if they're saying seven, I want to, well, they're saying the 29 is the seventh then is what they're saying, right? Yeah.

It says why the Texas power bar. Parentheses, seventh gen 29 millimeter. I don't know. I need to, we need to talk. I need to visit with them about. that. I want to get on the same page. This is important. It is very important.

I'm not questioning them. I'm questioning myself. I want to make sure what I know. I want to make sure I'm on the same page. We need to review all seven generations with them in great detail and make sure that we're not spreading false information about the generations. A bit of an official record

keeper over here. I don't think there's many people that have more information available about Texas Power Bar history than us, except for like Texas Power Bar Do you think they all have all seven gens in their possession? They might not have all of them. I want to make sure I have all of them now, though I'm worried that they're saying they're seven. Because I'm, yeah, and Keith is looking at her video and he says he's coming up with six there also.

And that's what I'm thinking. Well, did we not have the, did we have the 29 millimeter in that video or not? Maybe I didn't have the 29 millimeter yet at that point in time. Maybe that's what it is. It's also whether or not they consider the Mac. to be a Texas Power Bar not all that being completely aside head over to Texas PowerBars.com you don't have to know the full history to buy a bar

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I say Rob Set buddy cap straight over here Can I kick everyone out Yeah finally I'm glad you said it Oh thanks everyone Thanks good meeting thanks everyone Oh yep good meeting

Oh oh did you guys have anything to add over there Oh oh nobody else has anything overall good meeting and thanks everyone kicking everyone out and we're going to get into our title topic before any good self-respecting title topic you know there's one thing we've got to do oh now that we're down with the sickness oh okay I'm ready to go now what's roughly the title of this topic uh the rough working title topic right now is the death of commercial

gyms. Yeah. Our commercial gyms. Commercial gyms RIP. Yep. We'll, uh, we're going to dive into this. What's the genesis of this topic? So what really got me first thinking on this is something you said, Tanner.

I think it's one of the most profound things you've said, at least in the last one or 200 episodes of this podcast. And that was, You had mentioned, yeah, no one really talks to us anymore about wanting to open a gym. Like that conversation does not come up. The conversation is when I start my home gym or I'm going to add this to my home gym or I'm going to do this to my home gym. It's never, oh yeah, when I open my commercial gym, when I open, I want to open a gym like you guys. Like that used to be a discussion and it never is anymore.

Never. Like it does, it does not happen. Well, when you say it used to be a discussion, I mean, when you go to the gym, I'd hear, are people all the time tell me about how they're going to open up a gym someday. Like there is so many people. I had that conversation with so many people like back when we were at the Y. But even at Macedonics gym, people would have that conversation with you all the time. Like the especially people that would be like a little more transient and they're going to move somewhere and like I'm in college and I'm going here for this and I'm going to open up a gym. Like that was

monthly. I remember all the time you tell me, oh, yeah, so-and-so said that, yeah, their plan is to open a gym when they're, you know, done with this and when they move back or so-and-so said he's going to open a gym someday. Like, just that was always a conversation. And then I think we'd mention this on the previous podcast. You'd go to the Arnold. I remember people always coming up and being like, oh, yeah, I'm going to open a gym, you know, explain it to you. Just like yours. Yeah, we're going to do this and this and, you know, asking you some questions. And that would always be a conversation. And when you said that at the time, that that doesn't come up anymore, it just, it hit me that, that does not happen anymore at all. And it really feels like that really rarely happens anymore. Like people, I mean, maybe occasionally, but it almost went away. It used to be all the time. It's just kind of crazy how, like, I just don't hear people say that anymore. No, and the funny part is, is now that we're actually, you know, in our mid to late 30s, you know, that'd be the time when people have a little more money to actually open a gym.

People could actually do it. Statistically, those are the people that should be opening it, not the people that are in their mid-20s. Yeah. Maybe, okay, is there something to it in that that we're, it's also people have wizened up by that time, too, that they're like, is it because, but I mean, I'm still around people of that age in the gym all the time.

You know, like the, that's the common. It's the same thing. Like, I know we've probably talked about how it feels like the Masonomics demographic has kind of, I don't know, aged with us a little bit over the year. but still like it just it still feels like that should happen a little bit though and it doesn't right right um so it brought it just got us thinking like is is it uh yes yes you mentioned that and i've been thinking about that a lot and another thing recently happened that just really drove

this point home for me and that was jeff nipper just had a video actually don't even subscribe to jeff i feel like i bring him up on the podcast a lot i don't even subscribe to him on youtube but i do get his videos pumped into my, my, uh, recommended page a lot. Me too. And he had one show up for his new, whatever science based gym, whatever it was. Factory thing. And you know me. If someone's big into YouTube fitness and they got a private gym that there are a gym

they're opening, I got to check this thing out. I got to see what this is about. We're the home, we're the gym tour guys. We got to know what, what's going on here. And so I watched this gym tour video. And I was like halfway through it. And it just dawned on me that. even people with a lot of money, a lot of clout, a lot of influence in the industry,

they're not even aspiring to open up gyms. Like, their goal is to open up the craziest private slash home slash, I mean, really private gym that they can. Like, that's their goal. You know, like they're not even trying to, for the most part, open up a big gym or a public gym either. And it used to feel like more so for a point, period of time, that was the goal, is for them to open like their cool commercial gym yeah like you'd build an audience build a following and like

you had leverage that into uh opening a gym like in a big city and then you would just have a built in audience that's going to show up and right part of your gym and that does happen but that feels like even that's becoming less common right yeah and it's still that definitely happens but like i agree with you less common but did you mention sam sullick too because oh yeah and so yeah just along those same lines. You know, Sam Sulek, kind of the same thing. He, you know, was it six months ago or whatever. He had his big private facility gym tour that he made. And then if you take it back a little ways, you know, Dr. Mike kind of did the same thing. You know, Jujimu to a certain extent has the same. It's all the guys that have gyms that are worth multiple hundreds of thousands

of dollars and are to the general public would be just, oh, no, you actually just built a commercial gym, you know, to anyone that doesn't know what's going on. It's like, oh, you just it's a commercial gym and you're not charging. And you just don't let anyone come. You don't let anyone come, which would seem insane to most people. But for a lot of people, that is the ultimate goal, the ultimate dream. Yeah. And then what we've experienced, we're right in the midst of it.

You did it yourself. It is the growth of the home gym. Because when we started Mastinomics, you know, this goes to your conversation a little bit on do you even lift bro podcast about us like, oh, you guys, you know, you're more recently into the home gym conference. conversation because we talked about it didn't talk used to talk about as much it's when we started talking a podcast in 2015 and 2016 there was barely a home gym community market no like then to me home gyms were what tyler had it was like a spot to kind of do crossfit in your home you remember

he had that right that's right and it was and he you know he had uh i don't know some beater barbells some bumper plates had a home gym at that point in time didn't he but even then it was like well but this is just not ideal. Like, it's just a place where you can kind of... It wasn't really intriguing. No, no, it was, it felt like, oh, why would you want to do this when there's a good gym down the street, you know? And it's just funny how at that time I was kind of dismissive of this home gym.

And it didn't even register to me as anything desirable at all. Right. And then how quickly that that's changed. I mean, that was probably the first person I ever knew that actually had a legit home gym in their house. Yeah, I actually forgot that that is what he had there. Until this conversation right now, I forgot that too. like it's yeah like we had a training session in there we did go listen to i don't know episode

three i was going to the first 10 yeah yeah we talk about getting doing we're doing hang cleans and i think so yeah that seems like a lifetime ago it does it really does i mean i can kind of remember it actually but yes it does seem like a lifetime ago remember like doing yoga in his living i remember that one too yeah that that does that not seem like a lifetime ago? I mean, that one does, yes. That one really does. Like, that seems like there's been so, I mean, there has been a lifetime of stuff that has taken place since then, so.

Yes. Yes. That is, is just wild, but not to get myself completely sidetracked too much, but the home gym evolution, like, we've obviously seen that just freaking explode, like, as we know in the last 10 years, for sure. Probably in the last five years, you could say. Yeah, I don't even think of, like, the first couple of Arnold's we went to, I don't even remember people coming up and talking to us about their home gyms at all.

That was not a thing. And now people talk to us about it all the time is their home gyms. In 2017 at the Arnold, 2016 at the Arnold, that wasn't a thing. Like, there was definitely people, obviously people had home gyms. You know, there's some people listening that'll be like, well, I had a home gym in 2012 or, You know, like they existed, but it just wasn't, there wasn't a community around it at all. I don't think. Yeah, that's probably the bigger point is.

There was no community around it whatsoever. And I think COVID, I mean, that really was a big inflection point, right? Yes, that really was like the birth of just so many people's, one, introduction to a gym or two, introduction to a home gym. Right. And our theory is like with that continuing to grow as the home gym community and home gym, people enjoying having a home gym, more home gyms popping up all the place all the time. Like, does that just eventually hamper the viability of, like, some commercial gyms as we know them?

Like, will that market shrink or? I forgot the other point of this that, you know, to prove this point, I was telling you, I've met, it's not uncommon for me to meet people that are in my neighborhood that either see me walk in my dog or through kids at our school, whatever. We recognize each other. We say, hey, what's up? and we start talking. And this happened multiple times where I start talking to someone and they might see me

because the development we live in, a lot of times you have to go by my house to enter and leave. And if I'm working out, there's a good chance if you're in your vehicle, you probably might see in the garage or you might see me doing lunges in the driveway or something. And I've had it happen multiple times where people say, oh, yeah, I've seen you work out at your house. I have a gym at my house too. We're like, oh, yeah, we just built our house. I built a gym in my house.

So like that conversation has happened multiple times. I just ran into this weekend someone that used to go to Massonomics gym back in the day. Yeah, I was like, no, not even Massonomics gym was pre-Massanomics gym. He went to the Y with us. Okay.

Big Logan and he's, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he did a power lift to meet with us, ran him this past weekend, hadn't seen him in probably 10 years. I'm asking him what gym he goes to. He goes, oh, I have a home gym. And it's like, certain to realize that everyone I talked to is like, no, if you have a house,

you probably just have a home gym. Like, if you have a house and a gym is a priority to you, it's starting to seem like the vast majority of people that I know have home gyms. Same thing in my neighborhood. When I walk through it, I mean, my street alone,

you know, if there's, I don't know, 15, 20 houses on my street, I would not be surprised if close to 10 of them have a rack or some type of exercise equipment in their garage.

I was telling you this too, I went for a walk with the dog, I went around the block. Someone had a giant pallet in their driveway. I'm like, what is this? And it was some like crazy, enormous treadmill and again you don't probably just buy just that's probably not the only piece

you're buying because this is a younger couple that i know lives in this house so i don't know i'm assuming they're probably building out a gym in their house too yeah on my street even uh sure is it is slightly overall an older neighborhood i think you know that's that that is a difference too yeah but i do know of three home gyms that are just even a stone's throw from me and two of them are really nice like they're like it's not just like oh i have a shitty elliptical and uh this folding bench that sucks balls like they have real home gyms you know like what i would say like they have legitimate home gyms and um so there's not tons of them around me but uh there is more than you might suspect even right is what i would say yeah um so we did take a

on our Instagram page and it was pretty interesting. And then we did get quite a few people to submit answers to this. And the options were essentially, where do you train is the question. Okay, okay. That was the question. Where do you train? The question is, where do you train? Commercial gym, home gym, or other is pretty much the choice.

So what was other? What were you getting at there? Well, what Keith asked this question. actually and maybe that's it's potentially confusing to me but my the problem was I think some people say well I don't have a home gym but the place I train at isn't a commercial

oh okay I suppose I can see how someone that goes to Masonomics reading that might say like well this isn't a commercial that's at least a couple people that go to Massonomics answered this question and they selected the other okay because that's the thing you know I think it's people are thinking like where you go you don't consider a home gym yeah like massanomics gym really isn't a commercial gym right i mean i suppose it is i don't know i'm okay with what's the correct answer there i mean it technically i think checks the boxes for commercial gym right just isn't actively

looking for members like every commercial gym is right which is kind of a defining characteristic of a commercial gym but more like a club yes honestly yes or just like a private gym like that would right And that's what I actually, the technical, I put private group slash other was the third option. Yeah, that makes sense. So that was my thought. I don't know. I felt like if I just left the two, there's too many people that would say, well, I don't go to a commercial gym, but I, you know, it's not in my home. But the numbers on this, we had 10% of the voters selected that private group slash other option.

17% selected commercial gym 73% selected home gym which is a wild I wouldn't have guessed it was that high Do you have actual number totals on the votes? Yeah there was 161 home gym 23 private and 37 commercial

Wow that's pretty crazy And of course like yeah our audience is going to be biased towards a home gym anyways because we do produce a lot of home gym content. But still that's what I was going to say. Like we do probably operate in like that. I think that's a good indicator of our audience.

So, you know, that's a sampling size of our audience. But in the greater population, that's probably not a good sample. No, but also our audience is, I mean, our audience, but when you say a bit of populations. Yeah, I was going to say, when you say greater population, are you just taking about just take 1,000 Americans?

Are you going to say take 1,000 people? No, 1,000 people that are Americans that go to that work out of some kind. Right. And then I think the commercial number is going to be way higher. Yeah. But even there, it's like also, though, it's the whole thing going down the rabbit hole. They're not going to be people that like I go to Snap Fitness and I really don't care about working out. I just have this thing.

I know, that's what I'm saying. Once you take it, if you start defining that question a little more of like, okay, a thousand Americans that work out, but also follow programming and like the power lift. And it's like, well, all of a sudden,

like you're going to be back at the home gym space again, I think, you know. The more specific qualifiers you put it, the more things you use as qualifiers to drill down to people that actually have some sort of idea of what they're doing, or even they're just doing something really intentionally. Just if they're even,

like I would even say it broad as, broad is they're just doing something really intentionally. Odds of them having a home gym goes up way a time. And like that's the most basic qualifier, just that you really have some sort of purpose behind what you're doing. Not even to get, I'm not even saying that you're like trying to get stronger. Just you have a goal and it might not even be a goal.

That's like too narrowed down. No, it just might be like you just like you work out three days a week and that's just what you do. Like, that is something you don't mess around with. I just kind of want to, you know, I'd like to maintain my body weight. Like, that could be a purpose that you're doing it for. Because a lot of people, I don't even think they make it that far. They just buy a membership at a gym.

Yeah. Yeah, that's for most people. But I do think we live for sure in like some form of an echo chamber that our number. Our numbers are way skewed towards the home gym. But it does show something. Like, it does show that. I think, though, if you did that, I think if you did that, I think if you did that in 2019, it might be the exact opposite of what it is right now, though.

Yeah. I think that that's true. I bet the closer you go back to 10 years from now, if that number is just going to continue, like, they're going to, I don't know if like 2019, 2020 at some point in time in there, they line up with each other and then the far that you go, they just get more opposite. Yeah. Even from our specific audience, I think. Yeah.

Like even the Massonomics audience, like, they, that's what happened. I did have some facts and stuff, some figures behind this, and just basically looking at growth from actual numbers, and most of it's like in terms of revenue and sales and stuff like that. But it's just found a couple articles and that sort of thing that talk about the global home gym market, how much it has grown, and how much they actually think that it's going to grow over.

the next almost 10 years. And they put it at a $12.5 billion industry in 2023 in U.S. dollar terms. And they think by 2032, it would be a $26 billion industry. Okay. So they more than double over the next decade. Yeah. Yeah.

Say that's globally. Same within the U.S. though. Like basically a double growth. Another source estimated the global at home. fitness equipment market to be $9 billion rising to $18 billion in 2020. Everything shows big growth in the home gym sector. And it talks about the pandemic as a key accelerator that home gym equipment sales jumped 170% in 2020, hot demand, causing weight equipment shortage.

I mean, we've all lived through that. We don't have to with everything that was going on. They do talk about smart systems like mirror and tonal. saw a growth of 220% also that was kind of new technology so how could it not grow right yeah why peloton drew in 2.1 million new subscribers it resulted in four billion in revenue for the year it's like oh yeah i guess they're pretty profitable or i don't maybe they weren't even profitable but they were making money then yeah i don't know about this survey a 2025 survey revealed 61% of people have a dedicated workout space at home while 31% hold commercial gym memberships still

yeah i mean the survey is from 61 views though so it's like right just surveying your members exactly it's in the same echo chamber as us at that point but it's still something um but then you know talking about the

like they're they provided quite a bit of evidence conversely or devil devil's advocate side that for sure this home gym market has grown huge and it certainly looks like it's continued to grow huge but the evidence on the other side is that commercial gyms

are actually still continuing to rebound slightly that it's still growing. It's a growing market. It's just growing a lot slower than the home gym market is. Well, and I do wonder just when you look at a bigger picture, like, because housing affordability is becoming such an issue. Right. Where I do start to wonder, yeah, like do, you know, where it's getting to be like damn near impossible in a lot of places for people that only age of like 35 to own a house. And like, you know,

For them, all right, obviously a home gym isn't going to be an option. You're not going to start a home gym in your apartment or something, you know? Ah, yes, the first qualifier for a home gym. A home. Or garage at least. So I'm curious, like long term, that does have to present some issues. But, I mean, there's always going to be cheaper. You know, have you heard about this place called the Midwest where things are a little cheaper?

Probably not as cheap as you think they should be, but a little cheaper. Yeah, I think sometimes people think it's even cheaper than what, well, if you live in Southern California, it's a lot cheaper. Right, yeah. A lot of other parts of the country, though, it's not as drastically different as you might think. Like in the housing thing? No. Like, I don't know, we go to a lot of parts of the country that I'm convinced have more affordable housing than we have here. Like the two jobs that we live in.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, there's definitely supply and demand issues where we're at, though, is what the problems tend to be here. Right. Right, right. But yeah, if you live in Southern California, it's a lot cheaper to live here. I'll concede to that.

We'll give you that one. Yeah. But yeah, I agree with you. Like, that's, some people just, some people have no interest in the home gym whatsoever. And they talked about preferences for commercial gyms being community, which I get that. although the other side of it is you can kind of find that in the home gym like the community on

the home gym side of it is massonomics economics it's just join the massomics discord and you're good the awful Facebook home gym group uh just just a small community with 400,000 people in it everyone you go to home gym con you come to the massonomic stuff you know like there is a community there they that's one of the biggest progressions actually it may be partly what I believe part of the growth of the home gym thing is that you do get to have a community now. Like it's the, that it figured out a way. Yeah.

It's life finds a way. And so does the home gym community to still have a community even when you lift by yourself at all. And there's even communities that we don't even like hardly know, like many. They have like streamer lifting communities, you know. And like that's one area that we don't even know anything about. But, uh, yeah,

between that. And then like you were saying communities based more, maybe around the idea of equipment and things, but there's absolutely community. based around whatever style of training you want to do, too, whether that's powerlifting. And even if you want to do powerlifting, what type of program when you're running, there's communities based around that too. You can keep drilling it down.

Oh, there is. And it's not, things really aren't even that hard to find. Like, you know, we like to run juggernaut AI. There's a juggernaut AI community with tons of people posting stuff and questions and talking about it all the time. It's just what are you into? Well, and then another consumer preference towards going to the commercial gym, they could historically save the equipment.

but as time goes on that's changing that's to be less of a thing there's just so many options for your home gym that there again if you want to be a competitive bodybuilder you probably either need

a pretty elaborate home gym or you just need to go to a commercial gym yeah if you want to be a highly if you're a high level strong man I guess you either need to invest a lot of money in home gym equipment which a lot of people do or you just go to a

very specific gym though and that's kind of what they're saying on like the adaptation of commercial gyms though like this gets into borderline of what we consider a commercial gym but that's they marked out you know how commercial gyms do continue to find success and it was like by being more focused yeah it's like one of them they said like luxury services but to me that's just like fitting a niche there even or strength focus well that's just fitting the niche right like you can't just open a gym uh you can't just have a 4,000 square foot gym and put like 50 machines in it and be like here's our gym we're good to go right like you can do that but that's what everyone did for like 30 years and I feel like now what you need to do is no like this gym caters a little more to power lifting and strong man or this gym caters more to bodybuilding or this one caters more to I don't know like classes and things like that you know right like take sue falls for example example, Jonah Leo's gym is very much like a power lifters gym. There's other things there, but like that's kind of like

And even they're like a USAPL power lifters gym specifically. Right. What's the one that we haven't been to that opened up recently? Yeah. And that's like a influencer or not an influencer. It's like it's a young.

It's like if you're like 20 and you want to go to a gym that's cool. you know right like i mean that's and that's not saying it's a bad gym like that's just no but that's like yeah that's the specific path that they which makes sense to do that like i'm saying you have to almost what is your angle or uh you know we have a lot of people that listen to us that still have commercial memberships because like i said they compete in strong man and so they go to this gym that has all the really good strong man equipment that they could ever want and they're like that they're basically never going to buy all of that equipment for themselves.

So that's, I think, part of how some commercial gyms continue to make it is just, like, having their specific focus. They say flexible memberships, too. I don't really know about that, though. Like, I'm not really sure how that applies. Most gyms are not very flexible with memberships. Yeah. Oh, I don't think so at all.

No. Were we talking about the drop-in rate, or was someone talking about that? No, we were mentioning that about with like crew falls because we're saying how like a just a drop in at most gyms is like 20 some dollars now. Yeah, it's like for sure like 20 bucks. I mean, I don't think it's much cheaper than that anywhere. I don't know if I have any other more points on that. But I guess to talk about the title of the episode, I don't think commercial gyms are going to die. I think there may be a consolidation of the stupid commercial.

commercial gyms that I think suck that aren't that good for anyone. You know, maybe in time those consolidate a little bit. Right. Maybe they just all, maybe there's always enough people that are willing to spend $20 on a membership that they're never going to use. Maybe there's always enough people that fit that mold. I don't know. Yeah, but that's also the thing that's like that is their angle to those.

They're just playing the cheapest of town game, you know? And that's why it's working for them is. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. It's, I guess what I've feel like I've learned looking at this through the years and more recently is it's starting to feel like overall the trend is once you get a little more serious with this, if you have a home, you probably get a home gym. Right. I'll say you have to, but that tends to be the common element there is if you take you training somewhat seriously and you got the space for it, you'll probably have a home gym of some kind. True.

I guess, though, too, thinking about it for, like, there are probably pockets where maybe that doesn't happen. Like, you take Aberdeen, for example, well, none of the people that have ever joined that still live in Aberdeen really have a home gym. Larry, Larry Legend. He does. He does have it and he literally never uses it.

Thick Nick did. Yeah, he did too. The guys that did have orphan, too, though. And that the way that you can live almost any way. in town and be to the gym in five minutes. Right. That's, it's just a such a different,

everyone that I talk to. It's more of a rural, yeah, it's just more of the small town thing. Like everyone that I talk to that has a gym, has a family, you know, has kids,

has a spouse, has a job they're really busy with. And I get the impression that, yeah, like they like the gym, but it's also a big part of. They can't, when you got to travel 40 minutes to get one direction to get there.

Yeah, like there's just not enough time in a day. Like it's to the point of like, no, is something I really enjoy doing and if I'm going to keep doing it I have to have a home gym to make this work.

Yeah. No one says that but I kind of get the impression that that is a factor in it. Right. I think so too. But then so like I'm convinced absolutely that home gyms

are going to continue to become more and more popular like that's just I don't see that dwindling. It's fun. So doesn't that mean that commercial gyms have to well this is the interesting part though. This is the interesting part though. Like when we're growing up,

up no one our parents aged took fitness seriously like that was not a thing you know it's probably like two gyms in the town of aberdeen total at that point in time you know probably i mean it was the ymca and maybe like one private one you know and right and that was it and most i think most people that went to the ymca was probably to play basketball or something like you know there was a ton of people going to lift weights like that wasn't a thing no one was doing programming no when we were kids none of our parents very very very few people yeah essentially nobody like that was just that was not a thing. And so I do feel like part of it is just the pool has gotten so much bigger. You know, like you're not dealing with the same number of people. You know,

the pool might be a thousand times bigger than it was then. Because yes, taking care of yourself and health is an important. Also, people didn't really, I don't know, I'm generalizing a lot, but how much did people really care about nutrition and what they ate 30 years ago, you know? People didn't take care of themselves. You mean back when we used to be a proper country and people didn't take care of themselves at all. But like for real, though, people didn't. They were putting all these chemicals in our food so we didn't have to worry about it. Yeah, they didn't put the chemicals in the food.

So we had to put the chemicals in our body ourselves. But like that's like the whole health movement has changed a lot since, I mean, even the 80s and 90s. You know, it's people are aware of what foods are made out of and what they think may or may not be healthy for them and what conditions they may think. may think they do or don't have. Like, I don't know if that was really a thing when we were little, little. No, that for sure has to be a factor, especially like over the last 20 years, the growth of just anyone interested in going to a gym at all. But, like, is that going to continue to climb? Like, is that just, you know, is that going to, I don't know that it's even relevant, but is that, do you, do you think that's going to continue?

Like, have we hit where it's like, yeah. If we hit peak fitness? I mean, there's always going to be new people getting in, but do you say there's always new people getting out. or like is it just become bigger and bigger where it's like no everyone goes to the gym that is a good question though because does or does it turn into a thing of someday where people like actually you know what we all just take ozampic like we don't even right yeah that's just uh drugs uh do you don't need to bother with the like physical activity part the grind of it like oh that's the fun you know that to us that's the fun part but to a lot of people that doctor

about glp1 that and then maybe i get in some testosterone is hang on to some muscle if I can. Right. Yeah. That's a thought, too. Yeah, it'll be interesting. I don't know. I have a hard time believing, though,

that home gyms won't continue to get popular. Oh, I think that's definitely for the next 10 to 20 years. Right. I think that that's for sure. But then it just makes me think that the commercial gym has to suffer a little bit from that. Like, I think it has already to the next step. Probably. But, I mean, I think, I think 2020 screwed up commercial gyms as much as anything.

yeah especially depending on where you lived like you know that wasn't a thing here but definitely depending on how much was going on wherever you were up depending how much was going on in your part of the country that could have been a big problem right I think like the rebound period of that is over though too like wherever we're at now like I don't think that's related it's no longer related to that like people have settled in um it feels like people should have made up their mind by now if they're going to like They decided if it's safe for them to go back to a commercial gym Or if they need to be at a home gym out of necessity

Right It's the safe is going to get It's outside of the ringworm and stuff You get out of places like that Yeah, you stay safe down there Did people in wrestling ever get ringworm? You know, it's funny in high school That was always a big concern

You always had to sanitize the mats And all that stuff Impatigo was one that I know. I don't know if anyone ever got ringworm, but I do know impotigo was a few people got that when I was in high school. Okay. Luckily not me.

Knock on wood. I was moving horse tall mats today. Maybe I did get it. Well, maybe we should jump into that, not just the growth of home gyms, but the growth of your home gym. That might be the more interesting topic here at hand. Probably.

I mean, is there anything else on that? this uh i don't think there is i think i'd be curious just to know other people's thoughts on you know we were just kind of thinking out loud for i don't know 20 minutes there but i'd just be curious what other people have noticed uh in their trends in their circles and their areas of the country if uh what we're saying seems true or if it's maybe maybe everywhere else in the country got there 10 years ago we're just playing ketchup you know that's true it takes a while to get to south dakot so leave us a comment on the youtube video let us know what you think the future of commercial gyms is or the future of home gyms.

Not like the equipment that's going to be, but like, do you picture a big growth in home gym market? Like, is there going to be more of them? Or in five years, we're going to have double the amount of home gyms. Is everyone on your street going to have one?

Are half of the commercial gyms in your town going to close? Like, what are you, what do you predict? So when we talk to Jugi, did he say this? Where he's just like, I think in the future,

everyone making a house will have like a gym room. Yeah, he was talking about. that yeah he's like i just i because health is getting so important to people he goes i just think like everyone building a house it's going to start to be the thing we're like no this is the gym area of the house well essentially like on the floor plan where it's like dining room kitchen bedroom bathroom bathroom gym like that's what he was describing it right like pretty much like like wellness area and your study or library it'd be a gym yeah you know okay maybe you need a rack and weights in there maybe you just need some yoga mats and like areas to stretch and do whatever you

like to do with that, but people might, like, there might be a point in the time where a lot of people are building spots like that into their houses. I like to think it'll just be Florida ceiling wall to wall beyond power of ultras. Like everywhere you reach, you can get a Voltra arm sticking out to you. So like, every movement you do appears in your hand. Every movement you do is, and it's all, the resistance is all just telekinetic. So you just like, don't even But it's never straight weight. It's always some type of banded reverse chains, always. Never straight weight.

There's just everywhere you move. The Voltra, it'd be funny, the second Voltra comes out, and it's like Voltra 2, now with no straight weight. Like, they just take that out. You actually don't have that option anymore. You're not only going to allow you to do straight weight anymore. They came over the new firmware update that removes straight weight from the device. Yes, I like that. Okay. What about your gym though? Tommy's home job. I spent, I actually took the day off from work today. And when I said took the day off from work, I took the day off from sitting at the computer to do significantly more work. And an insane amount of manual labor. And it's because you're, when I'm under the deadline, you're coming here in like two days. So I had a lot of shit I had to get done. But there will be videos on all of this that go more in depth. But I'll give people a heads up because I don't know, it might be a month or whatever before those videos come out.

So the first thing was, I'm pretty sure I'd mention this in the podcast, sometime this summer, Ashton over at Freedom Fitness just said, hey, I got a package coming your way. And he didn't tell me what it was. I had no clue what it was. I didn't know if he was sending me a piece of equipment, what it was. Frank Company shows up or a semi shows up in front of my house. The loading door drops open and a pallet wheels off with three big rolls of rolled flooring on it. and it was black with a red fleck and it looked really cool never seen rolled flooring like that before and it was sweet but then I'm thinking okay I got to tear apart my entire gym someday to make

this happen and that was in I think it was like June leading up to the meet I was not going to be messing around with all that um so got done with the meat life's been pretty busy but yeah like I said under the gun now so had to get it done so today was my day I went out there uh the first thing just shows how wrong my priorities were. I was all worried about moving my lap pull-down machine with like, was it to have a 280-pound stack or whatever it is? That was the least of my worries for the day.

Was it pretty easy to move? You know, I bought those movers that Brandon had suggested or had in his video. They don't, those didn't move good. The way my lap pull-down machine set up, those didn't move good on the rubber stall mats. But once I got it on those on the epoxy garage floor, oh, it moved super easy.

but on the stall mats my cable pull-down machine it's so like heavy in the back that any time you pull it's like it wants to tip up so it's always like tipping up to be on two feet and then it just doesn't work when you know it's not staying all flush on the ground so yeah but like that part was easy

my rack I've moved my rack before because I've tried to do or I've you know when I've added horse stall mats in the past I just take one of the weight pegs and move it up and you can kind of just push it around. I had the flat feet too so it kind of would slide around like it wasn't it wasn't that hard to move so

got everything cleared out took the horse stall mats out I was curious what they would look like underneath and it's just where every where every you know little nub sat there would just be a little brown spot of water and I don't know if that's mold or if that's just dirty water from moisture and condensation

through the temperature changes here but sprayed it down got it dried up cleaned up and that part was easy like moving all that stuff getting the floor cleaned I'm probably in, I don't know, 30, 40 minutes at this point. I'm like, this is going too good. This is going great. And then, man, some people think a horse stall mat is hard to move.

And like, I get it. They're annoying. But the horse tall mat's not that bad. A four by 10 rubber mat is the worst thing you could ever try to move. Oh, they're so. It's a giant horse stall mat. Yeah, just a horse stall mat that instead of being six feet is 10. feet and it is so hard to move those things it's just oh my god i can't i cannot like overstate how

challenging it was to work with those damn things and i'm sure someone that does flooring probably knows all the tricks and everything and i actually did figure some out as i went on but i thought oh yeah i'll just roll this into the corner set it down and just kind of push it with my feet will be good to go like no there's no like micro adjustments you know it's it's like start over You're not just tapping it with your foot a little bit. No, no, it doesn't do that. And like a horse stall mat, when you try to pick it up, when you grab one in, you have like three quarters of the horse stall mat off the ground, basically.

Like this, you pick it up. There's still like 80% of the thing on the ground. So you're just dragging so much. And it's been rolled. Horse stall mats are never rolled. They're always flat. So they want to lay flat. This thing's been rolled.

I don't know if it was, I mean, it was probably in a roll at his warehouse. But it's been rolled on a pallet in my garage for like the last four. months and it wanted to be rolled that direction and then once you try to do it another direction it didn't want to go that direction and it was just any way that the thing could fight you it would fight you and i don't know it took me to lay these three rolls down it took me like four hours it took way too long way too long eventually i figured out no what you need to do is you need to flip it over so that the you know where it's trying to roll down back into the floor you know so that it wants to be down and then curling up yeah and then the way to move to move it's going to move

it is you actually just need to fold it in half on top of itself and pull on the fold. And that's the way to move the thing. And then flip it all the way back and see if it's where it needs to be. And if it's not, flip it all the way over. And then, and like that actually saved me so much time and that was so much easier. But like, I'm watching videos of people installing rolled flooring and housing and or in gyms. And it's like, oh, yeah, when it's three eighth of an inch thick, you can just flip up the edge and it stays. Like, you can't flip up any edge on a three quarter inch thick one. It doesn't, it doesn't go. It fights. you every bit of the way.

So it was an absolute battle. It was really, really hard. Now that I'm done with it, though, it looks sweet. It looks really good. It's a cool look. It definitely has that upgraded feel from just black horse saw mats with guerrilla tape, you know, keeping them all together. Now when I look at the horse stall mats, I think like,

oh, those things were in here? Like, that just seems so primitive. But I did that. And that wasn't enough, though. We're going to have a full video on this next. idea coming out, but decided it was time to upgrade the rack from just the bells of steel four-post flat-foot rack designed to a bells of steel six-post rack, finally joined in the big boy club, but wanted to try and keep it as compact as possible. And so my current rack

is a 30-inch depth, which I think is probably this small. So you'd want to go if you're going to be squatting inside the rack. I know they make like a 24-inch option, but I don't think most people are squatting inside a 24-inch rack. That's just, that'd be a pretty small. It's just not very deep. I mean, you could, but it's just not a ton of room. So I have 30-inch on the inside. I got the, you know, the rear two uprights and then a 17-inch cross-member to connect

those. And I was worried, like, this was right before we got on the podcast, this was what I was kind of getting cleaned up. But I was worried would the 17-inch cross-member be enough because I think, like, the rogue racks you have, Tanner, are they 40 inches deep? or 50 even, like they're big. Yeah, I don't remember. And then, and then like the cross, I think.

42 or something like that. Yeah, and then you're. They're really big though. Yeah. And then the storage portion, like that might even be 30 inches deep there. It's still pretty big. Yeah. So the concern is when you put the plates on, like, is that what you're saying?

Right. I was worried like on 17, like, oh, depending on where I have the plates, is this an issue? No. Like if now seeing it, like, if they made an eight inch cross member, that would probably work just fine too. Like, so it is cool to know that 17 is more than generous. Like, there's no way you're going to hit that ever. I actually don't think you could,

I don't think you physically can hit it. Like, I don't think the measurements work out. So, yeah, I got to get everything cleaned up all the way, but I do have a six post rack in place now. And between that and the red flooring or the black and red flooring, it's, uh, the gym feels like I got a big upgrade. And with, uh, black widow cart that you just got recently and the black widow card in there it's kind of been

big upgrades lately has it there has been yeah a lot of big things so uh yeah like like i said there'll be a full video coming out covering the rack that's one of the ones we're going to shoot when you're here and i'll uh go more into the uh logistics and the reasonings and all that but well so you haven't used the rack yet and we don't have to get into it all all together but do you think are you going to like that better than you think i mean functionally not much is really going to change it all. It's like, well, I've still squat inside the rack. It's just the bigger one is I actually have storage off the back now.

It's the plate storage. Yeah, the plate storage, the barbell store. I got one of those rogue bar hangers that you... Like the four. Yeah. Yeah, those are good. For the monster light, I think they only have a three bar because yours is four. Same idea. Yeah. But same thing. I'm like, oh, that works great.

Like, and I have, I have like my curl bar laying on the floor. I'm going to give it, you know, really elevate that curl bar experience. I'll have that in there. Could you have two of those if you ever need it? Yeah, and I could put one on the other side too. So just having that for weight storage, now I have like a leg curl or a, a roller, a leg roller.

And it's like just having areas off the back to store some of that stuff. As I have acquired more things, it's just nice. Like, is it a necessity by any means? No. But, you know, you just see people have six post racks and I wanted it in on the club and I got it. And I'm excited to push it out too far from the wall then. It basically doesn't push out any farther at all because my feet, I'm assuming Bells of Steel probably just makes one set of feet,

you know, that accommodates whether your rack is 30 inches deep or 45 or whatever it is. Because my feet, you know, they actually took up about the same amount of room as what I have right now. So it really is no different. If anything, and I could look until the exact same measurement, but I knew this going into it because I measured it like 20 times thinking, am I missing something here.

But my actual footprint has increased, like a couple inches as all. And I could push it back. It would just make getting the, because I have this one little notch out of my garage. It would just make getting the 45s out, slightly more challenging. But where it's at right now,

like everything's easy to access, I still have basically the same amount of room. So it changed almost nothing for me, and I got a lot more functionality out of it. Okay. Sweet. But we will have the gym tour and then the specific videos coming very soon

to cover all of that. Yeah, stay tuned. all right is there any other topics we want to hit on this week that's probably it I would just mention one thing oh okay I got I got a couple things

oh I have a sack segment okay you want to do a sack segment okay yeah okay before I get to that I did get just today a couple new blobs came in oh yeah I was okay I was curious what's the story with those what's are they those are so right now the blobs i have are half 60 half 70 half 80 half 100 so i have had five blobs but they're all half 10 pound increments this i got a half 85 and

half 95 okay so it's more of an incremental thing on those bigger ones where it gets tougher like i can do the night like i did the 90 today but i'm a long ways from doing the hundred okay so So I'm like, now I have the 95, like, can I eventually get the 95? These two both have like an old red paint on them, which I think would make it so most people don't want them. But I'm like, eh, I kind of like it. It kind of works. That's what I was curious on because I saw that and I didn't know if there was something else going on or if it was just old red paint. They're just blobs and, you know, 95 is kind of hard or one to find.

So I was happy to get one. And how did you track these down? Through a vintage weights, old Chicago Iron guy that I got a bunch of stuff from before. so he had them and did you tell you're on the lookout for these or did they just pop up um i can't remember because i do talk to him quite a bit and i can't remember if he or i think i i might have been like uh what do you got lately and like these popped up and i hoed and hummed about it for a while because blobs aren't super cheap and i'm like eventually i was like i'm just going to hold off on that from now i got for some other stuff and then eventually one day i'm like well would you take this much

And he's like, ah, sure. And I'm like, okay, I'll just, I just got to get them then. Does the paint change the feel of it versus the other ones? I don't know yet. Oh, that's a great question. I'm very curious to find out. Oh, so you haven't actually used them yet. I literally opened them out of the box this afternoon.

Oh, okay. And they felt heavy as hell just opening them out of my cardboard box. Because you're not in the gym. Everything feels really heavy. Exactly. I'm like, oh my God, I pick this up with one hand. I can barely pick this up with two hands. I'll never forget.

forget when I picked up that barbell for you in Sioux Falls, you know what? I still lived in Aberdeen. I was down here for something. It was that black. It was that black Ohio power bar bar bar. I picked it up from someone. That was used. Yeah. I picked it up from someone here. And I mean, it was like brand new. But yeah, I picked up from someone at their home gym here. And I remember bringing that into my, I drove my wife's car to Sioux Falls just so I could get this barbell. And I remember putting it into her car and being like, this is the heaviest barbell I've ever felt in my life. It was probably the first time I ever touched a barbell not inside a gym. You know, and it felt so heavy.

That is a real phenomenon. Then let's not get into the story, but do you know who Cole Swindell is? Have you heard that name before? I don't think so. Just Google Cole Swindell quickly. This will be more interesting. I actually, I specifically think I won't get into the details on this on the episode. I will just tell you one interesting thing.

American singer-songwriter. Okay, is you like a country act? He's a country guy. He's got, I think I looked on Instagram the other day, he's maybe got like one or two million followers on Instagram. He's a pretty big up-and-comer, I guess. I don't know his music. Oh, you don't either.

No, no. I mean, I know the name. Okay, okay. That's what I say, though. You at least know the name, though. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, he's big, pretty big time. You know, he's on the radio and all that stuff.

Okay. I don't listen to it in particular. but I don't have anything against it. But, you know, my Thomas Inch Dumbel is in Tennessee. Yeah. That is going to come to South Dakota later this month. It's going to get brought. Cole Swindell will be bringing it to Brookings at the end of the month.

And that's all I'm going to say for so far for this episode. That's all I want to say. It's all I'm at liberty to discuss. Cole Swindell is bringing the 173-pound Thomas inch dumbbell. One other point of correction. Someone pointed me out on this. I keep saying haulie dumbbell, H-O-L-L-E.

I now, the way I understand it, it is a Hall dumbbell. Oh. But it is H-O-L-L-E. It is H-O-L-E Hall. Hmm. Must be a French thing. Must be French also.

So Cole Swindell will be hand-delivering to Brookings, the Thomas H-O-L-E-D-B. But I don't want to say anything else. Okay, all right, well, it's good to know that it's in good hands. And then, you know, we recently both got the Pelotons. We've talked about that. But I don't think I've really shared this little interesting piece of equipment. We'll see if I can somehow show this off.

Maybe going to be easier said than done. This is a true sack segment. What's in what's in Tanner's sack. Let's see if I can manipulate this with all my podcasting equipment at the same time. sack all I see is an iron neck yes if you haven't guessed it for our audio only listeners I am now wearing the iron neck what is the iron neck you didn't ask

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without the long-term impact of head and neck injuries? What if physical hobbies could be enjoyed pain-free as we go? What if sitting at a desk all day didn't need to be a death sentence for your spine? We set out to improve the way that people live By paying attention to every muscle that supports the spine First manufactured in a Southern California machine shop In 2012

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that stuff iron neck here is the iron neck i've only played with it a little bit so far are you familiar with what you actually do with iron neck at all i not really actually because i was going to be my next question is how do you actually load this thing this is how you load so for people that don't know though the iron neck it Tanner has it's basically a disc that's wrapped around your head like your head's in the middle of the donut it's this donut that goes around your head it has there a strap on the top of it then yeah there's a strap on the top of it then yeah there's a strap across the top of my head. There is interchangeable front pad for different head sizes.

And then there's a strap like a helmet. A buckle under your chin. And there's also, it's like Reebok pumps. Oh. Like there's different pads to get you the general size. Okay. So you can get it on. Dial it in.

Then you pump it. And I actually can, as I'm pumping this, it's really tightening up. Okay. It gets pretty tight on. there okay so you can get a good fit then and then you have this that goes a full 360 degrees on the track it's a what i would say like a mounting pin a mounting point and then it comes with one resistance band that hooks up to that pin and then you mount this either to like a rack or it has different mounts to mount to a doorway oh and that's where you get your resistance is a resistance

band pulling and you're okay so you're just getting your reps all right I see I didn't know if you actually put weight on it or how that worked for sure no it's a resistance band I'm probably talking away too far away from the mic but it's resistance band loaded

I just always remember when we're at Chad's house he goes a coach iron neck that is that I think when I see iron neck No. Yeah, I remember that that is so true. I never thought about that,

but that's exactly what I think of every time. Chad's story about it. So this may look a little different, though, right? It looks very different. All right, I'm going to take it off. And then there's a release for the pump. Oh. I've got some plans for the iron neck.

Hopefully do a couple videos. with it. Yeah. You're saying between like the iron neck and the power pole, you could really, and the tsunami bar, you could really take straight, between the power pole,

the iron neck and the tsunami bar, you can really take strength training to levels never seen before. That's what I'm excited about is really like amping all of this up a little bit to take it to some on-scene, unseen areas before. I like that.

That's good. Okay, we talked about Cole Swindell having my dumbbell. So, did I have you heard about this barefoot dot store the oh so two have you seen the oh so two in black and white this is brand new no osso oso cg two oh in black and white okay have you seen this I have now I like this yes this is a whole another animal a whole different shoe from barefoot check this out if you've Had barefoot before, have you checked out their site before.

Check out this new shoe. It is new to the site. It's the Oso. CG2 and black and white. Certainly a different look. Yeah. Shoe that Barefoot has not offered before. Yeah, really closing in on just that.

I mean, it's now just fitting in as just being an everyday loafer at this point. Or an everyday casual slip-on shoe. That's what I would say. And that is brand new. I do think it's available. now to purchase. I think that's the only color way that it's in. Pretty intriguing shoe that they've got there, I would say,

in the Oso 2. You want some of their more traditional. Check out their boots, actually. This isn't also traditional, but I just, I'm a brewing boot fan. Tommy, wear your brewing boots much lately at all there? Not lately. Not much boot wearing.

No, I'm more of a boot guy in the winter. Yeah, so you're wearing, so you're ursus. A little bit, okay. Check out all of them. from Barefoot. Store, pay particularly close attention to that new oh-so shoe that they've got there. Thanks, barefoot. Use discount code. Masonomics for 10% off. That is correct. And this episode is also brought to you by Juggernaut AI.

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Juggernaut. Anything else for episode 400? I'll just say it really quick, just along those lines is my juggernaut did just switch to a hypertree block. And my, for some reason to make this week, are you on a yeah this is the first week of it and for some reason it might be this way for everyone but my bridge block for the most part the weights are really light like really really light and i don't know if it's because i mean i put all my days in as just easy and i don't i don't know if it's because of the timer thing or what but um that that got done and all the sudden i think the heaviest squats i had in my entire bridge block were like maybe 285 pounds maybe and then my first set on this it was like 355 yeah 3 55% of 8 and it felt great. It felt really, really good, but oh, my legs were not used to move and wait and I'm feeling that today.

So you did that on your old gym setup, though? I did it on the old gym. Probably should be benched tomorrow. That'll be the real test. What does that feel like? Yeah, because I'm guessing it'll feel a little bit better with the new setup. I think you might be on to something there. Might have to be adjusting

my numbers. You're missing. Yep. Yep. That was what I was missing to get strong. I think you're right. That's really going to throw off your numbers, though. I know. You're going to be like, oh, RPE2. Yep. If I'd let me put that in.

You can't go below five, can you? No. No, you cannot. Doug it. So is there a delode between the bridge block and the hypertrophy block? No, there's not. Just takes you right in. You're on it right now, though, aren't you?

Yeah, I'm on maybe my second hypertrophy block. Oh, you're, oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, because you went to have started fresh. right after the meet, right? Right. I actually did.

I just didn't do any bridge block. Yeah, there you go. Okay. So I'm on my, I think. Yeah, that would make sense. You'd be about six weeks in because I did a six week bridge and I just started this now. Yep. That's where I'm on six or seven weeks.

Actually, I'm on, after, next week's a delode and then I go, and then I have four strength blocks in a row. So I'm actually on my last week of a hypertrophy block. So I've gotten to do some RPE10s. Well, I haven't done. There was discussion on this in the Discord about the RP10s and Juggernaut. And I actually, everyone's, I'm not even saying this is my recommendation for everyone. But I know, like, say your brother Ryan is similar in this way, the way he handles those. Because there is a decent number of RP10s just in like, I mean, it's every four weeks.

You get them. Right. And I actually don't do an RPE 10. And sometimes I do, but the way I actually read that in my head when it's an RPE10, I consider that an RPE 9 plus in the sense that my goal is a 9 plus. And sometimes I might actually hit an 8 and a half. Sometimes I might hit a 9. Sometimes I might hit a 9 and a half.

Sometimes it might be a 10. But I read that as it is a 9 plus. I do not read that as I have to hit a 10. That's not my goal. It's really hard to hit 10 exactly. Right. And I don't want to hit 10s actually that. frequently. I'm going to have a hard time if I'm going to have a bad time if I'm doing

RPE 10 like a true RPE 10 if I'm doing that every fourth week on three of all three of my big lifts. Yeah. I'm going to have problems. Well, you start to learn the ones you can send it on like I've over time you're like, oh yeah, you can like send it on bench a little more and it's it's whatever. But yeah, I have an RPE 10 week where or within seven days I should say where you could be doing our P-10 squat, bench, and deadlift. It can be tricky. I mean, yeah, if you can do it, that is great. And, like, you should try, but it's understanding.

I think your training age and training experience and where you're at and your journey makes a big difference, too. Well, exactly. Like, I think you can get away with a lot more when you're in your 20s and like a single guy and doing whatever than you can when you're in your late 30s and you have a family and sleep can be wherever and you might be podcasting until midnight. And, like, there's just so many other variables that. In your early 20s and you've been lifting for a year,

you might just need to actually do a few more. Oh, you do? Well, also, your P-10 is not going to be that hard. Right. And, like, it's just, you need to experience that training stimulus a little more often, I think, because you probably haven't really done it that many times. Yeah. And your risk for injury, because every time you, the farther towards that line,

you push it, not that the injury risk is great, but the injury risk gets higher. It does increase. You know, it's not. wildly high or anything like that, but it does increase in the younger you are, the more, you know, you can ride that line harder, do I think.

I also, along those lines, I have a harder time just doing a true RPE 10 in a home gym when I'm lifting alone because it's just, it's just harder that scenario when there's no spotters around, you know?

Right. Yeah, like, are you going to do a 10 squat? It's like, not that you can't. Yeah. And I'm going to try to get close,

but like, I would definitely pick it. I mean, it might be a 10 pound difference or maybe a, rep difference. But if I was in Massonomics gym versus my home gym on squat, it's going to be approached slightly different. And I don't think there's, for a lot of lifters, there's not a huge loss by treating those as a nine. No, oh God, yeah. That's what like, because also, especially if

you're properly inputting that when you say, no, that's, here's how many reps I did and it really was a nine. I mean, it's, it understands the differences there. You know, like it's, it's knowing that like, okay, this is the weight you did, but it was a nine. Well, there was a little bit more. Like your Mac, you know, it has a relative estimate of what your max is based off of that. That's my RP10 discussion on that because it came up. Should we? All right.

Now let's end it. Tommy, where do they find you out? You can follow me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Bear. Just make sure to follow Massonomics at Massonomics. See you. Thank you.