Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 495: The MOST Overrated Home Gym Complaints

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

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Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. Welcome back, everyone. My goodness, did we just finish up a greasy pre-show this week on the Massonomics pre-show? It's unfiltered, unrecorded. It's the show before the show. The only way you listen to that is becoming a supporting member. And oh, my gosh, was that an epic pre-show this week?

It was crazy. It's not recorded. You just had to be there, man. I'll say this. It was the conclusion to a four-part saga. A four-part pre-show saga. Yes. um an epic one uh Tommy let accidentally let everyone in with their microphones on this week

so that was made for even even wild video was allowed luckily most people didn't have their video on so yeah uh this is the real massonomics podcast though now and we are live from the dean since 2013 the massanomics podcast episode 495 my name is Tanner and my name is Tommy my name is Tanner and I'm coming to you live from the dean as we always say It's always been your log-on call right there. To be fair, I'm wondering if we don't talk enough. I was going to, you know, I would take it for granted that we've talked enough about where we're from on the podcast. But there was a question in the MassaSomics Discord this week about where the meat is held.

I actually, I actually saw that. I'm like, I think maybe we don't specify enough about Aberdeen, South Dakota, Western Northeast, South Dakota, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, South Dakota, crew falls, South Dakota, I feel like we've been lagging maybe then. Probably. Well, and to be fair, you know, we throw out like a lot of directions so people can get confused there. I actually did understand that logic. Did you see how the person got confused? What was the?

They were looking at where the meat was and they knew it was at the Ramcota. So they Googled Ramcota and the Bismarck Ramcota is what popped up, which to be understandable, I think Ramcota is like a hotel ownership group is what they named their property. because there's like a ram coda in Bismarck, Aberdeen, I think Sioux Falls was Ramcota for a while. Yeah, but the Lift Hardly Veezy Classic

and Massanomics Gym all located in Aberdeen, South Dakota. The Dean. The more you know, the dirty Dean as the locals love to call it. What do you think? Still, people don't really call it to Dean.

I haven't heard a whole lot this week, but maybe. Maybe I'm still behind. I think it's catch. Oh, Big Anthony says the young hip kids call it the dean. Okay. Okay. Well, there we go.

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That's actually a good topic right there. I, yeah, what do you listen to podcast-wise these days? Okay, well, it's always, you know, it's a lot of the same. So I, you know, I check into Elite FTS table talk when there's a guest that I like. You know, I was-jury picking episodes on Elite FTCs, that's what I do. Yep, yep. Yep. Do you even lift, bro? I enjoy listening to that one.

You know, I was the most recent guest, so a little bias there, but. A little plug along the way. I like that one. I got some tech podcasts I listen to. I'm a big fan of this car pod. It's a little car podcast that I listen to every week. Let's Get Stupid I'm always checking in on them every so often

And just recently Those are kind of more of the regular ones Just one that I did mix in As more of a crime one That's been on my list for years It was called Bone Valley About a guy that gets accused of a crime And goes to jail for it

And then the investigative podcast team Gets on it to decide Is this guy really guilty and it was one of one of those types of podcasts. So what about you? Yeah, what you mentioned there. So do you even lift, bro, I don't miss that one when there's a new one. My one critique for them is they should do it more frequently.

Yeah, I'm a weekly podcast kind of man. Oh, actually along that topic too, I have been listening more to what is it called here? Neural News. I've been keeping up more on that one because it's usually shorter so it's easier to just crank that one out. quick. Yeah. And I love cranking one out quick. If there's one thing I like, it's cranking out a quick one.

One thing that I like and get it. Crank out the easy one. Rub out the easy one first. That's right. It cranked out. I do like neural news. That's big Jake and big mic. I've been listening to all of those.

Like there's a new one right now that I'm going to listen to. Actually, what now allows me to listen to those, here's my more critique for them is now that they publish it as an audio podcast. I know, because I consume patio. I can, I, we have a lot of people that watch these on YouTube, which is great. Not talking to out of that, but I, most my podcast, the way I, I do what I do, it's usually my phone in my pocket and YouTube, um, does not work as well for me for that. So in your old news, audio form, listen to that now.

I cherry pick table talk, uh, unpaid and underrated, of course. Here's a newer one. Uh, also supporting member rep, rant, repeat. He publishes fourth episode, I think. That's Big Man Who Parks and Jim, supporting member. What's kind of interesting about that is it is a solo show. Yeah, I got to check that one out. So that's a whole other kind of thing to do.

It's like a different medium when you're going solo all of a sudden. It is. It is way different. Like if one of us was to just do one, we should do that sometime. It's funny to think about that being like, right? That's actually like we have to do that where it's like we're not doing it because like I can't get there. you can't get there but it's like it's a challenge socially yeah it's like a challenge like episode 501 you have to do it solo and episode 502 I have to do it solo and we have to at least

do an hour and we yeah neither one of us can listen to the episodes until afterwards then we'll be like oh that's what he did for his hour plus right right yeah like yeah like well we could yeah I guess we could record them actually we could just record them at the same time and be like all right who's whoever goes first yeah really funny to think about Maybe we'll do that sometime. I mean, since this podcast is never ending, we do have nothing but time in order to work that in. It's like, no, we're, we still have to get through our ideas number 513 before we can get to that idea.

Get too much. We got to cover first. So it is a solo podcast, which is just way different. Props to being able to do that. I guess we've, what is this episode? 494 and I've, we're 495 and I've probably been on like at least 10 other podcasts before. So we've both done over 500 episodes and it would still feel really weird to do one by yourself. It would be the challenge of knowing when to move on and to just keeping things moving on.

Yeah, I mean, not that I want to give away my strategy to you for when we have this competition, but I would have to make a lot of notes. Oh, God, yeah. Like, I wouldn't want to read notes, but I would just need, like, I would, that would be what I would need, like, 10, 15 topics lined up for. Yeah, so that no matter what, you can't, you can't get too far off. Other than those, OK, podcast has had a couple episodes back. I got to check those out now that they're back.

I haven't. Huck Finn Barbell with Bryce and Finn, you know, when they put one out. home gym history you know that'd be rob when he when he puts them out it's some of these are just not frequent enough that it's uh i mean i listen to them when they're there i just want more that's my that's my critique that's where i struggle though is when people aren't frequent when you do one a month it's hard for me to yeah i forget to i forget to check the feed and then that happens to me and then all the sudden weeks go by and i'm way behind and then i'm like i don't want to listen because i didn't know they were doing it you know you know the feeling yeah yes uh i don't know

if I mentioned any non-lifting ones. I think you did. I'm kind of out of non-lifting ones at the moment. I kind of, because here's why, because I guess I hadn't really specified this, but I still do podcasts for my lifting sphere of people, and then my non-lifting thing has pretty much been audiobook time. Oh, yeah.

So it's either like I'm listening to a lifting podcast or I'm listening to my audiobook. So I haven't been listening to too much other, like, I don't know, talk show type shit. so that's this week's segment of what the heck are these guys listening to what the heck are you drinking over there you got a can or something i don't just got a can i got a drink spotter chill oh you got the new chill oh heck yeah oh heck yeah let me pop this bad girl in there ooh yeah the new black drink spotter chill it's now back with even more chill.

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some of the best, finest canned beverages that we could find. All right. We've got an interesting title topic this week. I'm excited to get to that. Before we do, we've got a few other things. I do want to mention our affiliates, though, before I forget. Very important. We mentioned it briefly in the pre-show, the show before the show,

but we have been really amping up our affiliate page. So go to massanomics.com. It's one of the top clickable things across the menu bar across the top or massonomics.com slash affiliates. You can see it there. And I don't know, it's getting to be that mostly any equipment that you would buy new, you could just about click on one of our affiliate links to get it, right? Is that fair?

Pretty much. I mean, there's definitely more companies out there than we have. But we're trying to, for the most part, stick to companies that we do buy or have products from. Right. So if you're buying from Rogue Fitness, Rep Fitness, PRX, Bells of Steel, Templa Gaines, Texas Power Bar, Strength Co, lead FTS, any of those equipment companies are anything from Amazon. You can click Amazon a link. Some of these, we have discount codes that you could actually also save a little bit of money. Some of them are not discount codes.

But if you're buying from any of those and you click through the affiliate link, we do get a, small amount of compensation from that and the hope being that if enough people remember to do that it ends up being worthwhile and it's one of the things that keeps massonomics running. It's becoming increasingly one of the things that keeps massonomics running honestly. That keeps all these lights on. Yes. I like Jake the snake posted annual mosquito conference with it. It's talking. But actually, Okay, a bit of local Dean news.

I don't know if we've ever talked about this. This is as political as the Massonomics podcast will ever get. And I'll just preface this so you don't turn it off. I'm ready for this. It's not political. It's comical, I guess, is why I think it's fun to bring it up. And I really don't also. I'm not even sure what my opinion is at this point.

But the local dean, one of the big talking points right now, I think it's coming up for a vote. Can I guess what this is? Is this Main Street? Yes. Oh, it's going to a vote, actually? I think so. Okay.

The Dirty Dean Main Street. And for everyone that's been here for the Lyft Hardly v. Classic, you've probably been down Main Street. So if you went to Sammy's omelet shop, I know we've had people go there. The Flame, I think some people went there before. 3-2-2. Those are all on Main Street. Depending on how you got to Loggers, is just like a block off Main Street.

Yeah. What is it, our beautiful, historic downtown Main Street? Beautiful historic downtown. And it's just a, the old meme is just a couple of buildings, some bricks and a pile of dirt. Yeah. Really, the gym is only like two blocks off. It is right there. Loggers is right there.

Where else if you have people been? Circus is really, really close to Main Street, too. It's probably most of the places. Oh, the zoo is on Main Street. But that's the other end. So that doesn't apply to this. You got to get north to North the 6th Avenue. So North Maine is what we're talking, actually.

so yeah do you know what the situation is well so right now the main street of aberdeen headed north is a one way it's two lanes but it's a one way road and so for those what is it five blocks maybe uh six six six yeah six yeah six blocks yeah right yeah those six blocks are only one way you can only drive north so if you need to go south you need to take a side street go all the way down and then come back up north you know there's two northern lanes yeah there's There's two lanes that go north, yep, and that's the way that you park. That's the way the all traffic goes. And that's just how the road has been in Aberdeen, I think, since like, when did it switch to that?

Like 50 years or something. Oh, it has been that long, actually. 40 or 50, like what I've seen people saying like, oh, it was like this, they switched it when I was little. And, you know, these were like older people saying this. So I think 40 or 50 years, something like that. And now the talk of the town is there's more of a push to once again make it two-way traffic with the idea. that I believe the reasoning is that it would allow more through traffic and possibly more visitors to downtown. Is that the idea? That's what I heard. Okay. That's the logic that I heard on that.

Yeah, I don't live there, so I don't have a real strong opinion on this. Yeah. I live here and I don't have a real strong opinion because I don't really care. Yeah. I also heard that it, I thought this was an interesting take today that if they make it two-way like that, it'll slow down traffic because I can't like go left to, you know, you can't go around. And I'm like, it is so slow on Main Street as it is like how slow. Isn't it? Well, yeah, it's like 10 or 15. I'm like, how can you get slower? And the thought is like, so we want people to slow down so they're like staying on Main Street. And I'm like, what are we trying to do, trap them here? Gotcha.

I'm like, why don't we just let people through and then like put down a barrier and be like, you guys are stuck here now. We're letting you out four hours. You just get in downtown historic Aberdeen and you like it. Yeah, you take that parking ticket and just wait and you'll pay it and leave. Yeah, I don't have, I mean, anything to boost downtown, I think is good. Yeah. You know, the cost is a concern.

Yeah, because it was going to cost a million dollars. But now it's maybe like a couple of hours. thousand dollars i don't know yeah um yeah it's an interesting one i don't know man it's i'd say a start would also be depending on who owns a bunch of buildings down there maybe look into like making some of those something to them ones that are falling down like maybe look at like renovating that or leasing that you know but putting businesses down there that's what i was just the the i don't think it i don't care if they do it it doesn't really i honestly i'm just i'm being a hundred percent honest i actually don't care either way it's not going to uh

anything I do but when I say that I also think maybe for that reason I'm like I don't know is it worth it because my kind of in my opinion is not going to affect anything so why do it I guess what it'll affect is the construction period where I'm annoyed when it's like for a year when it's all a mess so I guess maybe on that logic I'm against it because I'm like for a year it's going to be a mess when you guys are screwing around with or like a year and a half probably just seems It's hard to believe that, let's say, five years from how to, like, our downtown has transformed, and it's because we allowed one southbound lane. You know, like, that would be craziness. I'm not saying it can't have an impact of some kind, but to be like, it changed everything.

Like, it really feels like the bigger thing would be like, hey, you know how every block has a couple buildings that are in desperate need of help? Like, that probably seems like the more low-hanging fruit in this scenario, if I were to get it. Let us know in the comment, YouTube comment section. I'll use city nerds out there. You don't even have to picture our historic downtown Main Street. You could just picture any Midwestern historic downtown Main Street. They're all the same. Should it be two-way traffic or all for all one direction?

What's better? Maybe they need to change it to a one way that only goes south. So you have to go all the way around to come south down. Maybe that's the problem. You mean just switch it from going north to going south. Have they really thought this through in all directions? I don't know if there's the South Party has been properly addressed in this equation. The people in the north in the town are like,

damn it. Just for completeness, can we like really, all sides are represented here. That's hysterically absurd to say that. But then I think, is it that much more absurd to just be worried about switching it to two-way than it is leaving one? You know, because, like, if you're like, no, no, it needs to flow the other direction. I don't know. We need to reverse the flow. Oh, man.

People are probably just loving here. I think they should make it like checkers. You can only zigzag across the next. Every other blog changes the direction. You know, they're missing on some real novel opportunity here. It'd be like a tourist attraction. Let's make it really crazy. And then that way we get in some, like, newspapers and stuff.

a week. Like, oh, did you see what they did in the dean, historic downtown Dean, Main Street. They're up to it again. So stay tuned week by week as we continue to update you on all progress in the Aberdeen Main Street debate. One of the most hot button issues that I've noticed on stupid Facebook posts over the last week. And you're not really lying when you say one of the last week. And you're not really lying when you say one of the most hot button issues here either.

No, no. I'm saying it as a joke because I think it's funny, but that's actually 100% true. That's the talk of the town, kind of. I mean, we're not like my family sitting around talking about. We couldn't care less. But it's like if I look on Facebook, that's what I see. People are talking about. I'm catching the spillover from that down in Sioux Falls here.

I'm sitting all over. Next thing you know, they'll be changing your guys' directions of Main Street. What is Main Street in Sioux Falls? Well, there is a main street, but kind of like the main drag, the closest thing here would be Phillips Avenue. Right, but that's funny how some, well, it's not funny. I guess it's just the way things worked out, but like sometimes Main Street really is not even a thing, almost. Yeah, especially like bigger cities. I think it gets kind of just lost in the.

Like in Fargo, what is that one? Is that Main Street or is that different? Is that Broadway? See, I was going to say, I think that's Broadway, isn't it there? That busy road that has all that stuff on it? right i think it's broadway but i could be wrong there let's pick one midwestern town per week to analyze the flow of traffic the flow of their main street yeah just every one of them all just are two lanes going north are like how did this happen yeah you got a couple topics in here

that i'm curious about uh these top two things is one of those make any sense to talk about yeah yeah i got a little something for you here i just there yeah yeah This, let's take me a couple minutes, but let me, I'm going to say a series of words, Tanner, okay? I just need you to put on your thinking cap for a minute here. Oh, this isn't more flow of traffic stuff, is it? It's like Frogger, turn it into Frogger. All right, okay, I'm going to say a series of words, and I needed to tell me how these words are related, okay? Are you ready?

Okay. P, penny, nickel, quarter, half dollar. ping pong ball, golf ball, egg, tennis ball, baseball, apple, softball, grapefruit. They're all round things and it almost seemed like you, they were in from small to larger. Yes, yes, those are all correct statements. How are they connected, though? What is the logic here? Could you say it one more time, the series?

Like they're all connected. So there's a common thread amongst all of them. There's a common thread. Beyond just being round and from smaller to larger. Yes. P, mothball, penny, nickel, quarter, half dollar, ping pong, golf ball, egg, tennis ball, baseball, baseball, apple, softball, grapefruit. I don't know.

That is. I feel like I should know. Is it obvious? Should I know? I think afterwards you'll know. That is the way the National Weather Service measures hail size, just proving that Americans will use anything besides the metric system. Yeah, same again now that I know that.

Yeah, because that's, of course, true. Every one of those, I'm like, yeah, that's, okay, ready for this? Yeah, like, that's obvious. Like, in hindsight, I recognize every one of those as a measurement of hail. Ready for this? P. Mothball, Penny. nickel, quarter, half dollar, ping pong, golf ball, egg, tennis ball, baseball, baseball, apple, softball, grapefruit. I'll say one of those, I feel like I've never heard reference that way, is mothball.

I know. I don't think I've ever heard them say mothball size sale. I haven't really either. It's always like 80% of the time if someone's talking about it, it's golf ball. Oh, 100%. That's the one that sticks out. Okay, you know, the reason this came up to me is because I, my parents took the kids this weekend. I have to meet him in old Brookings, South Dakota, for the, to make the exchange of the

children. Was there, was there some supporting members there? Unfortunately, oh, actually, yes, there was. I was so caught off guard. Yes, Big Jonathan. I'm standing there. And, uh, yeah, we're at the gas station. And I can't even, oh, I hear, oh, they let anyone in here. And I'm trying to, like, put a car seat into the car. And I look up and, yeah, old Jonathan Phillips has his phone out the window, catching me in the act there. Yeah. But that was for the drop-off. I got that Snapchat.

On Sunday, when I went to go pick them up, I get the kids, I'm headed back to Sioux Falls, and there is some very dark clouds ahead of me. And I'm driving, and it's just like rain is all it was. And I've actually never seen this before. On the interstate, pulled over on the side of the road, was probably a row of 30 cars with their flashers on. I'd never seen that.

I didn't know what was going on. What I realized then is that, it was hailing and I came like right when the hail storm was done and so they were parked because of all the hail and there was all this hail on the road whatever I'm like I actually haven't seen hail in a while I get home the TV's on and there's a little blinker going across you know severe storm hail coming through half dollar size hail and my first thought is half dollar okay when was the last time you saw a half dollar coin in your life you know if you told your boy describe a half dollar to me?

Would he even know? Not sure. Because then what I was thinking, I'm like, okay, I know they have some wacky ways of measuring hail, like, is silver dollar one of them? Because I don't know how big is silver dollar. So then I started going down the rabbit hole of how do they measure hail? And then this is when I found the official National Weather Service size chart here. And out of all of them looking at it, half dollar is the one that doesn't seem to belong

as far as being like, I don't know how big a damn half dollar is. like yeah I like the idea that we're using antiquated or like out of circulation forms of money that like half the population has never even utilized it's like why don't we start using other other things that people don't like oh it was an iPod shuffle size hail it's like iPod shuffle I haven't had one of those in like 15 years here's the new chart iPod shuffle first gen iPod shuffle second gen iPod Nano iPod Nano fourth gen you're like which one was that because it's like what's the dollar versus the half dollar one and if you say a silver dollar is that a little different or what you know like i know i'm like thinking about this though half half dollars are those even in circulation are they still minting those things you know i don't know i mean if they are it has to be just very they should stop if they are they should stop i'm getting to the bottom of this somehow the zoom call is working perfectly but google's slow Yeah, it does say the Kennedy half dollar was issued in 1964 and continues today.

So apparently it's out there, but they are stingy with those things. Why do we need that? I want to know how much money gets spent on that existing. There can't be many. I mean. Oh, no, this says, oh, primarily for collectors, not general circulation. Production for circulation seized in 2002, but they continue to produce them for annual coin sets. Yeah.

Seized in 2002, like people didn't even. carry those, like, people carried those around as a novelty. It'd be like a thing your dad would have in his pocket. You'd be like, whoa, what's that? Right. Oh, 100%. Like, you would just be, yeah, I remember seeing them when I was little, but it's been a long time since I've seen one of those things.

Yeah. But I just have the size burned into my brain for when it starts hailing. I know if it's trouble or not. I remember for a while the gold. They tried to push, I think it was probably when I was in high school or junior high. The Sacchia ones. The Sacchiawaia gold. gold dollar coin and like they were I think they pushed that as like trying to get that

circulated I think they did did not work no no it didn't and I feel like I remember vending machines having issues with yeah understanding if there are quarters or dollars yeah well vending machines were set up to supposed to even be taking them and it don't think it was working all that well I don't think it did I feel like I I specifically remember losing dollars before you know when thinking you're just putting a quarter in yeah do you remember I remember when I remember when I was a little kid. They started the quarter states. Oh, God.

Like, and then everyone had a book where you collected your Denver and your Pennsylvania mint quarters from each state. And it was, they did him an order of, of the states becoming states. And I don't know how many years that went over. But, I mean, it's over many years. It might have been over like 10 years or something that. Do you remember that? Well, 100%.

Yeah, because you just wait for it. It's like, oh, you got the Delaware one. It's out. You got the Delaware one already? Like, when's the last time you remember being people? That's the only time I ever remember people being excited about money coming out. In case people were wondering how lowly stimulating the world was 20 years ago, you would get excited about quarters.

Yes. Yeah, I had a younger brother that had the map on the wall with all the quarters put in it. And it was, yeah, you just wait for him to come out so you could fill that up. Yep. I was like, oh, and then like when the South Dakota one came out finally, it's like, oh, my goodness. South Dakota, what's it going to be on it? I suppose you knew ahead of time.

I don't even look at quarters anymore. I mean, you've got to get ones that still have different states on them, right? I don't know. They've got to be in circulation, you would think. Big Ron says they switch to animals at some point. I don't remember. Boy, I do not remember that at all. That state thing was a big deal.

They should just do that all over again and just come out with a new thing on the state. You know, get people hyped on quarters again. That's what the world needs to be It's hyped on quarters That's the campaign for it This is the hyped on quarters campaign We're bringing the quarter thing back You're gonna need like 50 of them to buy anything

Quarter of the new penny I know we've This has probably been like two or three years Maybe like four years since we've talked about On the podcast I think it was probably an overall under topic at one point in time, but it was the penny. We discussed, you know, because Canada got rid of the penny, I believe.

Oh, that actually brings up an important point to me, though. Speaking of Canada coins, what do you think? Do you think they measure their hail in loonies and tunis, do you think? Yeah, it was loony-toony-sized hail, babuni. What else do they do in Canada? I'm just trying to know what the Canadian scale for hail would be. It's probably something that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

It's just the metric system. It's all it is. It was like, it was two centimeters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for being. Great fruit size hail.

God. It would be deadly. What are you going to get hit and head by a two pound missile coming from the sky? I know. It's like getting hit like shot puts raining from the sky. Oh, God, that would be brutal, though. Can you imagine? Oof.

That, uh, You'd want to get under some concrete structure for that. This is, if someone isn't in an area with hail, this is the South Dakota guide to hail. It's either hailing out or it's golf ball size hail. Those are the two gauges you get. Most of the time when it's hail, it's sleet and grapple and stuff like that. Are you familiar with grapple? Grapple.

Grapple. I thought you were trying to say gravel. No, it's grapple. What is grapple? I only know this because it's been a long-running, topic of discussion. I think it was a trivia question one time. And now we all,

now our house is very versed on grapple. What is it? Did you Google it? I don't want to bastardize it. It's like I kind of compare it to sleet. Oh, let me see. Maybe I got to put in more. Oh, grapple sometimes called soft hail or snow pellets.

It's a type of precipitation that resembles those that resembles tiny soft balls of ice or styrofoam. Like doesn't that kind of seem like sleet to you? almost yeah it's like not as wet as sleet i guess is what i would say yeah i know what you mean where it's just like it's just so in between hail and snow and sleet and have you ever heard of grapple no i've never heard that term before do is uh hail is hail uh north america wide uh weather condition like does everyone experience a little hail every year or it's very common here during certain months, you know, in the summer

months, like, we'll experience hail and let's see. It's a big deal because it hails on the field. It does not happen everywhere. Okay. It, uh, according to this little handy dandy map here, you could say it's most common in the old, what's it hurricane, or the old tornado

tornado. That's so I wonder if it corresponds with tornadoes. Yeah, real, middle of America kind of thing. And then it really, really drops off the farther east and west you go. Um, hail is, is, you know the sound when it starts to hail whatever you're in. Whether you're in a car, a house, or whatever it is, it's an unmistakable sound.

And if you're of the age that you own anything, it's a sound that will make your stomach stinks to the bottom of your body. The second you're like, oh, you can guarantee the one summer you leave your vehicle, the one night in the summer you leave your vehicle parked outside, you're going to wake up and just hear some crazy storm in a mad panic. Well, I guess for anyone that doesn't know, it totals vehicles. if it's bad enough. You know,

everyone's known someone that has a vehicle that's just been destroyed by hail damage. Yeah, it ruins roofs. You know, you often have to get

your roof is a total loss when it gets significant hail. It ruins crops. If you're a farmer, there's nothing worse than a bad hail storm. Yeah.

Yeah, like you said, if you're wondering what it sounds like, just picture being in a car and someone throwing a bunch of half dollars at it while you're inside. Let me paint a scenario.

Imagine if you were in a car and someone hit you with a golf ball. If you could ever, anyone that could ever picture such a scenario, I personally cannot imagine that sort of thing happening. But what type of sick individual would ever wish that on someone? Imagine that only it's 1,000 golf balls, all of which are nobody's liability. It's just a referral.

It's just much like a golf ball itself. What do we think? Should we do supporting our supporting members? I think it's that time. we're going to just a little roadmap for everyone we're going to do supporting our supporting our supporting members we're going to look at certified training facility of the week we might read in the ad or two and then we're going to get into our title title topic this week which is a doozy but first supporting our supporting members and got to mention this by the time

this comes out it's too late you're too late but if you're listening to this and you are not a supporting member. I'm sorry. We failed you. I mean, I've said it before. We are to blame. I just apologize sincerely that we let you down by you did not. You waited to become a supporting member. You idiot. I would say the only chance for redemption is to just sign up now anyways. So for the next time this comes around, you're just already in. Yes, because you can look at this two ways. Half full or half empty. You're either too late or you're really early for the next one. It's up to you to decide at this point that's a bit maybe that's i'm i'm too pessimistic on the whole glass i'm a glass completely freaking empty and destroyed sort of guy and you're a glass half full sort of guy so uh yeah

you can sign up for next time but that means by the time this comes out we're just getting well we'll talk about actually we didn't talk about our trip that we're heading for we'll talk about that but we'll just be getting home by the time this comes episode comes out people will not have their mailer yet but they will be headed out the door very soon so maybe like next week's episode something like that we'll get to talk about what the mailer is or somewhere in there so everyone can be pumped everyone that is a supporting member that was smart enough to get joined up in time you can get pretty excited because we got something special coming real soon but like tommy said that's not our last crew gift or that's not the last special thing that crew only get on actually

just today, we were brainstorming already. We have got some plans. Yeah, I mean, I'm, we do like to joke about this sort of thing, but, and this one's not even out the door yet, but I'm already pumped about the next stuff that's going to be coming for crew. Oh, you guys are excited about this one. Well, we've already moved on mentally. That is how it works.

Actually, that's called two steps ahead of you, try and keep up. One of the other perks of becoming a supporting member, if you want to find out all of them, you can go to our website and you'll see all. We've got a completely revamp supporting member website, actually. It's massanomics.com slash join. Join. Yeah.

Is that just the sign-up page or does that then take you to the... That takes you to the supporting member landing page. Okay. Yeah, so massanomics.com slash join. That's where we want you to go. Check that out if you haven't yet. If you haven't become a supporting member, check that out. There's a lot of more information.

We really bolstered that page. It's pretty cool now. You can see a lot of community stuff we got going on there. I mean, you got the guys in the hot tub from the Lyft Hardly Easy Classic. You got some more guys smoking cigars. You got some guys at this gym, guys eating pizza. Some girls from the Lift Hardly Easy Classic are in one of them even. I mean, a lot of good photos in there.

And supporting our supporting members this week, we have Big Hunter hit a family PR. Congratulations on the baby. girl big Charlotte joined the big hunter family so congrats big friendly neighborhood lifter competed in his first men's physique show he got first place in the 40 plus year old division we'll call that the master's division he took home first uh looking shredded too we're going to get a closer look at that bod here real soon need to see this up close yeah i don't believe it might Ben Photoshop, so we're going to go take a look in person. Get to the bottom of this.

Big Ben Bile competed in the Apex Strength Games, strong man competition. He got a 295 pound double overhand axle deadlift, and he also did a 610 pound yoke carry. Big Alex went 8 for 9 with

the 1,27 pound total, his power lifting meat going 429, 242, and 535. That was the USPA, Atilis classic. Big Jose is one week out from his IPF debut. Big Luke also hit a family PR. The crew is growing exponentially with his new baby girl. So congrats to Big Luke. Tell him congrats if you happen to see him down there in Texas. Then last but not least, Big Antonio. El Pinché was this week's guest on unpaid and underrated.

Go give it a listen. Also, Tanner, on the topic of supporting members and how we had made some tweaks to the website there. We talked about the affiliate page, made some tweaks there. If you hadn't looked lately, the certified gym's page has had a few tweaks to it as well. So whether you are an existing certified gym or you have been thinking about it, been on the fence, take a look. I think you'll like what you see there. Every time we think we're kind of done, we've been like updating the website now for like three weeks.

And we just keep coming up with more good ideas and, keep updating it and it's pretty sweet if you haven't just been to masonomics.com in general for a while other than the shop go browse around some of the other stuff that's going on there working more on there's an events page in there that's where i left that part out too yeah there you're right there is an events page now that we uh right now just crew falls is listed in there but we have enough things going on throughout the year that we're going to make a little events feeds so people at any point can click on that events button and just know what the heck's going on with massomics coming up in the next 12 months basically like where

where you can be to see what we got going on. What part of the Midwest you can find us in. Right, right. You can also check out our Hall of Fame page. That's for anyone that's a supporting member. You get in on the Hall of Fame program, check that out. There's also the records page. Right now, it's mostly just the horse stall mat grip records.

This just in horse stall mat grippers completely sold out today. We have no more horse doll mat grippers. Maybe if enough people go and sign up for back and Stock notification, maybe we'll bring those back at some point in time. They are completely sold out. If you've got one already or ones on the way, make sure to send us your best lifts, both single and double hand, and we can get you to add it to the record book right now. Right now, the easiest record, easiest one to make a splash and would be the single hand

women's. We don't have that many entrance for the single hand women. So you're a female and you got a horse tall Matt Gripper. Go to your single hand lift and get it sent to us so we can fill out that. portion of it. If you're a man doing single and double hand will get added to the list. It's going to be tough now to break into the top 10, but

you can at least see where you stack up. It is some very, very stiff competition in there if you know what I mean. Stiff is a horse stall map. Should we do a certified training facility of the week then? I think so. Okay, you got anything

in mind on that map or? Oh, God. This is the hardest part of the entire. Last time we were in Utah, We went Maine, Sweden, Utah. Maybe we need to go. Boy, it's just, there's nothing that annoys me more when I click on a gym and there's no photos of the thing. Yeah, if you're already a certified training facility, make sure to send us your photos so we can get you added. What about O'Doyle Rules Barbao Club?

Oh, I like how that sounds. He's got two pictures. Yeah, let me find it. here there we go it's it right next to louisville yeah there's actually a surprising number right in that louisville area had to click around a little more than i would have really been growing they haven't strong lately i like that okay ready to take a look at this yeah the odoyle rules barba club in the louisville area all right first up we got a basement gym here and we got horse stall mats floor to floor it looks like oh yeah you're

Yeah, Florida floor horse stalemate coverage. I like that. A lot going on here. A lot to look at. First thing, should we take it to the foreground first, enter? Yeah, I like to start in the foreground whenever possible. Yeah, work your way back. I like that.

It's interesting. He has one of those rogue benches that has the, it looks like it's the foam pad thing, you know, with whatever they call that. Doesn't it look like that because it has that embossed rogue logo on there? Oh, yeah. You're right. You know, and we don't have any of those benches. So it's always unusual to me when I see one of those

because it's just not what I think of when I think of a bench typically. We got that. And then in the corner of the foreground, it kind of looks like one of those little tighten leg extension machines. Do you think that's the Titan plate loaded leg extension machine? Leg extension slash leg curl? It could be. It's hard to say for sure.

Just because I can't see enough of it. I think that's definitely a possible option there. Yeah. Yeah, it's just I've had a hard time seeing a, better angle of it but i think that might be what it is um okay we got a lap pull down low row machine of some kind i'm not sure what what it's plate loaded does have the low row option though also yep that does look like a nice piece we have a ghd ghr sitting there with a bunch of stickers on it yep like to see that is that's i don't know the brand doesn't really matter but

looks like a ghd ghr situation yeah i can't quite We tell what Brennan is. A lot of massonomics flags and banners on the wall. We start looking around lots there. We got a combo. I think it's a Hansu combo, isn't it? Yep. Hansu Power combo.

I wonder, is that the one that I've got in my garage? I think so. I thought that they were the same, but I know it was in the last year. So he added that. So we got that there. Got a little vertical barbell storage in the corner there. And then there's also a power. power rack, four post rack.

Oh, he's got a, he's rocking the power rack and combo. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's got a bunch of strength co plates on that power rack too, I believe, doesn't he? Yes, those definitely look like strength co plates to me. What's off the top, or are those his knee sleeves hanging on his power rack? Oh, yeah, I think so. I wasn't sure what that was either.

Those comical things coming up off. That's his knee sleeve drying rack there is what that is. Yep. It's a four post knee sleeves. sleeve drying rack. So that's, oh, and then there's a treadmill,

of course. Got to have one those for that cardio. Yep. Yeah. I think that covers photo one pretty good. Photo two.

We got some mirrors. We got the certified training facility flag. We got the Chrissy boy banner. Uh, looks like we got the

west side road, west side scout reverse hyper. And then power blocks over in the corner there. We got some wall control with a few attachments to. I think that's most of it, isn't it? Yeah, that's a really solid basement gym, isn't it? That's, I mean, that is everything you need to get strong

and then a little something extra there. I mean, officially, though, like, do you think you could get strong there if it was you? Hell, yeah. Yeah. What do you think the history of it? I bet it is a long, complex history in that place. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's the O'Doyle Rules Barbell Club in Kentucky, the K-Y crew. All right. Yeah, get yourself on the certified training facility map. You sign up at Massonomics. Get yourself in there. You get a flag, a special signed certificate with your name on it,

your gym name on it. You get some special stickers. And probably the coolest part is you get on this map. and then you can send us photos and videos and stuff like that and we'll get them out of there. And even if you're not one, just go check out this map. Someone was asking is a while ago, like they were worried, is this like strictly a gym share map? Like if I'm signing up for this, am I agreeing to a gym share thing?

No, though actually one of the questions when you fill out your application to be certified is do you welcome any visitors or not? So you get to choose in there. and then that's, if someone does welcome visitors, that's noted when you click through the map. You can see that visitors are welcome if they've indicated that. This week's episode. Should I start booting people right now?

Yeah, let's boot people. Boat their asses. Tommy's a bit of historian. We all know that. One of his favorite things he likes about the lifting culture is history. The lifting culture. Just, let's talk culture in general. It's just everything.

He's just a history buff, I guess, is a shorter way of putting it. So whatever it is, the number one thing he likes about everything is the history. And Texas PowerBars, not only are they not an exception, they are like the rule of fun. They got a rich history. But speaking of modern day, Texas Power Bars, I know you're not going to like this quite as well, but I did want to talk about some of the modern day stuff. Checked out right there. Yeah. Texas Power Bars carry forward Buddy Cab.

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That means it's title topic time. You know what that sound means title topic. So what is our title topic this week? The working title is the most overrated home gym complaints. So what do we mean by that? You know, we're guys. We consume a lot of home gym media, a lot of home gym content. And you see certain things, criticisms, complaints, critiques brought up pretty commonly.

Some of them might be valid. Some of them not valid. but we're going to just pick apart some of these and determine, you know, is this complaint legit or is it overrated? And you can decide, are we on to something here? Or are we just old guys sounding angry? Yelling that kids to get out for damn grass.

Actually, it's funny. We had several of these topics written down all independently. And then we're like, wait a minute, this is just one bigger thread all connected here. Right. And then we realize, yep, it all goes together. So to even preface it before, I think with a lot of them, maybe not even all of them, but a lot of them, there is some amount of validity to the stuff.

Oh, yeah, there's a little bit of truth in all of these. A little bit of truth at all of it. But we mostly think they're overrated or overblown or that it's not, you know, it's probably not as big of a deal as a lot of people like to believe that they are in a lot of these cases, right? Like there is some validity to a lot of it and all, we may even be like

consumers or users. We've even bought into some of these things. Yeah, we bought, we may buy ourselves into it, but the true nature of overrated and underrated as we had become experts on over the years is it's not necessarily do we like the thing or not. It's has the idea become overrated, And that's the lens to look at this through.

So if we say something's on the list, it doesn't necessarily mean we think it sucks. In a lot of cases, that's not what it means. Or that it's a bad criticism or a bad critique. We're not saying that either. We just think it's become overrated to do that at this point. And that catches people up. People get hung up on that.

So it's important to mention that ahead of time. We don't make the rules. We don't make these rules. We just have to live by them. we did make the caveat to that we did make the rules we don't make the rules except for when we make them but besides that just how we have to play the game it's all about the game and how you play it so what is your first Tommy what's the first thing that's become most overrated and this is kind of we hear people say this in the like you said we consume this content and these are these are

things we hear people say a lot I think I think this first one is the one that kicked this whole conversation off when we had to make a note of and it is the nylon pulley versus the aluminum pulley yes and uh i so what is the argue what is the people say just watch any review what we're even talking about watch any equipment review that has a machine with cables in it and there will be a point in that where they will discuss whether the pulley of the machine is made of aluminum or whether it is nylon or like plastic basically but Yeah, so you'll see whether it always is a discussion point. Is this pulley nylon or aluminum?

And the common consensus seems to be that nylon is vastly inferior to an aluminum pulley because aluminum is far smoother is what gets brought up all the time to the point where actually most companies now, I shouldn't say most, a lot of companies now have upgrade options for aluminum or hop on like any home gym, I don't know, Discord, Reddit thing, whatever, Facebook group. And you'll see posts about people talking about, oh, I got this machine. I switched out all of my pullies to from nylon to aluminum and my machine's so much smoother now.

And I'm not saying those people are wrong, but I just, what I'm, there's so many things with this. The first thing I'm curious on is, is, does really the nylon, the plastic pulley versus the aluminum pulley, that cable gliding across those, do you really, really feel the difference of the friction of that cable on the two, or is it just one had a shitty bearing in it and the other one didn't? Like, I want to assume that more often than not,

that's actually what it is, is the critique is the bearing that is in that pulley more than anything. And it wrongly gets attributed to aluminum a lot of the time. That just makes so much more sense to me. Because the cable, the cable touching the pulley. Has like a plastic sheath around it. Right.

And whether, so the contact surface or the plastic sheaf and either the aluminum pulley or the plastic poolie, sorry, the aluminum poolie or the plastic poolie, it touching that, that can't be significantly different either way. Like my point there is, like, we're talking about the making contact of the different types of surfaces. That can't be all that relevant. It has to be, if there's a difference related to the bearing. and how the thing actually spins, right? That just makes so much more sense. And just a funny part for how I've seen this is like go look at for the most and maybe this is changing because of home gym trends,

but go look at like a lot of high-end commercial gym equipment like life fitness, you know, pieces that cost many, many, many thousands of dollars. And it's pretty much all nylon police on all of those things. And I remember there was a comment or there was a post. I cannot remember if it was Watson or Aliko or something. they were showing off on an Instagram post some type of

I cannot remember some type of machine and had pulleys in it and I remember one of the comments on it was oh really disappointing to see a premium company like this used nylon pulleys

and their own company you know where money is not an object they were like after extensive testing we found that there's no difference between aluminum and nylon pulleys as far as the feel goes and nylon pulleys

will make your cable last longer and like this is a company that's like invested pro yeah like this is a company that's invested in providing the best most expensive shit possible and like that was their response to like i can't imagine they're like oh you know we're going to charge like six grand for this but we don't we just can't swing another like on the on the pool we can't swing another two hundred dollars for the polis like our customers just could not stomach that up charge right so and just they literally determined that the nylon the plastic ones were a better a better option for yeah i think i'm i wish i could this was a few months

ago. I think it was Watson that had that. I cannot remember. I wish I could find it, but I just thought it was really funny reading that thread. And they're like, for real, go look, go into it at a commercial gym full of, whether it's life fitness or hammers or whatever they got. There's probably just nylon pulleys on

all of it. And now is there a difference between like our aluminum pulleys just on average built better than nylon pulleys? Maybe. I could see between the bearing or whatever. Right, right. When I say the, when I'm saying the quality, I'm saying mostly the construction of the components like is like it also wouldn't be surprised if because it's aluminum like the you know

the actual shape of the wheel and the groove are maybe machined better than they would be like on a plastic nylon one anyways but also I wouldn't be surprised if the aluminum because it is more premium just has a better bearing in it than whatever the nylon one is rocking but I I just have a hard time believing that I would think the bearing and then just the amount of play in the cable would play a way bigger impact on the smoothness of machine than what the actual physical material of that wheel in the machine is. I would agree with that, too. I think it's, uh, I think some of these topics catch wildfire.

Oh, 100%. And nobody even, uh, is not nobody. A lot of people aren't even considering the implications of why they even want it. The implications. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So my, I think this is a great one to kick off with because I'm kind of like,

I'm convinced that doesn't matter to me. I think because the commercial gym scenario you brought up also, every one of them on the cable crossover, leg extension, leg curl, a plat pull down in Massonomics gym. This is just anecdotal, my little corn of the world. They're all, none of them are aluminum. Well, in the cable crossover, that's a commercial life. fitness unit like it's oh yeah and like it's been through the ringer man like that thing's been

used that's what i'm like all the time and this is just one just purely anecdotal so you can't take it with a grain of salt but there's no no pulley issues you know i mean i just i did having aluminum pulleys on there would do nothing different there would be no net benefit of that right i'll i'll i'll stake that claim well and then the other thing we talk about and this kind of goes with all this stuff is like how much are you trying to just cut all resistance out as well? Like, you know, this is resistance training. That's true for a couple of these, even a couple more so for a couple of these where you're like, it's a weird thought at a certain point that you're trying to make it.

And I guess I get you want the weight. I mean, I guess I kind of get it. You want the weight to be the resistance, not the friction to be. Right. But like, I mean, it's a diminishing retic. turn thing. Like, you can't tell me that the different, like the resistance, like if someone somehow measured through a scientific experiment, like, what is the coefficient of the resistance here? Like, it can't be like drastically different between the two. Right. That being said,

if I'm going to buy a piece of equipment and it has, it does have aluminum pulleys on it, I also think that's fine too. Oh, yeah, it's fine. I'm like, or I'm like, it's not a big selling. If I'm looking at two exact ones and one is $200 more that has aluminum pullies, I don't, I would spend the money on the difference i don't believe from what i understand up to this point but if it has them on it i'm gonna be like okay cool you know especially and just to show maybe it looks cooler i don't know how sometimes you need to step back and think you know when i got my lap pull down last year uh picked it up and part of the refurbishment process was like oh i can upgrade all of this to aluminum pulleys like all right and i'm like wait a minute you start looking at them and maybe i didn't

look enough but i'm finding them and they're like i don't know ten dollars a pop or whatever my machine has like 12 pulleys on it like I don't want to spend $120 to have maybe cost more than the machine maybe a smoother machine like like when it comes to my own money I'm like no I'm not spending my money on that because then what if you just change some of the coolies to aluminum what's the does that do anything though like then it looks weird because it's this mismatched system of you know it looks like oh did you run out of parts here or what happened to the budget where like these things aren't matching I still think there'd be a lowest common denominator at play if some of them are nylon,

if there really is a difference, and you have some aluminum and some nylon, whatever the negative effects of nylon ones are, you're going to experience it still because of some of them are left as nylon. Yeah, you would think that the system would just degrade to whatever the worst one is in it. That's what I'm saying, yeah, yeah. Enough on all of our physics knowledge.

Our lack of, there's probably some people are like, oh, God, these guys are wrong on everything. Anecdotally, though, I would say from a user experience, I've used some with aluminum and some with nylon, and I can't, it's made up to me. The difference is negligible. Yeah, there's, I would say this, there's been some new machines we've used that have aluminum pullies, and I think, oh, yeah, this thing is really smooth. But then I wonder, what would this be like if it had been in a gym for the last 20 years getting used like? 10 times a day, all day, every day? Would it still feel this smooth? I don't know what the answer to that is,

because that's what I'm comparing it to. Equipment that's just been through the ringer. Yes. Okay. What's next? Next on the list. This is one that I see get used a lot as well. The criticism,

nerled everything. Every touch point must be nerled or your hand will slip off and it will just fall apart. um this one's fine whatever i mean there's definitely a lot of things where i mean there are things where it 100% makes sense to have nerling on it um from a grip standpoint and just like hanging on but um i don't know i i'm also assuming that the difference between nerling something and not nerling something there is a cost there is a cost to that and there's certain things where i think

it probably doesn't need nerling and you can just save someone the 10 to 20 dollar upcharge or more of nerling, whatever that might be. So I'm not in the camp of thinking that every single thing always needs to be nerled. And also, let's be real, there's varying degrees of nerling. Like, there's definitely pieces of equipment that have neural handles and things on the equipment. And you're like, this could just as well not be nerled

because it's almost decorative at this point. Right. Uh, that, this definitely stems as a coupe thing. There's a few things on the list that stem from coop. And I think this absolutely came from him originally. And to be fair. When he first started saying this, there was probably like nothing nerled. Like he's been saying this a long time.

And I think things have come a long way since then to where it's, I think, much less of a thing than when it used to be. I think on my rogue flat bench, you know which one I'm talking about, the nice one. Yeah. I think that had a regular smooth one and you could upgrade to the nerled one and I did. Yep. I just don't know. Like bench. You no longer dropped your bench anymore.

right i mean like i'm also how weak is your grip it kind of just feels like it's just a jewelry like you're just buying jewelry for you equipment at that a certain point so can we agree there is no functionality to it then like is there functionality to those things like you need it to have nerling what to be able to grab it or is it just look cooler because i'm actually down with things looking cooler like the aluminum pulle is the biggest thing i think is if you can do it like uh anodized Like those tight ones. Okay, that's freaking sweet. It looks cool.

It does. Let's make that the argument. It looks cooler. Yep. Then I'm like, okay, I can buy that. So it's like the neural everything. Are we just saying it just looks cooler? I think that's the primary benefit is that it looks cooler.

Not that like your equipment's constantly slipping and flying out of your hands. Like. And then you can justify it by saying, well, but now it won't fall out of my hands. I'll have a better grip on it. Right. But we're saying it looks, it looks cooler. It also just like fits the vibe. more too where you're like yeah i think not it's the gym stuff it's neural now you're like

first and foremost an aesthetic thing that you that you mask in saying that it's a functional reason is why you need it you know that's how you justify it to yourself right have you ever grabbed any of those things like we're talking the bench handle or like an adjustment on machine actually wasn't nerled just keeps like my my rep ab 5200 is one of the things people like about it is it has a neural handle and it was just the other day i was picking it up and i'm like look and I'm like this is the most passive neural in the world like it's right I mean yes maybe it's better than just completely smooth steel but yeah like this isn't doing much as far as the actual but it's just aesthetic that it's achieving the aesthetic uh check box one of because it really like

that also proves the point it doesn't really matter what the nerling is like I know just that it is nerled yeah you know what machine has the wildest nerling on it though for a machine of the places we've been to you know what I'm going to say it shark to Juji Mufu's pit shark. That is the handles on that thing. That's like a rogue egg roll three X on the handles of the pit shark. It's crazy. One and a half inch handles that you're like,

you grab that thing. If you like do a dip on it or something, your hand is going to be completely imprinted with an early. Like an actual cheese grater. Yeah, it's funny. You knew that exact same. It is when you said the most aggressive.

It just stuck out to me because it was so crazy. And I'm curious if all of them were like that or if that was, the one he got happened to be like that. But yeah, someone else that has a pitch shark, tell us if the handles are insanely nerled on yours too. I want to know. Okay. Next one.

Yeah, I want that. All equipment to just have the most aggressive pitch shark nerling on it. It's like not good enough to have to have it. I want it to be dangerously sharp nerling. I want it to potentially cut me if I grab it wrong. Yes. Next one on the list. This is another common.

criticism. The objects are too heavy. And there's a couple things that this gets brought up a lot on. Benches are too heavy, too heavy to be maneuvered and moved around. And attachments I've noticed lately. That's been a big, a big,

oh, I've put my light. That's been a big change over there. I forgot. The light was running off a battery. I forgot I unplugged it. Attachments. A lot of people now,

they're liking aluminum attachments because they're not as heavy, whether it's like a lap pull down or something else. And I'm not debating the quality of that. Like, I'm sure they're so nice. But sometimes I'm like, again, doesn't the feeling of heaviness convey like a sense of security and trust with these products? And even if it's not necessarily true, is there a feeling of quality just to? Oh, absolutely.

It's like a very common criticism. of my bench again now we're bringing this rep ab 50 200 up is i think it weighs like 120 pounds or something a lot of people knock it because it's too heavy um i've never once in my life thought that at all i've touched commercial benches that feel significantly heavier than this thing the way either that they're weighted or the handles are on other units can make them much harder to move we've had a number of commercial do you remember like the old commercial benches we had in mass and i'm like one probably weighed like 600 pounds it's like oh you want to move that up it's you want to just Move that off the edge of a horse saw mat.

Well, good luck, buddy. Like, that's an actual heavy bench. And maybe, maybe I'm coming from a different realm where I'm used to commercial great equipment, but I've never once thought that my bench was too heavy to maneuver. I mean, it's, like, you pick up the end. I mean, I'd actually like to know if you took a scale weight to it and picked up one end, what it actually weighs, because, you know, you're not lifting the full 120 pounds. And you get it up a little bit and it's on the wheels then.

So it's not, it's not hard to move at all. But that is something that people. Actually, every bit that you get lifted up more, it's lighter and lighter. Yeah. And let's just people knock that piece of equipment for saying it is too heavy. Now, granted, if I was like a five foot tall woman, not saying they're not strong, but just being shorter and everything, like that's a tall bench, I can see how it could be a little more unwieldy at that point. You know, it's more awkward angles when this thing, this bench is like, no as tall as you, that would be a little more weird. But when I'm going to bench and like I'm, I had this meat, I weigh 220 pounds.

there was some benches I took on this thing that were over 315. And like, I'm thinking, okay, this bench is supporting over 500 pounds. Rock solid. I don't want to think like, oh, I'm really glad they made this thing a lighter. Like, I want this thing to be as solid as possible not move one bit when I'm on racking it because that's a lot of weight, you know? And you're in a more extreme case. Like, could you imagine at your heaviest being like 275 and benched like 450 on there? Yeah, yeah, it's like it's, yeah, it's got 700 plus pounds laying up.

Yeah, you don't want to be thinking for a second that, oh, I'm glad this bench, like, glad they made it light. Oh, I wish it was lighter. That's not a good feeling. And so that's the one you see with some of that stuff. I mean, I can understand, like I said, for the moving out, it can make it a challenge. But just beefiness, it inspires confidence. And now with attachments, a lot of people have, whether it's lap, pull down bars or like multi-grip attachments,

this has been more of a popular thing here is that all the the aluminum it's made out of aluminum because it's so much lighter I'm like well the attachment in the first place only weighed like a few pounds three pounds yeah that light especially like the benches okay I don't want to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy what are we in the gym for like come on you know we're trying to get stronger trying to get strong stay strong and use our strength here like oh this bench is too heavy you know i'm like come on i try not to be that guy all that often about stuff but i'm like i'm like i don't it's like man up a little bit dude like you know when you just take that one right at face value it's like yeah man okay yeah all right

Next one. Next one-by-three, one-inch racks. 11-gauge steel, you could have that. That's like three qualifies there. The main thing is probably three-by-three with one-inch holes in it, where it's like an elitist attitude towards that. Or a one-inch diva, maybe, is that? Yeah.

And everything else is inferior or almost unusable to go to an extreme. And, yeah, this. This one, I mean, I've, three by three and one inch, that is the, I don't want to say industry standard. That's like the top end of what things are. You know, like that's the biggest, the beefiest. People have variations. That's always like their biggest, most expensive one. Yeah, for every company, like that's the, that's the cream of the crop.

That's the top of the lineup is the three by three one inch holes. And then if you were to look down the list, probably below that, you would say three by three, five-eight inch. and then probably a notch below that would be your two by three and whatever spacing they have on there. Will all of those get you strong? Yes. Will any of those hold you back from your strength goals? They really probably shouldn't

because attachments exist for all of those. You know, if I were to say in a perfect world, would you go with three by three? Probably because I think you have the most options for attachments if you're going to go three by three. but that's the biggest selling point of three by three one inch is just the is the options just the compatibility like everyone that's why i have them in mass that's why all of mine are that is because it's what people most widely make options for they do like that's the best part of it they do and can you can you can you find two by three attachments absolutely all day long like you you totally can but if you want the biggest variety like being in a three by three system will give that to you now when you're talking one-inch versus five-ace. Is there more for a one-inch?

Yes, there still are even more attachment options for a one-inch system, but you do pay a premium for it. And it was like you asked me, Tanner, I think I'm one of our gym tours we filmed. You know, Tom, you got a five-eighths-inch rack where you still able to get strong with just five-eight-inch attachment holes,

not having one-inch. And I said, oh, I'm still finding it out, but I think I might be getting strong with just five-eighth. I can't tell you for sure yet, but I think it might be working with just a five-eighth system. Yeah, that's where I think it's overrated.

You know, like where there I'm a user and a buyer and a consumer, but I think the thought process is overrated because I'm like, all right, let's get real. If it has five-eighths-inch holes, what's different other than you have to, you know, the main perk, the reason I have that really, is probably, I just think it's mostly the options that it opens. You can just, you're never going to be,

there's never going to be something you can't get for that. Like every, if people make something, they're going to make it to fit that. Yeah, it'd be really weird. If there's only one option, it's going to be that. Yes, pretty much. And I will say, uh, after a year and a half of having a 5A cinch rack, the only attachment that I've had to look more than a minute for to find,

was a leg roller was a little more challenging with a five-eight-inch system. Not that there wasn't options out there, but the five-ace options that existed were ones that I didn't like a whole lot from a design standpoint. So again, I could have typed it in

and found one and bought it right away, but the most immediate options from the biggest names weren't, there was just a few design things about them that the one-inch style typically, I wanted something that was more in line with what the one-inch style had. just took me a little bit of looking and I found that but for the most part though I know some people will tell you if you start I don't know if you start going deep into the all in one trainer and something like that maybe then that's when you would need a one inch system but I don't even know if I don't even know if those all and one trainers require one inch or not that's how I how little I pay attention to that yeah okay uh these next two are they're somewhat related to each other then oh actually yes they are they are you're right

Next on the list we have things are too loud, too loud for my ears, make it stop. Yeah, so there's, this is a common complaint brought up, whether it's plates being too loud, just weights in general, dumbbells being too loud, adjustable dumbbells being too loud, and bars being too loud, our good buddy Brandon, he probably popularized this barbell test. I think it was when he started, I think he had a review for the American barbell. I don't know if it was the chewy bar It might have been the chewy bar actually Where he did a little drop test of it

And just showing as a way to show the tolerances How tight it was that when you dropped their bar That it pretty much made no noise It was kind of just a thud and that was it Where some of the other ones you would drop them And you would hear some more rattling in them Does that speak to quality craftsmanship? Maybe or I don't know

Maybe it just speaks to someone just having tighter tolerances I guess if you can decide if that's quality craftsmanship or not. I mean, to a certain extent, yes, it is. But I see that brought up a lot with people critiquing barbells. Ooh, this barbell has rib sleeves. It's so loud when I put my plates on or, you know, things like that. And I clanging and banging, baby, isn't that the point of this whole thing?

I think that rib sleeve thing is something I would have never, like I have owned like 60 different barbells. Had that not been a thing that I did. just know people talk about and know people some people don't like i mean i would recognize that some of them are different i don't think the thought would have ever crossed my mind that one's better or worse because it does or doesn't have that right like that like when i put one on and it makes a noise like i've never once considered that if not for people having talked about it i would have never even never even thought that someone would be worried about that which way it is

well and i see people bring it up like oh i lift in you know a home gym or whatever my kids sleep and i needed to be quiet i'm like you can just put the plate on the bar a fraction of a second slower and it won't make any noise you know like that's kind of how that goes but the ribs in theory they prevent some walking of the plates oh i actually i think people i think that's what the complaints i've read because i don't have any bars with a smooth sleeve i think people said when you have a smooth sleeve the plates do move around on it more if you're not using colors so the ribs do keep it in place to a certain extent you know it's also going to depend a lot on the plates you're using too but i don't care about the ribs on the sleeve either way

it doesn't matter to me i guess i don't care the bar you know the bar noise test stuff i guess it's it's interesting yeah it's interesting a novel but again i like seeing it i don't yeah it's like, yeah, the American Chewy Bar, I guess it makes less noise. It's also like, like, over twice as much as a regular bar. So, like, better to be doing something better, I guess. Yeah, yeah, I'm like the weights, you know, weights being loud and plates and plates and stuff. I biasly do come from a school of training where I want it to be a little loud. I guess I'm not training somewhere where I have to worry about waking my kids up.

So I don't have that concern like someone might, but I come from a school where I like it to be a little loud. You know, I want the music to probably be a little loud. I want the weights to be a little loud. It's like the environment to me. And I get it. Sometimes you are in environments or situations in a home gym where things need to be quieter. I understand that.

But at a certain point, like if you're really getting after it, it gets hard to re, just even rewrack your weights if you got actual heavy weights on them, you know, and not have the rack make noise, the plates make noise and everything. Like, it kind of just happens at a certain point. Tell you this much. Some of the best,

strongest, most fun sets I ever had didn't end with silence. You know what they end with slamming something, you know, rewracking it, screaming. Maybe like one or ten guys screaming. Yeah.

Not how many times are you doing an awesome lift and you just very cautious? Just ease it back into the rack. No, you hit the bench, you slam it back into the bench. Oh, 100%. Like, you don't go. Yes. Great lift.

Exactly. I'm right there with you. Here's one that I like the resistance curve. Like you could specifically relate it to cam shape on machine. and this is this is not new actually what I'll say we've talked about this too

I actually have two points here now that we're talking about this this cam shape thing we had a separate conversation about this that I think is also relevant to this but what this resistance curve or camshape thing I'll be the first to say I like to optimize which is the funny buzzword that we talk about that people say you know we like to

if we can do things to make exercise is better that feel better that look like feel like they're working the muscle more or whatever that we're also in favor of doing that but there becomes this point of overratedness to this stuff where people dwell on it to the point where I'm like do you even lift it's the it's the hyper fixation on details right are at the end of the day details I'm like and I get it if you're an equipment reviewer that's your job yeah like to look at these details and you know you're We do some of that same stuff. You're looking at the details, and it's important because you've got to find differences,

like what is different about them. But at a certain point, people over fixation on this optimization of the perfect strength curve or the ideal range of motion, all that, which I get, it just becomes overrated. It just becomes a point of where I'm like, oh, come on, lift. Look, look all that. Like, okay, Jose, very strong guy. He has a lot of prime equipment. and one of the selling points of this prime equipment,

the plate loaded ones, is that you can load the resistance curve the way you want. Now, you got to experience it firsthand. You can, you know, make it heavier on the bottom, heavier in the middle,

heavier in the top. It gets very complicated in a hurry, like where you should be, where you should be even doing this. But what I always laugh at is you'll see these posts in the, in the garage gym reviews, Facebook group of people like, oh,

I really got to get this machine because I can load the curve here in these certain spots. And I'm like, are you at that, point in your training where that's what you need to be worried about because I'm not sure you've reached that point. Yeah, I kind of respect Jose's position on it because of it's not, it's not fair to me to judge everyone based on how strong they are. But in some of these contexts, it does matter to me. Yes, because that's where I'm like, no, Jose, you got something figured out here.

And Jose's very, very strong. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, he's at a point where some of the stuff might matter. The hyper optimization matters. Yes, because he's literally, trying to make the world team for power lifting and anything he can do to give him even a 1% advantage would be huge yes yes so then when i see i'm like i don't know just some of that stuff i think people just worry about too much right like i'm like i don't that doesn't matter that's not the thing that's holding you back you know our joke is like oh this is finally the thing that give me strong that's not the thing that's finally going to get you strong what's not getting you strong is that you don't train hard at all you don't do any of the important lifts

You're not consistent. You eat like shit, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not because the cam is too round and not oblong enough so that in the bottom position you're not getting enough resistance. And the freaking range of motion isn't quite far enough that you're not building enough muscle development through hypertrophy because of those reasons. You know, it's like that's not true.

Stop saying that. Yeah, it's... But that being said, if you give me two machines there again and you're like, oh, this one feels better because we've got a better stretch and this one doesn't, I want the one that... I also want the one that's better, but it's usually not that important.

Yeah, and this thing also kind of ties into the Voltra piece of, you know, well, oh, you can modify the resistance curve to anything you want and do not get me wrong. It's super cool, but I sometimes think about it my own training, I'm like, I would just put like the weight on, I don't have time to dick around with all these curves and, like, figure out what's actually going on here. I just need to lift the damn thing and get done. How have you decided what's better?

Like, how have you decided what the best screen for that? Yeah, you'd have to run it for several cycles and then try it again. And even by then, it's like, well, if it was getting better, then maybe the thing that got you to that point, changing it up. I mean, it's just so hard to test that and actually know, you know, like, what is the thing that's doing the thing you want it to? Well, you know why it's so hard to test that? Because the results, the difference in results are going to be so minute. Because we're talking about, okay, a Walter exercise. So we're doing face.

Like we're doing triset push down or a face pull. Like some of these, you know, we're doing these accessory movements. What is the measurable difference between if you're trying, training with intensity versus if you have it set on straight weight versus you have it on reverse bands or makeup, whatever? And you train like that for a 16-week block both ways. Similar rep. We're not even manipulating rep and set scenes. We're just manipulating the strength curve.

Just right off the bat, you're going to get better at it from a technique standpoint. So you're going to have gains right there. Yeah, that's... There again, I think that that's a really sweet toy. If I had one in a home gym, I would mess with it and stuff. I think it's cool. Overrated, though. Yeah.

Okay, well, so yeah, that's actually, we did put the Voltra thing down here. Right. And I kind of did just sort of bring that up. But yeah, like this, there is for sure a Voltra bias going on with things. And like I said, I think it's a super cool contraption. I'd love to have someone one someday. It's not high my list. But at the end of the day, I just will never forget Tanner on this podcast, probably about 10 episodes ago.

You're like, it's just a portable weight stack. And you're like, how often do you need your weight stack? portable. And I'm like, me? Never. Never do I need it portable. So it's like, well, what are you buying here then? And I guess you're buying the different resistance curves made me see so clearly. I guess you're buying smart resistance curves, which again, isn't super high in my needs list. Because I know that I could just put more weight on and just actually just try harder. And that makes, I mean, I'm just telling you from experience. Like I did that. You could focus more on the movement. You could try harder and also just.

be more in the moment of like, okay, like, let me connect my mind to this muscle that I'm moving here and actually only move it with that muscle. Like in my own experience, my bench right now is the best that's ever been in my life at 36 years young. And that was when compared to in my late 20s

where I had nothing but time. I could spend as much time in the gym. I had as much as I had all the time in the world for recovery and training and eating. And I didn't take it. I just didn't take those things seriously. Now, if I didn't put it in the right amount of effort, And now this past year, like, I just smoked all of my accessories.

Like, I just put in so much more effort. I picked smarter accessories. And it's like, oh, you know what made me stronger? Just picking better accessories and trying harder. That's actually what made me stronger. Like, not any resistance curve stuff or anything like that. Right. Still cool, though.

Still cool. It's all that being said, still cool. Put nerling on extra crap. It's still a little cooler. You make the pulleys like red aluminum still looks a little cooler, but. overrated um this one this okay this is again kind of two things so okay we'll just say cheap things are cheap sometimes when i see people talk about piece of equipment they get mad that it can't do x y and z or that it only does one thing and sometimes i think well yeah because that's what it

cost to make it do that thing like yeah we could add aluminum pulleys we could add a neural handle we could make it have this adjustment here and add this thing here and maybe put a cam here or a different cam here or adjustable weight horn here. And I'm like, yeah, you do all that, but now you've just made the thing cost three times as much. And it's not that product anymore. So this, I don't know, this is more of maybe an abstract one. But sometimes I think people don't look at things for what they are or forget to grade on a scale that something that is really expensive should be held to a higher standard because it is really expensive, where cheap things can just be what they are because they're cheap for a reason.

Yep. Yeah, you can continue to add all these options and make everything better. It's just going to cost more. Well, that's the trade off. And like this is, I mean, not even, I actually just this, just today listening to, I think it was neural news. One of the things, and I get, I'm not the market for this. So I'm not a good person to talk about this. But I like nerling so much.

I even like my news neural. Yeah, exactly. News, neural. they were talking about like a force USA all in one system and uh again I'm not the customer for this I don't have you know Jake had one of those in his garage you know I don't know if you had a force USA did he I can't remember he had two of them the second one he had an inspire maybe the force USA was the second one yeah you might be right actually yeah inspire was the first one yeah then maybe the force USA was a fan of that one I think the force USA seemed a lot better than

yeah it did see much more just like a like a power rack all in one type solution and I don't doubt that it's a bad product but like this one they were talking about today you know it's it's a power rack it has a smith machine in it has an all-in-one functional trainer it has these you know free motion arms it has all this stuff and it's a one-by-one you know three-by-three one-inch hole system and all this and it's like and it's like oh okay so what does it cost to do everything more than i've spent on my entire gym is i guess is what that costs um so you know Nope, I have no doubts that it's probably a pretty well-put-together product. A lot of people that know a lot do think it's good.

But I see that and I think, yeah, yeah, I don't need something that can do everything because that's just a lot more than what I want to spend on something like that. Right. What's left on the list? Oh, last one here. Okay, last one in the complaints we have here. I see this get brought up a little bit too is someone comes out with a new product. And there's usually, I put this as kind of like a hater common.

like, oh, just wait for version two when they fix this, this, and this. And to be fair, there is some of that that happens in the fitness space. But I would also say this, if that thing, if that piece of equipment that whatever that is accessory is the thing that is actually missing from your training, just get it. Like, your training is going to be better now having that than waiting a year, two years, three years, whatever that might be if version two ever does come around. If it really is something that is needed in your training or something that you think will help you achieve, your goals. Just get it now. And when that day comes, you know, if you need to address it then and the version two really is that much better, well, then you can have a look at your budget and all that. But, um, I mean, you could go on all day with all these. Like no companies

ever just like, yeah, we're done. We, we, this problem's been solved. Never again will we make any variation. There's always new stuff coming out all the time. So if you're going to play that game, you'll just never own any fitness equipment ever. One, uh, side tangent I had that I had that I thought of before I forget. This is not directly related to the topic at hand, but it's in relation to something we discussed, like related to the cam shape and of these machines. I thought it was interesting.

We had this discussion on these machines how it was funny. I look at these 40, 30, 40, 20, 30, 40 year old commercial gym machines, selectorized machines that seem to have kind of had this stuff nailed. that now we feel like it's novel when the equipment companies that are more home gym focused are coming out with now. I'm like, that's not new.

Like, that's just... So this is what we were talking... Okay, this is a discussion we had offline where what it feels like what happens actually in the home gym space is the commercial gym industry has had a ton of money pumped into it over the years, like insane amounts of money.

And there's... been massive teams of people that have taken on things and a lot of things they figured out like like yeah we've learned more stuff in recent years but a lot of the stuff they did figure out pretty well back then and i think what happened is then when the home gym stuff started happening it was you know like these small they just made shit at first like a lot of it was just like upstart companies that didn't have budgets and didn't have teams and so they just piece stuff together and they made the most dumb down versions of stuff right yeah they made just versions that you could fit under the bed and that people could, you know, it fit under the bed and you could easily

pick it up and move it, you know? And that was what it took. And so then they made like these dumbed down versions of it. And then as time went on, the home gym space got more and more sophisticated to where it feels like now what's kind of celebrated in the home gym space is just what the commercial gym space figured out like decades ago. Right. And it's just evolved. Well, like, we... into something that already existed. I mean, you know, you know, talking about like that cam thing like you just you're looking at old pieces of equipment in any like commercial gym and they have the cam thing figured out you know it's not a perfect you know it's not a perfectly uh circular cam like they've right they've put some thought of that the other

one we had the revelation on is everyone's talking about like these tornado arms and these adjustable trainer arms and you're like well actually like it's all just just ripoffs of the free motion functional trait like you look at that it's like oh no everyone's just trying to do that but just put it on a rack like that problem's already been solved the models out there is just how do you integrate it into a rack which yeah i guess maybe that is the hard part but there's so much that you look at that's been done or that seems novel and you're like no no just look at the commercial gym space you can go back far enough someone probably made a machine that actually solved that problem it may it might have got forgot about or lost in time or been kind of obscure but a lot of the

problems i think have been solved over the years yes we had a shorter list of uh uh wild cards where we thought there were even more valid complaints. We're like, no, these ones aren't even really all that overrated. We just kind of probably agree with them more so. I think the most valid complaint, and I even here this still might not even get enough credit at times or enough importance, but space constraints. I think that is the most valid complaint when talking about a home gym.

Because there's pieces I would love to have, but I'm like, I just can't. You had two or three of those, like you've quadrupled, I've quadrupled the size of my gym. You know, there's enormous. miss. So in a home gym setting, space is like the most important factor. Even in a commercial gym setting, Tanner, at a certain point, Massonomics starts to have a lot of stuff in it. And space becomes more and moreover

premium every year. Yes, it matters. And then assembly directions. Like, it is just nice to actually have decent assembly directions because it is frustrating when you're putting something together and you don't have directions how to do it. It's just like an exploded diagram. You're like, what goes where when do we do this thing so uh yeah props to any company that actually puts in the time and effort for whether it's assembly videos well thought out assembly print directions whatever that might be that's always a bonus in my book so that is our most overrated home gym complaints any any missed ones that you thought of was we were going through or did we we nailed it

again. Yeah, and you could, I mean, this topic almost borderlines on most overrated home gym trends even, but trends you could actually take into exercises and things like that. Maybe that's another topic for another day, Tanner, overrated home gym trends, because actually I could go on and on about that more. Yeah, that might be another one that we, we save for after we do those episodes where we each do a solo episode. Yeah, that's right.

It'd be a good way to follow those up. And let us know in the comments what do you think we missed that people talk about. Yeah, I really want to know, because I know there's people out there. They're like, oh, no, no. You missed this one. Yeah. The drop test. The drop test, you know, things not surviving the drop test.

That's a good one. Right. How aggressive are you with your equipment? What are you doing? Dropping that from a forklift. Let us know what we missed. And then also let us know what you disagree with. Yeah.

And why. And start that statement. How do they start? When they disagree, it's, uh, my incorrect opinion is, yes, here's how you do it. If you have something you disagree with, my incorrect opinion is whatever you disagree with, fill in there, that's fine. And then how do you end, there's an ending with, but whatever I don't know anything. Yeah, but whatever I don't know anything. So you're welcome to, right, whatever you want. You want as long as you bracket with those things, because then I read it and I'm like, okay, that's

fine, I'm not offended because you're stating that you're incorrect and that you don't know anything. If you don't follow that, Tanner will get extremely mad and delete your comment instantly. So that's the key to your comment surviving. Yeah. And say what was that one more time? My incorrect opinion is, state whatever you want, anything you want, and then end it with, but whatever, I don't know anything.

You can put anything between those brackets then that you want to. Preferably you keep it to the task at hand here. You don't need to spread this to bigger problems, but preferably we're talking about your incorrect opinion with home gym complaints. Yes. So let us know in the comment section with those qualifiers.

Okay. We are headed for a trip. Just a couple days. By the time this comes out, we're on the world. That's how fast we move on this thing. By the time this comes out, we're already back. but we as we record this like two nights from now or two and a half days from now we'll be uh across actually let me so when this comes out all cats will be out of the bag of where we're

going right uh just want to make sure i don't sit don't put any cats out of the bag because this will come out on sunday afternoon yeah and we arrive on friday so right right so we're not we're not because we do have one secret we've never done this before we have a secret home gym stop yeah that uh the home gym owner himself does not know we're going to that he's going to get pumped pretty hard yeah we've been able to keep completely under wraps through the help of his wife and uh we so we're pretty excited about that i mean i guess we've already been there then by the time this comes out it's okay to say yeah but do we want to yeah we'll probably be instagram posts about I never thought about this.

Yeah, there'll be Instagram post probably. Yeah. I mean, we could just spill the beans on it, I think, right? Okay, so, yeah, so we could just lay out the rough trip quickly then. Yeah, the full trip. We're going to leave Crew Falls, South Dakota, Friday morning very early before dawn, fly through Chicago, very short layover, and then land in Buffalo, New York, Friday just before noon. We're then headed to the Cessney's house to tour their home gym in Buffalo area.

We from there are headed a couple hours down the road to the east to Rochester, beautiful Rochester, New York. We're to completely surprise Big Keith at the no wine cellar. He does not know we're coming. His wife is in on it. We've scheduled it with her. And we are going to walk up to his house and he does. not, has no idea we're coming.

We've kept secret the Cessneys and Rochester, this New York part of the trip. Because we're at most of the stuff is not really, it's like a four or five hour drive from there. But in order to, there's all part of the master plan that wouldn't really suspect that we're coming up there because the rest of the tours are like five hours away.

Yeah. So, unfortunately, because of the nature of having to do that, there's a whole bunch of other places like allowing to Rochester and stuff that we would like to do home. gym tours, but there just literally is not time. I just got to keep it moving. Yeah, not in this one, not in this, not in this trip at least.

So then we'll, we're being Rochester Friday afternoon and then we do have a long drive that night to get to. I've heard New York's a very large state. We've got to drive across that damn thing. It's actually true. We have mini hour drive because our sat first, our Saturday morning tour is a big, Brian, Coppulman, and that's still in New York State. So we'll do his tour.

For anyone that doesn't know, Brian, what? We've talked about Brian before he. I get confused on what he's wrote and what he's produced, but Rounders, Writer of Rounders, Ocean 13, Billions, the TV show. Billions on Showtime. Look up his Wikipedia. You'll see that stuff.

He's written a lot, you could say. Yeah. Yeah. After Brian, our next stop is Evan Centipani. And if you don't know who Evan Centipani is, one, what are you doing with your life? And then two, look it up. And then, I mean, he's like, kind of was like the animal guy for a while. Yeah. Just iconic, iconic ads. Really cool dude. Not unlike everyone on this trip. It's just going to be, it's fun. A lot of cool dudes on this trip.

Yeah, a lot of cool dudes that we're going to get to hang out with. So Evans and Tapani, then after that, it'll be down the road to Gluck. This is still on Saturday, assuming somehow this actually all works. There's a lot of assumptions, but a lot of assumptions. That's what we got to work off of.

Yeah, we'll be at Gluck's to tour. Of course, everyone knows Gluck at this point. His supporting member, he's got a little bit of a YouTube gym channel himself, if you haven't noticed. He dabbles in the videos. Yeah. And then still on Saturday, we're going to have a nightcap at the one and only basement, Brandon, finally get inside that basement of his and check out everything inside of there. See if he'll let us out once we're in there.

If we play our cards right, we'll finish by 9 or 10 p.m. And right, what we just said there, that's only, we've only described two days of the trip so far. Yes. If we do that right, we'll finish by 9 or 10 p.m. and then drive about an hour and a half. So hopefully get checked into a hotel by midnight on Saturday night in Massachusetts. And then we'll wake up Sunday morning right away by 8 a.m. We'll be at Boston Jose's garage gym, followed by friendly neighborhood lifter. is Massachusetts home gym

and then we've got a one and a half hour drive west back to Connecticut to do Waffle Iron Gym is our final that is Sunday afternoon we get that done

fly out of Connecticut by like 7 p.m. Sunday, get home or get to Sioux Falls by 11 p.m. Tommy should be sleeping by midnight. I should get home to Aberdeen by 2.30 a.m. and be asleep by 3 a.m. Get up at 6 and do it all over again. If that all goes according to plan, then I will get up at 6 a.m. to go to work. And that's, that's us about 9-ish videos when it's all said and no. That should be, it should be nine gym tours and possibly a couple other videos if we can make it work.

Yeah, in all filmed in about 60 hours, so it'll all take place. Yes. It only sounds insane if you say it out loud. Yeah, somewhere in there we got to eat and sleep and try to remember to go to the bathroom. through them too at times yes uh so that's the trip i'm excited for it it's going to be fun i'm always just a knock on wood that flights go like they're supposed to i think if flights go like they're supposed to that's basically nothing can hold us back actually even there flights don't even have flights only have to go like they're supposed to on the way there like on the way back it's it's

annoying but whatever we're already gone it's just get us there we'll take care of the rest get us there close to on time and we can take care of the rest exactly so hopefully if we're actually think there's a couple other crew that are going to be in the area that maybe we get to even run into on this trip so it should be a whole bunch of almost everyone I mentioned almost everyone that we're going to is crew and so there again the way you get people are always like oh come to my home gym come to my home gym a yes we want to of course be the best ways we can find it is if you're a certified training facility and supporting member both of those things help because then we don't miss it and see even you might even be on the east coast but maybe you weren't in like this little part of it in the we just oh we kind of have like this never-ending list now oh we had we had a list of like 10 more people where it was just like oh we go to this one but by going to this one it takes us off the road and then we're going to miss three over here and it's just a balancing act of just it's like just creating a path you become

I mean, I talked about it in our last one. We become just like this weird job of being an event timeline coordinator of like this travel. And then you're also just working with like nine people schedules and this guy can only go in the morning. This guy can only go at night and it's just it kind of organically works the way it does. And I mean, yeah, like there's absolutely way more untapped gyms out in the area. Like we said, they'll probably be in New York City. trip someday. Like, you know,

something New York, silly and even Philly, like something down towards that region. Yep. But for now, like this is just, this is what's on the list. This trip,

right. But I'm excited. Yeah, it's going to be fun. I mean, it's going to be insanely, it's going to be, it's complete insanity,

but it's also going to be a lot of fun too. So, uh, YouTube this week's video, was this week's video just your gym tour already? Or like, is that? Oh,

yeah, actually. That's the most recent, It seems like forever ago already for something. I agree. So if you haven't watched that yet, make sure to check out Tommy's Compact Home Gym to our minimalist, whatever adjectives we used to describe Tommy's Garage Gym.

And then the video that's come out by the time that this comes out is the in-depth rep by Pepin' Reppin' Dumbbell Review along with the Black Widow Rep and Cart review all tied into one video. Too heavy, too much noise. Strength curve is all off. The plates weren't neural. The plates were not neural. The resistance curve left a little.

Did you mention how noisy they are? And they're noisy. Yeah. Still can't get the ringing out of my ear. The dumbbells themselves did not have one inch holes on them for attachments. Yeah. And then they did not include any aluminum pulleys with them either. So that was disappointing.

But besides that, they're all good. Definitely too heavy though. Yeah. It's really hard to move them. I'd like to see the dumbbells be lighter. Yeah. Make them out of aluminum. Yeah.

So something to look for in version two when they redo them. Yes. Okay. Make sure to head over. You want to know something that's not too heavy, not too loud. Doesn't even need pulleys. Neurling on it wouldn't even make sense. Please tell me.

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the drink spotter chill, it's a magnetic coozy in leatherish material, black with gold imprint this time. We order a shitload of those, so we still got some of those left, of course. The horse stall mat scented ammonia. We have sold a lot of that. There's about 25% of the inventory left. I was just looking at it over here. That will not last very long. That continues to sell very quickly.

And I think when some people get this and try it for the first time, they're going to reorder. And it is going to sell out pretty soon. So if you have any desire to get in on a piece of history, I don't think this will be something that we reorder. It's not really a feasible reorder for us at this point. So with the collaboration, there's a lot that goes into that. So if you want the horse stall sent a pneumonia and you're listening to this,

you hop on the website and there's some left. I would buy that now because I do think that that's going to be gone really soon the way that that's been going. And then we had the lifting department tea in Sage Green and the Silly Goose Barbell Club in Peach. Both of those have sold well, but sizing's pretty good. We might be out of a couple sizes on them,

but overall, like the heart of the size chart is still available in both of them. And I do really like both of those shirts. Those are great shirts. Both good. We just keep coming out with stuff. shirts that I just really enjoy wearing myself. God, these guys are good.

How do they do it? What will they think of next? Oh, just you stay tuned. And I'm doing some brainstorming sessions. I'll tell you this. What we do not have a lack of is ideas. I think we've said it on the air before here. And I'm not exaggerating when I go into our merchandise ideas.

I just want to know if it actually tells me a number. I mean, no, it doesn't give me an actual number. There might be 200 ideas in here, maybe. We probably came up with seven new ones today. And then I'm like, all of them are good ideas. I don't. Like, it's just a matter of when and where they all fit into the puzzle. And then also can they be manufactured for a reasonable price?

That's also the ultimate thing. That ends up, like, we had something just today where it's like, oh, I love this piece of apparel. It'd be great. I think a lot of other people will love it. It's going to sell out fast. And then it's like, God, you just cannot get this out of price that it really makes any sense. We either have to charge so much for it that I'd be ashamed of what we have to list it for.

Or we have to sell it for so little that I'm like, we're not really interested in doing the work for free. Yeah. So, yeah, that is the balancing act that with that happens with all this. Like there's no shortage of ideas. It's what can you make? What can you make feasibly? What can you make that people can actually afford? at, you know,

at the right price point. Order quantities that make sense. Yeah. And then, yeah, so then order quantities of it. There's a lot of, once you get outside of just T-shirts, you know,

it's, right. Because we're mostly talking not T-shirt ideas. Yeah, we got the T-shirt thing. I mean, that's, right.

There's not many variables there. That one's pretty easy to figure out. Oh, we got wild ideas for other products. Yeah. Like, some of which I just think are great. It's just a matter of figuring out how to do it and,

um, or we have, like, funny, good designs and we're like, what would be the best, medium to convey this right should it be a t-shirt should it be a banner

should it be a sticker right what should this actually appear on like that's also a conversation that comes up frequently the future's bright come along for the ride with us won't you the future is very bright uh do we land this land this hog i think so Tommy where do they find you at

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