Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 497: Strongman Event Tier List

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

We ranked over 20 strongman events into the end-all tier list! You won’t believe where we placed iconic events like atlas stones, the deadlift, squat, and the duck walk. EliteFTS Use code MASS10 t...o save 10% on most orders! Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings of how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think. If you don't follow Massanomics, you all do it.
Starting point is 00:00:18 Social media, website, everything. Massonomics! Welcome back, everyone, episode 497 of the Massonomics podcast, the lifting podcast, about nothing. My name is Tanner, and I'm in the dean. My name is Tommy, and I have wolfer hair. Perfect. Episode 497, Tommy. That's a real one-two punch of hosts right there.
Starting point is 00:00:57 And if it's your first time listening to the show, you're like, I'm already lost. Wouldn't even begin to know how to explain any of that, actually. No one would. You stick around for a while. You'll start to understand half of what we're saying. Episode 497, though, Tommy, do you know what that means? Three away from 500.
Starting point is 00:01:20 That's right. Three away from 500. It's like you're bowling. You're on that 10th frame. And we're so close to the perfect game. Are we going to quit the 4-500? God, I hope not. We're going to have a 7-10 split on the, what is it, the third?
Starting point is 00:01:40 Yeah, that final. What do you call that, like the third of the 10th frame? That's funny, you know, I was a bowler. I actually can't think of what the technical term for that. I don't know if it's just the final frame or what do you actually call that. I don't know what you actually call that. I just felt the last ball. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:58 I don't know. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I'm not that much of a bowler. I've done a little bit of bowling. I'm not a good bowler. It's a real finesse sport. You know what you can't wear when you're bowling? What's that? Barefoot shoes. Because there's really weird shoes rules at bowling.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Barefoot would not make the cut. There's really, really, they're really weird about the shoes at bowling alleys. It's like the, just like the wood. Because God knows you can't put normal shoes on wood flooring. I'm telling you. Never done that before. I'm telling you, man, when you hit a wet spot, when you get used to that shoe sliding, you hit a wet spot, it's like blow out your knee territory, man.
Starting point is 00:02:41 What's the wet, like a wet spot from what? Oh, like, let's say someone like. Oh, like wearing dirty shoes. Yeah. Or like they walked out with a beer and somehow spilled a little. Right. Or just like dirt, man. It's like you're going full speed into a slide and your leg just plants.
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Starting point is 00:06:13 dropping kids off at school this week and the spin jockey you know what he said was you know what he said on it he said the dean he actually said the dean 100 and i'm like oh if i was prepared i would have loved to have recorded this but that is the nature of radio i guess he did say it's just gone forever and it wasn't like dirty he said the dean okay and i'm like this guy must listen to massonomics yeah we're putting it out there in the world it's catching on the dean is catching wild wildfire it wasn't rusty it was the other guy i'm the other guy the other younger guy that's on all of the radio stations locally. I can't remember his name.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Yeah, it's never a big. Still not a big radio guy, so I. Yeah, Tewks. Yeah, we got off of something. Yes, it's Tukes. It was Tukes said the Dean. Yes, it is. Shout out Tukes, if you're listening.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Keep the Dean talk up. Brune that doesn't know, the dean is what us locals call Aberdeen. Tommy doesn't know because he hasn't been here for a while, so he's not up on like the hip cultural things up here. I'm not hip with the times. All the slang going on up there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yes. Okay, this week we are going to, we're bringing back a tier list episode. We've had a lot of fun with some of our tier lists. So we're coming back to that. Tommy, do you have the special tier list thing set up? Oh,
Starting point is 00:07:47 good call. Yes. Yes. Let me spool that up here. Is it called the special tier list thing that we do the special tier list thing? That's the special tier list thing. That's, that's all you need. needed to say I knew exactly what you meant I just had to think for a while yeah yes let me let me
Starting point is 00:08:00 track that down so what what a tier list is is we for you know that doesn't know where have you been living if you haven't been on the internet next you're going to tell me you don't know aberdeen it's called the dean yeah and there's this thing called AI that's got the world going crazy that's a bigger conversation uh the tier list we're going to rank uh this this week we're to rank strong man events and we're going to put them in a tier list and we usually do i think we do a bc or what i mean no whoa whoa whoa whoa sorry s s a bc and f and f okay skip d e's always skipped for whatever reason and there we come to our list and we've got about 20 some we're going to go through but we didn't talk about this so we'll hash it out right now
Starting point is 00:08:51 are we doing this as ranking them as the viewer of the event as the computer of the event or as the organizer of the event or is it cut or I think it's all of it I think you take all that into consideration because some of these that's I was like that was already part of my
Starting point is 00:09:11 discussion is some of these it's like well as an athlete this one pretty balling as a spectator this one's not that exciting you know like it's right And I think we factor all of that and that'll help find. We're going to feed it into our ranking algorithm. We can also factor in the history. The beauty of it being the massonomics tier list,
Starting point is 00:09:29 we get to do whatever the hell is. We know when it comes to the history will be weighted heavily on that topic. So events that have only been around for a decade or so are going to be in a really tough spot here. And luckily, just like all the other tier lists that we've done, this is like the perfect, will be like the perfect comprehensive tier list.
Starting point is 00:09:51 on the subject and uh no other input will be necessary but you can drop a comment down in youtube as you're listening if you disagree with anything but just remember to preface it with uh what is it what does someone preface that with in my incorrect opinion yes then you can then you can say whatever you're stupid opinion yeah okay do you have to send me something to um yeah i do are we are we doing this right away are we getting right to we don't have to do it right away now now the people know at least we got that out of the way so the next thing we'll do on that is probably actually talk about it do you have a drink over there anything you're drinking this week yes um sorry i'm i'm trying to get this ready and there's just so many buttons i got a little
Starting point is 00:10:33 something and i don't know if anyone knows but i was born a bit of a rambling man myself so i'm having a rambler satsuma in this v2 drink spot or chill did you see the Basement Brandon DrinkSpot or Chill ad this week. I did. That was really good. Yeah. He really took the time on that one.
Starting point is 00:10:58 So we do are all fully restocked on our drink spot or chill. If you don't have one of these yet, you're kind of missing out there. They're very affordable and they're really cool. Oh, yeah. Kirkland grapefruit. Kirkland grapefruit. Never disappoints. It's no satsuma, but it'll probably do.
Starting point is 00:11:17 You got to work with what you got. It's no satsuma. but then again what is that's a very good point very good point okay out there was something let me get our handy dandy i sent you the email for that link are you seeing that i'm in it now i can see your hand moving in there too oh i'm gonna move some things around i wonder if it'll let you might i don't know okay um oh the first the crew mailer has been out tanner you've put those all in the mail haven't you? Yeah, well, except for, I've got a stack of Canadian ones right over here that are not out because Canadian Post is not delivering mail, so I'm holding those for the
Starting point is 00:11:59 time being. But outside of those, they've all gone out over 700 out in the mail. And the first ones as of today, as of us recording, have been delivered. But as far as I've seen, no one has publicly spoiled. I know. Okay, that's not public information. That's what I got a few texts from some friends that were like, oh, this is really sweet. I like this. And, but I hadn't seen anything online yet. So I don't know if I had missed anything or if it was just the locals getting theirs first. I think, uh, everyone that I've seen is like is an Aberdeen address that has there so far. Okay. Have you seen anyone that's not an adorn? Oh, no. The only mentions I've seen of it are Aberdeen mentions. Yeah. Yeah. So that tells me like tomorrow a bunch
Starting point is 00:12:42 would be showing up, right? I would think so. For other people? within the next day or two most people I mean by the time this podcast is out I would think most people would have it yes yeah that's true by the time this is out most people will have it but we're still not going to spoil it we got live listeners right now I think it's I think it's awesome I think it's
Starting point is 00:13:00 a home run choice and it's going to be fun to see people sharing what they got the initial feedback I got was exactly what we're hoping for so I think that hopefully that continues across the across the internets yes yes I agree I'm excited for it And if you didn't get signed up in time for this one,
Starting point is 00:13:19 I would just tell you, go out there and get signed up for a supporting membership now. We'd love to have you join. There's even an extra nice level. We've had people signing up at our nice level. Oh, we'll talk about it more later, I guess. But what I would throw out there, a few people have asked me lately if they want to change their supporting membership level. Like if they want to go from the $3 to the $6 level, we're certainly not discouraging you from doing that if you want to. but it comes up almost weekly.
Starting point is 00:13:48 All you got to do is sign up for the new one and then cancel your old one after you're signed up for the new one. And then you don't lose your spot in line. I keep you in your original ordering. Or you could be like Big C. Poppy and just keep both. Right. We won't judge. Even better.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Yeah. Even both. I don't know. I mean, we have several other topics this week, too. I don't know what we will or won't get to. We might have to save some. that, I guess. I'm kind of curious.
Starting point is 00:14:17 The tier list can take a lot of an episode. I can. I do, I kind of want an update, though, on this little restoration project you did, though. That got my attention. Okay. Should we talk about that before the tier list?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah, then we'll hop into the tier list, I think. Okay. So it was, I mean, did you watch the video? I watched the video. I was captivated.
Starting point is 00:14:36 I was going to say, what did you think of the video? It was like almost a two minute long restoration video. That was two minutes. It felt like 10 seconds to me. It was so it had me hooked. It was great. I think the video.
Starting point is 00:14:45 came out pretty good I liked the way that that did it and that's at least 40% of the reason I did that project was to make the video so so I it was that old body power 45 degree back raise that's been at the gym I have no idea where I bought that for okay because I was going to be my first question where and when did that actually show up I cannot remember did we had to have been so was there what had to have been a bigger or is that the only one That's the only one we've had. I'm guessing it was when I bought other stuff from somebody. Oh, it just kind of came in.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Yeah, yeah. I really don't know. Like, you can't remember. You wouldn't have gone out of your way to get just that one single item probably, though, right? I mean, I did always want one, so maybe I did, or maybe it was just a local thing. Right. Big Nate Verde says, I found it outside of a high school weight room. Is that correct?
Starting point is 00:15:42 I mean, is that the back catalog thing or something? I mean, I wouldn't say that's wrong. Right, right. I don't, I mean, that seems like a believable, uh, believable, uh, believable story. Keith asked it was it in the corner of the gym when I bought the house. No, it wasn't an easy curl bar. This is a 45 degree back race.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But it was, uh, pretty beat up, you know, I mean, as far as those go. I mean, the frame and everything, like, it wasn't like structurally damaged. It was just, no. Paint was all chipped off it. Yeah. The pad was like purple. Yeah, purple. And it didn't.
Starting point is 00:16:15 look it visually it looked a little rough yeah no it didn't it looked it looked like a piece of shit basically you know like you actually what you do is you be like oh this thing works surprisingly well for how shitty it looks that's what you actually my last time i was at the gym i'm like wow this does everything you need it to in a great footprint and boy does it look terrible yes yes that's exactly right so what started the restoration whole idea is talking with Evan Centipani. Actually, you brought this up a while ago. I think you saw it from Evan Centipani about his initial home gym tour video he made like earlier this year, I think.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Yes, and it was his vinyl, he vinyl spray painted the pads on the machines in his basement, which you had brought that up and we had talked about it offline before, even like you were thinking about doing that in your home gym. And it's just like, ah, does that actually work? well, given enough time, we actually went to Evancent Ponte's home gym, and we saw it in person. We planned a whole trip. We had to see this in person. We flew halfway across the country to inspect this. And didn't he say he painted those like six years ago?
Starting point is 00:17:26 That was actually what was the shocking part is so he had all these pads painted black on, you know, his hack squat and leg curl, things like, or leg extension. And he goes, yeah, I painted all of these like six years ago. I was like, damn, that's still holding up that. Like the only one that was even slightly. worn or actually I think on his hack squad he just didn't paint it all the way wasn't did he miss a spot I think he he he said maybe I didn't really get it all that clean before I painted and it just rubbed off in that one spot a little bit but I'm like you could touch that up in 30 in 10 seconds yes easily you know if you wanted to so yeah our takeaway was oh this all looks great
Starting point is 00:18:01 and then when you hear that it's been on there for years and it felt good because I was like is this going to make it weird yeah yeah okay so then you went home you took the initiative you ordered vinyl black vinyl spray paint. Yep, ordered some black vinyl spray paint and then I went and got the 45 degree backrays and then I was like, well, why don't I just make this whole thing look not shitty? Because it's not, it's a pretty basic piece of equipment. So then I just, I, you know, sanded all the metal surfaces, uh, cleaned up some of the rusty stuff, got rid of that. Um, just kind of to shine up the diamond plating a little bit, like the most basic level of that. And then I just rattle canned the whole thing I got flat.
Starting point is 00:18:45 And you wiped it all down with alcohol, right? Yeah, yeah. And that's also how I cleaned the vinyl pad first. I did a really good job of that. And I was making sure, like, not to actually even touch the pad with my fingers. Right. Before spraying it. Yeah, after the alcohol.
Starting point is 00:19:01 And sprayed it. And it was like an afternoon project, like came back, let it dry. looked at the pad, I'm like, ah, I better give this a second coat, gave it a second coat, gave the machine kind of a second coat, and then... And you did the machine black? Yeah. And I used flat black, because I was looking at, like, all the rogue and other stuff, it's not, none of it's semi-gloss or gloss or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:19:23 It's all kind of a flat black, actually. Put it back together, brought it to the gym. Looks freaking sweet. It does. It came out way better than what I was expecting it. The pad looks awesome. Pad looks awesome. I mean, the frame looks awesome, too.
Starting point is 00:19:38 It makes the diamond plate look really good on there now. You know, you hardly even notice the diamond plate before. And now the diamond plate shines and it contrasts against the black really well. He said my only concern would be changing color to black is when it gets chipped in a commercial setting. The white underneath will stick out like a sore thumb. It looked like complete shit before. I mean, it was chip. I mean, it was just a gray frame showing through.
Starting point is 00:20:01 It wasn't white paint anymore. You know, all the. Right, right. I mean, like, it'll get wear and tear, no doubt, in a commercial setting. Like, I'm not going to be upset when I go in and there's a scratch on that. Yeah. It'll still, for the next 10 years, it'll look better than it looked in its prior state. So has anyone made any comments on it?
Starting point is 00:20:21 Has anyone been surprised or? Not really. Probably nobody noticed. No one respects the game. No, a couple people did say, like, this actually looks like a couple of the gym members message me and goes and said, That looks frickin' sweet. It is odd because nobody really cared. It was no problem before,
Starting point is 00:20:43 but now after doing it, it looks really nice. I am considering this would be a much bigger project, but kind of redoing the hack squat machine. Oh, that one? And actually taking that apart. And I might even, would maybe even replace the bearings. I was going to say, like that one, just a few, if it got, I mean, even if you kept it white and didn't want to do the whole thing,
Starting point is 00:21:01 if you touched it up and fixed those bearings. and then is the platform kind of like carpet-ish? Yes, and I could replace the carpet. I actually thought, like, I could actually put like a Masonomics logo, you know, like sewn into a piece of carpet and put on there, something like that. The carpet actually, it looks stupid. No, the carpet is nice actually on there, though.
Starting point is 00:21:21 That's like, that's like the best, like that I'm like, because I could easily get a diamond-plated piece of metal and put it there, which a lot of them, that's what they would have, and it looks cooler. Yeah. I'm like the carpet is actually a I wouldn't have known that I wouldn't have having it but I'm like the carpet
Starting point is 00:21:38 is the go to it is until until you use it it looks like well someone just threw that on there on accident or to something was broken and then use it like actually it's pretty nice it's it's good traction you know it just it does what it does it's not loud it's but it's kind of gray carpet
Starting point is 00:21:55 you know I could put a black carpet over the top of it or that's the one piece though that a little bit of work could really transform that thing Yeah. Yeah. That's just a bigger project. It is. I'm not going to bring that back in an afternoon have it done. But I might. I mean, I probably will at some point because the reason I would invest the time into that one, because I'm like really like the machine and the angle and everything else about it, if it just gave it a little TLC in it.
Starting point is 00:22:20 And it worked a little better because there is kind of a little bit of a catch. You know, I think it just needs maybe some new bear. I'm not an expert on that, but it'd be pretty simple fix, I think. Yeah. I think that'd be, I think that if you ever decided. paint the pads because they're like maroon on it now actually i do think i'm just going to paint all the pads on all the machines black yeah well when it's that quick of a project that's why i'm curious to do it on mine now and see what it's like except i don't know the two machines i don't know if i'm going to do are the two sybex machines i have the um sybex row seeded row and the cybex hammer strength one or yeah why i'm saying sybex uh hammer strength row and the hammer strength
Starting point is 00:23:00 calf rays just because those are nice yeah like they're i'd be a little more hesitant on those ones especially the chest one especially because the the pad is already yeah the pad screwed up anyways yeah so you'd be at that point yeah i don't think i would mess it on those either but on my lat pull down and on the two old leg cape weight stack machines i think i might do all those yeah yep because the vinyl paint came out so good i'm like this is my test front. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is freaking sweet. Yeah, do it up. Yeah. So that is the 45 degree back raise restoration. And man, the video, that's where
Starting point is 00:23:42 the, that's where. Yeah, so go watch the video. It's on Instagram. It's just a short video on Instagram. That's where you can see the whole process broken down step by step. It is funny like that 90 second video. I probably had 40 minutes of recording time into it. And then voicing over takes another 15 at least by the time I don to get it all. I'm like, there's so much time that goes into one silly little video. Just to get a few hundred likes. Yep, yep, yep. But the vinyl, the vinyl spray paint.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Everyone says, oh, I bet that doesn't work or I don't see how that works. It works. We got the last laugh on that one. Yep. Yep. Okay, now do we jump into the I think it's time A little bit
Starting point is 00:24:31 Unless it's too close And we need to just get the other things out of the way Let's do a couple tier lists Okay, okay Get this thing started Yeah All righty Do you need to play some music in on us here
Starting point is 00:24:47 Get us come home Thought you'd never ask Oh yeah Okay When we hear this disturbed, that means we know that it's time to get to a tier list, a massonomics tier list, the definitive list of all lists. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:09 So we kind of decided we can use whatever criteria we want to rank these strong man events. We don't have to stick to everything. You know, we don't, you may think of something that's not on the list that we want to add. Also, we may decide something on here we don't even want to, we don't even want to, we don't Right. And some of these, I can already see the event name can be interpreted to mean several different things or versions of that. So there's a lot of room for debate on all these.
Starting point is 00:25:38 So strap on in people. This could take hours. We're also not going to do like 15 versions of the deadlift. Because there is, I understand that there is. We will specifically do Hummer Tire Deadlift, Silver Dollar Deadlift. Competition standard deadlift Just some of the deadlifts Because that's one where I'm like
Starting point is 00:26:00 And actually we get halfway down And realize it's just a deadlift tier list is all it is Yes Okay Do you want to pick one off the start? You start this off All right I'm going to start with one
Starting point is 00:26:14 That I feel like I know where it goes In my mind So that's why I'm going to start there Because I think it's easy pickings I'm going to say the Atlas Stones Atlas Stone series Most specifically if we're picking one But you could just say Atlas Stones
Starting point is 00:26:29 Yep And to me That is an S tier Because of You like this The history Of it as an event In World Strongest Man
Starting point is 00:26:41 Just the way That Atlas Stone event looks To me It just I don't know I can't make a case for it to go anywhere Other than the S tier Honestly for Atlas Stones
Starting point is 00:26:53 Like, when it comes to Strongman events, I don't, you might not like doing it, but I don't see how it's not a nest here. Yeah, I agree. To me, this is one of the most iconic Strongman events. If you're up watching Strongman, you know that World Strongest Man pretty much always had one of these in it. And it was the guys lifting these big, heavy rocks onto these platforms. Like, I think most people that might not even know what Strongman is still probably have
Starting point is 00:27:18 an idea of what this event is. And for those reasons alone, I mean, just actually, not of those. Just part of those reasons make it an easiest tier to me. Yeah. That's like the easiest one to do on the entire list. Yeah. I was hoping you wouldn't go there right away. So like some of the, a lot of these are not near that easy. So I just want to do a really easy one off of the bat. I don't actually know. I don't, I don't think anything is as easy as of a choice as that one, really, honestly. Okay. I'm just looking through this list. All right. I'm also going to say this.
Starting point is 00:27:53 you're coming at this with a slightly different perspective than me because how many Strongman shows have you participated in over the years? I know it's been a while since you did your last one. Actually, it's only been a year technically since you did your last one. That's true. So I did that one. Three others of ours. That's four.
Starting point is 00:28:10 And then at least four more. It's eight. And then two more. I think I've done 10, 10 or 11 Strongman shows. I've done Atlas Stones at least three times as an event. in those and many more in training right right atlestone's are just fun as hell so like there's it's picking up at a rock like what's a yeah artificial rock but same idea yeah so that's that's where i'll have a slight different opinion because i haven't done a lot of these events um the only strongman
Starting point is 00:28:42 competition i've ever done is the uh one year we had ours and no atlas you did atlestone i did atlestone's in it i got 330 or was that the big one 330 or 300 i can't remember what i got that day yeah you got the 300 300 there was a 330 though not many of me you got the 300 actually in the yeah never got it once in training and i for sure got it once did i get it twice that day i don't know for sure got it once though so that was yep yep that was exciting to hit a PR in the competition like that but um okay with all that being said looking at this list here i'm gonna pick one that I have done before, but I've done it in a slightly different context.
Starting point is 00:29:25 I'm going to pick the Hercules hold as a little event because technically, Tanner, we have, actually you, no, you did do this one, right? At Juggies? Yep, I did this one, not Juggies also. We did do this in a competition. So technically we have done this in a competition.
Starting point is 00:29:43 I think, see, the Hercules hold, I'm kind of torn on this one because very hard to train, I feel like, you know, the actual event itself. Like the very specific event. The actual setup, yeah, and also the actual setup can vary wildly from training to whatever you're giving out the competition. But it does, it looks really cool.
Starting point is 00:30:07 You know, the theatrics of it are really cool, but it's also not the most exciting event because nothing happens during it. There's some duality of that in the sense that it, there's something about it that does, look cool, but the actual viewing of that event kind of sucks, I feel like you're just like you're literally just watching people stand in place, not moving at all. Yeah. So that's, that's where that one gets kind of tricky. It's definitely not an S tier. I'm almost wondering if this is more of kind of like a Bish tier, maybe even a C tier. I think it's C, honestly, just because I think it's fun. I like doing it.
Starting point is 00:30:49 But I think it's C because of how lame it is to watch in my opinion. Yeah, I could see that. It actually has a place in Strongman competitions because not every event can be just all out. Right. So it has a place. So I actually, that would give it bonus points. But I'm not going to give in the list give those events points for that reason. Like those events still are worse.
Starting point is 00:31:16 But there's a reason for them. And it's not an F-tier event. It is cool. No. Like, it's still, but yeah, I'm totally on board with C. I think that makes sense. Okay. Oh, man, some of these are going to be really hard to rank.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I guess I didn't really think that far ahead when we thought this was a good idea. This is going to be a challenge. Let's go. Maybe we'll do some reordering on some of these as we go to. Oh, you crossed off the wrong one on. Oh. Yeah, I got it. I got it.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Oh, yeah, okay. Trying to throw us for a loop there. Okay. Let's do. Okay. Here we go. Front hold. This front hold is like,
Starting point is 00:32:07 you can see it in the old school ones where they're holding different things out in the front of their body. What are, like, in old school strong men, it's some of the dumbest things that they held, like one of them's, a link row of sausages almost that I think they're holding and all this yeah the garrie said it the caz the sausage hold um terrible event to watch that's like an f
Starting point is 00:32:32 front hold is like an f tier event like i'm not saying i would dislike doing one because they're good it's almost like a break in you're in in the order of events but to me that's like an f tier event just because it's it's so on exciting yeah it's kind of anticlimactic it's worse than Culees hold. Right, because it lacks some of those theatrics. Like, best case scenario now you see them holding this giant looking hammer. But even there, you're like, I don't know, what's this hammer way? 10 pounds, 50 pounds, 100 pounds.
Starting point is 00:32:59 I don't even, it's just a big block. There's also something about like the rules of the event that are always a little weird to me that I'm like, oh, it looks like that guy's leaning back. And I know you put your back again and they try to do things. But sometimes I swear, I'm like, that guy's doing it a little bit differently. And I think it's favoring him. It's like, uh, it's like speedwalk. in the Olympics, you know, it's like,
Starting point is 00:33:20 I feel like everyone's kind of skirting the rules. And also, like, you could just be better at this if you just did it however you wanted to, but that's not the rules. Right. That's sort of what it feels like. It's like the speedwalking of Strongman events. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:33 So I think that that's like an F. I think that's F. I'm on board with you there. I agree. Okay. Oh, boy. Okay. I'm going to pick the old classic,
Starting point is 00:33:47 and I'm assuming that this covers pretty much every variation you can think of, but that would be the Farmers Carry. Yeah. So you can use several different looking implements for the Farmers Carry, of course. And, you know, you could have a set of distance that you're doing as a race. You could do max distance Farmers Carries. There could be turns. You could allow repicks.
Starting point is 00:34:13 You could not. You know, there's a few different ways that Farmers Carry can go. almost be a medley of sorts even. Yeah, I think it's an important Strongman event. Like, it's kind of a cornerstone event in a lot of ways, although it seems like sometimes I see it a little less often, but it's also an event that can very easily be done at local competitions because the equipment is not all that extensive.
Starting point is 00:34:37 We did it, like, almost every year of the... Because it's just easy to, you know, the implements can be almost anything. You know, like the standardization really doesn't matter there. at all. When we put it on one, a couple times we did it as the longest distance. Sometimes we did it as just a race or as like a part of another, another event.
Starting point is 00:34:58 You can get different ones that look a little bit cooler. I think it's somewhat of an interesting event to watch. Oh, yeah, it is because. Coolest one, absolutely. But when I think of our event,
Starting point is 00:35:11 you know, watching it the way it took place is, especially what's cool about this is it's a good head-to-head one because it is just a race. you know or it can be just a race and that always makes a high entertainment factor when you can see guys just the way
Starting point is 00:35:25 they can go about it so to me and then it I mean it is a great training exercise too you know like it's a great it's an awesome display of strength you know it's really hard to to be weak and be good at farmers carry so it's a grip it's a back it's a
Starting point is 00:35:41 I mean yeah then there's endurance I mean depending on how the events that goes there's endurance factors to it or We're just moving. Crazy strength. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm leaning towards kind of like B or A on this one.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Yeah, I was thinking B, but now I actually think it's A. I think the Farmers Carry is pretty important to Strongman. I could be persuaded to move it down to B, but I'm like out of Aish territory. Yeah, I think A is okay. And we're also going to do this too when this is all done. We're going to see if anything's depending on how it shakes out if we've got to rearrange things. but I'm pretty good with A on that. I think that's a good one.
Starting point is 00:36:19 There's a lot of variety and just ways you can do it that it keeps it interesting. Yeah, let's go A. Yep. Okay. How about log press? One of the most iconic press variations of Strongman.
Starting point is 00:36:41 I would say visually one of the most interesting press. variations it might i just think it i mean axle is the other big contender and i think log press is more iconic than the axle oh for sure it looks way cooler you know whether you like them or not the log just looks awesome yep on log it looks awesome you use it see it all the time in competitions it tests you know it's one of the chief tests of upper body strength you know you also have to clean it. You can use giant wooden logs, which look just really cool. Like the Austrian Oak,
Starting point is 00:37:18 seeing that at the Arnold stage is one of the coolest events to watch live. It might be an S-tier event to me. I think the log press is an S-tier event. Especially if we're going to start looking at, like you said, the upper body test. It's a great one to have on there. So I think it's the best
Starting point is 00:37:36 one out of the upper body ones that we're going to cover, honestly. We've both I've done log press and competition, lot of times probably like six i don't know comes up all the time maybe more than that it seems like it's like in almost every one i've ever done the solo competition i did we had it in there yep so s is that what we think and it's fun to train too yeah for sure all right get the list pulled up oh okay i think i'm going to go with one that has a little bit of a little bit of a throwback,
Starting point is 00:38:16 a little bit of a history to it. Not too much of a history, but a little bit. I'm going to go with the old Hummer Tire deadlift. Yeah. So we did say we're not going to do every deadlift variation, and maybe we'll change some of the ones we're doing here. But I think Hummer Tire is one because it had such a long run at the Arnold. It was like the deadlift for, you know, like a decade there.
Starting point is 00:38:41 and some of the most iconic strongman videos are like Z and those guys doing the Hummer Tire Dead Left Shaw. They brought it back at the Shaw Classic for a while too. Was the Arnold the first place they ever did it? Was that though? I think so. I don't know that for sure. Also they gave a Z one like three Hummers.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Oh, is that actually he would actually win one? I think you won three hummers in three different years. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Um, this one is really cool. It's got the show factor to it. You know, it's, it's, uh, no doubt it looks sweet to see this long bar with enormous tires, the whole thing bending. Um, you know, it's, it's definitely a, what would you say, like partial deadlift.
Starting point is 00:39:30 I mean, what do these guys start at their knees roughly on it? Yeah. Somewhere in there, depending on how tall you are. Um, it looks, it looks cool. I, I don't know. It's probably a hard one for, maybe it's probably movement 95% of people
Starting point is 00:39:45 will never get to do when it comes to a strong man, right? Yeah, and I guess the dumber down version of this is the wagon wheel deadlift. But it's not the same. At the Lyft Hardly of Easy Classic two years ago, we did the Viking Shield elevated deadlift. But really for the sake of this list, it's the Hummer Tire deadlift, I think, because it just, it's just cooler looking.
Starting point is 00:40:15 So what did you think on this one? Well, okay, it is strong, man. Deadlift is a very important part of it. I'm leaning towards like A or B. I'm just trying to decide the novelty of the Hummer Tire. Is that, does that elevate it or bring it down one? Right. That's actually the question there.
Starting point is 00:40:32 That is the debate because it's like, I don't think you could ever say a deadlift event of any kind is a C-tier deadlift event unless it's something really dumb. but um i think it might be what do we have an a right now we have the uh i think it's a i think it's a b almost to me think something b on that yeah okay okay i don't know why that's just where i feel like oh it's because there's nothing i'll roll with that for now i'm very in between on that one i'll roll with that for now we'll see where we end up okay uh let's should we do one more and then maybe jump into a couple other things quick Okay, I want to do something a little different.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Let's go. Duck walk. Duck walk. Duck walk, I think, sucks. There might be people out there that like to do it. I wouldn't like to do it. I don't think it's fun. I don't think it looks that good because you're almost like,
Starting point is 00:41:35 let's have you move, but do it in like the least, aesthetic way possible and just look really awkward and uncoordinated the whole time yeah so what do we have in the F tier so far as the front hold it might be F tier to me where I'm just like I don't know like there's nothing about that that looks all that fun or exciting to me yeah this is one that I yeah I don't see your F
Starting point is 00:41:59 this is one that the idea of like training it doesn't sound fun at all to me yeah it's definitely not the most exciting thing to watch personal it's pretty low on the excitement list i i could i could easily go f on this i think put it in f for now because i'm not sure how many of the in here that we're going that are actual fs and i think that that's a fair one to be in there for now too okay okay now should we shift into supporting our supporting members and certified training facility the week and take a pause on that and come back to it let's do it okay supporting our supporting members is a relatively new
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Starting point is 00:44:01 So stay tuned and become one so you can get in on the action. But this week, I want to shout out. there was a crew Bills game that went on and who was all there. There was Keith, Stephanie, Jen, Matt, Jess, and Big Chris Mark and Jen's husband were all there. So mostly all supporting members all went to a Buffalo Bills game together. Bill's Mafia, full effect, right? Yeah. We know a thing or two about the Bills Mafia now.
Starting point is 00:44:29 We are just there. Do you think any of them sprayed each other in ketchup or anything while they were there? I assume they jumped through the tables and stuff. Yeah, I like to think they did. Scantz competed in Kilt-Tober Highland Games competition. He won the pie-eating contest. Oh. Wow.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Big Katie got second at Wisconsin's strongest in the heavyweight woman category. That is the under-198. She got second place. Wow. Must have bulked up for that one. Yeah. I'm guessing she came in a little underweight. Big Dan Mercer, he was at Tucson Strength Fest.
Starting point is 00:45:12 He competed well. He got over 500 pound deadlift for the first time ever. Nice. In that competition. We had Big Zach joined a rugby team and scored his first try of the season. Oh, yeah, natural over there. Yeah. There was a couple other things that I saw just came
Starting point is 00:45:33 today what did we have here someone uh big kevin they just had their second child their first daughter earlier today so congrats to big kevin and the family we've been there we've been to kevin's house we've broken bread with him we had those look do you remember the little ham sandwiches how could i forget yeah those little ham sandwiches yeah big nile also hit a family are today as well so two crew kids born in the same day his second daughter was born this morning we're multiplying nothing can stop us big wally just turned 40 the big four oh for big wally it's all downhill from there over the hill and on the way back down and this week's guest an unpaid and underrated was big matt uh fit mat fat mat check him out give it a listen our little
Starting point is 00:46:32 braddy sister podcast the unpaid and underrated podcast thank you to all supporting members now should we do a certified training facility of the week Tommy we should I've just been clicking around and I don't know if maybe you have a preference but I found one interesting here if if you are open I like an interesting one okay we're going to head over to uh maybe a more eastern part of the Midwest a little area called Wisconsin Somewhere in Wisconsin. Just north of Milwaukee, there's a little pin on the map here. Is it the random lifter?
Starting point is 00:47:08 Random lifter. Okay. The random lifter in Wisconsin, I'm tracking. Now, this gym, I'm going to get right into this. This gym is just, the first image is just straight up, looks like a bedroom in a ranch-style home, full of machines. You see in this? yes yes how many pictures are we dealing with uh what do we got one two three just three pictures
Starting point is 00:47:37 okay just three pictures good to keep that in mind yes start going if there's 20 pictures are we gonna like we spend 20 minutes on the first picture yeah okay so the first uh i mean this kind this this is definitely in the house yeah i mean it kind of reminds me like it's got the same vibe of like the bedroom i grew up like my bedroom growing up you know it just looks like uh just kind you're pretty stereotypical Midwestern house, but it's got laminate floors of some kind. And they're just right off the bat. There is an assault bike, a hack squat,
Starting point is 00:48:10 a leg extension machine, a reverse hyper, and is there something else in the corner over there? There's something in the corner. But all four of those machines in this bedroom. And then, of course, you have the Massonomic certified training facility banner on the wall. You got an American flag, the Massonomic strong man flag too.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Great setup right off the bat. Really catches you off guard. Like, that's not what you're expected when you come across this place. Definitely not. Looks good, though. Like good, all nice quality equipment in there, it looks like.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Yeah, those are some good pieces. Let's look at photo number two. And this is where I think we're looking at a second bedroom. that also has more gym equipment, right? This is a new bedroom now, isn't it? Well, you can see the first room over...
Starting point is 00:49:01 Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, so you can see... I think, right? You can see the leg extension machine and the reverse hyper back there, I think. I'm assuming we were on the main floor of the house. One of the bedrooms is the machine bedroom. This is now the second bedroom that happens to be the power rack bedroom.
Starting point is 00:49:16 And we have got... I'm not sure what kind of rack this is. It's one... I think it's got one-inch holes, but it's, you know, there's space closer to that. like three or four inches apart. Yeah, and it might be like a two-by-two, one-inch hole. Yeah, that's what it looks like.
Starting point is 00:49:32 But on the rack, we got a drink spotter light, which you love to see it. Some type of, what would you call that bar there? Cambrid Swiss bar. There you go. Yep, Cambridge Swiss bar. Are those stranko plates? That's what I was just going to say. I think those are stranko plates on there.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Yeah, they look smooth and easy to grip, don't they? Yes, they do. Yes, they do. So love to see that, too. There might even be a pair that says York down on the bottom there, on the weight pin on there. Got an adjustable bench inside the rack. Because this is a bedroom, there's not a ton of extra room for anything, but there is... Got a lot of stuff on the walls.
Starting point is 00:50:10 It does have a lot of stuff on the wall. Another American flag. I see, so we got some antlers hang in there. Got some dumbbells. It looks like it's a dumbbell stand, but the ones that are on it appear to be fixed. They look like they're fixed, but then there's a few. weights on there. So maybe he's just using the dumbbell stand as just some weight
Starting point is 00:50:29 storage. Right. And then I can see in the corners, is there like a box maybe? But I think that's mostly what this room covers. I miss anything there? No, I think that's good. All right.
Starting point is 00:50:45 And then photo three, we're outside the house. And we got, it's strong man day out there. We got a couple, we got a yoke. We got a Got some Farmers carry handles, a bunch of weight plates. Is there a squat stand up there by his garage? I think there's a squat stand with a safety squat bar on there.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And then it almost looks like a trap bar or something is also there loaded with some weights on it. Yeah. So lots of options, places to lift in, what's this Jim called? Random, random lifter. Yeah. That's cool. he puts the home in home gym yes he does
Starting point is 00:51:28 I like it you get strong here oh hell yeah me and random lifter getting hella strong up there in his house yeah up in his house
Starting point is 00:51:38 next time we're near chaboygan we're going to check give him a look mhm sheboigan all right that's sweet that's cool
Starting point is 00:51:48 certified training facility you too can become a certified training facility it's very easy it is the number what well it's the only way you make on certified training facility the week it's at this point almost the only way you get a home gym tour from us too you know what's amazing about this actually zooming in i thought this was a joke at first the name of the gym is random lifter do you see the actual name of the town oh is it random yeah the name of the town is random lake
Starting point is 00:52:13 and if you zoom in on the map it's there's there's uh there's what have we got random like fire department random lake pizza random the random cup you know everything has a random lifter yeah okay interesting I like that not a big town is it no because you got a lake in it well that's true freaking lake takes up the whole town no room for houses left no no there ain't okay
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Starting point is 00:55:44 While you're doing that, I did just have one thought. if I saw someone comment this or if I came up with this I can't remember maybe someone commented in the discord I don't I think I saw this from someone else but wouldn't it be fun if you just hook two Voltras up to each other you know like mount them on the rack hook them up to each other turn them up to both the 200 and just like let them battle it out to see what happens who's the last Voltra stand yeah it is an interesting thought experiment There's probably an easy way to know exactly what would happen. You know, it's probably, I suppose nothing happens or...
Starting point is 00:56:26 Well, and then, so, okay, so you buy two, you do this instantly. You file a warranty claim instantly saying, I don't, it broke. I don't know how. They both completely broke. Okay. We'll have to crowd fund this idea. We'll get everyone to pitch in some money. We'll be the ones to take the hit for the team and do it.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Actually, this is just battle bots, isn't it? It's just, it's like battlebots, but way less cool to watch. It's just battle box. It's like if they made battlebots the least fun possible version of that possible. They can't move and their only weapon is a string that attaches to the other string. You have to hook them up to each other. It's like, well, what about like flames or saws? Nope, the strings, it's all they get.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Are any of them the really low to the ground ones that just spin really fast? I can't scoop them up or anything. Yeah. They're just boxes that are stuck to a post. What about, because is Angkor, is that one of the competitors? Yeah, it's in that same kind of vein of product. So like hook them up to each other and see what happens to. Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Yeah, Battle of the boxes. Yeah, it is like battlebots only not fun at all. we're just taking the worst part of it kind of robots and then just letting them do things that aren't that interesting to watch I got to say when I was like 16 battlebots had me in an absolute stranglehold oh I remember uh or whatever age I was
Starting point is 00:58:03 maybe I was younger than I was I want to say when I was younger I had a grandma that lived in Minnesota and I swear like Minnesota public broadcasting got different shows than we did and battle bots was on And it's like, oh, my God, this is so crazy. I was probably in about fourth grade watching these robots tear each other apart. It'd be interesting to actually pull it up now and see is it entertaining TV or was just the bar solo then. Well, and there's newer ones that they've made too.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Oh, definitely. But I'm talking about the OG original stuff. I want to know how that looks and holds up. The thing about that show is they do so much buildup for solo, you know, which is by nature what you have to do in, like, fighting in general. And then the actual competition It could just be over so fast Right It's like oh yeah that one
Starting point is 00:58:50 Or that one just never worked Like literally went out there and just stopped It ceased to work It's also part of it Yeah Like the ones that just looked like Did just look like saws on wheels There was strategy though
Starting point is 00:59:04 Where it's like oh this is like The definitely the best kind of battle bot Until someone came up with like nope We're just straight up an indestructible wedge like we don't use a weapon like our weapon is just our indestructible nature yeah and uh that's that's was kind of fun to see like the chess game of battlebots mm-hmm that's where i that's really where i see the vulture headed though it becomes an indestructible wedge if the vulture could also be a table saw i would consider the price we'd definitely open it up to even more options there's
Starting point is 00:59:39 there's no arguing that if it was a table saw it could be maybe more dangerous. Yeah. Yep. A table's on with a 200 pound weight attached to it. There is a certain level.
Starting point is 00:59:51 I don't know. Maybe some wheels on it, make it remote control. Like maybe that would give it some more functionality. I don't know. Right. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I don't have one. So I'm just speaking from like just speculation over here. The very least it should also be a Roomba. Well, yeah. It should have a vacuum cleaner on it no matter what. Just make it a vacuum cleaner at least.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Like Roomba costs like $800, right? So then you're like half a bit. No, you can get a room with like 200 nowadays. Well, like a really good room was. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that goes back to its base station. Right. Like that actually might work is what I'm thinking.
Starting point is 01:00:28 I'm guessing the $150 roomba doesn't work that well. Okay, we had one. I'll say this. Before we had kids, we had a Roomba. It was not the very cheapest one. It was definitely not the most expensive one either, though. and I kind of love that little thing. It worked pretty damn good.
Starting point is 01:00:45 But you didn't continue it. Yeah, because once you have kids and you have 10,000 things over the floor all the time, it just can't. It's like, well, it's not going to work here. It's not. It's just constantly going around stuff. There's nothing. Yeah, there's just way too much shit in the way.
Starting point is 01:01:01 So that's, I've given up on our Rumba. And it's just been in a closet for several years now. Did have a good stretch, though, while it was around. Oh, bust it back out someday. I relearn the floor maps and be back in service. That's right. All right. We ready for the next one?
Starting point is 01:01:19 To our list. Yeah. I guess your turn. Oh, God. Okay. Okay. I got a good one here. I'm going to go with the old car flip.
Starting point is 01:01:31 The strong man. I got to clarify my Google search here. Strong man car flip. Not just a runy old random car flip. Not a cold. A lot of car accidents. It's always getting right out the bat. The Strongman car flip,
Starting point is 01:01:47 this, you know more of the history than I do. This one has not been done a whole lot of times, has it? No, extremely dangerous. Basically only ever done at World Strongest Man. I'm guessing some local shows have tried to pull it off before. An extremely dangerous event. At the very least, people tear their bicep. At the worst, the car lands back on this.
Starting point is 01:02:11 them and breaks their leg. And I think that literally has happened. They try to use spotters at World Strongest Man after, like, I think the first year they did it, like half of the field and left an injured. Like legitimately, half the people left an injury looks awesome. I was going to say, though, I mean, with all these, you know, concerns set aside, it is like really sweet, though. Like the idea that you're strong enough to flip a car.
Starting point is 01:02:37 You're rolling a car end over end, or side don't, you know, yeah. End over end would be pretty sweet. It's a car flip, but you have to do it. End over end over it. God, it's just, it's so rarely done. It's extremely dangerous, but it looks really freaking cool. Oh, boy, that's just like it's pulling in a lot of different directions. Is this a B, is this a B tier item?
Starting point is 01:03:03 Probably because of the, just that's just smack dab in the middle as far as our list goes. because it's yeah like you said everything's tugging it strongly in both directions so it probably lies in the middle all right i can live with that okay let's go to a sandbag carry so we did the atlas stone uh i just put sandbag carry i'll either say sandbag carry or sandbag load is what it could be you know where you're basically where you're picking up a sandbag and you're either carrying it for a distance or you're loading them in a series or in a local show you're probably repeatedly loading it over the bar you know we did that this year at the lift hardly v z classic it's the sandbag event has really become way more common in local
Starting point is 01:03:57 shows than atlas stones like largely in part because it's way it's just easy to accessible environment friendly like yeah you can you can do it and it's not going to ruin the floor Mm-hmm. So I guess the sandbag carry, the sandbag load. I don't know. As a spectator, though, it's not near as cool as Atlas does. That's what I was going to say, my issue with the sandbag carry, though, is it's just so, don't get me wrong. It's, sandbags are awesome for training.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Everyone should probably be doing them. I don't do them, and I should be. You have your Strongman Corner, though. Strongman Corner that consists of only a sandbag. and um train training aspect yes great item very good thing to have but as far as a strong man event i just think it's kind of boring like it doesn't look they don't look cool you know it's just a bag full of sand not be gravel so it's just a bag and it doesn't really look cool they don't they don't have any wow factor to them you don't they don't they for how big they are you
Starting point is 01:05:04 actually can never like when you tell someone that oh that's a 300 pound sandbag which is an enormous sandbag yeah if someone hasn't done them like well i i can deadlift 300 pounds easily so like that's probably not the big so i think like they also have a thing going against them is that for as challenging as they are they don't look as cool as they should be right you know like a 300 pound sandbag carry is very impressive a 300 pound deadlift for most people is not impressive at all and i think that's where people like i get it they're not the same but i think most people would think of it that way if they're trying to equate it to what is this yeah so i just i it it doesn't have the show aspect to it to me like at all working for it yeah i think it's like a
Starting point is 01:05:45 c then for those reasons i think so yeah i don't think it's an f they are incredibly versatile good training tools but yeah they just don't don't look very yeah as far as a training tool it's one of the most versatile out of all the equipment on the list but that's not really what we're grading this on you know yeah all things consider I don't think it's an F item, but I'd feel good about a C. Yeah, okay. You just pick that one, Sandwig?
Starting point is 01:06:14 I think so. Okay. I'm going to go. 30 seconds back, but. Next on the list, I'm going to go with the truck pole. Or depending on your event, maybe it's a airplane pole or a bus pole or something else.
Starting point is 01:06:28 But I've never done one of these. Tanner, you've done a few in your day. Yeah, I've done an ambulance pull. Oh. There's also different ways you could have a lead rope or no rope. Did you do one where you like burned your fingertips off? I did. So we were in Rapid City at the fairgrounds on as black asphalt.
Starting point is 01:06:50 And ours was no rope. So I was, you know, basically on my all fours. And I didn't even notice it at the time. But the asphalt was so hot. It was like 100 degrees and sunny. sunny out that day that I literally blistered like the fingertips off of, you know, the pads off of most of my fingers. And then one of the next events was Atlas Stones, you know, covered in tacky.
Starting point is 01:07:17 And it was not good on my hands. I feel like I remember you coming back from that competition. Yeah. And your hands just looked like I've been through a meat grinder. Yeah, my hands were not good from that. The truck pull also like a pretty iconic World Strong. youngest man event too iconic looks cool not only is iconic but it does look cool because everyone's like oh this guy's pulling that huge thing you know so it's got some mild factor um depending on
Starting point is 01:07:46 what it is the speed of it can vary a touch you know um but i think the problem with truck pull is in the setup that if it's uphill at all or if it's downhill at all it changes it so drastically or if the tires are you know depending on what it is it's not just the weight of the item it's a lot of variables a lot of promoters have a hard time even at the level of world strongest man getting you talk about getting the weight
Starting point is 01:08:14 right for the competitors or for the competition whatever you're aiming for it's hard to do in that event it's really hard to do because there's a lot of variables like you said I do think it looks cool it was pretty fun to do it it's hard to pull off
Starting point is 01:08:30 that requires a lot of space and stuff too It's pretty iconic, though. It is iconic. It does have some cons going against it. I don't know. I think looking at the list, to me, though, it is a cooler event than the Hercules holding sandbags.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Yeah. So I think then it's like a B. I think so, too. Yeah, I think B's a good spot. Yep. Okay, let's do, we did log press before. Let's do the axle. I think we got to include the axle
Starting point is 01:09:06 because it's probably right up there in terms of use in Strongman. I think it's not as good as the log. I 100% agree with you right there. Axel is a highly used event. And I'm saying Axel overhead press. You know, the Axel Press event. It's really easy to implement an event.
Starting point is 01:09:33 It's because all you need is an axle and weights and everyone's got that. You can do different things with different looking weights on the end of it to change it a little bit. It's not near as good as the log visually. Yeah, it doesn't have that wow factor. And it's made hard in the way that just the shaft is slightly larger. And that just makes it so much more challenging. Yeah. And so it's like it's.
Starting point is 01:09:56 And the sleeve, there's no rotating sleeves for the. Right, right. But like all the things that make it harder are things that aren't visually obvious. really, you know? Right. To every, yeah. So, like, you can have someone that doesn't know much about lifting and they might see, oh, this guy can press with a barbell. He can clean and jerk and do this weight overhead.
Starting point is 01:10:14 And then you have this big strong guy and he's got this axle and can only do that much. So I think that, again, is what kind of hurts it from a show standpoint. Yeah, the show of it kind of, it's okay. It's not great. I mean, it's cool. You're lifting weight overhead. Yeah. People can understand the weights of it.
Starting point is 01:10:30 So that helps it. it's used all the time to i don't know it's either a b or an a to me and i'm not really sure which one i was kind of leaning towards b just because log is s and i i feel like this is more than just like one notch below log right but that's fine with me we'll go b for right now we'll we'll see how this shakes out okay um all right did the tire flip or i did the car flip earlier i'm to take on the tire flip now all parts of the automobile we use all parts of the automobile here we did the hammer tire deadlift we did the car flip and now the tire flip uh the tire flip um I'm actually now that I think I thought I was going to have an obvious answer here but now that I thought about
Starting point is 01:11:20 it for just one second longer I'm kind of torn on this one because it can look cool this one's very dependent on the tire I think maybe more than almost any of them I've done tire flip in competition, I think, five times. Yeah, you know, it's all a decade ago because people used to use the tire flip all the time. It used to be in World Strongest Man all the time. And it's really fallen out of favor. Yeah, I think, and I think at Massonomics, when we first moved to the gym where we had grass area, I want to say I did it like once or twice there.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And then I just kept getting all these scar stories of you guys, like, bruising and hurting biceps. and I thought, yeah, I don't want any part of that. And I've never, never did it again. I mean, I tore, partially tore my one bicep from doing a tire in competition. And it's a lame way to hurt yourself. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it happens to a lot of people, a lot of people tear their biceps on tire flips. But it, I did like the event every time we did it because it was really a, like at the South Dakota State Fair was a very heavy tire.
Starting point is 01:12:28 And it was a very ballsy test of, like, what someone could go through because just how grueling it actually was. So it did test something. I kind of enjoyed watching it because you saw people really have to dig really deep like you don't see on some events sometimes. I don't know if it's super exciting in general to watch or not because it can get kind of slow or maybe two, you know, it's weight dependent. I don't know. um it's like not an s to me and it's not an f i know that for sure right i would agree with that for sure i don't think it's an a tier item either though yeah i don't think so either you know right now the only eight year item we have is the farmers carry but i think something
Starting point is 01:13:14 else will find its way in there right so then we have it's is it b or c and uh a lot of stuff's falling into b i kind of want to lean towards c maybe on this one right now but that's a That's coming from a guy that's never had to really do it, though. So maybe I'm thinking about this wrong. I don't dis, even for the tire flip having wronged me, I don't dislike it. I think it's still okay, but I still actually kind of see that it could be in C. Okay. It's done me dirty, but I can't hold the grudge for my entire life.
Starting point is 01:13:51 Well, all right. Speaking of doing me dirty, I'll get to the stupid one. the yoke carry. I knew exactly what you're going to say. Yeah. Did me the dirtiest out of anything ever on the list. I do have one torn ACL and meniscus to show from. Well, you have two torn ACLs, but I have one to attribute to yoke carrying.
Starting point is 01:14:13 So did me very wrong, did me very dirty in a competition. Yoke is a pretty popular strong man event, though, too. You can see really cool versions of it, like at the Arnold when they do the bail tote. But that event kind of sucked. Oh, well, they're at the Arnold. It's so heavy, you know, the runway. At least back when we would watch it, I mean, was the stage 30 feet long, 40 maybe? Like, it's one of the most iconic yoke events ever, though, I think was at the Strongman Showdown in 2018 when Alan Larson and Trevorson's, we did a rising bar yoke.
Starting point is 01:14:55 and the crowd was as into that as like any crowd I've seen in person at a strong man event. So that says something. Yeah, yeah, that says something. You see it a lot. I mean, it's a staple piece of strong man equipment because it works for a lot of other things.
Starting point is 01:15:13 But so everyone's got it in there. Anyone that has strong man stuff, they eventually get themselves a yoke. I don't like it because it did me, it wronged me. But I guess I have to take that out of it seems like it certainly has a strong place and strong man it does and there is the thing of this one compared to a lot of events you can uh up the theatrics with oh no this is a car yoke or a
Starting point is 01:15:41 motorcycle yoke or there's people sitting on this one while you like you know there's a lot of ways that they can you make it look at the 2017 strong man showdown i did i was never a huge fan of it because I just kind of sucked at it. What, what, where do you think it lands? Ah. I'd almost hate to put it in A. Yeah, I was leaning towards B or A. I don't think, it's not C.
Starting point is 01:16:07 I don't think it's an S. No. But, um, I mean, it is. It might be a stupid A. Yeah. I mean, it is a, it's a good test and it is a pretty iconic strong men event at the same time. Yeah. That's stupid event
Starting point is 01:16:22 It's probably an A Okay As much as I'd hate to say it All right I'll get an A here I'm just trying to find a picture This will work good enough Okay
Starting point is 01:16:35 Got a second A tier Okay Farmers Carey is not alone Not anymore all right what he got should we do we'll do the squat a squat in strong man not an iconic strong man event in my opinion and this one out of a lot of them is really hard to standardize in any way you know at least in in the sense of standardizing a squat you know like i get it nothing is Everyone has different body types.
Starting point is 01:17:18 But traditionally, the judge for a squat is, you know, are you hitting depth? And it just seems like no one's really figured out a good way to achieve that with Strongman. At least people don't agree on the ways that people figure out to do it with Strongman. When they did it at the Arnold a few years ago, it looked like crap. They had this big giant monolith thing and you couldn't tell what was going on. Some of the ones they've used at World Strongest Man with the giant bells on the end of it look pretty cool. They do. They do that for reps.
Starting point is 01:17:49 Or, like, I even think it's kind of cool to me. It is a somewhat iconic event the way they would do, like they would drop the kegs into the. Yeah, that's kind of cool. And they would do the squat. Shaw's used out of the Shaw classic versions of that. But even there, you watch it. And it's like, some of these guys don't really have to squat that far.
Starting point is 01:18:04 And some of these guys are burying it, you know, depending on how they have that thing set up. The squat is an awesome test of strength with all the problems with it in Strongman. to me, to me, it's either a C or I could even make a slight case for it as F because of how poorly it plays out and almost every time I see them use it.
Starting point is 01:18:27 F might be a stretch, though. I don't know. I would say that's a surprising take, but when you think about it, it is just the execution of it is so hard. It just feels like no one actually has figured out the right, I think that does prove no one has figured out the right way to do it
Starting point is 01:18:43 because there's no, a lot of these people have arrived at a consistent way of how they perform that and the squat doesn't seem to be there but at the same time I want to be like ah it is the squat it is just right the best just straight up tests of strength right it just kind of sucks in the sport of strong man it does uh I've done it I've done that at the I've done it a couple of times where we squatted to pins yeah very jarring It is. And then you kind of play the game of bouncing it a little bit too, which we put it on in 2018. We had Larry and Nick squat off against each other. I think that that one looked all right.
Starting point is 01:19:25 You know, we try to put it on. Yeah, you could make it look pretty cool. Like it's, I think it's, we could put it as an F to really get some engagement going from people that disagree with it. Okay. We'll go F for now. We'll go F for now. That might be where it just ends up, though. Yeah. All right. Do you got one next? Yeah. What's, uh, um,
Starting point is 01:19:53 boy. Let's go with the circus dumbbell. Okay. The one-handed overhead event. Mm-hmm. Circus dumbbell. So a few different versions of the implement. In spirit,
Starting point is 01:20:11 they're all pretty similar. You know, there's the ones that have the more open, loadable end. And then sometimes you see the ones that look like a more globy, strong man, or old-timey kind of one. But the globe old-timey ones do look the coolest, right? True, definitely. But I've pretty much never done this event.
Starting point is 01:20:35 So I have no input from that standpoint. Because we never had one in the gym, like back in the day. We never used to. No, we never had. we got a couple we got both styles now we have both mb power center versions that you mentioned we have both styles and those i mean those ones are really really nice but almost nobody ever uses either of the well it's a little work to get it set up and you know you got to have the pads ready to go it um it is very cool it definitely has a technical event yeah
Starting point is 01:21:03 very technical it has the history going for it you know going back to those old timey strong man things you do like and we know how i feel about the history but but um seem dimitar do some big things before i'm actually going to say that seemed dimitar just light the world on fire doing the old circus dumbbell it's not an f it's absolutely not an s i don't think it's an a all of a sudden we're at a b or a c part of me wants to say c but it looks cooler i don't it's probably a c if i have hercules hold in here then i'm probably a c on this too what do you think yeah I'm comparing it versus the other overhead stuff and I'm like well
Starting point is 01:21:47 way way worse than a log just on an am I like is it as good as an axel I don't think it's as a test of strength as the axle is I don't know that it looks it doesn't I mean you're dealing with just less weight because you're using you're like no let's restrict this to what you can do with one arm I don't know I could see it one step below so I could make a case for C. I can go B or C, but I'm actually good with C. Okay. We'll go C for now. Okay. Next up.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Let's do keg toss for something completely different, a throwing event. And one of, I think, probably the most iconic throwing event, if you ask me, is the keg toss, if we're going to put one in here. Not that one where they threw the rock at the Arnold the one year. terrible event that's enough i actually did that event one year also too terrible event in person also where everyone's throwing it like eight feet yeah it's terrible all around eight feet two inches and the worst is six feet one inches yeah like they all looked exactly the same and none of them looked good yes this is a game of inches here uh that that is not a good event keg toss is a good event World Strongest Man event, more so than anything.
Starting point is 01:23:16 Hard to set up the, sometimes the vertical throwing events, sometimes a little harder for some local Strongman shows. I think in the last five years, that's gotten figured out way better, though. Technology is just evolved at such a rate that. We have the technology to throw kegs up in the air. I did do a in a Strongman competition once I did a keg for distance. Oh, really?
Starting point is 01:23:41 Which is interesting because that was most interesting to see the different techniques. Not a good event, though. You're saying for distance. Yeah, keg for distance was not a good event. Keg for height, though, is a good event, I think. I think it's fun. I think it looks really cool. I think it's very fast-paced.
Starting point is 01:24:04 I think in World Strongest Man, it's some of the funnest events to watch, actually, when they do that. and then there's like this tight competition and you still get to low it's a speed event but you load it with increasingly heavier so that adds that element to it you can make it heavy enough that some people can't get one and then there's this battle of throwing it and not quite getting it i'm kind of talking myself into being an a actually i think it might be too though it checks the boxes of you know it does test the strength and power thing there is an aspect of technique too like you can't just can't just show up and just be great at it. Like you got to have a little practice, a little game plan here. And it looks cool. You know, you're taking things and whipping them through the air
Starting point is 01:24:47 and up high. Yeah. Yeah, I think this makes sense as an A event. I think it's a little bit underrated even too when I talk, when we're talking about it. I think it's an A. All right.
Starting point is 01:25:01 I like it. All right. Let's try out. let's do Conan's wheel Conan's wheel it's kind of a front carry but it's where you go around a central pivot point with an arm attached out on a radii
Starting point is 01:25:20 that you walk around as far as you can usually in a given time or as far as you can until you drop it or until you drop yeah that that happens I did Conan's wheel one time in competition and I almost passed out almost immediately.
Starting point is 01:25:41 It got me like, it sucked the oxygen from my brain. I remember you saying that. I got rubber legs and, like, fell forward. And only because the Conan's wheel arm was there, did I not fall directly on my face? So why do you think, though, that I remember talking about that back then, but I don't. Sometimes on front carries, there's something with just the way the pressure and everything
Starting point is 01:26:04 sits that it. Yeah, I get that on. front carries and that really did it to me like to and I suppose the I don't know if they're adrenaline or the competition or whatever is going through your body at that point in time just I and it wasn't like oh this is heavy I'm dropping it it was like oh my god what happened like you went straight from effort to just pass out instantly yes yes yes so not a good personal experience again for this one on me that I can say but kind of looks cool like it does look pretty cool you know, Rogue's taking it to,
Starting point is 01:26:37 or, you know, Rogue and the Arnold have taken it to the extreme with that one crazy one they built, you know. Right. Right. Which is slightly different. Yeah, actually that is, because that's more of the same general premise, but you're not really, it's not really a front carry. Yeah, that one's more of a push, yeah. Yeah, what do you think on this one?
Starting point is 01:26:58 Um, they did it at home gym con this year. They had that kind of cool setup for it. it's kind of easy to gauge how people are doing walking in that circle because you see when people pass, like, marks. I think there's something to that. Something to that effect, I don't love the Conan's wheel. I don't even know why, how to put it into words. To me, it's not an S and it's not an A. It's also not an F.
Starting point is 01:27:30 So it's a B or a C. And I don't really have, I don't have a great explanation for it other than I know it's not those. other categories to me yeah i'm right there with you 100% on that logic um oh boy i'd maybe lean towards the sea i don't know why though i think we could put it there i don't know if we always have to have an exact reason it's just sometimes it's just a gut feel i just i just feel that it's a sea okay all right what else do we got here i'm I'm going to go with, you might call it a Hoosafel Stone, but me and my boys, we call it a hoose.
Starting point is 01:28:16 I don't know if you're familiar with this. We call it a hoose. What do you mean, the Hoose? Yeah, the Hoose. The Hoose is loose. We've seen a lot of, in our gym tours lately, we've seen a lot of homemade hooses. We've seen a lot of people with hooses in their gyms. Actually, we have seen several homemade ones in the last round of Hoos is.
Starting point is 01:28:36 popping up lately yeah also like the conan's wheel it's a front carry event i have done a few different versions i've done like a tombstone uh just where it's like literally a concrete chunk that you do for distance i've done a super heavy hoose against alan larson that we talk about in his home gym tour uh video they suck to do one kind of shape like south Dakota you could say the South Dakota shield like if we wanted to lump that in here I guess we did that I thought that one was kind of fun to watch I feel like the crowd was into it a little bit I don't love it I think front carries kind of just suck balls like just a personal opinion on front carries to me though too like even if I do well at it I just sucks but maybe that's
Starting point is 01:29:32 something that makes it good I don't know what do you think about okay so looking at this okay it's a carry of some kind you know and so it's not an s or an a to me like it's not on tier with like a frame carry like it so yeah our a farmers carry yeah so yeah um we'll lump farmers and or like a yoke though like it's not a you know being a carry like it's not on the same tier of that to me it's definitely not an f tier so So again, we're back in that B to C tier category. I guess is it equal to or better than the Conan's wheel as the most direct comparison? That's just going to say, yeah, where does it line up compared to that?
Starting point is 01:30:19 And I don't know which one's better to watch. I don't either. They feel kind of similar to me because, I mean, they are very similar movements. One, you're just going in a circle, the other one's in a line. So then would we just put it the same category? I think so. I think so. Okay.
Starting point is 01:30:36 Just logic that one into submission. It's like, you'll be there hoose and you'll like it. Okay. How about the Fingles? Fingles, Fingers, the most tongue-twistery event in all of Strongmen. The Fingles, Fingers. Have you ever got to do any of this of any kind? I don't know that I've ever, like, I'm sure,
Starting point is 01:31:01 I know that I've crossed paths with actual Fingles Fingers, fingers, but I don't know that I've ever touched one. With Fingles, actual fingers, you cross-pass with them. He's got some nice fingers, old Fingle. They do look really cool. Like, watching this event take place. It is one of the cooler-looking events, in my opinion. I think so.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Iconic World Strongest Man event. Hard event for a lot of shows to replicate, though. Right. The equipment necessity for lack of versatility. and all the issues there make it a nightmare for the most part for most people to have this just to have these laying around year round it does look cool though it looks really cool actually it does never tried it so i can't speak to that but it looks really cool it would not be an s tier event that's for sure no it's not an f tier event either just
Starting point is 01:32:02 saying this on everyone right Well, we do have S as an S, but those were obviously kind of more obvious S or F. Could make a case for A, but I'm more of a B on Fingles fingers. I think that's a good spot for it. Just because it's a rare. It's just kind of a bit of a rarity, a bit of an oddity, but it is really cool. Yeah, that's a good one. We're getting down there to maybe a handful of events left to rank here.
Starting point is 01:32:31 Yeah, I'll go this one. I'll say loading medley. And this one's maybe one of the trickier ones because it might have the most... It's ambiguous. Yes, just the most variety as to what you could see here. You know, it could be anything from a horse stall mat to a sandbag to a giant anchor to a chain to an engine block. I mean, there's just so many things. And part of the coolness of this event lies directly on how the promoters are, you know,
Starting point is 01:33:04 directors are organizing this one. So I think this one is left to chance a lot more. True. I think it's an important event in Strongman. Oh, it is because it tests the moving thing, which it's like, okay, if we're not doing moving, what are we just doing just a different version of powerlifting now? So I mean, I do like events that have moving in Strongman. And they kind of are mostly front carry events, but unlike the sandbag, just
Starting point is 01:33:34 It could even be a sandbag as part of it, you know, which we ranked as a separate event or unlike the Conan's wheel or unlike the Hussville Stone, which the Hussville Stone could be a part of it, but just for the sake of ranking this as a separate event, this medley, where I'm thinking there's at least three implements in the medley. I think it's above all of those. We have most of those in C. Yeah. It's better than that. Yeah. I think it's almost like an A event because it might. B, because you kind of just have to have a moving event like this in Strongman of some kind, right? Like World Strongest Man oftentimes kicks off with an event like this. I don't know if it always separates the wheat from the chaff really well because you can make like one little mess up and, you know, you screw yourself. But in that way, it's kind of exciting to watch too. Yeah. I like, I think it's an A to me.
Starting point is 01:34:34 yeah i think it's good i'm cool with that all right down to the last few we'll save those top two for the last two then okay yeah that's good that'll be uh we save some a couple of your there's a couple that you're like how have you not done these yet we're going to save them for last so before that we're going to do power stairs which the most comparable event to me on this list is duck walk which we put in F, but I think the power stairs are a lot better than the duck walk. I don't know how many rungs better than the duck walk, but power stairs is that similar top handle implement
Starting point is 01:35:15 that you're moving up the stairs. Shows up a lot in the bigger shows. You know, they know they use it at Giants Live events. They've used it in different ways at World Strongest Man over the years. Shaw, Classic. Some local strong man pro. I mean, you've got to build these giant-ass stairs,
Starting point is 01:35:31 which kind of sucks and is hard to do. looks really cool, though. Like at the lift hard live easy classic. Like if we built these giant stairs and the event finishes with people meeting at the top of the stairs. That looks cool. You know, like it's just, but building those stairs is an undertaking and they're huge and a lot of problems there. But a cool event to watch, probably a. fun event to do i've never gotten to do it before um very limited though with the challenges of
Starting point is 01:36:12 setting it up so i don't know yeah it's better than a duck walk right i don't think it's an ftier item um no uh b or c yeah i could see it as a b we still have room for at least one b in there right we can squeeze one more they do yep okay yeah and like that who is that Is that Poundstone in that photo? Yeah, that's Poundstone doing it where they've done in those really cool places. Looking like his arms could explode. They're so huge.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Yes. God. All right. So now we're down to our last two events. They're both deadlift events. We'll tackle them both at the same time here, actually. We did the Hummer Tire Deadlift. It's the only other one we've done so far.
Starting point is 01:36:57 The last two that we're going to do is the car deadlift and the Max deadlift. I thought it was going to be the Axel deadlift and the Jefferson deadlift. Okay, strike this. New plan. So the car deadlift and the Max deadlift. The Max deadlift, one of the more polarizing Strongman events that people argue about because it's so common now.
Starting point is 01:37:26 And like there's always this record thing for, you know, just having recently broke it a couple times. Eddie before that. It talked about for 10 years. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. When you say Max Deadlift, you're not necessarily even just talking about a Max Deadlift event. It's a lot of them are moving to Max Deadlift with like kilo calibrated plates, like in a more powerlifting type setting even.
Starting point is 01:37:51 That's what you're seeing more and more. Kind of, yeah, yeah. I mean, you could include, I'm almost also lumping in, though, the Arnold Elephant Bar Max Deadlift because they just do that repeating. yeah you know yeah true it's kind of the same event yeah to me that but it's things that are at a normal deadlift height right you know they have plates like okay yeah maybe the bars longer or wippier or something but normal deadlift height uh one rep max single dead lifts they're getting a very polar this will this is probably the most polarizing one on the list because people have very strong opinions on it like
Starting point is 01:38:31 more so than probably a lot of the other events. And if we don't want to rank that one first, the other deadlift here is the car deadlift, which we've had done that one in competition multiple times. We actually just recently with Jujimufu for the Eagle Olympics. We also did the car deadlift there. We set that up three years in a row for the Masonomic Strongman Showdown. It's really tough.
Starting point is 01:39:01 a well-talked-about event, you know, it's like, oh, it looks a car. Because, like, yeah, anyone instantly gets that of, oh, he lifted a car. You know, like, it has the wow factor right there, you know, regardless of how heavy or how you have the car position. Like, there's a lot of variables you can play with to how challenging that actually is. But it does have to- I actually think both of these events are in the top half of the ranking. Oh, yeah. I don't think either one of the.
Starting point is 01:39:31 these, neither one of these are an F or a C. Like, they're, they're both at least a B. I would agree on that. It's just, you know, do you say like, well, a max deadlift that's as primal and simple as it gets, you know, right now in the S tier, there's stones and an overhead thing, you know, should a deadlift? Yeah, should a deadlift be in there in Strongman. It feels like, yeah, there probably should be. Well, and if there's going to be a deadlift, isn't it probably that one, even if people think it is too basic? I mean, it probably is because it's like the one that you would most likely encounter, too. And I'll say this. I think the car deadlift is an A.
Starting point is 01:40:10 I think it's an A. I think it's better than the Hummer Tire Deadlift. And I don't know why because I think it's, I mean, not to steal a page out of your book, but I think it's the history of the car deadlift of something about it that I don't know. I don't even know visually it looks as good as the Hummer Tire Deadlift. No, that's what I was going to say, though. like the car the Hummer one is I think at the end of the day more iconic but I just I think there's something about it though if you just showed most people like if I showed my dad I shouldn't even say my dad if I just showed some random person they'd be like well I don't know it's a tire aren't they filled with air how heavy can they be you know and then you saw someone lifting doing a deadlift on a car like oh they left to the back into that back off the car off the car over and over again I think most people would think that the car deadlift is more of a challenge or more impressive um you know that's not the only factor in here but it is cool like when we had
Starting point is 01:41:05 that frame it did feel like the coolest thing in the world when we were deadlifting a car you know it was right i i could be on board with that one being an a so it's probably an a or a b on the car deadlift yeah yeah i i and the mass deadlift is probably an s or an a see and that's the thing is it does feel it just feels weird to get that in us not have a deadlift as uh but that's the Yeah, like you have to have a deadlift in the S tier, don't you? Like, it's strong man. Isn't that the whole point of, it's like how, how? I think so.
Starting point is 01:41:37 Even if you think that the max deadlift is too boring, that's what people want to say, but everyone's captivated by people breaking that record. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I really didn't think going into this that the max deadlift would be an S event, but after seeing this whole thing play out, I think that's probably where it belongs.
Starting point is 01:42:01 Some people won't like that one for sure. Drop us a comment in the YouTube and let us know where you think Max Deadlift belongs. But remember, if you don't say S, you start with my incorrect opinion it is. And then you end it with, not that I know anything. Let us know what of the 50 Deadlift variations you think belongs in the S tier.
Starting point is 01:42:21 Let us know, as we're wrapping this list up, let us know what event. Oh, do you think there's anything we didn't rank here that we really should? I mean, you could name like 30 other events probably. Yeah, Silver Dollar Deadlift, Wagon Wheel Deadlift, I don't know, Elephant Bar Deadlift. Yes. The next tier list will be Strongman Deadlift tier list.
Starting point is 01:42:44 Yes. Well, you could do that, too, I suppose. Yeah. So I think we covered a good variety of pressing, deadlifting, loading, carrying, moving, throwing. We kind of got a lot of it in there, and this is our list. Well, so you know what's interesting is I think most people would agree
Starting point is 01:43:08 with stones and log being an S-tier. I don't think that's that polarizing of a topic. I do agree with you that in the S-tier, the Max Deadlift is the most polarizing one there. Yep. That's our S-tier. All right, when we go to our A-tier, we have Farmers-Cary, Yoke,
Starting point is 01:43:26 keg-tops. medley and car deadlift and what's interesting is those first four farmers carry yoke they're all keg toss and medley are all very movement dependent you know they're dynamic yeah least you know the throw is you know it's a dynamic movement yeah that's funny that those all landed in that a category though well part of it's because that's interesting to watch i think too right like you know that it's just interesting. It feels like you're displaying a little more athleticism. Right.
Starting point is 01:43:59 It's just maybe more, although we didn't put all those in there because truck pull, tire flip, fingles, fingers, power stairs, you know,
Starting point is 01:44:06 those all didn't make a. But the ones that made it are some of the ones you move the fastest in though, you know, and again, it depends on the actual setup, but like those are the ones
Starting point is 01:44:14 you would typically see the highest speeds of people there. Yeah, and then down in the F, the front hold, I feel comfortable about that, the duck walk.
Starting point is 01:44:25 And the squat, that's the pull. Probably the two most polarizing on our list are the deadlift and the squat. Because they are the ones that every lifter has a frame of reference on them. That's probably why they're the most polar. And I'm, squat's my favorite lift. And like I'm pretty much in agreement with you that F tier is where that borr wrong. For strong man.
Starting point is 01:44:47 If this was a power lifting, maybe next week we'll do the power lifting lift tier list where we rank each power lifting lift and it's just the three lists Strap in people How about that for a list? People like, is that all there is to the show? Is there more coming? Yes.
Starting point is 01:45:15 Okay, so it's pretty comprehensive. It's exactly accurate. And yeah, it's mark it down. We did it again. the perfect tier list. Every time I think we can't come out with another exactly perfect tier list, we do it. Just keep doing it.
Starting point is 01:45:29 Let us know in the YouTube comments what we missed, what we put in the wrong place according to your incorrect opinion. Let us know what you think about the squat and the deadlift specifically. Everyone mentioned where they would put the squat in the deadlift. And let us know where you would put the duck walk.
Starting point is 01:45:50 That's the tier list. Okay. So this week's episode, if you're going to do a max deadlift, you might as well darn well do it on a Texas deadlift bar. Check them out at Texas powerbars.com, whether you're doing them, I guess even if you're going to do an F-tier max squat, you might as well do it on a Texas squat bar.
Starting point is 01:46:06 If you're going to have to do the squat and strong man, you might as well do it on a Texas squat bar. Check out their squat, bench. Who do we go to? We saw a Texas bench bar, the Quigon Gym at a Texas bench bar. Not something you see all the time, but you can get one.
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Starting point is 01:48:31 Yeah, I think. I know, yeah, that is the one. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So that was last week's, but at the time that this come out, the most recent YouTube video is Gluck's gym tour. So make sure if you haven't seen those yet, check out both of them, both very different, but both a lot of fun. Glucks is the newest one at this point, the time, the one that's most likely that you haven't watched yet.
Starting point is 01:48:54 Check it out. It's his new facility there that's really never been toured in a video like this. So you actually see a lot of it on a way that you don't see in his normal review videos. You see a lot of stuff that you don't normally catch on his. Did you get to watch any of the video at all yet, Tanner? I have not seen it at all yet. And the intro of it, I remember recording it, and I'm, I need to at least get through the intro of it
Starting point is 01:49:19 because I loved the intro, so I'm excited to see that in final form. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, it's something a little different for us for how we typically start these. And I 100% agree with you that, you know, if you watch Gluck's videos, you feel like you got a feel for what's going on inside his gym, but actually getting in there and just letting it be more of a loose format
Starting point is 01:49:40 the way we do it, walking around the space, You get just a whole, whole different vibe for what's taking place there. Yeah. So check it out. And then we've got, as you know, a whole bunch more gym tour videos that we've already recorded that are going to continue to be rolling out week after week. If you're not subscribed on YouTube, you certainly should be. I mean, it'd be really weird if you made it this far and you weren't. What other topics on our list do we want to make sure to cover this week?
Starting point is 01:50:09 Oh, boy. I don't know if I can get through any of these quickly unless you have some notes about your leg extension there I'm not sure what that is though what was I even talking about did I don't know was I maybe just talking about how you fixed it or something oh that must have been it okay yeah this will take 30 seconds yeah my leg
Starting point is 01:50:30 did we talk about this or not maybe we did I know we we talked about it oh maybe that's what it was then okay yeah yeah that's right okay well I guess as long as this is the gym repair episode also I yeah the cable snapped on our selectorized leg extension machine, the old one. And all I did to fix that was just go to max hardware and get a length of cable and put it on. It took almost no time. And I'm like, oh, that was pretty easy.
Starting point is 01:50:57 It does not have a plastic sheath on it. But the old one didn't have a plastic sheath on it. It lasted like probably 40 years if I had to guess, by the way it looked, you know? Yes. But how smooth does that run on the pull? that it's on that's my it's probably now it's probably not the smooth of the leg
Starting point is 01:51:18 extension but I did just use it today and it's got pretty good range of motion and it's back and be weird if someone told me they couldn't get a quad pump using it yeah yeah I'll have to test it out next to them down there yeah on the topic it did break so I had to fix that
Starting point is 01:51:35 yeah you can't not have that on the topic of leg extensions last week remember that deal I sent you someone had like a very nice looking Sybex Eagle leg extension and Sybex Eagle leg curl. And it's not like the older ones. I think sometimes we see that Sybex Eagle stuff and it looks like it's maybe from the 90s. These ones were like nice commercial grade. And they were on marketplace in, was it Lincoln, Nebraska for 400 each. And they had like 300 and some pounds stacks on them. They looked amazing. And it just, oh, it was a touch. And then on top of that,
Starting point is 01:52:08 this must have been like a rehab or a PT clinic or something because they also had, the free motion functional trainer, the dual stack version for $900, which from what I can tell is about as cheap as you'll ever find that too. So they had three really well-priced items, but I don't have the space for it, and it's a long ways for you.
Starting point is 01:52:29 Yeah, if it was half as far or if it was seven year ago me, I would have made that trip to go get those, but now I'm just like, no, not doing that. It takes too long. And that's also stuff. Those ones are not machines you can call in favors for because they're exceptionally heavy. Well, we looked it up.
Starting point is 01:52:49 I think that free motion dual stack weighs a thousand pounds, you know, from what we could see. Like that you actually need a, like I don't even know that if I showed up there unless I have a crew of people that you even can get that, you know. I'm not sure how you're settling it. And yeah. Then you got to get, if I got to get it downstairs, that's another nightmare. But I would buy those things if they were, if that. That would have been more manageable. I don't actually look for commercial stuff very often.
Starting point is 01:53:15 But when I saw those pop up, I'm like, damn, this is some of the nicest commercial pieces I've ever seen on Marketplace for a reasonable price too. I mean, the only downside of those are what we mentioned, that anyone that gets them is going to have to move. You know, if you can move those, they're worth it all day. Yep. All right.
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