Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 499: 4 Years of Juggernaut AI: Long-Term Review

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

We have each been using Juggernaut AI for our training for over 4 years now. What do we like? What do we dislike? Is it worth it? Check out our new drop this week with a coat, tee, mug, and patches. EliteFTS Use code MASS10 to save 10% on most orders! Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings of how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, you all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. we did it everyone episode 499 the final episode of the massonomics podcast we're going out with a bang on this one just kidding next week is episode 500 and we got something pretty special plan for that but we're not going to do a whole episode talking about it you're just going to have to wait one more week for that one and uh in the meantime we got a pretty good banger of an episode this week too i can kind of feel it already.

Oh, I can feel it deep to my loins. Yes. And my name is Tommy. But we do have something special coming. I think we got, we're going to pull out all the stops for next week too. I think so. You know,

not that we left that many stops in for this week. Oh, if there's one thing we don't do, it's leave stops out there. I had kind of a funny, pull them out situation come up today. You know, you know, the old joke of like, oh, just, oh, just been so busy, you know, like I'm just, just, just busy, man.

When someone asks how you're doing and that's the only reply you got and it just seems like the most generic try not to i try not to give that reply because it's the most generic like who's like oh man just got nothing going on i'm just just the most boring life ever you know most people don't have that but uh i kind of feel like we have been pretty busy lately tanner there's a lot of stuff going on yeah and uh very freaking busy between our lives and massanomic stuff and stuff people don't know about and families and kids and i was actually at the dentist tonight. And he's like, so what you've been up to? And I want to be like, where do we start? You're going to have to leave your hands out of your,

out of my mouth if you want me to explain all this. I just, and then I'm like, you know what? Actually, it's just way easier to say, man, just really busy. And I'm like, I'm doing the thing, but I don't even know what other way to answer this because just giving you the truth would be even more confusing than way too long of a story. So we'll just go with busy. And he goes, and he goes, oh yeah? I'm like, yeah. Now go ahead and shove your hands on my mouth. I don't got anything else for you. That's it.

This week's episode. Actually, this is actually kind of breaking news. Our newest sponsor of the Massonomics podcast is Elite FTS. EliteFTS.com. We've got a discount code with them. It's Mass 10. Head over there. You can save 10% off of most of their equipment,

most of their merchandise, their apparel. Elite FTS is probably underrated in their apparel. They pump out a pretty steady stream of new apparel line products that Dave's got going over there. I think those are all 20% off right now and our code does work on top of those. You can't get them 30% off. Almost can't afford not to. They also have 10% off their big plate loaded machines right now. So if you're in the market for a big machine, they're 10% off. I don't, some of those are discount code might work also. You just check it out. Elitefts.com. Thank you. This episode is also brought to you by Jugger

A.I. And spoiler alert, we're going to have a lot of Juggernaut AI conversation later in this episode. But we're going to get it in front of it a little bit here. So Juggernaut AI is the smartest program for you. Since 2009, Juggernaut has been your trusted training resource helping tens of thousands of lifters reach their goals. From beginners to world champions, Juggernaut AI can help you. And here's how it works. Tell the system about yourself and your goals. It creates an individualized training program made specifically for you, and it makes adjustments every step of the way when you check in with the app on a daily basis, a lift basis. It's always updating and making the program be as optimized as possible for you and your

training. If you want to save 10% on your Juggernaut membership, you can go to juggernaut AI. That is the website, and you can use code Masonomics, and you can save 10% on the lifetime of your membership. Juggernai.a.a.com. Code Mastinomics will save you 10%. Thank you, Juggernaut, AI. What are you drinking anything over there this week, Tommy?

I thought you'd never ask. I'm just parched, parched right now. What are you drinking? Waterloo Lemonline. Oh, that's a classic old standby, isn't it? Mm-hmm. Can't really go wrong or something like that. Oh, yeah, that's good.

I've got a Rambler imported from Austin Tech. Texas, and this is the clear classic flavor. Oh, that thing cracks just right. That's just what I want in a crispy crack, actually. Someday I'll know what those are like, but until that, I'll just dream about it. I'll just keep explaining to them to you over the zoo. Yeah, it's almost just as good. Imagine like a bubbly water that doesn't have any additional.

flavor oh boy but it's really crisp and refreshing i don't know if i could picture anything better i hope i don't know if my description is doing it justice or not but that's your painting a vivid vivid picture there i think i nailed it okay new drop this week by the time this comes out the new drop is official are we going to go over everything over everything here in the episode then yeah suppose we probably should right I think we should, right? I think so. I think we should.

What the heck? These few people will get a little lucky sneak peek. Yeah, our bosses aren't going to fire us if we, this was the wrong decision. No, I don't let it go. Management may have a talk with us, but no one's okay. I don't think they'll get rid of us. I did already show off last week the new patch set that we've got, the three patches in the set, the silly boost.

Goose barbell club, the raw power bison patch, and then the black and white massonomics lifting apart. These are all three inch by two inch patch size. And if you are audio only, you'll know even now they are Velcro patches. And it comes with the other side of the Velcro if you need to sew that to something. So, so. So, so, so here we go. was that a tray

that's tray okay next thing after the patches oh I'm wearing one of the things I guess this cat's out of the bag wait you tell me I have one of those in this box over here that I haven't opened yet

yep oh hell yeah if I packed you the right things there's a full length zip massonomics gym hooded sweatshirt and I would call it

Well, it's the same weight that all of our sweatshirts have been for the last several years, but it's like kind of heavyweight or mid to heavy weight, I would say. It's not light weight. Yeah. I'd say like a mid-weight. Maroon color with the Massanomics Gym logo on the left chest and then big on the back, just like the Massonomics GymT. Actually, if one of these wasn't enough, I'd be a double layer in it there.

And we haven't had. Massonomics Gym stuff. I have to wear it all of it all the time. That's right. We haven't had a zip hoodie of this item in, I don't know, probably five years, four years. Probably five years. We had a heathered black. Yeah, and I never got that one for some reason.

So this has just been on my list of something I've wanted a very long time. So I'm pumped to have this finally. Keith asks what size I'm wearing. I'm wearing a 2X, which all of my zip hoodies of Massonomics that I have are a 2X. But Tommy also wears a 2X of this. I usually do, yeah. Yeah. Tommy does a size fit check live.

Oh, we'll see. Maybe Tommy will bust out the package and we'll have to see what he. Oh, one of the things I guess will be a surprise because I haven't opened it yet. And if you haven't opened yours, I don't have one of these handy. There is a drinkware item that you're going to have to go on the website to look at because I haven't opened. I don't have one handy. I can't I think of what this is. Well, you could clip it just about anyone.

I'll tell you that. Still not. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. Man, even your hints weren't giving it away. Okay. Now I remember.

Yeah. Oh, do I want to get this? Should I open this up or not? Yeah, you can get that if you want to. Yeah, let me grab this here. Hold on.

Okay. And then while he's grabbing that, I'm going to grab one other thing. There's a new, well, I guess you'll have the shirt in there too, won't you? He can hear me, but he can't talk. Yes. Yes, I will.

all right so tommy there there's also a new shirt in this drop that's a revamp of an old one we're just going full on unboxing here here we go yeah this was a live unboxing of Tommy unboxing the stuff that he made like oh my god wow it's the things we made oh more stuff my wife was trying to give me a hard time about the last time i bought clothes the other day and i want to be like what do you mean i get We buy clothes all the time. In the mail just stuffed full of clothing every single month. What more could a guy want? We buy enormous boxes of clothes all the time. Okay, should I go with it by the hundreds? Should I go with the beverage item first?

Yeah, let's see that. Okay, I haven't seen this in person yet. So this is a genuine reaction right now. This is a real reaction video. Oh, nice. Okay, can I show everyone? Is this allowed? Is this loud?

Okay. Have you seen this? Have you heard about this? Have you heard about this? This is the official massonomics. Carabiner mug. Look at that. It's a little, what's this?

Is this aluminum? Is it or is it aluminum? The cup is stainless. Oh, stainless. Oh, even better. Wow. Okay. So we got a stainless cup.

10 ounce. With a carabiner as the, what do you call it? Like the handle. The handle of the coffee mug is an actual working. functioning carabiner. And the whole thing has a stainless look to it and then etched into the mug. It's actually engraved, I believe, right? Yeah, this is actually engraved.

Very, very lightly laser engraved is the... Should be dishwasher safe. Masanomics logo. Just a very subtle little M on there. And this is a very cool novelty item. Wow. Yeah. Seeing this in person is funny.

I wouldn't rock climb with that carabiner, but it'll work fine as a hand. No, no, it works. Yeah, it works great as... And if you wanted to hang it from like your cabinet door, No, but you get to hang it from something, you know? Yeah. Yep, this is laser-etched, Keith. No worries about a sticker here.

No, we don't do stickers, except for our stickers. So that's a cool piece. That thing's really cool. I like that a lot. Okay, should I show this T-shirt? Yes. Okay. Have you seen this?

I don't know if people know this, but one of our longest, longest running t-shirts. Actually, probably is our longest-running t-shirt at this point because some others had to go away a while. ago but you're right actually possibly our very longest running t-shirt ever is our beloved well tell me with the history

yeah I don't mean sit on down we got a little history lesson is the beloved massonomics bench heavy tea it's been a staple it's been around a long time we thought hey you know what

let's remix that a little it's been on the blue shirt with the white mountains forever we did have it on white once it was a white shirt with blue print that wasn't just a tank top Did we actually do a shirt? Yeah, we did a shirt.

It was on a different color tank top. It was on a gray tank top. Oh, was it really? Oh, see, in my head, that was a white tank top with blue letter. It was a white shirt with light blue print. Okay. Someone out there, some real OGs probably we got that, or maybe they'll drop a picture of the white bench heavy tea that we ran one time.

Okay, well, there you go. So we decided to do a little remix on it, a little refresh. So we've gone with the black comfort colors. And we've given it a little bit more of that neon outlined look. And we've simplified it just a touch. So we got the mountains outlined still, big text, bench heavy and neon blue. And then just massonomics underneath it. And I like this, man.

It's got a little bit more of a vintagey feel to it. And it is on the comfort colors, which is always my preferred choice of shirt blank. So I'm excited to get this one out there. To seeing that blue, I mean, I've seen that blue one in thousands. Literally, I've handled thousands of that blue shirt. So seeing this and this new one, when I was folding them and, you know, stacked them on the shelves and stuff here, I'm like, this is really cool.

Like, I got to say the original blue one, some shirts of ours I've seen so many times, they lose their luster for me just a little bit where I'm like, I'm not that excited to wear that shirt. But when I got this one, I'm like, yes, now I'm like pumped to wear this shirt again. Just because it seems so cool and new. Yeah, sweet. Okay, I like that. And then what do we have? The hoodie.

Was that everything then? Um, yeah, the hoodie, the patch, the mug. Should I put on my hoodie so I can match you while we're recording here? What does Jose think the odds of that are that we wear the same zip-up hoodie? Well, is it in the same drop together? Yeah, well, probably pretty slim still. The odds go way, go way up on a new drop week. And then the following weeks as well.

Well, this is perfect timing here as the weather really shifts into fall mode. Dude, it has. It has, it was just like earlier this week. I was thinking, God, it's just never going to get cold here. And all of a sudden, the wind and chilliness have really, really stepped up. We don't do enough weather updates anymore, I feel like. Well, you could almost say that's a plus because the weather has been somewhat cooperative so we haven't had to worry about it quite as much right that's true i did uh oh this is

nice oh loving it god feels she is yep the saturation must be different on your camera looks a lot different color yeah it does well my streaming one my other one looks correct but this one is that saturation well no i think it gets a little confused because i have this orange light back here then this blue one here and then these white ones in front of me and i think it just doesn't know what to do with all that color he said is the inside of the hood smooth or fuzzy well i would say it's fuzzier than the outside of the hood but it's not like fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy was he was a bear fuzzy i'd say the whole thing to me has a little bit of the fuzzy feeling to it yeah on the inside yeah it's not like a i mean it's the same as the inside of the yeah of the sweatshirt yeah

sweatshirt yeah it is the same as that i guess fuzzy was he wasn't very fuzzy but i think this is one where you wash that once and the lightest fuzziness kind of disappears, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I got our trampoline put away from the year. Oh. So that's how you know the snow's coming.

Is that a big project? Yes. Is it actually? It's not a small project. It's not a huge project. I've done it enough times now that. Like, does it take a few hours? Oh, yeah, probably.

It takes, putting it together takes longer. Taking apart probably, it probably, by the time I literally like get the box in its final resting place from start it probably takes two hours yeah trampolines got to love them but hey who's going to be laughing 10 years from now when I have a 10 year old trampoline that's still serviceable that's right you know ruined by the weather that's right your kids then that way I can just throw away a decent tramping instead of a crappy one

instead of one that's totally rusted out I can have this trampoline that I preserved for no longer any use so who's going to be laughing then at my $300 trampoline that I could have just left it out and that will show them yeah yeah

okay so that's the new drop we do have should we talk about crew falls a little bit I think so I guess for anyone that doesn't know the drop came out is Thursday the October 23rd that's the drop date and we everything there has pretty decent inventory actually i'm not putting a

rush well the hoodie if there was a priority the thing that's going to run out in your size is the zip up hoodie i think there'll be high demand on that also the mug is going to be pretty affordably priced for what it is i think so uh that one could go could go fairly quick too so i'll just mention those but yeah crew falls update right yes currently 30 supporting members that have signed up for crew falls you can sign up by going to our website and go to our events tab at massonomics.com you'll see the crew falls link you can go in there and click to sign up you can also see some other future events that we have coming up here as well but crew falls I am very excited for it's starting to feel like it's not that far away

You know, it's just around the corner and do, I don't know, have we, we've given a rundown of everything we're going to do, haven't we? Have we done that? I do know that we've mentioned, I don't know if we've given the full rundown if we're finished with that rundown yet, but I do know that we release that the lifting this year will be happening at Lowe's again. So we're going for year two for Los Campiones. We're going to be back on the Saturday. That's December 6th. but Crew Falls really kicks off on December 5th, the Friday. We'll probably do a kickoff late lunch. I don't know. We might as well just do Pizza Ranch again, probably. We haven't officially said that.

It'll probably be Pizza Ranch. Who knows? Maybe, I don't know, maybe we'll come up with something better. But there's a good chance, pizza ranch. I mean, Peace Ranch is a front runner for sure. And we'll hit up, hit up something for lunch and get fueled up so that we can go to my house and start the old grip gotlet. Yeah, the grip, grip gauntlet challenge year two.

and the events haven't all been released yet because I don't know what the events all are yet. We've discussed some ideas. Here, here's a little preview on events. I'll tell you one thing. There was some company that makes some, you know, the little, I don't even know if I've told you about this, Tommy, that make, you know, the digital grip testers like we've had for. Oh, the dynamometers?

Yeah, dynometer. Some grip company sent me a couple. Really? So we have two of the exact same ones. So I think for that part of the competition, it is a tournament. It's a bracketed tournament where it's all head-to-head. Like it's random seating. Yeah.

And it's all head-to-head. Like it's unnecessarily head-to-head. Right. Like there's no real need for it to be head-to-head. But it's funny. Yeah, it's funny because it doesn't matter what number you get. It's just whether you win the tournament. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Because you could just, just in matchups get really far depending on how your matchups were and not actually be that good. So there is, I do like that element of. randomness to it that is good right so that i think that that'll be a fun and then it's just to print out a big bracket for that that's what i think the winner can have the bracket then too ah that is a good idea i like that so i think that that uh that'll be fun uh to have that round and then the horse stall matt gripper will be involved i think absolutely and then the rest of it TBD yeah so we got some ideas yeah sweet so yeah that'll be yes that'll be in my garage on

Friday and last year if it's anything like that we'll get done on Friday and we went out to the bar for a little bit we all got some food and a few drinks on Friday night closer to downtown so that when everyone's done they can usually they're within a block or two of their hotel room so it's a pretty easy way to get back home yeah and everyone gets to participate in for crew falls what they do and don't want to because some people will only be there for Friday some people will only be there for Saturday and a whole bunch will be there for both so crew falls the people sometimes ask Oh, is it okay if I'm yada yada? Yes, it's okay to do whatever, you know,

catch whatever of crew falls that you want to. Nobody's obligated to do all parts of it, but the more the merrier. Yeah, I mean, if you're flying in, you want to take it easy. Hey, you can come over to my house Friday afternoon. And then when everyone goes out, you can say, nope, peace out. I'm getting, catch some sleep. And we'll say, cool, no problem. We will see you tomorrow.

And that is not a big deal either. It's however involved you want to be. Then on Saturday, I think we have to go to the original pancake house. I mean, we can't break that tradition. I feel like that one has to stick. That's a necessity. Yeah, that one, that one can't change. That's one of those annual eating destinations for massonomics that I now look forward to.

Like I, nothing, nothing's better. Nothing is actually better to me than when we go to the Arnold and we eat Hubert's Polish kitchen. I really look forward to that when it gets close to that. Yep, that one's always fun. This is getting the original pancake house morning massonomics breakfast of crew falls is getting up there for me. I got to say. What makes this one so fun. is there's so many people there.

You know, Hubert's is a good time and the food's amazing, but it's us and anywhere between one and four other people. Crew Falls is, it's us and 40 other people taking over a restaurant. And, you know, it's just, it's like everyone's so excited and the party's getting going and it's a good time.

Great way to kick off a Saturday morning. Yes. Then the lifting session will start at Lowe's, which isn't it right next to it? Mm-hmm. Yeah, which is great too. That'll start at approximately 10. We'll start filtering in there.

And the lifting session there will probably go for three hours, at least, I would say. Yeah, I think last year got down about one-ish, right in there. People will go wherever they want to for lunch, and then we'll have the evening get together, right? Yeah. Still getting some details worked out on all that. But yeah, Saturday evening get-together. and that usually turns into a little bit of bar hopping and explore in downtown.

Yep. So if you're a supporting member and any of this sounds fun to you, we'd love to have you get in on it. It doesn't cost anything to join crew falls outside of your travel and, you know, stay arrangements. You don't have to pay us, I guess at least. We get no financial reward out of this. I'm just kind of joking about that. That's not, but I'm just, my point is that's not our incentive for this. this is just a crew community activity that we put on that it's it's just fun yeah it may not

change your life as you know it but yeah you probably it could all it could if you go into it with the right attitude it might change something yes all right so that's crew falls get signed up on the website Keith as his tradition at the original pancake house every year orders just a platter of syrups and butter. I don't know why he thinks that that's a good breakfast choice, but every year he just orders a platter of syrups and butter. I guess if you've got a good thing going, why ruin it?

Yes. Okay. Should we do? I've got a few different things. here, but I'm wondering if we should do supporting our supporting members. Yeah, let's do it. I got a sports and book segment that I'd like for later, but I think we could save that for later.

Yeah, yeah, we'll save the one. Okay, so supporting our supporting members, it's a relatively new segment of the Massonomics podcast. It hasn't been around forever, but it's been around relatively decent amount of time. It's a segment where we give back to those that support Massonomics through

our official supporting membership. If you haven't signed up yet and you're a regular listener of the show, we'd love to have you get signed up. It is the number one way that we keep the lights on and I've got weird, you know, relatively expensive lights here. I don't know that they're particularly expensive to operate, but

they were... It's all kerosene lamps actually and kerosene. It's very expensive and time consuming to keep it keep them going. Yes. I have Indiana Jones torches in here. Hundreds of them in his house. I have Indiana Jones replica torches in here and they

are not cheap. It's an insane fire hazard in his house, but somehow he does it just on a tradition he can't it's a really dangerous can't put him out he's just that dedicated to it though yeah it's a whole aesthetic yeah the safety is you know secondary the primary thing but it is very expensive so in order for you to help us keep this thing going we'd really like if you could you know give us money through the supporting membership program just the tank of kerosene fuel he goes through on a weekly basis it's also how we heat and keep the mass on the basement lit.

They're again extremely dangerous as people are not even there for large periods of time but always worked out so far but that again only works because people sign up to become a supporting member. So please if you're not a supporting member yet

please consider becoming one or else it's going to get really dark in here and probably really cold in the winter without your support. Even darker than it is with those kerosene torches that don't put off any light. I would say it is like the number one way. It is the number one, number one thing that keeps massonomics rolling, though.

So if you are a regular consumer of this and other videos of ours and you generally like it, you don't even have to like every aspect of it. But if you just, even if you just tolerate us, if this is tolerable to you, even as just background noise, you can consider supporting us. You don't have to love it. Like, this doesn't have to be your favorite podcast ever to support us. Let's just say, if it's in your top 20, consider financially supporting. It's only fair. I mean, if it's your favorite podcast, you definitely should be supporting us, I think. But it doesn't have to be your favorite one to support us.

Absolutely not. You really, I don't even care if you like it. If you support it, I'd still be happy with that. If you don't even have to like it at all, it's not a requirement. You know, and if you financially support us, it might actually turn it into your, it's like the IKEA thing like you now feel like you have a part in it so self-fulfilling prophecy yes yeah so this week's supporting members big soup got third place in his local crossfit

competition hmm do you think he was inspired by our episode last week I think it was definitely directly related to episode 498 of the mass omics podcast I'm going to single-handedly save crossfit he's like I'll make I'll make it a thing damn it just watch me I live for a challenge. Oh, Big Soup is listening live. He said, yes, it wasn't. Okay, good, good.

Big Andrew Garrison competed in pulling for you strongman competition. He pulled a truck and got a 595 pound 13-inch deadlift. Big Mad Cowell. 595? 595 solid-ass pounds. So close to six hondo. Yeah, I just. I would round up if I was him.

Big Mad Cow hosted a King Kong Grip Challenge. He, Mad Cow, mostly squat videos Matt and Big Scott, three crew members all competed in it as well. And it looked like they all just had strong as hell grips, if you asked me. Love the way they were gripping stuff with their hands. Big Lisa, his fire department won, the annual CDTA breast cancer bus pull fundraiser.

Oh, a lot of vehicle pulling going on. Yeah. Let's see. Big Jake, the snake, ran in a marathon relay team. I think you ran about two and a half miles, I think, is what he said. Yeah, that's more than enough. Big Anthony mentioned it here. You got a horse doll mat grip, gripper PR at the gym this weekend.

I filmed it, actually. I think he moved into... So wait, is it legit or... It's on the record book. It's in the records. Okay. Did anyone else... Was anyone else there to verify that?

This wasn't an unbiased. I even was. Well, but I mean, you guys might be colluding something over there. He moved into fifth place, 161 pounds for the two-handed grip. Jeez. Yeah. So it reminds me, keep... Keep submitting your horse stall Matt Gripper records.

Man. We need more single-hand women's records. The easiest way for you to get a good spot on the record book right now would be to be a woman and to do a single-hand lift. You're going to get in the top 10 for sure. You'll for sure be within hitting distance of me. Yeah. Key said we need to go over the rules.

Well, the rules are posted on the website for anyone that wants to verify the rules. The biggest things are your hands need to be on top of the gripper. No hands on the side. The hands can be on the edge of the top, but they have to be on the top. A single-hand lift is with one hand. A double-hand lift is with two hands. Thumb can be on either side. Your fingers can be on either side.

Bumpy or not, you know, smooth, that doesn't make a difference. no other part of your body besides your hands can be used to physically touch the gripper or weight to assist the lift in any way you must load using some sort of a loading pin the weight is the total weight of the

you know the gripper the loading pin and the weight on there chalk's allowed no straps or tacky or any of that stuff and to be considered a lift there has to be a moment of lockout so a lot of people do really really really fast lockouts that basically don't exist is what I would say.

A lot of people do that. Most people submit, you know, at least 50% try to submit attempts where there is almost virtually no lockout, is what I would say. It doesn't have to be a long lockout. It just has to exist. There has to at least be a defined moment in time where, so if it just goes up and comes back down all in one motion, that would mean there's not a lock. out. There has to be a stopping point. And also lockout in the form of the two hand would mean

relatively straight knees and relatively shoulders back. You know, your shoulders don't need, it's kind of a weird thing. You don't put your shoulders as far back as you would on a regular deadlift because of where your hands are. Also on the single hand. Roll in their shoulders back on a right. On the single hand, what you'd commonly say is your off, your off hand shoulder is back, you know, because that would signify that you're kind of at lockout. But The way that that's actually judged because the one kind of tricky part of the judging is that lockout piece.

And there is a top secret panel of three. So every time someone sends me their sketchy looking version, it gets sent to them. And it requires two white lights to be a past list. It's out of our hands. We can't control this. Literally out of our grip. Big Garrett competed in his first strong man competition.

I think he did well there. Big Joe helped Big Joey re-hang a cabinet that fell off of his wall. I saw that. That was crew helping crew. Yep. You love to see it. And Big Hunter was this week's guest on Unpaid and Underrated. So that's another perk of being a supporting member.

Because you could be the next guest on our Brutty Little Sister podcast, Unpaid and Underrated. Thank you to this week's supporting our supporting member segment. Now should we do a certified. training facility of the week. I actually picked one out. Oh, you did. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, let's hear it. Let's put another shrimp on the bobby. Ooh. Lovely accent. Austria. Can you tell what I, can you tell what I was after there? Yeah. Iron Temple?

Yes. Okay. Adelaide. Yep. Is that what they say? I do not know. Okay. I don't know much about Australia

I don't either Never been Neither have I But Adelaide is down there That is getting down to the south end of Australia Southern coast of Australia Yeah Yep

Okay We got the Iron Temple So First up we got There's seven pictures to view here Oh there actually is wow okay Because the very first photo Has two racks in it

I can't quite tell They're both flat They almost seem identical, actually. I think they are outside of one has like a lap pull-down, rack-mounted lap pull-down in it. But otherwise, they're both flat-foot racks with the same style pull-up bar on them. They don't have, well, they do have some attachments on.

Twinning racks right here. With the twins. Sorry, that was delayed. It took me a minute to remember what button that was. I was really confused what was happening for a second. It's twin. It's Twins, Basel. Twins.

This one has a multi-flight shoulder-raise attachment on it, which I'm not sure we've seen anyone have one of those in their gym yet. Do you see that on that one? What is that? It has that shoulder-raise attachment on there, on the one on the left. Oh, that lat-raise thing. Yeah, yeah. What brand is that?

Well, I don't know. I'm just saying it's kind of like the Temple of Gaines multi-flight, you know. Right, right. I got you. It's a rack-rempted version of that. Yep. But then I see we got probably the, it's like the scout, the rogue reverse hyper scout.

Oh, yeah. Lying against the wall there. We got some human body diagram charts, some anatomy charts on the wall, which is good for when you're self-diagnosing, when you're lifted, you know, you can just go and say it hurts right there. That's best for figuring out your excuses of the white of the wall.

That's right. It's just an excuse chart. Pick a spot where it hurts. Show me where the powerlifting hurt you. Yeah, there's a bunch of bar. We're going to kind of go through this because there's seven photos. But I see there's a bunch of bars in the corner. I'm assuming some of these photos are going to show it better.

Yeah, photo two has all the bars then. We have a football bar or, hmm, do you think they call it that or like a soccer bar? What do you think they call it down there? In Australia, the angles are reversed. They are. It's all backwards. but a variety of power bars. He's got the Bowflex dumbbells down there, doesn't he?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, the 552s are sitting down there. It looks like some type of Viking press attachment, too, I think, in the corner there. Oh, yep. We got an SSB. It's look at Photo 3. Photo 3 shows.

Easy curl bars in that rack, too, the silver Easy Curl. Oh, yeah, it is down there. Good spot, good spot, yep. Photo 3, we got a close-up of one of the racks. this has to be a room in the house because that looks like a sliding or is that a balcony? Is that a patio door to the exterior?

Is it that or is it a balcony? I can't tell if I've seen bars around. I can't tell. But yeah, either way, it does appear to be a door to the exterior. I think we've covered everything else. I don't know how they typically you know,

style their homes in Australia. Right. You know, the cultural differences are just so incredibly vast down there. No one would ever know. So they got the Silly Goose Bar club flag power lifting flag certified training facility obviously we got some speakers kettlebells a shelf with a bunch of stuff on it what do we got on this shelf up close oh it says like attachment

ab wheel foam roller yoga pad yoga mat all that stuff laid on there shoulder rock thing maybe yeah i see a little it looks like a little DIY chalk bowl mounted on the wall right there got a TV of course too okay photo six we got some plates drink spotter XL on there we must have shipped one of those all the way down under yeah he's got loadable loadable dumbbells yep right on the front there I can't tell what

plates those are for sure then we got some wall control with a bunch of different attachments that might just be pegboard painted black oh yeah I think that is yep it looks Like just circular holes. Pro tip. Also, yep, no one's stopping you from doing that.

That is an option too. Or it just comes black, actually, probably. Yeah. They're doing crazy things with pegboard these days. Yeah. Really changing the game. And that is pretty much it. Yeah, we got the plates, the bands, all that good stuff.

So what do you think? Do you think you could get strong in the Iron Temple if we were down under? Oh, hey. Hell yeah. Did you see it in the foreground? He has a deadlift platform. Did we mention the foreground? Oh, you know, actually we didn't because I thought for sure there'd be another photo

that would show that off more in there was not. Yeah, it looks like a nice deadlift platform in the foreground. Yeah, it looks like a custom built wooden one. Yep. Oh, yeah, we're getting strong in there for sure. Okay, this week's episode is brought to you by our good friends over at Barefoot. You can check them out at barefoot. That's B-E-A-R-F-O-O-T.

Bear as in GER. Barefoot. Store as in Chuching. So it's gur-ch-ch-ing. So you're no longer forgetting that web address. If Barefoot is too hard of a word for you to remember, just remember those two noises together. And you'll never forget. Chuching.

that is um what's that course that i had to take uh improv no i mean it's kind of like that but you have to if they teach you how to remember people's names and that's how you do uh god i keep wanting to say dave ramsie but that's obviously not what it is um yeah it's just very popular everyone knows what it is uh like a brick like a toastmasters or something yeah not like what's this course you take that it's like people skills and like a leadership course. Yeah, but it's really popular. Yeah, you're still just not quite there.

Let me Google a stupid course where you learn to remember people's names. Dale Carnegie, there is. There you go. Thank you. Big Gary always coming in clutch. I knew hundreds of people would be screaming it as I can forget. Is that how to win friends and influence people? Is that Dale Carnegie?

I think so, right? Yep, I think so. I have read, you know, that's how influential. it was to me. I can't even remember the name and the name is very, very famous. But yeah, Dale Carnegie, there's a lot of, you learn a lot of tricks for remember people's names. And I think this is how you'd remember barefoot. You go, Gur, Cheching. Isn't it on the office? Isn't Michael's whole trick is just things not to say to people? Wasn't that the episode? It's like, okay, has a gay son, something else. He's like, how is your gay son? He's like, no, you're

supposed to say any of that those are things not to say so go to barefoot dot store now that you can remember the web URL buy yourself a pair of oh so gen 2 with the black upper and the white and if you have a hard time remembering what shoe the also is just remember whenever you see you go it's oh so great that's oh you go oh so that one yeah the oh so that one yeah the oh So, okay, that's how you remember the name of the show. Oh, so that's that one. Yep, I get it. I remember it.

They also have the ursus, the Ozo, not to be confused with the Oso, which you could never confuse again after this. No. Yeah, check them all out. Barefoot. Store, use discount code, Massonomics. It'll save you 10% on every single shoe that you buy there. Thank you, Bearfoot. I think that's good for ads right now.

think or do i got one or no or no i got one i got one um but but but this episode is also brought to you by build fast formula i'm getting a little worried here tanner my internet is not working but we're still talking so if i if i drop out at any moment it was good it was good knowing everyone if this ever yeah we really will end on episode 499 how is your how is it this happening then if you're in well i don't you've been a little choppy on me since okay we started and okay the page opened up but this is going extremely slow apparently is all it's going on but uh build fast formula it's just what works supplements should simply work most don't because you're sold a line a vibe and a boilerplate formula loaded with crap you don't need

build fast formula they don't do that they do things a little different there uh i made the mistake of wanting to click on one of these and read some details but my internet's being released here we go 8020 protein i wanted to tell you about their protein today because it is my favorite product of theirs. 8020, where does that name come from? 80% casein, 20% way protein. It's nature's protein ratio. It comes in a variety of great flavors like vanilla ice cream,

chocolate lava cake, which is my go-to. Cinedoodle, peanut butter chocolate. All four of the flavors are great. Highly recommend them. And it mixes great. So what are you waiting for? Add some of this into your life. They also got a good selection.

of pre-workout of nitric oxide formula and also a supplement that combines the two if you want to get something a little crazier with their blitz full blitz and nitric oxide supplement so if you want to get something for yourself head on over to buildfastformula.com use code massonomics and you can save 10% on your next purchase massonomics code massonomics build fast formula should we kick off these live listeners as though you can save some of the for you and I. Yeah, let's get them out of all the internet. They're stealing all the bandwidth.

Yep. And I didn't mention it before when we did certified training facility of the week, but you could become a certified training facility also. I think we have over, we have over 375 of them now. Go to massanomics.com slash certified. That's where you can see the full map where everyone that's on there. Actually, as we were talking, another one just joined up. It's Wilson's Iron House gym in Ohio.

Oh, well, welcome. Yeah. So you could too get joined up. You get a special signed certificate showing off your certification. You get a banner, some unique stickers that are just for this program. And you get to go on the map is probably the coolest part. So check out the map if you haven't looked at it already. And when you do sign up, or if you're an existing certified training facility already, send us pictures. You can email those to us or DM them however you need to. Get us pictures sent to your gym and we'll get those. added. All the pictures make the map that much cooler. So we'd love to have your pictures of your gym to get to get added. Do you boot everyone off? They're out of here. Oh, yeah. You know what that means?

Yes, I do. It's time for our title topic of the week. Getting to it at a considerably earlier 45 minutes this week. We are honest. our focus is so dialed in right now. We're dialed in and we're going to do basically it's four years of juggernaut AI

what have we learned colon deep dive conversation m dash what do we like best about it semicolon check mark emoji bullet check mark emoji bullet check mark emoji bullet checkmark emoji bullet yes

yes so it can be of our notes after using juggernaut AI both of us for a very long time maybe some pros, cons um you know when we we use juggernaut AI I guess some of it

it just probably has to do with using a app based training program you know a strength training program it's a lot of will be a lot of simulators used to this and anyone that fits in that bucket but ours is specifically juggernaut AI. And it's worth mentioning again, discount code. Mastonomics

will save you 10% for the lifetime of your membership. This really isn't an ad. It is just us talking about using it, but also it's an ad. Discount on Mastonics. It is both and all of those things. But we actually wouldn't be talking about it if we didn't believe in it and

genuinely I haven't been using it, if we hadn't been using it this many years. So I'm very curious because you told me, what was your first date that you think you started? I could find September of 2021. Which blows my mind. I cannot believe it has been over four years

since I first started using it. And that makes sense because the oldest thing I could find. They actually, when we're saying why it's confusing is because they've changed the app or they've updated the app quite a bit over the years, which is one of the great things about it. But now they make the history pretty easy to find. The oldest lift I could find is I could find a comp bench

dated from April of 22, which would be about seven months after you, which that's what I thought. I was like, I think Tanner was using it for a little while before I got on it. And, yeah, that was the earliest lift that I could find on my program when I went back through. Okay. So, I mean, my full disclosure, I haven't used it nonstop for four years. I, well, I certainly took a break when I tore my ACL and, like, really wasn't doing real programming because of that recovery process.

There may have been one other time in there You tore the other ACL, so there was that one too. Oh, tore the other ACL, so there was that. And I was actually post to that. Actually, when I did the 2024 Mastonomic Strongman competition, I actually changed my training a little bit there where I don't think I was specifically using Juggernaut for a while as I was kind of peaking for that program.

So I've used it for four years, not exclusively for four years, but I would say I probably, you know, cumulatively used it for three, something like that, somewhere in that ballpark. And I'm pretty similar in that, and that when I go back through mine, there was just basically unless I'm hurt, I'm running juggernaut.

And if I'm hurt, I'm just, I'm actually still kind of running juggernaut. I'm just scaling down, usually like the compound or the primary movements to make something a little easier. But then I'm usually sticking to the accessories. So I guess for the, I probably ran it 90% of,

my training since I've since I've started right um so I don't know how we want to slice and dice this cucumber but let's start let's start with a stat right here okay when I open the app this is something they've added in the last year so there's a history tab when I go to history there is a total friggin history guy again over there's a total lifted pounds and average lifted pounds what's the average per time I think that's per session yeah how many pounds you're lifting in total. So I've never looked at this before. I don't think I have either until now.

It's just funny. The app has a ton of stuff in it. And like I said, they're always adding to it. I, for the most part, just stick to my programming. I don't play around with a bunch of other stuff. But there is more stuff in there.

And my average lifted, let's start with the average lifted pounds. Or do you want to start with the total? Well, when do you want to start with Tanner? Let's do total. Okay. Let's do it. Okay, we'll start with total.

First number. My total lifted pounds. This is every time you curl a dumbbell, a 20-pound dumbbell, like that's going into the total. Every time you do a... I'm curious if yours could be bigger than mine. Well, it could just because of number of workouts. Yeah, yeah.

I'm wondering if yours is higher. But also you lift more than me, so maybe not. My total lifted weight is 3,586,175 pounds. So we're pretty close. Mine's 4,224-601. Ooh. Got me about about a half million. And so then average lifted, or would you say four what?

$4,224,600,000 there. I got to get, I got to get after it in the gym. We've got to get some reps in. Start lifting more pounds. Yeah, my average lifted then is 12,808 pounds. It meant 19,290. Well, you know, the other big difference is I lift three days a week. You live four.

Right. So you're definitely going to get it. So what's an average of, of per day? No, I'm assuming it's, yeah, a number of days. are your total lifted weight by the number of workouts you have, right? Right, right. That's, yeah, that would make sense to me. And then it's got the bar chart divided by strength, hypertrophy,

peaking, bridge. There's some intensity lines in there, too. There's an intensity line that's kind of hard to... Well, it gets, because it's so far out that it gets hard to see. Right, right. What you're looking at. Okay. Yeah, pretty cool.

Yeah, I never look at that one. It shows you your history of like every single day if you scroll down. Yeah, it does. Every day ever is in there. Just quite a bit. Yeah, so like my last day was an hour and 34 minutes and I lifted 11,000,000, or wait, 11,320 pounds. But the day before that, I lifted 20,205 pounds. It's going to depend.

not a lot if it's an upper body day or a lower body day too. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I have. Like my last three days are 15,000 pounds, our 15,700, 21,000 pounds, and 13,000 pounds. Yeah. Okay. So we got some statistics out there,

some of our personal stats. I guess that that goes to show that we are using this. We're not lying. We put the time in. Yeah. Okay. What else do we got then? Where do we move?

to next on the juggernaut. Oh, boy, because there really is a lot to, because we kind of want to explain this to someone that's maybe not on it as to like why, why we like the app and what's good about it. I guess just high-level things, why we, I really do feel like it works. Like, I, that's why ultimately why I stick with it is I do feel like it works. And I do feel like it keeps training interesting in the way that it changes it up

with the phacic structure from, you know, possibly a bridge block if you want to do one of those to hypertrophy to strength training to then peaking and i feel like i've learned a lot about programming and lifting through this you know i'll be the first to admit i haven't read a ton of books on the intricacies of programming and the concepts behind it like i yeah that stuff's interesting and stuff i just haven't taken a ton of time to do that but through this i really do feel like i have learned a lot about how that process should work and knowing like where you get strong you know how to get strong you know how to get strong, stay strong on user strength. You know, those three key words right there.

Classic, massonomics. Yes. But to use this, you don't really need to have had to have read a lot of that either. No, no, you wouldn't. You wouldn't. No, and that's the thing is I hadn't actually read like hardly anything before I started this outside of this random online articles. But going through this, though, it really does teach you just through experience through some of the concepts behind why you're doing what you're doing. You start to see how this makes sense and that oh no you don't just need to be running heavy doubles and triples year round to uh yeah stronger yeah so the basic structure of the programming is it's going to give you a long window most typically many many weeks you know probably if

you let it pick for you um you can pick some of this stuff you can pick a meat day or you can let it pick uh what it thinks is a natural training cycle for you but uh if you let it pick It's going to be like 20-some week long. Yeah, it wants to, by default, create about a six-month program for you is what it wants to do. And again, the app you can customize just about anything. So, you know, if you want to do an eight-week program, you can, you can tell it that. But I think it's going to be at its best when you just let it do it the way it wants to do it. Yes.

And then it's going to lay it out in training blocks. And the different training blocks are going to be hypertrophy, strength, and peeking. and then there's also going to be juggernaut bridge blocks in there if you want there to be, which are a little bit different. But most people are probably familiar with the concepts of hypertrophy, strength, and peaking, where hypertrophy is going to be a little bit higher rep, usually. Maybe some exercise selection that's farther away from competition lifts. Then strength is going to get more specific, more commonly closer to competition lifts.

the number of reps per set are going to go down and the amount of weight, the intensity that you're lifting is going to go up. And usually there'll be multiple hypertrophy blocks stacked on each other that kind of build off of each other. And then there's going to be multiple strength blocks that are stacked on each other that build on each other. And by your third strength block, the amount of reps and, intensity are probably going to be shifted even from your first.

By the last one, the reps are going to be at its lowest and the intensity, the weight on the bar is going to be at its highest. And then that leads you into the peaking phase, which I've almost said to people before you don't have to do if you're not someone that's competing or that you're not interested in testing. I mean, I kind of would because it's just, if nothing else, it's a metric of, is this working for me? And it's good to go through.

Which you can pick up on that anyways if your numbers. Yeah, you'll know. But it's just a good thing to go through an experience once, too, because if you do decide to do a meet or take something seriously to just go through that whole process and understand how that feels, I think, is a good benchmark. Yep. And then it's going to be, you know, that peaking block, really with all the blocks, they're usually three, between three and five weeks long. I'd say five weeks is most common with one of those weeks being a delode. Yeah, I mean, they're always four weeks with, yeah, they're mostly four weeks, aren't they? Yeah, maybe most common is four weeks.

Yeah, you typically have like, yeah, it typically works in like four-ish week blocks where it's three weeks leading up to, you know, an RP 10 week or a testing week. And then it follows it by a delode and then you ramp back into the next one. And here's one thing I'd say, and this starts to get into the weeds on, okay, just two things. First thing, more broadly speaking, there's a lot of people out there that have a lot of different opinions on different style training. You know, this uses, is based off of basically their scientific principles of strength training, which is a book, which is the book. And this is mostly based on that. And I'm not here to say that this style training is better than your style of training or anything like that.

I can just say I like this and that it works pretty well for me. And it makes sense to me. There's a lot of nuances within the training that, like, fall into that that some people don't like as well. and some people like more. And one of the criticisms I know would be, well, this has a built-in delode every fourth week. And some people would be like, well, why do you, like I don't need to delode every four week.

It's kind of a wasted week. And why do you delode when you don't know if you need to, you know, you don't necessarily need to? And what I would say about that is just my one counter to it for people that I haven't done it for. I'm not even defending it. I'm just telling you the way I experienced that is that delode week is not doing nothing. And I'm not,

most people know that a delode doesn't mean doing nothing. Yeah. The delode is still like, you're still lifting in the gym. Right. I think some people would think that, okay, well, let's just say, just for even numbers, like if your max squat is 400 pounds, you know, on delode week, you're not going in and squatting 100 pounds and doing, like, no. You're still going to, you're probably going to be at like in that 50-ish percent range on your

delode week, but. And that's just for the primary movement. Right. On your accessory lifts, you're really almost. changes they're just going to pull out a few sets basically is you know your your time in the what it ends up being is a a week in the gym where you don't have to spend quite as much time and you still yeah you're dropping the ball you're dropping the intensity but the accessories for the most part are still there right and you can still get a pretty good pump that week and it's usually

welcome to me actually also every time i get to it i'm like okay sweet that's my thing because maybe when you're younger it's a different game but a delode happens because the week before you were doing RP 10 and so like on a you know in in an early phase strength block here you might be let me just see actually really quick as an actual example um let me get it open up here in it's like an early phase strength block you might be doing like a a comp squat so like your your Monday might be one set of six reps at 10 N-R-P-E, and then you'll follow that up with three back-down sets of six reps. And that's one, in theory, the hardest set of six you could possibly do and finish it.

And then you're following that up with three more sets of six that aren't exactly easy. And by the time you're done with that day, that's really hard. And then later in that week, you're also going to be benching. And depending on how your day, you might have deadlifted the week before. But if you're going that hard, you really shouldn't be able to come in and lift. even more the next week. Like, if you can, to me, you didn't go hard enough that previous week that you're just totally recovered and ready for more.

So that, in my experience, the delode week is always very welcome. I'm always totally ready for it. Very welcome. And I don't think it's as easy as some people might think just by the word delode. Like, it's still a training week. Like, it's, you're not just sitting on the couch eating bonbons for the week. Like, it's still getting to the gym and doing something significant. And it's preparatory for.

your following weeks because it's going to get hard again after that you know you're going to have three more pretty intense weeks again after that so that would just be one thing that i i see people mention sometimes and that would be my one i guess sort of defense or just just my explanation of uh you know how i experience that delode where it's just not it's it's not nothing it's still a significant week kind of yep uh another thing i this is kind of related to that possibly too. Well, I don't know. What do we want to cover too? Because I got like some some things I like about it or just some things that I think are unique about it. I'll say one of the pros that I really enjoy about it. And this is, I mean, any training log,

but they make it very easy here is when you're adding in accessories and changing things and depending on how you keep track of your movements, the history, again, the history part, the history of your movements, like, I don't know, I haven't done. Like, actually, this is a perfect example, I had not done just straight up tricep pushdowns in my gym in forever. And I'm like, you know what? I'm ready to add that movement back in. And I grabbed it off the accessory list because it was saying, you need a tricep. You need a trice movement here. It provides a list of 15 tricep exercises. You pick the one you want. I go with push downs. I couldn't remember the last time I did them. Right there on the list, it says, here was the last date that you recorded one of these

movements. And here is the weight you used. And on some accessories, it's like, well, I kind of have a good idea where I'm going to be at anyways. But it is just nice having that really easy logbook that's right there of all of your movements, the last day you did them, the amount of weight you did, the number of reps, what you rated it from an RPE standpoint. And it makes it really easy to hop back in and take off right where you left it. Yeah, I really like the tracking of this. And that's not unique to Juggernaut app, you know, any lifting app. I think that that's table stakes. it should have that. But I always used a logbook before anyways,

but it is not the same as you. It's categorized by the lift. You know, you don't have to scroll around. It's just like, ah, this specific lift, what is my training history on that? Which is awesome. Yeah, because I think the last time I did tricep pushdowns was like four months,

four and a half months ago or something. And you would have just going through page after page after page in a written training log to find that and know what you did. And the big perk about that is, a so you can calibrate right immediately when you start you kind of know then what weight and rep range relatively should be at compared to your past self

and on the accessory lifts I feel like that's really helpful because I've mentioned this before but I think what people do is they just think for dumbbell lateral raises I do the 20s just like I've done every day for the last 10 years and I will do for the next 10 years Yes, I'm a guy that uses the 20s for that. Or when I do incline dumbbell curls, I use the 30s or whatever it is.

And then you say, I guess I do use the 30s, but I actually did that four weeks in a row. And the RPE, like, because I wasn't lying, that was just not hard. I like, none of those sets were actually a challenge at all. So then it's like, why am I doing that? That or the day that, you know, because a lot of the accessories, it wants you to be anywhere between that 10 and 15 rep range. Right. And on the day where, you know, it might say 12 to 15 and then it makes that jump to 8 to 10,

you're like, okay, I'm doing three or two to four less reps. I really should be doing more weight here. You know, if we're dropping reps out, I can't honestly say my RP is going to keep the same. That's been another thing. It's kept me a lot more honest on my accessories. And I think it actually allows you, helps you to progress those a little bit, the lifts that are harder to progress because of that tracking. It keeps you accountable for it too.

Yeah. So you don't just get lazy on it. The other thing, okay, I'm just going to talk about this because you did it. The exercise is what I like about it, and I think that this, maybe some people aren't as familiar with this about it, is you can add any exercise into this that you want to. So at a place like Massonomics gym, we buy the Arsenal Strength row. I have a lift that says Arsenal Strength Row. We get a...

So, because maybe in a different exercise app, it might just say chest supported row. And you're like, okay, and you're like, is that on the Hammer Strength row? Was that on the Arsenal one? What was I doing that on? So I have the hammer strength.

You know, and I kind of picked this up from Ross at the gym where he literally will name the freaking, you know, it's the Hammer Strength Row. It's the Arsenal Strength Row. and then you literally it's like or it's the ATX pendulum squat this is the weight I do you know so I have all those added and then I have the exact history and it would apply to a home gym as well you know like people to get starting to get a lot of stuff and you can just build out those exercises what any any exercise that's kind of limit limitless there the adjustability as far as exercise selection not only that you can even you can swap out the primary exercises too depending on what your goals and this isn't necessarily my recommendation to people as they're trying the program out but what i've done like what i'm doing right now i do none of the competition lifts like for this entire i didn't do any for the hypertrophy

block and i made the decision for this strength block i'm not doing any or for all of my strength blocks i'm not doing any of the competition lifts so i just do front squat pendulum squat, trap bar deadlift, incline Smith machine press, and close grip bench press. Like those are kind of my main lifts, and then like a stiff-legged deadlift. And also along those lines, though, for people that aren't aware, like a lot of times in the hypertrophy block, it doesn't really want you to be doing the primary lifts a lot. You know, it wants you to be doing variations so that you're not doing six months straight of just comp style lifts the whole time.

Right. Well, and what I'm getting to is someone had asked me a while ago, we get a decent number of questions about Juggernaut since we've used it for so long and that we talk, we, you know, they're an advertiser of us and we talk about it. And someone asked me, oh, I train conjugate, could I use Juggernaut? Here's what my answer was to them. As far as the conjugate exercise variability, the selection of endless selection of exercises, as far as that goes, absolutely.

You could do that part of it. that part of it definitely work great for that. Actually, the beauty of that, when you come back to it in six months, you're like, oh, I haven't done this one in six months. What did I do? You're like, okay, that's great. But what it's, the reason I told the person no is because I'm like, well, that's an entire different training methodology in the sense that, yeah, this is the phasic structure

of hypertrophy, strength blocks, peaking blocks. and I feel like that's a little bit in the face of what conjugate the structure. You know, there's a structural difference. Yeah, you can change the exercises. Right, but at the end of the day, you're not, you don't have a max effort day and a speed day. Right. You know, there are elements of that in there, but it's not in the true West Side sense.

So, like, you're not getting that programming style. So I think if that's what you want, it would be a bad fit. I agree. And that's what I told him. You know, like the elements of it that I think work well for. are this what if you truly want to do that i don't think this is the app for that because i mean someone should make that app if there's enough demand for it and where it's even like the roulette wheel of uh uh exercise selection for the day it's like oh what you're going to get that

we two board chained yeah uh reverse band yeah give it all yeah but i just my opinion on that was no it's not for that, but I do really like the exercise adjustability to the program. Another thing that I like about it that I don't know if this was even out originally. Maybe it was, maybe got added later

as the bridge blocks. I don't know if those were originally implemented or not. I think they might have been because my earliest record on here is a, well, it might not have been when you started, but it looks like when I very first started, I started the whole thing with a bridge block. Yeah, because the reason I like that is you typically do them right after you're peaking

and before you get into a whole other thing. And after you do your peeking and probably a powerlifting meter, just testing, there is some monotony to all that training. I actually kind of like, I mean, monotony is one way to put it, but I actually kind of like that structure of training. But it is monotonous in some ways. And then that bridge block just gives you additional variation, your training for two, four, six, eight weeks, however long you want to implement it.

And it's way different training for that period of time. You know, the sets and the rep scheme and the, it's all based a lot around really short rest periods. So once you go from peaking with probably your longest rest periods to then testing that, doing a meet, and then getting to this, it's a complete 180 kind of in training style, which is just a good change of pace, I think. You don't have to do those But I think it's a good

A good addition to the program Just because of the timing of it Like I think it's the perfect time To switch it up if you're going to do that It's a good mental and physical break To not just go right back to Go in full force into power lifting style lifting again Right

And I do like the 20 plus some week training cycles Because the older I've gotten The longer I've lifted You know I've been lifting like this for I don't know, 15 years or more, I don't, 20, whatever. Eight weeks goes by in the blink of an eye. And I'm like, four weeks goes by that. Sometimes I'm like RP 10 week, it's been four weeks already.

Right. I was just last week I did RP, you know, I can't believe how fast it goes. Right. So I really like the long training window where you can like see something play out over a long period of time is valuable to me. You do a little bit of this or you stick with this for, year and you'll look back on an eight or 12 week program and think eight to 12 weeks that's not enough to get good at anything how do those programs exist um there is it is changing a lot too

like that it's not a dead app in the sense that it just exists well you know they've added other programming to it i know they've added more strong man they've actually changed because you can do power lifting power building and then you can do some hybrid version of that are you doing a hybrid one now. I was on. I had to switch though. It was just, it was just too time consuming. I just didn't have the time to get through those workouts. It was too much for me. Yeah. I like the traditional powerlifting. For me, that's as good as it gets. The other one was fun. It's just, I just did not have enough time to be doing these combo sets and these other things. It's, you know, busy guy over here. My defense of the powerlifting specific programming is that there is plenty of accessory movements.

Oh, I agree. You are not lacking in additional exercise. is another critique of the program for some of the done it is have done it that it is that it just takes a long time training sessions and I mean it's pretty pretty dictated by the person to person too where if you take shorter rest periods on the accessories you can still get it done I mean most workouts you won't be getting done in less than an hour yeah yeah it depends on the like usually on a dealode week I can get done in less than an hour if I need to but I would say that. Yeah, an RPE 10 week, for sure, you're going to be dialed in and, you know, doing everything you can, maximum rest time, all that. Like, you're not going to be rushing those weeks. And then it's not weird for me to train for 90 minutes on those days. I think an hour and a half is a pretty safe bet on those days.

Yeah. But on other days that are more moderate in between, you can get done in seven, an hour and 10 minutes, an hour and 15 minutes, a little over an hour and 20. You know, it's average in there, but you can do it even. faster if you want to super set some of those accessories and just depending on just depending on how you want to handle those accessories I think but realistically on average your training sessions if you're doing the program are going to be over an hour and that's just that's just strength training if you really want to get better I think I mean if you're going into the gym for 30 minutes

a day three times a week I'm not sure how much not that you can't do anything and not that especially at a novice level that you couldn't get better you definitely could But at a certain point, you're going to run into where you just need to probably do a little more training than that, I think. Well, it's just hard to get volume in. Like, you would, to get the number of lifts in that you need to, you'd just be lifting nonstop from the second you get in the gym, no recovery time. And then, you know, eventually, eventually the quality of the lifting is just going to go down. But one thing I don't like about it very much is the just by the nature, the using of your phone in the gym where I, I just, it just annoys me where I'm like, I don't want to look at my phone right now,

but you need to enter, you know, because you do need to be entering it in as you're going. Yes. So you do report. Primary movement. Yeah, after every lift, you should be reporting back to your phone saying how it went because it will. Like if you're reporting things as being really easy, it's either going to up the weight or add more sets on you. And if you waited until you were all done with a movement to do it, it's not going to give

you the live feedback that you need. So yeah, to use it effectively, you really do need to be reporting after every single movement that you're doing or after every single set. And yeah, it just, it involves being on your phone. A couple tips I would say there. A few things to think about. If you are an Apple user, I'm sure Android has the same thing is if you're the type of person that actually has issues where every time you go to your phone, you're getting

distracted and you're hopping on social media, you're hopping on Discord, you're hopping on whatever, you're checking your email and it's becoming an issue in the gym. You might want to look at something like focus modes or do not disturb where you you hit the gym button and Juggernaut AI the app is on and working and everything else is kind of set to do not disturb for that time

and that might help you with the notification thing if you're having issues with that part of it. Yeah, that's something I should do and that would probably It gets hard though man. It's hard. And I just don't, I'd like to not babysit you know, in math,

they're again, if you're in your home gym, it doesn't matter as much, but just babysitting your phone around the gym I think is, it's just a little annoying to me. You know, it's just like, it's just is distracting by its nature. It is. It just like peels away from the focus a little bit. You know, and I'm very guilty.

Like, and then I need to do what you just said right there, but I also don't want to do that. I know. I know. Well, I want to see if there's something. I know. Sometimes I'm like. That's the duality of that. On certain days, especially like a heavier day between like just constantly checking juggernaut to get, you know, see

the numbers follow where I'm at, what needs to happen, getting the perfect song for the mood, getting the phone set up to take video. I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm like on my phone and in between being on my phone, I'm going to lift. But that's just how certain days go. You know, like that's, I try not to do that typically. Yes. And people have that issue even if they don't have training apps on their phone. Right. Right. They do specific to that. I'll say one common, I personally have not experienced this, but one common criticism that you'll see people bring up with Juggernaut is like crazy volume or crazy. I mean, really it's crazy volume. Seems to be the most common thing. I've been using what I say since 2022. So two, three and a half years. I've never had

an experience with that. The only time I get, I wouldn't even say excessive volume, but extra volume added is a lot of times when I'm restarting a block for whatever reason, it keeps my, it always tends to keep my bench, an incline bench on the lighter side. And I typically am like giving it a of RP sixes, five and a half, things like that. And usually when I do that, after long enough, it starts throwing in extra sets on me, which is fine because it's easy for me. But I've seen like Paul's a classic example of somehow he gets these sets of like

10 on bench. And I don't know how or what he's doing that does that. Because he'll post those screenshots occasionally. I think Grayson maybe a few times has posted some screenshots of some kind of crazy volume. But that seems to be the main criticism. I see people have with the app. And yeah, personally for me, that has never happened.

So I don't know what causes that. The closest I ever get to that is on some bench variations on some like hypertrophy days, I might get like six sets occasionally. More common it would be four or five, but I have gotten like six on occasion. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's a lot of volume. You know, if I got to do six sets of eight or something, I'm like, that's more than I'm used to. but I also sort of trust the process in the sense that I'm like, well, it's, over time, this is what it's thinking I need in terms of volume to grow my bench and it might be accurate.

Yeah. It might just might not be wrong. But yeah, I've never gotten those wild ones that people have shown. I'm not saying this is what causes that, but it does remind me too. A lot of it is just very dependent on the information that you're feeding it. So you can't just bullshit every single thing. if you're always just putting everything at like well middle middle middle and what tanner's referring here to is before you start every day you answer a questionnaire with you know how much you slept you know overall calorie intake you know did you eat enough are you recovered how does your back feel how do your legs feel how does your chest feel how do your arm's feel so you're answering that questionnaire and then as you warm up on on the main movements at least it has a warm up questionnaire for you too like how did 135 feel how did two 25 feel how did three 15 feel and you're answering it every step of the weight there too and then you perform your

lifts and after each lift you're also telling how it feels and it's going to adjust on those and then when you're done with the day you're also reporting in overall how the day felt as well too and all of those numbers together add up to give you what actually they call their readiness yeah their readiness score which is going to dictate weight suggested number of sets suggested yeah so what tanner was getting at there is like if you show up every day saying I feel amazing. Everything's easy. This is super easy.

Get done with the day. Oh, it's going to start like eventually just throwing more and more at you because it's going to say, no, this should not feel easy at a certain point. If you feel like shit, you need to say like, oh, man, I or like that, that workout was brutal. Like if that's what you leave feeling, you've got to tell it that. Because that's going to dictate how it's going to program the next day and the next week and all that. Otherwise, it's like, well, we gave you six sets of 10. And you still thought it was just average, you know, like, oh, we got to find a point where

Yeah, like, oh, this guy has unlimited recovery. Because if you do, if you can just keep recovering, yeah, throw more at you. Like, that's how you grow, you know. So, and that's not saying that's what those guys are doing, but no, no, but some people. That is a thing. Yeah, I'm not understanding how to report correctly. Yeah. Some of the additional programming, you know, the strong man and there's been some other ones,

I don't know if those are as ironed out as the powerlifting style training is. You know, I don't think those are just as in-depth programs as the way that the whole the power lifting system works. They're not. They're not as, they're just not as, like, detailed of a program like that's not as advanced as the, if this, then that scenario is just there's not as much involved in those as there is with the power lifting training. So I don't know, not saying they're bad.

I've never done them, but I just don't know that there is good. generally speaking, if that's the style training that you're after. Yeah, and same for me, never done them, so I don't have any input on those either. What else about Juggernaut? I guess what it has taught me, and I know we've talked about this several times, is it really makes you feel like where you get stronger and where you make progress is just the building of momentum over time, like those hypertrophy blocks, it might seem like lighter weight and a lot of reps, but no, those matter. Those do matter and those

build right into strength blocks. And those strength blocks when you're 16 weeks out, those matter. And it's by the time you get to a peaking block, you know, when you're four weeks out, you realize like, no, I've already built all the strength I have. Now I'm just going to spend the next four weeks mastering the skill of expressing the strength. And it is that whole thing of like, you know, you're building the hay, you know, you're putting the hay in the bar. You know, we always joke about it. but you're really putting the hay in the barn for, you know, on a 24-week program, you're putting the hay in the barn for the 16 weeks leading up to it.

And then, like, those last eight weeks are just kind of like dialing everything into perfection. Like, you're not just magically getting stronger the last four weeks of your program. That's not how it works. Right. Yeah, that's a good point. My, yeah, I guess that's kind of covers my main points. I guess do you got any more to find? fire on. I guess I have like a closing, my closing opinion on it too. Um, I would,

all right. There's a lot of angles and things you can look at this from. Ultimately, it does come down to, if you think any of this sounds interesting, like we can talk about all you want, but if you think any of it sounds interesting, like sign up for a month and just see how, you'll figure out in a hurry. If, if this really does not work for your brain, you're going to be checked out and you're going to know. And yeah, you gave it an honest try and you can be done and, and not, worry about it. But we can talk about all we on. At the end of the day, you do just need to try it and see if it works for you. But I just distract myself with that. What was I going to say about this? I totally lost my train of thought there, Tanner.

Well, along the line of what you're saying, what I was thinking is there is a ton of ways to get stronger. And I'm not going to ever say this is the only way. Yes. Okay. I, Am I couldn't you offer? Can I say? No, you go ahead. Okay, I remember what I was going to say. Part of it is, is I also do believe that Juggernaut AI, just like you were saying, as a way to get strong, is a way to also keep you motivated and engaged because there is

the thing of, it's not cheap by any means. I mean, it's, you know, we use discount code Masonomics and you're at like, what, $32 a month or something. Like, it's not insanely expensive, but it's also more than $0 if you're doing it yourself. But there's a few things that come with that. And one is you could say it's a game. defying fitness to a certain extent. You know, it has your app, your program,

your training. It's all in here. You also have... And it looks good. And it looks good. You know, the app interface all looks really good. Yeah, it looks good. It's fastest responsive.

It's always getting updated. So, but you have some financial stake in it. And I feel like for some people, that's what they need to be committed to something is, is they don't have any skin in the game, just writing something down on a piece of paper. And it's really easy to just quit and change your plan and jump off this and jump off that.

But when you really really. sign up to it. You're like, nope, my plan is built. Here it is. I'm four months out. The treadmill's going. If I take two weeks off, the whole thing's broken. You know, like it doesn't work. You can't just take a few weeks off of this program and hop back in later. Like the, there's no way you can, you know, like the train has left the station. You know, the weights are going to be too hard. You're not ready for that point in training. And I think it's just a really good way of keeping you accountable while also keeping training fun and interesting along the way. Yeah, I think so too. And that's where I'd say, you know, I've done just templates before printed those off.

And I'm not going to discourage anyone from doing those. I think that those can work really well. Actually, for a lot of beginners, I'd say that's probably a great place to start. Run some different templates for a lot. Programs like Jackals that we've talked about for years, like it's a great program. I mean, pretty much everyone. You know, I mean, everyone knows all the different. Like those work and I'm fans of those all have a time in place that I'm,

I'm a fan of those as well. Also, if you want to pay a coach, I wouldn't discourage someone from doing that either. It's going to be more expensive. We've talked about it before. There's pros and cons that go along with that. So that might be better for someone too, which is totally fine.

But what I would just say is I really feel like Juggernaut AI does work. So like from our perspective, and us using it, but also a lot of people in Massonomics gym use it. And I've seen people that have trained for a lot of years that have then got on this and made more problems. than they had been making before that. Larry's a great

case study on this. Larry Legend is a great example. He's been as consistent as anyone you'll ever meet. He's what 40 something now, 48 hitting all-time PRs. For 25 years. I mean, I don't know if there was. There was probably never a stretch in the past. There's probably never been a stretch

since I've known Larry where he couldn't squat 405 for 10 reps. Like there's probably never been a stretch where he's but now he's squatting over 600 pounds for the first time finally yes and it's deadlifting over 600 for the first time and he's benching over you know he's crept all of his numbers up yeah and it's not like it's not like he just magically one day was way way stronger it was like no he just kept he's he got on juggernaut a couple years ago year and a half ago two years ago and he just kind of stuck with the programming and trusted the process and

it's just where he thought he was tapped out all of a sudden he's making steady progress again and it's just things keep going along and you look at and after a couple years like oh yeah all those lifts went up 10 pounds over this block and 10 pounds over this block and all a sudden it's adding up to new lifetime PRs for him and he's just one example but like he's an example of a guy that's at an advanced level you know right both in it still worked very experienced I mean my brother he used it to get to a 700 pound deadlift for the first time and that's a guy that was good at deadlifting he was already deadlifting 650 or something like that.

Yeah, but just could quite get over the hump and that was, yeah, what got him to 700. And I mean, those are just two of the examples. But yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, I had an all-time bench PR in this. And if you were to ask me, I feel like, I don't know, in my head, I've, I'm not a bad bencher. I'm also not like a world-class,

I'm not an amazing benchery. I mean, there's a lot of guys in Massanomics gym that can bench four plates. So like, to me, I was like, okay, whatever, I'm an averageist benchers. That was the number, that was the thought in my head. Yours is considerably better. better now than it was.

Well, it is because, and when I think about it, like, when we used to, on bench days, go in the gym and just be, you know, you'd chugged that white monster, I'd be just hyped out of my mind. And it was just like pure adrenaline, just going crazy and hitting bench so hard. And I'm not saying I'm not putting a ton of effort in, but I think of it, like, I just feel like my approach is so different. And my bench just goes up. And it was, it was kind of stuck for me for a couple of years there.

you know, it was making steady progress. And then once I got over like 325 or right in that 325 range, just whatever I was doing, it kind of stayed there for two, three years and it didn't move. And all of a sudden, a couple of years of juggernaut. And it's just, I'm just, I blew right by that. And it, I don't know. It works, man.

It just works. It just works. All right. Anything else? I guess the final thing would be, if anything there that we said sounded interesting, even if you don't plan on doing a powerlifting meet and you just want to say,

hey, I just want to take a little crack at getting stronger here. I just need some new direction, new goals in the gym. Go to juggernaut AI.com. Use code massonomics. You're going to be around $32-ish dollars a month. And give it a month.

Give it two months. Give it a real good try for two months. If two months in you don't like it, then yeah, it's probably not for you. But two months in, you're like, okay, I see how this is going. I'm liking this. you might be hooked, man.

Like, it's a good program. It is. You know what else is good? This is the strength company. We've set out to build a better barbell plate on American soil. We ended up here at Wisconsin's legendary Wapaka Foundry. With over 60 years of ironworking experience, the foundry had the knowledge, technology, and processes to build our weights. to our exact specifications.

The Strength Company plates are slim but rugged, smooth but easy to grip, and electrocoded for durability and to look great in your gym. This is the next generation of American Idol, only available from the Strength Company. The Strength Co. If you're going to get stronger like that on Juggernaut, you're going to need some more plates to lift. So you might as well go get them from the Strength Co.

The best plates are go-to plates at Massanomics Gym and Natomi's Garage Gym. Thank you, the Strength Co. And while we're on the subject, the Strength Co, we do have an affiliate link. So if you buy anything from the Strength Co, you go to Massanomics.com slash affiliates or just go to our website and click Affiliates tab. It's one of the top tabs. Then you click on the Strength Co, you go buy them. We also have several other affiliates there and several discount codes with most. anyone that you're going to buy new gym equipment from or that's where our juggernaut link

is also with the discount code in case you forget it or our macro factor link with discount code massonomics to get you some free weeks on macro factor but then just some of the equipment if you're buying equipment for many of these companies especially as we approach the end of the year when we know a lot of people are making purchasing decisions please consider checking out our discount codes here because a lot of these companies we have discount codes and even if you don't have a, we don't have a discount code. Still click on them through these links because we get a little small kickback contribution from doing that and it helps us out and we appreciate it and it's cool beings. But like, let me just rattle off. Rogue Fitness, Rep Fitness, Bells of

Steel, Titan Fitness, Temple of Gains, anything from Amazon, PRX Performance, Force USA, Prime Fitness, Hansu Power, Elite FTS, the Strength Co, Bulletproof Fitness, GM. WD, RIT fit, Juggernaut, Build Fast Formula, barefoot shoes, macro factor, power block, torque fitness. Need I go on anymore?

I mean, any of those, you can't go wrong buying something from any of those companies. At least half of them we have a discount code where you can say 5% or 10% or whatever it is. So, yeah, people have been, since we've updated this page, people have been clicking it.

We are seeing those links and we do appreciate that and that really does make a difference with, It's like the easiest way to help give back to us that requires nothing on your part other than clicking a link. Yes. And possibly even saving you money in the process by using the discount code even in some of those cases. Okay. Want to hear sports and books? I do.

I saw this link pop or this to-do pop in here and I really want to know what's going on. What do you want for sports or books? Because it is a double side of segment. Let's start with sports. It is sports and books, not books and sports. So let's start with sports. The sports part I pretty much just made up in order for this to be a thing. sports and book segment so uh quick fantasy mathematics fantasy football league update

because everyone wants to know hearing about other people's fantasy football leagues uh we're seven weeks in i think at this point six and one over here uh tied uh for the best record in the league with last year's defending champ chris mark so it's not a mistake six and six and one no and he is still edging me out. I've been making a real hard push lately. I think of the last three weeks, I've been like the leading score almost every week. He still is leading

the league in scoring, though. He's first and I'm second and we're tied. Would Chris Mark have you asked him, would he say he's a fantasy football guy? I have no idea but he's got quite the good mass on his track record. So either yes, he's good or everyone's just that bad.

I'm not to be it too. But he's crushing it still. He puts up a huge score every single week. So we do have the two leagues, and it's starting to sort out of who looks like could be relegated to the bottom league next year because Scott Dodds hasn't won a week yet, and he has the lowest score of the season. So it's looking very possible, strong case for him getting relegated to the FCS subdivision for the junior lifter. Yep. If we're the open and they're the juniors or sub, sub, whatever.

so that's the fantasy football crushing it over here on cloud nine so that means next to i'll probably lose like the next five in a row or you'll just be a even riding high bit i left chris mark in the dust yeah and the classic fantasy football you got to pick up those free agents like half my team now that i'm doing well oh so you are being pretty engaged actually here well i haven't no after my my team got pretty set about three weeks ago the pieces kind of fell in place and i haven't done much for the last few weeks but yeah i was i was doing a lot of moves and we have the type of fantasy football league where you everyone gets a certain amount of money you know it's fake money like you start the season with $200 and then you bid on free agents and whoever bids the

most each week gets the free agent and it's a but it's a blind bid so you can bid uh 50 on a guy and nobody else bid a single thing right you just so you just and you should have just bid one dollar like that's the type of thing that happens sometimes so i actually like that system it makes the free agent thing really fun yeah that is pretty cool yeah um that's it on the man massonomics uh fantasy football league okay all right that's that's a good update like well i figured it had been several weeks it has been yeah yeah i see football and people are literally dying to know that's i'm sure we have listeners just waiting for that segment every week i still have not watched a football game i don't know that i've seen you know what

cumulatively like 10 minutes of football games i'll say this the drama of college football has started to just hook me like a freaking pageantry like a soap opera like is it's it's the w i don't even it's the actually i shouldn't even say that it's like the um i don't even know what the angle is i think what really has hooked me in college football is the insanity of these coaches contracts and how they have this guaranteed money but they also get fired pretty quickly now, but they're guaranteed this money, you know, like Penn State's coach getting fired, who is, I mean, you can slice it a lot of different ways. Like you can say, yeah, he's never, you know, people will say he never wins big games for them.

And yeah, he hasn't. But also they are like, you know, a one to two loss school or one to two loss team every year, something like that. So, Nittany Lions. That's it. And, you know, this year what is? Should have stuck with Joe Paterno, am I right? Right.

And Sandusky. Should have kept Sandusky. Maybe not that. But, you know, and then the guy has a bad year. And, you know, after like three bad games, it's like, yeah, now you're just done. Everything, everything you've ever done for us up to this point doesn't matter. And here's your $50 million. See ya.

Like, it's crazy that these colleges sign off on this and can somehow get the NIL money. like the NIL money to fund this stuff. It's so crazy. It's just a whole other level of, I don't even know. I don't, it speaks to a certain level of cultural values. It's much deeper than football.

Like it really is. But man, it sure hasn't introduced some parity into the world of college football. There's no doubt about that. The interesting dynamics of them being higher learning, facility you know schools schools and then also the insane amounts of money right and i get it that it's all the paradox you know and it is it is mostly coming from private donors you know the whole nil thing it's

not like the schools all the sudden has an extra hundred million to spend on it but um the other amazing thing though is that like now no one knows who's good anymore like no one knows who's good anyone can be good anyone can be bad and that can also change on a weekly like it's not just yeah alabama and georgia are the two best teams and it's a contest over who's going to be like third or fourth. It's like, no, on any given week, I think anyone can kind of beat anyone. And that's kind of exciting to watch.

Everyone's getting paid. So it looks like the advantage of when just people were secretly getting paid. You know, like the people that were good at being able to do it and not get in trouble. And now everyone can do it. So it's like, yeah, oh, yeah, you're going to pay them. Of course you're going to pay them. Everyone's going to pay them or there's no chance they're going there. I don't know shit about it, but my one.

Thing is I'm like, it's got to end up being different than what it is like right now. Oh, I don't know how it can keep going this way. It won't be able to go this way. I don't know what the answer is, but it's got to end up different. Well, the first thing that you think would have to change is there has to be some, they have to start changing these contracts for coaches where there has to be some level of performance written into their contract where, you know, like if you have a 500, if you have a year where you go 500, like you're not getting your full guaranteed, you know. severance money, you'd think that would have to change. And then at a certain point, too, that you'd think there has to be some type of,

I don't know, just, I don't, actually, I don't know. Like, it's just hard to believe that I can keep going this way for five more years. Yeah. Yeah, I think something will change there. It'll look a little different at some point in time. Yeah. Then the book segment is that I finished the second book of Red Rising, which is golden sun. So I'll now be on to the book number three of the original trilogy.

I think there's five or six or something, but I think their original trilogy is maybe not the right word, but there's originally, there's an original three and then there's been more sense than I think. I don't actually even know that's, I think that that's accurate though. Okay, and did you do audiobook here? Yes.

So I finished Golden Sun, which is the second book, audiobook. It lives up to the hype of the first one. Still really good. Didn't let you down? There was a, most. moments in time in the middle of it that I felt like my interest was waning a little bit. And when I got in the final, the home stretch, the final quarter, I was like, nope, I'm back in, baby.

Like, I got through the, the meat, you know, through the heart of it and got towards the end. And I'm like, yep, you got me again. I'm back. I'm back completely wanting to see what's next now. Interesting. You know, it's interesting that you brought up this books thing because I just recently had this revelation. I actually don't spend that much time on my phone. I really don't think I do. But I had this revelation. I'm like, I think I could cut even more phone time out. And all of a sudden,

I'm deleting some social media apps off my phone that I don't use as much. I'm putting heavy risk. I'm getting apps that restrict things. And I'm doing the and then I'm turning off. I already have almost all notifications turned off on my phone. But there was still a few that I have almost all notifications turned off on my phone now outside of outside of like my phone call. my text messages and discord. I basically have notifications turned off on my phone. And I'm like, you know what?

I've made my phone almost as boring as I can possibly make it. I got to do something now. And I'm like, I think I might try to take another shot at reading here because I used to love it, man. I used to love it. And in a world with infinite time, I would read all the time.

But I think I just need to make myself do it. So maybe I'll get that book, whatever the hell you're talking about. Red Rising. Red Rising. What was the first thing you thought it was called? Wait, remember I couldn't find it. Well, that was Project Hail Mary.

Oh, yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. I'm mixing up the books now. And what did I call, instead of Project Hail Mary, I said Project. Well, is Project Hell Mary the right name? I think so. Also a good book. I would also recommend that one. Yeah, Project Hail Mary.

Yeah, what did you call it? You called it like something else football. Project something else. Yeah, yeah. Like a spin. off of Hail Mary almost like uh okay i don't think i know about this red rising series and that's what i was thinking of was project hail mary i was thinking that you were talking about that see that was my first one that when i got back i got in on this fiction book kick that i'm not that much of a fiction

guy and i'm like nope i'm in on this now okay 2014 dystopian science fiction novel all right big sci-fi guy over here oh yeah it's uh i've given a this synopsis before but it's like Hunger Games meets Game of Thrones meets The Wire One more thing What you said?

The wire. Meets what I think I know about the wire. I do think if you thought Hunger Games meets Game of Thrones I think is a good start to, like I think that that actually wraps into a package a bit of what's going on there.

Okay. It is good, though. It is really good. Like, I think it's well. Well, okay, if you had to pick, wait, Project Hail Mary is just a one-off book. It's not part of anything really. Well, it is.

He may have other books, you know, the Martian. But it is a standalone thing, though. Yeah, yeah, it is. Maybe I'll start there. Yeah. I did really like that. I maybe even liked it better, but there is, what I would say about Red Rising,

is I have this thing now where I think I said this before where it's like, oh, people really got into those books. And I kind of feel like now I'm like, yeah, I'm into these books now where I'm like, no, I'm in this thing and like there's this all this world building, you know, because especially when it's multiple books where it's like, it's like, no, I kind of know about all this stupid made up crap that has to do with this one.

I'm in too deep. Yeah. Where you don't get that in just a one-off book. Like that's only a series. thing where it's like no i kind of know all these like you know i'm starting to know some of this weird obscure shit and it's like well no not that wouldn't apply to them because they live on you know just like stuff like that wait wait a minute yeah yeah i'm not the biggest nerd on it and i don't my retention isn't awesome but it is entertaining how did you even arrive at that it was

this a recommendation of someone or matthias cash oh wow okay Leptard vz classic you know the things that happen at the Lyft Hardly Veezy Classic. You get the inside line on the best book recommendations. Yep. Okay. All right. Well, that's a good sports and books. I'm interested now.

Okay. You're talking about your phone. There was a topic here you had about phone gaming. Have you been doing some phone gaming? No, no. Actually, I put this in. Clash of Clans game. Dude, we played, actually, it's really, okay, I have a story for that.

I had to look. I put this in here March 28th. So this topic has been in here for like six months now. But, okay, this started because in March, what the hell was I doing? I can't remember. I had to go to the U-Haul store, which in our town is just a freaking death wish. Just when I got in there and I saw five people ahead of me and my first thought was, there goes an hour of my life. Is it worse than the hotel?

It's worse. I was right. Five people ahead of me took an hour, took one hour to get through five people ahead of me. It was insane. I feel like they actively just try to make it as terrible as possible. but while I was standing there waiting in this line for an hour, I'm just looking at all the people ahead of me. I would say all roughly my age, you know, people in their late 20s, 30s, probably even some people in their 40s. And pretty much everyone was gaming on their phone.

And I don't have games on my phone. I'm not knocking anyone for doing it, but I don't have games on phone. I don't do that. The last time I gained on my phone was when I was like 23, me and a group buddies got into Clash of Clans for a little bit and it was a little over the top but uh i have not ever since the day we quit i have not gamed on my phone since then if i looked i don't even know what i i mean know if i haven't have any games on my phone i'd have to i don't even know if i do i'd have to go through that's how little phone gaming matters to me but i was just shot i came home and i told my wife i'm like it's crazy you go out in public the number of people you see playing like these crazy like it's like casino slot

machines like the things going crazy and lighting up and they all have the volume on and the sound effects are going yeah yeah like man this is this is intense that you're locked into this and my wife is like dude at the hospital when people are sitting around waiting everyone plays games on their phone she's like you always walk into waiting rooms you know a room when someone's waiting or whatever and you're in there and you know they're there bored so they're on their phone she's like it like every time you walk in someone's playing games on their phone and she's like i'm not talking kids like adults older people everyone's gaming and i just i don't relate to that at all apparently it's like and i know the app store makes i think the vast majority of their money from people

downloading games and buying all the shit that comes up purchases yeah all the in that purchases from games you know a lot of people joke that that's all the the app store is is just a casino for kids because of all the in at purchases on games but uh i just i'm shows i'm out of touch with the times because it's obviously a very very popular thing and and I do not relate to it one bit. Neither do I. Probably comes as no secret. I also.

I guess I've never seen you play a phone on your game. You probably never seen me play a game on your phone. I was making a bold assumption there, but I did not think you were going to come and hit me with some big gaming excursion. It'd be weird at this point that you've never seen me play a game on my phone and be like, oh yeah, I do that all the time. I can't stop. I do have back in the day, I mean, I'm probably,

it's mini you know over a decade ago well more than that i had angry birds for a while oh i did too yeah way back in the day i'm looking on my phone now i still have doodle jump i don't even know what that is yeah it was a popular game like over 10 years ago also here's okay i found mine i have angry birds or i actually don't have it on my phone but it you know the download button is there because it's been there before. Angry birds. This one is called this is like tiny wings which is just like a dumb little game where you fly this bird through the sky and then I remember oh no it's trying to download

I don't know what it's called because it's in my I have the app names turned off but it's kind of like a modern version of Gallagher you know where the spaceships fly and there's a thousand bullets going everywhere I downloaded that probably in the first iPhone I ever got so what was that 2010 2011 and it's that's it's my game history right there outside of that little little fling i had with clash of clans with some buddies for a little bit i have uh doodle jump blackjack i used to have this

monopoly game and then uh this one called lux touch that maybe once a year i break this out that it's basically like risk on your phone against a computer uh so you got to set down eight hours of time to no the way you do it you can do it really fast because it's all really expedited with the, you know, because it's all, like, as soon as your turns over, the other turns go, oh, instantly, okay. Right. Yes, you know, like, so once a year in an extreme boredom situation where I'm like, oh, for the love of God, what could I do right now?

I'll be like, I'll play that game. Literally once a year, you get bored. Yeah, yeah. But when I use my phone, it's not for that. Like, actually, if I'm bored and going to use my phone, I'm looking at something related to Massanami. Oh, I know. one way or another.

It is. It's just what it always. And I guess if I didn't have that, I would consider otherwise. There would be a substitute. There would be. Right. There would be. Along that kind of same topic, somehow when I was cleaning up my phone the other day,

it all came from some just dumb video getting recommended to me at YouTube last night. When I think I'm going to bed, I'm like, I'll just watch a video quick. And all of a sudden I'm going down this rabbit hole of simplifying my phone and all this. And then along those same lines, a video comes up of, the best audio device of 2025 an iPod from 2015 and I knew this world existed but there is a

whole market of people buying old, you know, like all the iPods at the gym, iPod Classics and then they're putting SSDs in them. Finally this investment in hardware that we've been strategic about for years is going to pay off. They're popping them open and putting new hard drives in them are solid

state drives and then they're replacing parts and you know putting new batteries, things like that. And then they'll jail break so that they can run different OSs and things like that. But I did not realize. Like I knew there was a little bit of that. I didn't realize how much of a thing there is still of people doing that. And I thought, oh, I don't really want to do that.

But I can see how that'd be a fun project to have just a bang in iPod classic because I do have a pretty big music library of songs. And a lot of them, Spotify doesn't have. And I've always hung on to them because of that. And man, if you go look at what people are charging for iPod classics, because I thought, oh, old iPods, you can probably find these. things for 50 bucks or less all day, you cannot there. If you even look at Marketplace, I'm typing like so many iPods, people want over $200 for

them. It's a real classic. They know what they got situation there. And they are not putting those things up cheap. Well, I can see it like in your, in your gym, though, too. If you had like a real nice iPod that was there all the time and you could run your music off of that, that wouldn't be the worst thing. Well, and that's what originally I thought.

And I know I have an iPod touch here, but that's not as good. You want the iPod Classic or like a nano or something. But what I actually can do is when I'm in my gym, because on my Mac inside my house, I have my iTunes. It's like a 60 gig iTunes library. Nothing insane. It's about 60 gigs and about 6,000 songs.

Like that's my, all of the songs I collected from the time. You know, I was in high school to when I quit buying music, probably in 2012, 2013-ish was when I quit. But before that, I was buying a lot of music and so luckily though I always hung on to the files I always kept them right now they're all my Mac what I can do is when I'm out there and I do this

occasionally is I can open up the iTunes or sorry not iTunes the Apple music app and you can connect to your Mac and then I can stream the songs that are saved locally on my Mac to my phone out there and that's kind of the way I get around it for now so it sort of gives me the the at least the iPod music or the the iPod songs that I collected for all those years that don't necessarily exist on Spotify anymore or ever did you just be like me and not really listen to very many songs and that's really easy that's one way around that too yeah you just be like me and just hope someone else comes into the gym and plugs and put something on nice and I actually usually like pretty much everything I know I'm not uh

Not making the decisions here. So it's like, I never am I like, oh, I don't know this and I don't like it. Usually it's like, oh, yeah, I do like this. What the hell is this? You know. I know. I know, man, it's. But that's the issue in the home gym is you're the only DJ.

Right. So you get into these traps of playing the same stuff over and over. And, you know, when you're always going out there, like I, for a while, the novelty was high with the iTunes playlist of, oh, I haven't heard these songs in forever. And that lasted me for months and months and months. and it was great. And then eventually I'm like, okay, or then you go through some of your favorites. And it's like, well,

a lot of these aren't good workout songs. And actually most of them aren't good workout songs. So then you skip past that. And then it's like, well, okay, I'll go to this different playlist on Spotify. I'll go to a different new metal playlist, a different dubstep playlist on Spotify. Oh, let's find an emo play.

You start just like running through every genre because you feel like you've heard it all so many times and it's not the thing at the gym where, oh, so-and-so is here. and he always plays this. I never play that, but that's good because it's variety

and he does it. Right. Unless you're doing it, you don't get the variety in. Yeah. Right. Yeah, a little music segment. Did you want to tell us

anything about cable towers? I think we can save that for another time. It's not an emergency. No, there's not a cable tower emergency in case anyone's wondering. Oh, yeah, nothing crazy has happened to your house. I mean,

that's assuming we make it to episode 501 though, so. That's true. Well, no guarantees. I would say a bit of gym equipment news. I think the, after today, the Massaomics gym vintage plate wall is done. Yeah, what the hell? I see these, what weeder cross hubs showing up?

What's the deal here? Yep, those are, and I think when we did the plate, vintage plate wall YouTube video. I think you mentioned one of those, didn't you? You know, like those would maybe be the ones. And I got those. And I had gotten the blue eagles a little bit ago. and I'd always wanted the blue eagles. And now I have a row of like three blue plates,

different blue plates in a row. Jackson's, oh, yeah, the Wheaters and the Schistler. Schistler blue eagles. And it is done now. I actually had to take the York Milled plates off. That's what I was wondering what. Yeah, those went away.

Yeah. And then I consolidated the rogue Arnold and the Strength Co. I just have one of each in our, like behind the Strength Co is the Rogue garnold plate now and those just the new plates just consume that one pin and then the york milled had to go actually back into gym circulation and that's fine now it is done because those are the all the consolidating i had in my mind that i could do and uh now you have to build a whole other station if you're going to start over would have to but i don't see it i kind of i've not saying my desire for vintage weights is gone, but it's kind of like when I completed my roundhead collection.

Like I worked really hard at that, and I worked hard as a way thing to say. Driving all over the country, finding these, bringing them back. I was never ending, like I was always searching. Like every day I was looking for, you know, monitoring what I was missing and what I could get and what I could trade and how I could get it and the, you know, this and that. and who knew somebody that might know somebody. And I'm kind of there on the vintage plates now where I got to on those roundheads when it was complete. I'm like, well, I guess that's over.

And then I never look for those anymore. And for the vintage weights, it's different because there is just a never-ending variety of those two. It's not like the roundhead where it is truly complete. But mine is sort of complete because I have no more room and I kind of just have all the ones I want to know. Yeah, you've crossed off the list of the things you've actually even gotten a little higher than what you even thought.

Oh, I've gone higher. The remaining ones I would get cost $5,000 a pair. And I just don't have any. I don't have any desire for that. Yeah. I don't have any desire for that. So, and like, I'm not even saying, I'm not being critical of the people that do collect those.

I mean, it's just, even the ones I have are insane, if we're being frank. Yeah, but even there, the hobby changes a lot. Right. Right. Yeah, by the time you're dropping five plus grand on. It's just an extremely. expensive hobby at that point.

Like you can collect classic cars for, you know, it's like comparable to that after a while where it's like, no, you're spending $10,000 a piece on these. And I'm not even saying I would never have something like that because who knows, maybe I will, but I'm not after it now. You know, I'm like, I'm just kind of. It's a much higher stakes hobby at that point. And I already went to, like what you said,

I went to a higher stakes than I even originally planned on probably. I have no regrets about it, but I just, I kind of feel, unless something, next week, I'm cashing out. Right. Unless something really pops up that I don't know what it is yet, which the likelihood of that is pretty small because, like I said, everything pretty much off the list is checked for me. So if another Jackson opportunity popped up with that interest to you,

or do you feel like if it was just something really cool, like, I mean, they're all really cool. They're all really valuable and stuff. but if it was something if the story was just so cool and if then the deal was pretty good you know if I could justify it as right yeah they also weren't charging a premium on top of it right right I'm not interested in buying any at a premium because that amount of money is just so great then that I'm just it's beyond what I'm interested in spending on any plate so did did the weeders just pop up out of nowhere or where or had you been it's a supporting member

brick he has a bunch of different weeder cross hubs and he'd come across this pair and he'd been they're actually really really rusty and he'd been restoring them but in keeping the original not restoring he's been uh well i guess what is what is the definition of restoring is that restoring then like where you maintain the original aspect of it but you like he's removing the rust but keeping the original paint yeah i don't know i would call that restoring maybe it's not right, but I get what you're saying there. You know what I'm saying, though, like, because you could, like if someone may, you know, if you're going to sand it down and repaint it, that's not what I, you know, it's like, that's a

different thing. Yeah. I don't know what the difference, why that popped in my head even. But yeah, so he came across these and I'd, he'd been working on them for several months and ran it through several acid baths and got them clean up. And they're not perfect. They're still rust on there, but I actually really like the way that they look. You know, they have a little bit on there.

Patina original. paint look to them and yeah and those were like kind of the last ones on the list that I'm like oh frigate I can just buy these and then I can be done with uh won't have to make this decision and say this hobby is complete yeah so that's kind of where I feel like I'm at on that so in the vintage world then you now have the plates you have the the dumbbells you do have some vintage I said you have some vintage barbells power bar collection until you get into machines that's kind of most of the vintage stuff isn't it yeah I don't see getting in, well, I probably

saw me getting into vintage weights. There's probably vintage plates. There's probably me a clip of saying that. I don't see me getting into machines. If I ever did something someday, I'm not interested in doing it now, but I could see me wanting the globe, a globe set of dumbbells.

Those are even more expensive than the round. I don't have anywhere to put those. And then it's a space thing again, too, because now you need a whole other dumbbell rack to hold all those. I'll probably accumulate some other vintage plates at some point in time, I'm sure. I don't really know what they are or why,

but I'm sure it won't literally be the last, but my searching or my, my peak interest of the search has kind of, now I'm just maintaining what I've got. I actually have a couple pairs that I might trade off at some point that aren't even on the wall that I just ended up of extras. Oh, really? Like the one change I would maybe make actually is

if I had one other thing to go on there, I would sell off my gray Schistler eagles and get rid of those and just keep the blue ones. Yeah, I could see that. That's almost more like a trade. If I could upgrade to something that I think is cooler, I'd trade those off that I don't have. Yep, because everyone's going to come in here and be like, geez, big Schistler guy over here, two pairs of them. Oh, how original. Two pairs of Schisler Eagles.

Really cool. What are you compensating for over here, buddy? Yeah. This is the stupid as vintage weight. collection I've ever seen. Oh, what do you need a red pair of Schistler Eagle, too? What else? They do make, they'd make a black pair.

Oh, there you go. It's gray, black, and blue. Can't sleep until he has all three colors. Of a moderately desirable pair of vintage weights. That's enough vintage weights, I think. Should we wrap this, wrap this son of a gun up? I think so. All right, check out the YouTube channel.

These are all on there. Leave us a comment on this YouTube. Let us know what you think of Juggernaut AI or app-based training. Let us know why you love it, why you hate it. If you're going to use discount code, Massonomics to get signed up, if you already have, give us your testimonial in the comments. Check out our YouTube gym tours. Last one was the Brian Koppelman gym tour.

Prior to that was the Gluck Gym Tour. prior to that was Jake in Brookings. Prior to that as Tommy, there's a whole bunch. If we don't have the most YouTube gym tours on YouTube now, we probably will soon, really soon. This next week's video coming up, though, is not a gym tour.

We're actually back to Tommy's home gym, and he shows us his moderate footprint six post bells of steel rack that he modified to a six post. It used to be a four post, but he went through his modification to a six post in his 100 square foot garage gym and how that works for him and the benefits of the six post.

That's right. Then leave us to review on Apple Podcasts, a five-star review. I know that gets pushed to the wayside sometimes with all the other things we have going on with everything going on. Still would appreciate a review on Apple Podcasts. We got some work to do to get under the road to 700,

but we could get there. I feel like we could get there some. someday. It'll have. If you guys help us out with a review, please sign up to become a supporting member that is the number one way that you can support us and check out that affiliate link page that we've got with the discount codes. And buy the new drop. Oh yeah, the new drop. There you go. I buried the lead. Tommy, where do they find you out? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Bear. Just make sure to follow Massonomics at Massonomics.

See you. We're going to be able to be.