Massenomics Podcast - Ep 508 Cardio Tier List 100 Correct Expert Analysis

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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If you don't follow Massanomics, you all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. Welcome, everyone. We've got episode eight from season two of the Massonomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. Season 2, episode 8, also called on occasion episode 5008. 5008th time back in the saddle.

My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy. We've got a very special tier list episode this week. We're going to be by popular demand. Everyone wants to know the Masonomics. Everyone's been dying to know, been beating down our doors for years. We're finally relenting, giving in, caving to pressure. going to put out the official massonomics cardio tier list. Man, I never thought we'd get to this one, but eventually the people, their voice has to be

heard. So, yeah, we get enough comments requesting this sort of thing. Eventually, we relent. So that always, I mean, I would say maybe for the past 505, maybe 506 or seven episodes, people have been asking for this. So it's about time we get to it. Yeah, it is about time. But before we do that, I want to let everyone know that this,

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Oh, is that what this is about? Bed? Yep, I got a new bed. Okay. Waterbed? I was really thinking water bed. You know what if when I think waterbed you know what I think? What? We used to be a proper fricking country where we slept on water. Did you? I'm like a mermaid over here. I'm sleeping on water at night.

Did you ever know anyone with a water bed? Oh yes. I remember a few people that had water beds when I was a little kid like in my household. But I definitely was at other people's house. And it was always like you just want to like play on. I know. I had a toy for a kid. And it was like,

it just felt like this is the pinnacle of luxury to have a waterbed in your house. I want to know the last human that's, like right now out there, who is sleeping on a water bed? There's got to be a few around. There has to be a few around. There's got to be a company that still makes them.

There's no way there was like, have gone extinct. I'd be very curious. Like, who is a person out there that's got a water bed? Like, who's sleeping on that? Was the logic on that something on that at some point in time That it was better for you somehow?

I don't know It's just funny to think about Just the support of it is so different than a typical mattress I don't know Because also I don't know There's so many questions the more I start thinking about this The more questions I actually have.

I don't know I'd have to go deep on this I'm sure there's some really good YouTube deep dives That cover all the ins and outs of water beds If you don't need a garden hose to fill up your bed through your window. I don't want it. Yeah. People thinking we solve this whole bed

in a box thing nowadays. It's like, no, no, no. I want the bed to need a hose. Yeah. How durable did those have to be to like hold up to not like end up with 160 gallons of water all over the floor?

Like that would like total a root, you know, that would ruin your room. The bed's got to be pretty damn heavy, you know? Like a king size water bed would a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I never thought about that.

That would be some weight. You wouldn't want that on the second floor. Heavy-ass bed right there. Also, what was the draining process? One of you eventually, like, moved? Never. It didn't happen. Also, did that water get gross in there at all?

Oh, you would think so. Like, how would it not get moldy or something? Right. Yeah, gross. Waterbeds, no. I got a regular bed. I got basically the firmest bed I could find at the, at the, uh,

that doesn't get an old mattress and throw a sheet of plywood on the top and say, here you go. I wonder if I, I could actually do, because I tested a whole bunch of mattresses in this process. And what I learned after testing them, I'm like the, my first,

also my old mattress was almost 20 years old. So I literally had, would sleep in it like this and it was ruin. My back, every morning, my back felt awful. Oh, You were actually feeling it. Oh, yeah.

And you're not a person that typically has back issues either. No, it was like once I got going throughout the day, like three hours later, my back was good. It was like getting out of bed. It was like wrecking my back at night. Once I got up and around, my back was fine again. But it was like on weekends if I'd go to the gym in the mornings, like after freshly getting out of bed, it was hard to like squat and deadlift because it was messing with my back so much. And so I'm like, well, part of the problem with my old one is it was worn down.

and like way too squishy. Yeah. So, you're like falling into the hammock in the middle of the night. Yeah. Well, and I was actually like moving to,

you know, doing different things. And, but anyways, in testing them, I'm like, I, the firmer,

the better. Yeah. Like, some of these are so squishy. Uh-huh. It's insane to me that people even like that. They like this pillow top

and then gel and the memory. I don't like any of that. And you go, like you fall through five layers before you hit anything of support. Yeah, I don't like any of that. then mine now is very firm and it feels you know I'm maybe like a week or something into it and I am enjoying it a lot better.

There's no sink at all. But to your point, I probably almost, you know, it would be a very economical option, but I feel like I could almost use a plywood with like four blankets on it. And I'm pretty sure that it would feel better than my old bed. Yeah. And I actually don't know why. that wouldn't work. You know, I know there's,

I mean, it should work other than just being kind of uncomfortable. But kind of on. It's like as you get used to it, it's uncomfortable. I think as you get used to that, you'd be a, you would probably not like anything else.

Yeah. I mean, in Japan, they sleep on like little blankets on the floor, basically, don't they? I have no idea.

I just feel like I've seen it in like an anime or something. They roll out a little sheet and they just lay on it. Yeah. Also, mattresses are way too expensive. Oh, God, yeah. It's the markup on those has to be 10 million percent. Like, seriously, it has to be hundreds of percent. You know, it has to be right up there's to be wildly huge.

Yes, it has to be. There's just no way. I don't, if anyone says otherwise, I just actually don't even believe it. There's no way. There's no technology. Like, they try to sell, sell you on different stupid little things. And I'm like, nope, I am not buying any of that. We get to the split mattress that you can raise one side and do this. It's like, yeah, no. I also didn't want any of that. No, I know. I'm like, no, I want to go to sleep in this and not be in it any more than that. Yeah. I also don't want my most, most of my furniture, I generally don't want it to plug in. Right. Like that is like kind of a rule. I'm like, I don't really want my furniture to plug in.

I totally agree on that. Yeah. Yeah. So love in the new bedlife. That's it though. Just way too expensive, but a necessary evil at a certain point. And I probably, I went definitely more budget than over the top, but not all the way budget, I wouldn't say, and still just way too expensive. But then they, you know, like what's the classic thing is, well, you spend 96% of your life in your bed. You spend a quarter of your life there, you know? Yeah, yeah.

That doesn't mean you get to charge me 5x. You get to charge me for a quarter of my life, too. What do you drink in anything over there? Yeah, what do I got here, actually? I've got a, uh, uh, ooh, bubbly cherry. Oh, that sounds good. Way better than what I got. I have a liquid death mountain water.

Hmm. Is that just the plain one? Yeah, I'm good with the plain ones. Okay, just the plain one. It's a little classic massanomics reference. If she doesn't remember being good with the plain ones, she's too young for you, bro. Wow, I feel like I've not had cherry in quite a while.

Does it taste like cherry cola? It is. It's a real cherry cola. real cherry cherole effect over there what do we got i got a i got about seven sacks do you want all all the sacks in one segment or do we save that for later do you should i get to it now maybe we should just get to this okay some good stuff do you want i actually don't know what's the funniest thing here i have three things i have four things i'm going to do the one not funny thing first like christmas over there it's literally is like christmas it's we're recording

this on the 20 seconds so it is almost Christmas. Very fitting. All right, first thing, this is kind of cool. Have you heard this? Have you seen about this? Track handles. Track handle.

I finally got myself, I've been wanting to know what all the hype is about. So we're going to put this in Massanomics gym. These are the track handle sport, which I think the sport, from what I could tell is just the one. That's what I kind of gather too. What does sport mean to you?

If someone says something is the sport model in terms of marketing and products, what do you think of when someone says sport? It varies by the product category so much. It does. Because some, like, that almost means like economy model. I was going to say something sport is budget and something sport means maybe a little more rugged. It just depends on what it is, you know. There's no obvious answer there.

I think that's a good idea. I think some people will absolutely love those in the gym. And I think there'll be a few people that'll be like, I hate these things. Yeah. That's the beauty of a place like Massonomics gym. You can have a million different things and you'll find. someone that wants to use it though. We do have an affiliate code, possibly a discount code.

Go to massanomics.com slash affiliates. Oh, look at that. Didn't even know it did that. Oh, yeah. This is like one of those things you put on your office desk and it just spins in perpetuity. Or like one of those like wind chimes or bird feeders, you know, the squirrels go on and it spins them. Look at that thing go. Yeah, man.

If that isn't sell you on this, I don't know what would. It's just never going to stop. When that stops, it means the show's done, I guess. Yeah, that means the whole. The entire show is done. So yeah, track handle. I can't report on him yet because I haven't used them. But as far as construction on the way this moves and the way this pivots,

I give that like a 10 out of 10. Yeah. Have you ever used them ever before? I haven't used them. We've seen them. Like I know, I remember, I think Darko was the first gym we tour that had some. And, you know, he makes like a handle kit for him, I think. But, you know, we just see him in a few gyms, but I've never actually got to use them

to work. I mean, I've got to touch them in people's gyms. I've never got to do an actual workout with them. Remember how you got anything else on the track handles then? No, I'd be excited to hear your feedback after or at least what people in the gym are saying. If you do buy some, use our affiliate link. A lot of people have been using our affiliate links on things. Yeah. And we've been noticing that. It's actually, like people legitimately have been doing that. Yeah. And it's pretty sweet. And we have a lot of affiliate links out there. So if you're going to buy something new, you probably can click through a mess.

Or possibly have a discount code even. Save yourself money. You got, what movie did you get? Oh, Top Gun. From Big Ben, he gave you Top Gun. Have you seen Top Gun yet? First of all, follow up. Top Gun follow up.

No, I've not had just several hours to sit around and enjoy myself here lately. Maybe over this Christmas break here. Maybe I'll have some time. No, still not then, probably. Probably not. Side tangent, we have been, both of us, massonomics is the busiest it's ever busiest it's ever been and it's not even close i can't remember the last like three months stretch that has been remotely what massanomics has been like this last

three months would you agree yeah oh yeah 100 well because it's on all fronts one it's like it's the busiest orders have ever been so like that's one yes by which is awesome this is all good it's all for good reason yes that uh we have this major project we're working on where it's just sucking every moment of free time out of it. Like, it's not unusual to exchange text messages at 11 o'clock and also text messages at 6 a.m. We had text messages going on it like as we're starting the podcast tonight. It's just like every hour of the day. There's text messages to.

That is the biggest project we've ever worked on. And that's not even close, I don't think. Like nothing else we have done is going to compare to the amount of time we'll happen to this by the time it's done. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, no, no way.

Yeah. And then also the YouTube, like has not, you know, has been just as. Yep. YouTube. I mean, it's YouTube getting drops. Like, we basically we said today, like, could you imagine if we were also in a week or two trying to get Arnold orders in and getting that whole thing done? I don't think we could do it.

I actually, I'm busy at my day job right now too. And I actually don't have, I would just have to not go to. bed at all. Like I stay up really late and I get up really early. And in order to do like, I'm like, I would just have to not sleep. Yeah. Period. And the problem is is that a lot of stuff we do kind of requires, it's not like, you know, there's kind of two lines of thinking. They're sort of like, there's like mindless tasks and chores you got to do. Right. And then there's like things that like, you got to really think through how could we do this? And like we have a lot of that late. There's a lot of that and you can't like be just like burnt out and dead and do that like it's so hard and that's the

thing is you just yeah i don't know it's hard to explain until you're in the situation i guess but yeah it's the other thing uh that hasn't been as a very more recently hasn't been eating of very much of our time but we do have to finalize some things is the register powerlifting meat registration opening uh time for it's for we'll first open to supporting members and uh mass Simics gym members that you'll get your you'll get your first chance to sign up that's going to be coming soon we actually think it's probably going to be mid-January we also think we're going to officially announce that date by the time we record next next podcast episode 509 we should put out that official registration date a lot of people have been asking about that that's that and it's kind of like because we've had so many things going on just hasn't been a priority we haven't been able to lock in that date but we will we will get that date out soon. But we've been very busy so you haven't watched Top Gun. So, but when am I going to watch the full box set of The Wire on DVD?

The Wire, the complete first season, actually is what I guess that. Yeah, I was, I wasn't look at HBO, the Wire, the complete first season. Wow. Well, first season, I'll say it's a tough. tough season of TV to watch. But you have to do it. Yeah, you're saying that the first season isn't as good. It's not the best season.

It's kind of like the whole season is a setup for the rest of the show is sort of what it is. Astounding, says USA Today. Astounding. I'd say it's astounding too. I still never watched The Wire for anyone that's keeping tabs. Yeah. Great show. Great show.

Okay. So I've got that to look forward to. Just put it on the list. Put it on the shelf behind you for now. I just can at least go on the shelf up there. There's more stuff. I got something for your shelf here, actually. Oh, boy.

This has to make it to you. We'll see when I'm able to get it to you. So that was from Big Ben. From Big Brandon Doyle. We've got a special Christmas present. The book is Wool, unraveling an American story.

of artisans and innovation. So yes, this is the, for anyone keeping track, this is the history of wool. Is that the, two of Tommy's most passionate areas, wool and history. Is that the White House on the cover with sheep in front of it?

Is that, have I seen that? Yes, that is exactly what it looks like here. All right, I guess I'll have to read it. So the history of wool. It's just an intersection of two. It's just, yeah, we, I had a conversation with Brandon about this at Crew Falls and he was like I'm going to find that book.

Wait, like you knew the book existed or you're just saying. I didn't know that existed. Either he knew it existed or we said how fun. Maybe he didn't know it existed but we had said how funny it would be if there was a book about the history of wool. I think maybe that was the scenario. He's listening

live so it is, but you are kind of a book guy now. Yeah. No, he had to research. So we were just talking about the idea and he found it. Okay. I'd at least give it a skim through. I don't know. Sure if I'd read every page. No, you need to read this thing and we need a full... How many pages is that?

Well... It was fairly big. Taking out like some of the, you know, stuff at the end of it, we're getting to probably about 170 pages. Oh, well, I could sit and read. I could sit and read that. You can pop through wool. That wouldn't be terrible. Yeah. Brandon said it's pretty legit, honestly.

I believe it. So we'll get that to you. My note from Big. Big Ben on the wire was the blasphemy ends now saying that I need to actually do the wire. One last sack segment. There's more. This one is from Big Chat, Hoochie. It gets hotter than a hoochie-coochie.

And can you tell what's presumably in the box here? It seems kind of record size, doesn't it? Yeah. And, you know, I've got Gordon Lightfoot back here. We've got creed. We've got Asinomics. What do you think would be fitting? Don't say anything.

But if you're watching along at home, what would be the most fitting addition to the collection up there? I got two ideas. You got an idea? I got two ideas. Let's see. Yeah. You're probably... Actually, I got three ideas.

I got three ideas. Can I say my three ideas? Yeah, what do you got there? It's either got to be disturbed. Buck Cherry or stained. It's got to be one of those three. Because I'm assuming he doesn't have the golden eye soundtrack on vinyl. I'm assuming that doesn't exist.

So yeah. I'm trying to think of what button I've got here. Let me close your ears in case this is the wrong button. No, not that. Not that. No. Oh, there it is. It is.

It's upside down. upside down. Disturbed. Disturbed. Yep. Not going to want to open that one. Lose the value on that. Disturbed.

What's on the back of that thing? Well, disturbed. No, it's, oh, okay, the band, all right. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that album cover growing up. Yep. Side one. Voices the game.

Stupify. Down with the sickness, obviously. Stupify. That one got quite a few plays to you. Yep. Stupefize good. violence fetish. I don't know that one. Fear.

Numb, want, conflict, shout, 2000, dropping plates, meaning of life. I'm sure I've heard some of those other songs, but none of those other words mean anything to me as far as songs go. What is shout?

Is that a cover of? No, you make me want a shout. No, it's like, shout, shout. Is it a cover of that? I don't know. Let it all right. It could be. I think when dropping plates,

you probably heard that song. I don't know. Have I? Oh, yeah, I think so. Okay. I mean,

I'm sure all of those are on one of the iPods at the gym, so I probably have heard all of them, but I just don't know the names of them. Oh. So this will find a permanent home. Yeah. Maybe even have to play this.

Kind of made me think, you know, it would be hilarious if I also put a record player in the gym and like occasionally actually played some of these on vinyl. It would just be broken. Usually just hook it up through the same. speakers. Oh, my God, people can't keep like an ox cord not broken. Can you imagine a record player? I know. It would just be destroyed because somebody would like, oh, yeah, you got to check this out.

And they just rip the thing off. Would last like 30 seconds. And it's like, yep, I turn around. Somebody broke it. I don't know how, but they broke it. Yep. And that's a long extended version of what's in Tanner sack. That's maybe the most impressive sack segment of all time right there. only comes once a year. That's not even, I mean, I've been getting Christmas cards, all kinds of other stuff. Yeah, that's everything that I had within reach here. Some of the best there for what's in Tanner Sack.

We got time to talk about one other thing before we jump into some serious business. Yeah, we got time. What do we want to get a new bar or what are we talking? Actually, because we're kind of talking pop culture a little bit here, I don't know if you saw this. There was the Discord. Someone put a movie list in there. Yeah.

Because, you know, there's this, there's this reputation going around about me that I don't, I don't take kindly to it. It's a reputation that I haven't seen a movie in my life. Oh, I've never heard anyone say that before. Yeah, like some, everyone thinks that I'm some uncultured swine over here, that I don't know anything about anything. And I think the turntables turned a little bit on this 100 best movies of the 21st century. Because there was a lot of talk about how, oh, Tommy's probably never seen any of these movies. and Tanner, I pulled up the list here. This is the New York Times 100 best movies of the 21st century.

So 21st century. No one really knows what the 21st century is. So we're just going to have to just go assume that they know what that was. But I will say, of the top 10 movies of all time that they're ranking for the 21st century, I've seen eight of them. So I think that's a pretty good number. Let's hear the top 10 list so everyone can play quickly so they can play along at home. Okay.

Because I never gave my, I never looked into this. I'll start at number 10 and work it down to one. So there's a little suspense. Number 10. The social network. Yes. Yes for me. Number nine.

Is that the 10th best movie of the 21st century? That's what they have. The 21st century. Number nine, spirited away. No. Do you know what it is? No idea. It's, uh, is it, uh, Miyazaki.

I've, it's like an anime thing. I've seen a princess mona noke. I've never seen spirited away. I've had it on my list forever, but I have not seen that one. Number eight, get out. I don't think so unless I don't know what that is. Jordan Peel, it's the one, he was like the guy from Keen Peel and then kind of made some horror,

thrill-thrill-thrill-ish movies. I have seen it. Okay. Number seven, eternal sunshine to the spotless mind. No. Oh, I've seen that one too. Okay. Number six, no country for old men.

Yes, good movie. Yep, good movie. See that one. Number five, moonlight. I don't know if I know what that is. Is it like Twilight? No. A young African-American grapples with his identity and sexuality

while experiencing the everyday struggles of childhood. Sounds just like Twilight to me. No. Good movie. I have seen that. Number four, in the mood for love, never seen this one. I didn't know what this was,

never heard of it, and I'm looking, it's something, something from Asia. I don't know what, if it's, what type of movie is. No clue.

It's from 2000. Number three, there will be blood. Yes. Yes. I saw this movie. The first time I saw it, it moved to my list of one of my favorite

movies of all time. Yeah, that's a good movie. I thought it was so good. Yep. I've watched it again a few times since. I don't know if I like it quite as much as I did the first time. I still love the movie, though. Number two, Mulholl and Drive.

No, I don't know what it is. I have seen that movie as well. Very, very weird. It's David Lynch, which means it's a weird-ass movie. And number one, Parasite. Has he seen it? No. I have seen.

I wouldn't watch. I wouldn't, that's not a movie I would watch. Oh, you would. No, you would like it. Do you think so? Oh, yeah. Do you know what it is? No, I guess I don't.

It was that one, it won, I think it won whatever, best film or whatever in, like 2019. It's a, it's a Korean movie, but. Is it subtitled? Yes. But it's very good. I actually think you would like that movie. But it's not, it's not a horror. No, no, okay.

That's what I thought. Yeah. That's what it sounds like to me. It does, but it's not that. It's, it's not that. I was just basing it all on a title that I know nothing about. Yep. If, if you watch that and you're like, oh, I hated that movie, I would be genuinely

surprised. Yeah. But anyways, the list goes on. There's 100 movies in it. I did a rough count. I could be off by one or two, but of the 100, I've seen about 48 of them. So, and of the 48 I've seen, I would say just about all of those. I would say, yeah, I could recommend that movie.

It was a good movie. So I don't, I mean, whether it's the best, you know, whether it's the actual 100 best movies of the 21st century. I don't, I clearly don't watch enough movies and all that. But I thought at the very least, all the movies on here were noteworthy or interesting and something that you could talk about. Yeah, that makes sense. I heard they're trying to make another social network.

Wouldn't surprise me. But they're just going to be... It's all going to be... It's all just going to be AI. It's just going to be bots talking to bots and we'll just watch it and watch it and like it. So you completely redeemed yourself, basically, you're saying? I think so.

I think I've seen a guy that doesn't watch movies. I feel like I've seen quite a few of these critically acclaimed movies on this list. What was the general consensus of people talking? Like how many people have people seen? I'd seen more than most people on this list. A lot of people were in the 20s. 20s and 30s is what? Is there any comedies?

There wasn't any comedies in those. I mean, let's be real. Comedies typically, you know, don't fall in the greatest movies of all time. I mean, Super Bad made the list number 100. Good. That is really good. I think that's a very relevant movie.

Yeah. So it had to be made in the year. 2000 or later. Is that the cut off? Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Okay. Yeah, a lot of good stuff on there, though.

All right. So you completely redeem? I guess, has he seen it? Yes. Take that, everyone. Take it. How about a little supporting our supporting members segment?

Let's do it. This is a, this is, especially in the constraints of season two, this is a relatively new segment. of the massonomics podcast where we give back to those that support the massanomics podcast you can also become a supporter you just go to masanomics.com slash join we have several options someone asked me the other day what uh what do i get like what's the different options you know what what what what what what what what option should i pick well my first advice would be pick the most expensive if that's not for you just move down the list until you find a number

that you're comfortable with and whatever the highest number that you're most comfortable with that's what I would recommend going with. There is a lot of stuff that comes with a supporting membership. It is the number one thing that helps massonomics keep ticking. It's the number one way you can support us. It keeps our grandfather clocks completely wound. Have you ever had a grandfather clock? No, but everyone can have dreams and goals, can't they?

What about those ones where they really fancy clocks, where they like come apart. Oh. And they like go back to, you know, like they do all this stuff. The, the topic of clocks is kind of a sensitive subject in,

uh, my family discussions because at my house, I would think a lot of people in our, the modern age have the same thing is that, uh, have a clock on me 24 seven. It's my phone. So I don't also.

And then also it's on every screen that exists in the house displays time. Like that's just how screens are nowadays. Uh, but my parents used to be a proper country. Yeah. My mom especially not only likes clocks. You know, they're also a, I serve the purpose of decoration. So there's a lot of clocks in my parents' house.

Clocks on the walls everywhere. And they're always ticking and talking and making noise. And I can't stand it. I don't like it. And then when my parents come to our house, they're mad because they can't see clocks anywhere. Yeah. And so it's, yeah, it's always a discussion point with our family

of the appropriate level of clocks in a house. Have you ever been around a classic cuckoo clock much? No. No, not the cuckoo clock. No. I like a good cuckoo clock. We've got one. We don't have it on, but we have a cuckoo clock. I'm sure the bird actually pops out. I'm sure my kids would love it. They would go crazy to see those bird pop out. I think maybe cuckoo clocks are German, I believe, possibly. That would not surprise me at all. Could be wrong. Fact check me.

Yeah, we'll see your clock. That sounds right. Yeah. Okay. Um, clocks, yes. One other thing about clocks, kind of, and how we used to be a proper country. At work, our microwave that I use to heat up my lunch every day is for some ungodly reason Bluetooth capable. No. I have no idea what it's for. But every time, and every time I go to use the microwave and I'm listening to something in my ear, you know, because I'll have like a one earphone thing in, like if I'm listening to. podcast or something like what one of your like an air pod or something yeah like an air pod an

air pod adjacent thing and uh just thing i work use that work and oh like but it's like your work headset though you're saying no it's not that either it's just it's not an actual air pod though is it's not an airport brand okay yeah yeah and the microwave when i go to use it every time will actually disrupt my transmission that i'm trying to what of what it'll actually like Does it like scramble it or does it just stop it? It just will like stop it. It'll just stop it. Is your head in the microwave when you're doing this?

No, it'll disconnect it because it's trying to connect. Which is insane. Yeah. So there's also this whole thing of like smart devices. And I remember when we got our house here, you know, has all these new appliances in it. And I thought, oh, actually, you know what? I do like the idea of my dryer telling me when a load is done.

because I won't forget about the washing machine. And then at a certain point, you realize like you're busy. And also I don't need my washing machine and my dishwasher and my dryer all pinging me all the time all day. So I turn the notifications off. But then I go in and I know this is a thing.

I know I'm not the first one to come to this conclusion, but at some point I decide to look at my router and like the bandwidth and the amount of bandwidth that your appliances are consuming. You're like, there is no reason. I don't want those things. I don't want those things connected to the internet. So I blocked all of them from internet access on the router.

And I'm like, they can be dumb appliances. I'm totally fine with that. All the, your microwave stealing bandwidth from being able to use the water. I'm like, why did the dryer use one gigabyte of data last month? You're a dryer. Like, you should consume zero data. It's insane.

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I know that much. Yep. Can tell you one thing. It'd be quite the surprise if this week's facility has as many VHS tapes as the one last week did. Oh, he watched the episode on YouTube too and commented. I saw that. Which is what everyone should be doing.

What if this one actually had more VHS tapes than last week? Like, what? Wait, is that a laser disc player? You know, I'm just like, we're not going to do, I don't think we're going to do one of these, but it's kind of crazy when you look at the West Coast. It is SoCal, the Bay Area. and then like Seattle.

Like it's just three major pockets. Yep. Wow. I've never noticed that until now how concentrated those are. Yep. It definitely is, isn't it?

Where should we go? Oh, I can go anywhere. Oh, boy. That's annoying. So many of these are lacking photos. Have we done,

have we been in the, just a, let me check one more here. Have we? Let's see how many photos we got on this one. If my internet would work. Okay. Okay.

I think I got a pretty cool one here. We haven't been in the Colorado area much lately, have we? I don't think so. Okay. Let's look in the sort of northeast Denver area. A little place called hole in the dirt. Hole in the dirt. I like the name already.

Hole in the dirt, Colorado. How many pictures we're working with hole in the dirt? That's a good question. Wow. Wow. Damn, 10. This might be the first one we've had with 10 photos in it. They call that the full Monty. Damn, okay. Well, then I know we got to kind of keep this moving because there's a lot to look at here. First photo right off the bat. I think this is a basement gym. It looks like an egress window behind there maybe. Yep, got to be. Got to be in the basement. All right. You got a basement gym. That's why they call it hole in the dirt.

There you go. Yep. It's all coming together. Okay. This. this place is loaded. This rack has got, I mean, we can't even go in depth on all of it. But the interesting part is this,

okay, it's a five-acent, it's a rogue monster light. And it has a ton of illegal calibrated plates on it. You see all those? Yeah. You don't see that too often. No.

It's got mutant metal. Got the snapback. Yeah. We got Rogue, Roller J cups. We got Barbell. Darko anchors with barbells and barbells. Right?

Yeah, there's a lot there. Ghost roller Jacobs. Did you say that? Yep, got those. It's, I mean, there's just a ton on, like this rack. It's got chains. It's got the chain cover. Like, there's a ton there's a ton right off the bat.

Photo two, we have a, I can never, I cannot keep these names straight. It's a, it's a rep functional trainer. And I can never remember if it's the Athena, or the Aries or the, I can't keep them straight, but he's got a standalone, well, this isn't really a standalone. It's just like a cage that he has just the functional trainer in. Yeah. He's got a speed bag.

Oh, yeah. Off to the side. Don't see too many of those, do we? No. We used to be a proper country where we had more speed bags. There's some dumbbells behind the functional trainer there. Photo 3, we got the deadlift platform and a wall of bars behind it. Yep.

Got some bandbell bars, some power bars, some curl bars, some Cadillac bars. He's got the Cleva Belt dual deadlift jack. Oh, yeah. There is not many of those around, is there? No. And this happens to be an official club of basement barbell. Also, a Massanomics certified training facility, of course. Heck yeah.

Drink Spotter XL in the foreground of that. Oh, yeah. That was just snuck in there, yeah. In the back corner, we got a log. It looks like maybe a curl bar in the corner there. It's shorter, right? Yeah, he's got like the Criterion bar there or something too, doesn't he? Those 360 handles or whatever they call them.

Yep. Some boxes, I think the rep open trap bar or something like that. Photo 4, we got a reverse hyper with, are those Ivanko bumpers on there? I think so. Yes. Do not see those very often, do you? Look at his wall of wall control with like... Yeah, what are those are those just change plates?

Microplates and stuff, I think, yeah. That's pretty cool too. Yeah, we got some maces. Right, are those maces standing up there? I think so. Medicine balls. Yeah, next picture we have... Four of five.

All right, we can see the rest of the dumbbells. Yeah, we kind of already got this angle. Nothing too crazy there. photo six this is the back of the functional trainer rack we got the bells of steel shoulder attachment side raise yeah kind of like a multi-flight rack attachment thing

okay uh so that's a cool little piece we've never actually seen one of those in a gym in i don't think oh he's got a peloton photo seven wait is this in a different spot now though yeah this might be a different room of the basement or maybe it's just like a offshoot of the base that yeah oh it's the same because they can see that grip wall and a wall control back there still yeah so peloton like that another curl bar on this plate tree with more leco plates oh we got the road what's it the 76ers oh yeah got some of them

bunch of stickers on that wall that's pretty cool yeah makes we wonder if this guy's in the sticker exchanged anyway i bet he is it smells like he is uh photo Eight. We got a hackpress leg squat machine of some kind. It's hard to tell from this angle. Photo nine. Oh, there's that speed bag.

Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep, there it is. Photo 10. Okay. What do we got all here? I'm just like racking my brain all of a sudden here because photo 10 takes a whole

different turn for. Yeah. We're still in a basement. But, okay, first of all, in the foreground, what is this white table thing here, Tanner? What am I looking at? I don't know for sure what that is. There's some type of device on there.

I can't see it quite well enough. Yeah. I know. There's some type of... At first it looked like an actual table, a vice. Like an actual vice. But I think it's a piece of gym equipment, but I don't know what it is for sure.

And then like to the... Oh, he's got the... Is that like a wrist roller thing? Oh, yeah. That's like a wrist-to-it on that thing. You can see the handle. It's like the CES-kney wrist trainer. Right.

And in the back, he's got the squat max. In front of the egress window. He's got the squat max. MD, is that what it's called? Yep. And then we have some more, like, like one inch barbells with plates on them. Yeah.

And is that a seal row? Yeah, that's what I would guess. And then there's like a chest supported row in the background there too. Yeah. What a loaded home gym. Man, there's a lot there. It's a lot to take in. Do you think you could get strong in the hole in the dirt?

Oh, hell yeah. We're getting hell of strong in that. hole in the dirt. Yeah, yeah. And I can only assume a hole in the dirt. Some of those bars had to have been Texas power bars. I would sure think so. Almost bet on it.

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Let me put something on my record player over here quick. Oh, I think I need to kick some people out of here first, don't I? Yeah, can you kick those? Oh, kick those Lahu Zahurs. They are out. So out of here. Ace Ventura Pet Detective, said it best. Classic.

What's the best Ace Ventura movie? Oh, Arn. If you've seen so many movies, what's the best Ace Ventura? Ventura movie. Okay, so I've seen one way more times than the second one. Yeah. What's the second one called? Is that one, is the first one just Ace Ventura Pet Detective and is the second one when nature calls?

Yeah, there you go. That's got to be right. I feel like the second one is more over the top. And I kind of like the second one more growing up between, you know, the rhinocene and just all that other stuff. It was so stupid. But I have it's been The first one pops up on TV once in a while So I see it occasionally or parts of it

It's been a long time so I've seen the second one So that's Exactly If you know when I'm growing up I would have picked the second one for sure Because it was so stupid I can't I'd have to give him a fresh look

To really give an honest opinion there What do you think? Which one's the one where he puts the asparagus In his mouth? I know the scene too I know the scene I can't tell you now. I don't even know.

I'm not sure. I'm going to go with that one. I was just like. The spragus really sealed the deal for me. I really liked it. I think it's the second one where he goes, Bumblebee tuna. Bumble B tuna.

Your balls are showing. I still say bumblebee tuna to this day because it's just, my wife's also a big fan of Ace Ventura. Okay, good. Good taste. Where did that rank in the top 100? You know, that was in century 20. It was in the previous century.

Again, no one knows what that actually means, but apparently it wasn't in the right timeline. Yeah. Okay. We did hear from Disturbed, and that does mean it's our title topic. And that means we're going to bust out our tier list of cardio. Finally, the Massonomics cardio tier list

coming to you at the 50-minute mark in episode 5008. It took us 5008 up, 50 minutes of episodes to make it here and we finally did it. So we're going to go through, it's mostly just like different forms of cardio that you could do. Like some might be a little bit of a piece of equipment specific, but mostly it's kind of general. Yeah, we're not really going like brand specific on this brand's fan bike. And this one's fan bike. Yeah, some are they kind of own the thing. But for the most part, we try to keep it more to the general training methodology of.

what it is. Some of these being like slightly lessen of an expert than we are in some other forms of here. They may not quite require quite as much deliberation, but I bet we'll get to a few here that are pretty debatable. You know, okay, so we got to come clean. So everyone knows, just so people understand,

we're not big cardio guys. Like that probably comes to surprise a lot of people. So there's a few of these I've never done, and there's also quite a few that I've done very, very little. So like any good list, we're coming to this with almost no. No point of authority. I do either own or have at least done most of these things sometimes, though.

I do own most of these things, actually, between the gym or at home or whatever it is. So I have done. I think we'll go through, though, we're going to find that there's maybe been quite a few in here that you haven't done it many years, if ever. Yes. And as is the rules of a massonomics tier list. whatever, whenever we get to something, we could use whatever logic we want to. And we will.

It's like, what are these ranked on? It's like, well, they're ranked on everything and nothing all at the same time. Yes, and those criteria will change between individual entries. Yeah. All right. Do you want to pick one first to start? Yeah, let's just start with good old classic jogging. I mean, is there a-

jogging with a silent J? Is there just a more universally understood form of cardio than just straight-up jogging. Like, I think everyone has probably jogged once in their life, right? For sure. But man, jogging. When was the last time you just went for a nice leisurely job, Tanner? Because you were doing a little running for a while. Yeah, but I wouldn't even call that jogging. Like, I wasn't going for like a 10K jog. I don't think you have to. There's a lot of people that say they jog and they basically go walk for a mile, but they call it jogging.

Right. But we'll get to walking because that's, you know, I know. I'm just saying people, there's a lot of people that use the term pretty loosely. I think jogging, and I'm just starting to rank things against other things to me on this list. And I think, I don't know why exactly.

I think jogging kind of sucks compared to a lot of the other things on here. To me, like, I don't think it's an F tier. It's a C to me. That's what I was going to say. To me, jogging is just like straight down the middle of,

there's worse form of cardio and there's way better forms. But it's just like, it's kind of just this. baseline just I would actually now that we're going to shit on some of these I would preface this with like if you're doing any of these things that's probably awesome like even if we say something is an aptier if you're doing it that's still a great thing and I would not stop doing it you know like oh but yeah that before yeah maybe that this is the claimer should be on these everyone actually listening to this should probably benefit from doing more cardio ourselves included

yeah oh absolutely why don't you dips just jog more well we probably should absolutely should But, yeah, jogging. Some of them will rank poorly just because it's funny. Yeah. And we might come back in. Some of them, it's just vibes. It's vibes. Some of them, I'm saying all of them.

It's just vibes here. Yeah. I think jogging is a C vibes, though, isn't that? Oh, that I really do. I feel like that just sets the baseline. Unfortunately, our baseline of C is one from the bottom. But I do feel like it's just a good old C tier, uh, C tier item.

Yeah. like that. And did you get my, did you get my list so you can see these pictures? I got it now. I'm tracking. Okay. All right.

Jogging. That's one on the board. Okay. I, all right. And here's actually, I'm doing one criteria. Well,

everything's getting judged for me on the, on one criteria going forward. Fun factor. And jogging, fun factor pretty low. So. Yeah, pretty low.

Like, that's one of your criteria. That's one of my criteria. I don't know what the other ones are, but fun factor is going to be one of them. Okay. How about, How about walking?

Walking. It's funny, just go a little slower. I think it goes way up the list. Because I think everyone can do it. It's better than jog. Like it is. Walking's way, because it's like, get your steps in. Like it's the easiest way and you can do it.

Married to entry is the lowest. It's very low impact. You don't have to get all sweaty. You can just do it in your regular clothes. It's easier. Walking's like almost an S. I would almost lead towards A, but like maybe we need to.

revisit it as like that's an ass i don't i'm saying it's bare minimum a but uh yeah part of me does want to see where some of these other ones shake out because i could i could easily i'd say it's like a with the chance of promotion depending on what the list shakes out like mm-hmm it's not that exciting but it's just it's hard to just just so well-rounded yeah everyone can do it it's so inclusive yep you can do it in a group very easily the gold standard you know you learn to do it when you're like one. It's one of the first things you learn to do. Yeah, okay.

I like that. I like that. All right. Let's go. God, there's just some real variety here. Okay. Because we did just do walking,

we're going to do the counterpart to walking. I'm going to say treadmills here. Okay. And way worse than walking. Right, right. Right. It's at bare minimum deserves to be one. one tier below walking.

But I think actually walking on a treadmill, it's still probably, if jogging's a C, to me walking on a treadmill is probably a C too. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good with that. That checks,

the logic checks out to me on that. I feel like that's a C. So we're saying going any speed on a treadmill. Well, actually, that is a good point. Yeah, because it's,

yeah, we won't split hairs on that. We're just going to say anything on a treadmill. So, yeah, I'm going to, yeah, we're going to say C there.

That totally makes sense to me. God, we're just, he's seen this test right now. Okay. Ooh, stair climber. So are we saying a step mill? Yeah, whatever. Your preferred terminology is. Stepmills are pretty legit.

I don't have one. I would love to have a stepmill. And like any bodybuilder you talk to, or they're always like, yep, step mill. get really high praise from everyone. I've used one before. I mean, it's maybe been one or two times in my entire life. And it was,

I used to use it at the YMCA a lot. Oh, did you. It was, it was pretty brutal. Like, you would just drench that thing. I want to say even when we were at Jujis, did he have one there? Like, did he say that's,

upstairs, didn't he? Yeah, that's like one of his preferred methods of cardio, isn't it? Yes. Because it's, it's, I feel like everyone says this is like you can get such a good workout in. but it doesn't beat you up in the way that a lot of cardio can. I don't have one, so I never get to do it.

I haven't done it for like over 10 years, and I'm almost feeling like it's close to an S tier based on just kind of the vibe check. Like it's like an S or an A to me on the stepmill. I could believe that. I've just heard too many good things about them. I think we should almost put it in the S for now. Like I think that that's how, even just talking about it

is making you want a step mill. I know. Every time we're about the step mill, they're very tall. Yeah. Every time we've ever had, ever seen one, you always kind of get pretty hyped on it. Yeah. Step mills are, bells of steel has like a relatively economical one that I've been interested in before. Yeah.

The last commercial gym I was at Had one and there was always. Someone on the step. Someone on it. It always was, yeah. Maybe someday I'll know what it's like. Okay. Half lives. Next.

Let's go. Okay. Next, let's go Jacob's ladder. Who's Jim did we tour that just had a Jacob's ladder? Gunner Peterson had one. And Judy had one too. That's true. I've never really gotten to use it.

I know, we've never really gotten to use it. It's so rare. They're insanely expensive. Yeah. I also. That's got to be a tick against them, right? Just how expensive. They're insanely expensive.

They take up a ton of room. They're enormous. And then also, I kind of feel like people say, I thought maybe it's Jujit Dolis, from a maintenance standpoint, they're an absolute nightmare too. Like if anything breaks on them, you're just screwed.

And he was kind of like, I would just use the stair, the stair climber. I think that was kind of what he kept coming back to. Is that like, don't get that. It's funny.

It's a very novel piece for sure. It's very novel. I don't know if they, like I just think of like, my kids, if you put all the cardio pieces, I think that's the one, they'd be like, what is that? I got to see what, you know, they'd be, like, drawn to it. I feel like the things we're saying would,

most of the things we're saying would not rate it very high. No, no, it's, it's, the only, the only thing is I've just never really got to use one. So that's, uh, it's hard for me to say. But I don't know. I think because of the terrible limitations of the machine and all that stuff. Like, it's probably that's what knocks it down. though.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be a C or an F tier. One of those two. I could be on board with either of them. We'll go F for now. Okay, because I haven't really come across on the list of what is definitely an F's to me. And we've got to have some Fs. So maybe as we talk more, we'll come up to more Fs.

Yeah, we'll put that there for now. Okay. Okay. How about swimming? swimming. This one's a tough one for me because I'm more of a not drowning kind of guy than I am. I'm more of a not drowning than I am a swimming. So swimming laps wouldn't really.

Well, so for that matter, it is a skill way different than walking or running or jogging. It is a learned skill. Is anything else on this? Well, kind of. We'll get to a couple things. We have a few things in here that are learned skills. Almost none of it is a skill, but swimming is the one that's a skill. skill. I don't know if that makes it better or worse, but like it does differentiate it.

Wait, wait, wait. Are you dumb playing the Jacobs ladder right now and saying that's not a skill? Well, I don't even really know. Turns out the Jacobs ladder is just insanely hard to do. See, swimming's interesting because I do, I do love being in some water. I love water sports. I love the whole thing with it. That being said, I've never. I've never. Have you ever swam for a hundred yards? I've never swam laps in my entire life. I mean, I've, yeah, I've swam a hundred. Well, I actually, I actually don't know if ever swam a hundred just straight up yards.

Yeah, right. I probably never have. That's not even what the measurement is within a pool, I guess. But like in my mind, like, you know, like do a couple laps in a pool or something. I've never done a couple laps in a pool. Like it, because I'm just like, if you do do it, aren't you just like screwing around and you and your buddies are just like pushing off? Yeah, that was how far you can push off from the wall.

Yeah, stuff like that. How long you can hold your breath, just, you know, dump things. Or like, when you're in the lake, you're just like swimming from. one point. Like you're never right just you know in the zone actually swimming laps um so that's what I'm not good enough at that at that exercise for it to be yeah you know I think it it can't just based off of what it is because the high technical barrier it's got to move it down a notch or two from you know it's probably pros are it's like really it's low impact it's low impact and a really good workout too like you know but it's also not also like stresses your upper body.

a lot more than some of these do probably. Yeah, but it's not like load bearing, you know, in the way that, so you don't get that benefit. Right. I mean, you get the resistance, but you don't get any actual, like, weight. You know what the weirdest part to me about swimming is that I've, because I've never done it, that I can't, never can wrap my head around? You know, when you're out running, you're sweating or doing any of these things you're all sweating, but you're like in the water.

Yeah. So what does that feel like when you're sweating in the water? See, when I was younger, we used to get some really heated, like, water basketball games going. And you're just, like, hot in the water is what it is. You're just, like, you're just really hot. Yeah. So what do you think? I don't really like swimming that much, but it's probably good cardio.

I don't know. Yeah. It's, I don't think it's an F. To me, it's a B or a C. Yeah, I'm good with either of those. It does have that high technical barrier and you don't really get any weight training benefits from it. But it is as far as a straight-up cardio goes, it is pretty good. So I don't know.

I'm probably kind of put it in a C category if jogging's going to be in there. I think I'm going to put swimming in there too. I'm good with that. Okay. Do we have fan bike on here? Is that a thing? Well, what did we write here? We have.

Echo bike. It's a fan bike. But that's, yeah, I think we can just put all fan bikes kind of in that category, right? Yeah, I think so. Um, they suck. Yeah. I actually don't really like using the fan bike very much as, as far as like all the different, uh, types of cardio I have at the gym and stuff.

The fan bikes sucks. You know, the funny thing about fan bikes is marketplace also seems to support your, um, thought that no one, no one really does enjoy their fan bikes because they're constantly for sale. Yeah. It's, it's not impossible and not, not even probably, that challenging, but it is kind of hard to do, like it's not a great

steady, it's not the right tool for steady state cardio. Yeah, it's really hard to do it that way. But for hit training, it's really good and it is brutal. I don't like it that much though. It doesn't, I don't, of all the different ones we have options, I don't find myself going into

it as much. Yeah, I would say the pros it has for it are, if we're just talking fan bikes in general, you can find one pretty easily if you want to. You know, you don't, you know, some people would say, like, the echo bike is the gold standard. But there's a good chance you can hop on marketplace and find a used Schwinn-Eardine for less than $100 in your area.

Yeah. And the footprint they take up is relatively small, considering all things. You can move them around. And you can move them around. So, like, it does have some things going for it. But, yeah, the steady state thing makes it a challenge. I almost wonder how easy it is to get, though, and be able to use that as a pretty big pro. Yeah.

Especially a used one. like every gym we go to, not everyone, but, you know, like 50% of the gyms we tour have a fan bike in them, don't they? A lot of them do. Yep. Yeah. I think it's like a B item. I think it's a pretty solid B tier. Yeah. And that's also the other problem with swimming is that you can't just go swimming. Like you got to go to. It does require a body of water. Also, I think it sucks feeling like you're in chlorine for a long time and getting out of the water after that. I'm like, I never like that feeling of like chlorine being just covered in chlorine for a hour. You don't like a good chemical bath?

Come on. No, I don't. It's very cleansing. The older I get every time I'm in a pool, the more I think about all the other people that are also in the same body of water, which is really disgusting. No, it's not awesome. Like when you go to, when I go to the Y or wherever, you know, water park, I'm like, there's like 60 other people in here. Yeah.

And there's little kids, there's old people. Some people have made some very questionable life choices, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross. It's gross. What did we put swimming at, actually? Swimming's a sea.

Okay. No higher for the grossness factor. I just remembered how gross it is. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Let's go, um,

let's go jumping rope. I like jumping rope. I've been jumping rope. You know, I jump rope like a few times a week. I do it as a knee-hab exercise right now. I do single-leg jump rope. Yeah. Is what I do.

Like how long are you going for when you're doing this? Not that long. I literally just do it like as a part of a quick warm-up. Like a minute or less maybe? Yeah, I'll do like, say like a minute two-footed, then like a minute on just my right foot and then a minute on my left foot. Okay. Just roughly speaking.

Yeah, I actually typically warm up with a jump rope too at my house just because I've been sitting around all day. I feel like, sometimes you just need to, like, jump around to wake up and get the body out of the eight hours of sitting down mode. It's very cheap. Very cheap. It takes up no space. You can do it anywhere, anytime. It's good.

Jump rope for heart was fun when you were a kid. That's the, like, jump rope's kind of fun because you can do just regular, like you're saying. Crossovers, you can do doubles. Yeah, you can do the, like I teach show every time because I know, you know, I can, just from being a kid in our. era everyone, you had to jump rope. It was like a thing. So like when you kind of know how to do, it's like a little parlor trick even too on some of the stuff.

Is that a skill barrier to entry though? Like do some people not know how to jump rope? Well, some people definitely don't know how. But I mean, it's not. The stakes of getting it wrong are much lower than if you're trying to learn to swim and you don't figure that out, you know. There's a reason it's sink or swim and not jump rope or die or whatever. I think jump rope is probably an A or a B.

What do we got on our A list so far? It's almost up there. I think jumping rope is underrated. I'll say it's pretty fun. It's more fun. It's more fun. It's more fun. Do you have a good jump rope?

I bought that was one of the first. I was thinking about buying a better jump. I just have whatever. I don't even know where are the jump rope in the gym. I have an actual like rogue speed rope or whatever. Yeah. We might have that too. I don't even know.

So do you have, is it the really thin one with the really thin handles? Yeah, yeah. I like the, I like the, uh, rope to have a little more weight to it. It's, I think it's easier to get a rhythm going. Yeah. With the thicker ones. Cause this one, I mean, I'm usually pretty good. Like I can, I can like do, what do they call them?

Doubles. And I can like fire those off back to back. But sometimes it's hard when there's just like, it's so thin that there's so little resistance and it's like hard to catch your rhythm on it. Because we, we do have that one. ones like that. But I like the ones that are just like, you know,

like an eighth inch thick rope. That's, I think that's what I would actually prefer if I took it a little more seriously. Or you know, then the flip side of it, it's funny,

keep bringing up Jugi. Jugees big into the rope flow thing, you know, where that's like a big, thick rope. And they're not even really jumping rope. They're not, yeah,

they're like, there you're just like spinning the rope. Yeah, it is. I'm not going that far. I'd like to come to the gym sometime and see just catch you in the corner doing that. I mean, I've probably done dumber stuff. Deep in the world of that somehow and you're keeping it a secret.

I've done dumber. Okay. Biking out like an actual bike outside. Outdoor biking. Love outdoor biking. Oh, fun factor. Might be one of the funest things on this whole list. It's the best.

It is the funnest. Actually, now that you're saying it, like it's, I don't know. How is biking? outdoor not an S. I wasn't even thinking about this as we started it, but now I'm like, the shitty part in South Dakota is you're limited when you can do it. That doesn't mean that I don't want to do it. It just means you literally can't do it for half of the year. But, and it gets so, it gets so fun once your kids can do it too. Oh, yeah. It's a family activity. We bike all over town and like, Aberdeen's not a big town, but we've got enough bike paths

that you can basically go, you know, you can take your kids, for an eight mile bike ride and not, you know, it's not odd in a little, like you can do it anywhere. Well, some places probably aren't set up very good for biking too, I suppose. But, uh, yeah, but I mean, it's one of those things where it's, uh, it's like a quality of life thing that more places are trying to be more bike friendly, you know, right. Like, especially in this part of the country where like that never, that, the concept of that never existed. What are the cons of biking?

Um, I guess a bike, bikes, bikes can be pretty expensive. Yeah, yeah. But that is the, I guess to me, that is kind of the cool part about biking is it's one of those things where you can spend as much as like, I would imagine you go on marketplace and find a really cheap bike. And like you can no doubt spend unlimited amounts of money on a bike too. For a hundred bucks, you could definitely get a bike though that's going to like work. Work. You know, and have two wheels and probably brakes. Right. Yeah, I don't know.

Biking is probably an S tier to me. I think it's an S tier. It's the most fun. Yeah. And it's a mode of transportation. True. That's why it's fun because you're covering so much ground. Yeah.

That's what makes biking so much fun. Yeah. Got hills and if it's nice out too. Like if you get like a perfect day for biking, what's better than that? Not much, man. There's not very many of these things on this cardio list that I could or would want to do with my kids. Right. Biking.

Hell yeah. Biking and Jacob's Ladder. That's pretty much work. It's like, all right. It's a Saturday in the summertime. Get off the free time. You will find me and my kids either on the bike trails or on the Jacobs ladder. Jacob's ladder is okay, but what I really like to do with my kids, I set up the really tall extension ladder all the way to the peak of the house and we just walk up and down it.

All of us, even the two-year-old. It's exciting. We're more of just a regular, regular ladder family here. All right. Next up, let's go. Wait, I picked, did I pick biking or did you? I think I picked biking.

Okay. Next up, let's pick, let's pick hiking. Hiking's also good. You know, you could say that it's like walking, but more scenic and harder. Yeah. Hiking's really good. It's like the biking of your feet. If that wasn't just walking to begin. The thing about hiking, though, where, well, you know, walking, I could literally start walking right now.

I could not start hiking right now. kind of, hiking is somewhat location dependent. Actually, you could say it's not great for hiking. You can say hiking is actually entirely location dependent. Like that is what separates hiking from walking is the location. But if you live somewhere like the black hills of South Dakota, hiking is a lot fun. But the, so the accessibility to it can be much lower or zero depending on where you live. Right, right.

So by that metric, it has to be down a notch from walking. Yeah. Maybe that's where it goes. It's just down a notch from walking. Yeah. I think it's better than walking, but it's just so much harder to, you know, hiking, going on a good hike is way more fun than just going on a good walk. Oh, absolutely.

It's hard to be able to. It's just like so much more extreme, you know, and like it's just so much more adrenaline involved. Well, and then I put my Patagonia hat on and my camel back and I, right to the top and you, you know, you wave to the people in there, Keens as you walk by. And we're all one big happy family. I like hiking though, but I think B makes sense for reasons. Okay. How about the elliptical?

Mm. Commercial gym favorite. How about it? A commercial gym favorite, the elliptical, maybe favorited by elderly people wanting to do cardio also. I wouldn't say just elderly. I'd say damn near everyone. Like my last time in a commercial gym, they had one or two like stair mills. And typically like one of them was getting used.

But the staples of the commercial gym are 15 treadmills and almost equal number of ellipticals. And those two are both getting hit hard. I'm not sure why, but I think ellipticals suck. I think it's the thing of them like fitting your body correctly. Because, you know, it seems like. Like you do the thing you get this short pet, you're like, eh, I have to elliptical like this. Because I don't know, like I'm no elliptical officiato, but it's like, I don't know, this machine somehow fits someone that's five foot tall and also someone that can be over six feet tall

when like their stride and proportions can be wildly different but you know i don't there's no adjustments on an elliptical is there maybe there is on some maybe on nicer ones than too they have a really big footprint too like some of those they do those are like 10 feet long it seems like yeah yeah commercial ultimate commercial gym staple though like there's nothing that there's more of it than elliptical unless it's possibly treadmills. Yeah, it's treadmill elliptical. Like, you're starting a commercial gym, you're loading it up with those suckers.

But like in the gyms we tour, there's never an elliptical. I don't, outside of, I think, did Juggie have one? I don't know, maybe. I thought upstairs he had an elliptical. Jacob's ladder had a stair... Did Gunner have an elliptical?

Oh, he probably did. We probably just... I don't know. I don't recall, like I just... He had so much there, though, that it's hard to remember. But none of the home gym, you know, we see treadmills. we see fan bikes, we see rowers and all that stuff.

Like there's never an elliptical. Like I know Ashton had ellipticals in his warehouse. Yeah. Because he's selling to like commercial gyms and stuff. Yeah. Like nobody has ever even come into Massanomics gym and been like, oh, I wish you had an elliptical. It's kind of surprising even that, you know, more of these home gym base companies as they build out their elliptical lines,

sorry, their cardio lines with pieces that we're going to talk about soon here. But no one's ever introduced an elliptical. I just wonder if there's no market for home gym ellipticals. Which is kind of surprising, though. People have been talked into dumber shit, honestly. True. I don't know. It's probably a C-ish, maybe.

Yeah. Good with that. I mean, it doesn't have the novelty factor of a Jacobs ladder. It's borderline F to me. I think C is probably accurate. Okay. Like, we'll go off. I mean, they're good for, like I say, elderly people because they're like no impact, right?

So that's the pro of an elliptical. Yeah. It's also just like, it seems like mostly everyone's doing easy shit on an elliptical. Oh, I think that's why they're using it. Because you can just do it forever and it's never hard. Yeah. Like, I feel like walking gets harder than just going on an elliptical. Oh, yeah.

Because you just walk faster and then it's, I guess you could, I guess you could, I guess you could elliptical faster, but yeah. Okay. Did you? Oh, I did that. You did that one. Let's go with, um, let's go with battle ropes. I've never done that.

Like, I've probably like comically done it a couple times before, but I've never really been like, all right, I'm doing the battle ropes now. We have a bunch of ropes at the gym. You could do something like that. I don't know that I've ever seen anyone do it. But it seems like if someone hires a trainer at a commercial gym, they're going to have you do battle ropes. But you don't see just random people,

like other people that are doing their own training or training for a specific, like I never seem to do it backal ropes. No, or if you need to like have someone doing something for like a fitness commercial or like a real, like bust out the battle ropes here. Yes. Like sometimes a fitness promo, there's going to be battle ropes involved.

Maybe like a tire. That's true. Maybe a sledgehammer on a tire. And battle ropes. And like you'll be. jumping up at like running stairs, you know, like in a stadium. It's like just pick the most cliche fitness things you can do. But I don't remember ever seen a battle rope in my life until like 2010-ish.

Like shortly after high school, like maybe even 2008. I remember seeing them pop up. And before that, I don't know if I'd ever seen that in my life. And it's, I mean, it's definitely a thing, but it's got to be an F, right? I guess it's cheap. Like you just need a rope. Although those ropes like that are some of those ropes. are not that cheap.

I kind of take that back. Then you kind of need the room to do it. I don't know. I guess a pro is you use your upper body. You know, I feel like it. Or not a pro, it's just different than some of the other ones. But yeah, I don't like battle ropes, really. It doesn't pass the vibe check.

I think it's an F. I think it's an F tier. I'm good with that. I mean, do people ever do it at Masonomics? No. Okay. Yeah. It's probably happened before.

but I'm sure it's happened. I think I've done it before just to be like, what's that feel like? I have to know what this is about. Yeah. How about the rower? I'm a big bit of a rower guy. You are a bit of a rower guy.

Although I'm not putting rower into the top of the list. I do really like rowing. I like the concept two rower. The fan bike, like I said is very hard to do steady state cardio and I think the rower is better for being able to do both.

Steady state and hit. I like to do be able to do both on the rower. Relatively low impact on the lower body. Some people don't like the way it makes you feel on your back. You know, you use your back a lot more than a lot of

these other cardio options. It's expensive. Even a used rower is expensive. you can probably get cheaper brands. I guess I always think about the concept too. But they're pretty space efficient and light though, too is a pro. Yeah. When they're down, the footprint is relatively big.

But you can put them away. I'd probably put it like middle of the road almost in my mind. It's kind of a bee. Yeah. I really like it, but that's just some of my personal bias. I don't think my personal bias is where it really fits. I think it's more of a B.

Yeah. We had the fan bike at a B though. We didn't have fan bike. at a B, yeah. I mean, I think it's better than the fan bike, but it might just be a higher B. I don't think it's as good as Jumping or Oprah walking.

I'm good at B. Okay. It's better than, I just want to be on record that it's better than the fan bike. I agree with you. We'll see all the rest of this shakes out. Maybe there'll be some changes at the end here. But, yeah.

Next up, let's go with a ski erg. What's the, it would be like a ski org? skier. Like, is ski erg actually the, the proprietary, like, brand specific name? No, I'm looking here though. Concept 2 has a ski erg. Rower. Oh, no, sorry, that's still rogue. Yeah. Is it just a skier? Is that what people actually call it then? I don't know. I know what you're talking about, though. We actually come across them relatively often in home gym tours. It's becoming more common.

Dr. Tatwafs had the one from, you know, fitness. It's, it's sort of like the machine version of battle ropes kind of. It is. Well, that's not true, though. Like Torque Fitness, they have the ski erg. They also have the endless rope. Well, do you know about the endless rope? Yeah, but the endless rope's a different thing here.

Yeah. We can have that into the list, too. I don't know if we need the endless rope as a... I didn't, I don't hate the endless rope, though. I think it's kind of funny. Have we gotten to anyone that has one of those? I don't think so. I don't think we've ever really come across the end of this.

That's a very specific piece. I might get an endless rope because I've been talking about getting a skier. Maybe an endless rope would be fun. Maybe it'd be just novel enough that people would use it. You know, that it's just like, I've got to try this thing. What the hell? I got to find the end of this damn rope. It's endless.

Because I have been talking about getting a skierg for quite a while and I haven't put the trigger. There's a used concept two one in Britain, South Dakota. Really? And it's been for sale there. for many months and I said, Oh, do they ever come to it? Lifts it at 700. Okay.

It costs like over a thousand. I figured maybe I could get it for five or six. And I said, oh, do you ever come to Aberdeen? It's like, not really. And I'm like,

well, if you want to sell it, let me know. You live in Britain. You're not going to sell it. Right. Unless you're like, you're going to have to.

When you're ready to deliver, buddy. Yes. I'm like, but seriously, if you live in Britain and someone hasn't bought it relatively quickly, you just say, you know,

there's no new market. coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The town you live in of 500 people hasn't sold it yet. Then you just, yeah, at that point you say, you know what? Saturday, I don't have anything to do. I will drive this thing to Aberdeen and collect my chat. I kind of thought he would say that because I'd be like if you wanted to sell it.

That's what you. And I'm like, really, you don't ever come here? You probably do at least a few times here. You have to. If you don't, you probably should be. You go to Walmart at some point, right? You know, like, this is the closest Walmart to you. Is there a closer wall?

There might be a close. I don't, what would be, oh boy, I don't know, unless there's one, like, go to North Dakota. But like, what town? Watertown wouldn't be closer. I wouldn't think so, right? I don't think so. Maybe at best it'd be, at most it'd be a horse apiece. Yeah.

Like, does, well, in Jamestown isn't closer, is it? No, no. I don't think so. I guess it is farther north. Yeah. This is a little northeast South Dakota. A little geography lesson. Geography too.

Where is the closest Walmart to Britain and for this guy that won't sell me as concept too. Oh, it's definitely not James Don. I'm just looking at the map here. Yeah. It's, oh. Oh, God, yeah.

Britain to Aberdeen. I mean, is that 45 minutes maybe? Yeah. It might not even. You definitely come here. You're crazy. Yeah. Wow.

Okay. That being said, the skier. I feel it's worse than the rower. It's worse than the fan bike. So it's a C at the best. I think so. And it's kind of surprising,

but I actually think that that's probably the right answer there. Yeah, it's a C. Okay. It's a fact. It's also a little more upper body specific, you know, than the other ones too. I mean, I know it's a full body workout, but it is targeting the upper body a little more.

Right, right. Okay. Did I say that one or did you? I think I did. Okay. I don't know. It seems like I always did. It's just somehow Tanner does every single one of them.

All right. Let's do, okay, here's kind of a wild card. Let's do other sports. Did you write slash basketball or did I put that in that? I think we wrote down basketball or that was the idea. But then we were talking and it's like,

well, technically you could be doing us doing any type of game or sport here because this list could go on forever if you were to say, well, what about baseball? What about basketball? What about volleyball, whatever game you like to play? I guess that does make it a little harder because there's going to be varying levels there.

Right. But you get it. You're playing volleyball, playing basketball, playing. Yeah. Okay. So this also will include pickleball. Well, yeah. Yeah.

Pickle ball, tennis. Let's say. Pickle ball, tennis. You know, pickleball would be really, you know, nationwide. That would be the most of the things we're talking about. Everyone plays pickleball now. Yeah. They do.

See, okay. The thing about sports is fun factor is. It's the highest, right? Through the roof. It's like the only thing that would come close on fun factor would be biking. And it's. And these are even way more. Playing noon ball is so fun.

Just freaking exhilarating. Now we'll get to other parts, but we're just talking fun factor through the roof. Yeah. I mean, that's totally uncomparable. Yeah, there's tons of people that are in really good shape and really good at sports and hate training, you know. Yeah. Like they just do it because they love playing sports so much. the game factor of it.

If you're competitive, all right, we're also talking about competitive. Yeah, you can do, you run in 5Ks and, you know, that's certainly a competition. You could be, do bike races. You could do triathlons and do the swimming and stuff like that. But there's something. The same is something would actually be engaged in competition. Mono. Actively against someone, you know.

Yeah. At the same time. Yes. It's not the same. It's just like power lifting is not the same as, uh, Even pick a ball. I'll even say, you know,

it's like where you're literally battling out. Even strong on a sport where you kind of can be actively sort of competing against someone. Sort of. But it's, yeah, it's always kind of sort of though is the thing.

A little bit sort of, depending on the thing and the setup, maybe, you know? Yeah. I was from playing noon ball like two or three times the week with lifting.

I was getting in really good cardio vascular. Yeah. I remember you were like dropping pounds like, you couldn't keep weight on. Yes. Because you can burn. When you're, you know, talk about high intensity interval training, do that for like 90 minutes straight. Multiple times a week.

And here's what you're able to do. If you hop on a rower, a fan bike, a treadmill, an elliptical, anything like that. Even if you push yourself, you only push yourself to a certain point. Yeah. And when you're doing an actual game, a sport, you'll just keep going. Yeah. Because you're like, I mean, if you're competitive or, and mostly everyone is to a certain degree. Because it's just way more easy to compete when you're competing, you know, like, it's not just a number in your head.

Yes. But there's downsides. You could tear your ACL and not going to do it. The risk for injury is maybe the highest. Well, depending on the sport you do, though. Even if you're playing beer league softball, the number of people that like tear their hammy, rounding first base, they're like, oh, I got a good hit. Let me sprint for the first time in frigging.

I was to say part of the problem there is people being incredibly out of shape is is what that comes down to. Yes. And then trying to relive the glory days. But yeah, I mean, it's probably like an it's probably an it's probably an it's probably an eight here because I don't know. Maybe it's like it is S in the way that it's the funest and it's it is the most fun. But a lot of sports, the tough part is you have to have a person or a whole team of people to assemble and play again. and typically it's very organized. Like it revolves around being parts of leagues or teams

and you need to be in specific locations and doing it. And they are just really physically demanding beyond the cardio though. And that's, yes. You know, it's just like they can be, I don't know, maybe do people get hurt playing pickleball though? Probably not really like probably not playing tennis either. Or something maybe if you're.

I mean, yeah, like that can happen with anything that you're moving. Right. Right. But I would imagine for the most part, injury rates across the board have to be pretty low on pickleball. Yeah. But I don't know.

If we're just going to say like kind of sports in general, it's such a broad term. It's such a broad category that, to me it probably has to be an A because there would be ones that are probably S's, but there's also ones that would be like C's because, like it's going to nuke your training because you're just going to be so beat up from it.

Right. That it's a little give and take. So I don't, I don't know. Is A fair, do you feel like? I think. So I think so. I think that's good. It's not S because there's too many potential negatives that go along with it. ACLs, mostly.

ACLs, namely. A left one and a right one. Yeah, yes. Both of them. All ACS. Okay, how about something we both have? A Peloton. Oh, ho, ho.

Oh, I mean, I'd be fun for steady state cardio, especially when you're limited by being inside during the winter. Yeah, I mean, the biggest knock against Peloton is just the price. Like, that's the knock against it. That is the thing. The $50 membership is the big red, the machine. Negative takes up almost no space, you know. You can probably tuck it in a corner somewhere of where you're living.

The workouts are fun and engaging. They don't really beat you up. up, you know, I mean, you could do a really hard one if you wanted to, but they keep you engaged. Like there is a little of competitiveness to it. But they are, they're expensive. Like at the end of the day, it's the only thing on. It's one of the few things on here that requires an active membership or active money from you to keep it going. So part of me wants to say that it's an A tier because of that.

But also it's the only cardio that I've, this whole list that I've consistently done. And so part of me says like, well, doesn't that make it S tier if it's the only thing that you've been managed to just stick to consistently. I think it can't be, though, because it costs $50 a month. And that's where I can follow that logic. I can agree with that logic all day long of that. It's just so price prohibitive that. Right.

Because nothing on here, even like, even the Jacobs ladder for as expensive that is. Like in a couple years, you know, your $50 a month membership plus the bike up front. I don't know. How much does it cost to replace that damn ladder? I have to ask Jacob. I think A is fair though.

I can totally understand that on that one. Have you been doing much Peloton lately? I just wrote it again for the first time a couple days ago. I know, would you say it was like riding a bike? It was just like riding a bike. Did a 15-minute workout and it's impossible not to, I mean, possible not to get a sweat going and get a,

you know, I'll always start off and back, oh, this is so easy. And then by the, you get the resistance off enough and you start getting into a class, you're like, yep, it's not easy. Yep, yep. And why am I trying so hard all the sudden? Yes. Yes. What do we got next?

Looking at the list here. Let's do sled pushing. So that could be a prowler sled or torque. Yeah. You know, whatever, whatever device you use to. Backwards walking, dragging. a sled would be a common thing. You know, West Side Barbell, Knees Over Toes

Guy, a lot of backwards. I see people backwards walk in the gym a lot, actually, with sleds. Really? They do in the gym? Yes. I see that probably almost every day. Really? Yeah, the sled is always hooked up

for someone backwards walking. I see that all the time. And I think it's like, I think part of that is the knees over toes guy is that he has been such a big thing for him and a lot of people. Yeah, what follow that. I see, I don't follow that at all. I know it's a thing, but like, what is, what, what is he saying?

I think his, I think generally, I don't know, I'm going to bastardize it because I don't really know his stuff all that well, but I think he had a lot of knee problems. I think he played basketball, had a ton of knee problems. And he, like, one of the things he finally found that helped it was just like pulling a sled backwards. And he was like, I can scale. Or is it just like, I don't know, it's a different movement pattern? And that's what?

helps them? Like, what's the... I don't know the what the... Okay. I don't know the nuts and bolts of it, but... And I actually thought about the other day. I'm like, I never do that. I was just thinking I was going to start doing it a little bit even. Yeah.

Okay, but that's interesting because like a backwards walk is a much different exercise than a sled push too, you know? True. Yeah. But we're just going to, for the sake of this, just do one category. That is a very different version of it. But yeah, I guess it sleds. in general, though.

So with that, they are somewhat versatile. They can, they can be small footprint. You know, if you do have just like a simple. Sputink or the Bremey, Bremi strong.

Yeah, was the Sputink one? Was that like the magic carpet? Is that what they? Yeah, I think so. It's like something as small as that. Or you can go crazy

and have like a big old. A prouler. Or even like the torque tanks. Like, you know. Like, who are we just at that had the M1, the big tank? Hmm.

I don't remember. Oh, well, no, Seamus didn't have it? Oh, yeah, no, Shamis did he? I couldn't remember

he had that or a preller. No, he had the big tank, I think. Because they would push out on the gravel. We were outside and he was messing with the camera settings. I can't even remember what we were doing out there. Yeah, we were walking down his alleyway. I think that's where he was saying he pushes the tank.

Okay. Yeah, he pushed something back there. I couldn't remember who was the tank or a proler. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a tank. Yeah. Okay. I don't know.

I don't, I don't, I've never, done this before. I mean, I've pushed one, but it's never been a part of my program. So I'm I would... I like it. I like that it's kind of strength training related too. But

it's pretty full body. Yeah. I don't know. It's probably like a beat in the middle to me. I'd kind of ride the line on it. Okay. I think it's pretty versatile. It's not that expensive. It doesn't have to be. But I also just think it's not something you're going to go do for an hour either.

Yeah. Just like, the biggest downside to me is that you need like a runway of some kind, which depending on your situation can be a challenge and time of year. And then also depending on your device, the loading of plates can also add just another irritation factor to it depending on your setup. Okay. I think I wrote down Calisthenics, but I don't know if I even like that one. I don't know if that makes sense.

Yeah. I feel like we like, I don't even know what I mean. mean what I meant by that. Now that if I think about it, like doing what? Jumping jacks. People don't do that. Pull-ups and jumping jacks.

You can't do pull-ups for cardio. Like you do 10 and you're 10, you know. CrossFit would like to have a word with you. Yeah. Well, we do have at the bottom. I added CrossFit and High Rock. So we're going to count those.

That would be another question. I mean, for some people like that is. Is that a thing or like that's just, but all that that's just encompassing a lot of the other things that we talked about in this list. It's sort of, It sort of is, though, that is the tricky part about it is that.

So maybe those aren't good either. They're probably too broad. Yeah. So how about kettlebell swings? That's definitely something people do. I don't really like kettlebell swings. I don't either. To me, it's like I wouldn't do it for cardio.

I would do, if I was going to do kettlebell swings, I'd be like, I'll do some really heavy kettlebell swings and maybe do like 20 or 10 or 15, but I'm not going to, I don't want to do. kettlebell swings for 10 minutes or whatever. Right. Or 100 reps. Yeah. Also, like, my lower back gets,

and some of that stuff gets worked so hard just from lifting and training that usually in my cardio, I'm like, yeah, I don't really need, uh, I need a break from the, the muscle. Right. See, the interesting thing about kettlebell swings, you know, Donnie Thompson's a big proponent of them. Right. You know, he, I think he says that's how he got to his 3K total is.

That's true. and then working the kettlebell swings, but there's not a ton of people that take that, you know, approach to it. Right. But I wonder if, like what,

I'm curious what kind of rep ranges he was doing. Right. I don't think he was doing it for cardio reasons. Because I don't know if he knows, but he was always just a biscuit shy of 400. So he did tell us that before. So yeah, purely his cardio,

I've never really even met anyone that does kettlebell swings for cardio even. I also feel like no one really does. No one really uses kettlebells if we're being honest here. I don't see it very often. Actually, we see him pretty often. Not enough. I don't really see it happen in our. No, no, no.

I'm saying we see kettlebells often. Pretty much every gym has kettlebells. But I don't just, I don't think anyone really. I like to use them to hang from the rhino flex bar. Yeah, see, that's, I think it's like maybe where they get used more than anything. I don't know. But I bet in certain circles people are using them for that more. You know, like kettlebell circles.

Yeah. Very small circle. Very small handle on it. So what? Is it a C then? Yeah. Okay. Who is that?

Was that you? Yeah. So these last two that are left, is this just one topic? Oh, yeah. I think we could make it just one. So, okay, final one here. We have loaded carries. And, you know, probably the,

more accessible version here would be talking like some type of farmers walk, not necessarily like a sandbag. Yeah, or a sandbag, yeah. But yeah, loaded carries of some kind. Boy, okay, this one's actually pretty good because the equipment, especially if you're talking to sandbag, the equipment can be pretty minimal, doesn't take up much space. You need room to walk,

but most of these things on here require some room to move around. You can scale them. I was going to say you can load it up as much or as little as you need to. Like there's almost unlimited loading options. Which helps to make it more interesting. Right. And you can also, yeah, just scale it however you need to, depending on the day or the athlete or whatever.

It's not like swimming where there's a high technical barrier. I don't know. Is it an A tier maybe? Yeah, I guess the negative, if I'm just comparing it to other things, is some of the stuff is I just some of the stuff just isn't good for long steady state cardio as well and I'm like I don't know are people are you doing a 30 minute sandbag walk or are you doing a 15 minute but you do intervals by that same metric you could you could be

talking about a weight vest or something because some kind too technically okay that's actually a good point it's just a way scale downloaded carry than at a weight vest yeah it would be but then it's like well but is a weight vest rucking do we need to have rucking on here Right. And we also have hiking, so that's going to really splitting hairs here. I think loaded carries is pretty good. I like the strength component, of course, you know. I think that the, and it's just fun. Yeah. Kind of. It's a little bit more fun than some of the stuff.

It can be depending on. It's also terrible sometimes too. Yeah. I like like, but I like something like farm. It's weird because a lot of times I'm not doing it in that way. Like I've been doing a little bit of farmer's carry. but I'm literally like, so I'm walking 20, 40, 60, 80 feet maybe at a time.

I'm like, is an 80 foot walk how much cardio is that? I mean, sure, it's a little bit of cardio. Yeah, it can definitely get your heart rate up, but it's like getting it up for very short bursts. Right. But that's just one version of a weighted carry,

like we said. Right, right. And if you're doing, if you do intervals, you know, if you do an e-mom sandbag carry for 10, you know, 10 carries, you're going to be freaking dead. Yeah. You know, so yeah, I think it's good. What did you say in A?

I think it's an A. Yeah, it's at least a B. Yeah, I'd say it's an A or a B. I think A's appropriate, though, for it. Okay. That's good with me. Okay. I just got to find the right picture here of a guy with the sandbag.

Should I be typing like 500 pounds sandbag? carry for the sake of the thumbnail. Okay, here's a guy with this. To really represent it. Okay. A tier sand, sand bag. Is it a, does it matter if it's pea gravel or sand?

Well, yes, it does matter, actually. That's been covered very in depth. And it's the reason it's a sandbag and not a pea gravel bag. So is that our list? I think that's the list. there's anything we miss. You know, we had mentioned we took off CrossFit and High Rocks.

It's too broad. Rucking is kind of just a middle ground between hiking and weighted carries. So we left that off. Is there any other cardio? I mean, there's like a thousand variations of cardio, but I feel like we kind of hit the main points here. I can't believe it.

We did it again. Oh, okay. Well, let's look at the list, though. So. Okay. So F tier, Jacob's lateral, elliptical,

battle ropes. I think we're okay with those, right? Yeah, pretty good with that. Okay. C tier, we have jogging,

treadmills, swimming, a ski erg and kettlebells. I think those are all pretty decent about that. Yeah, those are all pretty good too. B tier,

we have a fan bike, hiking, rower, and sleds. I think those are good. Yeah, I think it's probably good because I actually

when I think about all those, I'm like, are they better than that? But I'm like, what it really makes me wonder, because I think in certain scenarios each one, I'm like, oh, it's better than that. But other reasons, I'm like, well, yeah, but it has us drawbacks. Because all of those can be really good, but they all just have their

drawbacks too. Right. And none of those are, see, none of those are that fun outside of hiking, but hiking is the least accessible out of all of them. So that knocks it. But like, fan bike and rower and sloth. Like, they're not like, oh, that's so fun. I can't wait to go do that. Right. Right. but then A tier walking, jump rope, jump rope, sports, peloton, and weighted carries.

Those are all A tier. I think that list is correct too. That's pretty good. And S, man, I got to say, I was not thinking through this, Liz. I was not expecting the stair mill to be S tier with biking. I think that's the perfect S tier. Stairmill and biking. We nailed it.

But that's, we've reasoned that into position. and it obviously belongs in. Stairmill is an S, Jacob's ladder is an F. They seem so similar, yet one is the best on the list and one is the worst. That's the thing.

It's like, it's riding a very fine line and you get that formula wrong just a little bit, but man, can you tumble on the standings? To the worst from the best. It's like,

don't mess this up. No, you had it, but then you also wanted me to put my hands on the machine. We'll make these stairs require my hands. The second you made me lean over with my hands,

this became the worst thing on the list. Okay, I just got to know, what does that thing actually cost new? Because we keep talking about it here. We might not want to know. Well, the iron company.com has one for sale for $6,000. Crimony. At that point, I don't know why everyone doesn't have two of them.

Sheesh. Sheesh. Jacobs Ladder. Oh, there's more extreme versions for, oh, there's a home version for 5300. And there's an extreme or there's an X ladder climbing version for 7,000. So, yeah. The perfect list. And people thought it wouldn't exist.

That's the thing. You know, when we make these lists, they're so good. We can't just be doing this every week for people. We got a space about. So, you're ready? in the YouTube comment section of this episode, drop a comment and how do they comment appropriately on the, if they have it. You can say, in my incorrect opinion.

Yes. And then every comment, if you have something to critique, you say in my incorrect opinion, then you can say whatever you want. And then at the end say, but whatever, I don't know anything. Just to really diffuse the situation. That's the only way your critique is. fair and will go without being deleted. In my incorrect opinion, battle ropes are a clear S tier, but whatever, I don't know anything.

Yeah. In my incorrect opinion, stepmills are stupid, but whatever, I don't know anything anyways. That's how you would do it. Yep. In my incorrect opinion, you guys really rode the line on hiking and rowing. Fan bikes and rowing and sled. Yes. So that is your, that is how the.

that is how those comments need to come from you or else we will be deleting them. Yeah. But no one will say that because it's the perfect list. It is the, I didn't know we can do another perfect list, but we did again. How many tier lists have we done before? This is probably four or five, probably, right? Yeah. Some of the best tier lists.

I'm seeing one, two, three, four, five, six. Six already. Like counting this one or? Yeah, we did. Okay. Gym music. Oh, yeah. We did protein foods.

We did gym apparel, barbells, strongman events, and now cardio. You think this is our best list ever? This might be our best work yet. I don't know. I really like the gym apparel tier list. The music one was funny because we didn't really know what we were doing. We kind of stumbled into that one. And the criteria was so all over the board.

So are we doing albums or songs? Even after it was done, we still didn't really know how we arrived at what we arrived at. Until it was time to title it and we're like, you know what? It really is just mostly reviewing new metal that plays on Massanomics. Yes, yes. Maybe we'll have to revisit some version of that again someday. Yeah. All right.

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Yeah, we have a few things we could actually that we haven't talked about here yet, so we can save those for next week. Okay. So training update, maybe an Ohio Power Bar update, some other things here too. Yeah, should we save that stuff for next time then? Yeah, I think for next week's episode. We got to save something for episode nine of season, season two here.

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