Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 510: How To Deal With Lifting Burnout - Without Quitting!

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

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Episode 10 of season two. We did it. Double digits. You can get to episode 10, you're well on your way to doing at least 10 more. You know what the old statistics? They say 95% of podcasts never make it to season two, episode 10. Yep. After that, you're golden.

You can go forever. Yeah. Once it's all downhill, once you make it to episode 10, season two, a.k.a. episode 510, Massonomics podcast, lifting podcast, About Nothing recorded live from the corners of the Dakotas. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy.

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We got a lot of stuff here, Cubbin. One just serious goose topic, which we don't do too often, but every once in a while something comes up that we do go serious goose for a moment. A moment. I got to say rest in power to big Pa O'Dwyer, former guest of the Massonomics podcast. How long has it been since we, did we have Pa on in 2025 or was it 24? I think it was 2024. I don't think he's one of the five guests we had last year.

Yeah, one of someone we had tried to get on for a long time for the show because he kind of, his sense of humor and his, uh, just. I don't know, his aura in the strongman community was something we always knew would line up pretty well with Massonomics. And that episode with him was a blast. I think he had fun, we had fun. The clips you've, I forgot about a lot of, you do this so long, you just start to forget some things. And the clips you're posted where he goes, Tanner, is that a real name? That was very funny.

Well, I know, the way he said it, he was like, Tanner, what is that? Like, a name? Like Spanner, I think you said. I don't know what that is. So we had a lot of fun with Paa, and he passed away just this week. His funeral was just here recently, and I'm no doubt, you know, he was a top-level strongman competitor, but more so than that, his, you know, just- Personality.

His personality, and I don't know that he came across very many good people that didn't like him in the community, it sounds like. Yeah. So rest in power, big pot. This one, five tens for big paw. There we go. And that's what we had to, we had to clap back at them too. We were like, well, what kind of name is Pa? It was short for Patrick, isn't it?

Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. Definitely not an American thing. No, and then he didn't know what an Irish goodbye was. That's right. Yes. Wow. Yeah.

Wow, so many things. Yeah, go give that one a listen. if you ever get the chance, if you haven't yet, to give the Pa. Pa, Paul interview, it was a fun one. We'll miss Big Paw. Did we ever meet Pa in person anywhere? I don't think we did.

I don't think we ever did. The only time we talked to was on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a, let's transition from Serious Goose to, we don't, we won't go full, silly goose to serious goose. We'll do a transitional segment.

where I have a heavy thought segment. Okay. Okay. So this is a transitional segment to get us, you know, we'll ease us back to silly goose mode. Heavy thought segment. I was thinking about this in the gym. And I was, I'm curious what your answer and what other people's answer.

Some people have probably paid no thought to it and you don't even know what you would do, but you'll probably think about it the next time you're in this scenario. And I'm curious what people respond. My thinking is after a while something so simple, it's actually a little bit philosophical and less practical of what answer I think where you come to. So here's the scenario. I want to paint a picture. Yes.

Have my paint brush out. This would not, this scenario does not apply to you in your home gym if you're lifting in your rack in your home gym. This scenario applies more so to if you're in like Massonomics gym, a commercial gym, something like that. And you'll understand why it doesn't apply to you at home. if you're benching at massonomics gym use that as an example because a lot of people listening and understand what that's like you get your weights off the rack you know we have plate trees there that are kind of like centrally located about about the benches you get you get your plates

off of there you put them on the barbell you're lifting you're done uh it's time to put the plates back and say you're down to like your last set of plates that you're going to take off or what whatever pair of plates you're going to take off. You're stripping plates. Do you grab and unload the plate? It's actually easiest to visualize. I think you're down to your last set of plates. There's 135 on the bar and you're stripping it.

Okay. When you go to grab the last plate from each side and the plate tree is kind of on one side of the bench more than the other, which plate do you grab first? The plate that's farthest away from the plate tree or the plate that is closest to the plate tree. Yeah, I don't think at Massonomics gym,

I ever put any thought into it. I think I would just stripping plates and it's just however it went and... Right. Yeah. So it could change from time to time. In Massanomics, Jim, I would say it absolutely changed like every time.

Now, when you're saying this, I've unknowingly realized that I do it in a very consistent way in my home gym, but in Massanomics gym, I didn't have any strict ritual or pattern to how I did it. At a home gym in a rack, it doesn't matter because there is no weight horn that's farther away than the other. There is no closer weight horn or no farther weight horn because you're putting them onto your rack. Also squatting at Massonomics gym, my example doesn't matter either.

When you're putting, when the weights are loaded onto the rack on plate horns on the rack, that doesn't matter. You need to think about a place where. where you have to carry the plates to somewhere to put them away. Right, where one sleeve of the barbell is three feet from the, three feet from the plate tree and the other side of the barbell is 10 feet from the plate tree. Right, right. But you don't have a preference.

I did not. I can tell you. Maybe you do, though, and you don't know. Well, maybe, but I think what happened there was I kind of bounced around between two benches typically. And so just kind of going between the two, I just never really had any real consistent because I think at times, especially when you're benching and it doesn't matter as much how you strip them down. Like, you know, if you're doing working sets under 300, it's just like, ah, I can strip this whole side down or I might take a couple and maybe go to the other one or maybe I'm getting a 25 and a 35 with this one.

And since I'm over here, like, I don't think there's any consistency to how I did it then. Yeah. There's, I see several people that I have an answer to this and there's several people that have, I didn't know if people would say the same opposite or have no opinion. but Big Colton, Dinkleberg, and Big Austin all said the same thing. I'm going farthest away first. And Big John, Jonathan said it too, farthest away first.

Because I'm like, that's how I do almost anything. When I have a plate of food that has vegetables, meat, and a carbohydrate on it, I'm always going to eat the vegetables first. I usually do that too. Yeah, I just knock out those smaller ones before we get to the good stuff. Yeah, like that's what I,

And that's my philosophy on the plate rewracking that I'm going to get that farthest one first. Then all I have left is this nice little close one to finish it off with. Be like, ah, that's it. It's this close one. I don't have to get that far one next. Okay, in the gym, though, in Massanomics, it only applies to benching because deadlifting. It's kind of the same thing because you have the... Yeah.

It really only applies to benching there. Yeah. Some places deadlifting, it would apply to probably. Yes, a lot of places it does actually. But because our purpose, our... plates that you deadlift with are off of the rack again still off of the power rack. Yeah, I can say I don't have a, I did not have a method. Next time you're in that scenario, you think about it and see what it is you did.

Sound off in the YouTube comments. What do you do? Have you ever considered it? Will you consider it next time even if you don't want to? Gonna mix things up a little bit next time? Yeah. Spice things up. Or would you ever grab one, grab like the farthest one, then grab the other one before, you know, like try to take them both at the same time, one in each hand? It's difficult to on rack to pull the second plate off the bar with one hand.

It's really tricky. Yeah, that's the hard part, yeah. I wouldn't recommend that method. You're strong enough to do it, I guess. Go for it. Right. Speaking of the gym, can you describe what's the scenario with the toilet there these days? Oh, great.

A little gym update. I would love to do a rant about all the shit people are doing wrong at the gym. Where do I start on the shit that people are doing that's pissing me off? Number one is the toilet. So in 2025, we went through three toilet handles. And to finish the, I think this finished in 2025, two broken toilet seats. And we've talked about this on the show multiple times. We've never in our personal lives ever broke a toilet.

Yes. And toilet handle broken three times. Toilet seat now broken twice. This time completely sheared off. Toilet seat separated from the... Ryan had the Instagram story of like new bathroom PR, but the thing just gone from it. And I've intentionally chosen not to fix this one yet because...

I want the message to be sent that like someone there broke it. And I'm like, yep, because of you now, we all have no toilet seat. Everyone has to suffer. I'm actually thinking about just taking the toilet seat away. Well, and then if you want to crap. You could just leave it like, you know,

like the kids. It's kind of like one that you put it on when you're ready. And then it goes. That's what it is like right now. Yeah, that's probably fair. Like it's there. Yeah.

And sometimes they go in and it's not on. And sometimes they go in and it is on. I'm thinking about just removing it all together and being like, yep, that'll mean you could crap here, but you're going to really have to need to because there's not going to be a toilet seat. Little, you could say slightly.

unfair to the female members. Oh, that's true. They'll just have to plan accordingly. There's a hover method to master, I think. Yeah, that doesn't cause a mess or anything. Several people signing off all the same. B-Y-O-T-S, bring your own toilet seat to the gym. So the problem is, is you have a sign that says your mom doesn't work here, clean up after

your mess. You need a sign that says your dad doesn't work here. Don't break things. don't break the fucking toilet. There's no one to fix it. Yeah. I'd like to think there's some possibility that it was somehow an innocent way that the toilet seat got completely snapped off. But of all the times I've sat on a toilet seat in my life and to have not snapped one completely off, I have to assume whatever was going on was.

For it to go completely off is the thing that's just. Yeah. It's like it's similar to. to, you know, 90s, TV shows, movies, sitcoms, office space. There's all these things about just the printer is the bane of people's existence in an office. You know, McDonald's, the ice cream machines are always down. Mesonomics, the toilet's always broken.

Yes. Yeah, and nobody mentioned to me that they were the one that broke it, of course, as one wouldn't. Yeah. And someone even today said, oh, I've got an extra seat that would fit that. Do you want me to bring it? And I'm like, oh, you can bring it. Don't put it on, though.

I'm leaving this broken for a while because I teach everyone a lesson here. Yes. Yes. So that's the toilet update. The other thing that's been really annoying me is here's two things. We have some tripods in the gym and they're telescoping leg tripads, three-legged tripods. Like pretty much how every tributts. Every tripod has been traditionally.

You extend the legs out when you need them longer. When you need them longer. Not by default. Because when by default, it's six feet tall and its base is five feet wide. Yeah, the wingspan. And the smallest legs of that telescoping are then about the diameter of a pencil, if you're lucky. Very susceptible to breaking those tiniest extended telescoping legs on a moderately in expensive tripod.

The number of times I come in there and that thing is as tall as me. What angle are people recording from? A top down angle? I guess so. And which if you want to do that, that's okay. Put it, compress it when you're done. Do not leave it like that. Do not leave it like that.

Okay. So that's the one thing. The other thing, you know how all of the York mealed plates are. are on the back side of the gym. They're with the benches like we're talking about. The bench area and the Smith machine is where all the milled york plates are. It's very obvious if you come into the gym where the strength co plates are, where the york plates are,

and then the front half of the gym where kind of there's just some mismatch. I would actually just say to me, and I know you're going to explain this more, but it's just dummy proof in the way that wherever you need the weights, there's a weight tree just a foot or two away from you. with all the same style weights on them. Yes, and I'm assuming what you're going to say is those weights are getting spread out across the room, which doesn't make any sense because you just put them back where you got them,

which is the closest spot. Not only that, it's not even that. They're literally taking them from the back half of the gym, bringing them to the front half of the gym where the dumbbell area is, and using them like on the belt, like the hip sled, the leg press. But the thing is, there's already weights over there, though. There's an excessive amount of weights over there. Almost pieces of machinery already.

Yes. Yes. And then there again, it's similar to the tripod. There is no good reason to do that. But if you insisted on doing that, which I wouldn't be all that upset if you really want to do it. You want to do a video where your leg pressing all all the works. That's fine. Yeah.

That's cool. Yes. But then they don't put them back on the other side. I walked in today. There's normally seven York milled plates on each side of the Smith machine. There was one on each side. And I was like, where in the hell are all the plates? And I'm like, oh, damn it, I know where they're at.

And I walked over to the other side. There was 10 York plates on the plate tree by the leg press. It's so weird. And I'm like, you would have to get those walk all the way past so many weights. Through a little doorway. Yes, through a doorway to put them there while ignoring all the plates right in front of you. Yes. But, and Jake said a 1,000 pound.

leg press, you could even still do that without bringing those over there. There's two sets of hundreds. There's three or four pairs of 55 pound plates. There's five pairs of 45s over there. Like there's so many weights over there by default, even if you wanted to do the 1,000 pound leg press. Okay, what if you're doing a 1,000 pound leg press and someone else is doing a 700 pound hack squat?

Right, right. And a 700 pound rhino squat. then all at the same time. Yeah. So that's what's currently grinding my gear. So there is new signs added. New signs added. There's one now above the plate tree in the front half that says,

you know, if you insist on bringing the York milled plates over here, put them back to the other side when you get done with them. That'll be obvious. Didn't talk about it in the podcast. Someone put, someone put baby powder in the chalk bowl. You did put that. Someone pissed in the punch bowl. I didn't know if that was serious.

Someone took a shit in the punch bowl. They dumped baby powder in our, you know, our big giant chalk bowl. Yeah. And I know that was because I went and grabbed some, you know, the free powder in there to chalk up. And I'm like, that is really smooth, like, slippery.

Yeah. And then I looked like the baby powder bottle was in the chalk bowl, which like I guarantee I know someone went like this with the baby powder above the chalk bowl and went like this. Does the gym even have baby powder in it or did someone bring it? Yeah, there's, no, there's two. I don't even know where they came from over the years. But like, so I, that chalk bowl, I probably could have used a refresh anyway.

So I can, you know, completely empty the whole thing and dumped everything out and started fresh. So there's a new sign on the chalk bowl that says, that one even says dip shits, I think. It says, hey, dipshits. Because I'm like, oh, God. You can figure out how the chalk part works. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Do you think it's, I mean, do you think it's a chance that it's just people that are too young and dumb to understand how this works? I think it very well could all be one person. Yeah. Yeah. And it is a young person that doesn't understand. The baby powder, I believe they straight up didn't understand what, you know, know the difference. I still remember the first power lift you meet. I actually know the second power lift to meet we ever did.

So I was a veteran at this point. I remember putting chalk on, a little chalk on my hands. And I looked over and I saw a kid. He had a chalk block and he was rubbing it up and down his legs. It's like, you don't get how this works, man. Yeah. The baby powder in the chalk bowl, however it be idiotic, I do chalk up, chalk up to just not knowing.

So I can't really get, you know, someone just has to be told. Yeah, I mean, I can understand how you're just like, oh, yeah, there's white powders and you use them. and I don't really know the difference. The bringing all the plates to the other side of the gym and not putting them back. That takes a lot of work and it's very obvious if you've been in the gym like a few times

that those plates go there because I always make sure they're all there. Yeah. So, you know, to not put them back is a really, you know, that is a real slap in the face to me where I'm like, no, I'm choosing. And there again, I don't think there's any thought into it whatsoever. No, I don't think so.

like it's just it's still like that is like a laziness that uh really annoys me in an commercial gym you wouldn't think twice no about it but do you think they understand that the toilet was broken they understand that's not how a toilet should work i'm not i'm not giving anyone any benefits of the doubt anymore yeah that's good that's good so those are all the latest things and i do i still think we have a 99 point something percent of membership that's very good and of no issues. I think there's actually by the numbers, maybe a one point something percent of the membership that is pissing me off right now. You know, it's pretty amazing you think about larger gyms have whole just swaths of people

that fit this category of. What they get by on though is none of them even give a shit. Like none of the people that work at those gyms even care. No. So like you can move all the plates to whatever. other side they're like oh whatever we don't give a shit you know oh it's broken i guess call a maintenance guy or something i'm not dealing with that oh jac s i did also purge ammonia bottles i think i when i clean the chalk bowl out i was down to five at the time and there was probably 20 in there so

i got rid of all of them that literally had no no anything to them whatsoever i actually cannot picture anyone voluntarily being like yeah i think this one's pretty empty we should throw it i don't think anyone feels comfortable making that call. This is collect forever. And I did open a new horse stall, Matt, one of the, one of the trial ones, because we had a couple different trial ones. People are going to be loving that. Oh, my God.

I actually wrote it, because it doesn't have anything on the bottle. I wrote in big red sharpie letters. I was like, this is new as of 1-626. Be careful. You know, people are taking that as a challenge now when they see that. Because if you go into that not, like, if you go into that, uh, Big J was there who's a bit of an ammonia connoisseur. And I was like, give this a try.

And he was even like, that is intense. Ammonia kind of sewer. Like, I just know. You're right. We've got a few ammonia connoisseurs around the gym that like, hmm. A fine. The funny part is, there's guys that just kind of always,

even during like warmups are kind of always wanting a little ammonia. There is. He's one of them. He lives by the ammonia bowl. Yeah Jake said I once saw Big J sniff and ammonia To put his shoes on But yeah that

That ammonia bottle was intense I was like afraid to even But I'm like well These five that I kept are all kind of iffy We need like something potent again Like you always got to have one that Really knock your sock off kind of one Yep it's good

Good to have that So that is the Massanomics Gym update Besides that as long as we're on the subject, I did get, you know, all the York plates are on the side of the gym with the benches and the Smith machine.

And over the years, I've got tons of 40, like I really don't have another use for like another pair of 45s. It's kind of like full. Yeah, I mean, there's hardly even room for it. It's not. Right.

Right. The 25s are a good number. The fives, because I came across a ton of York fives locally, one time and I bought them also. There's a ton of fives. The one thing that's always been a little low as far as the York milled plates

is the tens. Oh. Especially since we got the Smith machine because now there's two weight racks plus the Smith machine. So there's, you know, four spots for tens to go. Yeah, and they can all need four potentially. Right.

And now they do all have like four. I bought like eight more York 10. Oh, you did? Yeah, supporting. Actually, I put out a, I have to look to see who it was. I put out a post in one of the vintage groups. I'm like, I really need just several York tens of milled, you know, nothing fancy, just the regular York tens from milled York set.

I need mini up like five pairs or six pairs or eight pairs, whatever you got. And someone reached out and said, yep, I've got some. Here's the price. It was a good deal. It was a fair deal. Like, yep, let's do it. Sent me a picture. I was like, yep, looks perfect.

All this. Got them. Said, yep, got them. Awesome. Thanks. And he goes, oh, yeah, also I'm a supporting member. And I was like, oh, I do, I thought I recognized your name. Now I know why.

Wow. So that was cool. Always a supporting member with the hookup. Always a supporting member in the wings. So I got the tens. But what did you get in your gym that we never talked about? Well, we got a little. We talked about it.

I got an Ohio power bar. Didn't we talk about it? Maybe we did. I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast. I thought we did. I thought we said. Any live listeners, do we know if we talked about the Ohio power bar? Yeah, we did.

I'm pretty sure. Okay. I mentioned that I picked it up, but I had like just got it that day. So I hadn't really used it yet, I think, or maybe I'd use it once. What's the follow up? Have you used the Ohio Power Bar Bar Bar. Yeah, so I've actually just. Is it bare steel or is it?

It is bare steel. And so a couple things. Is it 45 pound or 20 kilogram? Narrow collars or no. It's the 45 pound one. Yeah. Okay. The really narrow collars, I'm not sure I would have even got it because it's just too

much of a pain. Yeah. But I wanted to, because I've exclusively used a Texas Power Bar. since I've gotten one, which has been close to two years, I think, since I've had that one year and a half. And, or when I'm not using a Texas power bar, I'm using a Texas deadlift bar, which is even more aggressive. And so getting the Ohio power bar, two things, one, just to try out a different bar, and then also to see what a bare steel bar is like long term in my garage where wild temperature changes in there and humidity changes. and now after using it exclusively, I've actually used it for deadlifts too now for the past three weeks, I think. Okay, I got it for $100.

At $100, it is a great buy at $100. Like, I mean, you can't beat it. I threw a bunch of three. Can't afford not to. No, you really can't. It has to be said. You can't afford not to. I threw a bunch of three and one oil on it, used my barbell rescue brush and got that thing cleaned up.

And all of all the signs of rust are gone. There's just a little bit of a patina, you know, where your hands go around the ring. just some dark, no rust color. The bar ages with the lifter. It does. And it's for $100 all day, it's a great bar. Actually, if I get, like, I still do think if you're going to get a bar, like a Texas Power Bar or a Rogue or How Power Bar, like, you can't go wrong with either one.

They're both really good bars. What's weird to me about it, though, is it feels so passive after using a Texas Power Bar. And there's people, like, read on the Facebook group that talk about like, oh, yeah, the Hall Power Bar is good and aggressive. I'm like this is not an aggressive. But it is for sure a Ohio power bar. Yes. Yes.

It's an Ohio power bar. It's not like it's the. No, no, it's Ohio Power Bar. It's just, it's not an, and it's not,

this bar is not worn down. It's basically like brand new. Like I don't know the people that had it really used it. And it's bare steel. And it's bare steel. But just compared to the 29mmmm Texas Power Bar, like that bar has sharp bite to it. And the Ohio Power Bar doesn't have that.

Now, I don't think the Ohio Power Bar is harder to hold on to. any means. Like the way they do their nerling, it is very, very grippy, but it's not that sharp, sharp feeling that the Texas bars have. And it's just been weird adjusting my brain to that where, you know, if you have a t-shirt on, the 29mm bar, you feel that through your t-shirt. You know, like, you get done. If I, you know, I get done, I go take a shower. Like, you have a very distinct line where that bar was pushing into you. And I don't, maybe you have that on the Ohio one, too. but you don't feel the nerling on your back on the Ohio bar.

And same thing like bench. Like when I lift that off, it just feels like the Texas bar just set. It's like spike setting in. Like we're locked in. And I don't get that. It's just weird. Not having that feeling deadlifting or doing any of the lifts

and not having that just like spike feedback that you get from the Texas bars. So that's been a little bit of an adjustment. But it is a very, very nice bar. And yeah, I mean, I get why people go. to that one. But it's got to be, you know, we tried the, the rogue Agro 2x. You know, we've seen that one before. I really think that at least the newer Texas bars to me are pretty comparable to that Agro 2x. They're sharp. Yeah. So have you been using it regularly or are you switching

back in four? No, I just, I just kind of like, wanted to just using. I wanted to be kind of a long term. I'm only using it. So I've, I've only, it's the only bar I've used for three weeks now. Yeah. And I still, I'll probably, for the most part, just stick with it all winter here and just see, you know, after a couple months of winter wear, like, what does this bare steel bar look like in my garage? I'm just curious how that holds up. The Texas is really going to feel sharp when you go back to. It's actually going to, yes. It's going to be like, oh, shit. Especially the day I decided to go back to a deadlift bar. It's going to be like, yikes. This is a man's bar right here. My hands almost can't get used to the tech, the deadlift bar. Like every time I do it, they're just, it's damn near ripping them. It's so sharp. at $100, I actually think maybe you couldn't afford not to get it if it's local to you. And if it's at $100 you have to buy it. Yeah.

And if it's not a beat up bar too. Right. There's no doubt a lot of Ohio power bars out there. Same thing with Texas power bars. And my default thought would be if someone has one for $100, I'd be like, yeah, okay. What has happened to this bar over the years? But the photos.

Is this like a massonomics gym, 10 year old? Yeah. Yeah. There's a big difference there. But yeah, the photos they posted were pretty clean. And when I asked them about it, I kind of got the impression. They were literally not using it. And I think I'd mentioned the first time we talked about this is the fact that where the bar,

where the bar touches the J-Cups, that that NERLing was as sharp as the other NERL. It's like, yeah, this thing hasn't even been moved around in J-Cups at all. So like when I, like when now already, just from me using it a few weeks, there's all of that UHMW plastic in the neural on the outside edges. that did not exist before. So that really makes me think like this bar was just not, not really used at all. Yeah.

Okay. So yeah, definitely a sweet pickup. No regrets on your first pickups of, 2026. Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that one. All right. I think we should do supporting our supporting members probably.

Actually, before we get on to that, I do just want to mention the Massonomics, 2026, Lift Hard, Live Easy, Classic, part four, powerlifting registration. By the time this goes live, has opened up to supporting members exclusively in Massanomics gym members. They have gotten their first crack at getting signed up and filling up all those spots. So about, so that's going live on January 8th, about a week or so, depending on how things go. If there's still spots left, that'll open to the general public.

So if you're listening to this and you're not a supporting member, A, become a supporting member, B, you could possibly have a shot of still registering for the powerlifting meet. That's going to be July 18th in western northeast South Dakota. It's the event of the summer. The most fun powerlifting meet that you've ever been to, if you've ever been to it. Our dreams are made. Yeah, that's right. PR's come to thrive and something else.

I haven't thought, flush that out yet. We'll work on that one. I need chat GPT. Quick. Instant chat GPT. Come up with a stupid tagline that sucks. Where the chalk flows like, where the Coke zeros are popping

and the chalk flows like baby powder. M dash. You know, I was actually thinking about this. I've been reading a lot more lately, you know, as evident by the sports and books section we've been doing on the podcast. sports and books segment too. You know, I got to say, after you get, like, start reading books again, you realize how much the M-Dash execute used in actual, in literature?

Actual novels. Yeah. I would say in communications through emails, never, never. In actual literature, it's used a lot. So now I can see why ChatGBT, VT thinks it needs to use it when you consider it. Because it's referencing it's ingested every book ever written. It's, there's a lot of M-Dash is written in actual books. not so much in

daily communication. Yeah, right. Well, actually, as used quite frequently in business communications now because everyone's using chat GPD and write everything for them. Yes.

So it's kind of a self-fulfilling M-Dash at this point. It is. Soon it'll be not when you type into chat GPT, it'll be like it'll be an evolution of more and more m-dashes until all it kicks out is just just lines. It's just going to be Morris code of M-dashes. Dash-dash.

Beb-b-b. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Okay. Supporting our supporting members. First thing, I would say we have something big in the world. Oh, what are you drinking? My mouth was so dry over here. What's that?

Pavlov's dog. I was sure you would hear that sound. I'm like, oh my God, I'm thirsty. You perked right up there. I didn't want to interrupt your segment. I'm like, I just got to do this. When I hear that sound, I'm so thirsty. Why do I have this intense thirst all of a sudden?

Yeah, Tanner's just like sitting there with his mouth open looking around. What do you got over there in the can? What's in the can? Got a Waterloo lemon lime. LaCroix Lame. La Cray, Lamone. Mm. God damn, that's good.

Limon, no, no, no, not Limon. You got me tricked for a minute there. It should be lemon. Yeah. Yeah, she's her classic lemon. Okay. you know what i just thought of this you know we joke that it's spicy water it is hilarious that without any influence from me my kids have started to think that anything carbonated is spicy

because you know like we'll drink these and they'll be like what is that like you won't like it and then i want to try it it's like my boy takes a drink he's like oh it's spicy because it's you know the carbonation that's that sensation they don't know what to say i do think spicy is a very common because basically anything my kids don't like because it's so different thing it's spicy yeah you know it's spicy or you're like you don't want them to have something like you wouldn't like it it's spicy yeah spicy and sour are the two things you can say but sour is like oh well that's kind of what candy is so yeah is it sour like candy uh we've got some we have the biggest thing we've ever had in the works we're really not

going to talk about it at all here that's not the purpose of even bringing it up um what's the purpose of bringing it up. To let people know that if you're a podcast, if you're a supporting member, you will have first access to this. And correct. This is a game changer. This has been many, many,

many, many months in the making. Many hours of organic, actually. Like we might say the word countless hours, but this is the first thing that actually is countless hours. Yeah. An enormous financial investment. It's countless, literal countless hours. Yeah, we've been working on this a long time,

and we're getting close. We're getting there. We are getting close. Supporting members are going to be the first ones to let the genie out of the bottle here. So if you want in on this first, which you absolutely should, you have to be a supporting member. So if you're a listener, please sign up. Timeline, we don't know for sure yet when all the supporting members will get at.

We can say you are going to get in at first. It is going to be 2026. It's probably going to be the first Q1 to use stupid terms. I hope so. It's probably going to be Q1, isn't it? I mean, in the perfect world, it's supporting members. Several weeks away in the perfect world,

but you never know how this goes. Maybe we get some hurdles and it becomes a few months away. Probably at the worst, though, I think. I think so. Yeah, I mean, we're pushing hard to keep this meeting. Yeah. So please become a supporting member. if you would be interested in getting on in this very cryptic thing that we're still not giving any.

And we have to play this one extremely close. So I don't really know that there'll be much of anything leaked on it hardly until it is out there. Yeah. I mean, and you're going to say, you can say there will be a little bit of point of pride in saying that you were there first. A little bit. Yeah. So, yeah. I think so.

There will be. There definitely will be. So please become a supportive member. And for all of you that are already supporting members, just stay tuned. You'll be excited, I think. Which leads me into our supporting, our supporting members segment. This is a relatively new segment to the podcast.

It's now just the 10th time we've done this here in season two of the podcast. It's where we give back to those that support us. You get a number of things if you become a supporting member. One of them is you get in on this really, really big thing that we have coming. You get first in on that. otherwise you also get early access to our normal drops. Like we'll have one later in January, you get early access to that. There's a discount code for supporting members.

It's the only way you get in our Discord. It's the only way you listen to the pre-show. The pre-show is the most uncut, the most unfiltered, the most unrecorded pre-show in all of podcasting. It's the show before our show. And you only get to listen to it if you are a supporting member. And it's a lot of fun usually. I think it's, it's kind of like this, only it's slightly different.

Does that make sense to you? Does that make sense to me? Yeah, that's a good way, but it's a lot like the podcast. It's like the podcast, but more casual. Somehow, that seems true. In the pre-show, we are actually just talking to the people that are in the pre-show. I think kind of like, you know, there is a open dialogue. It's very conversational.

Yes, it's conversational in the pre-show. And usually we have secrets. stuff that we release only to the pre-show. Whatever happens in the pre-show stays in the pre-show. That's the most important part. Yeah. Finally, one of the things you get is you could get a shout out here, like these people this week.

Big Josh just got newly engaged. Just got engaged. Congrats on the impending funeral, Josh. There it is. The old ball and chain, am I right? Yep. It's all over from here. Yeah.

Alex is noticing your OG pillow. We've covered before, but that's not what we've been working on for the last several months. A line of pillows. Yeah. It's going to be purple pillows, only they're going to be Massonomics red. Big Cody set out on a challenge and completed it. he wanted to run a mile in less seconds than he could deadlift for a one-rip max on the same day. He achieved that by deadlifting 555 pounds and running a mile in seven minutes and 50 seconds,

which is 470 seconds. So he actually crushed it. Oh, he had poundage to spare there. Yeah, so everyone play along at home, do the math. You know, if you can deadlift 500 pounds, you'd have to run the mile in 500 seconds. which would be what, you know, a little over eight minutes. Yeah, something like that. Right.

Yeah. You did that live 600. You buy yourself an extra minute on the mile time. Big Waffle Iron was on the Voodoo Power podcast as a guest. Big Stephen Rose. Also had his gym tour come out this week, this past week. Jim tour is out as of the time this comes out. Did you get to watch the intro to it yet?

But only the intro, I forgot. I forgot. We talked about it today and I'm like, wait, that means I can watch the intro finally to that. And I thought it was funny. I thought it was very funny. It's one of the sillier intros we've ever done. Maybe it's because I'm there and it was an integral part of it, but I just, I had to show my whole family that one. I'm like, wait, I can, I forgot that means I can watch the intro. So I had to show everyone that. And even my kids got a laugh out of that.

My eight of my four-year-old was like, oh, I want to watch that. that again. And even then when it starts too, it's funny. Just, yeah, this is the whole, a little waffle irons gym. Yeah, it's great. So don't miss that gym tour. Last week that came out was Big Christmas, right? Was that last video that we had? Is that just last week already? I think so. You're friendly neighborhood. Yeah, I think you're right. That one feels like already it's been a couple weeks, but no, I think you're right. One of the craziest basement gym two. tours. You know, it's like, even, even Mount Rossmore the other day, sending me snaps. He's like, I just can't stop watching these gym tours. Did he actually? Yeah, he's like, he sends me a snap

about one every other day. You know, he's watching Ephron's other day. And he's like, this place is insane. And he's showed, he was watching Big Chris's and he was like, this basement is enormous. And it's just like the different things you see on these gym tours. It's just no two gym are quite the same yet that we've been to. It's a little slice of life. So Wafiron was on Voodoo Power podcast. He also, they have their own podcast. It's mostly crew wolf pack members.

It's the half-baked thoughts podcast. I know you can find it on Spotify. I don't think it's on Apple Podcasts. I know you can find it on Spotify, though. The Half-Baked Thoughts podcast with crew members including Eddie, Steve, Matt, Scants, Paul. I think it's a different group of them every time they record one. And it's mostly then just talking about training or whatever else is going on.

And I've been able to give it a listen now. So make sure to check out a podcast from supporting members. It is the Half Bake Thoughts podcast. You'll know it when you see it. It's got like a picture of a waffle iron and stuff on it. There was a Pacific Northwest crew meetup of Big Pablo and Big Matt. They got together. I got a shout out

Big Justin K, fresh supporting member, fresh certified training facility as of today. The now the closest certified training facility to Massanomics gym. Located in city limits

of western northeast South Dakota. I saw this one come in. Okay. Did you show me a picture of this gym before? Have I seen this or not? Yeah. Okay. He's got a vintage weight collection.

Yes. Yeah. This popped out out a Right under our noses. In, this is true, in Aberdeen, a basement gym, didn't know about until, like, within a month ago. And now he's a supporting member and certified training facility. You can find it there. I'll get some pictures from them up there, hopefully soon.

So you can, you can see what I'm talking about. We're going to have to do a gym tour. Oh, absolutely. It's just next time we're shooting in Aberdeen, it's like, we are going to do a gym tour there because there's lighting. There's vintage weights. There's, it's all there. Yeah. Craziest part. I was maybe like two days ago at work in the break room, I was warming up my lunch.

A bowl of hot tuna chili. Yeah, my own. It was my, it was tuna day at work. Everyone comes around when it's Tanner's tuna day at work. Eating up my tuna. I was like, no. He's going to kill the microwave. Yeah.

And, uh, Big Justin walks by. New supporting member, new certified training facility. And I never met him before. He's like, oh, how's it going? And we got to talk about vintage weights. It was one of the few times I've ever had a fun conversation at work in my life. So there it is people.

Never give up hope. Even when you're closing it on 40, there's still a chance you could have a fun conversation. You could have one fun conversation at work in 12 years. There was other people around that I work close to, and I we got to talking about vintage weights and I could only imagine after the fact that they're like what are they talking about and why is Tanner talking about it to somebody he just eats his tuna and stinks up the place and leaves what why is that guy why is that man

talking and why why is he all excited about something was it was is just it right you said Justin. Yeah. Is he familiar with Effron at all? Yes. We talked about it. Okay. I didn't know if you were blowing his mind even more.

No, I think he came to probably, you know, I think he watched that he actually mentioned he watched the video we were talking about. Okay. Collection a little bit even. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. And last but not least this week on supporting our supporting members, this week's guest on

unpaid and underrated. It is the braddy, very braddy, very little sister podcast. to the Massonomics podcast. That's unpaid and underrated. Big Ryan was this week's guest. I'm not quite done with that episode yet, but I'm close to done with it, learning about Big Ryan.

And I think we'll see him at home gym con this upcoming year in 2026 also, it sounds like. So Big Ryan, go give him a listen. If you become a supporting member, another perk is you got a, if you're involved in the community, you got a very good shot at being a guest on the unpaid and underrated podcast.

They interview a new, they interview a different, supporting member pretty much every single week. So you got like a 1 in 52 chance every year. That's not really how that works. But like you have a chance every year. Everyone's champing at the bit to get in there. Everyone's really champing.

You're champing down hard on that. Champing away. They're going through bits like crazy over there. Halfway champ through the damn thing. So that is this week's. supporting our supporting member. Please become one. It is the number one way that we keep our George Foreman Grills running.

More on that in our George Foreman Grill segment coming up later. Should we do a certified training facility of the week? Yeah, I think I got one here. That's kind of interesting. We're going to go all the way south of the border. It's kind of open for a boring one. Oh, well, then you're going to have to sit this one out. We're going to go south of the border

To our friends in Canada To a little place called Calgary And I don't think we've done this one before You can correct me if I'm wrong But I don't think we have I don't think so Let me look at And we are looking at the dog pound

Let's do the dog pound We're doing it Okay The dog pound in Calgary A B No one actually knows what they A.B stands for. It might just be A.B.

I think you just say the letters. Is A.B. Am I even saying something that's correct? I think that's all it is. Yeah. All right. Photo one. I believe this.

A. B.C.A. C.A. Canada abbreviation. Ah. See? Don't even know what that means. I send quite a few Canadian letters. Yeah. You would.

You would know that. Yep. All right. Photo one. I believe this is a garage from the garage door. Yeah, it is. There's a garage door opener. You can see in the corner.

There's a ladder hanging. But you got four photos here. It looks like that we're working through. Four photos. Okay, a couple things of note here. First, right away. There is, it's not just a clever name with the dog pound. They actually do have a dog bed laying in the foreground of this photo.

Oh. But in the rack, they got a, it looks like a rogue monster rack, very nice white rack back there in the corner. And then there's a concept to like the skierg pushed into the rack. I'm assuming they don't. permanently leave it in there. Now that's got the floor piece on it that you should be able to move that around. Yeah.

Yes. They have that. There's several benches here standing up. One on the right. One in the middle. There's a trap bar that has the gold sleeves. That might be like a fringe or maybe a bells of steel something. Being that it's Canada.

There's a dumbbell shelf. But I'm kind of curious that bench in the middle might be an Irwin bench. because if we go to photo two and take a look here. Oh, you think that standing up bench is an Irwin bench? I think it's, is that also a Canadian company? Yes, they are Canadian. Are they right up there somewhere?

No, they're just like, aren't they kind of by Winnipeg? They're close to us, right? Yeah, I think they're like in Winnipeg somewhere, like in that area, I believe. Because if you go to Photo 2, there's another rack here, which is an Irwin Fitness rack. You can see the logo on there. And I don't think we've,

I don't think we've had one of these yet. Where is this in relation to? to the first rack. I can't quite tell. To the right of it, I believe. I think in that first photo, it's kind of behind you now? Okay.

Oh, like this is the opposite, like they're facing each other. I think so, yeah. There's another dog bed in this one. Yeah, there is.

So anyways, photo two, it's an Irwin rack. It's very nice. It's kind of like a, it's like a gray with gold accent. It kind of runs you of Ephrains color way on his,

on his rack, you know? Yeah. And, oh, Vulcan plates. There's a mix of Vulcan and Rogue bumper plates on there. There's some mono arms on here. I don't know if those are Irwin mono arms. I've not familiar with what style those are. I haven't seen those before,

which makes you think they are some Irwin version. And then there's another. You said there's Vulcan. Is Volcan the company that I'm thinking of? Yeah. Okay. That came under fire recently. Yeah.

Yeah. So there's that second rack. you can actually see a dog in the second photo two. It's a, or two dogs, two big dogs on that bed together in photo two. That's why they call it the dog pound. Yes. When we go to photo three, it's just another angle, but there's some cardio machine. It looks like an echo bike and then some other type of stationary bike is sitting there.

There's a whiteboard. So that's good. You can write your stuff out. Two-sided flippy, flippy doo-dow whiteboard. Yeah. But photo four is what's really interesting here. This is the Irwin Fitness Lapt pull down tower.

Signal stack. Yeah, I don't know what they actually call this thing. I've just seen it on their Instagram before, but this is a really cool piece. And I actually didn't even know if it was commercially available. I didn't even know if you could buy it yet, but apparently you can because this guy's got it. And it's a sweet-looking unit there.

This guy has some sweet Irwin equipment, doesn't he? Yeah. And then behind it also, I mean, there's some shelves with some kettlebells. There's some rogue bumpers mounted on the wall. It looks like we had even a little wood shop station in the back corner there. But look at the mitre saw on this guy. Got an air compressor. DeWalt.

Big DeWalt guy. Black and yellow, black and yellow. Yes. It's a pretty cool gym, though. And like this is, I think it's a two, yeah, it's a two-stall garage. But pretty much the whole thing is a gym. Did you see on the TV there's a football game? Yeah, that's a Canadian football game.

No, it's Chargers. and Texans playing. Okay. So you could really date that to whenever that one was, if you looked it up. That's, that is quite the gym. That's quite the setup and a lot of unique stuff in there.

Yeah. I mean, outside of the roller J. Cups, I don't, oh, I guess Brandon had an Irwin rack. But outside of the Irwin rack, Brandon had, and then Irwin Jacobs,

I don't think we've ever seen any Irwin pieces in a gym tour before, have we? I don't think so. Very little. I'd say. In our exposure to it, though, it all seems super premium. Right.

What I'm wondering, if you were, say you were there in, up in Alberta with Big Joel and the dog pound, do you think you could get strong there? Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, get hella strong in the dog pound. Who, who, who, who, who, who. Be letting the dogs out. Yeah.

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A little too long for my comfort if you ask me. Yep. Yep. They got to go. They don't got to go home, but they can't stay here any longer. They got to save something for listen to the show when it comes out. So we still get some downloads. That's right.

We can have those downloads disappear in. Chipmunks, download. Okay. We're just about ready for a title topic, aren't we? Yeah. Hit it. Oh. You know what that means.

It's title topic time. Yeah, what is the title topic this week? I hope it's a good one. I think the title topic, okay, we're still kind of working what the final thing I'll be, but lifting burnout, real or for losers? You are one pathetic loser. Yeah, see, this one's an interesting one for us because we wrote this down as a topic a long time ago.

And we both kind of laughed because we're like, well, burnout, we don't have that problem. That's easy to talk. There's not much to say. But then we realized, no, maybe there should be something to say. So we're just going to talk about our thoughts around lifting burnout. Do we ever get burnt out? Do we just love lifting so much that it's. the only thing we care about, you know, where do we fall in that spectrum? And if we do get burnt

out or feel like things are monotonous, what are things that we do to keep things spicy and interesting? Maybe my thought was at one point, I'm like, well, maybe we don't ever get burnt out from it because we have so many good techniques that we utilize to keep us remember having that. Oh, so it's like, you all haven't figured out these masterful techniques like we did? Right. Let us share. But I have seen that a lot. from people where it's like they come and they go and they're like yeah i just don't really like lifting as much anymore and to be completely honest it's never really been much of a problem for me i do i have had like the post competition lull where you're like oh that was it that was the highest

of highs i've been working so much towards that for so long now that's over and i'm like you can feel a little rudderless at times i felt that more in the past though before i had or not AI to keep me excited with like, ooh, now training gets to change though. And like I almost look forward like, like, yeah, I look forward to competing, but I also look forward to it being done and be like, all right, we're switching up the training style, like new and novel. Here we go. Well, that's already getting into some of our, you know, that's, that's getting into right

away. That's getting into lift what we, but so otherwise, though, generally speaking, the lifting burnout, what that feels like is you probably just don't want to do it anymore for whatever reason. Yeah. I'm just done. I've done with us. Yeah, and you hear people talk about, I mean, between going to the gym, just things people say.

I mean, you hear, it's just, oh, I just, it's boring or I've just been too busy lately or, oh, it's beating me up or it's just, it's too hard on me or I don't have time for it. I mean, just any number of excuses you do. And I'm not saying that, I mean, some of those are valid reasons. Right. But it's up to you to decide, like, is that a reason you're not going to come to the gym or are you going to find a way? to make it interesting again. And ultimately that's on you. So maybe we have some ways to reframe it

or some techniques to keep training interesting if you're a person that feels like you're getting burnt out or over your current status. Well, the first thing that I have on my list is what you already said. Most generally speaking, I would say just having a program. Because if you have no program

and you're, some people are pretty good. at doing it themselves and not even like programming themselves, just doing whatever the hell they want to. And I've seen people that have lifted for like 25 years doing that. But even to a certain extent, if you've been doing it that long, like you are self-programming a little bit.

Like it might not be an intelligent program, but you're not just like, all right, you know what, I've benched 250 every week for the last 10 years. I'm just going to start bench in 135 now. Like you don't do that, you know? So even there, yeah, you still do have somewhat of a, you're following whether you admit it or not. That's a good point.

Yeah. I mean, we've also, like there's the guy that's like, no, he just comes to the gym every week and he's going to throw three plates on. One week he might do two reps. The next week he might do six, but he's going to bench at least 315 every single week. And I mean, sometimes people have the same thing for squat and deadlift. Like they're just going to put a certain number of plates on and they'll manipulate the

volume a little bit, but that's their program. Yeah. But having a program, even if it's that, I mean, that wouldn't be the, the best example. The better example would be having a real program. I feel like it just gives you something. It all, it kind of removes like,

uh, it also removes like the decision. I, I think that's a huge part of it. Or whatever the, what am I going to do today? Cause when you do that, you start giving yourself an out on what that's going to be.

Like if it's like, I don't know, I was, I should probably do legs, but I'm kind of tired. I'm just going to do kind of a bro session. Like, yeah,

You don't have a program. So now you're just giving yourself excuses to get out of it. Whereas if you have a program, and I'm not saying it has to be a powerlifting program, but if you have an actual plan you're trying to follow, you don't want to skip days because it's going to throw off the next week and the next week. And it's going to, like, the whole thing doesn't work anymore. And that is the beauty of a program. It's like an accountability plan.

You know, it's the whole thing. If you don't have a map, you can go anywhere. And some people can do that. But the whole wandering thing for a lot of people doesn't really work. all who wander are not lost unless they're at the gym. Then they probably are wandering. Yeah. I really believe in having a program, you know,

that it just, there's so much value to that. And I do think there's a lot. And not to say you could never switch it, but I do think you need to have a program and actually stick with it for a decent amount of time. Yeah. And like, find the pro,

I mean, part of this goes back to figure out the type of, Okay. It's really going, taking several steps back here. The first thing is you have to figure out what style of training you actually like to do. And I think there's, I feel bad because there's a lot of people out there that I think have been lifting a long time and still actually haven't figured out a style of training that they like. Because, man, once you actually figure out a style of training that you like, it gets way more enjoyable to be doing it. You know, like there's a reason Tanner and I aren't like competitive rollerbladers. It's not the style of training we're in.

into power lifting. I would be really good at that if that's what I was into. He always talks about it. He just hasn't pursued it yet. But yeah, you got to find what you're into. And then once you figure out the style of training you're into, then you can pick a program. You know, if I just went and pick some random-ass program right now, yeah, I do the first step of having a program. But if it's something I'm not into, it's also not going to keep me in the gym just having that program either. So figure out what you're like and then get that program. And man, it just, it keeps you on track. I think so. The next thing I had written down, which this is very obvious when I would say,

well, how do you not, you know, what do you do to prevent stopping going for the gym? Because my thing is being consistent. But what I mean by that more specifically is when you're consistent at the gym, you know, when you start there again kind of stick to a program and you stay consistent and you go your three days a week, two days a week, four days a week, five days a week, whatever it is and it's just kind of like the thing you do. Well, what that actually leads to is progress. And when you make progress with whatever you're doing,

like you're seeing something and you're like, ah, yes, I'm coming back because something's working here, whether it's strength or aesthetically or cardiovascular, whatever it is, that progress from being consistent, I think almost always makes people happy. And they're like, yeah, I want more of that. Right. I mean, that's the ultimate reward with all this is,

if you're consistent and you stick to it and you're doing stuff, you should see some progress. Like it might be, it might be visual, you know, like you might be bigger or more cut or something like that. Or you might just be stronger. Like you might see progress in that you're putting more weight on the bar.

And that's exciting and addicting too to actually be moving numbers. Right. But that doesn't really happen very well. And if people aren't consistent. If you're like, yeah, I'm not going this week. And you do that about six times throughout the year.

All of a sudden it's like, well, you didn't lift for like over a, month of the year. You know, you know, like, it just like that doesn't, that's not how it works. Yeah. Or at least that's hard to even maintain when you're missing whole chunks of time like that. Right.

Contradictory, I would say there's some value in being a little bit flexible with that, depending on your life circumstances when necessary. But that's a balancing act that some people don't balance very well. Yeah. Like, I mean, yeah. I'll say that with a consistency. Like, I mean, there's. some people that their consistency is I lift Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, or whatever their

days are. And like me, my consistency is I do everything I can to lift three days a week. Some days, some weeks, that's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Some weeks, that's Wednesday, Friday. Some weeks, that's Monday, Friday. Like, it's just, I, in a perfect world, it's Monday, Wednesday, Friday. But just depending on life scenarios, you know, family things, work schedules. it's just you got to learn to roll with the punches. But really the only thing I care about at the end of the day is that I'm getting three days a weekend. And in a perfect world,

I would love to have four days and do it on the same four days every week, but that's just not what my life allows at this moment. And because of that, I do three and I make it happen. And every once in a while, I don't get that third day. And so I'm either making up for it. I either make my second day a little busier. And then the first day of the next week a little busier, or sometimes they just got to drop it out completely.

But I try to keep that to a minimum. And typically, yeah, I'm a three-day-a-week guy. And that's what my consistency looks like. Yeah. That's what the balancing act is, though, of like that. Obviously, my opinion doesn't strongly matter in that. But I'm like, to me, like, that is how you balance that. It's like when people take that too far and like it just starts to go farther and farther.

And then it is back to where like, yeah, I didn't lift this week. Yes, and that's what you have to be careful with. Yeah, everyone's got stuff going on. You know, that's, uh... And that's... It is tricky because if you are just starting out, you probably do just need to pick some days and stick to it. Like, it probably is more of the expert level of being like,

hey, three days, I'll make it happen whenever it happens. Um, because it is, you can give yourself a lot of outs along the way there. So yeah, if you're starting out, maybe pick your three days and stick to them or whatever, whatever you decide. Um, but just know that, like, you can be flexible with things if you have to be. know, and that might even be the time of day. Maybe one week you're lifting in the mornings, the next week you're lifting at nights. Maybe there's even a mix of it, but depending on your life situation.

But the main thing is that you're checking those boxes on getting the workout in. Yep. Another little hack I have that a lot of people listening will be very familiar with this. And I think it works. I hear it all the time about how this is valuable people is you don't have to do this, but it works awesome if you're into it, is competing. because when you have a goal out there of like a specific date when you're going to do a powerlifting competition, do a strong man competition, bodybuilding show, run a marathon, do a triathlon, whatever the hell it is, you just, it's just different. Training's different when you have that in your back pocket that you know that's what you're working towards.

I 100% agree. And until you've actually done it, you might just think we're kind of making stuff up here. but once you've been through it, once you've done it once, and it can just be the most run-of-the-mill, local meat, you know, your first thing ever, you're not proud of your total or anything, but just picking that date and prepping for it, you'll learn a level of dedication and consistency and intensity that you never thought you had because you're like, no, like I am testing myself,

I'm putting it out there on display. Like, I got to take this seriously. I, I 100% agree, like every year, these last few years, getting ready for the meat, you know, leading those last couple months up to it. I'm like, man, I am just dialed in. Like, I'm actually going to bed when I should be. Like, I'm really making sure that I'm eating the way I should be. I'm drinking water as much as I should be. Like, I'm thinking about recovery way more.

And just, it's hard to, it's hard to have that mentality year round. But as it gets closer, you're just dialing in more and more and more. And it is fun to challenge yourself once in a while. and it is super rewarding when you finish the whole thing up and be like, yes, I did actually do that. Yeah. Another one I wrote down is having delodes.

And that delode I think could like traditionally, when if you're a power lifter and you hear that, you're going to think like, oh, it's a week of training that's almost nothing or way easier. And thus, yes, that is what I would consider a general concept. It could mean a few different things to different people. Like some programming styles like almost.

almost have built-in delodes that they don't call them delodes. It's just like periods of training that are generally easier on your body or your joints. You're doing different things, different exercises, whatever it is to just not run down your body so much. Like having that, again, you have to have a program probably to be able to have a delode or anything that resembles that. But if you have a program, not going balls to the walls 52 weeks of the year, you know, I think is important. Yeah. And if you've ever taken this very seriously, you'll find out that, man, it's just really hard to squat heavy every single week. It just starts to crush you after a while.

Right. And, yeah, it's like having some D-loads built in where, yeah, you kind of get to just sort of take it easy for a week. Still training. Like, you don't got to be killing yourself. You're still in the gym lifting. But just giving your body a little break also can make you a little more excited to show up the next week when you're feeling a little fresher. Yeah. philosophically, I have a couple of other things.

I would say that to this, one of the funniest ones probably that I wrote down that this is actually really true for me, but this isn't what I would necessarily promote to everyone. But realistically, anytime you get new equipment, it does make training more exciting. You're like, I would, like, I don't want, I mean, I probably do do this. And I'm just like, yep, I'm bored. I want something new. I think every home gym owner does this. And I also think almost every gym goer does it. Like, ooh, new, shiny, different.

here we go. Like, that's, yeah, I think people want to downplay the, the factor that novelty can have it. I mean, there's a reason people jump programs, jump exercises like crazy is because novelty,

new, exciting, different, like, that is, that's hard to shy away from. Like, people like trying new things.

Actually, a lot of people don't like trying new things, but when it comes to the gym, people like doing different things. People like to get a new thing. A lot of people don't like doing the same thing over and over. And so, yeah,

having, whether you, you think of it as like a little carrot, you're dangling in front of, yourself to keep you going. I think in the home gym circle, a lot of people fall too far into this of their novelty or what keeps them coming back is just new equipment all the time. It's like, well, that's why I'm like careful to even say that one because I'm like,

well, some people, it's, I would tell them to stop doing that. Yes. Well, yeah, because you also got to look now, you really have to examine your motivations behind things. Is it just purely a shopping hobby at this point or is it right? An actual training hobby. But I'll be honest. When I got that Ohio Power Bar, I was really jacked.

That's a great example. It's a bar. It doesn't change anything fundamentally. It feels just minorly different in your hand. But it's kind of like, oh, I'm excited to really excited to go today to try that. I was so jacked for the first few workouts I did with it. It was like I was going to my gym for the first time. And now, I mean, I'm still excited to go use it.

But if that's the game you're playing, that novelty wears off pretty fast on all things. if you're just constantly chasing a new piece of equipment, you'll quickly feel that, find that that is not very rewarding and it does not lead to longevity. But you're just looking to spice things up once in a while. A new piece of equipment can get the job done. Unless you're like me and have a big gym

and you just, nope, I just get a new one every month. Well, that's a different. That's a whole different story, though. That's a whole different story. Keep stuffing this shit in here. Besides that, I was just, This is very cheesy, but just remembering training really is a marathon and not a sprint. Anything that happens in the short run is so meaningless, kind of.

So much. Like half of a, anything less than four months, you don't, changes don't even occur hardly. You know, it's like, when people are like, yeah, I've got to, I've got to get my beach body ready for eight weeks from now. And I'm like, yes, through diet and nutrition, you can lose weight, do it through, mostly through your diet. And losing weight's a little bit different thing. I think about things in more in terms of strength gains. And I'm like, strength gains take so long,

especially when you've been doing it for a while that you have to recognize. Assuming you've been to the gym before. Like it's, it just very quickly becomes a thing where it's not easy. Right. So like, it's a marathon, not a sprint is very true. when it comes to the lifting stuff. So remembering that.

And my biggest secret weapon, and I think that anyone that's done it for a really long time, would be the same way, is I just like lifting and I like going to the gym. Like, I actually like it. Like, rare, I'm almost, I mean, it's the cheating secret weapon because it's like, oh, you tell someone that's overweight,

why don't you not eat so much? Because, like, I don't eat so much, you know, it's easy for me. Why don't you do that? And it's just like, don't you just like it more? It doesn't make sense for anyone else. But that is like what keeps me from ever,

never not wanting to go is just that I just like it so much. I love being in the gym. It's always fun. Like I never, I never am like, oh, this sucks. Yeah.

And that's kind of like, we don't need, we don't get burnt out. And it's like, the main reason is because at the end of the day, we like lifting. We like training. We like going to the gym.

Like that's why this massidomics thing has been going on as long as it has. because at the end of the day, we like lifting. And, you know, if the podcast wasn't taking place, we'd still be lifting. And, you know, if Massinophics wasn't a thing, we'd still be lifting. Like, that is kind of the one constant, no matter what, still be doing it. Yeah.

Like, if there's no content to be made, if we've made every piece of content and there was nothing else left, still be going to the gym. If we had no new equipment to buy, we'd still be going to the gym. You know, all that stuff is helpful and it's little hacks and stuff. but I don't know, you got to kind of be able to find a way to find some enjoyment out of it. You know, it's not punishment.

It's fun. It's like it is, it's kind of a privilege to get to go and do it. And it's fun and it's cool. And, you know, it's exciting to make changes, I think. Yes. And I think, you know, you're saying here kind of thinking about things at a more philosophical level. And one thing that I've started to think about more recently as I've aged is like, why, am I doing this?

You know, it's, it's much more common once you start talking about being on the other side of 35 to just be like, yeah, no, this is just when my body starts to suck. It all goes downhill. I get overweight and I just throw in the towel. And that's every year my health gets a little worse until I'm just decrepit and I'm dead. I'm riding a scooter and I'm just dead. Like that's just kind of how it goes.

And for a lot of people, that is the approach they take. And now that, you know, getting, you know, I'm not in my 20s anymore. I'm still actually as far as things go. I'm still, I'm still young. Still feel great. But there is a point of like, oh, man, like, I really feel like I'm just sticking it to everyone else that's like, yeah, look, I'm not like you. I'm not a lameo that just like gave up on.

Yeah. And I'm, again, I'm not knocking anyone for their choices here. But it's just the thing you think in your head, you know, like I totally get that. I didn't take the easy path of just going home and just sitting on the couch and just eating junk food and doing nothing outside of what I'm told to do at work. I'm taking some initiative and doing the things the way I want to do it. And damn it, I'm in my 30s and I'm damn near as strong as I've ever been to. Like actually in some respects, I'm stronger than I've ever been. And like that's like as a point of pride, I feel pretty cool about that.

And then also, I mean, the bigger, when you're younger, you don't like the overall health factor. you don't really think about that at all. It's like, no, I want to be as strong as I can. Like, I'm bulletproof. Bulk 50 pounds. Let's do this. But now it's starting to be like, oh, and also like, I can be healthier than most people, you know, because I just go to the gym a few days a week and I just sort of pay attention

to what I eat. I can be leagues healthier than the average person. The most, yeah. If not just straight up healthy, you know, like if not just like, wow, yep, that's good. You're doing it. So, yeah, it's just that thing of, I don't know, bucking the trend of just being a lazy piece of crap. Yes, there's something to that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of mostly what I had on it. I think it's not, it's easier said than done. All of it's easier said than done. I totally recognize that, though. Yes, it is. because the thing, I would say the biggest hurdle as I've aged, as I've gotten older, is, at least in my experience, is that life only gets busier. Yes.

I remember thinking in my early 20s. I remember thinking in my early 20s that I was really busy and had a lot going on. I remember thinking that. And man, sometimes I look back, I'm like, oh, my idea of really busy was like, I had to stay at work just a little late. and then that messed up me getting to the gym on time. And then that messed up the three hours of free time I had after the gym that night. And that used to just piss me off. And I think like, man, just one of those nights a week would be crazy to have.

And you just start to, I don't know, it's something you know, Tanner, you've had kids in a job. You get like, life gets busier as it goes. And so what I'm trying to say is that's, actually been my biggest challenge to lifting is that I still get in I'm still excited for it but man some days there's a lot of crap there's a lot of competing it's like you've been through like 20 boxing matches and then they're like okay now go to the gym it's like I don't even know if I got anything left but you still figure out a way to do it and be excited and when you're on the other side of it you always feel great that's what I was going to say it's all that is like the busier things get

the more helpful the gym is almost, I think, where it's just like, oh, it gives you that reset. It's just that pressure release valve where, yes. You kind of, yeah, you do hit the reset button. You're like, okay, whew, all right, we're ready to go back out to the world again here.

Yes. Yeah, it's like if I do have to go any sort of overly longer period of time without the gym that I'm normally accustomed to, it can affect my mood, where that I'm like, I, you like a piece of, of shit. Yes.

I feel somehow scrawny and fat and wasted away and like every possible bad thing. Like it doesn't work that way. There's been no like body composition change, but I feel those things. Yeah. And then I could just be more irritable that I'm like, I am mad that I haven't gotten to get there. I'm not going to be happy until I can go to the gym. Like those are probably over exaggerations, but I feel a little bit of all those things.

I relate to that self-talk 100% or I just. just feel like I'm a pile of crap wasting away. And then because I'm thinking that, it's putting me in a bad mood. And then because of that, like, I'm in a bad mood now. And then I'm just mad. Like, it's just this vicious cycle. So to combat that, you just make sure you go to the gym a few days a week. And then everything stays right on track.

It really does. I can't imagine even doing this, listen to this would ever be able to suffer from feeling lifting burnout again. with these simple fixes. You know, there's one thing we didn't address here. And that's that thing of, you know, people really looking for motivation, motivation. Oh,

the N-word. You know, the talking, you know, the motivational speeches, the talking and all that. And in my experience, everyone needs a little motivation once in a while,

I suppose, but I remember, that's a short-term hack. It is. That is ultimately at the end of the, it's a short-term thing. Like, it's like taking a quick,

it's like taking a quick ammonia hit before a big lift. Like it's just a short term little thing. And I mean, if you're, could you imagine how many motivational things you've had to process if you needed a little motivational pickup, pick me up before every workout? Well, nothing works. There's diminishing returns on all those things that are motivated.

You know, after a while, like none of this motivates me because I've like gone to that well, 40,000 times in the last. So that's, I guess that's if you're looking for more external motivational factors. Like if you need to listen to some motivational speech just to get you into the gym, yeah, maybe you need that little reset once in a while.

But don't bank on that as being your long-term plan of like keeping you in the gym is firing up motivational videos. What is that old, the Mark Bell one? Is it a Mark? What is the title of that video? I don't, we got to find it. I fell with a thousand pounds on my back.

Yeah. It might be trying to help me up. I said, get the fuck away for me. I'm a man. I stand on my own two feet. Ryan used to listen, you know, play that. Your brother used to play that all the time too. I think it's super training motivation,

be original by Mark Bell. Or maybe it's who are you by Mark Bell. Or maybe it's powerlifting the mentality. That's it. I'm pretty sure that's it. It doesn't it have like one, is it KK or like some foreign guy in the video? video and stuff too.

Is this the right one where it has like the acoustic version of like one by Metallica playing? Yes, absolutely. It's that one. What's that one called? Yes. Yes. And it goes into like an orchestra of it playing. He's talking a lot.

What's the name of that video? It's powerlifting the mentality. It's six minutes and 21 seconds. And the video has 2.2 million views from 12 years ago. But it was uploaded by Samson's 78.58. At least this one is. Yeah. That's got that's not.

No, that's the one. Yeah, it's Brandon Lilly is walking out there. There is the second one, powerlifting, the mentality too. I'm sure I've seen that one many times also, but there's a third one. Oh, yeah. Who is this account? Huh? The Samson 7858.

He was crushing these. Yeah, he was. Yeah, if you have to listen to that every time before you go to the gym, you know, you're probably not going to the gym anymore. That powerlifting, the mentality video is only like three and a half minutes long. Well, this one is. is six minutes and 21 seconds. Oh, which one is that?

What's the thumbnail? The thumbnail on the one I have, it's like him putting wrist straps on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the one. Oh, I'm sorry,

I was already just halfway through it. Yeah, that's definitely the one. It's, well, it's clipped from the backyard meat of the century. A lot of that,

yeah, a good chunk of it is, yep. Yeah. Yeah, and it's, yeah, Metallica in the background the whole time. Who's the big bencher back,

you know, the, Spoto, Eric Spoto. Yeah, Eric Spoto's in there, just looking absolutely enormous. Yeah, and then the video just ends with a bunch of people hitting,

hitting comp lifts. Yeah. If that's the biggest takeaway, if you need a little motivation, go watch powerlifting the mentality. You know, there's some old Pete Rubish basement clips in there. And I'd say this is also like having to watch that, that's different than, because I used to always, before a big squat day, I'd be like, oh,

I'm going to just watch big squats before I go to the gym, because it wasn't because I need motivation. It's because I'd get really pumped. Like, oh, yeah, like all these guys just, if these guys can be smoking six, 700, 800 pounds squats, oh, I'm going to go hit 400 something for reps. Like, oh, that's, we got this on lock, maybe. And so I'd get so pumped up.

I haven't done that for years, but that used to be part of my routine. Get home from work. If it's a big day, watch some people hit some heavy lifts, then go to Massanomics and go lift really hard. Yes. I'm telling you,

this power lifting the mentality, if you want a little piece of life what it was like when we were all lifting together like back in the YNCA. Yeah, it was really even hardly a thing. That's like, no, this video was it. Yeah. I don't know if we've ever talked about this video on the podcast ever. I don't know if we have either.

There's Andre Malanachev video. You know, it's got the KK videos and it like cuts to just like some very industrial scene in what seems like Russia. It's like smoke stacks. Yeah. It's like a factory. I don't know what has to do with anything. Yes.

I think there's some old C.T. Fletcher benching in there. Uh-huh. It's, it's, uh, that's a video. I'm going to have to watch that before I go to the gym someday. I probably will now, too. It's been so long. But I feel like, yeah, Ryan used to quote some lines from this occasionally. Absolutely.

Absolutely. He still would, actually. Yeah. Uh, classic. Powerlifting, the mentality. The secret to no lifting burnout. There's definitely, there's definitely a lot of people listen to this. that I've never heard of that video.

Oh, they go watch it. We're not even, we don't, that's, you should watch it. You got to know, you gotta know what lifting was like in the early 2010s.

It is a good little time. I'm just watching, I have the volume off, but I'm just watching it. It is a good little time capsule of the who, what, where, yeah,

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we've got to finish powerlifting motivation first. The Melanchov parts, man. Yeah. A young Malachia. Talk about when we used to be a proper country, right? Back when we featured more Russian power lifters. Back when powerlifting was ran by Russians, we used to be a proper rigging country.

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In fact, that it'll last for three seconds, then it's gone. That's definitely a part of it. I want to talk about it, a number. of things about juicy fruit gum. That's one of the things. Also, the naming of that being called juicy fruit gum, that flavor, is there anything about that flavor that if you didn't know what it was called? And there someone was like, what flavor do you think that is? You're like, juicy fruit.

Yeah, juicy fruit. That to me, if something was going to be juicy fruit, I would want it to taste like a gusher. You know what? Like gushers, yeah, is more. It's almost too obvious to name Gushers juicy fruit. Well, like, there's nothing to me the flavor of that gum that's juicy. That's the oddest flavor name to come up with gum.

You know, spearmint, peppermint, big red makes a ton of sense to me. That one's very obvious, yeah. Okay, is juicy fruit really around anymore, though, is it? That was part of the other thing I was going to ask is because the reason this came up, my seven-year-old, she said at, in school, they were, like, they did a do thing with their desks where they're in four-person group pods. And each one had to come up with a name. And I was like, oh, yeah, what's your name?

She's like, we're the juicy fruit pod. And she's like, and I was like, why, juicy fruit? She's like, well, because everyone in our pod went on Gum Day when we get gum, we all like juicy fruit. And I was like, you like juicy fruit gum? She's like, yeah. I didn't even know you could buy that anymore. I just thought Big Red and all these other companies had pushed them out of existence with their little. Yeah.

Isn't the packaging all rainbowy with a zebra on it? No, that's not juicy fruit. No, no. That's fruit stripe gum. Oh, I'm getting really mixed up now. No, that makes sense if that's called juicy fruit. You got to look up what juicy fruit is. Juicy fruit is much older looking than.

Yeah, I'm really getting mixed up because, yeah, I'm thinking of fruit stripe this whole time. Yes, I'm getting my like 90s mixed around. Like that makes, no, I think the problem is juicy fruit is not a 90s gum. Juicy fruit is like a 30s gum, I think. Yeah, okay, it's the yellow one. Yes, yes. Okay, wow. Yeah, I was really getting mixed around here.

You know, traditionally a stick and like they used to come in like a pack of like, yeah, you know, juicy fruit. Man, that was a very popular gum actually when I think about it now. Yeah. It's really coming back to me. God, I have not seen juicy fruit. So I actually, when you talk about fruit straight gum, that flavor lasts the shortest of any gum ever in the history of man. That's what I was thinking of.

But that one did taste like something that like what I was saying before, like that, the flavor of that, if you named it juicy fruit, I'd be like, okay, that makes sense. Okay. Are you much of a gum? Were you much of a gum person though? Like, I never had my own gum, but if someone else had gum, I would gladly take gum from them. I never liked gum. part of the problem. I'm not that big of a gum guy. I don't have much. It makes my...

It's good for like 30 seconds and then it makes like my mouth dry. Yeah, it gives me cotton mouth. Yeah. Yeah. But there's... I'm not a big gum guy though. Yeah, me either. Sometimes I'm like, my breath is just bad. I could chew a stick of gum and spit it out and it's probably like in a pinch it might help. Yeah.

But juicy fruit gum, do you recall what that tastes like? I kind of do now. Yeah. It's not juicy fruit. No, like there's nothing. What is the actual flavor of that, though? Developed in 1893. Well, there you know. That's shocking.

I didn't know that. Hold over from the 1800s. A one-of-a-kind sweet flavor that is a combination of various fruit and other artificial natural flavorings. Yeah, the Google overview says a blend of banana, lemon, orange, and other fruity notes. That's a stretch. Hmm

It aims for a general I think a unique is a good way Just good way to describe that flavor It aims for a general ripe, sweet fruitiness Rather than a single fruit Yeah Interesting I don't feel like I see it very much anymore

But so do you see this Because you were thinking Oh I don't see fruit stripe gum anymore Which I don't I don't see that I actually don't know if that exists It probably does at least in a novelty capacity but juicy fruit definitely still exists, right?

Like if you go to the gas station, you can get this. It has to. Yeah. It has to, yeah. I mean, part of me, just wants to believe it still exists. I feel like people don't buy gum in these containers anymore. No, they're in like plastic containers now and they're more of the little cheeklet things, chick lit things versus sticks. Yeah, the sticks of, but like when I was in high school, everyone, this is what people still have.

Or even if there's sticks, it's the sticks. It's the stick. It's the smaller. It's not the long flat stick. It's a little more compressed. You know, a little thicker but shorter stick. It's that style more. Yeah. Not this traditional. This style of gum has really gone on the way. Well, now for that matter, because I'm looking at gum now. You know what else is like a close relative of juicy fruit? That'd be your Wrigley's double mint. Yeah. Is that the green one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The OGs of the gum space there. Riggily's really had in the 90s absolutely had gum by and complete and utter stranglehold. I bet their market share over the last like 30 years has, unless they also own all that.

Well, that's just what I'm curious that they just own extra and five and try it. They probably own all the gums. It's just that these old brands and Hubba Bubba and Big League chew, they just got them all. What was the, what's the one that you roll out like that? Yeah, what is. that we actually got some of that for my kids not that long ago and they thought it was just the best thing or uh you know it's like a tape measure almost yeah what the hell is that called uh bubble tape bubble tape bubble tape bubble tape you know what if you were like young and you're going to get some really awesome gum you were

like getting the premium gum it was the bubbleicious like the watt it was the square really soft pieces of like bubble look up bubbleish bubbleish go oh yeah okay yep yep I do remember that. That was like, oh, my God, this is just actual candy and gum form. This is kind of making my mouth water. Like, want to chew some gum here. Watermelon bubble-licious gum was really good. You could blow some killer bubbles with that, too.

Like, that's like bubble gum, whereas Wrigley's and all that, that's chewing gum. Yeah. There was a difference. Yeah. That's the, I think there's a difference there. Big League chew is a complete awesome. novelty, of course, a little separate thing. Yes.

Wow. Okay, juicy fruit. Juicy fruit. Still don't think it should be called juicy fruit. Weird name. Yeah, I agree. I was thinking the other day, Tanner, there's all these football games on TV,

you know, the season's winding down, college and NFL and these bowl games and, you know, it's football galore and see the armed forces. You know, they have their arms. Army teams and their Navy teams and their Air Force teams. Do you ever feel, you know, as a former member of the Armed Forces, do you ever feel slighted that there wasn't a National Guard team for football that you could partake in in all the glory?

No, because it really is the falls into the, it depends on what branch of the national guard, because there's an Air National Guard or an Army National Guard. So who's to stop them? Right. So it's the same branch. So it still is represented by the Army. Well, I don't know if they're getting their due here, though. I think they're kind of being tossed to the side.

All I'm saying is I really want to see a National Guard football team. That's what I realize I want out of all watching all these bowl games is that that's what's missing. I feel like the trouble might be of getting quality recruits. Yeah, well, you're finding people that don't. You know, it's actually the, I was thinking about this other day. I was having a conversation with someone. But you know what? The National Guard football team.

Is that what you were thinking about? The National Guard football. That might not be the best choice because what's pros of the National Guard would be the cons of them sporting a college football team. The active duty insert branch really give a lot of shit to reserves or guard. Uh-huh. unit and I having been deployed and going to basic trade like I've spent a couple years of my life around all active duty people from various things. So I have I wasn't in active duty, but I was on active duty and I was around a lot of like a year one to two years of my life where I was surrounded by people that are active duty.

Yep. And what the National Guard and Reserve having done it myself really have to their benefit that those don't. are people that have other jobs outside of the military. Yeah. That have like experience. Yeah, like a football team. That's why actually I think they're, the active units are perfectly suited for like a football team

because you're totally in on this thing. And it's just like a college football team. No, it's just like a college football team actually in that way, where you don't, you don't have to know anything else in the world besides this one thing that you do. So it's actually perfect. You don't concern yourself with anything else going on.

Yes, because you have no, like this is just the only thing. A hundred percent focus here. Yes. So it's actually kind of perfect for that. But in the National Guard, I'm like, oh, all these people you work with, they also have, I don't want to use this as an insult, but real world jobs outside of the military, which is completely different than almost everything else. Yeah.

Because of the constraints that, uh, other businesses that have to make a profit in a capital capitalistic society are so much different than a government ran thing that all the you just have to follow the rules right you know the

so I always thought it's an extreme advantage you're like oh no that guy owns his own carpentry business uh that guy you know go down the road of whatever everyone does and then these people get together you have drill weekend and it's like assembling the superheroes I'm just everyone's got these crazy skills

a very specific set of skills I might not go like superhero may because also some of the people still don't do anything like they're actually like they just for the other three weeks of the month almost

didn't do anything at all. There's superheroes their skills they're just really good at chilling yeah yeah so there's There's also a decent portion of the population that didn't really do anything. But more so the people that were in any position of authority, most of the time they did something else, you know, outside of that. It's like they have some sort of professional career. Yeah.

Then I'm like, oh, yeah, you also navigated the private sector. So then you come back here, you have this perspective that maybe some people that have never worked outside of the military never got. Yeah. and now imagine them being part of a football team too. It could really bring out the best in someone. I don't think that the National Guard football team would do very well. For that matter, the Army and Navy football teams don't do that well. They did pretty good this year.

No, they are good. But pretty good for it's the National Guard's chance to get in on this action. What was Army and Navy's record this year? I mean, it shows how much I follow college football. I can't even remember. but I think both teams, I think even, was even, did even the Air Force have a decent record?

Army. Let's see. Army football record, 2026. Oh, can't you just tell me the damn record, not show me all of them? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't really matter.

I don't even know what my point was. I never really got how. Does it, is it the Army or the Navy team that like just runs, runs the ball all the time? like their quarterback isn't even a passing. Yeah, I don't know. I think it almost feels like both of them to a certain extent. But yeah,

the thing I never got. Like their offensive linemen go in defensive linemen stances because they're only run blocking every single player. Here you go. There is no pass protection. This year, Army was 7 and 6. Navy was 11 and 2. That's a pretty damn good season.

11 and 2. Wow. I guess I'll eat my words. Yeah. Okay, this is the thing I don't get, though, how that works is in my mind. when you're in the Army and Navy, like you're just doing military stuff the entire time.

Like, there's no time for sports, sports ball. Like, those guys got to have a little different experience than the other people, don't they? It's not the Army. It's like West Point Academy. Yeah, but even there. Like, okay, so you're not doing, it's more just school.

It's not like military all the time. No, it's like military. I actually don't even know, like the players that play on Army, all at actively at West Point? See, that's, I, I've never understood that. I don't even know. I never actually knew how that part worked.

I'm sure that's what it is. I, it's not like, it's not like, oh, you're in the Army. Come play for the Army football team. Like, you're 34 in the Army. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because they're, yeah, they're all cadet athletes. So it is, I mean, they still, like,

it's not like normal college, but it's not also like normal active duty. Okay. That makes a little more sense than. I don't know what. I suppose the Naval Academy is where they pull their from then too. Apparently they're better at recruiting. I wonder what the recruiting actually is, though, because they still have to be recruiting.

You know, they're still recruiting. It's not just, okay, you're all the people that signed up for the West Point Academy. Let's field a football team. Who do we got that can throw a ball? Line up, we're going to see you can throw. We'll pick the best one. You're in. It's like in high school and track when they're like,

all right, we're going to learn middle school. We're going to learn hurdles. And they set some out there and they go, jump. And they just pick the five that like kind of more natural. Or the ones that didn't eat shit. Yeah, you can just kind of tell when you see it. Yeah. Just like that.

What teams are no conference? is it like Army Navy, Notre Dame and something else? I think that's about it. I mean, there might be, there's probably a few other ones, but they're much more. So could someone explain me why Notre Dame is not in a conference? Well, do you really want to go down that road right now? I'm sure it's money related, right?

I think it's, I think it's money related. And then now it's starting to be more and more of a thing of like, whoa, losses look bad on your schedule. So if you're not part of a conference, you can pick whatever games you want. And then when you don't have any losses, it's hard for you to not be in the top 12 and make the playoff every year. Like, that's what the critics would say about them right now. Right.

But so why wouldn't more schools do that? Well, I think because most schools don't have the brand name that Notre Dame does to get away with it. Right. But if you're University of Texas or if you're Michigan or Alabama, you can do that. Right. That is a thing in college football, like to leave a conference. You go and win the conference. Yeah, it's a pretty big deal.

If you're Alabama, if you're not going to be in. the SEC anymore. Everyone's going to be like, um, like hell. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's, but I don't know what college football is. Who knows anymore? If you don't like it, just wait a year. Pretty much. You don't like the current system.

Just wait a year. Oh, you know what? You'll probably dislike it even more when it changes. Just wait. It'll get worse. That's kind of what I, I feel like over the years,

it's almost done nothing but get worse. Yeah. Just you think it's bad now? Wait till we get even more money in it and ruin it for everyone. Well, that's becoming the thing. Like the whole NIL thing is a total. Yeah. The portal and stuff is a total shit show.

Yeah. Well, they just had, like, that was the talk like yesterday or something that the quarterback for Washington had just signed some big NIL deal. And then three days later said, no, I'm not going here anymore. It's like, you just signed a deal supposedly for millions of dollars. How does this all work now? And no one really knows. all this talk of sports though did maybe you just think of something we just the other day I big uh big big support of the G league over here I went and watched the game oh is it still

the sky force yeah still the sky force and uh what what uh is it the Miami heat yeah they're they're like the yeah they're affiliated with the heat which is always so weird that they're not affiliate with the Timberwolves who are yeah it's the Miami three hours away but the heat who are almost as far away as you could be. It was really fun. Not the D-League, the G-League. It's formerly the D-League.

It was really fun, though. It was a good time and the game was good. And you do forget, I don't watch a ton of basketball in person, but even guys that can't make it, oh, those guys playing them, they are so good at basketball. They're just so fast.

Even like the 7-1 guy who looks so uncoordinated, they leave him open for a three, he makes his first one. It's like, yeah, it just doesn't happen at lower levels, that stuff. No, no, no, no. You know, the, those guys are on people that are on the brink of being in the NBA.

Yeah, like there's, like they were playing the team from, oh, they were like some, like the Rio Grande Vipers or something, which is like the Rockets. Yeah. Affiliated team. And like the guy, like the scoring leader on the other team was averaging like 36 points a night. And he was from, like, he played at New Mexico or New Mexico.

state or something. And it's like, yeah, that guy hits a lot of shots. And then even like a few of the guys for Sioux, like there was a guy from ASU and a guy from Duke and a couple of guys from overseas. And I mean, it was fun. Like, I mean, there's guys getting fast breaks and they're throwing up like no look, Ali Ups and like the place is going crazy. And it was, it was a good time. I actually had a lot of fun at it. What's the attendance like at those games? Okay, have you ever gone to any of the games? It's at the Pentagon here. I went to one when I was like a little kid. Well, was it at the Pentagon, though, or at the arena? I don't think so.

I think it was at the arena. Yeah, because the Pentagon, I think, has only been there like 10 years or something. And that's where, like, Northern was playing all those playoff games. So I didn't know if you'd ever went to one. But I had, no, I've been there for the, I went to like the Northern National Championship. Oh, okay. So you've been in that arena.

Yeah, yeah. It's not that big, you know? No, it's not that big. It's actually like a big high school arena. Yes. Oh, there's high schools in the area that have bigger gyms than that for sure. Right. Right.

So we went, it was actually New Year's Eve. and I don't know if that made it busier or less busy. I'm not sure. But I would say it was probably three quarters full. Okay. That's pretty good though. Yeah, like it was, there was more people there than I expected.

And they had a halftime show and everything. Yeah. I mean, it was fun. My kids enjoyed it. I would definitely go to those occasionally if I live there. Like it's something. Like the seat tickets are like $19. And then if you want to be in like the first couple rows, it's $30.

And it's, yeah, it's fairly. I mean, it's not expensive, but it's not. Yeah. Was anyone sitting on the one end? Because you can sit on the one end? So the one end, they had a bouncy house up for kids. And the other end, they had sort of like merch and a bar set up and other stuff. So yeah, behind the hoops were empty. I think this was a hell of a sports and book segment this week.

We really brought this one home. Went deep on it. G-League basketball. It's just people in it for the love of the game. just G-League fans over here. No conference-affiliated college football teams. Uh-huh. Getting some love for the National Guard football team.

National Guard football team. Don't see a bright future for that one. Never say never. Need more teams out there. Yeah. All right. Should we bring this one, bring it on home? Yeah.

I guess people will just have to stay tuned for an agronomy update another day. Yeah. Not all that spicy out there in the agronomy. right now in the middle of January in South Dakota anyways. So we'll say, we gotta save something for a season two episode 11. Just a little teaser. Yeah.

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