Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 528: The Home Gym Product Everyone Regrets Buying

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

We did some digging through Gym Radar to find the most "overrated" piece of home gym equipment. This is still pretty subjective, so we'd love to hear your thoughts on where jammer arms land for you. The big supporting member line in the sand is coming this week along with the deadline for the first ever virtual Lift Hard Live Easy Classic! EliteFTS Use code MASS10 to save 10% on most orders! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates!

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If you don't follow Massanomics, you all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. What's up, everyone? Massanomics is back for episode 528. This is the 28th episode of Season 2 of the Massanomics, podcast, your two favorite home gym and lifting enthusiasts. My name is Tanner.

My name is Tommy. If there's anything anyone ever said about us, it's we're enthusiasts and enthusiastic about lifting gyms and gym equipment and getting strong. There's one thing we do. It's bring the enthusiasm. This is going to be a very enthusiastically packed episode of 528. We've got several topics on the docket. We have several important enthusiastic announcements,

but before we get to that, I want to let everyone know about a little deal going on over at barefoot. That's right, barefoot shoes. You can get $20 off your first order if you sign up for their email list. When you go to the site, you'll see that'll pop up there. So if it's your first order, you can get $20 off. You can also, in addition, use discount code massonomics for any order over there. That saves 10% on any pair of shoes.

They've got the kids' shoes over there. I actually just pass those down to a different family because my son outgrew his kid's shoes. He wore his barefoot Ursa for quite some time. But, you know, kids, as much as you try to not let them, they just grow up. So you eventually have to pass down your kids. Live, learn, and pass on. Barefoot shoes. Yeah, live, learn, and pass on your barefoot shoes.

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Thank you, Strength Co. Wow, you enthusiastically brought the heat on that ad read. I can tell you a real strength co enthusiast over there. That's what I've always said with this guy. This guy over here, he's a bit of an enthusiast. That's what I've always thought. That's right. You drinking anything over there this week?

I am. I'm so thirsty too. Mm-hmm. What is that? Does it look like a polar mandarin? Oh, all the way from China. Oh, yeah, that's good. That's good. I got a field day grapefruit flavored sparkling water.

That sounds pretty good. Are you familiar with this? Have you heard about this? Have you seen this? I've not seen this or heard about this. Field day is throwing me off. Where does that come from? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to have a field day with it. Oh, I'm just getting jealous over here.

What do you think that saying comes from? You're going to really have a field day. You're going to have a field day with that one. I feel like I have no context of what that even really. I mean, I know what the reference implies, but. Yeah, where does that come from? A real field day. A military term referring to a day of exercise drills or maneuvers.

It eventually evolved to mean a day of high activity and enjoyment. Hmm. It's a little bit of a stretch, but I can kind of see how it got there, I guess. Yeah. I got to say when I was in the military, most of that stuff wasn't all that enjoyable. You weren't having a whole lot of field days. No, when we were in the field, that usually meant it sucked. Well, was it high excitement, though? No. Low excitement, low enjoyment.

Maybe you just got signed up for the wrong group of guys. Maybe you just weren't in with the right people. I think that's, I think that's usually right. Yes. Okay. What do you give that drink you got over there? Oh, this is probably, you know, this is probably three and a half. It's pretty good. This is good, actually, this field day, this is good.

And it's, you know, the classic grapefruit flavor. This is like a four. This is pretty tasty beverage. Okay. Not a bad little number over here. Oh, it's not. Okay, we got huge news, huge news. Big news, big huge.

news. First of all, the Lift Hard Live Easy Classic virtual meet, the online meet, the last day to sign up is May 23rd. So when this comes up, it'll be the end of the week of when this episode comes out. So May 23rd is your final day. We won't record another podcast to be able to remind you that I'll publish before that. So this is kind of almost your last reminder. If you want to get signed up for the virtual meet, the virtual Lift Hard Live Easy. Classic where you get the meat t-shirt. It's really the only way if you're online, you're not going to be in person that you're guaranteed to get the meat t-shirt because we just sell leftovers online after the meat.

And we always do run out of certain sizes in person. Oh, yeah. It's the only way to guarantee you will get the size you actually want. So you get that meat t-shirt. You get the Lift Hard Live Easy 4 magnet, and you get to compete in the squat bench and deadlift virtual meat. Which opens you up for the option to win some Massonomics $100 gift cards. As of now, we're giving away, oh, rough back of the napkin math,

at least $5, $100 gift cards and a $250 gift card. And the more of the people that sign up, those just continue to go up. And there is also, for those of you that have your Hall of Fame card, there is a contest win on the line now for this. Yep. Um, Mofo said we better have a two XL left over for that one guy. He already signed up. So he's already got his coming, actually.

He learned his lesson. That's a supporting member inside thing. You got to be a supporting member and in on the Discord to know what that, what's going on there. But he has, he's already got his name on one. So that won't be a problem this year. And like we said, just competing, uh, the Hall of Fame checkmark number, what is the number

compete what's the compete oh compete number two compete at the lift hard live music classic we've said doing the online meet is worth half of a checkmark towards that and it's not you don't get to stack on like if you do virtual meet next year you don't get another half it's just a one time half check mark first half of the check mark

yeah and you have to like come and do it in person to get the second half of the checkmark but you know you're halfway there on that checkmark So that's not nothing. It's progress. It's progress. Oh, someone, we got a supporting member that says,

what Hall of Fame card? Big Ender. Big Chris. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Big Chris. I almost forgot how to pronounce Chris. Yeah, so if anyone that's a supporting member,

and you don't have the Hall of Fame card, you know, someone can post it here virtually so you can see and you can play along already. But next time you order anything from Massonomics, let me know that you don't have a Hall of Fame card that you're supporting member that you need one, and I'll just include one with your next order so that you've got the physical card as well. And you can start checking it off. And once you get to 12 check marks, you make it in our Hall of Fame cup level, we call it,

where you get a silly pint special Hall of Fame cup. If you make it all the way to 15 check marks, you get your personalized jacket and you're in like the Ring of Honor. There's a whole ceremony. Yeah, I think we're up to almost 55 cup level Hall of Famers now. A couple more that will be actually receiving their cup this July. The cups we will mail out if you choose, if you want your cup mailed. Or we can give it to you in person if you're coming to an event soon.

But the jacket's always an in-person ceremony. I actually never thought of that. It's always worked that way, though, hasn't it? Well, it's just got to work that way. Yeah. It wouldn't be getting your jack. There's no ceremony if it's not in person. Wow, yeah, I never actually, yeah.

And as Scants pointed out, there is a special designation for all 16 out of 16 is master completer. And I think we're up to three or four master completers now. So that's the Hall of Fame checkmark. It's pretty cool. There's a whole page dedicated to it on our website. You do get your name on the website too under the Hall of Fame page. And you can see that the Hall of Fame.

jacket ceremony is one of my favorite things about Masonomics at this point. I'm looking forward to this summer's Hall of Fame jacket ceremony. It's so much fun. introductory speech. You get to stand up in front of everyone and have them sing praises and applaud for you. It's I think, I was thinking one other

thing we should start doing with that is a really quick thing, you know, because we bring up all the existing Hall of Fame members and they wear their jacket and they stand there. And I think we should even do a quick introduction from now on every time that's like of all the existing Hall of Fame members. you're saying.

You know, not the full of all their accomplished. But all the jacket members that are in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like before we, we do the ceremony of the new inductees, we go over the existing ones. I think that's fair.

Yeah. Just a little refresher on everyone. Yes. Yes. And like that way, every time you're an existing Hall of Fame member and you come to the thing, you're going to get like a little recognition again. I actually like that. Yeah.

That's good. So the Hall of Fame ceremonies are evolving over time as very. we're getting more used to this. But, lift hard leave easy virtual meet. Get signed up. It's $50 and you get the shirt and the magnet and you get to compete. And the deadline to sign up is May 23rd.

But then the time for submitting is actually in July. There's one week in July from July 6th to July 12th. And just go on the website where you can buy it and all the details are there. You can see. But enough time to put together about a good seven to eight. week prep here. Yeah, there's time. So kind of like the perfect amount of time.

You can get one jackal cycle in before that. Then the other, we got just so many important dates coming out. There's a lot of deadlines here. We're big lines around here. We're really operating on a lot of, a lot of deadlines. So we have decided the line,

if you don't know this, if you didn't listen to the last week's episode, you might not know yet. we just gave the full Hall of Fame rundown. What that's all a feeder from is the supporting membership program. So you must be a supporting member to get in on the Hall of Fame, to get your checkmarks, to get your checklist, all of that stuff. And everything else that goes wrong with being a supporting member,

but that thing that goes along with that that's coming up really soon is a special mailer. All the stuff's in here in the room with me now. we mail a couple times a year we mail something out to everyone that's a supporting member we've got this one figured out i love this one if you're an enjoyer of the show and you're not signed up to be a supporting member by may 20th i really think you're going to be kicking yourself for this it's very funny and it's going to be a badge of honor to have it's going to be your loss and everyone else is just going to rub it in your face yeah what some of the things people would say about people that don't get signed up in time.

I don't even know if I could say some unspeakable things. It'd be really bad. Yeah, I don't know if anyone should we be repeating those. You didn't get signed up in time? What a doofus. I bet they'd say stuff like that. Oh, he's up over there, buddy.

They know, it's okay. They made the mistake. They were the ones that didn't sign up. They'd say, you giant horses asshole. That's what they'd call them. So there is a line on the sand. The line is May 20th. If you're a supporting member by that time,

you get this sent because then we're printing envelope. Like come May 20th, May 21st, probably. We're printing envelopes and stuffing them, working on stuffing them. Like the process of that will start at least. I don't want to insinuate that they're all going to get done that day. You know, there's a saying it doesn't happen overnight. It actually doesn't happen overnight.

No, but there is a date where the envelopes get printed. That's going to be May 20th. So if you don't sign up before that, you don't get an envelope. You don't get this mailer. You sign up on May 21st, I feel sorry for you. You, you sir, messed up or madam, if you sign up on May 21st. You really screwed the pooch on that one. That's a saying, right?

You got to go home and face your family with that mistake. Yeah, yeah. You really screwed the pooch on that one. Is that referring to like having sex with a dog? You know, I'm not quite sure what the origins of that saying are. I'm not totally sure I want to know either. That's the saying, though, right? Oh, yeah.

I don't think that's what it means. I think it's just something that sounds like that, but it means something pretty harmless. I don't know. Cool, just keeping that one a mystery forever. You know, keep it innocent in case it's not. Maybe it is innocent and there's nothing to worry about. Okay.

Line in the sand, May 20th. Did you write down Saxon? segment or did I? Oh, because I got stuff too, but I did. Should we do a little sack segment? Yeah. Well, it's not too often I get a sack around these parts.

And what's in the sack? Classic segment, first ever massonomic segment, maybe something like that. I believe so. And here we go. I don't know if you know this, Tanner, but recently you ordered some danglers from Darko. I did. Did you know that? I got that today.

Did you hear about that? Did you know about that? Yes. And I didn't actually order danglers from Darko, but I got a note here that says Tanner bought some danglers. So we thought you should have some too. Hopefully these don't interfere with your leg extensions. These guys get it. And so I got the...

Did it show up today? I got these red danglers. There they are. And these things are sweet. I don't think I've seen the red ones ever. Like he had either black or green ones at his house. Yeah. So, you know, we didn't see these red ones.

The red ones are cool, aren't they? They're very cool. So I'm very excited for those. And then he also threw in this Massanomics Megpin, which is great. I love it. It looks really, really good. It's got the, it's hard to see, but it has the dimensional, like, print to it where the logo actually sticks up.

And just because he's dark on, he always goes the extra mile. He also threw the Tommy. trying to get to focus on the camera that the Tommy Megpin face on there and my kids thought that this was great they loved that they're daddy that's you and they thought that was really funny so um I had to go out you know test it on the rack and it looks it looks great on there so is that magnetic that's the thing like uh it's it's the pin part itself on the backing of it so you can I don't know I actually haven't messed that enough how you actually switch that out but um yeah that it's it's the pin is where the magnet is.

Gotcha. And then because, you know, he's Darko, he's not to be outdone. Not only does he include all those, he has a sticker. He put in a coozy and he's got this fantastic Jim Radar card. I saw that and I was like, oh, what's this Jim Radar? I've heard about these guys and it seems like they're doing checking this out. I love Darko stuff. I might have to go review some of those Darko stuff on Jim Radar.

Help him out. It sounds like you can help him climb in the rank. and other gym owners to discover his products. Wow, that sounds great. Yeah, if you're interested in Darko products, we do have a discount code too, I think, right? Oh, yeah, I believe so. We're for sure have an affiliate. Like, I think there's even a discount code. It's probably Massonomics. So if that segment there sounded biased because I got that stuff for free, I can tell you that was biased, but I'm also going to tell you it was honest that it's the real deal. Hey, I paid for the dangle. Yeah, Dan, paid for it. I did. So mine's not biased.

Tanner's isn't biased. He actually spent his money on it unlike me. I was excited when I got those danglers. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to see what I can use these for. That's a good sack. Wait, did you have a sack segment too then or not? Well, no, I had the kind of that same sock, actually. Okay.

I feel like I had some, I mean, actually, I don't know if we talk about it before or after the title topic, but I've got a whole bunch of stuff, a whole bunch of gym equipment stuff. Oh, let's save it for after. Because we're going to talk equipment on the title topic a little bit. Okay. So it can just feed right into that. That'll be a good time to jump into that, I think, then. Should we maybe do, is it too early to do supporting our supporting members?

I don't think so. We can get right to that. All right. Well, people bitch about how much, how many announcements we have and how much we chat, newsflash. The whole thing is just us chatting. Even when we tell you it's the title topic, it's still just like the whole rest of the show. So we're still doing it. Supporting our supporting members is a relatively new segment of the podcast.

I already kind of talk quite a bit about supporting memberships and the line in the sand. And, you know, you get this mailer. The other thing you get is shout it out on supporting our supporting members. If you do something cool and you let us know about it, we shout you out here each week. What are some other things you get as a supporting member? You get in in our Discord. It's the only way you can listen to the podcast live, like, we have a group of people doing right now.

One of the coolest things is probably the pre-show, the Massanomics pre-show. If you're not a supporting member, you might not even know about this yet. But prior to every show that we record, we do something between 10 and almost 30 minutes sometimes where it's the show before the show. It's the greased show in all of podcasting.

It is real. We really do the Massonomics pre-show, but it's not recorded, it's not cut, and it's not filtered. So the only way you get to listen to that is if you're a supporting member, and the only way you get to listen to it is if you listen along live. Because it's when we say all the stuff that we never want to be recorded, so you have to listen live. All the stuff that's just too much for all those innocent ears out there.

Yeah, it's not safe for work is what they would say. Don't play it at the office. Oh, you'd also be like, What the hell is this? The Massonomics pre-show? That is not safe for work. Get that off. That is way too greasy.

You can play the regular Massonomics podcast, but this pre-show stuff, no. Not at work. Straight to HR. You'll have a little appointment with them. Yep. This week's supporting member, Big Troy, he ran a 20K. That's 12.4 miles.

And he did it in one hour and 51 minutes. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'm assuming that's pretty good. Just continuing to move your legs forward in a running motion. So that distance is pretty good, yeah. Big Chris Mark competed at the Rituals of Strength 9 Strongman competition where he got third place. And I think was real close to even taking the whole thing by storm, but still third place. Impressive. Big Joe Guns got sixth out of 12th in his novice 105 kilogram class in his first strong.

man competition ever. Hell yeah, brother. Well done. Big Mary supporting member, not my wife. It was her first team strongman competition. And they play second. Oh, love a good team strongman competition. Yeah.

Reminds me of the 2018 Masonic Strongman Showdown. Oh, just a short eight years ago. Just eight years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. Red versus blue. Did you recall, I think it was, at who's gym on this last set of gym tours someone had a bell like a yeah and it was like the bell that you know like yeah that's uh and her heinous uh actually i think it was yeah i think you

picked it up at in his tour yeah and i don't think i said anything out loud but you've probably did you did you know what i was thinking when i picked that up i thought the exact same thing when i saw it and then you move like because it is the same like novelty bell that we used for for the 2018 Masonomic Strongman Showdown. Yeah. I have to bring those back sometime. That's, they were a hit. Well, we do have something.

I mean, we'll talk more about this over the coming month or two, but we've got some pretty cool items lined up for the 20, that if you're in person at the 2026, uh, lift, Hardly, Easy Classic, you're going to have your chance at some pretty cool one of a kind, Lift Hardly, I had to think,

there's just so many things. I had to think for a minute. about what item it was. One thing we were getting going here just as of late, I think is going to be a very fun novelty item this year. Unpaid and underrated celebrated their three-year podcasting anniversary. They are the Bratty Little Sister podcast to the Massonomics podcast. They've made it three years now.

I think it was episode 157. And they celebrated that by it was a D&D episode where, where Big Scott was what you would call the dungeon master or the, I guess dungeon master in the case. And it was audio play along with them traveling through Aberdeen. Basically during the lift, Hardly, Bezzie, and there were several side quests,

and they're battling mosquitoes. and creatures made from various pieces of gym equipment and they're solving puzzles to get into the gym and like having to go to the circus and Brock the Rock, Bernie was involved and it was, I think,

written by Big Derek, hosted by Big Scott as Dungeon Master. And there was a lot of very creative writing that went into it. That's good. And there, of course the braddy little sister podcast that's another perk of being a supporting member they don't normally do a d and d episode every week they usually interview someone that's

an existing supporting member so you could get on um there as a guest sometime and then on the half baked uh training thoughts podcast which is our you know you and you is our little sister podcast half baked training thoughts is our uh cool drunken uncle podcast It's like someone's got to have one title. The Drunken Uncle at your party podcast. That's how we're related to the Half Bank Thoughts podcast. And this week's guest was Big Kurt from Pennsylvania. On the Drunken Uncle podcast.

So thank you to all supporting members this week. Thank you very much. What about a certified training facility of the week? Yeah, I got one here. It's pretty interesting, actually. Unlike the other ones we did that. Oh, finally an interesting one. Weren't interesting.

And this one's actually pretty, no, I'm just kidding. If you're certified training still with the week, it's because you're interesting. And we're keeping that tradition. And because you're certified trading. Well, and you're certified training. But we're keeping the tradition alive this week. We are looking at the hold in freehold township, New Jersey.

Big township guy. Tanner, tell me when you flip that. switch so I can watch it go live. Yeah, what I'm doing is marking this off as now certified training facility of the week. That gets them, well, it gets you that badge and then also some points on the leaderboard too, right? Yep. It has been done. The deed has been done.

Oh, yeah. There it is. Certified training facility of the week. Oh, can't beat it. All right. So a little highlight high points of this gym. Actually, owner, Simone's strength, 661 points. They're a gold tier.

They're on the top 100 list on the leaderboard. Their bio says 4 a.m. lifting club and, oh, home gym enthusiasts. Wow. Okay, we're not dealing with any normal home gym person. This guy's an enthusiast. Oh, this is kind of close to home here. I'm wondering it's making me think now our badge. You know, we've been talking about adding another badge.

at the top. Do we need to have an enthusiast become a level? Because that's the pinnacle. If you're deemed an enthusiast, that's the top. There's nowhere else to go. There's nowhere to go beyond.

You're just getting started. You haven't yet entered enthusiast level. All right. The gym is called the hold. It has established in 2020. It is a garage gym, and it's roughly 420 square feet, which is,

about 17 horse stall mats for those wondering. The top brands in this gym are rep, rogue, and four, six. So some quality pieces. The gym does have 98 pieces of equipment in it logged here. So they've definitely spent the time to put all their items in here, which I can appreciate. And the owner has even left a fair number of reviews. How many reviews we got here from the owner?

26. 26 equipment reviews. I love to see that too. You know, some people. He's also got himself a gym list and an equipment list. Yeah, he's done all the things. You know, and we say you can use Jim Raider as much or as little as you want, but I love seeing these profiles that have just kind of done all the stuff.

Yeah. On his wish list, he has the legacy leg extension slash hamstring curl machine from Bells of Steel. Oh, okay. It's on his wish list. Should we take a look at the photos here? Yeah. All right. Oh, man.

He also has a gym list. called best gyms. Ah, I like that. This is some high pressure stuff. Oh, yeah, who made the cut here? Okay. Anyone we know? Basement Barbell.

Yeah. Laying athletics. You know which one that is? I do. Which one in Canada? Vienna Iron Club. Toured that one before. Tunquist Gym,

Big Brandon's gym. Is Brandon number one on the leaderboard? Yes, he is. And then Z4 V. 4 L4HQ. Yeah. I don't know what that name means.

You know, have you seen that name on Jim Radar before? Yes, I have. Yeah. Are they using fours in place of the A? Is that how they're doing it? Is that what that is? It could be. Okay.

I figured there was something that I wasn't getting there, and that's probably what is it is. It's a cool looking gym too. We'll get to that some other week, though. That one is very cool. But those five are the best gyms. And this segment is not about those gyms. This segment's about the hold, damn it.

Right, right. So let's get to it. The best gyms. We have one, two, three, four, five photos to look at. And these photos tell a story here. So we're in a garage. The garage is, I always like to see the garage. You know, has some paint on the wall.

It's finished. You know, it just makes it feel a little more polished. But what really catches your attention with this is the rack set up here. You see in this, Tanner. Yeah. It's almost like a dueling rack. So we do have dueling racks. The one rack,

I, yeah, he's got a lot of stuff in here. Yeah, it's kind of actually hard to take it all in. And then there's also a mirror on the wall. So it makes it look like there's even more stuff to look at. But are these the stainless?

I can't tell. These are the stainless. So these are rogue racks? Are they both rogue or is just the one? One's a rep PR 5,000, I think. And then the other one's a rogue rack with a drop in rhino. And it looks like, are they connected with a cross member?

or they just buy each other. That's why I wondered if they were connected. There's no photo that I can't actually quite tell if they're connected or not. But is this the clear grind or the stainless finish? I'm not even sure. Yeah, maybe like the clear grind. I guess maybe it's different a little bit between the different. Yeah, maybe the rep one is a clear grind and the rogue might be stainless.

I'm not sure. I'm by no means a rack finish expert over here. Call me out on it. But you're not much of an enthusiast is what it's sounding like. I'm not an enthusiast. Well, I'm not the hold. They are an enthusiast. I am not.

I'm just a want to be enthusiast. But the racks look great. Like two of them like this together. Very cool. Really cool. Yeah, the one being a rhino setup. He's got the drop-in rhino on his rogue rack, right? Yeah.

I mean, that is, it's just the, what do they call that actual setup? It's the, well, yeah, the rogue, yeah, it's the drop in with, in its own squat rack completely. Yeah, rogue monster rhino belt squat drop in, yeah. Yeah. And that rack looks really good. He's got the, what's at the rogue multi-roller, whatever the hell they call that really oversized roller that spans the whole width.

He's got that on there. When we look at the other rack, though, right next to it, he does have a Voltra on there. This would be the Rep Rack. He's got the Voltra on there. He's got the Reps with the Rep Dumbel cart in there, too. What rep bench is this, Tanner? Let's see.

It's getting sucked into these pictures here so much. I don't know what bench is that. That's the black wing. The black wing. The black wing. Okay. Yeah, he has that. He's got some mono arms inside the rack.

He's got a darko anchor with multiple barbells. Yep. But the rack has a very nice black and silver aesthetic going on. It's a really, really good look. When I look at photo number three, we got some wall control. We got some mag grips or some variation of them. I'm not exactly sure what that, uh, yeah. He's got angles 90 grips back.

there. Oh yeah, yep. Those are up there. Yeah, he's got he's got a four, six, uh, that flat tricep push down attachment. A bunch of belts, uh, belts, straps, wraps, bands, all the good stuff there. What's this? You can't really see it actually. He does have a functional trainer. It's like the one photo he's kind of missing of what a good photo of it is. Does, uh, oh yeah, the Arcadia Max. Not to be confused with the GMC Acadia in case anyone was wondering. They are different different products. So he has the RACA, the rep Arcadia Max functional trainer,

which is that the same one Huck Finn had in his gym? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So we actually, Bar gym reviews had that too. We've seen them in multiple gyms. That's right. That thing's pretty sweet.

That is a pretty good, pretty handy little unit there. And looking at us barbell wall, what we got for barbells? We got the Kabuki, Cadillac bar. Is that the rogue rackable curl bar or I think so?

Yeah, we got a bow bar. That might be the Duffalo bar. Double black diamond from Rep Fitness. The earthquake bar. And a Titan SSB. And this is a guy that seems to like the finer things in life and he has no problem with a Titan SSB.

According to Jim Radar, a lot of people don't have a problem with the Titan SSB. It seems to be a pretty popular item there. And then it looks like the Rep. Open Trap Bar down on the bottom. Of course, you got some strollers because you can't have a garage and kids without at least some strollers in it, right?

That sure looks like a Peloton right next to the stroller too, isn't it? And it is a Peloton. Not only a Peloton bike, but a Peloton tread. See that thing? Oh, wow, yeah. Okay, yeah. Wasn't even over this next picture yet.

He's also on the, he's got the wall-mounted torque tank M1 push sled too. I should get a wall-mounted like that for mine. Kind of a nice way to get it out of the way. Yeah. Those things are big, but once it's on the wall, it doesn't take up that much room, actually. No, that's pretty nice.

And he has some more wall control there. We've got the Cleva built jack, some other things. But, uh, yeah, that's, oh, and then there's also the rep GHD is on there too. Oh, yeah, it's right in the foreground of that first picture. Exactly. Missed it right under my nose in the foreground. And that is just a, just a small sampling,

because like I said, he has 98 pieces in his gym here. we don't have the time to cover them all. So check out the hold on Jim Radar. If you want a more in-depth look at any of this, or if you'd like to see the photos for yourself, they're all there. Well, I think what the people really want to know is, could you get freaking strong in the hold, Tommy?

Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, we're getting hell of strong in the hold up in. Hold a township. We're getting strong. They don't call it the hold for no reason, am I right? Exactly. All right. This episode is brought to you.

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Tommy, did you see the toilet paper palette? I did. It was large. It was very tall. 1,000 pounds. Does that meet shipping regulations? They're allowed to stack those things that tall? I didn't know they could stack shit that high.

I didn't know they could stack shit paper that high. Do you think they said that before they? Do you think they slapped it and sent it out up to the shipper? My wife said there's a truck here that's got a really big pallet on it. And I said, oh boy, I know I got a good feeling about this one. And it was about 3,000 rolls of multiply toilet paper. So everyone that competes this summer or volunteers, and if you do both, you actually get to double dip in this case,

if you compete and volunteer, you're getting walking away with two roles of complimentary, what, commemorative, Lift Hardly v.C, classic elite FTS rolls of toilet paper. So there's a lot of toilet paper in Massanomics gym right now sitting around in there. Most of the walls are lined with toilet paper. My kids loved it. We made a giant throne out of the toilet paper. And then we actually ended up having to move it and put it like right in the very front of the garage so they could sit out and watch the entire street from the toilet paper throne.

Just look over everyone from their toilet paper throne. And then the next morning they dismantled it and made a giant like toilet paper ball pit is what I would say. Like without the balls, but just like a giant single rolls. Like a wrestling ring almost is what you could say. No, not single rolls, but just like it'd be like what would a ball pit would look like with no balls in it, where it was like a toilet paper floor and toilet paper like four-foot side walls. It was like a... Yeah, like a toilet paper cage almost.

Yeah, like a toilet paper cage. Yeah. Which is actually pretty safe because it's all made out of toilet paper and it's, you know... Soft. Soft yet durable for elite FTS toilet paper. Yeah, the largest amount of toilet paper I've really ever handled all that once. And I've seen some serious stuff before. four in my day.

Seen some shit. Should I kick these lingers out of here? I think so. This might take me a while. You got, oh yeah. Yeah, I was just mindlessly catching up

on the Discord. I forgot we're also podcasting here. All this dead air. There's people listening to this. Checking out. Okay. We also probably need to do a radar report this week, but maybe we're going to hit that after.

I have something I want to talk to about bench press pauses. I see we have a sports and book segment, but possibly before we do any of that, we'll get to our title topic here. And maybe Tommy has a good description of what this title topic is going to be. You got to hit the button for me because this goes hand in hand with our radar report. Okay, so this is part of the radar report. Yes.

to be clear. So title. So I need like Power Man 5,000. This is what it's like when worlds collide. Oh yeah. We got two segments crossy. Title topic and radar report are merging. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention?

Radar love. So radar report slash title topic of the week is what? The most overrated. Home Gym product based on actual home gym data. We're going to fine tune that a little bit, but that's what's going on here. It makes sense to me. It does make sense. And this will make sense to everyone here once I explain it.

So, you know, like everyone, Tanner and I are just always searching Jim Radar for any little hidden gem we can find, see what insights are out there with. waiting for us, what people are saying, what the internet's saying. You know, what's to be learned from this thing? And there was one thing that I've noticed a lot lately. I feel like I've seen a lot of, no, actually, you know what? I'm just going to backtrack that. I'm going to change my status here. Okay.

Let's look around. Change your Facebook status to it's complicated. Change your status to it's complicated. It's complicated. It's complicated on what the most overrated piece is now. No, it's not. That part's not complicated. I'm just going to change my story.

He changed his profile picture to a selfie of himself in his car with sunglasses on. Yeah, must not be going well there. Exactly. That's how I feel about this piece. So while I'm going through looking at a certain product category, I would say, you know what,

for the most part, Tanner and I've talked about this before. For the most part, people review stuff pretty positively on Jim Radar. And is it because they're biased and not honest? I don't think so. I think for the most part, when people get to the point of buying something,

they've researched it quite a bit. They have a pretty good idea of what they're in for, and they've made all the mental tradeoffs in their mind. And when they get it, they're like, yes, nine times out of 10, it validates what they thought. And they typically rank things pretty favorably. That's usually how it goes. It might surprise you to learn.

Most people don't look at what product, bad products, and be like, yes, I'm buying that bad product so I can leave a bad review. Like, that's typically not how people spend their money. You know, they try not to buy bad stuff. but there's one certain product category that gets pretty bad reviews. And it's not even just one single brand or one single product. It's pretty much every company that plays in this space and almost every version of this product is rated pretty poorly on Jim Radar. Tanner, should I hit him with what this is?

Better do it to them. This week we're talking jammer arms, baby. And I'm not quite sure how I came across this. But for example, here, most products in Jim Radar, I would say the average is probably pretty close to a four rating as far as products go. Yeah, there's you get some that are high three. You know, some might be in your three. Some that are closer to five.

Yeah, some are closer to five. But when you look at the jammer arms, you know, and I'm actually going to sort by the most popular, we're going to give it the benefit of that down. see like all right the from what i can tell the most owned set of jammer arms on jim radar are the rep iso fitness arms they are owned by six people and they also have six reviews for an average rating of 2.72 out of five by jim radar standards that is not good the next most owned jammer arms would be the rogue actually no rog's actually even higher than them the rogue monster

LT 150 Cal Trolley 2.0 lever arm kit. Not a good name. That is owned by eight gyms with five reviews for an average of a three star rating. The Monster Light version is owned by three gyms and it has one review with a 1.67 rating, which is as far as Jim Radar goes terrible. If I look in here, you know how also I know that a lot of these things aren't well liked? They don't have any reviews. The PRX profile Halo arms

Owned by five gyms, no reviews. The Titan X3 series adjustable lever arms Owned by four gyms zero reviews. Bells of Steel 3.67 rating. Actually, Bells of Steel's ranked relatively good. We have Mirafit. We have Crandall Fitness.

We have more PRX. We have Sorenx. More Titan. What else is here? Griffin. There's actually a 4 rating. They're doing better than most, but it is only one rating.

Well, it's just one. Yeah, that's just one. Macolo, decathlon, ATX, more Titan. Who else is playing in this space here? Because I don't want, I'm not singling out any single one company. Right, right.

That's not the point of the... Alibaba. Like the point is how much it goes across all the different. Yeah, elite FTS, major fitness. Yeah, so there's a lot. Basically, all of these are rated pretty poorly, even from like the biggest players in the space. And if you read through the reviews, I know, some of the reviews are really, really good.

I wanted to read. I've got one I want to read that. I mean, this one review sets the tone the best because I'm like, man, you read through these and people actually just don't have good things to say about these at all. And where I get confused is I watch videos online of people just like setting up these elaborate jammer arm setups in their gym. And I'm thinking, God, am I missing out on something? And I actually want to put this disclaimer out there.

I am a firm believer. we learned from our friend Gunner Peterson when we toured his gym. He said no equipment is good or bad. It is just different. And I 100% agree with that because depending on your goals, your budget, your space, all of that,

what's bad for me could be amazing for you. Well, yeah, and like one that comes to my mind as a recent tour was Big Steve's in Chicago. He had jammer arms set up. Yeah. And he loves them. He's very particular about everything in his gym.

I don't think he has anything in there that he doesn't use. Like, that dude uses his gym equipment. Yes. Like, it's very... He's a great example here. And, like, he doesn't have that much space, so everything's very efficiently laid out, and he really likes them.

Yep. So some people are going to like him, but what we noticed is across a lot of people that they don't. Yeah, and that is, yeah, and that's more of what we're... We're highlighting the trend here. Of that, just the trend on these is not great.

And it doesn't mean that it applies to every single. You might have them and might like that. It does not. And I'm... And you're not wrong. I'm totally, yeah, put it in the comments. If you're a person that loves jammer arms, do it. I want to hear from you, like write it down there and tell us what you like to do with them because I think that's great for people to see too.

I mean, like give it some perspective on what's positive. But on the naked is what I'm reading through these. I'm like, man, people are just dogging these things too. And my favorite review that I read on all these was on the rep ISO arms. Okay, yeah. And I really, I don't think this review is unique to rep. I think this applies to the sentiment here. applies to Jammer Arms in general.

But this one, it's Scottsdale Garage Gym, who is a very active member on the website, 2,8333 points, 298 reviews. That guy's an enthusiast, Danor. I think he's approaching an enthusiast level there. That's an enthusiast level, yeah.

And he rated the rep ISOjammer arms, a performance, a one-star rating for performance, a one-star rating for value, and he gave him a four-star rating for build quality. It's pretty fair, actually. He's not saying it's a poorly made product, or anything. But I'm going to read his whole comment here because it's so funny. It starts

so that it's absolute trash. Don't believe the influencers who would have you believe you can recreate a commercial gym experience with lever arms. They're heavy. They're awkward. They take up so much space that you almost have to leave them on a rack or find an unused spot to keep them close by. The lever arm makes most of the things you'd use them for absurd. The only thing they're good for is actually using them as jammers, but most of us don't train something like that regularly or can at least approximate that with a Viking press attached on a landmine. The best day I had in my gym was the first time I went in there and realized that these were gone. I really, really hated these things for the price and all the stupid additional things.

And he talks about some different attachments and things you are, you know, adapters and things you can get for them. He says it would definitely overrun the cost of an actual commercial machine. I hope this message finds at least one person who is thinking about doing this. and warns them off. Then I'll have fulfilled my mission of keeping people away from this idiocacy. Stay away. And, oh, man, what a great review.

That's so funny. And then you just go down to the next review, and it's like kind of like someone saying the same thing. Brandon Campbell, I hate lever arms. They are more basic. These are more basic than the rogue. And installing them and moving them up and down is annoyingly more difficult.

It's just a lot of like, at best. so, so thoughts on them. And a lot of comments of like, yeah, if you ever have to move these, just don't. You're not going to do it. This person took a photo. Mine are awaiting bulk trash pickup.

They're in a garbage pile. Like an actual literal garbage pile. Yeah. So jammer arms, I don't know. Like I didn't really have any thought process in my mind to get started with these. I feel like I've heard warnings over the years on these.

But man, read through the reviews and you'd be like, oh, I think I need to stay away from these things. Yeah. Yeah, like have you ever considered wanting jammer arms? No, I never have. Actually, I think part of why, and I don't know if this is what even led me down this road of looking at these or not, but like I see, like, Coop has a lot of videos right now talking about jammer arms. And I mean, he has kind of like this coop rack thing he's doing with like a quantum free trainer arms, which is just, is just kind of like really long jammer arms.

And, you know, talking about how you can recreate certain setups. And it's like, well, yeah, but you get the quantum free trainer, which is like four grand. You get a couple of ultras and mounts. Which is five. You're into this damn thing for like $12,000. It's like you could literally buy like three of the prime machine. Or, you know, whatever. Or you could just settle for use commercial pieces and have 10.

And I get it. Space is also a concern. But, yeah, I've just, even, I mean, I know it's not an exact comparison. Harrison, but when I think of a movement, kind of like a seated chest press, I feel like it's sort of like a movement you see people trying to replicate with jammer arms. And like Massonomics has, you know, what is that, Sybex seated chest press or whatever it is in there. And I mean, it's fine, but it's never been like a movement I love even in the first place.

Like it's fine. There's nothing wrong with it. But it's just for me, it was like, oh, this is an accessory movement I'll do for a training block or so. and then I'll move on to the next thing that's probably more effective. Well, we have that dedicated machine and most people don't use it very often. That's my point. So then it's like, yeah, like even with the dedicated machine, the version that presumably does it pretty well,

I'm always going to like, yeah, I've done this. And like, it's not like just, it's pretty low on my priority list of things that I would try to work into my training. So then like when I see these elaborate jammer arm setups of, I mean, nine times out of 10, I feel like when I see people doing it, it's a seated chest press or like a seated overhead presses, the movement they're mimicking with it, which are also relatively easy to mimic with just a barbell. So, yeah, that's, it just, I was wondering if I was the odd man out, but man, reading through these reviews, it seems to be most people that touch jammer arms don't have a ton positive to say about them. I get the idea that you're trying to maximize space efficiency. a home gym and that there's an appeal to it.

But it seems like practically speaking for a lot of the people, they don't really get the utility out of it like that. There is also a difference in some of the newer jam or different brands that have like more variability. Yeah, you can set the start point and the angles. But like that adds more to the price and the complexity again. You know, like it is another, it's another level on top. of this.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to worry about it, of course, because I buy equipment for Massonomics gym and the space, you know, we don't have a, it would actually really mess up a rack for, in my opinion, to put jammer arms into the Massonomics gym. Like, that would be a, yeah, really weird thing to have where people are like, oh, you like to overhead press out of this and stuff. and now you have these jammer arms that I'm never going to use in there.

Taking up space on the rack over here. Taking up space. But it's different in a home gym. I get that a lot more. I'm aware of that. But if I was training primarily in a home gym or in my home gym, it wouldn't be something on my wish list. I mean, I say this.

I'm also, you don't have to point it out, I'm aware of all the things that people show that you can do. Like there's people that they show all these different things. but I'm still asking what do you really use them for? Yeah, that would be, I think. Like, what does it do well? Yeah. That's usually, with any of this home gym equipment stuff that we review,

like that's what I always come back to. Like when we're reviewing the Temple of Gaines machines or anything like that, I'm like, I get that this can do, or what would be the great example, the freak athlete. Yeah, I can do 50 different exercises, but it's like, what does it do well, it does three things well, maybe two things well. Yeah, that's what I want to know. What does it actually do well that you'll really use that's actually useful for you?

Where you don't feel like you're actually making a big compromise or you really feel like you're getting the real deal with it. Right. I mean, to me that is the gauge for all things with home gyms is yes, like you said, what does it do well? Then there's probably one or two things that it's like, yeah, it does okay if you like to do that thing. And then there's going to be like 12 things that it doesn't do well, but are part of the I don't really do that.

Yeah, it's like I get you, you're rigging that up, but it doesn't really do that. And like also nobody's ever going to do that. And part of it's the setup time. If you're in your training day, like in you're doing your first exercise, you can't spend 10 minutes. Like you can.

You don't want to spend 10 minutes re-adjusting something. Because it's 10 minutes, you're not training. And it's like, I don't know, but maybe you have unlimited time, but a lot of us don't. But I think, I guess my takeaway from this is if you do get jammer arms, I believe you have to have the Vendetta adapters or like the PRX Halo arms.

I think you just have to have those. Otherwise you can't adjust those start points, you know? Right. Things like that. And when I look, the Vendetta 180 lever arm adapters, like those are owned by 17 gyms. Yep. And like there, okay, so Brandon who rates the jammer arms that he had is like a two-star product. On the Vendetta thing, he does rated a five-star product.

He says I'm not a fan of Lever Arms. The Vendetta piece has really good ratings, I think, right? Yeah, it has. Like the rating on it is actually five stars. There's only three reviews. So for the number of gyms to the number of reviews, it's a little low. But it says, like Brandon says, I'm not a fan of lever arms. But if you own them, these are a must referencing the Vendetta, lever-arm adapters.

And there's several other people that seem to like them. But they all say the same thing. You need to get these if you have or want lever arms. They take a piece of equipment and make them into basically any machine you could want. And again, they're, you know, it's probably debatable a little bit. You know, I'd ask, okay, well, what's the felt load like at the top of that? Like, come on here. Any machine?

There is presumably a strength curve issue on some of these. things though depending depending on what you're trying to use it for because it is just plate loaded on the end of a lever so like you can get like yes i get that it moves through that range of motion but like at a certain point there is not very much felt low depending on how that arm say the words tanner that is actually an issue he's become the thing he hated you either uh die or you live long enough to see yourself because the villain that talks about felt load. Die the hero.

The talks about the strength curve. I was actually talking about the strength curve. The strength curve villain. There's a strength curve issue there because of the way that that I don't have to explain it because I don't want to. You don't want to be that guy. Oh God, I'm doing it.

Stop me. Someone stop me. Can you think of other home gyms we toured that had Jammer Arms set up. Brandon might have had a one wearing his. I don't think he did.

I think he had moved on from him by then. Okay. So Steve. And Steve really liked his, and I also believe him. Oh, I do too. Yeah. You know,

he's clearly using him and making it work for him without a doubt. That's why I know it can be done. I don't think he'd keep something if he didn't think it was useful. No, no. That's the same.

I know it can be done. We didn't ask. him, but maybe he'll listen to this and leave us a comment of, like, what exercises he likes to do with them. Right. Who else? There's, was there anyone else that had? See, I'm not really sure.

Did, like, Anan have jammer arms? I don't think so. He asked a lot, does, did Darko have jammer arms? I'm just thinking of people that have really crazy rack setups that have, like, every single thing on it. And, see, it's not comparable, but I think most of those people, have vultras. Like they have vultras.

And then all of a sudden it's like, well, I can kind of make a vulture to do most of what I want it to. I don't jammer arm, but I know it's on an exact comparison. Yeah. I mean, I, I, nothing else is coming in mind. Antonio didn't have jammer arms. Did he on his? I don't think he did either. Did he?

Yeah, I don't think so. He had a Smith machine attachment on the front of his, I think, right? Not jammer arms. Yeah, he had a smith machine. machine attachment. I just seemed like there had a Rory I'm sure had jammer arms somewhere. Yeah, he would, yes, he would have for sure. I mean, he makes a product that. Well, right attaches to jammer arms. So he for sure did. Well, that's another thing though is I think if you get jammer arms, you kind of almost have to have Rory's handles just to make

them more, make the jammer arms more versatile and work with you a little more. Otherwise, you really are locked into the, you know, movement pattern only of the jammer arm. And you know, like, luckily Rory does make a really good product, and I think it does solve that problem really well, but it is another piece that you also need to add to your jammer app. Adapter, and you need the Rory handles. Yeah, I'm clicking through

several of the jammer arms just to see what gyms have them, and I'm not running across anything that jumps out as a gym. And it doesn't matter. It's just, I just, we've toured really a huge variety of gyms, and they just don't really, they don't really pop up very much. It doesn't seem like. No, they don't.

Don't. Yeah, Steve's might be the only Jim. Okay. So let us know in the comments. Are we wrong about jammer arms? Is Jim Radar sort of wrong about jammer arms? Yeah, let us know. Is everyone else wrong?

Or is it just you? No, I'm just kidding. Okay. Anything else on jamming? No, we'd be jamming. I hope you like jamming to. Yeah. I think that's everything.

That is the definitive guide on jammer arms. Would you ever get them? If a company wanted you send you their jammer arms for free, would you want to accept them? There'd be a lot of caveats with that. Is it coming with all of the adapters? I mean, if someone just said, here's a set of jammer arms, absolutely no.

I would say no. I'm not even going to go through that process. If people have said, people have offered to send us things that I would want way more than jammer arms. And I've said no to those things. Like within the last week or two, even for that matter. Do you do anything out of the front of your rack? Do you bench out of the front of your rack? I do everything inside my rack.

So you could, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be in the way of anything. You never thought of that. It would not be in the way. No. And you still wouldn't even want them if you could have them for free. No. I mean, I would maybe think about it if it was like a PRX or like a, it's, you know with the Halo arms or if it was like a vendetta one where it was an arms that also had the vendetta thing i might think about it for a minute but would you really want it then though or not no i mean i still don't really want it because that's the thing like i have a wish list and things i want to buy and jam arms have never touched that list of um i mean maybe someday just to change up training maybe there'd be a reason what do you think would what do you'd try with them if you had them that's the thing though is i would at least come up with a list of it that's why i need someone in the comments to say what they actually like to do with them

Yeah. Because I don't like, do incline chest presses. Yeah, there's like there's nothing wrong with that movement. But I would, I prefer to just, like incline benching is one of my favorite movements. Like I actually really like to do that. And so I would just do incline bench,

you know, like that's what. And I'm not going to, I've seen people like set up like leg press things with it. I'm not going to go down that road. Like I'm not going to do that. So then it just feels like it's just a variation of seated chest press. or a seated overhead press,

and I don't, that's just not high on my list of movements. But maybe there's something I'm missing. Maybe there's, maybe there's a movement I'm not thinking of here. Let us know. Yes, let us know. Give us the sales pitch.

Yeah, okay. All right. Other equipment talk. What was like, oh, I've stuff that I, so I got the danglers, that you also have the danglers. I added those to my repertoire.

Well, the reason I've been adding a whole bunch of attachments because I added another five panels of wall control. Yeah. Guess how many panels of wall control I now have on the wall? At mass walls. Oh, you said this. I'm like, in the post, is it like 20 or something? 25.

God, that's a lot of wall control. Yeah, I have 25. I have a small fortune in wall control. And I made the comment. I never thought about this. I was like, well, you could pack these in quite a bit tighter. you're like, yeah, but then when the first person comes and grabs this and knocks everything off the wall, I'm like, actually, yes. In a gym setting, you can't do the home gym thing where everything is like, no, perfectly, you know, tetrists into the right spot.

Like, we see that almost that every gym we go to. They do. And like, it looks really cool. Like, people typically have like three to four panels and they're just like there's not a free square inch on them. Like they have everything fitting. And it looks so cool. But even with wall control, like the hooks never. like are in there perfectly.

There's always some wiggly ones. I know. And someone just goes and carelessly rips the thing. Like they're going to rip 10 pieces off. By someone, it's like literally every single person. I mean, yes.

Because people at their home gym, they like, you grab it and you're aware of the hook. So you're like intentionally grabbing it. So it's not going to knock the hook off and stuff like that. And in a gym, someone says, Hey,

Johnny, you dumbass, whip that trice bar over here. And he says, oh, this one. And then he knocks, five things off.

He's like, no, that one there. And he's like, oh, this one. Wooosh. That's exactly how that goes. I do have, so I added it, like my one wall now I have, I think, what was that, like 14 pieces of wall control all in one, that one section. That's the big section of the attachment wall. And I was able to now, things were getting like multi things on one hook, which is a

real pain in the ass when the thing you want to use is buried under three other things. And also the system totally breaks down then when nothing has a place. Right. And you're like, I can't remember what goes with what? And all the other things aren't getting put back. So then I like, when I got it all put up, I'm like, okay, we've got enough space here. I can start to spread things out of the existing, which I've added a lot of new attachments over the last couple months.

So I got a lot of attachments. And I'm like, okay, good, I can spread these out. and it is a dilemma because I have a big supply of hooks because I got a bunch of hooks with this one. I kind of know the ones I like, so I got a bunch of the different ones I like. But it is really tricky when you have that big of a canvas deciding. Like when you have one piece of wall control,

you just got to make it work. Yeah. When you have an endless sea of it, it's like, I don't know. Where should what? I don't even know where to start. Like I don't. And that there is a. I guess what it's paralysis by analysis.

I get a little bit of that. And I'm like, I don't know. I guess I'll just start putting anything anywhere because there really is no rhyme or reason. And I'll just start and see where it goes. And that's the system. I'm like, I need a professional organizer to come in and tell me like how that should be on the wall control. Something do some wall control feng shui for you. Right.

Right. But then like I get done and I'm like, okay, I'm happy with this. Like everything has its own spot and it's pretty well defined. And like I put all the spare hooks somewhere else. So there's not just like a billion hook choices where in my mind I'm like, okay, the way it is now, every piece has its own hook. And there's no extra hooks. So you take one off. So if you pull something off, it has to go.

It almost has to go back where it was. Almost is the key word there. Almost. And that was Sunday. Today was Wednesday. So, and I was there on Monday. So just from Monday to Wednesday, like that was my first test run. Everything was all over the place.

Wait, wait. Like on the wall or like on the floor you're saying? Not on the floor. Like hooks were moved. It was like a full shuffle head just to get on. There was things on multiple things on one hook again. And I'm like, how? But like, why?

In the first place. I'm like, someone took. it off of its own individual hook, used it, and then was like, I don't know. I don't know where, like, to me, I'm like, I would know it came from that one and then it's empty like I would put it there. Uh-huh.

And it was just stuff all over the place. Yeah, this is what happens. Actually, I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt here. You go and there's a D handle on there and you go over, or, yeah, there's a D handle on there. You go, wait a minute. That's not what I want. I want this tricep push down thing.

So you go grab it and then you take the D handle off. You're like, oh, crap, what hook does this go on? And then you put it on the wrong one for some reason because you just took it off three seconds ago and you forgot. And then that just repeats 10, you know, 10, 20, 30 times a day every day. It's like the telephone game. Yeah. Yeah. Except you're playing with yourself.

So I don't know what the system is to ever actually. I don't know. Like, I actually don't know that there is a system. No, there is. There is. Yeah. You do the thing that they do in certain, you know, I've seen, you know, I've seen this in like a factory setting, manufacturing setting, or maybe some people might do it at their

tool, their workbench at home. Like trace around it. You put everything up there and you paint the wall so that the silhouette of what goes in the right spot is there. That's the only way. I mean, it still doesn't guarantee it's done, but that's the only way that's like, oh, you know, we're playing operation and it's not lining up like what's going on here. Yes.

It would probably help. They actually do make some wall control panels that are even like. like that for like tools. Uh-huh. You know, I think I've seen those before, but. Yeah. So I'm not bitching about it because it just is the, and I'm kind of like, no, I don't think there's a way to fix this system.

I don't think it's just a broken, broken system. A lot of people probably don't realize that there is any thought to it. It's just like, oh, there's a wall with spaces for things. Right, right. But it was interesting to me because I'm like, oh, I think, I think I got something here because everything's on its own hook. And it's all spread out enough that nothing's fighting for a spot. like, and I'm like that, I think that'll really help.

And I came back, I'm like, didn't help at all, did it? Did it? Did not help at all. I also got rid of, had gotten rid of like some of the bent stuff that didn't work very well anymore. And I just, I felt like I got done. I'm like, yep, this is the work. This is the system that's going to work. Yeah, you have a pretty primo attachment wall over there now all of a sudden. Yeah.

So the other attachment that just came in today, I haven't even opened it, is the Dinepic. something. That double pull, yeah. I think Dyneptic is the brand right?

It is. Dyneptic spiral strength duly. Yep, there you go. Dynamic sports. I got that one today. I was actually just

real use case of Jim Radar. That one's owned by quite a few gyms. Wow, 37 gyms have that. What I actually did is I went to the attachments category and just sorted by most owned and just went down the list

of what do I have and what don't I have. And if I don't have it, is it identical to a different version that I already have? Right. Or does it make sense in the math? Like the UDA, no doubt, is really nice. No, I can't get that. It doesn't make a ton of sense of massonomics and you have dedicated. We have a dedicated dip station, first of all.

So, I mean, if you go by the actual attachments, though, that make any sense, rotating V grip from Rogue, got it. Eclipse grips from Porter, got it. Wait, do you have the long ab strap, sweat ink? I don't even know for sure. I assume I do. I have so many piles of sputting straps. That is the tricky thing with them is you do have a lot of their stuff.

I'm not sure. I think so, but I don't know for sure. That thing is really good. That is good. I use it all the time. Track fitness handles. So I've got the track fitness handles and I've got various D handles.

So I'm like, do I have any reason to buy like these rogue or rep D handles? I mean, a real enthusiast would say, yes, you do. I guess. Not just a poser enthusiast. Right.

The knockoff meg grips, I've got the real Meg grips. You know, I've looked like the rogue lap bar or like the rep one or whatever. I've got like four different ones. I know. Is there anything to do?

It's like, you can get the stainless rogue lap bar, but it's kind of like you're just spending money on jewelry at that point is what it turns into. And Darko's bars, the shorty, longie, all those. The trouble I have with those at Massonomics gym is you also have to attach things to those. And that gets in, I mean, I just expressed my concerns of just the more basic idea on the attachment wall.

If you also go where you're like, okay, I got to use this thing and attach some other attachments to it. Yeah. You know, you don't have any of the prime or knockoff rotate style handles. I've thought about ordering the CAS grip handles and the rotate handles. But actually what Jim Radar taught me, I read, I've read most of the reviews on these attachments too. And the knockoff rotate handles from Amazon are for all intents and purposes

just as good and considerably cheaper. Yeah. But I thought maybe I would split the difference and buy the CAS handles from Prime and then buy the knockoff Amazon rotate handles. handles. Yeah, I could see that. But I also saw a lot of people on the CAZ handles. A lot of reviews were like,

these are kind of a gimmick. They don't really, because I'm actually not sure what those are good for. But a lot of people have them. I know. That's what made me curious. I'm not saying that they're, and by that I'm not saying that they're not good for anything.

No, I know. I'm just saying I'm not sure what they are good for. Yeah. I was going to buy those Kinsui Swissies. Yeah. For the wall, too. Those are probably pretty cheap too, I bet. Yep.

I'm trying to go through the list and just see if there's anything to me that's really jumping out as like ones that I know you don't have. Then you get into like rep has a bunch of the rep clever. Yeah. You know, or like Rogue has it. It's the CG1C. Like these multi-grip parallel grip ones. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know.

They're just so big. on wheelie. I thought about getting the dark Odenade handles and also Rory's Rory's out of the ones right now. I was looking at the megalith handles or the holy handles. What is it?

What was I looking at? I signed up for his back in stock on on, I think it must have been the it was the megalith handles. Well, no, like basically the megalith open d handle. Oh. That's what I'm looking at. Yeah. because that's what I want as like basically just a cable attachment for on the wall.

Yeah, I'm pretty far into the gym radar list here of best attachments. And I'm not seeing much that you don't have or have some other, you know, just version of it, you know. Yeah. Might get those dark Odenade ones. And then the Rory Megaleth handles. But I'm kind of almost, I thought this has been my project to really up the, the, attachment game and I'm like, yeah, I kind of got a lot of these now. There's not, not too much to add to it.

Because you also added in the eclipse grips not too long ago. Yep. I've got the belt fed strap. Yep. And then you just get into things that are a lot similar. Like, you know, the Euclips has some stuff, but I'm like, well, I have versions of that from other brands. Yeah, because you got the rogue triset pushdown bar or whatever they call that. And once you have that version, it's like, well,

Do you really need another V-style handle? Like, probably not. Right. But that's what I've been getting for the gym. That's been my gym equipment update stuff that I had going on. Okay. I'm excited to check those out the next time I'm in there. Maybe we'll make a video about it.

We could. We're poised to be able to at a certain point. Everyone, every time I post something about wall control too, because it goes back to the Brian Coppulman gym tour. everyone says, still waiting for that definitive wall control. And part of that,

I'm like, gosh, I still have a much struggle to make that video because I still I'm continually struggling to decide what I like, like how I actually do like to use it.

You might have a better idea because you do have a more specific. Yeah, let's have the guy that owns 25 panels of wall control tell you how to do it. I don't know, buy so much that you

get overwhelmed. He's solving the problem. come through brute force here. He's just throwing more wall control panels at it. Yeah. What do we want to do? Credit card fees, sports and books, or bench press pause. You pick it.

You pick it. I can go any of those routes. Let's do, uh, let's, okay, we're talking kind of lifting. Let's go bench press pause right now, actually. I want to know what this is about. Just my thought. is we've brought i mean over 528 episodes this has probably been talked about i probably just got this inspiration from just remembering something we talked about over the last 10 years but

just thinking like we know how the squats judged in a powerlifting meet we know how deadlifts is judged in a powerlifting meat does there need to why is there does there need to be a pause on the bench press couldn't you just go down and touch your chest and come back up that's what the squat is. And if you don't do it right, then you get red lights. Yeah. Like, why does it have to be a like, what, would it be different than if it was a pause squat? I'm not really sure. There's probably there's like an actual reasoning here. I mean, I do understand your logic totally. Um, I get, and I guess what I come down to to refute my own point is in a squat, you're not setting the bar down against something. Like you, you, you, people, game.

start to game it to like launch it off of right they get really because i can see how at a certain point if all right someone has well even 400 pounds on there and they're like launching it off their chest it does actually start to become a safety concern where it's like right now you can rebound a 500 pound squad as hard as you think you can right i mean if you go crazy you're just going to go straight to the floor you know like it's um but yeah i mean i i i'm assuming it's probably from a safety standpoint yeah so it's just like people not bastardizing you know that's just like people not bastardizing the lift too hard. You know, where you get like the NFL combine version where it's just like this

trampoline effect. But it's hard to do that with like really heavy weights too though, you know? Right. Right. Like a max. And I'm also like, well, can't, I might be, I'm not really sure. I'm not positive. I'm not taking a hard stance on this.

It's just something I wanted to, it's a thought experiment. And I'm like, maybe ultimately the pause just still does make the most sense. But I'm just like, isn't there a way to judge it without a pause? that still makes it that if you do something egregious like that, it's like, well, that's red lights. I know you have to have like specific rules. Yeah, because like the squad is just a start. And well, actually, even some federations don't even have a start command, right? You just go.

And then at the end, they just tell me if you did it. It's like, was it good or not. Yeah. It's like, do we agree that that was a good lift or not? Yeah. It's interesting to think about if it was starting today would, would that just be the approach of like, nope, you do it. And then at the end, you know, we'll tell you if you did it right or not.

Right. Which I don't think that's a, It can't be so arbitrary, though, that people are like, because then it's like, nope, that wasn't any good. And you're like, well, why? And it's like, well, it just looked dumb the way you did that. Yeah. And you're like, well, I need to know what I did. But I also feel like, does it pass the eye test or not?

Right. Usually you know. Well, I mean, the squat and the deadlift are both that way, though, is. Right. I know. The squat, you do get a start command typically. But then you're just also, I mean, you just do the thing. And they'll tell you like to, hey, you're done.

And then they'll tell you if you did it. right or not. And then deadlift, you just go out and do it. And then they say, all right, you're done. And then we'll decide if you did it right after. Well, even in squad, if you get start and rack, couldn't that be the bench press? No, I know. That's what I'm saying.

But even, isn't there feds that also don't do a start command on bench? You just go at your own thing. That might be true. That could be, I'm not sure. Because also it's sort of funny, the fact that a, that you need to start command. I get it because some people start to cheat the bar down too much. Right. You never out of like, it'll actually lockout.

It does go to the thing. It was like, well, then do that. And we're going to give you red lights if you do it that way. Yeah. Like then, like, we're not going to tell you to start. We're not going to dictate to you when you're locked out. You do what you think is locked out and do the rep. And then if it's not, we're going to give you red lights.

Yeah, you got red lights. You get two more chances to figure this out. Right, right. I don't hate the idea. I don't think it's terrible. Yeah. But I don't think that would be. make sense. But it's just like, why is the, why is the tested event? Because for a lot of people,

it reduces the amount of weight they can lift when you, well, yeah, it does for sure. Yeah. It'd be like, if the, the squat event was a pause squat, you'd be like, well, why is that what we're testing? Like, I'd be like, why are we testing my pause? Because typically that's not, you know, and to that point, also, that's not typically how people perform the lift in a gym either. You know, it is usually a touch and go. Right. I mean, that's how I do all of mine. I'm not a bed check where it by any means, but I do touch and go up until like the last six weeks of training and then I really start dialing in the, the pauses. And I just accept that. Well, my lifts is just going to go down. Well, like the way you bench when you do touch and go, I mean, it's, it's a very light touch.

But those are perfectly past, you know, like if I were making up this arbitrary system, I'd be like, yes, those count. Yeah. Like, of course they count. You know, like, I don't, I don't know what the exact explanation or how the rules of that would be, but I'm like, yes, those count. I know that, I know that those are good. I know. Now, the only excuse I can make for it is that it's a safety thing when people start dive bombing it off their chest. Yeah. Especially with a lot of weight. That's the only like real good reason I can give for why you need to do that. Otherwise, it is just seem like arbitrary rules to make the lift harder. Right. And I do think, I'm, I'm not sure because I will say maybe it would make it harder to judge to have like

concrete rules that you can judge. But it goes back to the thing of like, why does there even need to be a pause though? Right. You know, like why can't I just be touch and go? But I just wonder, maybe it is easier to judge with a pause

because then it's like, well, you didn't pause. I know that's no good. Whereas a pause isn't required, but you're saying, well, you can't do anything crazy with it.

Well, but what are you saying exactly? Well, I don't think you could have that rule, though, like, of like you can't do anything crazy. Like, because that's just too subjective.

But what would the rule be? what I'm saying. I mean, the rule is the rule is go down, you know, it has to touch your chest, and then you have to wait for a rack command. And in the whole process, your butt has to stay on the bench. You know, your feet have to stay on the ground to the extent that they need to and then your head, depending on the Federation. And what if someone, but if people do a thing where, you know, like, because you just touch it and go,

but if they do the thing where it's like the absolute dive bomb that like crushes their chest and they keep the back on. heave thing too. Right, right. Like then I'm just saying it might get up to the judge. Now that we're talking through it, it also does stop the heave thing to a certain extent.

I mean, some people do the heave. I forget about that because that's so not how most people typically lift, but yeah, some people do it where they sink it and then they bring their chest and like it turns into kind of a weird push press sort of thing.

Right. Yeah, yeah, it does. It's almost like a slightly different movement. That's actually, it probably is, The rule probably isn't rooted in say it's probably based off of the, the, stopping the heave to, you know, stop the momentum from that.

Because some people, you see that even the gym, they just get it the whole thing down that it's like, oh, you're, you kind of have like this springboard effect that you're only doing the second half of the lift. Right.

Yeah. I mean, they're getting like many, many inches out of like, right. Bringing the bar up with the, with the push of their abdomen at the same time. Right.

Yeah, that's got to be where that comes from. And that's where, it gets really hard to police that part of it. Right, right. And that's what I wonder if it's just like, you need the pause because it's too hard to. But there again,

I'm like, can't there be a rule where I'm like, nah, you did that dumb? That's not how Bench is supposed to look. But that's how pausing goes, though, because some people pause it and sink it. And then they do it and they're like, well, you heaved the, I mean, I think they actually call it, you heaved it.

Like, yeah, yeah. And so it's no good. So it could be the same thing. Like, well, no, you were heaving the bar. Like, yeah, couldn't that be the rule that it's like you could, you could judge that on a touch and go still. I mean, it's a little subjective. Every bit of judging and all the power lifting,

it's a little subjective. Right, right. I feel like there could be rules to do it that way. Yeah, I could see it. I keep thinking, I keep going back and forth on this. That's why I'm kind of go back and forth on it too. I'm not actually sure. But it just makes you wonder why does that lift need to be paused

and the squat does not need to be, like, I think it's tradition. Like, it's got to be tradition at this point. Because if you were to say tomorrow that, like, nope, in our federation, all the squats are pause squats. That's insane. Like people would be like, that's insane. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

But on bench, no, that's normal. But maybe comparing a pause, like what I'm doing, maybe comparing a pause squat to a pause bench isn't fair. I don't know why. To me, it makes a lot of sense to compare them, but maybe that's not a fair comparison. So maybe that's not apples to apples. Or maybe it's like in my mind, it's like at least apples to pears, but maybe it's more apples to oranges in someone else's mind.

Well, it depends on if you think the pause squat is the pause bench of the lower body or not. You know, it depends on if you accept that as being equal. If you accept that as a given. I mean, it is. You would say yes, wouldn't you? Yeah. Is the paws squat, the paws bench of the lower body? Boy, it sure seems like it should be.

The pause deadlift is not an equal comparison to those two. You're pausing in half, you know, what people consider a pause deadlift is pausing halfway. Typically right around your knee. Like that's terrible. Right. But in a pause squad or a pause bench, you're pausing at the very bottom. I don't know, man. The big difference is that your body is involved in stopping and holding the one.

Like literally, I'm. well, I mean, also is with the squat too. It is, but it's always in that same contact point from the top to the bottom, whereas in the bench, like you are lowering it onto your body. Yeah. I don't know that it's necessarily different, but there's like a different element there.

We're in the squat that it's always on that position in your body. Like at the bottom, it's not more in contact with your body. Well, when you're these really big lifters, though, you do have, you got belly, touch. touching thighs, touching calves, touching hamis. Your calves and your hamstrings. There's a reason why these guys that squat insane amounts of weight are enormous and it's because everything's binding up at the bottom.

There's nowhere for it to go but up. That's true. Yeah, that's why the 1,000 pounds squatters look the way that they do. Something to debate. Another thing for people to debate in the comments. Is it an insane idea to say that the bench press doesn't, why does it need to be? paused in powerlifting.

I don't actually think it's insane. I don't think it is. Especially given that's how 99% of people train the lift is not pausing it. Right. Not even, I mean, that's just how 99% of people perform the lift. It would be like if you're doing a training block and you're going to do pause squats,

that's not abnormal. People do that. But you're for sure like there's a different, like a very set reason you're doing that. Or like, that's a different lift. like literally in your log book or whatever you're like yep i'm doing pause squats because i'm trying to work on my whatever you know my out of the whole strength or whatever the the greater thing with

this too is and it's a thing at me it's is people talk about how the pauses are in bench that day because some refs give you a long pause some rafts give you a really quick one and right that's just the human element of it all right where a pause doesn't necessarily mean a pause everywhere right I guess you're maybe trading the pause subjectivity for what's allowed as far as a heaver about subjectivity on a touch and go. Yeah. I guess. Because people would be working that. Well, yeah, I mean, that is the game.

But that's also the game with everything. You take it as close as you can to hitting depth on squat. You know, you don't want to have the biggest squat you can load up and then barely excessively. Like, that's not to your advantage. No. Same thing with deadlift. Like, you know, you're not trying to just increase the range of motion as much as you

possibly can by touching your feet. I, you know, the more we talk about it, I feel like you could set up a system of judging that it would be predictable by 90% of the audience if a lift is going to get green or or get white lights or red lights. 90% of the people could typically agree on 90% of the lifts in a touch and go scenario of if it should count or not. But you got those people on the fringe that are pushing the limits, you know? Yeah, that's what that's...

But it's not a whole lot different than ramping in a deadlift either, though. Right, right. Food for thought. I have to think about that one some more. Okay. What do we want to hit on next? Anything else or nothing else? Um, one more thing.

I can't, oh, I think I put sports and books in there last week because I was going to talk Timberwolves. But we sort of did with when Grant was on. Yeah, we did. Not looking great for them at the moment. Oh, game, uh, five was a rough one. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't watch much of that one. Not good.

Game four, all they won was slightly rough as, I know towards the end there. I was watching to thinking like this. doesn't give me confidence. I actually shook my confidence. I don't like it when NBA players can't inbound the ball and then when they do, they also can't dribble it up the court. My God, this is like watching

my sixth graders get pressed for the first time of the season, and you're like, we're turning the ball over for sure. You can predict what's going to happen before it even happens. And it's the same way, I'm like, there's no way they're not turning the ball over, and they only didn't by pure luck.

Oh, the one that bounced off his leg. Yeah. Like absolute luck. Where you can just tell it's going to get the ball turned on. Don't expect to see that at the NBA level. It's very uncommon, very uncommon when you see it there. You were just absolutely nervous the whole time that they were going to turn the ball over because they were going to turn the ball over.

Yeah, they might just be outmatched. The spurs are pretty deep and pretty talented. So I thought that they were going to win that the Timberwolves are going to win the series. now it would really take, I don't know, I'm not sure, it's probably not possible. It'd be tough. Based on what I've seen. Yeah, it'd be tough.

But they kind of did this against the Nuggets. Was it last year or two years ago? Weren't they down like one three or something? They came back. Like they won the last two to win it or something. Yeah, everyone's always a prisoner of the moment in sports too. The last thing you see is like, and that is the way it goes. Like the Timberwolves could come out and win by 25.

It's like when they won the first game and you go, oh, look at how like Anthony Edwards had 45 points they can't stop them yeah well it's the first game didn't they win the first game by like yeah 20 or something everyone's like yeah yeah this is it and then they got spanked the next two so that is kind of the way that that goes as well yeah so that's sports uh i don't have much to report on the books part um i still am slowly working my way through the martian i just haven't been reading much lately but uh i'm getting there i'm getting towards i've been absolutely terrible even in my audiobooks i actually come to a complete screeching grinding halt.

So I need to be illiterate over there. That's kind of what it's feeling like. I just forgot how to read actually. I periodically think about it that I'm like, I need to get back on it and I'm like, I'm not sure when. Yeah, I think part of my problem is I don't love the Martian. Like it's good.

Like it is a good book, but I just, I think I said this. I felt like I kind of have sort of done this story to a certain extent with Project Hail Mary. So I'm not like super jacked for it. So I'm not making the time for it like I was with some of the previous books.

Others. Yeah. Yeah. It's the way that that goes. It's like trying to read, uh, oh, Atlas Shrug. There you go.

I'm like, yeah, what the hell was that called? Yeah. Just weren't super jazzed for it, huh? I'm like 600 pages into that book too. You actually are?

Oh, yeah, but that's only like a third of the book or, oh, I didn't even know you were that far, though. Yeah, I'm 500 and some pages. Oh, okay. I've read a ton of the story. Yeah. But it's not.

Like, and a percentage of it, I'm like 25 to 33% done. Damn, okay. I didn't realize you were that. I just thought you got like 100 pages in and that was kind of it. No, I've read a ton of it. Oh, wow. I mean, to me, like for me, reading 600 pages of book is a lot. That is a lot.

But there's just so much of it. The gift that keeps on giving. Books don't need to be that long. That's my advice. Here's a tip. Wrap it up, buddy. Yeah. Here's my advice for writers.

You don't need to make books that long. Here's a review. Do less. Yes. All right. So that's sports and books. Did you need a little, do we need a little juggernaut AI? Sorry, still on the juggernaut AI?

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I wasn't eating enough. It was just, it wasn't even like I was eating junk food or anything. It was just I purely wasn't consuming enough calories and I was starting to lose weight. So that's where for a person like me, that is actually where Macrofactor is helpful. Is it make sure that I'm eating enough. Otherwise, by default you wouldn't eat. Yeah, my default state is to just not eat that much. And so, yeah, it helps me keep the right calories in to perform at a,

more acceptable level. So what are you eating now? Do you think that you weren't eating then that makes up the 300 calorie difference? Part of it was... Or is there like specific couple things you eat to make the difference? Well, part of it was so I was just getting like lazy with breakfast where I would just not eat enough for breakfast. Like I just, I still just get so tired of eggs. Like I know you don't ever.

True. But I just... Like, I got to just routinely cycle out the style of eggs I'm eating. And so, like, after a while, I'm like, God, I just, this week, I'm just so sick of eggs. And so all of a sudden, I don't eat eggs five days of the week. And also it's like, well, when things are going good, okay, when things are going good for me, my breakfast is three eggs, a Costco bagel, typically have some cheese on those eggs, little hot sauce on those eggs, a Greek yogurt, a fair life protein thing in the morning. and then I might also add in a banana or something like that.

And that's a pretty good breakfast for me. But when I'm like, nope, I'm out of it, it's like, no, I might do no eggs. Also, I might do no bagel. And all of a sudden it's like, well, I kind of had a yogurt in like a fair life. So you had like 350 calories. Yeah. And then like, oh, because my kids are eating toast. Maybe I made some toast and threw some peanut butter on it or something.

But that's not quite enough. So like that's the first one. And then later on in the day, the other one that I get, guilty of is really lowering the rice levels. So I might be like, uh, yeah, for lunch, I'll do like, let's just say five ounces of some type of protein. Yeah. And then like it's either just no rice or maybe like four or five ounces of rice, which

just starts to be, I just start to be really, really low on carbs. Like that's typically where I start getting in trouble is I'm low on carbs. And like if I am really low on calories at the end of the day, I'll see that. And the easiest way to make that up is like with a big peanut butter sandwich. Like you can really pack on the carbs. there, but when you get to the point when it's like, oh, yep, I'm really low on carbs, or I'm really low on calories, and all of a sudden I need a big

peanut butter sandwich, and let's eat some cashew, like I'm just eating fatty, like it's not necessarily bad fats, but I'm just like having to pile in some fats to just get some calories at the end of the day. And so then I'm just really low on carbs, and then typically a little low on protein, and it's not ideal.

So just being more intentional with protein sources and getting some more carbs in. and macro factor code massonomics can help you get there yeah what does code massanomics get you like a few weeks for yeah get you an extra week free macro factor is just in just almost ridiculously cheap to begin well isn't like even when you buy a year isn't like five or six dollars a month something like that yeah i think so it might be like six bucks a month because it ends up being like 72 bucks a year or something

which i do think is like a total value play If you're, I actually think about this now, though, I could not imagine training like I do now or how I ever have trained when I'm trying to make a serious run at gaining some strength and not having, like, my calories dialed in. Like I think about, man, in my early 20s, just, it was just the game of like, just eat as much as you can. And I think, oh, if I actually had macro factor working in my favor and I ate good,

I think I could have got actually even stronger at the time because no doubt. my diet was just insanely high in fat, a little lower in protein than it should have been. And yeah, it would have been, it's interesting to think about if I had that optimized like I do now, what the results may have been. Yeah, I was looking at mine, it's actually kind of funny how much stuff macro factor does

that I never look at or use whatsoever. I just kind of like very much in my few little things that I use. I mean, I just use it for the most basic thing to track my mac, to track my macros for the day and like what that's doing. for my trend. One thing I'm not, like if you look at my history of food logging, it's almost rock solid. The only time I basically don't is it when we're gone on our trips. Those trips. And that's other than that, I always log. My way in though, sometimes I get late. Because if I don't weigh in in the morning at the same time on the same. Oh yeah. It's not going to happen.

And I also don't think there's any point to it because I'm going to be like, if I'm not weighing in at the same time each day, what you need to do. Yep. And preferably on the same scale, I just feel like it's kind of waste. It's not all that useful data if I'm then weighing in at noon. So I usually get weighed in like a little over half the days

because I just kind of forget to do that. Yeah, I'm pretty good with weigh-ins. For me, it's, I'm just looking, I've never actually looked at this. I'm looking through my history. Where it falls off is trips. And then also like, you know, we leave, it's not unusual for us to leave town.

on weekends a few times a month. And so like obviously what I'm got, I'm not bringing a scale with me or anything. Right. And so yeah, like usually weekends get missed or we might sleep in a little bit one day just slightly and all of a sudden I'm out of the routine and I'll forget. But I'm usually pretty good about weighing in.

Like it looks like I'm typically getting about 25 days a month where I'm weighing in. Yep. Macro factor. Couldn't live without it. So what's your targeted macros then for a day? Uh, protein 219, fat 91 carbs 260 for about 2,700-ish calories. Yep. 2750.

Yeah, what's yours at right now? 225 protein, 126 fat, and 445 carbs. God, those carbs, 445.4.5. Like, I just saying it's not an exaggeration. Getting to 260 carbs is a battle for me. 400 would just be like nap Macrofactor you win I can't do this

I'm out yeah 260 would be really I mean obviously it's just different it's what you're used to and stuff but 260 would be really really easy for me because the hardest thing for me is too to get my car actually what today is a perfect example what my day looks like fat my goal is 126

I almost always nail that I'm at 128 today but that's a battle for me that's the one I would like to overeat if at all possible. Oh, that's the easiest one. I haven't dialed in because I know what, what wants me to be doing.

But then protein, you know, I'm at 225. I'm actually, like today I'm at 283. Like I finish every day of protein like 250 to 300. That's right. I'm 240 on mine. I'm never below 250. And then carbs today is 381. So like my carbs number is always low and my protein's always high.

But like I'm usually close to 400 on. carbs on the low end, but like to get to 4.45 is a lot of rice. Like I eat what I would consider to be a lot of rice. Yeah, you tell me like typically in a, like typically like at a luncher to get like 10 ounces. Every meal I have 450 calories of rice. Yeah. Like I don't know, I equate it to calories. I can't remember what the mackerel breakdown is.

Yeah, I thought you're saying it's like 10 to 12 ounces typically of rice. It's 90 grams of carbs. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot. And I have that, like, three times a day. You know, so I get, like, 1,300 calories of rice each day. And I can't eat that much more than that. I mean, I could.

Like, you could do anything and, like, it wouldn't be, you know, I could. It becomes not even, like, meals. Then I'm just, like, eating a pile of rice. Come get your rice. Time for your rice feeding. And I could do. I mean, I know the point is macros and stuff,

but I still just from, it's like I was having a conversation with Ross and the gym the day about tracking. Does he use macro factor? He does something a little bit different, but he does track. And like both of us from when we started lifting, you know, 20 years ago when we got serious about it,

we did together. And it was so ingrained to us. I mean, actually, honestly what we did when we started we under ate but ate just protein. Like our macros would have been probably 300 protein every day. And then like almost nothing else. Because it was just like all we understood was you had to eat protein. And like that's never really changed in my life ever.

Like it's like that's what I knew originally. And it's like the bro thing of knowing that forever that I'm like, well, no, I just, I have to eat protein. It's just what I do. It's like, I need protein. It has to be protein. It's always protein. So that's why, like, getting to the protein number,

it's probably the challenge for some people that aren't used to that. But I'm like, I could, if I would, could easily throw in a couple shakes. Oh, and I could be at like four. I know. I could be at 400 protein a day without even trying hard, you know, like if, if someone's, if there was a reason to do that, I could do that at the snap of a finger because I'm so used to that. But then it's like the, it was also like, oh, no, we don't really eat carbs because that's what makes you fat. It's kind of what the bro perception was of the thing we did.

So I kind of like, that's hard to, that sticks with me forever, basically is that background thought. Just pound in 400 grams a day. Oh, and that's what I was going to say. I'm like, I could eat stuff besides rice too. Yeah. but I'm like, I'm also not trying to eat shit. Like, I don't eat much sugary stuff. I eat fruit, which has a lot of sugar in it,

but I don't eat like candy and shit and cake and stuff. Rice isn't overly filling either, though, you know, for the amount you got to consume because, right. Like, I don't know. Potatoes are way, it would be, it's way, I like potatoes too, but it's way harder for me to put that amount down. You'd have to eat so many potatoes to.

They're like, I have stopped liking, the taste of them after a certain point, too, where I'm like, nah. Because it's plain potatoes. Like, you got to, all of a sudden, like, well, no, if I want this to be good, I have to put, like, butter on it and salt. And now it's like not, I can't do. I can't cover it. It's not hitting the things.

Right. Yeah. Then, like, bread, even they're like, God, you can eat a lot of bread. Yeah. And I could eat. I can eat a lot of bread and I really like it too. But I'm also like, I'm not sure that my goal is to eat 440 calories of bread. Maybe it should be your goal.

Right. I'm like, because I could. could do that. That would be easy for me. I could eat toe. Like, if I didn't care about what my lifting, if I didn't care about my diet in terms of lifting, I could probably eat like 2,500 calories of toast a day. And like, I would be fine with that. Like, I don't really care. Like, I could probably maintain a pretty healthy weight, but I'm like, the weight is one thing, but also like, is it healthy to eat? Like, do I want just 400 calories of carbs all from bread? and I feel like I don't know exactly why

because I don't know the real reason but I feel like I don't. Bread is a very broad category of product though. Like there's a lot that is technically bread, but you know, there's products that are better than others in that, in that true. But if you're literally just going,

but it also goes down to, is it just macros? Is that all that mattered? Because you could just eat like the cheapest plain white. Well, bread. Yeah, I mean, and this is where I'm no nutritionists,

but, you know, there's the, you know, the whole grains versus your other grains and the feeling of fullness and energy and all that other stuff

that comes with it. And it's, yeah, I don't know. I don't get that deep into it. I just hit the, no, hit the numbers best I can.

I don't even look at what it does, like, I don't even really look at my micronutrients and as far as that goes. I just try to eat as much fruit and vegetables as I can possibly do. do. And that's why you're slowly going to be obese because you eat too many fruit and vegetables. There's also no calories. I used to think, you know, I know there's, I always knew

there's no calories in vegetables. You have to eat so many vegetables for it to add up to anything. Like you'll get sick to your stomach from vegetables before it adds up to any amount of calories. And I thought, I always was like, well, fruit has sugar. Like, that's quite a bit more calories. And I'm still like, for as many calories I eat a day, I eat a ton of fruit. I could eat. Like, you just get sick to your stomach from it before it, like, made any difference. I'm like, how many apples are a human going to eat? You're like, these aren't my 12th apple of the day. Well, maybe that's too many, but.

But even, like, apples or I like all of those, I eat them all the time and they don't add up to that many calories. Like, you need a shitload of a banana is like 120 calories. And, like, what are you going to do? You eat five of those in the day? Yeah. Feed this bundle of bananas every morning before I start my day. Okay. Macrofactor and is, is that what did you say it is?

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