Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 531: The Seated Exercise Tier List

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

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Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. What's up, everyone? We're back in the saddle for episode 531 of the Massonomics podcast. That is correct. That is correct. The Lifting Podcasts About Nothing We're recorded live from the corners of the Dakota's episode 31 of season two.

My name is Tanner and my name is Tommy. Coming off a couple Q&A episodes, enough of that. Enough of you guys' questions. You guys can all just take your questions and stuff them in a sack for as much as we're concerned about your questions at this point. This week, we're getting to the good stuff. We're going back to that's right. It's a tier list time.

Oh, hell yeah. Is that what we're doing, a tier list? I think so. That's your changing it up on me. No, I think we're doing a tier list. We're going to do the tier list of seated exercises in the gym. The world's been demanding it, and we're not going to deny them the pleasure of the seated tier list. Seated exercise tier list.

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But yes, they will be coming and setting up a booth for the Lift Hardly Bezzie Classic again. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Ooh, got a lot of good things going on this week. The supporting member gift has shipped. All of them have gone out every single one. Exceeded our timeline on that.

I think last week I had said, I hope, by the middle of June. Yeah. It all be out and mailed all of them out this week Monday. They all went to the United States Postal Service. A whole bunch of letters. So that means sometime between now and in the next year, you may or may not get it. I saw the first one arrive today.

Really? I got a, well, from the Phillips's. Oh, okay. So it made it five miles away. But I think the way that it works is that went all the way to Huron and then back here. So if they could do that, I would think Sue Fals people should be in line to be getting at any,

okay. So they're showing up. Yeah, so they are showing. showing up, I would guess, tomorrow we'll see a few people that get it. And then the day after that, so Friday, I bet a lot of people will have them on their hands on Friday. I'm excited. I'm excited for everyone. Yeah, we can't reveal at all yet what it is.

It's still a surprise, even all the people listening along live. By the time this recording comes out, this episode's live, a lot of people will know what it is, but all the live listeners don't actually know what it is yet. I think only a couple of people know what it is. They're going to be excited. It's a good one. Yeah. So thank you to everyone that signed up to become a supporting member to get in on that.

And everyone that's been a supporting member for a long time. What should we talk about next? God, we got just a lot of random stuff in here. Yeah. Okay, I want to ask. What's, well, actually, these are almost all yours. So I actually don't even know where to start. None of them are important.

Okay. Just let it be known, everyone. Nothing we're about to talk about. Unlike our normal show where everything's very important. Nothing is important right now. None of these are urgently important. I would say do you have a bit of an announcement to make, although it's pretty cryptic at this point in time still.

There is a secret barbell that we are, I'm just trying to decide what the correct phrasing of this are that we help develop design, and we're going to, we're not selling this. We're just spearheading the effort behind it. We're spearheading the effort behind it. We're the inspiration behind it, and it is going to be very extremely limited. And we can't say yet what it is. But you'll see more on that soon.

It's a very special barbell also. It's very cool. Yeah. Several supporting members are actually going to potentially get their hands on it. And it is going to be something that's sort of released to the public to be able to buy, kind of. But it's very odd. With as little as we can tell you now, it's hard to explain, but it'll make a lot more sense in about a month from now or so, I think. In the coming weeks. Yeah.

So more to come on the secret massonomics adjacent barbell. All right. Well, now that you're talking equipment, you got me, you got me interested. I saw you add just, I mean, you actually have been adding a lot of little things to the gym lately. It seems like every week you got some little new thing popping in over there. I definitely do. One of them I saw you add, it's something that I would have just never even thought about. but then I feel like you had some pretty good feedback on it but we haven't talked about it

you have these kensui swissies first where did the or did the thought even come from to get these things and then what are they like uh the thought came from jim radar did you see someone else had them i saw other people have them and then i was just looking through the most owned attachments and uh they pop up in there not too far down the list and yeah i just randomly seeming seeing a bunch of people that have these. And I don't know that I'd ever paid attention to them prior to Jim Radar. And to be clear here, you don't have just the Swissies. You have the Swissies V2 Max, right? Is that has more like the paddle style. I have a couple. I also have the Swissies. Oh, okay. So you went all in on this. I got those also. I've never personally even used just the

regular ones. But yes, I, the paddle style ones are the ones that I. And this is basically just like a little plastic hook that you hang over the pull-up bar. to get a neutral grip, right? But it also has a spot for a carabiner. You know, it has a loop on the top of it. So it is just straight up a cable attachment too. Ah, gotcha. Okay.

You know, like, so especially those paddle ones, if you were going to do like some sort of seated row with a cable, I could definitely see using them for that. Or even like, I don't know, a single arm pull down, something like that. But the main reason I wanted them for was what you're saying. You just hang them over. a pull-up bar and go to town on it. And man, they're good.

They are a good product. They're very cheap. Right. Because I think these are like 50 bucks or something. And they're just plastic, right? But like they are good, actually. They're whatever this means, but they're a nice plastic. And they have some thing in there for when it hooks over your barbell, like in that V.

I see that. Some sort of protective thing. Okay. I assume that's going to. wear off over time. But it's not just plastic. Like there is some type of line or two. There is something there. But it might as, I don't even know. Like it would be fine if it was just, I see. It would be fine if it was just plastic. Like it's not going to. But I can just see how that little bit of stickiness maybe even just stops it from sliding a little even. Yeah. And it

doesn't slide. It sticks like a rock. But sometimes regular, you know, overhand pullups can aggravate my shoulders a little bit, you know, like I think it does that a lot to a lot of people. The very first time I brought them into the gym. Larry Legend and Ross were the two guys in there. I put them on the thing. I did like literally one rep, one cold rep with it or two or three or whatever it was. And I'm like, man, you guys got to try these. And Ross did the same thing.

He's like, wow, those are good. And Larry is like, ah, my pull-ups have been, because Larry likes pull-ups. He's like, ah, they've really been bothered my shoulder. I don't want to try it. And I'm like, I don't know. Give it a try. It feels different. He did it.

He's like, that's pretty good. Okay, so the old grizzled veterans are approved. Yeah. All the old guys at the gym approved of this. And there is something about it where it felt really, I don't know, ergonomic for lack of a less stupid word. And it did not aggravate my shoulders at all. Sometimes regular pull-up stone anyways.

But it also felt like I could get very deep into the pull-up, like where I was getting my chest really high. Yeah. Like in a more, I don't know. naturally. I'm trying not to sound too silent. They're not. And also, this is not life-changing. I don't want anyone to think that they're going to get these. But as just an additional alternative for $50 and that with, especially with that paddle, you know, it's like the Magrips. We have the magrips and a lot of people like those. It's that feeling then only of a pull-up. And I am a fan. I have been using them now for my pull-ups for a while. All right. It is just also just a

different stimulus. That's not to say that I wouldn't, would never want to just do regular pull-ups again because I would because this is doing something different than that is obviously, but it's a cool variation. Yeah, I've been definitely slacking on the pull-up department.

I've just been hitting lap pull-downs. Yeah. But I could see adding some of these in to get a little variation and get some pull-ups back going. Like, just if someone even just expressed that much of what you said, I would say, yeah, you should buy these.

Also do it through click our link in Jim Radar or on Massonomics to our affiliates and we get something. We have some sort of affiliate programs. I mean, they're 50 bucks. So we're not talking much here. No, realistically, if you buy a set of these, we're probably going to get like, do this. You go,

okay, you buy those. But then while you're at Kinsui, also make sure you buy those like tungsten plates. Whatever the most expensive. That are like $10,000 for a set of 45s or something, then make sure to use our code in that case. I feel like they, those are going to be excluded from their affiliate programs somehow. Probably. Yeah. That wouldn't surprise me if that's not part of it. But I feel very confident telling you to use our affiliate code for that because I'm like, you probably will like them. And if you don't, you're not going to be all that upset about it because of the, you're not out much.

Okay. Just don't expect that rubber liner thing to be like actually in a home gym with one person using it will probably last forever. I'm just picturing in the, in Massonomics gym that they're to get thrashed. Right. Well, you know, I had the, the Kansui, what the hell, adaptabell. Remember, like the little spin-locked plastic? Yeah. And really, that thing was like, I think I got it on sale for like $40.

It wasn't a bad product for $40. No, it wasn't. And same thing there. You don't want to throw it around. I don't think it'd be great in Massanomics gym. But for a lot of home gym people, if you want the absolute cheapest, like, low-and-have-an-opt- It's not, it's not bad. Like, I was, for the one-time.

product I've had from them, I was, I was impressed. Yeah. I also have two other very interesting attachments on the way that it'll get here soon that we can talk about next week. Okay. All right. Or one of them at least has been shipped. I don't know if the other's been shipped, but there are two other popular attachments

from interesting companies. Yeah. Well, has anything else showed up in the last week or two then since I feel like the last time we talked to were just covering the walls in, in a wall control? And then you'd put everything up there, but I don't know if we'd mention anything else since then. I think we've met, because did we talk,

I got like that spite, that dynamic one? I think we did talk about that. We already talked about that one. People have been liking that one. Heard positive feedback on that particular attachment. Uh-huh. No,

these next two that are coming to will be interesting, so we'll see. But the Kinsui ones, I think, were the most recent attachments that showed up. Gotcha. I don't know why I just had this. flashback of just talking right there on the podcast of that post someone made this week.

Yes, Tanner. The voice didn't match me at all. That is the guy's voice that made that. Or, no, I mean, he's making that voice. Oh, he is. Oh, okay. It reminds you, like, the Team America South Park thing. I assume that that's kind of what he's going, you know, something like what he was going for.

I didn't know if they just told it, no, do something different. or if he actually, okay, that makes more sense. No, that, yeah, to give him the shout out, I think that's GoBrow Athletics, and their booth is close to ours at Home GymCon. Yeah, I knew they're in the booth. I didn't look at the map in forever, so I didn't know. I don't know who those guys,

this isn't the gym radar bit. I actually don't know who those guys are at Go Bro Athletics. But they seem to be pretty funny, so they're coming, I think their thing is they're making a bar. It's like some new, unique special. Bar. I'm very curious. They've got me curious what this bar is,

but they're going to release at home gym con. I said, I don't know what you guys are cooking up over there. Yeah. So I guess we'll see. And in the meantime, they're making some funny, like we're puppets.

Like they did one that was kind of funny too, where it was like some generic home gym reviewer. And he's like, I just finished my 80th review of, I can't remember what it was, but I just, it kind of did actually make me chuckle the way that they did it. I'm like kind of taking just a subtle shot at everyone. I just really,

I appreciated that, that, uh, that level of awareness. Yes, yes, I'm like, yes,

this is actually funny. So yeah, go bro athletics. I don't know who those guys are or what their product is, but I like what they're up to. Uh, are you drinking anything over there? Oh,

I am very thirsty. Ooh. That was a crispy crack. Oh, yes, it was. Cracking into her an ice cold, crispy one over there. Oh, yeah. Polar raspberry lime just hits. You know what this is?

Someone told me that's a mating call one time. That's my mating call. You know what I've always said? Never trust a guy that won't drink a sparkling water with you. Speaking of that, we actually do have this week the Huck Finn Barbell YouTube video coming out. I got it all edited today. Jim tour. Or sorry, yeah, Jim Tour.

I got all edited today and I told Tanner, man, that might be about the most of ever laughed watching back on a video. Because you are just giving him shit the whole time. And he is just kind of at a loss for words multiple times. It's so funny. There's just a lot of ridiculous things in that video that I really enjoy it. I think people are going to, if you're a fan of Huck Finn or a fan of Massonomics in any way, one of those two, I think you'll enjoy it quite a bit. Yeah. The equipment is somewhat secondary to all the conversation.

I was going to say, and I think it's better for that. Right. You got to know, like some gyms we're going to talk really heavy on the equipment. Some we're going to talk more on the stories. Some are going to talk more about their training experience. It all depends on the person we're touring. Huffin, we're not going to go, you know, it's more fun to shoot the ship.

He did have some interesting equipment stories, though, still. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was just the conversation back and forth, and that one is hilarious. Yeah. I'm actually excited. I need to watch that. It's super busy over here and I haven't got to watch it.

But it's on my to-do list. I'll tell you that much. That's a good one. Chicago's, what is the title of that one? Chicago's biggest influencer. The city of, live from the city of Chicago, Chicago's biggest influencer straight from Chicago.

Huck Finn. This guy is, Mr. Chicago. Huck, Chicago, Finn. That's his nickname. The Second City Presents Huck Finn.

Live from Chicago. Chicago's largest influencer all the way from Chicago. Chicago Finn. See him. Bench press at the bean. Just one block from his house. Bench press at the bean.

His goal is to drink a beer with every one of his followers at the bean. He's always said if you won't drink a beer with him at the bean, he can't trust you. The bean is kind of his headquarters. It all revolves around the bean. Didn't we talk about the bean in the videos too? Like we referenced it. You say something stupid to him about that. You can't tell, but we're in downtown Chicago right now.

And he's like, no. And he starts talking about how we pulled up in this little car and how it was so little. And you're like, yeah, okay. But anyway, so we are in a barn here. And yeah, you know, if we like you have a big door, you can open that. He's, oh, yeah, you can get that open. You're like, well, if you open that, you'd see there's the bean right out front there and everything. You just keep getting him on it.

benching at the bean I need to make that need to make that some dumb dumb chat gbt post where it makes that image of him benching at the bean and then it makes him just look a little fat with really little arms

yeah yeah yeah I don't know how I feel about announcing this it's kind of a big deal but I am back on the creatine. Oh, God, not again. I'm trying to pay again.

He watches the enhanced games once and then next week. Look at him. I think about twice a year I announce on here that I'm getting back on creatine and I make it about two days. I'm really bad about taking creatine because of just the destruction it has

on your body's natural processes, right? No, just because literally I terrible at taking supplements. And I'm like, yeah, you know what's easier than taking that? Not taking it. But I am, I think I'm like six days into taking creatine every day. I'm actually about a month back into it now because I was bad for about six months there. Did you gain any weight when you took it?

I typically do three to four points. I did. Like, because I've never been tracking my weight so good as I am this time. and my, like my, I've stayed the exact same weight, give or take a pound or give it take, you know, exceptional circumstances. I say the same weight all the time, eating the calories that I eat and I stick to it like glue. But like six days into, like my fifth day into taking creatine, I got on the scale and I'm like, whoa, I actually gained weight for the first time in like 18 months.

And it seems like it just happens overnight. That's what I'm saying. It's same thing for me. It was like I weighed about 2.16 and a half every morning. Same thing, give or take a pound. And then all of a sudden it's like, nope, I just weigh 2.20 and a half, 221 every day now. Like it is just overnight. That's, I went from like 246 all of the time to 250 literally overnight.

And I'm like, well, that must be an, I must have an enormous shit inside you that I have to take or something. And then I'm like, nope, that's just kind of what I weigh now. And so I'm also taking 7.5 grams of creatine. day instead of the common five because I've heard a lot of people say now that well how are you measuring this actually how are you measuring this uh a teaspoon like mine's just completely like mine's from bulk supplements yeah and it's just uh but like your teaspoon like so you actually measured out how many grams are in an example i just use a teaspoon to get the uh

but you measured a teaspoon to know how much it is or is that just the measurement it just says that two teaspoons is five grams of protein okay god that's why i'm taking three of what I'm, you know, it's just like powdered creatine model. Yeah, no, that's what I have too. I think mine is. I've just so commonly taken five in the past. And I just heard a lot of people say like 10 is okay now or maybe even better. So I'm just, I've been taking seven and a half an arbitrary in between number.

Right. Here we are talking about the finer points of creatine delcine. Like, does that sound like majoring in the minors or what? Yes. It precisely is. And it's like one of, it's, and of all supplements. It's one that is proven to maybe probably actually do something. And it still almost feels, you know, still laughable compared to sleep, nutrition, training.

Mm-hmm. 100%. What are you seeing on dosage? Well, I'm trying to look at mine. Okay. So, yeah, optimum nutrition, that is the one I have. Yep. You know, they, yeah, they put a dose at five grams.

which I think is very common. Yeah, see, they say add one rounded teaspoon. Okay. Which to me, that's one stacked up teaspoon. So I just do a big scoop and dump it in and I don't get very specific with it. So you think you might be five plus? I'm probably, you know, going over by 50%. You know, I might be at seven and a half on a big day, you know, really.

Yeah. Like if you've got a big lift coming, you'll take seven. Yeah, if there's something really important that day, yeah, I'll really pile it on. a lot like people also talk more about it having effects on mental stuff i don't know what's proven or not on that sort of thing i know that one's really hard for me though the mental thing because it's just i think about my life the variables between sleep the not even say like i'm stressed out from work but just the the mental demands of any given work day the child situation the family situation.

For sure. There's just so many variables. I'm like, God, I don't know. That are probably way, that affect it way more than if you're taking 5 grams of creatine or not.

When I took caffeine, how much caffeine I took? If I took any at all, like I'm like, there's 10,000 things that could be contributing to brain fog or tiredness or less mentally alert

that it's really hard for me. That it has more of an effect than creatine. It's very, very hard for me to ever pin it on that. Yeah. I mean, that's with any of that stuff, though.

Like, yes, that's kind of the, that's kind of the thing about supplements in general outside of caffeine. I can tell you, when I got like a good ass night of sleep, like I noticed that. Like that one I know for sure what's going on.

But outside of that, man, there's a lot of other things. Yep. Or like if you have a bed of the flu, you know that. Or if it's like, I don't know, November through February in South Dakota and everyone's just kind of sort of sick, you know. Yes. Okay. Do we want to do supporting our support?

Supporting members, relatively new segment here for the podcast. Yes, let's do it. Okay. This is, like I said, a relatively new segment to the podcast. It's now just the 31st time that we're doing this here in season two of the show. Supporting our supporting members is our chance to give back to those that give to us. We talked about that crew mailer that went out. Every single supporting member, we sent them this surprise that I can't wait to hear reactions and see reactions of what people are doing.

It's kind of tricky now. A lot of people don't want to be the first to let the cat out of the bag for the other people. So I know people are opening it, but they don't want to post anything yet. But eventually people will, someone will get the cat out of the bag and it'll all snowball. There's going to be thousands of reaction videos out there and eventually someone to see one of them. So that's one of the things we do. We send those out a couple times a year. You can also listen along live like we have people now.

You get to on our pre-show, like we did our pre-show before we recorded today. We never record that. It's only a live show. We do it every week. I don't know. How long have we been doing a pre-show? Probably. Did we start that before episode 500?

I think it was after 500, wasn't it? Am I wrong? No idea. I'm actually not sure there. It's relatively new. Yeah. Mark says it's relatively new. That's the safest bet.

But some weeks, some weeks the pre-shows five minutes. We've had weeks for the pre-shows like 30-plus minutes. So, you can get a lot of. Oh, wow. Okay. Time was right then. Yeah. Time flies.

when you're having fun, shooting the shit on a podcast. So another thing we do is shout out people that got cool stuff going on, like Big Esteep. He ran a 5K with both of his sons. They all completed that. Nice. Big Scott ran a 5K with a time of 30 minutes and two seconds. 5K season.

I guess. Big Hunter and Big Wesley took first and second at the yard brawl. And big AC there was judging. Sounds like a little crew get together. Mm-hmm. Big Zahn got engaged. Well, congrats on the funeral.

Congrats on the impending funeral. Let us know when you put your gym equipment up for sale. Because getting married is basically like dying. That's the joke. It's the end. Big Chris Z. Speaking of, celebrated 20 years of his funeral.

Wow. Of being married. Yeah. Big Peter B. competed in the Snap City Open entry. We did a 300 pound sandbag to shoulder. It's strong. Big Boston Jose's youngest child graduated from high school.

So he's now officially an empty nester. Wow. That means there's more room in time for gym equipment then. Gym equipment, Jeep rides, and surfing. The triple threat. That's what Boston Jose does. He's an empty nester now. His iron triangle is now home gym, surfs up, and Jeep time.

Sounds like a pretty good life right there. Yeah, and maybe a little bit of calculating how frequent, how the odds of us wearing the same shirt. Yeah, some equations mixed in there too. If you would have been wearing this shirt, I never got that shirt somehow. I don't think I ever got that one. That's a good shirt, which, yeah, I wish I did because I have the brown.

one and I wore it so many times it's like basically worn out. Yeah. I actually went through some of my shirts this week and I found the brown one that was deep, deep down and I'm like, ooh, I'm going to get this one back in the rotation. I'm just excited. I have the blue raw power on right now. This is one of my all-time favorites and it's one of those shirts that one that my wife swiped off the pile probably a month or so ago and it's just like every week I do laundering.

I'm like, where is that damn shirt at? And I, because I don't have it, I know she has it. And just this week, it was magically back in my house. pile, so I had to put it on today. Back in your rotation. Yep. This week's guest on Unpaid and Underrated, which is our braddy little sister podcast. It's another perk of becoming a supporting member.

If you get involved in the community, you get active. You could be a guest on Unpaid and Underrated. They interview a supporting member every week, and this week was big Brian from Texas. Came up to Crew Falls this year. We met him and his family for the first time. I know who you're talking about here. Yep. And he has signed up for the Lift Hard of the Veezy Classic,

so we'll be seeing him again soon just next month. So thank you to all supporting members. I'm going to give these live listeners an ass kicking out of here. Yeah, do you want to read an ad and I'll get them out? Yeah. Great opportunity for me to make this next important announcement. Our newest sponsor of the podcast, this is actually exciting. We don't often get new sponsors.

Our newest sponsor is Elite FT. We've worked with Dave Tate on a few things over the years, and by a few things, I mean mostly toilet paper related items. And now we've got the chance to have them sponsor the show. You can go over to elitefts.com. Use discount code mass 10. It'll save 10% on most things that you buy there. Not everything all the time, but a lot of the stuff, including the toilet paper. You can save 10% toilet paper is multipli.

It's the toilet paper that we know, use, and trust at Massonomics Gym. We trust it so much, our walls are literally lined with it. We use the toilet paper as insulation. Also check out their 4-inch Camberd bar that they came out with, their bands, and equipment. Everything. EliteFTS.com. Thanks, Elite FTS. All right. Do you 86 those people, or did you 69 them?

I wind him, nine them and 69ed them. Whatever that means. Okay. Do we got a certified training facility the week ready to go here? Oh, that's what you need to do. Are you ready for it is what I'm asking. That's what I meant to say. I am as ready as I'll ever be.

We'll put it that way. Okay. Well, I don't know if you noticed last week on the podcast. I actually did a video version of this. And it made life way easier for me. We're just going to do that again. Ready for this? Yeah, what do we got?

We are looking at A. A. Ron's gym. That is A-A-Dash-Rons gym. That's what you got me out. Oh, yeah, found it. Let's mark this certified training facility of the week, and it is so. The deed has been done. Oh, yeah. The refresh happened right there.

Okay. You're ready to hop. into this thing. Oh, wow. I did just see this gym, actually on Jim Raider. Someone was commenting. Either A.A.

Aaron was commenting or someone was... There's a lot of comments. There's 10 comments already on this gym. Oh, wow. Okay. That's why this one popped. So that's a case for Jim comments. His gym popped up because of gym comments.

Yep. Hoping your little travel device. We're going to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. Pack your passport, Tanner. We've got to cross the border here. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. Good thing there is a map. So I know where this.

So this is very, very east. Way east. It's way east. I still think it's probably south of Aberdeen. I think you're right. It's like, just funny. I think you're right.

How much of the Canadian population still manages to be south of Aberdeen. Especially if you talk about population because I think so many of there's such a big population right around there in Ontario area, you know. Yeah. So, okay, a couple things about this. Aaron's gym. It is a basement gym. The owner, the name says like Wellshag.

Wellshig, I'm not actually sure how you say that. But what's interesting about his bio is it says he's 6-7 with an 80-inch rack, basements, A. That's an interesting dynamic, isn't it? I like that profile. That's good. That's good. 6-7 with an 80-h rack.

That's funny. It paints, quite the picture there. So looking at this gym, featured equipment, well, we'll get into that in a second. Top brands.

Number one, rep fitness, number two, Amazon, number three, Oat Club. You could say that's where the Canadian

flavors coming in there. Oh yeah, you're right. He has 76 pieces of equipment cataloged, and he has not left any reviews yet, but he does have 10.

No reviews, A, A, A, Ron. We got to get a few reviews. Those are rookie numbers. You got to pump those numbers up. He does have 10 comments on his gym, which is pretty good. Comments being the newest feature added to Jim Radar,

taking the world by storm. He does have a wish list in his list. He also has his favorite home gyms. Let's see who made, if anyone sticks out to me. There's some good gyms in here that I know. Oh, yeah. After references for future certified training facility of weak ideas.

I see Mark Darko's garage gym as a favorite home gym. I can't help but notice Darko has still not added pictures to this gym. Hard to marketplaces your favorite when there's no photos of it. Darko, get some pictures. Okay. But should we get to the actual gym here? Yeah, let's do it.

He's got some stuff in here, doesn't he? He does got some stuff. So there's some very interesting things. Like we said, it's a basement. And when you first look at this thing, you'll see there's this just fully loaded rep PR 5,000 rack here. And the aesthetics of this gym are top notch. And I'm just going to paint the picture of the room because you're looking at a

basement. The basement's finished nice. It's got white walls and everything. But it looks like there's horse doll mats down on the floor. Or it could just be black floor. And I actually can't tell for sure from this photo. It might just be black like large tiles cut there. But he has this all white and black rack with black plates and all the stuff loaded on it. And then he has kind of the entertainment corner of the basement where there's a nice TV, a little entertainment center underneath it. There's a single recliner. And what's really cool is above the TV, there's a rep SSB, there's a curl bar,

and then to the side of it, there is a bike hanging off basically the ceiling to. An analog peloton. An analog peloton. So just the combination of those things together makes for a very interesting visual. Have to be careful getting that rep SSB off around that TV, I would think. I mean, it is above, like the rep SSB is basically touching the ceiling and a foot below the rep SSB.

I mean, actually the handles for the rep USB, SSB go behind the TV. That's how much this thing is. I guess he's 6-7 so he can get up there. 6-7, you lift your arms up a little bit. It's like 9 feet in the air. All of a sudden, no big deal. That's pretty cool. But the rack is loaded. Like this thing has, what is, I can never keep this straight.

Is it the, is it the, he's got the VT, Bulletproof Fitness VTS rack attachment on there. Yeah, the VTS is on there. But is this the Athena or the Ares? What's their plate loaded one? He has the Ares. 2.0 functional trainer. Aries 2.0 functional trainer. They got the track handles with,

I'm assuming that's the JD Equipers. J.D. Yep. I'm sure that's what that is. I think they got the rep equalizer plates it looks like back there. They're the urethane ones. Yep. The urethane-coded equalizer plates. And then from this angle, it's hard to tell what else is going on with the racks.

So we're going to go to photo number two. He's got the rep ins, full set. on the rep rep cart. There's the O'Clob like calf raise block thing on there too. Okay, yeah, it's just sitting on there. Okay, and then he also has another, this is a folding rep rack, isn't it?

On the wall next to it there? Yeah, what is that called? And that one maybe comes out from the wall about a foot or so. Yeah, what is that? That's actually kind of interesting, isn't it? Yeah, I'm curious. That's the rep PR 5,000 wall-mounted

fixed rack. Okay. I'm kind of curious what his setup is because he has the dip bar or like the dip attachments in that. And then he has the Pegasus seat. It looks like stored on there. He has that Oak Club curl bar. Oh yeah.

Holder on there. I mean, maybe this is just kind of a second rack to sort of hold accessories and things. I think so. I could see him benching out of that or something. Yeah, because the bench is tucked in there too. Yeah, that's an interesting one. just have like this whole other nice secondary rack right next to the main rack there. Oh, and then we have, there's just like a full-on kitchen in this gym.

And this is also what's interesting is so they have like a countertop space against the wall. Oh, I wasn't seeing what was going on with this bar. Yeah, and then on the counter, in the middle of the counter is a sink. But then over the top of the sink is the rep, is the rep open trap bar. like it straddles both sides of the sink. And then on both sides of the sink, there are wall control panels with like every attachment that you would ever need up there.

So it's basically like if you just took someone's kitchen and put a rep open trap bar over it and put up wall control panels. And that's the vibe. He does have quite the assortment of nice attachments there too, doesn't he? Yeah, I'm assuming that's some more JD equipped stuff. There's the rep clev. Cas handles.

He's got all those rep. Yeah, all the rep clever. a collab stuff there. Yeah, I mean, just some really nice pieces. That dump bell, maybe. Yeah, or yeah, that kettlebell, that's the rep adjustable kettlebell, I think, right? There's some rep squat wedges there, too, it looks like. A really good setup.

The next photo shows the stairs, and underneath the stairs, is that the rep leg developer for the bench, wheeled underneath there? The leg extension and leg curl bench attachment. For all you're sitting on your ass. lifting leg needs. All the comforts of sitting on your ass in a commercial gym from the comforts of your own basement.

I wonder how all that works when you're 6-7. You'd think you need to leave a review. I want to hear his review on if that things works well for him as a 6-7 guy. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, wow. And then we have an up-close photo of the recliner in front of the TV. You can see there's in the mirror there's a barbell, a single barbell mounted to the wall hanging. Oh, he has that body solid, like, it's like the rower without the, did Jake have that too?

It's basically a concept two rower, but instead of having the little fan, like the actual part, you just have just the sled, like the rail, and then you pull on. Yeah, like your functional trainer or cable stack or whatever. and yeah like that that is a cool thing i'm curious how that good that actually works yeah i don't know that is it never tried it actually okay there you can see the next seat the next photo he has the pegas seat on the main rack uh we got some vt s photos track handle yeah a barbell hanging on the wall oh we got two doggos down there too oh yeah see that and oh yeah last photo we just get another angle of the room he does a good job decorating with gym equipment

He also has a Roomba and a mini fridge. Oh, okay. Also, there's like a pull-it bar hanging from the ceiling. Did you notice this? I actually didn't catch that right away. That's interesting how that's... I guess that one part of the ceiling isn't finished. You can kind of see floor joy sort of.

Yeah. Like it looks very finished for being unfinished, though, if that makes any sense. Yeah, that's a nice setup. Right. There's also a plant. So go, go till A-A-Ron, A-Dash A-Dash-Ron on Jim Radar if you like his gym or not.

It's a good one. Yeah. Let him know and also tell him to leave some reviews. We need to know what it's like as a big 6-7 guy on some of this equipment. Big 6-7 guy, huh? All right. Do you think he could get strong in A-A-A-Ron's gym? Oh, hell yeah.

A. What's A-A-Ron from? Um, key and peel. Okay. Yep. That's it. I knew you'd know. There's one thing I know.

It's movies and TV. Especially movies. From. Don't ever doubt me ever. What, uh, what do we do next? Do we go into a tier list? I think we need to, yes. All right.

We'll never get to this tier list if we don't get it started. Did you get that link I sent you? Yep. I think I'm in. I'm in. in. He's cracked the code. I'm in.

Oh, yeah. There he is. I see him. You see my hand. I do see your hand. Got, okay, I got to say, just because I'm getting like this funny feeling right now,

um, it was on this podcast, I don't know, a couple months ago where I got just this quick podcast. Well, this format. Yep. It's kind of happening right now.

Actually, it's a scary. Um, I got this hamstring, like cramp. And that was the only time of my life. that had ever happened where I got a hamstring cramp. And, you know, it happened on here.

It lasted for like, I don't know, five seconds. And it was somewhat alarming, but I got over it. It was, I was going to bed probably, I don't know, a week or so ago. And actually, I shouldn't say I was going, I was in bed. I was, like, sleeping. And I had put my, my wife was already sleeping. It was probably 11.30. I'd put my phone down, like, okay, I was kind of like rolling over to set it on the nightstand.

And it, this cramp hit my hamstring. so hard. It was like violent, how hard it hit. And by first thought I was, okay, this happened a week ago. Like, oh, okay, it's going to go away. And it's going to go away. It just kept going and going. And pretty soon, I'm like, ah, I'm like, telling my wife, and she's like, well, I'm trying to sleep. What are you doing? It won't stop. It won't let go. And I could just feel it like. Were you trying to like straighten your leg? I could. I just couldn't. I was laying down and I couldn't move. You know, it's not like right now where I'm sitting And I can kind of maneuver a little bit

I was laying in bed and I just had like no ability to Move my upper body or anything And it would just, it wouldn't it wouldn't let go And it lasted for 30 seconds to a minute And it was just a large, I'm like, is this just my life forever now? Is this ever going to let go? Was it extremely painful? It was extremely painful and I could feel my hamstring

I mean, it was like a lump in it. It was very, very tight. And then it finally let go. And ever since that day like two weeks ago Yeah. It just feels like at any given point my hamstrings are both just going to lock up on me. I've never been conscious of that in my life.

And now on a daily basis, I think, hmm, is that going to tighten up right now? Because it's just like getting out of the car, like just getting off of a chair. I always feel it. And right now is one of those times where I was like, oh, I actually think it might cramp on me. That's why I'm sitting funny.

So I don't know what the hell's going on there, but I don't like it. It's very unsettling. Was it a cheer list the last time on the podcast When it cramp? Maybe it was. Maybe your hamstrings are allergic to tearless. That might be it, yeah.

Or maybe the tier list is what makes the cramps go away. It needs the tier list. But, yeah, not good. Not a good feeling. And actually just as, while I'm talking, I'm just feeling lessenless confident. Like I'm going to make it through this episode without an incident. Without a hamstring cramp.

I don't know what that's about. It's so weird. You know what that feeling when it finally stopped, though? when you, like, you could literally feel like, oh, is this what it feels like to just relax? Like, yeah, it feels like you've never relaxed in your life before. Thank you for letting the pain, making it stop.

Oh, God, it's terrible. Yeah, I don't know. And then there's like a residually painful still to where it's like, well, that was sort of my problem, though, is it just went away. Like, it didn't really linger or anything, but now it's just been the thing of, like I've had a couple decent deadlift days since then,

and I'm thinking, And you go into every deadlift day thinking, like, is this the day they both just cramp up on me and I don't deadlift again? Yes. Well, anyways, back to the tier list. Okay, so this is the seated exercise tier list. Is there any framing we need to do of this before we get into the... Well, the framing is this whole segment is very scientific, extremely well thought out and heavily debated. So these are absolutely the right, correct answers.

there's no telling us we're wrong here. That's the state of mind you need to be in. And if you haven't listened to it, watched any of our other tier list episodes, maybe you should go back and listen to some of those that'll give you a good context of what this is going to be like. Exactly. Yeah, we make the rules up as we go.

You might hear us justify something one way to land it in a certain space and then... Go against that whole belief system on the next item. And the beauty of it is we get to do that. but you do get a say in the matter you get to comment if you think we do something that is to you incorrect you're free to comment about that in the YouTube section

it just has to be phrased properly and how what's the expectation on a valid uh god yeah let me remember because no one ever has any feedback so I forget but I think it's in my incorrect opinion then you can state your incorrect opinion whatever you can write as much or as little as you want

and then you end it with but whatever I don't know anything. So yes, in my incorrect opinion, as long as you do those two things. Yes. My example goes here. Yep, but whatever. I don't know anything. And then we feel that you're coming from a place of respect and an unthreatening manner. And then we'll engage with your comment. But then and only then will we think about it. Otherwise, you'll be permanently banned and blocked. They'll report you to Google. So we do have a list here of seated exercises. And some of these aren't really brand machine or they're not specific down to that level. Yeah, because we didn't want to do.

Or we'll use like a particular example. Yeah, but we didn't want to like be like, okay, first we're going to look at the Sybex leg extension, then the Cybex Eagle leg extension, then the life fitness leg is like we're not doing that. Like we're some, some do require a little more detail, but for the most part we're speaking in more general terms here.

Yes. More movement patterns than necessarily equipment pieces. Typically. Yes. Okay. Do you want to pick the first one? Yeah. In no particular order we're going to do these.

No particular order. God. And we don't know exactly how. I don't know what these are, where we're going to end up with here. I'm going to pick a real, real, I think one that everyone can relate to here to start with. I am going to start with the seated calf raise.

Great choice. The seated calf raise. It's a pretty classic seated exercise, isn't it? classic seated exercise for sure. I think most people, if you've ever been to a commercial gym, have probably experienced this in some way too. You know, typically you've got a pad that goes across your knee. You sit on your ass like you do with all these movements.

You got a little pad that goes across your knees or some type of release. And your feet are on a little block of some kind. And you have basically a little weight horn out in front of you and you're moving the weight up and down. We've got the hammer strength. Which is a fine unit. It's a very good one. I was just going to look on Jim Radar. If I looked at seated calf, I'm curious what...

Now, the purest will tell you, don't even waste your time. You need to get a standing calf raise, but... Titan is the most common one. So maybe you got the Titan one or the body solid or the X mark. There's a billion different kinds, but Titans the most common one on Jim radar. So plate loaded seeded calf is a pretty common. Generally speaking, I like the standing version better of calf raises, although the seated targets the soleus portion of the calf,

more specifically than standing does. Ask me how I know. You're speaking my language. How do you know? Because I keep straining what I was going to say was my calf when I go for runs. It is my calf. It's specifically it's my soleus. It's like the bottom portion of your calf,

what ties in more closely to your Achilles tendon. That's what I keep straining. And part of my rehab is I now do a butt, I do quite a few seated calf raises to try to, like, strengthen that. So why do you think you keep straining it? I have absolutely no idea. I mean, you ever had that problem before?

Never. Yeah. Why am I doing it? Because I'm old, I guess. I'm like, I can't do anything without hurting something. Like every, and it's, And I keep doing it because I'm not giving it long enough to recover.

It's probably the correct answer. Like I'll give it long enough to where I'm like, this is just fine. And I'll go run half a mile. I'll hit the half a mile mark. Bam, back with the rain. Yeah. Yep. Just like clockwork.

If I run over half a mile, it's it. But I've been really hammering the rehab. And part of that is seated calf raises. Okay. Because if it's, if it's seated, it's undefeated. Very true words. So with that in mind. sit on my ass hard pass.

With that in mind, you know, this isn't like a bad thing by any means to me. It's also not great. I'm kind of feeling middle of the road on this, maybe like B-ish. Yeah, I would say so, because I still actually prefer a standing. If it's going to be a CAFRAs machine,

I kind of like a standing one better. But, yeah, I think B is good. Okay. Also, we will say with this, once we get done, we typically go back and reanalyze the list and see how the tide shifted while, with our reasoning.

And we may move things around too at the very, very end. Yeah. We probably will. Especially if we decide everything as an A, B, and C. We might decide that some things have to be F's and S's.

Speaking of seated exercise tier lists, how about the lap pull down? One of the granddetties of them all. That is a classic right there. That's, everyone does a lap,

pull down. That's one of the heavy hitters on their ass for a lap pull down. That's a heavy hitter, right? That is a heavy hitter. That might be S tier. That pulldown is a freaking classics sitting on everyone, every dip shit that goes to the gym for the first time is going to sit on their ass and do a lap pull down. I agree.

Like it's just everyone does this movement. From every dip shit to the most experienced lifter, everyone's doing lap pull downs on their. ass. I mean, one, it's easier to do than pull-ups. Extremely. You can also just scale it in a lot more ways. And most lap pull-downs, especially in a gym, are selectorized. So it's really easy to make adjustments, too.

But, man, they work. Like, I, you know, I didn't have a lap pull-down in my gym right away. That was the first machine I added, a lap pull-down low row. And it wasn't too long after I added that. My bench started blowing up, and I don't think that's a coincidence. No, I don't think so either. You can hit pull-ups pretty hard, but at the end of the day,

it's pull-ups are pull-ups. They're challenging to take them a whole lot of ways there. So, I've got to find a good photo of a pull-down. What about yours? Well, I kind of like the photo with a person in it just for the sake of a- She's really showing what's going on. Yeah.

Right. You know, that's always the problem. but we are saying S tier for that I think so right it's got to be doesn't it yeah I think though I will always like we said we'll review it but I think it's I think it's in the S ballpark at least we'll see who the contenders are on that

okay I got the photo in S tier wow S tier so soon yeah to see it that's okay that's a tough that's gonna be a tough one to take down oh that pulled out okay Hmm, boy.

Let's go with the, you know what? I think this could be a bit of a polarizing one. I'm going to go with the preacher curl here. Tanner, I've never been a big fan of preacher curl. What are your thoughts on preacher curl? I've got to say, some of my earlier lifting career, before I was doing as much squatting and deadlifting and kind of training more like a power lifter, I did a lot of preacher curling.

Did you? I did a lot of curling in general. I would, you know, come to the gym and like just lift arms. You had your curl day. Yeah, I'd just come to the gym and do like four variations of curls, you know, because this one hits this head and that one, this head and, you know. It's a classic one. You know, that goes, that's a sitting on your ass lift as old as time, it seems like,

you know, he can, who hasn't pictured Arnold, you could just picture Arnold that a preacher curl bench. I think it's also one like the lap, pull down that if you go to a gym, there's a pretty good chance that you've ventured over to this thing and done these before too. Absolutely. Yes.

You know, the curl bar ferry. Every gym has one. Every gym has one. It's like the curl bar ferry has its own little station with the bar just sitting waiting for you. It's like just waiting for you to take it. For something that's not that important

that you can like skin that cat 70,000 other ways. Yeah. It's kind of funny that every, gym has a preacher curl bench. I think it's because it's just arms. You know, some people say it's an upper body business. You know, it's where the money's to be made and people love their arm exercises. So why not dedicate a station in the gym just to doing curls in a specific way?

I don't really do them. So with that being said, I don't like, actually don't like the Preach Curl movement. I don't. That's not, that's not. You put weird strain on your elbows and. Yeah, I never thought they felt good. I never liked them. Um, for me, this is, I, I don't think it's an F tier because I can understand why some people

like it. But for me personally, like, in my opinion, this is kind of a C tier item. But I can understand how people would want that higher though. Yeah, I don't really use it. But it also is one of the, like, that we've posted a video of even Massanomics, Jim, the very first version of it. And it's always had it. And somebody even commented, it goes, ah, it's funny, all the limited equipment in there and

there's still a preacher curl bench. It is a relatively easy piece to push and move around to, though. Like that one especially was pretty lightweight, you know? Yeah. You know what? I used that thing more than anything. I used it as the station to load skull crushers on. Yes.

You know, that's what it was more. To this day, that's what it gets used for. I mean, do you see people doing preacher curls on it much? I did them like a week ago, actually. Really? Yeah, and I didn't like it. It was actually hard to get in a comfortable position. They're not even just comfortable.

Like I don't do lifts to be comfortable. It was hard to get in a position that felt like I was achieving the goal. Yeah, I know. That's nicest preacher curl I've ever seen in my life. Juji Mufu's Panada one. For sure. That is hands down. That's the,

I love it when he gives the little demo of it. Right. Because it's like, it's like spins it and it. It's on like a hydraulic or like a gas strut. You can get it up to standing height. And then it can spin around and do all this stuff. I mean, it is impressive. Yeah, I'm good.

I actually am good with C probably. I don't know. That's a hard one for me. I can't make a good case anywhere, so I'm good with that. Like for me, that's, I mean, if I'm going to do curls, that's like number 10 on the list of a way I would hit curls.

I haven't tried to revisit it lately, and it still didn't. I tried to hack around it by standing, just doing single arms and using the bench. I actually do like a single arm preacher curl over a double. arm breech or curl in that way. But I don't prefer single arm lifts.

I know in general. It's annoying because it just takes that much longer to do this accessory that you're already doing a bunch of reps on. Okay. We got it in at sea. Okay. How about, oh, how about the leg extension? We got to go to where, yeah, kind of where we, this really all came about

as we sitting on your ass with leg extensions. The classic sitting on your ass, lifting your legs, leg extension. There again, everyone does it. Everyone that comes to a gym will do a seated leg extension. Yes, they will. It's like no one wants to do squats, you know? Why would you when you can sit on your ass? Why would you when you can just target one very, very specific muscle

that may or may not actually make you stronger, right? Yeah. Every gym pretty much has a leg extension. I think every, I think. that's if you're signing up for a gym, the government sends a person over to ensure that you have a leg extension machine. Otherwise, you can't open a gym. With more people getting machines in their home gyms, leg extension seems to be one of the first, one of the ones of those machines are very top, high on the list for sure. Yes, it does.

It's also, yeah, I mean, it's. Plate loaded, selectorized, all kinds of options, depending on what you prefer for felt load and strength herbs. Boy, tell me more. I did leg extensions today. Did you? I did single leg leg extensions. I will tell you, I've for the most part been a man of my word when I said, nope, I'm done doing this sitting on my ass stuff.

I'm doing hard exercises from now on. And I have really stuck to the split squats. But there was a day not that long ago. I think it was on a delode week. I thought, you know what, I'll take it easy this week. And I did leg extensions. And I'll tell you what. when you don't do heavy-ass squats before leg extensions,

God, those things are so much easier. Like, when you go into those things, like you've just tried to skate for your life out from under the squat, and then you go do leg extensions, you're like, you're still kind of fighting it. But yeah, when you go in fresh,

oh, I'm like, I don't even know. You can just do unlimited weight, I think. Like, now I get my people complain because if you're not doing heavy weight before, yeah,

you have a lot of energy, a lot of muscle them. Well, that was always kind of my, that was part of my argument in the video even, too, or it's like, or in some of the discussion is like,

well, I'm using this as a part of training. And usually never in my training is this the first thing I'm doing. It's almost always the last if I'm doing it. And by that time, I'm pretty fatigued. So the weight that we're talking about,

I'm like, it's usually more than enough. And most the people I see use it at mass onomic gym, that's true. Yeah, that's just like a cheap easy finisher. Right, right.

Yeah. So where does it rank? Seated leg extension. I mean, I think it is. Everyone's got one. Everyone's done it. I personally don't think it's an S-tier. I know there's a lot of people that would say it's an S-tier. I don't think it's an S-tier movement.

I can understand how B or A would be appropriate. I mean, there is a lot of people that would say A because it is their leg day. You know, you go hit the leg press and then follow it up with the leg extension. It's like, boom, boom, there's leg day. I don't know. me I'd probably put it at a B but I feel like I'm thinking of the public a little more here and I think a lot of people would put it closer to A but I don't know if that's right or wrong

I could see it be in an A that's fair it's also on the sign we made of the saying that's very very true if it's seated it's undefeated yep all right that's like extension well let's hit the flip side of this let's flip it reverse it. Let's go with the seated leg curl. Seated leg curl. Yes. I wouldn't say, I don't think this one has quite the same adoption as the leg extension. I don't think a leg curl is necessarily that uncommon, but I, it's not a given that gyms have a seated leg curl. In my experience, most of the gyms I've been to, they have a prone or aligned leg curl is what I typically have seen.

Yeah, and a lot of the nerds like seeded better, right? They say that the stretch is better on the ceded or something like that. Everyone just repeats that same thing of, yeah, it supposedly hits your hamstrings more. I can tell you right now, it agitates my low back, that seated position with my legs extended in front of me like that. That really does agitate my back. So I actually hate seated leg. Like if you were just asking me, there's no way. I would, if you said, hey, I have a seated leg curl machine, do you want it for free?

It's the nicest one in the world. And be like, no. Or if you say, well, you have to take it, I'm just going to sell it right away. Like, there's no reason. There's no way I'm going to keep that in my gym. But I know there are people out there that like the seated leg curl. Didn't Evan say he likes lying better? He said he likes lying more.

I like it way more. Like, I think lying leg curl, dude, if you can't hitch. I mean, I can get to the point where I basically can't stand up, but I'm done doing a line leg curl. Like what? So the seated leg curl, I'm going to make it so I actually just can't get up after that. Like, what am I leaving on the table here? I mean, my hamstring cramp up on me in the middle of the night.

Like, come on, I'm hitting them hard here. I actually think I kind of like lying leg curl better too. I just find it more comfortable. Like from an ergonomic example. But I kind of like the lying leg curl better than seated. This is not a list of top line exercises. No, exactly. It's a list of top seated exercises.

It can't be ranked as high as the seated leg extension for sure. And the fact that we like lying leg curl better also knocks it down a point. So I think it's maybe, is it like a B or a C? Hmm. It is one of those two. Yeah. But what's the correct one? Yeah.

I don't know. I could go B. I could understand putting it one notch below the leg extension. Okay. Let's throw her in the B range. Okay, God, I just got to find the right photo for this sucker. Here we go. We'll do this.

I picked that, so I'm going to pick the next one. Let's do, let's do the seated, a seated row, like the seated hammer strength ISO row is the machine that we have, but some sort of seated row. That's probably the most common, you know, something with, you're sitting down,

you have a chest support in front of you. You don't even necessarily need a chest support. Like, you know, a lot of cable crossovers have the towers that have the foot platforms where you can just do a seated row with a bench. Oh, yeah, just like a seated cable row like that where you have a seated cable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. I put that all in the same. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing.

One has a chest pad or one has a chess pad and one doesn't, but it's. One has a foot. Yeah, yeah, I see. Well, I don't know. Do we need to do those separate or not? No, we don't need to do those separate. Let's just lump them all into one category. But the hammer strength one is kind of the classic

Yeah Highly sought after machine Which you happen to have I do have that Great machine Those things do get hyped up a lot online I've noticed Yeah, it is a good machine What do you think you paid for that one when you got it?

I don't think it was all that expensive I bought it a long time ago from Minneapolis And how did you decide on that one too I'm not sure I think it just showed up for sale and it was a good deal Okay. It wasn't like a specific that you weren't like specifically. I think I might have bought some other stuff with it.

Actually, I picked it up from Brad Knight Moves-Nitzel. He got it for me and I grabbed it from him when I was there one time. But at that time, you didn't have hammer strength, ISO roll like on your shopping list? I don't think so. Okay.

So it's kind of a happy accident, you could say. Yeah, I think so. I think as much as anything, that's true. Okay. Well,

I don't really get to use this one much. You know, it's in the gym, obviously. But when I was there, I always did like it. Like, it is a good machine. You can, you can hit your lat's pretty damn hard on it while sitting on your ass, you know. And from a slightly different angle than lap pull downs too. Yeah. Or also looking at the seated cable row version, you know, kind of similar but different.

Also a very popular, you can go really heavy on that, which a lot of people do. And you can use a lot of back English. So great for a seated exercise that you can just show off on. Do a little horse cock. Show how much of the weight stack you can move around with your body. Great opportunity for that while you sit on your ass. Yep. It's great opportunity to sit on your ass and move a lot of weight in a way

that's not like terribly fatiguing. Yeah, that's also not too stressful or taxing. Right. It's really, I mean, you're painting a pretty good picture on this right now. That's true. Oh, that's a tough one for me though, too. It's not an S. I guess to me it's either an A or a B.

Do you feel better about one of those? We have lap pull-downs as an S, and this feels like it's a notch below. So maybe this is an A. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely below lap pull-downs. Let me... Okay, I want to find...

I kind of want to put both pictures in here for options because it just feels relevant to really cover our bases. You mean for the people that when I post it on Instagram and they talk shit about it, just be, you know, classically they don't watch the video. That had no clue what we're talking about, but tell us we're wrong.

Without putting the proper disclaimer on it. Yes. Oh, just grinding my gears. Yeah, here we go. Okay, we got two options in A-N-L. All right. What's the felt load that you used for that leg extension machine? Oh, this one right here.

Yeah. That's a good question. It's a body solid. Should we call them up and find out? Yeah, we'll see what the felt load is on that thing. Yeah. There's a shroud over the weights there. It's probably because they don't want you to know.

You know what? The freaking weight stack is probably just numbered. You know, one, two, three, four, five. You don't even know the weight on it, a couple of, you know, oldest trick in the book. Classic. Yeah. Leging extensions. I did 12 today.

whatever that means. Oh, is it my turn? Yeah, your turn to pick. Okay. Ball's in your Kurt. Here we go. God, all right. Some of the issue with some of these is I've either never used them or I've just

hardly ever used them. So I can't give a really in-depth review other than just putting my own personal biases in. But let's go with the seated dip machine. Seated dip machine. I use the seated dip machine a lot when I was in Kuwait. That sweet seatbelt on it and use the hell out of a seated dip machine. It just sounds like a thing you would do in Kuwait is use a seated dip machine. Seated dip machine with seatbelt.

I can't remember. I would, I'd like to go back in time and pay more attention to what some of the brands of the machines were because I think there was some pretty cool equipment there. It's just I was far less aware in 2009 of, you know, I couldn't even imagined what Jim Radar was. Yeah, you're more concerned about who's going to win that basketball game. That's right. Like if someone would have told me, oh, Jim Radar, I would have been like,

Dumb. Don't you know we're playing basketball tonight? The championships on the line here? Jim Radar, I just come here to lift. I don't, what do I care what, what does it matter what brand this equipment is? Like, I've, I had literally never even heard the words felt load. I was just saying that someone says the words felt load to you. and you go, we're speaking a different language, buddy.

What else is it? Felt load and strength curve. I promise in 2009. And I was reading Bodybuilding Magazine. I subscribed to multiple bodybuilding magazines and never were they talking about felt load and strength curves of machines. Maybe they were.

And your reading comprehension was so poor. That's true. Maybe I just went right over your head. I just saw Feltload and I'm like, nope, gloss right over that. I don't like that. Who are they talking to? It's not me.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to read about stuff that actually matters like nutrition, right? I wasn't buying a Flex magazine for the articles. I just like the pictures. That's right. Seated dip machine, kind of a goofy machine. Not all that iconic in the seated exercises, in my opinion. Not all that iconic. Also, not all that hyped.

either. I've noticed. Yeah. Not a lot of talk in the home gym circles about adding in a seated dip machine into your gym. Last one I used was when we actually Los Campiones for crew falls, I use theirs there because I, it was on my day where I do dips.

And I thought, you know what? Right. I do dips all the time. Let's add in a dip variation. How'd you like it? I will say you can, that one actually didn't have the seatbelt that had, I'm pretty sure it had like a leg pad

that you can adjust down, which I think is probably superior in this case. It's just one less thing to mess with, or easier to adjust. But, I mean, dips, especially at this point, you know, I'm doing,

typically throw like a 45 on when I'm doing dips. And like, they're just hard. It's just a hard exercise at that point. With the weighted version, or with the machine, you know, you're finessing it a little more. And, you know,

depending on how much body you're putting into it versus, like, it's all machine. You can really manipulate it how you want. But I did, I mean, I got a good burn out of it.

That's for sure. But it's, I don't know. This is probably like a C tier to me. I think it's C. Like in the world of sitting on my ass, it's just not that high of a priority. The risk to reward ratio is just all off.

Yes. Yes. So C. Yeah. This next two, I think we lump them together. and I don't have a good justification why, but I would go with the peck fly slash peck deck

and also the rear, rear fly, rear dealt, because a lot of times those machines are a two and one machine, complete opposite movements, but you just sit on your ass on that one machine. Also, we didn't combine the leg extension leg curl, but because this is our show, I just want to combine this one. Yeah, I think those ones are different enough,

or they have enough notoriety to them that they deserve their own spot. but we'll go the peck fly slash reverse fly rear delt. I like that reverse fly. I've never done that on a machine at a commercial gym and not got done and been like, yep, that kind of lit up my rear delts. It's a muscle that I'll never forget the time we had Jujis.

We were doing some kind of like face pull, like lean against a band or a rope thing. And I just remember thinking after like four reps of body weight stuff like, well, I've clearly have been neglecting this area. And ever since then, I've taken face pulls very, very seriously.

But it's not an area that on a power lifting program, you prioritize a whole lot, I don't think. So I can understand the liking it. But as far as these machines go, I don't know. I've like maybe used one once ever. Like I just have no experience with it really.

Yeah, it's becoming more and more popular. I'm seeing more and more home gym equipment companies making this piece. I'm kind of seeing it pop up more often, especially since it's a two and one. Either one of these on their own is a tough sell for any home gym probably. Yep. I think it's because it's the two and one and it's also sort of the multi-flight thing where, oh, if you position yourself this way with one arm,

you can do this. It's two and one, but you can maybe eke out a couple more variations is where I think it gets. Like that machine is usually a two and one in commercial gyms most of the time. Like rarely, like if it's the reverse or the rear dealt fly machine,

it's almost also can be used always as APEC fly too. I don't know. I guess it's a B to me. Okay. That being said, it's a B. Yeah, that's what I just do not have enough experience to really put that one in.

But I can understand a B. I can see that. Next on the list. Ooh. Let's go with a little bit of a rarity here. Let's go with a seated grip machine. Seated grip machine. We got to experience one of these firsthand in Chicago,

in the Chicago area, in one of our gym tours. That was it sabotage, Sean. Did he have the hammer strength version? Is that what he had? Hammer strength, seat and plate loaded. grip machine. Hammer strength plate loaded gripper.

What a unit right there. We put this one on the list because it stuck out because it's very interesting that this is actually made as a seated machine. Like that they made this entire machine with a seat on it that you can do like this pinch grip. There's so many things that like do that that don't require their entire own seat. and set up. I want one of those.

I think they're absolutely absurd and next to pointless and a waste of space. Not pointless, but pointless in the way that you can just do that without having an entire it's more flex in the way

that if you have one of these, it means you have space. You're either terrible at picking piece of equipment or you actually have a lot of space. It's one of the two. Yeah, yeah. And it's not that big.

Like, it's pretty minimal because there's a small. Seat. It's not a huge seat. It's funny to me that it is even ever exists as an entire seated machine, though. Yeah. So I didn't use, I didn't actually use the one at that gym when we were there. It's good.

I like it. I do like that machine. I think it's absolutely, I think it's ridiculous, though. I think it's stupid and it's probably very low. Okay. So there's like a little lever is what it's moving around. Is that how, okay. I wasn't actually sure how that mechanism works.

so. Like the, you're pinch, you know, the one that, the, what you're pinching together where you have your thumbs, that's locked in. And then you're pulling the other part with your four fingers back to your thumbs. Yeah. And so that, so like the front of it kind of lifts off the grounds. Right. Kind of almost like a where the plates load. Yeah. Yes. That's a good comparison. I think it's insane and ridiculous. It's almost like an F tier seeded machine. I want one. Yeah. But it's,

I think that's a pretty appropriate place for it. Not a lot of bang for your buck. I mean, especially when you're talking grip. Man, there's a thousand different ways to work your grip, and a lot of them revolve around things that take up no space at all.

Yes. But it is unique, that's for sure. Okay. How about the seated pullover, which we've been running into these on occasion on our gym tours, is the seated pullover. The one we run into his little, you know, at Matt Wallace's home gym,

he had the Gen 1 Nautilus or whatever Gen Nautilus. And that seems like that's the gold standard, isn't it? That's kind of the gold standard. And then some others have kind of tried to replicate it. Actually, I think at Sabotage Sean, he had a pullover too that was like a Sybexter, a slightly later model of something pullover. And when I was at Jordan Wong's gym down in Florida,

He had the Nautilus pullover as well. And I think there's some newer companies that, you know, make pullover versions, pullover using your latts. Did you use the pullover at, so after we got done filming, because I had never used one before. I'd never even been to a gym that had one as far as I know. At, um,

who had it? Why can I think right now? Matt, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. After we got done filming,

I had to set myself down and crank out a few reps and give it a try. And it's a big machine, but I kind of see the hype on it. Like it hits you, man. Like you feel that. It does have a cult following to it too. It does. If you're a bodybuilder, you kind of want one of these, I think, a lot of times. Yeah, I, you know, I don't know if I did 10 reps or so, but I can see if you had the room for machines, the room and the budget.

how this wouldn't be a bad option to go with. So with that being said, it really has a cult like following for a sitting on your ass machine too, a way to do lap sitting purely on your ass. I think it's almost like an A. Yeah, I mean, it kind of gets your abs too. Like, it just sort of gets your whole torso, it felt like. But I don't think A is a bad choice here.

All right, let's put her there. You up? I think I did that one. Okay. then Seated grip machine's done Pullover's done Oh boy

Let's go with the Let's go with the Gluteator The Gluteator Also a machine with a bit of a cult following as well True It's one of those if you know you know What's Jim

We've used this in where else. Yeah, Gunner Peterson's, Jim. They both have the actual, the legit Goudiator. And then there's a knockoff version from Is it GMWD? I think so. Yes.

A Colo or one of those has one that you can buy. Never seen that one in person. I mean, it looks just the pictures online look very, very similar. Yeah. It definitely does something as far as like using it. Gunner made me use it to

when we were during the gym tour. And you can feel it in the glutes. They don't call it the gluteator for no reason. Yeah, we've talked about on the show before. The time we were just kind of sitting around at Jujis and we started playing around with it, that thing lit me up. Like I was, it was to the point where we were like,

no, I don't feel it at all. And I was like three reps in and like, this is just wrecking me right now. So, yeah, it does something. And it's a nice, I mean, I can understand the hype. Same thing there. It's a piece with some hype, and I don't think it's unjustified by any means. I do think it's good.

I also don't know what they actually go for price-wise if you can, you know, they don't make him anymore. So if you can find one, I'm not sure what, I'm sure they're commanding a premium. But I don't know. It's probably like a B, maybe even an A tier. B's my gut feeling on it too. Okay. I think that's good. We'll go B.

Okay. All right. How about the seated? Seated neck work. For this example, I'm using the seated four-way neck machine, which I haven't seen it yet. Did Huck Finn have one? Did he have a neck machine? No, he did not. Okay. Someone did on that tour that they had a seated four-way neck machine, I think. The Y had one back in the day. Did it really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they still, I mean, they still haven't. I can't remember it. Yeah, it's one of the very first. machines it was the maroon padded machines not the blue ones but it's one of very first maroon ones when you're closest to the desk when you walk in upstairs i think it's it's either the very first one or the second one is that uh i'm sure i'm right quite sure it's still there do you know who makes that one that they have i think those maroon padded machines i can't remember

see there again i just didn't pay enough closer i don't i have to think about brant like now i just would never look at a machine and not just I know, start by the brand. Like start by the brand and go from there, but I can't remember. They're a little bit older machines, but yeah, I'm not sure. I think it's just,

um, mostly a waste of time for most people. But what about so much so? What about the old iron neck? Yeah, I've got that. You can do that sitting on your ass or standing. I guess that's, universal in that way.

I think if you're not a fighter or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or a boxer or I don't know, I'm sure there's other ways to justify it and that it makes some sense. I don't want to yuck anyone else's yum, but I just think

that there's more valuable things for most people to be doing in the gym than sitting down on the four-way neck machine and doing it four directions. So you're doing it almost like four lifts. You do like each one, three sets of ten. You can just kill like 15 minutes

on the four way neck machine. The four directions are coming from. Is it forward, back, side, left and right? Is that their four directions? Yeah,

okay. Yeah, because it's like, do, do it do it. Gotcha. I was like, that's almost like an F to me.

I think that's justified here. It's actually hard finding a good photo of one. Do you know, is the one there? It's selectorized, I'm assuming, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm sure it is. It's just hard to find a decent photo of one. Yeah, there's no place over there. actually using the machine and it's selectorized and it's also not a photo from 40 years ago. Those often, that seems like a from 40 years ago machine most of the time. Well, it does, yes.

Most of those that exist are 40 years old. Yeah. Okay. Well, this probably isn't the exact one, but I'm going to go with the Cybex unit here. We said F, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Next up on the list. Let's go with overhead press. And we're also going to in this, so we're talking seated overhead press, we're going to lump in like incline press to this too, right? Yeah. So also this could, you could sit on your ass and use dumbbells or sit on your ass with a barbell or sit on your ass on a machine. You can do overhead press a lot of ways.

It's the beauty of it. Very versatile. But this is really one of the better movements on this list, if you ask me. I'm a big fan of the incline press. specifically. I like it a lot. It's a nice variation to add in where you also don't have to just,

in comparison to the flat bench, you know, you're loading it lighter, but you're also getting a really good stimulus out of it and it's still challenging. I mean, to me, this is probably at least an A tier. Also, you can just do a lot, like, the overhead, you can do this with many different implements, where some of these it's just very much machine dependent,

whereas the seated overhead press. There's a lot of different ways to do that. I'm just thinking about what that all even means. And I'm like, oh, it's so versatile in that way. The seated overhead press, even from a standpoint. Yeah, I think it's an A. I think that that's good. You still only have one S, huh?

What do you have? How about the seated, I don't know if we're lumping these together, but seated ab machine. So either seated ab crunches or the, what about the rotary torso movement, sitting and twisting your abdomen horizontally. Okay. The rotary one seems even,

like the seated ab crunch, I can kind of see that. The rotary one seems a little out there. The seeded ab crunch at the Y I did use all of the time. Yeah, I can see how. That was the first blue machine and the blue machine closest to the desk. Also, Rory has the seated ab machine.

Well, okay. Do you consider that seated? Because that thing is like lying down on his. Like you're like on your back. Yeah, you're like on your back on the one he had. No, that's not seated then.

The one at the Y was definitely. Oh, was okay, okay. Or you're like literally like pulling yourself down into it. Like you're in the chair just like this and doing it. His must be a little different than though. I mean,

it's sort of kind of in a way reminds me of the pullover machine. Yeah, I know. I mean, it is kind of a little similar to that in a way, too. But, or should we just rank the rotary torso? I think they got to be different. Yeah, I think you got to go the rotary torso. Let's just, we're just going to do the rotary torso.

I like that. I like that more. Because it's funnier. That is goofy, very, very goofy to me. And if you're going to need to work your abs. or your obliques. There's so many ways to do that that aren't dependent on sitting on your ass.

And then working this twist you on it. So to me, that's like a C or an F. Yeah, I'm trying to decide if it justifies an F. We'll roll with F for now. Okay. We'll add some more to the F. Kind of an audible here. I don't think we had this on the list.

You could say the good girl, bad girl machine. Yeah, I wondered about that, actually. also never used that machine either I used it at the Y a little bit not very often Yeah Abduction versus adduction It's sort of just like a

Well The what's the adduction What the gluteator doesn't really have a way of doing that Right Which what are you saying Oh as I say it's sort of is just like the gluteator does A lot of this already in a better way probably.

Yeah, the gluteator does abduction. Yeah, but that was what I was saying is that, yeah, you don't have an adduction. No, it does not. Yeah, you are. And again, there, I never really use it. Most commercial gyms have those. They do.

Actually, they always have those. It's a very common piece to see. Not very common in a home gym, though. I can tell you that. I never have even heard anyone, someone talk about it in a home gym. Well, no way, Jose talked about it a little bit. Okay, he did.

Wait, did he have one though? Did he have a prime? Is there a prime one? That's what I'm trying to remember. Did he have the prime one or was he talking about getting the prime one? I can't remember. I don't remember that. Yeah, because you guys talked about it on camera.

Like there was a discussion about it. Okay. So what, where do you put that in the tier list? It's like a B or a C. I was going to lean towards C on it. Where do we put the Gluteator? The Gluteator's B. So this has to be a notch below.

Okay. I don't think it's necessarily F, but yeah, it does belong one notch below it. Okay. What about seated tricep extensions? Sometimes I actually have to think out what you're saying because it just... You know, there's this version where you're... If it's on a machine, the handles are like this, it's almost like a preacher curl thing where you're going like this.

You know, I know they have it at like Los Campione. So I've done it there before. Yeah. I mean, most commercial gyms like that have one. So sitting down to do tricep extension, sitting down on your ass to do tricep extensions. Yeah, this just feels like one that there's so many ways to hit that already. That's what I would think, too.

Like can the machine do it good? I don't know. probably. But there just are a lot of other ways to do that. I guess, I don't know if you'd lump it in here, but you know, seated cable head or seated cable tricep extensions. The same.

Let's forget that. Let's just do this machine where you're sitting here and it's like the preacher curl up tricep extensions. It's probably a C or an F, isn't it? I think C is fair. Okay. I like how all of these photos because so many of it are commercial pieces,

it relies on the really just generic looking, like early 2000s version of what commercial Jim equipment looks like and the people that use it. Yep. That image, that way of marketing these machines has definitely changed over the years a little bit. Like they don't use images that look like that anymore. Yes.

What have we got left? Okay, pullover's done. What is left on the top? Oh, seated leg. press. Yeah, so a seated leg press. Not a regular. Not a regular leg press.

This is a seated one. I mean, I don't think I've ever been to a gym that has one of these things. We've been to home gyms that have these. Didn't Jungle Gym reviews? Didn't he have one in there? Yeah. And Matt Wallace,

the AFS hip press is kind of like a seated leg press. Yeah, that sort of is just, I mean, yeah, actually it is. But at the same time, that thing is just kind of a beast of its own too. Right. I mean, the knock against these is you just have to go really heavy, don't you? Like, you have to really load up to get any weight on it.

Yeah, you don't have the, yeah, you don't have the, the Y did have one in their line of machines, too. They did have a seated leg press. I used it occasionally over the years. It seems more like a machine you just seen a physical therapy clinic to me. Yes, that's true. That is what it feels like usually. Because the machine itself is on like a 10 degrees. angle, you know.

Yeah. They actually, I see these in two different ways. Sometimes where you're sitting is the part that moves. And sometimes like the AFS hip press, you know, the platform moves away from you. But sometimes you actually are moving yourself away from a fixed platform, almost more like a rower. Yeah, I kind of, I don't know. It's like I don't like that seated movement and bringing my knees in my chest. So it bugs my back.

And then I think if you're going to do it, you would just rather go with a regular leg press. Like a good leg press. And then it just has the knock of you have to really load it up to get anything out of it because gravity's not doing anything on this one. Right? Yeah. So where would that put it like a C?

I think so. Okay. See it up. Make it so. Boom. Okay. One of the last normal ones in our list. It's a seated.

Yes, a seated chest press. So this almost has to be a machine. And like at Massonomics Gym, we have a red Sybex one. Hammer Strength has multiple seated chest press options. Most of those companies that make commercial or even really home gym style machines, like there's a seated chest press option very frequently. Yeah, if I'm going to put out a hypo meat. It does feel like this one is a little bit higher on the height meter, especially in the home gym circles.

Right. It also is one of the machines that the jammer arm enthusiasts that they're just constantly trying to replicate with their jammer arms is some type of seated chest press, right? Like that's, isn't that kind of like the exercise? Right. Just all types of. I've done a lot of seated chest press in there. When I was in Kuwait for a year, I did a lot of chess presses there.

when I was at the Y over the years, I did my fair share of seated chest presses. Maybe if you're a bodybuilder, there's more reason to do it. Here's the problem with them. Is this movement is so dependent on the machine. Yes. That your starting point can really, like,

you know, to be a snob here, the range of motion can be really inhibited or hurt by the machine because, like, I remember thinking the one at Massonomics Gym, It just feels like you're kind of starting out. It's not bad. Like the movement itself is fine. You know,

the movement pattern you're going through. But it just feels like, like you're not getting that deep stretch on that one, are you? Right? Isn't it a little more in front of you? Well, you can adjust it. It's got five.

Oh, it doesn't have those pins in the back? Yeah. Maybe that's why I was. You never wanted to adjust the pins though because it's a pain because there's already like a plate on it. Yeah. And there's a one through five adjustment.

But because the way it is, the deeper you go, like there's no foot release. on that one. I know. So you're just pinned, you're pinned back in that starting position is also the other problem. And then people say, well,

you put blocks in it. And then it's like, well, I do a lot to get this damn machine to work the way I want it to. I don't like that machine all that much, that Sybex one. I went through a few training blocks of actually using that in there as an accessory. People do occasionally use it.

Yeah. I did for a while. I would just say, if I was serious, I would just do incline bench pressing and get way more out of it. But, yeah. I don't know. It's probably C-ish tier, maybe B.

I could see it as a B, just comparing it to some of the other ones. Where the hell would my photo go? It really is machine-dependent, like you said, though, I think, too. Yeah, because the starting position on this one really does factor in a lot into how the movement goes. And then, you know, some are more converging, some are more straight out. Right. There's also that factor two, and then, yeah, there's the angle of the seat. It's big strength curve issues.

Well, obviously, that goes without saying. Now we get to some of our more wild. We've got a few wild cards here that we can decide if, do they all make the list? Do some not even make the list? If some make the list, where do they fall? Oh, I found the exact Massonomics one here, I think. Yeah, it even has the SNAP fitness embroidery on it. Oh, that is, might be, was that one from Massonomics, Jim?

I mean, that's the exact one, isn't it? Syvex Converging Chess Press plate loaded. Yeah, that's the unit. Did you pay $9.50 for yours? No. I didn't pay very, the nice thing about that machine, it's really light and not that big of a footprint. Yeah.

The bad thing about it is it just doesn't feel that good. I agree. Okay. All right. Okay. Here's our wild cards. Let's start here. Box squats.

Is that a seated exercise? Do box squats belong on the list? You do sit down. It's a real hybrid. It's a real hybrid in the way that the exercise has a moment of sitting, but it's not the way the movement is performed in its entirety. Because I think there's a real problem there. It happens when you stand up each time.

you leave your ass. Your ass leaves the seat. By design, it's like the entire point of the lift is that. Yeah, it's like, oh, you're getting to the good part

and then you have to leave it. Yeah, none of these other like 16 items on the list involved leaving the seat. Unless you're just done. Like, that's how you know you're done is you leave the seat.

Right. This you're like, you get up, you sit down and you get, so are you sitting on your ass? It seems like more stant, maybe if it's just like percentage of time involved in the lift,

So you have to be at least be sitting for half of it. Right. And I feel like, you know, if you consider how long it takes to sit down and get up both, you can't be sitting, you're not sitting for, you're sitting for under half the time, like maybe a third of the time. Yeah, it's probably it. I just don't know if it's a seated exercise if you're only sitting one third of the time of the exercise. That's very true.

Okay. So does that mean they might not go on the list then? Is that what we're saying? Well, I don't know. Or is it just a bad seated exercise because you're not really. sitting all that much. See, that's the problem is, you know, a lot of box squats are actually a pretty good exercise. Right.

But, you know, in the context of a seated exercise. Yeah. I mean, you could, you could make the argument. This is an F tier seated exercise because you're not embracing the seat. But some people are going to read this and think that it's an, it's an, it's an, we're saying it's an F tier exercise. I think it's more it doesn't make the list. Okay.

Now that we've talked about. I was thinking it's an F tier because it's not really very good at being seated, but it is probably it doesn't make the list. Okay. How about wall sits? You know, it's kind of like pretending you're sitting. So you are sit, you are in the seated position the entire time, although your ass rests against nothing. And that feels like a problem, doesn't it?

It does. But I don't know, you really are mimicking the seat. It's like, it's kind of like overload training for when you get to the seat, you know, like once you get to the seat, it makes it really easy because it's actually there. Because you're really good at being in that position. Like you're training the position. Even the seat. Kind of tough to load. You know, you could get a partner to put some plates on your on your lap or something.

I usually just have the partner sit on my lap. That's also one way to do it. Yeah, if it's a good way to get to know your partners too. In a very straight way. It's in a purely hetero way, obviously. I'm as straight as they come, but I love partner wall sits. But when Tanner's doing wall sits, the guys line up. I'm not sure if that's sitting by the true...

Maybe this one belongs in an F tier. This is an F tier seated exercise. Just because you're not really getting to sit on it. Yeah, body weight seated exercises. It's like the trickiest one on the list. It's like, no. It's funny because everything else in F tier is that either has a seat or someone sitting down and the city, you're like, well, it's like, what picture is not like the other?

It's like, well, the one where there's no seat. She's pretending. Like you photoshopped out there. the seat. And what else do we got on this list here? Turkish get up, I think, is a no. There's a moment of sitting during a Turkish get up because you are, you're kind of laying down.

That's also a strike against the seated exercises. You kind of sit for a little bit halfway. It's not even a true sit as part of the problem. You're like leaning. And then you, there again, the problem is you get up. It's right in the name. It's not called the Turkish sit. It's called the Turkish get up.

So I almost think that doesn't make the list because there's that little gotcha on there. Like it's like the whole time all you're trying to do is stop sitting. Like you're trying to get through the sit is so quickly. Right. Or all these other ones we're trying to put more weight on so we can just be stuck in that, you know, really dry home, that seated position. Right. Okay. How about a recumbent bike?

You know, it's like a bicycle where you get to really, really sit down on it. You really sit on your ass. Yeah. You know, it doesn't have one of those. little little flimsy bicycle seats it's got like a whole recliner seat to plop your ass down on yeah because you could almost also make you could start to logic just an actual bike you know so you say a peloton or a spin bike or a analog peloton but those really aren't seats you're standing a lot and it's like almost more of just a position it is a seat I know I mean the saddle is a seat in the

classical sense it is a seat but like we're talking typically most the seats we're working with here like the seats truly sitting on your A foot wide. A lot of these have a back to the seat even. That's not your standard bicycle seat there by any means. So we're recumbent bike to really fit the category. It's also our only cardio item on the list. Yeah, I think recumbent bikes, you said something before was just for like therapy centers.

I mean, recumbent bikes are just for really old people that can't do anything else. That's typically what I see. I think people have them on Jim Raynor, though, don't they? Don't, am I wrong here? I mean, it's by far the easiest form of cardio that could ever exist. I'm not even sure. It would be the hardest part about a recumbent bike would be being able to make yourself work hard enough to get your heart rate up very high. There are, when I just type in recumbent, there's one, two, three, four.

There's eight bikes and most of them are owned by one. Two of them are owned by two. So we're talking eight, nine, ten people on Jim Rider have recumbent bikes. I mean, it's a great way to just sit on your. ass and almost not doing anything in that way. Like, it's great to sit on your ass. Well, actually, for that matter, you know, the, a rower kind of does skirt the line here between, between bike seat and just regular ass sitting seat in the way that it is a little

beefier. That's a little closer to a regular seat than a bike. It is. It is. But you kind of are moving on that seat, you know. But you never stop sitting. But you never stop sitting. So what, okay, wait, are we saying recumbent bike is like an F tier?

Or are we saying C because it's cardio? See because it's cardio and cardio starts with C. Is that the logic we're going with? Is this like the cookie monster version of tierless now? Cardio starts with C. This is the cookie monster tier list. A cookie monster tier list. It's just whatever letter the thing starts with,

that's the category it goes in. It just revolves on. Oh, cookie. Illiteration. Cookie starts a C. Benchpress B. The cookie monster to you list. It's so stupid.

Ah, so recumbent bike went an F, even though it doesn't start with an F. We're breaking our rule, yes. And we'd like to assure everyone, we know Recombin Bike does not start with an F, but we're still going to put it there. And the last one, then, are we going to add the rower to the lower to the list? list or is that not making the list? Well, you sit on your ass the whole time. You do sit on your ass.

It is a pretty iconic piece. A lot of people have it. I think maybe we should make an exception and add it in here. All right. For cardio, as far as cardio sitting on your ass, I'm a rower guy. I like rowers.

It's a very highly rated piece of equipment. I mean, it actually is not crazy to say this is an S-tier item. It's not by any means. I mean, I'm flirting with that. I feel like it fits better in A because I like S is. I think A is an easy safe bet.

The S tier is putting it out there a little more, but it'd be hard to knock someone. It's close to an S to me, but I feel better in A still probably. Like I, it probably almost is an S to me as far as sitting on your ass and doing, because you can sit purely on your ass and do some intense cardio on a rower and never leave your ass. which that's not easy to do.

No. To just sit straight down on your ass and just do intense cardio and just wreck yourself. Sitting on your ass the entire time. What can you do that on besides a rower? A recumbent bike's kind of a joke. Yeah, recumbent bike's not getting you there. No. Okay, yeah, I like that.

Although the rower really is just, where did we rank the, oh, we did put it in A. Actually, yes, perfect logic. Because it is just the seated row. just the cardio version. It is exactly that. Seated row. It is for time.

For very light weight, for reps, for a lot of reps. That is funny. I wasn't sure where you were going with that. But yeah, the seated row and the ISO row are both in A. So yeah, by that logic, the rower does make sense to be in A with it. And we wound up there from a different way. And so it without even realized it. Because I was like, wait, if we.

moved that somewhere else, how is this different just because it's lighter and more reps? Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Okay. So that we ranked everything. Now, do we have any changes? We only have one. Do we need to review quickly where we're at? Let's start. Okay, should we start at F tier? Because I don't think. All right. So F tier, we have the, what's the official name for this? The seated grip. Yeah, the hand that, yeah, the seated grip. Seated grip machine. We have the, the, the four-way neck machine. I also like how this picture has poles. First I thought this guy had a cane in the photo. I didn't realize those were like the bracing poles. Do you know what I'm talking about here?

Yeah. Do you see those? Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, it has these like bracing poles that come out. There's the rotary torso, the Walsit and the recumbent bike are all enough here. That's a pretty good lineup. If you're building a gym, none of those should be high on your priority list. Actually, I'll make an exception.

No Walsit can be on your priority list because it doesn't take up any room. It takes nothing. I will also note I do want that hammer strength. Seated machine thing. Well, as I said, starting a gym. Not if you're 10 years into a gym. C tier. We have the preacher curl bench,

the seated dip machine, the adduction machine, the seated tricep. Oh, what we call it? Seated tricep extension. Yeah. A seated leg press and the seated chest press, all in C tier.

I think those are all good there, aren't they? The only one I'm thinking is I could make a case for chest press going up one. Could you? I don't know that it has to. I just, some of those others seem worse than that CET to me than that one because some chest presses are good. That's what big chest press would want you to believe is that this is a superior machine.

This thing, you know, you're buying jammer arms to emulate this movement in all variations. Okay. The thing about the jammer arms is you're going through so much work just to get that one machine that is at bet. I'll admit, at best, a B tier. Sit on your ass movement. Yeah, right. Okay, well, we'll come back to that one at the end here. B tier, we got seated calf rays, seated leg curl, the peck deck and the gluteator.

I think those are all good there, aren't they? It makes sense. If I think about it too much. I don't think any of those make sense. I don't think any of those blogging A tier. I don't need to, I don't want to think about it too much harder of what's in B and what's in C and how it's different. Or also the whole, the whole pyramid will crumble and I won't understand any of it anymore. It's all held up with a toothpick.

Yes. A tier, we have the leg extension, the hammer strength, iso, lateral row. Yes. The seated low row. Yes. Pull over. The incline bench or seated overhead press. the rower, man, that's a good row. That's good stuff there.

And then S tier, we have the lat pull-down machine. And I think that's an S-tier. I think that's the only S-tier in the list. We're sitting on your house. I think you're right. Also, it's funny now that I look at this list, kind of does mimic. The movements I actually do are in like S&A tier.

And then the lower you go down, the more it just turns into, yeah, no, I just don't do that. Well, F, like, for example. My, let's just say my recumbent bike's been pretty lonely lately. F, nobody's doing any of the things is kind of what that category is. Yeah, well, mostly because people don't have the money or space for a four-way neck machine. Well, and people don't have the money or space because if you have the money or space, you're buying ten other things before that stuff. When you say you don't have the money or space, it's because, yeah, those are.

so far down the list of things anyone would ever buy. Because people don't really have the money or space for a leg extension leg curl, but like, of course you're getting that and not a four-way neck machine. Like, it's an absurd thought that someone's getting a rotary torso. You know what? I really haven't been able to work without a machine. My rotary torso movement.

Just, ever since I left a commercial gym, I've just been just craven one of these machines. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good list. Well, so what, did we decide the chest press is moving up a notch then? Is that what you're... I'll give that one. Mostly only saying that now because it makes the list look a little more uniform.

Okay. That's all the excuse I need to hear. We'll go with it. Even though we can have a poor starting position, it's extremely dependent on what the machine is set up, and it can be a famous up. The very machine I have, which is in that picture. The machine we have, we don't worry like either.

But with all those feet, that's more of a C, but... The idea of it could be a B. And that's, you know what, in the home gym space, more than anything, a lot of times it's the idea of it that really matters. It's the idea. Sometimes it's just the idea of having a little sit ski on your ass ski. Exactly. All right.

Wow, what a great list. And last leg extension should be an S. That's the one that a lot of people would make a strong Arbman for. To me, it's not, but a lot of people are this. I agree. I agree. Let's leave it there. but it's it yeah let's leave it there i think it's more it's more polarizing if the only one we have

in there is lap pull downs and people like the hell's that one in there for by itself i don't like it yeah like if you told me you can take one out of eight here and move it up i i mean i'm not taking leg extension i would pick oh me either if i'm picking what i actually like want to be able to know i mean god no that would be the last one out of the list i would pick it basically I'd pick it lower than the rower. Right. Because I'd be like the rower is good cardio. Which is funny that you're like when it actually comes down to,

hey, here's here's one, two, three, four, five. Here's six items. And if you can only pick one of them, we're both agreeing that the leg extension is the last one on that list that we're going to take with us. What on all of everything in the list is the best you did exercise just to you personally. When we're not factoring anything else, like it, if you're like you can only have,

one of these exercises on the list. What are you sticking with? I mean, it is the lap pulldown. Like, that's the one that I use, you know, every week. I think it's a great exercise. It's a great way to, I mean, it's a great way to hit your lats. I mean, that would be the one I would take. I'm not going to take seated calf raise.

I was going to say, just quickly scanning, I could easily wipe out FC&B immediately. Oh, yeah. Without even thinking too hard. So then if I'm looking at. The S and H here. Like the top three exercises. Leg extensions out.

I don't need that. Pull over is out. I don't need that. Yeah. It's let pull down low row and incline press. Yeah. Say it again. That pull down low row and incline press.

Yeah. Or any time of seated row. Just lap pull down seated rows and incline and overhead press. Yeah. Like there you're doing some actual work. Right. Like you're getting some shit done there. You know, you can't tell me you're doing those exercises hard and not getting bigger and

stronger. Right. You could be doing leg extension hard. And you might get bigger, maybe. I don't know if you get stronger. I don't know. Maybe you do. Maybe, maybe not.

But you could just live so easily without the leg extension machine. That's what I'm saying. You could live with all of these without all of them. But I just think the carryover. Because you can just do pull-ups and, you know, figure out different ways to do pull-ups. You just not do incline press or overhead press. Right. Right.

Well, you can do standing overhead press, too. which I like standing overhead press but yeah I like that list that's good all right nailed it yeah we definitely talked me out of

thinking that leg extension could go to S it almost belongs more than B that does S you're not totally wrong we move it to F I don't want it in S I'd like it in F now

you know what scratch that it's going down we'll leave it there We'll call it quits there. All right. That's our list. So let us know in the comments. What do you agree with?

What do you disagree with? What exercises did we not include where you get to sit down on your bum bum and do a little lifting, sometimes very little lifting? What did we miss? But the formula for your comment, if it's critical of us at all in any way, if it's anything other than just agreeing with everything in our take, let us know. What did we say that offended you the most? You say, in my incorrect opinion, dot, dot, dot, fill it in. What did we say that shook you to your core? But I do think we kind of nailed this tier list again, didn't we?

Yeah, I mean, we did. There's not even room for discussion. We did it. It's like the eighth or ninth time on a tier list that we've just absolutely nailed it. Well, you do a few of these. You get it down. I mean, did we do all the tier lists now? Are we ever going to even be able to come up with another thing?

Well, we've got to do that cookie monster tier list, but then after that. Oh, yeah, we're probably good after that. Yeah, a cookie monster tier list. Not the count tier list. I was actually thinking, like, we could do the top 10 list from the count. One, ah, ah, ah. It's just the numbers.

Two, or wait, is that the count? Yeah, that's count. I think so, yeah. And then it says, uh, ah, ah. Any other Sesame Street references for this? My kids are never big Sesame Street people, so I don't actually have a whole. whole lot of it. I'm banking, my Sesame Street knowledge comes more from my own personal experience.

Me too. None of my kids watch Sesame Street. Yeah, I don't just. I like Sesame Street when I was a kid. I think it's good. Yeah. We also had horse shit options probably. Oh, right. Of course they don't like Sesame Street. Like, look at all the crazy crap there is to watch. Like, there is some insane stuff out there. Yes. Yeah. Of course they don't like Sesame Street. But I liked it. Who's your favorite character on Sesame Street? street.

Who's S-tier? Big Bird and Elmo are probably S-tier. They're the all-stars of it, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think Elmo's a little overrated. Well, I mean, he has probably is the most successful toy line, you know. Oh, yeah. Tickle me, Elmo. That thing was fire. I kind of like Bert and Ernie.

Yeah. Just two bros just living there. I'm a straight as they come, but I liked the relationship that Bert and Ernie had going on. Whatever that is. I don't know what they were doing behind closed doors and were Bert and Ernie straight or what's the story? I don't know. Frankly, that's none of my business. Kind of my thought about it.

They weren't brothers, were they? I don't know. That's also none of my business. How you two are related? No concern. to me. Ernie. Okay, I was just figuring out in my head which is which.

Oscar the Grouch was not all that pleasant, typically speaking. Not usually. Big bird, pretty big. Probably a pretty good lifter. Probably, yeah. He's a bird's got hollow bones, but. Yeah, structurally speaking, maybe not. I actually sort of as a pencil neck too, kind of.

It's a pencil neck. Hollow bones and a pencil neck. I don't know. Maybe not. Actually, we've had this conversation before, right? I mean, we've talked about Grover before because I was just thinking about.

I was just going to Grover next and I'm like, I do remember about Grover now. Yep. Yep. Yep. Because Grover is a poor man's blue Elmo. Uh-huh. Yeah, I think I made that,

we made that comment that time. Mm-hmm. Yep, we're going down this road. We've been down this road before. Grover feels like he just disappeared. and like isn't even in the cast almost to me. I don't know.

Like can you picture a Grover bit? Well, no, but I have a hard time picturing any of the bits is the problem. Well, you know, you can picture Oscar in his can, like being grumpy.

Yeah. The count doing his thing where he's counting. Bert and Ernie doing a thing and like Ernie's in a bathtub doing like his rubber ducky song. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Yes. Big Bird being. a big bird. It's kind of his bed doing big bird stuff. Like, Elmo talking to whatever real people are on the show and laughing and doing that voice. But what did Grover do? What did Grover do?

Cookie Monster, and shoveling cookies. Cookie Monster ate cookies like Stone Cold Steve Austin drank beers. Yeah. You know. Not all that much went in. No, but you do enough of them. And all of a sudden you've accidentally consumed a few, you know?

That's kind of the stone cold. You pour enough over your face. Eventually you drank a few beers. Ten beers just on towards the direction of your mouth. You are just going to drink a certain amount of them. You just fling chocolate chip cookie particles at your gullet long enough. Like some go in. Some hits.

Lucky that dude didn't choke. Just throwing like cookie bits straight into his throat. Be the end of it right there. Yeah, but Grover. Someone in the comments, let me know what it is Grover ever did. I picture Grover wearing like a knight's helmet and carrying a sword sometimes like that was a bit. I don't know.

It's not ringing a bell for me at all. I feel like you don't remember Sesame Street. Oh, not very well at all. No. I come to think of it, I've never watched it before. I've just been agreeing with you most of the time. I actually don't even know what we're talking about here. But also things came from Sesame Street like that.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Maybe we've talked about that on the podcast before. Like, does that ring a bell to you when I say that thing? Not really, no. Okay. Like, you've never heard that little jingle? I don't know. I'm not sure.

It's just, it's not really meaning anything, but. Okay. If I said it again, would it help? No, it wouldn't because I already got it in my head, but I'm like, I don't know, have I heard that before or not? I'm not even really sure. It wasn't that complex of a jingle. I did get it down the first time, but he counted one to 12 in a certain pattern.

I did keep up, but I don't, I'm not sure if that means anything to me or not. It doesn't really, which means it probably does it. All right. That's enough about Sesame Street, doesn't it? Yeah, probably. These other topics, I think they can honestly all wait. They can all wait. Right.

Let's see. Do we want to do a radar report this week or not? Oh, we are at the two hour and seven minute, Mark. How detailed is the radar report? Well, I have two. I have two weeks for the radar reports backed up here. I don't know if we want to do it, though. If it's really good, we might want to just get talking on it for a long-ass time.

Yeah, I actually think I could see how one of these for sure could lead and do much larger. We'll table it. We're putting it on pause. You'll just have to tune in next week. I've got one really, really fast radar report that requires no, like we can just be over with it in 30 seconds. All right. The clock has started.

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