Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 532: Do Training Syles Actually Matter?

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

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If you don't follow Massonomics, you all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massonomics. We're back for episode 532 of the Massonomics podcast. That's right. season two, episode 32 of your favorite podcast series, now in its second season. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy.

Tanner, it did not even dawn on me last week until I went back to edit the episode. And I saw episode 531. And I thought, wow, we really missed some opportunities here. We should have got Jim on the phone for you just a couple of minutes, shouldn't we? It would have been the time to do it. Yeah. Well, there's always like... 1,531 to do it.

Yeah. So just in 20 years from now. That's it. That's it. Yeah, we did drop the ball on that, didn't we? Is there anything with 532 that we should be doing? Quick. We'll completely change the episode plan.

I got nothing. Yeah. Me either. We'll think of it next week. We'll think of it a week too late. But this week, what I want to think about right now is barefoot shoes. Do you want $20 off your order? That's great. It's the perfect time.

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First of all, I'm curious, though, are you drinking anything over there? Do you have anything ready to be drinking over there? I do. I'm very thirsty too. I am back on the polar pink apple and lemon. You're back on that bullshit. What do you got there? Oh, I thought you'd never ask.

I've got a bubbly orange cream. Oh, I'm pretty excited into dipping into this thing. I do have, took a stand against, on a beverage situation here. I was a big proponent of the, big proponent of the,

what the hell, the fair life's at Costco. You know, I could have swore a year ago when I started buying these things. You know, Dr. Taddywaffles gave us our first taste of them. and I was impressed. You know, we're talking like 30 grams of protein.

Tastes great. Real good chocolatey flavor. And I think an 18 pack, I could have swore was like $28 when I first started buying them. So a little over a dollar, but they're mixed nice. They taste great. I can handle that.

And slowly they've been creeping up, and now they've $40 for an 18 pack, and that's just too much to me. It's too much. I took a stand against it, and so now the cheaper options by not much are those Nuri, ones or whatever that you had the one time.

And the last time I went, they had the muscle milk on sale for a pretty significant discount. Does not taste nearly as good. But it's the principle of it all. They're much more affordable. So you're off the team. Actually, I'm saying Fair Life's off my team. You're demoting them off the team altogether. Yeah, too much.

And actually, even, it's funny because even the last time I was checking out, it was like a younger guy. They'll come around and help you scan the bigger things. And he goes, oh, man, those Fair Lives, oh, I used to buy those things. But, man, they're just too expensive. I had to quit doing it. I'm like, I'm right there with you, buddy.

This is probably the last time I'm doing it. And that was the last time. Inflation, am I right? Thanks, Obama. Yeah, God, dang. We, for, I don't think I ever mentioned this on the podcast, the regular Fair Life chocolate milk. It was on some crazy sale at Walmart.

Yeah, you did say that. Did you guys buy a ton of them? Yeah, we bought like 20 of them. And the joke, like legitimately we had 20, our downstairs fridge was just completely packed with them. And our joke when we first got them was like, uh, like we just opened the first one. And I'm like, oh, is that the last one? Like that's how fast they were going to go. It's like, oh, last one right here. And I said that like five times on the first ones.

And then all of a sudden it was like, yep, here's the last one. It went that fast. Short lived. Yep. But you were living the high life for a little bit. Our whole family was just drinking Fair Life chocolate milk like it was water. We just had that IV. I mean, I didn't drink that much of it, but I was just,

we all had IVs with Fair Life chocolate milk drips. It was like, this must be how rich people live. They're hooked up to their fair life dispensers. And now everyone's just going through withdrawals over there. Yeah. Yeah, that's, you know someone's wealthy when they're drinking that fair life. It's a real sustain. that a symbol.

Like that and a pair of lift shorts, am I right? The classic symbols of wealth. Classic 2019 joke. Make lift short being expensive funny again. Something, something words. We talked for years like, Matt, that joke just doesn't die. The whole bit just keeps on going. I don't think it'll ever end.

And you know what? I mean, I think it's fair. We can have the full burial in here, right here, right now. That joke is dead. There's a couple things, though. One was, it was kind of forced to die by. True. Certain pressures.

Yeah. The man. The man. Yeah, let's say corporate America forced that one out of existence. So you can think the suits for that one. And, I mean, that was the major blow to it. But then, I don't know if you know, but we've made a ton of content over the years.

At a certain point, we had to make room for other jokes, you know. I think if anyone wanted to bring it back, we could in a hurry. Right. We did just kind of have to make room for other jokes, though, didn't we? Yeah, it's kind of been our favorite to sort of let it die, though. Yeah. Rest in peace, expensive lift shorts jokes. I still like when people, like, I'll see the most random people pull that out of the woodwork.

You know what I even like our most core supporting members, but just like random people across the internet be like, oh yeah the expensive shorts guys. I'm like, all right, they still know. They've been around. They know what's up. Yeah, it's not like, we aren't the gym tour guys to them. We're still the expensive shorts guys.

Actually, that is funny to think about, yes, because a lot of people we are the gym tour guys. But there is a group or the expensive shorts guys. This bubbly orange cream is straight fire. It's straight fire in a good way. It's like drinking fire. So did you have a little, a perfect little training session? Yeah.

Went to, Did you call it a perfect little training session? I mean, it could have been a little better on my end, but the environment, the gym did not disappoint. That was perfect. Yeah, I went over to Big Bryce's, perfect little sweeties, do you get a little squat session in, you know, we're starting to get to where there's some heavier weights involved.

So sometimes you're like, oh, maybe I'll change up the scenery, have a lot. a real spotter, you know, do the whole thing. I figured you just went over there just for the double standing leg curl. Well, I mean, that was the main reason. I'm just, these other things are excuses. But yeah, that was actually the main reason. Yeah, I went there, had a big squat day.

And I specifically did not look in juggernaut what my squat day would be before because I knew I'd be thinking about it too much. I mean, I knew it was an RP 10 day, so I knew it was going to be big. Right. Once I started warming up and hit the button and I saw, oh, your top set supposed to be $4.95 for a triple. I'm like, damn, five plates for a triple? Like, where's this coming from?

I've never done this before, like ever. Like, not even close. I don't know if I've ever done 495, ever, five plates. For more than one rep. I've never done five plates for more than one rep on a squat. You've never done five plates or more for anything more than one rep. Exactly, yeah. Yeah.

Even when I squatted 540, I mean, leading up to that, I thought my squat was a lot. You hadn't done, uh, no, because I remember thinking leading up to that, my squat, well, also, we were terrible. at Peking kind of then. Right, right. Leading up to that, I thought my squat was like in the low fives. And so it was a few weeks out,

and I took like 500-ish for a single. That was only my second time ever touching it. And it flew. And then I was like, oh, no, there's a lot more here. But I never took multiple reps of, right,

you know, anything there. So, yeah, when I saw the triple, I'm like, damn, okay, here we go.

And, I mean, warmups were feeling fast and easy. And, yeah, took, so we did $4. And the first one went,

really fast. And then the second one, it just, actually watched them back, it moved, it moved fine. But in my head, it just felt like misgroved

and it felt odd and off. And then I'm like, just in my head, I'm like, nope, nope, we did it. We did it four reps.

We have now done it four reps. Yeah. I can live to die another day. Just post four 95, four reps. Yeah, how many? Well,

it was multiple reps. Let's just leave it at that. And I'm like, you know what? I hit my double. Chold juggernaut. it was like, so did you two,

did two or three and you're like, juggernaut, it was for reps. Let's just put it that way. It was for reps, juggernaut. I put F-E-R for reps in there. And I, you know, I put it out a nine and a half. It was probably a nine, but I probably couldn't take it.

But in my aging body over here, you just got to know when to save that final hurrah for the right time. So I let it ride, let it go and finish out the session. That wasn't your peaking day. Or I mean, that wasn't your grand. goal of the entire training session wasn't to hit 495 for three on that day. No, it was not. And also, I think my biggest squat leading up to this at this point had was like

465 for 4. So, I mean, it was a big jump. But, yeah. Yeah. And then Bryce, Bryce hit some big bench in. You know, we got some standing double-leg curls in. Got to touch some, you know, York roundheads. I got to look at your 160 pound dumbbells there.

Did you pick up the 160s? No, I left them right down to the pile of the oldest. For a ride. I did not want to even touch them. Did they look big? They looked very large. Actually, the whole pile they're in, I think, like, every dumbbell is, like, one-third of, like, one-thirty or bigger.

It's just, man, that is a lot of weight over there. I always like what I didn't even given to almost always at any given time. I have gym equipment that's somewhere else, you know, just waiting for. Not even just somewhere else, like scattered all over the country, sort of, actually. And it's always the most fun when it shows up because I'm like, oh, I bought that six months. I paid for that six months. months ago. Now it's just like, it seems free now. It's kind of like Christmas. Oh, I forgot. I got that even.

You just on the honor system that people are going to remember to bring it to you at some point. There's probably some things out there that I never got and completely, uh, uh, someone else. Just like, oh, that sucker he paid me and I'm still using them. Um, so was Paul too afraid to come lift with you as a performance? Yeah, I think, I actually think he said he was done lifting. He's over it now. Like in honor of Bryce quitting. Yeah, after Bryce's wedding. He's going to beat Bryce to quit. Like as a show of solidarity, they're all quitting together.

And you know, Bryce is telling me how it's, you know, kind of, kind of bittersweet because he's going to be done lifting in about six weeks here. So what is the plan for the gym equipment then? Like, will it just all go on Marketplace? You know, I was asking about it. Can I remember selling? He might just throw it on this driveway and put a free sign up and just see whoever comes and get it.

You know, that way doesn't have to deal with anyone then. Sue Falls Facebook Marketplace about to be popping soon. Yes. The market's going to get flooded with gym equipment. What were your backdown sets then? Two triples at 405. Oh, okay. So it was a pretty healthy backdown then.

At that point, I mean, practically. It might as well been an empty bar. It's, oh, his delode week starts early. You know, that's what I thought. Saw that one. So did you have an ice cream bar from the, uh, I was messing with it. I'm like, you know,

But it's, I'm going to go in my car. I got all this crap. I'm like, I don't need an ice cream bar right now. So I left it. Build the chest freezer. F the rest. That's good. I like that.

That's what I've always said. Uh-huh. I want that shirt. Does it seem a lot different in perfect little suites, Jim, from when we toured it? There's a few little things that are different. There's a weight tree that I didn't remember. He does have, you know, the rogue, what's it? the rogue GHD.

Yep. And I will say, getting to do GHD's after doing kind of my Nordics on the rack, which are just so insanely hard. GHD's still pretty damn good. But I'm always, I've never not been a GHD fan of myself. They are nice.

They are nice. And what else was different in there? I mean, he's got a lot of weights. The dumbbells, he's got a lot more dumbbells from the last time we were there. It's actually a large amount of dumbbells. There's a lot of dumbbells. There's even more dumbbells now.

There's a lot of dumbbells. A lot of dumbbells and a lot of weights in that gym. Yeah. So the meat is the Lift Hardly Easy Classic is the meat. What are we per juggernaut? Like are we five weeks left of training basically? Let's see here. Six.

Maybe the official count. A stiff six. 38 days out. Wow. Okay. One, two, three, four. Yeah, we could be in here like five. five weeks.

So do you have big benches and deadlifts coming up really soon than two? Tomorrow and the day after that. Yeah. So I guess you really can't hold anything back. I don't know. The confidence level goes down as the week goes, but let it ride. Why is so his next bench and then deadlift is last? I told Bryce, I'm like, here's my mentality every week.

I go in, I'm like, God damn. so tired. This is so hard. And somehow I'm just like, I'm been able to turn it on for one set and get through the rest. But I said, I'm running out of tricks between the loud music and the ammonia and slapping my legs. I'm like, I'm just running out of things. I'm just tired, man. I've always said, if I can't get it up for one more repeated set after set after set, after day, after day, after day, and keep getting it up and up and up. You might as well start throwing the dirt on me now.

I know. Ain't that the truth? Yes, it is. I've been up in my cardio game today. I biked like 10 miles. I've been biking every day. Damn, 10 miles. And I'm due backwards sled walks every single day, too.

I saw the backward sledwalks. Do you feel like those do anything for you? Or is it just conditioning? No. Do you find a therapeutic in any way? That's what I would like it to be. But if you're asking me, but I almost feel like anything I do doesn't do anything. Besides just make you tired.

Yeah, that's what I'm like, like, I would like it to be like therapeutic. It is because I drag 100 pounds backwards for a half mile every time. Like it's like 15 to 20 minutes of it. And okay, it starts burning immediately and burns the entire time. This is with your brandy sled. I don't think we talked about this when we talked about new equipment you got, did? Yeah, have I not talked about the Burmys? I did, because we have, I don't think you and I have really even talked about it even.

Okay. Yeah, it's, it's freaking sweet. It looks really cool. It's really good, and it's got like the really nice UHMW or whatever on the bottom of it. So even when you're on concrete, it almost doesn't make any noise at all. And it is really small and compact. Yeah. And I just leave 100 pounds on it, and I.

How are you load? Are you got 2.45s in it? Oh, no, I've got two. Strength Co bumper 25s and then two York milled 25s. A little new school. So it's 25 pound increments. Yeah. Yeah.

Just because it's what it was sitting in my garage for various things. And that's how much weight was there. So I'm like, yeah, how will a hundred pounds be? And that's what I put on the first time. And it's pretty heavy. Like, what harness are you doing with this then? I bought the rep. You could see it on my gym radar account, but I newly purchased the rep fitness.

harness because I have harnesses at the gym, but I just wanted something that I'd leave at my house. And I just looked a little bit on Jim Radar and saw that one. I'm like, yeah, it looks good. Because I just wanted something you could hook up to the front or the back and that is not all that cumbersome. This can't be the one. It says no one owns this thing.

I'm pretty sure I got, I claimed one, didn't I? Let me go to my gym. Yeah, I'll find this sucker. I got to know, I must know the exact one. I don't think you did. Well, maybe I need to. claim it. I spoke too soon

about calling them out. Not even got it. Those gym radar guys found out about this. They would be pretty disappointed. Don't tell them. Okay, here it is. Yeah, I have not claimed it. I'm claiming it right now. Add to my gym. I have the rep fitness

sled harness. First one on the website to have it. Yep. Yep, there it is. I'll drop a review on that soon. Okay. Okay. Strap. How much did this cost? It wasn't that much. I thought it was like 40 bucks. Let me look. It is 56 bucks. Yeah. So I bought that. But does it come with the strap then or do you got to provide your strap? No, it comes with the strap. That was one of the things. Not that I don't have a hundred of those around at the gym too, but I'm just like, I just want to leave all that stuff at there and just have this at home.

Okay. So you got the, you got the Bremi sled and the custom Massonomics red. You got the plates on it. You got the rep harness. And you're doing backwards walking with this. Backwards walks. Kind of like the defensive back almost, like a little slight hip bend, slight knee bend. And I don't know that it helps my knee at all, but I'll tell you what, it lights up my calves. Like my calves are basically pumped 24 hours a day or like almost in a state of cramp like constantly from this. Okay. I don't know.

My problem might be when I do stuff like I overdo it sometimes. You're going to do it pretty hard here. Like, I'm like, I just, and also the distance that I go is a long distance to do with the weight. Like, maybe not, but like it is. I can, you know, it's not, it's not casual, you know, and like, and I'm not doing it a casual stroll. The whole time I'm, like, trying to push my pace. Yeah, you're not like going across the driveway a couple times or anything here. No, no, no, no.

So I like that. And I don't know. It's probably not helping, but I do. I'm giving it a long, I'm giving a good run. And then we're throwing bike riding in with us too, you're saying? Bike riding. I've been doing like five to ten miles a day.

I'm just hitting the bike trail and go in or what? I'm putting, using our bucket bike too, which makes it better because it is just absolutely brutal if you get uphill or in the wind with that thing and a full payload of kids. And it is like a box so it does block the wind good. Yes.

Yeah, just wherever storybook land. Okay. We bike. I usually bike like today. tonight we bike to Storybook Land, which is like four miles there and four miles back. So it's a good job. The road the whole way. No, we take the bike path through Lee Park.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I just go down, yeah. I just go all the way down 15th, which runs right into Lee Park. Yep, yep. Yep. Did the same thing back in the day. We'd do that same cut through there. Yeah, I, I'm a fan of getting on sidewalk bike riding sucks because it's,

so bumpy that it's just like an on shitty ride. I like going on side streets and just going faster and not dealing with. Also pedestrians are less. Yes. Especially with kids. Aberdeen is not like super. A lot of drivers don't like bikes on the road. I guess I would say that.

Or it's just like a foreign concept. Yeah. Like it's like you're actually. Like a bike. what's going on here. Right. I know some people live in large metropolitan areas where a lot of people bike

and it's very common. Here it is odd when you see a bike on the road, I would say. It's an anomaly. It's not a lot of it. And I've had scenarios where like people do not give you enough space when you're on a bicycle on a road.

People also are just looking at their phone the whole time they're driving and not looking at anything. So that's everyone is also part of the problem. That's like what drives me and saying. you go to stoplight. All right, wait for it to turn green. Now we just got to wait for everyone to put their phones down to acknowledge that it's green.

And now we can go and it's red again. And it doesn't drive me insane or make me want to lose my mind. And then you repeat that 10 times going across town. My pro tip on checking your phone while driving. At the stop sign is or at the stoplight is the worst time to do it. It may be this may be counterintuitive. But that happens. Like, I also see that all the time.

And it's one of the times you need to pay attention the most because when it's time to go, get the frick going. I'm like, hey, get going and then get back on your phone. Can we make sure we get through this quickly and then you can all get back to scroll in your phones texting people? No one. No one cares. You know, it used to always be the thought saying was like, don't text and drive.

People aren't even, aren't texting and driving really, right? Like it's just they're like on their phones Yeah, now the problem is Yeah actually I think that is the bigger problem It's just on your phone You know, they're swiping and driving You're just browsing your computer Like your handheld computer while driving.

Yes. Just doing all the stuff. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Oh, there was a little bit of a crew wedding situation this weekend as well. Yeah, fill me in.

here. Bring me up to speed. Yeah, so it was this last Saturday. There was a crew wedding. Big Garrett and Big Sydney. They had their funeral reception in, what do you call

Mitchell in directionally in South Dakota? I mean, that'd kind of be like not close enough to any corners. That'd kind of be South Central just about. Or Western Southeast South Dakota. Somewhere in that range, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it almost need to really look on the study the map to really think about that. Isn't it just straight south of Aberdeen? Basically, it's straight south. Yeah, yeah, it's straight. Pretty much. Yeah, pretty much, right. I mean, you could say southeast, South Dakota in broad terms,

but you could also say Western Southeast South Dakota. I like that, Western Southeast South Dakota. Yeah. They got hitched. My wife and I went down there for it. We went to the wedding and the reception. Garrett and Sydney, both supporting members, of course. And then Big Jake and Big Abby were both there, both supporting members.

And Big Antony's supporting member was in the wedding. Nice. So it was a good supporting member meetup. And the wedding was fun. The reception was a lot of fun. Garrett's best man's speech, which was his younger brother, was 10 out of 10. speech. I think Garrett just posted it in the Discord group actually so you can

watch that. It's a link to it. It must be on Facebook. It was it was a great best man speech. I'll have to watch that. That's it. Very fun. And I do think Garrett's brother, the best man, by the time we were leaving the reception, I had a feeling he was going to be leaving very soon as well, whether it was on his own decision or someone deciding for him.

He was not, actually, the last thing I saw, he had fallen over on the ground and nearly taken out a couple decorations with him, I think. Well, he's probably just trying to lean on something and it wasn't that sturdy, I bet. You know, I got caught by surprise. Yeah. And Jake said that was 9.17 p.m. to be clear. Garrett and Sydney did there was a massonomic shoutout during their speech at the end very nice they shot shouted out massonomics for the matchmaking of course you know this isn't that kind of just the South Dakota custom is the shout out massonomics in your wedding isn't that what people do you know

I mean it should be yes like I'm all the weddings I've been to recently it's happened so it's kind of a new thing yeah So yeah. Oh, also got him a special wedding present. Garrett's in the Discord here listening live. I don't know if you want to share what the wedding present was. Oh, it looks like someone's got a video of the opening of the wedding present. Maybe I haven't seen this. I'm watching it.

I'm watching real time here. I'm also watching. Does this sound come across at all? Well, it's in my headphones. I don't think it makes the recording, but yep, there's something about a boy getting his first bells of steel stringer. That just, you'd love to see it. Oh, I wonder, he said it's even from Tron. I wonder if it has Tron's address still on the thing, actually.

Yeah. So they did get a Bells of Steel Stringer as his tradition for their wedding present. Yeah. I'm pretty sure we got him the biggest gift out of the last. of all, I didn't see any bigger gifts than that. Nothing heavier on the gift table. No, probably nothing more functional either. Heavy or re-giftable.

Functional would be an interesting word because I'm still not a, but my wife was asking me, you know, my wife had to wrap that and was telling her the story about it. And she's like, so what do you do with it? And I'm like, see, that's the thing. Well, you buy it because they're like a dollar. And then after that. That's what I said.

only a dollar, which I guess seemed like a good idea at the time, but I don't know if it's worth the dollar because when they say, what do you do with it? I'm like, I don't know. Do you think, I'm curious what Kvon's thought would be on these traveling bells of steel stringers that just keep making it, making the rounds all around the world, people sharing them. That are a joke because nobody wants it. But a bunch of people bought them. Anthony said his whole family was very confused. As they should be.

Yes. They just kind of looked around. Oh, that's good. Okay, should we do supporting our supporting members, or it's kind of one thing. Yes. Talk about the crew wedding. Let's do it.

Okay, other supporting are supporting members. Let's see, big Anastasia was the top goal. Gold Star Army Cadet Award recipient. Wow. She was also the only kid at ABS in powerlifting meet in Canada. She got seventh place, including a deadlift PR. Nice. Big Joey was also there, and he did a sandbag over bar event.

Big Garrett and Big Sydney got hitched, as we mentioned. Big Zach competed at New Hampshire. Summer Slam. He won the Open and Submasters divisions both and set seven state records. PR's come and go, but seven state records last a lifetime. They are forever. Big Ben, Bile competed at USS National Strongman. Big Zach, another big Zach, lifted the real McCoy Dini Stones in Scotland.

I saw that. He lifted them. straddle and side grab considerably harder. That's very cool. And yes, very cool. Big Zach out there just living out my fantasy life. Yeah. You know,

some guys talk about it and some guys be about it. And some guys actually do it. And Big Zach is out there living the life I wish I could. Big Mikey was this week's guest on our braddy little sister podcast, unpaid and underrated. Big Mikey of Green Bay, Wisconsin fame. And then Big Andrew was this week's guest on our Drunken Uncle podcast, Half-Baked Thoughts.

So congrats to both of those of guests. If you become a supporting member, you could possibly make it on both of those podcasts. That's just another perk of becoming a supporting member is making it on unpaid and underrated and half-baked thoughts. You can run the circuit, the Massonomics podcast circuit. The whole Massonomics podcast extended family circuit. We've got the Brady Little Sister, our drunken uncle, we'll call Rice and Huck Finn is the Huck Finn Barbell Show.

What relation do you think that that would be? It's like a distant third cousin. Yeah. Yeah, what about the OK podcast? It's like our friend from the town over that you kind of hear about. Yeah, it's the guy that was in the military. that you went to high school with. Yeah.

It's his podcast. And is there any other relations? Well, that's enough for now. You could make it on. You could, if you become a supporting member of the Massonomics podcast, I'll just say it. You could make it on all four of those podcasts as a guest.

It significantly increased your chances of being on a podcast someday. That's called running the gamut if you make it on all of them. You get around like a record if you make it on all of those. Not a lot of people have done. it be an accomplishment. It would be I could be the only person that's done it. You probably are.

I could hold that title. Okay. So that's supporting our supporting members. Basically become a supporting member. We'd love to have you. I would say, honestly, you know, our supporting membership program is the number one thing that keeps Massanomics going.

We do a lot of stuff. to get filthy, stinking rich over here, like sell lift shorts and other merchandise, whatever other stuff we do. But I really honestly think the number one thing that keeps us ticking for over a decade now is the supporting membership program. If we didn't have that,

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Okay. Supporting our supporting members. How about would we do a certified training facility of the week? Yes, I got a good one picked out here. Luckily, I had gym radar pulled up already because I was adding my rep fitness sled harness. Can't believe I didn't even add that. I'm missing points on my gym radar. Yeah, I can't be doing that.

So much activity. It's already just coming down the radar feed. It's blowing up. All right. You ready for this, Jim? Yeah, what do we got? We are looking at Kearney Jim's Gym.

Some week could you pick something I know how to spell? C-A-R-N-E-Y, Carney. It's never something I just intuitive. I'm not a good speller. I'll be on record. It's obvious at this point now. Yeah.

But whatever you say, it's never the first way I I think to spell anything. Okay, so Carney's gym, first things first, first order of business. I want to mark this as a certified training facility of the week, and I have done so. So everyone playing along at home, if you refresh on Carney Jim's Gym, Carney Jim, Jim, Carney Jim's Gym, you'll now see the certified training facility of the week badge. Right?

Yep, it's there. I see it. Okay. Okay, some stats on this gym. We're in Maryland, United States. We're about 300 square feet. It's established in 2010, primarily strength training. It's in a basement.

This gym's freaking sweet. Yeah, the owner is Carney Gym. Started his profile at the end of May here, so he's been around for just a few weeks. His bio says, husband, father, veteran grip guy. And the about the gym, it's an old school grip focused. Is he a veteran grip guy? or a veteran and a grip.

Husband. Dot, father, dot veteran. Dot grip. Dot. It's grip guy. It was actually, there was no dot between there. But about the gym,

it's an old school grip focus basement gym. He has, let's see, top brands, Rogue. What's this little octopus thing? I can never remember. Arm assassin.

Yes, there you go. Arm assassin and Ivanko, not your typical triple that you see there. He has 63 pieces of equips. of equipment logged for the gym. And let's see, does he have any reviews? No reviews yet, but there are four comments on here with one of them being from Masonomics even.

Yeah, because I like this freaking gym. So let's take a look here, Tanner. When I look at the first photo, he even did a little description here. We have three corner view. Okay, so this gym, what's crazy about it is this actually might be the first gym. I'm looking really quick here. This might be the first gym ever in certified training facility of the week that does not have a rack in it.

And that's how noteworthy this gym is, is that even without a rack, there is still a ton to look at because this very first view is in a basement. You have an exposed ceiling. And you're just looking at a wall of shelving and dumbbell shelves and wooden shelves and things hanging from shelves and more shelves and things hanging. and things hanging from the floor joists. Like this thing is loaded.

And you say, well, all these shells, what's on it? Like every type of blob, York dumbbell, every type of gripper, crusher, chain, kettle. I mean, everything is on. There's so many things here. It's hard to even keep track of it all. It looks like it smells like WD 40 in there. That would, or three and one oil,

some combination. of that. So there's just a ton of these. I don't know. Does he have one, I mean, is there 20 different sets of grippers hanging around? Maybe more even?

There's more. It looks like there's about 40 of them. Well, actually, yeah, they're all across the ceiling. Yeah, they're all up there. Like multiple rows, but yeah, and on the left side, all those are lined with them. There's like 50 of them. Yeah, there's a lot there.

There's a lot. And then you have a weight tree with some. It looks like the Ivanko six shooters on there, whatever they call their version of it. You do have that hoist bench. That's a pretty heavy-duty bench there. Yep. We got some,

some, actually the weight tree has just a collection of plates on it. There's a barbell on there too. I'm not sure what that is. We got a trap bar. What's in photo number two? Okay, that's just a different angle of it. Yep, you can see even more grippers. Wow.

Okay. He's got the salesman sample, Roundhead. I bet this is a full, very full complete set of roundup series. The salesman sample is on Picture 2, the foreground on the top shelf next to a miniature anvil.

He's got this. There it is. You can see it in my hand. Well, the screen's probably on his picture right now. You can't actually see what I'm doing. I'll maybe cut back if I remember to here. Okay. I'm doing this. It's a little tiny little little. Just a tiny little baby dumbbell.

He also has. has quite a few pieces of memorabilia across the top shelves there too of like sign photos and things like that. Yeah. He's got the Brian Shaw coin. Yeah. Okay. I was wondering if that's what that was.

It looks like it. It looks like it. Yep. Photo number three, it's just a bigger view of the gym. And I think he's got a peloton there. It looks like from the screen that you see in the corner. There is a pull-it bar. He's got a peloton the treadmill and bike, both.

Yeah, there's a Peloton tread here. Wow, okay. And I see some, like a curl bar. Maybe a loadable dumbbell down there, maybe. But yeah, that's the gym. And it's a vibe, man. Like, this thing has a look to it. Yeah, he's got Thomas inch dumbbell replicas.

Yeah, sweet setup. Friggin' sweet setup. Yeah, those Ivanko Olympic Machine Easy Lift plates with round openings. Those ones are cool. He's also got the CAS handles from Prime Fitness. Of course he's got the horse stall Matt Gripper. Oh, yes.

Oh, and a Bells of Steel chest expander, too. I like that he has the chest expander from Bells of Steel. I might actually order one of those. How much does that cost? I'm going to check on Jim Radar right now. Let me look at it's not, it's almost $100. Damn.

Things ain't cheap. It's rating a 4.5 out of five Oh, Steve, big rogue crusher, the M Torture Chamber. He's got it. He gave it a five out of five. That's a guy that's been around some equipment too. All right, I'm going to look into that more soon. Okay, do you think you could get strong inside of, what is it,

Carney Gym's Gym? Oh, hell yeah. We're getting strong in that old school grip-focused basement gym for show. All right, thanks, Carney Basement, Jim. This week's episode, this is important, exciting, and interesting news. Our newest sponsor of the podcast, I don't know if everyone's ready for this, but we do have the latest newest sponsor, and it is EliteFTS.com. They've come on here recently, like I said, kind of as our newest, and it's exciting news.

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Where is this? Oh, what is that? by a chain. What do you do with that? I don't really know. It looks kind of like anal beads. Hey. You're the one that said it, not me.

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out of here. I'm sick of these guys. Did you catch the score of this finals game? What's going on? No, don't tell me. I watch I, nights when I can't watch the finals, I watch the recap when I, before I go to bed. I'll just tell you the score at halftime was pretty stupid. Don't spoil it. And make of that what you will.

Kick, gig. I'm going to actually close out of the Discord here so no one can spoil that for me now that I said I don't want them to spoil it for me. But prior to the night, I have been watched keeping up on the finals. And yeah, the New York Knicks. Bockers are making a real go of it. They kind of thought going into it that San Antonio would be my pick. And now we'll see how the rest of the series goes. I do not that have the advantage of knowing what's going on in game four.

I am looking at the score here. Okay. It'd be interesting. Do you have a preference of who wins the finals? I mean, I actually don't really. but part of me kind of wants the Knicks because I just, I hated, I hated the Spurs because I was a son's fan. The Tim Duncan Spurs. Yes, I was a Suns fan then.

And when you have like Genoblee and Parker and Tim Duncan and all these guys that are just winning all the time and the sons could never beat them, it pissed me off so bad. And so I just had this like vendetta against the Spurs. And then, but I also do respect the fact that they're all insanely young. Like, that's crazy. There's, like, a lot of colleges that have teams older than this, and these guys are in the NBA championship. So that's pretty cool. So that's why I don't have a strong preference,

but I do lean a little bit towards the Knicks. Yeah. I see there's things about the stars that are out at the Knicks. You know, everyone's always wanting to see, like, who's at the Knicks games and stuff? Because they're all, who's the guy from Dune, the younger kid from Dune. Timothy Shammalay or, yeah, something like that. Shamillama.

I don't know who they care what his name is. him from Marty uh, Marty Supreme. That's what I know I'm from. I don't watch Dune yet. You haven't seen Dune. I haven't seen it yet. What about Dune 2?

Believe it or not, I just don't have a lot of days where I just have like four free hours to watch this movie. Four to five hours to watch. I can't start it at night. I don't like to start movies and not finish them. I can't start it at night. Usually can't do it during the weekends.

And so that just means I don't watch it. I also don't like to start movies and not finish them. My wife would absolutely just love. love to start a movie and not finish it. Oh, I hate even having to pause it and take a break. Like if someone needs to go to the bathroom or get popcorn or something at our house even, I don't even like that. No, we're here for the freaking.

I'm in the zone. You're taking me out of the zone right now. It would require an act of God to get my wife to finish a movie in one sitting. Like, she couldn't do it. Yeah. I'm kind of right there with her. I just don't get to watch them. So, you know, well, right.

I mean, I don't either. but if I had my choice, I would finish the movie. Like, stopping halfway through a movie is just wild to me. I'm like, no, I'm pot committed. We're finishing this movie no matter how bad it is. Yes, actually that one too. I'm not quitting. I'm not quitting on one.

Once we're doing it, we're doing it. All right. Should we do a title topic? I think we need a little title topic music to set the mood. My mood has been set. You know what that means when Disturb says, that means it's time for the Massonomics title topic. And this week's title topic is,

I don't know exactly what the title topic name is yet. So insert, in post, just kidding, we don't do things like this. In post, insert, title topic is. And I don't know what this title topic is. You haven't told me yet. So I don't know what we're getting into here. I figured this week we had a lot of little topics we talked to, so if we didn't lean too heavily on the title topic, we'll be okay.

We got some flexibility, you're saying. Yeah, but so here's the title topic. This sparked, actually, crazy story. I'll first just tell the story. Actually, most, it's not crazy story. That's way an over-indolishment. Barely interesting story. Why don't we really bring the excitement up and then right back down?

I just want real expectations. Here's a barely interesting story for everyone. Here's a marginally, potentially, it's not that good of a story, actually. Here's a bad story. Expectations are just in the gutter right now. It's a story. Tanner has a story. Listen up.

Tanner's got a story. It is a story. When I was at the gym earlier this week, talking with your brother, Ryan, we often, we talk about training. I talk about training with people in the gym all the time for the last 20 years. Like the number one thing I talk about, the number, believe it or not, the number one thing I talk about in the gym with other people in the gym is training. Like that's my favorite thing. What hurts, what doesn't hurt, what's going good, it's going bad.

Yeah. Side tangent, this is not the bad story. This is just a side bad story is we had a good laugh of, you know, the, the if someone comes into the gym you're used to them they're in the gym all the time you might say how's it going or something really i don't even say that but you know what what is it that you ask them wow how's lifting how's lifting going how's lifting going or what do you lifting today yeah yeah what do you look like what do you got today like if i actually is the first yes that one comes without even thinking and it's like okay because actually exactly exactly

with bryce go there so what he lifting today and then once we got that out of the way then it's well how's lifting going so yeah that's that's that's it's well how's lifting going so Yeah, that's, yes. The first thing is, what do you lift in today? That's how you say high in the gym to people you know from the gym is, what do you lift in today? That's also a sign of respect. I appreciate you enough that I'm going to bother to ask what you're lifting today.

If you don't ask someone that, you probably don't care at all. You're not even at a talking level in your relationship here. And that's what we said like with new, you know, because we'll occasionally get a lot of massonomics gym is the same people over and over again. but you occasionally get some new people. We occasionally will get some younger people. We talked about that how, like, Caden and Antony are two really good examples of people that started at the gym as high school kids. And at first it's like, well, most high school kids end up sucking and not panning out and they don't stick around and they don't actually take lifting serious, whatever.

But every once in a while, we get some people that start at high school kids that become cornerstone members. Yes, they do. So you can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that no high school. school kids are going to be good because everyone's small you find a diamond in the rough. Yep. But we did. We had a good laugh saying that like we were talking specifically about a few of the newer, younger kids in there.

And we both like agreed. It's like, yeah, I'm not asking. I'm not investing time in this person yet. I'm not going to ask him like what you're lifting. Like I'm like, no, I'm not asking you what you're lifting. You show up for like a year. Then we'll see you. And don't lift like a total dumbass.

And then I'll start asking you what you're lifting today. Like I don't have enough room in my life for a new guy to ask what I, like I'm not throwing out of what are you lifting today for this guy that's going to be gone in three weeks and never to be seen again. Right. Right. I tell me that he's super setting chess flies and then something else. Like I don't want that answer. I'm saving my what do you lift it.

I've only got so many what, what do you liftins in the tank? And I'm saving them for people that I, for ones that matter here. That have earned my respect. That's very true. Which, and we are laughing about it because it sounds so stupid. But yet we were both agreed that that's exactly what we're, like that's exactly what we're doing. That's 100% of the way it is though. Yeah.

Like you're not going to just be just shooting the breeze with everyone all day. Yeah, you got a certain amount of bandwidth, you know. Right. I'm not, you don't get, you don't get to get asked what you're lifting. And I don't, as a matter of fact, not only am I not doing it. I don't want any of these other guys asking you yet what you're lifting because you don't get to tell people what you're lifting yet. Cross an enemy lines there. Yeah.

You don't even think about that. You just stick it out for a while. And then maybe, you know, Larry will ask you what you're lifting or you'll get a what do you lift in. That was the side thing. But then we were talking about training. and here's the comment that I about our general discussion was just kind of about training methods and you know you're on juggernaut AI right now I've used juggernaut AI a ton of oh for a really long time and I think it's really valuable really useful for a lot of people what's discount code

masnomics or yeah have we done an ad for that this um no not yet not yet but here it kind of is a built-in ad but my point is maybe not what it sounds like I'm going to say what what I've really thought, and the example I used to your brother is I spoke a meme out loud, like I just created a meme through our conversation. And I feel like I hadn't seen this meme yet, but the crazy part of it is just before we started recording tonight, I saw Jake Heinrich share someone that had made this exact meme that I described to Ryan. And I'm like, I don't think I had seen the meme. I was just, maybe I have or it was just subconscious.

but it was the normal distribution graph and on the beginning side of it is the idiot or what's on the, or the nob, the nube on the beginning side. I don't know, just lift hard. Right. Like, so my thing was like, well, on the beginning side of it, I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know really a lot about programs. So I don't think the program matters that much. And then in the middle, you're like, conjugated.

is the only thing that will work or Insert program. Linear your periodization is the only thing that could actually do anything or it's like none of you are doing enough volume. You need to be benching six times six X per week. You know, like I could describe a conjugate, conjugate nerd,

a linear nerd. Ron Addie IPF, 22 year old. Yeah, a weed method. I could talk about our own juggernaut. You know, I could talk about the scientific print. principles of strength training and any of that stuff.

And then on the other end, I told Ryan, I'm like, I honestly feel like I'm on the other end of it. And the more I listen to people that I think get training, like the more I listen to it, even though it might have a different wrapper on it, it's all, like the people that get it, like there's different nuances and stuff like that. but it all kind of comes down to the same stuff.

And I'm not the first person to ever say this or anything like that, but I was just really thinking about it a lot. Like if I listen to a friend of the podcast, our friend Dylan, who trains a conjugate method, but I actually listen to him say out loud what the most important parts of his training are, then I'm like, well, yeah,

that's the most important parts about my training. I don't consider that I do conjugate at all, but I'm like, yes, I think we are in agreeance on 9, not even just, we're not in agreements on 70%. I like, I actually think we're in agreements on 95% of everything. And the other 5% would everyone would also agree like, yeah, here's maybe my like nuance take on it. But that's not the most important piece of the puzzle. And I have really decided all of the different ones, even no matter how much different they appear on the surface.

because my final point and takeaway from that was that I don't really care what juggernaut as juggernaut's the example. I'm like for anyone that trains hard and trains consistent and puts work into it, it's basically going to work. Yeah. I also think that for almost every other single program. Yeah.

Like that makes sense. Like it whether it's conjugate or whatever, I think it actually is going to work. And you said actually the two points I was going to, my kind of like two metrics, because I 100% agree with everything you're saying. And if I was to like actually try to define it even more, it'd be like,

because like someone might say, well, you're just saying, you just go and you get stronger. And I actually don't think that's the case. Right. There's two very important checkboxes. Maybe there's three,

but I haven't thought about this at all. But the two R is you have to have kind of a rough plan. It doesn't need to be super defined, but you need to have a little bit of a plan. Like you can't just sort of just like wing it every week. Winging it actually doesn't work. I watch a lot of people wing it in it. It works for a brand new rank-ass beginner.

Yeah. Because they just haven't done shit. But like. So just, they're just training. So it works for a few months. Yep. Yeah.

But if you've done this for any amount of time and like, you got to actually try a little bit to get some gains. Like you need some type of plan. Now I'm not saying you need, that's the thing. All right, pick your flavor. Do you want to be conjugate?

You need five three one. Do you need a candideot? Literature periodization. Do you need a candideotism? Jackal's gym, which we did forever. They will all work based. based on the fact that you have to do number two,

which is try really hard. So you need to have kind of a rough plan and you need to try hard when you're doing that. And I guess you could add number three and you need to be consistent. If you do those three things, almost every program works. Yeah.

Almost everyone. Like, okay, and then, yeah, if you've been doing it a long time. Yeah, if you've been doing a long time, maybe you have some injuries, you know, certain things you're working around, that's when you can start to tweak things. But pick a program,

try really hard and do it consistent. And you'll find most people that say they can't gain, they're doing one of those things maybe. Like that's, yeah, that's the, I mean, that's the secret right there. It is. I agree with you.

Like in my own experience, that's been the exact case for me too. It's, if you're not getting anywhere, it's because you're not doing all three of those. You might be doing one okay and a second one good. And the third run terrible, like it still doesn't work that good.

You got to be doing all three. You're not consistent. You're training hard when you go. You've got a plan, but you're not consistent. You're going to the gym one day this week, two days next week, three the next one.

You know, if you're, it just doesn't work. Like you're kind of always going to be sort of sore and sort of. Yeah. And then also the same thing. Like a lot of people have a plan and they're consistent. Yeah.

But they don't know what actual intensity is. Like they do not know what that is. And yeah, it's, you got to have all three. So I guess I have two points there. That what you encapsulate is my one point. And I think mostly,

everyone will agree with that. I think so. The other thing that maybe not as many will agree with because this is where people get more dogmatic or it just doesn't make as much sense on the surface. I get it as kind of the opposite of what makes sense. But my other point is all of the programs that make any sense are more like each other than they are dislike each other. Even the ones that seem vastly different.

I'm like, yeah, you're kind of using different terms and different. Like, I'm like, yeah, but if I. really lay it out, I'm like, no, it's kind of the same idea. Like most of the cornerstones are the same idea, I think. You know, there's slightly different variations of ways to skin the cat. And some people take any of those to a more extreme. And if you take two people on two ends of the extremes of a training methodology, they're farthest apart.

But you get two people that use a methodology and are on the more moderate spectrums of that, get them like they're really close together actually like yeah that's where people could disagree but I just see the longer I go the more similarities I see in things that I even thought were more different for a while where you can find exceptions like if you take a program that squat every single day well that frequency is seven days a week you know that's different but like yeah but I mean it does come down to the fact that you really you got a few variables you have you have intensity and you have volume frequency Yeah.

I mean, like, those are kind of the main thing. And you can pull, frequency to, I guess. And you can't pull all, you know, everyone knows you can't pull the volume frequency intensity lever all at the same time. Yeah, you can't crank all those up all the way because it just doesn't work like that. Like, yeah, that's when the machine explodes, you know. Yep. You just have different.

So you only get to crank so many levers at once. And they're all of them the same. It's just a manipulation of, of when and how frequently, you know, I just, I just think that they're really similar. Like in the example I use in my head a lot as, when, you know, like talking about like Dylan, for example, the way he views conjugate, and then just talking about in comparison to Juggernaut, which on the surface seem probably pretty different.

And I get that they are different. But to a certain level, I take to a few people, I take a couple people that both do them both well. And I'm like, it's not that different. No, and I don't think it is because. You know, I just like see a lot more similarities than differences. And I don't know a ton about conjugate, but a lot of programs, like, I think conjugate, the super generalization of it is like you have your, like, what's it, your intense, or what do they call your heavy days?

Max effort. Yeah, your max effort and then your speed days, right? Right. And it's like, well, I don't know, kind of every program sort of has the heavy part and then the accessory parts that's lighter that you try to move fast. And it might not call it speed day. I know, I know. And, you know, they also have the repetitions method, which is in conjugate, it's a repetitions

method, which getting your volume in, you know, like it's, uh, and the, the maximal effort day, you know, on a more of a periodized method. You know, you're not doing a max effort weekly necessarily, but you kind of are. You know, it's like, well, this one wasn't an RPE10, but it was an RPE9. 9. You know, I wasn't going out all out 10. Or you might have a program where you're not allowed to say RPE 9 and 10. But in your head, you're still thinking like, oh, that was really.

Or it's all based on percentages. Or it's based on percentages. Or you might not. rate things, but in your head you're still thinking like, I mean, it's weird to me to think, like, if you'd walk away and just be like, yep, no idea if I could do one or 10 more, no clue. Like, you've got to be thinking a little bit like, oh, that felt pretty good. I think I had a few more in the tank.

It's like, you're kind of doing just an unspecific version of RPE at that point. Like it's, or in conjugate, you know, by definition, you're rotating the variables. You know, it's different all the time. But the specificity gets mixed up a little more. the people that I see it utilize it the best, they're not just doing random crazy shit. Every single session. Yeah, there's a method to that method.

And it's like peaking them towards what their goals are also. Yeah. And like it's, it's just like, it's not just like, but it's a more what you're, we're used to for training where you pick a different secondary movement for a while because you're building a weakness. Yep. A few weeks, a few months.

And you don't keep it forever. you're probably rotated out to something else. Until you feel like you've gotten all the easy gains out of that. Right. It's like, let's move on to the next one with some easy gains. That still feels like it's doing something. I think what,

especially there, what you're talking about, though, is with all programs is there does, I think this is like where the real art and science of it is, there does become this like special skill in taking all those pieces and laying them out intelligently, though.

Like that is where it can be hard. It's like knowing when to drop this out, add this in, you know, that whole thing and doing it at the right time, like, especially if you're peaking for a meat, like doing it at the right, like, I think that's where almost like the biggest skill of it all comes in because I've done Juggernaut for so long that I think I could damn near, like, memorize the program and have a lot of things. You'd basically know what to do.

If you, the app shut off tomorrow, be like, well, I could kind of just mirror what that flow is. Yes, I'd be within a few percent almost all the time, typically. Right. But where it gets challenging is like leading up to a meet. I don't peek for a meat very often. And like that's just something. I'm not like I'm talking about hyperch free blocks and strength blocks. I've done dozens of those things at this point.

Peking for a meat and juggernaut. I've done that like twice at this point. Like I just, and it's a year apart. So like that is the part that I would struggle with more. And you know, for me, I guess it turns into my training log too.

But yeah, like it's, it is a thing. People like to make training more complicated than what it is. And it's right. It's not at the end of the day that complicated. Yeah, that's what I would say.

It's not that complicated. So I'm, I don't, this is maybe giving myself too much credit or I'm viewing myself through rose color glasses. But I feel like I'm somewhere on that, I'm that guy at the end that's like, oh, no, all of, all of these. I caveat when I say all of them, I'm like, all of the good ones. Or when I say, you know, a lot of the training is really similar. I'm thinking of the good lifter or the good trainer, let not the person that kind of suck,

that's not doing. That's got a max out on bench this week and then take a week off. then the next week they're going to do four sets of 10. Like it's like, okay, well, there's no plan there actually. Right. I'm thinking of the educated lifter and, you know, the person that probably goes about things right, whatever they're to, you know, variation of right is.

They're just pretty similar to me. When I'm on the other end, I'm like, nah, that's probably good too. Probably working for them also. Yeah. You know, it's crazy, but it's one of the few things in life or if you show up and do the work, for the most part, you will get something out of it. There was someone talking in the discord this week.

What was it about? This is also just a side tangent, but what you said reminded me of it that the idea that, you know, you can't buy strength, which is pretty much true to, like you could take PEDs, do stuff like that,

but still, it's not going to do anything unless you're training hard too. You still have to, you still have to put some work in. in. You can't buy strength or the physique. Right. Yeah.

You still need to put the work in for sure. Right. So anyone that's done that, this is not basically unrelated to the prior conversation here, but I just also like that thought that you can't really buy. Which we talked about that before.

Remember that that was the whole thing of like, yep, you just know. When you see someone that lifts, you just know and you're like, yep, we relate to each other on a way that no one else here does. Yeah.

So that was my title topic on training methods. I don't know if I have anything else to add. Do you have anything else to add on that? Yeah, with that being said, obviously everyone knows Juggernaut is the best way to get strong. No, I'm just kidding. Use whatever program you like. Just show up and do it and like put the effort in. But Juggernaut's a good option. If you're out there and you're like, what should I use? For 30 bucks a month, it's one of the good choices that you have out there. It's one of the choices. Yeah. And it's one I can recommend. But also there is a ton of choices too.

Right. The best one, the one you're going to stick to. Yeah. in which if you haven't stuck to the last four, you're probably not going to stick to the next one actually. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. And also think of training as it's like longer than like four weeks. And think of it also preferably longer than eight weeks.

And then once you actually just start thinking of it as like 16 to 28 weeks, then you're just like, well, yeah, I'm just in this for the long run once you start looking at like time spans that long. Right. Four or eight weeks or any of those amounts of time go by so fast in the training world. It's just like, oh. that training block, I could have sworn I just started that. And now I'm, that's the funny part about Jackals to me. It was in eight week spurts and those eight weeks used to seem longer to me.

And it just seems so fast in training to me. Eight weeks is such a short amount of time. It is very short amount of time, yes. It almost feels like an impossible amount of time to make progress. I know that's not accurately. But we did. Yeah, you're always making progress. along the way, hopefully, you know,

and whatever that way is. But your brother did do the bench-only juggernaut program, and in 10 weeks, he did add another 10 pounds to his 1-REP max bench, and that's after adding 10 pounds already this year to it. Yeah, so all time. I'm curious, okay, because I haven't actually got to talk to him about this yet. What, I actually haven't talked to anyone that's done the bench-only program. I mean, is it just a ton of volume for the upper body?

Is that really what it comes down to? Yeah, a lot of high frequency. You know, you're benching like three or four times every single week. And it's a 10-week block. I don't know if it's quite as, like, intuitive is not the word I'm thinking, but just the way that the regular juggernaut program adjusts so much. Like, it's so, like, catered and, like, so much adjustment based on the lifter. Does it even program, like, squat and deadlift?

at all, or is it like only giving you programming for? I don't even know. I've never literally even looked at it myself. So, but he did it and he, in 10 weeks, he went from 330, which had already been a 15 pound like lifetime PR for him. Yep. This year. And then at the end of this one, he did 335, which is a 5 pound PR.

And I'm like, that was just so easy. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. So then he put 340 on and it was still a very, very, very much. good rep, but got that, which is a 10 pound PR in 10 weeks for a lifetime. For someone that's also been lifting for a really long time. And he makes you wonder if he did say, sandbag in his upper body this whole time.

He did say that he's like, I think even if I go back to a regular juggernaut, I have to, if I want my bench to go up, he said I basically have to bench three times a week. I think you do. I think you, I mean, I, I was talking to Bryce about this. I, my bench is the best it's ever been since I've been doing juggernaut. And it's because I do some type of, I train, I lift three days a week and I do incline bench one day, comp bench another day, and Spoto Press the other day.

And then, you know, a lot of those days, there's accessories that hit your, you know, arms and chest in various ways. But yeah, like you're doing a, I do a bench variation three days a week. And I think that is a huge part of benching. As long as you're not in pain, like just pile on the volume, like pile it on. That actually becomes for the experience lift, that's the hardest part, is just, just being able to. Yeah, not being hurt and make sure your shoulders and almost can handle it. Because most people will eventually hit a wall where they're like,

yep, now my shoulder hurts. Yeah. So it's just, I mean, it's why IPF lifters that are in their 20s can bench five times a week and make crazy progress because nothing hurts them. Yeah.

But like I'm even, but like I'm saying, okay, so I'm in the ballpark of 350ish as a bencher. Right. Which, I mean, not a huge number,

but it's also not small by any means either. And I mean, even for comparison there, The beauty of those accessories is that if you're doing incline bench, you're probably at 225 or less, which is not that heavy. So ideally, you know, if you're benching, if you're inclined benching somewhere between 185 and 225, hopefully that's not hurting you because it's not that much weight. And then Spoto Press, like, I mean, there is a pot.

Like, it's still not that much weight either. So, yeah, I'm benching a lot, but there's a lot of days where I'm never going over, you know, 250 even. Yeah. So it's just, I mean, that kind of helps. But yeah, I do get everyone's situation is different there. The other thing I talked to about was, I'm like, I wonder, did you really get 10 pounds stronger or not, though? Because I'm like, I want to see the 330 that you did 10 weeks ago.

Well, that too, yes, yes. And I want to compare it to the 340 you did now. And we did that. And I'm like, nope, you actually did get 10 pounds stronger. So I did move on faster? Because I'm like, so did you do 330 and you could have done 340 that day? Mm-hmm. And like, I'm like, no, the speed is almost identical.

And the 340, 10 weeks later might be slightly better. Yeah. Like it actually looks like more technically sound at the 340, 10 weeks later. So I'm like, no, I would say you got 10 pounds stronger in 10 weeks. There's also the technical proficiency part where when you're benching every session just about, like you're going to get kind of good at it. And I think that is part of what has happened. You know, it is strength. It also is technical proficiency because his repetitions.

just look better. They just look more consistent. I agree. Like the ones that I've seen, I'm like, no, this just looks like how benching should go. Like,

there's no weird extra movements going on. It's changing in your, you know, I don't know his situation, but it's like, oh, your elbows are flaring out. There's no elbows flaring out.

There's not any weird like pause, hitch spots in the middle. Right. Or like, you know, like it's a steady, consistent movement all the way through which just shows control of the movement.

Which so that's probably true. It's not just strength, though. is like technical proficiency also, but at a certain point, what is what? I mean, yeah, I mean, that is part, that's part of the equation. Absolutely. Right. Right.

I don't know what my point was on that, but I just thought that that was interesting that he, that it went up. So that he was like, because he had been telling me, he's like, yeah, I'm probably going to do something else after this, you know, get off this. And we're talking. He's like, you know what, I might just do that again. One more time. Run it back.

I'm like, it's. And I'm like, it's. yeah, to tell you the truth, if I gain 10 pounds on any of my lifts for all-time PRs right now, probably want to try the same thing again. Just keep it going. Yeah, because 10 pounds and 10 weeks, you know, it's doesn't work forever like that. Nothing does because we'd all be benching 10 bajillion pounds right now. It's a thousand pounds.

But I'm like, I also am not a huge fan of completely moving away from things that are working. Like if someone gets done with juggernaut and back, yeah, you hit three lifetime PRs, you've been lifting for 20, years. Like, yeah, I'm thinking about changing it out. I'm like, really? I'm going to do something different. Really? You shouldn't do that.

Like, how about no? How about you do that for a full year this time? And let's see how strong you are after that. Like, let's not change it up. Let's actually do the exact same thing over again until it doesn't work and then we'll change it up. Yeah. Keep those gains going.

Yeah. All right. Is that enough sets and reps talk? Probably. Probably for now, man. We're really hitting our quota on that lately, aren't we? Yep. I mean, you can't beat a little good sets and reps. But also can get people fired up in the comments.

So let us know in the comments what you disagree with on our sets and reps talk. And if you ask anyone if they've been what they're lifting lately. Someone, what did someone get me on today on Facebook? My wife even had to comment on this because she was like, he said deadlift won't build size, I think. Is that what they put in there? Yeah, like, what was the, what was the, I got to see the comment of what it was. Because were you doing like $4.95 off a deficit?

Yeah, for a set of five. And he just says, that won't build size. And also, like, I'm not saying I'm Ronnie Coleman over here, but, you know, I'm wearing a cutoff in the thing. And I'm like, I'm like, I objectively don't look small. Like, you can see my muscles on many parts of my body. And it's not one of the things where you're like, I can't tell. It's like, oh, yeah, okay, you're on a deficit.

By the time the plates go all the way up, they've moved a very long distance here, too. Yes. And he says, that won't build size. I'm like, really, that won't build size? What do you think will build size? That's where you're drawn the line. Deadlifts seem to get people triggered, though. People don't like watching deadlifts of any kind.

Because that's what got you, the guy got mad the one time. Was that the Randy one? Is it that what is the logic of that, actually? What is the reason that that bothers people? I mean, with most of this stuff, it comes from an insecurity thing. Like, you're just lifting way more than they ever could. So like, oh, but is there something to this guy? about the deadlift that would pull that out in people?

It's probably the lift you've been, it's probably the lift you post more with bigger weights, though, typically. Right. So people call that out more often. It's like, if you put, if you put videos, this is what would happen. If you were regularly posting videos benching over 400, people would be like, well, tell me how your shoulders are in two years, like you'd be getting that. And then squatting the same thing.

They're like, yeah, your back's good, you know, like you're still going to get negative comments of some kind. Right. Right. Or if the deadlift I posted. was only with 225. It's just not going to, you know. Yeah, it's not, but it's the fact that it's, you know, a lot of weight.

That's where people have to come and chime in and defend their whatever. They're trying to defend. I also, this might not be right, but sometimes I feel like this, this logic may just be completely off base, but I'm like, deadlift sometimes feels like more of a new school lift, whereas the squat is like this old school, yeah,

you squat and, you know, drink your milk and you squat. I don't know. Deadlift is kind of like the broccoli hair kid, every one of them can deadlift like 500 pounds for some reason, you know, that sort of thing. That might not make any sense. I know. That might be completely wrong. Like I could understand that more if that's who the, if that comment was on that video of that kid. But the fact that it's you're the one that they're leaving the comment.

I'm not young. Yeah. Skinny. You know, like I'm not. That's what I. Yeah. Because that comment absolutely appears on the one of the USAPL Natty boy. that's sumo deadlifting, you know, six inches off the ground and he's doing like 650 for reps.

And then he's he visually looks like he weighs 155 and he's doing 250 more pounds than you for four times as a million reps. Yeah. So then that's where people leave the line. It doesn't add size. Like, okay, get it. You leave that comment there. But yeah, to leave it on your video, that was a very. And then I saw you put the WIM. Did he ever reply to that or not? No, I was really hoping so. I, because I thought about saying something. I'm like, oh, seems like a perfect chance for what, what do you mean? Because he won't know, like, I know, like, it's really open the door.

Like, oh, what do you mean? And then we're going to hear his, Einstein's logic over here. I was really a little size. That's what I wanted. I wanted part two. Like, what is his rebuttal going to be to this? But, well, because the text on the thing that I put to had said something,

love this variation because it's both awesome accessory for leg extensions and leg curls. So I was hoping he was going to like lean into leg extensions, leg curls or something. Be like, Just wanted to see the comment. Wouldn't that be the dream? Comes out of nowhere to defend leg extensions of leg girls.

And then if you said the word felt load in there too, oh, man. Alexa, say felt load. Okay. You know what makes me think we used to be a proper freaking country? What? Have you seen these pizza hot? Huts. Have you seen these pizza huts going around?

So there's a, I mean, you were a kid in the 90s, right? I was, in fact, a child during the 90s. Yes, I was. Do you remember the 90s well? Because I do. I think I remember it probably about as well as anyone else was. That was a child during the 90s. I think, first of all, I think everything about the 90s makes me think that we used to be

a proper country. I know. There's almost nothing good or bad about the 90s that doesn't make me think we used to be a proper country, even the terrible. things just reminded me of a time when we were very proper. It's just a simpler time, wasn't it? Yes. Yeah, it really was the 90s.

But so Pizza Hut's one of those things. Did Milbank have a pizza hut? Oh, you know it did. Does it still have a pizza hut? Of course it does. What is the Pizza Hut like there now? Is it the same Pizza Hut? Does it still look like a pizza hut?

It's the same building that has the little Pizza Hut roof that, you know, they don't do anymore. It does have that. But I haven't been in it. in a very long time. So how many years? Oh, I mean, probably since high school. So, yeah, probably like close to 20 years. Would you guys go there in high school and like get the pizza buffet?

Do you know anything like that? No, not a ton. I mean, we'd order pizza. We didn't go in there a ton. But we would occasionally because they had the, they had the, what the hell was the arcade? It was like a truck, a dirt truck racing. Dirt truck racing

Okay I'm just I got a MX unleashed I got no no no like you're in a truck it's Like where you sit inside of a thing No no no no no you're not sitting there was like a wheel you stood at it Okay um god I wish I knew because golden T golf No I feel like it had a guy's name on it actually Duke Newcomb no oh it's this it's off road

super off road. That's what it is. It has multiple wheels. Super off road arcade. I just found it here. Yes. Yeah, you kind of have like an above view of the track and you just sort of, the camera doesn't move or anything.

It had super off road and I don't know if they had anything else or not. I just remember that one for sure. And yeah, you eat pizza there and in all the 90s glory of a 90s pizza. Pizza just hit different back then too. Oh, hell yeah. I remember when they came out with Stuff Crest Pizza and it was like, Oh, my God. I've ever seen the commercials for that on TV.

They just like revolutionized pizza. They can do it all. Okay, have I talked about this on the podcast before? What our Pizza Hutts kind of claim to fame was, is it was like one of the only ones that had this, the special white sauce. Did your Pizza Hutts ever have the white sauce for the breadsticks? I'm as straight as they come,

but I love a special white sauce. Exactly. And we had it. And none of them like that. Your Pizza Hut had a special claim to fit, like people, there was a people knew it because you'd go to other towns and the pizza huts didn't have that they didn't have the white sauce. I wonder if the franchise was allowing such things or if they did that like

just some guy was cooking it up in the back. I don't want to know how he was making the special mill bank white sauce at Pizza Hut in the back. I gotta look this up pizza hut white sauce. Yeah, what the hell is this? It's like a garlic like alfredo. It sounds good. So are you saying it was a breadstick dipping sauce though? Yeah, smooth the garlic alfredo for dipping your breadsticks in. Yeah. I see, yeah,

here there's a Reddit thread from eight years ago on the Pizza Hut. It says back in the 90s, I used to love the white dipping sauce my local Pizza Hut had.

What's he say? Was this just a local thing? Someone else. Oh my God, I remember this too. I grew up in northern Iowa and we had this sauce. Same,

this person, same here. I grew up in eastern Iowa. We had it until 2004. He knows. I grew up in northern Minnesota and we had the white sauce until the early

2000s. Add Millbank, South Dakota, that list. Northeast South Dakota also had the special white sauce. Let it be known. How good are Pizza Hut breadsticks, though? That's, I haven't had them in so long. I'd really actually like to try them again, because I couldn't even tell you the last time I had them.

I haven't had it for a long time either, but they're freaking good. I think they would hold up. A fresh pizza breadstick is really good. Nothing quite else like it. Nobody does, Brett. Nobody pizzas out pizzas the hut. But what I was going to say is we talked about this offline.

I think there's... Yeah, we had a point here, didn't we? Yeah, someone was going around and buying up old pizza huts across, I don't know what states mostly buying them up and then remodeling them to look like 90s pizza huts where it's got, you know, the lampshades. Yeah, a little charm, actually, little character. The red cups, the icon. onic big red cups that most I think the I think the cups might have made pizza pizza if I'm really thinking about it.

It's certainly added to the to the ambiance of it. What was more important? The cups are like the lampshades above the table or the red and white tablecloth. Checkerboard tablecloth. Yeah. That's like that slippery material on top that if you spill on it, it'll just like run right off. Yeah. Oh, okay.

So it says there are, according to this article, there are 27 states with Pizza Hut classic restaurants. Let's just check the area here. Iowa. Where's the closest one to us? Well, to me, they have a classic in Sioux Center and Storm Lake, which are not super far away. Let's see, South Dakota. Minnesota has, okay, Morris in a little ways. I would absolutely go to a Pizza Hut classic.

Pizza classic, South Dakota, the one and only? Millbank, South Dakota. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. So who's deciding this? I don't know. Where is this coming from?

Yeah. Yeah, a retrofine dining experience. What is this dated? Yeah, May 26. So this is like two weeks ago. Okay. So they really did make the cut. Yeah, a retro fine dining experience.

Iconic red cups, checker tablecloths, vinyl booths, and Tiffany style lamps and the red roofs. I'm wondering in Millbank's case if it ever changed. That might be the thing. They just waited it out long enough. And now it's retro and cool. There's a like a 20-year stretch there in the 2000s. We're like,

this Pizza Hut really needs a facel. Someone's got to do something with this. They're like, oh, we weathered the storm. We're back on the menu, boys. We're staying here with our white sauce and it panned out for them. Now people are like, oh, we've got to go to Milbank to the retro pizza. It says, oh, it says they're also bringing back the bucket program.

so that that's too okay what that would actually be the question what's most iconic the bucket program or the cups and i'm like the bucket program makes a strong we didn't go out to eat a ton when i was a kid and i mean granted we didn't have much for options locally either but uh you know the bucket program that got you in there you got your personal pan once that was done so that was i have memories your parents live in millbank do you how often how many times per year what's the over under on times that they go to pizza oh like zero they don't eat out actually when they go eat out they go to the bar where their friends are. You know, they do that.

They do not go. There's like three fast food restaurants. They don't get food from those places. And Taco Johns. They don't go to any of them. They never go to those. They don't do it. What? Hardee's Pizza Hut subway and Taco Johns.

Yep. Yeah, they don't go to those. They don't do it. Hardies is the one surprising out of that mix to me almost. In what way, though? Just that if you were like, yep, what restaurants are you going to be in a modern, Forever. I don't know.

South Dakota. And I'm like, yeah. Subway, of course, absolutely. Taco John's 100%. Yes. Like, no doubt about that.

Pizza, I'd be like, yeah, I'd be like, oh, I'd be like, oh, the pizza's still holding on there,

huh? Okay, yep. And then if you said Hardies, I'd be like, that's not the one I would guess.

It was always there. It's always been there. It's always been there. So I don't know what the, yeah. I'm always been more of a Carl's Jr. Ever since you had

that ketchup burrito burrito. in California. Yuck. Yuck. You do not bring that up again. I do not want to think about that ever again. So much ketchup.

It was like a breakfast sandwich covered in ketchup. And I'm like, I don't really want any ketchup. I'm not a big catch. I like ketchup. I'm not a ketchup on my breakfast. No, I don't really care.

Except for hash browns. Maybe that's an exception to me. Yeah. I remember like, I'm like, God, there's a lot of ketchup on this thing. And you said it like three more times. And it was just smothered in ketchup. Everything tasted of ketchup.

And I'm like, this is gross. Where was that at? Carl Carl's, Jr. Wasn't that kind of a shitty, shitty little hearties area too? It was. It was just like, yeah, it wasn't super nice. We've gone to some shitty fast food areas before when we're in a pinch where you just got to get something. We're always in a pinch. But it's just sometimes we get luckier than others.

Sometimes we end up in the shadiest of areas, it seems like. Which we're not even far off the main road. Like we're kind of on the main road. There's still shitty spots. What was that? Was that like a five guys where we went to where I'm like, yeah, we could literally see. That's got to be the shittiest five guys location in the United States. Oh, right between, I mean, was it in Connecticut or on our way to Connecticut?

And it was right off the interstate. I mean, the exit was right there. And the, we saw the, lady buying drugs from the guy next to the dumpster. I watched the whole thing take place. I'm like, this is just broad daylight. And there was about 12 people just smoking weed outside the front door eating their sandwiches the whole time we're sitting there. It was just blowing in the restaurant the whole time. They had the courtesy to go outside so they could blow it all right back in. But we probably, you know, we didn't talk about your hometown fast food options, though.

The Brentford Legion Club would be the one place you could get food. The one place you could purchase anything in the town of Brentford would have been the Brentford Legion Club. You could go to the post office, the fire department, or the Brentford Legion Club. Also no longer even open. Really? Yeah, if you live in. I mean like the Legion Club, like as in like a Legion actually or they just called it the Legion Club. It was a Legion because I was a member of the Brentford Legion, as a matter of fact, not that long ago.

But the bar restaurant owner leased space from the Legion. So it was a privately run bar that was in the Legion. So the Legion also met there. Okay. But it moved the Legion for there to be an active bar there because there was a reason then to keep the building. like maintained and not a complete dump and stuff like that. But it's no longer open. The city owns it.

And they have like when Santa comes, the, you know, five or six of my buddies that are all kind of about my age. They'll like clean it up just enough to go in there and, you know, do stuff with it. But it's kind of a depressing shell of what it used to be because it was like a cool place. It was a place that everyone went for exciting stuff. Yeah, and now it's kind of like, yeah, this place is like kind of just is like a, it's like going to the mall in Aberdeen now. That's a really great example, honestly, where I'm like, oh, yeah, this place is depressing. How far we've fallen from what we used to be a proper friggin' country. Yes.

So pizza huts and the red cups really make you think, what, is there anything that makes you think we used to be more of a proper country than that place? Not really, no. That's probably the pinnacle. That seems like the most iconic 90s restaurant is Pizza Hut. Yeah, I mean, there might be more in your specific region, but as far as cross-country coverage, Pizza Hut had it down pretty good. Right.

What's like, what feels, I don't know if there's a eating franchise that feels more 1990s than Pizza Hut. You could argue a McDonald's playplace. Yes. Yes. Taking those from us too, haven't they? They did take those from us. They actually straight up.

Along with the cashiers, affordable food, food that tastes edible. They took it all from us. I should be kind of careful how much crap I'm talking about McDonald's. Because they're paying part of the bills in this household now. What? We have a McDonald's employee under our,

oh my God. Does he service the touchscreens when they break? We got to be careful. Who's listening about when I'm, if I'm bad mouth of McDonald's around here because Jack is one of the, is possibly Western Northeast South Dakota's newest McDonald's employee. Oh my God. Okay.

That Ford freestyle isn't going to pay for itself. Believe it or not, there's not that many plate like places that will hire someone. that's like like places that are like because i what we're after is kind of here the experience of going to a job like not working for your whatever you know yeah like we got a plenty of stuff like that that he can do and has done but like no we want you to have a job or you go like punch it you know really feel what getting beat to death feels like one slow minute at a time really know what really understand when people say the man what we mean here.

But there's, it's, it's tough when you're 14. Like there's not very many places like that that hire actually. So at McDonald's Twist Cone. It's probably, probably don't have a whole lot of options outside of that. Ken's fair food. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yep, grocery store.

And I always rely on the local grocery store. Yeah. So yeah, he actually hasn't started yet, but he starts really soon. He can't make the food, though, until you're 16. You can do things with the food. You can't actually be the cooker of the food. Like he can't, I don't know. Cooking the food is a weird word.

So you're not qualified to run a microwave yet. Well, that's why I'm like, I don't know. We let him do it at home. Trust me, he's ran a microwave before. He's going to be okay. He'll be just fine. You can let him cook the food. Throw your most complicated dish at him.

I think he's got it. Let's see what you got here. Maril Agassi. Yeah. He's been making chicken nuggets in the microwave since he's fine. I think he'll be okay. I guess, you know, give him a little lesson when a fish season comes around, but until then, he's good.

Yeah. The filetal fish. You're going to have a lot. He doesn't have a lot of experience with the Friday filial fish. You're going to need a little bit of a baptism on that one. A refresher course there wouldn't hurt, but he'll figure it out. Yeah. Yeah, so that's McDonald's.

I'm stoked about all the free food. I assume I'm going to get. So I, although I don't like eating McDonald's. Just be swimming in it, large fries. It'll be like the supersized documentary over there. I'm going to go on the CT Fletcher diet. I'd be like C.T. Fletcher over here. He should be cracking the sidewalk, walking around,

eating all this, eating all those Big Macs every day. Stay tuned on more. But yeah, to what you said, the play set, the McDonald's play set. What was that playland? Yeah, I think so. Did you know we're down to McDonald's in western northeast South Dakota? Yeah, got to demolish that sucker. It's also wild.

That much money pumps through McDonald's at their like, you know what? Blow it up, we're starting over. Yeah. The useful, nothing left to depreciate on this McDonald's started over. build a new box. We're putting new microwaves in this sucker. Eight more touch screens and we'll be back in business. It takes a really long time to order on those screens.

If you're ordering for like your whole family. I hate it. It takes, I might just not be efficient at it, but if I'm going and I'm taking like, say it's, I got me and three kids. If I order for all three of them on that thing, it takes a lot. It takes so long. Okay. I'm like,

it takes so long to do that. I've kind of just put my foot. I don't even go into those places. I don't do it. But every once in a time we get into pinch and like Taco Bell. Okay, I go in there and it just asks you, wait.

I mean, the division of the things doesn't make any sense to me in the first place. And then it asks you way too many things about the sides and the extras. And it's like, no, I just liked that one that was like the number five. And like I don't have a number five button and we're just done. Like it's asking, do you want extra of this?

And this is like, no, just make the thing like it always is. And I'll just say the thing. But no, you can't do that. And it's, ah, it drives me insane. Yes. You know what the best part about Garrett's wedding was? What? The reception in hotel was about 20 steps away from a Taco Bell.

So eight. Chicken casadios? You know it. ate at the reception, of course, and we're getting done. I had spotted this Taco Bell long ago. And I was like, there's no way I'm not going to this Taco Bell before I go to bed that night. So we, once we were done at the reception, I'm like, well, we're going to Taco Bell, obviously right? And my wife's like, yep, let's go.

And so we go to Taco Bell, get it there, take it back to the hotel room. Nice chicken, cassidia Taco Bell nightcap. Was there chicken and cheese in this one? There was so much more chicken than in that awful one. Where was that at? In Indiana on the way to French Lake that had no chicken. How do you remember all the, I can't remember any, like I remember the experience, but I can't, like when you said that was in Connecticut,

I could have guessed any state. I probably would have guessed Connecticut in a million years. I typically when a story happens, I typically have a pretty good picture of when it takes place. And also with the ketchup and the thing at Carle Jr. in California, I typically remember these things because the story's there, and it's usually just insulting how bad they mess these things up, because it's not hard.

Didn't we both get that cassidia, too? Or was it just me? I think just you, but yours had no chicken and almost no cheese. It was basically a shell. It was just two shells pressed together. Just two shells, and it took them so long. And it was like midnight. You know, we're trying to get to French lick.

It was very late. Right. Why was it so late getting to French? Like that was just the schedule or? Yeah, our flights, yeah, we didn't land in, uh, did we land in Louisville? Yeah, we landed in Louisville. Yeah, then we had to rent a car and then we had to rent a car. Like, I think by the time we landed it, it was basically dark because remember we had to fly to Denver first to then go back to Louisville.

So it was quite the travel day. Yes. Okay. Uh, do we have a radar report this week at all? know we do actually we do okay um i actually have several i've just spent so much time jim raider guys i love what they're doing over there i spend so much time on the website and i just start looking at these things i start thinking about them and i having these little insights i've made a list of radar reports but we're only going to do one this

week i have one two three four five i have like seven things on this list but we're just going to do So I guess that can keep people tuned in, give them a reason to check back in in future weeks here. And I'm going to talk about a little thing this week. Have you heard about this piece of equipment called the quad send? Oh, oh yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? There it is. This week, I'm talking the quad send.

But I'm not talking specifically about the piece of equipment. The quad send is just the example for what I'm. want to discuss. And that is, okay, I should explain the QuadSin for people that don't know. The QuadSend is from Temple of Gaines. Temple of Gaines is a relatively new company in the space.

They make, you could say, home gym, slightly more budget-friendly versions of commercial pieces of equipment. But what makes the Quad-Send unique is that it is their first, I believe it's their first from the ground-up original design. And it is a large machine, and it's $4,200 in case you don't know. So this is a leg press hack squat combo unit, $4,200.

And this thing has some hype around it. But in case you were like wondering, like, oh, okay, it's a leg press hack squat. This thing is 99 inches long and 56 inches doll. It's a beefy boy. It's also. And it can hook right up to the, you can hook a Volt. It's got a Voltra up to it. Yeah, like it was designed with some of these more modern.

trends in mind. And, but it's big. It's big. It's expensive. It's definitely not for most home gym owners, uh, which makes it a pretty specialized piece. And I'm saying all these things and you're thinking like,

okay, so it just came out. They did a kick starter to get this thing. Oh, there's a whole story with it. It was hyped up in home gym con. I think last year. Um, but with all those things being said, uh,

it finally came out like in the last month. And is a very particular piece. you go on gym radar, you say, hey, what's Jim Radar have to say about this? Well, Jim Radar, 11 gyms on Jim Radar own this thing already. And it feels like such a niche piece to exist. But on Jim Radar, there's 11 of them. And there also happens to be four reviews for it already on Jim Radar. And all four of the reviews are pretty well written and in depth. And all four, one, two, three, four also have a photo so you can see what it looks like in that space. And you're saying, okay, Tommy, like, yeah, you, you have a piece of equipment and there's reviews on it, but what's,

why is this a talking point? Well, for comparison, the Temple of Gaines website has two reviews on this thing. And those two reviews have, ah, they have two photos. Okay, so they have two reviews and two photos. But we have four reviews and four photos, so we're doubling it. I mean, I think this is proven. When people want to review something, those in the know, They're going to Jim Radar to do it. The people that reviewed it on Temple of Gaines websites, Debbie and Steve, Debbie and Steve,

I'm just going to assume those are real names. Pretty generic, but I'm going to assume those are real names. Debbie and Steve did not leave reviews on Jim Radar. It's completely different people here. And I don't know. There might be something to what these Jim Radar guys are doing in capturing the data and the information about these here gym pieces of equipment.

Also on Temple of Gaines, you can go see what Debbie and Steve said, and then they're like, well, okay, that's the end of that. On gym radar, you can see the four people that left reviews. You can go to their gyms, see what it looks like in their gym. You can actually go to see all 11 gyms that have it. Check out those gyms and see if they have updated pictures with the QuadSend, which a lot of them do.

And you can actually comment on any of those 11 people's gyms or one of the ones that left a review, and you could say, hey, I noticed you said this in your review. What do you have to say about that? Hey, I'm thinking about getting the quad send. Here's my question for you. You look like just an actual dude like me that purchases with their own money. You're not a reviewer by trade.

You're a home gym owner just like me. Do you think I should get the quad send? Or I need it to fit in this spot. Would it work? Or you see Josh. You say. Do you, is the Voltra enough? Like, do I also need the plate pins sticking out the side?

Or could I get away with just the Voltra? Yeah, or you see Josh's photo and you go, oh, I like the Temple of Gaines QuadSend and the way it complements the Toyota Supra in your garage. Like, oh, this is so cool. So it gives you a starting point to have conversations with these people because the social handles are right there. Yes. I'm telling you, man, it's the future.

Whatever they got going on over there, this is the future. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I mean, the proof is in the pudding, as Bill Cosby would say. Maybe we won't use that reference. Cut that out in both. You know, let's scratch that.

No Bill Cosby quotes in this one. Okay, great. We got to cut out the Bill Cosby quotes again. Damn it. Every week. Actually, you know, okay, even on the thing of talking about newer pieces of equipment, that freak athlete, adjustable kettlebell, you know, that hasn't been out super long either.

There's 15 gyms that have that. There's not as many reviews there. There's only two, actually, there's actually only two reviews on that thing. But even there, like, that's a relatively new pieces of equipment, too. And there's 15 gyms on Jim Radar that have this thing. And you can see it in their space right on the site. Yeah. We're cooking up some interesting updates for Jim Radar that maybe we'll be able to talk about it by,

we'll be able to talk about it sometime this month. We just want to kind of have it finished before, uh, before we chat it up too much. But as far as the usefulness of Jim, Rader as a tool for researching equipment and comparing equipment. It's getting, you already thought it was awesome. We already thought these people at Jim Rader are just whipping the llama's ass. Well, with this most recent update, I honestly think from when you think about it as a tool,

you know, because it's a few things. One of the things is like a community thing. We could check out everyone's gym and stuff like that. But as a tool for researching and comparing equipment, what we're doing working on right now, it's really cool like what we have done of it. It is. It's so, like I just personally love it.

Yeah, I personally use it all the time. I'm not really trying to buy anything right now. And I'm looking at it all the time because it gives you so many good ideas. And you instantly figure out what's the real deal and what's not. Right. It makes me want to buy, it makes me want to need to buy more things.

Because I'm like, oh, it's so easy now to narrow down the choices. And then like to compare the few choices that I do have it narrowed down. down to it. It just makes the decision process pretty easy, I guess, or just like way more efficient or way, like it makes it fun. I'm like, ah, I just want to compare things this way, you know? I agree. And yeah, so we should have this part of the project done within the next one to three weeks. And then we'll go, we'll probably have a whole episode about it going more in depth. Yeah, that freak athlete adjustable kettlebell is only just behind the rep adjustable and not that far behind

the Iron Master adjustable in terms of ownership. Let's see what someone didn't like about it. Knocked a star or two offer value and quality. I have been interested about that piece. It looks kind of cool. For like $350 bucks, you know, it's not bad. Like, I get it. I mean, I'm not really a kettlebell guy,

but I get it in a home gym scenario that seems like a pretty good option to roll with. Yeah. It still does blow my mind, too, looking at dumbbells that they're all. are a hundred and sixty-seven gyms with the weapons. That is a lot. That is a lot.

Just no, no dumbbell even comes close to that. Yeah, the next best, closest adjustable dumbbell is, so Iron Master, well, power block is split up

because there's so many different versions of power block, I guess, too. And I mean, you added all the power block options together. It would probably come close to the weapons. Yeah, but even there, though,

like it's still a little different because the power block does span a pretty big price point. And there's been a, I mean, you could go on any market in any city type in power block. You're probably going to find a set on marketplace. The weapons don't really exist on marketplace. And the cheapest option is like $900. Like it's not, you know, like it's a premium product. You can buy use power blocks for probably like $200. Oh, all day. Yes, all day. Especially if you're like looking at the lighter options. So that's what's such a, I mean, by all accounts,

the weapons are a premium product in like every way. And people, I mean, people, are just buying those things up. Yeah, that's a good radar report. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? Radar love. Actually just even one more comparison point I've seen here. Because on the website, one, two, three, four, five,

the weapons are the seventh most owned product on the website. And when you take Massanomics products out of it, they're actually the one, two, three, they're the fourth most own product on the website. And ahead of them, the refins are in 167 gyms, the blue fat grips are in 172. So there's only five more people that have the cheap like $20 blue fat grips than would have all of the repins. Yeah. That's market.

That's market. That's such an easy thing to add to your gym that doesn't cost anything. Yeah, the only thing is beating in are horse saw mats, wall control, and fat grips. Which you could argue none of those are really gym equipment to a certain extent. Right. Yeah, just shows how impressive it is. Yeah, it is like the number one thing that you'd convention, like that's one of the cornerstone pieces of gym equipment.

And it's been around, what, a year and a half-ish? Hasn't been two years yet either. Right. Yeah, that's wild. All right. We've got some things coming up. The Lift Hardly Vee Classic isn't far out, So we're gear behind the scenes, we're gearing up big time for the Lift Hardly Veezy Classic.

It's July, I think like 17th and 18th here in western northeast South Dakota. So even if you're not competing, if you want to make the trip in to just have a heck of a weekend, you know where to find us. Western Northeast, South Dakota, 17th and 18th to July. It's going to be a heck of a party. You know, it also isn't far out either. Home JimCon. Yeah.

Right around the corner with that. I feel like we don't have that quite as well planned out. No, we've talked about it essentially zero so far. So it's... We have a way to get there and somewhere to stay. Yes, I had to think about that for a second, but yes, we do. And that's about the extent of it for right now. Just terrible timing.

It's not for a lack of caring. No. It's more of just at the absolute limit of what's humanly possible. Out of 52 weeks of the year, it's on maybe the third worst possible week. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it could be the week before after the meet or the week before after the Arnold.

And that's... It'd be better if it was the week before or after the Arnold. Actually, yeah, because we just fly to the Arnold now, so it doesn't even matter. Right, it's just two, three-day weekends. This is really like probably... I mean, it would be worse if it was the same exact weekend as the Left Hard of the Easy Classic.

the week before would also be. Or the week before. Yeah. I would prefer it to be two weeks after than the week before the lift hardly easy. But yeah, that would almost make it so that we couldn't go. So I think we're at like the fourth worst possible weekend of the year. Out of 52. Out of 52.

If it was in any of the other like 47, it would be better. Well, there's always next year. It's moved a lot. So there's always a chance it could be different next year. I don't think it's going to be better. Probably not. from what I've seen. Yeah, you're probably right.

I think it's going to be more of the same. But that won't stop us, hopefully, from making it work. No, we're going to be at home gymcon. You're going to find us there. Actually, we're probably going to, for all of the supporting members that are going to be at home, JimCon, which I'm estimating it at 100 of them, we're going to have to. Oh, I think you're being a little low on that estimate right there. I'm estimating at 7,000 supporting members.

that's more like it. What we need to do is we're going to set a specific time. Maybe we'll do it one each. We'll do one on Friday and one on Saturday. I know. I know. Okay, here's an idea. Okay.

Just try to follow. You've probably never heard of this concept before, so just try to follow me. Okay. Going to do 21 beer salute at noon. High noon. 21 beer salute. We're going to need to get a power cage and stand on the top of it. Fire!

Fire! A completely original idea we just had. Yeah, that is our idea. I'm sure someone will try to rip it off. I haven't seen that right now. It's never been done before. So if anyone else ever does it, they heard it here. But we're sorry to do that because we are going to have our booth

and it's right next to the Jim Radar guy's booth and maybe we'll collab with them. And I think one time on, at one on the hour mark on Friday and one hour in the hour mark on Saturday, we'll tell it. That's when we want everyone to come the table and meet. And we'll get like a group picture. Yeah, that'd be really cool.

Do throw $100 bills into the crowd, just something crazy. Yes, like, yes, $100 bills. We will give away a pair of really expensive lift shorts. There we go. Tanner will turn around and throw it over his head and whoever catches it gets to be like the bouquet. It's like the Massonomics bouquet. And they will be used lift shorts.

It'll be very, it'll be the ones he used to set up the booth. They'll be very used, well used. You even say heavily soiled, maybe. They've been pooped in. There's poop in the shorts. But you will get to keep that. That'll be yours to keep.

There's fecal matter in the shorts. But we will do something like that. I never thought of that. It's a good idea. We need to do that. Are we going to do that cool giveaway that, you know, like where we said. Yeah, I got that on my list here too. Yeah.

But yeah, we probably should get going on that because there are deadlines. Yeah, that's a good idea, though. I think we got some cool stuff coming for that. Home JimCon is next week's problem. We've had that. That is the next week. We got a lot. We've got to get done next week for that.

Yeah. I'm really excited about the Lift Hardly of Easy merch. Did we talk about that on the podcast? That might have been in the pre-show, I think. Yeah. But there's some good stuff. The merchandise we have coming for the Lift Hardly of Easy Classic, which is mostly done.

or, you know, most of it is all ordered and stuff. It's pretty freaking sweet. We have a sweet lineup this year's stuff. So if you're coming, there's going to be some really cool stuff that you might want to get your hands on. Yeah. It's pretty badass. We got a ton of it coming too, and I still'm like,

I don't know, maybe it's not enough stuff. Well, we're also ordering a ton of stuff for home, kind of a lot of stuff for Home JimCon too. So, yeah. Between the two, maybe we'll have some merch left over, maybe. I hope not. Actually, I agree. Hopefully, no.

Hopefully it's all gone. Everyone should leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts. I feel like that's been a little bit lacking lately. And I just blame us for not telling you to leave a five-star review. Like, that's really on us, I think, at this point. So go leave a five-star review on Apple Podcast if you haven't already. I actually really don't know if that matters. Do you think that that matters for anything at all?

At this point, you know what? Okay, you're just pulling me back in here. You're pulling me back in. You know, there's this, there's this thought going around that even an influencer doesn't even matter anymore because they don't even want to show you accounts. You know, they're just, they're just only all these things. What does Instagram want to do? They just want to show you whatever piece of content they think is viral. They don't care what, you know, before things were kind of weighted by bigger accounts, that bigger reach.

Right. But now you're starting to find big accounts have actually zero reach because they've, not because it never worked, but because the rules have changed where, what they've done doesn't work. Unless it is the piece of content the algorithm is looking for, there's no reach.

It has no reach. And the followers are meaningless. And actually that's the other one. Followers are now meaningless. The follower account doesn't mean anything. It means nothing. Like you'll find, I mean,

we frequently have massonomics posts that'll get nothing and our personal accounts can get way more. And that makes no sense at all. The only thing that, it matters for as if you're having any business dealings with people and some people still think that follower account matters that has now become just a like it doesn't actually matter and it shouldn't but like in the last year in the last year though that metric has now means nothing so so follower count means nothing uh just the i don't know past engagement means absolutely nothing the only thing that matters

is are you making the piece of content the algorithm wants right now that is the only thing That seems to have been the TikTok formula that has gotten like adopted across all all platforms basically at this time. I'd say it is somewhat similar for YouTube even. Yeah. It's like, oh, no, you follow this and you want to see it. Well, actually, you know what? We're not even going to let you see it. Unless you actually type it in to find it, we decide exactly what you want to see,

which is just wild that that's how it works now. But that is the way it goes. It's not the gym radar feed. You go over to Jim Radar. It's chronological. When you go to my radar and gym radar, you see... You're in control. There's no AI data center deciding what to show you there.

Us and AI Nate, AI Nate isn't, he doesn't, it didn't put his special algorithm into the sauce there. God, I hope not. Prevent you from seeing the gym radar content you deserve. Just giving it to your raw, uncut and unfiltered. Yeah. Okay. Um, massonomics.com

slash join, become a supporting member. Check out our merchandise on our store. YouTube video. What last week's was Huck Finn Barbell tour. Yep. Love that one. I thought it was a blast, a hilarious,

all the Chicago jokes. All the kind of jokes is from Chicago. Just love all the comments about Benchette the Bean and him being Chicago's biggest influencer. So good. Just so funny. This week's one coming out is big Antonio, correct?

Yep. Yeah. I haven't seen it yet, so I'm excited to watch that one. It's got to see how that comes out. Pretty wild collection of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, there's another Chicago influencer. Chicago's second biggest influencer.

By way of Racine. Or no. Or was he in Racine? Or was that? That was the one before it in the morning. Yeah. God, I'm blinking on names too. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, that's bothering me. I know. My brains is broken. It's too late. His Instagram candles, like, starts with the W, and it's like war gobs or those aren't the right quite, it's like those letters. All right. It's, uh, just because you can't leave him hanging now.

Yeah. Zach, we needy hut fitness. Yeah, there we go. We need hot fitness. Yes, duh. Yeah. God. Okay.

Yes. All right. Tommy, where do they find you at? You can find me at Tom Hawk underscore D. You can follow me. You can find me benching at the bean or whipping shitties in the dean. And you can follow me at Tanner underscore Bear. Just make sure to follow Massonomics at Massonomics.

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